http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/police-investigate-explosion-in-times-square/index.html?hp
― Ed, Thursday, 6 March 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)
No effect to mass transit during rush hour this morning.
― calstars, Thursday, 6 March 2008 13:11 (seventeen years ago)
Law enforcement officials tell ABC News that a single, small improvised device was tossed, apparently by a man on a bike, at the armed forces booth in Times Square early this morning, causing the center of midtown Manhattan to be locked down and subways to be diverted but no major property damage.
― cutty, Thursday, 6 March 2008 14:23 (seventeen years ago)
Al-qaeda resources clearly very stretched.
― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 6 March 2008 14:25 (seventeen years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 6 March 2008 15:10 (seventeen years ago)
ban bikes
― Jarlrmai, Thursday, 6 March 2008 15:24 (seventeen years ago)
Man on bike is identified as "in his 20s" but not by race, which is ... interesting.
POINTLESS SPECULATION: The fact that it's a janky window-breaking attack on the recruiting station initially made me a little afraid that this could turn out to be a crazy pissed-off lefty, but if they think it might be connected to the Mexican consulate bomb ... who knows? Both things are relatively ineffective as broad "terrorism," and seem more like weirdo "political" acts, only by people who won't do the important part where you announce what the point is.
― nabisco, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:01 (seventeen years ago)
i assumed it was a crazy pissed-off, you know, veteran
― gabbneb, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:02 (seventeen years ago)
It was a crazy pissed-off cyclist
― Tom D., Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:03 (seventeen years ago)
Next time use a giant, exploding bee from another dimension.
― Bodrick III, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:03 (seventeen years ago)
tho you could read it differently if it's a 'military outpost in the heart of new york city'
― gabbneb, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:03 (seventeen years ago)
Next time blow up TCKTS
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:04 (seventeen years ago)
if I stick a thumbtack in a Black Cat is that an IED?
― wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:04 (seventeen years ago)
Man on bike is identified as "in his 20s" but not by race, which is ... interesting
lol white guy
― HI DERE, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:05 (seventeen years ago)
Possibly the only thing we can safely presume is the "crazy" part -- doesn't seem like anything you'd do for any reason apart from wacko lone-man grudge-holding, right?
Just so long as nobody's trying to get all Weather Underground around here, and so long as they wait at least three months for the Law & Order.
xpost - Yeah, Dan, does that mean white guy by default? Except you'd think in a "terrorism" story that would be worth specifying. It also says his face was "partially covered," which is almost making me think someone said "man in his 20s" just based on his body, despite not actually seeing enough to identify anything at all.
― nabisco, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:08 (seventeen years ago)
It also says his face was "partially covered,"
Hijab or burqa?
― Tom D., Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:08 (seventeen years ago)
hoodie
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)
Thank god the UK banned hoodies and installed CCTV cameras or else they could have had devastating terror attacks like these with the potential for a massive loss of life.
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.anus.com/zine/db/unabomber/unabomber-sketch.jpg
― gabbneb, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)
THIS JUST IN
Explosive Devices Found at UC Davis E-MailPrint Save By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: March 6, 2008 Filed at 10:52 a.m. ET
DAVIS, Calif. (AP) -- A student is in custody following the discovery of explosive devices at the University of California, Davis.
University police Capt. Joyce Souza tells the Sacramento Bee that investigators found what appears to be two pipe bombs in a dorm.
Four hundred students have been evacuated from eight dormitory buildings while police investigate.
Police became aware of the situation Wednesday night after a woman reported that students had possible explosive devices in a dorm room. Police say after questioning four students they arrested 19-year-old Mark Woods, a freshman from Southern California.
He's being held on possession of materials with the intent to make an explosive or destructive device and other charges.
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:11 (seventeen years ago)
My friend had a bomb thread called into his office in b0st0n
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:11 (seventeen years ago)
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8999/bape2gu2.jpg
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:12 (seventeen years ago)
I didn't call this bomb thread into my office, it just showed up.
― wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:17 (seventeen years ago)
I HAVE A GUB
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:18 (seventeen years ago)
I'm surprised it took this long for Brazil to finally become the documentary it was.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:19 (seventeen years ago)
This has to be on video, right?
