Isolated / undiscovered tribe found in Brazil

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/americas_enl_1212096773/img/1.jpg

Cool huts!

Huts isn't really the right word though- long houses would be better...

I was thinking they reminded me of Viking houses, but when I think about it they don't really. They are cool, though.

I wonder what the tribespeople made of the plane? Possibility for a cargo cult type thing one would think!

It looks like they thought "oh no, dangerous enemy!" I don't think you can have a cargo cult without contact, anyway.

New tribe primary beverage tango - reuters 11:36.

The blue guy seems kinda lonely among the red dudes. Maybe he's the gay member of the tribe?

Or is that a woman?

Are they holding bows up? They're probably a bit freaked out by the vehicle flying overhead.

I think I see a Starbucks coffee cup.

Yeah bows.

Previously isolated tribe in Brazil - what's on your iPod?

Max Romeo - Chase the Devil

These people know more about the internet than Gordon Brown.

I think the fact that nobody has contacted them is interesting. Too many thoughts bouncing around in my head in different directions to say why at the moment, though.

Also, I started a thread for pictures of cool houses like these: Houses and roofs made of plants! (picture thread)

I assume they are very isolated indeed if some people doubt their very existence.

Hoax?

Unreleased stills from Apocalypto.

Lost season finale gamechanger spoilered.

I will be really disappointed if this is a hoax. Like, it's in some way related to my faith in humanity.

Have they got a Facebook yet?

Have they heard that Louis J is back on ILX yet?

Why would it be a hoax? It's not April Fool's day or anything. And "more than half the world's 100 uncontacted tribes live in Brazil or Peru" so it's not like they're unique, one-off, never seen before or since.

The article implies the Brazilian government knew they were there.

Those pictures were taken just after they heard about chaki's meltdown.

Well there is a difference between undiscovered and uncontacted. But you're suggesting they said to some contacted tribe "hey go out and shake yr sticks when we fly over"?

it could be a hoax, it's been done before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasaday

So, who's going to contact them, catch one, dissect him, turn them into christians? Or are we going to leave them alone? (too late now, they had to fly low to have their stupid pictures, didn't they? *shakes head*)

I bet they have seen planes before, but have just not been contacted.

It kind of sucks being them... if they are contacted, half of them will die of pneumonia and influenza, and if not then they get to spend the rest of their lives living as hunter gatherers. Eh, that makes it sound like the ones who don't die of influenza after being contacted will all be living like Paris Hilton, but I'll wager the survivors most-likely post contact social state would be wage slaves in some mining project.

it could be a hoax, it's been done before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasaday

-- Grandpont Genie, Friday, May 30, 2008 11:33 AM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

also this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71D4T0C173L._SL500_AA280_.gif

I'm willing to believe a completely isolated tribe would be totally freaked out by a fucking plane flying right above them, and possibly circling as well to enable the photographers to get a decent shot.

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yes, i just reminded you this movie existed *evil laugh*

I used to live next door to the guy who wrote the original book!

"I wonder what the tribespeople made of the plane?"

argh mel gibson! ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

Argh Ant and Dec! Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

"angelina and madonna, you're not getting any of my kids!"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/image_maps/08/1212000000/1212143250/img/brazil_tribe_786.gif

nice one bbc.

phew! they saved my brain some work

I just sent in an Archer and got 50 gold.

that woman can totally be upgraded to an axewoman

I'm going to see if they'll trade that cotton supply for horses.

Krippendorf's Tribe was a great movie!

Jarl has declared war on Finland

this thread is roffletastic!

They're going to be arrested for tax evasion.

YOU CHOOSE DEATH OR MALOCAS

What would suck so much about remaining hunter gatherers?

Don't knock it until you've known nothing else your whole life.

I'd love to lead a group to meet them, all dressed up as conquistadors and teach them of the outside 17th century world.

How many junior researchers do you think were assigned to the taxing ask of counting the men?

That expensive private education wasn't wasted after all

I laughed way too much at the term 'illegal logging'

Illegal Logging Lol Blog

Perhaps the two dudes with the bows are guarding the river of chocolate (just off camera).

lol

srsly how do they get orange

They're supporting the Dutch team in Euro 2008

Tiny Protestant enclave in a country of 10 million Catholics, no wonder they're defensive.

Guy in 'copter just told them that Rangers have blown the quadruple

Is this thread racist? I feel a bit uncomfortable now.

is that chick dyed too? that cant be natural pigment

xp uhhh i hope not?

BRGuido

Also out of shot: Werner Herzog forcing half the tribe to pull a boat over a hill.

Is this thread racist?

