I... don't know.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:54 (eighteen years ago)
-omg he did drugkz
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:54 (eighteen years ago)
-omg he went to public school and oxford!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:55 (eighteen years ago)
-will privatize much of the public sector!!!
i mean labour can fuck him up with just those three things right?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:56 (eighteen years ago)
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:55 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
^^^This is basically all we have at the moment.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:58 (eighteen years ago)
Unless Brown can work a "Cameron actually wants to give every flamboyant gay slut in this country £15,000" angle. Which would be lulz.
- he is more of a cunt than the other cunt
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:59 (eighteen years ago)
David Miliband was educated at schools in London, Benton Park School in Leeds and Boston, Massachusetts before being educated at Haverstock Comprehensive School in North London, where he obtained a Grade 'D' in Physics A-level, and 3 Grade 'B's.[3] He was admitted to Corpus Christi College, Oxford, where he got a first in Philosophy, Politics and Economics. He then took a S.M. degree in Political Science in 1990 at MIT, where he was a Kennedy Scholar.
how the fuck do you get into oxford with three Bs and a D? lame.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:01 (eighteen years ago)
I think its going to take something pretty big to stop him becoming next prime minister. He is also the first one from that lot in many years that appears to actually believe it himself
― laxalt, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:09 (eighteen years ago)
can i be the first to say that i'm emigrating if he gets in.
actually, I'm planning on emigrating anyway but i'll probably do it quicker.
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:14 (eighteen years ago)
A paedo scandal or something might help.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:15 (eighteen years ago)
David Cameron is essentially the Child Catcher.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:16 (eighteen years ago)
lolocaust
― DG, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
Oh wau, that is one of those moments where you think who the fuck is writing the speeches and have their PR team lost the plot altogether?
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)
ha i was about to post that. ed balls claiming the schoolkids "see the horrors of auschwitz first-hand" is pretty o_O also.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:35 (eighteen years ago)
That "see the horrors first hand" line...what a world we live in. Fuckin' idiots, the lot of them.
― Pashmina, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:38 (eighteen years ago)
Balls talking balls
― blueski, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:39 (eighteen years ago)
i wonder if auschwitz employs a load of out of work actors / drama students like the london dungeon
― DG, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:40 (eighteen years ago)
I just made a similar joke and deleted it on the grounds that I would never get a job speechwriting for the Conservative Party even I thougt it was over the line!
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:42 (eighteen years ago)
(It's not *that* stupid a quote, by all accounts even the empty Auschwitz as it exists now is pretty horrific, but yeah he should kind of watch his language in this debate)
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:43 (eighteen years ago)
i want to see the Tories full gimmicks list tho. Other "gimmicks" listed included deep-cleaning of hospitals and screening tests for cervical cancer. is much more wtf
― blueski, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:45 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe Cameron has had a punt on Labour for the next General Election. We shd monitor this.
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:45 (eighteen years ago)
1. Deep cleaning of hospitals 2. Screening tests for cervical cancer 3. PROFIT 4. School trips to Auschwitz 5. Teaching children to read
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
Another two points shaved off the Tories' poll leads today. Apparently the people love them some nationalisation.
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
i didn't think i had any respect to lose
― DG, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
i did a-level history (badly) but the idea they would've taken us to auschwitz then is too surreal to contemplate properly. i don't know how i would've felt about it (but i shouldn't have studied it anyway).
― blueski, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
Does contenderizer right Cameron's speeches now?
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:49 (eighteen years ago)
6. Install Harry Redknapp as Chancellor
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:50 (eighteen years ago)
7. Meals on Wheels
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:50 (eighteen years ago)
8. Under The Iron Sea
― blueski, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
9. Make it a legal requirement for all MPs who like Morrissey and Radiohead to wear a badge saying 'I am gay'.
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:53 (eighteen years ago)
10. nationalise list threads
― DG, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:53 (eighteen years ago)
11. Liverpool 1 Barnsley 2
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
it's amazingly stupid to come out against it because it's not a big deal. the sums of money involved are paltry, ridiculously small, and it leave an open goal for "OMG HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST" bidness.
you probably don't need to visit auschwitz to "get it", harrowing though it may be, any more than you need to go to the west indies to get a handle on slavery. it's not a bad idea though, and if you're going to do a school trip, why not southern poland rather than wherever school trips go these days?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
12. Liverpool 2 InterNAZIonale 0 SAY NO TO GODWIN STATE!
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:55 (eighteen years ago)
i hear the weather in srebrenica etc.
