http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:08 (eighteen years ago)
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/63-expensive-sandwiches/
Dr Huxtable not white: hypothesis disproven.
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:10 (eighteen years ago)
i think on the whole they like to drive like *this*.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:11 (eighteen years ago)
black people, on the other hand...
i thought this thread title was saying "Stuff white people, like"
― Ste, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:15 (eighteen years ago)
Stuff white people like: black people
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
that expensive sandwich looks delicious.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2155/2128597322_a5e3f1c3d2.jpg
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:17 (eighteen years ago)
Fact: Japanese people hate Japan.
― RabiesAngentleman, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:19 (eighteen years ago)
That sandwich looks like barf.
― RabiesAngentleman, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:20 (eighteen years ago)
I am not convinced by this website. Fundamentally it is not very funny, and it just does things like say "white people like cycling hurr hurr they are stupid". In contrast, Black People Love Us is actually funny and says interesting things about the world.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:30 (eighteen years ago)
white people like metafilter
― DG, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:32 (eighteen years ago)
yeah i agree vicar, they're choosing this incredibly narrow slice of urban/cosmopolitan/bourgeois culture and presenting it as "white people"
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:37 (eighteen years ago)
dg i have never looked at the metafilter site although i know what it is - maybe i am not in fact white
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:38 (eighteen years ago)
jokes bruv
― DG, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:42 (eighteen years ago)
what?
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:45 (eighteen years ago)
the blog is practically unreadable.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:49 (eighteen years ago)
I think this is supposed to be implicit in its comedy value
― DJ Mencap, Friday, 15 February 2008 14:23 (eighteen years ago)
The other thing I don't like about it is the way it takes some perfectly reasonable things - nice sandwiches, wholefoods, bicycles - and then implies that people are stupid for liking them.
However, I salute their mockery of people who stand still at concerts, for all that the Onion beat them to it by many years.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 15 February 2008 14:28 (eighteen years ago)
Whining.
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 15 February 2008 14:33 (eighteen years ago)
-- DJ Mencap, Friday, 15 February 2008 14:23 (10 minutes ago) Link
yes. And I did chuckle
― Hurting 2, Friday, 15 February 2008 14:38 (eighteen years ago)
By the way - has this site been picked up in the white controlled media or something? It seems to be all over the Internet right now.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 15 February 2008 15:19 (eighteen years ago)
-- DG, Friday, February 15, 2008 1:32 PM (1 hour ago)
i was joking but it's true :(
― DG, Friday, 15 February 2008 15:19 (eighteen years ago)
i dunno somebody posted it to some thingie -- now i feel like a cog in some grand meme design
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 15:20 (eighteen years ago)
"White people be all naive and well meaning, lol."
― Bodrick III, Friday, 15 February 2008 15:27 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.zmemusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/radiohead460.jpg
― Bodrick III, Friday, 15 February 2008 15:30 (eighteen years ago)
What a crock of shit.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:07 (eighteen years ago)
The website that is, not Thom.
my dad held up an obama sign at a street corner in knoxville, tennessee last week. he was there for an hour and a half. on three separate occasions, people rolled down their windows and shouted something about "niggers" at him. two of them gave him the finger.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:10 (eighteen years ago)
an hour and a half.
well he was in tennessee after all
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:11 (eighteen years ago)
OMG this website will be indispensable in my fantasy dissertation about how "white culture" gets defined. Seriously, I have been wanting to write this for 8 years now.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
it would be so awesome if in the middle of all that stuff they have on their site they just calmly added a post called "hating niggers"
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:16 (eighteen years ago)
#59 Natural Medicine
....Since white people can’t really blame any race for their problems, they need to blame corporations.
Yuk yuk
― Eazy, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:18 (eighteen years ago)
I refuse to actually read the blog entries but seeing the headings "Divorce" and "Recycling" did make me chuckle.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:25 (eighteen years ago)
someone plz hack this wordpress POS blog and we can sign in and make it interesting.
#69 - Puerto Rican Tranny Whores
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:26 (eighteen years ago)
#62 Knowing what’s best for poor people <-- lol
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:27 (eighteen years ago)
White people often have spiritual moments at concerts by the following artists: Common, Brand Nubian, Tribe Called Quest, and Del Tha Funky Homosapien.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
HI DERE, THIS IS 1993
Jim DeRogatis, white person extraordinnairre.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
eh, their hatred of non-profits (which includes churches, of course) is confusing. It also implies if a person of any other race than white likes any of the above stuff (expensive sandwiches, charity work, bikes), that they're acting """white"""".
This just sounds like an upper middle class white person's rant against upper middle class white bourgeois culture, like a higher level of some kid's "hipsters 4 f4ags" site.
new entry for stuff white people like: making fun of white people on a blog.
― burt_stanton, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:30 (eighteen years ago)
#4 Assists <- lol
― jhøshea, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
this blog is like a weird, less obviously evil example of ethan's thing about racial puppetry in right-wing comics--like 80% of the "things white people like" are "liberal" or "hippie" things coded as left-wing in some way, the implicit statement being "if these are things white people like, non-whites must dislike them." therefore non-whites dislike co-ed sports, recycling, "knowing whats best for poor people" (<--- this is the best example of what i mean), etc. not to mention that "white" here is coded (as usual) as "clueless" and "uncool" (im sympathetic to that characterization), so shit like "not shopping at wal-mart" is a totally "clueless" thing to do
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
i dont remember brand nubian being real big w/teh wites tho
― jhøshea, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:32 (eighteen years ago)
That's a hueg part of the lolz for me!
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:33 (eighteen years ago)
the guest entry on rap songs white people love is cute, too.
Knowing the words up to "I get stupid, I mean outrageous" is standard and unremarkable. Knowing everything up through the hook means you’ll be frenching at 80s Night.
Kiss me.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:33 (eighteen years ago)
most of that rap list could be "songs that pretty much everyone likes"
― jhøshea, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)
upper middle class white bourgeois culture
What's fascinating to me, though, is how this becomes read as "white culture," full stop. Although it's slightly different from what's usually considered "white culture" -- that is, suburban middle-class soccer moms and patio dads, as exemplified in the following:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/7155KDERFZL._AA280_.gif
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)
actually really im not loling at this because like, http://www.oldpunks.com/1fishbarrel.jpg
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:35 (eighteen years ago)
I think it's got potential -- I loled myself when I saw "Divorce" -- but someone otm that it's pretty poorly written. Which is why we much hack this blog and make it better.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:37 (eighteen years ago)
I'd like to reiterate my stance of "fuck reading most of this, I'm chuckling at the headers and namechecking Brand Nubian".
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:38 (eighteen years ago)
I'm waiting for the "double-no-whip-foam-skinny-etc-etc" yuks.
I lol-ed at the co-ed sports title.
― Eazy, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:40 (eighteen years ago)
im listening to brand nubian now
i like it (i am white people)
― jhøshea, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:41 (eighteen years ago)
i just dont really like "racial humor" that conservative douchebags could look at and be like "lol at those white people, clearly im down since i hate co-ed sports"
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:43 (eighteen years ago)
hey there's a bit about apple lol
― DG, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:45 (eighteen years ago)
Brand Nubian sampled Edie Brickell, right?
― Eazy, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:46 (eighteen years ago)
-- jaymc, Friday, February 15, 2008 4:34 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
good work overlooking this is all completely US-centric jaymc!!!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
yah on slow down - rules so hard xp
― jhøshea, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
Edie Brickell, man, that is some white shit right there.
― Laurel, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
<-- listening to Bob Marley, lol white guy
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:49 (eighteen years ago)
lots of rap records sample white music like edie brickell but then they use their special not-wite musical powers to make not-wite music out of it :)
― jhøshea, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
max totally fucking otm, exactly what i thought reading this ... i swear this was concocted by a conservative think tank to make fun of hybrid cars or some shit
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:52 (eighteen years ago)
NUMBER ONE ANSWER
http://brisonent.com/uploaded_images/Soulja-Boy-Atlanta-743244.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 February 2008 16:52 (eighteen years ago)
This definitely has its funny moments but it's essentially reductionist, divisive, and shallow humor. I don't take offense at this (as a white guy, I mean) but it leaves me a little meh.
― Michael White, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:57 (eighteen years ago)
entire blog owned by the 'sideways' joke in '30 rock' basically.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:58 (eighteen years ago)
lol yes
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:59 (eighteen years ago)
was going to talk shit about brand nubian name drop, then remembered thats who br3ihan wrote his piece on for 'marooned'
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:00 (eighteen years ago)
didnt they release an album last year
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
I don't find it particularly funny, but I find it enormously interesting.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
very much in character 2008
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
So if I was to say that this comes off more like it's satirising someone else's satire - ie lazy "white culture" zings - a lot of you would think I'm giving it too much credit?
― DJ Mencap, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:08 (eighteen years ago)
I think there's too much authentic bitterness in the jibes for it to be a parody
― burt_stanton, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:10 (eighteen years ago)
max & deej totally fucking otm, if maybe getting a little carried away. site trades in smug, condescending frat-boy yucks. lolz @ goofy non-profits, "caring about poor people", etc. doesn't even make sense. these aren't white things on any level.
yeah. way too much.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:11 (eighteen years ago)
ya mencap i wish the writing was good enough that i could believe that
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:14 (eighteen years ago)
lol contenderizer, u mad
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:16 (eighteen years ago)
I don't have the inclination to look at the whole list. Is NASCAR on there? White people fucking love NASCAR. And chewing tobacco.
― Bill Magill, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:23 (eighteen years ago)
Haha between this and that Guardian blog thing yesterday I seriously have to stop trying to figure out whether everything I read is a joke or not
― DJ Mencap, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:25 (eighteen years ago)
(inc Bill's post I meant to say)
Yeah, iwas kidding. Because those two things (both of which I like) are totally at odds with the shit in that dumb list.
― Bill Magill, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:31 (eighteen years ago)
-- Bill Magill
No. There is absolutely nothing on this site that does not skew "white" as liberal, urban, educated and (upper) middle class. Check this out - shortest entry in the blog:
#8 Barack Obama
"Because white people are afraid that if they don’t like him that they will be called racist."
Or this, which directly precedes it:
#7: Diversity
"White people love ethnic diversity, but only as it relates to restaurants..."
Or this, on white people's supposed love of lawyers (suggesting that recourse to litigation is a "LOLWTF white people" kinda thing):
Please note that when around white people, that it is social suicide to admit or state that you don’t have a regular lawyer. But perhaps the one main reason why white people love lawyers is the sense that they are giving back to the community. Most white people major in the arts, and law school is pretty much the only option for anyone with a BA that wants a decent paying job.
This site is entirely political. I'm not saying that it's intended to influence political opinion, but it at least displays a very strong point of view. Gotta wonder though:
...has this site been picked up in the white controlled media or something? It seems to be all over the Internet right now.
- Dirty
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:41 (eighteen years ago)
Half of this site reads like a reinterpretation of Def Comedy Jam without the sex jokes.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:43 (eighteen years ago)
#11 Asian Girls
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
#20 Being an expert on YOUR culture
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:46 (eighteen years ago)
White people love to laugh, so it’s no surprise that some of the funniest people in the world are white! But do not believe that white people find all types of humor funny. BET Comicview for example is not considered funny, and white people generally get little to no enjoyment out of the program.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:49 (eighteen years ago)
why the fuck did you link to this, Tracer?
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:49 (eighteen years ago)
-- HI DERE
Granted, a fair amount of it is otm wrt the group it's describing.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:50 (eighteen years ago)
"White people love ethnic diversity, but only as it relates to restaurants..." made me LOL too.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
BET Comicview for example is not considered funny, and white people generally get little to no enjoyment out of the program.
^^^ the only people i ever see laugh at comicview are white
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:52 (eighteen years ago)
and sometimes asian
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:54 (eighteen years ago)
def comedy jam is hilarious to all the racist frat kids i know, and seldom to me.
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
there is the implicit condescension of things like 'comedians of comedy' which irks me sometimes (while i'm laughing). runteldat?
― tremendoid, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:07 (eighteen years ago)
Stuff like this is what makes it golden to me:
<I>Also, if you see a white person in a Prius you can say “wow, that’s great to see that you’re doing something for the earth.” The white person will feel very good about themselves and offer to drive you home, to Ikea, or drop you off at 80s night.</I>
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:09 (eighteen years ago)
err, i should specify: the newest incarnation of def comedy jam is not very funny. the old episodes are still totally mint. (remember when we all laughed together at sinbad?)
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:11 (eighteen years ago)
the parenthetical might've been a bit of a lie
his sitcom was underrated
― tremendoid, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:13 (eighteen years ago)
http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/rsz/434/x/x/x/medias/nmedia/18/36/04/41/18448060.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:14 (eighteen years ago)
aka worst Quantum Leap slash ever.
stop that
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:16 (eighteen years ago)
jeff foxworthy is funnier than this shit.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:17 (eighteen years ago)
lol @ "assists", "awareness", amy_goodman.jpg
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:18 (eighteen years ago)
also Sterling OTM, I missed that lololol
xpost: Jeff Foxworthy being funnier than this doesn't make this unfunny, Tom.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:18 (eighteen years ago)
tombot - stirrin shit, friday - do i need an excuse??
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:18 (eighteen years ago)
you might be white if other people see you driving a Prius and say “wow, that’s great to see that you’re doing something for the earth.” Then you feel good about yourself and offer to drive them home, to Ikea, or drop them off at 80s night.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:19 (eighteen years ago)
jeff foxworthy is not funnier than this shit
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:19 (eighteen years ago)
well did we already do a thread about doug feith publishing a book? 'cause I can go read that
if i look at this as "stuff people on the east side of Madison like" (ie the part of town w/co-ops, co-ed ultimate frisbee leagues, dogs, and bicycles), it becomes hilariously otm.
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:20 (eighteen years ago)
when did ILX become "i love laughing at boring obvious targets"
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:20 (eighteen years ago)
But this shit isn't very funny. Just one white man's opinion.
xxpost
― Bill Magill, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:20 (eighteen years ago)
Sometime in 2000?
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:21 (eighteen years ago)
Also, if you see a white person in a Prius you can say “wow, that’s great to see that you’re doing something for the earth.”
s.clover
It's kind of funny, maybe? I dunno, repetitive cheap shots at obvious shit seldom make me LOL, but people are different, so whatever. Still, what strikes me here is the relentless, embittered condescention towards the idea of "helping others". Almost every entry manages to sneak that in, even when there isn't anything obviously altruistic about the LOL-whitey in question. It's weird, is all I'm saying. The site is way more concerned with attacking the idea of altruism (often kinda angrily) than with white culture as a whole.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:21 (eighteen years ago)
I NEVER SAID IT WAS FUNNY
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:21 (eighteen years ago)
meaning the stuff about a certain kind of liberal, granola, lower-middle to middle class culture is pretty funny. other stuff on that site is not quite as funny.
xp to myself
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:21 (eighteen years ago)
Second ILX thread ever or something: lolKidAcover
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:22 (eighteen years ago)
Even the fucking assists one, which is (or could be) actually funny, is really just a dig at "helping".
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:23 (eighteen years ago)
I think I would find this site a whole lot funnier if it were as offensive as real people - black, white, or anybody else - is when they are making fun of something or arguing about something and not worried about getting caught.
For instance, my co-worker called me up the other day from his job to tell me that two secretaries got into a yelling match about whether or not Obama is black. I mean, that's just funny.
― B.L.A.M., Friday, 15 February 2008 18:28 (eighteen years ago)
as real people are
http://ninecooks.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/miraclewhip.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:29 (eighteen years ago)
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/2640600.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0ED5B9D53F8992D98095A5397277B4DC33E
― B.L.A.M., Friday, 15 February 2008 18:33 (eighteen years ago)
http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/19/2/AAAAAmv7JckAAAAAABkq7Q.jpg
― B.L.A.M., Friday, 15 February 2008 18:34 (eighteen years ago)
xxpost Ha, mayo is actually mentioned in History of White People in America. There's a gag in which the prototypical white family (the dad is played by Fred Willard) are having a backyard cookout, and they all come back inside to fetch their own personal jar of industrial-size mayo from the fridge.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:34 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.blue-tomato.at/pics/markenseiten/Volcom/volcom_0708.jpg
― B.L.A.M., Friday, 15 February 2008 18:35 (eighteen years ago)
The joke isn't in how it's describing white pplz at all though, it's more on the level of "To improve your social standing you will need to interact with people who are very strange by your standards. Here are the things you can say to them." Like: If you find yourself in an awkward silence with white people, just mention how you want to go to Japan. They will immediately begin talking about how their trip to Japan, or their favorite stuff from Japan, but it will be entirely about them. This is useful as you no longer have to talk, and they will like you for letting them talk about themselves.
They don't pull this tone off all the time, but I think it's a sort of more clever and subtle thing than folks are giving it credit for.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:37 (eighteen years ago)
This is true, but you can't be a one trick pony. Look - white people are HUGE targets for derisive humor, and deservedly so. I mean, I went to McDonald's yesterday for lunch, and the moms with their 2-4 year olds in the playground would have been FERTILE ground for humor.
I think I have a high bar for this type of comedy, though - if you're going to make fun of something, at least try to have something insightful in it, and then get all offensive.
― B.L.A.M., Friday, 15 February 2008 18:49 (eighteen years ago)
No offense, s.clove, but I think everybody gets it, as far as the tone, approach, humor style, etc. And sure, it's potentially funny, as any kind of humor is potentially funny. But this site is seldom strange, witty, insightful or suprising enough to actually make me laugh (did like the "breakfast" one). And I can't get around the fact that the underlying P.O.V disgusts me.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:50 (eighteen years ago)
Is it true that black people think white people smell like dogs?
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:55 (eighteen years ago)
Look - white people are HUGE targets for derisive humor, and deservedly so. I mean, I went to McDonald's yesterday for lunch, and the moms with their 2-4 year olds in the playground would have been FERTILE ground for humor.
I am offended by this.
― blueski, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:58 (eighteen years ago)
d00dz, this site isn't making fun of white people (mainly). and I'm not sure what the underlying pov is except some understandable cynicism about the limits of "multicultural" values.
And sometimes it seems like it's just bitter: <I>So why would white people spend all that time studying and working to get into college if they are just going to read books that they might have read in their free time? Because white people have it made. They can take that degree and easily parlay it into a non profit job, an art gallery job, or work in publishing. If the pay is low, no problem, their parents will happily help out with rent until they magically start making six figures or non-magically turn 40.</I>
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:58 (eighteen years ago)
I went to McDonald's yesterday for lunch, and the moms with their 2-4 year olds in the playground would have been FERTILE ground for humor.
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:58 (eighteen years ago)
^^^things black people like
― jhøshea, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:59 (eighteen years ago)
stuffthatwhitepeoplelikeonmycat.com
― bell_labs, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:00 (eighteen years ago)
I'm not sure what the underlying pov is
Middle class white liberals are idiots. Altruism is idiocy. All nonselfish values are the product of guilt.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:02 (eighteen years ago)
the other thing is that most of the folks who i know who are real into japanese iconography/art etc. are Momus black people ... so the satire is pretty imprecise. w/ something like this you realllly need to be precise with it and they're just not ...
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:02 (eighteen years ago)
add to my own xpost: I mean, if you can find me ten posts that don't reflect that idea-set on some level or another, I'll find you at least 50 that do. And I don't think you can. And my 50 will be pretty damn direct about it.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:05 (eighteen years ago)
awesome people like michael mcdonald.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:07 (eighteen years ago)
new thread: white people that black people like
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:08 (eighteen years ago)
there's a list in ego trip's big book of racism like that
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000Y47.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHvNpyDXVhZT1iYQd3jDLMeFZsQBA
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
-- kenan, Friday, February 15, 2008 1:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
not a new thread.
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:10 (eighteen years ago)
some of u are taking this too srsly CONTENDERIZER
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:11 (eighteen years ago)
theres an image thread somewhere in the archives of 'white people black people like'
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:11 (eighteen years ago)
http://images.salon.com/books/int/2002/02/20/clinton/story.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:12 (eighteen years ago)
Good. Because there were funnies there, the funniest of which was the fact that none of them would have found being made fun of reasonable or at all appropriate.
I also live in South Pasadena, one of the whitest places ever.
― B.L.A.M., Friday, 15 February 2008 19:13 (eighteen years ago)
Okay, yeah, I know. I quit. <tinfoilhat>But I half suspect the people who run this site view it as explicitly political. In addition to the funny, I mean.</tinfoilhat>
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
I half suspect that the people who run this site aren't white.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:17 (eighteen years ago)
Okay. I was wondering about that myself. But I don't think it matters at all, either way.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:18 (eighteen years ago)
this site actually a viral produced by obama's campaign
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:18 (eighteen years ago)
this thought brought to you by a misreading of HI DERE's last post
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:19 (eighteen years ago)
It would just be inviting more cl*sterf*ck to make an obama joke right now, wouldn't it?
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:19 (eighteen years ago)
Nah. The site already made that joke.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:22 (eighteen years ago)
this site actually a viral produced by obama's clinton's campaign
fixed
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:23 (eighteen years ago)
oh good another boring, straightforward gag
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:24 (eighteen years ago)
no wait guys it's actually Mike Gravel's personal blog
he's not trying to be funny at all, just making his own honest observations
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:25 (eighteen years ago)
Awesomes: White couples usually fight over who gets to read the Sunday Magazine first. How do we know this? They will tell us repeatedly about how they always fight over the Sunday magazine.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:25 (eighteen years ago)
I thought the NYT was how Asians keep in touch with their homeland.
― sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:28 (eighteen years ago)
white people be sensitive to criticism
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:29 (eighteen years ago)
contenderizer is seriously reminding me of Chris Elwood in how high.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:31 (eighteen years ago)
pretty lame, but I lol'd at this in the Whole Foods/ co-op bit:
These stores are excellent for bringing children, as there is nothing that they actually want.
“Oh, mommy, look chocolate!” “No Joshua, that’s carob.” “I want it.” “Ok.”
The child will then take a bite and realize that nothing in the store can be trusted.
― will, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:31 (eighteen years ago)
You know what's weird? I get more offended by criticism of the region of the country I live in more than criticism of my race.
Joaks about the Sunday magazine doesn't bother me, but "lol, of course they scream nigger in Nashville" does.
I'm not losing sleep over either though.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:32 (eighteen years ago)
I get more offended by criticism of the region of the country I live in more than criticism of my race
This is called "being white," surely
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:33 (eighteen years ago)
Or anyway "being part of the dominant ethnic majority"
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:34 (eighteen years ago)
you guys are really misreading contenderizer here
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:35 (eighteen years ago)
haha no one is complaining about white people getting made fun of
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
i think im plenty aware that as white folks we are quick to get butthurt about being clowned since we're not used to it but really this satire is wack and has underlying principles that have nothing to do w/ race and everything to do w/ really conservative values, its just using 'edgy' race humor as a disguise to get liberal readers agreeing w/ it. "if you don't agree why, you don't have a sense of humor! And may in fact not be racially sensitive!"
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
im less even "offended" and more "why does anyone think this played out sub-mencia shit is funny"
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:38 (eighteen years ago)
lololololololol really? "sub-mencia"?
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:40 (eighteen years ago)
"White people, always voting for John Kerry the latte liberal!!!"
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:40 (eighteen years ago)
"Isn't it funny how white people listen to Air America?"
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:41 (eighteen years ago)
"Caring about the environment, lolololol"
-- nabisco, Friday, February 15, 2008 1:33 PM (Friday, February 15, 2008 1:33 PM) Bookmark Link
Ha, maybe so. When I wrote "my race" upthread, I realized that I never really have to think about what race I am. No one looks at me funny; no one wants me to go back to my home country; I don't have to identify myself as a category on any regular basis.
It's like I'm so vanilla (har, watch your ribs from cracking) that my regionalism is the only thing that I can ever define myself as.
Anyway. I'm sure they shout ugly names in Boston, Jersey, and Idaho, too.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
sub-mencia is not a real concept, max
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
that is like saying 'below zero on the kelvin scale'
Oh man, I'm sorry PP, really. I meant no offense.
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKTDRqQtPO8
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
ok guys i will give you that this is funnier than mencia (white people like: hyperbole). it has its moments, esp. the ones sterling points out... i just cant really believe ppl are laughing at shit like "knowing whats best for poor people"--limbaugh makes that same joke six times a week just not gussied up in "clever race humor"
what am i missing here? is it funny cause its a blog?
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
I was born in the south and live in washington DC. I think about what race I am (and my sexual orientation) pretty much every fucking day I leave the house.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
Thanks, deej. Thing is, I don't see this site as laughing at white people at all, in any way. I see very specifically mocking liberals and liberal values. Period.
That's fine, lib values are a good target for laffs. But the site's "stupid liberals = white folks" thing bugs the hell out of me. As far as I'm concerned, that's twisted fucking racist bullshit.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
That might go a long way to explaining why this shit is dumb and obvious to me, I don't know. xpost.
i think about tom's sexual orientation every day too
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
Don't you mean ... BAJA-MENCIA? GET IT, BECAUSE HE'S HISPANIC?
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:45 (eighteen years ago)
most of those 'gang signs' are just the shucker
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:45 (eighteen years ago)
shocker, i mean. shucker is something totally different.
lol district whiteys
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
does that picture at the top have a dude in blackface kneeling in the center??
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
certainly seems to
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:48 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.niggaknow.com/
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:50 (eighteen years ago)
No harm, no foul, Que.
The majority of the people I see each day are white, but then again, I don't live in Washington D.C.
I hardly ever think about my sexual orientation or anyone else's. It's like thinking about my shoe size or something.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:51 (eighteen years ago)
I live in a gay neighborhood in a black town run by old money slave-owner ivy-legacy scum.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:53 (eighteen years ago)
And I'm also in a bad mood today this week for whatever reason.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:54 (eighteen years ago)
Did you guys ever notice how white people are really big on unions? whats the deal with that?
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
were you in a good mood last week???
xp
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
they're all "man, organized labor is the shit!!!"
stfu white people
― carne asada, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:58 (eighteen years ago)
ok I guess ppl are angry at things like this: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/ ?
because seriously. if you don't see what race has to do with it, or why it's not like rush or...
damn this thread is making me depressed.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 19:59 (eighteen years ago)
Stuff White People Like is now a .org!
Hopefully it brings us one step closer to MoveOn.org (one of the most beloved sites by white people)
― dan m, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:00 (eighteen years ago)
Hey guys I'm not really reading much of this thread or much of this blog, but ... whence the idea that this is seriously making fun of anyone? It's most likely to be read by people who chuckle fondly with recognition. This is no more making fun of anyone than it's an insult to pat your friend on the head and go "aww, you're such a dork." Those aren't teeth.
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:00 (eighteen years ago)
pretty sure it's just badly-executed satire. why be offended? traditional 'white people culture' is certainly as silly as shit, and due as hell for send-up.
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:01 (eighteen years ago)
Comparing sexual orientation to shoe size makes me uncomfortable, for some reason.
― Michael White, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:01 (eighteen years ago)
i am an eleven and a half of straightness
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:02 (eighteen years ago)
but my fallen arches are bisexual
more lulz: In white person law, if you meet someone at 80s night and then go out for breakfast the next morning, then you are automatically in a relationship. There are no exceptions.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:02 (eighteen years ago)
Hey guys I'm not really reading much of this thread or much of this blog, but ... whence the idea that this is seriously making fun of anyone?
i dont really see anyone getting mad at it making fun of anyone. i see people being like 'lol they've got our number' and people being like 'this is unfunny and its conservative values are suspect'
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:04 (eighteen years ago)
sterling, I'm just very tired of predictable privileged college kid behavior and predictable jokes about privileged college kid behavior. it really is essentially no different than making blanket women be shoppin gags or homos talk with a lisp shit and pretending that pointing these things out in 2008 is in any way useful, funny, fresh, illuminating, whatever, it's just aggravating. go have an argument about epistemology or some such shit.
traditional 'white people culture' is certainly as silly as shit, and due as hell for send-up.
oh yes I had noticed the utter dearth of satirical takes on the ruling class in our nation's history, thank god somebody finally stood up and took on the challenge
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:06 (eighteen years ago)
im not offended, just baffled by the idea that this is actually satirizing white culture--i have no problem laughing at well-done satire of "white culture," but this blog is neither a) well done or b) actually sending up "white culture." three quarters of the awareness weeks on my college campus are sponsored by non-whites; most of this shit i strongly identify with "liberals" of races rather than specifically whites.
maybe its because im in college and everyone is involved with a cause of some kind so it doesnt seem like a "white" thing?
xpost tom's right, this is "stuff college kids like" way more than "stuff white people like"
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:07 (eighteen years ago)
in fact, reading it as "stuff college kids like" makes it a lot funnier
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:08 (eighteen years ago)
What makes this even more appealing for white people is that you can raise “awareness” through expensive dinners, parties, marathons, selling t-shirts, fashion shows, concerts, eating at restaurants and bracelets.
yes, we all know how much black and latino people hate eating at restaurants!!!
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:09 (eighteen years ago)
only if you are given to laughing at college kids, though. once again my particular geographical issues cause me problems in this area
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:09 (eighteen years ago)
Deej I don't even see conservative values: this reads to me like standup about urban white bourgeois values that comes chucklingly from right WITHIN the urban white bourgeois world and mentality.
Unless "conservative" stems from the way you could interpolate sections of this into David Brooks's Bobos in Paradise book without anyone noticing
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:09 (eighteen years ago)
somebody had to eventually bring that book up on this thread. glad it was you and not me
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:10 (eighteen years ago)
Sorry, not "urban white bourgeois values" -- that should say "URBANE bourgeois HABITS"
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:10 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/english/nael/images/victorian/burden.jpg
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:10 (eighteen years ago)
in fact, reading it as "stuff college kids like" makes it a lot funnier <---- does not equal "makes this funny"
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:11 (eighteen years ago)
i think im plenty aware that as white folks we are quick to get butthurt about being clowned since we're not used to it 'lol they've got our number' I live in a gay neighborhood in a black town run by old money slave-owner ivy-legacy scum. Or this, on white people's supposed love of lawyers (suggesting that recourse to litigation is a "LOLWTF white people" kinda thing) three quarters of the awareness weeks on my college campus are sponsored by non-whites
White folks post like *this*.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:11 (eighteen years ago)
-- Michael White, Friday, February 15, 2008 2:01 PM (Friday, February 15, 2008 2:01 PM) Bookmark Link
I have a really long nose, too.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:11 (eighteen years ago)
i was gonna say, i'm pretty sure this site is written by white liberals, guys.
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:11 (eighteen years ago)
if the website was funny that would be one thing. like actually funny. like ha ha i am laughing at the internet funny.
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:11 (eighteen years ago)
c.lover otm about the breakfast post. Was talking about that upthread. Only one i actually laughted at. But, seriously, about half of them are just like "Awareness" in terms of what and/or how they're mocking.
And I finally get to say nabisco offtm. The satire is sometimes gentle, but a lot of the time it's bitter as hell. And the site reserves its bitterness for the liberal stuff.
It really is like indie Limbaugh.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:12 (eighteen years ago)
that comes chucklingly from right WITHIN the urban white bourgeois world and mentality
yea thats how i read it, granted i only read like 2 paragraphs then skimmed the rest of the post titles...
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:12 (eighteen years ago)
OTM Mr. Que
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:12 (eighteen years ago)
haha i dont know who the blog is written by but i think its the same person who writes the same "funny" op-ed in my college paper every week
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:13 (eighteen years ago)
also reading the comments is a pretty telling insight to the kind of person who finds this funny and OTM, fwiw
vice magazine thread 2008
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:13 (eighteen years ago)
If it's written by libs of any race, it's sick with self-loathing to the point where it implodes. If it's written by conservatives of any race, it's smug and nasty.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:13 (eighteen years ago)
(1 minute ago) (1 minute ago) (1 minute ago) (1 minute ago) (48 seconds ago) (44 seconds ago) (10 seconds ago)
race thread. friday. well done tracer!
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:14 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.dvdoutsider.co.uk/dvd/pix/m/me/metropolitan2.jpg
― C0L1N B..., Friday, 15 February 2008 20:14 (eighteen years ago)
i think its the same person who writes the same "funny" op-ed in my college paper every week
ha, that's one thing i love reading in a college paper, the op-eds.