― Kerm, Thursday, 6 March 2008 17:22 (seventeen years ago)
it was ethan with a truth bomb :(
― DG, Thursday, 6 March 2008 17:46 (seventeen years ago)
it was custos with a logistical beatdown
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 March 2008 17:49 (seventeen years ago)
Improvised? Like MacGyver?
― StanM, Thursday, 6 March 2008 18:03 (seventeen years ago)
Coltrane
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 March 2008 18:08 (seventeen years ago)
are they sure it wasn't just more Aqua Teens swag
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 6 March 2008 18:13 (seventeen years ago)
also ladies this is not a "pipe bomb" http://www.amsterdamheadshop.com/how-to-make-a-bong.jpg
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 6 March 2008 18:14 (seventeen years ago)
This thread = every future thread related to a bombing in a major U.S. urban center = 9/11 changed everything, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan
― Beatrix Kiddo, Thursday, 6 March 2008 19:28 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0308/8_House_Democrats_get_letterspic_of_NY_recruiting_station_before_bombing.html
― gabbneb, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:42 (seventeen years ago)
Did they ever find out who was responsible for the 2001 anthrax attacks?
― gabbneb, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)
-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, March 6, 2008 7:10 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link
― max, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, lots of fear in NYC today.
― gabbneb, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:44 (seventeen years ago)
I think we're more afraid of your basic infrastructure failures.
-- gabbneb, Thursday, 6 March 2008 16:10 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
lol, what I was thinking.
― Bodrick III, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:47 (seventeen years ago)
Anthrax powder mailed to U.S. Senators! FBI busy investigating.
― Aimless, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:49 (seventeen years ago)
^^ "anus.com" ??
― nabisco, Friday, 7 March 2008 01:01 (seventeen years ago)
video http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/06/police-release-footage-of_n_90180.html
― jhøshea, Friday, 7 March 2008 01:13 (seventeen years ago)
Looks like Hillary may have slept through the 3 am call.
Posted By: Sharon | March 06, 2008
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 March 2008 02:43 (seventeen years ago)
guys obv this was a mccain flak in a hoodie
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 March 2008 02:45 (seventeen years ago)
And right on time, it's the latest completely non-specific Al Qaeda threat alert!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_threat
― Hurting 2, Friday, 7 March 2008 02:52 (seventeen years ago)
i was in times square around 4:30 this afternoon and traffic was stopped for like 30 police cars with lights flashing (but not sirens) driving west on 42nd for no apparent reason. it was like a parade. kinda pretty, you could see the red lights for a few blocks.
― tehresa, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:14 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, those cop cars apparently do those 'surges' all the time to
a) discourage streetcrime. b) make everyone feel like the NYPD on top of things
...or so says the Aussie dude on the other side of the world who has only read of such things.
― Mikey Bidness, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:39 (seventeen years ago)
there were SOOOO many footcops all over midtown, too.
― tehresa, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:41 (seventeen years ago)
Assuming this was planned by ppl who KNEW there would be no injuries, all I can muster is... BRAVO.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 7 March 2008 14:18 (seventeen years ago)
tehresa, you witnessed a "show of strength." potential terrorists, fear our motorcades!
― lauren, Friday, 7 March 2008 14:44 (seventeen years ago)
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6830051
― the dessert speaks (gabbneb), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:33 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?hp
― Super Cub, Sunday, 2 May 2010 04:24 (fifteen years ago)
Perrin: Now, why would Pakistanis be upset with us?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 11:22 (fifteen years ago)
Morbs, that may not seem like a nonsequitor to you, but I shouldn't have to google that hard to decrypt a crotchety one-liner. And to be honest, I still don't know why you posted it.
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)
perrin = america-is-always-wrong dude morbs likes to quote
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Monday, 3 May 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)
in this case apparently saying all pakistanis h8 america? or all pakistanis support terrorism? idk seems kinda fucked up to me but that's perrin!
