Slightly mental question about dollar bills

why isn't it novus ordo?

http://fly.hiwaay.net/~crispen/rants/secrets.html

"HEAVY METAL POISONING" Styx, Kilroy Was Here

RUMOR: A red sticker on the Kilroy Was Here album cover warns, "By order of the Majority for Musical Morality, this album contains secret backward messages...."

FINDINGS: This is a case of second-generation backward-masking. Styx' Paradise Theater did not contain a backward message, though a lot of people said it did. So Styx has included a sure enough backward message on Kilroy Was Here. It is at the beginning of "Heavy Metal Poisoning". The reversed speech lasts about three seconds. There is no musical background. The words reverse to "Annuit Coeptis. Novus ordo seclorum." This is the Latin motto encircling the pyramid on the back of a dollar bill. The usual translation: "God has favored our undertakings. A new order of the ages."

I remember hearing a recording of the backwards message on a radio show when I was little. Pretty freaky, in an Exorcist kind of way...

-- Queen G -That is one of my favorite books of all time, besides confederacy of dunces, of course, but it goes into some crazy detail about those two things for sure. -H

That's just a quick overview...there's a hell of a lot more involved but I won't bore with ALL of the details.

B

Ever hear of the Knights of Malta, the Knights Templar, the Rosicrucians, or the Egyptian cult of the all seeing eye?

So many clubs to join, so little time!

That daniel dude must be part of the illuminati or somethin.

Yeah. It's just me and Nas these days...

This order had the purpose of destroying social inequality and that's why it has very soon been linked with the freemasons : both this organizations were at this time concerned in revolution, because they were formed by rich but not noble people who were trying to take the power.

Mirabeau, french man who played a great rule during french revolution, was for example and for sure both freemason and illuminati. It seems that they also played a rule during american revolution as the "Novo ordo seclorum", bad spelled, seems to demonstrate it. But no really evidence exists about the link between men who did the american revolution and Illuminati, but maybe for Lafayette, again a french guy who paticipated to the french revolution.

There is, as I said, no surprise that such men were part of the revolutionaries, because the principles of both this organisations were lying on the recovery of the power by the people. But after this brilliant beginning, it seems that the ideals of Illuminati turned to be much more evil and that they pretend and tried to take power for themselves. This order was, from the beginning, formed by rich people...

That they could have been much more concerned by their own power than by the democracy is certainly relevant in the story... But the lineage between the first Illuminati and what they could be today is very difficult to follow, as it is, like freemasons, a secret order.
Anyway, the possibility of a today's conspiracy, based on this beginning, may be... but surely that few people among the many who are conspirating claim (secretly!) to be Illuminated !

No ?;-()

In the Great Seal of the United States, as pictured on the back of the one dollar bill, is an eagle whose right wing has 32 feathers, the number of ordinary degrees in Scottish Rite Freemasonry. The left wing has 33 feathers, the additional feather corresponding to the Thirty-Third Degree of the Scottish Rite conferred for outstanding Masonic service. The 9 feathers in the tail correspond to the nine degrees in the York Rite.

The eagle is a symbol of St. John the Evangelist, the great patron of Freemasonry. The arrows in its left talon refer to King David, a man of many wars and of much bloodshed. The olive branch in its right talon, the peaceful reign of Solomon who built the temple at Jerusalem. The 13 stars above the eagle’s head represent Jacob and his 12 sons or tribes of Israel and form the star of David which reminds a Masons of King David’s dream of building a temple which his son King Solomon finally realized. The 13 stars, in double triangular form and one in the center, are symbolical of the delivery of the children of Israel from their oppressors and their attainment to a glorious freedom. The latin inscription “E Pluribus Unum” (one composed of many) indicates brotherhood to the Masonic fraternity.

The unfinished pyramid showing two sides of thirteen layers is entirely Masonic. At the top of the pyramid inside a radiant triangle is the all-seeing eye of Providence that indicates that the Grand Architect (the Masonic term for God) is omnisciently and providentially watching mankind. The pyramid is Egyptian in origin and form, and a free interpretation of its symbolism reads: As the Israelites were delivered from bondage in the land of the Pharaohs and the pyramids of Egypt, so we are now free in our own country, and hereafter we will build for ourselves.