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:14 (eighteen years ago)
when i first started reading it i assumed it was a nonwhite person's guide to funny things their white friends were doing that their nonwhite friends would identify with when hanging out w/ white people. Potentially funny. Then it started getting weird the more i read and the more disdain for liberal principles i.e. http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/62-knowing-whats-best-for-poor-people/
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:15 (eighteen years ago)
honestly tom, i don't think that garden-gnome middle-class white culture has taken nearly the share of knocks that most other ethnic/class groupings have been subjected to w/r/t comedy stylins
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:16 (eighteen years ago)
i should admit that when the "christian fellowship" on campus had a "homeless awareness" week where they slept in boxes in the quad (while using their laptops and eating at the dining hall) i wrote a "funny" op-ed
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:16 (eighteen years ago)
it seems to me it is mostly softball "knowing" wink-wink-nudge-nudge jokiness leveled at itself from the inside, in kind of a dissembling "see? we can take it too, and on the chin!" sort of way
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:17 (eighteen years ago)
This is about a million miles away from Vice Magazine, which is the actual indie Limbaugh.
xpost FUCK YOU TOM FOR GETTING THE VICE MENTION IN BEFORE ME, TYPICAL IMPERIALIST WHITE TYPING OPPRESSING THE BLACK MAN AS PER USUAL
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:17 (eighteen years ago)
-- max, Friday, February 15, 2008 2:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
homelessness is just like camping!
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
Dallas Phones You have a pretty funny site. Very creative. I’ve always wanted to hear white jokes too. Got a site for that?
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
max dan and deej all funnier than that website
I never took a laptop camping! Wow, white people have it good.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
so does the flickr page linked on the blog belong to the author?
― dan m, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:19 (eighteen years ago)
as a colombian, i can't go camping without my donkey and a bag of coke
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:19 (eighteen years ago)
it's not my fault you never watch television
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:20 (eighteen years ago)
Contenderizer, do you seriously think eye-rolling sniping at the commonplaces of your social peers equates to being against them? By that logic, ILM would constitute a hate crime against 20-something white people, perpetrated by 20-something white people.
I mean, there are a few of those that count totally be coming from a conservative, but I dunno, I'm not sure how much it matters to speculate. (Though I do think that if the root impulse here were a conservative one it would not waste so much time doing jokey things about shopping habits or frame it as "white people" to begin with, you know?)
If this thread is making your screen feel a little dirty, this link might help:
http://cache.valleywag.com/assets/resources/screenclean.swf
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:21 (eighteen years ago)
q: what did the white person get on his SATs?
a: ranch dressing
― bell_labs, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
if network television ever did anything cutting-edge or actually incisively cruel-funny i would take it behind the middle school ...
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.enotes.com/wasp/
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
you should start a blog linds
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
oh, c'mon deej, tell me this is not OTM: "It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things."
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
lol sorority girls + ranch dressing
Hey, I slept in a box on the quad one night in college!
― Laurel, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
i don't get the ranch dressing joke. am i too white or too old?
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:24 (eighteen years ago)
Wow remy, all that black people get is a standard-issue knife and the innate ability to dance.
(xpost: Remy you probably have seen this already but look up Christohper Titus's short-lived Fox sitcom, that was some deeply cruel, amazing shit almost on par with "Married: With Children". Actually most of Fox's sitcoms seem to be about satirizing white people. Oh, also check out "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" on FX. There's definitely a "lol white ppl" market out there in American comedy.)
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:25 (eighteen years ago)
-- s.clover, Friday, February 15, 2008 2:23 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
yeah but why is that impulse necessarily incorrect? Like, its wrong to assume that about ALL PEOPLE but i think its largely correct that a lot of the reasons for poverty = inequal access to education etc
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:26 (eighteen years ago)
uh
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:26 (eighteen years ago)
Sterling that is both
(a) not OTM, for boring subtle reasons this thread is not going to care about
(b) true and correct that most poor people are a lot like white people already, because they are white
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:27 (eighteen years ago)
it's possible i sorta unintentionally avoid network race comedies of any stripe (color?) because i find them mostly regressive and toothless and has-been?
i subscribe to the amiri baraka school of laffs, but i also think that george lopez is really funny. hmm...
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
How can that be not OTM and true at the same time, nabisco?
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
ignoring the fatal flaw of Nabisco's (b) the idea that poor people have fewer opportunities for advancement is not a 'white people thing'
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
boring and subtle reasons, DP
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
(uhhh to be clear i mean the fatal flaw that Nabisco pointed out IN (b), not that Nabisco's argument was flawed)
http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/Trading-Places--C10045389.jpeg "Are you suggesting a wager?"
― sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
(xp: "Titus" is one of the meanest comedies I've ever seen. If you have seen any of his standup, it's basically that translated directly into a show.)
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
Actually most of Fox's sitcoms seem to be about satirizing white people.
This is interesting to me, because for the majority of the population (i.e., white people) "white culture" is invisible and so I would imagine that whatever satire is intended falls flat. Whereas a show about black people is automatically "about" black culture simply by virtue of the fact that the subject is The Other. Or put it this way: to white people, "culture" is something that other people have.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:31 (eighteen years ago)
That's what bothers me, nabs. I don't know where the authors of the site are coming from. It presents itself as coming from w/in white culture, doing exactly what you and others say: self-mocking in a light-hearted way. But underneath that, there's this toxic level of National Lampoon, P.J. O'Rourke-style contempt for even the idea of altruistic values. The posts hammer this point relentlessly. The site is 100% ideologically consistent in this. At least Vice is conflicted. It may be fucked-up, but it doesn't seem agenda-driven.
This site attacks ONLY the liberal aspects of white bourgeois culture, and in doing so, it's perfectly happy to lump in liberal stuff that is no way specifically white. Non-profits are LOL-whitey? They're 95% white (as that entry "jokes")? The secret truth is that people who work for non-profits get paid crazy dollars? WTF? None of that makes any sense as anything other than a direct attack on liberal values, white or otherwise.
Site is fucked-up. Fact that it presents itself as something other than what it is makes it worse.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:32 (eighteen years ago)
That last one re: Nabisco, obv.
"attacks"
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:33 (eighteen years ago)
site attacks ONLY the liberal aspects of white bourgeois culture
is craseee
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:35 (eighteen years ago)
lol the non-profit i worked for for the past 2 years was african-american and the staff was largely african american!!! The thing is, not only is this agenda conservative but it pulls all the teeth from the satire by being wholly inaccurate ... activist kids @ max's school are multi ethnic, i worked for a black-operated non-profit, the presumption that white people 'like going to restaurants' (uhhh ... doesnt everyone??) so its not like the only problem is its political views, its that those views interfere w/ accuracy which keeps it from being funny.
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:35 (eighteen years ago)
for boring subtle reasons this thread is not going to care about
I care, and am curious, and anyway when has that stopped you before?
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:35 (eighteen years ago)
contenderizer: possibly the site is only talking about one aspect here because the whole point is "how to talk to white people and get them to like you" and vis a vis other sorts of folks the answer is the pretty much un-lulz: "don't try. they won't."
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:36 (eighteen years ago)
It presents itself as coming from w/in white culture, doing exactly what you and others say: self-mocking in a light-hearted way.
If you look at the linked flickr site, it becomes pretty quickly obvious that is exactly what it is doing. At least it seems that way to me.
― dan m, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:36 (eighteen years ago)
c'mon man, expensive sandwiches.
― sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:36 (eighteen years ago)
In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things
i guess what makes me mildly annoyed by this is that if this sentence is satirical--i.e. if it's placed up there for ridicule--than the opposite point is the non-ridiculous point: "poor people make the choices they do because its bred in them." i KNOW that the defense is "they just mean going to wal-mart instead of whole foods" but its hard not to read that as "poor people choose to be poor," which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. im not offended, this dude isnt running for president, im just irritated and confused by the idea that this blog is "funny."
but apparently objecting to it just makes me as clueless and white as the objects of satire
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:37 (eighteen years ago)
It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things.
-- quoted by s.clover
Thing is, replace "white" in that with "middle-class liberal" and it begins to make sense. It's not a white thing. White conservatives don't feel that way. Non-white liberals often do.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:39 (eighteen years ago)
for the sake of community, let's turn this into a food thread
― sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
there are about 900 photographs of food on that flickr so we could start there
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
than the opposite point is the non-ridiculous point: "poor people make the choices they do because its bred in them."
wtf dude. Do you have one of those mats where you jump to conclusions?
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:41 (eighteen years ago)
I think the site intends to do what it suggests. But the nasty political shit seeps in somehow or other. Maybe it's intentional, maybe not, but that doesn't matter in the end.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:41 (eighteen years ago)
wow i actually vastly underestimated that number xposts to me
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:41 (eighteen years ago)
xpost to my self :Perhaps they make the choices they do for all of the complex reasons that people make choices.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:42 (eighteen years ago)
It's more of a trampoline, Kenan.
― Laurel, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:42 (eighteen years ago)
you guys make me want to go all 'thinking gives you wrinkles'
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:42 (eighteen years ago)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1065/717485913_90d96516f4.jpg?v=0 salmon burger, beef burger would eat
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:43 (eighteen years ago)
Haha contenderizer it's possible that one of the differences we have is that you're giving these people the benefit of the doubt in terms of being politically coherent
Whereas my opinion of white people talking about "white people" stuff, especially when it's meant to be funny, especially when it's a blog, is that things tend not to be particularly thought-through
Re: poor people -- what Max said, basically. And the boring/subtle part is that the belief is not actually what's outlined there, and more the perfectly sensible belief that things like education and economic opportunity change things and problems that actually MATTER to the poor, like crime and illness and so on. Urbane young liberals do not necessarily imagine that educating and providing opportunities to the poor will make everyone like Feist or something, they imagine that it'll create meaningful and constructive benefits in their life. And again, what Max said: one unappealing alternative is the belief that all the negative aspects of poverty exist because poor people are irredeemable (non-white) low-lifes who just like it that way and can't be helped
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:43 (eighteen years ago)
jeez guys im not dragging that out of nowhere! "bred into them" is harsh language, i guess? but im using the same rhetoric about the poor thats been slung around for the last 15 years or whatever... "poor people choose to be poor"
xp yes
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:44 (eighteen years ago)
Urbane young liberals do not necessarily imagine that educating and providing opportunities to the poor will make everyone like Feist or something,
also this is a good joke about white people
http://www.alcorngallery.com/LC/images/PortraitOfDorianGray.jpg
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:44 (eighteen years ago)
make everyone like Feist
LOL
― sleep, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:44 (eighteen years ago)
nabisco i dont think hes inferring political coherency, just that the ultimate effect is conservative whether or not the intent is there
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:46 (eighteen years ago)
this is like a totally unwinnable fight for me though isnt it, because the more i object the more i look like that guy who just doesnt "get it"
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:46 (eighteen years ago)
that salmon burger omg
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:46 (eighteen years ago)
I got some cheap lols out of this even though I'm pretty much the target (I drive a Prius, yr fuckin right; I recycle, yr fuckin right; Whole Foods, check; I chow down at all kindsa restaurants and if that's cultural tourism well then don't eat there proud class warrior, that's more food for me)
it seems gentle enough, I think it's generally a healthy thing to make fun of what's culturally construed as "whiteness." Politically incoherent? sure fine, I don't guess I'm on the internet looking for political coherence nor providing same. Cheap lols @ "expensive sandwiches," hell yes thank you.
― J0hn D., Friday, 15 February 2008 20:49 (eighteen years ago)
http://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~msrex/images/how/exasperated.gif
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:51 (eighteen years ago)
ok yeah the quote is sort of conflating class/race as does the site. let's acknowledge that, acknowledge that this is sort of understandable, and move on.
but vis a vis feist, come ON ppl: Why does black people never want to rock?
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:51 (eighteen years ago)
Note: this makes me want to start an "explaining the Midwest" blog that is all about various definitions of "salad" and adults drinking milk with dinner
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:52 (eighteen years ago)
salad hierarchy
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:52 (eighteen years ago)
Guess what I paid for a sandwich at lunch today. Just guess.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:52 (eighteen years ago)
i would read that blog
xpost 8 bucks kenan
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:53 (eighteen years ago)
you should do it, nabs
(esp. since i'm a midwesterner who has no idea what you're talking about)
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:53 (eighteen years ago)
why dont black people really like any music other than black music?
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:53 (eighteen years ago)
Deej said what I wanted to. Plus exasperation. Ultimate effect is SUPER conservative. The equation of core liberal values (present in liberals and progressives of every race) w/ the foibles of "goofy-ass, guilt-ridden, expensive-sandwich-eatin' white folks" seems shitty to me.
But sure, on it's own, the expensive sandwich thing = gold.
And yeah, giant salmon burger. Fucking eat it now.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:53 (eighteen years ago)
I think you can kind of infer from the blog the viewpoint of a non-white person in a gentrifying neighborhood or something along those lines, hence "white people" = the kind of liberal upwardly mobile white people you find in a major northeast city.
Anyway, wau at this thread. I just thought it was kind of funny. It's not the most brilliant social satire I've ever read or anything, but I think it's way too silly and broad to be taken this seriously.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:55 (eighteen years ago)
8 bucks kenan
YES!
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:55 (eighteen years ago)
deej you really think this is, like, unhealthily conservative? what are the negative effects of this? does it contribute to the further oppression of rich white Prius-drivers? are you against cheap LOLs? I myself cannot afford the high-minded LOLs as I spent all my money on this delicious sandwich
― J0hn D., Friday, 15 February 2008 20:56 (eighteen years ago)
what in god's name are you guys still arguing about
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 February 2008 20:56 (eighteen years ago)
hurting otm, my objection to it is that it's poorly written most of the time, and makes me want to fix it somehow for more lols.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
EVERYBODY GO AND WATCH THE PINEAPPLE EXPRESS TRAILER AND STFU
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 February 2008 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
max: its hard not to read that as "poor people choose to be poor,"
I read it as "white people assume that what they do are the right things, and that anyone who does otherwise is ignorant; whereas it's plausible that what they're doing isn't right, and that one could reasonably choose to do otherwise (e.g. shop at Wal-Mart)." Their way is funnier.
― Euler, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
jordan s your attempts at being me are poorly executed and reek of crypto-conservatism
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
holy shit dudes when did friday afternoon bullshitting become such a big deal
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
there are more people complaining about this thread than actually talking about it
attacking/satirising: Divorce (lack of family values) Recycling, Prius, Bicycles (caring about the environment) Japan, Asian Food, Sushi (positive attitudes to non-white culture) Marijuana, Whole Foods, Natural Medicines, The Daily Show (hippies) etc etc seems pretty ultra-conservative to me.
and it's missing "Melody and harmony"
― never acid again, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:59 (eighteen years ago)
I myself cannot afford the high-minded LOLs as I spent all my money on this delicious sandwich.
Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:59 (eighteen years ago)
hey everyone! look! futurama quotes!
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:00 (eighteen years ago)
-- J0hn D., Friday, February 15, 2008 2:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
max is otm this just turns into 'u mad lol'
i dont get lols from this, the satire is bad i dont give a shit about rich white prius drivers. this is totally picking up on the conservative meme of the latte liberal - it wouldn't be bad if it was just making fun of folks who drive a prius and drink @ starbucks but instead it ties in shit about activism, environmentalism, liberal economics ... the whole thing nabisco and max were just discussing.
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:01 (eighteen years ago)
ha ha i knew how much kenan's sandwich cost because I AM WHITE
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:01 (eighteen years ago)
now im just mad that people think i take this seriously or am uptight about it
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:02 (eighteen years ago)
also yeah jordan stfu no one cares about your stoner comedy*
*lie
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:02 (eighteen years ago)
humor should not require peer pressure to be funny
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:03 (eighteen years ago)
indeed. There is also a subtle law of economics at work. Eight dollars is the most you can charge for something you call a "sandwich" without giving the impression that you're gouging. A nine dollar sandwich is a non starter.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:04 (eighteen years ago)
humor should be funny, like expensive sandwiches. that's funny.
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:04 (eighteen years ago)
nine dollar sandwich is an entree
UNLESS! You're sitting down to eat it. But nine dollars is too much for something you carry away in a paper sack.
xpost exactly
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:05 (eighteen years ago)
nine dollar sandwich better come with some damn sides.
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:05 (eighteen years ago)
nine dollar sandwich, i want mashed potatoes and some veggies
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:06 (eighteen years ago)
i had a $7.50 catfish sandwich (w/po boy toppings) last night! overpriced (but delicious).
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:06 (eighteen years ago)
oh for a fish sandwich 7.50 seems okay
jordan otm -- nine dollars = overstuffed pastrami AND potato salad. Ten is acceptable if there's also a Cel-Ray in the deal.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:07 (eighteen years ago)
But that's not strictly "white people" food, is it? ;)
i had a $13 burger last night
― max, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:07 (eighteen years ago)
but it was GOOD
goddammit i need a paycheck
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:08 (eighteen years ago)
Again, deej OTM. Pointing out & discussing the weird, conservative spin to this site isn't the same as getting all bent out of shape about it.
Is it some big threat or evil? Is anything threatened? Fuck no. It's just lame comedy.
Carry on w/ sandwiches. Probably better Friday thread idea in the first place.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:08 (eighteen years ago)
plus OTM about paycheck
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:09 (eighteen years ago)
I had a long let's-talk-turkey thing for you deej but I think short answers are the way to go
everybody otm about how it's badly written but some of it's funny anyway
― J0hn D., Friday, 15 February 2008 21:10 (eighteen years ago)
I am now gonna drive my Prius down to the FedEx place to get a working visa app for Australia sent off *
*100% true
mmmm turkey sandwich with munster and homemade mayo is what i have been rocking lately
― Mr. Que, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:11 (eighteen years ago)
I been rockin' Tofurkey with sharp white cheddar, cukes, and dill mustard. Fuck the haters.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:12 (eighteen years ago)
Nah. Not buying it. Just as easily seen as making fun of the uncomfortable alliance between privilege and social responsibility, with a couple "lol sheep all do the same thing" thrown in. It's got good comedy potential.
― kenan, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:14 (eighteen years ago)
im totally down with clowning j0hn for driving a prius btw
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:15 (eighteen years ago)
making fun of the uncomfortable alliance between privilege and social responsibility
yeah not arguing with that, but isn't that pretty much the content of every cartoon in the 'batshit mental rightwing cartoon' thread?
― never acid again, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:23 (eighteen years ago)
oh jesus fucking christ
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:23 (eighteen years ago)
I've been among the guiltiest of parties on this thread, but now it has to die. Please just let it die.
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:25 (eighteen years ago)
Here's that "great sandwich place" in Manhattan: http://www.columbine229.com/menu.html plenty of nine-dollar options, line out-the-door, good breeding, etc
― sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:27 (eighteen years ago)
as someone who grew up in rural south carolina and now lives in downtown atlanta, the idea that white people are into this shit and black people arent is like dr morbius level crazy
― and what, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:27 (eighteen years ago)
I see my shift relief has arrived
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:28 (eighteen years ago)
I Ate Sushi in Buckhead (True Story)
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:29 (eighteen years ago)
race threads don't die; they just get less insightful and less funny (if there is any funny to begin with) until they drop off the new answers page. Then revived 6 months later during kerfuffle on another, often unrelated thread.
xxposts
― will, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
parties
― gabbneb, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
cake
where is the midwest thread, did anyone start that?
― daria-g, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
doug feith
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:32 (eighteen years ago)
It's especially funny when people do this to me about Jewish culture because 1) A lot of times they know more about it than I do and 2) Damnit, I'm white too and your using my own game against me!
― Hurting 2, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:32 (eighteen years ago)
-- and what, Friday, February 15, 2008 3:27 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
fuckin thank you
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:33 (eighteen years ago)
on that tip, I have to mention that h3nry louis g4tes in harvard yard in tight spandex shorts with his bike = indelibly burned into my brain.
― s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:44 (eighteen years ago)
omigod generalizations aren't true
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:46 (eighteen years ago)
lol @ skip gates in spandex
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:47 (eighteen years ago)
-- remy bean, Friday, February 15, 2008 3:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
omg generalizations are wholly inaccurate
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:50 (eighteen years ago)
omg if someone started the blog with any other ethnic descriptor besides "white" in between stuff & people this thread would have been locked about 350 posts ago
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:54 (eighteen years ago)
I liked the part of Gates's gene-tracing project where he turned out to be mostly European, and the only plausible viewer reaction seemed to be "duh, we saw your parents earlier in the broadcast"
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:56 (eighteen years ago)
I've been thinking about starting a "Youtube videos of giggly white adolescents doing fad hip-hop dances" thread but the spirit has not yet moved me to do so.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:56 (eighteen years ago)
numa numa yay
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:57 (eighteen years ago)
haha Hurting it would be kinda crepey
― deej, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:57 (eighteen years ago)
THINGS WHITE PEOPLE LIKE A LIST BY KANTLIPS
1. BEVERAGES
― KANTLIPS, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:58 (eighteen years ago)
OTM!
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 21:58 (eighteen years ago)
2. COMFORTABLE SHOES
― KANTLIPS, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:00 (eighteen years ago)
Also in that thing Oprah was a little smug about being the only person with no detectable European background at all
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:00 (eighteen years ago)
Tom Joyner has been an incredible treat throughout the entire broadcast of the second series. Ditto Chris Rock.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:01 (eighteen years ago)
4. GOING #2
― KANTLIPS, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:03 (eighteen years ago)
I'm sad, I haven't caught any of the second one! Did we ever have a thread on the first part? I feel like I remember talking about the photo of the Chris Tucker ancestor where it looked basically like a staged pic of Chris Tucker in period costume. Also all of Chris Tucker's sisters.
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:03 (eighteen years ago)
just to make the experience complete I attempted to post to this thread from my iPhone while picking up Chinese takeout but I couldn't remember my password so no go
― J0hn D., Friday, 15 February 2008 22:05 (eighteen years ago)
I would make a similar joke about my afternoon, but I kinda had Popeye's for lunch
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:06 (eighteen years ago)
I didn't actually see the first part. The second part features:
Tina Turner Maya Angelou Don Cheadle (ancestors were enslaved by Native Americans! wau) Chris Rock Tom Joyner (aka everyone's incredibly comical cousin) the daughter of the dude who founded Johnson publishing the daughter of a big-time book editor who passed for white some random woman whose ancestors were owned by a man who was the cousin of the man who owned Skip's ancestors (!!!) probably someone I'm forgetting
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:07 (eighteen years ago)
OH Morgan Freeman is who I'm forgetting!
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:09 (eighteen years ago)
5. I JUST REMEMBERED A OLD JOKE I HEARD ONCE WHERE THE PERSON MAKING THE JOKE ASKE THE OTHER PEOPLE "WHO HAS TWO THUMBS AND LIKES TO HAVE BLOWJOBS" AND THE ANSWER IS "WHITE PEOPLE"
― KANTLIPS, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:09 (eighteen years ago)
One time a black kid in one of my high school music classes started going off about how black drummers always have tons of drums and white drummers have like two drums and twenty cymbals (after which he imitated a white drummer bashing lots of cymbals.) It was not-really-true-yet-funny in a similar way to this blog.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:10 (eighteen years ago)
I'm the only one who heard "fourth-great-grandparents" as "fourth-grade-grandparents," twice, rite?
― gabbneb, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:11 (eighteen years ago)
Which region of America has the "whitest" white people? I can see arguments being made for New England, the Midwest, the South, California, the Pacific Northwest...
― dell, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:12 (eighteen years ago)
Tight pussy, loose shoes, three-dollar-fifty-cent bag of "Kettle Chips"
― sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:12 (eighteen years ago)
Haha hurting, if I had to put forth a stereotype based on drums & cymbals, I would have said the opposite!
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:13 (eighteen years ago)
white rockers have a million drums, black gospel chops dudes have 8 million little splash and china cymbals.
sexydancer wins. Lock thread.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:14 (eighteen years ago)
You should see about getting the first one when this one ends! If nothing else, it completely explains Chris Tucker's personality -- there's a segment with a Sunday meal in the Tucker house, which is just a gaggle of awesome older sisters coming over from church and treating him like funny little nuisance brother. And Mae Jemison turns out to be part southeast Asian and is all like "OMG I was in Cambodia once and people kept saying I must be from there!" And Oprah's not European at all and goes "hmmph I knew it," and Gates is mostly European and yes, you're like "quit acting surprised, your dad looks kinda like Eddie Murphy playing the old Jewish guy in Coming to America and your mom is even lighter."
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:19 (eighteen years ago)
You should see Tom Joyner's family, then!
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:22 (eighteen years ago)
They make most of Skip's family look burple.
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:23 (eighteen years ago)
I want to see Gates's parents now. I think I still have a copy of Colored People at home.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:24 (eighteen years ago)
Does the "kinda" dislclaimer mean you immediately vomited after consuming an initial biscuit?
― dell, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:25 (eighteen years ago)
I looked for a picture to refresh my memory, but can't find anything. Jaymc? Their names are Henry Louis Gates Sr. (obv) and Pauline Coleman Gates.
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:27 (eighteen years ago)
Ha, you think I didn't google that already?
― jaymc, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
I think there are some photos in Colored People, is what I'm saying.
They also seem awesome, and suddenly I hope nobody ever googles them and arrives on this thread
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
lolololololololololol
― HI DERE, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
i hope barack obama never googles himself
― and what, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:30 (eighteen years ago)
Completely and totally irrelevant, but I would like to state for the record that I'm all about peremptory vomiting.
― dell, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:30 (eighteen years ago)
leave my mom out of this-- skipg4tes, Friday, February 15, 2008 5:52 PM (20 minutes from now) Bookmark Link
-- skipg4tes, Friday, February 15, 2008 5:52 PM (20 minutes from now) Bookmark Link
― nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:31 (eighteen years ago)
[ban me] [ban me] [ban me], jr
― and what, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:32 (eighteen years ago)
It's a peculiar kind of fun reading threads about things I briefly enjoyed but not too much, because then the overreactions on both sides and the posturing while sniffing around a position of respectable distaste and the wounded reasonableness and the in-every-internet-thread-ever-ness of the whole thing is neither aggravating nor potentially ruinous of my enjoyment of the subject matter and I get to laugh at the witty comments and zingers and then move on and quietly forget most of it.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Saturday, 16 February 2008 00:37 (eighteen years ago)
blogger
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 16 February 2008 00:41 (eighteen years ago)
http://cache.trafficmp.com/adv/m0/22/gfb_ipod_touch_survey_souljaboy_crank_728x90.gif
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 01:17 (eighteen years ago)
Which region of America has the "whitest" white people? I can see arguments being made for New England, the Midwest, the South, California, the Pacific Northwest...-- dell
-- dell
Colorado. That's where SoCal's white flight seems to have ended up.
― naus, Saturday, 16 February 2008 01:36 (eighteen years ago)
-- Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, February 15, 2008 6:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
ehh i still think when it turns out this was some republican experiment like obama girl you guys will all feel pretty foolish
― deej, Saturday, 16 February 2008 02:00 (eighteen years ago)
I'd feel better if you narrowed that down to "Colorado Springs" or something. Besides, much of the state is decent about living with a big Chicano history and presence and culture without being huge reactionary weirdos about it!
― nabisco, Saturday, 16 February 2008 02:29 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.loosescrews.net/merch/tshirts/Walmart%20on%20girl%202.jpg
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 02:59 (eighteen years ago)
That's #1.
2. loose shoes
― kenan, Saturday, 16 February 2008 03:19 (eighteen years ago)
http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/4/2/15/f_walmartm_38d3209.jpg
― I DIED, Saturday, 16 February 2008 03:30 (eighteen years ago)
gah that genuinely horrified me at first glance
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 03:30 (eighteen years ago)
you should be drunker xp
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 February 2008 03:32 (eighteen years ago)
snorg girl way hotter
― deej, Saturday, 16 February 2008 03:45 (eighteen years ago)
I'm sad, I haven't caught any of the second one! Did we ever have a thread on the first part?
-- nabisco, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:03 (Yesterday) Link
it was wisely called on account of manalishi.
Skip Gates' African-American Lives
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 03:49 (eighteen years ago)
Yes. Also strangely more off-putting.
― kenan, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:02 (eighteen years ago)
drudgesirens
squirrel police isnt manalishi, right?
― deej, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:07 (eighteen years ago)
about as dumb
oh i'm not sure. some dipshit.
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:09 (eighteen years ago)
I wish I could get milk with dinner. I had heat-lamp Indian food (2 entrees for $5) for lunch and was way sad I couldn't have some milk.
When are you supposed to drink milk if not at every fucking meal and in between meals?
― Abbott, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:16 (eighteen years ago)
with cookies!
― latebloomer, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:20 (eighteen years ago)
I have a milk and a whiskey sour on my desk right now.
― Abbott, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:21 (eighteen years ago)
Some white people like me FWIW. I met one today, we were cool.
― Abbott, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:23 (eighteen years ago)
i connected with a white storeclerk today over the lack of pay phones in Los Angeles. We ended up acting out some 'where u at' cell phone commercials and he would have let me use the phone there but he said he was about to close and the safe was already locked.
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:28 (eighteen years ago)
They keep their phone in the safe?
― Abbott, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:29 (eighteen years ago)
just reminiscing on race comedy i have known, don't mind me.
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:37 (eighteen years ago)
i must state for the record though blackpeoplelikeus >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff whitepeoplelike, insofar as at least there's a discernible target. I don't know who I'm agreeing with when I say this but stuffwhitepeoplelike comes off alternately conservative/lazy/ironically self-aggrandizing/blandly inscrutable depending on how much thought one wants to put into it.
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 04:58 (eighteen years ago)
no question
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 05:01 (eighteen years ago)
that blackpeopleloveus >>>> this, I mean
'ironically self-aggrandizing'(+ laden with shitty assumptions) if the creators do turn out to be white liberals, that is.
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 05:02 (eighteen years ago)
... -- Hurting 2, Friday, February 15, 2008 3:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
Actually this,
Using this to your advantage can be very difficult as attempts to talk about the books they skimmed while hungover can expose you. It is best to say that you were a first generation college student and your parents demanded that you study math, chemistry, economics or computer science. You had to read Joyce on your own.
makes it seem pretty likely that the author is a child of immigrants, perhaps south asian?
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 05:15 (eighteen years ago)
while we're at crazee speculation i'll guess canadian
― remy bean, Saturday, 16 February 2008 05:23 (eighteen years ago)
The other person I forgot from the geneology experiment was Peter Gomes, the reverend at Memorial Church at Harvard. He found out there was a significant amount of Jewish heritage in his family and was completely flummoxed.
― HI DERE, Saturday, 16 February 2008 08:06 (eighteen years ago)
So, based on my experience tonight, white people like free shots, free wine, and dance music, including, but not limited to "What is Love" by Haddaway. Furthermore, I have learned that white women are comfortable rubbing up against any old man crotch as long as there is a lap top, a wheel of steel, an ipod, and a female friend within arm's length. Me, I'm just there with the crotch, being like H to the izz-O, V to the izz-A...I do this for my culture.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Saturday, 16 February 2008 08:57 (eighteen years ago)
say what
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 09:00 (eighteen years ago)
that made me laugh even though i can't make a lick of sense of it.
― kenan, Saturday, 16 February 2008 09:20 (eighteen years ago)
no, wait... because
im having a hard time following it!!!...OMC my goodness (OMC=oh my crap)
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Saturday, 16 February 2008 09:24 (eighteen years ago)
stuff white ppl like.
(so very nsfw -- I downloaded a nice Sun Ra reissue, and this was the image that was labeled to be the album cover. I was shocked for a second, and then awed. And then I thought of this thread.)
― kenan, Saturday, 16 February 2008 10:37 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.marlerblog.com/06.23%20NPR-cvr.jpg
http://thecheckup.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/pbs_logo.jpg
― gr8080, Saturday, 16 February 2008 21:55 (eighteen years ago)
i don't get that last one, grady. pretty much everybody i know likes something on NPR.
― remy bean, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:02 (eighteen years ago)
whew, good catch remy ;\
― tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:13 (eighteen years ago)
Not this white person.
― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:25 (eighteen years ago)
Now if we're talking about K-107.9 The Screeching Eagle Classic Rock All Day Long FM, then there's something else that white people like.
― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
kenans gif otm
― max, Saturday, 16 February 2008 23:57 (eighteen years ago)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/nycsubwaymapforwhitepeople.jpg
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 17 February 2008 18:48 (eighteen years ago)
^uses the same definition of "white" as the blog.
― C0L1N B..., Sunday, 17 February 2008 18:57 (eighteen years ago)
not even. columbia is further uptown. imbeciles.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 February 2008 19:04 (eighteen years ago)
Haha, I didn't even notice that they stopped at 86th St on the west side. Also, what about Sunnyside?
― C0L1N B..., Sunday, 17 February 2008 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
i WISH all white people liked brand nubian
― M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 17 February 2008 19:18 (eighteen years ago)
remy bean a++ gold star. both bloggers turn out to be canadian, although one now lives in la.
― slugbuggy, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:04 (eighteen years ago)
everyone involved in that blog "eats lots of expensive sandwiches," if you know what i mean.
― slugbuggy, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:06 (eighteen years ago)
furthur research indicates that one of those guys is filipino. the other is the beardo redhead shown in the #64 recycling post.
redbeard is former/ disillusioned phd candidate in communication and culture, which explains the "field guide to white boho folks/ ethnographic studies" approach and the "boo libs" vibe. narcissism of small differences stuff or "withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy."
from blog entry on his myspace, re: pursuing an academic career:
However, I have another reason why so many people pursue this career (this is applied to the arts, not science), for many, it's the belief that you are the one saving the world, you are the one who is going to open the eyes of the undergrads and show them how racism is still alive, how capitalism works to exploit, how history has been subject, to make them question it all. To know that you are doing a profession that you would love to do if "the revolution" ever came about. It's all crap. Undergraduate students are like the rest of the world - they know about capitalism, they know about racism, but they don't give a shit - what are they going to do about it? what is the teacher going to do about it? Is telling/teaching enough? For many graduate students, that's the belief...and well, it's crap...
I think the only solution is for people to really recognize that a PhD is a license to a $35,000 a year job, a career where you pump out scholarship that has no impact on day to day life, and will most likely live somewhere you hate...or at the very least, will feel superior to those who are from that area...
― slugbuggy, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:13 (eighteen years ago)
so basically hes an idiot
― deej, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:18 (eighteen years ago)
his ennui is really boring
― deej, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:19 (eighteen years ago)
yeah, once I got to that entry I realized he could have just been any jerk I went to college with
― Hurting 2, Monday, 18 February 2008 06:18 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, I could understand becoming disillusioned with academia/intellectualism if I went on to write a toxic, extremely lazy raceblog that subsequently dwarfed all my serious work. (in terms of readership, amount of debate provoked, etc.)
Makes you wonder how good his serious work was.
― fields of salmon, Monday, 18 February 2008 06:49 (eighteen years ago)
'caring about shit is lame maaaan'
― deej, Monday, 18 February 2008 09:02 (eighteen years ago)
the wind in my heaaaaart
― max, Monday, 18 February 2008 09:06 (eighteen years ago)
the dust in my haaaand
maaaaaaaaaax
― deej, Monday, 18 February 2008 09:11 (eighteen years ago)
compare and contrast: http://www.aspentimes.com/article/2008198091324
I saw that on an automotive board where a couple promise keeper type dudes were like "I'm totally with this guy, except for the strip club part" and I'm like "lol you can't drill no oil well."
― Kerm, Sunday, 24 February 2008 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
I think it's funny.
lol, upper-middle class Americans.
― Bodrick III, Sunday, 24 February 2008 20:13 (eighteen years ago)
White Subway map making me LOL because I tried to use google streetview on my last two apartments and the only Bklyn streets so far photographed pretty much follow that map. Maybe they only put you on streetview in proportion to the number of mac users in yr hood?
― Laurel, Sunday, 24 February 2008 20:39 (eighteen years ago)
I don't thikn Crown Heights quite qualifies.
― Laurel, Sunday, 24 February 2008 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
When Al Sharpton comes on TV, leading some rally for reparations for slavery or some such nonsense, he bites his tongue and he remembers.
― max, Sunday, 24 February 2008 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
remembers waht?
definitely read that link as "aspietimes.com"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 February 2008 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rodriguez25feb25,0,1952462.column
― jaymc, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 18:18 (eighteen years ago)
I'm still lolling at are you against cheap LOLs? I myself cannot afford the high-minded LOLs as I spent all my money on this delicious sandwich
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:25 (eighteen years ago)
But he's doing so in a brave new world in which we're all becoming minorities, and nobody's really sure who's going to have the last laugh.
^^ what does this mean
― max, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2005-11/20390559.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2005-11/20390559.jpg http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2005-11/20390559.jpg
― Bodrick III, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:54 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2005-11/20390559.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2005-11/20390559.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2005-11/20390559.jpg
We get it-you like the picture.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:00 (eighteen years ago)
Bodrick III:that picture::Bill Magill:prostitutes
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:02 (eighteen years ago)
stuff white teeth like
― Kerm, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:03 (eighteen years ago)
Sweet call dude. You taking a break from googling nude pics of the Ultimate Warrior?
xpost
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:04 (eighteen years ago)
lol white subway map phew i just barely made it on there!
― jhøshea, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:06 (eighteen years ago)
I have never lived on white subway map in my 5 years in NY city limits. Publishing salary.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:08 (eighteen years ago)
-- Bill Magill, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:00
ALL white people like that picture. It's a thing we have, like expensive sandwiches or Radiohead.
― Bodrick III, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 23:38 (eighteen years ago)
Guy behind the blog was on NPR today.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=33372288
― naus, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 07:27 (eighteen years ago)
"ALL white people like that picture. It's a thing we have, like expensive sandwiches or Radiohead."
I'm white and I find it just mediocre.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 15:10 (eighteen years ago)
lol my local pbs staion, tpt2, is showing a clash documentary for pledge drive
― gff, Monday, 3 March 2008 05:17 (eighteen years ago)
I think a lot of you are selling this stuff short. It IS genuinely funny and I am on the side of a large swath of the interwebs on that so nahh. While some of it is obviously reactionary, it doesn't have the conservative anti-liberal slant a lot of you pretend it does. At the very least, reading the entries on "diversity" I.E. diversity to white people = neato "ethnic" restaurants; White men's fetishization of Asian Women, non-threatening "black friends", "Being an expert on YOUR culture", "80's night" "the last time that pop music wasn’t infused with hip-hop or R n’ B stylings.", "Being the only white person around", "Gentrification", and Sarah Silverman's "politically incorrect" humor shows that he quite obviously isn't working from an orthodox conservative perspective that just thinks recycling is lame. In many ways he works from the exact opposite perspective.
The rest of the site is a mixture of poking gentle fun at some funny things white people do "standing still at concerts" "the outdoors" "home renovations" from a genuinely loving perspective, and skewering a lot of the behaviors of white bougoise culture from a class based perspective that is a lot more bitter. The class based rather than politically based (as some bitter readers pretend) antagonism of the posts is also pretty obvious. Much of the stuff he's riffing on I.E. "designer furniture", "kitchen gadgets", "Asian Fusion Food", "Indie Music" "Gifted Schools" "an astounding 100% of white kids are gifted! Isn’t that amazing?" have no obvious progressive-conservative political corollary. When he does riff on 'progressive' things, like Prius driving, "Alternative Medicine" , Recycling, Non Profits etc, it's as they are aspects of the white bougoise culture. The only judgment values he submits for these things is to ponder A: whether there is measured difference between the degree to which these actions make bougoise white people feel good about themselves, fulfill their savior complexes, and the positive impact the actions actually have B: Propose the idea that bougoise whites gain a utility from these actions that isn't altogether altruistic, and C: Deal with the improbable yet scary proposition that bougoise whites commitment to these values might be shallower than they let on.
It's essentially a Veblenian critique of the modern urbane class with added features supposing to argue that those 'progressive' features that one doesn't classically associate with the leisure class have Veblenian aspects as well. I don't know whether he's right or not, but the idea that he's some modern coastal PJ O'Rourke making "LOLvegan" jokes may be more comforting, but it quite obviously isn't true.
The best part of the site is not the entries but the comments by people of color in the comment boxes.
― DustinR, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:02 (eighteen years ago)
Stuff white people like: 400 word posts that I don't read
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:03 (eighteen years ago)
Ah ha ha, it's true, it's true! We're so lame!
― latebloomer, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:07 (eighteen years ago)
I used a fork instead of chopsticks at lunch today!
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
I laughed pretty hard at #4- assists (well, the title, anyway. I know I like assists!)
― Will M., Monday, 3 March 2008 19:25 (eighteen years ago)
Agree with what appears to be Dustin's basic sentiment. The blog isn't conservative, it's about not being liberal enough.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:26 (eighteen years ago)
the blog is about shooting fish in a barrel
― max, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:26 (eighteen years ago)
"assists" is pretty funny though
"Being An Expert About YOUR Culture" is also pretty funny.
― HI DERE, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:27 (eighteen years ago)
#75 Threatening to Move to Canada
ohsnap
― HI DERE, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:29 (eighteen years ago)
In the middle of a semi-serious argument with my white-person roommate about whether expensive biodegradable trash bags would make fuck-all of a difference to the environment, I made her read the entry about recycling. She stormed away in a fit of self-recognition.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:33 (eighteen years ago)
Wow good thing you showed her, otherwise you might have done some small but useful thing for teh envarnment.
― Laurel, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
I'm not sure what good biod. bags do once they're in a landfill where nothing is supposed to get oxygen or break down, so y'know, whatevs, but why be a jerk?
― Laurel, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:38 (eighteen years ago)
because only white people are nice to other people
― max, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:38 (eighteen years ago)
If you are in a situation where a white person produces an empty bottle, watch their actions. They will first say “where’s the recycling?” If you say “we don’t recycle,” prepare for some awkwardness. They will make a move to throw the bottle away, they will hesitate, and then ultimately throw the bottle away. But after they return look in their eyes. All they can see is the bottle lasting forever in a landfill, trapping small animals. It will eat at them for days, at this point you should say “I’m just kidding, the recycling is under the sink. Can you fish out that bottle?” And they will do it 100% of the time!
― gff, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:39 (eighteen years ago)
I'm not particularly proud of myself, but I think that at times people think that six-bucks-for-twelve trashbags that are made of corn are a lot more useful than they actually are, which is basically what this blog is about.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:40 (eighteen years ago)
100 safe heroes for people who enjoy stereotyping the culture consumption of others and then rolling their eyes about how tiresome and predictable it is
^^^^ this is much better than that guy's blog ok?
― El Tomboto, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:40 (eighteen years ago)
uh, no
I mean, I'm clearly way more into self-satisfied "Look, we're the funniest fuckers alive!" than anyone on this board besides Hoos and it's pretty apparent to me that that thread is incredibly boring.
― HI DERE, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
That thread could have been classic, never quite got off the ground.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
Yes but with the exception of Varg Vikernes, I don't recognize anyone on that thread. And I only know who he is from ILX last week. xxxp
― Laurel, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
I just think saying "Thorstein Veblen" to the tune of DP's "Teachers" is fun, ok?
― El Tomboto, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:56 (eighteen years ago)
Tombot finds absurdist list humor far more rewarding than white urbanite seinfeld bloggery - what's up with that? Find out on Hardball with Chris Matthews, tonight on MSNBC
― El Tomboto, Monday, 3 March 2008 20:00 (eighteen years ago)
SWPL: MSNBC
I liked this:
Water seems like a fairly simple concept. You turn on the tap, put glass underneath, and drink. Sadly, it is not this simple for white people.
On the whole, they are unable to put a glass under a tap and just drink. In fact, this is such a strange concept that the city of New York had to launch a rather large PR campaign to show white people that it was possible to actually drink the water that comes out of the tap!
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 04:13 (eighteen years ago)
Should white guy / asian girl marry, they produce hybrids that are atheistically pleasing, but are very annoying. This practice is also a means by which white people can catch up to the asian peoples in the population race, as most of the hybrids often act white rather than asian.
"annoying"
― felicity, Friday, 7 March 2008 21:52 (seventeen years ago)
atheistically? Ye gods!
― Michael White, Friday, 7 March 2008 21:54 (seventeen years ago)
no, no gods
― remy bean, Friday, 7 March 2008 21:55 (seventeen years ago)
truth bomb
― felicity, Friday, 7 March 2008 21:57 (seventeen years ago)
as most of the hybrids often act white rather than asian.
makes me think they are petroleum/fuel-cell powered
― remy bean, Friday, 7 March 2008 21:58 (seventeen years ago)
we are
― felicity, Friday, 7 March 2008 21:59 (seventeen years ago)
hence the nascar fetish for unadulterated high octane kineticism obv
― El Tomboto, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:01 (seventeen years ago)
felicity you sound butthurt, this site is HILARIOUS
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:02 (seventeen years ago)
jk i'll stop being a jerk about this now
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
Is that an April Fool's joke? I LOVE it!
― felicity, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
priuses in a dodge charger world
― El Tomboto, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
im actually one of this 'humor' site's fervent haters, i was being sarcastic
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
we got it, thx
― remy bean, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:06 (seventeen years ago)
wow, i sound bitchy. maybe it is because i am a half-caste colombian
i thought felicity didnt so it required further clarification
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:07 (seventeen years ago)
oh man the police version of the charger is a beast y'all michigan staties get to ride in style!!
― El Tomboto, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:07 (seventeen years ago)
smokey and the bandit steez
― remy bean, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:10 (seventeen years ago)
oh that is fucking cool:
http://www.nhtroopers.org/images/lopro%20charger.jpg
I know!! look at that shit!
― El Tomboto, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:11 (seventeen years ago)
SWPL: mean lookin' bad-ass vehicles
the best part about going to see my ex's folks was driving through michigan. the speed limit is 85 and that's pretty much just a suggestion. remembering that you're barreling toward the indiana border at 105 mph was always a challenge though.
― chicago kevin, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:12 (seventeen years ago)
Cops should drive around in cars that are painted with rainbows and smiley faces.
― dell, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:13 (seventeen years ago)
fire island p.d.?
― chicago kevin, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:14 (seventeen years ago)
deej, is any of it funny to you? I think I hate the site more and more because it could have been funny but he's polluted it with such incoherent and cretinous rage that it just comes off as pissy and dimwitted.
― Michael White, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:17 (seventeen years ago)
yeah its overly bitter. thats only allowed on ilx
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)
It is funny that it is so atheistically pleasing yet full of errors:
#30 Wrigley Field
So for the upcoming season, try to know at least one player on the Chicago Cubs and defend Mark Prior at all costs
* * * *
So if you find it difficult to befriend white people, it doesn’t help to know a little something about the Cubs and to suggest a trip to Wrigley Field.
― felicity, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)
He went too far:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/85-the-wire/#comment-19477
― Hurting 2, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:04 (seventeen years ago)
that was really unfunny
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:09 (seventeen years ago)
stuff white people like: feeding trolls
― El Tomboto, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:25 (seventeen years ago)
fuck all of you
― El Tomboto, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:26 (seventeen years ago)
If there is anything I've learned from trying to become an alcoholic it's that I can never drink enough that the overwhelming majority's concepts will ever seem remotely conscienable
― El Tomboto, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:29 (seventeen years ago)
white ppl
― El Tomboto, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:35 (seventeen years ago)
if there's one thing i've learned from trying to be an alcholic is that however i parse it, will never be part of any overwhelming majority
― remy bean, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:37 (seventeen years ago)
haw D- haw haw
― El Tomboto, Monday, 10 March 2008 06:54 (seventeen years ago)
that site really does suck. I disliked it the minute I saw it, but I am glad that sensible and thoughtful folk on this thread have helped me see how bad it really is. 'The Wire', wtf is that anyway?
― the pinefox, Monday, 10 March 2008 12:19 (seventeen years ago)
#86: The Wire MAGAZINE
― blueski, Monday, 10 March 2008 12:31 (seventeen years ago)
White people love sandwiches! Elsewhere in the world, people eat meat by itself, or with rice. But white people feel the need to go the extra step by slicing the meat thinly, spread a "condiment" on it, and put it between two slices of bread. You might find a white person eating a sandwich in his car or while riding mass transit. If you really want to score points with a white person, ask if he'd like to get sandwiches and hang out in the park
― Hurting 2, Monday, 10 March 2008 12:37 (seventeen years ago)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/SLEEVES.jpg
Vinyl record sleeves with 2-sided insert featuring faux-academic material on pop music and the state of the record industry, seeded with promotional material for indie radio stations. Sponsored by Brown Student Radio. Snuck onto used & new record store shelves. 140 Copies Total.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 March 2008 18:12 (seventeen years ago)
"This blog says white people like stuff that I don't like, even though I am also white. Therefore it is not funny."
― Bodrick III, Monday, 17 March 2008 18:21 (seventeen years ago)
Half the fun of this blog is in the way it provokes defensiveness and borderline racism from outraged drips. Next week's entry: oxygen.
― Bodrick III, Monday, 17 March 2008 18:31 (seventeen years ago)
Half the fun of this blog is in the way it provokes defensiveness and borderline racism from outraged drips. Next week's entry: oxygen.-- Bodrick III Nude Spock, Monday, March 17, 2008 2:31 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- Bodrick III Nude Spock, Monday, March 17, 2008 2:31 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 17 March 2008 18:55 (seventeen years ago)
You really need to read the comments on that blog, mate. A lot of the time it isn't even borderline.
― Bodrick III, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 00:38 (seventeen years ago)
max r is not nude spock
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)
ASK BODRICK III
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 00:48 (seventeen years ago)
I like saying his name like that one mont- never mind....
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 02:00 (seventeen years ago)
Those sleeves look like Spiritualized singles
― kingfish, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 02:17 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=49eb53ed-afbc-4aae-bf17-6ffc44f40a48&k=6761
But if this blog is such a piquant satire of white liberal cultural mores and hypocrisies, then why do so many white people like Stuff White People Like? I imagine the most common reaction among its readers is summed up by one rhapsodic commenter: "Oh, lord, it only hurts because it's true!" And that's the problem. The reason the phrase "it's funny because it's true" has become a shorthand for things that are neither (a) funny nor (b) particularly true is because humor is rarely truly satirical when its targets also make up the bulk of its audience. Or, if it is, the audience doesn't tend to find it funny. Think Colbert skewering Bush at the White House press corps dinner. I don't remember Dick Cheney slapping his knee and shouting "Oh lord it only hurts because it's true!" Instead, with this brand of comedy, the goal is to comfort, rather than challenge or disturb, the audience. (Other things widely known to be funny-because-they're-true: Britney Spears is a bad mom; cats are standoffish, while dogs are blindly loyal; women love shopping, while men can't get enough sex. Are you with me? The ladies know what I'm talking about!)
― and what, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 20:53 (seventeen years ago)
and it's deep, too!
― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 20:58 (seventeen years ago)
some white people are so lame
http://stuffeducatedblackpeoplelike.wordpress.com/
I do not like a lot of this stuff! I am not offended! I have a sense of humor!!
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 20:59 (seventeen years ago)
http://stuffghettopeoplelike.wordpress.com/
my sister loves those slippers! we do re-use cooking grease! I am not offended!
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:00 (seventeen years ago)
Haha, when the guy who coined the term "grups" disses SWPL, you know you're in trouble...
― jaymc, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:19 (seventeen years ago)
oh man.
http://stuffghettopeoplelike.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/cropped-watermelon.jpg
A tragic end to what looks to have been a fine picnic.
― kenan, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:25 (seventeen years ago)
actually that is kind of offensive.
but if I take it as some big postmodern racial humor thing than I can laugh at... but it's so overt I can see why people would be offended. It's like Sarah Silverman's comedy.
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:29 (seventeen years ago)
"stuff ghetto people like" seems a lot more malaicious than the SWPL and SEBPL
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:32 (seventeen years ago)
because liberal educmacation told u so
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
It's not very 'funny', though, is it?
― Michael White, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
That picture is pretty damn funny.
The writing has the same problem as the other blogs like this -- completely tone-deaf.
― kenan, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 21:53 (seventeen years ago)
it's pretty damn obviously photoshopped
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 22:24 (seventeen years ago)
well no shit
― kenan, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:30 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, that would have been a bit much.
― felicity, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:31 (seventeen years ago)
i lik sex and i lik to work us actor in sex
― PappaWheelie V, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 00:50 (seventeen years ago)
Uh...
― C0L1N B..., Friday, 21 March 2008 03:04 (seventeen years ago)
"White People" is only the latest Web phenomenon to result in a major book deal. Earlier this month, the person behind http://barackobamaisyournewbicycle.com signed a contract with Gotham Books, and before that, so did the person who runs LOLcat emporium I Can Haz Cheeseburger. As it happens, Gotham was also the publisher on The Truth About Chuck Norris, "an illustrated book of 400 farcical 'facts' about movie star Chuck Norris... based on the popular internet meme."
― kingfish, Friday, 21 March 2008 03:08 (seventeen years ago)
The ever growing Barnes-and-Noble-Checkout-Line-Impulse-Buy industry
― Hurting 2, Friday, 21 March 2008 04:07 (seventeen years ago)
The Urban Outfitters Library of America
― C0L1N B..., Friday, 21 March 2008 07:12 (seventeen years ago)
books to fill the front room of Powell's
― kingfish, Friday, 21 March 2008 07:21 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.theroot.com/id/45371
― deej, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:00 (seventeen years ago)
Of all the responses, I think this early one is the whitest:
-- jaymc, Friday, February 15, 2008 4:14 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Link
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:39 (seventeen years ago)
New Salon interivew with the guy who did the site. Pretty funny. I think it's good satire; the "conservative in sheeps clothing" theories going on above are very . . . white.
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/07/05/white_people/
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:42 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.foxnews.com/halfhournewshour/index.html
too bad this got cancelled i think this dude coulda been a great writer on there
― and what, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.foxnews.com/ucat/images/114969_320_vid_092407_hhnh_times.jpg
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:46 (seventeen years ago)
^^encompasses my reaction to this thread
lol @ revive
― jaymc, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:54 (seventeen years ago)
Williamsburg people: The L-train tunnel between 1st Avenue and Bedford Avenue hymen restoration in Europe "Conscious" Hip Hop Fallacy
― max, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:54 (seventeen years ago)
based on those threads i think thirdalternative would be a great addition to the writing staff at "http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/"
― max, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:55 (seventeen years ago)
and what, max, et. al.
you're just pissed because this guy's got your number.
I doubt you'd say a word about a site that satirized hedge fund, striped shirt kind of dudes.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:55 (seventeen years ago)
Hipster girls wish they were lesbians.
-- thirdalternative, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 4:25 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link
^^ its this kind of cutting satire that i think would fit in well at this fine blog
― max, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:57 (seventeen years ago)
You gotta admit they have that pseudo-lesbian, Smith/Oberlin faux-bian thing down pat.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:58 (seventeen years ago)
thirdalternative you need to meet my friend burt_stanton, i think youd have a lot to talk about
― max, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:01 (seventeen years ago)
this argument is so white
― DG, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:01 (seventeen years ago)
max, you need to develop a sense of humor about youself.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
Daddy's bar in Williamsburg. No buy backs, a snobby crowd devoid of any sexual energy whatsoever (hipsters are afraid of adult sexuality, you can tell by the way they call each other "kids" and play childhood games like kickball), and bartenders who act very inconvenienced if you order the hot dogs they offer.
-- thirdalternative, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 1:30 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link
^^ great post
― max, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
youre not married to a columbian woman by any chance, are you?
1) Thanks!
2) No.
Do you work at Daddy's?
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
I run a hedge fund and I resent the suggestion that I wear stripey shirts.
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
Max you are quite the bad ass with that search function.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:06 (seventeen years ago)
Hurting: do you 1) use cocaine 2) eat bufflao wings
and have you 3) ever attended a party that employed an ice luge? .
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:07 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.chrisflecker.com/ImpactPlayer.jpg
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:09 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.michiganice.com/gallery/liquorluge/full/001.jpg
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:12 (seventeen years ago)
bufflmao wings
― DJ Mencap, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:22 (seventeen years ago)
ew
― Surmounter, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:23 (seventeen years ago)
ice loluge
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:23 (seventeen years ago)
Stuff White People Like is pretty much funny and true. Or "spot on" as our faggy British counterparts would say.
― burt_stanton, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:29 (seventeen years ago)
http://991.com/newGallery/George-Michael-Ladies--Gentlemen-350188.jpg
― max, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:33 (seventeen years ago)
George Michael treats men like objects.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:34 (seventeen years ago)
max, you need to develop a sense of humor about youself.-- thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:03 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:03 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
The pot calling the banana black?
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:34 (seventeen years ago)
you like deep banana blackout?
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:38 (seventeen years ago)
I'm flattered but I've got a girlfriend.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:40 (seventeen years ago)
I thought white people said "partner."
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/images/products/4/65204-large.jpg
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:44 (seventeen years ago)
WOW 22 bucks for a metal flask that says "I AM NOT PLASTIC" oh, and this blog is stupid.
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:49 (seventeen years ago)
also there's constantly typos in it. not trying to be all white about it but if you're trying to sell a book of posts to typo-hating whites maybe try and not have typos in your posts.
― iiiijjjj, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)
do hipsters play kickball? that is retarded
― deeznuts, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:53 (seventeen years ago)
buffalo wings are better than stuff white ppl like
― M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 6 July 2008 23:00 (seventeen years ago)
-- thirdalternative, Sunday, July 6, 2008 6:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
lol clueless prole
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 6 July 2008 23:20 (seventeen years ago)
When I think of all the things people (hipsters and otherwise) do that could be seen as stupid, playing kickball is a million miles behind so much other shit.
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Monday, 7 July 2008 00:38 (seventeen years ago)
Hand, I heard about you, and your girlfriend. Don't you live in like France or somewhere like that now anyway?
― the pinefox, Monday, 7 July 2008 01:28 (seventeen years ago)
-- Charlie Rose Nylund, Monday, July 7, 2008 1:38 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Don't be so sure:
http://sugarzine.com/webdocs/site_04.07/pics/kickball.jpg
― thirdalternative, Monday, 7 July 2008 01:34 (seventeen years ago)
what's wrong with an ice luge?
― electricsound, Monday, 7 July 2008 01:37 (seventeen years ago)
Maybe the luge upsets him because it reminds him of the claustrophobia from the L train between Bedford and First Avenue.
― felicity, Monday, 7 July 2008 01:44 (seventeen years ago)
i never thought i'd click on this thread and see a pic from the little rock kickball league. wow. i actually know who that dude in green tights is. and he's no hipster. he is, however, a "theater type."
― andrew m., Monday, 7 July 2008 01:49 (seventeen years ago)
zach galifianakis?
― am0n, Monday, 7 July 2008 02:13 (seventeen years ago)
At least the Katy Perry song ends after a few minutes?
― Sundar, Monday, 7 July 2008 02:44 (seventeen years ago)
Charlie Rose Nylund is so constantly off the mark he wins the official Burt_Stanton Off the Mark Award 2008.
― burt_stanton, Monday, 7 July 2008 03:14 (seventeen years ago)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcmw0ufHoBo">Just for you</a>, Burt. Just for you.
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Monday, 7 July 2008 03:52 (seventeen years ago)
Oh, FUCK off -- I hit the BBCode convert button!
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Monday, 7 July 2008 03:53 (seventeen years ago)
I have a really awkward reputation for being the girl who can do every damn syllable of It Takes Two, eep! I'm even whiter than I thought!
― Finefinemusic, Monday, 7 July 2008 14:54 (seventeen years ago)
Speaking of playing kickball...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii317/RabitesAngelatin/sasquachrainbowbaby.jpg
Homeless man in above photo has what can only be described as Perfect Form and refers to himself as Sasquatch Rainbowbaby.
― RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:06 (seventeen years ago)
i like the boys on the fence, that's who i'd be chillin with
― Surmounter, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:06 (seventeen years ago)
Went to Terrastock with the one on the left.
― RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:07 (seventeen years ago)
Like sewing? You're a hipster! Like seeing live music? You're a hipster! Like bicycles? You're a hipster! Like fashion? You're a hipster!
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:10 (seventeen years ago)
See, the thing is that all of that is true.
― HI DERE, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:11 (seventeen years ago)
Tracer Hand, don't you live in like France or somewhere?
― the pinefox, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:12 (seventeen years ago)
damn hipters and their kickball and skinnyt jeans. what's next after skinny jeans anyway, regular fit? back to baggy?
― burt_stanton, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:13 (seventeen years ago)
the "conservative in sheeps clothing" theories going on above are very . . . white.
-- deej, Wednesday, April 2, 2008 12:00 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link
― deej, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:13 (seventeen years ago)
hipster the word needs to fly away to zimbabwe and never come back
― Surmounter, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:14 (seventeen years ago)
Ha, you know it would come flying back with loads of indigenous garb and loads of unbearable stories about how everything over there is more real and alive.
― HI DERE, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:16 (seventeen years ago)
ya
― Surmounter, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:17 (seventeen years ago)
it's nauseating!
― Surmounter, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:18 (seventeen years ago)
I think I mostly hate the hipster fingerpointing when it comes to what booze people are gettin drunk off of. But that's really just my usual kneejerk with any alcohol snobbery.
― RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)
Defending your right to drink SPARKS LIGHT +/-?
― burt_stanton, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:25 (seventeen years ago)
Doing anything interesting - C or D?
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:27 (seventeen years ago)
"interesting"
― Granny Dainger, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:29 (seventeen years ago)
What's Sparks Light?
― RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:34 (seventeen years ago)
lol ok just wikied it
― RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:35 (seventeen years ago)
Faire des Choses Interessantes -- Oui! C'est Classique! -- Tracer Hand, lundi 7 juillet
― the pinefox, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:37 (seventeen years ago)
Heh yes pinefox. I live in a loft, in France. It's so hip it hurts.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:38 (seventeen years ago)
can you stop rubbing it in?
― Surmounter, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:39 (seventeen years ago)
BUT DO YOU PLAY KICKBALL
― deeznuts, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:40 (seventeen years ago)
Yes, we call it "hyper foot".
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:42 (seventeen years ago)
yes
― dell, Monday, 7 July 2008 18:08 (seventeen years ago)
I just remembered this piece of trash, this site that everyone was talking about everywhere for 20 minutes. I hadn't really thought of it in a while.
And I thought, how long ago it feels, the moment of this site - way back in the early days, I think, of the Democratic primaries, before Obama had even taken much of a lead over Clinton (that assertion may not be precise, but that's how long ago it feels). Before the McCain campaign got going, before Palin the plumber tosser and everything else. And before lots of other things too, like, I don't know, the NYC popfest or the London Mayoral election or the financial crisis.
What a long strange year this has, in some ways, been!
But I also had to think: gosh, it's good to know that those of us who thought this famed and popular and acclaimed site was a piece of trash all along, was not funny, was racist, and above all was reactionary - were dead right. I think it was Aimless, maybe, who spent ages on this thread attacking it, in the teeth of others' views, for being so nastily right-wing behind its would-be comic facade. And how OTM he was! How this whole site just looks like the unfunny comic version of Palin Culture War right-wing BS. It's nice to know we were right, and it's nice to feel like the lousy site went and away and died, like the McCain campaign finally did, even if maybe the site didn't.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 02:14 (seventeen years ago)
wtf
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 02:14 (seventeen years ago)
lol
― A B C, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 02:36 (seventeen years ago)
tl;dr
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 02:57 (seventeen years ago)
good post pinefox i cosign 100%
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 03:04 (seventeen years ago)
And how OTM he was!
― racist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 03:08 (seventeen years ago)
I prefer www.blackpeopleloveus.com. Same joke, but I laughed a lot more.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 03:36 (seventeen years ago)
I think it was Aimless, maybe, who spent ages on this thread attacking it, in the teeth of others' views, for being so nastily right-wing behind its would-be comic facade.
aimless didnt post on this thread. it was mostly deej and contenderizer.
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 03:44 (seventeen years ago)
pinefox bringin' opinions
― velko, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:00 (seventeen years ago)
#116 Black Music that Black People Don’t Listen to AnymoreNovember 18, 2008 by clander
“I don’t listen to that commercial stuff. I’m more into the Real Hip Hop, you know? KRS One, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, De La Soul, Wu Tang, you know, The Old School.”