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Monday, 3 May 2010 11:51 (fifteen years ago)
everything's kinda fucked up
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 11:53 (fifteen years ago)
no argument here
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Monday, 3 May 2010 11:54 (fifteen years ago)
The quote is just a tweet. I don't understand the context at all. It seems only tangentially related to the car bomb story.
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 11:56 (fifteen years ago)
Post 1.) Link to news story about a freaking terrorist attack in NYC.Post 2.) Somebody's facebook status update.
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 12:02 (fifteen years ago)
Post 1.) Link to news story about a freaking terrorist attack in NYC.Post 2.) "I just made a butter and hummus sandwich."
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 12:05 (fifteen years ago)
i'm confused! did a pakistani person make the bomb?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 May 2010 12:13 (fifteen years ago)
“We have no idea who did this or why,” Mr. Bloomberg said.
oh, i guess they don't know who did it. now i'm more confused than ever!
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 May 2010 12:15 (fifteen years ago)
Post 1.) Link to news story about a freaking terrorist attack in NYC.Post 2.) "Is looking forward to a warm and drama-free weekend!."
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 12:17 (fifteen years ago)
lol
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 May 2010 12:17 (fifteen years ago)
Just ribbing Morbs, obviously. My money is on "homegrown right-wing lone-wolf."
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 12:25 (fifteen years ago)
cad, you are aware that Bloomberg doesn't know anything other than how to protect the oligarchy?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 15:33 (fifteen years ago)
not helping w/my confusion, sry
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 May 2010 15:34 (fifteen years ago)
jeezus, hearing Bloomie whine yesterday about how safe Times Square is -- like any natives wanna go there anymore -- was worse than the humidity.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)
Bloomberg looked so frail on "Good Morning, America" that George Stephanopoupoupoulos could have knocked him cold with his glasses.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 15:40 (fifteen years ago)
^lol
― peacocks, Monday, 3 May 2010 17:11 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/nyregion/04bomb.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fnyregion%2Findex.jsonp
― peacocks, Monday, 3 May 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)
fbi found the owner of the car but don't think they are the suspect
― peacocks, Monday, 3 May 2010 17:40 (fifteen years ago)
Love that dude used nonexplosive fertilizer.
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 17:47 (fifteen years ago)
How fortunate for us that the incompetance of felons sometimes negates their bad intentions.
― Aimless, Monday, 3 May 2010 17:52 (fifteen years ago)
wtf does this have to do Pakistan, or did we conclude that Morbz is just blitzed and posting random shit to random threads?
― Mordy, Monday, 3 May 2010 17:53 (fifteen years ago)
The tweet Morbius copied was from a right-wing tweeter in part of a long string of tweets about the Times Square situation.
It might have something to do with a Taliban-related group who apparently tried to claim responsibility, although apparently they try to falsely claim credit for lots of terror attempts/attacks.
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:00 (fifteen years ago)
the "Pakistan Taliban" claimed credit, that's all. xp
yeah lol, Perrin is a "right-wing tweeter" who used to work for Fqairness & Accuracy in Reporting.
Still waiting for enrique to enlighten us on all the US has done for Pakistanis.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)
I know Bamfans can't tell right from left when Obama, God & America are being slammed, but still.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:04 (fifteen years ago)
Personally, I think terrorism and other acts of violence are reprehensible and inexcusable no matter who does it and whether it's "justified" by the victim's government's foreign policy.
― Mordy, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
(Challenging opinion, I know.)
― Mordy, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
So he was a left-winger that turned into a right-winger? Sorry, he doesn't have a wiki page or any kind of major coverage that precisely spells out what his deal is.
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
Very natural position to take, Mordy, if you are a civilian, living in the world's most powerful nation, and therefore well-insulated from the foreign policy of most other nations.
― Aimless, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)
A cursory survey of history will instruct that the era in which civilians weren't considered wartime targets was both limited in time (from around 1500 to 1914) and geographical scope (Western Europe and a few of its colonies).
There's at least a couple extrajudicial killings / murders by Predator UAV every week in Pakistan. Its a part of the world that didn't have that short-lived idea of professional soldiery.
