i just got in a fight with my boyfriend about me blacking out last night

I don't remember ever blacking out.

it's like, i remember the booth. there's the booth. and there's lauren. everything else? i don't know. what was i saying to lauren?

i just

don't

know

and now i want a bacon egg n cheese.

I gave up drinking in 2002. The last time I blacked out, I single-handedly attempted to trash the restaurant we were in, resulting in me being physically thrown out by the waiters. The next thing I remember is standing on the pavement wondering where the hell I was.

aww

I've only blacked out once, and though a lot of hilarious stories came out of it (and the friend who carried me home forgave me immediately for throwing up on his shoes), I think it's best avoided. The "I don't know" part really does suck.

The "I don't know" part really does suck.

OTM - Coming back from a bar I once blacked out five minutes walk from where I was living, the next thing I know I'm standing in the middle of my room and it was a hour later. Fuck knows what happened in that time - probably I just staggered around drunkenly while people avoided me, but to get home I would have had to have crossed two main roads.

surmounter if you blackout regularly youve got some issues w/drinking that absolutely need to be address

ed

*lalala not listening*

I've had small unknown gaps of, say, ten minutes before, but I had my first legit blackout a few months ago when this girl I was sorta seeing and I were walking from a party back to my apt. We were less than halfway there when suddenly she's says, "Is that clock right?", and I realize it's 11:30 am, we're in my bed, mostly clothed and really, really hung over. I must have been thinking ahead because there were already two untouched glasses of water next to the bed that weren't there before. According to her, on the walk back I had pinned her up against a wall somewhere and we made out. We tried to identify the wall later, but no luck.

I'm sometimes loud, too, when I start approaching blackout drunk, but mostly I'm really excitable and try to dance with people/myself/everything.

i don't know jhoshea i kind of think that blacking out = alcoholic/drinking problem thing is a myth. sure if you get blackout drunk a couple times a week and if that is your goal from drinking, that's bad. i know alcoholics who will actually black out after just 2-3 drinks or so because they have just trained themselves to do it (maybe?)

but sometimes drinking that much just sneaks up on you. if this is something that that happens accidentally a few times i don't think it's that big a deal. unless you are endangering yourself/others when you get in that state, driving a car, etc.

it does sneak. all of a sudden bing bang boom wasted/.

i also think i've started blacking out more as i get older; i can remember in ridiculous nights when i was 20 and drank so much i couldn't stand, but i tend to get "brown outs" when i drink a lot now where certain things seem familiar but i can't remember the details. i kinda think it's just senescence or maybe my drunken escapades being just the same boring conversations i have normally.

i feel like i know so many problem drinkers that i feel like as long as i'm not pissing my bed or getting in fights with cops i have nothing to worry about.

also i like finished the wafers in the house when i got home. i'm supposed to be eating healthy.

yah i hear ya bell. no cops, no probs?

i can remember in ridiculous DETAIL nights
sorry

Yeah, booze b sneakin. That was my Wednesday night.

Holy jezus.

that blacking out = alcoholic/drinking problem thing is a myth

getting that wasted on even a semi-regular basis definitely catches up w/you over time, though.

blacking out.

he just loves it cuz then he gets the chance to be all "oohhhh u need to calm down BLA."

-- Surmounter, Sunday, June 8, 2008 8:54 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

bell wtf look at this sounds like something thats happened more than a few times ^^^

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surmounter if you blackout regularly youve got some issues w/drinking that absolutely need to be address

-- jhøshea, Sunday, June 8, 2008 9:27 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hey and this ^^^^

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its all fine and good to be challenging received wisdom abt alcoholism but u might want to consider the situation first

i mean i'm not in the gutter every night, but i hear ya.

also worth considering: getting wasted and pissing yr loved ones off could be a drinking problem in itself

mom?

yes come over here and lik my balls lil kermy

okay thanks mr rogers :D no yes that's the worst part about a blakout: the love gettin pissed

yeah sure, that's true as well. people can get pissed if they end up having to take care of you all the time.

