Why are sweaters considered wussy?

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Thanks for the insight there, svend.

A quick google search reveals some fascinating opinions:

... least biased and most informed, I can tell you that NPR's audience is dominated by sweater wearing pussy do-gooders. Especially the call in shows. ...
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The Daily Bruin - Sound Bites
Hailing from Massachusetts, the Nields have actually amassed quite a devoted following among the East Coast, woven sweater wearing, latte drinking,

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And of course the Europian, fleece sweater-wearing, latte-liberals love this guy, he's one of them! He wants diplomacy and a huge entitlement-giving ...
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Be a Man and Cry Once in a While!
Singing, dancing, tight leather pants, validation that changing a "bad boy" into a sweater wearing wuss is possible--all things that chicks dig. ...
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http://www.onlinesales4less.com/sweaterAcrylicCommando.jpg

I don't know about sweaters, but I wear a jumper every day.

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

I only own two sweaters and one of them is a promotional Ugly Duckling sweater circa 2001 so maybe there is an answer there somehow

ladies and gents,

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/severe.jpg

fuck you if you can't take a sweater.

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

I have directed this question at Jordan before, who claims not to wear sweaters, and lives in Madison, WI. He said something about a coat. Which is, yeah, prolly adequate for warmth alone, but that seems like bread and water. Why not layer? Add another piece to the outfit? Accessorize!

Oh no I just answered the thread question.

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you

Does this behavior have an origin in ... rockism???

No, it has its origin in pickled eggs.

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

Flannels and chamois. Thermal undershirts. Put that under a coat and you're good.

i have never once encountered this attitude

Neither have I, truth be told. Is is some kinda east coast thing? I grew up in texas, where sweaters are so unnecessary that there aren't any around to think of as wussy, and now I live in Chicago where there are about four months of the year where if you're not wearing a sweater, you're probably stuffing newspapers in your shirt and hoping you live through the night. So again, no judgment.

Yeah, me neither. But then I live in Norway, where you'd be a fool not to have sweaters and scarves (I seem to recall us having a similar thread about the latter)

Is there a genuine difference between sweaters, pullovers and jumpers, or do people tend to use those words interchangeably?

In the US, I think a jumper is definitely the kind of thing we'd just call a sweater, and a pullover is the kind of thing we'd also call a sweater a of of the time, but is more like a hoodie without the full front zipper, in which case we'd call it a hoodie.

You say tomato...

jumper

http://shop1.actinicexpress.co.uk/shops/RaygillClothing/images/catalog/gordon_jumper__350_x_335_.jpg

pullover

http://www.bitspn.com/images/Classic_Pullover.jpg

I guess a pullover is kind of anything that you have to pull over your head? And is also outerwear?

Hm, dictionary.com sez this about Pullover:
"–noun
1. Also called slipover. a garment, esp. a sweater, that must be drawn over the head to be put on."

Makes sense to me. Though, uh, I hadn't heard of "slipovers" before. GIS reveal these fearsome things:
http://www.kilkeelknitwear.com/Cricket_slipover.JPG

but is more like a hoodie without the full front zipper, in which case we'd call it a hoodie.

Either could also be called a sweatshirt.

I've tried the sweater thing, particularly after the fashion of the "jumper" man from Kenan's pic, on top of a collared shirt. I didn't look quite as dapper though. Some dudes can look very handsome in that look. Some can't.

Maybe it has something to do with sweaters being knitted by grandmas and mummies and made in terrible colors and given to men for Christmas with much schmaltzy holding it up to the poor guy's shoulders to predict whether it'll fit?

That said, I'm from Michigan and my dad the manly man wears sweaters.

There are manly sweaters availablte but in general sweaters tend to be more delicate. You can't exactly go running through the woods climbing over rocks, hills, and fires in a $400 piece of cashmere.