― nori dusted (Sanpaku), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
I agree with Mordy.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:39 (fifteen years ago)
mostly i feel like trying to assign varying levels of moral righteousness to violence and death is one of those awful futile tasks thats both utterly useless and unfortunately common
― max, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
Improvised Explosive Device in Times Square NYC, are you an iPod?
― StanM, Monday, 3 May 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)
http://cookingforbrevitt.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mooninite.jpg
― Fetchboy, Monday, 3 May 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, May 3, 2010 7:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i try not to deal in idiotic soot-and-whitewash BS a la perrin
currently in pakistan the US is backing the bad against the worse
how they got there? not straightforward
probably easier to blame the brits for partition -- whatever converts an insanely complex history into a morality play that suits you, really
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Monday, 3 May 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)
I don't understand. So if my city became a constant victim of terrorism, do you think I'd find terrorism LESS reprehensible??
― Mordy, Monday, 3 May 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)
i think aimless means that third world citizens have no moral compass? bit of an extreme view but
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Monday, 3 May 2010 20:02 (fifteen years ago)
So he was a left-winger that turned into a right-winger?
No.
Anyway, the van was parked outside the bldg where I worked in showbiz advertising for 4 soul-destroying years.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
So that's what happened to your soul.
― Grisly Addams (WmC), Monday, 3 May 2010 20:49 (fifteen years ago)
Is that why you're being so cryptic on this thread?
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, 3 May 2010 20:49 (fifteen years ago)
no, I just don't want to spend the time
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 May 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
someone set up us
― am0n, Monday, 3 May 2010 21:48 (fifteen years ago)
i think aimless means that third world citizens have no moral compass?
What else could I have meant?
Let's see. Perhaps I meant this: foreign policy may be defined as the means a nation chooses to employ in seeking to to align foreign nations with their own interests. This sounds all well and good until you realize that force, threats of force, lies, bribery and corruption fall well within that definition of foreign policy, and that powerful nations very often choose to employ these means to encompass their aims.
Third world citizens have legitimate rights and interests that are quite often swept aside before this onslaught of applied power. The powerful are served and served well by this system, while the poor and powerless are served very ill by this state of affairs. And they do not have the power to redress this situation.
As has been pointed out by some political thinkers, waiting around for the powerful to see the error of their ways, as you are stripped, starved and beaten to serve their interests, is not a likely path to redress. Terrorism, for all its brutality, is no more brutal than what we do, or our surrogates do on our behalf, in third world nations on a regular basis.
This sad fact does not excuse brutality, but if using violence and brutality as political tools means one has no moral compass, then it isn't just third world people who share that distinction. The fact that US citizens are able to reap the benefits of this policy while remaining well insulated from the day-to-day violence of it, makes it very easy to overlook our culpability and to condemn others from an imagined moral high ground we do not occupy.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)
Maybe I meant something like that, y' think?
― Aimless, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 01:45 (fifteen years ago)
you are blowing our minds
― jabba hands, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:02 (fifteen years ago)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, May 3, 2010 7:22 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark
(six morbz posts over the course of nine hours)
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Monday, May 3, 2010 4:49 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, May 3, 2010 5:27 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
― №, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:03 (fifteen years ago)
xpost
I'm just feeling irritable at being slobbered on by a puppy.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:05 (fifteen years ago)
№: one-liner threads don't take much time, asshole.
Aimless otm
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:10 (fifteen years ago)
btw the chief Person of Interest in this case is a Pakistani, NPR reports.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:11 (fifteen years ago)
Bomb squad officers also discovered a two-by-two-by-four-foot metal box — described as a “gun locker” — in the S.U.V. that was taken to the Police Department’s firing range at Rodman’s Neck in the Bronx to be destroyed, Mr. Kelly said. It was not immediately known what, if anything, was inside it.
is this ô_o to anyone else?
― №, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:12 (fifteen years ago)
It looks weird enough, but when all you know is what some news writer tossed out there, you have to realize that none of us know shite about what's really going on.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:23 (fifteen years ago)
tru. it just seemed like that would have to mean "we're destroying this locker w'o finding out what's in it" or "we're destroying this bc we don't want to say what's in it"
― №, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)
Could have sworn I read something somewhere that the lock was blown off but the box not destroyed, but not what was in the box. Regardless, I doubt they would just blow something up without x-raying it and whatnot first.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 03:10 (fifteen years ago)
so how did dennis perrin know the person of interest was pakistani before anyone else??