i go through periods of being an awful drunk but it's always when i'm single it seems.

let me be clear here i drink all the time. i have no problem w/habitual drinkers who can hold their shit together. but if yr constantly indulging in sloppy bullshit its worth thinking abt changing what yr doing.

also i seem to keep ending up with guys who prior to me dated serious barf all over their bed alcoholics so i am like a ray of freakin sunshine in comparison

yeah sloppy bullshit is busch league

i have to be honest: i'm usually one of the hold-it-together people. but there are times when i'm not. but i've only barfed on my bed once in my life, and it wasn't good...

less preachy blahh blah more sweet drunk stories

once when i was drunk i got really freaky with a gogoboy

ha the only time I ever puked from drinking was after a cognac-drinking contest w/my then new-boss. ended up in my tiny bathroom on the toilet w/my head in the sink, "both ends burning" so to speak (tmi, sorry)

i still drink but had to cut back on getting real drunk about five years for health reasons I'll spare you guys. but I have several close friends who are in a weird space now as middle-aged heavy drinkers. they're not alcoholics in the clinical/classical sense but it's definitely a problem.

one time i was drunk then the next day i was on the internet and there was a retard asking for omg awzom stories

also i seem to keep ending up with guys who prior to me dated serious barf all over their bed alcoholics so i am like a ray of freakin sunshine in comparison

-- bell_labs, Sunday, 8 June 2008 13:52 (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

um, maybe you're just a continuation!! :(

I've probably blacked out... BUT I KANT REMEMBER. BWAHAHAHAHAHA. GEDDIT? urgh, okay, move along now, silly joke of today has been made.

how heavy is heavy drinking would you say? as i'm getting older i'm starting to feel bad about having 5 beers on a wednesday for no reason, but i think my internet addiction is much more shameful.

xpost to m coleman

I blame the one time I puked on eating ice cream, not the endless amount of alcohol I consumed beforehand. Actually there was also that other time I drank so much and puked... and wanted to go sleep IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. Sadly I didn't black out then, oh the shame. :-(

"how heavy is heavy drinking would you say? "

three pounds of wheat

b_l, to me heavy drinking would be measured more by how many nights a week you get smashed rather than how many beers in a sitting. but I'm no measure of sobriety, i still have bad habits inc. a nasty internet jones

It's pretty seldom that I puke, but seriously only once? (xxp)

that i remember LOL

that same night I came on to a lesbian, wish I would've blacked out that memory

haha

i wish i'd blacked out MORE from 92-95 because the bits I remember aren't very pleasant

ive never puked from drinking - once from a bad cheese sauce - that is all

i hav iron stomach

Apparently the one time I blacked out I came on to a huge number of people, including two female friends. I am a little embarrassed by the things I said to them, but more amused to hear that I said to a very shy male friend (briefly a boyfriend, later), "Take advantage of me now, I'm drunk! If you don't I'll regret it in the morning!" Although I found out two years later that I did NOT hit on the friend who carried me home and whose shoes I threw up on, although I assumed I had because at the time we were flirting like crazy when sober, and this hurt his feelings. Aww. Sad.

These are some of the reasons I have been careful not to black out since. There are more such reasons.

whiteying is better.

I've only blacked out about 5 times in my four years or so of real drinking, so I think I'm in the clear. When it happens, my friends refer to me as Noise God (which is what I was shouting the first time). I've been known to scream phrases like YOU ARE LOVELY, MY DEAR, BUT YOU ARE NOT WATER and YOU CAN EAT MY LEG.

I'm a pretty reserved guy, so it seems my subconscious uses the occasion to let out all the apparently pent up anger, though only towards inanimate objects. This has only happened at one friend's house, who makes provisions for this sort of thing, so no real damage, social or otherwise, has been done.

I did wake up with an nosebleed once, apparently caused by sheer rage.

