Favorite poster from NR's "The Corner"

No Derb, no credibility. Really, he's my favorite.

favorite ironically or actual favorite/least crazy?

aww thats too bad
he hasnt been posting lately i guess

favorite ironically or actual favorite/least crazy?

― ryan, Thursday, October 9, 2008 2:18 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there really is no 'least crazy'. i guess ramesh was anti-palin initially, but really, read some of his recent batshittiness

gotta be k-lo

if i wasnt lazy i would have GIS'd all of them and alphabetized the list
http://www.sadlyno.com/wordpress/uploads/2007/04/kathryn-jean-lopez.jpg

you ppl are masochists. life is too short.

FWIW [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Last night, someone on InTrade bet $140,000 that Obama will lose.

10/09 07:26 AM

Derbyshire is intelligent and articulate, if also homophobic and racist in some of his positions. He's not dumb, in any case.

Jonah Goldberg reminds me of Young Republicans I knew in college. Sometimes he's OK; sometimes he bugs me.

KJ Lopez is the worst as far as being like the co-worker who acts like the front page of the Drudge Report has given her a secret insider scoop.

Also:
http://www.nationalreview.com/images/corner_derbradio.gif

this shit is really annoying

Big Marriage Wins in the Making? [Maggie Gallagher]

Things are looking good for marriage amendments in California, Florida and Arizona.

California is the big surprise. After discouraging polls all summer, the latest CBS News/SurveyUSA Today poll shows Prop 8, the California marriage amendment, surging ahead 47 percent to 42 percent, with 10 percent undecided — that’s a ten point swing since the Yes on Prop 8 campaign ads started airing.

Younger voters are leading the swing against gay marriage, reports CBS News. Why? My best guess is: a lot of them are parents who don’t really want their schools teaching their 5 year olds about King and King (See the latest ad, at www.protectmarriage.com.)

BTW, Pepperdine’s is calling on the Yes on 8 campaign to stop identifying Prof. Richard Peterson as a Pepperdine Law School professor.

Meanwhile the Miami Herald is conceding that polls show the Florida marriage amendment commands a strong majority support.

Getting to 60 percent is a big hurdle, but the undecideds tend to break in favor of marriage amendments.

In Arizona the latest poll shows the marriage amendment is up 49 percent to 40 percent.

10/09 11:53 AM

lol i dunno about where you guys are from but around here 'durb' means bj

in h.s. symphonic band went to disneyworld and one of the percussionists got a mickey mouse hat with 'durb' written on it, lolz all around

gotta be steyn! he's hilarious crazy AND i'd drive my car right into him, so he's got the two sides of corner reading down cold

one of my fav k-lo posts was her saying american schools don't need to teach foreign languages since obama was able to go to germany and give a speech in english

UH

my real fav in terms of boiiing is still amy holmes, who i was surprised to learn recently was born in mogadishu!!

in terms of boiiing

meme

lol

The Big Five have mastered styles, like the charter members of the Legion of Doom

K-Lo: relentless cheerleader, Tracy Flick type.

Goldberg: Intellectual varnish applied to poorly recontextualized facts and hysteria

McCarthy: Legal polish " " " " " "

Lowry: Sober editor in chief with anal weakness for starbursts of light

Schiffren: Clueless bulldozer

ANOTHER PAUL WELLSTONE FUNERAL MOMENT? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Last night I whined about the Democratic-convention feel the Rosa Parks funeral seemed to have, just from my passing glance at it. Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Nancy P.

Last night I still wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I just caught the wrong parts. The exceptions.

But today I learn from Deroy Murdock that in the eulogy Jesse Jackson declared that President Bush put forth an anti-Rosa Parks judge.

Must funerals always become political rallies on the Left?

And why does the Left get to claim Rosa Parks? Brave American. Inspiring American. Does she need to become a liberal icon? Condi Rice is the walking legacy of Rosa Parks, a woman who as a girl had to walk on the other side of the street as white. Today she is Secretary of State and being buzzed about as a presidential contender. For goodness sake. Sometimes life is about more than partisan politics. That’s an obvious point for most Americans, you know, normal people. Foreign to anyone who considers drinks at the Capital Grille a night at home.

Posted at 08:25 AM

Ponnoru is the only one who occasionally makes sense, or at least presents defensible ideas. Also: the only one who apparently studied logic and geometry.

only one who apparently studied logic

shock

My real favorite is Derbyshire, but since he's not on the list, I'm gonna pick my most hated (or my most favorite to fume about: Jonah Goldberg).

I can only stand Goldberg when he duels with Peter Beinart.

PORTMANTEAU CORNER POSTING [John Derbyshire]
Andrew (and a swelling host of readers): I asked for a politician who "PROUDLY CLAIMED to be socially conservative but fiscally liberal." All suggestions so far have been apologetic about either the one thing or the other (with the possible exception of De Gaulle, about whom I don't know enough). Ramesh: Surely one factor in the rise of prison rape--which I feel sure was wellnigh unknown a generation ago--has been the striking down of the very strong social taboo on male-male buggery. This taboo was universal across all cultures, primitive and civilized, and even including those that tolerated male-male erotic bonding, until the rise of the "gay rights" movement in the modern West. I'm not saying that this is the only factor, or even the major factor, but it must surely be **a** factor.

I'm in Palm Beach County [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
What I've heard so far: "I just don't know who to vote for. I was thinking this morning I might just not."

"I see Obama everywhere I go. Magazine covers. TV. Is anyone else running?"

Inspiring.

I'm with Jay: Operation Sarah Saturation might not be a terrible plan.

10/09 03:24 PM

Thank you for this thread. It will be a tough choice.

Can we have more quotes? I'd like more information (I'm an UNDECIDED voter finally yay!)

Derb:
Jennifer's bristols. Did I buy, or browse, a copy of the November 17 GQ, in order to get a look at Jennifer Aniston's bristols?** No, I didn't. While I have no doubt that Ms. Aniston is a paragon of charm, wit, and intelligence, she is also 36 years old. Even with the strenuous body-hardening exercise routines now compulsory for movie stars, at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust.

It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff. Added to that sadness is the very unfair truth that a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20. The Nautilus and the treadmill can add a half decade or so, but by 36 the bloom is definitely off the rose. Very few of us, however, can face up to this fact honestly, and I am sure this diary item will generate more angry e-mails of protest than everything else I have written this month.

** Bristols. Cockney rhyming slang. There is a well-known soccer team in England named Bristol City.

AHAHAHA wtf

omg Derbyshire might have just won my vote

wau

did he just admit to having paedo tendencies

a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20

i love his "i'm just saying what we're all thinking" gambit.

I mean, unlike the rest of The Corner, these are not Republican talking points.

"a woman's salad days" sounds pervy in a Derbyshire context.

What I love about reading these posts is the remembrance that NO thinks he's too leftwing for their tastes.

http://boifromtroy.com/archives/john%20derbyshire%20honorary%20homo.JPGhttp://suckerfreeblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/r-kelly-trapped-closet-400a081707.jpg

IT'S LIKE I'M SEEING DOUBLE

Pakistan [Lisa Schiffren]

On Pakistan, Obama's explication is sound, but he did call for invading an ally, which was pretty offensive. McCain was right, too. Pakistan is so complicated and difficult that a lot of explaining is necessary, and there really isn't a clear way to fix the problem.

naw he's just pro-choice. you can't be pro-life if you don't give a shit about anyone else! xp

At some point you guys will have to show more gratitude to Ned and me for getting you guys hooked.

i got myself hooked broski

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/uploaded_images/amy-holmes-715870.JPG
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1371/952626370_25d2536f40.jpg

Yeah, I've been offended by Jonah Goldberg for years! XP

Obama and the Clock [Jay Nordlinger]
There are reasons not to talk about Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, etc. — not to talk about Obama and radicalism. But there are reasons for doing so, too. And I ask this: If not now, when? (If not us, who?!) After November 4, it will be too late. Isn’t now the time to talk about it, discuss it, air it? Let Obama address it? What are campaigns for?

And where’s the media’s love of “vetting” (a word we heard a lot in early Palin days)?

It could be that Obama’s past radicalism, or tolerance of radicalism, has nothing to do with his present self. It could be that he has come a long way. I am ever mindful that about half of NR’s founding editors and writers were ex-Communists. But the thing is, they were really ex: and they were leading anti-Communists. To change one’s mind can be glorious. But where is Obama now?

I have a feeling that, once Obama is elected — if he is elected — the media will have a new candor about him. For now it’s, “Isn’t Sarah Palin stupid and racist?” (To be a conservative is to be called stupid and racist, even if you’re a combination of Albert Einstein and Frederick Douglass.)

so good both Alfred and I posted it today^^

SODOMITES:

http://www.events.wvu.edu/foi/2005/debate/picture.jpg

http://www.events.wvu.edu/foi/2005/debate/picture.jpg

jesus christ

jonah goldberg reminds me of a lot of family guy-watching dorks i remember from college

that pic really needs CURIOUS? and then a phone number

she dated mickey kaus
http://rangit.com/wp-content/media/2008/02/mickey%20kaus.jpg
and lloyd grove
http://www.washingtonlife.com/backissues/archives/01sept/photos/ng06.jpg
and i dunno who this motherfucker is but he probly tapped it
http://www.washingtonlife.com/issues/2004-06/troy/images/troy_05.jpg
cmon amy u know i can show u - dial 1 900 MIX AND WHAT and kick them nasty thoughts

http://www.events.wvu.edu/foi/2005/debate/picture.jpg
WITH YOU ALWAYS

sloppy seconds to mickey kaus ekhjfeklsjfe

gotta feel sorry for the fine intellectual conservative woman's options

amy holmes is one of the stupidest people i've ever heard talk on tv

Also, doesn't Goldberg get points for writing that horrific Liberal Fascism? Where basically he argues that since Hitler was a vegetarian, and some liberals are vegetarians, therefore liberals are fascists?

gotta be k-lo

No contest.

