Canada

And Canadian comedians are the best.

It is fairly diffucult to explain Canadain Geopolitics but i will try. I am a prarie boy born and breed . We are taught to find Toronto unplseant. It is because tehy view themself as the center of the iniverese, because they have the center of the media and alot of polticalans and because they seem a little charmless (ie American)

Nicole : Come to Montreal ! Drinking age here = 18 :)

However, for all that Canada is great, my impression is that it will split into at least four countries in the next twenty years.

;)

Toronto is a really fun city, esp. for Americans with their strong dollar. There's a pretty large club and bar scene, good shopping, repertory movie theatres, good concerts, musicals, public transit, the whole shebang. It's a good place to live, certainly has its share of pretentious motherfuckers but so does any other large city you'd care to name. And the reason everybody else in the country hates it is the same reason everyone in the South hate New York, and why everyone in New York hate people in California, etc.

Just kidding...love it whenever I can get the opportunity to skip out over here and hop up to Vancouver. Toronto and Montreal are both nice places. Never been disappointed by Canada.

Cold weather, I am ready for ya'

'Rx drugs from Canada.
We have some of the l0west prices for drugs in the world.'

C'mon, Anthony, even if you don't want to visit Quebec, at least do it for your wife.

i've been to toronto several times and have had a great time every tim. my demands re music are pretty high and the bars and reastaurants are great. i can't fault the place. would move there tomorrow...

There's nothing I hate more than people who move to Montreal from Toronto, start cheering for the Canadiens, and start calling their hometown Tore-on-tow as opposed to Toronno (that's the way it's supposed to be pronounced damnit!!) in an attempt to sound all cool-like.

As for anthony's irrational hatred for Toronto, I keep trying to convince him that there's a lot of good stuff here, and I'm sure he'd love a lot of it. When I still lived in Manitoba I had the fear about Toronto and thought I'd hate it, but it's actually pretty cool all around.

Lake effect, has a real name but I forget it. If your from Engerland you might find it a bit harsh but Toronto winters are nothing compared to the rest of the country aside from BC supposed winters and Windsor/Sarnia.

(the fact that this thread entitled "canada" ended up largely about toronto should be evidence of why the city is so resented in canada, it's a ballhog not a tugboat)

Someone else can do the west.

gale is stretching the truth up there - spring and fall only happen every 3rd year-or-so in QC, and last about six hours each

That 16 lane east-west highway is an apocalyptic thing; I'd love to see it at rush hour!

Well, I'm still aiming at being there the last week of November.

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A woman being hugged by two men. One raises a fishing pole in glee.

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Football fans. One is wearing a cheese hat and one is making a blowjob face. (Pass.)

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She is waiting for your call to get these booklets. If this woman isn't hitched then there is something wrong with the world. We love you, Maggie!

Honestly, the whole thing embarrasses me. There are going to be a few decent bands at the showcases though. Let me find the posters though...they're frightening...

the theme is people in suits rejoicing. Like "Yo, slap me some skin, we just ripped off another artist and blamed it on the internet!"

Highway 401? Hey, no problem!

(if this works)

http://www.toronto.ca/trafficimages/loc12.jpg

conclusion, people who portray American Men of Power, and ergo have a keener understanding of geopolitik than anyone else, think Canada is the best.

http://zone.artizans.com/images/previews/MAC806.pvw.jpg

Bryan, get on AIM and tell me you have terrific news for me.

Cuz Alberta sucks and Manitoba blows!

Canadians, are you going to let this pass?

Ugh. Duct tape?

so wait does that one guy actually think that there aren't any police officers in Canada?

see, the thing with Canada, traditionally (ie, current gov't excepted), is that our defense strategy has largely been to not do dickish things that make other people hate us.

Bearded shithead actually used the word "evildoers" unironically.

These fuckers all smirk exactly like GWB.

srsly I like the image of a chase down 401 involving a hooligan in a car and a dude on horseback. this would make that Canadian knockoff of COPS way more exciting than just officers settling disputes between drunks and cab drivers.

