fuck xkcd ITT the greatest webcomic of all time

http://shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-02-04.jpg

"CONSEQUENCES"

wow this dude has some stunning insights on gender relations

trollcomix

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-02-20.jpg

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-11-30.jpg
lol he is cooking

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-11-19.jpg

oriental adventures

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-11-07.jpg

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-11-02.jpg

v_v

wtf.

the abortion punch one is next-level O_O

this all seems vaguely misogynistic, somehow

YOU THINK, DEEZNUTS???

Vaguely?

somehow?

hmm... i think deez is on to something...

great punchline in this one
http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-08-29.jpg

these things are so over-the-top that I'd be certain they were a parody or something, except that they lack even a hint of self-awareness

http://comics.drunkduck.com/Powerup_Comics/pages/91a8a14f5a027b2aa95d8589f01ffdcc.png

i dont even know what to say to this shit

In a gentler time:

http://www.killersites.com/mvnforum/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=6742

that wouldve been funnier if it was titled, "eyes on the broad"

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http://mnorton.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/23120027.jpg

http://www.vgcats.com/aprilfoooolsimages/BU.jpg

self awareness, not always helpful

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-04-18.jpg

do you think this guy has ever talked to a woman

yeah dude, he told her she looked fat in that dress, pay attention

You guys should read Coach Brew's game reviews.

He has insights.

considering all the basketball tits with upwards-pointing neon-pink nipples i'm guessing no

eurgh @ drawing of sperm covered chick

prob shouldnt be looking at these at work huh

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/reviews/tombraiderlegend/

First off, I’d like to discuss Lara’s tits in that they’re still huge, most definitely D-cups, but they’re nice D-cups. Ever since the original Tomb Raider she’s been hoisting around a pair of cumbersome E-cups; but now in Legend her jugs seem much more manageable and I would like to imagine that they don’t impair her sense of balance, at least not too much. Also Lara’s finally looking hot; at least as far as pixelated phillies go. Throughout the game she looks fine as hell and is always outfitted in some tight-bodied, sexy-yet-functional outfit; as should be the case for all female archaeologists in the real world.

Graphics – If you can will yourself to focus on something other then her melons, there’s a lot of visuals to admire.

“Sweat as fucking hell,” is a very good description of how Legend comes across visually. There are no CG sequences, however cut-scene and in-game footage are indistinguishable from one another… fuck that’s a long word. “In-dis-tin-guish-a-ble,” six god-damn syllables, fuckin-A! Anyway, the game looks really good; actually it’s beyond good. The attention to detail of the environments is absolutely amazing! Smoke effects, fire, flying debris, water - *especially* water – is all rendered and animated beautifully and looks tight as hell. Environmental modeling and textures provide you with extremely beautiful and varied environments to travel through.

I thought that said Space Moose, and then I thought it was 1997 again.

ugh I went to that site and read some more of the comics, and apparently there's some kind of story arc going on now where a girl (variously referred to as "psycho tits" and "dragon cunt", among other things) decides to take revenge on Brown-Haired Douchebag (not sure why, don't particularly care to find out) by slipping him a mickey, sodomizing him with an enormous black dildo, and blackmailing him into environmental activism

gonna go with "has never talked to a girl", plus a healthy dose of castration anxiety

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-02-20.jpghttp://i11.tinypic.com/53ucxtl.gif

hey whatever happened to eminem anyway

hahahahaaa

osama-thumbs-up.gif literally makes me lol EVERY TIME

so is the phrase "shredded moose" a reference to something like Buffy or anime, or is it just standard issue website name nonsense?

“Sweat as fucking hell,”

Gameplay – Smooth and silky is how I’d describe Lara’s jugs... I mean the gameplay, not her jugs… really.

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-05-05.jpg

http://www.thewebcomiclist.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=178&sid=40acd291d46e3aaa146c653278595db1

We like that whole "kickin' ass" sort of thing. It's about time someone does it, we can only let the idiots of the world go unpunished for so long Smile But that's not the only thing SM's about however all the violence is justified - it may be justified by a twisted sense of logic but it's "justified' nonetheless. It's more about making comedy we enjoy, inane humor, violence, un-political correctness, sex... they're all a means to an end. Very Happy

Why aren't these in the Batshit Crazy Rightwing thread?

XKCD is for those of us who realize life is not all about happy endings and trophy wives and who is better than who and all that shit. It's for those of us who live in reality. It's for the intelligent. It's for the insane.

uh i have images off and loaded up one of these at random -- are they all about beating women?

No... some are about woman with dog ears on leashes being walked outside.

http://i17.tinypic.com/6ptj2ua.gif

http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/17/1734fb1ec30b77df27e3e457fc0ff6b3734f4504.gif

sometimes they're about beating the pussy up

I didn't realize the gamer community had this dark side. Does ILG wanna chime in and explain?

what in fucking hell

xps

/silly_mode off

/serious_mode on, "No, really. I hate women."

I didn't realize the gamer community had this dark side. Does ILG wanna chime in and explain?

-- Mordy, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:42 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

let's all thank american post-fordist capital for making stand-up adult male life so toxic and impossible nobody even wants to do it anymore

lol @ ilg speaking for gamerdom

Really? None of the slightly-nerdier-than-average college aged gamers I know have this kind of misogynistic streak.

goole u r one academic weirdo

^^ case in point

the legacy of crumb...

"gamers" are kind of way too wide a demographic anymore to actually pigeonhole, but yeah tons and tons of them are crepes

the legacy of crumb...

-- uh oh I'm having a fantasy, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

http://i17.tinypic.com/6ptj2ua.gif

I know what you mean by the lack of "grown-up" gaming comics.

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/images/reviews/avatar_brew.gif

goddamn smirky eyebrow-raised badass poochie cartoonists nowadays

everything supposedly "for" and/or marketed to the "gaming lifestyle" or "gamers" sucks a million pounds of sheep ass. i know this to be an absolute fact.

video games = awesome
"gamer culture" = horrid

I like Penny Arcade. A lot.

s1ocki are you saying robert crumb wouldn't jerk off to this comic

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/forum/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=11&t=215

Posted by: Guest Nov 24 2007, 11:01 PM

I'm stuffing the bird! Plunge!

