wtf is wrong with people

:(

no thanks dude

"don't nuke me, bro"

Unbelievably, I used to work with a guy who claims he "dried off" his cat in the microwave once. It wasnt harmed... SO HE SAYS. He was a perfectly nice normal guy, and I'm not at all sure his story was true... which actually makes claiming it so o_0 I don't know what to think.

did you guys see about the two washington nats fans who got themselves killed standing up on a double decker bus ride under a bridge?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/13/AR2008071301799.html

wow that linked article has the greatest worst headline ever

These are not people who go home to their families or go to church picnics," he said.

"When you think about it, who is throwing a cat in the microwave, or setting an animal on fire or cutting off the ear of a dog. These are not people who go home to their families or go to church picnics," he said.

..except that the meat industry does similarly torturous things to millions of animals every day so that those people on their church picnics can get their beef and stuff.

But hey, those animals aren't cute kittens, so who cares?

Well while I get yr point, I hardly think the beef industry are microwaving cows for our dining enjoyment.

No, but the meat industry makes animals live in such small spaces that they are in constant agony, have regular pains, their feet and other bones often get broken but no one tends to them, they succumb to cannibalism and other behavioural disorders due to stress and not being able to move properly, etc. At least the microwaving only lasted for a brief time and apparently didn't leave any permanent damage.

girl I went to school with said her sister put a cat in a microwave when she was drunk once--didn't survive.

guy who used to hit on my friend at the movie theater she worked in is going to jail for tying up, torturing, then finally using a bow and arrow to kill his girlfriend's dog.

good morning!

It's not like people're always human

Tuomas I've been on several farms with cattle and pigs and have never seen any of that. Maybe it happens else where but... sorry I'm getting defensive; I've been lectured a few times after revealing that some of my family farms by people who refuse to believe that farm animals have ever been treated in any way other than unspeakably inhumane. Am I meeting the wrong people?

key phrase there is 'family farm' rabies

if anyone wants to say peta et al are bsing about what goes on in factory farms im all ears

anyone who lectures you about being a farmer/being related to farmers is a guaranteed insufferable dbag btw

I'm not saying it happens on every small farm, but on the bigger farms it's very common, I've seen lots of documentaries about it. Chicken are usually treated worst, cows might have it better.

(xx-post)

I've certainly seen both kinds of farming in the UK. I don't think it's as bad here as it was although no doubt I can be shown to be totally wrong.

I would say that mistreatment of farm animals is more prevalent than mistreatment of kittens though.

Yeah, they certainly don't have shrinkwrapped kittens on the shelves in Tesco.

Yeah, hence "I'm sure it goes on else where". I'm just being butthurt over something not actually applicable to what we're talking about that happened a handful of times like six years ago when I was in college, carry on...

(tuomas totally otm about chickens, even on some family farms, actually)

first part was like an xxxxpost or something btw

http://www.oikeuttaelaimille.net/ttnet/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154&Itemid=174

Here's a site with pictures and videos of Finnish chicken and pig farms. Now, Finland is not a big producer of animal products, and the laws regarding the treatment of animals are relatively strict here, so I doubt things are much better in other countries.

tuomas said 'the meat industry' not 'all farms'

Battery hen farming is really quite vile. I always buy free-range eggs.

yeah we cleared that up (xp)

Free-range eggs or not, chick production is always pretty grim at hatcheries though isn't it? It's normally straight into the crusher for the males right?

what, male chickens don't taste good?

I never thought about that.

Um, male chickens don't lay eggs. Egg-laying breeds aren't good for meat production, they don't bulk up like yer broiler chickens, so male layers aren't of much economic use to anyone. So, it's the crusher basically.

At least the microwaving only lasted for a brief time and apparently didn't leave any permanent damage.

No permanent damage other than dime-sized holes burned through his ear and left paw, plus so much damage to his tail that it will likely have to be amputated, you mean?

(this was on the local news; googling to find a link to the story revealed that there's a dude in the Boston area getting his jollies off of microwaving kittens almost to death)

GIS "male chicks hatchery" and you'll get the general idea :( (xpost)

And I don't really want to get into the cruelty to animals on farms debate because I'd be arguing against a position I'm mostly sympathetic towards, but I personally have less of a problem with the way some animals are kept on farms because I eat them.