FFS, is this a popular show? I don't recognize it. Does he seriously think every person in the military is going to take a year off? Oh man I have to pause it because the guy saying all of our cops--sorry, we only have mounties apparently--ride horses instead of cars suggests to me that my brain might explode if I have to listen to more of that crap. Ugh. Can we firebomb this station?

the thing about that horrible show is that it tries to be a comedy show, but nobody's actually funny or clever so they're all pretend laughing the entire show. it's really eerie.

Vibe of a midwestern frat house, except Monica Crowley has nothing but lipstick smeared around her mouth.

So, do we still hate Toronto?

Is Harper still the PM? Hasn't someone kicked his ass yet already? FFS.

I'm in Seoul until next January, so there isn't much I can do WRT kicking Harper's ass.

FWIW, I grew up in rural Ontario and hated Toronto until I lived there for a few months last year. Yeah, the city has a collective head-up-own-ass complex, but it's a pretty great place if you find the right people to hang out with.

Canada demands apology for Faux News Comments
The Canadian government has demanded an apology from Fox News for "despicable" and "disgusting" comments made on one of its late-night programs.

The government was incensed by a recent talk-show segment on the American conservative cable network that poked fun at Canada and the Canadian military. A group of pundits took turns trashing Canada and its reliability as an ally in fighting terrorism last week as four more Canadian soldiers were killed in separate attacks in Afghanistan.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay requested an apology just before leaving for Canadian Forces Base Trenton, where he was to attend a repatriation ceremony with the families of the latest soldiers killed.

"It's crass, it's insensitive, it's in fact disgusting, given the timing," MacKay said. "There should be an apology - to the families in particular, and to the Canadian Forces and to Canada generally - given the sacrifice and the commitment that we've demonstrated in Afghanistan."

A spokesman stressed that the Canadian government specifically wants an apology from the panelists who made the wisecracks - and not just from the Fox network at large.

"These are despicable, hurtful and ignorant comments," said Dan Dugas, a spokesman for MacKay.

"I think that so-called comedian should stare in the camera at his first opportunity and apologize to all of the families of people he's hurt with these despicable comments.

"And he's got to say, 'I was misinformed. I was ignorant of the truth and the contribution of the Canadian Forces to the war on terror, and I want to take it back. I know as a comedian that I can fail sometimes; I failed miserably at this so-called comedy.'

"And his panelists should say the same."

The segment features American panelists suggesting Canadian soldiers need time off for "manicures and pedicures."

"The Canadian military wants to take a breather to do some yoga, paint landscapes, run on the beach in gorgeous white capri pants," Gutfeld said with a sneer, adding: "Isn't this the perfect time to invade this ridiculous country? They have no army."

Another panelist, Doug Benson, said he didn't even know Canadian troops were in Afghanistan.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/03/video-canada-demands-fox-apology-for.html

K, the clip was weak but the government demanding an apology over that is pretty sad too.

New slogan: "Cold, self-deprecating, odd spellings, but still Triple-A!"

As an American, I'd make some sort of minor-league baseball joke, but it would just be too depressing on both of our parts.

We come for the donuts, we stay for the hard-headed socialism.

We're number three!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/canada-among-top-three-best-places-live-quality-195522175.html

(And I don't even think Easy Availability of Crack was one of the metrics.)

We've been plummeting on the UN's Human Development Index: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2013_report

We had a lock on the #1 spot at one time (10 years I believe?).

And afaict that "#3 overall ranking" is something journalists came up with by giving an equal weighting to every indicator and adding them up. The OECD does not give an overall ranking; I would really question whether 'life satisfaction' or 'trust in government' or even 'self-reported health' should be given the same weighting as e.g. life expectancy, employment, income, or safety from crime.

