This is a Thread for ILXORS IN THEIR 20s!11!!!!!!!

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>:O

I get to be here for 11 months and counting.

I'll still have 10 months of my 20s left. What sort of crazy shit should I do while I'm still young?

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You could try starting a thread where you post vintage b&w photos and then write captions underneath that are in the first person of the person in the photo.

Sounds karr-razzy!!

start a twitter feed so we know exactly when you post on ilx

I have been *in* my 20s for precisely 10 months. Overrated if you ask me. Maybe 21 is the true milestone.....

I have four years and two months left!

In my lol20s

YEAHHHHHH!! WOOOO!!!!

http://naffoundation.org/Ancient_Greek_avg_life_expectancy.jpg

I'm still trustable for three more months.

so who wants to talk about pogs? Alf? ummmm.. neon colours?

90s NICKELODION

how about grateful dead tshirts worn by loads of kids who had no fucking clue who they were

guy i used to work with sold a synth to one of the grateful dead without knowing who they were

I have only seen deadhead kids in tie dye, why would anyone put on a tacky-ass GD shirt without knowing who they were? perhaps bear/skull/rose lovers. hmm.

deeznuts are you the guy whose dad owns a tie-dye shirt company?

huh?? maybe it was just my school or something but there were loads of 'em in the late '90s jr high & above

hi dere

20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20

You guys are old.

u bastard

is J really only 20?

hey can you guys keep it down over here? I'm trying to watch McNeil Newshour.

Boring, put Mathnet back on.

hey whats the deal with these guys in their stripey shirts and asymmetrical haircuts and girl jeans amirite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPJ1wNqBb8

I am a little sad that I'm not in my 20s anymore and therefore shouldn't really post here. Enjoy your youth while you still can! ;-)

yeah deez

can't wait to revive the ILXors in their 50's thread in 30 years

24 in almost less than a month!

22 a couple weeks ago imo

is that a matter of opinion?

25 years on my way to hell here

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i remember when i was one of the youngest ILX posters. this thread is making me feel old and I'm only 27.

hi 27 here too

woot 27

I'm 23, I'm still good to go for a few more years surely?

hey whats the deal with these guys in their stripey shirts and asymmetrical haircuts and girl jeans amirite

I was one of the last holdouts for kikwear and visors.

24 duh

Im gonna be 29 in a month. Should I be posting in the other thread?

I'm 25 now but will I live to be 24
The way things are going I don't know

I am 28, so practically belong on the 30's thread.

<3 xp

i'm 22, soon 23, feel like 17 or 18 and definitely not enjoying my 20s like i should.

People who get a university degree and then go on to spend the rest of their lives working as office temps or video store employees or whatever

i am a businesswoman

ROARING TWENTIES

get into it!

25, having midlife crisis

i maintain that i am 26 mentally

That thread DG posted is the most depressing thing on ILX. Actually, has anyone else noticed ILX is going through a bit of a depressed phase this last few weeks or is it just me?

seasonal affective disorder all year round now

that thread was quite entertaining i thought

it was entertaining, but it was depressing.

my 20s are buggin me out tbh.

aw, don't let them!

sometimes i feel like i'm already in my thirties.

This was a good thread in which everyone stated their age.

Maybe if I am lucky I'll have my Bachelors by 30.

know the feeling. i sure won't.

decades are dumb

20s oscillate wildly between euphoria and despair. tonight I sang nat king cole to a bottle of beer.

I've only got 1.75 yrs left : )

then i'm done w/this fukking thred : )

i only have 5.25 years left so i am not in a hurry to post on this thread

just under 2.5 here

20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:40 PM (11 months ago)

just over 3.5

I am working on my second 20s

im 21 now, it makes 20s a bit cooler

23 this weekend.

a nice prime number!

At what age exactly is Bubble Tape no longer "for me"?

Is it 30?

25 WAT WAT

23 ~

24-ish

i'm 24! 1985!

22

two little ducks

we joined ilx within 4 days of each other
the mods all said we could be sister and brother
his name was ti-ar-nan
ti-ar-nan

I'm really looking forward to being 3^3 next year. It's gonna be wicked!

NINETEEN EIGHTY ONE YA FUCKASSES

whoa yeah 3^3 does sound exciting. i like being 4! and i'm really trying to make the most of it because almost no one reaches 5!

Look everyone just chill out and have a
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2680/8341y.jpg

can I have box wine instead

NO, that's for your fucking 30's.

Sparks/box wine cocktail

30 in october next year!

you'll probably not attend your own birthday party again

28 since july, but i honestly feel like someone's playing tricks cos i was definitely only 27 for a few months at most

22!

I'm 27. Life is good.

still alive

26 in a little under two weeks, despite my strenuous objections :(

14 months until I hit 30. could be worse!

24, 25 in october....don't know how i feel about this decade of living.

19. Less than two months. :( I don't want to be old

22, awwwwww yeah! my last year of being a really poor college student eating sriracha on noodles/pizza every night. well, actually only one of those things will change in the coming year.

I'm 27. Life is good.

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me 'n' snurb, two peas in a pod

lol snurb

do y'all ever get this thing where like, you feel like you're already a year older? say i'm 27, but i started thinking like i'm 28 already, so by the time my birthday rolls around, i'll feel like i'm turning 29. maybe i'm just weird.

but i can guarantee i'll feel cheated when i find out 'oopsie, i'm just 28!'

can't believe i'm gonna be 30 in... SHIT like less than 5 months

still feel like i'm 18 most days

still feel like i'm 18 most days

That won't necessarily change once you hit 30.

yeah that's what i fear

fwiw you don't seem almost 30 to me <3

Justine - I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing!

