What are the "eras" of ILX?

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Serious question. You're old ILX: when did you feel your time had passed?

Passed? Blueski is like mouldy cheese: getting bettah and bettah as the decades pass.

honestly i was never that hungry

Shall I compare thee to a Ole ILX? Thou areth more temperate, you know.

Dom, haven't you learned nothing in History 101: it's never clearly defined.

how does Dom manage to successfully reinvent and adapt himself to the coming of each new ILX era?

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/news/080324/madonna_candy.jpg

Time tried to pass me but I diverted it to Mitcham.

By not being like Madonna?
xp

I'd say Mr M2nni0n was more mid-ILX. I view "old ILX" as pre mid-2001. Mid ILX as mid 2002 onwards. Nu ILX as mid 2003 onwards. Post ILX as mid 2005 onwards. Not sure where we are now.

Those are totally arbitrary and not considered, btw.

London FAP Era

2000-2002 -- british people
2003 -- americans
2004-2005 -- wobbly commune
2006-2007 -- explosions
2008 -- remnants

never felt like there was a british majority here, looking at late 00/early 01 threads.

Key ILx moments that defined eras:

Formation of the noize board
Hillary Duff thread
Birth of meta
Dude throwing a glass of wine over someone at a wake

What else?

Too many Poles round the parts these days, Englanders??

early milestones:

August 2000 - June 2001 - Early days of ILM, concept developed and actioned by mr t ewing

March 2001 - AlexinNYC summoned by my call of action to honour the fire of killing joke on ILM

June 2001 Start of ILE - too much non music on ILM, concept proposed by DG

the biggest event of the millenium, September 11th 2001 - citizen journalism in action

Move from Greenspan to new ilxor Servers - August 2002

Formation of the noize board

The Golden Age of Aja/Dante was 1000000x more important than this.

the biggest event of the millenium, September 11th 2001 - citizen journalism in action

^^^quoting this

Dom you're just reducing ILX history to key incidents in the same way your adversaries have done with punk. Graham = Grundy etc.

Key ILx moments that defined eras:

Formation of the noize board
Hillary Duff thread
Birth of meta
Dude throwing a glass of wine over someone at a wake

What else?

-- Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 12:39 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

the only one of these four things that means shit is the formation of the noise board.

the 2 defining changing-type things for me would be 1/google indexing everything and 2/calum arrives/calum wars

I'm trying to create an ILX "roadmap", so to speak.

DEMEANING SIGN OF THE TIMES OF 1999

... the line in LFO's "Summer Girls" that goes "I like girls who wear Abercrombie & Fitch". Somehow I can't imagine Smokey Robinson or Al Green dropping a namebrand reference into one of their songs-they'd have thought it beneath them.

"the biggest event of the millenium, September 11th 2001 - citizen journalism in action

^^^quoting this"

Well, there were at least two ilxors who witnessed it and posted live or very shortly after. Sadly the timeline for those 9/11 threads is missing, so can't really see the urgency with which events unfolded that morning.

Geir finds ILM - 2003? reunited with 1990s veterans of usenet

Anything to do with the Noize Board is far far overrated in history. Nobody will care in 1000 years time when digital archivists sift through this data looking for posts from "the bloke who was the cousin of that bloke from Del Amitri".

And let's just hope they don't go looking for any posts from Aja/Dante, hey?

is calum still considered the most memorable ilx troll?

Anyway, back to the original question

2000-2002 - Earnest discussion
2002-2004 - Lists
2005 - Picture threads
2006-now - Polls

I remember there being a sensational amount of butthurt in 2004/5

makes me feel saaad for the rest...

is calum still considered the most memorable ilx troll?

-- blueski, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 13:00 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Who else could ever have come close, really?

I remember there being a sensational amount of butthurt in 2004/5

but back then there was no handy buzzword to describe the taking of things so serious

True, but by the same token there was so much butthurt that a buzzword wouldn't have got through anyway.

Who else could ever have come close, really?

-- Pashmina, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:02 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Scottish guy, one eye, like Wu-Tang was for the children, forget his name.

i liked ilx more in 04/05. just my personal opinon4u.

i miss momus like ppl miss carmody

i liked ilx more in 04/05. just my personal opinon4u.

-- blueski, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 23:07 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

It was certainly busier (and funnier). Today's not as dynamic or engrossing, but everyone's generally calmer so it's nice.

RIP doompatrol

Key dividers:

- DG starting ILE
- Move over from Greenspun
- BurmaKitty/Aja pre-Christmas 2003 mentalism (I think this was the start of some of the originators going 'okay fuck this', more than Becky and Calum)
- Formation of Noize Board/ILX the book wars
- Spambots Attack! and subsequently going reg-only
- Nu-ILX code

In terms of sheer nastiness I don't think any period tops mid-2004, when Andrew shut the board down, and late 2001, when a lot of the original posters were just starting to realise how much they disliked each other. 2008 is quite tame really.

xpost
I liked 2004/5. Sorry to burst everybody's bubbles but the various ers of ILX are marked by server breakdowns and post-sandbox exoduses

and late 2001, when a lot of the original posters were just starting to realise how much they disliked each other.

i wouldn't say it was 'a lot'

2008: WWE
2001: UFC
2004: LA riots

Christ is that burma kitty freakout nearly 5 years ago already.

2008 is quite tame really.

^^^

Okay some of the original posters, they made a disproportionate amount of noise anyway.

Okay some of the original posters usual suspects

more like it

Who else could ever have come close, really?

-- Pashmina, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:02 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Scottish guy, one eye, like Wu-Tang was for the children, forget his name.

-- Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 13:07 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

DENIED. Near-total lack of mega-meta handwringing over what to do about mo-mase shoots yr theory down, Dom.

If Calum turned up today someone would have quietly banned him after a handful of threads and everyone would have forgotten totally about two weeks later. But then it's simpler to do that now.

'he' did turn up: Banning people for being "not funny": Classic or Dud?

Calz will always have a dank, dingy place in my heart for CALLING ME ON THE PHONE to ask if I could remove some of his ILX work (since, being the owner of the domain name & all, I have that sort of clout).

Ah, to be young again.

I believe he was also threatening litigation during that time.

Ah.

Do people still do that?

I remember the days when random dudes would just appear from nowhere and threaten litigation because a photograph they took was posted on a jokey picture thread.

Callum vs Geir?

calum, because he left

2000-2004: babytalk, anglophila, hugglez, 50 word per post minimum. 9/11 happens.
2004-6: capital letters, anti Britisher backlash. I Love WWE briefly flourishes. Bush re-elected.
2006-8: Passantino raises meta/sociopath game, remaining vestiges of civility caught in pincer grasp, shot by both sides, on the run to the outside of everything (Livejournal). Esteban Buttez stops being funny and becomes poignant. Enrique quits ILX for a month.

Can we have another amnesty on real identities because once again I've totally lost track of who the fuck I'm talking to apart from Matt DC, Dom, Steve M and myself.

I am Ncik South@all.

Ned is still Ned, right? HI DERE is Dan P3rry, right?

There's a moderately successful thread for this

Buggered if I can remember what it's called

I am the least objectionable of WB Swyg4rt's seven ILX sock puppets

HI DERE is DP, yes. Ned remains Ned. Who else are you confused about?

i like mppppa more xp

That mong guy, King Boy Pato, countless others.

Passantino raises meta/sociopath game, remaining vestiges of civility caught in pincer grasp, shot by both sides, on the run to the outside of everything (Livejournal).

Hahaha REVISIONIST HISTORY, surely we all know Dom was one of the four or five most regular contributors to Poptimists for at least a year?

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lol forgot this.

Hahaha REVISIONIST HISTORY, surely we all know Dom was one of the four or five most regular contributors to Poptimists for at least a year?

-- Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:35 (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

It was me Austin. It was me all along.

That mong guy = former Esteban Buttez

It was a gradual thing, like when that whiny dude starts dressing in black in star wars, I'm simplifying

mppppa was a troubled man in his later years, it's a shame things didn't work out for him

said it before but Dom's rise to 'most popular ILXor' over the years = Rick Flair's '94 Royal Rumble victory

1992.