LOL I GUESS WHITES DO LIKE TO RECYCLE.....JOKES THAT IS HAHA
― bnw, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:04 (seventeen years ago)
And where did this meme come from that black people don't listen to older hip-hop
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:09 (seventeen years ago)
I think whoever wrote that blog is basically out to lunch after his 6 figure book deal
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:17 (seventeen years ago)
Comparing People to Hitler
Being a truly advanced white person means being able to speak with authority about pretty much any field of conversation- especially politics. In order for white people to streamline the process of knowing everything, all human beings can be neatly filed into one of two categories: People I Agree With, and People Who are Just Like Adolf Hitler.
Comparing people to Hitler is an easy way for white people to get a strong point across to the less enlightened, or the insufficiently white. Everyone knows who Adolf Hitler was. And everyone knows that Hitler was very, very bad. Therefore, if a white person really, REALLY, doesn’t like something orsomeone, he or she may angrily say something to the effect of, “This is exactly the same kind of thing that Hitler used to do!” accompanied by varying levels of profanity based on blood-alcohol content. No matter what your gut reaction may be at that point, do not disagree with that white person. Otherwise, well, you love Hitler.
This time-tested white-person maneuver may seem so awesomely useful to you that you are tempted to go out and try it right now. Not so fast. White people have spent the last 30 years perfecting this technique. There are cultural guidelines.
It’s also critical that you avoid the fatal mistake of getting creative and comparing people you don’t like to other evil dictators, such as Joseph Stalin or Fidel Castro. With few exceptions, white people are actually fondof almost any dictator not named Hitler, and your remark that “this is just like something Mao Zedong would do” will be met with blank stares and possible social alienation. This is because, with the exception of Hitler,oppressive dictators share a passion for many of the things white people love- such as universal health care, conspiracy theories, caring about poor people while being filthy rich, and cool hats. Stick to the script andcompare things you don’t like to Hitler, and Hitler alone.
Now, like most reasonable people, you might find this strategy distasteful, and even a bit disrespectful, since after all, Hitler was responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, and probably doesn’t have that much in common with Pat Robertson, in perspective. If you prefer to avoid hearing or using the Hitler technique, we recommend you speak in soothing, affirming tones around angry white people to prevent the phenomenon from manifesting, and change the subject tactfully. To something that doesn’t involve GeorgeW. Bush.
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:17 (seventeen years ago)
was this written by jonah goldberg?
where does it say the blog died?
― velko, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:21 (seventeen years ago)
This is possibly an American-culture thing that doesn't translate precisely, but I don't think the thrust of this thing is in any way the same as conservative "Real America" culture war -- they may mock the same demographic, but in very different senses and with very different alternative claims. This site and this book are dumb as hell, but they are not remotely indistinguishable from conservative claims. They consist of two things:
- the comedy of the person who has no real arguments to offer but enjoys rolling his eyes at how predictable everyone else's habits are (something anyone who reads ILM should be really, really familiar with at this point)
- the comedy of the person who pokes at how predictable your habits are specifically to amuse you (something anyone who has ever seen standup comedy should be really, really familiar with at this point)
The stuff is dumb, dumb, dumb, but I still absolutely resist the idea that it is somehow the universe's first humor-blog-turned-book to have some kind of coherent political dimension
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:24 (seventeen years ago)
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/de_la_soul_1.jpgLook at these foolish white people! They are enjoying something that is made by a black artist and yet they are all white!
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:24 (seventeen years ago)
its funny for how much time this dude spends clowning white people who love the authenticity of the blues that in his worldview black people are the most primal naturalistic unreflective beings imaginable just by exclusion from "stuff white people like"
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:26 (seventeen years ago)
This blog is like a celebration of white culture... self-deprecating humor is often a sideways expression of superiority.
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:26 (seventeen years ago)
u guyz are all hitlers
― racist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:27 (seventeen years ago)
Johnson on September 1, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Why have “white people” suddenly become “white LIBERAL people”? Guilt is a liberal tactic. Not all white people are liberals. Not all Democrats are liberals. I’ve never used Adolf Hitler to compare to anyone. The man was evil.
P.S. I hate Bush, too. And I’m a conservative! Can’t the Dems do better that a half black/white Muslim? What happened to the real Democrats? The non-socialists who actually cared about the midlle class?
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:29 (seventeen years ago)
Nabisco, you can't even see any vaguely crypto-conservative tendencies behind e.g. #62 or #94?
― Sundar, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:49 (seventeen years ago)
(Those could have easily been written by e.g. PJ O'Rourke.)
― Sundar, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 04:50 (seventeen years ago)
I don't think it's crypto-conservative to suggest that any attempt by young white urbanites to be different from their parents is superficial, short-sighted and to be made fun of
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:05 (seventeen years ago)
I think that is in fact pretty clearly conservative and no crypto to it
Sundar, I think pointing out that a few among over a hundred entries pull their humor from conservative-friendly thought process is way WAY different from acting like the whole thing is animated by some big conservative impulse, and that's STILL a million miles away from comparing it to Palin.
Mostly I think the whole thing is motivated by dumb eye-rolling feeling-superior humor, and while the source of it is sometimes dumb in a conservative way, or depends on dumb assumptions usually held by conservatives, I don't see it adding up to much other than dumb.
But if we are saying "conservative" in an author-is-dead kind of way, then whatever, there's a grain in that.
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:09 (seventeen years ago)
I mean, with most of this stuff you could just as easily say the central impulse is anti-bourgeois (its target is 95% the consumer habits of the young bourgeoisie!) but we'd never consider that "leftist" these days because that demographic so often tends to be the left.
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:12 (seventeen years ago)
and it also helps that he titles the blog "stuff WHITE people like" as opposed to "stuff BOOJIE people like"
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:15 (seventeen years ago)
at any rate I find pinefox's line of argument much more interesting than your simple dismissal of this as bad comedy. Ted Rall and the GYWO guy would also lose at chess to a black & decker product but that doesn't mean they aren't also on a particular end of the political spectrum
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:19 (seventeen years ago)
pie
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:21 (seventeen years ago)
But they're not targeting the (many) members of the young bourgeoisie who might, I dunno, watch football (or Grey's Anatomy) or listen to John Mayer or are reasonably satisfied with privatized health insurance.
xposts to nabisco
― Sundar, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:21 (seventeen years ago)
Hmm, maybe I've just read too many interviews with the guy who started the blog, but the whole thing reads as extremely self-deprecating.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:23 (seventeen years ago)
I mean, his whole underlying argument is that under-35 caucasian new yorkers are essentially all pitiful and deluded because they pretend to enjoy foreign food, or pretend to not be afraid of the blacks, or pretend to be interested in other cultures, or pretend to care about the environment, and all of these activities are silly and misguided, and he knows better & he's the honest one who can tell you how it is. Frankly I'd think more people would be able to recognize what that mindset is politically and historically associated with
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:23 (seventeen years ago)
(And the two examples I gave were just two clear examples. I don't think they're isolated.
Weirdly, though, I think we actually see this the same way, reading your posts. I tend to look at everything in an author-is-dead way FWIW.)
― Sundar, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:27 (seventeen years ago)
A few hours ago I forwarded #115 ("Promising to learn a new language") to a friend. We both live in a town in the San Joaquin Valley, California that's majority Latino and have studied Spanish off and on for years and still can't really speak it well (but want to!). This section got me, in part because I've definitely said "un poquito" followed by "uhhhh," although I didn't feel contempt for the person talking to me:
Instead you should say something like “you speak (insert language)?” to which they will reply “a little” in your native tongue. If you just leave it here, the white person will feel fantastic for the rest of the day. If you push it any further and speak quickly, the white person will just look at you with a blank stare. Within a minute you will notice that blank stare has shifted from confusion to contempt. You have shamed them and your chance for friendship is ruined forever.
Although as a whole, I think the blog can be pretty condescending and reductive. It's the danger of "Whiteness Studies" without an anti-racist background, ie white people talking about white people to an audience of white people.
― vermonter, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:28 (seventeen years ago)
(OK, that one's kind of good.)
― Sundar, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:33 (seventeen years ago)
Coming out of my lurker hole to add a few thoughts:
This was partly touched on upthread, but the guy in charge of this is from Toronto, white, left-wing etc. So he's not "conservative"...not politically, at least. The problem is the tone of the site...it's full on attack mode, as if they got a grudge to settle. Probably chosen because they think edgy = funny.
You also have white writers using "white people" as "they" instead of "we." (which also happens on this site...) Change the 'they' to 'we' and the site actually becomes self-deprecating. The authors think it's already self-deprecating, but it doesn't come through that way at all...because they forgot the 'self' part.
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:40 (seventeen years ago)
dumb websites
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:41 (seventeen years ago)
#94 Free Healthcare
April 4, 2008 by clander
In spite of having access to the best health insurance and fanciest hospitals, white people are passionate about the idea of socialized medicine. So much so that they have memorized statistics and examples of how for-profit medicine has destroyed the United States.
But before you can exploit this information for personal gain, it’s important that you understand why white people are so in love with free health care.
The first and most obvious reason is “they have it Europe.” White people love all things European, this especially true of things that are unavailable in the United States (Rare Beers, Absinthe, legal marijuana, prostitution, soccer). The fact that it’s available in Canada isn’t really that impressive, but it does contribute to their willingness to threaten to move there.
These desires were only heightened in 2007 when Michael Moore released “Sicko,” a documentary that contrasts the health care industry in the United States with that of Canada, France and Cuba. As a general rule of thumb, white people are always extra passionate about issues that have been the subject of a Moore documentary. As a test, ask them about 9/11, Gun Control, or Health Care and then say “where did you get that information?” You will not be surprised at the results.
But the secret reason why all white people love socialized medicine is that they all love the idea of receiving health care without having a full-time job. This would allow them to work as a freelance designer/consultant/copywriter/photographer/blogger, open their own bookstore, stay at home with their kids, or be a part of an Internet start-up without having to worry about a benefits package. Though many of them would never follow this path, they appreciate having the option.
If you need to impress a white person, merely mention how you got hurt on a recent trip Canada/England/Sweden and though you were a foreigner you received excellent and free health care. They will be very impressed and likely tell you about how powerful drug and health care lobbies are destroying everything.
Though their passion for national health care runs deep, it is important to remember that white people are most in favor of it when they are healthy. They love the idea of everyone have equal access to the resources that will keep them alive, that is until they have to wait in line for an MRI.
This is very similar to the way that white people express their support for public schools when they don’t have children.
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:42 (seventeen years ago)
oh wait but he's canadian so he can't really be conservative!! (????) just like notable non-conservative non-wingnut canadians mark steyn and rachel marsden!!
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:46 (seventeen years ago)
No, he's not a conservative because he says in interviews that he's not a conservative. But he is stupid enough to have a conservative website without realizing it. And maybe he does have some pent up conservative blood that's fueling this thing.
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:48 (seventeen years ago)
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/31/44-public-radio/
White people love stations like NPR (which is equivalent to listening to cardboard), and they love shows like This American Life and Democracy Now. This confuses immigrants from the third world. The see the need for radio as a source for sports, top 40 radio and traffic reports but they don’t quite understand why people who can afford TVs and have access to Youtube, would spend hours listening to the opinions of overeducated arts majors.
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:48 (seventeen years ago)
Tom I dunno how much it's worth getting into it, since we did this 9 months ago. But seriously, it's not that I don't acknowledge that there are mindsets some of these ideas can be "associated with," I just happen to think that those mindsets tend to express themselves very differently from laugh-of-recognition blog-snark. You can pretty readily see this in the fact that the audience for this stuff does not consist of, for instance, heartland Republicans -- it consists of something very much like the demographic it purports to skewer, who get to read this stuff either with chuckles of self-recognition or with the smugness of feeling like you're better and more aware of this stuff than the social class you're surrounded with.
Honestly, compare with every ILM thread in which 20-something college-educated white males sit around mocking indie-rock bands for being so 20-something college-educated white-male-like. That's not self-deprecation, because the people doing it are trying very hard to distinguish themselves from that pack. But they're also not doing it because they hate themselves and are secretly the kind of people who think rock music sounds like pointless noise -- they're doing so out of a basic impulse to snark like you're more clever than your surroundings. Saying this blog has some firm pointed connection to conservative thinking (or a Palin-like culture stance) reads to me like saying that the Lex must love swing music, just because he complains about rock bands the way old people might.
So saying it's animated by pointed conservatism, as opposed to just stumbling over some of its assumptions, seems really weird to me. Especially when the thing's all snark and no suggestions. But maybe you're taking that author-is-dead tack.
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:49 (seventeen years ago)
wait, are you guys saying this stuff isn't funny?
― Kerm, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:51 (seventeen years ago)
You can pretty readily see this in the fact that the audience for this stuff does not consist of, for instance, heartland Republicans
no, they're right-wing internerd blog warriors who identify with the culture wars
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:52 (seventeen years ago)
is the dude who emailed nro to brag about liberal fascism from a bookstore in manhattan a heartland republican? thats the audience for this blog
― dat dude delmar (and what), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:53 (seventeen years ago)
But they're also not doing it because they hate themselves and are secretly the kind of people who think rock music sounds like pointless noise -- they're doing so out of a basic impulse to snark like you're more clever than your surroundings.
you say tomato, I say that "basic impulse" is exactly because they hate themselves
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:53 (seventeen years ago)
and as a dude who pretty much only goes on ILM to snark about IDM that I don't even listen to anymore, I should know
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:55 (seventeen years ago)
Saying this blog has some firm pointed connection to conservative thinking (or a Palin-like culture stance) reads to me like saying that the Lex must love swing music, just because he complains about rock bands the way old people might.
If you think that saying that a person thinks a certain way because they express certain thoughts is equivalent to saying that a person feels a certain way because they express completely unrelated feelings, then there's no point to this conversation.
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:58 (seventeen years ago)
xpost - I'm also mystified by the idea that people irritating enough to do this blog wouldn't happily mouth conservative viewpoints solely for the purpose of needling people and being "funny." It's a humor blog; people in this realm can be relied on to say anything the fuck at all that makes them seem snarky and clever in the moment, because having and respecting your own earnest views about the world is super-uncool, dontchaknow.
xpost - Ethan are you kidding me? Look at who is on this thread talking about this site! I have never known anyone to know about this site who is outside the demographic it's talking about. (I also know someone who worked on publishing the book version, and I guarantee you 100% that the audience it is aimed at is pretty much exactly the audience it's about -- it is so so SO not aimed at pissed-off conservatives, I swear to you. They wouldn't find it sufficiently funny!)
xpost - Tom even if you think it's a hating-yourself impulse then you're agreeing with me, surely; actual conservatives snarking on young urban liberals is not a hating-yourself impulse, young urban liberals snarking on themselves like Republicans is.
xpost - Tom I have no idea what that last one means
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 05:59 (seventeen years ago)
lol nabisco from this blog http://roissy.wordpress.com/
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― didactic katydid (Lamp), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:03 (seventeen years ago)
xpsDude's really reaching on #94. That said, the comments are just embarrassing.
for example:
oonie goo goo on November 24, 2008 at 7:25 pmYo, the cat who be writin this shit is a suburban, honky tonkin, crackulatin, jive turkey so you mayo eatin, slave rapin, man lovers aint gotta be all shitty about it. he’s one of yall. Suburban white dudes always come back from university thinkin they black, what’s with that?
Yo, the cat who be writin this shit is a suburban, honky tonkin, crackulatin, jive turkey so you mayo eatin, slave rapin, man lovers aint gotta be all shitty about it. he’s one of yall. Suburban white dudes always come back from university thinkin they black, what’s with that?
I think you guys might call that sub-custos?
― vermonter, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:05 (seventeen years ago)
I mean honestly, I am really clutching-my-head baffled at the idea that this stuff operates particularly differently from the countless dumb ILX threads that go, say, "List things beloved of whiny collegiate types who thought Garden State was a good movie," or whatever -- those threads don't mean ILX posters are across the demographic spectrum from those types, it means we abut them precisely and are doing overblown narcissism-of-small-differences snark about it!
Ok, with that I will put it to bed
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:05 (seventeen years ago)
young urban liberals snarking on themselves like Republicans is...
I throw this in with Ron Paul and South Park racism
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:06 (seventeen years ago)
"White Plans For Harlem" (now available in paperback!) is kind of a long shot from "I Cannot Stand Zach Fucking Braff Part MXDCIII" on a guess papers messageboard
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:09 (seventeen years ago)
nabisco those threads are about aesthetic differences and the site seems really preoocupied with politcal differences?? i mean wtf graden state is a long way from the site's entry about gay ppl
― didactic katydid (Lamp), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:12 (seventeen years ago)
also it's a blog with 50 million hits and a book deal
― vermonter, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:17 (seventeen years ago)
Change the 'they' to 'we' and the site actually becomes self-deprecating.
has anybody actually done this because it doesn't work at all, it just makes the whole thing more horrifyingly right-wing.
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:18 (seventeen years ago)
I keep thinking people who read this shit and laugh at it are probably the types who get all "chris rock said it right, there's black people, and then there's, you know," after one beer
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:20 (seventeen years ago)
hmm...edited:
But the secret reason why all white people love socialized medicine is that we all love the idea of receiving health care without having a full-time job. This would allow us to work as a freelance designer/consultant/copywriter/photographer/blogger, open their own bookstore, stay at home with their kids, or be a part of an Internet start-up without having to worry about a benefits package. Though many of them would never follow this path, we appreciate having the option.
At least he's taking some ownership over where he's coming from instead of all this anxious ironic distance
― vermonter, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:23 (seventeen years ago)
i did laugh at this "Of course, as with many things loved by white people, simple often means expensive and these haircuts usually cost upwards of $100." just becuz i kept hearing marge simpson saying it.
― didactic katydid (Lamp), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:24 (seventeen years ago)
they should get paul harvey to do the books on tape version
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:25 (seventeen years ago)
Okay...yeah...you're right TOMBOT.
I was more thinking if they had approached it like 'blackpeopleloveus' ... that one being more clearly not right-wing?
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:27 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/highfive2tommy.jpg
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:29 (seventeen years ago)
they had enough black friends to actually make the site, right?
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:31 (seventeen years ago)
holy shit is that pretzel walrus???
― ian, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:32 (seventeen years ago)
i was trying to do an and what-ish post where i mixed and matched SWPL posts with lines from mark steyn writing about multiculturalism and it was more depressing than lulz but i did like this, from mr. steyn:
As I understand it, the benefits of multiculturalism are that the sterile white- bread cultures of Australia, Canada and Britain get some great ethnic restaurants and a Commonwealth Games opening ceremony that lasts until two in the morning
thats from 2002! dude needs a guest blogger spot imo
― didactic katydid (Lamp), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:34 (seventeen years ago)
let's give it up for those noble savages! sports radio is great! news commentary is gay!
― battered beauties (get bent), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:40 (seventeen years ago)
"overeducated" is an actual thing that someone can be!
― battered beauties (get bent), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:41 (seventeen years ago)
I think there's a subversive element to SWPL; just because some conservatives read it through their own lens doesn't make SWPL itself right wing.
I'd also guess that a lot of white people who read SWPL see themselves in it and use it as a way to grapple with (and distance themselves from) being white in a country designed, through years of violent structural racism, to ensure that white people disproportionately enjoy things like health care.
― vermonter, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:50 (seventeen years ago)
good lord, is that a real quote from SWPL?
yeah that doesn't seem particularly "self-deprecating"
― omar little, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:51 (seventeen years ago)
Results 1 - 10 of about 257,000 for overeducated. (0.28 seconds)
― battered beauties (get bent), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:51 (seventeen years ago)
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― battered beauties (get bent), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:53 (seventeen years ago)
stuff Theodore Kaczynski likes
― velko, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:53 (seventeen years ago)
cool shadesisolated cabinsterrorism
― velko, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:55 (seventeen years ago)
seems like he gets into trouble when he starts talking about what non-white people think and feel
xphoodies
― vermonter, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 06:58 (seventeen years ago)
ok change your display name.
― Kerm, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 07:06 (seventeen years ago)
Do young white people just want the free ride that they perceive black people have been getting? Maybe they aren't annoyed that the Europeans have been getting free medical care, maybe they just want some of that welfare queen lucky ducky juice.
from my new blog White People Just Want to Say Ugly Things Without Consequences
― james k polk, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 07:44 (seventeen years ago)
pauly shore movies
― venom boners are totally canon (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 08:51 (seventeen years ago)
mayonnaise
keystone ligHt
marijuana
dogs
saxophone music
― venom boners are totally canon (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 08:52 (seventeen years ago)
egg salad
nabisco I hear what you're saying but the conservatism on display here doesn't just pop up as randomly occurring lulz; the guys parrots stone-cold classic conservative CW as the unexpected Deep Thought running through the snark. i.e.:
Though their passion for national health care runs deep, it is important to remember that white people are most in favor of it when they are healthy. They love the idea of everyone have equal access to the resources that will keep them alive, that is until they have to wait in line for an MRI.This is very similar to the way that white people express their support for public schools when they don’t have children.
This is a simple extrapolation of "liberals are conservatives who have never been mugged".
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 10:41 (seventeen years ago)
Of course the most offensive thing here is the idea that only white people are capable of being middle-class bores
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 10:50 (seventeen years ago)
#112 Hummus
Um. More what Jewish people like. Hello?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 11:02 (seventeen years ago)
This must be my most successful thread revival ever - not that that is saying much.
I would like to reiterate the historical, retrospective dimension to the revival of the thread. That is, I suddenly remembered the existence of this thing, which I hadn't thought about for ages. And it was odd cos I could remember a time when everyone was talking about it for a while. Not really long ago, but they feel like long months, with all that has happened in between. And it struck me that people used to have intricate debates about whether this was good, funny or reactionary, etc - and that all that seemed to have fallen away with hindsight. With hindsight, of course it was rubbish, but also, of course it was reactionary - and it did strike me that the Palin etc campaign helped to establish and emphasize that fact; which is not to assert that there are any practical connections between that campaign and this site.
It was Contenderizer, yes, who fought that good fight against the site back in the day. I really appreciated what he said.
I always thought, and still think, that the site was unfunny and bad. I always thought, and still think, that its name or premise was racist.
All the defences of the site's politics, ot the idea of its anarchic / satirical lack of politics - 'it's a comedy site that's laughing at people; it doesn't represent a political position in any way' - seem to me to evaporate before posts from the site like those healthcare / PSB that have been posted above. Those are simply right-wing rhetoric of a very ugly and wearying kind. The fact that it is supposed to funny (though I don't think it at all funny) does not vitiate this at all. Nor, to me, do any counter-claims on the part of the authors. What they have written and published here is ugly right-wing rhetoric.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 11:33 (seventeen years ago)
Come on pinefox, it's just a bit of fun.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 11:43 (seventeen years ago)
weird thread to revive, since the new issue of the new yorker has a nice little piece by henry louis gates jr about his family
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 12:27 (seventeen years ago)
this thread is like this
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 12:34 (seventeen years ago)
why is ilx always agonized by young urban white hipsters' self-loathing ...ohhhh pfff
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)
this reminds me of epic hand-wringing threads over Vice magazine irony & Momus approaching "right-wing ideology" back in the day
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:16 (seventeen years ago)
don't forget the o.g. thread that started it all -
Indie Guilt: C/D
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:29 (seventeen years ago)
oops, and this one: apologetic about liking Indie music...?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:30 (seventeen years ago)
I laugh at this site, but to be fair a lot of what the author singles out is really, interestingly enough, urban behavior.
Work in the city and sometimes the only thing around is that "weird" $7 sandwich because there isn't a McDonald's or Pizza Hut nearby.
I think the site is more about who might take offense than whether the observations are "painfully true".
― u s steel, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:30 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah good times:
tom, delete ilm please!!― ethan, Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:00 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark
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― Mordy, Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:02 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
See, I thought this one was pretty spot-on, especially as someone who's been to a lot of these parties where pita triangles and hummus are the default snack food and who once, in a moment of collegiate snobbishness, rolled my eyes at someone who hadn't heard of hummus. (She was from southern Illinois.)
Whoever said upthread that the problem with the site is its weirdly edgy tone is OTM. As merely a collection of stereotypes about urban, college-educated liberals, it can be kind of funny. Half the time I don't even read past the title.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)
once, in a moment of collegiate snobbishness, rolled my eyes at someone who hadn't heard of hummus.
I did this exact thing, to a girlfriend entering her first year of college (I was in my second year, and had most likely 'discovered' hummus the year before).
― Manchego Bay (G00blar), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 14:49 (seventeen years ago)
Ha, that was exactly my situation, too, apart from it being a girlfriend.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 14:53 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, I agree. This as a moderately funny idea (should make good bathroom reading) with the tone slightly too far off what it should be, like there's too much bitterness underneath the surface.
Occasionally, the blog also points out nytimes articles genuinely worthy of mockery, like that one about Harlem gentrification and the new white residents trying to feel at home -- conspicuously absent were comments from any black people who already lived in the neighborhood! A bit ironic to write a superficially progressive piece about integration while writing entirely from the perspective of the most fearful white transplants -- with the longtime black residents imagined as a bitter, disgruntled mass just barely concealing its hatred of the newcomers.
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 14:54 (seventeen years ago)
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― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)
It's never funny
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 15:18 (seventeen years ago)
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― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)
It's a lot of things but "never funny" isn't one of them.
― Kerm, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 15:23 (seventeen years ago)
It's occasionally chuckle-inducing
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 15:27 (seventeen years ago)
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stuff gabbnebb likes would be funny
― vorsprung durch posting technik (wanko ergo sum), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 15:33 (seventeen years ago)
Maybe the reason I was bashing my head against the desk on this one is that the claims here keep ranging from "bitter / edgy" (which I don't particularly dispute) to "resembles Palin-style conservative-base opinion" (which I dispute entirely).
That one about learning languages is a good example of what I mean:
Instead you should say something like “you speak (insert language)?” to which they will reply “a little” in your native tongue. If you just leave it here, the white person will feel fantastic for the rest of the day. If you push it any further and speak quickly, the white person will just look at you with a blank stare. ... Finally, though they won’t admit it, white people do not believe that learning English is difficult. This is because if it were true, then that would mean that their housekeeper, gardener, mother-in-law (if they are an elite white person) are smarter than them. Needless to say, this realization would destroy their entire universe.
The first part of that draws its smugness from an urban-liberal-approved value -- namely, "I am less condescending toward non-native speakers of English than you," in which "you" means "asshats who are always trying to speak three words of Spanish to food-service people."
The fact that it's mocking people's earnest, corny attempts to engage with a multicultural world certain has a conservative angle, mostly in that it shares a target with conservatism. But the angle seems very different to me, as evident in the second part, which essentially says "your broken-English housekeeper still speaks more languages than you, smart guy." This is rather different from pointed conservative commentary about people in America not-speaking English -- it's essentially trying to one up a liberal value, by saying that people's efforts to learn a little Spanish are hollow and self-aggrandizing and actually less respectful of other cultures than the speaker is presenting himself as.
The level of cynicism and snark with which that is done make it read somewhat bitter-conservative, and I have zero doubt that bitter conservatives could happily read this, but there's a gap between the idea that it pointedly comes from that direction and the idea that its snark and cynicism and basic juvenile "surrounded by sheep" crap is the same as bitter conservatism.
NB this should not read as a "defense," because I hate this site, and I actually think the claims that it's ultra-right-wing are giving it way way too much credit in terms of thinking it has a point
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:05 (seventeen years ago)
This is rather different from pointed conservative commentary about people in America not-speaking English -- it's essentially trying to one up a liberal value, by saying that people's efforts to learn a little Spanish are hollow and self-aggrandizing and actually less respectful of other cultures than the speaker is presenting himself as.
ok seriously what conservative commentary have you/do you read
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:17 (seventeen years ago)
snark and cynicism and basic juvenile "surrounded by sheep" crap
ooh ooh I've got it The Fountainhead!!!
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)
this thread led me to look up dude who writes it. in interviews he comes across as just an equal opportunity douche, not some rightwing stormtrooper. he was canadian living in la trying to make it as a screenwriter or some such until he stumbled across lazy idea for a blog that caught fire. i'm sure he has internalized rightwing talking points to an extent but i think that perspective is just sort of the default worldview when you're skewering the demographic he is.
― velko, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:20 (seventeen years ago)
christ, my former (from a looong time ago) internship boss knows him, he lives near santa monica, he's just another liberal hipster douchebag, can we get over this already?
http://pastthepages.ca/080806/arts1.htmlLander gets his inspiration for the entries from his own life. “I go after myself on this,” he explained. Lander digs into himself in the entry about bikes. “I ride a six-gear bike, so I know how pretentious I am for doing that and I know how pretentious it is for me to talk about how much I love it. So, I had to call myself out, and it hurt a bit. And the ‘Knowing What’s Best for Poor People’ one, my family grew up voting NDP, so that one hurt me,” he said.While the chief purpose of the blog is to make people laugh, Lander, an aspiring comedy writer, says it inspires discussion about class and the changing face of North America. “I think by breaking it down to stuff, I mean, it’s just stuff, sandwiches, strollers, Priuses, these are just things. It makes people a little more comfortable to talk about race because it is just things. It’s done in a humorous way. You’re meant to have a laugh here, and not a mean-spirited laugh,” Lander explained.
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:54 (seventeen years ago)
if anything hate him for the half a million dollar book advance
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 18:55 (seventeen years ago)
whats pretentious about a six-gear bike
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:00 (seventeen years ago)
stuff white people like:
acknowledging their own hipsterness is "painful"
― omar little, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)
Why does this make people upset? Hit a little too close to home?
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:04 (seventeen years ago)
You can't see why it's troubling to reduce, say, the push for universal healthcare to some sort of "lazy white middle class people want to be artists" thing?
― Melissa W, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:18 (seventeen years ago)
if he was a politician, yes, troubling. if he was, say, a struggling comedy writer posting shit on a blog, no, not troubling.
― Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:24 (seventeen years ago)
#101 Being Offended
― Kerm, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:25 (seventeen years ago)
It's still dumb/troubling, I'd say; I'm just not convinced it has as explicit an agenda as some are claiming here.
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:33 (seventeen years ago)
#102 picking out the hidden agenda in comedic blogs
― Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:36 (seventeen years ago)
agenda: get hits, book deal.
― my inbox so hot (will), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:38 (seventeen years ago)
I don't really see how the agenda matters when there's a large percentage of people who take it really seriously, though. There are a lot of people (even supposed liberals) who get their talking points from shit like this, and it's just...hard enough to get people to take important issues seriously these days without some lol edgy hipster saying they're just being clueless white people by engaging with just about anything. And implying really weird things about the cultures of people of color on top of it all.
― Melissa W, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:40 (seventeen years ago)
I don't disagree with you -- the main contention I've been weirded out by here is that the blog is somehow Palin-like, as opposed to, as you say, "lol edgy hipster."
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:43 (seventeen years ago)
Maybe Palin is just the ultimate lol edgy hipster.
― Melissa W, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:44 (seventeen years ago)
Hahaha possibly people read the parts where I said "it's a lot like a dumb ILX thread" as a claim that it was innocuous, whereas in fact those were claims that it is maddeningly awful
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:44 (seventeen years ago)
tbh i think tombot's jpg sums up my feeling about the whole site pretty well
― omar little, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:45 (seventeen years ago)
six geared bikes are retro grouchy
― hyperspace situation (gbx), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:46 (seventeen years ago)
o man this just in: an acquaintence of mine (he's white, btw) just got a job as a runner in my office and apparently his supervisor (he's black, btw) was checking the browser history on this guy's work pc (which is a little o_O imo, as that doesn't seem to be protocol around here, unless something real shady is suspected of going down). Supervisor sees that the new guy had visited the 'stuff white people like' website and called him into the office to talk to him about it(!) My guy stammers something about it being just stupid satire, making fun of white folx, etc. After the meeting, one of the senior runner dudes goes in and assures the boss that the new guy isn't with St0rm Fr0nt or anything...
ummm lol?
― my inbox so hot (will), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:16 (seventeen years ago)
acquaintance
and then they talked for a few hours about whether SWPL is actually conservative or not?
― vermonter, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:20 (seventeen years ago)
Ha, my boss was leaning over my shoulder while I had this thread open in another tab -- I'm a little scared to imagine what her internal response to that was
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:21 (seventeen years ago)
If asked about it I will claim that I am innocently researching the dominant culture for assimilation purposes
― nabisco, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:22 (seventeen years ago)
"stuff white people lik..."