I blacked out once, while drinking during a party in my first round of college, for maybe an hour. Apparently I was pretty funny. I thought, well, if I'm going to be that funny I don't really want to miss it. So I calmed my drinking down a notch or two.

I think everyone's drunk stories are way better than mine. I remember one time walking home just smashed, carrying a large cd rack and barfing repeatedly the entire way home, but mostly in the alley behind the one and only strip club in my town. Other than that it's mostly just me being happy.

YOU ARE LOVELY, MY DEAR, BUT YOU ARE NOT WATER

I wish I had the presence of mind to say things this cool while drunk.

yeah, i mostly just get all emo and annoying.

that is really cool, even though i am not sure what it means.

prob just thirsty

lol. last week i was reading about water as a cross-cultural symbol of fertility. there's another possibility.

Once a friend of mine drunk dialed a friend of his and left a voicemail, and it was the most brilliant stream of drunken rambling I'd ever heard. I don't remember anythiing from it BUT: "YOU THINK THAT'S EROTIC, CHECK THIS OUT!!! *long silent pause, resumes unrelated drunken rant*" Minutes earlier he had comoe running into the room with only one leg in his pants, holding the unused portion of his pants up in front of his waist/stomach and yelling "ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME???" and he wouldn't quit calling their cat M0mus.

I'm pretty sure it was because a few weeks before I'd been stuck in my laundry room and had nothing to do but read the copy of Dune that was there.

Boy I can't type right now...

Perhaps there should be a special sub-thread for things said in the throes of drunkenness with obvious ilx-related causes.

Stupid Things you've Done While Drunk

with obvious ilx-related causes.

what was i saying to lauren?

it was terrible! you were a disgrace.

(ok, so i'm not the lauren in question, but i couldn't resist. also, i can't resist lecturing you a bit. if this has happened often enough that it's a bone of contention between you and your bf, then it might be a problem. not necessarily a huge, scary drinking problem, but something that needs to be considered.)

I have never blacked out in approximately 25 years of drinking. Been plenty drunk, but I can hold it better than anyone I know.

i haven't had a srs black out in a few years, since new years 07 i think. it was the first time i had champagne and i was all WHOO THIS TASTES LIKE JUICE GIVE ME MORE JUICE and that led to me not even remembering throwing up in the yard at my friends house that i didn't know we went to or me throwing up in the car on the ride home or me throwing up all over my childhood bathroom etc etc

i find now that i drink beerz more in college im able to not fall overboard, whereas in high school it was all hard liquor all the time and that = lots of throwing up and not remembering

They were giving you mimosas, J.

Sur - I echo what Joshea said in various posts. If it's a regular or even semi-regular thing then you need to think carefully about what's going on esp if there's any history of alcoholism in your family.

I've always been a big drinker and often the drunkest one at the party etc. A lot of my friends have been big drinkers so I never really thought it was much of a problem. In the past couple years I had one to many omgwhatdidIsay moments and a few blackouts and this January I decided to seriously cut back and monitor myself. I've only drank a handful of times since then and it's pretty awesome not having those moments of anxiety about what might have been said or done. My decision was heavily influenced by the fact that my MOm is an active alcoholic so I've seen first hand what can happen etc.

Worst blackout ever was in college and involved waking with a black eye and sprained ankle and then having to go to NYU Health Services and make up some lie about how I injured myself.

wow that sounds awful.

OK guys i'll be careful i promise.

I've blacked out a decent amount of times. Unfortunately, apart from the very first time it happened, when I had a bit of a fall that resulted in a permanent soft spot (what I like to call my "off button") on the top of my head, the rest of them have had virtually no negative consequences. In fact, in a perverse incentive, usually people tell me I was way more fun (and funny) on nights when I black out. So, apparently I'm at my best when I can't remember it later, which is cruel.

i've been to casualty with drunken injuries twice. i've been sick countless times (including in a pillowcase, in my mate's suitcase, all over my girlfriend in a taxi, out of a fourth-storey window, on the street in front of stet's click-click-clicking fucking camera lens) and have attempted to start fights with bouncers. i can honestly say, though, that i've never blacked out ... oh, no, hang on: there was that time many years ago when, following a tequila-drinking session with a long-forgotten NME hack, i woke up at my then girlfriend's, some miles away, with a bucket on my head. no idea how i got there.

blacking out might have been useful: it would have prevented some of the shame :/

i cut down my booze intake massively just after my 30th birthday. one of the best things i've ever done.