I know posting xkcd on ILX is like putting yr dick in a blender while someone else is controlling the "on" switch but this is pretty damn otm:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lease.png

yeah but i feel 18 in a bad way - not lol carefree party spirit whole life ahead of me, but rather don'thavemyshittogether and stillworkingshittyboringawfuljobwithnoprospects

lol @ that comic

i think you have quite a bit of shit together!!!!
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25 is comin' up around the bend (five wks from tomorrow)

thank u tza!

Ha, been feelin the same way, Justine. I'm actually kicking around the idea of going back to (GULP) college!

19. Less than two months. :( I don't want to be old

you got years to be old, son, put off that talk 'til Katie Couric says at your age you need to start getting colonoscopies

What Is It About 20-Somethings?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/magazine/22Adulthood-t.html

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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/08/22/fashion/22adulthood-2/22adulthood-2-popup.jpg

still in this club fwiw

there's always this element of those stories where some kid is like "they were only gonna offer me 35k out of college and it wasn't my dream job so now i live with my parents"

spoiled, entitled baby boomer generation raises even more spoiled, entitled generation of fuckups, film at 11

lol grandpa whiney

a) NYT trend pieces are ridiculous, b) bad economy + putting off family starting longer + longer lifespan = takes longer to grow up -- i don't think it's a spoiled, entitled thing

why are people complaining, this is clearly only a victory for rock 'n' roll

Jonathan
Boston
August 18th, 2010
11:58 am
My lord, NYT. What, are you guys just gonna run a "What's wrong with the kids these days?" piece every couple of weeks now or something?

Here's the problem: You, the old people, have spent the last 20-30 years corrupting the political system and bankrupting the economy. You lived the high life, and now we're saddled with your debt and your broken government. You left us high and dry, we're just doing the best we can.
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anyway, not to get all srs thread but i worry a lot about sustained adolescence. my dad was two years younger than me when he had his first kid. i still play madden 11. sometimes i feel like i'm twelve.

this article is going to drive me to murder to i'm not going to read it

Jonathan otm, except that we're gonna fuck shit up for our kids too and they'll be posting the same comments on NYT dumbass trend pieces when our generation are the ones publishing/writing them.

Forty percent move back home with their parents at least once.

we forced our dad to move out tbh

I don't know, man. Bad economy sure, but so many twentysomethings are scared to shovel shit because they grew up thinking they were gonna be astronauts and movie directors by overbearing boomer parents.

I never understood the "i'm overqualified for my job so I do NOTHING" mentality in a lot of twentysomethings I know when it should be "i'm overqualified for my job, so I do a job I hate and steadily work my way up through the ranks"

lol, maybe in Williamsburg but this is a general trend throughout the country. I think most of us twenty-somethings are trying to figure out how to make our lives work and aren't holding out to be astronauts.

if the NYT still exists by the time I'm in my 40s, I will consider my generation a failure

I know 0 twentysomethings who act like u describe

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whiney the problem is not that people are scared to shovel shit, the problem is that nobody can even get a job shoveling shit anymore.

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yeah, i mean that attitude very may well be a New York thing

I mean go look at the unemployment thread ffs

working a job you hate fucking sucks, especially when hard work doesn't always equal a promotion.

all my twenty-something friends fit this profile (waiting longer to get married, to get established) and all are looking for (and sometimes finding) work in fairly mundane unglamorous fields. one friend is doing secretarial work for an environmental NP, one is looking for work in education (where I eventually found a job), one is interviewing to be a school librarian, a bunch are returning to grad school -- btw, these are all college/grad school educated people. no one is holding out for something super glamorous.

Tom
USA
August 18th, 2010
1:01 pm
Obama's economy......
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This is who we are now, and the circumstances are largely beyond our control. It sucks. I consider it a serious victory that I'm the only person I know who hasn't had to live at home since college.

I wonder how the DINKs phenomenon plays into this. That certainly seems like a social group that arrested a serious milestone towards adulthood.

tbh if my parents didn't live out in the middle of the woods it would have been a LOT easier to see moving home as a viable transitory step when I was in my 20s

I don't know, man. Bad economy sure, but so many twentysomethings are scared to shovel shit because they grew up thinking they were gonna be astronauts and movie directors by overbearing boomer parents.

lol u really are the "ppl on welfare just dont want to work" of 20sthm college kids. "its not that dont believe there are complex social and economic factors effecting things, kids, its just i mostly think your all a bunch of lazy complainers"

it's not even just about employment (being financially independent was only one of the five milestones). it's also about marriage, moving out, children, and completing school. At least two of those (marriage + children) have nothing to do with laziness (well, maybe something to do, but probably not much).

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lol @ twentysomethings are lazy because Barack Obama

Also it makes total sense to me that it takes longer to be an "adult" when we're living 90 years.

Yeah Mordy already kinda touched on this, but the other day I realized that my parents were married by the time they were my age. My Dad already had the job he still has, 20 years worth of promotions notwithstanding. That freaks me out a little bit.

lol u really are the "ppl on welfare just dont want to work" of 20sthm college kids. "its not that dont believe there are complex social and economic factors effecting things, kids, its just i mostly think your all a bunch of lazy complainers"

Because people on welfare were generally dealt a shitty card in life thanks to institutionalized racism and/or classism and their insidious trickle down into the job market, schools and legal system.