― my inbox so hot (will), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:24 (seventeen years ago)
lol nab
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:42 (seventeen years ago)
race threads always winning around here
― cutty, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:44 (seventeen years ago)
I'd like to briefly weigh in and say that I never thought the site was especially racist compared to other indie junk (Vice Magazine et al.), but I ALWAYS thought it was fucking tedious.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:49 (seventeen years ago)
Cheetos i am wite btw
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 20:53 (seventeen years ago)
I can't claim to have read a lot of this site, but my gut reaction after scanning it and this thread is that this has nothing to do with race or politics and everything to do with class resentment by someone who is casting way too wide a net.
― shortwave (rockapads), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 21:11 (seventeen years ago)
That was kind of what I thought you meant, actually. So basically you think it's crap and kind of crypto-conservative but in a half-assed and poorly-thought-out way, even compared to someone like PJ O'Rourke who at least has a position to stand on? Then we do agree.
That public broadcasting thing doesn't even make sense to me on its own terms. My parents are/were immigrants from the 'third world'. Public broadcasting + the daily newspaper are virtually the only North American mass media they do consume (after living here for over 30 years). I'd be impressed if they could name a professional North American sports team or a current top 40 hit. (Also, they both have graduate degrees FWIW.) I don't think they're that atypical amongst their friends (or amongst 'immigrants from the 3rd world' that this guy probably knows if he's from Toronto). (If anything, the blog would make sense to me if things like "hockey" and "soft rock music" were listed as stuff white people like.) I know they don't speak for all immigrants or anything but still...
― Sundar, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 21:18 (seventeen years ago)
"what I thought you meant" = "innocuous"
― Sundar, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 21:19 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.holytaco.com/2008/06/03/the-10-most-worthless-college-majors/
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 21:58 (seventeen years ago)
nabisco we can all cut and paste long tracts from this guy's numbingly vast web site to back up a point or two. but looking at it overall, it sounds suspiciously like you're saying "he doesn't examine his politics and isn't consistent, therefore he doesn't really have politics". Perhaps relative to a Republican governor this is true but that's a straw moose you've constructed there.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 22:24 (seventeen years ago)
Can I just say this thread is like sooo old-ILX. Mel Caramel! Sundar!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 22:25 (seventeen years ago)
i prefer my theory from the first half of the thread where this dude is a secret conservative plant that is supposed to appear liberal makes fun of liberals !!! but is secretly funded by like the Cato group or something -- sorta how i felt about 'obama girl'
― deej, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 22:29 (seventeen years ago)
not that i necessarily think its LIKELY but its so stupid i dont think its hard to believe
i wonder if conservatives who didnt like palin wondered if she was a trojan horse designed to sabotage the ticket
― deej, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 22:30 (seventeen years ago)
Giuliani!for PresidentObama!gonna representGiuliani!for the G.O.P.Obama!Reppin Huh-wah-ee
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 23:07 (seventeen years ago)
God it's a shame Giuliani didn't get the nom - that song was amazing
So basically you think it's crap and kind of crypto-conservative but in a half-assed and poorly-thought-out way, even compared to someone like PJ O'Rourke who at least has a position to stand on? Then we do agree.
The one change I'd make to this is that I think of "crypto-conservative" as meaning that someone is hiding a secret conservative agenda, whereas this guy strikes me as accidentally backing into conservative rhetoric in the search for a good vantage point from which to be snarky.
Tracer, that was a tract someone else posted upthread for discussion! Also my claims are and has always been that (a) his main goal strikes me as being a quest for maximum snark and eye-rolling superiority, (b) I see no evidence that he has a coherent political agenda, (c) in the moments where he mouths conservative-sounding things, they strike me as positions he is opportunistically staking out because they're easier to snark from, and (d) that even he is taking up those spaces, the tone and thrust of it seem to be a million miles away from the way the bulk of Palin-style Republicans would ever talk about these things. (I think you'd have to make that "urban-cynic batshitty Republicans" before there was even half an argument.)
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:26 (seventeen years ago)
Note that I don't think "accidentally backing into conservative rhetoric in the search for a good vantage point from which to be snarky" is somehow a better thing to be than actually pointedly conservative, just a different one.
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:27 (seventeen years ago)
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:58 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
Not only not very funny, but wrong about Philosophy. Philosophy at a good school is probably the most rigorous liberal arts major you can have -- great prep for law school especially.
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:32 (seventeen years ago)
I don't actually know what "Palin-style Republican" means, apart from elected conservative officials. Seriously - I'm not being willfully obtuse, i just don't know what is meant by that.
I think it's a classic conservative move to say "I'm not really political" - i.e. "it's just a bit of fun". But I also think people who think this of themselves really believe that - they're not being crafty or anything. The problem is that it's wrong. The very people who believe they are the least political have the most unexamined assumptions about how society ought to work, who should benefit, who should pay, and I think this guy bears it out to a T. Sure, he probably doesn't have an "agenda" of any kind. He probably thinks of himself as pretty with it - certainly not some square like his parents. But he's just chockablock with this old conservative crap - it just crawls up through the seams in post after post.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:38 (seventeen years ago)
I mean "actually pointedly conservative" is probably a pretty rare duck, don't you think, as far as somethhing resembling the way anyone would describe themselves to a friend or family member?
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:41 (seventeen years ago)
i am so suggest banning the pinefox for reviving this fuckin' thread
― dumb pseud (some dude), Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)
(b) I see no evidence that he has a coherent political agenda, (c) in the moments where he mouths conservative-sounding things, they strike me as positions he is opportunistically staking out because they're easier to snark from
this.
― caek, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:50 (seventeen years ago)
Tracer I have completely lost your thinking here -- surely surely surely you recognize some difference between someone with knee-jerk cultural poses that coincide with conservative mentalities (this describes about 70% of people who have ever done stand-up comedy) and someone who is pointedly, actively, knowingly putting forth right-wing argument.
By "Palin-style Republican" I am referring to the fact that Palin symbolizes a different Republican demographic/mindset/cultural-worldview than, say, Olympia Snowe or back-when-he-was-a-Republican Bloomberg.
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:52 (seventeen years ago)
Really though, if you think conservative positions are easy to snark from, doesn't that pretty much make you a conservative?
Serious question. I think to be like him and to find snark/humor from those particular vantage points, you'd have to see some sort of merit in that perspective to find it humorous rather than incredibly sad.
x-post
― Melissa W, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:53 (seventeen years ago)
nabisco, OK, I agree that this site doesn't resemble Sarah Palin, or anyone who is pointedly, actively, knowingly putting forth a right-wing argument!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 November 2008 00:59 (seventeen years ago)
I think Melissa's first sentence there ^ is U&K
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:00 (seventeen years ago)
I mean at the risk of losing you again, but in the hopes that you can see that point, as I have conceded yours - surely (surely) you recognize that performers like Penn Gillette and early Dennis Leary and Carlos Mencia and Larry the Cable Guy and a million more innocuous examples can quite often represent "the unfunny comic version of Palin Culture War right-wing BS" without even realizing it.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:11 (seventeen years ago)
Ha, OK, I used the prefix "crypto-" wrongly. I meant more in the sense of "betraying some fundamentally conservative assumptions and attitudes, that are quite possibly not even apparent to the author himself", essentially what Tracer and Melissa are saying I think:
xposts
― Sundar, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:14 (seventeen years ago)
aren't two of those people avowed right-wingers? xp
― gabbneb, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:14 (seventeen years ago)
(When did ILXors become so concerned with authors' intentions??)
― Sundar, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:17 (seventeen years ago)
gabby I have no idea. Substitute "random prick comedian who 'tells it like it is'" if you want to.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:17 (seventeen years ago)
You can identify them my their mating call - "amirite!!?"
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:18 (seventeen years ago)
It's always great to agree with Tracer Hand.
I don't know why Nabisco bothers defending this piece of shit with such vehemence and energy.
Nabisco is really talking himself round all kinda circles saying things like 'this wanker is saying lots of right-wing things to get a laugh but that doesn't mean he's right-wing! actually he's a Canadian whatever rather than an Alaskan moose-hunter' etc. But I haven't met the wanker, don't want to, never will -- just seen his website, which is his big claim to fame, back in the day. So I'll judge him on the content of that, and it's a load of right-wing bullshit. What he says elsewhere, what he looks like, etc, don't affect that fact. I don't believe he has a big coherent 'agenda' in wanting Sarah Palin to be elected (maybe he does, probably he doesn't). That makes no difference to the fact that he has posted a lot of reactionary shit. He has written and published screeds and screeds of this bollox, almost all of it reactionary in tendency. None of what has been said above makes that any prettier.
Also, his site is not funny or intelligent, so is not redeemed by those things. It's totally dumb (as Nabisco correctly said, not acknowledging that you could be reactionary and dumb at the same timer) and totally unfunny. I don't think it has ever been funny for a second. God, what a tosser it was that created this shitty site.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:21 (seventeen years ago)
suggest ban^^
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:36 (seventeen years ago)
www.stuffthebritishlike.com
― ian, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:39 (seventeen years ago)
(re: worthless college majors, i def. do not agree with the list - women's studies and polisci major that I am, I am forever deeply suspicious of lists like this, especially this one which is full of such total baloney. Art history is worthless because the only person they see at museums is someone working the front desk?)
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:49 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, let's take some more shitty blogs seriously, it's a slow night
― velko, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:53 (seventeen years ago)
English major is on that list, but not History major? As an English major I made a pretty good living as a writer ... editor ... proofreader ... and all sorts of other bullshit. It's usually some dork-ass engineering or computer loser who gets all huffy about liberal arts degrees. [shoveling cheetos into his fat, goateed mouth] "huhuh enlgish major. what kind-of job are you going to get, shakrespeare impersonator? huhuhuh"
― burt_stanton, Thursday, 27 November 2008 01:57 (seventeen years ago)
gabby I have no idea
you have no idea what 'Larry the Cable Guy's politics are? does this answer the question? As a libertarian (who actually cops to Ron Paul's racist newsletter bullshit), Penn Jillette is on the right side of a number issues (unsurprising for a Harvard guy), but is also a well-known free-market ideologue and Fellow of the CATO Institute who shares most of the cranky libertarian male weirdo personality-based distrust of any remotely mainstream political figure. Mencia has also admitted to being a conservative of sorts. Dennis Leary, otoh, while coming from a atraditionalist background, is explicitly aligned left of center.
― gabbneb, Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:04 (seventeen years ago)
As a dork-ass computer loser who probably makes more money than you, Burt, STFU.
― Trayce, Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:20 (seventeen years ago)
^^ i think that was his point, trayce :(
― ian, Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:27 (seventeen years ago)
Ah, yes well. Carry on. Nothing to see here.
― Trayce, Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:40 (seventeen years ago)
not that i would ever accuse you of eating cheetos or anything.
― ian, Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:42 (seventeen years ago)
No, I'm a dorito person.
― Trayce, Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:45 (seventeen years ago)
DORITO BREATH
― thereminimum chips (electricsound), Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:50 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.westportlibrary.org/teenblog/images/comic-book-guy-13018.jpg
― Trayce, Thursday, 27 November 2008 02:58 (seventeen years ago)
90% of the examples that have been cited re: this blog's "conservatism" seem to be attacking white bourgeois liberals' supposed hypocrisy in practicing their ideals, rather than those ideals per se. Honestly, I've heard less tongue-in-cheek, more earnest variations of a lot of this stuff from communist/anarchist friends of mine.
― i fuck mathematics, Thursday, 27 November 2008 03:49 (seventeen years ago)
I honestly find it really bizarre that intelligent people are even thinking this hard about whether it's some kind of "crypto-conservative" blog. It's so obviously not.
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Thursday, 27 November 2008 04:18 (seventeen years ago)
We all are responsible for the garbage we type on to the internet. Sometimes someone annoys us and forces us to rethink our assumptions and beliefs in regards to the sensitive areas. Sometimes someone annoys us and "Fuck you, Asshole, because You Suck shit and so does your site and your ideas and your future bargain bin remainder."
― james k polk, Thursday, 27 November 2008 07:42 (seventeen years ago)
um, before I got a registration here, and was a lurker, this original discussion and my strong opinions about it led me to jump down somebody's throat on another forum.
― james k polk, Thursday, 27 November 2008 07:45 (seventeen years ago)
We're not thinking hard about it
― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 November 2008 10:59 (seventeen years ago)
A lot of the things you people are reading into this are nuts.
If anything, if you're desperate to see this as left-wing/right-wing, it only makes sense to read SWPL as coming from the left. The site, if it's deliberately political at all, is so obviously less "haha people recycle, what's the point?" and more "haha people recycle and think they've done their bit - they need to do more!"
But it isn't even like that. There's nothing deliberately political about it.
The site is so fucking obviously a mix of two different, bog-standard forms of humour:
1. Human folly: "Haha, isn't it funny that people have grand ideas about the importance of their own lives that are frequently scuppered by laziness and the desire to fit in etc. It's kind of sad too, but it's funny, especially when I examine how this is manifested in people like us and like others we know!"
2. Observation: "Haha, there are things that crop up quite often in our lives (i.e. the lives of people who read and write funny blogs) and I bet it will make you laugh if I list them and describe them in the style of a martian who has only now encountered this culture! I bet it will make a lot of these things sound silly!"
That's it! No one would have noticed it if it weren't for the hook of "white people", but it's just your standard "how others might see us" trope, written by and for reasonably well-off, reasonably culturally-aware people (i.e. the kind of people who read funny blogs), and sometimes it's quite amusing. That's it!
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 27 November 2008 13:37 (seventeen years ago)
It's not amusing
― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 November 2008 15:24 (seventeen years ago)
i am so sick of seeing that toasted sandwich and not being able to eat it
― GSOHSHIT (blueski), Thursday, 27 November 2008 15:25 (seventeen years ago)
Fair enough. If you don't laugh, you don't laugh, and the site may well be objectively stupid and unfunny. But your "load of right-wing bullshit" etc is ridiculous and misses the point. It would be easy to describe, say, your "goodness these baffling modern pastimes" act as conservative, right-wing bullshit too, because it often happens to resemble what you might get in the Mail, but that would be ridiculous and missing the point also, I guess.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 27 November 2008 15:57 (seventeen years ago)
What pastimes?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)
Do any of you pampered wired-up white boys actually talk like that? I think this thread should be boycotted.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 7 August 2008 14:13 (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)
Should I Get An I-Pod?
― jaymc, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:02 (seventeen years ago)
Do you also think Tracer Hand is ridiculous for thinking that the site contains a lot of right-wing BS - which he has pretty much said repeatedly, and correctly? Or are you scared to disagree with him?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:04 (seventeen years ago)
I do have an iPod.
The battery runs out very quickly. I don't think there's much to be done about that. That seems to me the biggest single drawback of the iPod.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:05 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4670678808
number one google result for "on dis ting", which contains a disgracefully inflammatory anti-American image
― MPx4A, Thursday, 7 August 2008 15:35 (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
S.V.M CAW U BOIIS THINK YOUR LYKE TONI MONTANNA AND TING BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYY
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Thursday, 7 August 2008 15:36 (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I think in this context it implies that Liverpool will not be taking their opportunity to win the Premier League in 2008
― MPx4A, Thursday, 7 August 2008 15:37 (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the link: I don't get it. And I don't like the look of that page or the culture that it seems to represent.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 7 August 2008 15:38 (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:07 (seventeen years ago)
As I said, first line of my first response in this thread: A lot of the things you people are reading into this are nuts. I didn't really have time to itemise "you people" or the things you were saying that were nuts. It is obvious who was included. And then you, in particular, piped up again.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:11 (seventeen years ago)
you really don't think this is republican trade nowadays? are you familiar with the fine art of right-wing concern trolling? look:
HOUSE #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in ONE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not located in a Northern or Midwestern ‘snow belt’ either. It’s in the South.
HOUSE #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every “green” feature current home construction can provide. The house only contains 4000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually about 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks, and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water than irrigates the land surrounding the house.
And now, the punch line:
HOUSE #1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville, Tennessee. It is the house of that environmental messiah himself, Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas. It is the residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.Al Gore wins Nobel prizes and Hollywood awards. George Bush is vilified. Insert your own ‘inconvenient truth’ joke here.
do you think whoever wrote that is actually interested in enviromentalism, or just shitting on al gore? that's where this blog is coming from
― dat dude delmar (and what), Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:12 (seventeen years ago)
I've disagreed with Tracer and posted such (cosigning nabisco's posts because he is wiser than me, but you get the point).
I'm ignoring you PF, because, despite saying things that are materially similar to Tracer, the way you say them suggests to me that you have another agenda or are mental.
― caek, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:13 (seventeen years ago)
I mean, if criticizing liberal types for failing to live up to their ideals is right-wing, wouldn't that make Dr. Morbius some sort of arch-conservative?
― i fuck mathematics, Thursday, 27 November 2008 19:05 (seventeen years ago)
― GSOHSHIT
OTM
― moley, Thursday, 27 November 2008 20:27 (seventeen years ago)
it has nothing to do w/ this blog not 'living up to its ideals' u goof
― deej, Thursday, 27 November 2008 20:53 (seventeen years ago)
Melissa W was OTM, also I like this bizarro nu-ilx universe where the pinefox is "mental" and eyeball kicks is "not"
Dr Morbius does venture into green pacifist libertarian territory at times, which would make him a sort of arch-conservative (he even hates football) if you actually consider that american political history goes back further than WW2 or WW1, and (for example) interventionist foreign policy is some young bullshit
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 27 November 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)
you can self-identify as liberal or anarchist or even communist (lol neocon trostkyite heritage) and actually be a conservative, especially a big-government modern conservative. see for example genuine puma types who were all about being racist as fuck and supporting a candidate who was into flag burning amendments and censoring video games who identify (correctly) as "lifelong democrats." shit is like pac-man, kids, you go off one side and come out on the other
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 27 November 2008 21:03 (seventeen years ago)
You misunderstand me; I'm saying that the blog is criticizing "white people" for not living up to their ideals, albeit not in an explicitly political way, as Morbs would. (It doesn't really couch this criticism in a broad/concrete enough context to be truly left-wing per se, but it's certainly not conservative.)
BTW, I hope no one is still trying to argue that this blog's intentionally right-wing. I mean, in the rare instances where he does drop his cynical pose, it's pretty clear where he's coming from.)
Also keep in mind that, like nabisco, I'm not defending the quality of the blog, which is a totally different issue from its implicit politics.
(Tom: "Liberal politics" and "conservative politics", like "left" and "right", have never really been simply about pro-newness/change vs. anti-newness/change, or at least in the way they're used 90% of the time in actual political discussions. Besides, I really question your apparent assertion that interventionism as a left-wing position is something new. What about the leftist/socialist opposition to Wilson during WWI?)
― i fuck mathematics, Thursday, 27 November 2008 21:22 (seventeen years ago)
To be clear, I have no idea whether eyeball kicks is mental. Also, I don't actually think pinefox is, and I'm sorry for any offence caused. My point when I said "he has an agenda or is mental" was that the tone of his posts suggests that he has been reading on the Internet about "trolling" and has decided to try it out.
― caek, Thursday, 27 November 2008 21:35 (seventeen years ago)
Mark C once called me mental too. Stiff white people don't like.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 27 November 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
stfu white people like
― dat dude delmar (and what), Thursday, 27 November 2008 21:54 (seventeen years ago)
Haha.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 27 November 2008 21:55 (seventeen years ago)
Mathematics guy, if (like SWPL's author) you write screeds and screeds, reams and reams, of unfunny bog-standard reactionary rhetoric and attract millions of readers, then what 'intention' are you satisfying?
I doubt that the author's intention was primarily political. It was probably self-interested, self-publicizing, looking for an angle, etc -- but also, as people very accurately said way upthread, there is a frenzied note of malice in it, a sweaty, anxious ressentiment. That may be part of the 'intention' too. The result, anyway, is ... reams and reams, of unfunny bog-standard reactionary rhetoric. If you publish that stuff, then you have to take responsibility for having put ... reams and reams of unfunny bog-standard reactionary rhetoric out there for a huge readership.
Like Tombot, I find it quite unsurprising that Dr Morbius could be seen as 'conservative' somehow, though I also feel sorry for that Doc sometimes - he seems to get a rough ride. Maybe he enjoys it. Tombot's comments on the bizarro universe cheer me. Like him, I think Melissa W, whom I don't know, was wise and accurate on this thread.
It's - always! - nice to agree with Tracer Hand and Sundar Subramanian. They are bright people I like.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 November 2008 23:04 (seventeen years ago)
Apropos of nothing else, you can see by the comments on the blog what kind of audience it *attracts*, regardless of the author's intent. Ugh.
― Trayce, Thursday, 27 November 2008 23:10 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, but you can find a lot of horrible comments on just about any popular site that allows them.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 27 November 2008 23:37 (seventeen years ago)
like popular music discussion site http://www.ilxor.com
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 27 November 2008 23:38 (seventeen years ago)
― the oakmarten (velko), Thursday, 27 November 2008 23:45 (seventeen years ago)
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/PappaWheelie/punch.gif
― yellowcard holds the text of a yellow card warning (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 28 November 2008 00:31 (seventeen years ago)
I'm saying that the blog is criticizing "white people" for not living up to their ideals
Not "white people"; white liberals. That difference can't be stressed enough.
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 28 November 2008 00:56 (seventeen years ago)
And let's be even more specific -- Northeastern college-educated urban liberals. Try doing a search for "nascar" on stuffwhitepeoplelike, for instance.
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 28 November 2008 00:59 (seventeen years ago)
"stuff persons born unto privilege like"
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 01:15 (seventeen years ago)
this blog is one half of a sinbad joke and about as funny
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 01:18 (seventeen years ago)
i kinda think this is really funny, the one about gay friends is funny anyway.
― I know, right?, Friday, 28 November 2008 01:21 (seventeen years ago)
listen i know plenty of "mighty white" people and i laugh about it but strip-mining cultural signifiers with a fine-toothed snark and you end up with "white people" being used as a derogatory epithet as multifaceted and meaningless as "hipster"
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 01:32 (seventeen years ago)
I just don't really think it comes across as snarky, more affectionate. Noticing things is an affectionate thing to do.
― I know, right?, Friday, 28 November 2008 01:35 (seventeen years ago)
I used to go out with this guy who could come across as really abrupt and cold to people and he would get really bad reactions to emails and texts he would send people, and he would read them back in a tone of voice where they sounded lovely and that is genuinely how he meant them but without hearing him read them, they came across as really abrupt and cold.
― I know, right?, Friday, 28 November 2008 01:37 (seventeen years ago)
Not "white people"; white liberals. That difference can't be stressed enough.― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, November 28, 2008 12:56 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, November 28, 2008 12:56 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark
I think it's clear to anyone who as ever met a white person that this site is about liberal hipsters, not white people. The title is an attempt at humour. The way he treats one of the most culturally vocal groups as representative of an entire race is presumably meant to parody old-fashioned tourist guides/geography textbooks. This blog has plenty of problems (not being funny being one of the most serious), but the title isn't one of them.
― caek, Friday, 28 November 2008 01:41 (seventeen years ago)
omg you are ascribing way too much creative intention to a simple person's race anxiety blog
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 01:44 (seventeen years ago)
that goes for pretty much everyone on this thread who's posited some political intention insidiously folded into the content of the blog, i mean there is a subtext there but you can't assume it has intention
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 01:49 (seventeen years ago)
elmo I couldn't care less what the guy's intentions are.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 November 2008 01:52 (seventeen years ago)
I don't know that "intention" is a meaningful word in this context. I think it's more about reading the blog and thinking "This guy is a sub-Matt Parker/Trey Stone fuckface".
(xpost)
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 28 November 2008 01:54 (seventeen years ago)
haha ok, let me be clear: what i'm saying is that there is no intention, only compulsion. dude is attempting to assert / subvert ideas of racial identity but i'm pretty certain he's only writing obliquely about his own issues, nothing more.
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 01:56 (seventeen years ago)
"my parents were emotionally repressed and withholding of intimacy and my white friends made fun of me for saying i liked rap when i was 13"
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 02:09 (seventeen years ago)
(just as an aside, one of my friends declared her halloween costume this year as "a white girl dressed as a white girl dressed as an american indian" and i just had to roll my eyes at how she cloaked her childlike desire to dress up like pocahontas in a couple layers of self-effacing race-consciousness. white indeed.)
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 02:19 (seventeen years ago)
you are ascribing way too much creative intention to a simple person's race anxiety blog
^^ stuff white people like.
― ian, Friday, 28 November 2008 02:20 (seventeen years ago)
This is the most boring thing to argue about in the world. We need a new Vampire Weekend.
― burt_stanton, Friday, 28 November 2008 02:22 (seventeen years ago)
I think that's really the key divide on this one. People who assume he's writing from within, "about his own issues" and as a member of the community he's lampooning, seem to be more sympathetic. But I suspect that, like Parker/Stone, he has the knack of making people think that he identifies as one of them -- liberal, urbanite, recovering hipster -- when in reality, he doesn't.
In other words, part of South Park's success -- besides the fact that it's intermittently hilarious -- is that it casts itself as the equal-opportunity class clown who pokes holes in people's pretensions and will happily take the piss out of anybody, so that everyone can potentially identify with it and see it as an advocate for common sense -- i.e. a kind of comic Barnum effect. Yet as many others have pointed out, Parker/Stone most definitely do have a pseudo-libertarian ideology that comes through in the shows, and it can get pretty gross sometimes.
So I don't care about the dude's intentions, or whether or not he used to be a Williamsburg hipster -- but I don't think he's writing about his own issues, either. Either way, I'm just revolted by how many of his posts cleave so closely to right-wing talking points, and to right-wing conceptions of what it means to be a young liberal.
(Though I'm more revolted by how poorly-written and just plain stupid most of the site is: "Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida -- it's social death"? What is this shit?)
xpost to elmo
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 28 November 2008 02:30 (seventeen years ago)
yeah but isn't cleaving to libertarian values just a symptom of being a disaffected gimlet-eyed loner?
― the magic length of god (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 November 2008 02:39 (seventeen years ago)
This problem of communication and receivability, in its new techno-economic givens, is more serious than ever for everyone. Who was it who said that? Derrida?
― moley, Friday, 28 November 2008 02:41 (seventeen years ago)
I mean, go anywhere on the Internet where right-wingers congregate, and you'll see a hundred variations on this post.
xpost (to elmo) Don't know which is cause and which is effect, there...
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 28 November 2008 02:42 (seventeen years ago)
Howard Johnson is right.
― Shacknasty (Frogman Henry), Friday, 28 November 2008 02:58 (seventeen years ago)
hey yall this parodies white liberals
parody via reductio ad absurdum tends to make the target look bad, and when an author makes white liberals look bad by caricature and magnification of their worst qualities he'll certainly seem like a conservative!
funny thing though: this guy ain't
why we havin problems here?
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 November 2008 03:04 (seventeen years ago)
like is the concern that his poorly-written satire verges on the parroting of right wing talking points? cause yeah welcome to poe's law and the internet friends romans and countrymen
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 November 2008 03:06 (seventeen years ago)
if anything i'd say the fact that this dudes parodies resemble actual righty talking points says more about the absurdity of said talking points than anything crypto about the former
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 November 2008 03:07 (seventeen years ago)
This blog has plenty of problems (not being funny being one of the most serious), but the title isn't one of them.
Well, why not? Do you not see why someone might take issue with (essentially) attributing values and mores associated with higher education, upward mobility, high-culture aspirations, and progressive thinking (even in imperfect and possibly hypocritical form) to white people per se? This would seem especially problematic if you do take the 'self-deprecation' tack. The public broadcasting entry demonstrates this blatantly, I think. (I commented on it upthread.)
At least PJ O'Rourke (or even I dunno, Rush Limbaugh for that matter) just identifies his targets as "liberals" when he writes virtually identical things.
(All this said, I don't actually know why I should spend so much time protesting a stupid comedy blog when I happily listened to something as blatantly offensive as Doggystyle a couple of hours ago. Clearly, I'm just too lazy to focus on tomorrow's lecture.)
3xpost
― Sundar, Friday, 28 November 2008 03:13 (seventeen years ago)
HOOS, I think the point is just that: The satire is so crap and poorly-written that it "verges on the parroting of right wing talking points". Not totally sure why there's a fine line though. Just because of the author's personal stance?? A lot of the avowed right-wingers who have been mentioned surely also feel that they're parodying 'elite' liberals.
― Sundar, Friday, 28 November 2008 03:22 (seventeen years ago)
if anything i'd say the fact that this dudes parodies resemble actual righty talking points says more about the absurdity of said talking points than anything crypto about the former― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, November 28, 2008 3:07 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, November 28, 2008 3:07 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 November 2008 03:25 (seventeen years ago)
(And Poe's Law would apply better if the blog was meant as a parody of conservatives.)
xpost That point would too.
― Sundar, Friday, 28 November 2008 03:25 (seventeen years ago)
damn i feel judo'd
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 November 2008 03:29 (seventeen years ago)
not kidding!
― BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 November 2008 03:31 (seventeen years ago)
good grief, this thread
― caek, Friday, 28 November 2008 03:31 (seventeen years ago)
I really question your apparent assertion that interventionism as a left-wing position is something new
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy
― TOMBOT, Friday, 28 November 2008 04:12 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, that sort of came out wrong. I meant to type "non-interventionism" obviously, and even then it's a bit of a stretch to conclude that that's what you were saying above... though you're completely wrong when you say interventionist foreign policy is something new, maybe for the U.S. it is, but definitely not in a wider sense.
― i fuck mathematics, Friday, 28 November 2008 04:43 (seventeen years ago)
I feel obligated to interject something here like "lol why are you guys thinkin so much about this, pfffft". So, ahem.
lol why are you guys thinkin so much about this, pfffft
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 November 2008 10:58 (seventeen years ago)
1243: fencing stolen cars:
― go read a blog you illiterate son of a bitch (internet person), Saturday, 29 November 2008 03:37 (seventeen years ago)
oh, snaphttp://www.plentymag.com/features/2008/11/stuff_environmentalists_like_p.php
― velko, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 00:14 (seventeen years ago)
This was a pretty funny site but the reaction to the site from some white liberals has probably been just as funny. The reason the site was such a hit, I think, was that for years people (white or otherwise) usually criticized "white culture" in a way that was really safe and straw-mannish. The "beautiful lawns and white picket fences" was easy because a) it was a mainstay from ancient counter-cultural critics b) because you were admitting, if you were white, that you too recognized the awfulness and that you weren't siding with it. Plus it was really just a criticism of conservatism dressed up as a mockery of white culture (a reciprocal complaint has been tossed around on this thread). A black family that lived such a white bread lifestyle wouldn't get much more sympathy than their white counter-parts.
Now comes a site like this where - and I don't know the political ideology of the creator - the joke is that some of the whitest people in America are actually white liberals/cosmopolitans, and the thrust of that joke, this idea of using the usually derogatory word "white" to describe a lot of things we all like, stings a bit. Most collegiate (or collegiate-minded) white people are used to being able to throw the word "white" around as an insult while enjoying the comfort of knowing they're not like those people. They get to have it both ways and display false humility. And then here comes a site that says that listening to Fela Kuti is something white people love to do because it makes them feel cultured and it just makes people feel uncomfortable.
People can say the site isn't representing all white people (and that's true) but, at the same time, it hits miles closer to home than the typical fantasy of "White people are like those happy-go-lucky families in David Lynch movies that are just hiding their rottenness...yeah." That joke went stale fifty years ago. White people shouldn't be allowed to have it so easy in the way of self-satire.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:40 (seventeen years ago)
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:45 (seventeen years ago)
oh man, cunga so otm, it hurts
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:46 (seventeen years ago)
i dont see how this is a superior version, considering that yah black ppl also have picket fences but they also listen to fela kuti -- yr just switching one stereotype for another & its just as lazy -- the fact is that these stereotypes 'of white people' are actually stereotypes of black people reversed, & are therefore just as reinforcing of stereotype as, say, "white people have no rhythm!" -- which is 'secretly' a stereotype of black people
― xhuxk d (deej), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:47 (seventeen years ago)
It's true that a very common stereotype of black people is that they have picket fences and listen to Fela Kuti.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:49 (seventeen years ago)
Someone had to.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:50 (seventeen years ago)
Man, all the times I heard that one growing up!