Hey, Brew! Love your comic! How about some jokes about Chuck Norris or Tasering! That seems edgy and topical !!! I love how edgy your comic is!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brew Nov 24 2007, 11:08 PM

Textual sarcasm can be a tricky thing. For instance it's somewhat hard to decipher if you are being sarcastic, or if you're simply very excitable. Because I believe in positive thinking, and because I simply feel like it, I'm going to assume you're the excitable sort. In which case, I'm glad you enjoy the comic. Personally I'm not a huge fan of Chuck Norris, although I do realize that for some unknown reason he's become rather popular in various online sub-cultures. Once upon a time he was a decent action star, but that was an earlier era, a simpler time. If you have some comic ideas that involve Chuck Norris, feel free to let me know. I'm always open to outside ideas.

Posted by: Guest Nov 24 2007, 11:11 PM

Just kidding. Fuck you.

Posted by: Brew Oct 15 2007, 12:44 AM

Found this online, guys. Thought it might be good for some discussion:

Top Ten Reasons Why American Women Suck

1) Selfish - to the point where they don't know the difference between love of self and plain downright greed--and drilled into believing that whatever happens is the fault of whatever man is in their life because of the feminist crud drilled into them by the cadre of asexual closet cases called "therapists" who appear on "Ricki", "Oprah" or other such electronic drivel

2) Deluded - into thinking they "deserve" a rich, model-handsome husband who will "take them away from all of this"--whatever the "this" might be--and leading to resentment when they discover that the universe does NOT revolve around them

3) Angry - ALL the damn time about things which are so far out of their control as to be nonsensical--and constantly wanting to "discuss" this mind numbing drivel ad nauseam

4) Psychotic - multiple personalities in the same woman - as "Nomad" put it in the "Star Trek" episode: "Woman...a mass of inconsistencies...", and also when the feminist voices in their heads start with the regrets and victim acculturation

5) Worthless - anything that does not immediately resolve itself in her favor or to her benefit is meaningless to her, especially husband and family

6) Lazy - drilled into their head that they "deserve" a maid, nanny and personal slave to take care of every detail - and that their husband/boyfriend is REQUIRED to cater to their each and every mindless whim

7) Resentful - especially of other women who have things that they do not, in material, spiritual and esoteric senses

8) Greedy - to them, "housekeeping" means getting the house in the divorce (thanks to Zsa Zsa for that immortal line) and sucking the guy for every last cent, even if they had nothing to do with the building of the nest egg

9) Mindless - constant, irritating, idle prattle about topics they read about in some women's magazine and then become instant experts--particularly pop psychology and the latest crap they see on "Oprah" or "Ricki"

10) Vain - believing that they are irresistible to everything in pants and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.

and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.

Posted by: Brew Nov 29 2007, 03:19 PM

QUOTE(Guest @ Nov 28 2007, 03:18 PM) *
"Trying to downplay people with your "how very cute" bullshit, and then deciding to come off as a complete hypocrite. "Are we back in the 1950s?" No you stupid shit, I'm sure people are called niggers now just as often as they were back then."

Actually I disagree. In the south "nigger" was used with the same level of racism that you'd find nowadays in simply calling someone "black". Several non-racist people used it as an ethnic, non-derogatory classification. However the offensive use is what many of us are much more familiar with and so, because of that, it's use has indeed gone down.

Guest

This comic is a fucking atrocity.

My dad dying of cancer was funnier than this.

3) Angry - ALL the damn time about things which are so far out of their control as to be nonsensical--and constantly wanting to "discuss" this mind numbing drivel ad nauseam

"This place is not a place of honor.
No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here.
Nothing valued is here."

xposts

robert crumb's art is so grubby and particularist it's pretty clear it's one man's ugly take on the world. this shit, and the godawful penny arcade too, all look like characters that would be rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997. crumb's art is so exuberant it doesn't care if it's alone and disliked, all these suckass webcomics are so graspy and desperate for approval, it is a "community voice," god help us

xps oh jesus christ

guys i have been reading his articles and posts on the messageboard and guess what

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/news_arc.php?comicID=69

Goole, I know that Penny Arcade doesn't get a lot of love on ILX, but let's not say things we'll regret in the morning. PA is a vastly greater comic than this drivel. At its best, just the fact that PA doesn't have naked women-dogs in it makes it a masterpiece by comparison.

Out of the past and existing candidates, Ron Paul is still who I’d like to see in the Oval Office. But let’s face it, the existing powers in government would loose a lot of political power if he were elected; that’s why the news media has rarely reported on how popular Paul and his campaign has been with the voters or how well he’s preformed against the other candidates in debates he’s participated in. Thus, manufactured ignorance shall be the undoing of hope for the Free World. Over dramatic conspiracy theories, Huzzah!!

I don’t know if the voices-that-be in this country are secure enough in the twenty-first century mentality to be ready for a black dude or a white female to become president. I was going to say “white chick”; however the term “chick” denotes at least a semblance of attractiveness or sexuality in a female and – let’s face it – Hilary Clinton is neither attractive nor does she inspire thoughts of sexuality (in humans). If anything she is the antithesis of both.

did you really feel that you had to make a distinction between crumb's shit and this shit, internet dude

People know politicians lie, as surely as they know Paris Hilton is a passing fad, much like the POG of the 1990s. However I sincerely doubt there were any pornos made staring POGs.

Who couldn't have guessed that we had another libertarian nerd on our hands here?

he's right, staring at POGs doesn't strike me as a particularly good setting for erotic shenanigans

But let’s face it, the existing powers in government would loose a lot of political power if he were elected

astute analysis

I still have pogs

since you lumped them together, uh oh I'm having a fantasy, why not? we've all got the time apparently

another difference is that r crumb is like funny and interesting and seems like an ok dude and 'brew' sounds like the worst human being alive right now

well i dont know about ok dude

"Nothing valued is here"

Whoa Marissa eat your heart out.

I love crumb's art and his glasses

and that scene where he is rocking back and forth in the corner of his room listening to records

As someone who felt this thing should've got 1000 times more attention in the 'worst online comic strip' thread this is well overdue IMO

this all seems vaguely misogynistic, somehow

-- deeznuts, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 1:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

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Shadow and Chug, you've done it again

can that possibly make any sense to anyone other than shadow & chug?

words....failing...

shadow: copier
chug: paster

penny arcade:shredded moose/powerup::pearl jam:creed

http://www.chugworth.com/comics/080730.jpg
http://chugworth.com/comics/071203.jpg
http://chugworth.com/comics/030721.jpg

xxpost: hey now, that's not just a straight c+p job! they moved his head slightly lower in the last panel to fit the word balloons in.

http://www.chugworth.com/comics/071221.jpg

http://www.chugworth.com/comics/070921.jpg

http://www.chugworth.com/comics/071219.jpg

Hmm

Why does Lewis think a move in one of the comics at the top of this thread is an "abortion punch"?

