FINAL CLINTON OBAMA DEBATE THREAD

HRC's opening statement became unintelligible drone in record time

I'm gonna make me some popcorn

she plugged her website - i missed obama

Is this streamable somewhere?

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/index - from the other thread havent tried it

so hillary is backing waaaay off her me n mccain are the qualified ones

story

So have they got these undecided voters wired up to something?

yah theyre shocking them yelling WHY CANT U MAKE UP YR MIND WTF PLZ WHEN WILL IT END

I AM THE SON OF A FACTORY WORKER

I AM FROM SCRANTON PEOPLE! DON'T EVER FORGET IT!

PENN ALL THE WAY! YEAH!

i have never met anyone who has a neurotic relationship to religion or guns

Way to misread his point, Hil.

any place where I can stream this??

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/index

Well shit, the economy polls as the #1 issue but people will vote republican when those policies will (arguably) screw them. It's a democrat talking point, and one I mostly agree with, that republican policies screw the factory workers of the country. Democrats don't get why people would vote republican if the economy's the thing.

Way to bring religion into it..

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/18887/thumbs/s-REDDRESS-large.jpg

"I am a Christian" would have played a lot better than "I am a person of faith," Senator Obama, just for future reference

Ooh and Obama's running with it! Oddly enough my mostly-liberal but evangelical-type friends (who are typically apolitical because of that, and their relative youth) really like Obama's interest in faith.

omg Obama's "that's not who she is" line is fucking gold

lol clinton glaring at the insinuated cycle of abuse

J0hn, it does to a certain crowd, but there's a growing interest of people who remember that mixing religion and politics degrade both institutions and I think Obama's pulled people like that to his side -- he has obvious Christian background, but he politically is pretty good at looking who he represents. It's a good angle.

"It wasn't just me responding, it was Hugh Hewitt, Mark Steyn, and Kathryn Jean Lopez responding."

And wtf is Hillary trumpeting on about how she has the support of the common man forever

can i stream this somewhere??

I know he has to do it, but I wish he wouldn't go with the "I didn't know Rev. Wright was hateful" because he fucking isn't

stfu big hoos aka the steendriver

Ugh he's not responding to Gibson's excellent question (which would require a cynicism Obama won't admit to).

hoos i am headphoning it right now from an abc link given somewhere above

btw it sucks

xp oh

so far im enjoying these questions

Agreed agreed. I like how "white people are causing pain" and "our governments actions come back on us" are apparently objectionable, but "is America ready for a black president" is not objectionable. Of course someone's still being kept down somewhere if that's even a damn question

man, y'all know I am more sympathetic to HRC than most but this debate is really serving up the easy wins for her and it ain't right

^^

"does reverend wright love america as much as you"

wtf is this, the mccarthy hearings??

sorry i just tuned in & this is the worst shit ever

hoos I thought you were making funny because a couple of people had already asked for a stream, sorry for the unwarranted stfu

p.s ethan otm, this is some bullshit

do you think rev wright loves america as much as you?

w t f

ABC has a lot invested in the Wright story.

"You have disowned him?" wtf wtf wtf

yikes

DOES HIS LOVE THIS COUNTRY?? ANSWER THE QUESTION

if HRC were a more admirable person she'd lend Obama a hand here just on general principles

BOY is she smelling blood or what

next question: can you give up soon plz? plz plz plz

this is why I will never be truly famous, I lack the killer instinct that HRC has

OK now she's just plagiarizing him.

wtf this wright shit.

ok here comes the volley

It's not looking like a good thing for Hillary if she hammers on this, she's just looking like a dick.

Oh look, she's talking about overcoming this divisiveness! I am already forgetting that speech about race Obama gave!

Fucking Stephanopolous is in on some hit job here

OOOH sneaky, and using the Nixoninan "it raises questions" line.

SNIPER FIRE BOSNIA FINALLY

lol at the continued 'why would an old black man be angry at america???? this doesn't make sense'. ok wait is hill really pitching herself as the uniter not a divider of this election?

like huckabee/mccain/bush/etc. haven't had pastors who said some irresponsible fucking shit. shit is racist.

having a pastor who has some complaints about america vs LYING ABOUT GETTING SHOT AT OVER + OVER + OVER + OVER

wtf: Obama has to face well-worded questions from Geo Stephanopolous, HRC's question is from some guy who stumbles over his words

lol

'i may have lied about bosnia, but i love america, and i know wesley clark'

she seems to have given up on the i was sweeeepy line

she should just go ahead and say she took four bullets that day and didn't cry when they pulled em out

and what otm

oops!

Charlie Gibson just fell asleep during her answer.

ok you cant admit that you lied and then say you have the advantage of experience when its from a time you lied

lol 'i should get more sleep'

"I have been to many countries! I know people who are photogenic! I know stuff!"

well, hill, I hope you can get some more sleep.

