Heathers

not more than once, anyway

Michael Lehmann, Daniel Waters, Winona Ryder, Christian Slater. They all went to shit.

Without "Heathers," one could argue that there would be no "Jawbreaker," no "Mean Girls" and certainly no "Juno."

Why do people continue to write sentences like this? Do they actually believe them?

LICK. IT. UP.

There he wrote, directed and starred in a local sketch comedy series called "Beyond Our Control" with Larry Karaszewski -- one half of the team (with Scott Alexander) that wrote "Ed Wood," "The People vs. Larry Flynt" and "Man on the Moon."

they dont mention he also wrote problem child, problem child 2, problem child 3, and episodes of the problem child tv series

problem child tv series

?!?!

Was that horrible red headed kid in that too?

So there might have been a Mean Girls, but there *certainly* wouldn't have been a Juno.

Juno isn't as good as people said it was.

fuck me with a chainsaw.

fuck me gently with a chainsaw.

real life sucks losers dry, if you want to fuck with the eagles better learn how to fly.

i was obsessed with this for a year, saw it too many times to count. don't know if I could watch it now. it's nice to know that you can write one seminal movie and live comfortably in orson welles' home though, without doing anything good again!

Everyone in Hollywood seems to live in Orson Welles old home.

Problem Child >>>>>> The People vs. Larry Flynt

ESKIMO

I love my dead gay son.

Swash Dogs and Diet Coke Heads: the 2008 rolling Guardian zing thread

this was 12-year-old me's favorite movie

swatch dogs, i thought?

It's a pun for the use of the thread, just showing that Heathers has been the source of naming for at least one classic ILM thread

oop, got it.

i love the whole chainsaw line: "fuck me gently with a chainsaw, do i look like mother teresa?"

Without "Heathers," one could argue that there would be no "Jawbreaker," no "Mean Girls" and certainly no "Juno."

"nothing is any good unless it inspired a bunch of lame imitations."

Heathers! ;-)

Hahah

Christian Slater was never hotter.

I was cursed with having two high school friends who did the Winona Ryder-Winona's dad routine ("You two!") every chance they got.

Sara R-C and I didn't know you in high school!

Movie doesn't hold up

Sara R-C and I didn't know you in high school!

I always wondered why you guys loved croquet so much.

Can anybody tell me why I smoke these damn things?

Because you're an idiot.

Oh right...

http://z.about.com/d/top40/1/5/5/A/yourbeautifuljb.jpg

Kim Walker, the actress who play Heather Chandler and said "Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast?" actually died of a brain tumor!

o_O

O_o

"heathers" i think holds up pretty well. the way it's filmed is interesting - it has this weird, artificial, sort of semi-nightmarish feel to it that works a lot better for me than the candy-colored aura of most of those other teen movies.

I don't really like my friends, they're like people I work with and our job is being popular and shit.

Oddly IRL my friend J was the Veronica in our school and that's kind of what she says now about the clique girls.

The film holds up amazingly well.

Sort of how I felt circa 1996.

Heathers.

Lick. It. Up.

“I bought the house because I wanted to get that ‘Citizen Kane’ mojo,” says Waters. “Instead I’m getting the end of [Welles’] career, the hanging out with Henry Jaglom, doing wine commercials and magic tricks part of his life.

anybody who can deliver an off-hand dis of Henry Jaglom in an interview is cool w/me

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513SZG6C13L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

i really don't think I could watch this movie now, not because the movie isn't good, but because I just feel too old for it.

Though, strangely, Waters seems confused about the fact that the Orson Wells wine commercial outtakes clip is the single most satisfying piece of entertainment in the history of the filmic medium.

...inspired by that same French excellence...

(x-post)

you're such a pillowcase.

fuck i loves this film.

ich luge bullets! aw.

"Whether or not to kill yourself is one of the most important decisions a teenager can make."

"Dear Diary: I want to kill, and you have to believe that it's for more than just selfish reasons!"

God, this movie's heart is black. Total classic.

"all they had to offer the school was another year of date rapes and aids jokes".

truly black.

i remember some lame rolling stone movie list where they gushed that this movie was like "blue velvet for teenagers." which is crap because heathers is darker than blue velvet.