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 03:15 (fifteen years ago)
http://webspace.webring.com/people/kl/liesha_ann/images/pics/pic_inspectpath.jpg
wait
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 May 2010 03:15 (fifteen years ago)
did VIACOM turn morbs into Morbs??????
I didn't work for Viacom.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 03:35 (fifteen years ago)
NBC's Williams reported the man's name was on an e-mail that was sent to the seller of the car last month
wow what a retard
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 May 2010 04:32 (fifteen years ago)
This guy is definitely a nitwit. Terrorism; harder than it looks.
― Super Cub, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 05:03 (fifteen years ago)
blowing up a box without looking inside it? didnt this weeks episode of the simpsons teach us anything?
― mayor jingleberries, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 05:14 (fifteen years ago)
I think terrorism and other acts of violence are reprehensible and inexcusable no matter who does it and whether it's "justified" by the victim's government's foreign policy
I apprec the implication that I support mass murder, Mordy, but could you hold the sanctimony and just give me extra mustard? thx
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 11:15 (fifteen years ago)
Real truth here: wouldn't it just be a lot easier and more effective for a would-be terrorist to toss a grenade into a random crowded McDonald's? Why always these elaborate flaming underwear and car schemes?
Hope I'm not giving anything away to these anti-geniuses.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 14:08 (fifteen years ago)
yeah really - the specter of "terrorism" seems so much more red-herring like when all you see is some half-assed over-complicated thing like this every once in a while. I honestly can't believe that any remotely competent asshole hasn't figured out how to seriously wreck things in a much simpler and more effective way.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)
I think that means that various means of deterrence that are already present are more or less working. I'm not sure what would be the greatest deterrent to tossing a grenade into Bubba Gump or whatever revolting chain restaurant on 42nd St, except I guess that in post-9/11 NYC, you're likely to get tackled by eleventy-hundred bystanders before you can run a block.
― wasting time and money trying to change the weather (Laurel), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)
Car bombs are generally considerably more effective and destructive than lobbing grenades, hence their longterm popularity with every sort of terrorist group in every type of society you can imagine
― Football's Flocking Home (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)
Wasn't there an official statement that even if the car bomb HAD detonated, it would have killed some bystanders and broken some windows/glass building facades but it wouldn't have collapsed anything or caused major structural damage? That seems like about the same amount of damage a smaller explosive in a contained space would cause.
― wasting time and money trying to change the weather (Laurel), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)
Seems like the primary advantage of the car bomb is being able to leave it somewhere and walk away from it without risking immediate suspicion, possibly detection.
― wasting time and money trying to change the weather (Laurel), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)
this guy was clearly an idiot, but you can pack a lot of explosives into a car/truck, even doing structural damage.
a grenade in a macdonalds -- you might get lucky, you might not.
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)
to clarify: this guy doesn't seem to have had much in the way of explosives. just stuff that makes flames and whatnot.
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)
Wonder how the Irish Car Bombs are going down these days
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u276/AxMan150/31707show.jpg
― Football's Flocking Home (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:26 (fifteen years ago)
Irish Shooter!
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)
i think this is taking PR stunts a bit too far, even for Chris Morris
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:29 (fifteen years ago)
Americans, of all people, should know about this: Oklahoma anyone??!?!?
― Football's Flocking Home (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:29 (fifteen years ago)
sounds like some quality police work's been done here imho
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, good job police.
x-post The point of terrorism is not necessarily to kill, but to inflict emotional damage as well. The snipers in DC killed 10 random people over the course of three weeks, and people were freaked. If public places were randomly targeted just about anywhere, whether or not anyone is injured or killed, people would be freaked out then, too. Random unpredictable violence is scary. Repeatedly foiled elaborate plans less so, which is why we laugh at roadrunner/coyote cartoons.