I betcha k-lo hates Amy Holmes and wants her dead.

isn't there a "Daily Show" appearance wherein Goldberg was ripped a new one?

love how the right wing over the past decade has groomed these hot sociopaths to trot out their horrific talking points

bonus points if they're non-white hotties

Hmm.... [Alfred Soto]

Beinart has a wife and kid. But he talks with a lisp and winks at Goldberg through the camera. Makes you wonder.

Someone should email this link to NRO - CC the whole gang.

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/character3.article.jpg

Amy Holmes is pretty hot but she's no K-Lo. I bet she's never even eaten a donut in her life

I think Derbyshire doesn't post at the Corner anymore....? I remember some mention of it, possibly by K-Lo. Wasn't sure if it had to do with the Derb-Ponnuru beef.

what's the percentage of women who go on cnn/msnbc/fox as either a "democratic strategist" or "republican strategist" and are hot? it's like 80%

1/9/03:
DEATHLESS PROSE [John Derbyshire]
Good grief! I have just found out by accident that all these blatherings on The Corner are ARCHIVED FOR EVER and can be retrieved by Google. Oh my God! Try typing the following into Google, for instance: "lula penis urdu derbyshire." Time to leave the country... No, wait--Google is world-wide!! Aaaaaaargh!!!!!
Posted at 06:25 PM

Frum can be pretty reasonable: http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmE5Njk3NDBlZGZhYWU4YTMyMGFkNjYyNjJmNzYwNTg=

"strategist" is code for "looking for work"

"Strategist" means "rejected by the Heritage Foundation"

SMELL MY COFFEE

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Jonah_Goldberg.jpg/200px-Jonah_Goldberg.jpg

Dow Closes Below 9K [Jonah Goldberg]

First time since 2003.

What an unholy mess.

10/09 04:00 PM

I know what to do! Let's blame the Democrats!!!

The weird thing is I end up feeling sorry for Jonah Goldberg even though he's reprehensible because his mother is so disgusting and horrible that he never really had a chance in life.

some classic goldberg quotez in this thread

JONAH DINESH WHO IS DUMBEST

xp yeah jonah is basically buster bluth

haha all the VDH lovers have a tough choice, i just noticed

Who is his mother?

The weird thing is I end up feeling sorry for Jonah Goldberg even though he's reprehensible because his mother is so disgusting and horrible that he never really had a chance in life.

― Nicole, Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:04 PM (1 minute ago)

hahaha, ok NOW we need to send him a link to this thread.

lucianne goldberg

wait. . . i didn't know this. Jonah Goldberg's mom is lucianne??????????

http://www.bartcop.com/lbj-bj.jpg

hahaha he went to Goucher

Who is his mother?

― Mordy, Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061003/244.goldberg.whoopi.100306.jpg

his father is a pretty stand-up dude imo

http://www.opengroup.com/sports/images/(SC)Goldberg_Photo.jpg

Guyz, in the time we've fucked around here there've been six dozen batshit posts at The Corner.

btw this is the best, I think:

Projecting through the Screen [Rich Lowry]
A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It's one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O'Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.

man olbermann loved ^^this shit more than anything in the world

he said "you know rich, if you sat at home and masturbated during the debate, that's your business. but you didn't have to tell us about it"

i must say it was really fucking weird and creepy to hear olbermann say masturbate

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/k_losluts_1.jpg

that is GOAT

other favorites: steyn's faggot jokes about andrew sullivan, and their respect and admiration for hillary clinton unveiled earlier this year.

C|D: Being so annoying/outraged by something that you actually send an email to one of these guys explaining why their position is retarded.

real actual favorite: derb's pro-choice argument, which see-sawed between commonsense, logical human understanding and "what should it trouble me what some skank does with herself?"

xp dud i'd say

C|D: Being so annoying/outraged by something that you actually send an email to one of these guys explaining why their position is retarded.

aaahahahaha, I've done this twice with Goldberg and twice with K-Lo.

Oh Jesus, that's going to wind up in "posts out of context," isn't it.

After reading:

The Obama Discount [Jonah Goldberg]

I have no idea whatsoever if there's merit to this, and if there is how much merit, but lots of email like this:

When are people going to start talking about the REAL reason the markets are down - Obama up in polls. If I was McCain, I'd start telling people, "If you want to lose more money, vote Obama."

10/09 04:09 PM

I sent Jonah an email explaining the difference between correlation and causation.

Three Ethnomusicologists Walk into a Bar... [Mark Steyn]

I have had a distressingly large number of reader e-mails on the lines of the following:

So they're against "the Use of Music as Torture?" Really? You mean they've decided to oppose "American Idol?"

Look, that’s not funny!

Okay, if you replace “American Idol” with “The Celine Dion Christmas Album”…

No, it’s still not funny.

Anyway, Andrew Sullivan walks up to this ethnomusicologist and says, “Do you know Bush is using sleep deprivation at Gitmo?” And the ethnomusicologist says, “No, but if you hum a few bars I’ll play it on my bone flute.”

OH SHIT

i remember richard brookhiser having a much higher profile back in the 90s, i had forgotten about him. he doesn't seem as horrible as most of these people. he is very ugly tho.

P.P.S. on Biden, Etc. [Jay Nordlinger]
I wonder if you remember our lines — conservative lines — from the Quayle-Gore era. I do. Quayle could do nothing right, of course. If he said, “Good morning,” the media would mock his pronunciation of “morning.” And what about the genius Al Gore? He said, “A leopard never changes his stripes.” He translated our national motto — E pluribus unum — “Out of one, many,” which is bassackwards. At Monticello, he looked at busts of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, et al. and said, “Who are these people?” Etc.

Anyway, that’s enough whining for now — until my next post.

Brookhiser became ill with testicular cancer in 1992 and smoked marijuana in order to remove the nausea that chemotherapy gave him. (Before that, he smoked marijuana in college about 10 times, he said.)

"Because of the marijuana, my last two courses of chemotherapy were almost nausea-free", he said in 1996. "My cancer is gone now, I was lucky."

On March 6, 1996, he testified before a Congressional committee about using marijuana, urging the committee members to support decriminalization of marijuana for medical purposes.

"My support for medical marijuana is not a contradiction of my principles, but an extension of them", Brookhiser told the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Crime. "I am for law and order. But crime has to be fought intelligently and the law disgraces itself when it harasses the sick. I am for traditional virtues, but if carrying your beliefs to unjust ends is not moral, it is philistine."

K-Lo quoted an e-mail I sent her, but I can't remember what it was. Something in the 2004 debates.

i emailed someone once and didnt get an answer

I once called Jonah on something in an email and he emailed me back to claim that his post was really just "a joke." He was being sarcastic. I've noticed he uses this claim a lot when he gets called on being an idiot.

This was not me:

TOUGH AUDIENCE [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
Another e-mailer:
Look, I'm just an old M1 tank guy, but trapping the 4-wire is NOT a perfect landing. That pilot is going to be ribbed forever about almost doing a touch-n-go with the POTUS in an eject seat. It looked great to the unschooled eye, but to the guys who drop tail hooks, it was a grade "D". OTOH, our CinC looks just like another fighter jock. Fit, trim, looked like he was entirely in his element. The right man for the right time.

Now, it's far more likely that the causation and correlation suggested by some readers is backward: the markets tank for non-political reasons and Obama does well as a result, rather than Obama does well and then the markets tank. Still, I think Pethokoukis' point that Obama's success may make investors more pessimistic about the future has some plausibility to it.

Yay. My email taught him the difference between cause and correlation!

hahahaaaa

thats unbelievable

i thought he would say he was just wishful thinking

You Stay Classy! [Jonah Goldberg]

Here's a "good" one from a reader:

I'm Jewish and have got to say watching right-wing morons like yourself over the last 8 years including your most recent post about Obama and the market really sends chills down my spine. We wonder why 6 million of us were killed in the '40's by the people of Europe, you and the other Jewish right-wing parasites are showing me what happened. Obviously people like you incited them, like you are inciting people now. Keep it up you fat-assed ignorant moron. Keep it up.

Your mother should be ashamed of herself, and should kill herself today for having produced an ignorant scumbag like you.

I pray for our people, and hope you die tonight.

10/09 05:15 PM

Ok. Come clean. Which one of you sent this email?

so obviously shakey mo

lolololol

i never knew shakey was jewish!

The more you know.

Re: Omnibus Response (on Radicalism) [Andy McCarthy]

Second, and relatedly, Obama's radicalism, beginning with his Alinski/ACORN/community organizer period, is a bottom-up socialism. This, I'd suggest, is why he fits comfortably with Ayers, who (especially now) is more Maoist than Stalinist. What Obama is about is infiltrating (and training others to infiltrate) bourgeois institutions in order to change them from within — in essence, using the system to supplant the system. A key requirement of this stealthy approach (very consistent with talking vaporously about "change" but never getting more specific than absolutely necessary) is electability. With an enormous assist from the media, which does not press him for specifics, Obama has walked this line brilliantly. Absent convincing retractions of his prior radical positions, though, we should construe shrewd moves like the ostensibly reasonable Second Amendment position as efforts make him electable.

I for one am especially grateful to learn the differences between Maoism and Stalinism.

What Obama is about is infiltrating (and training others to infiltrate) bourgeois institutions in order to change them from within — in essence, using the system to supplant the system. A key requirement of this stealthy approach (very consistent with talking vaporously about "change" but never getting more specific than absolutely necessary) is electability.

in my day we called this process an "election"

i never knew shakey was jewish!