I'm talking about white, college-educated people who were given every chance in life and I knew ppl like this WELL before the economy tanked.

I wish i could remember that article where all the ppl were complaining that the new crop of interns won't do like simple tasks because they don't want to

Man, interning is the biggest con-job ever.

every1 chill out and let's go swimming

:)

i'm interested in the marriage + children part of this

do u guys feel chillwave bands are the artistic representation of this sociological phenomenon?

only bcuz those two things don't factor into my own life

permanent stoner adolescence, totally xp

Because people on welfare were generally dealt a shitty card in life thanks to institutionalized racism and/or classism and their insidious trickle down into the job market, schools and legal system.

I'm talking about white, college-educated people who were given every chance in life and I knew ppl like this WELL before the economy tanked.

I wish i could remember that article where all the ppl were complaining that the new crop of interns won't do like simple tasks because they don't want to

― i think i can beat my dyson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

<blockquote> Average starting salaries are down, and employers plan to make only 5 percent more job offers to new graduates this spring compared to last spring, when job offers were down 20 percent from 2008 levels, according to a study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, which tracks recruitment data.</blockquote>

it's kinda nice they're talking about us like we're a new social phenomenon and haven't just regulated us to being a new lost generation. even tho the latter is probably more true (esp economically)

do u guys feel chillwave bands are the artistic representation of this sociological phenomenon?

― Mordy, Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:40 PM (1 minute ago)

should have taken an internship with you

whiney how many people in their 20s do you actually know who either arent looking for jobs or have had jobs offered and turned them down? do you think those people would have acted differently if it were the 1980s or 1970s or 1950s or 1880s?

i'm looking for an intern to straighten out around my apartment and cook me dinner

do u guys feel chillwave bands are the artistic representation of this sociological phenomenon?

― Mordy, Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:40 PM (1 minute ago)

lol this was a joke right

1980s: they would have been too coked out to work
1970s: they would have been too high on pot to work
1950s: they would have been too drunk to work
1880s: they would have been too strung out on opiates to work

1860s: get your war on

xxxp - I sure as hell hope so.

FYI ppl this feeling of sustained adolescence doesn't necessarily go away once you're out of your 20s.

otm

lol crut, of course

The traditional cycle seems to have gone off course, as young people remain un tethered to romantic partners or to permanent homes, going back to school for lack of better options, traveling, avoiding commitments, competing ferociously for unpaid internships or temporary (and often grueling) Teach for America jobs, forestalling the beginning of adult life.

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Because people on welfare were generally dealt a shitty card in life thanks to institutionalized racism and/or classism and their insidious trickle down into the job market, schools and legal system.

I'm talking about white, college-educated people who were given every chance in life and I knew ppl like this WELL before the economy tanked.

lol i guess if you "know ppl like this" than thats that huh? your such a fucking retard seriously

whiney how many people in their 20s do you actually know who either arent looking for jobs or have had jobs offered and turned them down? do you think those people would have acted differently if it were the 1980s or 1970s or 1950s or 1880s?

― max, Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Here's one: http://gawker.com/5581481/being-young-and-unemployed-sure-is-trendy

whiney's been on a real "the kids these days!" kick lately, not sure if this is new or if I just never noticed it before. anyways as the young people say nowadays it's "NAGL"

how is doing Teach for America not being an adult, is what I would like to know

dude who plays in a chillwave band schooling me on the societal pressures of perpetual adolescence. Get fucked, Lamp.

It's definitely putting off some of the "milestones" of adulthood. Finding a permanent residence, starting a career, marriage, etc. xp

Here's one: http://gawker.com/5581481/being-young-and-unemployed-sure-is-trendy

― i think i can beat my dyson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:48 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok so weve got 1 person in support of your theory

what about that kid who blogs for the awl about not being able to find a writing job -- i bet he counts

sounds like a case for .... DR. WHINEY

FYI ppl this feeling of sustained adolescence doesn't necessarily go away once you're out of your 20s.

― o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:47 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

would c + p this one million times but u get the idea

Ok, I can we can agree that outside the group of people that live in Brooklyn and read Gawker, Whiney's description of 20-somethings today isn't particularly all-encompassing or accurate.

no, because whineys description of 20somethings isnt accurate for people who live in brooklyn either

or frankly for people who read gawker the vast majority of whom have paying jobs at which they read gawker

As of this year I am too old to be on this thread, but I often find myself thinking how my parents had me "late" for health reasons, and they were several years older than my schoolfriends' parents. They were 2 years older than I am now. I very much do not feel like my life is sorted out enough to add kids to the mix.

Maybe nobody ever did, but then why are so many other people having kids later and later - are we just getting more neurotic about how things have to be perfect before having kids, how we have to have massive financial buffers to buy them whatever their friends or the NYT might declare essential to a perfect childhood? Eh.

hahaha dude whiney wait did you just deflect criticism of your criticism of a nyt trend piece by linking to an nyt trendpiece

well, idk. i'm not a brooklyn ethnographer. but entitled spoiled brats who refuse to get a job is definitely the contemporary cultural cliche (why is hipster derogatory thread i'm sure covers this ground sufficiently). but like, who cares? most of us don't live in brooklyn and live in a world where our friends + colleagues aren't entitled spoiled brats.

again, i will say that my ADMITTEDLY VERY THIN and ANECDOTAL findings on the subject are very NYC-centric, so it's not exactly an argument w/o many many many many holes.