Anyway, I'm happy nothing bad happened, but baffled why these guys aim so high.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:22 (fifteen years ago)
x-post The point of terrorism is not necessarily to kill, but to inflict emotional damage as well.
might you call it "terror?"
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)
baffled why these guys aim so high.
dudes have a rep to uphold. perfectly understandable. if they went from 9/11 to lone guys shooting people it would look like they're losing (which imho they are, btw). the fact that all the most recent schemes have bordered on the pathetic just goes to show how remarkably lucky they were (and how remarkably stupid the US was) on 9/11.
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)
if they went from 9/11 to lone guys shooting people it would look like they're losing
Yes. And I'm sure in their promotional material, shooting some old lady in the head with a sniper shot wouldn't look anything like as exciting as blowing something sky high, they have to sell sell sell this Jihad after all
― Football's Flocking Home (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:36 (fifteen years ago)
So does the military in fairness
― scrappy dyaoo (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:46 (fifteen years ago)
I'd say any non-state group declaring themselves the enemy of the last armed-to-the-teeth superpower is bound to be eternally "losing" by any conventional measure. If these bozos every managed to kill 50,000 Americans instead of 3000, the resultant US bombing and/or invading would make 2001-10 look pacifistic.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:54 (fifteen years ago)
thx Capt. Obvious
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004087-503544.html
choice quote: "Did they Mirandize him? I know he's an American citizen but still,"
― itchy rainbolt (clotpoll), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:06 (fifteen years ago)
Shakey stfu
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:08 (fifteen years ago)
*improvises explosive device*
― velko, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:10 (fifteen years ago)
It'll be interesting what narative this takes: international terror conspiracy or disturbed individual. Apparently guy's house was foreclosed.
― Super Cub, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:11 (fifteen years ago)
I'm guessin a little from column A and a little from column B but who knows
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:13 (fifteen years ago)
i improvised an explosion in my toilet this morning, if you know what I mean
http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/y/Q/athfcarl.jpg
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:15 (fifteen years ago)
Morbz, I think that if you posted something snarky about the American military sending predator drones after people plotting to kill Americans, and someone responded with, "I can't see why America would be angry with X," or whatever, you'd be annoyed. But the moment someone tries to blow up a bomb in Times Square you're reposting twitters about how Pakistan has every reason to be peeved with the United States (Or being snarky about how no *real* New Yorker goes to Times Square anyway). It's just bullshit. It's bullshit from either side and that should be the response, not trying to understand how we've ANGERED these people. Yes, there are consequences for foreign policy actions, and violence begets violence, but you don't somehow have magical moral authority because you're willing to condemn American actions and elide the responsibility of other foreign State bodies. I mentioned this was a pretty obvious opinion upthread, but I'll repeat it here: Killing anyone is pretty shitty, killing innocent civilians is double-shitty, no matter whose finger is on the trigger.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:28 (fifteen years ago)
I don't care for any states killing anybody, honest.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:29 (fifteen years ago)
(And btw: I go to Times Square at least once a month to see a flick on 8th, and I transfer at the 42nd station between the 1 and the R almost everyday on my way to classes. So fuck off.)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:29 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, I find myself there sometimes too. I use hyperbole you know, don't get all literalist.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:31 (fifteen years ago)
Brenda Thurman said Tuesday that the man she knew was quiet and claimed to work on Wall Street."He would wear all black and jog at night. He said he didn't like the sunlight," Thurman said.
"He would wear all black and jog at night. He said he didn't like the sunlight," Thurman said.
― M. Loh, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)
Tracer, haha.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)
triboro rfk bridge is closed after driver abandons u-haul truck on it
― mookieproof, Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/new-york-bridge-shut-down-after-driver-abandons-u-haul/
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:58 (fifteen years ago)
sheesh
― World B. FAP (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:04 (fifteen years ago)
So every car that breaks down now is gonna be a bomb scare? geesh. Good luck NYC.
― Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:25 (fifteen years ago)
apparently we are safe
i hope no one was inadvertently mirandized
― mookieproof, Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:28 (fifteen years ago)
On Oct. 20, 2008, Mr. Shahzad reported his marriage to a woman he identified as Huma Asif Mian, a U.S. citizen. He became naturalized as a U.S. citizen on April 17, 2009.