Only in the way that everyone who says something negative about Israel is antisemitic.

more pics here http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Uncontacted-Amazonian-tribe-photographed/sm/events/wl/052908amazontribe/photo/1;_ylt=Ag4qBLDeelrl2NhDL5aKPD9gWscF

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080530/i/r1954519701.jpg?x=400&y=268&sig=oxJGjkHulOLVcIIeD52stg--

I don't follow. If it's racist then surely it's racist in a 'pointing and laughing at something we don't quite understand' way.

I'm not doing that, can't speak for anyone else

telling racist joke != being a racist

(at least, it wasn't ten years ago, before the world started becoming maybe a little too sensitive to everything)

i wish there were a way to drop a really secret microphone onto their village so we could learn about them without disturbing them or giving them pox.

learn there language and figure out what the deal is with the reds and blues.

On the news report they said the pictures where taken after their 2nd fly over, the first time they flew over they didnt have the war paint on, i guess either they were expecting to be attacked or 'gods' were coming to visit

are you colorblind??? xp

Think the reds are boys and the blues are girls.

damn their sexist stereotypes

I worry about how long they will actually remain uncontacted now.

Apparently they all fled when they first saw the plane, and when it passed back over shortly after, they was all painted up and ready to fight.

I always wonder with people's like this just how uncontacted they are. Do they know the people down the road dense forest path, if not in Rio.

Surely being integrated into modernity is a matter of degree, not an absolute? Do you trade with or war with people who trade with people who trade with loggers or whatever, and so do you hear about it nth hand. It's not like you either have never seen or heard of modernity or you have a McDonalds.

(sorry, no racist funnies)

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080530/i/r1954519701.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Bling-Bling_Skywriting_David_Shankbone.jpg/800px-Bling-Bling_Skywriting_David_Shankbone.jpg

peoples (rogue apostrophe, sorry)

I suppose this only occurs in paces where the terrain is so difficult and the scale so huge that you don't have any contact with the people next door, let alone in the towns and cities. Basically Amazonia and highland Papua New Guinea.

Amazonian languages tend to be completely different linguistic groups, rather than variants (like all the Indo-European languages), which would suggest NO contact at all. It's such a weird idea, that your entire humanity is a few dozen people, even if you disregard the technological/cultural differences.

I too am glad these dudes are out there, for no particular reason. It's a totally illogical reaction to feel happy that not everyone on the planet has been modernized. Why do I think that way?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44701000/jpg/_44701421_pixw.jpg

my new favorite photograph in the world ever

Makes the place seem a little mysterious still, like bigfoot etc.

xp

yeah its just fuckin cool, basically

Also a little depressing - like if they are this tiny, completely uncontacted group of people, and this is their first exposure to people (admittedly in a plane) outside their culture, and their first reaction ... is to shoot the fuck out of it with the best weapons they have. I admire their balls, and all, but it's kind of humanity in a microcosm, innit.

who wouldnt be scared shitless by a plane if theyd never been exposed to one up close? same as cats/dogs terrified of lawnmowers or my niece who cannot be in the same room w/ a vacuum cleaner even when its turned off

For them this was like the start of Independence Day.

One of my friends thinks that posting pictures of this group on the internet while insisting on not contacting them is exploitative and paternalistic, like they're animals in a wildlife reserve. Given that the Brazilian government (as a concrete stand-in for a hypothetical "modern society") has the means and knowledge to contact them, and the tribe presumably doesn't have the same abilities, it's a totally one-sided decision, though...is there any way to NOT be paternalistic about this, saying "we will now determine the fate of this less powerful culture"?

They should have dropped some release forms to use their image.

I worry about how long they will actually remain uncontacted now.

i'd be surprised if they haven't already received creepy ilx webmail.

I always wonder with people's like this just how uncontacted they are.

Dude, did you not see their flatscreen telly inside their house? All the others were huddled around it being all excited about the fact they were famous now.

Y'know, wouldn't it be totally AWESOME if this was actually a Damien Hirst installation?

Maria your friend is a hippy. Having said that, the whole airplane stunt will have put the fear of god(s) into them so it's not like there's no meaningful contact. If they'd, say, used satellites to take photos or whatever without the dudes knowing, then I don't see the problem.

They should steal one of those dudes and butt-probe him.

But that's my answer for everything.

i'm kinda intrigued that their body paint is so vivid, presuming they are using natural pigments; if i were to make an uninformed conclusion, i'd say it looks like the color was added or enhanced after the photo was taken

Rumor is Google will be street-viewing late July.

you can cut and paste this into any jpg, it seems

http://lolrider.com/images/malocas.jpg

OTM on the paint--every time I look at the picture I think, "wow, those dudes are RED."