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i have never once encountered this attitude

Me neither.

to the extent this attitude actually exists, i imagine it's found primarily in the west, and primarily in its warmer parts

it's 'i am not an eastern preppy type'

I live in northeast Ohio. I wear a lot of those LL Bean-type zip-front sweaters during the winter. Anyone who has an issue with it is welcome to pay my heating bill.

it's possible that it has invaded other parts of the country that are heavily mediated by southern california and where sweaters might not be required

burt dude, you really need to get over this "looking like a homo" fixation re: clothing

i mean, you obviously have some issues to resolve but this "homo --> no homo" spectral analysis of clothes is really tepid

Burt's the one who puts a bucketload of gel in his hair, right? Burtie, I'd be much more concerned with said "fixation."

Those llbean sweaters Pancakes is talking about are pretty sweet actually.

"do these pants make my ass look gay?"

Turtleneck-hate is a separate issue, right?

i love a man in a wussy sweater

This should be ILS's promo thread!

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

either hoodies, or a tank top and pretend they're not cold and you are a pussy for needing a sweater.

Booger would wear a hoodie. Ted McGinley's character would wear a tennis-type sweater.

maybe a fair-isle knit featuring the 'mudflap girl' silhouette might be masculine enough?

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/53000350/Images/7/BLM937_Sweaters067.jpg

The one thing I don't like about summer is not being able to wear a sweater (the v-neck over the shirt kind)

oh yeah, "jumper" for you fruitcakes across the pond. I'm not talking about any kind-of "homo" thing, I mean the association is that sweaters = sensitive, even here in the Northeast. Maybe Mr. Rogers or some shit like that?

I also can't believe people actually think that Hot Chips glasses person was me.

http://www.nataliedee.com/031507/i-love-sweater.jpg

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http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/normal/p-32521-41071P_013-dog.jpg

^1st results for "dog hoodie" and "dog sweater"

What need does a dog have for kangaroo pockets? He doesn't have any thumbs!!?

for plastic baggies

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want

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^^ ur doin it rong

want both!

i just mean the sweater tucked in to pants & worn under the braces = massive wtf

could that bowtie be any more tiny?

White jeans!

they are white but not jeans (see pocket placement)

I haven't been able to find colored jeans that I look ok in.

Sweaters are itchy and conduct too much static electricity. They're also prone to getting stretched out. However, I have never heard anyone say that they're wussy.

They develop holes.

The sweaters or wussies?

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are those... pimento-stuffed olives?

all of the 80s in one garment

It's so true. Not only is it horribly fucking hideous, if you squint really hard it looks like an American flag.

i just mean the sweater tucked in to pants & worn under the braces = massive wtf

-- elmo argonaut, Thursday, August 7, 2008 10:25 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

love it. LOVE

Burt, you think everything is "considered wussy."

Maybe it's you, man, maybe it's you.

NO NO wait, read his post again... he's PRO-sweater! He's trying to understand why many people that he has encountered are anti-sweater. Which leads me to conclude that everyone he knows is a dickhead.

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/01/09/national/clar.650.425.jpg

Yes, I'm pro-sweater. I grew up in New Jersey, where everyone's a sarcastic bastard.

Oh jeez... you see? It IS an east coast thing!

A dickhead east coast thing.

Burt, stop caring what they say/think.

They make fun of you after you pass on the street.

Dude I know he's pro-sweater, but sweaters are basically the most recent of 80 million things he's been worried are perceived as wussy or turdlike or weenie or upper-class or whatever, which leads me to suspect this broad "perception" is actually just projection on Burt's part

oh ok.

that Dewalt hat is gay

Dude, I'm not actually worried about any of this shit. I'm curious about the origins of that opinion. I was just surprised people think a basic piece of clothing somehow signifies being sensitive or wussy.

He's thinking about sweater-guy's undoubtedly high-performance tools.

xp

well... i do have a bunch of faggy looking sweaters.

I read somewhere that Burt Stanton didn't really exist. So - was that not true?