On her social networking page, his wife listed her languages as English, Pashto, Urdu and French, her religion as Muslim and her political views as "nonpolitical," according to AP. Her favorite television shows were "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "Friends."
― is it really that hard to spot all these fake british dudes? (velko), Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:28 (fifteen years ago)
Wait, again?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:32 (fifteen years ago)
CNN:
New York's Times Square evacuated.
wtf, CNN.com
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)
not trying to understand how we've ANGERED these people
And nearly a decade later, the media -- or any politician really -- still hasn't had the balls to pose this all-important question. Is it because the answers would be too unpopular? Or are we really just content to being ignorant towards the causes?
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
a white cooler? this sounds like bullshit
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)
that cooler comes from a good middle-class family
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Friday, 7 May 2010 18:04 (fifteen years ago)
Working on the causes would mean redefining, or at least clarifying, what "American interests" are. In a corporation-controlled democracy, this direction is not going to work for the corporate interest, therefore it is untouchable.
― Aimless, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:05 (fifteen years ago)
Or maybe they're just angry guys and there's not much you can do about that.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
Your theory is shallow enough to be officially adopted by Fox News.
― Aimless, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)
I think for most of us -- ie: Americans alienated from the political decisions and processes of our Capitalist Democracy -- it's not of huge use to discuss what things we could be doing differently. I don't even know our policy in Pakistan (and I'm a pretty educated guy) let alone have any say in how to change it. I protested the Iraq war years ago, and that did a lot of good. The truth is that we can acknowledge that there are things the United States does to make itself a ripe target, and still criticize people for targeting civilians who are pretty alienated and not influential in American decisions. There's this belief that Americans are lazy and they just need to wake up to fix everything. But the truth is that this is how Capitalism is designed to work.
― Mordy, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
(Which isn't to say we have NO power in decisions, but that trying to blow up Times Square is 100% the wrong tact to take if you're trying to change American foreign policy. It's the perfect tact to take tho if you're angry and thoughtless and frustrated and can't figure out a better way to enact the performance of your needs.)
― Mordy, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
it's the perfect tack to take if you want the US military to bomb/invade some random country in retaliation
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)
Information has a monetary value to the holder of it, to the degree it is closely held. Therefore, information is too valuable to be given away to the general public. This, of course, is precisely contrary to the theory of democracy.
― Aimless, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:46 (fifteen years ago)
Thing is, the question isn't even allowed to be on the table, and hasn't been from day one.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)
It's perfected hypocrisy to deliver the line "They hate us for our freedoms," and then deny any further questioning into the matter at hand.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
How do you figure? There are plenty of people asking these questions and have been since I was old enough to read about politics. When I was 14 Amy Goodman was talking about this shit ALL THE TIME on Democracy Now! (on a public radio station - Pacifica Radio, no less), and now that the internet has become the prime location of political news and discourse, it's all over the place. Glenn Greenwald, ILX, Progressive Blogs, etc. Not to mention the Academic discourses I've been involved with for the past four years.
― Mordy, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
it's kinda beside the point since muslim terrorists /= rational actors in this case. Like, Bin Laden may have gripes with the US, but they're almost entirely self-serving and kinda insane
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
Noam Chomsky, Seymour Hersh, Robert Fisk...
(xposts)
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)
or take Sayed Qut'b (essentially the father of modern radical Islam) - dude's complaints about the West really DO boil down, at least in some ways, to "they hate our freedoms"...
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)
like, that's the intellectual tradition these guys are coming from, and it's all well and good to be knowledgeable about it, but let's not pretend that US foreign policy is really the sole, root cause here. Because it isn't.
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)
Naomi Klein, who is apparently so alienated that she wrote a best-selling book and had a HUGE Harpers article about a year ago. These POVs have strong cultural currency.
― Mordy, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)
personally I think Fisk has perhaps the best grasp of the roots of radical Islamic terrorism, and he is very careful and intellectually nimble about properly identifying and separating the legitimate causes and complaints from the psychopathic urges for wanton destruction
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)
and of course Fisk traces a lot of the current conflicts back to that perennial favorite, British/European colonialism
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:13 (fifteen years ago)
I will have to look into Fisk.