Yes, I am trying not to overthink this one.

You should see it when they squat and shoot electricity out of their backs.

Actually, my friend is extremely conservative, but good try ;) You're right about the plane.

Fom the article linked in the original report about the red dye:

They have also painted themselves with the red dye, urucum, commonly used by tribes in the Amazon. It is made from the seeds of a fruit similar to the horse chestnut. The seeds are ground into a paste to form the dye.

The first time I saw these (amazing) pics I immediately thought "It's over for them". Very sad.

I worry about how long they will actually remain uncontacted now.

i'd be surprised if they haven't already received creepy ilx webmail.

-- ken c, Friday, 30 May 2008 15:29 (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

genuine lol, and at work too!

If the Braziliam government has taken these photos to prove their existence doesn't that suggest they have at least flown over them before?

Maybe not directly over them, and maybe not so close, but presumably yeah.

There's no way of not being paternalistic here - either they go right in and say "oh hai guise" and risk all sorts of bad stuff happening to them or they actively set out to protect them from being contacted or approached.

I've no idea how remote they are but presumably there'll be dudes proactively looking for them now? Obviously not contacting them at all is the best way forward but it kind of feels kind of like creating a 'reserve' around them or something.

I would love to just find out what they thought of the plane, though.

Just as I'd secretly love to put one in the middle of Times Square and observe the massive freak-out it would induce. That would be very very evil, though.

or hide a stereo in the forest that plays pop music

Nah, really loud darkside drum n bass.

lol @ tribe just being discovered and ppl already making culturezings

im sure the tribe knows what an airplane is and that theres a whole world of weird people out there - just cause they havent had contact w/the modern world doesnt mean they havent had contact w/another tribe that has

They've presumably seen the odd plane before as well, just not one flying so low.

I think that photographing these folks for the purpose of protecting their homeland from exploitation and their culture from death is just.

telling racist joke != being a racist

^^ this is idiotic

P.S. Yes, if it's generally believed that there are uncontacted people living in an area, but some people are claiming this isn't true -- and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that "some people" consists of business interests that want to do stuff with surrounding land and thus need to make claims of its emptiness -- it makes perfect sense to get visual confirmation that people are there, and work out all your land-use and other policies accordingly. (Like someone said, there's every chance they're already somewhat aware of very different people living in the world around them, and even if they weren't, I'm not entirely sure there's any duty of the outside world to protect them from that potentially alarming knowledge; there are planes in the sky, it's a fact. Instigating contact in the full knowledge that it could cause a lot of disease is a whole different story.)

it could be a hoax, it's been done before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasaday

-- Grandpont Genie, Friday, 30 May 2008 11:33 (6 hours ago) Link

Tasaday were my first thought too but apparently it's not really clear if they were a hoax anymore. Read the wiki.

A hoax would probably have a lot better pix.

i read that wiki earlier & its really bizarre -- its like its real/its a hoax/its real/its a hoax (even if theyd been instructed to lie if they were genuinely 'savage' or whatever why the fuck would they care about cigarettes or be watching tv)

Savages, deez. Not noble savages.

telling racist joke != being a racist

^^ this is idiotic

-- nabisco, Friday, May 30, 2008 7:30 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

jeez

ok, so everyone who thought you were making innocent-but-slightly-off-colour jokes earlier in the thread: you're racists. Go turn yourselves in before you kill someone.

Also, finding humour in the absurdity of there still being untouched tribes in the world is not the same as making racist jokes. Everyone on this thread seems to think it's cool that they're there.

I know! There's a not insignificant leap from there being primitive tribes to making that something racial. Having a bow and painting yourself red is pretty awesome no matter what/who/where you are.

ORANGE PEOPLE IT IS ORANGE

Yeah maybe culture zings is a better term than racist jokes in this context. But still my thought processes ran:

1. "Hey that's fucking cool, totally uncontacted wau!"
2. "Shit I hope they're alright and this doesn't fuck everything up again"
3. "Those captions are unintentionally funny"
4. "Haha dudes painted entirely orange you don't see that every day"
5. "Shit I'm mocking someone's culture no matter how gently, or how small and previously unnoticed it is, that's not really cool"
6. "Am I mocking someone's culture really or just mocking my reactions and associations?"
7. "At least I'm feeling guilty about it I suppose"

</catholic>

HEY STAN actually I don't think anybody's chatter on this thread constitutes a "racist joke"

I'm objecting to the idiotic thing that always comes up where it's like "well doing something racist doesn't make you A racist," which is dumb and annoying to me, like saying "fixing cars for a living doesn't necessarily mean you're a mechanic," or "just because you killed someone doesn't make you a murderer"

Just killing someone doesn't necessarily make you a murderer. Although pointing this out does make me a pedant.