― blueski, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
the sums of money involved are paltry, ridiculously small
altho Jim Knight's taking "hundreds" there so it must add up - i doubt they make them get up at 4am to take the cheaper earlier flights either.
i'm just jealous...
― blueski, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:58 (eighteen years ago)
i doubt they make them get up at 4am to take the cheaper earlier flights either
Did you never go on a school trip abroad?
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:59 (eighteen years ago)
next to northern rock i spose everything's paltry. but y'know, if i were leader of the opposition right now, i'd probably focus on the big fuck-ups rather than the daily express talking points.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:00 (eighteen years ago)
not one where we enjoyed the BLAIRITE LUXURY of getting on a plane. I am not including post GCSE's camping trip to the Dolomites as a school trip tho (afternoon flight anyway, thankfully). xp
― blueski, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
The Tories have played Northern Rock so badly. Really they should be Blair-in-96 positions right now.
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe it's cos we were in the Midlands and only ever went by ferry but I remember getting up at 2 in the morning.
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
thing of it is, a school trip is a school trip. they'll be witnessing the horror first-hand in the day, and getting surreptitious vats of polish lager in the evening.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:05 (eighteen years ago)
However, while vomiting in a Polish town centre in broad daylight, they'll be sure to appreciate the freedoms we take for granted..
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:08 (eighteen years ago)
"People died so I could try and fail to get this barmaid to toss me off"
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:09 (eighteen years ago)
You in a very private reverie here Matt?
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:11 (eighteen years ago)
Busted.
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:16 (eighteen years ago)
disgraceful what these modern moderators get up to
― DG, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:17 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/25/ncameron125.xml
what the shit?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 25 February 2008 09:29 (eighteen years ago)
Of course Cameron senses a vote-winner but the change must be made in Europe. Hilter's 'killings' now suddenly become insignificant in the face of the present day European slaughter.(Check the figures!!!)
Any species that systemmatically extreminated its own offspring cannot hope to survive.
Another 50yrs and we'll only have Moslem baies in this country - one gets what one deserves. Posted by Tobbias88 on February 25, 2008 10:44 AM
― stevie, Monday, 25 February 2008 10:52 (eighteen years ago)
oh no not moslem baies
― King Boy Pato, Monday, 25 February 2008 11:16 (eighteen years ago)
Anyway...you have a choice of David Cameron or Jeremy Clarkson now. I don't envy your position.
― King Boy Pato, Monday, 25 February 2008 11:18 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe they'll follow Simon Heffer's lead and make John redwood chancellor? That should do it for them.
― Ned Trifle II, Monday, 25 February 2008 11:43 (eighteen years ago)
Oh, meant to be a link there... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/02/20/do2001.xml
― Ned Trifle II, Monday, 25 February 2008 11:44 (eighteen years ago)
lol heffer is scarily otm for much of that article!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 25 February 2008 11:49 (eighteen years ago)
So is Cameron trying to strengthen a Republican-esque coalition of wingnuts and god-botherers here then?
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 25 February 2008 12:48 (eighteen years ago)
it's definitely firm-up-the-base week.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 25 February 2008 12:50 (eighteen years ago)
Cameron can't count on the Mail voters, so he's got to play to a weird half-Telegraph/half-Express crowd.
He's increasingly looking like the British John Kerry though. "Yeah, everyone hates that guy in power, this should be a piece of piss"
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 25 February 2008 12:53 (eighteen years ago)
Or the Tory Neil Kinnock?