It's somewhere in the middle of What's the worst online comic strip?

http://comics.drunkduck.com/Powerup_Comics/pages/71eac7fd2b06a6506790102cde641051.png

(the strip he's referring to, that is)

ts: blandness of mitchclem vs. offensiveness of shredded moose

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5152/gamedesign3fd8.jpg

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shadowglower.jpg is just shadowgrin.jpg flipped upside down. True craftsmanship can only be appreciated by those who know the craft.

http://www.megagamerz.com/

http://www.megagamerz.com/comix/0508/mg050805.jpg

http://www.megagamerz.com/comix/0603/mg060323.jpg

that madden one really upends a lot of prejudices ive held against girls

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/668/powerupcomicscm7.png
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q28/drywall69/powerup_fanart.jpg

webcomics should be made illegal.

wow, it's like there's a whole world of utter fucking shit out there that i now know i can continue to ignore. thanks, ILX!

http://www.airhog.com/targets/images/fish_barrel.gif

Okay, that's clearly NOT Frank Cho.

Also: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/108-Webcomics

^

this should have been a "defend the indefensible" thread

the defence being "dudes are obviously setting out to piss everybody off and succeeding"

counter-defence being "trey parker and matt stone are funny, and you are not"

yeah thats probably the true damage that those two wrought, convincing libertarians that they have any kind of worthwhile sense of humor

tits!

they're great aren't they?

Anyway, this stuff fails to offend me, it just evokes a feeling of "why the fuck are you trying this shit", altho as I say the abortion punch one IS genuinely O_O, in a sort of "how did you let your hand draw that" way

I think I could do this:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8658/etfvk0.jpg

BUT WHY?

u draw very pretty, btw

fake xkcds were one thing...

abbott u look v v pretty for 190 lbs

wtf?

what's with all the people defending penny fucking arcade in this thread. That's like three leagues below Questionable Content.

JW I wld like an explication plz?

This thread, man. This fucking thread.

You're a fan? :p

wow that was a pretty fucked up thing to say xpost

penny arcade thing?

abbott u look v v pretty for 190 lbs

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 August 2008

In JW's defence, I'm guessing the thought process went like this: Abbott says on the WDYLL thread 'would you like to see a pic of when I was 190lbs?' (or thereabouts, the discussion was male ilxors bemoaning their fattiness), then Abbott posts faux-Moose pic replete with naked lady, so JW thinks 'huhuhuh, is that the picture she was talking about?', makes stupid comment, followed by WTFs all round. Not particularly funny, but not really that offensive either.

You're a fan? :p

-- Just got offed, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:19 (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

gtfo

Yeah mainly it was a confused wtf. I figured that was thee progression bcz that makes no sense and who gives a handjob from that angle anyway? Nothing makes any sense anymore. It never has.

yeah JW always has the best intentions and we shouuld always give him the benefit of the doubt!

I look nothing like that lady!

Calum was the true precursor to all of these.

I hardly even look like anything!

bnw none of these feature kylie or rag on sophie ellis(ellen?)-bextor.

Maybe I should take down my faek comics.

The Calum Theorem: Hostility towards the opposite sex as a result of prolonged virginity.

Anyway, this stuff fails to offend me

-- Just got offed, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

ppl are too afraid to say that something is offensive to them
not to sound all j0hn d. here but seriously. what qualifies as offensive if not this?

Whiney, Penny Arcade is funny more often than Questionable Content. I've lol'd.

And yeah. If Shredded Moose isn't offensive in some capacity (morally, aesthetically), then you probably lack the offended-emotion.

dude "irreversible" is one of my favourite two films of the decade, it'll take a little more than this to repulse me

also i DID find the myspace "dad putting up pics of his daughter" thing on O_o fairly revolting (although i wasn't personally offended, more shocked)

Noooo, Abbott, don't take down your fake comics, they're great.

Also, I do find this stuff offensive, but in a more vague way than I would usually - it's less the actual images that offend me and more the insidious libertarianisation of people making this shit acceptable. If 'libertarianisation' is in fact a word.

i talk about poppage and illegally delicious pizza-toppings on ILX ffs, i roll with the earthy, the disgusting, the downright gross

xxp

saying penny arcade is better than QC is like comparing two STDs over which one burns the least.

If you can find me a single Penny Arcade strip that's lolworthy, I will PayPal you $20.

it's less the actual images that offend me and more the insidious libertarianisation of people

making this shit acceptable

This isn't about earthy, disgusting, downright grossness, though. I like that stuff, I can happily watch Divine eat dogshit etc, but this is about the offensiveness of the attitude behind it. This is about misogynist, violent, Ron Paul supporting dickheads.

xpost to LJ.

anti-libertarianisation

I kind of hate feeling offended by this since it's such vapid, puerile garbage. I can't see how it would even be remotely funny to anyone but a mentally deficient 12 year old and I kind of feel bad about hating on either the mentally deficient or people undergoing puberty; I feel like the proper response is to just yawn.

And to Whiney, I dunno, I think the reason it makes me depressed is that I've just graduated, where I met a lot of otherwise lovely kids who consider themselves libertarian. And this is the UK, where I thought it wasn't as prevalent.

Give 'em a few years.

yah LJ u dummy, i dont give a shit about shock humor, sometimes its funny sometimes its not, but in this case the attitude behind it is repulsive and despite its libertarian posturing dude is obviously a wacko misogynist

Alright Whiney, I'll take a couple shots. But I'm gonna guess stuff I find funny you won't.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060410.jpg

Sorry emz, I took it down...

Too many words, I'm not reading that.