― omar little, Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:28 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ha he is for real im pretty sure

He is.

where is TOMBOT?

we need him in here.

Is disco a good business opportunity?

(got it covered)

thnx

(I can get the disco post too if you want...?)

hahaha no

Man, this is tougher than I thought- finding the perfect evil/stupidity ratio in a such a target rich environment isn't easy! Steyn seems like the obvious choice, but can I really say that I am familiar with all of these losers? What if it's just name-brand recognition guiding me here?

Jay Nordlinger has been reasonable at times with his praise of Obama, Hillary and Michelle after their speeches... usually just a foot soldier though

Goldberg thrives on being an asshole. But hey, I want to hear this story about his mother too... ?

Victor Davis Hanson is the absolute worst, hands down: racist, homophobic, near eugenicist in his "hail the white conquerors" pro-war rhetoric. just read his championing review of "300" (it was sick)

>>Now, it's far more likely that the causation and correlation suggested by some readers is backward: the markets tank for non-political reasons and Obama does well as a result, rather than Obama does well and then the markets tank. Still, I think Pethokoukis' point that Obama's success may make investors more pessimistic about the future has some plausibility to it.

Yay. My email taught him the difference between cause and correlation!

― Mordy, Thursday, October 9, 2008 2:08 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

ROFFLE!!

I think Derb has been MIA lately since he isn't too fond of Palin's fundie-ism, and he gets in fites with K-Lo over the pro-life thing all the time

Also I am pretty sure K-Lo is the editor of the Corner, not Lowry

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson101106.html
If critics think that 300 reduces and simplifies the meaning of Thermopylae into freedom versus tyranny, they should reread carefully ancient accounts and then blame Herodotus, Plutarch, and Diodorus — who long ago boasted that Greek freedom was on trial against Persian autocracy, free men in superior fashion dying for their liberty, their enslaved enemies being whipped to enslave others.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODRmNmY0NTlkYmQyNGFmNzU3MTAyOTlkMzc2ODBjNGI=
4) Luck. A movie comes out with a stereotypical view of the Persians as aggressive, imperious, arrogant, and autocratic; it is criticized for such simplicity; but then an aggressive, imperious, arrogant, and autocratic Iranian ruling caste 2500 years later at almost the moment of its release continues to defy the world over nukes and is reduced to sordid piracy and hostage-taking.

Lowry's the editor of the magazine, though.

Jonah this morning.

I just read that before clicking here. Is that not the most revisionist thing ever? My brain hurts now

Haha

"It Is Big Enough to Work" [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
President Bush, God bless him, is defending his plan and pep talking us right now. It feels so paternalistic and ... exactly wrong. Government will fix (what government royally screwed up). Don't worry. We'll take care of you.

That's not an economist's anaylsis, needless to say. But it's this conservative's instinct.

He's mostly right about FDR's flailing, but wtf about needing another Coolidge now.

YES J0NAH WE'RE ALL GOING TO LAFF AT U

Astroturfing or Just Group Think? [Jonah Goldberg]
I get a lot of email from self-described liberals, independents and conservatives these days who all seem to think alike. To wit: they all use very similar language about how conservatives are dishonorably talking about things that just happen to be inconvenient to the Obama campaign, that we're inviting violence against Obama, that I/we/the Corner should be ashamed of this, that, or the other thing.

For instance, during the first days after the Sarah Palin pick, when the Obama campaign was shaken, I was amazed by how many emails from self-identified "longtime fans" and others who've been "reading me for years" who told me how much they hoped I would tell the truth about the consumate evilness of Sarah Palin. The language was similar, the tactics identical: Butter me up, tell me that I alone have the integrity to tell the hard truths. Now it's not that I don't think some liberals can be fans of mine. Nor is it that I think everyone of these people is sitting in some huge room full of computers in David Axelrod's basement. But, there's simply something fraudulent in the tone, tenor and number of emails I get along these lines. I don't know if Obamaphiles get tips about how to email conservatives or if there's an astroturfing operation at work or if this is simply an example of talking points and tactics working themselves out virally. But it just feels too coordinated for me to take entirely seriously.

I have no idea how to deal with it because I have no doubt some of these people are sincere. But I am sure some aren't as well. So basically my approach is to note the email and move on.

The Eyes of a Woman [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

And now a moment for psychopoliticalbabble. Blame it on the here in Palm Beach County.

I've always thought you can always tell a lot about a campaign through the eyes of the loving wife of the candidate. One Super Tuesday night in Boston, I was feet away from the Romneys as he talked about taking it to the convention. He was telling you the truth, he hadn't decided to drop out yet. But you knew, even if he hadn't made the call yet, that he'd not be in the race by week's end. You could see it in Mrs. Romney's eyes.

Right now I'm watching John McCain in Wisconsin. Cindy McCain has intense worry in her eyes. I wish we could all take the weekend off as a country and come back Monday ready to have a serious election. I bet Mrs. McCain would agree.

"Blame it on the here." That's as close to profundity as K-Lo will ever get, and it's a fucking typo.

Spirit of Self-Defense [John Derbyshire]
As NRO's designated chickenhawk, let me be the one to ask: Where was the spirit of self-defense here? Setting aside the ludicrous campus ban on licensed conceals, why didn't anyone rush the guy? It's not like this was Rambo, hosing the place down with automatic weapons. He had two handguns for goodness' sake—one of them reportedly a .22.

At the very least, count the shots and jump him reloading or changing hands. Better yet, just jump him. Handguns aren't very accurate, even at close range. I shoot mine all the time at the range, and I still can't hit squat. I doubt this guy was any better than I am. And even if hit, a .22 needs to find something important to do real damage—your chances aren't bad.

Yes, yes, I know it's easy to say these things: but didn't the heroes of Flight 93 teach us anything? As the cliche goes—and like most cliches. It's true—none of us knows what he'd do in a dire situation like that. I hope, however, that if I thought I was going to die anyway, I'd at least take a run at the guy.

04/17 11:17 AM

Ct. Court Rules [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

against marriage.

10/10 11:56 AM

lol

John Derbyshire (born June 3, 1945) is a British-born author who lives in the United States and became a naturalized citizen in 2002. While raised an Anglican, he no longer considers himself a Christian but rather a Mysterian.
http://splinteredsunrise.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/96_tears.jpg

Keep an eye out for reactions there to Christopher Buckley endorsing Obama in full:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama

has anyone emailed this to them yet

I think ethan did.

they haven't bitten on the orgasmic breathers yet.

i live in hope

And Now for Some Good News. Really [Peter Robinson]

My column for Forbes this week is devoted to Ward Connerly:

He's got his finger on the pulse, that one.

No one on the corner has swagga like us
Swagga like us swagga swagga like us
No one on the corner has swagga like us
Swagga like us swagga swagga like us
No one on the corner has swagga like us
Swagga like us swagga swagga like us
No one on the corner has swagga like us
Swagga like us swagga swagga like us

a true american hero

you know who could turn this mess around? calvin coolidge

Spirit of Self-Defense [John Derbyshire]

what was he referring to?

VA Tech shooting

"Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again!"

https://honors.rit.edu/amitraywiki/images/e/ed/ArchieEdith.jpg

Markets & Paulson [Andrew Stuttaford]

John, I couldn't disagree more. If this crisis turns out as badly as it might, there's a case to be made that those congressional Republicans who voted against the bailout deserve to be remembered as the Smoots and the Hawleys of our time (yes, yes, the Democrats deserve blame too, although on that particular day, rather less). There is a rational case to be made against the bailout (and people like you are making it), and there is also a decent case to be made that the bailout should have been weighted heavily in favour of direct equity participation in the banks (that happens to be what I think). But (with exceptions) rational arguments are not what I heard from the Republican opposition to the bailout in congress that day. What I heard instead was faux populism, real igorance, sour Babbitry and at least one pronouncement so nutty (about Bolsheviks, as I recall) that, for one dark moment, I thought I has stumbled upon a meeting of unusually loopy Randians. What I also heard was the sound of the McCain campaign going down in flames. What a shambles.

National Review Guest Comment:

January 24, 2006, 8:23 a.m.
Empty Prophecies of Gloom
The pessimist chatter may be increasing, but this economy is decidedly strong.

By David Gitlitz

http://www.epluribusmedia.org/features/images/FDR-2_Hoover.jpg

andrew stuttaford otm!

This Is Not Spin, Honest Question [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Ask most Americans: Other than Roe, name a Supreme Court decision you disagree with? Off the top of your head? Sure, you'd come up with one. There's Kelo. My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case." Then, before digging deeper into history during these split-second deliberations, would realize I may not want to say "that child-rape case" on the national TV. And, then, decide: "I just am not going to play Katie's quiz-show game."

I think the campaign has decided "Sarah Palin doesn't do game shows. And we'll 'expose' the media for every one of those questions."

Welcome to the end-stretch strategy. The McCain campaign may just be planning an anti-media campaign. I think that's what we've been seeing these last few days. And they couldn't be happier about Gwen Ifill and the appearance of favoritism, if that's true.

i just.... what?

Ask most Americans: Other than Roe, name a Supreme Court decision you disagree with?

holy god how do these people walk upright and communicate?

My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."
My mind would then wander to "that child-rape case."

which child rape case? that one.

Padgett / Harvell '16

Or whoever you want as veep -- it's your campaign.

The United States vs. Derbyshire.

of those Americans who can't give you an answer, how many sound this stupid?

PALIN: Well, let's see. There's --of course --in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings, there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are -- those issues, again, like Roe v Wade where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know -- going through the history of America, there would be others but--"

COURIC: Can you think of any?