I heard some interview on some Canadian interview show about some web series called "The Plateaus,"about rival Canadian indie bands and maybe notable for reuniting the cast of some other Canadian show, called "Popular Mechanics for Kids." So I watched a couple of episodes, and ... man, it was terrible. But I bet if I were Canadian it would be funnier, just because I would recognize the cast of "Popular Mechanics for Kids" not as their current famous Hollywood selves (Jay Baruchel, Elisha Cuthbert) and more as the cast of "Popular Mechanics for Kids," which, if I were Canadian and of a certain age, I probably would have grown up watching.

just discovered this

http://i.imgur.com/uvcmZPm.jpg

how would donald say eh

I hold s epcial place in my heart for donalds irascible chacrter - he is the spiritual essence of truth from Disney's micky mouselie based germ

Ilx Via Trans-Continental Bollocks Trip '21

the only educational moment I ever had from waxcting donald duck was that chip and dale are assholes

can i get a ruling on this

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I'm from Ontario and we called it soccer baseball.

the fact that western canadians call a decal a "deckle" had me shook (i've never heard anyone say it irl, probably because people don't have any reason to say decal very often)

Stay calm and back slowly away from Saskatchewan

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anglophone elementary school in Montreal called it soccer baseball

I've never heard a sofa called a chesterfield except in some "what Canadians say" context.

re: decals
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cockamamie#Etymology

Soccer baseball, 100%--we play it all the time in school.

Grandparents always call it a chesterfield, so I use that when talking to them. Never in my life heard "soccer baseball" in Ontario, vaguely aware kickball exists, but not a particularly athletic child..

Yep, it was always "soccer baseball" ime (in Ottawa, so ON). I had thought that maybe "kickball" was an Americanism for pick-up soccer or something.

I learned recently that American 'kickball' does not actually involve a soccer ball, which might explain the confusion.

I've never heard a sofa called a chesterfield except in some "what Canadians say" context.

the fact that western canadians call a decal a "deckle" had me shook (i've never heard anyone say it irl, probably because people don't have any reason to say decal very often)

Both OTM

Always "deckle" for me growing up making plastic model kits in Ontario. Hearing "dee-kal" from other people had me questioning my existence.

I think I tend to hesitate whenever I have to pronounce it and end up landing on 'deck-kal'.

So, we have a friend that moved to Canada about ... five years ago? Six? It was for work, but they also want to get their citizenship before moving back to the US, just in case. Anyway, my wife just got lunch with them to catch up, and it was kind of amazing the number of complaints they had about Canada that I'd never heard. Some examples:

-There is apparently a cabal of just maybe four grocery stores that set the prices, which are really high. Like, $9 a peanut butter, $20+ dollars for chicken breasts, that sort of thing.

-Lending practices are bad and so tied in to the housing market that the flipping industry dominates and drives up prices (sounds familiar).

-Fabled one-year maternity leave is super stingy, so much so that in this person's case it's just not worth it.

-There are only two government-approved cell phone companies, and neither of them offer unlimited internet, so people tend to just get American plans with Canadian coverage.

I have no dog in this fight, I was just surprised to hear the complaints. Canadians of ILX, does any of this sound familiar?

Signing up for a Rogers cell phone plan was one of the first things I had to do when I moved here. I hate them. I felt like they wanted a blood sample in addition to utility bills and proof of residency.

-There is apparently a cabal of just maybe four grocery stores that set the prices, which are really high. Like, $9 a peanut butter, $20+ dollars for chicken breasts, that sort of thing.

True. Although those prices are slightly overstated, the primary grocery store company (Loblaws, CEO Galen “I’m A Fuckin Piece Of Shit” Weston) publicly tried to justify a generalized 15% hike on all food goods, and now his days are decisively numbered up here

-Lending practices are bad and so tied in to the housing market that the flipping industry dominates and drives up prices (sounds familiar).

True; the housing market was less-hit by the 2008 crash and it is the Wild West of flipping and Air BnB’ing and all major and minor city centres are essentially rent-uninhabitable, purchase-impossible. Toronto and Vancouver recently overtook HK in terms of rent-to-income quotient.

-Fabled one-year maternity leave is super stingy, so much so that in this person's case it's just not worth it.

