Marriage Protection Kit

4. Upholding traditional marriage is not "discrimination"

Discrimination occurs when someone is unjustly denied some benefit or opportunity. But it must first be demonstrated that such persons deserve to be treated equally regarding the point in question. For example, FAA and airline regulations rightly discriminate regarding who is allowed into the cockpit of an airplane. Those who are not trained pilots have no rightful claim to "discrimination" because they are denied the opportunity to fly an airplane. Similarly, the accumulated wisdom of thousands of years of human history, as expressed in virtually all cultures, has defined marriage as between a man and a woman. Homosexual activists conveniently avoid the question of whether homosexual relationships merit being granted equality with marriage. Although not strictly comparable, radically altering the definition of marriage can also pose dangers to society in much the same way as permitting unqualified individuals to fly airplanes.

thread of counterfeit marriages

Am I surprised by the frivolous and underhand use of 'statistics'?

Children should not be placed in unstable households with revolving bedroom doors.

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"although not strictly comparable"

The accumulated wisdom of human history also indicated that slavery was a-ok just a few hundred years ago.

I'm going to do a translation of the Bible wherein every reference to Eve is replaced by "Steve" and then where will those slogan-trading bigots be?

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haha is that an actual frczing.jpg or something?

it is from the frc page, yah

LOGIC ERROR: Father's day applies to both parent #1 and parent #2.

Happy Fathers' Day

um no because only parent #1 can wear the pants, obviously

lol do married gays have on of the dudes wearing a dress all the time i bet they do

Homosexual marriage would radically redefine marriage to include virtually any sexual behavior.

HOT DAMN!

Defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman would not deny homosexuals the basic civil rights accorded other citizens. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights or in any legislation proceeding from it are homosexuals excluded from the rights enjoyed by all citizens--including the right to marry. However, no citizen has the unrestricted right to marry whomever they want. A person cannot marry a child, a close blood relative, two or more spouses, or the husband or wife of another person. Such restrictions are based upon the accumulated wisdom not only of Western civilization but also of societies and cultures around the world for millennia.

much wisdom accumulated

I accumulate much hard one

lol @ lock, ben... and a baby!

*locke

wow that totally went on the wrong thread!

though it kind of fits...

I was hoping that the "marriage protection kit" would include things such as chastity belts and buttplugs to prevent homosexuals and other miscreants from sneaking their way into yr trousers.

http://www.rageroo-celeb-movies.com/tour/rageroo/A/AMY%20YASBECK/ROBIN%20HOOD%20MEN%20IN%20TIGHTS/Rageroo-Amy_Yasbeck-Robin_Hood_Men_In_Tights-02.jpg

If victorious, the homosexual agenda will lead to the persecution of those who object on moral or religious grounds

^that had to have been hard to type in

I actually ordered the marriage protection kit, just to be on the safe side - it contains a rather shocking amount of pornography

the porn is for you to use, in order to save your marriage

marriage protection kit

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i think these guys need to adopt 'homogenda' if they havent already

A persecution is coming. The values that Catholics (and other people of faith) hold as sacred are being outlawed. Ostensibly this illegalization of faith takes the guise of creating new “freedoms” or “rights.” These new “rights” are new and are false - rights are not created by the state - rights are endemic to being human - they can be recognizes by a state, but they cannot be created. When a new “right” is created by a state is better termed license (as in permission). These new licenses are beginning to be used to deny actual rights. We already see the right to life denied in the name of “freedom to choose abortion,” expect to see freedom of religion fall as it becomes illegal to hold religious beliefs.

This looming persecution seems inevitable with the West on its continuing 40+ year hedonistic binge, and rejection of morality. The time is coming when we will each need to choose what side we are on. Will you worship God and follow his precepts? Will you stand up and be counted no matter what the cost? Or will follow the state - supporting the “change” that it and its ministers preach?

J0hn where do you find this stuff? And how do these mouthbreathers even figure out how to turn a computer on, let alone htmlz0r? The hardest part of any rational debate on the subject is resisting the urge to wipe the drool off their lips. ARGH.

a friend of mine posted http://bp3.blogger.com/_QMfEDKKiOLw/SFaEku8FjJI/AAAAAAAAAoA/SmLByyDnFmA/s1600-h/fathersday.jpg and I followed the yellow brick road

dammit

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attempting image post #2

fuck this shit

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There aren't enough bags of dicks in the world to feed these people.

Considering the amount of persecution that people of faith have visited on others, it might be a good experience for them to be on the receiving side for once.

uh

Please tell me there are some words missing there that make that statement less stupid.