Marissa...

said it before but Dom's rise to 'most popular ILXor' over the years = Rick Flair's '94 Royal Rumble victory

-- blueski, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:37 (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

this is brilliant and right

Has anyone mentioned the the almost published (or was it actually done?) cafepress collection of threads that freaked a lot of people out? I seem to remember that a handful of people quit (or threatened to).

except for the year and the spelling of Ric

2002 - 2004: Matt DC/stevem/Ronan hotlink some paintings with quotes underneath. Someone gets butthurt. Proto LBZC.

real dead or just dead in wrestling???

Has anyone mentioned the the almost published (or was it actually done?) cafepress collection of threads that freaked a lot of people out? I seem to remember that a handful of people quit (or threatened to).

-- Savannah Smiles, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:39 (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Just a bit of fun.

said it before but Dom's rise to 'most popular ILXor' over the years = Rick Flair's '94 Royal Rumble victory

More like Chris Benoit's '04 Royal Rumble victory.

It'll be over soon and will all end in tears.

The big quit-ee over that cafepress thing (thankfully) came back after a little while.

let's be cool (xpost)

I failed to understand that painting thread, despite my best and most misplaced efforts.

More like Chris Benoit's '04 Royal Rumble victory.

It'll be over soon and will all end in tears.

-- King Boy Pato, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 14:40 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/seriouslyuncool/benoitguerrero.jpg

More like Chris Benoit's '04 Royal Rumble victory.

ILX as the Big Show, Passantino as the troubled future murderer slowly choking the life out of it, yeah that works

it was like the depiction in the painting matched the ilx thread title/post below it, metaphorically (xps)

i actually tried to buy that ilx book just to be an ass

Mr D@rni3lle left over that proposed book and then came back later.

Is there such a thing as a "Jagger period" to ILX?

i did actually publish an ilx book a few months after that - didn't tell anybody

Ja ja. Wo ist Herr Jaggers? Das junge menschen mit der prog rock und das hoover bags?

Dysons are bagless, Tom.

Is there such a thing as a "Jagger period" to ILX?

-- Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 13:46 (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

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Is there such a thing as a "Jagger period" to ILX?

It begins in a few weeks.

Dysons are bagless, Tom.

Ach, du liebe!

2000 - 2004 Pre Grout
2004 - 2008 Post Grout

It's his world we just live in it.

Marissa's being written out of ILX history

always hated that storyline

It scared me

the ol' "bored office workers poke mentally ill woman in the brain with a stick" arc, it recurs more than the steroids ones in Neighbours

Even more often than the young male teacher has forbidden relationship with female student storylines.

Fun Fact: Where they shoot Neighbours is the most boring place on earth

Strongo delete-a-thon

Is Billy Joel putting this to music?

I'll never forget what I was doing the day AMAZING RANDY first aired.

because you are him

Strongo delete-a-thon

-- baaderonixx, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 9:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yeah, who's a mod and when definitely demarcates certain eras (like the current one, "El Tomboto ban-a-thon").

It is 2008 and it is time for hard men.

is calum still considered the most memorable ilx troll?

He never impressed me much

I think B3cky Luc4s was the original and best.

Becky Lucas was spectacularly vitriolic. And fuck google-proofing her; she mistook me for someone else and had a right go at me.

So she wasn't all bad.

"We didn't honour the fire"

Gaping anal, Hulk smash
YSI boot mash
Mariesa, becky lucas
Fuck washing a hat

.....
El Tomboto ban-a-thon
I can't take it any more!!!!!

It's his world we just live in it.

otm

...We didn't 'honor the fire'

Personalised Results 1 - 10 of about 84,900 for "honor the fire". (0.37 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 60 for "honour the fire". (0.71 seconds)

guess so.

was b lucas even around for more than a fortnight?

Pre-being here
Post-coming here

I can't really imagine a world without ILX, time must have moved way too slowly. Kind of like having kids: suddenly times flies by.

What are b lucas greatest hits threads?

How does it feel to have your buthole fucked?

Never heard of her till now

Andrew N F listed nearly all of her threads about 5 posts in here:

"Becky Lucas": C or D?

I think the most outraged I've ever been over a troll post was over one of "her's".

The Becky Lucas Anthology looks a lot like The Anthony Easton Anthology.

Lazy zing:

There's nothing wrong with acting like a 14 or 15 year old girl.

-- Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 02:12 (Tuesday, 28 January 2003 02:12) Bookmark Link
unless you're a 40 year old man

-- luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 02:15 (Tuesday, 28 January 2003 02:15) Bookmark Link

aw luna was funny

to be honest the nu-code and ILX2 = probably the most significant demarcation, with a lot of login names being changed in the process

I'd just like to point out one thing (in a non-threatening, non-taking-the-piss manner) re: the "im me, hear my voice" schtick - you could really have anyone talking - no one would know if it was really 'becky', so perhaps this isn't the best way to prove your point?
-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:20 (5 years ago) Link

how did it take 3 hours for luna to come up on this thread?

I must admit I'd almost forgotten about becky lucas but she really was in a class of her own when it came to dishing out insults. Her dis of CJ, who's always been one of the nicest posters here, was astonishing in it's nastiness.

I really think that the formation of the Noise Board was perhaps the most important thing to happen to ILX in the last 5 years, for a variety of reasons. In my mind, it was the first sub-board to develop a community with a different feel and personality than that of the main ILM/ILE axis. Whereas boards like I Love Baseball and I Love Books were mainly a way to do ILE-like threads without cluttering up ILE, the NB approached the idea of posting on a message board in a different way, starting with a marked change in style: capital letters, image bombing, etc.

It also, perhaps more significantly, served as an incubator for zing culture and the explosion of meta. (I remember being surprised, back in summer 2004, by the fact that half of NB threads seemed to be about talking shit about other ILXors; now all that stuff seems par for the course throughout ILX as a whole.)

And considering that its core group of posters have been New Yorkers who frequently hang out together, I think it's helped accelerate the balkanization of ILX (not that other boards or threads haven't done the same).

I'm not saying that the NB is solely responsible for the differences between ILX in 2008 and ILX in 2000-03, but I think at the very least it was a locus, or a breeding ground, for a lot of the more significant shifts.

Also, none of that should be read as an indictment of the NB at all.

I've posted on the noise board abut twice, which is approximately 50% of the threads I've ever looked at. I barely ever stroll of ILM onto ILE, let alone anywhere else. Hence I find the whole noise board micro-community /other community thing quite weird.

the noize board era is over

but jaymc's right that the noize board influence is more pervasive than ever.

i miss nu-mid-old-skool noize

I liked the Oligocere Epoch best!

Nice one Stevie.

Genuinely interesting thread idea.

I don't know much about the Noise Board, am surprised to hear people talking it up - my ignorance is perhaps symptomatic. Many threads on it seem very very short; it doesn't seem to be a place for serious discussion. To be sure, life is not all about serious discussion.

Billy Dods isn't far off, in his taxonomy.

2000-2002 or so: yes, earnest discussion; considered paragraphs; people thinking hard and worried about hurting each other's feelings; danger of sentimentality, group hug threads etc

2003-2005 or so: still good. More Yanks around probably; NYC ilx became important scene - but London FAP scene also at its height. so, overlap between www and real life friendships / encounters. I liked ilx a lot at this time.

2006-present: not sure of dates, but generally downhill. Having gone away and lately dipped my toe back in it, I was amazed at the vitriol, the aggression, the poison in the waters. Also most posting has become lazier - people think it's fun just to write 'zing', 'wtf', '^^^this' or whatever. Perhaps this is part of a general www trend, or a general social trend; perhaps the people who started ilx were actually of a slightly older generation.

It sounds like I am being negative about how ilx is now - well, I am; I have been around long enough to have a valid view.