I don't really like my friends, they're like people I work with and our job is being popular and shit.

The response to this is the best part, with Slater deadpanning in that weird Nicholson impersonation, "I don't really like your friends, either."

Ok so... hmm. Instead of dancing in the dark walking through the park and reminiscing, I just watched the movie. A few things jump out at me.

First and foremost, the abusive sexual politics of the Slater and Ryder relationship. The movie means to be as much a parable about abusive men as anything else -- arguably moreso -- but it came out when I was 14, and that went right over my head. Watching it now, the first time he grabs her and forces a kiss on her to try to end an argument (and he does it several times), I got a cold chill. Holy shit, this guy is way scarier than I remembered. Scarier than the date-rape cow-tipping jocks, because at least they're stupid, and a smart girl like Winona can easily avoid them. But what to do with the sharp and silver-of-tongue who turn out to be icy cold? It's not like that's just a high school-specific problem. And sure there are Lifetime movies about it, but... no.

The other thing I didn't remember is that there's some lazy writing in places, and you can feel the script straining at the seams when someone goes into a speech that amounts to "this is the moral of this scene." And a lot of jokes could be delivered more dryly than they are and be better for it. But for every one of those there's something totally perfect, like the class overachiever remembering one of the dearly departed Heathers: "We used to go out. She said I was boring. But now I realize I really wasn't boring. It's just that she was dissatisfied with her life." Ah, comfort.

idk if its mentioned above anywhere but the commentary on the dvd is a really interesting conversation! one of my fav commentaries...awz details abt alternate ending riffing on dr. strangelove w/ martha dumptruck standing up from the wheelchair...what i wouldnt give to see that

On a kind of a primal-soup level of the screenplay, the movie does something that no screenwriting class would ever advise: it gives the audience no proxy. We sympathize with Veronica only because she's the only conscience in the movie, and without her the movie wouldn't just be a black comedy, it'd be fucking Sartre. But she's not awfully sympathetic, and she's miles from noble. On a strictly class-based reading of her character, she's totally unrelatable, because she's every ounce as rich as the other Heathers, which is confusing if you're looking for Frank Capra morals in the story. Why doesn't she just act like a bitch like the other rich girls? What exactly is her damage?

And even on a plot level she's not easy to cheer for. She's complicit with the Heathers, then with JD, but oh she feels guilty. How grand. She doesn't take any action at all, really, right up to the point where her own life is in danger. On the plus side, that is pretty much the moral compass that teenagers have, so that much is realistic. On the minus side (again, arguing from the traditional screenplay standard)... if self-preservation is the noblest thing that is to be expected of us, the implications of that are blacker than I really care to ponder.

that is pretty much the moral compass that teenagers people have

"Whether or not to kill yourself is one of the most important decisions a teenager can make."

the lol of sisyphus

Still my favorite movie about high school, tho that might have something to do with the act that I first saw it on video the my freshman year.

http://www.mamapop.com/mamapop/2009/06/heathers-the-sequel.html#more

Saw this 17 years ago -- someone in this film had a set of drawers where the handles were punctuation marks, do I remember correctly? I want those!

whaaa?

Um, maybe I used the wrong word for the piece of furniture, something like this:

http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/59396_PE165277_S3.jpg

-- with black semicolon, exclamation mark etc for handles. Was on screen for a short time, yet it is what I now remember best. Unless I dreamt it of course.

I know, I'll make some myself! :D

oh sorry that was an xpost about the "sequel"

"Christian has agreed to come back as a kind of Obi-Wan character."

eww

i had big expectations for 'sex and death 101' by daniel waters and it was fukkin terrible

I had low expectations for 'sex and death 101' and they were just slightly exceeded.

Weird things I never knew before just now:

Kim Walker (Heather Chandler) died irl of a brain tumor in 2001.

Jeremy Applegate (the "We used to go out. She said I was boring." guy) shot himself in 2000.

That is some dark motherfuckin' info. Thanks.

Real life sucks losers dry. If you wanna fuck with the eagles, you have to learn to fly.