― Matt DC, Monday, 25 February 2008 12:56 (eighteen years ago)
I can actually see Cameron shouting "Alright!" after a particularly mediocre speech, so yeah.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 25 February 2008 12:57 (eighteen years ago)
Radiohead are one of my favourite bands. But it's more than their music that I've found inspiring. In October last year, Radiohead released their latest album, In Rainbows, online - but that wasn't the only innovation. They invited their fans to download the album for whatever price they wanted to pay. Many people thought they were mad. But Thom Yorke, the band's lead singer, has since revealed that the digital income from In Rainbows has surpassed that of all their previous albums put together.
A few months after the launch, he said: “It's not supposed to be a model for anything else... we're out of contract, we have our own studio, we have this new server - what the hell else would we do?” Well, he may not appreciate me for saying this, but I'm afraid that Radiohead's innovation has become a model for something else: for the Conservative Party's new effort, launched today, to reform the funding of political parties and engage more people - particularly young people - in politics.
The centrepiece is our new Friends programme. People hate being labelled: they love to create their own identity from different influences. So for many the idea of signing up to a party as a full “member” doesn't fit with what they want. You might support a party on some issues but not others. You may not have the time or inclination to stuff envelopes and knock on doors. Of course, that kind of grassroots activity, carried out by the loyal members of parties, is vital. But it's not for everyone.
That's why we've created our Friends programme. We want to reinvigorate politics by giving people new ways of supporting our party. And, vitally, I see this as a way of broadening our funding base. That's where Radiohead come in. Like them, we're not specifying how much people need to donate to become a Friend of the Conservatives: you can donate as much or little as you like.
My aim is to move away from the “big donor culture” that has helped to undermine people's trust in politics and raised questions about the integrity and independence of all parties. I understand why people are concerned that influence can be bought by big donations - whether from trade unions, businesses or individuals. That's why I want to see the system change radically.
My generation instinctively understands the need to change the way we do things. Frankly, I don't think Gordon Brown does. His response to my call yesterday for live TV debates at the next election was a missed opportunity that shows how deeply stuck he is in the old politics.
We badly need change in this country: change in politics as well as policy. I hope people will respond positively to this new campaign - but above all, I hope Thom Yorke will forgive me for ripping off his idea.
David Cameron is leader of the Conservative Party
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 29 February 2008 12:33 (eighteen years ago)
How do you think the above will play out? In context of the Facebook Groups for Boris stuff seems he's seen an opening he's going to play for. How well do you think he's going to do?
― laxalt, Friday, 29 February 2008 12:37 (eighteen years ago)
The gall of the man is quite startling.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:17 (eighteen years ago)
I expect a highly intelligent and educated man in his 40s to have stopped listening to pop and moved onto something more fitting for his age and station in life. I bet he doesn't comment on literature, classical music, works of philosophy etc. It's this tedious attempt by politicians to pretend that they are at the sharp edge of popular culture when they would be better to be honest about their interests. Either that or he is a juvenile philistine, in which there is no hope for him. Can you imagine a French or German politician saying something like this?
Will Duffay, London
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:19 (eighteen years ago)
something more fitting for his age something more fitting for his age something more fitting for his age something more fitting for his age
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:20 (eighteen years ago)
my dad likes radiohead and he's even older than cameron! and a tory :(
― DG, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:22 (eighteen years ago)
Can you imagine a French or German politician saynailing something like this
― DJ Mencap, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:23 (eighteen years ago)
Conservatives - In Friends: What Are You Paying?
I paid £1M for the peerage and change in tax policy I donated NOTHING and will be a free Tory Friend and not buy a physical membership. I donated NOTHING but may buy a normal membership... I donated under £5/$10 for Friendship. I donated NOTHING but will buy the membership IF I like the policies. I donated Over £5/$10 for the Friendship.
― onimo, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:25 (eighteen years ago)
Can't... see... haze of bile...
Are the kids meant to see a forty-something talking about "my generation understands the bla look I'm younger than Gordon Brown" and go "oh hey yes, that's us"? Well, if it worked for Fred Durst, I guess...
(oh shit, in two years I'll be as old as Durst was then)
― a passing spacecadet, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:27 (eighteen years ago)
I notice Cameron managed to mention "change" four times there. He must have noticed Obama's numbers.