^^truth, there is a big difference between hurting someone to get off & hurting someone for a reason

this is why dahmer is one of the more sympathetic serial killers of all time

(thats a corny joke btw)

Well, obviously I symphatize with the kitten, but I just thought it was hypocritical for whoever was interviewed in the article to say that people who mistreat animals are weird and not normal, when animal mistreatment is a basic tenet of most societies.

(xxx-post)

So, meat production chickens could be male or female?

tuomas thats bullshit though, unless you think anyone who eats meat is a sadist

In the Philippines they eat one day old chicks...
http://my_sarisari_store.typepad.com/my_sarisari_store/street_food/page/2/

Which seems better really.

Also it's not really a crusher (in the UK anyway) it's a macerator. Pretty awful I guess but also pretty instant.

And to answer MarkG - Capons!

better kittens than babies, I guess, which is what people were doing earlier this year

People were microwaving babies?

yeah, dan's started a LOT of threads whose titles are basically "WTF HUMANITY", i think that was one of em

So, meat production chickens could be male or female?

No, thinking about it, I suppose they'd be mostly female too. Too much conflict in the flock/cage group if there were males. Dunno the definitive answer there though.

Oh yeah, that guy who told him the devil made him do it, that was a couple of years ago though? It's not a regular occurance is it? Please tell me it's not.

I think a woman did it earlier this year cos she couldn't handle looking after it... put it in, turned it on, left the house.

is that really less hassle than putting up an adoption flier? I mean the smell for a start...

Sorry that was to Louis.

Is no-one going to make an eating cocks joke? Really, standards are slipping...

tuomas it's that sort of overdramatic, illogical appraisal of the issue that causes animal rights people to turn off people who otherwise are pretty sympathetic to their basic agenda.

im not really sure why every is up in tuomas's face when hes making a pretty valid point about a specific quote in the article

hes not indicting you all for genocide, hes saying that this quote: "When you think about it, who is throwing a cat in the microwave, or setting an animal on fire or cutting off the ear of a dog. These are not people who go home to their families or go to church picnics" is hypocritical

"When you think about it, who is throwing a cat in the microwave, or setting an animal on fire or cutting off the ear of a dog. These are not people who go home to their families or go to church picnics," he said.

what a challop, has this dude never heard of dennis rader??

"When you think about it"

how is it hypocritical?

ugh sorry i even posted on this thread

No, I think you're right. I'm sure most of us are hypocritical about this. I certainly feel more angry about pet abuse than farm animal abuse, which I pretend doesn't happen as I tuck into a kebab.

I think I am, too, but I don't think that statement or the sentiment behind it is.

you pay for meat, youre no better than people like me who pay to watch fat chicks asphyxiate cats for fetish purposes

seriously. everyone loves cat-sausage, but no one wants to know how it's made.

yeah i just sliced my dogs ear off for fun, but isnt that a mcdonalds bag i see in your passenger seat? whats in there? a BURGER?? hmm? dont judge me

What Tuomas is getting at is what Gary Francione calls our 'moral schizophrenia' regarding the treatment of animals. We're outraged at people torturing dogs or cats for fun, but we don't think twice about eating meat, which might involve just as much suffering and our basic justification doing that is also basically enjoyment. How are the two things different from the POV of the animal in question?

im all for vegetarianism/veganism & i totally get the theory & why its ethically sound etc, but that quote is ON THE FUCKING MONEY

believe it or not, animals aren't capable of comprehending the subtleties of human morality.

ppl who piss me off the most are the ones who are all HOW CAN YOU EAT HORSE/DEER, THAT IS BARBARIC, THEY ARE SUCH BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS

show me the horse deer!

"When you think about it, who is throwing a cat in the microwave, or setting an animal on fire or cutting off the ear of a dog. These are not people who go home to their families or go to church picnics," he said.

Need to dig up that story about Mike Huckabee's kid hanging a dog. At church camp.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/290/4hiys5fdr4.jpg

Guten tag, I'm Philipp Lahm, and this is my lunch.

horses are way too domestic for me to be comfortable w/ people who eat them, i dont see how t hey compare to deer really

believe it or not, animals aren't capable of comprehending the subtleties of human morality.