But there are still some good people posting fine words here and there: Nabisco most obviously perhaps.

ha, still think its funny when people say they don't "get" the noize board

people think it's fun just to write 'zing', 'wtf', '^^^this' or whatever

^^^ real talk

I barely ever stroll of ILM onto ILE, let alone anywhere else. Hence I find the whole noise board micro-community /other community thing quite weird.

likewise we find you weird for the opposite reason

Period 1 - should be the period up until the first "Is ILX going down the dumper?" thread.

http://www.bestreadguide.com/branson/images/091807/yakov.jpg

ILX has its Period way more than once a month. (xpost)

Therefore, I would say up until Feb 28th 2002:

Has ILE Gone Down The Dumper?

Periods aren't funny.

I think there's something to be said for the fact that so many of the same people have been through certain debates about certain topics enough times that we can skip to jokes and meta and shorthand much quicker now. Even the relatively new regulars like HOOS or J0rdan S. have spent so much time trawling through old threads that they've internalized the 'history' and get all "here we go again" when someone revives a thread that happened years before they came to the board. If everybody earnestly argued their side of an argument every single time it fired up, we'd just be a board full of Geirbots.

Also most posting has become lazier - people think it's fun just to write 'zing', 'wtf', '^^^this' or whatever. Perhaps this is part of a general www trend, or a general social trend; perhaps the people who started ilx were actually of a slightly older generation.

Part of this is less laziness and more the number of posters and volume of posting nowadays. You'll still get your big Nabisco or Finney thinkposts on, for example, ILM threads of slightly more select appeal, but on a lot of generalist threads the pace is so rapid that comments are out of context by the time they appear.

Eg on the Ken v Boris thread, I know I was only able to say something I'd actually thought through properly on the Saturday, when the election was over and there were fewer people posting. But the general cut and thrust of threads as big events happen is something to be treasured.

Anyway, back to the original question

2000-2002 - Earnest discussion

this seems right. any revived thread ive seen from this time seems full of heartfelt opinions and flirting. its kind of repulsive.

Nabisco in particular is a complete genius and I wish I paid more attention to him outside of ILM threads.

(xpost) A bunch of the early stuff doubtless seems weird, even VERY weird in retrospect, but it made sense at the time, with it being a small board, not google-indexed (people who showed up, like me in '01, seemed to find the place pretty much by accident, it was hard to find otherwise) very small number of posters, most of whom knew each other. I do miss that iteration of the board TBH, but I think that kind of community pretty much got killed off by web 2.0 (plz don't ask me to expand on this, it's, er, a feeling thing)

I really think that the formation of the Noise Board was perhaps the most important thing to happen to ILX in the last 5 years

I've never looked at it!

cloudy successor more like

quick recap:
Tom D was never impressed by calum
Tom D had never heard of becky lucas until today
Tom D has never looked at the noise board

But has Tom D ever been to him?

Funny that. I'm not trying hard enough obviously.

I think the inception of the first LOL thread was probably the start of another error.

xxxxp when yr bright enough, you dont have to flirt!

what about, like 1999?

Stock "Little Red Corvette"-related pun to follow.

I have heard of Calum and Becky Lucas, but never knowingly read or posted on any of those threads. Likewise BurmaKitty, whoever that is. I have read about the Luna controversy on that locationless watercooler thread, but cannot remember any actual posts from Luna, nor anything about her.

I'm kind of with you, Doc!

Pashmina et al - yes - but was it really that small? It felt big to me. I guess I don't know how big it is now.

Couple more thoughts:

1. it is amazing how long 2001 seems to have lasted - any number of memorable / long / interesting threads / posts seem to have happened then. And any number of people seem to have already been around then: for instance, I still kind of think of Nabisco and Hand as (excellent) latecomers, but they actually only appeared here a few months after I did. In fact, ha, classic instance of this is *Mark S*!!

2. I think the arrival of late ilx might somehow be gauged, if anyone could be bothered, by the progress or changing style of the geezer Enrique, or his various other names. But I cannot say much more about this as I have never paid sufficient attention I guess.

3. re. general atmosphere / trends nowadays: I think Stevie T has (as often) spoken well about this in the past, and suggested that Charlie Brooker is the sponsor of much modern attitudinizing. I guess cynicism is a relevant word. But maybe ST was talking about something else.

Pinefox, in the last week, we hit 6000+ registered users. Now, at least 1000 of those will be people who are looking for "guess papers", but still, it's a hell of a lot of people.

4000 of those are on crutis borad

the other 1000 are all heave

heaves ho vs. heave hos

heave's hos

Is pinefox D@ve St3lfox?

No.

Who the hell is Charlie Brooker.

I've just realized - the day ilx started its downward slide: the day Geordie Racer signed off for the last time!! I loved him.

charlie brooker is a television personality

6000+ now posting will never die

he has the dream job of at least 50% of ILX - professional curmudgeon

XPOST

Is pinefox D@ve St3lfox?

-- Free Peace Sweet!, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 5:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

No.

-- Pashmina, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 5:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

That explains a lot.

He's (charlie brooker) a britishes television critic, style characterised by vitriol, bitterness, bitchiness, hyper-cynicism. Pinefox may have a point there, I think.

when did the era of ilx taking itself way too seriously start? and more importantly, when will it end?

i don't know, but i'd like to

It started in 2001, Kevin, and will end in 2036, when meteor apophis gives us all something more important to worry about.

This flirting thing passed me by.

GO METEORS!

geordie racer inspired my name. i miss him too. he was like a cross between Pashmina and mark s and Sundar, or something.

Someone will event a programme that will be launched on a satellite and ILX will go on for eternity.

ILX is a house party.

It started with a few close friends, some loose chatter, some genial discussion, some earnest viewpoints, a little drinkie, a little flirty....

A little while later, friends of friends turned up. people found likeminded souls, some grouping happened, some finger pointing, started to get a bit dark, but things went alright...

Then it kicked off. People threw pictures at each other! People legged it! Other people had other people outside! For fighting, whatever. Other people tiptoed upstairs. No-one sure whos house it was, actually.

Now? numbers reduced. uneasy calm. Some can't believe the cops haven't beaten down the door 2 hours ago. Some make attempts to tidy up a bit.

One day it will end. With Bailiffs, probably.

I think andy@grasshopper signing off coincided with the beginning of the 2006-present era.

There were always "rogue" elements Mark G.

rouge elements

I sound bitter.

light, but bitter.

Hand, how did the Racer inspire you?

I don't know! he was fun and strange.

I met GR a couple of times IRL, he's a real nice guy.

I mean, his name, Hand - you said he inspired you.

I remember, Pashmina, that you met him - that is good. I liked his enthusiastic, fun & strange posts as much as almost anyone's. I was so oddly touched when it turned out he was a passionate Newcastle United fan.

sorry, Hand: I mean, *your* name: you said he inspired it.

can we have an awards show?

omgosh

I was saying to Matt DC at poptimism that there seemed to be a brief window in maybe fall of 2005, not too long after I started posting, when London ILXors didn't seem to *all* hate each other.

We already had an awards show!

The ILE Awards - Categories
ILE Awards - The Nominations Ballot!
The ILE Awards
The ILE Awards, Live And Direct From Classy Central London
ILE Awards Ceremony: Analysis

well i didn't win any fucking award

i would vote for cutty

aw <3

That's binding, you know.

Things'll get better. It's just a bad patch.

-- electric sound of jim, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

I've only been regularly posting for a couple (or three) years (and lurking for a few years on and off before then and iirc people are always talking about the decline. I don't really see it like that. I think you tend to remember the threads that end in acrimony more than the ones that just fizzle out. And compared to - well almost every discussion board ever - this one is really quite good natured.

I think the idea that there have been eras is slightly flawed too. Certainly there are certain thread ideas which seem to come and go. I for one like nothing more than a good picture thread (berries and yellow stones and the ones about years spring to mind) and could take or leave most of the poll threads (except obviously any that I started - they are essential reading) but it's not like that defines ILX for me. I still know that if something is happened somewhere, someone will probably be on here talking about it. And what else could you want from a discussion board?

pinefox:

racer - Tracer.