― onimo, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:28 (eighteen years ago)
Radiohead's innovation has become a model for something else: for the Conservative Party's new effort, cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste cut paste
― Mark G, Friday, 29 February 2008 14:32 (eighteen years ago)
This might be a good start: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7282308.stm
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:06 (eighteen years ago)
George Os was talking about "putting tax on Binge Drink" this morning.
What is binge drink? That article was all about oh no alcoPOP where lemon is added to DRINK to make it taste nice. Cans of Stella/Tennants/propercider/etc not affected. Still angling for the tramp/hobo vote there.
― Mark G, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:10 (eighteen years ago)
tbh, I'm all for charging £90 for a bottle of WKD.
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:11 (eighteen years ago)
Tax idiots at source.
But yeah, "we're going to tax you, and we're going to interfere in what you do in your private life" isn't really a classic Tory message.
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:13 (eighteen years ago)
See, what I don't get is whenever they talk about OH NO lads on street corners and/or OH NO girls having a night out, they always show them DANCING/Waving bottle of VODKA/ Smiling/ HAVING A GOOD TIME!!!
― Mark G, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:15 (eighteen years ago)
No they don't they show them vomiting in the gutter with their skirts hiked up and their faces blurred out.
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:18 (eighteen years ago)
Not on the news, they don't. (if yr being sarc there)
― Mark G, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:19 (eighteen years ago)
CON 37% (-3): LAB 34% (+3): LD 19%(+2)
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 10:09 (seventeen years ago)
Considering Labour aren't even doing anything remotely spectacular right now, can we just assume that the longer they go without another calamitous fuckup, the more the Tories' poll lead erodes?
Or alternatively, ha ha Tories you're gonna lose again.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:03 (seventeen years ago)
Don't forget Captain Save-a-Tory-Shitbag is now in charge of the Lib Dems tho.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:06 (seventeen years ago)
They can't go too all-out on that else the guilty metropolitan liberal small l vote will collapse.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:09 (seventeen years ago)
The number of things Labour have done that made the Tories go "WE'D HAVE NEVER GOT AWAY WITH THAT!!" that made me laugh and then go "oh wait.."
Like, Charging for University ed / Freeing the exchange rate mechanism, and now "Pledge allegiance to the Queen in Schools" and also now "Forces Day! Public Holiday"
We'll all be waving flags on street parades as we welcome our forces home from Iraq and Afganistan on our way to vote while Cameron cries into his beer and sings "didn't we almost have it all"....
And the rest of us wonder what the difference is.
(Of course, there is a big difference)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:09 (seventeen years ago)
Been seriously thinking about getting involved with the Labour party rather than bitching about it on here, but whenever I think of what that would involve I get overwhelmed with despair.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:11 (seventeen years ago)
Pledge allegiance to the Queen in Schools
FTQ ya bass
― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:12 (seventeen years ago)
Also John Hutton yesterday saying that Britain should celebrate large salaries.
We would if we actually got paid large salaries.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:13 (seventeen years ago)
Dom Passantino: "Yeah, you are a big posh sod with plums in your mouth." David Cameron: "I don't think it's got anything to do with class" Dom Passantino: "And the plums have mutated and they've got beaks."
― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:15 (seventeen years ago)
more!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:17 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/images/2007/02/23/hoodie_finger_203x300.jpg
Me and DC hanging out
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:20 (seventeen years ago)
# rolling 2008 list thread for shit to keep cameron from becoming prime minister [Started by Dom Passantino, last updated 2 minutes ago] 19 new answers # Robert Downey Jr in Blackface?????? [Started by HI DERE, last updated 5 minutes ago] 27 new answers
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:22 (seventeen years ago)
unfortunately no party advocates nationalising independent schools, turning them into comprehensives and using their extensive swathes of land for much-needed social housing, so I think I will be spoiling my ballot paper at the next general election. Honestly, there is a place just three or four miles down the road here called Radley College where they could build loads of new houses if the land wasn't owned by a bunch of toffs.
I think the point at which I have been most angered by Brown, G. was when he condemned the public for attacking service personnel in uniform. Him condemn us? Look mate, you're supposed to be here for our benefit, not the other way around. And apparently the attacks only amounted to verbal abuse anyway, heaven help us if a few squaddies run crying home to mummy in the face of a bit of name calling, I hardly think they'd be much use on a battlefield.
― Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:23 (seventeen years ago)
^^^We really should have had a thread about the latter. If the British army can put up with less stick than a bunch of fucking emo kids, then someone may as well let this nation drop into the sea now.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:26 (seventeen years ago)
I think that whole "squaddies being picked on" story overlooked the fact that people have always hurled abuse at squaddies.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:27 (seventeen years ago)
^^^We really should have had a thread about the latter.
Good idea.
The armed forces - do they need protecting from the people of Peterborough?
― Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 12:03 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/18/labour.conservatives
Here we go, kids.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:10 (seventeen years ago)
The only tragedy about not currently having a Tory Government is the fact that we can't have people like Douglas Hurd or Norman Lamont coming on breakfast TV and attempting to enunciate the words "mid-term blues" in their best Etonian tones.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:24 (seventeen years ago)
Honestly, there is a place just three or four miles down the road here called Radley College where they could build loads of new houses if the land wasn't owned by a bunch of toffs.
um, dude, i hate toffs as much as anyone else but this is pretty insane. you're proposing that the government take away privately owned land, yes? why use the grounds of radley instead of, say, some of the many other fields in the countryside that surround oxford?
who do you think owns most of the land in the country, if not toffs?
and you want this basically so that house prices go down, i'm guessing, too!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:29 (seventeen years ago)
Perhaps the could demolish the university? Loads of land freed up that way.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:39 (seventeen years ago)
now now
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:44 (seventeen years ago)
I'm down with taking land off toffs, providing we reimburse them suitably with an all expenses paid trip to Rockall.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:46 (seventeen years ago)
Anyway, one sure way of keeping Cameron out is to hire Heather Mills as the star turn at his election rally.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:47 (seventeen years ago)
Just throw in Ian Huntley and be done with it.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:55 (seventeen years ago)
Not her type.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:56 (seventeen years ago)
He is a celebrity.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:59 (seventeen years ago)
That one guy that hit it and quit it (whom I wish had a shorter name) obv thinks that socialism is insane. That is OK; he has nailed his colours to the mast.
― Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:02 (seventeen years ago)
you're the lib dem guy right?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:04 (seventeen years ago)
i'm trying to think how a non-socialist state that still has an unelected parliamentary body that represents the landowning class goes about arbitrary land appropriations in the name of socialism, too, but meantime that's a placeholder zing.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:06 (seventeen years ago)
Perhaps they could fuck up the economy so badly that no one can afford to send their children to private school, and then 'nationalise' them to save them from bankruptcy?
― Martin, Stratford-upon-Avon, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:09 (seventeen years ago)
no one can afford to send their children to private school
must admit I lose sleep over this.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:10 (seventeen years ago)
And Johnson way ahead of Livingstone in London as well. Old Etonians back in power where they rightly belong.
― Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:28 (seventeen years ago)
i'm quite surprised by that. i really hate livingstone, but i read a thing about johnson in the sunday times of all places that brought home how deeply odious his lot are. still, glad i don't get such a terrible choice as a voter.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:32 (seventeen years ago)
not so much odious as making ridiculous populist promises that can't possibly be kept through ignorance of their impracticalities - eg bringing back Routemaster buses with conductors. No-one builds buses like this anymore (this has been the case since 1968), to do so would be commercial suicide and be contrary to Disbaility Discrimination Act legislation. It would require a change of employment law at national level to force the individual operators that make up TFL to employ bus conductors.
― Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:47 (seventeen years ago)
Nope, they're odious. I couldn't care less about Routemasters.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:48 (seventeen years ago)
well, that would certainly pose a greater challenge to our unwritten constitution than nationalizing private schools and/or appropriating their land.
xpost
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:48 (seventeen years ago)
feminist women love Eminem chicka chicka chicka Slim Shady, "I'm sick of him, look it him walkin around, grabbin his you know what flippin' to you know who" "yeah, but he's so cute though" yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose but no worse than what's goin on in your parents bedroom (eheheheh) sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose but can't, but it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:49 (seventeen years ago)
NRQ, despite your dislike of Livingstone, do you think his policies have generally improved London or not?