'when you talk as much as we talk, you just lie a whole bunch'

UUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

"I have had much experience in making table settings."

so she can get the phone at 3am but if she doesnt get enough sleep she lies all the time??

oh man HRC with the vicious giggle

"It didn't jive with what I knew to be the truth"

huh heh heh

DO NOT CALL HER AT 3AM - SHE WILL LIE

Obama just threw out the olive branch

damn hil stop laughing

obama knows he has a slam dunk here.... awesome response

hill's giggle man o man she hate him

Obama finally getting a little time in the pocket here

her being all g-dub 'heh heh' while obama is sticking up for her is shitty

balls otm, Hillary's giggle = "ooh you asshole I've got you now"

http://images.politico.com/global/hillaryphone.jpg
oh yah terror huh? np ill get right on that ok whatever

God, he's terrible in this format. Can he just remind himself that Gibson and Stephanopoloruffruff that they're sheep who need elocutionary zeal to let their dumbass questions go?

IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE AMERICAN FLAG

ugh what the fuck

AAHHHH NOT THE FLAG FOR FUCK'S FUCKING SAKE

hey they let a retard ask one super!

they are really hammering the obama-hates-america stuff

"Well George, it's a hollow empty symbol."

oh my fucking god, wearing a flag lapel pin?

I grew up in PA and I don't know ANY of these people.

srsly guyz like i said, mccarthy hearings

"That's a beautiful flag. Where'd you find the colors?"

jesus christ xps

why don't you wear the flag?????? wtf.

i want him to say i wear my flag lapel pin on the inside so bad

lol at the graph during's obama 'look, shit is fucked up', huge jump

omg more mccarthyism this country's fucked

ABC gifting Clinton with a four-point poll spike so they can keep their horserace shit going, that's what this is about

"I actually think it cheapens the damn thing to put it on every shirt, truck, lapel pin, front yard, Perkins flagpole, and tattoo you can. Revere it, assholes."

"I am a Christian" would have played a lot better than "I am a person of faith," Senator Obama, just for future reference

maybe with Xtians

i dont believe in the flag - its a myth

In one famous interchange, McCarthy responded to aggressive questioning from the Army's attorney, Joseph Welch. On June 9, 1954, the 30th day of the hearings, Welch challenged Roy Cohn to give the Attorney General McCarthy's list of 130 Communists or subversives in defense plants "before the sun goes down." McCarthy responded, sounding audibly intoxicated, by saying that if Welch was so concerned about persons aiding the Communist Party, he should check on a man in his Boston law office named Fred Fisher, who had once belonged to the National Lawyers Guild (NLG), a group which U.S. Attorney General Herbert Brownell, Jr. had called "the legal mouthpiece of the Communist Party." At the time Brownell was seeking to designate the NLG as a Communist front organization. This was a violation of a pre-hearing agreement not to raise the issue because the designation was being litigated. Welch responded:

"Until this moment, Senator, I think I never gauged your cruelty or recklessness...."

When McCarthy resumed his attack, Welch cut him short:

"Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator.... You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

lol WHEN IM IN A DEBATE WITH JOHN MCCAIN : D

giggle at that hilz

lol at the graph during's obama 'look, shit is fucked up', huge jump

what graph are you talking about

xpost

maybe with Xtians

yeah most americans dude. you know how I feel about xians, but if you're a politician you're an idiot if you don't kiss their asses & give them tongue if they ask for it

lots of people who work to destroy this country wear one of those shits everyday

I really didn't care who got the nomination until I saw this shit.

what graph are you talking about

from STREAMIN LINK

oh jesus

"a manufactured issue" OTM.

why not ask hillary if she loves america.... oh wait shes white >:|

ughghghggh AYERS, REALLY?

OH MY GOD.

Jesus Christ the weather underground? this is some fox news shit right here

yeah most americans dude

yeah dude maybe for the 95% of dems who don't have a jewish problem

are they gonna ask obama if he's ever met ward churchill? maybe if he ever met robert mapplethorpe or andres serrano?

this is just fucking sad now

ooh yeah obama calling George by name in an admonishing way, nice

I think it's probably a good thing the streamer keeps crashing out on me.

awzom comparing republicans to the weather underground!

NIIIICE

omfg they seriously asked him about ayers.

"OBAMA ARE YOU A MUSLIM???????? I HEARD YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET"

obama needs to hammer home that we all know + are friendly with people who say a ton of stupid shit

"Many Americans post on ILX. Are they responsible for all the comments written there?"

gabbneb srsly w/e, g'head and discount the christian vote, enjoy yr republican admins for the next eternity

haha xpost I HEARD YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET

does hillary even research policy any more or does she just spend all day on the internet looking for smears of obama?

oh for fucks sake, is Hillary jumping on "you served on a board with.." ? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BOARDS YOU ARE ON WITH ASSHOLES?