Maybe nobody ever did, but then why are so many other people having kids later and later - are we just getting more neurotic about how things have to be perfect before having kids, how we have to have massive financial buffers to buy them whatever their friends or the NYT might declare essential to a perfect childhood? Eh.

― vampire headphase (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:52 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

or it could be that in the absence of massive societal pressure to have kids earlier and in the presence of advances in medicine and nutrition that allow humans to live longer people just prefer to have kids later on in their lives

It's definitely putting off some of the "milestones" of adulthood. Finding a permanent residence, starting a career, marriage, etc. xp

That argument presumes a lot of things about why people are interested in Teach for America though; casting something that is in essence volunteer service to the country as an immature placeholder to put off finding a real job seem like the move of a total fuckfaced ratdick.

xp to spacecadet, there's a lot of studies about how child rates go significantly down in certain "advanced" economic/social geographies.

And probably most of you have a more "glass half full" take on society in general, so sorry i'm being such a crank about it. I'm gonna step down now.

we could put whiney's argument to the test if we can find brooklyn 20-somethings that are too lazy to fill the holes in whiney's argument

lol, i'm definitely glass half empty, i just ascribe society stuff to immutable historical/social/economic conditions and not to internal conscious states (since i'm basically it turns out a determinist).

haha dude I think society should die

I just also think you're kind of wrong, or rather your social circle might be skewing your interpretation of what's happening

whiney this is what you get for rolling with creatively bankrupt post-anco chillwave bands whose names are just 80s ephemera

I'm def not saying I couldn't be wrong.

you are wrong

just admit it

dude who plays in a chillwave band schooling me on the societal pressures of perpetual adolescence. Get fucked, Lamp.

im well aware that making a career of writing captions for photos of other ppl's pets makes you way more qualified to post about "perpetual adolescence" but you keep doing this thing where your personal experiences are the only worthwhile criteria to judge if somethings true. like forget the incredible increase in the cost of college tuition over the last decade or stagnant real wages or the replacement of 35K a year entry-level positions w/ unpaid internships - you know or read on gawker about some lazy white kid in brooklyn, once.

It could also be that Whiney is right that people in their 20s are more 'selfish' and 'self-centered' today, but that doesn't answer any questions since you then have to ask why they're that way, and then you come back to the economic/social stuff that you might as well have started with in the first place.

where will these kids hear the beatles if they are out on interviews?

how is your chillwave band going btw lamp

people IN GENERAL are no lazier now than they've been before, but the standard of living and available jobs have jumped to the point where occupations that would have been "prestige positions" 20 years ago are now "baseline acceptable" and, if anything, there are fewer of them, and the academic requirements to get them keep going up

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_J6bFVALZKDs/SvEdgK6iu3I/AAAAAAAACJY/tAmFuZx-v3Y/s400/jack+black+nacho+libre.jpg

would listen to lamps band

Maybe nobody ever did, but then why are so many other people having kids later and later - are we just getting more neurotic about how things have to be perfect before having kids, how we have to have massive financial buffers to buy them whatever their friends or the NYT might declare essential to a perfect childhood? Eh.

As a 40 year old parent of a 1 year old, I can say you and Max are 100% correct on both assumptions (health & finances). Plus, I can't lie - extending your adolesence throughout your 30's is pretty damn fun. That said, I'm afraid the widening generation gap will take it's toll in about 15 years. I try not to think about it tbh.

hey markers, i'm looking for an intern. it's unpaid but maybe i can hook u up with some college credits. intrsting?

it's not even just about employment (being financially independent was only one of the five milestones). it's also about marriage, moving out, children, and completing school. At least two of those (marriage + children) have nothing to do with laziness (well, maybe something to do, but probably not much).

― Mordy, Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:28 PM (14 minutes ago)

since when are children + marriage milestones of growing up. actual fuck yous on that 1.

good call

u're an idiot plax. i was quoting the article. u know, the one we're discussing.

also: reevaluating growing up to not include milestones like children + marriage is maybe exactly the point here. robojesus fuck.

that is not max

o u said plax

carry on

thread delivers

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^ plax, "a confirmed old bachelor, and likely to remain so"

i was kindof taking issue w/ the article but mmkay?

mmkay.

it definitely sounded like you were saying fuck you to mordy

robojesus fuck

saying fuck you to the idea that these are the standards by which 1 *grows up*

btw, if historically sociologists notice that marriage/children are a part of many people's experience of becoming adults, and that starts getting put off later and later, then yeah, that's a trend worth noticing maybe. ohmygod i don't even know what i'm writing anymore, this is such a ridiculous point of contention. you realize "adult" is just a socially determined term, right? there's no platonic ideal of "growing up" that does or doesn't include marriage?

that is a pretty high concept "fuck you"

HALLO EVERYONE

I think mariah carey should be in "the canon"

guys don't make me post an xkcd in here cause i will fucking do it

this is one of those clusterfucks where no one is actually making an argument, right?

yup

it's like the politics thread where people argue points that no one has made

awesome, i tried to read that nyt piece but it was like a development psych snoozefest

i had the speech funct on my laptop read it to me, but i am lazy i guess.