From a Time cover story a couple months ago:

The "misery index," a then popular measure that added the unemployment rate to the inflation rate, had skyrocketed during Carter's tenure. Taxes had risen sharply. There were other issues on voters' minds, like the Iranian hostage crisis and those dang cardigans Carter used to wear. But the economy was crucial to Reagan's victory.

jimmy carter / mister rogers cardigan continuum

Dude, I met this guy once in bar, and he was a cool guy, and we talked about news and politics and religion and all that kinda stuff that you don't talk about at Thanksgiving, but we were totally in sync with all that. Then I said, "Hey you wanna go stick your dick in some chick's honey pot?" and he was like "NO WAY! I totally wanna stick my dick in some dude's chocolate factory!" And we never talked again.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's a super-common or intensely held opinion, really, and I think that in the kinds of examples you're bringing up, people are actually sort of using "sweater" to refer to specific types of sweater-wearing far more than they're dismissing the entire category of sweaters -- types like big dorky fuzzy grandma-knitted sweaters, and goofy suburban-dad Christmas reindeer sweaters, and cabled out-on-the-Cape sweaters, and tied-around-shoulders, and tennis-y sweaters, and bundly ill-fitting uncomfortable "keep the kids warm while sledding" sweaters etc. (In lots of those the sweater is standing in for social class way more than it's in any way about sweaters!)

But somehow I doubt any of these people would take a categorical anti-sweater stance, and if you were wearing some kind of everyday solid-colored sweater I find it hard to imagine many people would think of you as anything other than a guy in a sweater. (There are lots of types of sweaters and ways of wearing them and it's difficult to imagine anyone who's against all of them.)

burt stanton is very real, he is a robot sent here to destroy us

dont forget the dreaded COSBY sweater

No, it totally refers to -any- sweater, nabisco. Black solid sweaters, brown solid sweaters, anything. Young person + sweater seems to blow some peoples' minds. I guess they imagine sweater wearing as like ... a guidance councilor in a loose mustard yellow crewneck over a pale blue oxford shirt trying to "rap with ya".

that was only 2 hours ago xp

i think they just think you are wussy and are going easy on you by saying it's just your sweater

Yeah Burt I know this will shock you, but your habit of making flat unconsidered statements that things are a certain way is not nearly as persuasive as you might want it to be!

xpost - Sweaters sometimes code as "smug," I think that's true (and kind of funny, because it's so literal, that you're so snug and comfy and relaxed in your damn cozy sweater). I would be way closer to thinking Burt was on something significant here if we were just talking about cardigans, incidentally, though you'd have to split it equally between "wussy" and sort of thoughtful grandfatherly vibes

sweater-wearin lookin boy

what about commando sweaters?

Maybe the giant price drop in wool from China has ever parent in the world trying to force sweaters onto their children (because OMG it's merino for only $30) and this has created some insane generational gap that exists directly between me and burt_stanton, despite that price drop happening not that long ago

haha burt quit frontin' the cultural anthropoloist stance and just admit that you have gender anxiety every time you go to the closet

i am going to repeat that i love men in wussy sweaters.

uh... anthropologist

anthropologist sweater apologist

more like arGAYle sweater amirite

Gender anxiety over what? I know who I am. I think it's the same deal with corduroy pants ... these have associations. But maybe I guess among music sceney people where pieces of clothing have this clique significance. Oh yeah, I forgot to factor that in.

I like sweaters, but I am a homo

anthropololist

knowing who you are doesn't preclude wondering why people treat you the way they do.

I have a couple of sweaters that I like precisely because I think they give me sort of a stylishly bookish look. I have other sweaters, though, that mostly convey, "I live in the Midwest, and it is cold here."

The girls who've paid witness always say "they're just jealous of you so they're just competing." Jealous of what, I do not know. Maybe I need to look deep inside my soul about this one.