I'm not arguing that they do, I'm arguing that the level of suffering is the same. What's your moral justification for one animal use and not the other?

dude, some people are sick in the head in a real bad way and some people aren't

That's true, but not morally relevant.

wtffffffffff

no ones yet argued that eating meat isnt immoral on some level - i eat meat all the time but i think it is & admire those who dont & i am definitely a hypocrite but that quote is not hypocritical

torturing dogs or cats for fun, but we don't think twice about eating meat

are these the 2 animal uses you're referring to? isn't the difference between the two obvious? Animals eating other animals is a fact of life. (Yes animals raised for food often live in deplorable conditions and I am all for buying meat from reputable independent farms who treat their animals as humanely as possible, and think there should be more regulation of large, industry-scale farms). Equating this to humans torturing animals solely for their own amusement is a bit ridiculous and serves to weaken the validity of the argument against eating meat.

animal torture is also a fact of life--have you ever seen a cat play with a mouse?

http://pandadan.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/idiot-41423.jpg

(I don't think anyone's an idiot, I just had a piclink to use)

believe it or not, animals aren't capable of comprehending the subtleties of human morality.

-- Granny Dainger

not to mention the fact that we can sustain ourselves quite well--maybe even healthier--without eating meat--at some point killing animals for meat is 'for fun'

the line between "torturing animals for fun" and "killing animals for meat" is not as big and bold as wed like it to be

you think a cat is consciously torturing that mouse in the same way that a human sadist would?

im not sure that intent matters

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDSING ME

max you are not saying anything that all of us dont already understand! youre the one who fails to understand sadistic/sociopathic behavior as far as i can tell

i mean, if youre going to say "animals eating animals is a way of life," intent sort of goes out the window doesnt it

that question in mark g's pic is kinda psychologically tricky really, you instinctively want to go w/ elephant

Animals eating other animals is a fact of life

Where do you stand on eating your own babies?

This thread has officially started to suck

oh well since the two are perfectly equatable, i'm totally for eating your own babies.

I think unless you're prepared to eat your own husband the moment he's finished having sex with you, you have no right to condemn others for eating McDonald's. Once again it's one standard for humans and another for spiders. Get a grip, Congress!

you'd do it if you're hungry enough xxxpost

wtf is wrong with you people

(first)

dammit, deeznuts, that was my next post

Is it bad for a baby to see itself being eaten Y/N

hey somebody did something we can all agree is fucking loathsome, let's take this opportunity to have pointless arguments

T/S: babies seeing itself eaten vs wanking in front of babies

hey somebody did something we can all agree is fucking loathsome, let's take this opportunity to have pointless arguments

ILE in a nutshell

and I say this as an insufferable ethically-motivated vegetarian who will happily lecture that ass on why YOU'RE WRONG at the earliest possible opportunity

x-post vs. yelling at babies from the windows of passing cars

which I think I'll go do right now

"fuck you, Mr. Baby., don't you know there are animals suffering even as we speaking? hypocrite infants, get bent"

babies pre-salting fries vs. babies reading while walking

"we speaking" one of my finer rhetorical moments there

babies eating babies

vs. scraping foetus off the wheel

baby on pizza

oh well since the two are perfectly equatable, i'm totally for eating your own babies

Anyhow, all I was getting at is that the 'it's a fact of life' argument is sort of a silly business.

...what with evolution and all

This thread has officially started to suck

-- Bill Magill, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:50 (4 minutes ago) Link

it's starting to get better again...oh no wait

Eat a bag of toddlers.

does anyone know that joke about a guy who thought he was eating tomatoes except they were actually babies? i got told that when i was like 5 by a friend & thought it was very funny

there was also a great joke from that same period about a kid named 'butt itches'

Eat a bag of toddlers.

-- NickB, Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:06 AM (Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:06 AM) Bookmark Link

http://www.arbetaren.se/klimatblogg/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/theroad.jpg

babies masturbating on pizzas that don't tip their waiters

What the fuck is this thread about?

http://www.curiousexpeditions.org/Rubens_saturn.jpg

it ended with him getting shot by the cops because no one believed his name was 'butt itches' & the punchline was his mother going 'oh my poor butt itches!' at his funeral & the person next to her said 'if your butt itches, then why don't you scratch it?'

great joke

that rubens painting is so fucking awesome

Why is there a plane coming into land right behind that guy though?

RUBENS KNEW

its not cmoing into land, its headed straight for the second tower of the world trade center, thats why all the black smoke

lolz xp

'One minute to live, what the hell, let's eat a baby'

"so what's she like?"