Dan I demand my propers from you that I no longer say shit like that

Okay, I could put apostrophes on persecution but when you look at the charming acts of persecution from burning to imprisonment to ostracism/forced emigration to incarceration visited on unbelievers, apostates, and 'deviants' by just the Catholic Church, the Orthodox churches, and the several Protestant denominations, their feelings of persecution are so beyond the pale of any rational definition of persecution as to be downright laughable, only the subject ain't that funny since we're talking about their right to discriminate based on people's essential natures (or at least that's where the science seems to be headed and that's anecdotally what I've always been told) as opposed to some kind of elective.

Uh - so what exactly are you advocating?

...indulge a thrill of glee that they feel "persecuted"?

The fact that you are using "people of faith" as shorthand to mean "the Catholic Church" is somewhat telling; the people who were victims of everything you've described were also people of faith.

IOW stop saying stupid shit in your rush to gloat about something.

I spoke (wrote) intemperately but I've really had it up to here with people whose long traditions of intolerance are well documented but obscure to themselves crying foul at supposed discrimination against them, when we try to provide for a secular level playing field. If they want to 'protect marriage' do away with divorce - that lead to the greater amount of human happiness, didn't it? Why not bring back stoning for adultery and all the other totalitarian forms of social control they so esteem? They seem to posit a society where only Christian norms are the default and everyone else can either conform or be marginalized. I'm not sure the State should even be in the marriage game; let the State regulate civil unions and let your marriage be between you, your partner and God, as was originally intended.

(I'm doubly in a foul mood, today, because unlike during the 'Winter of Love', this time all the wacky protesters have had time to get prepared and come and tell newlyweds how they're going to hell, which seems to me the worst kind of churlishness to display at someone's marraige.)

man Dan even though you're right, OK, like clearly right - you can dig how when you look at the history of Christianity from a certain angle you can get to thinking, "fuck, some of those guys deserve to get as good as they've given," right? IOW Laurel OTM, when an obnoxious reactionary Xian group says they feel persecuted, I can't imagine part of me not wanting to say "Ooh! Persecuted, eh? How's it feel?"

Dan, I most certainly do NOT mean only Catholics. The Puritans, the Calvinists of Geneva, the Orthodox Churches from Greece to Moscow have all indulged in this kind of behavior.

"people of faith" as shorthand to mean "the Catholic Church"
v.
"just the Catholic Church, the Orthodox churches, and the several Protestant denominations,"

My point was more that if you are going to criticize a group of people for forcing people to conform to their values as the default set of values, doing so in terms that tacitly says "your values are the default set of values" by, say, taking a broad term like "people of faith" and using it where you actually mean "the Catholic church"/"evangelical Protestantism"/etc is really stupid.

the people who were victims of everything you've described were also people of faith.

Not all. Some were 'freethinkers', atheists, stoics...

Dan, 'people of faith' is their ecumenical term, quoted from John's link. Wtf?

right so, can we get back to how gay marriage is going to throw us down a slippy slope and pretty soon every necrophiliac transexual will have the right to marry their dead moms, or something

Why are you giving them that term?

and yes, i mean MOMS, PLURAL

Why are you giving them that term?

this question alludes to the term "necrophiliac transexual" in elmo's post I assume

elmo, i realize you are being sarcastic, & i am sympathetic to your plight, but srsly when it comes to the fucking both your dead moms thing, well, there is a line we must draw between excusable illness & inexcusable wrongness

and thats not even touching on the transexual aspect

these nuts will touch no transexual

Why are you giving them that term?

Fair beans. I shouldn't; I suppose my atheism is as much an act of faith and I certainly know of lots of progressive churches that shouldn't be lumped in with these cretins but I shy from theological polemics like a necrophiliac transsexual shies from a living mother.

this question alludes to the term "necrophiliac transexual" in elmo's post I assume

duh

(I love schadenfreude a lot more than the next guy but I prefer to indulge in it in a way that can't be used to bolster the feelings of the people I'm laughing at, even if they aren't watching me laugh at them.)

these fundies are just afraid of the IMMINENT CALIGULASTIC REVOLUTION

all downhill from here, folks

See, I'm being just as bad as laughing at them, I'm pointing them in the chest with my finger and saying, "Quit being such hypocritical dicks!" I am not laughing, however. They have as much right to their loony ideas as I have to mine - I just don't want theirs to come to fruition.

Necrophiliac transsexual marriage is a VICTIMLESS crime, people!

won't someone think of the pants

For context, here in Michael White land there really is a line of goatse-sized assholes parading around City Hall singing songs and carrying "OUTLAW SODOMY" signs, and they need to get off of my fucking lawn.

And re: "people of faith," it's usually used disingenuously precisely by people who want to put on the mantle of the persecuted minority whenever they're asked politely to STFU and go back to their caves. How they have time to fear the gays in between bouts of being amazed by fire I'll never know.

And I'm not afraid to sound all obamelitist about this. I'm right, they're wrong, and I've really had it up to here.