Jeremy Applegate's other major line in Heathers: "Dear Lord, please make sure this never happens to me because I don't think I could handle suicide."

Holy shit.

I guess he stepped up.

lol dude never change

lol i never really noticed the line "i gotten everyone to sign this petition, even the ones who think big fun are tuneless eurofags"

hah is this on tv right now? someone on my facebook updated with a heathers thing, too!

I have forgotten a lot about how awesome this movie is

kinda doubt it could get made today

this movie was so disappointing due
to the extent to
which the narrative hinges on whether
or not
a mixture of orange juice and milk will make u vom and also how is making some girl (who is sick) puke a crazy payback and also christian slater is not hot in it i dont care what u say. i wanted to like it bc i feel like i am invested
heavily in "subversive teen movies" but
no

eskimo

"and the lion and I would die as one."

this movie was great, at least the first part, the last one hour or so is so inexplicably horrible, like some terrible indian movie shit

But the narrative doesn't hinge on a mixture of orange juice and milk at all. It hinges on a mixture of milk, orange juice, and hull cleaner.

also she wasn't sick, she was hungover

i do not think this was winonas initial plan "melissa"

you're still kind of using "narrative" incorrectly

Well, yes, the entire point is that it's Christian Slater's plan and he's drawing her into it, without her knowing at first. x-post

also why am I "melissa"

"heathers" i think holds up pretty well. the way it's filmed is interesting - it has this weird, artificial, sort of semi-nightmarish feel to it that works a lot better for me than the candy-colored aura of most of those other teen movies.

― J.D., Thursday, April 3, 2008 6:00 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

the screenwriter originally wanted kubrick to direct it, and it's main visual inspiration was "full metal jacket."

feel like this is not so much a movie as a series of screen shots made to be used in tumblr posts by 16yr old girls who like crystal castles

I feel pretty safe in thinking that no one connected with this movie was thinking about Tumblr or Crystal Castles, seeing as it's from 1989 and all

i finally saw this last year and didnt dig it that much - probably just waited too long though, probably would've been my fav movie in the world when i was 17-19

^^^ basically it in a nutshell IMO; I saw it when I was 17 and thought it was hilarious

Every once in awhile, someone will go "I LOVE MY DEAD GAY SON!" in a bar or something and I just think, really? We're in our mid-30s.

I think the thing I like the most about that movie is how it is fundamentally about the rejection of snark; the way that line is delivered and the jokes JD and Veronica are giggling about is massively undercut by the dude's little sister whipping her head around and staring at them with that "WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING ABOUT MY BROTHER'S DEATH" look on her face and how it slammed home to Veronica exactly what it was they had been doing was just fantastic.

idk that sounds crazy lame

well it is true that you are a young jaded snark machine, perhaps your innate distance from everything is making you underrate this movie

(on a more serious note, the movie is very much an artifact of its times; the further removed you are from them, the less sense/relatable it is)

i feel like the worst thing about this movie is that it makes this fantasy surrealo high school experience and then tries to *puncture through* to reality but the stupid diorama of teenage experience doesnt really work as a set of equivalents and also the outfits are totally gross

i think the clothes are ace in this movie. shannen doherty and winona look particularly stylish.

It kind of abandons reality in the first 10 minutes of the movie and never really looks back! Veronica is basically in her own surreal world for practically the entire film and only surfaces a couple of times:

- when playing croquet with Betty
- the aforementioned funeral scene

Everything else is varying degrees of unrealistic.

plax
my bro
if you were a 16yo girl
right
now
you wd probably listen to Crystal Castles and love this film

i mean, come on:

http://www.brightestyoungthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/heathers.jpg

if you were a 16yo girl
right
in 1989
you wd probably wear those clothes too

but 4srs I am interested in hearing what subversive teen movies you do enjoy.

(on a more serious note, the movie is very much an artifact of its times; the further removed you are from them, the less sense/relatable it is)

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, January 7, 2011 4:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

part of the reason i knew i wouldve loved this in my late teens is that was the point in my life when senseless 80s nostalgia was a huge 'thing' for me and my friends, so i prob wouldve been delighted by its portrait of a strange and distant era

um, i think young girls are wearing stuff that's not a million miles away from that right now. 80s revival, much?

this was my favorite movie when i was 12 and also i love crystal castles, where does that put me?

depends; plz link yr Tumblr

also this movie is sortof homophobic

i think because of this movie i developed a...slanted view of what HS would actually be like when i finally got there

homophobia owns

high school is sort of homophobic!