That's the extent of it I'm afraid.

i've only known one era of ilx, and it can be a pretty grim place - not least when people keep on whingeing about how things aren't as good as they used to be - and as everyone knows it's a pretty unwelcoming place for newcomers (and old regulars too apparently), but as ned says there are enough good bits to keep you coming back...

is it wrong to like the zings?

Era 1: Three Worlds Meet

Era 2: Colonization and Settlement

Era 3: Revolution and the New Nation

Era 4: Expansion and Reform

Era 5: Civil War and Reconstruction

Era 6: The Development of the Industrial United States

Era 7: The Emergence of Modern America NOISE

Era 8: The Great Depression and World War ILX2

Era 9: Postwar ILX2 United States

Era 10: Contemporary United States

http://www.psyche.com/psyche/images/misc/freud_iceberg3_sm.gif

Note: Ego is free floating in all three levels.

Paleozoic
Carboniferous
Hamadryadic
Pencilsniffian

Different Trains is a three-movement piece for string quartet and tape written by Steve Reich in 1988. It won a Grammy Award in 1989 for Best Contemporary Classical Composition.
The work's three movements have the following titles:
America-Before the War (movement 1)
Europe-During the War (movement 2)
After the War (movement 3)
During the war years, Reich made train journeys between New York and Los Angeles to visit his parents, who had separated. Years later, he pondered the fact that, as a Jew, had he been in Europe instead of the United States at that time, he might have been travelling in very different trains.
Steve Reich's earlier work had frequently used tape, looped and played back at different speeds. However Different Trains was a novel experiment, using recorded speech as a source for melodies. This followed Scott Johnson's John Somebody of 1978, an early attempt to construct directed melodic motion by harmonising recorded speech.
In Different Trains, after each melody in the piece is introduced, usually by a single instrument (viola for women and cello for men[1]), a recording of the spoken phrase from which the melody derives is played. The melody is then developed for a while, with the instruments playing along with the recording of the phrase or part of the phrase. The music for the strings makes extensive use of paradiddles rhythms, with alternating pitches instead of alternating drum sticking. In addition to speech, the piece includes recordings of train sounds, as well as of sirens and warning bells.
The recorded speech that forms the basis for Different Trains is taken from interviews with people in the United States and Europe about the years leading up to, during, and immediately after World War II. In the first movement, America — Before the War, Reich's governess Virginia and Lawrence Davis, a Pullman porter, reminisce about train travel in the U.S. American train sounds are heard in the background. In the second movement, Europe — During the War, three Holocaust survivors (identified by Reich as Paul, Rachel, and Rachella) speak about their experiences in Europe during the war, including their train trips to concentration camps. European train sounds and sirens are heard in this movement. The American train whistles are long perfect intervals of fourths and fifths, while the European train whistles are mostly short triadic shrieks.[2] The third movement, After the War, features the Holocaust survivors talking about the years immediately following World War II, along with recordings of Mr. Davis and Virginia. There is a return to the American train sounds from the first movement.
Reich developed his 'speech melody' work further with projects such as The Cave (1993) and City Life (1995).
Reich created these works by transferring his speech recordings into a digital sampling keyboard (a Casio FZ-1). Musicians in the pop, dance and electronica fields had been using samplers for years, but this was one of the very first 'classical' works to use sampling. City Life actually used sampling keyboards in performance (rather than using a backing tape) and the samples are notated and played in exactly the same way as the conventional instruments.

hey guys lets paste some more "eras" of stuff

Oh, go on then, just one more...

# 1 The mid-1950s-early 1960s

* 1.1 Early British rock
* 1.2 1960s Garage rock
* 1.3 1960s Surf music

# 2 Rock as a counterculture movement (1963-1974)

* 2.1 Folk rock
* 2.2 Psychedelic rock
* 2.3 Progressive rock
* 2.4 Soft rock

# 3 The mid to late 70s

* 3.1 Hard rock and heavy metal
* 3.2 Arena rock
* 3.3 Punk rock
* 3.4 New Wave
* 3.5 Post-punk

# 4 Rock diversifies in the 1980s

* 4.1 Glam metal
* 4.2 Instrumental rock
* 4.3 Alternative music and the indie movement

# 5 Alternative goes mainstream (Early-mid 1990s)

* 5.1 Grunge
* 5.2 Britpop
* 5.3 Indie rock

# 6 Success of hybrid genres

* 6.1 Pop punk
* 6.2 Post-grunge
* 6.3 Nu metal and Rapcore/Rap rock

# 7 Present day (2000-present)

* 7.1 Internet influence
* 7.2 Garage rock revival
* 7.3 Post-punk revival
* 7.4 Emo
* 7.5 Metalcore
* 7.6 Comedy Rock

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I know ILX is always already down the dumper, but this is obviously true:

Having gone away and lately dipped my toe back in it, I was amazed at the vitriol, the aggression, the poison in the waters.

my ilx awareness only goes back to sept 28, 2003

Era I (pre): hate all the people who diss them
Era II (post): shot all the people who like them

What? Are you forgetting about the pocketful of posies? The little maids all in a row? What about all those lambs following ILX to school?

It's not all falling down a well and breaking crowns, you know.

when did ilx start taking ilx so seriously that anyone who does not communicate with ilx outside of ilx is regarded as a troll?

It isn't a universal malady, but more of a sporadic condition, like pimples.

communicate with ilx outside of ilx

wait whaaaaaat

yeah I tried to come up with an interpretation for that and I just couldn't. does he means FAPs? telepathy?

Could be referencing email exchanges, or phone conversations, or leaving calling cards on the front table, or singing telegrams, or a host of other possibilities.

i think he means people who only talk to ilxors on ilx and nowhere else

j0hn d that is my point exactly!

i post regularly to 3 msg boards other than this one & this is the only one where if you should ever zing someone people are like WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS YOUR BEEF DAWG instead of lol internet

apparently this fact pisses me off about once a month since banriquit somehow managed to irk me during the great april 77 pseudobeef of 2008

I think part of that comes from the fact that a lot of posters here have changed handles many times, or come up with 'sock puppet' aliases, so when you're arguing with an unfamiliar screenname the first thing you want to know is if it's a n00b or someone you already know and have an established rapport with (or grudge against).

what other messageboards to you post to, deez?

ILX, Aug 2000-present:

Whether an individual is status-seeking is important to know, because the most aggression in social heirarchies in many species is among members of the beta group, the status-seeking individuals who have not achieved dominance but are jockeying for position. For example, dominant male wolves rarely join in when the pack's middle-ranking wolves attack the scapegoat of the group. This bullying is common in a wolf pack and is usually initiated by the "beta male," who is second in rank after the alpha. Researcher Erik Zimen reported that male wolves in the alpha position almost always "showed an unusual degree of tolerance." (He found that there was more than three times as much aggression from the beta males as from any other position in the pack.

lololololololololol wau

hahahaha

100 scrappys and no spike in sight

i post regularly to 3 msg boards other than this one & this is the only one where if you should ever zing someone people are like WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS YOUR BEEF DAWG instead of lol internet

I dunno if this has to do with people knowing or not knowing you in real life rather than the general attitude of ILX. I think the majority of people here prefer, or at least used to prefer, a certain amount of politeness over "lol internet" zinging. Maybe this is different on other boards, but I don't think it's a bad thing if ILX differs from them regardin this.

thank you AB, for not being a douche - as ive said before, i not only dont have anything against anyone here but in fact like pretty much everyone, & am apparently naive for imagining everyone understands that by default

http://healthforumfordogsandcats.yuku.com/
http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-psmomspol
http://forums.midway.com/all_things_mk_shaolin_monks/b10705/p1

xp tuomas its more the degree to which people seem to believe its personal here as opposed to outright jokery, i apparently really really dont get the interconnections here which is why i posted what i did to this thread in the first place

thank you AB, for not being a douche

it happens so rarely, so I appreciate the recognition.