ØTM

i've only blacked out once but that was because i'd snorted downers too. DUMB. but here i am to tell the story

A friend of mine blacked out while crossing the street, fell over, and smashed his front teeth in on the kerbstone. It took four years of dental work to set them back in place.

That sounds absolutely horrendous. As does a permanent soft spot....

If it's a regular or even semi-regular thing then you need to think carefully about what's going on esp if there's any history of alcoholism in your family.

Blacking out for me (not a doctor talking here) was always drinking + not eating. Shaky blood sugar is a motherfucker, and sugary liquor (the brown ones are the worst) will put you lopsided faster than anything. If you black out regularly, yeah it's true that you're drinking too much -- I mean, duh -- but you may also be given to hypoglycemia. Couldn't hurt to see a doctor, get some eating advice, or just eat better.

So "blacking out" is different from just not remembering the night before, right? 'Cause that happened to me almost every night for at least the first year at uni; and I'm still virtually guaranteed memory gaps any time I go out for halfway serious drinks.

I guess I should have said "passed out while crossing the street" as that would have been more accurate. Blacking out is where you're still walking around, but you're not consciously aware at all and certainly don't remember anything the following day.

So "blacking out" is different from just not remembering the night before, right?

I suppose that the distinction between a "blackout" and just not remembering stuff, is the length of the memory gaps.

yeah, i've had conversations (and well-spelled emails) go missing from my brane, but i guess i didn't really count that as blacking out.

i get more talkative when drunk, though not particularly loud or rambunctious i don't think.

I really did used to forget the whole evening - ok not *every* night, we didn't go out on massive benders every night - but regularly and frequently. At the time I was all "lol this drinking malarky" and I still think it's pretty normal student behaviour. If it were still happening today though then yeah that would be worrisome.

"normal student behavior" really varies. i know people who blacked out every weekend. the one time i did it, i didn't live it down for MONTHS, because it's just uncommon among my friends. and the one time we had to take one of my friends to the hospital for binge drinking...it was not treated lightly.

i would like to interject that i did the friend check-in, and it turns out i was A-OK last night =]

hooray!

Sur, I would have drinks with you. I'm sure that you get all maternal on a few beers and God knows it's fun having someone telling you what you're doing wrong but that they love you anyway... That sounds bad but it's meant as a compliment.

I have a terrible memory sober, drunk it's pretty much the same. I don't drink anywhere near as heavily as I used to because you know, I just don't bounce back as quickly anymore and life is already complicated without a hangover!

What's funny to me is that in Ireland to drink at lunchtime is totally and utterly unacceptable, in the UK it's fine yet every time I speak to a strange Brit on the phone they're all like "LOL THE IRISH R DRUNKS" which makes me rather angry.

Is the difference in blacking out/normal drunk not remembering the level of stupid and uncharacteristic shit that you do?

blackouts are bad news, driving while extremely drunk is worse

dept of shit we already know

papercuts are bad, but getting punched in the face sometimes hurts.

MORE HUGS, LESS PRISONER TORTURE

the expert medical opinions on this thread are comedy gold

hey, mine had a specific disclaimer, not even in fine print.

the expert medical opinions on this thread are comedy gold

Care to share your wisdom from up there on that mountaintop of yours?

yeah, sure thing Chas

the people who say blacking out is a real big red flag are right, and the people who say things like

i don't know jhoshea i kind of think that blacking out = alcoholic/drinking problem thing is a myth.

have no idea what they're talking about

I'd 100% agree with that, yep.