PALIN: Well, I could think of -- of any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a Vice President, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.

Other than Roe, name a Supreme Court decision you disagree with? Off the top of your head? Sure, you'd come up with one. There's Kelo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

I am reasonably certain that most Americans who heard about/followed this case had forgotten about it by June 24, 2005.

A little introspection:
Wednesday, March 24, 2004

Iraq Wmd [Rich Lowry]

I know we are in the middle of a debate about 9/11 and not Iraq WMD, but I had an opportunity yesterday to hear someone plugged into the WMD debate. To review, we were massively wrong about the state of Iraq's WMD capabilities. The nuclear program was a pale shadow of what Saddam had had in the early 1990s. On chemical weapons, there was research and development, but nothing that was usable. On biological weapons, there was research into how to better weaponize anthrax, but again, nothing that was usable. It was Saddam's missile program that was most active, and most disturbing in what it said about the possibility of Iraq leaping ahead in its WMD programs. The missile program was almost entirely dependent on a network of foreign assistance. If Saddam had gotten comparable foreign help in other areas, he could have made leaps ahead in his capabilities. But that hadn't happened. So why were we so wrong?

which child rape case? that one.

― and what, Friday, October 10, 2008 2:13 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Kennedy v. Louisiana, probably

Yes, but it is slightly more complicated than "that child-rape case".

(only slightly, granted)

I may not understand the nuance.

Nuances are stupid things.

i was reffing "that one" guyz

He would have been the first person executed in a case where the victim didn't die (iirc).

I got where you were coming from, E.

I took it upon myself to email Jonah last night, before he could post, and explain why the Washington Times story wasn't a story - in clear and slow language. He hasn't posted about it yet today.

No, no. I understand the "That one" reference. I just didn't understand it in reference to the child rape case.

xp

lol mordy keep reinforcing how conservative you are every time you email him. u can be a mole in the operation

I don't want to be an obvious concern troll.

"Oh god, Jonas. I was really hoping this would put the final nail in that bastard, terrorist Obama's coffin. But alas, it doesn't seem like the real deal."

From FREEP, w/r/t Buckley's endorsement of Obama:

"So, should we cancel our NR subscriptions? I don’t particularly want to provide support for an institution that is so far off from my beliefs."

I loves it!

The wonderful FREEP link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2102328/posts

Why don’t guys like Buckley and Brooks just proclaim they are Democrats and be done with the facade.

To: Numbers Guy

I just cancelled my subscription to the National Review. It felt good.

78 posted on Fri Oct 10 12:09:46 2008 by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)

The best thing about Sarah Palin is that she is the fastest way to drive the country club Republicans out of the party. They’ve long been captured by secular intellectuals. It will clear their lives of cognitive dissonance if they become Democrats. In fact, they will find it positively liberating.

I agree. I think what we are seeing is that these type never were with us. They were token liberals masquerading as Conservatives.

To: Numbers Guy
45 years ago, National Review's founder and editor made a decision to purge the magazine of what he considered to be intellectually unsavory elements on the Right: John Birchers, Randians, Gold-bugs and the like. William F. Buckley did so not in order to enforce a stringent orthodoxy on the Conservative movement of which he made his magazine an integral part, but to make it more respectable by removing the voices of the hyperbolic, the shrill and the intellectually limited.

Perhaps it is time for his successors-in-interest to purge the magazine and its on-line companion of the equally unsavory elements who have over time found a home there; specifically, the elitist urban haute-bourgeoisie types who all went to the same prep schools, wear the same designer clothes, frequent the same bistros, and live in the same rent-controlled enclaves in Manhattan.

These people are to my ears increasingly indistinguishable from their liberal cohorts in their choice of interests and attitudes, and it is no surprise that they see qualities in Barack Obama that resonate powerfully with them. He is essentially one of them. A flinty Arizonan war hero and an Alaskan hockey mom do nothing for them because they do not know, have never known and will never know people like that anywhere in the cool cloisters of their privileged lives.

Buckley, Sr. was presumed by many to be a natural elitist by virtue of his upbringing, and in some ways he certainly was, but from what I have seen and read, he lived a life of exceptional variety and identified well with people of backgrounds and interests far different from his own. The fact that he wrote about them convincingly is proof enough.

It would likely make WFB sad to have to kick his own son off the team, so to speak, but he loved his magazine dearly and and was fiercely protective of it. In my opinion, the current editor ought to decide how much he loves it, too.
106 posted on Fri Oct 10 12:43:21 2008 by andy58-in-nh (Somewhere in Illinois, a community is missing its organizer.)

To: Numbers Guy

What the he$$ has happened to National Review??? Rod Dreher, Kathleen Parker, C. Buckley, and even Kathryn Jean Lopez (and at least one more that I’m blanking on) are—very publicly—jumping on the anti-Palin bandwagon. Do they not realize or care about how that’s going to be used by people who mean harm to the U.S.? Do they not realize or care about how that’s going to upset or demoralize people who love this country? I don’t care if they truly do hate Palin with a passion, but they should be smart enough to confine their b*tc$ing to the watercooler, their personal e-mails, cocktail parties, etc. K. Parker and K-Lo can’t wave a little white flag now and claim that maybe Palin isn’t quite as bad as they wrote. Too late. You went public. By attacking Palin, you attack me by implying that I’m too stupid to see her weaknesses, like you do. And now, with C. Buckley (Krauthammer, Will) fawning all over a socialist whose friends pray for the downfall of the U.S.? Beyond despicable. Beyond stupid. National Review and NRO are no longer must-reads for me. I’m done with them.

122 posted on Fri Oct 10 13:07:40 2008 by Bookbuck

What the he$$
http://www.adolfthegreat.com/site/fileadmin/Image_Archive/Personalities/Hess-Rudolf/RudolfHess-01s.jpg

He’s not hair on dad’s arse.

It's funny how personally these people take any criticism of Palin.

It's Night of the Long Knives.

lol did u see the clip someone posted of the woman on fox furious about newsweek's palin cover ... she was hysterical

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

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Well, that didn't work.

id blap

"This cover is a clear slap in the face at Sarah Palin. Why? Because it's un-retouched."

i mean, what?

this meme didn't last through that morning, btw, i don't think

Christopher Buckley & Obama [Jonah Goldberg]

I am a great fan of Christopher's. I am proud to call him my friend and I am grateful for his many kindnesses. None of that changes because of his decision to endorse Barack Obama. But I think he’s wrong.

I would very much like to leave it at that.

But since I don't need a kazillion emails complaining that I punted, I'll pick up the ball and carry it a few yards downfield without any attempt to make it to the end zone, never mind do some sort of dance at his expense.

I think Mark's reader has it basically right. Christopher knows that McCain once had great character. We know he knows this because he says so at some length. He thinks McCain has lost it. I think that is unfair and untrue. His only real evidence stems from McCain’s recent political performance. But even if you think McCain has run a less than honorable campaign (I do not – which is not to say that I think he’s run a particularly good campaign), it's hard for me to take the complaint all that seriously from someone who worked for — and greatly admires — George HW Bush. Campaigns often require a certain tackiness, as was conspicuously the case with poppa Bush. But Bush pere was not a tacky president and I see nothing in Christopher’s argument that persuades me to think it would be otherwise with McCain.

Meanwhile, Christopher invokes Oliver Wendell Holmes’ famous line that FDR had a “first-class temperament” and so too Obama. Indeed, he suggests that Obama is a man of great character because, he's a man of great temperament. Are the two really the same thing? I don't think so (indeed, that would be a hard case to make about FDR himself, who could be deceitful, vindictive, petty — even to his own son — and adulterous. And let us note that Holmes himself was not a man many of us should be invoking as an authority on political virtue or decency).

The story Christopher tells of McCain's great character has no real analogue in Obama. He may be in private a deeply honorable man, but his public record is one of accommodation, shortcuts, dishonest equivocations, serious leftwing sympathies and fellow-traveling with some awful people. Obama, let us recall, threw his own grandmother under the rhetorical bus in order to defend his relationship with Jeremiah Wright. That he sounded dignified doing it does not confer dignity on the act itself or the man behind it. That is surely not all there is to say about Obama, many of his friends and fans speak very well of him. But the scales Christopher uses to weigh one man against the other seem awfully rigged to me.

Am I misremembering what Obama said about his grandmother or is this guy mentally-handicapped?

The latter.

i didn't know people outside of reality tv interview bites used the phrase "throwing people under the bus" and its derivatives

I heard a lot of that at work before 75% of my department quit/got laid off.

But even if you think McCain has run a less than honorable campaign (I do not – which is to say that I am mentally handicapped)

Bush pere was not a tacky president

I feel better now?

Bush pere was not a tacky president (except for that one meal where he puked in the Japanese prime Minister's lap; that was tacky in every sense of the word)

^^ depends what he ate, actually

the poll is an embarrassment of embarrassments, but i give k. lo the slight edge over jonah. both of them are really my favorites.

I love youtube

i can't enjoy a lot of them -- ramesh, nordlinger, schiffren, york, lowry -- because they give some evidence of being too smart to have any excuse for peddling so much trifling nonsense, so they're more annoying than entertaining. whereas k.lo and jonah are distinguished by being dumb as rocks and soft as pillows. i find their haplessness comforting.

My conversation thus far with Jonah:

>I've been trying to google it, but haven't had much luck. All googles with permutations on Gringrich and radical come out with him calling secularists radicals and him calling Islamists radicals.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/19/AR2007051900842.html

I'll try the books, tho.

-M

>>On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:42 PM, JonahNRO wrote:

Google it. Or look at bob Reich's books.