― stevie, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:56 (seventeen years ago)
Oh fuck it - Little England has reverted to type - loving their masters, tugging their forelocks, impressed by wealth and breeding and not much else. Also Cameron and Johnson not Scottish, they've got it made. We might as well give up and stop worrying about it.
― Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:56 (seventeen years ago)
-- stevie, Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:56 AM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
dunno, didn't live there pre-2000. still a capitalist paradise so far as i can tell.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:57 (seventeen years ago)
If Johnson wins can the last person to leave London please turn out the light? Ta.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:40 (seventeen years ago)
who the hell are these "49%" of Londoners that support Boris? I would be reluctant let him look after my cat for the weekend, let alone give him custody of a city.
― Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:43 (seventeen years ago)
It's kind of difficult to tell how Ken has visibly improved London. It certainly feels like a more fun place to be, especially in summer, it feels like there's more going on at street level. His housing policy seems pretty good, transport a massive cock-up, planning in general - meh but I like big fuckoff skyscrapers regardless of what goes on in them. Public persona and concept of 'PR' = massive dud.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:45 (seventeen years ago)
-- Upt0eleven, Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
It's the people on the tube nodding their head sagely at articles in London Lite/London Paper
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:47 (seventeen years ago)
Or all those retards voting for him because he's "fit."
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:52 (seventeen years ago)
I suspect those poll results might be massively skewed. London still has a big (if slightly embarrassed) crush on Ken.
― chap, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:57 (seventeen years ago)
not sure what ken's housing policy is tbh!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 13:02 (seventeen years ago)
People are REALLY REALLY pissed off about bendy buses.
xpost re Boris Johnson's popularity
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)
My wife hates ken, but she can't vote, ahahaha.
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)
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No houses for Jews, I think.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)
The buses issue is ridiculous. Routemasters are loved for purely sentimental reasons, they are in no way the best buses for London. I don't think bendy buses are either but really this 'I'm gonna bring back the routemaster' is facking bollox. Also I can't imagine the cunt ever had to get on one with a pushchair or a less than able old person. And as my dear old departed dad would have said "the silly git's probably thinking of RT's anyway, now they were proper buses..."
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:36 (seventeen years ago)
Nu-tory idea for transport in London...fun for all the family! http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44333000/jpg/_44333233_nicholassoames203.jpg
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:37 (seventeen years ago)
Also, loath though I am to justify things in terms of "the market", there would be no interest in the global market for a new routemaster, so tfl would be responsible for commissioning someone to design and build a whole new bus just for the London market - hugely expensive and wasteful.
― ledge, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:39 (seventeen years ago)
Ken strikes back with new shop-as-you-travel green transport initiative:
http://lookback.merseyblogs.co.uk/LOOKPICPAST.jpg
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:40 (seventeen years ago)
[under ken] transport a massive cock-up
hmm, buses better and cheaper, overground is a marginal improvement over Silverlink, tubes not much worse than they always have been and a lot of that can be ascribed to PPP, cycling facilities vastly improved, congestion charge a sucess even if it is only a smash and grab to fund the buses. I think it is the area where ken has done the most.
― Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:44 (seventeen years ago)
Buses cheaper?
― laxalt, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:46 (seventeen years ago)
xp I would generally agree - but I do have an issue with what seems to be a large increase in the number of traffic lights, and changes in the timings, both of which have slowed up road traffic including buses. (I know this was a pet conspiracy theory of anti c-charge fuckwits, don't know if it was proven either way but it does echo my experience.)
― ledge, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:52 (seventeen years ago)
For oyster, yep. Cash payers get shafted.
― ledge, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:54 (seventeen years ago)
Ah ok, didn't realise that
― laxalt, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:55 (seventeen years ago)
Tube is vastly more expensive than it was when Ken was elected. I think even an Oyster fare is more expensive than a normal ticket was in 2000.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:00 (seventeen years ago)
Even 'shafted' here is relative. Cheaper than the rest of Britain I think. No doubt someone has detailed graphs. I don't get this about public transport in London at all. It has ALWAYS been hard work, at least in the 35 years I've been travelling on it but now seems to be about the easiest it has been during that time. Does that make sense?