Thank you for the clever TL;DR, Burt.

i think ppl are hesitant to say 'offended' bcuz they think it gives the author power, maybe? like if i say its just so bad & terrible that getting offended isnt even worth it, or something? i dunno i think as a culture we need to realize that maybe its ok to be offended about things and taking the moral high ground is cool, we dont have to just be like "well, but it doesnt even succeed as ART"

You know what they say: "Losing at War Machines is funner than winning at Warhammer."

alternate thread title: the internet was a bad idea

dude "irreversible" is one of my favourite two films of the decade, it'll take a little more than this to repulse me

this is kind of a weird argument -- irreversible's primary intent seems to be to shock: fandom/appreciation is little more than a badge-of-completion. enjoying something marginally artful that is, in heavy quotation marks and double-underlined offensive is different than feeling a passing ickiness at a cheap and mean-spirited webcomic.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070129.jpg

Funny if you've ever played Mario Party.

I agree, deej. In fact I am making it a thing for me to be more SCANDALIZED to me so as not to feel as corruptible. It's a personal thing tho.

think ppl are hesitant to say 'offended' bcuz they think it gives the author power, maybe?

not really. it is like a bunch of white kids at a sleep-over whispering nigger to each other louder and louder, trying to get somebody to wake the parents.

not really. it is like a bunch of white kids at a sleep-over whispering nigger to each other louder and louder, trying to get somebody to wake the parents.

-- remy bean, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:59 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

thread of missing cankles

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/28/

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/28

Hmmm. That's not working.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060628.jpg

There we go.

the superman one is the closest you've gotten so far

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg

I'm gonna win my 20 dollars.

I don't care so much what his own opinions are as whether he's challenging mine. The success of this attempt is summed up rather nicely by M. White. He can be as much of a cunt as he likes, but I feel unaffected by my brush with libertarian wacko-ness. Far more offended by the people in my everyday life who express such sentiments. This is merely an artistic representation, a legitimate one, albeit a very bad one.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20061030.jpg

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060616.jpg

lj are you one of those dudes who isnt feeling rap music cuz they're always saying 'bitch'

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2005/20051216h.jpg

STOP IT ALREADY MORDY

Hey, these are funny.

Deej, I've just said a load of shit that marks me out to be completely the opposite of what you just said! I have no problem with whatever lyrics anyone wants to come up with, unless there's a genuine intention to incite bigotry or violence.

And even then the lyric itself stands as art. The problem is with the person reciting it.

One more for now.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2008/20080514.jpg

Admit I actually chuckled at the Superman and Skeletor ones. I suck.

You don't suck. Penny Arcade can be very funny. Ok, only ONE more. Really this time. I won't post anymore.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071001.jpg

Remy, I genuinely believe that Irreversible is a superb, harrowing yes, but successful work of art, and shock is only a part of its relationship with the viewer.

I saw Irreversible, and despite its other merits, certainly the director was intending with the rape scene and face-beating scene to shock and scandalize the viewer.

I wish I had ungulates in my lawn.

ANTELOPES. Cld not remember their name in spite of growing up all my life with one taxidermized on the wall of my ome.

Wld be cool w/other ungulates, tho, such as the tapir or okapi.

i bet at least a few ilxors have webbed toes, so you could just let 'em graze on the sidewalk for a similar effect

Well, Mordy, true, but he succeeded (on a visceral as well as moral scale), which is more than these douchebags are doing.

NOOOOO IRREVERSIBLE

to get into a discussion is to never get out of it.

lj, i know many people do not think irreversible a bad movie, in spite of the shock and awe intent -- but i have a hard time understanding how such an (ostensibly brilliant) movie would make use of such a corny gimmick. it is the same kind of trick Spielberg used at the beginning of saving private ryan, and i didn't like it there, either.

No, I totally agree. There's different kinds of being offended. Sometimes artists offend you to force you to question the things you're offended about. I've read a lot of African American Literature that attempts to do this - to shock you into your own prejudices. And Irreversible is doing something similar; playing with the boundaries of your taste, and what you expect from film. But there's the other kind of offense too, which is when someone is just gross and disgusting.

xxxp So, Whiney, do you want my Paypal account?

the corny gimmick was the only thing that worked in saving private ryan

(which validates Remy's initial argument, sort of, in that claiming not to be shocked by graphic violence and moral depravity goes against enjoying a film which can only be enjoyed properly if one is shocked)

(although in Irreversible I'd say not so much "shocked" as "brutalised", which is a clear distinction; also it's not so immediate as Spielberg's assault, but clearly calculated and rhythmic in its waves of terror)

x-post

i mean, making it all the work of sentient plants...whoa

never saw WWII the same way again

Irreversible definitely shares some sympathies with Un chien andalou.

Also, in Spielberg, the violence is thrilling, gritty, adrenaline-pumping. In Irreversible, it is artistic, operatic, aesthetic, creating a powerful current against which the latter half of the movie must swim and ultimately drown (as representationally demonstrated by the quite brilliant final sequence).

just like Titanic

Also, Spielberg's "horror" had a moralistic function - to show you the brutality of war. You were expected to suffer through it so that you could bear witness to it (not unlike Schindler's List). Irreversible's content was more shocking specifically because it seemed so random and inexcusable. What could possibly be the viewer's excuse for watching that rape scene? And that compounds the brutality and horror.

Agreed - although I'd say not quite "compounds"; it puts us in the position not of the pupil, like Spielberg's efforts, but of the stranger, who must pass both artistic and moral judgement on something they will have otherwise gone out of their way not to see.

my supergeek brother sends me Penny Arcade links all the time and occasionally there's one I think is funny. every single one that Mordy has posted so far has sucked, though.

why the fuck do we do threads like this.

i'm going to throw away my wacom tablet now.

some dude sucks.

some dude named Mordy.

OH NO YOU DIDN'T

Mordy on film >>>>> Mordy on webcomics (or Katy f'n Perry)

I don't know what it is about certain interest groups that they just love to be pandered to with topical humor. I'd like to think that if there was a shitty webcomic full of in-jokes that only someone who lived in my neighborhood or listened to the exact same music as me would understand, I wouldn't just roll over and instantly start worshipping it.

It's not like I think every webcomic is funny. I think Penny Arcade is funny. I'm pretty sure that isn't a Challenging Opinion.

Also, I don't know why it gets compared to Questionable Content. I see QC, XKCD, Terry Moore, Hernandez Bros forming this sort of hipster/comic nexus. Penny Arcade is in a different realm; the best of a lot of generally really bad nerd webcomics.

(It's not as bad as PvP which is innocuous + lame.)

Mordius,

OK, you've got me to retract my argument. Penny Arcade NOT worse than Questionable Content, but you are assuredly not getting one red cent from me for those shitty comics.