Yeah, it's hard to argue with. Blacking out = problem drinking.

It's like having a mysterious morning sickness and oddly location specific weight gain problem, but insisting you can't possibly be pregnant. "I didn't have THAT much sex!"

BF fighting with you about said blackouts = problem, regardless of wether the drinking actually is by any clinical definition. Take it from my personal experience if you will. I used to, like bell, think I was fine because I compared myself to my alcoholic ex who'd piss the bed, walk into walls, and psychologically abuse me while off his nut drunk and deny/forget everything the next day. I've never been like that, so hey, all well huh?

But I've since found for me weed + booze was a very very bad combo, and it was after several episodes of being roundly disparaged for doing shit I genuinely did not remember, and having more than one guy I dated roll his eyes and slowly back off from me, that I realised things were not going as they should.

This was some years back mind you. I'm a lot better now. I had to slow down, age is not kind to the drinker, let me make that very clear. You wanna look bloated and have broken capillaries all over your skin? Keep drinking, and just wait.

trayce, age 50:

http://www.thecurmudgeon.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/w-c-fields.jpg

omgosh that's so scary

Hahahah yeah, thats the thing Sur! If nothing else, listen to yr vanity. Your nose will swell up and your face will go all red and bloaty and you will get a beer gut.

Er, not that I look like WC Fields but you know. I do have the red skin :(

ryan told me the same thing this morning cuz i ate like half the kitchen last night, which is unfortunate -- "if nothing else listen to your vanity"

Seriously. When I was like 23/24 I lived with two girls and we drank every weekend and at last a couple weedays a week. I gained a lot of weight that year from drinking and not just drinking but the drunk eating and then the hungover eating.

I have never blacked out from drinking - however I've come really close and done some ridiculously retarded shit while tanked (mainly talking loudly, being an obnoxious flirt, breaking things, threatening people or making out/sleeping with someone inappropriate). I seem to only get really, really wasted a few times a year, though.

not to hijak yor thread or anything but i'm kind of drunk and depressed right now listeni ng to cat power " where is my lvoe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8R0eoGO7Gw and like.. i dunno whatever i just thought i'd post in here.

ok you need to put on something else. i'm sorry you're sad :[

i wish i had a boyfeirend to fight we me about blacking out :( not that i've ever gotten blackout drunk but still :'(

well if it makes you feel any better sometimes i can't wait for him to leave the house?

i'm always kicking him out. these partners they cramp your style!

i hate the term 'partner' it's so asexual

it really is

J0hn D OTM.

Whoah, blackouts are a symptom, even if they don't appear to be a problem in themselves. The received medical wisdom is that blackouts appear at a middle stage in a progression of symptoms that starts getting pretty serious down the line. You might want to read up on it.

boo is definitely better

Surmounter = pure gold. Never change, kid.

I sort of want to tell my classic blackout story. It happened after my friend and coworker. Sharon, died. She and I had worked together at a residential home for people with mental illness. Sharon had been there for 20 years.
Sharon started complaining of stomach pains, and, within weeks, she was in the ICU. It was really shocking, especially for the people she had worked with, and of course the mentally ill folks.
Sharon died. I saw her two days before she died and she was bloated beyond belief and so far gone that she didn't recognize her partner or her children. She was grasping and gasping and...it was awful.
I took two clients to the wake, (open casket) and then left and went to have some whiskey with my boss and a co-worker. That turned into a few whiskeys.

I then had another two whiskeys, and then went to the Chinese restaurant/bar four blocks from my house, and drank some more.
I left, and...apparently walked down the street, in heels and a long black skirt, and decided that I should climb the fence of the car wash that was being built. I took my shoes off.

I know this because the shoes were very neatly placed on the corner the next time I looked at that site.

The cops grabbed me before I made it over the fence, and took me into PC. Apparently I ran away. I have no recollection of anything after the Chinese restaurant/bar.