I think it's the same deal with corduroy pants ... these have associations.

I totally know what you mean. It's like, thicker fabric that becomes unpleasant to wear in hot weather. Sheeeeit.

maybe try going gay and see how that works for you xp

"do these chandelier earrings make me look like a pansy?"

k relax

I think it's the same deal with corduroy pants ... these have associations.

That you are a hippie?

xpost yeah I know. I'm in that mood. Leaving thread now.

I don't think you know what I'm going for here, elmo. Sweaters, corduroy, etc., have associations as sensitive, bookish types of clothes (I don't know where you got the gay thing from ... do you personally associate gays with wussiness?). I'm curious as to why this came to be.

this whole thread is just burt backdoor bragging...

Bragging about what?

yeah burt is playing both sides of the fence i think

i dunno, burt, maybe because your oft repeated observations that American men don't like close fitting / 'european' styled garments because they think it makes them look like homos

and yeah i know you are talking about "other people's perceptions" (O.P.P.) but a lot of your observations on clothing seem to have to do with how masculinity (or its absence) is enacted through clothes

My use of "homo" is completely tongue in cheek. How can it not be

and to address your questions about why sweaters, corduroys -- and also tweed, i guess -- has a lot to do with modes of dress at english & american universities from the first half of the 20th century

My general dislike of too-tight clothing is 1) my dick and ass stick out too far and it's pretty embarrassing 2) my real association is that it makes you look like a dirty ginzo.

I don't know where you got the gay thing from ... do you personally associate gays with wussiness?).

Who's the real homophobe here DO U SEE?

such things were considered casual "country" attire, as opposed to formal "city" clothes xp

uh woah & double woah

Just so everyone's on the same page, Burt was also recently asking on another board whether tucking in your shirt automatically made you look like a nerd, which is part of why I imagine his personal bar for looking wussy/nerdy is set unusually low. (I mean, maybe if you lived your whole life in the context of dive bars and rock shows, then yes, your sweater might come off a bit fancy, but most people walk around a bit.)

The corduroy thing is another clue and possibly a good example: there are ways people can wear corduroy that have "bookish" associations, but there are also millions of greasy dudes walking around in ratty boot-cut corduroy pants, and millions of people just wearing corduroy pants and looking like normal-ass everyday Americans in their pants. Not everyone wearing a sweater and corduroy is walking around in some L.L. Bean pleated country-house trousers and a cable-knit sweater with little polo horses embroidered on it.

xpost oh man I have zero idea what a "ginzo" is -- is it, like, a guy who exists in a world where men only wear t-shirts and like to talk about how far their dicks extend in front of them?

so why don't (the majority of) American men like European-style clothing?

'ginzo' is like the superlative of 'guido' iirc

a guido's guido

I do what I do no matter what, I just like to pick brains and mull on pointless shit. and I think the tucking your shirt in was a good question--since the 90s nobody tucks their shirt in anymore, but if you go past that you never saw anybody with any shirt untucked, including polos. The question came to mind since I've been noticing more and more fashionable types wearing collared shirts tucked into nice jeans.

I just like to pick brains and mull on pointless shit
I just like to pick brains and mull on pointless shit
I just like to pick brains and mull on pointless shit
I just like to pick brains and mull on pointless shit
I just like to pick brains and mull on pointless shit

lol burt loves to start threads where he can brag about a) how skinny he is and b) how much his dick sticks out

my dick and ass stick out too far and it's pretty embarrassing

how far is "too far"? ;)

you got it, that's what this was all leading up to.

i don't see how pants that make you look a bit crotchy can be considered a bad thing

flaunt if you got, etc

no dude didnt you hear, having a grocery groin is gay

WHAT DOES YOUR DICK HAVE TO DO WITH A SWEATER

Nothing, this is going back to other gonzo posts where I throw out ridiculous sounding shit and people are like, "omg cool it on the hair gel hot chips glasses guy"

Bell Labs, if you like men in wussy sweaters then it's a good thing you have never met me, in one of mine, or who knows what might have happened; they are pretty extreme in their woolly or acrylicky way.