Most of what's on this thread is more or less "primitive culture theme humor," which has no relation to whether or not I find your axiom dumb

focusing on whether someone "is a racist" is much less practical than focusing on the specific incident of racism and what can be done to avoid such follies in the future

i.e. don't make "lol look at these funny people they look like a videogame" jokes

It is possible to make racist jokes ironically. An internet forum is not the best environment for doing so, however.

what are some good environments for making "ironic" racist jokes?

besides MadTV

Orange people aiming arrows at low-flying airplanes. Dude, it's like Street Fighter and Contra come to life. Get a bag of ice.

Hey dudes this is probably not fertile territory for a big thing, I was simply pointing out that I find Stan's formula in itself (that "funny" racist actions are somehow different from actually being racist) annoying, because people always trying to separate these things -- as if there's a split between racist actions and official Racist Identity -- and that's dumb because we don't treat anything else in the universe like that: if you do something, you're kinda being that thing, and we don't sit around rending our garments and weeping and hair-splitting over the difference. (If you do something dicky you're kind of a dick right then, and nobody requires a council of philosophers debating the limits of the dick-act versus the state of dickness or the lines between doing and being.)

Note again that that has nothing to do with this thread and is strictly about Stan's formula.

and nobody requires a council of philosophers debating the limits of the dick-act versus the state of dickness or the lines between doing and being.

except ILX

cockitude

did they actually fire at the plane?

if they did theyre a buncha assholes if you think about it

I want to know what these guys think about tipping.

i am going to find these people and be their god

i will use a parachute

can anyone on ilx fly? you can be co-god if you want. itll be like the man who would be king!

Dude even people who have been living in isolation for thousands of years would know that 'Deeznuts' is a fucking stupid name for a god.

deeznuts would troll this tribe

yeah, every time i have those adolescent fantasies about taking modern technology back in time / far away to impress tribal cultures, i just figure they'd murder me for being a wizard way before they'd worship me and my zippo lighter

they might shoot him w/an arrow and call it a day

poignant AND ironic

so i take it no one here can fly

if i could fly, i wouldn't need to seek out isolated civilizations to find worshippers

as if there's a split between racist actions and official Racist Identity -- and that's dumb because we don't treat anything else in the universe like that: if you do something, you're kinda being that thing, and we don't sit around rending our garments and weeping and hair-splitting over the difference.

Nabisco, meet homosexuality. Homosexuality, meet Nabisco. I'm sure you'll be best of friends!

Also if we do contact this tribe, I hope we do it via flying penis.

You know, I was gonna say that yes, that is TOTALLY the big rule-exception, but actually I think that's our culture's fault for not having good non-academic terms for same-sex behaviors that are different from actual gay identity.

"Also if we do contact this tribe, I hope we do it via flying penis."

fantastic

Like, if we define homosexual identity as "having overarching romantic interests primarily in people of the same sex," then doing that would make you homosexual, and individual sexual acts with people of the same sex would be a whole different topic that makes you a whole different thing (i.e., "a person who has limited sexual involvements with people of the same sex"). Having sex with someone of the same sex doesn't make you "gay" because being "gay" is not about specific same-sex behavior, it's about a larger romantic standpoint/identity.

dude are you seriously trying to argue that men who have sex with other men are not necessarily homosexuals

why do i catch so much fuckin flack on this board

nabisco is gay for jamie

ban deeznuts

oh come on deej how is 'Having sex with someone of the same sex doesn't make you "gay"' any less controversial than anything ive ever said here

im not trying to be a dick but it sounds patently ridiculous & if nab wants to explain further im all ears

Can we just go back to lazy, mild zings at primitives instead?

too late, we've fallen into another deeznuts wormhole of navel-gazing meta

deeznuts has never heard of brojobs

yeah wtf ever dude my whole point is we have a thread about undiscovered tribes & a guy comes along & says dudes who fuck other dudes arent actually gay & when i call him on it im the fucking troll

xp thats a lie elmo

haha

I think the one thing we can all agree that Civ jokes is how Nazi Germany got started.

Primitive Tribes: Have They Heard of Brojobs?

permaban deez time

hahahahaha going from the first post in this thread down to the last 5 or so is a little jarring

haha yeah i was thinking wow i never knew ilx wld be so interested in hidden rainforest tribe! but now of course i'm like ohhh

The decline of civilization, as it were.