"sort of"

idk there's a diff b/w representing homophobia as an element of HS as traumatic hellhole and kindof and using it to generate these lolfag punchlines

i saw this movie and was like "if u still expect me to lie abt how butt ugly yr "fierce" fashion choices are after this lady"

i think the joke was that the two football players were the butchest meathead homophobes ever and the idea that they'd be considered icons for tolerance and understanding in their deaths was ridiculous.

you were watching it with shannen doherty?

the punchlines, particularly for a 1989 film, are little more complicated than "lolfag"

I mean, in today's world the first assumption that gets made when ppl get all vehemently anti-gay is that they themselves are self-hating closet cases (see: the US Republican party); this movie is taking that same sentiment about 10 years before it really was a mainstream comment to make and using it for dramatic irony AND to highlight both the hypocrisy of the family's attitude about homosexuality AND the utter callousness of JD's view on humanity in general. Plotwise, it's the slamming together of all of these disparate threads of cruelty that snaps Veronica out of JD's spell and puts her on the path to stopping JD.

I don't think it should win any sensitivity awards or be held up as a shining example of how homosexuality is addressed in filmmaking but I don't think the target of the attack was gay people; if you want to watch a lot of uncomfortable "lol he's so gay" humor, watch "Revenge of the Nerds" sometime.

tbh this film is filled with some pretty great juxtapositions

or 'police academy' - so many 80s films are a grim wasteland of lolfag jokes

idk i just feel like this is a okayish but eh movie that got dumped irretrievably into the shitpile of "retro" pop culture touchstones for entry level alt dbs along w/ like bongwater and molly fn ringwald and the whole lot should be deposited @ the nearest urban outfitters and hermetically sealed shut

wonder if this is a better film abt the human condition than sátántangó

the entire point is that it's Christian Slater's plan and he's drawing her into it

The football player killing was definitely a plan, but when it started, the Drano was just a suggestion, and when she picked up the wrong cup, he didn't stop her. So it wasn't really planned so much as it was just workaday sociopathic behavior.

Also, I love this movie, and I'm not averse to Crystal Castles, either, and I don't think either thing is silly and juvenile. The movie is messy, sure, and I wish it was a little bit tighter, but it's hardly beneath me.

plax did u hate this movie bc all the teal & orange in it

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O23cNNQsB88/Snb4S0RH8II/AAAAAAAAEJk/dS9_P0bj9sc/s400/Heathers-big-fun_l.jpg

i feel like the worst thing about this movie is that it makes this fantasy surrealo high school experience and then tries to *puncture through* to reality but the stupid diorama of teenage experience doesnt really work as a set of equivalents

I don't think the movie is really about high school at all, which is what makes it seem so surrealo. It's about abusive relationships.

the shitpile of "retro" pop culture touchstones for entry level alt dbs along w/ like bongwater and molly fn ringwald

wait, the band? idgi

plax was trolling

plax was trolling

― peacocks, Friday, January 7, 2011 5:15 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark

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I remember watching this when I was 16 with my sister who is a year younger, and her thinking it was disturbing and not funny while I thought it was hilarious, and thinking this was an indicator of a fundamental difference between our personalities.

I dunno if I'd like it now. It seems to have a sort of nihilism that appeals to kids who like Donnie Darko or whatever.

well also "Donnie Darko" is one of the dumbest, most vacuous movies ever made

it's also pretentious but it has cool 80s music and pretty teens with problems which is why kids like it

Donnie Darko is everything that plax was saying about Heathers, and worse. It's a completely pointless movie.

heathers is a lot better/easier to relate to

To quote myself: "It's about abusive relationships." Possibly the central metaphor in the movie is of Veronica burning herself with the car cigarette lighter, and JD casually lighting his cigarette off of her hand.

idk at least donnie darko isnt super ugly looking and has maggie gylenhaal in it and time travel

isnt super ugly looking ... maggie gylenhaal

hmm

You hush up.

like i feel like the bald-facedness of its deus ex-machina is so kindof insultingly awesome that u cant help but admire it

Maggie Gyllenhaal looks like Miss Piggy

xp Well, nobody demands that your tastes make logical sense.