My boyfriend got woken up with a flashlight in the face. The cops said "She's a real Houdini, this one!"
it's not something I'm proud of, but...I was out of my mind with grief and liquor.
Also, I wish I could remember why I would make so many random choices? Grief...climb fence to car wash...run away from police... leave shoes behind...

Oh yeah - I left the shoes there. They remained there for months! Until the car wash opened.

A weird tribute to...my grief, I guess.

Damn aimurchie :(

I've done some stupid things while drunk, when I was younger, including shit myself in the middle of a pub once when absolutely tanked to fuck on Guinness. But I've never blacked out, I don't think.

I don't drink to anywhere near the extent I used to - we drink several bottles of wine a week, but seldom more than one in an evening. I rarely drink shorts, don't do big session drinking, don't play drinking games, and don't really do nightclubs anymore. It's expensive and people behave like dicks. I'd rather hang with a kitten, watch a movie, and enjoy a glass of wine these days. I'm 29.

Was blacked out in an alley once, and apparently tried to crawl to a nearby Dunkin Donuts.

After I had several blackouts, I decided that it was time to curtail my drinking severely. If you're drunk enough that you can't remember what you've done you're drunk enough to put yourself in life-threatening danger, even if - as is the case with Surmounter - it turns out that you behaved respectably.

My friends got way tired of me doing the "Friend Check-In" thing.

Surmounter? You are going to be just fine. However.
DO NOT attempt to climb chain link fences.

In heels.
It will seriously fuck with your ilx check in.

The received medical wisdom is that blackouts appear at a middle stage in a progression of symptoms that starts getting pretty serious down the line. You might want to read up on it.

-- felicity, Monday, June 9, 2008 2:45 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Where would I actually read up on this? Severe alcoholism is pretty prevalent on both sides of my family and I've been half meaning to educate myself on it for some time. I've never heard that blackouts are one in a series of um...some sort of a medical progression? I guess I don't entirely understand, which is why I'm asking.
I'm a very light drinker, maybe a couple beers a week, only allowing myself to get supremely and overjoyously drunk about once every month, closer to once every other truthfully. Blacking out hasn't happened to me until this past year (two distinct incidents, total), and although it's never interfered with my life, job, personal relationships, etc, my family's history of alcohol abuse has left me uncomfortably conscious of it. Mostly, though, it's because of my dad's current state, being that he now talks in delusional circles and won't actually get a place to live (etc etc, moving on), and I've been left to wonder if his alcoholism has lead to this in any way, or maybe amplified or exacerbated it. Seeing as he and I are nearly identical in many, many ways, sometimes I worry about where it could lead. I first started to worry about my mental health maybe 8 years ago when I began having hallucinations after very extreme nightmares, or emotionally vivid and intense dreams. They're pretty seldom events, consistent in their pacing those entire eight years, and after seeing where my dad's been going for these last few I'm slightly on edge.

Whoa, sort of a lengthy and overly personal offload there, sorry guys. I just started typing and didn't really ask myself when I should stop o_O

yeah, sure thing Chas

the people who say blacking out is a real big red flag are right, and the people who say things like

i don't know jhoshea i kind of think that blacking out = alcoholic/drinking problem thing is a myth.

have no idea what they're talking about

-- J0hn D., Monday, June 9, 2008 2:51 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link

ok, so every single person i know is an alcoholic for blacking out once or twice in their lives? i will be sure to let them know in as condescending a way as possible.

Yeah that struck me as absolutist bullshit, too, but I'm asking questions instead because I'm a doofus and afraid of embarrassing myself (lol so I post about my family's dirt instead, sheesh)

ummmmm don't want to put words in j0hn's post but i don't think he is saying that people who blackout once or twice in their lives are alcoholics, he's saying blacking out can be a red flag, but again, i'm just supposin here.

which is exactly what i was saying, so i don't know why he picked out my post?

i hear you bell. i do. i also feel like i tend to downplay things so it's really a judgment call.