"In God We Trust” first appeared on U.S. coins after 1864 when Congress passed an Act authorizing the coinage of a two-cent piece bearing this motto. It was first printed on the one dollar bill in 1957 in compliance with an act of July 11, 1953 requiring that the motto be placed on all coins and currency as new dies were adopted. In 1856 the 84th Congress decreed “In God We Trust” to be the national motto of the United States replacing “E Pluribus Unum.” Since 1963 all denominations of money come inscribed with “In God We Trust.” The motto “In God We Trust” is truly Masonic. Every candidate on his initiation is required to declare that his trust is in God. He who denies the existence of a Supreme Being is debarred from privilege of initiation, for atheism is a disqualification for Masonry.

The United States Treasury Seal with its balance scale, key, and chevron is a distinguishing feature of American currency. It has appeared on every piece of paper money since 1862. The Treasury Seal, one might say, is the final stamp of approval that insures the legality of the currency. Combined with the expressed authority of the government and two signatures, it notarizes the contract, so to speak, made between the United States and the holders of its currency.

At the top of the Treasury Seal is a balance scale. Among the ancients a balance, or pair of scales , was a well-known recognized symbol of justice and fair dealing. This symbol is also recognized by Masonry in the degree of Prince of Jerusalem, the 16th degree in the Scottish Rite.

The Seal used on the first one dollar bill in 1862 had a Mason’s set square not a chevron. Until 1893 two treasury Seals were used, one with the Mason’s square and another with a chevron. Between the years 1893 and 1968 a Treasury Seal with only the Mason’s square was exclusively used. In 1968 the Masonic square was discontinued and afterwards only a chevron has been depicted between the scale and key.

The Treasurer is an officer found in all Masonic bodies whose duty it is to take charge of the funds and pay them out under proper regulations. He is simply the banker of the Lodge or Chapter and has nothing to do with the collection of money which should be made by the Secretary. The Treasurer’s jewel (symbolic of Masonic office) is a key as a symbol that he controls the money chest of the Masonic Lodge.

just kind of a history of the symbolism on the dollar bill from the masonic point of view.

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There's one more bit of mystery about teh great seal. the MDCCLXXVI, which is just roman numerals for 1776, may have other menaings as well. Some say that 1776 was also the year Adam Weishaupt founded the illuminati on May 1st. However, since this would have been a secret society, it seems like a lot of speculation.

Also if you arrange each of the Roman numerals around the pyramid, and add up the base line, the numbers add up to 666, the numebr of the beast in the bible book revelations, a source of many conspiracy theories. But the chapter of revelations in which the Beast and the number 666 is mentioned, is chapter 13. the same as the number of stars, and the layers of the pyramid in the great seal. ( and of course the number of the original US states, not to mention a whole host of other religous and historical meanings. )

M(100) C(100) X (10)
/ \ / \ / \
/ \ / \ / \
D + C + L + X + V + I = DCLXVI
500 + 100 + 50 + 10 + 5 + 1 = 666

Less educated christians associate this symbol with satan, demons, or some other devilish nonsense. Some historians equate it with Nero, while I've also read some things relating it to Pagan numerology, around musical notes. It might be the number of "man" where 7 is the perfect number of christ, and the numer of man is the less than perfect number 666. It could also be of "a man" instead of jsut "man", which some say is the last Julian emperor Nero. Anyways, the Beast is basically an anti-christ that rules over the WHOLE WORLD. All nations, languages, people , and tribes. The book of revelation says that the number 666 is used, so that no one may buy or sell thigns unless they bore this symbol. Hmmm.... Interesting that it appears on our dollar bill in a cryptograph. I'm sure that the slave-owning patriarchs that came up with the great seal had a different interpretation of Revelations than modern day, schoalrs and conspiracy nuts.

Anyways, you can read revelations chapter 13 here:
http://www.bible.org/cgi-bin/netbible.pl?header=on&book=rev&chapter=13#note_55

he's saying, if you arrange the roman numerals of 1776, around the pyramid, you get a line, along the bottom, that adds up to 666 and the ones on the other sides and top are 1000, 100 and 10.

xpost: also - THE PENTAGON!! Dude how BRAZEN are they??

Well, I guess it all does seem a bit far-fetched. But just remember, Ronald Reagan timed almost every important event in his presidency based on the advice of an astrologer.

Best googler misspelling ever!

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2112-1776 = 336!

It's a somewhat new theory, still working out the details...

Yeah. Right.