Bah. I knew I'd never see that money.

Let's talk about how Questionable Content is just as sexist as Shredded Moose because its just drawings of one-dimensional idealized indie chicks with enormous b00bz posted strictly out of frustration, with dude putting on fake air of sensitivity to laid as opposed to putting on fake air of macho Maxim bullshit to get laid.

i love how macho maxim bullshit is sitting on couch playing video games drinking mt. dew

QC is Strangers in Paradise done very poorly. (Unless you hate Strangers in Paradise already, in which case it's a pretty great homage.)

Whiney no one will ever bet over the interweb with you now that you've welched on this wager.

dude "irreversible" is one of my favourite two films of the decade, it'll take a little more than this to repulse me

also i DID find the myspace "dad putting up pics of his daughter" thing on O_o fairly revolting (although i wasn't personally offended, more shocked)

-- Just got offed, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:50 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

LJ u fuckin dumass this isnt offensive because its gross its offensive because its misogynistic

Whiney no one will ever bet over the interweb with you now that you've welched on this wager.

-- Alex in SF, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:19 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

No wai. I wouldn't welch! The wager was whether I would LOL. I read those strips with the grave face of someone visiting their brother for the first time in the burn ward.

Also, Irreversable is a great movie and all, but it being one of your favorite two films of the decade is pretty suspect. Like the the dude in that Kids In The Hall sketch who watches the rape scene in Deliverance over and over again because it's good film-making.

Mark: Don't you have any other movies?

Dave: You don't like it?

Mark: No, it's fine. It's just that we keep watching it over and over. Every time we come back to your place, we watch the same movie.

Dave: Oh, it's just that it's my favorite movie. Oh wait, this is my favorite scene coming up. Hold on, I'm just going to turn it up a bit.

TV1: We're going to make you squeal like a pig, ain't we boy? We're going to make you squeal like a pig!
TV2: SQUUUEEEEAAAL like a pig!

Dave: Yeah, let me rewind that bit. We'll just watch that part again.

Like, I think my two favorite films of the last 10 years are Magnolia and Wall-E

bet you rewind the frog rain, u sick fuck

Comics like this one make me wish there were an American Idol for comic strips, with a simon cowell figure and audience voting. One of the great functions of American Idol is to help viewers (if not the contestants) understand that just because their friends say "yah you sing really good!" doesn't mean they actually do.

LJ, what's your other favorite movie of the decade??

it's that new Diablo Coady movie isn't it?

Fuck, I meant Dakota Fanning. I fucked up that joke.

Penny Arcade used to be a lot funnier

http://penny-arcade.com/images/1999/19991006h.jpg

Comic Sans!

yahtzee croshaw does not enjoy webcomics

Let's talk about how Questionable Content is just as sexist as Shredded Moose because its just drawings of one-dimensional idealized indie chicks with enormous b00bz posted strictly out of frustration, with dude putting on fake air of sensitivity to laid as opposed to putting on fake air of macho Maxim bullshit to get laid.

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:13 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

see I can't even think of Questionable Content as sexist because when I looked at it a bit today I couldn't tell the difference between the boy and girl characters for several pages until I got to one with their shirts off and one was wearing a bra and one didn't, all the characters seem to be effete and long haired and too poorly drawn to pick up gender characteristics beyond tits.

lumping in the bros hernandez w/qc, xkcd, strangers in paradise is maybe the most offensive thing in this thread

and questionable content is terrible and kind of gross, but honestly...kid who does shredded moose is basically human toxic waste, qc guy is just some shitty bargain basement zach braff

Truth bomb: Maggie the Mechanic is a more incomprehensible, science fiction version of QC.

aw that's old stuff

Look, I love the Hernandez Bros, but a lot of the hate for stuff like SiP and QC seems over-the-top. It's pretty innocuous stuff and obviously takes its cues from Love and Rockets. Maybe the theme isn't as adventurous, but outside being second rate L&R clones, this stuff doesn't deserve the hate it gets here (and on ILC).

it helps that jaime's cute indie girls never looked like they were drawn by a 16-year-old stroke victim

it makes me like really unreasonably mad that the guy just writes the word "spoon" on the one girl's tatas instead of trying to draw a concert t-shirt

I agree that the art isn't the obvious connection. But most people who hate on QC don't critique the art. And you have to admit that the soap opera qualities, the long extended storyline (in real life years), the female protagonists, the (quasi/pseudo) lesbian relationships, and the sensitive characterizations all have antecedents in L&R.

try 15th rate Hernandez clones

Hernandez could draw and write awesome stories. QC guy can use photoshop and name-drop bands like a 13-year-old.

lumping in the bros hernandez w/qc, xkcd, strangers in paradise is maybe the most offensive thing in this thread

-- A B C, Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:28 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

4 REALZ

COfuckinSINED; except maybe comparing Crumb to this shit. That's like comparing Bruegel to Pushead.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=shredded+moose+sucks

ILX is only at #11

get to work

http://www.hatesong.com/strips/2008-04-15.gif

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-02-26.jpg
for the draw a vagina in mspaint contest, I think abbott won

I guess considering how stupid his boobs look that isn't a surprise. Has he even seen porn?

yeah JW always has the best intentions and we shouuld always give him the benefit of the doubt!

-- bell_labs, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:40 (Yesterday) Link

FIXATED

I am very cool because I dislike things that a significant number of other people like!

shi-- I think I'm too late for this thread...

(seriously though, are we just better off just ignoring massive wastes of time like shredded moose?)

this shitty shredded moose comic makes xkcd look like fucking Whizzer & Chips

jesus, that lego vagina sure is... something

But what, is the question

The "ongoing strip" (it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it's meant to be a narrative) they're doing atm is kinda odd. A girl's ordering whichever fuckwit one it is around and making a fool of him and stuff, and I think he got shot in the last instalment. Presumably she'll end up raped by thousands of orcs or something by the end but it's a nice change from the stuff upthread

LJ, what's your other favorite movie of the decade??

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 01:03 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Don't start him on Oldboy plz.

Max, many would claim Irreversible to be misogynistic, homophobic etc. I know it was a slightly lazy rejoinder of mine, but the point stands: if someone expresses something socially rotten in the name of art, I take it as art, and judge the person rather than the creation. The depiction of (rather than the reality of) appalling violence towards women is something I can stomach. Not in this shitty cartoony attention-seeking frat-boy manner, mind.

http://anotherrandomday.com/img/comic/39.gif

Max, many would claim Irreversible to be misogynistic, homophobic

Many have claimed it. It's not theoretical.