Apparently, nobody demanded that Donnie Darko make sense, either.

But... um... http://appleofdoubt.com/Images/ouroboros.jpg

like i feel like the bald-facedness of its deus ex-machina is so kindof insultingly awesome that u cant help but admire it

Read that as 'douche ex-machina'

To quote myself: "It's about abusive relationships." Possibly the central metaphor in the movie is of Veronica burning herself with the car cigarette lighter, and JD casually lighting his cigarette off of her hand.

― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Friday, January 7, 2011 10:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yeah, and it's kinda subtle at first. like "me and you against the world, babe" becomes "me against the world, and you'll do my dirty work or else".

Plax how old u, out of curiosity? Cuz it seems like you really don't get this film, and for reasons of "had to be there" mayb I dunno.

Also fuck u all I thought DD was a nice film.

trayce i will be 24 in april

Oh man.. very late to the thread but I love Heathers... its such a classic and was probably the first black comedy I ever saw, and still one of the best.

BIG
FUN

tuneless eurofags

t/s BIG FUN v. FUN FUN

I saw this when I was 16 with a friend who quoted incessantly and felt the need to give me some context. Srsly I remember none of it bcz I was still rly Mormon and nervous about committing the sin of watching an "R" rated film for the first time, that was all that was on my mind. But I liked that it had penmanship superpowers as a plot point?

it seems like you really don't get this film, and for reasons of "had to be there" mayb I dunno.

Disagreeing on this. The movie is not about bitchy high school girls in the 80's. There's a real, valid anger in the screenwriting here, and it's about something that has fuck-all to do with hairstyles and clothes, and generation gaps don't matter much. It's just as much a "you get it or you don't" kind of movie now as it was when it came out.

Ebert gave it two stars, and ended his review with, "Maybe it's true that teenagers will understand it best. Maybe it's even true that they deserve to." (Ouch!) He was smart enough to know that it would always be seen first as a movie about teenagers, and maybe even a specific generation of teenagers. That's certainly how the movie was marketed. But he wasn't smart enough (or awake enough on the day they screened it for him -- let's face it, his job ain't easy) to see what's really going on in this movie.

yeah complaining about the lol80s design aesthetic of hair/clothes seems kind of...beside the point with this movie

i know a guy with a tat of the BIG FUN logo (he said he got it after we'd talked about the movie!)

Of course there's the level on which even high school isn't about high school. Vonnegut: “High School is closer to the core of the American experience than anything else I can think of." And that's true, and who doesn't still occasionally have dreams about being in high school? The "It Gets Better" campaign, noble as it is, should be renamed "It Gets Easier." Because IT does not get better. YOU get better.

But that's kind of simple and obvious, and I think that's only the easy takeaway from this movie. I think it's got a lot more going on than just the Vonnegut quote, which is true enough, but arguably uninsightful.

The thing that changes it is JD.

Cool movie that all my female friends were always "OMG you've never seen Heathers???" and then i finally saw it and it was pretty good but def not bow-down-and-worship. The cynicism is probably the biggest selling point but i think by then i'd seen "Mean Girls" and "Clueless" and a zillion other films that had been inspired by "Heathers" so its impact was sorta diminished for me.

Neither "Mean Girls" nor "Clueless" include the line, "Ok... we did a murder... and that's a crime..."

Also the debate over whether or not to use the word "myriad" is priceless.

yah clueless is gr8 bc of how specific the satire is, this is totally like kenan says, some vague metaphor for, like, how hard lyfe is

"I'm sorry. I'm feeling a little bit superior tonight."

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/oh-my-god.jpg

Every once in awhile, someone will go "I LOVE MY DEAD GAY SON!" in a bar or something and I just think, really? We're in our mid-30s.

Nobody ever remembers that the next line is JD leaning over to Veronica and saying, "How do you think he'd react to a son that had a limp wrist witha pulse?"