Essex Templars

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It is clear there are forces of both good and evil, as well as, symbolisms that represent each, which are more than obviously at work in the world, deny it if you must! But, there are essentially two kinds of people. Those who are truthful, honest, and good, and then there are those who will lie to you, and deceive you. If you support the notion they are wholesome, benevolent and good, they will even promote you, and, or, your business, usually through favoritism and corruption. So long as ....... it furthers their master plan, everybody wins. Well, all except for you and I. They are greedy and usually only involve themselves for personal gain. Whether it be power, lust, pecuniary, or monetary gain, they are in anything they do, only for personal gain. They claim it is because they are enlightend, or illuminated. The latter of these two is clearly represented by a specific group, known as government. The group who "pretended" they founded government were predominately the freemasons ie; george washington, etc.. They through their secret society and secret symbolisms hope to enslave the average and lesser educated persons in society. Since the addition of the web pages outlining the symbolisms of washington dc and freemasonry. I have witnessed several websites that have only recently cropped up, which profess to lay to rest the claims of an evil conspiracy and secret pegan, or satanic symbolisms secretly designed, not only into the streets of washington, but, also into various monuments throughout the entire world, and an overall evil master plan. They claim; "There is no conspiracy, these things are all chance happenings, random occurrences" and, that "the boys in the hood" are just a mens club used for rubbing elbows with the elite (which they consider themselves). Why then, is there not a simple grid pattern to the streets of washington dc? Would it not be far simpler to navigate such a pattern? Anyone who has travelled the streets extensively, as I have in washington dc, bears witness to this simple fact. It is a nightmare to navigate the city's layout.

In order that even the youngest reader might know these statements are true. Let us carefully examine the lies, deceit and corruption in just a few of the statements made by these individuals who refer to themselves as "so called" government in the most recent past.

If you believe these things are all a coincidence, which you are completely entitled to do if you choose to, there is nothing more for us to discuss. I suggest you exit this website and go back to fantasyland. Because these are real events, they cost real people their lives, and it won't end until we stand up and make them take notice, that no matter how much propaganda they slam us with, on Fox News, or CNN, whether they claim to be a Demo-publican, or a Republi-crat we're not swallowing the bait. If the story sounds like a wash, then it should be treated as such. Why waste time asking the same questions and receiving the same dodges and side step answers. If you weren't lying, you'd answer directly and not evade the question, or make excuses and offer doubletalk. It's just like pro wrestling ....... It's all fake!

There's an old freemason term for having the wool pulled over your eyes, they call it being "hoodwinked". Well, here is my statement to that "state of affairs," Not a Chance! These people, these deceitful liars and deceivers should be regarded as the laughing stock, no matter how much money they print, no matter how many experts and companion liars money can buy to back them, and their unlikely stories up. We cannot, and must not be afraid to stand up and let them know, no matter what it costs us. nomatter how severe the penalty might be. We don't want a street, a bridge, or a masonic monument named after us. We will not back down, We cannot be bought, not for any price, and we are not going away. My name is Lenny Bruce, and I am not afriad! The truth shall always prevail!

peace be with you

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I want to change my name to Masonic Fraud.

I just came across this thread while looking for something else and i can hardly believe my eyes!! As it happens I am a freemason, I'm WM (Worshipful Master) of my lodge in Ireland.

To the guy who referred to freemasons as " deceitful liars and deceivers should be regarded as the laughing stock"

I think any well informed person freemason or not could just as easily believe that statement was about you. Its obvious that you are not a freemason nor have you any idea what your ranting on about, at least not when it comes to freemasonry and what its all about.

Where did you get your information? I'm willing to bet it was off the internet or in some book. The bottom line about these sources is that if you look hard enough you can find just about anything said about any subject, person or group. THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE, FACT, POSSIBLE OR EVEN RELEVANT. As it happens on the net you don't have to look hard to find all kinds of utter crap. Because of the fact that their are secrets in freemasonry it has long attracted the kind of ridiculous roumours you see above. People are afraid of the unknown so to comfort themselves they make something up, their is an old saying "better the devil you know" no pun intended. Isn't it strange that the same people accusing freemasons of only being involved in anything for profit are the same people writing best sellers about the subject. I wonder do they give their profits to charity.