I dunno if this has to do with people knowing or not knowing you in real life rather than the general attitude of ILX. I think the majority of people here prefer, or at least used to prefer, a certain amount of politeness over "lol internet" zinging. Maybe this is different on other boards, but I don't think it's a bad thing if ILX differs from them regardin this. ought to maybe grow a pair.

grow a pair of...deeznuts?

http://www.drwho-online.co.uk/episodes/targetbook_fullcircle.jpg

That creature clearly needs to grow a pair.

Looks like those dudes are missing a pair.

(x-post)

Great minds think of great ball jokes alike!

On the other hand that's a hell of a schlong he's packing.

"great minds"

the noize board era is over

-- bell_labs, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 8:23 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

maybe but the nb is "back" in a big way imo.

there's clearly a face in that creature's stomach.

kuato?

KORITFW

some people here need to lose a pair

the nb is over because of shit nu ilx code

always blame the tool: a treatise on how I'm not a dick by JW

"there's clearly a face in that creature's stomach."

he whacked off and only then ate the baby.

tool

One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. A cretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-steem.

Ooookay, I'm beginning to sense that my posts are totally "huh". I mean, even when I'm rereading'em I think I'm not making sense. Fuck sleep deprivation. :-(

But anyway each era is marked by a day when we all go "Man, this board is going down the dumpster." When did we ever NOT complain about it?

VIVA SLEEP DEPRIVATION

see you next era

same as it ever was

era we go again ...

nabisco - 2.78

going down the only troll we've ever known.

like a lurker i've learned to read alone.
and i've made up my mind, i am wasting my time

Say goodnight to the ILX era...

i don't know where ilx's going
but I sure know it's been better
hanging on the promises in posts of yesterday.

i sometimes think of specific threads when i think of ilx, which makes any kind of evaluation easier. cuz different things happen on different threads -- and if i don't like a thread, i leave. so there has to be something to the idea that "ILX" isn't necessarily one qualifiable thing. it depends where you post.

always blame the tool: a treatise on how I'm not a dick by JW

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 4:27 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Sorry, but losing the ability to edit posts (which was not abused) was what killed it; you big old meanie

"big old meanie" is officially my favorite thing I've been called in months

it's so sweet these days, ILX.

JON WRITE THE CODE SO WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN FOR FUCKS SAKE

i think all users should have the ability to yellowcard anyone they want

oh wait the code is there only for certain mods right? yah thats pretty fucked up.

My care factor is pretty low at this point which is what they were hoping for anyway.

99% of ILXors have never been able to edit their posts, and I haven't really heard any major complaints about it. I think the lack of the edit option works for the conversational nature of ILX, which is also supported by the lack of avatars and other extra stuff.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6762/geirbotmw3.jpg

The Dishsoap Era
The Tipping Era
The Buybacks Era

there are two eras of ilx btw: before jagger and after.

I thought djmartian was the kind of person who would have to wait until Jan. 1 3001 to call 9/11 "the biggest event of the millenium"

Good lord, i've been on here for FIVE years now. FIVE years. Some of you I've talked to on the phone and who have called into my old radio show and bought things I'm proffering and let me stay on your couches and such.

I think I passed the five year mark too a couple of months ago.

perhaps the people who started ilx were actually of a slightly older generation.

ding ding fucking ding

ILX events that have changed my posting style/habits, personally:
1. Noise Board
2. IRE, guess papers era
3. The arrival of more confident young posters such as Louis Jagger and HOOS
4. Sandbox (I felt like I could get away with more)
5. 77 (obv)

xposts my 6-year anniv is coming up in November

it's a bit depressing to think that I'm going to be the first person who has spent more than 50% of his/her life on ILX (presuming it sticks around for another 8 years)

it's a bit depressing to think that I'm going to be the first person who has spent more than 50% of his/her life on ILX (presuming it sticks around for another 8 years)
-- Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, May 8, 2008 2:46 AM (8 years ago) Bookmark Link

^kinda hope i'm not around to see this revive

i've marked it down in my caledar

wait, what is 77?

I'll have been here coming up to 8 years soon - FUCK. ME.

don't worry, curtis, you won't make it

I'm convinced that I'm going to die within the next 24 hours.

I'm scared. I'M TOO YOUNG TO GO.
:(

-- Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, May 8, 2008 5:38 PM

Heh wasnt that one of your first classic revives gersh?

sorta, in that it really brought out the pro and anti revive factions : )

how could one be anti-revive

Hhaha yeah I think I went all captain save a bro on your ass over that one didnt I? Sorry.

It was the blurst of times.

It'll be 7 years later this summer for me, if I recall. Memorable first post.

Haha I remember your first posts, Nick.

I think I'm about a month and a half off hitting 7 years as well. Blimey. It's when people start to hit the decade milestone that it's all going to sink in.

Imagine what will happen when the ilx kids start posting.

I just found that thread again. I can remember typing those words but it doesn't seem like me who wrote them. How weird.

I'm sure some of them are at times, AA.

btw the faq should link to threads like this.

xp Oh god, yes.

I can't remember when I started posting. I lurked and posted anonymously for about a year or something. Bloody ages ago anyway.

sometimes I think the whole mess about meta gossip and secret boards and the drastically shifting rubicon of public/private 'lol internet' identity blah blah blah is entirely due to increasing #s of ppl on ilx who learned to use NCSA Mosaic before they grew pubic hair

and the fact that none of the mods are those people

I'm about 7 years also....I don't think I post much anymore though, or at least on any meta thread I don't feel as involved as I would have back in the day.

I think I fall firmly into the group of middle school ILXors. When I arrived here the board was already established and growing, but it still felt like there was only one group of ILXors. The big internal debates and (partial) division into subgroups of ILXors took place around 2004 and 2005, I think. I'm not saying if these two are related though.

i started posting on ILE in 2005, i think. i'm still trying to work out what the fuck is going on.

Wow really? I could swear you'd been here as long as I have!

hmm: maybe it was late 2004, but i'm pretty sure it was later. i started posting to ILM in 2004 -- i'm certain of that -- but ignored ILE for quite a while.

I started posting to ILx in 1974 but the tickertape got stuck.

I've been here off and on since 2001, mainly on ILM rather than ILE.

I did a search through my old questions originally asked recently and an ILM question about music in Matalan made me feel a bit melancholy. Turned out my wife and I were shopping in Matalan in April 2004 and I heard a piece of music I didn't recognise and asked the knowledge base and it was Gil Scott-Heron, I think. But the detail in my initial post made me jump, because I mentioned that my wife bought a top for her mum, who was dying of cancer at the time. She never wore the top my wife bought, but was buried in it at my wife's request a month later. Reading the post and remembering the details choked me up a bit.

Sorry to get maudlin.

There are a lot of entries like that.

Trayce, some people fit seamlessly because they have ties to OG posters (that's Original Glesga).

http://www.reelfilm.com/images/zelig.jpg

l-r: nick, me, ailsa.

(actually: my ties to ILX are weirder than that, and begin in edinburgh, not glasgow. but hey.)

