Hellboy II: The Golden Army

Trailers look great.

cant wait for this shit

ya awesome trailer.

Ron Perlman doesn't star in enough films.

slocki what was the thread where we talked about the serious nightbreed vibes of the new trailer

looking forward to this!

psyched

Perlman does a great job with the Hellboy character. But he'll need a decent script if the movie's going to be any good. Hard to say in advance.

slocki what was the thread where we talked about the serious nightbreed vibes of the new trailer

-- and what, Friday, June 13, 2008 3:12 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hahaha i saw hulk last nightand saw the trailer for this and was thinking "omg this is so nightbreed"

Ron Perlman doesn't star in enough films.

-- Ned Raggett, Friday, June 13, 2008 3:11 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^

i can't remember!

was it a poll

The only other things RP's done of late aside from Hellboy that I've seen are:

- an ultra-shitty episode of Showtime's Masters of Horror series
- voice work for Halo II & III
- some awful horror flick concerning Catholic school girls w/ magical powers and demonic possession; he gets semi-seduced & sonned halfway through

BUT he's going to be in this show (from one of the staff writers of The Shield) starting in the September on FX!

yes, THE September -- THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

ron perlman was the best thing about 'blade II'. def looking forward to this, the first 'hellboy' was a blast.

last year RP was in 'in the name of the king'. ;_;

Oh lord.

this trailer absolutely blew my mind when I saw it...del toro is a genius

I will zoot up big time and watch this, even though the most recent Hellboy comic (BPRD, actually) featured the asstacular pencils of Herb Trimpe. Not even Guy Davis' inks could fully redeem them.

Are they still doing animated movies for cartoon network? The first two were pretty good.

AT FIRST THERE WAS JUST THE WHITE HAIRED GUY AND I WAS LIKE OMG ARE THEY MAKING A MOVIE ABOUT DROW ELVES BUT THEN PERLMAN SHOWED UP AND IT WAS LIKE HELL THE FUCK YEAH

OR MAYBE A LUCIUS MALFOY ORIGN STORY

BUT HOORAY IT'S HELLBOY

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damn!

I was all excited when I saw the posters in the theatre but then I saw the trailer and I was like "meh"

at least they brought back selma blair

still more interested in seeing this than norton hulk or the dark knight or whatever they're going to trudge through the cineplex this summer

when's the dr. strange movie coming out?

I hope the script is better for this.

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I was all excited when I saw the posters in the theatre but then I saw the trailer and I was like "meh"

at least they brought back selma blair

-- Edward III, Monday, June 16, 2008 7:23 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

exact opposite reaction i had

I hope the script is better for this.

-- kingfish, Monday, June 16, 2008 10:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

than 1? ya me too.

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PSYCHED

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he has eaten the pancake.

the end

i really love mignola's artwork.

shit i think i ought to drop $$$ on like all of the hellboy trades

1946: Hellboy eats pancakes for the first time. The demons of Pandemonium lament that he will never return to them now.

shit i think i ought to drop $$$ on like all of the hellboy trades

DO THIS

I strangely want to see this, wasn't crazy about the first one though. I just want an actual good comic book movie!

that's exactly what it was!

Really? I guess that aspect just went over my head. =)

after hulk i'm pretty close to being pretty fucking sick of comic book movies at this point...

is that sarcasm or something?

because i hope not, the trailer for this looked fucking awful

actually hulk looked watchable by comparison

it's not sarcasm. i'm sick of comic book movies. even tho i'm looking forward to this & batman. after that, i need a break.

haha, it was easier to find this panel that I thought:

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The Hellboy tpbs are excellent, and a far better way to enjoy the series. I like how Mignola draws from the same mythic pool as, say, Gaiman or Moore do, only with a far more smart-assed (American?) irreverent vibe.

also, mignola = full-on steampunk fan

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i am so fine with that kind of steampunk. and league of extraordinary gentlemen. etc.

just get those brass fittings off yr mp3 player

But I like marching band music.

Total fan of Hellboy. Great Jack Kirby energy in all of Mignola's work. Del Toro can do no wrong.