I have not yet been to a meeting where their was not a charity collection. Freemasons worldwide contribute millions of dollars anually to a huge range of charitys both masonic and more importantly non masonic. In recent years the provincial grand lodge of north munster (This the Provincial Grand Lodge that my lodge operates under) purchased ambulances for a local hospital who was not being adaquetly funded by government. This was done through the hard work dedication and generousity of local freemasons and others giving what they could and in some cases couldn't afford. Before you ask, freemasonry is a non profit orginisation any profits are given to charity. Your next question is probably how do you have such extravagant buildings and meeting places? Again the answer is not as devious as some would have you believe. The money is given by members in the form of membership fee's and donations. We had the good fortune in the last few years to finally move into our new Provincial Grand Lodge. We didn't rob a bank to pay for this new building, infact the bank was robbing us with the interest rates. We are all paying for the building. All the work that went into the allocation of a site the planning, job management and all the other things that are involved in such a project were undertaken by the current and last two Provincial Grandmasters. All of the countless hours they put in over the nearly ten years it took to get from planning to move in day they done of their own free will such was their dedication to something they believe in. I think thats something to be admired not ridiculed by the poorly informed.

Let me make this VERY CLEAR. "Freemasonry is not a secret society it is a society with secrets" The "secrets" are a means of identifying each other otherwise anyone could walk into a lodge and say "Hi I'm a freemason, if you know the REAL secret grips, passwords etc the person you are talking to can confirm you are a freemason. Our meeting places are known, our laws and constitutions are publised and are available to anyone who wants to read them. If you truly believe that freemasons rule the world or are trying to, perhaps you should count yourself lucky. As it is thanks to one of the very ideals of freemasonry "that all men are treated equally" that you are allowed your freedom of speech, if communists ruled the world and you made similar statements about them i have no doubt you would be shot at dawn.

As for the so called favouritisim in business etc... SO WHAT!!! If you were building a house and you needed a builder would you hire somone you didn't know or know anything about? OR would you hire a close personal friend who you knew beyond any doubt you could trust. If both people could do the job to the same standard and at the same price who would you hire? Thats no conspiracy that reality, but its not based on anything but common sense. This kind of thing goes on on every golf course, country club and bar worldwide, most people would rather for a number of reasons give work to a friend when possible.

On another quote taken from above.......

On another quote taken from above.......

"They through their secret society and secret symbolisms hope to enslave the average and lesser educated persons in society"

Give me a break!! Their are people from all walks of life in my lodge from both ends of the scale. From educated and wealthy to the average joe who may not be in any financially blessed. That is a wholely inaccurate statement again i dont know where you get your information but its just wrong. In my lodge alone their is everything from accountants, builders salesmen buisnessmen to bus drivers and even one or two who have fallen on hard times and are not currently employed. All of the brethern are treated equally, I refer to a masonic song called the tylers toast "rank is but the guinea stamp the man himself the gold"
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/godolphin.lodge/html/tyler_s_toast.html
If you read the lyrics carefully you will see that all men are accepted into freemasonry regardless of race or creed the only requirement of a potential brother is that he believes in " A God" it doesn't matter what he reffers to him as. Freemasonry is not in any way a religion or an alternative to any any religion members are perfectly entitled to pursue their own religious belief's. Just for the record Freemasonry has nothing to do with worshiping the devil either.
I could go on and on forever but the end result is you will believe what you want, I can only say I have been a mason for 8 years I am very young to be a member only 26 now and of all the high ranking masons I know or have met they all are honest decent upstanding gentlemen of a superb moral standard. So no you don't have to be rich or well educated to become a freemason you just have to be a decent person with a good moral compass and who knows you might learn something along the way. Nobody is "perfect" but i would never consider the fact that someone is different a flaw. Thats the difference between me and you. ( I'm referring to the original thread writer)

To anyone who read this i hope it has opened your eyes a little bit to the truth about freemasonry, but just to open your eyes to the type of people who make absurd claims about it, have a look at the links below i took them from a thread above claiming that freemasons are " deceitful liars and deceivers should be regarded as the laughing stock" and are basically ruling and wrecking the world. The writers intent is to blame masons for such horrific events as 911 and in the same breath he says masons are only involved in anything for money. Follow the links and instructions and see how many advertisments you can find on these supposed public service anouncements.
Saddam, al-Queda Scroll to the bottom of the page and find 4 links

Clear & Convincing Evidence Scroll to the bottom of the page click link for main page

Need I say more? this page speakes for itself full of adverts
Who is only in it for the money now?

Hey there, I'm a DM of my lodge in Mt. Serpentia, Blygordublorp.

welcome brother what office is DM we dont have that office under the irish constitution? I take it you read my rant above feels good to get that off my chest. My fingers are killing me from typing but it was worth it

Why can't girls be Freemasons? It's keeping me from having goals in life, just sitting here with dresses and hairdryers but no secret handshakes. :(

fucks up the whole brotherhood angle, sorry

Well have you ever known a woman that could keep a secret? Only joking.
Their are womens lodges in France and America they are not all recognised by the grand lodge but that may change in the fututre its not for me to decide. Dont forget how old freemasonry is it was founded in a time when things were very different. At this stage its almost just tradition that women are not members.