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:50 (seventeen years ago)
dan im saying the opposite!!
― xhuxk d (deej), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:50 (seventeen years ago)
its a stereotype that black ppl live in the inner city and listen to young jeezy -- so its safe to say white people get 'everything else' -- if this site was really interested in critiquing the stereotype that black people 'only' live in the inner city it would have to be a little more clever than switching one set of 'white people' to contrast w/ another
― xhuxk d (deej), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:52 (seventeen years ago)
deej likes white boys?
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:56 (seventeen years ago)
I'm still with deej. Site doesn't call out white culture shit, it calls out urban, liberal (mostly) white culture shit and passes it off as the new whiteness. Now, Cunga's kinda right in saying that it's fresher than the old crew-cut dad in hornrims whiteness, and on that level, fine. But I'm not bugged by this cuz it's "calling me out" or "hitting too close to home."
I'm bugged because A) This isn't really white culture stuff, it's educated, middle-class, liberal city people stuff, and that culture is more mixed than the midcentury suburban stereotypes the old model was based on (though, sure, still overwhelmingly white). By pretending that this culture IS exclusively and comically white-white-white, it seems to implicitly shut other groups off into stereotype dungeons of some other making. Maybe that's a weak rebuttal, and a good part of this is just me whining cuz I don't like humor that sneers at liberalism. Which I guess makes me the wrong audience. So be it.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 06:16 (seventeen years ago)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51o4cUzau4L._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― Mad Vigorish (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 06:27 (seventeen years ago)
to wit: i prefer my liberal-bourgeoisie bashing to be REAL old-school, esp. since SWPL doesn't really say anything that hasn't been said before (not even about its targets).
― Mad Vigorish (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 06:30 (seventeen years ago)
I wonder if an all-encompassing "narcissism of white people" thread might not better serve the topics of this argument as well as many others
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 06:32 (seventeen years ago)
more specifically "narcissism of north american white people" since I gather the EU and expatriate populations of our proud race have their own fucked uppedness that doesn't always cross over, for reasons good and bad
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 06:33 (seventeen years ago)
This blog is like the most boring thing ever and I have no idea why it's even in the slightest controversial.
― chuzzuck eddizy (libcrypt), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 06:35 (seventeen years ago)
If someone did a British version of SWPL I don't think you'd get a 1000 post thread. It would be so much cruder than US-SWPL, and wouldn't take 1000 posts of armchair psychology to work out the motivations of the author. We'd all be just, "wow, that guy is racist", and call it a thread.
― caek, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 07:10 (seventeen years ago)
(Note: this says good things about race in America vs. race in Britain)
hahahahahahaha yeahI don't think much of europe has developed a need for terms like "crypto-bigotry"
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 07:33 (seventeen years ago)
Results 1 - 10 of about 53,900 for cryptofascist britain.Results 1 - 10 of about 573 for cryptoracist britain
― caek, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 08:16 (seventeen years ago)
cunga still gets my vote for best post on the thread
― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 21:18 (seventeen years ago)
O will talk more about this.
the joke is that some of the whitest people in America are actually white liberals/cosmopolitans, and the thrust of that joke, this idea of using the usually derogatory word "white" to describe a lot of things we all like, stings a bit. (...) And then here comes a site that says that listening to Fela Kuti is something white people love to do because it makes them feel cultured and it just makes people feel uncomfortable.― Cunga
― Cunga
The joke is predicated on the idea that white liberals are disdainful of what they take to be "white" culture. So, switch it up, sub modern liberal tropes for old-fashioned whiteness, et voila! Watch em squirm. On that level, burn. But it's not the accuracy of the observations that's making people feel uncomfortable. It's the subtext. To sneer at conservatives is to express liberalism (in the most simpleminded way, perhaps). Just as to sneer at liberals is to express conservatism. That's just the way things work. And the observations are just not that accurate as a portrait of an exclusively white P.O.V.
Recent posts single out "Political Prisoners" and listening to older black music. As though no one but the whitest of white people fly the Free Mumia flag or listen to jazz? WTF? This just isn't white culture stuff. Framing witheringly hostile critiques of liberal pieties in this context seems warped and bitter to me. And the implicit assumptions (and explicit statements) about what non-white people do or don't do are seriously fucked up.
I guess I'm repeating the same old shit, so I'll let it lie, but I can't believe that people take this as an "all in good fun" kind of thing. The spirit behind it seems so much more vindictive and cruel than that.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 21:41 (seventeen years ago)
"To sneer at conservatives is to express liberalism (in the most simpleminded way, perhaps). Just as to sneer at liberals is to express conservatism."
I'm not really sure what else you're getting at, but this is definitely wrong. There are modes of thought that are neither liberal nor conservative (as I understand those terms, i.e. not very well).
― Euler, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 21:50 (seventeen years ago)
I thought it was revealed that the guys who write this blog are Canadian lefties. Did I imagine that?
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 22:30 (seventeen years ago)
Nope.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 22:33 (seventeen years ago)
they arent lefties
― and what, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 22:35 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rodriguez25feb25,0,1952462.columnhttp://www.heebmagazine.com/blog/view/588http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/07/05/white_people/http://boozeandlies.blogspot.com/2008/03/hot-canadians-christian-lander.html
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 22:42 (seventeen years ago)
Why Does Tail Chasing Occur?
The primary causes of excessive tail chasing often involve aspects of learned behavior or medical problems or both.
Behavioral causes: Attention-seeking, Boredom, Anxiety
Tail chasing and other stereotypic behaviors may be a result of operant conditioning, a process by which a behavior is affected by its consequences and an association is made between a stimulus and a response. Because dogs are social animals, attention from the owner is often a positive reinforcer causing an increase in the frequency of the performed behavior whether the owner intends this or not. Even adversive attention may act as a positive reinforcer of the behavior, especially when the animal receives little owner attention in the first place. In this case, any attention the dog receives is highly rewarding. This type of behavior is known as "attention-seeking behavior".
Boredom is another postulated cause of some stereotypies, but an unlikely one. A diagnosis of boredom as a cause of stereotypic behaviour can be incorrectly assumed. In fact the animal may simply have a greater need for aerobic exercise and will cease energy consuming stereotypic behaviour when activity is normal. It is not boredom per se that is the problem, but lack of exercise.
In addition, some dogs with anxiety may chase their tail as well. This anxiety may be in response to some sort of stimulus or it may be nonspecific. Sometimes if a dog has had a previous injury to an extremity, it may start chasing that region when it becomes aware of it. Such dogs are usually neurologically normal.
Medical causes: Neurological, Physical Injury/Irritation
In addition to the behavioral conditions mentioned above, neurological conditions can also cause behaviors such as whirling. Severe tail chasing has been attributed to psychomotor epilepsy and sometimes described as a seizure-related problem. There is also evidence that stereotyped behavior depends upon the dopamine systems involved in the control of movement. Dopamine turnover is increased in animals with stereotypies. This becomes important when drug treatment is to be considered. As well, there is a possibility that these behaviors may cause a release of endogenous opioids which stimulate the pleasure centers of the brain and protect the animal from perception of pain in more severe cases involving self-mutilation. In Bull Terriers, a breed that has been historically associated with dog fighting, it has been speculated that there may be a reduced pain perception, genetically passed on as an adaptation from the fighting generations. (Additional information on these neurological theories are discussed in the references cited at the end of this article).
A variety of superficial or peripheral conditions involving pain, irritation, or other sensations in the tail or hindquarters may also trigger tail chasing. Such conditions normally, however not exculsively, involve injury or disease to the skin and/or peripheral nervous system.
How Can Tail Chasing be Diagnosed and Treated?
Certain information will be required to assess the severity of the problem and help determine whether the tail chasing is learned or medical in origin. As an owner, you should keep track of the behavior and be able to describe details to a veterinarian including: duration, frequency, intensity of the behavior, as well as the dogs history and any other known cases in closely related dogs. Treating this problem can be handled through different methods depending on the suspected cause of the problem.
If you are certain the behaviour has been learned (perhaps it was inadvertently reinforced or rewarded by laughter or attention), then the treatment would involve removing the reinforcer. In this case the reward such as attention (praise or punishment) should immediately stop and be withheld anytime the dog tail chases. Initially the dog may increase the intensity of tail chasing to gain attention or gain the reward that had previously been given. It is important not to reward the behaviour. This is a critical stage leading to the extinction of the activity. It is important that all family members understand that non-reinforcement is vital and the tail chasing must be ignored at all costs. Any kind of attention or punishment will only escalate the problem.
Counterconditioning may also be an effective treatment for anxiety by again training the dog to associate an acceptable behavior with the stimulus rather than chasing its tail. In counterconditioning you would provide a reward or give attention to the dog when it is not tail chasing.
Neurological problems are best treated with medication. Studies have shown that some stereotypies are responsive to dopamine antagonists and to opiate receptor blockers. Various neurological conditions, such as psychomotor epiliepsy, can be ruled out or confirmed by observing the response to drug treatments.
Drug therapy in combination with behavior therapies have been proven to be effective in treating stereotypies including tail chasing. A veterinarian or behavioural consultant can provide more information on drug treatment as well.
Stereotypies generally are most responsive if they are treated during an early stage of development. The best results are obtained by identifying and removing the cause of the conflict, using an appropriate drug and counterconditioning. In some extreme cases tail chasing may be impossible to prevent or cure. The best prevention is to give your dog adequate attention and exercise, a suitable environment and carefully monitor its activities.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 22:56 (seventeen years ago)
Why does anyone still care about this?
― i wanna roll stuff UP, i don't wanna NOT roll stuff up!!!! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:14 (seventeen years ago)
Ah, but why do you?
There are modes of thought that are neither liberal nor conservative (as I understand those terms, i.e. not very well).― Euler
― Euler
Seems like nitpicking WR2 my point, so I'm not sure where yr. coming from. I mean, I'm sure that non-conservatives sneer at liberals too, from time to time, but it's typically conservatives that make a habit of it.
Was thinking hard about my response to this site/concept over lunch break. For one thing, I'm wrong in saying that it doesn't accurately define and call out a specifically white cultural niche. It does. The Whole Food shopping, NPR listening, bike messenger idolizing, war protesting, tempeh-eating, Hatha practicing, hip-hop appreciating, craft making (etc, ad nauseam) post-collegiate liberal thing they're dissecting does exist and IS overwhelmingly white. More to the point, it's weird and funny in all kinds of ways.
One of the main ways it's funny/weird, as others have pointed out, is how self-critical this culture is, how eager to distance itself from "traditional modes of whiteness" (put tons of quote marks around ALL this shit, wherever you want, if it helps, though it won't). And like I said earlier, that gives the site a certain critical validity. Calling out the whiteness of white people who don't like to think they're white and who condescend to other white people is a nice trick. Stick it to the man. But beneath that, there's something vicious and specific about the site's characterizations.
Old style white culture mockery came in two forms: laughing at "southrin rednecks" and laughing at "white folks". Redneck mockery was often explicitly political and classist: typical targets included racism, inbreeding, car racing, bible-bashing, shoddy workmanship, laziness, country music, interspecies romance, hillbilly feudin, etc. White people mockery, on the other hand, was far more gentle: dress slacks, lack of rhythm, Fred MacMurray voices, the awkward appropriation of slang, mayonnaise-based foods, nerdyness, discomfort with sex, etc. (Mockery and contempt for red staters being a combination of the two, but less frequently expressed as joeks.)
This site trades the gentle mockery of the latter for something much more like the former, but directed at middle-class liberals rather than at lower-class "redneck" conservatives. Which would be fine, if it weren't for how strongly the humor reeks of genuine loathing, of barely-supressed contempt. Whether or not it's the self-loathing of an embittered liberal -- as it seems to be -- hardly matters. It's too angry and too consistent in its targeting (WHITE LIBERALS! Look how pathetic and stupid and confused they are!) for my comfort.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:38 (seventeen years ago)
no, really, STFU
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:40 (seventeen years ago)
mocking "liberals" is a new idea since when exactly
"good evening, we are the fall, we are from a first world country"
― thomp, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:57 (seventeen years ago)
Nothing new or obejctionable about it. I'm carping on the execution, the vibe. I mean, I'm a liberal and I'm generally OK with liberals mocking liberals. Something about this one sticks in my craw tho.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:58 (seventeen years ago)
"Ah, but why do you?"I don't! Just saw the thread being resurrected and thought maybe there was a miniseries or something and wanted to point and Nelson laugh.
My initial thoughts still stand:
this blog is stupid.
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, July 6, 2008 10:49 PM (6 months ago)
― i wanna roll stuff UP, i don't wanna NOT roll stuff up!!!! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 05:26 (seventeen years ago)
I don't really see how this blog is doing anything new. Hasn't poking fun at hypocritical-neurotic bourgeois liberalism been a cliché since, like, the 19th century?
― i fuck mathematics, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 05:49 (seventeen years ago)
Guys you can save yourselves some time by just copying and pasting any of the entries inside that red bar. Nobody would notice.
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 06:01 (seventeen years ago)
my friend who likes this blog the most is also the one who was most into that david brooks book about bobos. "stuff white people like" has sort of supplanted "bobo" as his reflexive putdown of white lol-liberals.
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 07:04 (seventeen years ago)
liberlols
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 07:06 (seventeen years ago)
stuff white people like.
Book Tours.Anti-Child-hooker benefit t-shirts.
― james k polk, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 07:17 (seventeen years ago)
david brooks book about bobos.
'boobs' somehow pop(s) up from these words
― The Secret & Shocking Underground World of Streetwalking Gummi Bears (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 07:31 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200901/end-of-whiteness
A+ article by hua hsu features this enlightening quote from the dude
“I get it: as a straight white male, I’m the worst thing on Earth,” Christian Lander says.
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:16 (seventeen years ago)
man i am just baffled how a guy who talks like that could be considered right-wing
have you, like, never read a word J0hn D has written
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:18 (seventeen years ago)
ahhahahaa
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:21 (seventeen years ago)
johnny would say that on the real like jus rhyme or marc loi not in an ironic mallard fillmore way
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:22 (seventeen years ago)
man i am just baffled how a guy who talks like that could be considered right-wing― and what
― and what
Not right-wing, apparently. Just confused, fucked-up, self-loathing to the extent that the difference between between right wing and whatever he actually is becomes negligible.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:15 (seventeen years ago)
whatever guys, my little brother got me this book for Christmas and it's pretty funny. I love the cover: a big thumbs up with "The Unique Taste of Millions" as its tagline.
― skeletal lexing (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:40 (seventeen years ago)
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:15 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah i guess thats whats weird about it... it's like he somehow managed to arrive at a perfect imitation of republican whining about latte-sipping multiculturists w/o being aware that such a stereotype already existed
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:49 (seventeen years ago)
I don't think he's actually whining about them.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:50 (seventeen years ago)
seriously, this is amazon's review of bobos in paradise from 2001:
"You've seen them: They sip double-tall, nonfat lattes, chat on cell phones, and listen to NPR while driving their immaculate SUVs to Pottery Barn to shop for $48 titanium spatulas. They tread down specialty cheese aisles in top-of-the-line hiking boots and think nothing of laying down $5 for an olive-wheatgrass muffin."
how did this blog come into existence 7 years later w/o even acknowledging that???
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:50 (seventeen years ago)
blog means never having to say ur sorry
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:52 (seventeen years ago)
Dude started a blog of essentially inside jokes for his friends based off of a silly conversation about how white people love "The Wire" and 5 months of internet magic later, he's got a book deal. It's not really rocket science.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:54 (seventeen years ago)
― thomp, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:21 (seventeen years ago)
srsly who the fuck is eating an olive-wheatgrass muffin, that is a crime against muffins everywhere
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:22 (seventeen years ago)
is this a hipster thread tho?
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:22 (seventeen years ago)
lol @ "you've seen them" fear and loathing in the specaility cheese aisles
― ½ąm¶ (Lamp), Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:23 (seventeen years ago)
"You've seen them: They drink Pabst Blue Ribbon and Miller High Life, chat on cell phones, and listen to Molly Hatchet while driving their Subrubans to Wal-Mart to shop for $0.48 rubber spatulas. They tread down frozen food aisles in budget hiking boots and think nothing of laying down $0.25 for a Little Debbie."
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:26 (seventeen years ago)
Meanwhile, there's this today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/fashion/15race.html
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:28 (seventeen years ago)
"To say to a stranger on the train, ‘Hey, I’m sorry about slavery,’ that just doesn’t happen.”
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:29 (seventeen years ago)
obama's fav show is the wire (stuff 1/2-white ppl like?)
― the nef (wallace neff ha ha) (get bent), Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:31 (seventeen years ago)
the thing that always made me scratch my head about that is The Wire is like a cult thing at best with white audiences but maybe the most popular show in black America in the past few years. shows white people really like actually win Emmys!
― some dude, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:35 (seventeen years ago)
I went to see "The Fantastic Four" on opening night with a group of friends. We went to a theater next to Boston Common and it just so happened that the viewing we went to was PACKED with black people, probably making up something like 85 - 90% of the audience. (The group I went with was also majority black; one person out of the four of us was white.) One of my friends (who is black) asked, "Weird, why did all of the black people turn out for this movie?" and I instantly responded, "You know how black people love The Fantastic Four!", partially because "You know how black people do this" is a running joke in our circle of friends but mostly just to be silly.
This is kind of how I view this dude's comment about white people loving "The Wire".
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:40 (seventeen years ago)
i dont think thats really the same
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:18 (seventeen years ago)
― some dude, Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:35 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
man i know you live in bmore so maybe this is true there but there is no way the wire is the most popular show in "black america" i know more black superfans of family guy than i do anybody who even watches the wire
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:34 (seventeen years ago)
Tyler Perry House of Pain?
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:35 (seventeen years ago)
hey i have found my demographic
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:38 (seventeen years ago)
not to get all stuff-black-people-like but for real aside from like intense wannabe rapper nerds i dont know anybody whos into the wire... dudes i know watch like "cheaters" and shit
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:39 (seventeen years ago)
ya rly
what happens in the lyrics of rap songs is not exactly an indication of what really happens in black america
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:45 (seventeen years ago)
yeah this is maybe a local/regional bias thing, i'll give you that.
― some dude, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:48 (seventeen years ago)
This is what happens when you're not very bright.
― the ref (ed hochuli ha ha) (call all destroyer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:48 (seventeen years ago)
not even just talkin like family friends and co-workers n stuff but even real street cats in atl couldnt tell you who the fuck "omar little" is but love them some stewie
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:49 (seventeen years ago)
Everything I've read suggests there were, like, significant pockets of black viewership, and widespread familiarity with the show among people who didn't necessarily watch it (after all, it was on a premium channel), but I don't think that show had enough total viewership to be super "popular" in any demographic.
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:52 (seventeen years ago)
def seen this shirt out in kirkwood
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TBAtLPGvL._SS250_.jpg
never seen anybody rocking a shirt for the goddamn wire
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:52 (seventeen years ago)
do you guys at least accept my premise that proportionately speaking, the percentage of white ppl that like the wire is probably quite a bit smaller than the percentage of non-white ppl that like the wire?
― some dude, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:53 (seventeen years ago)
for a bit i thought this dude was clever cos the excluded figure in the whole thing didn't seem to be black people or non-whites but other white people -- megachurchers, suburbanites, red staters, faith hill fans etc. it didn't read to me to be about white people's cluelessness about non-whites but about urban/e america's cluelessness and distance from the real cultural majority.
at least, that's what i gave him credit for, since as a statement on white/black relations it's pretty stupid.
― goole, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:54 (seventeen years ago)
he mentions them all the time, the idea is that theyre not "the right kind of white people"
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:55 (seventeen years ago)
its pretty f'n dumb
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:56 (seventeen years ago)
xpost since the last person i encountered who talked abt the wire was a white, conservative, ivy-attending student who called it the best show ever and was making his mom watch it, i'm gonna hold off on the premise.
― the ref (ed hochuli ha ha) (call all destroyer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:56 (seventeen years ago)
and what otm, that hua hsu article is good, esp the point that young white ppl's lack of a resonant and ready-made cultural 'thing' to be has left them unable to recognize privilege. "what do you mean i've gotten all the breaks, i'm not even cool!!"
xps oh ok haven't read enough of it then.
jonah goldberg is a wire fanboy i believe. but you can't take his colossal nerdiness as an indicator on conservatism.
― goole, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:58 (seventeen years ago)
dude is basically harry knowles holding down mama's desk job
Some dude: maybe a better way of putting it is that The Wire likely had a more racially and economically diverse audience than your average critically acclaimed little-watched premium-channel show? (Because nothing on HBO is going to compete with the racial/economic diversity of people watching, like, Wheel of Fortune or something.)
young white ppl's lack of a resonant and ready-made cultural 'thing'
The problem is that this is a fantasy based on unwillingness to admit that the dominant culture is still a culture -- that "culture" is not a matter of difference, it's a matter of sameness
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:59 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, if i wasn't clear, that's what hsu thinks and what i think too
― goole, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:01 (seventeen years ago)
yah white ppl have the interent and hipsters wtf
― ½ąm¶ (Lamp), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:03 (seventeen years ago)
slightly related point: hendrik hertzberg visits a fundamentalist college:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/hendrikhertzberg/2008/12/three-strikes-s-1.html
These students live in a bubble, and they know it. But then, people like me live in a bubble, too, and, on the whole, we don’t know it. From my angle, of course, our bubble looks bigger and better.
― goole, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:03 (seventeen years ago)
i think with most american supermajorities (whites, christians, heterosexuals, etc) theres a real sense that anything less than 100% cultural hegemony is persecuted minority status for them - combine this with media + entertainment industry searching new demographics, new gimmicks, and a new enfranchisement of non-majority media and entertainers, and you end up with a white, christian, heterosexual male feeling like there's just no place for him in american culture
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:03 (seventeen years ago)
Maybe a fairer way for them to phrase it would be for white people to lament the fact that they're rooted in only one culture while various other sorts of people manage to have a code-switching double-consciousness between the dominant culture and the one they come from. (Thing is, I don't think the light barriers that keep white people from being interested in cultures beyond the dominant one -- which barriers usually amount of "mild embarrassment" -- are really so boo-hoo compared to the barriers that used to keep non-white people from participation in the dominant culture.)
xpost - yes, and what OTM -- as a related issue I feel like there's this tendency of older white men to feel like their power has been unfairly diminished, all of a sudden and as an attack against them, when in fact that diminishment was just the removal of unfair privileges, and their having to compete against a pool of others that hasn't been artificially thinned out on lines of sex or race or whatever
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:06 (seventeen years ago)
^^ NB it's my feeling that of the total of "white people" the majority really do have some multiple cultural backgrounds, including class ones and regional ones and religious ones and so on -- instead of "white people" above I'm actually trying to refer to those who feel they're indistinguishable from the dominant culture, flat middle-class suburban-raised Protestant television-style Americans.
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:08 (seventeen years ago)
P.P.S.: Dom's second post is wrong, Cliff Huxtable's sandwiches tended to be straight-from-the-fridge deals like the sausage-on-hoagie numbers that always gave him bad dreams with Muppets in them
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:09 (seventeen years ago)
For Lander, whiteness has become a vacuum. The “white identity” he limns on his blog is predicated on the quest for authenticity—usually other people’s authenticity. “As a white person, you’re just desperate to find something else to grab onto. You’re jealous! Pretty much every white person I grew up with wished they’d grown up in, you know, an ethnic home that gave them a second language. White culture is Family Ties and Led Zeppelin and Guns N’ Roses—like, this is white culture. This is all we have.” -- Atlantic Piece
-- Atlantic Piece
"Boo-hoo, my white culture, it doesn't exist, it isn't a real culture, so empty, so lame!" This kinda thing drives me CRAZY. Such a pile of arrogant, infuriating, bullshit. You know that auto-critical stance that you're using to define yourself in opposition to your culture? And you know that perverse temptation to mock your own self-critcism, and even to mock the mockery? That's all your culture too! Everything you are is your culture, including your negative feelings about what you take to be your culture. Goddam whiny crybabies need to grow the fuck up.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:09 (seventeen years ago)
im actually really surprised the wire doesnt have some cultural capital in atl among black people -- it certainly seems to here in chicago & reruns have been playing on BET havent they??
― xhuxk d (deej), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:11 (seventeen years ago)
i posted about this way back on the diplo/minstrelsy thread like 4 years ago but one thing i noticed about the whole boo-hoo-im-stuck-in-uncool-white-culture white folx is that they tend to really exaggerate how difficult it is for a white person to engage with non-white cultures - there's this sense that any interest in going to for example a majority black club would be met by a wall of seething black hostility which just plain doesnt exist but it used to justify continued disinterest
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:11 (seventeen years ago)
and i can think of a few non-baltimore rappers who drop character names from the show
― xhuxk d (deej), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:13 (seventeen years ago)
well yeah like i said the few ppl i know who are checking for it seem to be intense joe budden wannabes not "black america" like shipley said
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:14 (seventeen years ago)
i dunno i think its got bigger cachet than that, not like madeas family reunion or something but its not just some niche rap nerd shit up here
― xhuxk d (deej), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:17 (seventeen years ago)
anyway otherwise i agree that this site is really not saying anything that hasnt been said before but bcuz dude is acting like hes criticizing himself too, rather than being a redneck @ the bar talking shit about yankees its not considered culture war stuff
― xhuxk d (deej), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:18 (seventeen years ago)
I'm not sure if this is controversial, but I've heard numerous times that books that interest New York readerships tend to chart on best seller lists since the readers are educated and have discretionary income, and read a lot. The idea being that some cultures economically perform better in Free Markets than other types. Which is why, I assume, there isn't a ton of literature that speaks to the white majority experience (there is some, obviously), because it's not necessarily the strongest market. By contrast, something like country music does very well economically, and often I look at Billboard lists and notice a ton of albums I've never even heard of cracking the top 10 (or even hitting #1). I suspect tho that if you're in the Cosmo demographic (as the author of SWPL seems to be), it can seem like all of White Culture is Cosmopolitan New York culture, because you see the NY Times bestseller list and Jonathan Safron Foer is number 1, or all the bands that pass through seem like Brooklyn Hipster Bands, and the Arcade Fire seem like the biggest band on the planet. But if you lived in Austin, you'd probably be much more conscious of the divide, and might even appreciate the fact that Cosmopolitan culture is a minority. (And if you lived in some parts of the "heartland" Cosmopolitan culture might not even register.)
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:19 (seventeen years ago)
I live in Boston and the only reason I know that Arcade Fire exists is because of ILM.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:21 (seventeen years ago)
It was just an example, substitute whatever band you like that is in terms of the market, very tiny, but in terms of cosmo cultural cache very large.
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:22 (seventeen years ago)
I'm not sure if this is controversial, but I've heard numerous times that books that interest New York readerships tend to chart on best seller lists since the readers are educated and have discretionary income, and read a lot.
or, you know, because there are a bagazillion people in NYC
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:24 (seventeen years ago)
What bothers me most about SWPL is that a lot of it seems to be aimed at what Zizek would call code for "exquisitely dressed, with short mustaches, smoking cigarettes and so on, in other words, almost a caricature of cosmopolitan, decadent, corrupted Jew."
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:27 (seventeen years ago)
XP I was being a little disingenuous when I said "New York readerships." I mean affluent, white Manhattan readerships.
Re last post: Sorry, I get carried away. But I get annoyed. There's a tendency to excuse the "boo-hoo white culture" thing by speaking to how hard it must be to be a white person, a white man, in this multicultural age, in this post-colonial age. And that's true to some extent, but it overlooks an arrogance that arises from the assumption of total cultural dominance: the sense that one isn't a product of a specific culture, but that one simply IS. In this super-dominant sense, a lot of white people seem to be blind to white culture. They express it, they embody it, but they nonetheless see themselves as "just people, y'know?" This isn't post-colonial shame, it's simple arrogance. It's the result of confusing one's specific cultural experience (the white experience, in some form or other) for the human experience. Like, there is whiteness (the norm, null state, cultural baseline), and there are deviations from that norm (colorful ethnicities!).
From there, I can see a valid, noble intent behind the blog, but the execution is still fucked and toxic.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:28 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, "noble" is the word that springs to mind.
― some dude, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:29 (seventeen years ago)
What bothers me most about SWPL is that a lot of it seems to be aimed at what Zizek would call code for "exquisitely dressed, with short mustaches, smoking cigarettes and so on, in other words, almost a caricature of cosmopolitan, decadent, corrupted Jew."― Mordy
― Mordy
Funny, cuz as a WASP, I see it as a charicature of my people. Plus also Jews.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:30 (seventeen years ago)
somehow I don't think this guy started this blog with the intention of healing America's myriad cultural divisions
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:31 (seventeen years ago)
"the young lady said she's afraid of violence. and isnt it sad that we, who have been the victims of so much violence- now, whites fear violence from us. we do not have a history of killing white people. white people have a history of killing us. and what you fear- may i say this sir? what you fear- and its a deep guilt thing that white folks suffer- you are afraid that if we ever come to power, we will do to you and your fathers what you and your people have done to us. and i think you are judging us by the state of your own mind, and that is not necessarily the mind of black people"
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:31 (seventeen years ago)
why does jean grae look different in every pic ive ever seen of her?? sometimes she looks cute & other times she looks like a skinny krs-one
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:32 (seventeen years ago)
you know, i just posted that on the wrong thread
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:33 (seventeen years ago)
Which is why, I assume, there isn't a ton of literature that speaks to the white majority experience (there is some, obviously), because it's not necessarily the strongest market. ― Mordy
This seems way off base to me. There is TONS of literature (printed matter) that speaks to the "majority white experience", it's just that most of it isn't considered proper literature by non-majority whites.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:34 (seventeen years ago)
Plus I was being generous with the "noble", because that's my culture.
I suspect tho that if you're in the Cosmo demographic (as the author of SWPL seems to be), it can seem like all of White Culture is Cosmopolitan New York culture, because you see the NY Times bestseller list and Jonathan Safron Foer is number 1, or all the bands that pass through seem like Brooklyn Hipster Bands, and the Arcade Fire seem like the biggest band on the planet. But if you lived in Austin, you'd probably be much more conscious of the divide, and might even appreciate the fact that Cosmopolitan culture is a minority. (And if you lived in some parts of the "heartland" Cosmopolitan culture might not even register.)
― Mordy, Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:19 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think you would have to be really, insanely myopic to live in nyc and think that white culture = cosmopolitan new york culture, given (at the very least) the number of a) different 'cosmopolitan new york cultures' b) white people who are not a part of any 'cosmopolitan new york culture' c) people of color who are a part of a cosmopolitan new york culture
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:35 (seventeen years ago)
contenderizer, I think you're right, but only the sense that the Cosmopolitan stereotype is looser than it used to be. Which is to say, a lot of these cultural dichotomies between authentic/Cosmopolitan, heartland/New York are essentially Aryan rehashes (the pure, racially uniform, true culture versus the mixture, miscegenation, etc). "If you're black and like black things, good. And if you're white and like white things, good. But if you're white and like black things? Bad."
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:36 (seventeen years ago)
max, I agree, you'd have to be insanely myopic. SWPL = insanely myopic.
i'm white and like jean grae btw ^^
― bnw, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:37 (seventeen years ago)
yeah thats the other thing that bugs me about this is how 90% of the stuff on that blog (recycling, yuppie shit, giving to charity, asian food, vegetarianism, JAZZ) i can name half a dozen black folks i know who are more into it than most white ppl i roll with, does that mean they're "really" white?? one of my friends thought it was fairly lolzy comic view style white-ppl-are-kinda-corny stuff til he got to "arrested development" and his (white) gf was like "lol i guess that means youre secretly white" and it set off like years of resentment at hearing that since elementary school for being a bookish sensitive black dude - he wasnt feeling it after that
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:39 (seventeen years ago)
haha man there is nothing worse than making a mild joke about ur significant other only to find out that its something he/she used to get teased about all the time in middle school
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:41 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, the problem there is that his girlfriend is an idiot, not that this is a secret Aryan blog
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:42 (seventeen years ago)
i agree his girlfriend is an idiot but seriously considering a lot of the shit on that blog is upper class signifiers dont you think its kinda racist to imply that liking whole foods and sushi and yuppie shit makes you "white"??