The Hellboy tpbs are excellent, and a far better way to enjoy the series. I like how Mignola draws from the same mythic pool as, say, Gaiman or Moore do, only with a far more smart-assed (American?) irreverent vibe.

Honestly I find Gaiman's "oh look at me I read a book once" approach kind of insufferable. Mignola's approach, far from smartassed, strikes me as far more respectful of the source material and consequently richer, more compelling, and more mysterious.

The Hellboy trades may need their own thread, really...

^^^ otm on gaiman vs mignola

the hellboy trades are great but it's hard not to blow through one in 5 min.

easy if you linger on the purty pitchers

FOPP had all the TPBs discounted when the first movie came out. Still kicking myself for not loading up.

They really should do a "Wolves Of St. August" movie. Crepey-est Hellboy tale.

"Wolves of St. August" is indeed the JOINT. Spooky and sad, but so perfect as graphlit that a movie could only bring it down.

is that the name of a volume?

yes

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Also collected with more goodies in Trade #3...

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GET trade #3

I think the first 15 minutes (the origin section) of the prior Hellboy movie are up there with the best comics ---> film adaptations ever. Del Toro totally hooked the vibe of the stories - art, everything - in that little bit. I hope the new one carries on but the trailer seems a little too , I dunno, whimsical?

carries that on.

i haven't bought a comic book in at least a decade, but I was gravitating towards them in the bookstore a few hours ago. That + movie anticipation = heading out right now to pick up the wolves of st. august.

I don't know that I've ever actually seen The Wolves of Saint August on the shelf. Better just get trades 1/2/3...

I think the first 15 minutes (the origin section) of the prior Hellboy movie are up there with the best comics ---> film adaptations ever. Del Toro totally hooked the vibe of the stories - art, everything - in that little bit. I hope the new one carries on but the trailer seems a little too , I dunno, whimsical?

-- Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:18 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

100% agree

except about the new trailer. i meant about the opening of 1

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^^^^ dopest hellboy imo

i really can't remember which one i have

oh wait, that's it. carry on

I need to buy some Hellboy TPBs.

I bought the first few issues right when they came out. Are these worth anything?

I've always loved Mignola...

Tomorrow! (Though I'll probably see it Saturday.)

CNN interview with Ron P here.

Del Toro persisted and eventually won out, casting Perlman as the colossal red-skinned Hellboy, who stomps on evil demons then unwinds with his cigars, cheap beer and menagerie of kittens.

:D

It is such a beautiful sentence.

i didnt know dude was actually 58 - basically same age as hellboy!!

kinda weird that a guy born during ww2 is dating selma blair

i guess being the son of satan is weird too

i'm totally going to see this!

o man hellboy videogame has bruce campbell playing LOBSTER JOHNSON
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Holy heck.

trailer for the first one looked hella corny to me, then i eventually saw it and liked it and was hyped for the sequel. but now the new one's trailer makes it look super lame too. maybe it's the voiceover?

isnt it the same dude from the wall-e/idiocracy trailers?

Yet Perlman is best-known for creature-feature parts, an animal-human hybrid in Marlon Brando's "The Island of Dr. Moreau" or a Nosferatu-like alien in "Star Trek: Nemesis."

bullshit, nobody knows him from Nemesis.

uh, no mention of creature feature beauty and the beast?

cant wait to see this

stoked

i had so much fun watching this. chock full of genuine eye candy.

Nice. Definitely catching a late morning screening tomorrow.

I saw the midnight showing last night (nerd alert!). It was of course, AWESOME.

this was bad

so pompous and overcooked without any of the down n dirty grounding of the first one

hey how about another shot of a bunch of cgi fairy crap while the danny elfman choir soars

also just in case the love story between hellboy & liz wasn't tacked on enough we get one that makes their unconvincing relationship seem like fuckin casablanca

ugh

disappointed

hey remember when hellboy was cynical and only was learning to drop the sarcasm because he had a crush on a girl? dont expect any of that this time

you know a movie is in trouble when one of the best things in it is seth macfarlene

without any of the down n dirty grounding of the first one

...

makes their unconvincing relationship seem like fuckin casablanca

You were convinced by Casablanca?

another thread, another time.