I wonder whether, if I ask again, anyone, at all, will take 30 seconds or so to answer my query about the issue of whether Burt Stanton exists or not. I thought he did, then I read somewhere that he was a hoax of some kind, but here he is again. I know that anything I write nowadays is invisible to Nabisco, but please, could someone clarify?

I'm assuming he really exists because, I guess, what the hell, why not? But really I have no idea.

tbh Max nailed it:

lol burt loves to start threads where he can brag about a) how skinny he is and b) how much his dick sticks out

PF - I think he exists too but like Laurel I have no real idea.

pinefox did you just hit on both bell_labs and nabisco in the same post?

Burt, I just think you're bizarrely black and white about these things -- e.g., your history of shirt-tucking there is off in a billion ways. There are lots of people in the world and lots of ways to wear different things.

And in the case of this thread ... god, see, sweaters may indeed read as slightly more "nice" and conventional and something your mother would like you to wear than a t-shirt and jeans, sure, but I can assure you that if the guy in the picture below were walking down the street, passersby would not go "haha OMG that guy is such a wuss," they would think "oh look it's a guy wearing normal clothing including a sweater":

http://www.bananarepublic.com/Asset_Archive/BRWeb/Assets/Product/512/512863/main/br512863-01p01v01.jpg

Actually I would think "Hey look, it's a catalog model whose jeans are too big" but YMMV.

And that's even a slightly fussy sweater example, there!

Also I'm still completely dumbfounded but this whole sweaters are wussy thing. It's insane! Sweaters can be so hot!

Also don't blame it on the NE Burt. I'm from Long Island and have still never heard of it. ;-)

Hey look, it's a catalog model whose jeansforehead is too big

FIXED

enbb, burt isn't from wussy long island, he is from new jersey, where men are men and dicks grow on trees

OMG what a wuss! Oh wait it's just a dopey-looking average dude in a normal average-dude sweater:

http://www.bambooclothes.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/mens-v-neck-white450.jpg

^^ also big forehead! someone get on the sweaters = big forehead correlation

Max: That is a nice idea. The idea of hitting on anyone at all is kind of appealing. I think they are both taken anyway, so no, I would not dream of it. And I would never dare to suggest that I could be of interest to BL, except for the specific 'wussy sweater' thing that she brought up repeatedly - that was the point. Nabisco, meanwhile, has this program on his computer that blocks anything I write, while showing everything that everyone else writes, so I was just referring to that. He can't see this post either.

I guess it is definitely true that the textual construct BS exists. (BS!!) And I wld not normally want to query anyone's validity - it's just that I thought there was a specific controversy about this re. BS, in which something had emerged. Is he a bit like that bloke who used to pretend (?) to be a truck driver maybe, only BS guy pretends to be a ... BS?

I miss the pinefox lately, why did he quit posting again?

I guess sweaters are sort of leisure-wear, in the sense that they're not suits or parts of suits like a shirt and pants are (even if not worn with jacket) and in this modern world of flannels they're not "work"-wear. So maybe people have come to think of them as items for people who expect to have and can afford to have separate clothing for leisure times/activities. Of course in reality that's basically all of us.

I think he exists too but like Laurel I have no real idea.

I will not be satisfied with Burt's existence without at least a little bit of this allegedly sticky-outy ass posted as proof. Mainly because my ass has already been on ILX, and douchery loves company.