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:01 (seventeen years ago)
Livingstone has pretty much conceded that the traffic light bombardment was (a) planned and (b) hasn't worked, which to anyone with a brain would hardly have been a surprise, since London isn't York.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:02 (seventeen years ago)
But more to the point the fucking fuck of a fuck Johnson hasn't the faintest clue about how to make things better.
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)
I got a bus across Canterbury at the weekend and paid something like 60p. Equivalent journey in London now is at least twice that, if you pay cash.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:04 (seventeen years ago)
i.e. it's not a quaint tourist pedestrian paradise that you can walk around in the space of a morning (self xxp).
Recommendations: Stop listening to vested interest traffic planners and plan on basis of logic and need. Abandon unworkable bus timetable policy which has buses in third gear on deserted roads because they have to be at Clapham Junction in no less than 23 minutes. More buses for outlying parts of London where most Londoners are economically forced to live instead of concentrating them all in central London to get the tourist vote. Sort out the roadworks.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)
Sort out the roadworks.
How?
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)
I mean it seems like a fairly reasonable request but just think of how many different competing companies there are who want to dig up the road at any one time.
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:08 (seventeen years ago)
My local bus service, on the other hand, costs £1.20 for a 30 minute, 4 mile ride. What's the London equivalent?
― Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:09 (seventeen years ago)
Abandon unworkable bus timetable policy which has buses in third gear on deserted roads because they have to be at Clapham Junction in no less than 23 minutes.
this is very irritating, but it predates livingstone, london bus drivers have always faced penalties for being early, I suspect that off peak timetables do not reflect traffic realities. Should be sorted out though.
Also bus drivers should be strung up for refusing to turn of top deck heating in the summer.
All bus journeys are 90p regardless of length.
― Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:10 (seventeen years ago)
Maybe they should just designate March as official roadworks month since that's when councils are spunking their budgets anyhoo.
― suzy, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:10 (seventeen years ago)
london bus drivers have always faced penalties for being early
possibly as an attempt to avoid bus clumping aka "you wait ages then three turn up at once"
― ledge, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:13 (seventeen years ago)
^Exactly.
― Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:14 (seventeen years ago)
But it's not just councils is the point. It's the gas/electricity/tv/telephone/cable PLUS those poor bastards who have to actually fix the roads especially when the befoer mentioned companies have screwed it up.
xp
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)
This doesn't make it any less irritating when a driver waits 5 minutes at a deserted stop and won't move on.
― Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)
In practice, though, three coming at once still happens, largely because three buses leave depot at same time.
SAY NO TO SPANISH PRACTICES STATE!!
REAL SOCIALIST KEN would have told them ALL where to get off.
Pass NEW LAWS requiring all companies to apply for a licence to dig up roads.
Use ADEQUATE ADMIN to stagger all roadworks so that they don't coincide or clash with each other.
CLOSE MONITORING with HEAVY FINANCIAL AND OTHER LEGAL PENALTIES if companies EXCEED allotted digging time without sound reason.
FOOT PATROLS on STREETS - if van/digger/foreman turns up without permit or by your leave - DIG NOT VALID - PERMISSION REFUSED. If they try it - POLICE AND TRANSPORT AUTHORITIES to SEIZE EQUIPMENT, TOW AWAY VAN, ARREST COWBOY NAVVIES for OBSTRUCTION of PUBLIC HIGHWAY.
ABANDON ABSURD COUNCIL BUDGET MALARKEY where if budget NOT SPENT by end of March LESS MONEY RECEIVED NEXT YEAR. Con exposed in top Hollywood film FALLING DOWN when will USELESS UK CATCH UP with AWARE PROACTIVE MICHAEL DOUGLAS?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)
As for traffic lights, a lot of the re timing has been done to add or improve pedestrian phases which is very welcome.
― Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:16 (seventeen years ago)
On the C-Charge issue there's a letter from Ken in the Independent today defending the new charges based on CO2 emissions and whatnot, where he says the main aim is still to reduce congestion, and also to persuade people to get cars that pollute less, which he'll do by giving a 100% discount to people with the least polluting cars. So presumably when everyone is filling London up with these less-polluting cars, he'll change the rules again. That'll probably annoy people.