I'm not saying the movie's perfect by any means: the main villain's kinda lame and some plot points are rather forced or underwritten but the movie is having such fun with it all that it mostly makes you go along with it.

hey remember when hellboy was cynical and only was learning to drop the sarcasm because he had a crush on a girl? dont expect any of that this time

I don't get this at all. Isn't the point of Hellboy that he's essentially not a cynic and wants to be loved, despite his appearance and origin?

And he was plenty sarcastic in this.

maybe i'm wrong, whatever, but i still enjoyed the fuck out of this.

Isn't the point of Hellboy that he's essentially not a cynic and wants to be loved, despite his appearance and origin

print Hellboy >>>>> screen Hellboy

Eels -- bad

Barry Manilow -- good

Saw this last night...I think ethan is pretty otm. It looked great, excellent character design and production design, but everything else was reheated leftovers.

saw this last night. whole thing came off pretty flat. action scenes weren't too exciting, comedic bits were pretty lame. oh well.

Okay I'm a little o_0 at discovering Luke Goss from Bros was the bad guy.

like he was in Blade II. gotta agree trailer for this looked great but all the corny lines put me right off.

like he was in Blade II

True, but I keep forgetting del Toro did that one!

Anyway, another overlong ramble from me.

perlman was born in 1950.

and is inexplicably not a member of the sons of lee marvin.

Way disappointing. Wasn't a huge fan of the first Hellboy (well done, but just not my thing...), but this one looked interesting.

Too self-aware, too much winking at the audience, not much...excitement. Other than the first 10 minutes of the movie, I didn't feel like it ever knew where it was going.

The "drunk" scene was rock bottom.

Too big, too bright, too fast, too fake.

I just got a headache out of it, nothing else.

I really wanted to love it, too.

WHY DID THEY CHNG THE COLOUR OF THE FIRE FROM BLEU TO ORANGE???/??

I enjoyed it! From this movie, I mostly wanted wise-crackin' awesome Perlman, pretty special effects and plenty of punching and what-not, and that's what I got. I'm not really sure what you dudes were expecting - they even cut out the chaff from the first film (that newbie guy who got introduced into the BPRD got completely written out with one line who was sort of the star).

Drunk Hellboy for second act defeat, c'mon, that was funny! Giant plant elemental! Really pretty creature and set design... everywhere! The German robot character was very amusing! Selma Blair actually getting a full part! Fun times.

i really loved that fairytale puppet intro

Ned,

Nice review, but one minor correction--David Hyde Pierce didn't voice Abe Sapien in the latest movie.

was actually Jones himself apparently.

Really? Impressive if so!

yea. will say the Angel of Death was my favorite character though.

i was not disappointed by this but i wasn't really expecting anything more than cool creature design & effects (guys, the average hellboy comic is pretty skeletal, there's even less to it than this). the fatherhood/"give him something to live for" stuff was pretty corny, but what can you do.

Pretty dull. It didn't have any energy at all - the fight scenes were all boring, and Cthulhu >>>>>>> Pan's Labyrinth (and I liked PL a lot... just not in a comic book movie).

I actually thought the drunk scene was a highlight - Hellboy reading the name of the sappy love song and deadpanning "I'm gonna need a beer too" or something = lolz.

Yeah I loved the drunk scene as well -- that whole stretch was the funniest part of the movie for me (and the audience) as opposed to the random bits of quick snark.

surprised that everyone disliked this, i agree with latebloomer basically, the movie is having so much fun that i can bypass everything else

by bypass i mean ignore the shitty bits, i guess... i dunno ive never read the comic so maybe i wasnt expecting anything more? but honestly i laughed, i was invested--maybe one too many fight scenes, "people hate hellboy" never really developed.

the death-angel thing looked fuckin awesome. selma blair was way hot too.