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
like, what, black people and white republicans are naturally working class and hardworking and earthy/soulful and liberal white people are the only ones with neuroses and personalities
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:45 (seventeen years ago)
i can name half a dozen black folks i know who are more into it than most white ppl i roll with, does that mean they're "really" white?? ― and what
I've been thinking about this, too, re: SWPL. I mean, I go to Whole Foods, and yeah, most people are white, it's in a white neighborhood and all, but I see black people (asians and whatever). What are they, blackers? Are they appropriating my spelt cookies?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:46 (seventeen years ago)
you guys are projecting a hell of a lot here
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
― and what, Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:45 PM (1 minute ago)
yes, exactly -- we have psychology, you have "culture"
― goole, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
ya rly xpost
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
theres an old black dude who spends every day at the table in front of whole foods here in a paddy hat and robes lookin like goddam raiden from mortal kombat usually reading like art of war and books about samurais and shit
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:49 (seventeen years ago)
We just have fake Botero statues. I will stop projecting now.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:50 (seventeen years ago)
That's another amazing thing -- I'm not sure I've ever in my life seen a non-academic attempt to talk about what whiteness is like that didn't wind up backhandedly insulting non-white people via its exclusions. It's not so much about viewing "white" culture as just behavior and non-white culture as somehow authentic, it's about poking at whiteness as involving being meek or brainy or polite or rich, suggesting that authentic non-whiteness involves being ... loud, ignorant, rude, and impoverished?
(This is part of why I joked way upthread about starting an explaining-the-Midwest blog, because when I think of cultural acts that are genuinely white-American, my mind shoots straight to genuinely unique and amazing things like the broad and awe-inspiring middle-American definition of "salad.")
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:50 (seventeen years ago)
my understanding is that what the word "salad" means in the midwest is more or less what the word "mayonnaise" means elsewhere
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
itd be funny to start a blog like this and start off with shit people would generally agree with but gradually get crazier and crazier til you're doing observational comedy entries like "White people always use tongs, and look down on anyone who uses their hands to pick up BBQ chicken"
― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:52 (seventeen years ago)
is that like salad with provel in it? b/c that is realy good
― bnw, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:53 (seventeen years ago)
lol by "paddy hat" i thought you meant like
http://www.delmonicohatter.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Bailey-AW07-6104-225X.gif
i think this means i am a racist
― goole, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:53 (seventeen years ago)
P.S. One myopia issue is that even when people try to talk/joke about white "culture" they basically just talk about short-term trends and cultural fads, which things are not what constitutes "culture" -- of course it would be non-entertaining and unfunny to actually try and take a neutral position to talk about what's actually meaningful within actual white-American culture.
xpost - Ethan you are reminding me of Chappelle's whole using-a-washcloth thing
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:55 (seventeen years ago)
i have never heard of this!
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:57 (seventeen years ago)
Obviously some confusion with "white culture" is that in a PoCo era there's very little culture that is "purely" any one race/ethnicity. I imagine it was easier to talk about white culture in 16th century England. (And possibly not even then.) Just the formulation "white culture" is IMHO pretty uncomfortably racial.
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:57 (seventeen years ago)
I'm not sure I've ever in my life seen a non-academic attempt to talk about what whiteness is like that didn't wind up backhandedly insulting non-white people via its exclusions. It's not so much about viewing "white" culture as just behavior and non-white culture as somehow authentic, it's about poking at whiteness as involving being meek or brainy or polite or rich, suggesting that authentic non-whiteness involves being ... loud, ignorant, rude, and impoverished?― nabisco
― nabisco
Don't wanna start a fight here, but is there anything that one could define as "white" that wouldn't be taken as a backhanded insult to someone else? I don't think there is. When Native Americans define the communalist, spiritual, ancestor-and-nature-venerating character of their culture, other cultures don't take offense at the implication that they are selfish, materialist and careless in comparison. White culture, for a whole bunch of reasons (many of them good) no longer enjoys this freedom. It is not allowed to say what it is, except in the most hideously self-loathing sense, e.g., SWPL.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:59 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/emo.jpg
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:01 (seventeen years ago)
exactly
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:02 (seventeen years ago)
NASCAR
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
What the hell does White culture mean tho? Do you mean Anglo culture? French culture? American heartland culture? Jewish culture? Russian Communist culture? What does White Culture mean????
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
What does black culture mean? What does culture mean?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
great observations
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
That's true, Mordy -- I think we're all just using it loosely/interchangeably to mean "dominant American culture," which is wrong but useful in this conversation.
Contenderizer, the problem with that analogy is that -- kinda for the reasons Mordy's talking about -- the way people usually talk about "white" American culture tends to involve distinguishing it directly (and sorta oppositionally) from non-white American culture, no? Outside of academics, I feel like I rarely see people try to talk about American whiteness in the kinds of neutral ethnographic terms that don't have that discomfort embedded in them. And yet it's not at all hard to talk that way, if you can get the necessary perspective -- to talk about how people function culturally on a big scale, as opposed to these little notions allegedly distinguishing white people from American ethnic minorities.
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:05 (seventeen years ago)
I mean, obviously there are a whole bunch of white cultures out there, and likely no uber culture that unites them all. But it makes a certain kind of ballpark sense to speak of "dominant white culture in America", especially when speaking in historical terms. It am a thing.
edit: as said by xposts
Contenderizer, the problem with that analogy is that -- kinda for the reasons Mordy's talking about -- the way people usually talk about "white" American culture tends to involve distinguishing it directly (and sorta oppositionally) from non-white American culture, no? ― nabisco
No. This is not paritical to white American culture. No culture can be defined in isolation. To recognize the idea of "culture" is to recognize it in opposition (or at least in contrast) to "other" cultures. This is no more or less true of dominant American white culture (DAWC) than any other.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:08 (seventeen years ago)
One thing that ticked me off was when SWPL did Hummus. If I had to guess, I'd say that Hummus came into "white culture" in a similar way bagels did - through Jewish influence. But since SWPL doesn't distinguish between different white cultures, and the way they interact and interplay, it loses this subtlety. So it looks like a bunch of young white people spontaneously started adopting Hummus in their diets -- likely to be more like Arabs? And this kind of inane confusion could have been avoided by understanding that there's no one culture at play in NYC, but a dynamic of various cultures interacting.
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:08 (seventeen years ago)
(It could be for a different reason too, but my point remains - they aren't talking about dominant White Culture on SWPL, but more of a hybrid melting pot thing.)
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:10 (seventeen years ago)
"Paritical"? What was I even thinking when I typed that? Critical? Go with "unique".
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:10 (seventeen years ago)
And yet it's not at all hard to talk that way, if you can get the necessary perspective -- to talk about how people function culturally on a big scale, as opposed to these little notions allegedly distinguishing white people from American ethnic minorities.
i think that sometimes these little notions are fundamental to how ppl function culturally on a big scale
― ½ąm¶ (Lamp), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:10 (seventeen years ago)
There's a fundamental deconstruction occurring in SWPL. Because it's written as a primer for a non-white attempting to integrate into white population, it's acknowledging that "white culture" isn't just composed of whites. But it's failing to acknowledge what the "visitor" brings with him. Maybe his white friends like Hummus or Kaffiyahs because he introduced them to it. Ie: It's performing a sort of parochial hegemonic function (all of your culture is SUBSUMED by white culture - you have no influence) unspokenly. When, in fact, there's no monolithic White Culture, and certainly the outsider is more of a contributer to the culture and not an interloper.
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:13 (seventeen years ago)
And absolutely fundamental to how people think about shit, whether or not it's considered polite to speak them aloud.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:14 (seventeen years ago)
^ xpost
apparently white people also like being crazy butthurt
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:16 (seventeen years ago)
if you guys are going to keep this up it would be great if you could work in some themes that are a little more pictoral in nature for a thread i use to serialize and immortalize threads like this
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:17 (seventeen years ago)
who's butthurt? these white ppl are more in the category of 'haters' i think
― xhuxk d (deej), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:17 (seventeen years ago)
self included obv
To recognize the idea of "culture" is to recognize it in opposition (or at least in contrast) to "other" cultures.
Dude, this is just flatly untrue -- like I said, culture is not about difference, it's about sameness! Opposition helps give us the perspective we need to see what's particularly unique/notable about a culture, sure, but that doesn't mean the culture disappears in a vacuum; the fact that we haven't met any aliens to compare with doesn't mean that there aren't routines and basics of Earth-human culture; we just have a harder time picking out which ones are significant without a point of comparison.
In any case you're talking way to categorically here. Talking about a national culture/character tends not to be too oppositional, because you're distinguishing it from dozens and dozens of others, which helps keep a neutral ethnographic tone -- but as you get down into differentiating racial characteristics in nations with long weird histories of racial differentiation, it's very easy to lose that tone and start talking purely oppositionally instead of descriptively.
And there are rarely used ways to talk about dominant-(mostly white)-American-culture that don't do this nearly as much. (For instance you could talk about something like the fact that white American culture has, I dunno, archetypes of masculinity that are partly distinct from archetypes of masculinity elsewhere, like this sorta silent/bashful John Wayneish one -- bad example, maybe, but this is a method of discussing "culture" that actually looks at and describes culture, rather than just casting around for things white people and non-white people seem to do differently)
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:18 (seventeen years ago)
apparently white people also like being crazy butthurt― ^likes black girls (HI DERE)
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE)
I thought everybody knew.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:18 (seventeen years ago)
on a weaker day, i would be applying liberal doses of strongohulkingtonization to this thread
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:19 (seventeen years ago)
RIP
Dude, this is just flatly untrue -- like I said, culture is not about difference, it's about sameness! Opposition helps give us the perspective we need to see what's particularly unique/notable about a culture, sure, but that doesn't mean the culture disappears in a vacuum; the fact that we haven't met any aliens to compare with doesn't mean that there aren't routines and basics of Earth-human culture; we just have a harder time picking out which ones are significant without a point of comparison.-- nabisco
-- nabisco
I didn't say culture doesn't exist in isolation, just that it can't be recognized in isolation. That to even perceive "culture" as a thing (not a culture, mind, but culture in general) one must be able to distance oneself from one's particular cultural milieu, to assume a position of otherness or difference relative to it. I don't believe that this could happen -- or at least that it could happen easily -- without cultural contrast, without the presence of the "other" culture, that which one is not, is different than, is even opposed to.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:25 (seventeen years ago)
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/stopsigncrash.jpg
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:37 (seventeen years ago)
This is a CHRIS COLUMBUS poll
― Someone Still Loves You Evan and Jaron (Tape Store), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:38 (seventeen years ago)
I didn't say culture doesn't exist in isolation, just that it can't be recognized in isolation. That to even perceive "culture" as a thing (not a culture, mind, but culture in general) one must be able to distance oneself from one's particular cultural milieu, to assume a position of otherness or difference relative to it.
yeah this isn't at all right because you can recognize cultural traits that cross cultures just as you can recognize cultural traits that are specific to one or few culture (dancing as celebration vs whale-hunting, for example)
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:43 (seventeen years ago)
dan dont you dare try to take our whale hunting traditions away from my irish ancestors
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:45 (seventeen years ago)
yeah this isn't at all right because you can recognize cultural traits that cross cultures just as you can recognize cultural traits that are specific to one or few culture (dancing as celebration vs whale-hunting, for example)― HI DERE
― HI DERE
Yeah, but you can't recognize that "culture" even exists unless you are aware of more than one culture, and thus aware of cultural difference. Absent cultural difference, culture is just HOW THINGS ARE. It only becomes a specific thing, regional particularity, when there is a basis for comparison. That is, it would be impossible to recognise the idea of "red" or even of "color" if everything in the world were the exact same shade of red.
Like, I dunno, a stop sign.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:49 (seventeen years ago)
Contenderizer, we already recognize that culture exists; that battle has long been fought and won
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:54 (seventeen years ago)
ow my balls
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:01 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, my point is that, further, it's impossible to say what distinctively characterizes any one culture without comparing it to ("opposing" it to) other cultures. Having recognized culture and analyzed Culture X, we can say that it is composed of characteristics A, B and C. But to know what distinguishes it from other culures, we'd have to say that is displays MORE of characteristic B, relative to Culture Y, and less of characteristic C. Norms and deviations.
We don't like the implications of this type of comparison, so we go through uncomfortable gyrations to avoid them, and that's fine. I'm not complaining about the fact that certain ideas and areas of exploration are "off limits". But I do object to the idea that cultural assessment can exist independent of relational comparison, much as we'd like to twist our way out of that noose.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:05 (seventeen years ago)
^ talkin like a fag
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:06 (seventeen years ago)
it's impossible to say what distinctively characterizes any one culture without comparing it to ("opposing" it to) other cultures
wtf is this nonsense
― marlon brando baby tiger (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:16 (seventeen years ago)
maybe the word 'culture' means something else where you are standing, i.e. 25 miles up your own ass
― marlon brando baby tiger (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:18 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, dude, this is kind of a pointless argument, but you're totally evading the other part of my statement, which is that there are times when we can talk about cultures in a big-picture descriptive ethnographic sense (e.g., "here are some things that seem roughly particular to the culture of Kenya, versus hundreds of other cultural groups in the world"), and there are times when we talk about it in a really narrow short-term oppositional sense (e.g., "the difference between how white Americans act and how black Americans act is X") -- there is a pretty undeniable spectrum here and most talk about the culture of "white Americans" strikes me as skewing toward the latter.
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:21 (seventeen years ago)
How would you know what is distinctive (i.e., unique) about a given culture, without some awareness of other cultures? If you live in a culture that worships the sun and know no other way, then you would assume that to worship the sun is simply human. Not an artifact of your culture, but just THE WAY THINGS ARE.
If you encountered another culture that worshipped animal and nature spirits, you could then begin to say, "Ah! We worship the sun, while they worship the earth. But we all bury our dead and we all cover our genitals. Therfore, the object of worship varies from culture to culture, but all people bury their dead and cover their genitals."
I.e., only by comparing and contrasting (opposing), you would begin to be able to define what was unique about any of the cultures involved. The more cultures compared, the more subtle and complex the analysis. But all based on comparison, on observed similarities and differences. That's all I'm saying.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:22 (seventeen years ago)
you are all idiots
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:23 (seventeen years ago)
I didn't even read your posts
to say nothing of the fact that the word CULTURE, if you're coming at it from a sociological angle, does not inherently refer to ethnicity or race or heritage and yet all those concepts are eliding into that one word here.
― marlon brando baby tiger (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:27 (seventeen years ago)
Okay, I posted that before reading nabisco's last. Yeah, sure, the analysis can skew more towards A vs. B oppositionalism, and that's a problem, but you can't pretend that academic distancing somehow cleanses your comparison of A vs. B comparisons. It makes a certain kind of sense (powderkeg sense, admittedly) to directly compare black and white cultures in America, and I suppose that's why we're loathe to do it. It's tempting, but shallow.
But if you go way back to the origins of this argynent, all I was saying is that white culture cannot define itself without invoking the assumption that other cultures are being somehow belittled in the process. I believe that this is true, and unfortunate, but unavoidable.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:27 (seventeen years ago)
the word CULTURE, if you're coming at it from a sociological angle, does not inherently refer to ethnicity or race or heritage and yet all those concepts are eliding into that one word here.― elmo argonaut
― elmo argonaut
Yeah, sure, but the circles overlap enough for conversational use here. If you want me to clarify the usage, lemme know what seems absent.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:28 (seventeen years ago)
We couldn't tell. :/
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:38 (seventeen years ago)
It makes a certain kind of sense (powderkeg sense, admittedly) to directly compare black and white cultures in America, and I suppose that's why we're loathe to do it.
This depends on what you're trying to describe, actually -- the interior differences of "non-white" or "white" culture? Or what dominant-(mostly white)-American-culture consists of?
If you're trying to describe the latter, you're doing yourself a disservice with the internal comparison, because what you wind up talking about is racial differences in a country where every ethnic culture has had huge influences on all the others. You're better off trying to describe the dominant culture in a big-picture, almost global sense, and perhaps then checking how it operates internally, because this'll allow you to discover obvious truths -- for instance, the fact that there are cultural things in America that most everyone subscribes to, regardless of race, that are still white-American-culture things, that originated with white-American-culture and were adopted by everyone else! (You would completely miss these things if you were just sitting around comparing white vs. non-white behavior to find actual differences, rather than descriptive traits.)
― nabisco, Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:50 (seventeen years ago)
Agreed, that's another way to break down the same basic stuff. Safer, more judicious and academic, but just as potentially prone to artifacting and error.
I'm simply talking about the ways that cultures narrate their identities to themselves. In any culture this is a complex mechanism, but I think that when it comes to white American culture it has broken down entirely. White culture seems to have lost the ability to describe itself to itself. In a lot of ways this is a good thing, as "white culture" is a dangerous fiction, just as "race" is. But it plays out in weird, gross ways: SWPL.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 23:59 (seventeen years ago)
wtf you guys
― horseshoe, Friday, 16 January 2009 00:02 (seventeen years ago)
talkers will talk, arguers will argue
internet rules
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 00:03 (seventeen years ago)
you guys are all avid huey lewis and the news fans
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Friday, 16 January 2009 00:06 (seventeen years ago)
code
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 00:08 (seventeen years ago)
I mean, I post on ImouseheadComics, what do you expect?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 00:10 (seventeen years ago)
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― ゙(゚、 。 7 (cankles), Friday, 16 January 2009 00:11 (seventeen years ago)
i think contenderizer got lost in his own head
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 16 January 2009 00:54 (seventeen years ago)
Hahaha I have actually found this interesting! Though I'm not sure where some of contenderizer's disagreement was coming from
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 01:06 (seventeen years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_de_Saussure
― i fuck mathematics, Friday, 16 January 2009 02:22 (seventeen years ago)
i hear that white people love de saussure
― marlon brando baby tiger (elmo argonaut), Friday, 16 January 2009 02:40 (seventeen years ago)
yah cuz white ppl go to grad school and black ppl dont -- isnt that a funny stereotype of white ppl? we're so lame!
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 16 January 2009 02:52 (seventeen years ago)
I found it pretty interesting too, nabisco. My only real point was that it's difficult to characterize "white culture" without seeming to call other cultures into question, and as a result, we only tolerate negative characterizations of the sort on display in SWPL (and then only grudgingly). I honestly didn't think that this would be a particularly controvertial point, but experience has proven me a poor judge of such things. Anyway, I think the conversation was thrown off track by my repeated insistence on using the word "opposition" as a synonym for "comparison" (the foolishness of this only became apparent to me after the fact).
Maybe the best lesson is that it's best to avoid blanket characterizations of semi-imaginary racial/cultural groups. Never seems to end well.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 06:14 (seventeen years ago)
for the record the bullshit being spouted by the people who find this offensive is about a bazillion times more offensive than anything I've read on the site and basically confirms my thought that some of you have no idea that you are racist
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 13:24 (seventeen years ago)
would you like to actually give an example of that or do you plan to just keep making cryptic reference to it?
― and what, Friday, 16 January 2009 13:57 (seventeen years ago)
yeah i think we need to spend friday figuring this out, as we spent thursday solving the hipster dilemma.
― the ref (ed hochuli ha ha) (call all destroyer), Friday, 16 January 2009 14:08 (seventeen years ago)
kudos to everyone for solving the hipster dilemma btw
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 16 January 2009 14:32 (seventeen years ago)
the bullshit being spouted by the people who find this offensive is about a bazillion times more offensive than anything I've read on the site and basically confirms my thought that some of you have no idea that you are racist― HI DERE
Well, I've said I find the site annoying, and politically questionable. So I may be one of the people you're talking about. Now, I don't think I've said anything racist, so help me out. What is it that you find offensive in this discussion?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:15 (seventeen years ago)
I ask not cuz I wanna prolong the scab fest that is SWPL thread, but cuz I don't like being called a racist, you know?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:17 (seventeen years ago)
I'm talking about deej and and what here and their "obviously this site is withholding these things from people of color" comments that they think are ironic commentary about the shortcomings of the site but are coming across as if they are subconscious truths that everyone knows about minorities that must be vigilantly guarded against. deej's last post in particular pissed me off and and what says shit like that constantly all over the place and, as a minority, I find it really fucking tiresome.
contenderizer, you are toeing this line as well but most of your baggage appears to be tied into an entirely antagonistic relationship with the concept of culture that I can't fathom.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:22 (seventeen years ago)
contenderizer...most of your baggage appears to be tied into an entirely antagonistic relationship with the concept of culture...― HI DERE
Hmmm. That makes intuitive sense to me, though I'm not sure I really understand what yr. getting at. I'd say I have an antagonistic relationship with what I assume other people assume about culture. So I set up winnable rhetorical fights against straw man "timid half-truths". It's probably a failing of some sort, though I think (predictably) that I get it right at least half the time.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:30 (seventeen years ago)
i for one am enjoying the attempts you guys are using to make distinctions between the Cosmpolitan (coastal) types and heartland (psst: code for midwestern) hyuk hyuk yokels in order to decode and stand in opposition to this dumb blogs bias against us. us dunb hillbilly rednecks sure do thank you, and hope to some day walk shoulder to shoulder with you and read your fancy citified books instead of tom clancy and tv guide and home handyman manuals.
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:31 (seventeen years ago)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b281/Frost327/Joker/1181911796832.gif
― The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:32 (seventeen years ago)
i guess deej's last post was kind of glib, but i don't read his posts (or ethan's) as endorsing "subconscious truths that everyone knows about minorities that must be vigilantly guarded against." i do kind of think, just because the site's take on whiteness does seem to be the thin whiteness of not being of color, that there's an implication that people of color don't do the things listed. it annoys me, but i figure this is one of the things that kind of useless self-loathing unconsciously leads to.
i seriously cannot believe i've typed this much about this subject.
― horseshoe, Friday, 16 January 2009 16:33 (seventeen years ago)
dom otm
― bnw, Friday, 16 January 2009 16:34 (seventeen years ago)
us dunb hillbilly rednecks sure do thank you, and hope to some day walk shoulder to shoulder with you and read your fancy citified books instead of tom clancy and tv guide and home handyman manuals.
Yeah, and would you stop listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd all the time?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 January 2009 16:36 (seventeen years ago)
the non carcrash watching part of me would suggest HI DERE take a break from reading ironic dudes ironically talking about an ironic fail of a racist website. go read the wow forums or something :)
― bnw, Friday, 16 January 2009 16:38 (seventeen years ago)
what a great thread so far, i hope we can figure out more ways to not understand each other in the future
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:38 (seventeen years ago)
^ safe bet
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:40 (seventeen years ago)
i do think that maybe the white people do X so non-white people don't thing has been taken too far, but this is also a product of the blog being so poorly conceived and reasoned that a bunch of smart people on this thread are wasting their time trying to figure out whether or not it has any coherent subtext. there's been some good discussion but honestly it's like trying to plant a garden in a parking lot.
― the ref (ed hochuli ha ha) (call all destroyer), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:41 (seventeen years ago)
that is probably true and i resent the time i've spent thinking about it, frankly. i think there is a thread somewhere on ilx where nabisco muses on self-loathing whiteness that is way more worthwhile.
― horseshoe, Friday, 16 January 2009 16:43 (seventeen years ago)
dan you know i like you but the reason ive learned to basically let shit like this roll & only talk to you about early 90s breakbeat hardkore is that in years of being on ilx it seems the only thing you ever call out as racist (outside of, like, neo-nazis) is these very typically-ilx complacent wellmeaning liberals who would dare to see a racial component in shit like white kids putting on brown makeup for ben wallace halloween costumes - i know thats your take on things & thats cool, whatever, but its short-sighted & pretty goddamn rude to go on how me & deej think non-whites are subhuman or whatever because we saw some racist shit on a dumb-ass blog like this and you really need to revise how you approach that
― and what, Friday, 16 January 2009 16:47 (seventeen years ago)
(parenthetically -- cuz lord knows i don't wan't to get in the middle of a dan-ethan faceoff -- isn't the "white people" part of the SWPL brand a misdirection? whole thing reads more like o'reilly-style "pointy-headed elitist" CLASS commentary -- or, more precisely, self-deprecating sendup of same -- than anything actually race-based. that is, it seems racially intramural, not intermural. although of course using "white people" in the title brings all that racial baggage in the door. end parentheses.)
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:26 (seventeen years ago)
yet another excellent description of why the writer of the blog is a 'tard
― THE HIPSTER DILEMMA (call all destroyer), Friday, 16 January 2009 17:31 (seventeen years ago)
"stuff white ppl like" is catchier (and apparently more inflammatory) than "stuff pointy-head elitist like". this leads to bored-at-the-office lols -> forwards -> more hits -> book deal.
is this dude racist? fuck if i know. i know his observations are generally dull and his blog is poorly named. (i laughed at expensive sandwiches tho. i just like saying "expensive sandwiches")
― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Friday, 16 January 2009 17:52 (seventeen years ago)
The "seems" in your post is very important, Ethan, and your example is flawed since that was presented as "These kids dressed up as Ben Wallace for Halloween, how racist!" and it wasn't until 200 posts later that it was clarified that their idea of dressing up as Ben Wallace was to do full-on blackface.
I call this shit out because people who lean left pretty much convince themselves that they have mastered their racial biases but then turn around and do shit like, say, the aftermath of the Prop 8 vote debacle where people start threads like "why is it okay for a black man to be president but gay people can't marry?" as if 1) one had anything to do with the other, and 2) it was primarily the fault of gullible minorities and had nothing to do with the way the campaign against Prop 8 was run (which BTW I know due to friends of mine who attempted to coordinate fundraising for it, both of whom are gay and both of whom were so disgusted by the inability of the groups involved to work together, down to actively sabotaging each other's campaigning sphere so that they could grab as much of the glory of the presumed victory as possible; this article covers it pretty well http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/24603325/samesex_setback).
Ultimately, this blog isn't that important. It's moderately well-written in that there are no egregious typos or grammatical errors and some of the entries made me laugh. It's not going to start a race war, though, and even though it isn't particularly clever in the way it handles race, it isn't particularly incompetent, either; it's just there. I think you guys are making a massively ugly mountain out of a molehill.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:25 (seventeen years ago)
lofting casually vague accusations of racism is definitely the reasonable response to this, kudos dan
― rosemary endtimes (elmo argonaut), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:37 (seventeen years ago)
Thanks!
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:40 (seventeen years ago)
Dan, I'm kinda with horseshoe here, and I think I've said the sort of thing you're talking about upthread -- it seems fair to me to point out that there are certain ways of coding things as "white" that set up their opposites as inherently "non-white." (Same with, say, coding certain things as part of "blackness.") I mean, I'm speaking partly from a childhood of being frustrated with having people interpret my race based on my behavior, and this kind of coding has everything to do with it. That's why I was arguing yesterday that there are ways of actually talking about culture that are more descriptive than just racially coding behavior, ways we use pretty naturally if someone's asking us about the culture of, say, Belgium or Morocco.
I'm not sure anyone's making a mountain out of the molehill, incidentally -- I think this is just one of those molehills that happens to get people started talking about related mountains, you know? (Apart from Pinefox and a few others in the last revival, I feel like everyone tends to agree that the site's mostly dumb, has a couple okay jokes, and isn't a big deal, right?)
(Haha also amazed at yesterday's talk being characterized as a "trainwreck" when it was mostly me and contenderizer going boringly back and forth on the totally abstract philosophical question of whether you can only recognize culture by comparison, though I guess that's probably more trainwreckish if you're the one being bored by it.)
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 18:42 (seventeen years ago)
"The "seems" in your post is very important, Ethan, and your example is flawed since that was presented as "These kids dressed up as Ben Wallace for Halloween, how racist!" and it wasn't until 200 posts later that it was clarified that their idea of dressing up as Ben Wallace was to do full-on blackface."
dan i dont really get you here - the thread is called "white trick-or-treaters in blackface" and dude specifies theyre wearing makeup from the 1st post - its not a kkk-level hate crime but def a bad look for their parents, which was all i said on that thread - was referring to that whole beef more to understand how you could think somebody like swpl-blogger douche or those parents are totally not-at-all ever racist but going back in that thread youre accusing me of wanting you to be my "field nigger" when i wished nabisco would post some otm paragraphs to end the argument - u know im the 1st dude to call out lame-ass liberal racism but in my experience with you there's a weird gap in how apologetic you can be for kill-whitie party dudes and how accusatory you are towards ilxors who imo are dealing with shit a lot better than 99.99% of ppl, not that thats saying much - and you know good & well i had nothing to do with the whole blame-black-folks-for-prop-8 crowd and def dont think ive "mastered by racial biases" - basically im interested in racial stuff and talk about it as somebody who knows that i think about it more than ur typical white person which sometimes comes off as know-it-all & i take a fair amount of shit for it - what i dont agree with, going back to this thread, is that a white person mentioning they see as racism somehow implies they consider themselves to be speaking for black folks, or that i'm projecting my own racism onto this jackass blogger who thinks only white ppl go to college - i guess this is a pretty long-ass post but my point is basically just whats up with that?
― and what, Friday, 16 January 2009 18:45 (seventeen years ago)
i do apologize if u found my glibness insensitive dan
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:49 (seventeen years ago)
regardless of skin color, can we we all like to attribute the worst intentions to people when they say stuff about race, maybe we can agree on that
― rosemary endtimes (elmo argonaut), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:53 (seventeen years ago)
Well clearly otherwise this argument between people who by and large agree on racial issues wouldn't be happening!
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:56 (seventeen years ago)
Narcissism of small penises
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:06 (seventeen years ago)
stuff white people have
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:08 (seventeen years ago)
so unfair.
ethan otm
― none of they business (tremendoid), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:10 (seventeen years ago)
what, small penises or having them?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:13 (seventeen years ago)
^ none of my business
― none of they business (tremendoid), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:19 (seventeen years ago)
i started that prop 8 thread because i was really frustrated while walking around my then-neighborhood on election night and hearing car after car honking and cheering in support of a small group of marchers' pro-8 signs. and a lot of those supporters were latino/catholic. and with latinos being a very powerful force in california politics due to their sheer number if nothing else, it's not wrong to say that there was a cultural reason prop 8 passed and it didn't ALL have to do with the organizational ineptitude of the anti-8 campaign.
anyway i was very emotional when i started that thread and on reflection i DON'T think "electing a black president" is a comparable issue because the vast vast vast majority of americans feel that the historical enslavement/segregation of black people is a national shame that will hang over our heads forever. whereas the gay issue has to do with straight people squirming over the thought of a penis in another man's butt.
― bro fratriani (get bent), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:20 (seventeen years ago)
a small penis?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:30 (seventeen years ago)
i cant think of many things more important and productive than comparing race issues & sexuality issues
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:33 (seventeen years ago)
whereas the gay issue has to do with straight people squirming over the thought of a penis in another man's butt.
I don't know why this is the one issue where I feel compelled to stick up for people I ultimately disagree with -- and probably this should go on another thread -- but this is just plain not why people have issues with gay marriage, and most of the attempts I see to wave off opposition as patently wrong-headed are just ... disingenuous.
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:38 (seventeen years ago)
uh it is why some people have issues with gay marriage, just not all of them. plenty enough to be mocked though.
― non-ironic safety helmet wearer (John Justen), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:40 (seventeen years ago)
so for those keeping score at home:
"stuff white people like" = "stuff ONLY white people like"
"the gay issue has to do with straight people squirming over the thought of a penis in another man's butt" = "the gay issue has to do with ALL straight people squirming over the thought of a penis in another man's butt"
I think the following URL should be introduced at this point to push this conversation in a more constructive direction:
http://www.uchu-country.com/works/hairhats.html
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:46 (seventeen years ago)
im not gonna revive this shit again but dan do you really think blogger dude is being inclusive of non-whites and just not mentioning it?? even when it comes to stuff like "being the only white person around"?
― and what, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:48 (seventeen years ago)
d-damn.... hair hats.
― ゙(゚、 。 7 (cankles), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:49 (seventeen years ago)
hair hats is impressive
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:57 (seventeen years ago)
It's kind of hard for a non-white person to be the only white person around, so no I do not think he is saying that minorities can be the only white person around. Compare, however, the following:
sushi: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/30/42-sushi/Mos Def: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/17/69-mos-def/
Neither is written from the standpoint that only white people like the entry. One is written from the "this is how to deal with white people on this issue" perspective, the other is "this is how you, as a white person, can use this".