I don't esp remember doing it except that time at HS graduation.

felt the same way, bell, yeah...though miscommunication here at some place or another is my guess...

ah okay gotcha boy it's hot out

Blacking out isn't a joke, blah blah, but I'm lolling at the "I've never blacked out, when I get really drunk I just get loud and flirty" posts on here.

hahaha lopud and flirty is fun (usually)

For me it's not loud and flirty so much as loud and .... I care less when creeper chicks grab my ass?

btw your story about pinning your girl up to a wall in the middle of the street is ace

to be honest my most embarrassing blackout this year has been from ambien, not booze

and i am so not telling the story

nom nom nom

i hate flying so much that i usually take tranqs and have a few drinks, which can result in some... blurriness. apparently twice i've been been talking to someone and then suddenly passed out and pitched forward like a corpse (in both cases hitting the tray table).

o
my

i would be so scared for you!

the definition of "feelin' no pain"

btw your story about pinning your girl up to a wall in the middle of the street is ace

hey thanks :) ... if only I could remember it. if only she were my girl :)

lauren--oh goodness!! Is that a tactic for pummeling flight sickness, or for an an uneasiness with the actual concept of flying?

basically i think that every time i get on a plane, it's going to crash or blow up or whatever. i've been know to start crying when turbulence occurs.

i would like to state that, in my limited and humble experience, blacking out more than 1x/year qualifies you as a problem drinker.

Am I the only one who's been fighting the urge to start "i just got in a fight with my boyfriend about me blacking up last night" parody thread for the last 24 hours?

That's me fucked then.

xpost

no, noodle. i actually first read the title as 'i just got in a fight with my boyfriend about me backing up last night'

So many possibilities.

basically i think that every time i get on a plane, it's going to crash or blow up or whatever. i've been know to start crying when turbulence occurs.

Me too. I now have Ativan on hand every time I fly. I've never drank with them though because I think that can be bad. Right?

I'm afraid of taking anything on a plane because of the motion sickness.

yes, it's bad in the sense that you'll get totally loopy and very intoxicated. and you'll probably forget things. i understand now why famous people get in trouble at airports/on planes for hitting staff or just acting inappropriately.

yeah bell sorry to cheese you off but "myth" is just some ripe bullshit. sure: most anybody can black out, it could conceivably mean you just overdid it. once yr into "blackouts" plural it means you're repeating a behavior that ended in an undesirable result = classic addict behavior. I know this sounds moralistic to ppl but it actually isn't, that's sorta some weird societal baggage ppl bring to talking about alcohol.

I think what we're all nitpicking over is exactly how plural and... fuck it I dunno. For me personally, my drinking is so infrequent that my tolerance is nil, making it very easy to overdo it with just an extra beer or two. I just have to pay closer attention to how much I've eaten, slept, learn one of these days how to count, etc... I dunno, maybe what I'm saying is actually argument for my drinking being an even more volatile problem...

john do you feel like your music has engaged you in a reckless lifetyle in the past? did it help your music? do you feel like it makes it ok to be a drunk if you sing pretty when you're off the handle? (that's an expression right?)

yeah john but in the same post i said "but sometimes drinking that much just sneaks up on you. if this is something that that happens accidentally a few times i don't think it's that big a deal. unless you are endangering yourself/others when you get in that state, driving a car, etc."

surmounter didn't say how many times he blacked out or how common it was, but people are told all through highschool/drug education if you black out one time, omg you're an alcoholic get into AA now is kind of misleading.

eh pretend that last sentence makes grammatical sense

sex, drugs and punk folk

and herpes

Well, the problem is that the difference between a person who drinks too much occasionally and a bona-fide alcoholic isn't exactly super-clear-cut. A sentence like

i feel like as long as i'm not pissing my bed or getting in fights with cops i have nothing to worry about.

can't help but set off some major alarm bells, though. Most of the raging alcoholics I've known aren't doing this stuff either, but whether or not you wet the bed doesn't make a lot of difference to your liver. (Kidneys, on the other hand...)