Depends on your employer. My apologies to your friend :(

-There are only two government-approved cell phone companies, and neither of them offer unlimited internet, so people tend to just get American plans with Canadian coverage.

True, Rogers and Bell. Both companies are garbage grifter get-the-guillotine bullshit. I myself had an American plan for years, a 646 NYC number that went undetected as being illegitimate by AT&T for years (because I was regularly travelling to USA), but once I relocated from LA back to TO they wised up and cancelled it on me.

I think I’ve screamed “I literally don’t give a fuck about collection agencies, you can sodomize my credit rating all you want, I am a permatenant and I secure my dodgy residencies with wads of cash up front” in the face of over a dozen overcharges from Rogers, you literally have to scan your bill every month because they’ll slip in the most fucked up shit. “Oh, did you take the train down the St Laurence and drift too close to the American border? Yeah we auto charged you for a day’s roaming fee for the 30 seconds you were accidentally on a foreign network.”

There are no unlimited data fees here. It is literally cheaper to carry a cell phone in Norway

Yeah my sister when she lived thee thought eating out was cheaper than groceries. She’d go across the border and load up on Trader Joe’s.

you literally have to scan your bill every month because they’ll slip in the most fucked up shit. “Oh, did you take the train down the St Laurence and drift too close to the American border? Yeah we auto charged you for a day’s roaming fee for the 30 seconds you were accidentally on a foreign network.”

preach

it's possible to shop at cheap and quite wonderful grocery stores if you live in a central neighborhood of montreal, toronto or vancouver. but some suburbs you're stuck with the big chains and they're pretty expensive. driving across the border to trader joe's doesn't really make sense due to the exchange rate (unless you're getting paid in usd, but then canadian groceries are cheap in purchasing power parity terms...)

Josh, what city & province did this person live in?

per usual Quebec is an exception to some of this, afaict. e.g., I have QC-based Videotron phone + internet service; the internet plan is unlimited, though the phone isn't (which I wouldn't remotely need anyway). It is expensive, but I've never met a single person here with an American plan.

I've never heard a complaint about parental leave (also day care is v cheap aiui), but I mostly know academics so it could vary by employer here too, not sure.

Generally speaking though—again afaict, flopson could clarify here I'm sure—Canada does have a pretty bad monopoly problem in various industries (news media being the one I'm familiar with) and apparently little regulatory appetite for doing anything about it.

I've heard about people going to the US for groceries, but unless they're lying to the border guards, you'd have to pay customs on everything you bought (assuming <24 hours trip), so I don't really get it

Tbf, I do know several (five?) people with American phone plans who predominantly reside in Canada, but they also work regularly in USA and/or are partnered with an American, and divide their time between the two countries

Quebec is the exception when it comes to grocery monopolies, but god protect you if you ever need an emergency room

yeah funnily enough we went with Videotron when we moved here because they had a now-discontinued plan where your phone worked the same in the US as it did QC (but using it in ROC meant roaming lmao)

the QC health care system is indeed a disaster

Josh, what city & province did this person live in?

Toronto, I believe.

The specifics of the paid maternity leave scheme, iirc, was something like $35k for the year, which the person we know said wouldn't cover their rent.

Yeah as a single income that would be below the poverty line in Montreal, hence unimaginable in TO

yeah in Quebec, the provincial govt gives you paid maternity leave also, which combined with the federal contribution comes to (iirc) 70% of your yearly salary or 80k, whichever is lower. Which I think is pretty good as far as North America goes.

1560s (implied in Canadian), said to be a Latinized form of a word for "village" in an Iroquoian language of the St. Lawrence valley that had gone extinct by 1600. Most still-spoken Iroquoian languages have a similar word (such as Mohawk kana:ta "town").

As dramatized in this Heritage Minute vignette from the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfKr-D5VDBU

why is it SO SMOKY!?!??!

Montreal is still like that tbh

If you really want to make them mad you speak English and if they say to speak French you say "You call that French? I guess you have never been to FEANCE!" and laugh evil

Montreal is still like that tbh

that place looks like it demands you enjoy their charcutiery