Im sorry i dont understand what you mean by it fucks up the whole brotherhood angle?

I AM one of the Illuminati and I can safely say that we've got enough freemasons on payroll. I mean you guys mean well, but our guys ARE trying to take down the world. We got Enron, we got space station Mir, we were worried about Britney Spears but we got her too (a mole in Jive records set her up for fame but it was easy enough to take out by amplifying her stardom until her plunge into insanity). We were worried about the Internet for about 9 minutes... I think it was 1996. Those were 9 long minutes. Thankfully it took one of our best brainslaves that long to create Google, so we all breathed a sigh of relief. Currently the largest threats on our radar are Michael Vick (some of our highest ranking members are dogs), Jesus (need I say more?) and the Day of the Tentacle video game.

Could you just kind of secretly make me a Mason, like a junior deputy Mason, over the internet? No one at your lodge has to know.

Im sorry i dont understand what you mean by it fucks up the whole brotherhood angle?

-- IrishMason, Thursday, 26 July 2007 22:44 (0 seconds ago) Link

it means you can't give a blow job to a chick

oh yeah, another major enemy of ours is Bud Light cos it tastes like water-- we hate that.

Dammit Will!!! payroll forgot my check again!!! For a bunch of illuminated people you cant even get my overtime right.....

I wear my sunglasses at night, so I can see

You're suspended until you get that tattoo of Eris lasered off.

I might laser off the rest of me and leave the tattoo.
how's that grab you, "brother?"

Ok abbott ill see what i can do, how does "supreme grand master of all things known and unknown but especially dresses & hairdryers" sound? i think its got a ring to it.

BAN IRISH MASON

it was just a joke. Seriously If anyone is really interested in joining a lodge just google freemasons in your area most lodges have an email contact and some kind of application process that you do before you meet them....just to weed out the people asking to join for the wrong reasons.

NO NO NO; I was thinking something more like "Prophet, Seer and Revelator of The Guild of the First Born and the Bornless One; Gets First Dibs."

BUT BUT BUT I'd need someone inside the system to let me in, as a woman. Help me out here.

Here you go abbott

www.luckymojo.com/comasonry.html

if the link doesn't work google women freemasons and hit the first link.

Have to admit that is one impressive title, if we had more like you the illuminati would be shaking in their raybans

some kind of application process that you do before you meet them....just to weed out the people asking to join for the wrong reasons.

I saw somthing about the link above on discovery they were not freemasons, they were a lodge not recognised by Grand lodge because of their political opinions ant the fact they had a political agenda. They got booted out long before the incident. The only two things not up for discussion at a meeting are politics and religion. Why? because politics and religion divide people freemasonry does the opposite.

but isn't the whole point of the Freemasons to divide people into members and non-members?

What are you a lawyer? I havn't seen such a spin on words in ages? Like i just said anyone can join, as long as you believe in a god supreme being buddah allah whatever you want to call it. Of course they are only looking for members who's moral compass is working. As for women I wouldnt object to them joining and their are some womens lodges maybe in the future their will be mixed lodges in my opinion its the way forward.

Are you Catholic, IrishMason?

As it happens yes though i would have to admit im far from an active catholic usually just attend weddings funerals and christenings the same as everyone else my age that i know. religion has taken a serious downturn in ireland especially with the younger generation.

Also age and sexual orientation plz.

26 and hetrosexual

This is a very interesting thread.

Glad you think so BIG HOOS are you going to tell me were all a bunch of satin worshiping homosexuals trying to take over the world and force our belief's on everyone too?

Could you please use a bit more punctuation, IrishMason?

sorry got to go its late here have an early start. bye

byebye.

Glad you think so BIG HOOS are you going to tell me were all a bunch of satin worshiping homosexuals trying to take over the world and force our belief's on everyone too?

-- IrishMason, Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:43 PM

A bit tightly wound, are we? I hear satin does wonders for stress, though.

Well, this kind of solves the argument that requiring user registration will kill the random googler phenomenon.

Sorry hoos you took me up wrong i didnt mean it like that. i was only joking really have to go night.

otm xpost

I can't believe you asked a mason about punctuation. No wonder he took off.

Satin is smooth and soft and sensual, I don't see what's so wrong with worshipping it.