This was kinda flat for me, for every bit of fx eye candy there was something that looked kinda lousy (hello, Hellboy as a child prologue) and the 'funny' dialogue never even got up to the level of wit displayed in even the most generic comic book/super hero movies. Like they wrote a draft with a bunch of parts that just said "sassy exchange between Hellboy and Jeffrey Tambor," then never went back and came up with anything halfway clever for anyone to say.

definitely didn't have a huge amount of fun with this one, other than the beginning and end.

also why did her flame change color

This movie made me hate steampunk.

Okay I'm a little o_0 at discovering Luke Goss from Bros was the bad guy.

-- Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 July 2008 21:42 (2 weeks ago) Link

uh.... that just melted my brain

I'm not alone!

Cruddy, half-assed, poorly though out, and uneven/unsuccesful in tone. Still dug it. Monsters and sets were great, endless eye candy, some funny character bits, and it had a cheerful attitude toward it's own cruddiness. I also had a good time playing spot the reference (Princess Mononoke, Bekinski, Barlowe, etc.). Seems like something that would be good to catch on Sunday afternoon TV.

Okay I'm a little o_0 at discovering Luke Goss from Bros was the bad guy.

I hung around for the credits specifically to find out who played the Prince. Something in my brain seriously broke when I saw that. But, then again, good for Luke. But. Whoah.

I had lots of fun! A couple of things I had to decode - what was the point of the lecture on temper (none- just exposition of kraus' real talents so the preface to the boss fight makes sense) and why do they ALL quit, besides jeffrey tambor is even lamer in this one than in the first?

I did NOT like luke goss as the elf
I also was a little disappointed how easily the giant blue tusk badger with the fucking cool grapple hand went down.
Cathedral Head was cool. Death was so-so.

otherwise basically a blast, and inasmuch as "spot the reference" I'm pretty sure there's like three Ryuichi Sakamoto album titles hidden in the background of various shots but I'm weird.

Plus "See You Next _ednes_ay"

I really enjoyed this film. I liked the drunk singing bit too, and I love "Can't Smile Without You". I found the scar-faced elf princess quite attractive. The set design and creatures were pretty great, and overall, I'd say this film was more engaging than a lot of other summer blockbusters I've seen.

Why was the John Hurt character an old man in the intro, in 1955? He was just a youngster when he discovered Hellboy in 1944, in the first movie.

::shakes fist at hellboy series inconsistencies::

yea i thought this was rly good, and i'd forgotten the first one and have 0x interest in comicss etc.

Thought it was pretty great but felt weirdly am-dram in places - awkward pauses, badly written or delivered lines; all the scenes with the disabled goblin blacksmith character in particular seemed kinda weak.

this movie has the best special effects i've seen in a while. visually it's really crazy, almost overwhelming

o_O at negative reactions in this thread, this wasn't perfect but it was fun and engaging

selma blair looked way good in this.

my only complaint is that i prefer the lovecraft-style elder gods fantasy shit over the tolkein-ish elves. i fucking loved the angel of death or whatever it was at the end. the sound design was incredible.

DVD arrived yesterday. Somehow we managed to miss this in the cinema. Will watch tomorrow night. Looking forward to it.

I enjoyed this but I wasn't bothering too much with things like 'plot'. The elves were rubbish though.

I loved the first half, disliked the second. Pretty much straight downhill after the plant elemental. Not a rapid descent, but a gentle rolling slope to meh.

i disliked the first one intensely- i'd be lying if i said i could remember why, tbh.

now i'm torn because of all the great word of mouth.

The weather was so bad on my holidays, I ended up seeing this at Tralee multiplex, just to get out of the rain. In retrospect, I think I would getting soaked might have been preferable.

wow. getting soaked in tralee better than this.

anyway- this above -

the fatherhood/"give him something to live for" stuff was pretty corny, but what can you do

has just made my mind up. avoid.

Just bought gf that Chained Coffin graphic novel for xmas (she's into graphic novels, tho I haven't got into it myself). She's not read any Hellboy but thinks both films are awesome. Please tell me I bought the right one!

People hating on Hellboy makes Cosmo & Bob sad.