I know it was a slightly lazy rejoinder of mine, but the point stands: if someone expresses something socially rotten in the name of art, I take it as art, and judge the person rather than the creation.

If somebody creates something and calls it "art" you judge the person? How does that work? I don't judge Gaspar Noe, I don't know what he's like. I can't get into his head. But I can judge his movie, which I find repellent to no particular end. Reservoir Dogs is infinitely more moral in its transaction with the viewer. For an actual critique of the relationship between sadism, camerawork, and viewership, Peeping Tom does more in five minutes than than Irreversible does in its entire running time.

The depiction of (rather than the reality of) appalling violence towards women is something I can stomach. Not in this shitty cartoony attention-seeking frat-boy manner, mind.

Ah, but when done tastefully, with a French accent - ceci bon!

Well, the judgement of the person only amounts to "this is someone prepared to use these images", it is a judgement of attitude rather than morality. The only aspect of the art I can judge is my attitude towards and relationship with it.

Also, the film isn't about that so much as it is about foreknowledge and chance.

And the depiction of the violence has nothing to do with the French accent and everything to do with its place in a narrative, its unblinking brutality, and its artificial realism.

Ah, but when done tastefully, with a French accent - ceci bon!

Good Cicero?

Ha sorry - "c'est si bon." Irritation and French usually mix so well, too!

Chiche!

Just to make this more complicated don't you tend to judge both the art and the artist, increasingly separately over time, at least?

I think what I'm trying to say is that you cannot castigate extreme art for evoking such a reaction in you, you can only castigate the creator of the art for a perceived nefarious intention, or yourself for witnessing the art. Judging isn't quite what I was trying to convey, and I perhaps shouldn't have used the word in the initial post Tracer responded to.

Actually, I can. I'm doing it right now!

Why is it important to show us the "artificial realism" of watching a lengthy rape? What does that have to do with foreknowledge and chance, which you say are the subjects of the film?

("Artificial realism" is a good term for it - that static, uncut medium shot of the rape literally exists nowhere in life, except in the fantasies of deliberate rapists.)

Michael I guess I have to question Noe's common sense, but beyond that he may be a perfectly nice guy.

'Castigat'ing art isn't really my thing, and I'm not a fan of censorship, but there's a lot of shit, vile, useless art and 'art' out there that I won't be bothered to look at much and which, if forced and regardless of the intent and character of the artist, I will denounce if I am not allowed to just ingore it or smirk at it.

Sort of like the Shredded Moose guy actually - I get the feeling he's actually sort of sad and pathetic and lost, and not at all the swashbuckling cargo-shorts dude his comic suggests.

The reverberating image (acoleuthic recollection after the event) of the rape scene torments the mind during the later scenes of the movie, the foreknowledge of horror juxtaposed with the tender ruminations on chance that pepper the protagonists' everyday conversation, and the thought that it could go any way...but that it doesn't.

You're probably right about Shredded Moose guy, but I think setting Irreversible up as a slash-pervert's dream is entirely unfair to its cinematography, soundtrack, and second half. The violent scenes themselves are not thrilling, they are hypnotically horrendous.

I get the feeling he's actually sort of sad and pathetic and lost

He's never moved on from the puerile "Ewww, girls are gross and dumb BUT, OMG, they have boobies!" stage and even has the misguided temerity to 'sublimate' his 'complicated' feelings into an embarrassing strip.

acoleuthic? Anacoluthic?

It would be just as horrible, and achieve the same effect in the narrative, if you only saw a minute of it. Even thirty seconds would still feel like a million years. So - what's the point of seven minutes?

Read what I wrote! I'm not "setting Irreversible up as a slash-pervert's dream", I'm describing that particular shot as only possible in a rapist's mind. No one would sit still and watch that in real life for more than a few seconds.

Abbot was right - I knew I was falling into this trap. GAH

xpost

the shredded moose guy has obviously been rejected a lot by women irl but that's kind of a challops i guess

TBH, SM dude is also uttering the rallying cry for his fellow douchebags to congegrate. Misogyny has been used by men for years immemorial to transcend class, race, etc...

No one would sit still and watch that in real life for more than a few seconds.

Indeed - but the rape itself would not last mere seconds. Noe forces us to devour the scene whole, the completed act, the apparently unscripted drama. We are the stranger who cannot intervene, and we remain so throughout the film, until at the very last we begin once again to identify WITH the characters....as they are snatched from us.

Acoleuthic is a groovy little word that only has (had) one Google hit - in a Bertrand Russell history of philosophy. Its meaning is one of the neatest conceptions I've found, and indeed I based my dissertation (upon the topic of Zukofsky's "Objectivists" program) largely on its principles. Indeed, I discovered it within a poem of Rexroth's, and found it to be a great summation of the secondary artistic experience (not the creation, but the reception).

I'm not saying the rape would last mere seconds. I'm saying that anyone whose eyes saw even the first few seconds of the images we see in that scene would 1) call the police on their mobile phone 2) yell and run towards them 3) beat the guy senseless or I guess 4) run away. Or a combination of all those. What Noe does is strap us in like we're Alex in a Clockwork Orange, eyelids propped open with pins, unable to move or look away from one of the most horrible things it is possible to witness.

I'm not saying it's impossible that a scene like this can serve a purpose, either narratively or morally. But what purpose do you think it serves? For instance how, as I asked before, does it relate to what you say the film's themes are - foreknowledge (or lack of it), and chance?

If it serves no narrative or moral purpose, what is it doing there?

Have you seen Peeping Tom?

Like I say, it embeds the scene's entirety within us, and makes us accomplice, party to the act from its random inception to its brutal end. With this remaining in mind, we watch the second half, the completed fall of Alex still flickering in our consciousness, as the characters discuss their future blissfully unaware of what Noe has directed for them.

I haven't seen Peeping Tom, but I'd love to. Heard only good things.

Why is it important, narratively or morally or any way at all, for the audience to be "party to the act from its random inception to its brutal end"? What does that have to do with the themes of foreknowledge and chance?

Like I said above, I think it serves similar purposes to Un chien andalou. What can the viewer survive? Turning film into some sort of endurance test, or as some sort of visual brutality.