IrishMason, if you come back please click "new answers" at the top or bottom of this page and you'll find an amazing array of subjects - it would be great to get a proper Masonic perspective on these. It's not all All Seeing Eye and Novo Ordo Seclorum around here you know!

I asked because I was told that Catholics weren't welcome as Masons since they believed in the power of confession. Wouldn't want some bead-fumbler spilling the beans about walking the sands to his local priest.

As is my understanding, Knights of Columbus lodges were set up as a sort of Catholic Masonry.

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I hope he comes back after his sleep.

WE KNOW WHO GOT CAUGHT IN THE RANGE ROVER WITH THE LITTLE BOY

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This thread is so boring!

What are you looking for in your Freemasonry threads, kenan?

Like i just said anyone can join, as long as you believe in a god supreme being buddah allah whatever you want to call it. Of course they are only looking for members who's moral compass is working.

I think it's funny that you're accusing me of mincing words (lawyer trickery!) when you yourself stated quite plainly that Freemasonry, unlike religion and politics, does the opposite of dividing people. Well, the Masons are an exclusive club and the whole principle of exclusivity is based on the exclusion of certain others from the club. How is that the "opposite" of division?

I don't even find the exclusivity all that distasteful, but it's the organization's tradition of insistence that the discrimination be based on one's belief in a "supreme being," (to say nothing of your association with that belief being the indicator of a functional moral compass) that seems wrong to me. Could you explain what's the use, or even the appeal, of a private guild that bans the discussion of politics within its ranks? Or is that secret as well?

As for women I wouldnt object to them joining and their are some womens lodges maybe in the future their will be mixed lodges in my opinion its the way forward.

The right of women to be included in an exclusive club might well be the way forward, yes, it's possible! Since you believe it's the way forward, you might even feel a moral obligation to personally take a proactive approach toward this reform, as some other lodges have. But if discussion of politics are banned, then how does one go about that?

What are you looking for in your Freemasonry threads, kenan?

point taken, I'm just pissed at myself for continuing to read it

Hi just a little note to better explain why I think Freemasonry unites people rather than divide's them.....

In Ireland as you probably well know their had long been a serious divide between catholic & protestant and Northern Ireland has seen that divide turn violent for very long time. In fact you could trace the divide right back to when Ireland was under English rule that's basically where it all started. Where else but in a lodge of Freemasons do you find such a diverse mix of people of all different religions, different races and even different political belief's getting on so well under the one roof. If the world was a little more like Freemasonry I think it would be a better place for all of us. In my lodge the protestant / catholic mix is probably about 60/40 to be honest I cant be sure because it doesn’t matter ant therefore it doesn‘t come up, funnily enough I recently attended a Church Of Ireland mass it was a funeral for a fellow mason and there is practically no difference in the ceremony’s and even if their was everybody is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. People the world over are too quick to be up in arms over absolutely nothing or any real relevance. That’s another thing Freemasonry teaches you “tolerance” Basically I feel that Freemasonry teaches you important life lessons in general, for example their are parts of certain degrees or the explanation of certain Masonic symbols (obviously I can't go into detail) that teach you things like not to judge a book by its cover, which is the basis of racism. I have found it has changed me for the better and its nice to be involved in something that does both a lot of good for its members and non members, for members in the form of a helping hand when needed or taking care of a masons widow & children through our own internal charities and for non members the huge amount of work we put into our fundraising for non Masonic charities. I can safely say with my hand on my heart I have never seen anything in Freemasonry that I or anyone else would consider to be in anyway harmful to either members or non members whatsoever. I'd also like so point out that of course im sure that their have been times when a mason has broke the law or hurt someone in some way that’s bound to happen when you consider the millions of members their are worldwide. But I believe that any real mason, by real mason I mean a member who actively tries be of more use to his fellow man and tries to live by the moral standards taught to all freemasons and follows the laws and constitutions set out in freemasonry, well that man cant be doing too much wrong in my opinion. Hopefully it wont be too long before I will be able to say the same for women. I will take your advise "iiiijjjj" and actively participate in trying to bring around such a change.

Anyway a friend of mine is home from the UK for the weekend so im off out on the piss. bye.

http://www.freemasonsnorthmunster.com/Baal's_Bridge_Square.htm

The old brass square, known as the Baal’s Bridge Square, was recovered from the foundations of Baal’s Bridge in Limerick when the bridge was being rebuilt in 1830. It is inscribed “I will strive to live with Love and Care Upon the Level By the Square” and bears the date, 1507.

I think the inscription say alot about the foundations of Freemasonry.

tldr, n00b