I have a speech function on my laptop but it's overqualified so I just read xkcd instead

summary: whiney claimed that people were just too lazy these days and need to learn the value of a hard day of work, other people called that silly. then plax got offended that some people consider marriage + children milestones of becoming an adult.

still offended

btw, not telling people to fuck off when you disagree with their opinions on the interwebs might also be a milestone of growing up

lol i'm just shocked that whiney would take that position.

guys i am 27, not married and don't have kids and work a shitty job

why is my life so off-track

not getting really offended by people telling you to fuck off might be another

idk is saying that a milestone of growing up involves privileges blocked from partic. minorities really an *opinion*

lol, i'm so offended

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FwcrBs4NAnU/Sx_XYemU7wI/AAAAAAAAAOc/hS5se2O7oPk/s320/grow+up.gif

plax, i'm pretty sure "marriage" in this context doesn't mean the ceremony under the chuppah but more the sociological phenomenon of making a lifelong commitment to someone, something everyone currently has the privilege of doing.

not getting really offended by people telling you to fuck off might be another

okay that is just flat-out retarded

like, it's the same logic as saying "why should a minority be offended if he/she is referred to by a slur, it's just words"

you have to learn to play bass guitar to grow up in my opinion. sorry 2 deafblinds

plax, i'm pretty sure "marriage" in this context doesn't mean the ceremony under the chuppah but more the sociological phenomenon of making a lifelong commitment to someone, something everyone currently has the privilege of doing.

― Mordy, Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:20 PM (7 seconds ago)

pretty narrow context there. i mean you're the one saying "lol this only applies to like wsburg" but i mean, i think i kindof care less abt the institution of marriage than the forces of ~homo/trans- phobia~ for eg. that might make it pretty impossible for some people to "make lifelong commitments" to whoever they want.

I will be stunned if this thread hasn't been locked by the time I get home from work tonight. I mean I'd weigh in with my own two cents, being a 20something who just graduated in May, but what is the point?

I think plax is pretty much 100% correct in saying that calling out marriage as a sign of adulthood in this article is basically saying that not only don't gay couples count, but that they are actually some symptom of repressed development.

"people are getting married & having kids later" is a worthwhile observation but when you characterize the phenomenon as aberrant and troublesome, yeah, that raises some issues -- like assuming that "grown up" means "homeowner / spouse / parent" and not "self-sufficient responsible person"

btw if u rent a place to live you are a goddamn child, grow up and buy a house already

i think the nyt should investigate how 20 somethings with diaper fetishes fit into this phenomenon

btw, NYT wasn't characterizing any of these phenomena as aberrant or troublesome. in fact i thought it did a good job of contextualizing them as an interesting cultural development and not as some "kids these days suck" argument

I am so, so sick of being expected to live out other peoples' ideals.

not getting really offended by people telling you to fuck off might be another

okay that is just flat-out retarded

like, it's the same logic as saying "why should a minority be offended if he/she is referred to by a slur, it's just words"

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haha that was a dig at mordy not at plax

NO REGRETS
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/grownups.png

We have all found time to get involved in an ILX discussion that is neither enlightening nor going anywhere. That seems like a reasonable criterion for "not grown up yet".

i don't know, if your article isn't going to talk in detail about the shit lamp mentioned (student loan debt, decline in real wages, unpaid internships) then fuck an "interesting cultural development" imo

the corrollary of most of these these things that constitute *adulthood* become *consumer* i think.
culture of homeownership is pretty anglophonic in gen.

mordy it absolutely characterizes it as aberrant -- or did you miss the "WHY IS IT TAKING THEM SO LONG TO GROW UP" lede?

"when I was your age I was already grown up"

hello ILXORS in their 20s, hope you;re all having fun lives!

okay i am not touching this one

"The 20s are a black box"

can someone translate this line from the article for me

muff shaving no longer fashionable among dark-haired 20somethings

when the world explodes and the aliens find our corpses they will look at the young and nubile ones to determine what we were, what we meant and how we came to perish

because i'm pretty sure that the author does not mean that one's 20s are unobservable, or that they record flight data

xp lol

how are our corpses gonna withstand an explosion

the explosion is metaphorical, probably the apocalypse will be a simple case of not having kids later and later until there are no kids at all

oh sorry, the 20s are apparently a black box with "a lot of churning going on in there"

ew

maybe it's, like, a black box theatre, man

they mean we ride on time

it's a mumblecore world, we just wander around aimlessly in it

a. green
vermont
August 18th, 2010
3:58 pm
Their oh-so politically-correct parents have so sanitized their worlds, that they can't take initiaitve and succeed on their own when they are forced to face reality
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Yep, that's definitely the problem with my generation. We're too PC, polite and demure.

Fathers are all Jim Backus from Rebel w/o a Cause maaan.

Cathy
Colorado
August 18th, 2010
10:56 am
I watch "Mad Men" and its 20-somethings wear suit and ties, have steady jobs and are married. You know, like it used to be in the 50s, 60s, 70s and even 80s. I have no idea why today's 20-somethings won't grow up, but it does not bode well for the future of this country.

I read that as 'have seedy jobs' and it still made sense.