"she's... rubenesque"

"a little chubby huh"

"no she sucks baby entrails out through their chests"

^fact of life

reubens v. goya

http://data.quenta.org/goya-saturn-son.jpg

I think I still prefer the Goya for its "Hi! I'm fucking crazy!" look on Saturn's face.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Saturno_devorando_a_sus_hijos.jpg/300px-Saturno_devorando_a_sus_hijos.jpg

OM NOM NOM

shit xp

Goya was a motherfucker with some dark secrets

Like any overeager child on Easter morning, he ate the head first. Saturn, not Goya.

goya walks that

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francisco_Goya&action=submit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Goya

I gotta go with the Rubens depiction

I kinda with Matthias Grunewald had a version.

this thread is going well.

yeah was just thinkin that

who was the other crazy spanish motherfucker, from like the 1500s?

El Greco? (yes, he's not Spanish)

must be thinking of this guy, deez
http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/tt16.jpg

http://www.artezine.com/jsc_el_greco_saint_john_t.jpg

http://www.cybergrain.com/tech/hdr/images1/elgreco.jpg

it's impossible not to respond to the Goya one, love it too & it is up on some slasher movie/thehorrorthehorror shit, but Rubens one is deeper because in Goya a crazed cartoon saturn is eating a decapitated model. in the Rubens one, a man is eating a live baby.

yeahhhh el greco! thx nick b

and like, Saturn didn't eat his children 'cause he'd gone insane. it was a very intentional act, which you can see in the Rubens one: "gotta eat this baby so I don't get knocked off the throne. man's gotta do what a man's gotta do!" evil rather than I AM CRAZED, MUST EAT OWN CHILD

I suspect the point is rather that anyone willing to do such a thing to stay in power is actually crazed, no matter how matter of fact they seem.

oh yeah I can dig that but I like how Rubens is like "the man doing this still looks like a man, possibly like a man who craves power above all else - so, if you're looking for such a man, please note that his face may look kind of familiar"

but like I say I mean c'mon I'm a goth, the Goya one also fucking rules

yeah its not just that hes doing it cuz hes crazy theres a lot of feeling in those eyes xp

rubens is definitely creepier

Laurel, eating potential usurpers of the throne is just a fact of life.

You take the good, you take the bad, you eat them all and then you have...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKXMyOiYL1c

Cronos devouring his children poll, plz.

Getting back to the earlier stuff, top three panels of today's Achewood strangely appropriate.

Mob beat up two police officers after being asked to pick up litter.

There has to be something else to this story.

Another great advertisement for Croydon.

All the stories talk about teenagers but the police have arrested two 30+ blokes as well?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7652000/7652268.stm

:-/

Fucking Derby, those fuckers still point at airplanes.

I gather it's somewhat shite. I know a guy from there, he says as much.

daaaamn

i bet u he becomes a 4chan legend

yup

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Shaun_Dykes

goya, oh boya

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/7656953.stm

This guy was friends with the sister of the guy I'm staying with. He tells me what actually happened, that the guy had his head kicked in by bouncers.

Rob Howard, the school's head teacher, said: "I feel very angry that there are people out there who are so desensitised to life that they just see it as a film or a soap opera. I don't think they realise what the consequences of their actions are going to be, but it is clearly disturbing."

I think they do realize; it's just that they don't care -- they were never sensitized to begin with. I'm always kind of astonished at the number of people who see other people as things; I'm not sure how many of them are bona fide, irredeemable sociopaths, vs. people who have some chance, however slight, to gain a degree of empathy (which typically involves going through some experience of intense suffering or terror).

Didn't that used to come naturally?

Tuomas sfos on this btw. A pet has come to think it is a member of yr family/group; abusing it's not morally far off putting yr baby sibling in the microwave/etc. Meat industry; meat industry. Animal wouldn't even've existed otherwise. Not QUITE the fucking same. Hippy.

Um not that I'm v fond of the meat industry, but that was retarded. And long long ago, I know.

Tuomas sfos on this btw. A pet has come to think it is a member of yr family/group; abusing it's not morally far off putting yr baby sibling in the microwave/etc. Meat industry; meat industry.

Except that I wasn't really commenting on the mindset of the person who put the kitten in the microwave (which of course is fucked up), rather than the folks who are all "Oh no! A kitten was killed! How terrible!", and yet have no problem with eating mass-produced chicken or pork or veal.

Meat industry; meat industry. Animal wouldn't even've existed otherwise. Not QUITE the fucking same. Hippy.
This calls for SYSTEMS THINKING. Boxcar! NO NO NO!

Tuomas I'd like to think they perceive some diff/get some perspective on what they do every day while eating but yr prob right. Sorry to be mean to you. Killing a pet is way more fucked up tho right? MENTALLY?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8026807.stm