Sent from Jonah's iPhone

>>>On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:25 PM, M <myem✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧> wrote:

Jonah, you wrote:I mean pretty much every liberal in America refers to Gingrich-style Republicans as "radicals."

I've never heard anyone say this... can you give an example?

-M

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

For the Record [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I do fear an Obama presidency. And not because he's a terrorist or I'm a racist. I fear a President Obama because he's a liberal, who has taken the counsel of radicals (and yes, a domestic terrorist). He's inexperienced and has bad judgment. We're at war and can't afford to play around.

Why can't John McCain say something like that instead of what he said yesterday?

Please, Senator McCain, help us help you!

10/11 09:43 AM

Confused [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

So, catching up on the Alaska report here: She did nothing wrong, but the Democratic investigator, who is friends with the fired commissioner doesn't like in retrospect that Todd made a few phone calls? Maybe that last thing shouldn't have happen, but it doesn't sound like he was playing her strongman. More concerned citizen and family man. The only question that bothers me about this incident is: How many kids does a cop have to taser because he gets fired?

10/11 09:35 AM

The Alaska Probe [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

THE SILENCE IS DEFEANING, my in-box says. Sorry, some of us were just simulating having lives for a night. Remember what I said about taking a deep breath for the weekend?

I haven't read the report yet (see first sentence above). My intial reaction was: See, a lot can happen between now and Election Day. It can get worse ... and better.

10/11 08:42 AM

http://www.sadlyno.com/wordpress/uploads/2007/04/kathryn-jean-lopez.jpg
Sorry, some of us were just simulating having lives for a night.

I wonder if she was borrowing Goldberg's holodeck.

Am I wrong, or are they fucking losing it today? I count; a comment about the born alive infant act, two Ayers comments (including an Ayers wrote his book comment), another new "bad" associate, and two Obama is an elitist comments. They should find one approach and settle on it!

That IS their one approach.

Sorry, some of us were just simulating having lives a sleepover with Sarah Palin.

I had more discussion with Jonah last night. But I'm not going to post it. Cause it's stupid.

I hope these guys live up to the classic image of conservatives at home, with a paisley bathrobe and a snifter of brandy, reading the Troopergate bullet points and answering e-mail.

aw come onnnnn

xp

It was really boring. He sent me some google searches to prove that liberals call right-wingers unfairly radical. And then I got bored and told him to keep up the good work of destroying those liberals fascists. And he thanked me for my support.

did the google searches prove anything?

Sure. Some bloggers have called Gingrich a radical right-wingers before.

ah so bloggers=liberals

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Wow. K-Lo in a walk.

we're all secretly crushing on the o.g. fertility goddess

Someone should email these exciting results to her.

Why when I read this can I only hear the sound of Andy sobbing softly, "Wh-wh-wh-why won't anyone believe me?"

Re: Ayers as Obama's Ghost Writer?!? [Andy McCarthy]

Jon, it's very like the other side to engage in the attack ad hominem and leave substance for another day (that never comes) so I'm surprised to find you doing it. Cashill has written a very thorough analysis. If you're content to have that be your reaction to it, so be it. As I said, I resisted reading Cashill's analysis for a long time — and he's not the first to advance the idea that Obama did not write his book — because I didn't want to be accused of wading into what could be taken as nutter stuff. I was then persuaded that I should at least look at it with an open mind. I'm convinced it raises major questions. I tried to treat them in a serious way. I expected to get gruff, but I did hope it wouldn't come from my own (diminishing) ranks. But such is the way it is these days.

Do me a favor, though. The next time someone complains that we really don't know enough about Obama — that he won't talk about Columbia, release his records or anything he wrote there; that he won't produce anything from his Harvard days; that there seems to have been a concerted effort to purge documentation of his connections to socialist associations; that he has misrepresented the fact and depth of his relationships with some troublesome people — do make sure to repeat your thoughtful response that you've seen no evidence that evidence is relevant. We're about to elect to the presidency a blank slate of the Left who comes to us with a neon sign that says "SLATE NOT ACTUALLY BLANK IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH." As the sign flashes, we've got an awful lot of people content to say, "Oh that, well if you just toss another blanket over it, the glare isn't so bad. Meanwhile, can we please just get back to the really important issues, like another targeted 2.67341 percent tax cut for left-handed working mothers — and quickly, before Obama offers 2.71523!"

10/13 06:07 AM

A credit to his law class, that one.

(As opposed to That One, of course.)

Re: Ayers as Obama's Ghost Writer [Jonathan Adler]

Andy — I agree that there are many troubling things about Obama, and there are many things that the press should — but has not — covered or investigated in any detail, including his relationship with Bill Ayers. I also don't think it is at beyond the pale to speculate about the provenance of his books, or even to suggest that to suggest he may have had help. But it's still a giant leap to Cashill's suggestion that Ayers was the actual writer of Obama's book, his "analysis" notwithstanding. There are more serious issues at stake, and we can do better than that.

10/13 10:19 AM

It's a Corner Cat Fight!

we really don't know enough about Obama — that he won't talk about Columbia, release his records or anything he wrote there

Like that Santana collab that didn't make it onto Supernatural.

Bob Dylan ghost-wrote Dreams from My Father and Obama played the harmonica parts on Time Out of Mind.

Thanks for the thoughtful advice, Mordechai. You may be right. Do you think it's unimportant that Obama doesn't want to discuss vast swaths of his past? And if it is important, doesn't trying to examine it necessarily expose one to the charge of being a conspiracy theorist? You may still be right. I haven't adopted Cashill's theory; I have simply been persuaded that he's raised colorable questions that Obama has it within his power to put to rest ... but won't. Maybe, though, we're at the point of diminishing returns. Best, Andy

From: Mordy
Sent: Mon 10/13/2008 12:48 PM
To: Andrew McCarthy
Subject: Sorry Andy

Jonathan Adler is right. Citing the Cashill as an argument against
Obama turns you from a political pundit into a conspiracy theorist -
about on the level of 9/11 Truthers. You do your cause no help by
embracing this kind of pseudo-scientific dolchstoss.

-M

Have I mentioned how much I love these guys? (Also, thanks to whomever posted that Harper's article in the election thread and added the word dolchstoss to my vocabulary.)

And these are people for whom I presume "when I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible" was sufficient

I just sent Andy a long, basically sincere, email back explaining why I find the Obama-associations argument weak. Mostly arguing that I personally have associated with numerous people of dubious reputation (read: all of ILX), and I don't think it makes me a bad person.

lol:

Hitchens [Mark R. Levin]

If you thought there was hope for this guy, reconsider.

You all realize this will be THE hot ticket here next month:

http://www.nrcruise.com/

If I had a huge disposable income I would so be there.

hahaha xxp

No Jonah Goldberg! I'll bet the high seas make him sickly. But the inclusion of Mittens makes up for it.

Uh, Jonah Goldberg is there.

Not sure how I missed that. I guess he's like the Ted McGinley of this Love Boat.

Activities:

Work out in the state-of-the-art fitness center
Learn Yoga
Relax by the pool
Enjoy High Tea
Take an arts tour
Pamper yourself in the Greenhouse Spa
Take a class in the Culinary Arts Center
Play paddle tennis
Attend a wine tasting
Surf the internet
Attend an art auction
See a first-run movie
Enjoy coffee and the New York Times
Relax in a hydrotherapy pool
Check out a book from the library

I thought The New York Times wouldn't be allowed on board.

Can't wait for all the talk everyone will have with Christopher Buckley. Restrained and thoughtful I'm sure.

I thought The New York Times wouldn't be allowed on board.

"Ladies and gentlemen, our special guest speaker -- Paul Krugman!"

this is a total liberal rickroll from the sound of the activities

Surf the internet

good thing to know the corner wont be shut down by these paddle tennis shenanigans

We just need a 'wacky' mix-up in booking between this and the VNV Nation goth cruises.

Those activities seem so twee! Why no skeet shooting?

Why no skeet shooting?

Nowhere near as good as skeet surfing.

skeet skeet skeet

Actually Nicole is right, I've found the skeet shooting that they would love to practice. (5:54 forward.)

Respectfully Disagreeing [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

David Frum was on CBS this morning and expressed his view that the choice of Sarah Palin was a mistake. He complained that it was a play to the base that hurts people like Coleman and Dole who need help, and some centering from the top of the ticket would help them and McCain.

I’m getting really frustrated with the reflex some on the Right have to want to push conservatism to the side or on hold. Someone has to hold the line at all times. Ideas have consequences. And so do campaign choices.

How about this exciting Sarah Palin talking more about McCain’s policies that are, in fact conservative? How about Palin talking about his record of good judgment on the surge and fighting against the excesses of government? How about Palin talking about his health-care plan? And I do think that she should continue to talk compassionately about abortion, because few can as she can. This does not reject either conservatism or non-ideological centrists who are moved by populist talk that touches their lives.

I swear, K-Lo is laff-a-minute. She's irrepressible.

the corner's post-mortem on this election is going to be something to watch

It might be instructive to paste their responses to the 2006 midterms.

ah yes the thumpin

!

this exciting Sarah Palin

As opposed to that boring Sarah Palin.

She seems so invested in Sarah Palin.

Going to be a bad rate of return.

Haha, wow, going back to that cruise page, check this:

http://www.nrcruise.com/Pages/faq.htm

Specifically this prominently featured link:

http://www.nrcruise.com/Pages/faq.htm#commitment

For many years, Holland America has stressed environmental awareness, conservation, waste reduction and recycling. Today, our environmental initiatives positively affect the lives of guests, staff, and the inhabitants of the many regions visited by our cruises and tours.