That doesn't make any sense. Lots of modern 20-somethings wear suits and ties, have steady jobs, and are married.

gay marriage not legally recognized yet tho

Lisa
California
August 18th, 2010
1:01 pm
As a 20-something who was blessed to have parents who paid for my entire college education, has a steady job in a recession-proof industry making 60k a year, I still can NOT afford to live away from my parents in housing I find adequate and in my budget. If I have to make the decision to stay home with my parents for free and have the ability to travel the globe, or live in a dump, floundering under the costs of rent, utilities, car payments, and insurance, what do you think I'm going to choose?

A+ troll

lol

lol some guy making twice what i make lives with his parents.

oh, some dame, excuse me.

w/ no student loans

gotta be a troll I mean really

Doug Helferich
New York, NY
August 18th, 2010
3:45 pm
As I look out over the southern tip of Manhattan, with MSG and the Statue of Liberty in sight from my 31st story apartment after I get home from the job I love that I secured with no help from my parents' connections, I can't help but wonder, in the words of the Talking Heads, how did I get here?

I'm 22, and I've worked hard to play the hand I've been dealt. My parents have helped me along the way (especially, I have to admit, financially), but I took the responsibility of finding what I wanted to do and getting to that point as quick as I could. However, many of my peers haven't been as lucky in the job market due to the recession (though you'd be surprised at how many have). Finding yourself and taking personal responsibility for the life you want to lead are two different things.

On on hand, I'm frustrated by this article's lack of significant mention of the poor job prospects my generation faces (no thanks to everyone older than us; I'll buy a house when and only when I can actually afford it). On the other, I've been frustrated for years seeing my classmates blame their failures on external sources. Not that everything is an internal failure, but if you want to make stuff happen, you do what you have to do to make it happen. If you don't know what you want, you try stuff till you figure it out. I don't have an overall thesis here, but I want people to know that not everyone my age is living on their parents' dime (well, not anymore), and those that are trying to do that have overcome significant odds. What this country needs is not more people waiting for their dream job offer to magically appear, but more that are willing to take it upon themselves to create their own life.

manhattan version of whiney

Wonder what Doug Heffernan would say about this schlub.

if you want to make stuff happen, you do what you have to do to make it happen

i wonder what his views on rape are

http://younoodle.com/people/doug_helferich

btw if u rent a place to live you are a goddamn child, grow up and buy a house already

W. C. Fields to thread!

http://static.younoodle.com/pictures/d6/88/82/show_49cfde2d8879f2_17312842.jpg

What this country needs is not more people waiting for their dream job offer to magically appear, but more that are willing to take it upon themselves to create their own life.

i wonder what his views on rape are

duke '10

gregor
california
August 18th, 2010
3:56 pm
I'm in my forties, but from my experience with hipsters (mostly white and asian), a lot of this is ideological and what I would call revolutionary. The ones I talk to on a regular basis (they hang out at urban and suburban coffee shops, bars, and especially bike shops) definately know what they are doing; they are rebelling against and redefining the american Dream. They reject cars in favor of bicycles. They reject voting in favor of not participating. Many are starting to reject cell phones in favor of hanging out and talking. Some of their heroes are 19th century athletes and writers as well as beat generation figures. They know Thoreau. Very few watch television. They do not desire a life of conspicuous consumtion, other than boutique clothes and high end fixed-gear track bikes. From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.

love this dude

From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.
From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.
From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.
From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.
From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.
From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.
From my perspective they are quite aware, and I wish them the very best of luck.

can anyone here name a 19th century athlete?

They reject voting in favor of not participating.

Hmm.

can anyone here name a 19th century athlete?

Le Petomane

what is that referring to, really? like I have absolutely no idea. the negro leagues becoming hip maybe?

not voting is like totally revolutionary dude.

in my head this guy has a british accent

Le Petomane

The only man worthy of the name.

I'll be fucking proud to never adhere to what this article considers maturity.

Yaakov Charles Schwartz
East Coast of Japan
August 18th, 2023
3:45 pm
Your like 30 and your spending you're time complaining about video games on a forum full of other 30 yr olds and sprinkled with the occasional gay teen. Guess what I'm gonna be doing when I'm 30. Let's just say first I'll get up out of a 5000$ bed in my waterside mansion on the east coast of japan, awoken by the light of the rising sun that glorious island is nicknamed after. I'll gently lift myself out of bed so as not to stir my beautiful eastern european pale skin dark hair small boobs wife and go to my huge walk in closet. I'll come back out moments later wearing a really expensive italian suit. Strolling down the corridor I come into a room with glass cases full of the trophies of my achievements. I proudly look at all of them and then move into the next room, it's the room with a wall-sized HD display and walls upon walls of DVDs, mostly Anime but with a few Western classics throuwn in there. Jealous yet? Next I move into the kitchen and have my servant make me a breakfast, its usually pancakes with chocolate chips and whipped cream, but today... lets go healthy. Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. Now I'm strolling into the living room about to make for the door so I can go out and enjoy my day at Comiket, but in the corner there I see something. I walk over by the 5000 dollar gaming rig, its turned off for now but later tonight I'll be playing Prostitute Farm Online, max settings and DirectX12. I begin to turn and make for the door again but then i stop and look at the black monitor screen (no less than 40 inches, btw). I just laugh. And laugh and laugh. I'm laughing because the guy who was 30 when I was a 17 year old pathetic yix poster is still a yix poster, meanwhile, I'm living the literal dream. All because I shoot for the top. Deal with it, bitch. YCS.