Also, for people who might think sweaters are wussy, I don't know what they think men WORE so as not to freeze to death on the job/prairie/streets/fishing boats/etc before Carhartt.

x-post
If I remember correctly he posted a pic to illustrate both the sticky-outy ass and sticky-outy dick in question on another thread recently.

real men wear whole sheep.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/Rubus/Conan%20contenders/TheRockasConan2.jpg

actual lolz

the fact that sweaters most definitely were not wussy at any point in the past does not mean they aren't presently. just sayin.

v-necks on sweaters are straight bullshit

also I dunno if this was already brought up but re: "wussy" - doesn't jason bourne spend the entire first movie and most of the other ones wearing crew neck sweaters

v-necks on sweaters are straight bullshit

oh huh-uh

Why bless my cotton socks, is it International Challops Day already?

men should probably not wear turtleneck sweaters unless they are french. or really really hot.

or have hickeys

generally men wear turtleneck sweaters when they are cold

serious turtlenecks vs. mock turtlenecks

your personal wardrobe equivalent of the blue oxford shirt

I am biased

I loathe mock turtlenecks but what is wrong with a normal turtleneck?

v-necks on sweaters are straight bullshit

Wtf? That way you can wear a tie!

ties are straight bullshit

this is 2008 people

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB118133753537729469.html

my original intent to support our next president was cemented when I read (in the NYer profile I think?) that he could do for ties what kennedy did for hats

I'm all about layers (here in SF at least) and ties are an excellent way (like a scarf but with more, ha ha, panache) to keep warm.

I would probably rock the dirty harry out there myself but out here that junk is stifling

(harry callahan also a classic sweater-wearing wuss)

v-necks are awesome. I'm wearing one now, looking kinda wussy I suspect

tom u crazy

I wore a manly, insensitive, gray thermal sweater today.

perhaps a scientific explanation? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7635423.stm

http://media.virginmega.fr/Covers/Large/CIR/5033281001577.jpg

sweaters == wool == sheep == timid wussy animals

sturt banton

SOmehow I have lost all but two of my sweaters on vacations over the past two years, including my faves beautiful charcoal cashmere cardigan that has been my standby for years in both "damn I am comfortable" and "damn if I don't look especially attractive in this piece of clothing." It is tearing my heart two pieces, esp. since it is only like six weeks until sweater weather here!

Missing u cardigan.

Do you know how hard it is to find a piece of clothing that makes you feel perfect and comfortable AND is also v flattering? At least one that I can afford?

Oh man it's like I lost my hard drive contents or something.

I have a sweater addiction problem. There are three giant wooden crates full of sweaters in our bedroom and a mountain of sweaters above it that don't fit inside the crates anymore. I could wear a different one every day for a month and not repeat. It's *bad*. I think I got this way because I"m a pack rat, buy them at thrift stores for not much money, and receive them at Christmas, and treat myself to ones that I like, and snoop for weird old ones on Ebay. Now I'm like one of those crazy old ladies with a million cats, but with sweaters.

I wld adopt some.

I should do a purge and set some free to good homes.

On the "wussy" question, I do recall that back in the 90s hipster queers used to refer to wealthy assimilationist gay men as "sweater queens", so there's more background support for the notion. But dammit they are warm and cozy so fuck that.

Wearing a sweater means that you are wearing a sweater. And that's all.

I think sweaters remind people of Mr Rogers and Stuart Smiley, rendering them eternally wussy.

HOWEVER, as they are now experiencing a wave of popularity among black & latino kids from the bronx & harlem, i think they will lose their stigma.

as a sidenote, middle aged people in NYC do this thing (much like how they say "on line" when they mean "in line") where they refer to sweatshirts as sweaters. it makes me confused.

valuable new poster sockpuppet poster

"on line" to mean "in line" is an NYC metro area thing. If you're from the area you say it, including ole burty himself. kinda like "plain pie" for pizza.

But yeah, the dapper sweater look definitely seems popular with the black youth.

Starting around Halloween I tend to wear sweaters full time until the end of March. They are warm. I spend a lot of time in a poorly heated bus next to an open window (it's always open regardless of the weather, to improve my ability to see my side mirror). I don't wear them for looks, but I think they look pretty good, too.