(not ilx I mean)

i really dont think this hillary going for the jugular shit is going to play well

she doesn't surf the net because she hates Al Gore for inventing it.

if elected president, i promise to bring the most vicious weekly smears of barack obama that this nation can provide

ok everybody predict the poll dip tomorrow

xpost ethan you gotta ask? she plays to win son

ooh good zing hil :D

Maybe he should bring up Hil being on the board of walmart

j0hn, the nominee has many months to suck off xtians after Pennsylvania is over

OMIGOD her Nixon shit has to stop ("Obama is a good man," but he "raises concerns").

'i think the republicans shouldnt run anyone this year. also the democrats shouldnt run anybody who isnt me'

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

catsup I don't think most people hate walmart

OH SNAP

U BURNT

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

THATS THAT KILLA SHIT OBAMA U KILLIN EM

OH SHIT YR HUSBAND PARDONED TERRISTSSSTS

OHHHHHHHHHH

gotdamn

HE WAS LAYING IN WAIT TO ZING U !!!!

i wish ilx was hooked up to one of those graphs but there was a mic and you could hear all us goin OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH

All he needs to do is mention Marc Rich.

catsup I don't think most people hate walmart

-- J0hn D., Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:45 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

"hurting small business" didn't stick

this spike is where every american watching the show be like DAAAAAAAAAAAMN

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/OMGSPOFI/oh_snap.gif

"we can wait" - holy fuck I think that's the first time I've seen a politician decline more camera time

CLINTON VS. OBAMA: ONE ON ONE

hmmm hillary chooses not to comment on her faild weather underground takedown

srsly tho, clinton is disgustingdoing pretty well

Sullivan:

8.40 pm. Now, it's flag-pins! I'm just pointing out that we are now almost halfway through this debate and ABC News has not asked a single policy question. It's pure Rove, sustained and hyped and sustained by Stephanopoulos and Gibson. It's what they know; it's easy; and it will generate ratings. It is not journalism.

8.33 pm. So far, neither Gibson nor Stephanopoulos have asked a single policy-related question. They seem utterly uninterested in foreign or domestic policy. After the past eight years, we have had half an hour with nothing but process questions. Gibson and Stephanopoulos are clearly part of the problem in this election and part of what has to be reformed.

Charlie Gibson is the anti-Dick Clark

lolol (im like a min behind you guys right now)

i <3 gangsta obama cant wait to see him bring it to mccain like that+

i'm only listening, tho, not watching, so maybe that's it (oh no!)

I was typing, what exactly did he say

xpost cosign w/gabbneb but the game is really badly rigged

he looks like he's aged 10 more years every time I see him xxxxpost

hahaha, this thread is overcaffeinated

srsly sullivan is right. fuck this "omigod I heard black people hate america" bullshit.

i'm only listening, tho, not watching, so maybe that's it (oh no!)

-- gabbneb, Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:47 AM (23 seconds ago)

dude did you hear clintons signoff??

hey fuck you Lunesta commercial I shook that monkey off my fuckin back btw

George (off-camera): "Uh - let's get some fact checkers on this Bill pardoning terrorists thing. We should - uh - do something on that."

green line at zero for lunesta

Fuck granola.

lol at gabbneb listening to nixon-kennedy debate on the radio

slight movement for kashi granola tho!

'pardoning two weatherman is more significant than sitting on a board with one'

oh damn waaaay inside polygamy. ALL THE WAY INSIDE.

pretty funny that a streaming video in quicktime is more functional than most dvrs

i feel like maybe theyre pushing obama's buttons to see if he'll hardson hilz off the stage & get all the fruitflies like us buzzin

HAI GUYS I'M FRED THOMPSON WAKE ME UP

http://www.baldiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/fred-thompson.jpg

is it broken for anyone else

slight dips for black screen

from an entertainment perspective these questions are top notch

OH NOES THE WEATHERMEN HAVE BOMBED THE STUDIO

This constitution shit is whack

lol at quote from constitution

Interracial marriage???

"apropos"

HOW WILL THAT PLAY FOR THE DEMOCRATS??

'pardoning two weatherman is more significant than sitting on a board with one'

that is quality

What's up w her accent?

ohhh web watchers tell me how the green line responded to interracial couple

lol at gabbneb listening to nixon-kennedy debate on the radio

ehh, speak up, sonny. (i'm at work, dude.)

"Would Senator Clinton wear a flag on her lapel whatever the realities on the ground?"