MAX SETTINGS AND DIRECTX12

so beautiful, this phrase

I just want max settings and DirectX 12 for my girls.

I hope someday to be some kid's "funny uncle"

maybe because I'm gay, or autistic, or just hate other people, or have a live-in partner, or some other thing

but really, because I want to live a queer lifestyle -- despite really only being sexually into women (not ashamed by that!) and hate heteronormativity and the idealization of the 50s nuclear family suburban clusterfuck

it'll have to be to a friend's kids I am uncle to, since my sister probably isn't going to procreate, what with the autoimmune issues

I am only 20 until next april, and feel more set in my ways and secure by the week and love it

I'm still mutable in most ways, though

(no thanks to everyone older than us; I'll buy a house when and only when I can actually afford it).

Seeing this kind of thinking, so beautifully condensed into just one sentence, couched in a "I'm a self-made man" and "people are too entitled imo" paragraph is really something.

*"people think they're entitled to everything imo"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/1896_Baltimore_Orioles.jpg/800px-1896_Baltimore_Orioles.jpg

I meant 20s, not 20 obv

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious.

so i read this whole article and aside from the massive blindspot about the recession its pretty evenhanded and not awful

I will be living the literal dream

1969 "hippies are lazy, they just want to play rock music all day long why don't they just get a job"

2010: "hipsters are lazy, they just want to go on the youtube why don't..."

I hope someday to be some kid's "funny uncle"

Wait, I thought this was a euphemism for 'guy who molests his relative's kids.'

the corrollary of most of these these things that constitute *adulthood* become *consumer* i think.
culture of homeownership is pretty anglophonic in gen.

― plax (ico), Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:34 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

I think this is a v. interesting point and captures the underlying eventuality that when america goes down the toilet in the next 20 years the dominant narrative will be "oh these kids just didn't want to work & advance the country" instead of "our government fucked up massively and didn't plan for the long-term"

also don't see the big deal with a slowdown in marriage & kids because we can just let immigrants pick up the slack oh wait

also I don't really get the whole stigma against living with your parents

I think a few of these "milestones" predate capitalist consumerism tbh.

also I don't really get the whole stigma against living with your parents

It's only a few decades old.

can anyone here name a 19th century athlete?

Just baseball players: Cy Young, Cap Anson, Jim O'Rourke, Pud Galvin, Ed Delahanty, Wee Willie Keeler, etc.

stfu jim o rourke is that guy from sonic youth

so i read this whole article and aside from the massive blindspot about the recession its pretty evenhanded and not awful

Yeah, I was actually pleasantly surprised that the article acknowledged twentysomethings across the socioeconomic spectrum, not just white college-educated Brooklynites.

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious.

This cannot be repeated enough, btw.

picturing the servant actually eating the apples for this dude, and them informing him how delicious

pale skin dark hair small boobs wife

man of my dreams, and clearly I am the woman of his.

there were a few points raised in the article that I appreciated, especially the neurological development angle. however i was just annoyed at the way the article presented "emerging adulthood" as just another developmental stage to pass through before the 20-something kids finally actually grow up. as opposed to investigating the assumptions of normative 'adulthood.'

they did kinda point out that it's not just another stage if 90% of the world doesn't pass through it, although that was done in the context of what seemed like a kind of pointless discussion about the meaning of "developmental stage" as a term of art.

oh wait, i'm supposed to be working on my phd. laters.

^ classic 'in your twenties' signoff ^

They do not desire a life of conspicuous consumtion, other than boutique clothes and high end fixed-gear track bikes.

I lived with my parents for a few months last year when I quickly exited from a relationship and took a while to find housing. Does that put me in that group?

not committing to a relationship/avoiding marriage = yes, you're in that (our) group

oh, I broke off an engagement because she was fucking crazy and it wasn't good for me. then I bought a house. I feel more "adult" imo

i only got to post on this thread once before i turned thirty :(

I never got to post on ILX while I was in my twenties. I wish I could have posted to ILX at least once before it started.

24, married, job as a teacher, livin the nyt dream

I could have posted to ILM in my 20s (Jeff was posting there then), but I think it was a message board for crazy Britney Spears fans so I steered clear.

thought not think duh

I firmly believe that I was posting to ILX in 2000 even though the first post from me is from mid-2001. I was 32 in 2000 and 33 in 2001.

The first post I can find, that is.

http://www.slate.com/id/2264542/

nyt piece never seems to leave my minifeed

nothing revelatory in the slate piece and like w/ the nyt, comments section more interesting than the piece

it is, indeed, not revelatory. The amount of psychobabble that this topic produces is funny and disheartening.

From the New York Magazine article:

Although, if you’re planning to take this parental approach, you’d better make damn sure you’ve got good taste. “I find myself arguing with dads about the music their kids like,” he says. “One guy was telling me his son was really into Wilco. And I was telling him that’s lame. Because Wilco is so over.”

I am still so boggled by the concept of music having some sort of expiration date.

i hope my parents read this article, because as it says in the slant piece, maybe they'll shut the fuck up about my 'not getting paid enough' and 'weird clothing' for like ten minutes.

All these stories treat these developments like they're new things, or sudden breaks with the recent past, and not as cultural or economic trends reaching their next logical conclusion or evolution.

the ny times story is pretty fair about that

But enough pontification, let us kick out the jams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8HMSf4O2FM

xpost -- it was, I just finished reading "Up With Grups" and that Slate thing and those are fresher in the mind.