I am starting to drift towards Cosby sweater territory with some recent Missoni-on-the-cheap-via-Ebay purchases. Cosby sweaters are one of the Bermuda Triangles of fashion, so beware . . .

for example- where you folks stand on this bad boy right here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MISSONI-Wool-Cardigan-Coat-Jacket-Leather-Button-NWT_W0QQitemZ230294801874QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230294801874&_trkparms=72%3A1210|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

so i was just reading thru the rest of this thread.... what is a "turtleneck sweater"??? like the neck part is also made out of sweater? i don't think i have ever seen such a thing, it sounds terrifying.

I am starting to drift towards Cosby sweater territory OMG, I would kill for Cosby's sweater collection, I love old jumpers, Oxfam is my friend, they're best when they don't fit just right.

the golfier the better

xactly

put a sweater on, take a drug, listen to this. pass out. pinnacle of existence.

somebody tell me if that item I linked to up there is hideous or awesome, please

I need a sweater intervention

It's funny, I'm wearing what I'm pretty sure is the only hoodie I've owned since I was at least 10.

and yeah, that jumper is really really cool

i feel it drew but u gotta wear it with confidence, falter for one minute and everyone will see thru ur panache and hurl invective at u

i have one hoodie, it's pink and huge and i only wear it when i've taken ecstasy and stayed up all night the night before.

it's good for 2 min journey to buy juice with hood up in this scenario.

the missoni sweater linked is beautiful!

Yeah, I was considering bidding. Too broke though. Actually, really, $200 for an old jumper? Srsly, OXFAM or Salvation Army or whatever.

Missoni, Shmissoni

Oh shit, I just remembered. 90s emo. Lock thread.

i never forgot

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oAgX7ePyL._SL500_.jpg

Another wussy.

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I'll say this much for sweaters: they're not terribly durable as a shell material. I don't think I've a single sweater that doesn't have a snagged thread unravelling somewhere from bark/brush or simply leaning against a brick wall.

Just re-bought an LL Bean sweater that has been a staple of my winter-wear ever since Pancakes Hackman mentioned them upthread. But for the first time, I noticed this blurb on their website.

This versatile wardrobe essential is destined to be the hardest working sweater in your wardrobe – wear it on its own or layer it over a tee or button-down for midweight warmth and classic style.

Can a sweater be worn on its own? It has never occurred to me not to layer them.

girls do it all the time

not this one
gross

I'd wear a fine merino or soft cotton jumper without anything under it.

i walked by noam chomsky a few months ago (he smiled and said "hello") and he had on that rad chunky grayish blue crew neck he always wears. i'd love to have that same sweater.

https://dalenorgedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/tumblr_lum3lsjnjc1qgjw0po1_500.png

^connoisseur of fuzz

Meanwhile, Paul Weller

https://realstarsarerare.com/shop/knitwear

http://realstarsarerare.com/resize/files/grey%20navy%20star%20knit_360x455-1589d4.jpg

Wuss.
http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/ro64h.7c5ab/v/vspfiles/photos/925112-2.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2m6ivJNtl1qfo1o9o7_250.gif

I wear a sweater on its own and I take "on it own" quite literally

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I didn't mean to just image bomb that Audrey Horne gif. Meant to add that sweaters on their own were a good look for Gloria Grahame, Lana Turner, Ann-Margret and many more (and obviously influenced Mr. Lynch.) Still a good look imo.

agl isn't gonna keep those sweaters from smelling like armpits within a few wearings

More Wussy overkill.

wearing a sweater over a shirt always seems like a waste of a good shirt to me.

Oh shit, I just remembered. 90s emo. Lock thread.

― burt_stanton, Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:16 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some dudes I know conjured up a fake emo band called October's Broken Sweater for general joke-making.

Call it The October Broken Sweater Project and you've got a hit.

Damn my own joke for sending me down a youtube k-hole.