Calling this movie homophobic is purely absurd. I can't even remember who said that upthread. But it's just SO not getting it.

Thanks Shannon

I found that while looking the film up on IMDB. Are people really clamoring for a real sequel? I saw Sex and Death 101 over the weekend and it kind of felt like one, with the Winona character a viable portrait of Veronica 20 years down the road, still damaged as ever.

watched this movie about a year ago and was so disappointed. i loved it hugely at the time of its release, saw it twice in the theater and several times subsequently on video. it "spoke to me," i guess. but i was distracted when rewatching by the the clunky photography & direction, the unconvincing performances, and most of all by the all-caps obviousness of everything - the jokes, the messages, the DARKNESS. might have been the wrong night and/or the wrong company (watched it with a friend who'd never seen and didn't enjoy it at all), but it felt like something best left in fond memory.

Going back over the thread, I have to say Kenan has consistently been OTM.

Sort of inspired by the viewing of SaD101, I unwrapped my copy of the Heathers deluxe DVD and rescreened it for the first time in like 8-9 years (had it on "deluxe" vhs, sold it at garage sale, got the DVD last week).

One thing I was really taken with this was the lack of pop music saturation. We get the two "Que sera"s (the use of the Sly Stone cover at the end is masterful), a snippet of "Teenage Suicide", and some song at the frat party, but that's it. Then there's regular score. Given the stacked soundtracks of related 80s stuff before (Ridgemont, the Hughes flicks), and then the 90s and beyond (to cite that LA Times quote--Hello Mean Girls, lick it up Juno) it's kind of refreshing.

i remember some lame rolling stone movie list where they gushed that this movie was like "blue velvet for teenagers." which is crap because heathers is darker than blue velvet.

i stand by this.

mean girls is cute and all but it's like a cherry icee whereas heathers is like four straight shots of tequila.

yeah, i dunno. isabella rosellini's performance alone seems considerably darker than anything in heathers. and blue velvet is kind of blue velvet for teenagers, you know? apples and other kinds of apples.

no, that's a lie. blue velvet is blue velvet for 20-somethings.

i guess it depends on whether you find murder/suicide sprees or abusive relationships (tho heathers kind of has that too) to be 'darker' subject matter. i pretty much take ebert's line on blue velvet, though.

this thread reminds me how depressing i find "this movie is for lame kids who like [innocuous thing]" kind of criticisms. talk about yr pointless posing.

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My college experience can be summed up with always going to movie nights where Blue Velvet would invariably be screened, and leaving halfway through to go home and watch my VHS copies of Spies Like Us and Top Secret for the fiftieth time.

my college experience can be summed up by trying to watch the wall on acid and getting bored

who are you people who don't love heathers? fuck you.

seriously

i blame not them but rather a society that tells its children that the answers can be found in the mtv video games

Heathers and Repo Man would be an Olympian double feature.

yeah. but heathers and mean girls!

Repo Man is so much better than Heathers!

That's not an argument that I am going to engage in, ever, anywhere.

Emilio Estevez in Repo Man is way way way hotter than Christian Slater in Heathers

i mean, space aliens, punks, and the secret agent theme en espanol vs. what exactly was good about Heathers, I forget?

They're both in my top 5 of the decade, easy.

i mean, are we supposed to sympathize with Veronica? think she's authentic and cool? I mean, she was friends with those bitchy girls. If she were really cool, she'd never have done that. Veronica was a total poser.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cQa_T_famDY/SygRqor7dWI/AAAAAAAAAow/Ug4Bfl_c5fU/s800/winone-ryder-heathers-monocle.jpg

x-posts

"Tina Fey, I invented you!!!!!"

i mean, i can understand people liking it because Winona was hot.

Sarah, you have not read this thread yet. I address your very question somewhere way up there, a year or two ago.

geez - what am i doing with my life - getting drunk and trolling the Heathers thread .... yay me!

At least your bullshit doesn't have a body count. :)

don't worry, it's diet.

[^ said of a soda stain]

...sexually perverse photography exhibits involving tennis rackets.

some people need different kinds of convincing than others.

i don't patronize bunny rabbits.

dude ... pictures of aliens. REAL FUCKING ALIENS!!!

i love my dead gay son.