"it would set back ALL of the gains," good to see the bullshit running both ways

better than granola xxxpost

Those incompetent dark skins again; can't do shit right.

this is a dumb question but is that a linen blazer HRC is wearing

no I don't think so.

seems too heavy.

really hate the dems 'we should be in afghanistan' talking point

is that focus group on the screen really just an EKG meter attached to Fred Thompson?

seems like its just the way to say we should get out of iraq without sounding like you dont wanna fight ANY wars

Does Obama agree with that 'we should be in Afghanistan' thing?

where the hell is this internet stream

lol you tell em food not bombs

Good answer.

lol obama schoolin em on the constitution, fuck militarism

balls hahahaha

an EKG meter attached to Fred Thompson?

http://www.thecolumnists.com/miller/miller320art2.jpg

Food waaaay cheaper than bombs.

obama's 'the commander in chief makes military decisions' is dangerously close to the bush doctrine

dan i i dont even know whos being serious anymore but its at the v top of the thread

where the hell is this internet stream

-- Dan I., Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/index

'i'll listen to the troops on the ground for tactical decisions but only the president can do the vision thing' uhhhh

UGGGHH ISRAEL

why ask obama this

no no nononono

Neither wants to admit the cynicism of the current policy: the surge buys time for GWB to leave office with minor achievements in Iraq to boast of.

should we atak isreal why dont u ask yr teerist friends huh

i love that obama has never backtracked on talking to iran tho

hey if I become King of Hell do I get to punish Stephanopoulos after he gets there

ethan's right on the polite procedural pelosian afghanistan phrasing, the line is we should be kicking bin Laden ass, not wasting time acting as an intramural muslim policeman

Who the hell came up with these questions, Karl Rove?

why ask obama this

-- and what, Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:59 PM (Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:59 PM)

because he is secretly muslim duh

obama's 'the commander in chief makes military decisions' is dangerously close to the bush doctrine

uhh ethan, that's what the CIC does constitutionally. He's saying that these troops were failed by shit-eating civilian leadership.

I missed it the first time, thanks.

'the commander in chief makes military decisions' is dangerously close to this crazy thing called 'civilian authority'. call me crazy for not bemoaning the dems for not calling for a military coup.

obama's 'the commander in chief makes military decisions' is dangerously close to the bush doctrine

the bush doctrine is more like 'that cute general who does what dick tells him makes military decisions'

Oh I get to hear some of this, we are going to World Service live coverage.

the party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the party

how long did it take HRC to memorize "vis a vis"?

bush doctrine re: military is 'if you won't do it we'll find somebody who will', bush treats the dod like nixon did the doj

its hilarious how everyone pretends ahmadinejad runs iran

I think ahmadinejad is dreamy

I can't wait to hit puberty so I can grow a beard and dress snappy like thim.

how long did it take HRC to memorize "vis a vis"?

umm I think she went to college

wtf is this shadowplay over "talking to Iran"? Every adminstration from Nixon onwards has perfected "backchannel" diplomacy.

Clinton's symmetrical hand gestures are annoying

fuck this mccain clip. AUCICITY

lol at 'audicity'

more of the brutal Clinton giggle

hilz was loling too she obv thinks mccain is a dunce which is an appealing facet

THE AUDICITEE

my wife laffs at me when I mispronounce shit so fuck this I'm voting Obama

i wish she would just start acting like shes not gonna be the nominee and be like 'man, first of all, did you hear that? audicity? the fuck is that?'

huh heh heh heh heh ha ha

haha yeah shes admittedly kinda otm here

the audicity of hope

go to my website, hillaryclinton.com

why wont anyone ever say imna tax the shit out the rich free candy yay!!!!

did she say "homeland security retirement plans"?

Every adminstration from Nixon onwards has perfected "backchannel" diplomacy.

Only Nixon could go to China. Spock, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

If she doesn't win the nomination, she's hoping this ad-sense deal on her website is gonna work out.

God it seems like fifteen minutes since we heard from Obama

OMIGOD SHE MENTIONED HER WEBSITE

more of the brutal Clinton giggle

Barack Obama pledges not to use the Clinton giggle on Guantanamo detainees; Hillary remains silent on the matter.

*cackle*

http://www.tvguide.com/images/pgimg/arrested-jeffrey-tambor4.jpg
GO TO MY WEBSITE! IM-OSCAR DOT COM!

probability of springsteen reference

maybe hrc will plug ilx if we link her site

Obama's financial points are otm

ugh why are they doing this tax shit.... will they ask mccain about taxes?

Shit, write-offs w/o itemizing for homeownership are a good idea

this is some ron paul bullshit

there will be no taxes under mccain

ONLY WAR

This is some Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller shit.

looool bluelight cutscreen "top 50 hedge fund managers" screen fulla ghastly rich white dudes

FUCKING TAX THE SHiT OUT THE RICH PLZ ITS AN EASY WAY TO FIX THE ECONOMY FFS

when republicans got rid of taxes, everything was great. but when people paid taxes, everything was bad. also, taxation is theft. barry, your take?

jesus christ fuck these fuckers

hahaa the top 50 hedge fund managers

good mccain/china zing

LOL CHINA IS OUR CREDIT CARD OBAMA DID YOU GO TO MY INTL ECON LECTURE LAST WEEK

McCain's tax plan is: The amount we save on Social Security by killing citizens will go to eliminating taxes.

this is the 1st time ive heard any candidate acknowledge the fact that republicans are spending future tax money by taking out trillions in loans while pretending to cut taxes

charlie gibson 'but you're wrong and you're wrong'

DEAR CHARLIE GIBSON CORRELATION DOES NOT = CAUSATION

HRC bringin' up the good-time 90s, this is her money line

"BUT HISTORY SHOWS BLURP"