Look, I said foreknowledge and chance were TWO of the main themes, I didn't say they were the be-all and end-all. They come into play in the film's second half, and the success of our blasted foreknowledge is ensured by the extremity and uncompromising COMPLETENESS of the rape and fire-extinguisher scenes (as well as the unblinking, unfaltering filming of all the other scenes). We go through entire experiences.

The completeness of the experiences, then, does not intimate or represent a horror, it IS the horror. The movie, for the first half, IS a recycled scene of pure horror. This is both more believable and more affecting.

Mordy, I haven't seen this film, but it does sound like this particular scene is as long as Un Chien Andalou in its entirety. Which makes it a bit different, right?

Also, LJ, you aren't making a good case. You're baiting and switching like crazy here. First we're the stranger who can't intervene, then we're the accomplice, then we're something else entirely. It would be better for you to be consistent.

XP LJ, that raises an interesting point I haven't really thought about, but yeah - there is a line between mimetic/representation of horror and horror itself, and the film does seem to comment on that line. Though it doesn't exact step over it - as a viewer you're still aware you're watching a film and these are actors. As much as it simulates a snuff film, it isn't a snuff film.

emil.y, definitely the rape scene is much more brutal and much longer than the razor/eye scene. But they seem to do similar things to me (literally to me, and also IMO). They make you want to turn away from the scene and shield your eyes in discomfort. They create a physically uncomfortable sensation despite the fact you realize they are both fake (a cow's eye in one case, and actor's acting in the other).

UCA is 28 minutes long, the scene is 9.

The stranger who cannot intervene IS the accomplice. By not walking out of the movie or pressing "stop", the stranger is allowing Noe's vision to unfold. I gather quite a lot of people DID walk out at this point, in order to prevent themselves from fulfilling this role. ("It repulsed them too much" is a cop-out.)

I could film myself taking a nine-minute shit and then, in reverse chronology you'd see me eating a sausage and pepperoni pizza. Crazy! Those seven minutes would have been crucial. Uncompromising. COMPLETE. The viewer would have gone through an entire experience.

The film cannot exist without a viewer, the viewer walking out subverts the director's vision, etc? XP

have not seen this film. i don't want to watch a woman get raped for ten minutes, and if someone said they wanted me to, and that doing so was important for some really important thematic point later on i would probably laugh in their face or quietly raise my eyebrows and tell them to fuck off.

if i ever rent this i'll probably fast forward to the non-rape parts and i bet you i still 'get it', sorry gaspar.

goole, I think the argument being forwarded here is that your reaction ("if I ever watch this film, I'll skip the rape scenes"), is an intended reaction. You're supposed to have an intense reaction to the film and the film's premise and if you aren't upset/offended, you probably aren't getting it. At least that's my argument. (And why the film was brought up in the context of this thread.)

Well in doing that, you'd be making a film about a shit. The spectre of the shit, having fully inhabited the film at one stage, would infest the delicious, tender pizza-eating scene, and create awkward juxtapositions within the viewer's mind. It wouldn't be as arrestingly shocking, final as the rape/extinguisher scenes, but nonetheless the shit itself would as a completed artistic portrayal verify itself in preparation for the afters.

Although, eating -> shitting is a logical process, and Noe is describing random chance, which by his narrative trick becomes grim inevitability.

Mordy, I'm not the biggest Barthes fan, but yes, if every viewer walked out at this point, Noe would have completely failed. Yes, you're meant to be horrified. If you start whacking off or cheering then you are not the stranger, you are the rapist. Or maybe just the pervert. Noe is not catering for you.

Yeah, I dunno, I don't particularly have anything against showing a brutal rape scene if it works in context, but none of the arguments for having it be 9 minutes long seem to really stand up. It seems like an artful film-maker could easily get the same effect without having it be that long, but at the same time you might as well have it in real-time (if indeed it is). I'm assuming it is aware of films like I Spit on Your Grave etc, and wants to be something more than that.

On the other hand, LJ, whether you like this particular piece of cinema or not, it has very little to do with you being too hardcore to find shit like Shredded Moose offensive. They're very different beasts.

Well, regarding the Shredded Moose thing, I do realise they're different kettles of fish. Just that I'm not "offended" per se by Shredded Moose; if I was, then the douches will have won, and their artistic portrayal would have touched a nerve. It hasn't. They're undoubtedly striking, these cartoons, but in a very boring way.

Plus, I was just making a crass point: it takes more than portrayal of violence towards women to make me all "WTF STOP THIS SHIT". There's gotta be context, explanation.

Or failing that, nine full minutes of it!

Would you rather it had been a two-minute rape? Rape it would have been nonetheless, no less horrifying morally (provided he still kicked her face in afterwards). As a nine-minute scene it moved from a cameo sequence into an act that for me at least felt complete and final. I think Noe got the timing just about right.

it takes more than portrayal of violence towards women to make me all "WTF STOP THIS SHIT". There's gotta be context, explanation.

Yeah, you see, I think violence towards women with no thought process, no context and no explanation is WORSE than violence with thought, context and explanation. The banality of something like SM is much much worse than something that, no matter what each individual feels its artistic merit is, can at least be dissected and discussed.

...which puts you in complete agreement with me!

Unless you're being sarcastic. :D

LJ, you said you weren't offended by Moosecrap and emily seems to be saying she was. How is she agreeing with you?

Oh wait, you're claiming SM is by definition "more offensive". Well, it's offensive to my artistic judgement, but not to my moral one. Offensive to one's artistic judgement isn't so much "offensive" as "shit art".

xpost

It's not about how long the diegetic rape is, LJ. Some go on for hours, I guess. It's about how long we need to watch it to process and experience the true horribleness of it.

The ironic thing is that in Irreversible there is no context or explanation for why the audience sees nine unblinking minutes of a woman getting raped. It just happens. Scary men in the subway! Scary men in an S&M club! Ooga booga!

Wait, how does that put me in agreement with you? You just said you need context and explanation to make you go "WTF stop this shit" - I just said that violence without context and explanation makes me go "WTF stop this shit". You were saying that you don't find SM offensive, I'm saying that I do.

xposts, yes. I find "shit art" to be more offensive than "good art" even if "good art" involves being morally troublesome (and I have probably seen many more morally troublesome films than LJ, innit).