Our Five-Star ships are as environmentally sound as they are physically beautiful. We were the first to follow MARPOL standards for garbage processing and disposal (adhering to the standards three years before they became law).

Read the whole thing. Who knew they were such greens over at the NRO.

can we start an ILX cruise?

Elsewhere:

http://www.nrcruise.com/Pages/faq.htm#Notes...

If you consider your cruise ship a floating resort which transports you from one port to another as an added bonus, everything will be placed in proper perspective. If you feel naked without your diamonds and emeralds, or a lot of cash on hand, then bring them along.

would only be worth it if it was the same as the NR cruise xp

http://www.nrcruise.com/Media/IMG_7280.jpg

Jonah Goldberg, Ramesh Ponnurru
and fellow cruisers

Why there's a full photo gallery even:

http://www.nrcruise.com/Pages/photo_gallery.htm

"If you need to bring your reminders that a cultural and financial gap exists between you and the citizens to and for whom you're speaking, be our guests."

Learn Yoga = namby-pamby urbanite/Californian nonsense
Enjoy High Tea = elitist "European" tradition
Take an arts tour = anti-western deviants peeing in jars
Pamper yourself in the Greenhouse Spa = spa warming is not man-made
Play paddle tennis = urban miniaturized sport oppresses land-use rights
Attend a wine tasting = elitist Georgetown cocktail-party nonsense
Attend an art auction = money for anti-western deviants peeing in jars
See a first-run movie = Hollywood liberal elites
Enjoy coffee and the New York Times = New York liberal elites
Relax in a hydrotherapy pool = water isn't "therapy" it is for lawns
Check out a book from the library = complimentary lighter included?

Why am I so not surprised by Jonah's casual look:

http://www.nrcruise.com/Media/IMG_7216.jpg

Swingers

wow, love the martini Robert Bork is drinking.

that's a Borktini, FYI

Photos from the speakers list:

http://www.nrcruise.com/Media/m-steyn.jpg

http://www.nrcruise.com/Media/r-long.jpg

http://www.nrcruise.com/Media/b-bozell.jpg

the heavy-lidded gaze of the common dbag

were those pics sent by Interpol?

As Sadly, No! likes to point out, Brent Bozell = http://lalengua.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/dr-zaius2a.jpg

http://www.nrcruise.com/Media/ws-explorer-lg.jpg

Explorations Café, powered by The New York Times: a comfortable, coffee house environment where you can browse through an extensive library, surf the Internet and check email or simply read the morning paper.

Commies.

That 'coffee house environment' vs:

In every coffee shop ever

were those pics sent by Interpol?

"Take You On a Cruise" has a new resonance.

Anyway, if only David Foster Wallace could have written about THIS cruise.

so who's gonna forward this thread to k.lo? (subject line: you're a winner!)

i did not until this moment know that mark steyn was a dead ringer for seth rogen.

has anyone noticed how insane the corner is about everything Google recognizing holidays? They get all pissed off if Google doesn't celebrate, like, Columbus Day

In the tradition of President George Washington, a leader Thompson admired growing up, he walked away from an easy reelection victory in 2002 to seek new challenges.

Why can't there be people saying things like "In the tradition of Millard Fillmore."

"In the tradition of Millard Fillmore, he dithered while one half of the country tried to secede."

"In the tradition of Franklin Pierce, he did jack shit."

Steyn looks more like fellow Canadian and New Pornographer Carl Newman:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2440134946_fc448d34bf.jpg?v=0

"In the tradition of Zachary Taylor, he was murdered and nobody knew or cared"

Meanwhile, Frum tells off his erstwhile colleagues.

lol im surprised he bothered

can we get frum to post on this thread

I totally owe him a beer for posting that.

lol of course us back-slapping him only encourages the corner further you realize

"us back-slapping him only encourages the corner further you realize"

Fixed.

Frum, come to our corner.

I have finally determined K-Lo's celebrity lookalike and the original says shit like COME INTO THE LIGHT, CAROL-ANNE, ALL ARE WECOME IN THE LIIIIIIGHT!

revelation! I've never seen a picture of k-lo before, that's not at all what I imagined she looked like, guess I expected she was a hispanic ann coulter or something. in reality she looks like the nun who taught us biology in 7th grade, which of course makes perfect sense.

anyone else catch ya boy frum going at rachel maddow tonight on her show?

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/photos/penelope-cruz-elegy-madrid.jpg

revelation! I've never seen a picture of k-lo before, that's not at all what I imagined she looked like, guess I expected she was a hispanic ann coulter or something. in reality she looks like the nun who taught us biology in 7th grade, which of course makes perfect sense.

I pictured her as looking like either of these two.

McCain Taxes [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I hope people don't read this ominously: "McCain calls for no taxes on unemployment benefits."

10/14 11:12 AM

Christopher Buckley won't be on that cruise, it seems.

Kill him!

I don't think Frum was saying that Maddow's show was equivalent to someone at a rally yelling "kill him." I think she would have been better off asking him his opinion of the level of discourse at Fox, Headline News, or talk radio.

who is that with penelope cruz

Director of Elegy.

Good analysis of that Maddow/Frum interview here.

The Christopher Buckley thing is kind of melting my brainz right now.

Greenwald tearing Goldberg's ass a new hole:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/13/obama/index.html

Timothy Noah sums up the last couple of weeks through today over there.

I don't think Frum was saying that Maddow's show was equivalent to someone at a rally yelling "kill him." I think she would have been better off asking him his opinion of the level of discourse at Fox, Headline News, or talk radio.

― polyphonic, Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Yeah I'm inclined to agree, and I think people calling the interview a crushing defeat for Frum are a little loopy.

she wasn't nearly as artful as that one article suggests but he was pretty well smothered by his own cheap shot. granted if i had that show on in the same room i might not have looked up from my cheetos, ex to the next.

he wussed out, there really doesn't need to be a winner

Christopher Buckley -- jumped or pushed? The whole thing is so inside-baseball, then again so is this thread.

. "No doubt part of what upset these readers was the dim view Chris expressed of them in his first Daily Beast post," he wrote.

So wrong of him -- we all know how thoughtful and reasonable readers of the Corner are.

Advice to McCain [John J. Pitney, Jr.]

What demeanor should McCain display tonight? Angry doesn't work. Solemn doesn't work. ake-smiley doesn't work. Instead, McCain should go back to his roots and unleash his inner smart-aleck. If Obama accuses him of being erratic in a crisis, he should say: "So I'm erotic in a crisis? Who knew?"

So now we know the real name of Lord Custos.

Larry the Corner Guy

what the fuck

So to get ready for the debate, McCain should lay aside the notes, crack open a beer, and watch Animal House.

So McCain=Bluto, Obama=hippie dude playing guitar on the stairs during a party and then McCain can smash Obama's guitar

Levin responds to Douthat.

I sense the Wal-Mart (or is it Wal-Mart these days?) voters-thing isn't exactly working out in its first electoral introduction. It could be that McCain is just not explaining it the right way. But isn't that always the case? Christopher Hitchens says that about Marxism.

man, what a bitch!

Oh dear.

Why the defensiveness? That is a fact. Congrats to Frum.

Terrible flow.

did anyone post this new Jonah treat yet?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/15/opinion/main4523244.shtml

re: Ayers [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I've had people come up to me more than a few times recently to say "I didn't realize how radical Obama is." They're hearing it because of Stanley Kurtz — with the help of Rush and Sean and Fox. They're hearing it because of Rush and Sean and Mark and Laura, etc., and Fox. They're hearing it because of Sarah Palin. I wouldn't give up. McCain probably just isn't the messenger for it — but I think Obama's radicalism needs to be part of the narrative of why McCain and not Obama — but it's a message that needs to be heard and I think people are increasingly receiving it. Ayers isn't the whole election, but he is a legitmate part of the reason why Obama should not be president. JUDGEMENT.

Read that twice, then remember that this woman's title is "Editor."

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/10/matt_taibbi_and_byron_york_but.html

Matt Taibbi beating the shit out of Byron York. Loads of fun!

If Obama accuses him of being erratic in a crisis, he should say: "So I'm erotic in a crisis? Who knew?"

yes mccain please do this

With a sweet and silly grin on his face.

that's not how you spell judgment

only Socialists spell it that way

GET HER

I regret voting for Jonah now.

as a write-in candidate?

I would love to go after K-Lo with some tweezers

"as a write-in candidate?"

No he was on the ballot thankfully.

"I've had people come up to me more than a few times recently to say "I didn't realize how radical Obama is.""

I keep reading this sentence and smirking.

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SEXY PHOTOES

Did they need to be quite so large?

i think you'd ask that post-motorboat

christ those pics gave me a panic attack.

http://www.cinemaisdope.com/news/films/sonatine/sonatine-kitano.jpg

omfg lol xxp

she's so doughy!

http://www.junkdrawerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/windowslivewriteriaskedfordonutsandgotabagoflard-7881greasy-donut-2.jpg

The Corner exploded again. Website is totally down.

I Don't Have the Night on My Side [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Most of my e-mails tonight look like this: "Your title and post "I Just Don't Get" present a crystallization of Cornerite obtuseness and delusion that is almost haiku-like in its succinct perfection. I suspect you'll be experiencing a lot more of that feeling in the coming weeks, months, and, with any luck, years. Can't say I'm sorry about it"

imagine if McCain did badly!

Cause you know that something's happening... but you don't know what it is. Do you, Ms. Lopez?

Now you see this one-eyed pundit
Shouting the word "NOW"
And you say, "For what reason?"
And he says, "Dow!"
And you say, "What does this mean?"
And he screams back, "K-Lo's a cow"

this bothers me for some reason, even by their standards. maybe because some had a faint libertarian slant, and i wasn't expecting such illogic?