OMG ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME LET ME PUNCH THIS ASSHOLE PLZ

when republicans got rid of taxes, everything was great. but when people paid taxes, everything was bad. also, taxation is theft. barry, your take?

ethan you are a god

Ethan, that's what "deficit" means.

somebody nutpunch charlie g

WHERE WILL THIS MONEY COME FROM

haaaaahaha HRC pandering to Pennsylvania for the votes

(Why didn't we do this in chatz? This is going to totally fuck me on the statscock)

what star trek movie is that from jon?

hi jon williams i know people talk about the national debt but they dont say OH BTW REPUBLICANS ARE JUST PRETENDING NOT TO TAX YOU BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY THIS SOMEDAY AND IT WILL BE TAXED

lol i can answer that its from star trek 6

charlie gibson: r u gonna fuk w/my investments guys guys?

"we went from surplus to debt" is money

spock is explaining why they sent notorious bad ass klingon-hater james t kirk to negotiate the klingon peace treaty instead of some kind of 23rd century dennis kucinich

The admission that Clinton and Bush both lowered capital gains tax should shut people about how, economically at least, the transition b/w the two adminstrations was seamless.

yeah im starting to think gibson is just going off-script and asking about his own personal assets

WHAT THE FUCK at charlie fucking gibson

OMG THAT'S A TAX.

'very quickly cuz i owe senator clinton time'

no you owe her your dick you stupid motherfucker

BUT THAT'S A TAX fuck you yes it takes money to run a country

yeah the myth (reiterated tonight) is 'cutting taxes raises revenues and if we didn't have any taxes at all the national debt would be paid by next thursday'.

Every adminstration from Nixon onwards has perfected "backchannel" diplomacy.
Only Nixon could go to China. Spock, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:06 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Haha:

9.11 pm. Check out the ABC News comments section. The viewers appear mad as hell at this pathetic shell-game. They should be. Money quote:

My pet snake would be a better moderator than the two dopes ABC has supposedly running this debate! After an hour, we get to a legitimate question??!!! HORRIBLE JOB ABC!!! Just plain HORRIBLE!!!!!

this is just fucking shameful, I don't care how you feel about the primary dude deserved a fair debate

OMG DID OBAMA JUST SAY U CANT GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING

brit hume watch yr back, charlie wants yr job

can we have a thread where we all watch + liveblog star trek 6 instead

IS HE FORGET HES RUNNING 4 PREZ

i have to admit i do love that hilz is hammering bush in this

went to a war we didnt pay for, u tell em you nasty old bitch

yeah what the fuck is going on for real

oo lil pandering from obama there

"we can work it out"??

ty obama for pointing out clinton promises to form a commission for everything she doesnt want to talk abt

why is there an ad for jeremy piven and stool softener

how is stool softener playing w/the undecideds?

IS HE FORGET HES RUNNING 4 PREZ

it's hard to remember what you're doing when asshole moderators just interrupt you with reaganite talking points

hrc just scored big bush points I wish ethan would not call her a bitch

It's a nice HRC line, but, really, she didn't once ask him, "You've been president for two and a half years and want authorization to go to war in Iraq. How're we gonna pay for this?"

man dividedwefail is all about some walk the line

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070301gibson.jpg http://www.ethanmeleg.com/Images/SASK-Black-TailedPrairieDog-01.jpg

alfred otm but I mean HRC knew she was gonna run for president and she has cold fucking blood. I really think she would find it in her interest to let as much bush bullshit go through as possible so as to attack it during the campaign

wtf can no one watching this take a shit wtf

calling her a nasty old bitch was a compliment

lol at jamie lee curtis selling me yogurt that makes you poop

Who are these "undecided voters" who seem to start blissing out whenever Hilz bothers to open her mouth?

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I find that conclusion pretty fucking repellent, John, especially with 4000+ lives lost; but I shouldn't be surprised.

only old people and hopeless geeks watch debates, jhoshea

yeah ethan I know, I know.

judge from the wire dancing in a hotel lobby

lol 2nd amendment

ok what the fuck was that

uh oh, second amendment.

I'm so slow

'every american today said a prayer for the people who died' shut the fuck up charles gibson dont speak for me

I find that conclusion pretty fucking repellent, John, especially with 4000+ lives lost; but I shouldn't be surprised.

yeah man it's my opinion that politicians don't care how many dead bodies they gotta walk over to hold office

ethan pray for the hokies

lol at the constitution quote

ethan dont watch sports j0hn

Sully's OTM again:

9.15 pm. The longest section on policy so far, in the age of terror, debt, and torture ... is about the capital gains tax. And Gibson is clearly trying to get both of them to say something that can subsequently be turned into a gaffe or a GOP talking point.

alfred otm but I mean HRC knew she was gonna run for president and she has cold fucking blood. I really think she would find it in her interest to let as much bush bullshit go through as possible so as to attack it during the campaign