Yeah I think I link certain groups of people in together knowing they all know each other IRL - I mean it's a similar thing with the mongrels - I'm here because of ESOJ for example (I knew him outside of ILX and I remember him complaining about B3cky Lucas heh)

cheers, grimly :-/

HAHAHAHAH i had to weigh up "which will potentially upset ailsa more? being herbert hoover or not being cited as an OG" :)

i hope i chose the right one :/

I find women don't mind too much when you say they look like Herbert Hoover

I'm not even an OG! I was well-beaten to this place by madchen (though she wasn't even in glasgow then, so doesn't count), rjg & ally c

What Trayce said. haitch lured me here.

so if haitch remembers when he started I might have some idea.

aye, but ally and RJG haven't posted for ages (have they?) so: you're as OG as it gets.

more so than nick, actually, 'cos he was in london too, wasn't he?

sometimes I think the whole mess about meta gossip and secret boards and the drastically shifting rubicon of public/private 'lol internet' identity blah blah blah is entirely due to increasing #s of ppl on ilx who learned to use NCSA Mosaic before they grew pubic hair

I honestly couldn't tell you how long meta gossip has been going on as I only found out about 99% of it after it went meta-meat after the luna scandal

unless you're talking about meat gossip

meta-meta* lol

the secret boards thing just pushed it into meta^3 gear

According to Steiner, originally there was no solid matter at all; and then the Earth and solar system slowly condensed through the stages of first fire, then air, then liquid, then finally solid matter. Even as late as the early Lemurian period, the world was still not as solid as it is now, and the Earth and moon were a single large mass. According to Steiner, "Ancient Lemuria was a continent between the present continents of Asia, Africa, and Australia, and was inhabited by a very different humanity." Of course, the idea of Lemuria and the Lemurian Root Race comes originally from Blavatsky, who in turn was influenced by the 19th century Darwinist Ernst Haekel, who had suggested a hypothetical continent to explain the distribution of lemurs! Thus obsolete science forms the foundation for Theosophical, Anthroposophical, and New Age "fact".

Now, according to Steiner, early Lemurian man was a sort of only semi-physical amorphous or jellyfish-like aquatic form, not yet possessed of individual consciousness. Interestingly, the whole environment and picture of the organisms (nominally called "man") reminds one of imaginative scenes of life on Jupiter postulated by some scientists a decade or so ago. It was supposed by those scientists that jellyfish-like forms could exist and drift in the thick and ocean-like atmosphere of Jupiter. Now the search for life has shifted to speculation regarding oceans on Europa beneath vast layers of ice. The tremendous magnetioc field generated by Jupiter would however make any organic life on that moon unlikely.

It was only during the Lemurian Era, Steiner claims, that the moon seperated from the Earth. As Steiner explains it, as the earth-moon body became denser, "the human substance now to be found there became too hard and ligneous to enable them to incarnate." (Luke 82) Fewer and fewer human souls were powerful enough to utilize the hardening earthly bodies. Finally only "one main pair retained sufficient strength to master the stubborn substance and to incarnate on the Earth through the period when the Moon was separating from the Earth." (Luke 83).

"Spiritual Science independently confirms the Adam and Eve account of the bible." Paul E. Chu exclains (Life Before Birth, Life on Earth, Life After Death, p. 98). Which makes you wonder at the rational capacities of certain Anthroposophists. (First, they take Steiner's word as goiospel truth. Then, they take the Gospels as gospel truth! ;-)

"It became necessary to remove the densifying forces in the earth-moon which was still in a warmth-vapor-fluidic state...Towards the middle of Lemuria, the seventh leading Spirit of Form, at a tremendous sacrifice of not continuing his normal development on the sun with those of His Hierarchy, "chose another task for the benefit of humanity. This being took out the densest of the earth-moon forces, together with the matter connected with those forces and separated our moon out, leaving our present earth."

"This event caused a great revolution. The objects which surround man lost a great part of their heat. These objects thereby entered into a coarser and denser substantiality. Man must live in this cooler environment." (Cosmic Memory p.136).

Following the ejection of the moon the Earth was able to attain a more solid form. In this respect at least, Steiner's position is the opposite of Blavatsky's. According to Blavatsky the moon is actually the "corpse" of the Earth from the preceeding cosmic cycle, and hence much older than the Earrh. According to Steiner the moon is much younger than the Earth, and was thrown off from it. This is actually a now-disproved theory of lunar formation that was popular in Steiner's day, hence we see how his supposed "clairvoyance" simply reflects very often his own understanding of the world, rather than being an objective analysis of it.

Paul E. Chu explains (Life Before Birth, Life on Earth, Life After Death, pp.99-100) that

"The separated moon forces would have hardened the human entities and would have prevented his development in the right way. This Spirit of Form thus works on man from outside since then, just as the sun beings do. This Being is the Elohim known as Jehovah in the Old Testament. Jehovah is the Regent of the Moon who guides mankind's development from that sphere."

Interestingly, Ann Ree Colton refers to Jehovah as the "race lord" who is associated with the Swadhisthana chakra and the Moon, and who stirs up wars and stuff every so often. Her association of Jehovah with the Moon seems to indicate influence from either Steiner or Theosophy (in any case Theosophical concepts are marked in her work, and her description of the aura is astonishingly like that of Leadbeater).

"After the separation of the moon, substantiality increases....During the Lemurian epoch, man assumed a form which made it possible for him to develop his fourth principle, the Ego."

The Ego was the gift to humanity of the six leading Spirits of Form who had made the sun their sphere of activity. They sacrificed their substance, the Cosmic Ego, and gave man a "drop" of this ego. The totality of these six Sun Beings is called in our age, CHRIST."

"Before the separation of the moon with its densifying forces, no ego could live in the human bodies on earth."

Here we have a Gnostic and Manichaean concept, the "Divine Spark" as an emanation from teh Gods or fromn a Divine being who incarnated in Earth. In Kabbalah likewise, especially the Zohar, the Neshamah or Divine Soul is a spark of Binah, the Divine Understanding.

There is an inconsistency in Steiner's teachings in that he elsewhere refers to the Cosmic Christ giving man an individual ego only with the incarnation and crucifiction of Jesus. Such discrepancies are very common in his teachings.

"After the moon separated there is a transformation of the human form. Those organs which previously had served for nutrition and reproduction are transformed into organs of speech and thought. Man has become upright." (Cosmic Memory pp.136-7)

Hermann Poppelbaum and other Anthroposophistst make the interesting suggestion that the first appearance of bipedalism in animals on Earth (among Triassic thecodont reptiles) was actually an Earthly reflection of the ethereal man standing upright!

After the separation of the Moon, earth as we know it today began. Because of this, the Anthroposophist E. Haegmann identifies the second half of the Lemurian epoch with the Precambrain and early Paleozoic eras, rather than (as Poppelbaum does) the Mesozoic era. This results in a time-scale of almost Young Earth Creationist minisculeness.

Steiner taught there was a reversal in the appearance of the kingdoms on earth "After the moon's withdrawal, the entire plan of evolution appears in reverse." (John 61). Anthroposophical cosmology asserts that man (or mineral man) appeared first on Old Saturn, then animals came into existence in a rudimentary stage on Old Sun, the plant kingdom was added on Old Moon, and the mineral kingdom precipitated in the Earth condition. But now the mineral kingdom revivified first, then the plant kingdom, then the animal kingdom, and finally the human kingdom.

The animal souls united with the earthly bodies too soon, as the bodies were too hardened and had not been sufficiently revivified by the sun forces, and the animals became fixed in their forms. The astral qualities or instincts worked in a moulding way on the astral currents, then on rarified air, then on the cloud-like-fluidic substances. Finally when the earthy materials precipitated out, the forms became fixed because the instincts united with the physical bodies. The astral qualities and instincts determined the physical form of each animal species. Each animal species reveals an inner quality is expressed in its form. Into these forms had been built all the wisdom in the Old Moon period by the Spirits of Wisdom. The astral qualities were already present on Ancient Moon before there was solid matter. But only on earth is there the solid state of matter and this permeated the astral forms to produce the visible animal species. These astral qualities, according to Steiner, are in reality exudations of the human astral qualities developed on the Old Moon stage. They take on separate physical form, thus freeing human beings for higher development.

The animal kingdom, therefore, are those beings which take out from humanity numerous retarding astral qualities and concentrate them within the animal species. Mankind therefore, owes to the animal kingdom the possibility of developing to higher stages unhindered by all the hampering, retarding astral qualities precipitated out by the animal kingdom.

Steiner's explanation of the incarnation of the animal kingdom is interesting, because it forms the basis of a sort of Goethian zoology, or zoosophy, brilliiantly elaborated by Hermann Poppelbaum.