October 16, 2008, 4:00 a.m.

The Courts vs. Marriage
By the Editors

In 2005, Connecticut enacted “civil unions,” designed to be marriage in everything but name for same-sex couples. We are not sure what good purpose is served by such laws. The reason governments recognize marriage in the first place is to promote the well-being of children in the setting most conducive to their flourishing. There may or may not be great value in other types of relationships: those between friends, or heterosexual lovers, or relatives who take care of each other. But why should the government grant recognition to one subset of those non-marital relationships — those between people of the same sex who are sexually involved? What goal does such recognition serve? Other, that is, than the legitimization of homosexual conduct?

But Connecticut, at least, decided the matter democratically. Those people who objected could try to persuade their fellow citizens to repeal the law.

Now Connecticut’s supreme court has decided that marriage in all but name is not good enough, and imposed same-sex marriage on the state. Like other courts, the Connecticut court treated the legislature’s attempt to meet gay activists halfway as a reason to throw out the compromise and hand the activists a victory. If the legislature was willing to recognize same-sex unions as though they were marriages, the court reasoned, why not call them marriages too? Opponents of same-sex “marriage” should be warned: Thanks to the courts, compromise is now folly.

The courts have so far imposed same-sex marriage on Massachusetts, Connecticut, and California. The next step will be to force other states to recognize same-sex unions solemnized in those jurisdictions. The Defense of Marriage Act protects states that wish to maintain their marriage laws as they are. Senator Obama wants to repeal that act, however, and the Democratic platform comes out for repeal — a position to the left of any previous Democratic presidential candidate. When Obama says that he opposes same-sex marriage, his words mean nothing.

A pity, then, that Senator McCain has not raised the issue. In the vice-presidential debate, Governor Palin even suggested that the tickets agree on same-sex marriage. We are on track to have same-sex marriage from sea to shining sea, without the people ever authorizing the idea. The public will be consulted as little as possible, and only after the fact.

But why should the government grant recognition to one subset of those non-marital relationships — those between people of the same sex who are sexually involved?

heading down the slippery slope of allowing unmarried people to get married? helluva drug..

My favorite post of the week:

The Obama Diet — Not Just Arugula [Lisa Schiffren]

The "people's ticket" ordered a little snack from room service at the Waldorf, as the N.Y. Post's page Six reports:

While he was at a meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria at 4 p.m. Wednesday, Michelle Obama called room service and ordered lobster hors d'oeuvres, two whole steamed lobsters, Iranian caviar and champagne, a tipster told Page Six.

I'd guess the bill for that snack came in at around $350. Iranian caviar ain't cheap — even if you negotiate for it yourself. What the hell . . . Your campaign contributions (soon to be your tax dollars) at work.

Does anyone else remember Gerald Ford toasting his own English Muffins in the family quarters of the White House? Michelle's style is a little more Leona Helmsley, who's ad campaign featured a picture of herself in one of her hotels, with the slogan, "a hotel fit for a Queen." Can you do that at the White House?

oooo "IRANIAN" caviar!

Michelle's style is a little more Leona Helmsley, who's ad campaign featured a picture of herself in one of her hotels, with the slogan, "a hotel fit for a Queen." Can you do that at the White House?

http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/floor0/map-room-c1962.jpg

Stadium Star [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Palin didn't need Greek columns. People react to her because they believe she represents what the Greeks established.

Anal sex?

http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/castcrew/character_season04/bunk.jpg

haha...ironically if Palin represents the greek democratic ideal she's a pretty good argument in favor of plato's attacks on democracy!

ie, the "people" will elect idiots!

fuckin' Ethan beat me to the K-Lo post.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Sarah_Palin.jpg
You like-a da juice, yeah? You like-a da juice...

<3

Your Papers, Please [Jay Nordlinger]

Have a friend who was in Riverside Park (Manhattan) with his baby daughter. A woman came up to him and said, “Are you a registered Democrat?” He said no. She said, “Well, you can register right now — it will just take a second. I have the necessary paperwork here.” He said, “No, actually, that’s not it — I am registered. It’s just that I’m a registered Republican.” He said that the woman gave him a look of hate such as he had seldom seen — sent a shudder down his spine. She walked away, still glaring, bitterly, without a word.

Now, the thing is, my friend’s not very political at all — he’s not like me and the rest of us NRO-niks. He just has a nice career (unrelated to politics), and a nice family, loves to play golf, likes to go to the movies, and goes about his business. And he thought, “Shouldn’t she simply have been pleased that I was registered? Isn’t political participation and good citizenship what it’s all about?”

Oh, no, no, my friend — not by a long shot. Come the revolution, you will understand. And that lady will give you a good long time in a camp to think about it.

I think the cornerites are secretly excited by the prospect of being persecuted and camps, etc. -- all of their bdsm fantasies will finally come true.

Not that that will happen, but they seem to spend a lot of time daydreaming over the prospect.

I discussed that point with a friend last night -- "Hugh Hewitt, Lopez, and Steyn really DO dream about worker camps and surrendering lots of their taxes, don't they?"

Yeah I imagine Rich Lowry yanks it to The Gulag Archipelago on the reg.

http://pryazhnikov.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/solzhenitsyn_b.jpg
***STARBURSTS***

I figure if Obama's tax proposal was 'yeah, I'm taxing and imprisoning all the Cornerites and their fellow travellers and everyone else gets a refund,' then everybody would be happy since all the collective dreams would come true.

everybody would be happy since all the collective dreams would come true.

Intriguing, Comrade Ned.

The Beauty of Consistency [Jay Nordlinger]

I loved a letter from a reader. Last week, I posted an item saying that Ronald Reagan was winning strange new raves for his intellect — because people were interested in demeaning Governor Palin. They were saying (in essence), “Palin is a complete non-reading nincompoop, as opposed to that combination of Wittgenstein and Einstein, Reagan: the Sage of Eureka.”

And that letter I loved? “Don’t worry. Some of us liberals are still consistent. I don’t like Palin and I didn’t like Reagan either.”

What a relief!

10/19 10:40 PM

This was me! I sent that letter that he loved! They love me!!

They are feeling little starbursts about you right now.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sheetmusic/images/canyou.jpg

One day one of them is going to stumble onto this thread. On that day, they will post about it indignantly on The Corner. That day will be loltastic.

Rich Lowry will give me sunbursted lolgasms.

I would not be surprised if Jonah was a longtime lurker.

Nordlinger is gold

Nordlinger and Mozart's juicy phrases

Derb, if you find this thread, let me save you some time.

how come this is the first time I've noticed alizee kinda has a five head? also more nordlinger/derbyshire google img bombs plz

Who's buyin' the first round?!?

"from rabid Sarah Palin fans to Andrew Sullivan" [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

He voted for John Kerry. He endorsed Barack Obama. It remains a mystery to me why Andrew Sullivan is described as on the Right or a conservative. That's not me being McCarthyite. I just think words have meanings.

Just a rabid well-fed theocon Christianist vent.

And I'm guessing Sullivan will not be doing as many post-election shots as I will be (meet you in the bar on the NR Cruise) if we don't make at least 40 in the Senate, either.

I look forward to the day K-lo starts posting drunk 24/7.

So... you're looking forward to two weeks ago?

No, I think that is her brain sober! Imagine how much worse it can get.

well-fed

no shit

is "well-fed" the new "fat"?

Dreber w/r/t NRO:

I would add that conversations I've had over the past couple of weeks with grassroots conservatives around here are kind of breathtaking in their denial of reality. I have heard conservatives talk about how all the polls are wrong, that the "silent majority" will be heard from, that Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric are evil for making Sarah Palin look bad, etc. And that anyone who claims to be a conservative who disputes any of this is a traitor to the cause.

Loves it!

In Case It Helps [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Poll suggests Kerry has lead in swing states
Last Updated: Sunday, October 17, 2004 | 9:15 PM ET

Sorry Dan, maybe she is already drunk.

For some reason I had a Washington roundtable show on yesterday morning and Newt was on one of them, warning about all of the things the Democrats were gonna do when they got the power, and one of them was the same thing that Steyn is talking about here, i dunno, i don't see it

"Fairness" and freedom [Mark Steyn]

If Obama wins and has Congressional coattails, I would expect a new "Fairness Doctrine" to be one of the first things the liberal supermajority will pass. John McCain, who is antipathetic to talk radio and whose birdbrained interventions in the area of public discourse have helped give us moveon.org and a 600-million-dollar candidate who could singlehandedly fund the national elections of the rest of the G7, is obviously not the best person to argue against it. But those Americans who object to government regulation of ideas and opinions ought to take this threat seriously. It applies not just to Rush & Co, but eventually to websites like this. (North of the border, I see, the broadcast regulator, the CRTC, is now moving on to swallow the Internet.)

This would be not a "long march through the institutions" (as terrorist educator William Ayers would say), only a quick and easy stroll. But it would be (in Colin Powell's word) "transformative". In Canada, for example, I'm told by leftie critics that I should be satisfied because "the system worked" - that's to say, after three investigations, a wasted year and a ton of legal bills, a government agency has, in effect, retrospectively granted me permission to say what I said. Gee, thanks. Today's Calgary Herald editorial - "Canadians Are A Censored People" - has implications down here, too:

In supposedly free societies, government has no business having an opinion on whether a book [or a radio show, or a website] is true, false or has merit.

Like Canada's "human rights" commissions, the new "Fairness Doctrine" will be framed in fluffy feelgood terms, starting with that Orwellian name, and it will serve the same purpose - to pre-emptively stifle free speech.

10/20 03:18 PM

I think that's a part of their persecution fantasies.