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selma blair looked way good in this.

yes!

oh jeez ppl, cornball shit in a film based on a graphic novel character is practically in the dna of the whole genre. hellboy 2's awesome stuff trumps the lame stuff.

Exactly; it's a film about a giant red occult-crime-fighting demon dude who likes cats and chili; if you're expecting Brief Encounter or Citizen Kane, piss off.

lazy cliches turn me off any genre.

Says darraghmac.

lazy cliches turn me off any genre

ok this sentence is great guys

I have another version let me know if it is as relevatory as the first ok?

"I disapprove of genre pieces - the incessant scrambling, even by the most gifted auteurs, for any crutch available so that they may pursue their descent into mundane schlock - it renders such works unenjoyable to me, on any level, certainly not in the context of my precious spare time at home with my personal dvd player and television set"

yep, you nailed it. but mine had brevity.

actually, what i was saying was that just because the movie was about a 'giant red occult-crime-fighting demon dude who likes cats and chili' doesn't excuse it from plot clunkers.

Who gives a shit about plot what about all the giant monster fight scenes?

yeah i saw the first one and that was kinda what bothered me about it.

Lazy cliches turn me off any poster.

gah how the fuck did I screw up "revelatory" at such an hour

yeah, you said that SM- is that your new lazy cliche?

Oh yes.

this movie looked amazing but something about it was kind of shitty... i mostly really enjoyed the cornball cliches of #1 but the writing in this one seemed really perfunctory and lame, none of the scenes seemed to work, the character stuff was just wrong somehow.

still, wicked monsters!

also i always thought abe sapien was supposed to be gayer than C3PO, what was with the straight love interest? who are they kidding?

It could have got away with being half an hour longer. The opening third felt really rushed.

my problem wasn't that it was too short.

I barely remembered the first movie (other than the hilariously uyseless skeleton guy Hellboy carried on his back for a few minutes) and I've never read the comics so maybe that helped my enjoyment of this more?

I did find myself wondering how much tecate ponied up for dudes to drink all these beers you can hardly even find in the states (regular tecate maybe, tecate light? how do you even get drunk on that?)

you actually have to have as many as hellboy

I can't remember a thing about the first one and haven't seen the sequel. Did Rupert Evans' character die in the first one? If not, how come he's not in the sequel?

"it's a film about a giant red occult-crime-fighting demon dude who likes cats and chili; if you're expecting Brief Encounter or Citizen Kane, piss off."

OTM. As a GOTH PARENT, I have to say they've nailed my tiny demographic: entire family loves the movies, and the animated features as well. Only Dr.Who hits the same spot.

I liked this maybe a little more than the first, even though the tone of the first was def. darker and closer to comics Hellboy for me. Looks like Del Toro got a few extra $$ for the production budget this time 'round and it shows. Beautiful FX work.

Just stayed up late watching it, and now I'm grinning like a loon! So much wit and imagination. Fuck the Dark Knight, this was the best comic book movie of 2008.

yeah, thinking about watching this again soon

Are the animated features worth bothering with?

yeah, I would rather see this again than the Dark Knight!

i just saw Hellboy II -- i'm not TOTALLY negative about it, but i'm with everyone upthread who didn't like it as much as the first Hellboy. it wasn't anywhere near as original or thrilling as the first Hellboy -- too much Hellboy whining like a pussy about his problems with Sherman and not enough of him just fucking shit up! that part of the movie reminded me of nothing so much as Satan's relationship problems with Saddam Hussein and Chris from South Park. the Troll Market scenes pretty much ripped off the Star Wars cabana scene (not to mention Abe Sapien's fishy take on C3PO), and the Golden Army was just some warmed-over Terminator shit. plus, who's bright idea was it to cast Luke Goss as a villain? dude was about as threatening as the hair-metal Nelson Brothers (whom he resembled a little TOO much) or Dani Filth (without the matching rubber nipple suits from "her shadow in the fog" video).

i DID like the drinking scene though!

mostly enjoyed this

worst thing: USE OF BANK GOTHIC TYPEFACE

so lazy