Steiner describes at some length the society developed by the late Lemurian human beings. These returning souls, who had previously sought refuge in the various the planetary spheres, grouped themselves in oracles known by the names of their planets, as Saturn Mysteries, Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, and Venus. Steiner explains that all these were found in the ancient world and were the beginning of the modern races. This of course makes very difficult the arguments of those who have tried to integrate the Anthroposophical and Scientific timescales. Generally the Lemurian is identified with the Mesozoic (and sometimes also the Paleozoic) eras. We know of course that no human fossils of any sort have been found from these relatively early stages in the history life. Theosophical and Anthroposophists writers, like Poppelbaum and others, argue this is because man (unlike animals and plants) had not yet materialised at this stage, but still continued in the etheric plane. This however is not what Steiner says. Whilst Poppelbaum's account of the Lemurian era is interesting and imaginative (if quite dated as regards his conception of dinosaurs), Steiner's description of the same era reveals a completely different reality. Steiner refers to fantastical and ridiculous elements, such as the degenerating forces spawned by the developing human consciousness that created great fire storms and destroyed the continent of Lemuria. (this seems a rehash of the theosophical myth of teh Atlanteans destroying their continent through mis-use of psychic powers). Seen from this perspective, as a sort of imaginative, mythopoetic, and dream--like consciousness, Steiner's Lemurian Era is rather more reminiscent of transpersonal psychologist Ken Wilber's "Typhon" or "Body-Ego" stage of psychogenesis, indicating that both are tapping into the same psycho-mythic reality

dunno who this Steiner dude is, but he sounds a bit of a nutjob.

brilliant

Back to Curt1s's meat gossip

wtf is the "secret board" and the luna scandal? I feel like I need a big wiki page to fill me in on editions of the ILX comic I haven't got.

I was thinking the same thing but didn't ask. I think the luna thing was implied in another thread of mine I shan't be revisiting, but I didn't understand it then.

The luna thing happened here.

Not location specific, No rules: Welcome to ILX heaven

warning: you have to have a lot of spare time.

I've read that thread before but still didn't work out what the big scandal was.

xpost Nick: Secret boards are just for the elite, nothing to be concerned about for ordinary folk like us.

wtf is the "secret board" and the luna scandal?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/375340724_bb60431917.jpg

Fuck me, 4000+ posts.

Is it worth wading through them? Can't someone just summarise for us?

No and No

Fair enough then. I was going to say 'please' but I don't think it'll make any difference.

There's an ILX poster called Luna who flirted with some guys
Chaki pointed out she was fake
Then shit started poppin'
And a bunch of people QUIT ILX FOREVER for two weeks

very brief? Luna suggested meeting someone, but never turned up even though she said the was 2 streets away or something. suggestion was made that she was not as she described herself. At which point she left never to return, and then things got heated.

Zat fair a summary?

xpost

Why did they get heated?

Why did they get heated?

-- Tom D., Thursday, 8 May 2008 13:17 (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

They got heated because it's here.

On second thoughts I don't really want to know

1 chaki says luna is fake

2 luna leaves ilx in a huff

3 chaki w/some prodding reveals that luna has had internet romances w/a number of ilxors then been a no show when theyre supposed to finally meet in person

4 more details from chaki: shes posted fake pictures of herself and stalked chaki at his work

5 a number of long time ilx regulars are all lol of course shes fake duh

6 her friends get pissed

7 some truly strange clusterfucking ensues

-- jhøshea, Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:38 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Link

and the secret board thing was about secret boards, and how unfair it is that there should be secret boards and why didn't I get invited to a secret board and oh noes it will destroy teh fabric of ilx etc etc.

I'm glad I use ILM more.

Without sounding like Nick's parrot, er... ditto.

One of the secret borad threads got to somewhere between 328976428374639284765239847562834 and 328976428374639284765239847562837 posts before being deleted.

and it was fantastic

Thanks for the Luna summaries - I never really knew that story.

I don't think it's true that that was any kind of pivotal ilx moment: may have been important for a few individuals, but don't think it had significant causal FX in general.

Main thing really somehow is old people leaving / withdrawing (eg Carmody, Dr C, Racer whoever - and me for that matter), new people arriving (I don't know 'em but they're all over the place), and existing people (Enrique?) changing to match the new people.

http://www.youtube.com/user/geriatric1927

I already mentioned on my webpage I don't seem to have trousers anymore.

It's the "best" Wire quote ever because it's so out-there stupid. Isn't that a bit obvious? I don't believe it was brought up in the context of being funny or intelligent, unless I've completely misunderstood carsmilesteve (that's a mouthfull, can I call you Steve?).

The crap Nicky used to spew was funny in the day, in general, because it was such a contrast to the sort of mamby-pambyness that littered the scene. The problem is, he's gotten far too old to STILL be doing it; he's gone from being a twat to being just sad. Poor thing.

-- Ally, Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:00 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Link

http://scoopsnoodle.com/adam_schefter/adam_schefter2.jpg

-- the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, May 4, 2007 1:33 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

existing people (Enrique?) changing to match the new people.

-- the pinefox, Thursday, May 8, 2008

Enrique has certainly seemed a lot happier the last 6 months or so that is for sure! Though whether that is because ILX has become friendlier more recently or because his personal situation has improved who knows!

Happier? What was he like before?

I dunno he always seemed a little down to me in the past

And now he is bursting with a joyful love of life and humanity is he? Can't say I've noticed.

ILX went through a bit of a psychedelic phase a while ago. Lots of backwards threads, some 'backward/forward' ones, general dislocation from reality...

If ilx has become friendlier more recently, I'm glad I wasn't here last year. I have never known it less friendly than now.

Oh! I see what you mean. I meant maybe Enrique (and possibly others) found it friendlier. It does seem a bit less friendly you might be right. I'm sure most people here would gladly help out if anyone had a problem though

I guess it's true, Enrique does seem happy, in that he presumably enjoys attacking people, putting things down, issuing scorn and producing negativity. But I don't think he used to be like that - he used to be more like Stevie T or Cozen - a sophisticated cinephile type who could be very positive about things. Or maybe I am misremembering, or never paid enough attention.

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No he was a sophisticated cinephile type who enjoyed attacking people, putting things down, issuing scorn and producing negativity. And Lost. There is no new/old Enrique divide.

Cluster Gang: Four Horsemen
LBZC: D-Generation-X

No, I think there is a bit of a divide

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'He says "lol old-ILX"???'

Probably need to poll the best Enrique-eras.

I think maybe he enjoys challenging people and getting the best out of them. Perhaps he likes to play a kind of devils advocate type figure.

He is failing in his goal in that case

http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/files/2006/11/manners.jpg

'I disagree with your views on the Gold Standard. Good day Madam."

It was the Gold Standard wot won it for Boris.

(That wasn't really intended as an attack per se, most of us enjoy pouring scorn on and producing negativity about things)

(you might! hurr)

http://geekswhodrink.com/blog/media/Care_Bears_Easter.jpg

Suggested new LBZC direction

bugger, thread moved too quickly for this to have the same impact. can you all pretend it went in after the gold standard one? ta.

http://sparky.thehold.net/pix/061205pertuises.jpg

"i warned you, sirs! zing! ZING!"

DC: yes, I suppose you do - except when you are reporting on the BEST NIGHT EVER - 24 HOURS OF BANGING SOUNDS - THE PARTY DOESN'T STOP!!! AND IT'S THE WEEKEND AGAIN NEXT WEEKEND!!!

you can be quite positive at those times, and when Aaron Lennon has just scored - though I guess that's not very often.

now yr learning

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OLD ILX WOULD NEVER HAVE STOLEN BANDWIDTH

The LBZC crew prepare to face another tough day out on the messageboard battlefront:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/apprentice/images/resized_images/070606_re_tx11recap_main_358x265.jpg

Lee McQueen is zinging.

The bottom's fallen out of the zing market of late

Rio Tinto Zing reporting heavy reverses

I blame the sub-prime zing market in the US.

Squeaky bum time for zingers everywhere

To be fair the Government is doing its best to keep the zing market buoyant.