For those who can't get enough of these types of articles:

http://www.frankfuredi.com/index.php/site/article/103/

i wouldn't trust frank furedi as far as i could throw him: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n13/jenny-turner/who-are-they

Although, if you’re planning to take this parental approach, you’d better make damn sure you’ve got good taste. “I find myself arguing with dads about the music their kids like,” he says. “One guy was telling me his son was really into Wilco. And I was telling him that’s lame. Because Wilco is so over.”

Okay, I'm calling bullshit on you, there's no way this wasn't taken from an Onion article where it was attributed to "area douchebag."

I'm young

Telephone thing: http://nymag.com/news/features/16529/index5.html

this is all up on the Today show right now.

I will no longer be applicable for this group come October.

o no don't do it man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyAyraIMh7E

2.5 years more

1.35 years :(

Better get a post in here, because this thread won't be for me in less than 3 months :(

why are you all worried, being in your thirties is probably cool, pretty sure it tastes like coffee

not worried at all!
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6hfzdVXUFgzA00xBWoNADeOzHAGYSdGG7P6e1p4DaFEf_RrDXOg

5 years 10 months left

so far i will say that my twenties have been way better than my teens, and i consider this trend to continue, with my thirties being better than my twenties, etc.

how long do you project that trend to continue

i should have just posted consider the likelihood that taylor swift will predecease you here for this is the vanguard which offers ilx the only hope of having a current poster survive long enough to post lolcats on taylor swift's rip thread

Ironically, the very same traits that make your 20s so painful and chaotic are the traits that make your 20s the most memorable time of your life. So much happens and you're riding the front edge of the wave from one minute to the next.

i have a low tolerance for pain and chaos, which is part of the reason i probably am "stalled" right now and haven't been able to take definitive steps toward my future... part of what i am trying to do not is to be more accepting of the difficulties i will face so they don't catch me off guard, as much. like, it sounds stupid, but i have been avoiding things like applying to ambitious jobs, i am realizing, out of a subconscious fear of the pain of rejection. that said, my vehement refusal to feel stressed has caused me to develop healthy habits like eating well and sleeping enough and going for long walks outside and it is for these reasons that i am going to outlive taylor swift.

*to do now, not to do not

hahahah YOOOO

good times

hey whats the deal with these guys in their stripey shirts and asymmetrical haircuts and girl jeans amirite

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:04 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am literally wearing a strpiey shirt and girl jeans rn wtf is wrong with me

haha!

one of my friends from high school bought a house or something not too too long ago

people are getting engaged and married

some have kids

i know this is all normal shit or w/e but i'm not taking it all normally

I'll be 40 next year, and it still amazes me when friends buy homes.

what about marriages or kids?

i can barely afford much

I have like $40

preach

if we pool our money maybe we can buy a few planks of wood

lol

you know what's cooler than $40

$50

i made $100 at a casino last week. maybe i should start gambling regularly.

intelligence should translate directly into wealth

i think a lot of ilxors would agree w/ me there

heist imo

if i knew in 2005 that i'd be posting to ilx and have a vanilla coke and this kid would have a house perhaps things would've turned out differently

when i was 22 and i had friends getting married/having kids i could sort of sneer it off (as you do) like "oh well i'm busy doing other things"

now that i'm older than my parents were when i showed up on earth, the clock on the wall sounds a little louder

still, this is a diff time/place/life, i'm a diff person, and markers is a diff person, and treeship is a diff person, than the folks who are doing things like getting married and having kids right now. they have one set of priorities, we all have our own.

I'm the same age my father was when I was 11.

man everytime i think about shit like that it's horrifying. i'm 28, my parents were 25+21 when they had me. aaahhhhhhh!!

http://techcitement.com/admin/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/arrested-development-logo.png

I love how I didn't even have to spell this out: I have no children, no partner, no money, no savings, no pension, no career, and (practically) no job.
So why do I feel like I'm doing better than all my peers from school who are sweating it out in white collar jobs to earn money to buy stuff they want to impress people they don't like and who probably hate them?

when i was 22 and i had friends getting married/having kids i could sort of sneer it off (as you do) like "oh well i'm busy doing other things"

now that i'm older than my parents were when i showed up on earth, the clock on the wall sounds a little louder

still, this is a diff time/place/life, i'm a diff person, and markers is a diff person, and treeship is a diff person, than the folks who are doing things like getting married and having kids right now. they have one set of priorities, we all have our own.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was recently looking through a photo album spanning the first four years of my life that my parents compiled really lovingly, with little documents and texts and stuff, and was almost brought to tears not from nostalgia but by how beautiful, young and happy they looked, thinking how sweet it must have been for them to just spend all their time hanging out with me, that i loved them so much and that they basically constituted my entire universe, answering all the questions i would ask about life. it really blew my mind, even thinking back on it now is overwhelming

time to hide someone else on fb

even the olds can probably empathize with that, markers

hahaha well

i'm not in the mood to hear about some people's success right now

petty attitude maybe but whatever

Neither their success nor my resentment of their success is defensible, both are the hallmarks of a disgusting savagery

if only we could all be failures

Then there's the other crowd: the 25-30 yr old 19 year olds.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/nov/22/magnus-carlsen-vishy-anand-chess

>>>>>> olds

Magnus completely owned Vishy

So I'm going to post here before it's too late. FOMO. Any others?