Where would I actually read up on this?

Google search for "blacking out and alcohol" and "Jellinek Phases" and you'll find all sorts of links.

Here's a chart someone made of the Jellinek Phases, including onset of blackout:

http://www.coe.ohio-state.edu/pgranello/Substance/jellinek.htm

"Drinking with inferiors"

a couple of bumps in the bathroom will usually cure the blackouts. y'know, in case you don't have enough problems as it is.

Yeah, that struck me as a very odd wording as well.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean but it's a tiny aspect of a bigger theory. Jellinek's Wiki entry says he disclaimed the chart but not his underlying research.

"drinking with inferiors" made me think of mars bar.

It makes me think of Jeeves in Wake Up, Sir! by Jonathan Ames.

haha lauren i thought the exact same thing.

i mean, really... what was i thinking.

I want to turn that chart into a song or maybe a concept album

You could make it a double album, the first disc for the first three phases and the second disc for rehab.

rock opera.

regular old opera.

rock oprah

john do you feel like your music has engaged you in a reckless lifetyle in the past? did it help your music? do you feel like it makes it ok to be a drunk if you sing pretty when you're off the handle? (that's an expression right?)

no man I wasn't making music when I was living that life. I started making music after I stopped trying to kill myself.

that's stedman's job kerm.

wall in the middle of the street

You'd think it would have been easier to find when they went back.

haha i know

where the fuck is my wallet

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/The_Moray_Eels_Eat_The_Space_Needle_album_cover.gif

and my keys. it's like... i got in the door

the most information i have is a receipt from "Pizza express"

For all it's harbinger of doom connotations, blacking out can be a little funny when it results in your friend finding a personalised keyring with a photograph of the two of you looking completely ossified on it.

i just had to call HSBC to put a temporary block on my CC. she was like asking me security questions. "where was the last atm you used"

"somewhere in manhattan"

"i need to know the exact location"

"manhattan"

I lost 2 wallets and a phone in the first 3 months of this year, I feel yr pain surm.

i just found my wallet, keys and umbrella in a neat pile on my bathroom floor.

That reminds me of an old housemate who couldn't find his watch the next morning after a drinking session, then I went out and found the watch on the front step.

Took me a few hours to find my glasses today, which considering they were in plain sight all the time, was a bit shit.

i haven't had a total blackout night since january; i apparently yelled a bunch of ridiculous incoherent shit at some girl i had just met and had been hitting it off with. her name's kaitlin, later she told me it was funny, if a bit loud. she said i howled like a wolf like 30 times.

You! You were Conor Smedley the whole time!

that morning i woke up face down on a dude's floor with my glasses completely crushed underneath me, my shoes were in the back yard, being rained on/in

xpost HA!!!!!!!!1

that last post was a lie, actually i woke up naked in a field with blood all over my face

my friends have since accused me of being a werewolf, to be fair; that night was a full moon! also i really have woken up before naked with blood on my face but that wasn't from wolfing out.

Alcohol can have a dramatic impact on memory. Alcohol primarily disrupts the ability to form new long–term memories; it causes less disruption of recall of previously established long–term memories or of the ability to keep new information active in short–term memory for a few seconds or more. At low doses, the impairments produced by alcohol are often subtle, though they are detectable in controlled conditions. As the amount of alcohol consumed increases, so does the magnitude of the memory impairments. Large quantities of alcohol, particularly if consumed rapidly, can produce a blackout, an interval of time for which the intoxicated person cannot recall key details of events, or even entire events. En bloc blackouts are stretches of time for which the person has no memory whatsoever. Fragmentary blackouts are episodes for which the drinker’s memory is spotty, with “islands” of memory providing some insight into what transpired, and for which more recall usually is possible if the drinker is cued by others. Blackouts are much more common among social drinkers than previously assumed and should be viewed as a potential consequence of acute intoxication regardless of age or whether one is clinically dependent upon alcohol.

how 2 defrag?

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