-- J0hn D., Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:22 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

this is cold to an irrational degree; obv voting record is gonna be brought up like crazy on any campaign

ps i fucking hate hilary

lol i was in nepal this time last year and the vt shooting was the top story - everyone was all wtf wrong w/yr country

apparently my girl is gonna get me into football :-0

was at a superbowl party this year but i only watched maybe 5 minutes of that shit

I think Gibson's bullshit Ben Franklin glasses are hurting his branes

lol 'mentally challenged'

lol NOT the best time to get into football in atlanta :(

hillary takes a bold stand against gun-wielding tards

what the fuck are they talking about?!?

dude AW you gotta good girl then cuz you missed out on like the greatest superbowl ever

Hillary knows who should own guns.

i really wanted charlie gibson to say 'hand on the pump' after 'sawed off shotgun'

you can't own a sawed-off shotgun in DC? what kind of country do we live in???

"When I interviewed Aaron Burr, I realized that his position didn't reflect the attitude of the Founders with respect to the Second Amendment."

xp i watched the last one with prince but i was pretty drunk at the bar so i just yelled when everybody else did

HAHA Obama: "I haven't read about the issue. It bores me."

lol fools in dc have no rights at all

is this gonna be where hilz gets into bitter/cling-gate

MENTALLY DERANGED

srsly does anybody fucking care if you can own a sawed-off shotgun in dc?

lol "mentally deranged" obama's taking it up a notch

He just lost Ice-T's vote

obama needs to mention that big macho right-wing america-loving cops are number one dudes who want increased gun control

this thread is so much more fun than the debate

good cheney zing

i will regret when barack gets the nom that he wont be endlessly making cheapshots like hilz would have

OK good Cheney line.

hillary/jpg-of-bush-next-to-a-chimp 08

dude charlie is on the warpath

Dude, she missed an opportunity to make a cheney hunting zing

do you favor licensing and registration of handguns automobiles?

DO YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE TO REGISTER THEIR HANDGUNS WHICH IS CLEARLY VIOLATING THEIR RIGHT TO SHOOT SHIT WHENEVER THEY WANT

Clinton's best 2 minutes in debate

yeah i do like that hillarys bringin the zings

affirmative action oh boy

WAHT WOULD REAGAN DO?

Yeah, this is clearly the only way to deal with this non-issue.

)(xxpost)

omg no. not affirmative action.

yeah better watch out for all those affluent african americans. they're everywhere. outnumbering white people.

obama, you're black. a black, black man. do you want to win the presidency for the coloreds and kill all white people, or are you willing to say fuck you to black folks and give whitey some?

please remember that you are under oath of the gigantic WE THE PEOPLE backdrop

lol

affirmative action = cut to black dude and white dude in audience sitting next to each other

white dude was stroking his goatee too much for my tastes

lol

dude does any college actually have a quota system and is just like "lol better blindly accept some whites/blacks/asians, gotta fill the quota!"

that black guy wouldnt even be in the audience if it wasnt for affirmative action

when she said "I will end it" in re: no child left behind aka the anti-children act I got weak in the damn knees

whenever HRC says "This is how I'd prefer do it," it means she basically agrees with Obama.

this thread is so much more fun than the debate

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:31 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is true i had a couple ppl over to watch espn then i saw this thread & ive been stuck on it ever since, theyre cool w it cuz they already know im a huge nerd

dude anyone with two brain cells will end no child left behind xxp

when she said "I will end it" in re: no child left behind aka the anti-children act I got weak in the damn knees

not many mc's feel this way

xpost i never would have gotten into harvard if there hadn't been an oregon quota

actually charlie the whole world doesn't pay a whole lot more for gas because lol dollars r weak

I MET WITH A GROUP OF TRUCKERS IN HARRISBURG

"I met with a group of truckers"

truck stop gangbang

gabbneb when you wanna battle me just tell me where to show up, I will bring my own mic

i didn't get into one college because they had too many asians already.

WTF is it with these inponderables? "Senators, Pluto is no longer considered a planet. How will you change that?"

gabbneb when you wanna battle me just tell me where to show up, I will bring my own mic

haha, ok, i went to cranbrook &c.

OH NO HE SAID PEOPLE ARE CYNICAL

NO.

John's feed is faster than mine.

it's affirmative action

we keep pausing our DVR so you guys are always ahead of me ARGH

its manhattan project

OH SNAP

didnt hillary get asked this already & joek with baseball commissioner

i would burn him for fuel

oh the former presidents

Isn't Carter working for our nation by talking to Hamas?

I would dig up Nixon and send him to mediate the Beijing Olympics controversy

omg i think obama just did clinton laugh huh heh heh heh heh heh

holy fuck at Obama praising Bush I

george hw bush's foreign policy was a wise foreign policy

....