Still, I don't think these people have as much of an influence on the mainstream political discourse in America as they should.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/
the only Western journalist to have interviewed Bin Laden face-to-face, and on multiple occasions
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:16 (fifteen years ago)
re:shakey
Bin Laden has some weird political goals, like the return of the Caliphate, but given the few levers of power that were available for him to pull, he has been pretty shrewd in his approach. His propaganda has consistently played better than ours in a wide swath of the world. I agree, he's lost consistently on several levels, mostly having to do with technology, resources and applied force, but if he didn't go in expecting to lose in those areas, he'd have been delusive enough at the start to be dead today.
My verdict: he's not not insane, unless challenging the power of the US and NATO, when you are not in command of the Warsaw Pact is defined as insane.
― Aimless, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:20 (fifteen years ago)
update
Times Square has been re-opened after the police took away a grayish canvas bag of the kind used to hold lunches. The police said it contained bottled water and books.
― party time! (Z S), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:21 (fifteen years ago)
What about Peter Bergen?
Anyway, there's the theory that Bin Laden intentionally wanted to draw the US into an aimless (or maybe victory free) regional conflict and miscalculated, which seems like a pretty big miscalculation, if so. Then again, it's still unclear if the extent of 9/11 was by design or by accident, right? In any case, as far as any goals are concerned, I assume terrorism would be a lot more successful as a means of ousting an occupier than in altering the foreign policy of a country several thousand miles away. Which is all to say I have no idea what a bombing in Times Square would achieve, even symbolically, when something easier to pull off could probably send a political message a lot more clearly and easily.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
Bombs in Times Square tie up US resources far, far beyond the resources needed to plant them. Financially speaking, it is the equivalent of keeping several battalions of your enemy pinned down to their position by deploying one sniper.
― Aimless, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)
I don't think these actors are in any place to try and exhaust US resources, unless they know something I don't. The US army is super developed beyond any other country in the world (not to mention most fully trained from the last bunch of years participating in war). Pinning down several battalions in Times Square isn't going to do anything to further the agenda of Pakistan.
― Mordy, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago)
what if the agenda of Pakistan involves fucking up Manhattan traffic
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:36 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, really. You know what ties us up? Invading countries, not security in Times Square. And even, I don't feel, personally, terribly tied up in Afghanistan. It'd take something several times 9/11 to bring back the draft and truly, truly change the way we do business.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:44 (fifteen years ago)
I think I'm going to start leaving McDonald's value meals lying around to see how often I can get SWAT to come deal with a combination of littering and absent-mindedness.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)
That's how business is done in Israel. Last time I was there i watched them detonate a box of clothing in the middle of Meah Sharim. Happens everyday.
― Mordy, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:49 (fifteen years ago)
Was it American Apparel? Because that would at least be funny.
― I guess for copraphiles this is gonna be awesome (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:50 (fifteen years ago)
I think it was schmattas.
― Mordy, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:51 (fifteen years ago)
right sorry, "one of the few" I should've said
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:58 (fifteen years ago)
and it don't stop
NYPD evacuates parts of midtown, Times Square after reports of suspicious package being found
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:06 (fifteen years ago)
Just heard on the 10o'clock news. Can't find anyone covering it online tho.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:06 (fifteen years ago)
"Determined to be garbage," much like these bulletins
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)
― I guess for copraphiles this is gonna be awesome (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, May 7, 2010 2:50 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark
shards of lamé spandex and thongs flung everywhere, what a mess.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:52 (fifteen years ago)
a suspicious package was found outside my local american apparel a few years ago. they actually detonated it, i lolled
― Guns, Computer, The Internet (harbl), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:54 (fifteen years ago)
They weren't targeting American Apparel, they were targeting the apparel of America.
― hills like white people (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:14 (fifteen years ago)
suspicious package, close to detonating:
http://cache.gawker.com/news/dov_again.jpg
― NARTH Gaydar (joygoat), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)
ARGH MY EYES
― Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 05:39 (fifteen years ago)