Whoa, what I meant was that it takes context and explanation to allow me to make an artistic judgement. Violence without context doesn't exist. The rape in Irreversible happens through a chance meeting at the wrong time, but there is a context: Noe has chosen it to happen to a character as she leaves a party, perpetrated by a passing pimp. In SM, the violence has context: the artist wishes purely to shock us out of our complacent comfort-zones, and make a controversial name for himself. There is no AESTHETIC reason for the violence in SM, which is what I was agreeing with, inasmuch as it is not good art.

TH, the narrative trick turns random cruelty into logical procedure, and the dialogue in the second half neatly foreshadows the fate of the characters. The fire-extinguisher scene is different, in that the dude's sudden act of violence is somewhat explained by his previous shortcomings.

I mean why does anything happen in any film ever?

Well, obviously there's some sort of context, but SM is so mindless that it doesn't even seem set out to shock - it's just blase, banal misogyny.

Nah, I reckon SM's on some "I can say what I want" libertarian tip, and is trying to provoke outraged responses by pretending to be completely, remorselessly misogynist. In actual fact I reckon it's taken that line because as someone says upthread it has a healthy dose of castration fear. So yeah, misogynist, but not in the way it's making out. Maybe this is what you mean by "banal misogyny".

Sorry, I got distracted reading about a new rollercoaster.

I like to think the SM creator is reading this thread, laughing at the fact it has turned into a first year cinema studies dissertation, and laughing his head off and thinking we're a bunch of douchebags.

Do Australia universities really expect a dissertation in their first year of a course?

Australian their

No idea tbh! heh.

OK a first year cinema studies round table discussion, then.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not knocking whats being said, I just find it amusing where the thread went.

I like to think the SM creator is reading this thread, laughing at the fact it has turned into a first year cinema studies dissertation, and laughing his head off and thinking we're a bunch of douchebags.

I don't think he's that sophisticated. Honestly, his stuff doesn't read like gorilla troll webcomicing. It reads like someone who thinks his stuff is actually funny and if people don't get it, they are probably P.C. assholes.

That I agree with. Shit, I *know* people like that.

So after slogging through this thread I've reached a conclusion...

Shredded Moose :: Fark
XKCD :: Boing Boing

One fifth of my final paper (i.e. my whole degree) was a paper on tragedy. The emphasis was to be on Shakespearian and Ancient Greek tragedy. My entire answer was on a single question ("To what extent does tragedy negate poetic justice?"), and it was around 8 sides long. One whole side of this answer was spent discussing Irreversible. Just sayin', Trayce ain't far from the truth!

Time destroys all threads

more plz

Don't bother - I think we get it...

LJ really managed to derail this thread good and proper, didn't he.

"this thread"

it's all about the f-minus:

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/umedia/20080905/cp.ddd65137ebeb723c574afee0c6b52f3f

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/umedia/20080903/cp.74bf9659f58d705c78313608fb6f3e88

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/umedia/20080909/cp.c3aacf594ffc52e01efdfc06158bca0a

Well, it's offensive to my artistic judgement, but not to my moral one.

-Just got offed, Wednesday, August 6, 2008 7:29 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

Umm... misogyny really should offend your moral judgement.

http://www.comics.com/comics/fminus/archive/images/fminus2003056880820.gif

http://www.comics.com/comics/fminus/archive/images/fminus2917050080825.gif

http://www.comics.com/comics/fminus/archive/images/fminus2008018341829.gif

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2007-02-12.jpg

"fuck yeah!"

*QUIVER! QUIVER!*

robert crumb's art is so grubby and particularist it's pretty clear it's one man's ugly take on the world. this shit, and the godawful penny arcade too, all look like characters that would be rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997. crumb's art is so exuberant it doesn't care if it's alone and disliked, all these suckass webcomics are so graspy and desperate for approval, it is a "community voice," god help us

xps oh jesus christ

― goole, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 2:14 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

This is beginning to to resonate with the experience of having a furry lab partner who identified with the Delta airlines mascot for kids. God I hated that fucking lion.

"THRUST?...." ...HEY!... THAT'S A SYNONYM FOR "PENETRATE ISN'T IT--

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2362/2401199086_6d8244309f_o.jpg

OMG come back custos all is forgiven

hey jon thx for quoting that on yr del.icio.us!

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-08-08.jpg
He was less then impressed

really sticking it to the man there

can i add that this strip is vile, and i wish bad things upon those who write/draw it.

Should have remembered to put "around" it goole

lawyer or an orphan?

he was threatening to kill himself?

to cooperate on what?

god, just... ugh.

i don't even understand the last panel.

HE WAS BEING REBELLIOUS THANKS TO THE MAGIC OF THE MIDDLE FINGER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO DO LAW BUT DRAW COMIX ABOUT HIS LIFE AS A PERMANENTLY-VIRGINAL VIDEO GAMES NERD

I mean, it's a bit obvious.

This is beginning to to resonate with the experience of having a furry lab partner who identified with the Delta airlines mascot for kids. God I hated that fucking lion.

― html tsar (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the mascot or the lab partner?

http://img.skitch.com/20080915-8cj9c347yiru8sbgyhp3jqhsrj.jpg

I think I just felt bad for the lab partner but all my childhood flights seemed to be on fucking Delta.

i wanna see my hero pt 1

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-01-21.jpg

wtfffff

btw yall i found proof that shadow and chug is some kind of pokey-esque sendup of videogame webcomics:

http://comics.drunkduck.com/Powerup_Comics/pages/ecf93a139afc247cb13ec7d5051d9e6a.png

there's no way in the world that's not intentional

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-06-13.jpg

Yeah, that was funny.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii317/RabitesAngelatin/worstcartoonever.jpg

At least he isn't hung-over and HOE-less.

so wait, he sleeps in the hat? nevermind, i buy that.

Fuck fuck washing a hat.

The joke is he's gay, right? Hence why he looks straight out of alternotwink central casting.

i was just thinkin that dom - look how lovingly rendered his nude body is

http://www.shreddedmoose.com/smcomikaze/comics/2008-09-26.jpg

https://xkcd.com/1048/

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/emotion.png

:(

http://i11.tinypic.com/53ucxtl.gifhttp://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/amos-768x1024.jpg

idgi

sorry, the latter picture just reminded me of the former is all. Couldn't find a dedicated thread for O$ama thumbs-up guy, so...