HRC knows she just got served on that uniting parties business

dude Bush I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mentally deranged

He's the only president with experience getting us out of Iraq.

and telling Cheney to stfu.

cavemen need to move on w/ their lives

dont talk about the mentally deranged like that

dude does any college actually have a quota system and is just like "lol better blindly accept some whites/blacks/asians, gotta fill the quota!"

-- jessie monster, Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:35 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

California State System

half the electorate doesn't remember Bush I at all, they're just gonna hear that Obama's said something nice about the other side, it's a canny move

hes also sonning w

They'll cling to him.

9.32 pm. No questions on the environment, none on terror, none on interrogation, none on torture, none on education, none on spending, none on healthcare, none on Iran ... but four separate questions in the first hour about a lapel-pin, Bitter-gate, Wright-gate and Ayers. I'm all for keeping candidates on their toes. But this was ridiculous. And now we have affirmative action? Again, it's not illegitimate as such - but the only reason it is asked is to try and trip these people up and make Gibson and Stephanopoulos look smart.

blip for the ambien ad

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/04/16/bhojeffswensengetty.jpg

none on Iran .?

NØT

I think Sully took a pee break during that one.

thanking u

hey thats actually his middle name no need for the quotes

oh for fuck's sake

hey baby, husseins my middle name

they feel like they not seen - but theyre NOT bitter

HRC has never looked more like Tracy Flick.

Hillary Clinton, Waitin' on the World to Change

http://unitedagainsthillary.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/hillary-walmart.jpg

"I will force everyone to join the American family. Tackle them, if I must."

this is like fucking slow pitch softball vs verlander fastball, fuck this shit fuck this shit fuck this shit

Wesley Clark is HRC's Hubert Humphrey.

lol cut to chelsea lookin' smug

she's doing what we round here call "indie-face"

people are always whispering to obama

This was up there with Lincoln vs Douglas.

lol i'm reminded of the old woman bringing cleavon little the apple pie

Thanks to the audience for restraining yourselves when we could not.

all-bran ad - more poopy problems

lol excel in windows xp

some dudes whose blog I hang out with had a republican troll who always always always refers to obama as "barack hussein obama" and then does this "what? it's his name isn't it?" thing so we took to using "hussein" to mean "right on" which worked ok - this is one of those things where to argue that it's uncool is to lend it credence, you gotta just take the air out of it

Thanks to the audience for restraining yourselves when we could not.

-- C0L1N B..., Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:52 AM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

yeah no shit i hope we arent the only ones who thought that

laxative ads are for ppl who're so worked up about the primaries that they can't even shit

how the fuck is that an interesting vantage point

fucking burn charie gibson at the steak go!

mmmm steak

if you think ABC should eat bag of dicks, go here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat=ABC%20News%20Specials

this thread makes me really glad i've been watching baseball and drinking beer for the last 3 hours.

go red sox

who says I haven't been drinking? xp

right now id eat that motherfucker medium rare i dont even care if i get worms

Mark Halperin’s overall grades: Obama B+, Clinton B.

when i grow up i wanna be known as 'action news anchorman'

Weird, my mom did not seem to be sharing the same sense of outrage that we were about the questioning line and thought that when O did zing he knocked it out of the park.

I should drink.

50% clinton
23% obama
27% neither

this is really fucking bad kidz

let's see not having watched this i offer my punditry:

HILLARY needs a GAME CHANGER and THIS WASN'T IT. she probably SOLIDIFIED HER SUPPORT in pennsylvania, but she didn't land any KNOCKOUT BLOWS. OBAMA did what he could to DEFUSE THE CONTROVERSIES about his PASTOR and his REMARKS IN SAN FRANCISCO, probably enough to STOP THE BLEEDING in the democratic primary, especially looking BEYOND PENNSYLVANIA to the KEY STATES of indiana and north carolina. but those questions will continue to LOOM LARGE for the general election, and HILLARY shows NO SIGNS of LETTING UP HER ATTACKS. meanwhile, JOHN MCCAIN is DRINKING THEIR MILKSHAKES among the kinds of CENTRIST SWING VOTERS who will be CRUCIAL IN NOVEMBER.

wtf was this shit u guys

wtfucking fuck

fast forward to presidential debate, october 2008:

now ABOUT YOUR PASTOR...

what'd you guy's expect? Softball is a girls' sport.

tipsy im not up on the whole game as most but yeah this mighta been the game changer

truly sad stuff

oh i have no idea. i was just mad libbing.

yeah i know but just you know, it sucked really bad

wow:

Tactics Uber Alles [Jonah Goldberg]

I'm no leftwing blogger, but I can only imagine how furious they must be with the debate so far. Nothing on any issues. Just a lot of box-checking on how the candidates will respond to various Republican talking points come the fall. Now I think a lot of those Republican talking points are valid and legitimate. But if I were a "fighting Dem" who thinks all of these topics are despicable distractions from the "real issues," I would find this debate to be nothing but Republican water-carrying.