Then there's this entry:
Black Music that Black People Don't Listen To Anymore: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/11/18/116-black-music-that-black-people-dont-listen-to-anymore/
This is obviously saying "black people don't listen to jazz," a categorically false statement. Most of the humor is supposed to derive from the preconceived notions derived from this incorrect premise (the most successful part being "All white people believe that they prefer listening to jazz over watching television. This is not true.").
The entire site seems to me to be attempting to walk down the provocative line that Vice was going for but, because it is sneering at itself rather than everyone it encounters, I think it's more successful. I certainly don't find it offensive because I don't think it's taking its premises seriously, or perhaps more accurately I think it takes very seriously the idea that it is talking a whole bunch of nonsensical shit that shouldn't be taken seriously, whereas something like Vice drips with "yeah this is how we live, we are SHOCKING" keep-it-real bullshit that is sometimes very funny but often offensive and off-putting. As I've said before, I think a better writer would make the site hum (it has nothing on the still-amazing "Black People Love Us!") but I don't think treating this site like there's some blatant racist agenda meant to denigrate minorities makes any kind of rational sense.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:06 (seventeen years ago)
But the nice thing about racism is that it hardly requires a blatant racist agenda, unless we're at the point of defining racism as "pointy white hats". I mean, on this very thread you're talking about how people reveal their casual racism through the way they talk approach issues but are kind of ignoring the way the SWPL dude reveals his casual racism through the way he approaches issues.
I haven't precisely been keeping up with this thread but that strikes me as contradictory.
― Melissa W, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:10 (seventeen years ago)
I think his casual racism is the entire point of the blog and the thing he is trying to send up the most, which is why I think complaining about it misses the entire point of why it exists in the first place.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:12 (seventeen years ago)
That's like three more levels of sophistication than I can possibly credit this guy with.
― Melissa W, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:13 (seventeen years ago)
^^^ Really this is the reason why this entire argument happened in the first place.
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:16 (seventeen years ago)
treating this site like there's some blatant racist agenda meant to denigrate minorities
Not sure who's treated it this way lately -- I think you can read everyone who talks about racial coding as pointing out kind of a ... let's say "subtextual side-effect" of this kind of humor? That kind of coding is rarely if ever the kind of thing the person doing it actually means that way or is even aware of.
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:18 (seventeen years ago)
it'd be interesting to see how reactions to the site would be different if it'd been written by jeff foxworthy and was all redneck jokes.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:55 (seventeen years ago)
you mean if it had been entirely different?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:02 (seventeen years ago)
"He has done an amazing job of being in big budget movies (The Italian Job) and having one of his songs become a white person wedding staple (Ms. Fat Booty) but still retaining authenticity and credibility."
he is not really a good actor and ms. fat booty is not a wedding staple!
― bnw, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:02 (seventeen years ago)
Whew: for a second there I felt like maybe I was going to the few lame weddings where people's grandmother's aren't getting down to "Ms. Fat Booty"
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:05 (seventeen years ago)
hahaha nabisco
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:06 (seventeen years ago)
Next week, who hit me up, I saw Sharice at the kiddie clubWith some banging ass Asian playin lay it down and lick me up
...they're playing our song
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:07 (seventeen years ago)
i just mean there are a lot of different ways you could conceive "stuff white people like," all of which would carry their own race/class complications. because this particular version is of the self-deprecating liberal variety, it scans a lot differently than if larry the cable guy did "stuff white trash people like."
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:08 (seventeen years ago)
(which, really, is what the whole "blue-collar comedy" shtick is.)
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:09 (seventeen years ago)
how the fuck do u hear that as "kiddie club" and not "kitty club" u filthy pedo
― and what, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:09 (seventeen years ago)
hahahaha
― bnw, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:10 (seventeen years ago)
Being mostly from the midwest, my main ethnographic observation about American weddings involves the ritual dance performed to honor the sacred chicken, revered as the source of the eggs used to make "mayonnaise," a staple of the American diet
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:10 (seventeen years ago)
i guess it is possible to make this concept unfunnier
― and what, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:13 (seventeen years ago)
ok, i just spit mayonnaise all over my screen
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:14 (seventeen years ago)
i spit mayonnaise all over my kitty club
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:21 (seventeen years ago)
I try my best, Ethan
― nabisco, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:22 (seventeen years ago)
― and what, Friday, January 16, 2009 3:09 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― horseshoe, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:45 (seventeen years ago)
hahaha
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 16 January 2009 23:42 (seventeen years ago)
I copied it off the internets
they are not trustworthy
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Friday, 16 January 2009 23:50 (seventeen years ago)
btw sorry for getting pissy on a race thread (Again)
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Saturday, 17 January 2009 00:44 (seventeen years ago)
http://fasterthantheworld.com/kids%20incorporated.jpg
― wkiwpedia (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 17 January 2009 00:54 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.whitebirdbrowser.com/
― StanM, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 15:13 (seventeen years ago)
zzzzz
― obi don quixote (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 15:15 (seventeen years ago)
you mean sleeping? yep!
― StanM, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 15:32 (seventeen years ago)
I was thinking this was going to be a pr0n or celeb stalking browser.
― Surfjan Stevens (libcrypt), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 16:34 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/books/01/29/stuff.white.people.like/index.html
― pwner's manual (omar little), Thursday, 29 January 2009 21:39 (seventeen years ago)
CNN: Do you ever worry about offending people?Lander: No. I'm glad when I offend people with this because it's not offensive.
case closed, lock thread
― obi don quixote (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 January 2009 21:45 (seventeen years ago)
ughhhhhsfleijfleijflseijf;zlmv kd
― twitty milk (deej), Friday, 30 January 2009 01:06 (seventeen years ago)
As befitting the genius behind such a site and book, Lander is a bit of a ham (actually, make that Canadian bacon since he hails from Toronto, Ontario).
― i fuck mathematics, Friday, 30 January 2009 01:14 (seventeen years ago)
The blog "Stuff White People Like" is wildly popular with fans who've embraced the hilarious, satirical sendup of the white middle class that -- according to the list -- have an ongoing love affair with things such as coffee (No. 1), organic food (No. 6), yoga (15) and the Toyota Prius (60).
Erm... Shouldn't that be "white upper class?"
― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 30 January 2009 01:25 (seventeen years ago)
http://i43.tinypic.com/m7wbvn.png
― jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 20:30 (seventeen years ago)
urban exploration: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3117769
― (pronounced /ˈfɑrv/sklOf/tO/fewˈ/) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 04:18 (sixteen years ago)
yes, that something awful tard represents us all
― master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 04:35 (sixteen years ago)
i break into neighbors' houses all the time when they're on vacation!
(neighbors: not really.)
― ultimate sushi baller move (get bent), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 04:36 (sixteen years ago)
facebook!
http://i30.tinypic.com/2vajb79.png
― sugg life (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 11 July 2009 07:14 (sixteen years ago)
no photoshop btw it rally says "will drop knowledge bombs on digital culture"
― sugg life (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 11 July 2009 07:16 (sixteen years ago)
watch on justin.tv
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 11 July 2009 07:23 (sixteen years ago)
I can't remember what it was, or where I was, but there was some string of crypto-racist websites that led me to a page on swpl, a website I'd seen before but didn't dwell on. The author of the particular swpl page had linked to it from his own crypto-racist blog. Apparently you've all already dissected swpl pretty thoroughly.
I wouldn't be able to track back to who the writer was, though. Pretty disgusting stuff, it was.
Then I read John McWhorter essays for an hour. This was some time last month. Sorry to contribute such vague stuff.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 11 July 2009 07:42 (sixteen years ago)
I'm white, and I like vague stuff ... keep posting it.
― faucet that ass (sarahel), Saturday, 11 July 2009 07:52 (sixteen years ago)
I've been looking and can't find the guy, but one of the contributors brags:
"I ride a bicycle in Los Angeles and keep one of the best NCAA blogs on the internet."
Riding a bike in LA is tops for smug whiteness.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 11 July 2009 08:25 (sixteen years ago)
I feel like I have to retract, though, because I've scoured the site and looked at the McWhorter essays and can't find anything. I remember McWhorter responding to this person . . . maybe I've got the publication wrong, because I've only been looking in The New Republic. Anyway, I'm confused because there are only two main contributors to swpl. I wonder wonder wonder.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 11 July 2009 08:42 (sixteen years ago)
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-contribution-to-stuff-white-people.html
I found it. He's not a contributor. I was confused because he wrote an entry on his blog that is titled, "My contribution to the Stuff White People Like book." Steve Sailer is his name. Took me an hour to track it down. Why am I typing to a void.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 11 July 2009 09:07 (sixteen years ago)
he will "hob-knob" with the "internet famous" apparently
― thomp, Saturday, 11 July 2009 09:21 (sixteen years ago)
i am aware there is a verb 'hobnob' meaning "to, like, hang out"
'hob-knob' as far as i'm concerned just means sticking yr dick on a hot plate
― thomp, Saturday, 11 July 2009 09:22 (sixteen years ago)
"oops"- dan deacon
http://i28.tinypic.com/2w4we9d.png
― birthday lex (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 July 2009 10:10 (sixteen years ago)
get hooked-up
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 July 2009 10:23 (sixteen years ago)
get the hook-up
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 July 2009 10:25 (sixteen years ago)
hob-knob
this guy has really JUMPED THE PRIUS amirite
― birthday lex (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 July 2009 10:27 (sixteen years ago)
wait so dan deacon and christian lander are the same person?
― braveclub, Friday, 24 July 2009 10:30 (sixteen years ago)
Subway near my work had a "two for one" deal today and THOUSANDS OF WHITE PEOPLE were queuing around the block. It was utter chaos.
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Friday, 24 July 2009 10:46 (sixteen years ago)
http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/
― (I'm white, btw.) (kenan), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:21 (sixteen years ago)
I had a heart attack just from looking at that website.
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:23 (sixteen years ago)
And you're still posting, what with all the excruciating pain, loss of feeling in your limbs, and probable vomiting. You, sir, are a trooper.
― (I'm white, btw.) (kenan), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:30 (sixteen years ago)
Heh heh, I think you may be reading my posts a lil' bit too literally!
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:31 (sixteen years ago)
Don't fuck around with "literally," man.
I will cut you.
― (I'm white, btw.) (kenan), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:33 (sixteen years ago)
HEY GRINGO YOU WANNA TAKE A PIECE OF ME?? I KEEL YOU, ESE, I KEEL YOU GOOD!!
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:35 (sixteen years ago)
stuff mexicans like
― (I'm white, btw.) (kenan), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:37 (sixteen years ago)
I can't tell if my screen name makes an ironic racist joke better or way worse.
― (I'm white, btw.) (kenan), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:40 (sixteen years ago)
- Morrissey- Exporting shitty beer in clear glass bottles for homosexuals- Big hats
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:41 (sixteen years ago)
- peppers- cigars- your wife
― (I'm white, btw.) (kenan), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:42 (sixteen years ago)
I hope you don't mean my Curvy Colombian Wife.
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:44 (sixteen years ago)
No, the pretty one.
― (I'm white, btw.) (kenan), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:46 (sixteen years ago)
Skipping 1096 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.
you people
― the shitbirdification of america's youth (cankles), Friday, 24 July 2009 11:49 (sixteen years ago)
I told my boss that sometimes, the wife and I like to take in a little Outback, and she says to me with a snarky look, "Well, you know why you like Outback?" and I say, "Um, because the steaks are okay and I'm a fan of garlic mashed potatoes?" and she says, "No. It's because you're white." I say okay, walk out of her office, and five minutes later, there's a forwarded link of this stupid site sent to me from her.
I felt offended from several different angles:
A.) Some black people like fried chicken because it's so goddamm tasty and some white people like to go to Australian themed restaurants because it's Sunday and the good local steak place is closed. Not in the mood to be stereotyped for doing "white" things that aren't really all that "white" in the first place.
B.) There's no way that my boss would have said that had one of us been non-white, so in essence, it became like this little private race joke between two white people. Not cool when it's happening in the workplace. We can bond, if you want, but let's not bond just because both of our ancestors shot Indians and owned slaves.
C.) That Web site is one of the suckiest pieces of shit to have come out of the Internet during these past Bush years. Don't send me that link and think I'll find it funny because that's nearly more offensive than the previous two points.
― http://tinyurl.com/ggggst (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 24 July 2009 15:11 (sixteen years ago)
I still maintain that "Assists" and "Being an expert on YOUR culture" are funny.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 15:14 (sixteen years ago)
I told my boss that sometimes, the wife and I like to take in a little Outback
jesus fucking christ take it to TMI like the rest of the pervs
― max, Friday, 24 July 2009 15:15 (sixteen years ago)
hahaha I admit this was also my first reaction
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 15:17 (sixteen years ago)
the beast with two Outbacks
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 July 2009 15:19 (sixteen years ago)
http://thechairman.info/images/ohlawd.jpg
― http://tinyurl.com/ggggst (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 24 July 2009 15:26 (sixteen years ago)
I think ILMM needs to band together to make a ringtone track about how eating at Outback is fucking awesome and then PP can make it his ringtone and drive his boss loooooney-toooons
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 25 July 2009 06:35 (sixteen years ago)
white people and hi-hats!! what nonsense!!
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 25 July 2009 06:36 (sixteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1RMuoQnKo
In 2005 Arlington was ranked first among walkable cities in the United States by the American Podiatric Medical Association.[3]
Yeah. Suck on it.
― never name anything coolpix (kenan), Saturday, 25 July 2009 06:51 (sixteen years ago)
Happy 30th anniversary of "white people rapping = funny," everybody!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 25 July 2009 07:21 (sixteen years ago)
I remember the first time I heard a white person rap, I was so taken aback by this hilarious juxtaposition that I demanded no less that 4 viral video sensations a year, none of them cluttered changing the premise in any way whatsoever.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 25 July 2009 07:22 (sixteen years ago)
you are such a tiresome fucking schmuck
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 25 July 2009 07:46 (sixteen years ago)
― tru_uth hurts (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 July 2009 07:49 (sixteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:22 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― El Tomboto, Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:46 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha this was the first time i laughed at whiney bitterness in a minute
― butthurt (deej), Saturday, 25 July 2009 07:50 (sixteen years ago)
me too!!
― tru_uth hurts (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 July 2009 07:50 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/247511.1020.A.jpg
― velko, Saturday, 25 July 2009 08:56 (sixteen years ago)
My house has been invaded by white people listening to Paul Simon. Help, what do I do here?
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:35 (sixteen years ago)
Take a new pill, Phil
― velko, Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:36 (sixteen years ago)
BRO I NEED DISCO BISCUITS FOR REALS
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 25 July 2009 09:43 (sixteen years ago)
what a cast, for real
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 July 2009 10:36 (sixteen years ago)
If anyone wants to sample some irony from a stuff white people like thread, do what I did and go for a GIS for "Oh Lawd". Holy (*#QPO:FLKE
― http://tinyurl.com/ggggst (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 25 July 2009 16:03 (sixteen years ago)
Am I the only white person who says "oh lawd" with no intended irony?
― master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:43 (sixteen years ago)
didn't Phil Collins do this in a popular song?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:46 (sixteen years ago)
outback steaks are pretty decent but they tend to be over seasoned
― mile high guy (brownie), Saturday, 25 July 2009 19:55 (sixteen years ago)
It's either Outback or one of those Texas-themed places, so, well, you know.
― http://tinyurl.com/ggggst (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:15 (sixteen years ago)
def Outback in that case
― mile high guy (brownie), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:38 (sixteen years ago)
― challop matters (King Boy Pato), Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:35 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
join in? ps is dope imo
― butthurt (deej), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:57 (sixteen years ago)
Lady Smith Black MamBato
― http://tinyurl.com/ggggst (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 25 July 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)
i assumed you guys go to outback whenever sunny is feeling homesick
― max, Sunday, 26 July 2009 11:55 (sixteen years ago)
So did I. People who move countries are often nostalgic for home cooking and will accept a pale imitation as it is better than nothing (London's equivalent for Americans is Bodean's ribs or the burrito cart). This is often difficult to explain to Americans who do not hold a passport. Does this sound like your colleague?
― clear chanel (suzy), Sunday, 26 July 2009 12:05 (sixteen years ago)
http://i42.tinypic.com/2rrkwna.jpg
― never name anything coolpix (kenan), Sunday, 26 July 2009 12:31 (sixteen years ago)
Last time we were there, one of the hostesses came up to our table and told us she was Australian too. She too had met her husband online and now here she was in Arkansas working at an Outback. Well then.
When I went down there, I got Sunny to take me to their Texas-themed restaurant (The Dixie Café hasn't made its way that far yet) just so I could order a Bud off of the Import menu.
― http://tinyurl.com/ggggst (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 26 July 2009 17:13 (sixteen years ago)
My son wanted to go to Outback after his college graduation. The tv ads had gotten to him. We went, with trepidation. Everything was TOTALLY DELICIOUS.
― Beth Parker, Sunday, 26 July 2009 18:58 (sixteen years ago)
Anyone who chooses Outback over Texas Roadhouse is a fool.
― My vagina has a dress code. (milo z), Sunday, 26 July 2009 19:05 (sixteen years ago)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/10/14/1255539484739/Christian-Lander-blogger--001.jpghttp://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/10/14/1255539484739/Christian-Lander-blogger--001.jpghttp://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/10/14/1255539484739/Christian-Lander-blogger--001.jpg
― caek, Thursday, 15 October 2009 12:42 (sixteen years ago)
the larger version of that photo in the Guardian magazine today was even more spectacular, with New Yorker artfully sticking out of messenger bag, nestled against a macbook. I know nothing about bikes but I think he's sat on a fixie too. This is all joeks stuff from the blog, I assume (never having read it)?
― Bill A, Thursday, 15 October 2009 13:27 (sixteen years ago)
the crop on the website really gets to the point though. this fucking guy.
― caek, Thursday, 15 October 2009 13:29 (sixteen years ago)
Guardian with its finger on the cultural pulse as ever.
― Neil S, Thursday, 15 October 2009 13:59 (sixteen years ago)
I don't get that pic... White people love baguettes?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 15 October 2009 14:17 (sixteen years ago)
Book seems to be getting a (re) push in the UK I guess? Says at the bottom of the piece he's doing a talk at the LSE next week which I assume is part of that
― Vladislav Delap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 15 October 2009 14:20 (sixteen years ago)
Well I work at the LSE and, speaking as a White person, I can confirm that I do not like him and will not be attending.
― Neil S, Thursday, 15 October 2009 14:51 (sixteen years ago)
okay my mom who is a first gen. immigrant with a passable working knowledge of english just sent me an email with two entries from stuff white people like?! wtf??
― but actually it is impossible to have a penis on the body of a mermaid (dyao), Friday, 12 March 2010 08:14 (fifteen years ago)
LOL. Next week at LSE ... dude from 'what white people like'?
― etaeoe, Friday, 12 March 2010 12:26 (fifteen years ago)
i saw the dude who writes this blog tonight in some eastside bar. he was with white people btw.
― velko, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 07:22 (fifteen years ago)
makes you think
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 May 2010 07:27 (fifteen years ago)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/10/14/1255539484739/Christian-Lander-blogger--001.jpg
― going non-native (dyao), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 07:27 (fifteen years ago)
12:27AM
― velko, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 07:30 (fifteen years ago)
a guy at work pointed this website out to me yesterday
― Guns, Computer, The Internet (harbl), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 11:06 (fifteen years ago)
a guy at work put me on to modest mouse the other day
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)
they're album artists
― the rural führer (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-real-stuff-white-people-like/
The REAL ‘Stuff White People Like’
^proven by science^
― pissky in the jar (onimo), Thursday, 9 September 2010 14:47 (fifteen years ago)
For instance, it turns out that all kinds of people list sushi as one of their favorite foods. But Asians are the only group who also list sashimi; it's a racial outlier. Similarly, as we shall see, black people are 20 times more likely than everyone else to mention soul food, whereas no foods are distinct for white people, unless you count diet coke.
loooooooool
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:18 (fifteen years ago)
Stuff White People on OK Cupid Like
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 10 September 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)
the weirdest thing about those lists to me was that apparently the only middle eastern girls who use ok cupid are hipsters:
scarvescat powernew wavethe unbearable lightness of beingbaudelaireimpromptui love natureexhibitbuddhismquirkysensitivebrooklyn
and most crucially
M.F.A.
― max, Friday, 10 September 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)
do jews = middle eastern?
― Picture me ¯\(°_°)/¯ ing (symsymsym), Friday, 10 September 2010 16:15 (fifteen years ago)
just sayin
israelis might? but the male list has no brooklyn cat power mfa signifiers
― max, Friday, 10 September 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
rat-fucking
― crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 30 September 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)
is that a drew friedman cover?
― some o))) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 September 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)
sure looks like it
― crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 30 September 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
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― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 16:01 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_v7QrIW0zY
i will find this meaningful and touching when 1) you get better music2) you don't tape the fucking thing with the intention of showing it off on youtube3) you are on less of a broadway power trip
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:40 (thirteen years ago)
what is a broadway power trip?
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070314003722/muppet/images/1/18/Msnoodle.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 28 May 2012 14:50 (thirteen years ago)
highly theatrical, egotistical, OTT, smug, people manipulating
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 15:06 (thirteen years ago)
"my feelings for you are best explained by making these fifteen beardos kick step ball change"
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 15:08 (thirteen years ago)
http://godandcountrytheatre.com/
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Monday, 22 October 2012 21:37 (thirteen years ago)
http://thekinspiracy.tumblr.com/
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 February 2015 19:33 (eleven years ago)
holy shit. The predictability is blowing my mind. Are these people copying each other or do they each think they've had an original idea or is it some combination of both? Does this aesthetic have a name? I've seen it before, have been mildly repulsed by it and dismissive of it, but I don't know how to categorize it for my own smug identity politics.
I knew a guy who was/is locally famous for making latte art and he was the only person I met with easily diagnosable narcissistic personality disorder.
― bamcquern, Sunday, 1 February 2015 21:25 (eleven years ago)
something something starbucks something something steve jobs
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 February 2015 21:50 (eleven years ago)
kinvolk amirite
― A MOOC, what's a MOOC? (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 1 February 2015 21:52 (eleven years ago)
Had never heard of kinfolk mag before finding that site but wow
What’s your favorite time of day to drink tea?Funny, one of the original drafts for our website began with this tagline: All Day We Drink Tea. So yes, I drink tea when I feel like drinking tea, regardless of the time of day. While I usually have my tea and food separately, I’ve also been experimenting with food and cocktails prepared with tea. For example, dashi with a bit of roasted oolong added at the very end accentuates its smoky notes. As of late, I’ve been obsessing over tea-based cocktails. My latest after work drink is my take on an Old Fashioned, made with bourbon, maple syrup, yuzu, bitters and a 20-year aged oolong tea. It’s really delicious.
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 February 2015 21:53 (eleven years ago)
ngl, thought the grapefruit one was latte art at first and was reluctantly impressed. But now pretty sure its just two halves of a grapefruit
― A MOOC, what's a MOOC? (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 1 February 2015 21:59 (eleven years ago)
The flags are a slightly menacing touch.
― jmm, Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:02 (eleven years ago)
Most of these people seem to be pro or semi-pro photographers virtually pitching for work.
Kinfolk is very twee but aesthetically less objectionable than a lot of hipster stuff. They all seem to lead lovely lives of neatly arranged rustic tranquility but I wouldn't want to hear their music or read their novels.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:05 (eleven years ago)
what makes "hipster stuff" more objectionable?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:10 (eleven years ago)
Kinfolk is definitely hipster stuff as well. I tend to find their aesthetic brighter, prettier and less busy than a lot of similar magazines, though there's obviously a huge overlap with the terrible people in the artisan / Innocent Smoothies threads.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:24 (eleven years ago)
kinfolk is not hipster stuff. The aesthetic isn't hipster.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:28 (eleven years ago)
o man this thread
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:35 (eleven years ago)
kinfolk aethetic is special snowflake, not hipster
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:36 (eleven years ago)
Hipster is a fairly malleable term but the urban-rustic, ecologically-minded, artisan-spoon-whittling thing that defines how most people where I live think of hipsterism is entirely in line with Kinfolk's shtick.
http://i.imgur.com/OA1zBCW.jpg?1
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:36 (eleven years ago)
i'm getting a total connecticut vibe from this stuff
― CoolRadio, Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:36 (eleven years ago)
hipster = engaged semi-desperately w/ pop culture, trying to stay ahead of it to maintain a position from which one can sneer at those less aware. therefore, it's constantly in flux. "urban-rustic, ecologically-minded, artisan-spoon-whittling" may for a moment seem hip, thus of interest to hipsters, but this too shall pass. hipster, in general, must be hostile, cynical, suspicious, and hungry to exclude/secede. anything that scans as complacent, domestic, conformist, comfortable, or middle class will eventually become the object of hipster contempt. e.g., the kinspiracy is hipster, kinfolk is just an urban and supposedly sophisticated spin on aspirational lifestyle bullshit.
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:45 (eleven years ago)
if we go back to the theory posited by myself and my fellow Phd in Hipster Studies, Mr. Weingarten, that there are circles of hipsterdom, with the center being truly "hipster" and the outer circles having some overlap and proximity, this kinfolk stuff is in one of the outer circles ... understandably associated with hipster culture by someone quite unfamiliar with it, but to hipster scholars, laughably far from it.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 1 February 2015 22:50 (eleven years ago)
I maintain that this is a natural evolution of hipsterism that only those close to the ground will truly recognise as such. It doesn't surprise me that those in the ivory towers of academia are taking a while to catch up.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 1 February 2015 23:09 (eleven years ago)
hipster studies don't have ivory towers
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 1 February 2015 23:10 (eleven years ago)
I maintain that this is a natural evolution of hipsterism that only those close to the ground will truly recognise as such.
http://www.cesar.com/live-the-life/meet-the-breeds/images/breed-gallery/breeds/pomeranian/pomeranian-height.jpg
― No-Neck Blue's Banned - Craig Bellamy (nakhchivan), Sunday, 1 February 2015 23:16 (eleven years ago)
is that a pom silhouette?!!!
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 1 February 2015 23:19 (eleven years ago)
are poms hipsters?
― Mordy, Sunday, 1 February 2015 23:25 (eleven years ago)
they are not, but they are my favorite type of dog
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 1 February 2015 23:26 (eleven years ago)
there are circles of hipsterdom, with the center being truly "hipster" and the outer circles having some overlap and proximity, this kinfolk stuff is in one of the outer circles ... understandably associated with hipster culture by someone quite unfamiliar with it, but to hipster scholars, laughably far from it.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, February 1, 2015 2:50 PM (44 minutes ago)
this, ftr, is real-deal hipster shit. must proceed from assumption that when most people talk about "hipsters", all they're doing is making clear how far behind the curve they've fallen.
no offense, ms. hell. i tip my invisible and unwashed hat.
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Sunday, 1 February 2015 23:41 (eleven years ago)
kinfolk is another way of saying "you're not our kind, dear." but in a hipper, more portlandia sort-of way.
― CoolRadio, Monday, 2 February 2015 00:09 (eleven years ago)
http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/04/27/fashion/27KINFOLK1/27KINFOLK1-master675.jpg
seriously, look at these fucks
― CoolRadio, Monday, 2 February 2015 00:14 (eleven years ago)
looks like there is a serious storm front moving in in that pic
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 2 February 2015 00:17 (eleven years ago)
wow they look so horrible
― brimstead, Monday, 2 February 2015 00:17 (eleven years ago)
http://trivandrum.click.in/pomeranian-puppies-for-sale-aryan-kennel-9555944924-c57-v5577696
― No-Neck Blue's Banned - Craig Bellamy (nakhchivan), Monday, 2 February 2015 00:19 (eleven years ago)
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 2 February 2015 00:20 (eleven years ago)
kinspiracy tumblr would have been better without the "white people" bit, just pandering to future denizens of a deeper circle of hell than that represented by the audience for "Kinfolk" itself.
(Surely this has been covered right? That they can't do this "white people" thing again without revealing their essentialist notions of other races? That other races aren't just "naturally creative," as their dopey little joke about making white people feel creative implies? That this is "natural rhythm" territory? That people in other races are just as good at being bourgeois and boring, and shouldn't have to endure a complex about it built around it being "acting white"?)
― Vic Perry, Monday, 2 February 2015 00:36 (eleven years ago)
everybody in all those photos are whitei mean i dunno about who's wearing the boots but it seems like a safe bet
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 February 2015 03:29 (eleven years ago)
xp I think it goes both ways. I think it does imply essentialist notions about other races, but at the same time, not talking about white ethnicity centers whiteness as the invisible default.
― bamcquern, Monday, 2 February 2015 06:31 (eleven years ago)
just clicked through to some of the instagrams that are linked to from the front page and at least two of those people are not white
― soref, Monday, 2 February 2015 06:42 (eleven years ago)
everybody in all those photos are white; if you wanna argue that the curation on the tumblr could be done better that's maybe a different issue than what i'm responding to.
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 February 2015 07:11 (eleven years ago)
This seems relevant:
http://www.brooklynholdingcompany.com
When Portland shit goes beyond Portlandia into far deeper self-parody
― Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Monday, 2 February 2015 07:52 (eleven years ago)
fwiw, one of the first nine is an Asian dude and another is a Romanian woman so it seems to extend further than straight-up American WASP style.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Monday, 2 February 2015 09:48 (eleven years ago)
i give up: it's a rainbow panoply of inclusion
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 February 2015 09:51 (eleven years ago)
There is an argument to be made that there's a soft 'blood and soil' fascism to the whole thing but you can say that about a lot of minimalist, back-to-nature, quasi-rustic stuff.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Monday, 2 February 2015 10:10 (eleven years ago)
Neo-rustic-ana vs Health Goth
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 2 February 2015 10:27 (eleven years ago)
Slow fascism
― jmm, Monday, 2 February 2015 15:25 (eleven years ago)
What’s your favorite time of day to drink tea?
fancy man enjoys tea
― Darin, Monday, 2 February 2015 15:35 (eleven years ago)
LOL that 'Mercuns consider tea as a fancy drink for poseurs and Frenchmen.
― pig∞n (dog latin), Monday, 2 February 2015 15:42 (eleven years ago)
Random but the guy who created this produced and wrote on a few seasons of black-ish
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 January 2021 10:08 (five years ago)
was expecting a much more /trench revive
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 January 2021 02:14 (five years ago)
rvmic
― pomenitul, Monday, 11 January 2021 02:16 (five years ago)
Potatoes
― Daz White (darraghmac), Monday, 11 January 2021 02:22 (five years ago)
stacey abrams seems cool but it seems like there's a weird white people thing with, like, buying her prayer candle?
― map, Monday, 11 January 2021 02:51 (five years ago)
i mean there are much worse things that white people like, i guess
― pomenitul, Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:16 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I love reviving threads based on tv writing credits
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 11 January 2021 02:56 (five years ago)
― map, Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:51 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah, there's a term that starts with "magical" that I don't even feel comfortable saying anymore...
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 January 2021 02:58 (five years ago)
yeah man it's a little unhinged. also, like, compensating, but not in a good way.
― map, Monday, 11 January 2021 02:59 (five years ago)
How long are you supposed to soak a cast iron pot before putting it in the dishwasher?— giabuchi lastrassi (@jaboukie) January 10, 2021
― map, Monday, 11 January 2021 03:34 (five years ago)
Pickleball
― Sam Weller, Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:22 (three years ago)
Boris and Carrie’s first dance at their wedding. This is just extraordinarily tragic, from music choice to the dance via the suit. pic.twitter.com/rFHh4B3RfP— Jamie East (@jamieeast) August 5, 2022
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:48 (three years ago)
holy fuck!
― calzino, Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:52 (three years ago)
the guy filming it is a peach as well
― calzino, Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:56 (three years ago)
someone on twitter said "drunk uncle dancing inappropriately with his 15-year-old niece"
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:01 (three years ago)
ultimately this is the "oh he's so hilarious" cult of Boris stuff that large swathes of the UK actually like. It's also why he could have easily beaten Kieth in the next election.
― calzino, Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:07 (three years ago)