Plus, it's a slippery slope from opposing gay marriage to opposing all marriage. I mean, aren't ALL weddings pretty gay?

I have nothing against people who don't wear them (pants) BUT WHY DO THEY HAVE TO GET UP IN MY FACE ABOUT IT.

And re: "people of faith," it's usually used disingenuously precisely by people who want to put on the mantle of the persecuted minority whenever they're asked politely to STFU and go back to their caves.

This is exactly why I don't want to cede that term to them.

I will donate 10k to the Obama campaign if he makes "you know, weddings are already pretty gay" the public face of his position on this issue

I seriously want to pay someone else to show at the next wedding at Phelps' church in Kansas with placards telling them to repent before 50+ years of soul-eroding sexual boredom inure them to their mistaken and insipid 'lifestyle choices'. Wherever they're all staying in town, I hope someone pisses like a racehorse in the sink.

Ha ha, rogermexico and John.

I will donate 10k to the Obama campaign if he makes "you know, weddings are already pretty gay" the public face of his position on this issue

please please please let this happen...

This is exactly why I don't want to cede that term to them.

Oh man. I really have to respect the hell out of this position.

I'm going to a gay wedding in July - on a yacht in the Bay! If I know my friend, he might turn into gay bridezilla. I can't wait!

gay weddings are pretty gay.

Nobody expects the spanish investigation!

FAIL

the spanish investigation!

preceded the spanish inquisition?

I think Michael White is basically correct here.

Anyway, I think the next Phelps wedding/service should be picketed with "HATE THE SINNER/LOVE THE SIN" signs, mostly because I think it would confuse the hell out of them.

See also the spanish inquest, the spanish inquiry, and the spanish persons of interest.

I hate to tell you guys this but the Phelps church consists almost exclusively of the Phelps family, I don't think they do many/maybe any weddings

How do they maintain their membership then?

Bet Dick Cheney can answer that one haw.

I hate to tell you guys this but the Phelps church consists almost exclusively of the Phelps family, I don't think they do many/maybe any weddings

lol and you say you know how cults work! lol

Man with man: SIN
Woman with woman: SIN
Father with daughter: YES PLEASE

hd those guys are way way way beyond the concept of confusion

jd lol

xpsss

Cult of J0hn D@rni3ll3, perhaps.

HAVE THE "SACRIFICES" OF FLDS TAUGHT US NOTHING

SIN THA HATERZ!!

What is the official position of the Cult of the D@rn J0hn on gay/poly/animal marriage anyways?

Your Serene Apostolic Highness's last encyclical on that was kind of hard to follow. Just sayin'...

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i just want to marry all these baby ducks

a couple years back I googled my high school swimming coach. found out he left teaching and coaching to become an ultra right wing columnist for some weekly in california. anti-gay marriage was one of his issues along with illegal immigration. scary, hateful stuff and doubly weird cause back in the day teh coach was a bodybuilder who lived w/his mother never seen in the presence of a woman taught at all-boys catholic high school spent all his free-time with teenage boys in bathing suits you get the idea. LOL but not very funny.
I bet this Phelps guy has similiar skeletons in the closet, so to speak.

i am sympathetic to the plight of the fathers-loving-daughters saints, but i think a line must be drawn between faith & sickness

my cult welcomes all who are willing to tithe enough potato chips

my cult welcomes all who are willing to tithe enough potato chips

Do they turn into blood or flesh or some bodily secretion when you eat them?

what if a marryin' gay folk made a solemn vow to never put his pecker in his partner's pooper, would that make it ok?

20 karats of diamonds on a platinum cock ring

wedding cake made of leather

The Westboro Church, headed by Fred Phelps, and made up of between 75 - 100 members, most from Phelps’s family, first reached the attention of the media during the funeral of Matthew Shepard, who was killed in a homophobic attack in 1999. The murder led to attempts of introducing hate crime legislation, and brought the issues of hate crime into prominence in the US.

from here

The only thing about Phelps cult that I kind of get is if I had church tax breaks/property tax breaks, I'd probably want to build a cheap olympic sized swimming pool, too.

uh, sorry for getting wacky

i use sarcastic derision to cope with this shit because otherwise i would become so angry my eyes would bug out and my teeth would turn into hot lava and tears of acid would corrode my face -- because of the rage and the recognition that all the shame i was taught to feel growing up and that i've tried for years to liberate myself from still has an effect on me

No kidding! If you've been forcefed for 20 years with a cork up your ass, it'll take a long, long time to get all that shit out of your system.

A leather wedding cake sounds pretty fucking boss, I must say.

A little chewy, no?

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OK, this is a bad Internerd joke, but here's a cult you can get behind:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6085/darnielleqz6.jpg

Cult of the D@rn J0hn, not dead, by the way.

Dan, on seeing that photo, maybe I need some religion. Stat.

hahaha