I know I was on ilm at the very moment the second plane hit the wtc - writing something completely inane:

both indie & alt were once simply "college rock" (around here, anyway)
-- fritz, Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00 AM (6 years ago)

(that time of day is london time, right?)

so I've been on and off since 2001. it's about the same as it was then, maybe one interesting discussion a week or so, the rest has always been mostly random weird dada shit on one end of the spectrum and ultra-banal office cooler/tv/LOL shit on the other. Nothing really wrong with either thing, and I've contributed a fair bit of both I'm sure. I have no idea who Jagger or Luna were (or most of the apparently famous upstarts mentioned here) or what their schtick was, so I guess I've learned to ignore a lot of shenanigans. I think I'm mainly ignored too, thank Christ, so it goes both ways. I'd like to think people were less zing-y and more thoughtful way back but I kind of doubt it.

i phoned michael philip philip philip Philip annoyman and he agrees that enrique has got worse

I had the impression we once read each other's comments before posting, but I might have dreamt it.

(that time of day is london time, right?)

All the exact timestamps for Greenspun-era posts got lost (not sure if it was in the move away from Greenspun or by ILX2 nu-code) and replaced by midnight.

HI FRITZ!

hello!

HI DERE, fritz doesn't even know who you are anymore.

Weren't you the guy who had the shitty sockpuppet who accused everyone of being racist? xp

We need to go back to those days of thoughtfulness for others.

god i'd totally forgotten about the poxy fule times

i don't know who hi dere is

Yes you do. And hi dere Fritz.

who's hi dere?

Dan Perry.

Who is Enrique? What user names?

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good thing I italicized that

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Oh! Hey dere, Dan! Still rockin' the porky pig-style, I hope.

Enrique = "that one guy who hit it and quit it" also "banrique" also some others I forget.

Hey Fritz. It's always a pleasure to see you posting.

Still rockin' the porky pig-style, I hope.

roffle

You're right, Doc.

Wait a minute - is that right, the Enrique geezer is also 'that one guy'? I had no idea. I could have sworn I saw the latter name posting recently.

It is quite confusing re. people changing their names.

What is LBZC? The fact that this has come along in the last year or whatever, and someone who was on ilx when it started doesn't know what it is, an example of our being in a different era.

The "LBZC" = the adolescents upstairs at the back of the double-decker bus.

I'm right? How?

Oh that's Enrique, is it? Never really taken any notice of him before.

Only five people ever use the term 'LBZC', so I wouldn't worry about it.

I came here for the nude Aaron Carter pix, (which gave me a Aardon)...but stayed for the LBZC effluvium.

-- dell, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 16:24 (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

Larry Blackmon's Zany Cameo

I saw Enrique last night. He's still in mourning for 1998 but reasonably chipper.

says the guy named after a DODGY ALBUM

what, for the Dodgy album?

XPOST DAMN YOU!!!

hey fritz your solange knowles gag from way back was funny. if i remember right.

Who is Dingbod?

it was kinda funny. i think i was loaded.

Who is Dingbod?

Marcello

I'll pour one out for the fleeting Dom video game poll era and it's lack of meta-bullshit.

thanks jaymc.

Where is Beatles Band?

I am concern that Comstock Carabinieri am not appearing in scene of big ILM sounds recently.

sometimes I think the whole mess about meta gossip and secret boards and the drastically shifting rubicon of public/private 'lol internet' identity blah blah blah is entirely due to increasing #s of ppl on ilx who learned to use NCSA Mosaic before they grew pubic hair

"meta gossip" is a pretty standard movement that begins to emerge after certain kinds of "classical" or "neo-classical" periods and is fragmented, deconstructive (in a way), self-concerned, pushing ideas and tropes to their breaking point. dom is just the aristophanes/vasari/beckett of ILX.

What is LBZC? The fact that this has come along in the last year or whatever, and someone who was on ilx when it started doesn't know what it is, an example of our being in a different era.

-- the pinefox, Thursday, 8 May 2008 15:29 (25 minutes ago) Link

I think you're incorrect in assuming the majority of ILXors know about "LZBC." It gets tossed around by a few select posters but that's it.

and that's not even because ILX has gotten more injokey. I never got the in-jokes in 2002/3 either.

Fine: I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't know what it means.

I've read Samuel Beckett, and Dom P -- he's no Samuel Beckett.

sometimes i try to be the candide of ilx and imagine that we are always in the best of all possible worlds*

*this is why i am not a mod

Passed me by too, but if it keeps the kids happy who am I to quibble? (xposts)

yeah, ive read a lot of english literature, and ilx, its no english literature

i'm gonna be seeing Endgame soon

what do the L and the C stand for, i have forgotten?

(B=Britpop; Z is of course Zing)

lazy/culture

Lol Coxhill !!

La lutta continua

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/images/artists/lol_coxhill.jpg

for some reason i had Lesbian Britpop Zing Club in my head. but no Curt1s is correct.

ouch i should learn to punctuate.

i think its "lol" not "lazy"

as in "lol, britpop"

max is even correcter.

I always thought it was Larry Bowa.

shit, I thought it was Long Blondes Zinging committee, we had a dude on the inside and everything

Is Louis still banned?

(or self-banned I mean)

Lou Bega Zubaz Collective

Little Boys' Zipper Contest

Louis Banned Zealot Committee

love being zo cunty

A+++

London Boris Tory Cunt

Let's Be Zingin' Custoses

For a long time, I thought it was a band I'd never heard of.

Custos' name was very much hanging ominously over this recent portion of the thread

Lords Epsilon Custos, not Lord Epsilon Custoses, surely?

2x Whoppers Junior

loners bring zero charisma

OG zinger brings the goods

wow, and to just think that lou13 jagz will be back in a coupla weeks, rising from the dead like jesus

I like that crazy kid.

louis back: zings! cripes

I'm an honorary Lol, Britpop Zing Crewer.

I love Louis.

Me heart him too.

I have nothing bad to say whatsoever about that jagaman.

me neither: i'm genuinely looking forward to his glorious return.

it's Lazy Zing Britpop Curmudegons for me

the return of LJ will make things really confusing for HOOS, he'll always think we're talking about his fish.

i imagine dom will end up as krapp.

end up?

Ling Bert Zing etc etc

(what I thought it was, for the 12 seconds that I cared)

I just can't wait to see my mans and them and see what their plans are, who they got...I'm not talking about those mans, I'm talking about my gangster friends. They got some instructions to follow out

gawker era,fin

The Golden showers of Internet comes to a close?

there are two eras of ilx btw: before jagger and after.

― chaki, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 11:44 PM (7 years ago)

do you see him as a christ-like figure?

there are two eras of ilx btw: before dr. morbius and after.

before noize & after

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21797466/Confessions-Of-A-Moderator

t's a bit depressing to think that I'm going to be the first person who has spent more than 50% of his/her life on ILX (presuming it sticks around for another 8 years)
-- Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, May 8, 2008 2:46 AM (8 years ago) Bookmark Link

^kinda hope i'm not around to see this revive

― J0rdan S., Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:50 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nostrosargeus.

an aside: it's interesting (and a little frightening) to realize that some of us oldsters have watched a bunch of ILXers grow up in our midst.

http://www.earth-time.org/StrataColumnRayTroll.jpg

That schematic omits the pencilsniffian era.

The era before Twitter was invented was pretty cool. I still can't get over the feeling that writing anything about a Tweet is perhaps the worst use of my limited time on Earth possible.

Seeing them used as news source items is particularly depressing. Youre professional journalists. You can do better than pasting what some shmo from Peoria thinks about the item in question.

bannet

The era before Twitter was invented was pretty cool. I still can't get over the feeling that writing anything about a Tweet is perhaps the worst use of my limited time on Earth possible.

yeah god imagine posting about a post

Lol @ vestigial post at the beginning there oops

xp that confessions of a moderator link was a good read

xps enlisting the opinions of randos to give a news story a bit of vague colour and idk relatability is a time-honoured practice tho. not to say that people don't abuse the 'here's what was said on twitter' option but at least now we can check it was something an actual human said

can't we do that LESS with tweets than…????