John Wayne was a fag.

kind of toss-up there, tbh. repo man's my favorite movie, tho, so this isn't a fair fite. what's a good dbl feature for repo man? metalstorm?

whether to kill yourself or not is one of the most important decisions a teenager can make.

when teenagers complain that they want to be treated like human beings, it's usually because they are being treated like human being.

^ these both work better if you sub person/people for teenager

Them!

or Penelope Spheeris' Suburbia

class of 1984

Escape from New York

I love the bunny rabbit exchange.

Veronica: "All we want is to be treated like human beings, not to be experimented on like guinea pigs or patronized like bunny rabbits."
Veronica's Dad: "I don't patronize bunny rabbits!"

I love that it's a joke about how badly she structured her sentence.

Heathers would be a good double bill with the Cheerleader Murdering Mom movie

so great:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C9PT1ikCFQ0/Rf3PhFqpX_I/AAAAAAAAAAM/JC2YO5mJEZg/s320/Class_of_1984_WB15004.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHkcqpVtjvc&feature=related

serial mom? or the torn from the headlines one?

The VHS case says: The Positively True Adventures of the Alleged Texas Cheerleader Murdering Mom

starring Holly Hunter and Beau Bridges - it's actually pretty awesome

saw once upon a fuck of a long time ago, but can't now remember anything about it. was undoubtedly drunk. looks like the director also made fletch and the bad news bears, so he's okay in my book.

http://softskull.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Heathers-Catalog-218x300.jpg

Very softly spitballed something to Winona where she would be a Senate page to a Senator Heather Something played by Meryl Streep. Intrigue ensues...Don't remember much else, except that Christian returns in Obi Wan Kenobi ghost capacity and Winona ends up having to save then assassinate the President, which is a good thing. It was all very cwazy [sic], but the punchline is that I ran into Winona a couple months later and she said, "I talked to Meryl at a party...and she's totally in!"

Heathers and Repo Man would be an Olympian double feature.

― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:54 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

feel like you could learn a lot about a person by which of these two they preferred

So.... (Daniel Waters wrote it; his brother Mark is directing.)

http://io9.com/vampire-academy-is-actually-a-lot-funnier-than-we-expec-1443944986

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/still-very-25-years-later-the-bleak-genius-of-em-heathers-em/359828/

EW oral history

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/04/04/heathers-oral-history/

WATERS The ending I should’ve fought harder for is where Martha Dumptruck pulls out a knife, stabs Veronica, and says, “F— you, Heather.” And Veronica’s on the ground laughing, with a knife in her stomach, saying, “My name’s not Heather. My name’s not Heather.”

haha omg

That was an outstanding read.

http://www.avclub.com/article/tv-land-makes-its-damage-known-announces-heathers--233866

sexually perverse photography exhibits involving tennis racquets

call me when the shuttle lands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct_lrDNvxoA

oh wow the marilyn manson cover of "tainted love" finally gets a new life

Nervous to watch that

Nope.

Well that was 100% depressing and vaguely alt-rightish

hooooooooooooly shit

ahahahahahahhahahaaha

this is either gonna be a total trainwreck or completely amazing

*me seeing this on sna* oh no did someone reboot heathers what an awful idea
*me watching this trailer* absolutely what the fuck no

So, this remake attempts "diversity" by giving us plus-size and queer Heathers, but makes the heroes two attractive hetero white kids? At best, this will be the very definition of the word pointless, and at worst...well, DJP already said it.

Wait yeah isnt the point of the movie the exact opposite of that??

watched a bit out of curiosity. ummm... nope.

nope as in 'not for me'.

Did You Eat A Hot Take For Breakfast?

i decided to check out at "i knew winona ryder from stranger things"

Uh, Christian Slater is the baddy in this film, my dude

People need to stop giving obvious clickbait the time of day. That said, the cafeteria shooting probably would be done differently if it was made now or even about twenty years back, I watched it for the first time a few years after Columbine and yeah...it felt off even then.

True friend’s work is never done.

Heatherspeak is like some kind of Nadsat.