If you do something dicky you're kind of a dick right then

Isn't "right then" the crucial phrase here, though?

i am interested in hidden rainforest tribe & in further explanation of how men who have sex w/ other men are not actually gay dassit

i mean seriously how am i responsible for this bs

deeznuts start a seperate thread maybe and we'll get back to the hidden rainforest tribe on this one?

Dude, if "having sex with someone of the same sex doesn't make you 'gay'" is a controversial opinion to you, you have missed out on several decades of human thought.

The short version is that "gay" and "homosexual" are cultural constructions, specific roles in specific cultures -- in ours they have to do with romantic attachments to people of the same sex. Whereas "same-sex" erotic behavior is a specific non-culture-bound act done by lots of people who wouldn't fit into our cultural role or identity of being gay or even necessarily bi (e.g., ancient Greeks, sailors, sorority girls near video cameras, swingers, people who do specific sexual stuff with the same sex but have zero romantic connection with them, whole complicated other-culture sexual roles involving trannies of various sorts, etc. -- the bulk of same-sex acts in the history of the planet do not really fit the current western notion of what it is to be "gay").

^^ This separation of neutral acts from cultural identities is a basic of most everything about "queer theory" and is generally considered non-controversial enough that Casuistry saw fit to zing/counter me with it, which he did really effectively because it really is a giant gaping exception to what I was saying

what nabisco said, except omit 'gaping' :\

Unless of course that's your thing.

OMG hey, can we bring this full-circle by talking about whichever uncontacted tribe it was in Brazil where that one anthropologist reported various same-sex erotic behaviors among them (which you wouldn't call "gay" because they had a whole other cultural system about that stuff), but then LATER there were accusations that they DIDN'T have same-sex erotic behaviors until the anthropologist was living among them, and that HE was the one getting on members and INTRODUCING same-sex behavior into the tribe?

THAT'S full circle????

It brings us back to the complications of contact with isolated Brazilian tribes!

'neutral acts'

(and yes plz that sounds interesting)

it's that damned homosexual agenda "the gays" keep pushing on everyone...they won't be satisfied until every last isolated group of peoples has become sodom and gomorrah

*full circle of applause*

a full gaping circle

goatse.br

i have to say the whole "men are painted completely red, women, blue" deal is super fascinating.

Yeah, considering our whole "girls=pink, boys=blue" thing.

yeah considering they are ORANGE and BLACK

apparently that color schema isn't that old!

http://feministing.com/archives/009162.html

xp all right whatever picky picky

lol deeznuts reps for Princeton

the point is a clear color signal that looks gendered. what's it like to live in that system? of course we've seen only half a dozen individuals in what could be a tribe of a few hundred, maybe a few thousand. maybe there are other colors out there? maybe it's not a gender thing at all.

xp lol deeznuts reps for halloween.

lol deeznuts reps for the Flyers

I REP FOR CORRECT VISION AND THAT IS ALL

It will be some kind of gender PLUS rank thing.

btw gff isnt it some kind of warpaint related thing? if you look at the pics with a bunch of them a lot of them dont seem to be dyed at all

you tell me eagle eyes

Telling, hearing, and finding humor in a racist joke does not require you to be or make you racist. And deeznuts really has been catching a lot of total BS flak lately.

I refuse to believe that Google Earth hasn't found them already.

Can we just go back to lazy, mild zings at primitives instead?

-- call all destroyer, Friday, May 30, 2008 3:08 PM (Friday, May 30, 2008 3:08 PM) Bookmark Link

It's what I call "Spending a Friday on ILX".

maybe we should move it to 77, so they can't find it?

"I refuse to believe that Google Earth hasn't found them already."

It has but there entire civilisation is one pixel

caek otm, sort of

the media was totally Krippendorf's Tribed.

link?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/21/amazon?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

and guess what? Google Earth did know all along!

'A friend of mine sent me some Google Earth co-ordinates and maps that showed a strange clearing in the middle of the forest and asked me what that was,' he said. 'I saw the co-ordinates and realised that it was close to the area I had been exploring with my son – so I needed to fly over it.'

'painted red means they are ready for war, which to me says they are happy and healthy defending their territory.'

To be fair the media/public invented the whole just found thing, it was stated in the initial reports that the aerial photographs were taken to prove they existed to loggers.

"The Brazilian government says it took the images to prove the tribe exists and help protect its land."

That blue chick is hot.

Smurfette?

Apparently this thing is making the internet rounds all over again, Kevin Smith just spent a recent podcast talking about it like this all just came out instead of almost three years ago.

http://www.uncontactedtribes.org/