04/16 08:52 PM

woooow

I'm personally really glad ABC got former Clinton administration Senior Policy advisor George Stephanopoulos to moderate this debate. Fair and balanced, guys!

wait did I miss the part where the audience BOOED Charles Gibson?

it was when at the v end

when

sooooo glad i missed this

i missed it, but from reading this thread i gather this

ABC gifting Clinton with a four-point poll spike so they can keep their horserace shit going, that's what this is about

is exactly right. it's also a gift their good, stalwart, honest, heroic friend john mccain can enjoy.

http://i30.tinypic.com/219e3di.jpg

Didn't watch (Mets were on).

For asking flag-pin question, I hope President Saint has Charlie Gibson tied to the propeller of a nuclear submarine.

This was up there with Lincoln vs Douglas.

Abbey Lincoln v Mike Douglas?

I though this was FINAL CLINTON OBAMA DEATH THREAT

can somebody just tell me who's going to win please. i mean come on

obama

there now u can relax w/a nice cup of connecticut muffin herbal tea ok

weird i did just make some herbal tea

but i'm skipping out on CTmuff this morning

"CTmuff" is a much better name

:P thx

CONNECTICUT MUFFIN

STAY AWAY FROM MEE-HEE

do you know it took me a few hours to get that? love it :)

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

No Whining About the Media
By David Brooks

Three quick points on the Democratic debate tonight:
First, Democrats, and especially Obama supporters, are going to jump all over ABC for the choice of topics: too many gaffe questions, not enough policy questions.
I understand the complaints, but I thought the questions were excellent. The journalist’s job is to make politicians uncomfortable, to explore evasions, contradictions and vulnerabilities. Almost every question tonight did that. The candidates each looked foolish at times, but that’s their own fault.
We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall. Remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis. It’s legitimate to see how the candidates will respond to these sorts of symbolic issues.

Remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis

Was Dukakis hiding under a big pile of new flags?

oh david brooks - never takes more than 3 paragraphs to contradict himself

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:06 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^HOOS

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/18956/thumbs/r-DEBATEAGAIN-large.jpg
GOTCHA COOL GUY!

Chuckles Gibson looks like a discarded puppet from the Land of Confusion video shoot.

Uhhh, my mom is probably voting for McCain (I know) but she was delighted that people were going WTF is this total circus, said 'about time'. She likes Obama but can get vexed about Wright and thinks O's a hair to young.

This election is going to go almost completely along generational lines. Are there enough people under 45 to give it to Obama?

too. O.M.G.

wait, suzy, are you asking me if i want to give it to obama???

u do admit it its ok

No, hie thee away to Appletini thread for those fantasies!

Give the election victory. That's ELECTION.

whats that u say? ERECTION?

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:06 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^HOOS

-- deej, Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:35 AM (53 minutes ago)

wat

wait, suzy, are you asking me if i want to give it to obama???

What you got, you got to give it to Obama.

Are there enough people under 45 to give it to Obama?

Yeah.

Guys, I just went to McCain's site to see what talking points are there in response to what's on the other side of the fence, and they have this poll:

By how much would the Democrats' budget resolution raise America's tax bill?
* $0
* $500 million
* $200 billion
* $500 billion

Is this a poll or a trivia show?

Ooh! I know! I know! Pick me!

There are plenty of Obama supporters well over 45 -- my mom, for one. Might help if Suzy weren't watching all this from another country.

Ethan OTM just all over the damn place.

"It was another step downward for network news . . . shoddy, despicable performances [by Gibson and Stephanopoulos]":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/17/AR2008041700013.html

It is annoying to have to watch from another country but OTOH I would probably have gone mental from the 24/7 news by now plus arguments with more conservative family members. I wish I could get the part of my mom that was happy when O won Iowa because of 'the message it would send the world' to overrule the Wright-related outbursts which are the expression of her racism, in that she holds black people to higher standards than white counterparts, and just vote for the guy, she agrees with him on enough stuff. But bottom line, she thinks his associations mark his inexperience. My sister will vote however my mom does and the son-of-militia bro-in-law is pretty much in the bag for McCain.

So I guess the real question is that are there enough people in the shifting 'younger voter' category plus older more liberal people plus Dems who are over the Clintons plus 90 per cent of black vote plus yada yada to counter the standard GOP crap with sprinkles on?

Obama hopes his older supporters cancel out secret racists of all ages

Reverend Wright youtube clips are like the Dean scream moment of 2008, some loud moment taken out of the original context and put into one where the hyperbole is made to sound "unpatriotic."

Even if the guy meant every word he said in a straight context, what does that mean for the Obama campaign? That he's running for president because he's trying to unseat some white superiority-led conspiracy that keeps black people down and encourages terror?

this was some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen

and this guy watches rachael ray

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:06 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^HOOS

-- deej, Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:35 AM (53 minutes ago)

wat

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:30 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

it means otm

^_^

^^_^^

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CRBgxjslgqg

I don't care who wins. The televised conversations/meetings between either of them and Gordon Brown will be just as awkward.

This is sort of the wrong thread, but it's the most recent one, so whatevs.