Paddick is the only person (as far as I know - certainly out of the main 3 parties) who'd bring in transferable bus tickets, like they have in most (erm, I think) European cities, so you just pay once for an hour or so's travel, instead of paying again and again if you need to change buses to continue your journey. Like on the tube.
― Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:17 (seventeen years ago)
largely because three buses leave depot at same time.
largely because they arrived at the depot at the same time and sending one bus out to pick up three buses worth of passengers is not an option. Clumping is a natural phenomenon and perhaps impossible to eliminate.
― ledge, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:19 (seventeen years ago)
It was quite a common occurrence for buses in Streatham to pick up three buses worth of passengers at a time.
And of course Kapitalist Ken allows London to turn into a tourist/protest/roadworks/Tubeworks theme park every weekend which makes getting into central London of a weekend practically impossible.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:20 (seventeen years ago)
This really would be good - I think most US cities do this too. Will he do the same for tube-bus transfers?
I haven't been following the election, btw - does Paddick have any hope at all?
― toby, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)
Not really, I fear. I think he has the best ideas but there's going to be a lot of kneejerk "Stop Boris" voting for Ken for fear of something worse, etc. so he'll be lucky to get maybe 10-15% of the total vote.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:24 (seventeen years ago)
This is not a new development since Ken got in.
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:26 (seventeen years ago)
NO ARTY-FARTY ELEPHANTS BLOCKING UP THE STREETS IN THE DAYS OF RIGHT-ON GLC!!!
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:29 (seventeen years ago)
Paddick has got a special black cab manifesto so expect every taxi on April 30th to become something like those cars you'd have in the 80s with loudspeakers on the roof (was this banned? Never seems to happen anymore). Might grab him an extra 1%.
― Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:36 (seventeen years ago)
No but we did have fundays! http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/484803785_9e38a22a75.jpg (and more demos)
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:38 (seventeen years ago)
er..xp..
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:41 (seventeen years ago)
If these lefties like the past so much, why don't they, errrrrrr, go and, errrrrr, live there
― Tom D., Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:43 (seventeen years ago)
Don't see any mention in that manifesto of black cabs having to go south of the river WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT so it's pretty pointless since if they won't, then pedicabs will.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:43 (seventeen years ago)
Ha, south of the river is NOT London, as any fule kno...
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:44 (seventeen years ago)
The rule is to get inside the cab before you tell destination. Once in, the letter of the law applies.
― suzy, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)
I lived south of the river in SOUTH LONDON for SIX YEARS so DON'T TRY IT!!!!
(xpost, obv)
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:51 (seventeen years ago)
Cabs afraid to go south of the river 'cause they might get me as a passenger and I will proceed to drunkenly berate them for driving ridiculous out-of-the-way fare-increasing route when in fact they took a direct straight line as i later discovered when i looked at the a-z.
― ledge, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:55 (seventeen years ago)
Since 95% of all cab drivers live in Streatham their argument is clearly NOT VALID.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:57 (seventeen years ago)
This is not true; the loop in the central line is the eruv for cab drivers, only non-orthodox cab drivers live south of the river.
― Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:01 (seventeen years ago)
I have lived in South London for the best part of 30 years and not once have I ever had a cab driver refuse to go SotR. I don't believe it happens half as often as people say.
More elephants though, please.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:06 (seventeen years ago)
70 posts about London buses isn't going to stop Cameron from becoming Prime Minister. Focus, people!
http://i29.tinypic.com/2144knc.jpg
― onimo, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:06 (seventeen years ago)
How about we run over him with a bus instead?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:16 (seventeen years ago)
tbh I don't think anything will stop him.
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:20 (seventeen years ago)
I suppose cycling through a red light isn't really going to be enough is it?
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 21 March 2008 15:50 (seventeen years ago)
I forgot my Oystercard and paid £2 to go about half a mile on a bus today. This cheaper buses under Ken stuff is nonsense.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 March 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)
You can't blame Ken for your incompetence.
― Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 23 March 2008 16:35 (seventeen years ago)