Every time they state their fears about being put in a camp for dissidents, I think, "if only."

One Day in the Life of Hugh Hewitt would be singularly boring reading.

Steyn actually believes his opinions are dangerous. That's gotta be the funniest thing about his Canada case. His opinions are about as dangerous as Kevin MacDonald's. They are distasteful, gross, and RONG, but no one takes him seriously.

For some reason I had a Washington roundtable show on yesterday morning and Newt was on one of them, warning about all of the things the Democrats were gonna do when they got the power, and one of them was the same thing that Steyn is talking about here, i dunno, i don't see it

"This Week With George Stephanopopopoluffagus." I'm pretty sure Donna Brazile shot him the Scowl of Death too.

Not specifically Corner-related but with crossover and worth a read. My two favorite parts:

When I ask Frum about the apparent class overtones of the anti-anti-Palin argument, he deems it a mere “rhetorical trope.” What he hears instead is the sound of defeatism. “The people who defend her have already given up any serious thought of Republicans’ wielding governmental power anytime soon,” Frum says. “They have already moved to a position of pure cultural symbolic opposition to a new majority. The people who criticize her do so because we have some hope that we could be in contention in 2012, and there’s some risk that she could be the party’s nominee, and she’d probably lose—and even if by some miracle she won, she’d be a terrible president.”

...

Few people understand better than Buckley just what that might mean. “My dad kicked off conservatism in 1955, Goldwater ran in 1964, and then Reagan was elected sixteen years after that,” he notes. “So the Republicans could be looking pretty good around, oh, 2032!”

You might think that Buckley is kidding here, but you would be wrong. Conservatism, he thinks, is facing nothing less than an existential crisis. The events of recent days may have given him less of a stake in the outcome than before, but still he offers a friendly word of advice for those who care to listen. “The smart ones in the movement should get together right after the election at the Greenbrier or the Homestead, you know, where they typically have these kinds of get-togethers, and have a long dark night of the soul,” he says. “And I’ll tell you what the conference should be called: Conservatism—What the Fuck?”

Oh, the world resource skirmishes to come will come far sooner than 2032 and will bring out things far worse than anything even the most anti-Dem or anti-GOP person can fear, but oh let Republicans think their party is doomed in the meantime.

More and more delusional the closer this election gets to the wire:

The Palin Effect? [Jonah Goldberg]

From a reader:

Dear Mr. Goldberg,

Y'all have written clearly about the oft-confused Bradley Effect in the Corner today, but you have failed to mention the newest Silent Majority - those who are going to vote for McCain/Palin because of Sarah Palin, but are too embarrassed to admidt it to a pollster. It's huge, man.

As for me, as I tell everyone - I'm voting for Sarah Palin and that while-haired dude she's running with. Trust me, I get lots of knowing nods.

Color me dubious about the statistical significance of the Palin effect (how many gung-ho Palin supporters are really embarassed to say they're voting for McCain to a pollster?), but I hope I'm wrong.

Jonah discounts this theory, but if the dude had sent this to K-lo she probably would have been drunk enough to buy into it.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzBjMzc0ZmRhMzI4OTY0ZTg1MmNjOTBkYTBlYTkxZTU=

loooooooooool

UPDATE: I am floored by the fact that the white pages for Albuquereque, New Mexico has a listing for "Duran Duran." Mea culpa.

I am dying here.

Burning the ground.

i'd like to report some fraud i saw a name listed on the ballot as "barack hussein obama" thats gotta be fake right

Not really American.

kathleen parker, ew

To McCain's credit, he has tried to correct his audience -- when, for example, a woman said she couldn't trust Obama because he's an Arab. Gosh, wonder where she ever got that idea? But the McCain-Palin bad cop-good cop routine is what it is. The hot babe lathers the crowd; the noble soldier hoses them down. This isn't a campaign; it's a sideshow.

crosspost to nailin palin thread

are too embarrassed to admidt it to a pollster. It's huge, man.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/92/92aelvis.phtml

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Any Publicity Is Good Publicity? [Mark R. Levin]

William Ayers and his lovely terrorist wife have a new book coming out in June about their love of country. I don't hold this against Barack Obama, of course. He was only 8 years old when this duo was trying to overthrow the government. Of course, I wasn't born when Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto, but I've read it

uh zing?

"Sentence fragments...just PHRASES!"

john derbyshire is a racist nut pt 32893749387

Moderate = Democrat; the Newsday Mentality [John Derbyshire]

My next-door neighbors are on vacation, so by mutual agreement I get to take their morning paper from the driveway. This is Newsday, a cheerleader for everything Left. It's interesting, reading it, to see how people who work for a paper like this have internalized their leftism, so that they don't (I am sure) even realise they're displaying it.

Case in point, from the October 19 issue, page A4. This is a state-by-state report on the presidential race. For Virginia we get this:

The birthplace of Robert E. Lee hasn't exactly been friendly to Democrats — until recently, when the state's more moderate Washington, D.C. suburbs helped elect back-to-back Democratic governors …

See that? "Moderate" = Democratic. (And why would Robert E. Lee's state not be friendly to Democrats? Wasn't Abraham Lincoln a Republican?)

Then this from the October 21 issue, page A27. There is an aerial photograph of several hundred people marching on a broad highway. Heading: Bolivia's march for change. Caption: "Led by Bolivian President Evo Morales, tens of thousands of his supporters march into El Alto yesterday on their way to La Paz, demanding lawmakers approve greater powers and wealth for the oppressed indigenous majority."

I hardly know where to start with that. How do you "demand" wealth? I mean, you might ask politely for it to be "spread around" a bit more … but "demand"? You buckle down to work and help create wealth, that's what you do about wealth. And then that "oppressed." Who's oppressed? Bolivia's population breaks down by ancestry as Amerind-mestizo-white about 55-30-15. The Amerinds live mostly in the highlands of the west, and are poor; mestizos and whites live in the lowlands of the east and are richer. All enjoy the same civil rights, and have for decades. The current President, Evo Morales, is an Amerind. Far from wanting to "oppress" the highland Indians, the lowlanders have been trying to secede from them! That, of course, is the last thing the highlanders want. If the prosperous east secedes, from whom will the highlanders "demand" wealth? You can't spread around what you don't have.

That same issue of Newsday, page A5, carries a report of a Long Island school closed by a black-Hispanic race riot. This is pretty much a daily occurrence all over the U.S.A. now. Here was one in Madison, Wisconsin the other day. Just another one of the wonderful blessings brought to our nation by mass Hispanic immigration. Thanks, Mr. Bush, Sr.! Thanks, Mr. Clinton! Thanks, Mr. Bush, Jr.! Anyway, just look at the convolutions Newsday goes through to tell us this was a black-Hispanic rumble.

Hempstead District Superintendent Joseph Laria said some students were separated by their racial or ethnic affiliation in response to "a report that there was possible ill will growing between some of the students who were African-American and some of the students that were Latino."

For sheer strangulated determination to say something the writer regards as wellnigh unsayable, that's up there with the Japanese Emperor's radio address to his nation after Hiroshima and Nagasaki: "The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage …"

On to today's issue of Newsday. Page A5: Two officers shot. Two transit cops were wounded in the NYC subway when a turnstile-jumper grabbed one of their guns and started shooting. What does Newsday have to tell us about the perp? Only that he is "Raul Nunez, 32." That's as much as Newsday wants its readers to know about a guy who shot two cops. Over to America's Newspaper of Record, reporting on the same incident:

Suspect Raul Nuñez, 32 — who sneaked back into the United State after he was deported to his native Dominican Republic in 2001 for a 1997 drug conviction — was at Bellevue Hospital with gunshot wounds to the legs and torso. He faces attempted-murder charges.

Oh, so the perp is an i-i. Of course, if Newsday had told its readers that, the readers would have lost control of themselves in a frenzy of race hate and stormed out into the streets of Long Island brandishing pitchforks and machetes, to hack to death any passer-by who looked Hispanic. Newsday readers, you see, are bestial types with little control over their vile emotions, who will launch a pogrom at the slightest opportunity. So Newdsay's editors and reporters apparently believe. I bet they really do believe it. All liberals do.

Thank goodness for America's Newspaper of Record. Look — they even gave us the tilde!

cant decide if my favorite part is

That same issue of Newsday, page A5, carries a report of a Long Island school closed by a black-Hispanic race riot. This is pretty much a daily occurrence all over the U.S.A. now. Here was one in Madison, Wisconsin the other day. Just another one of the wonderful blessings brought to our nation by mass Hispanic immigration. Thanks, Mr. Bush, Sr.! Thanks, Mr. Clinton! Thanks, Mr. Bush, Jr.!

or

"(And why would Robert E. Lee's state not be friendly to Democrats? Wasn't Abraham Lincoln a Republican?)"

k-lo used to post here as "dee" right?

Has the Corner had a comment on Clothes Horsegate?

lol

re: Ward Connerly [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

He's also a civil-rights leader, unlike Barack Obama.

As for me, as I tell everyone - I'm voting for Sarah Palin and that while-haired dude she's running with. Trust me, I get lots of knowing nods.

I would love to see a highlight reel of these knowing nods. Like the therapist as he's trying to figure out how to notify the authorities without letting the patient know what's up.

i imagine every corner post being said while choking back tears

and masturbating

Those knowing nods send little starbursts of light.

to a picture of Reagan on a bear with a face of Gorbachev

The Corner is such a treat.

k-lo used to post here as "dee" right?

― omar little, Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:40 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

www.probush.com - which is worse: being a joke or not?

*shrug*

Only thing I'll say here is that when I want to feel patriotic or when I want to indulge my fannish self, I go to the Free Republic site. They have these "day in the life of" picture threads of George W. Bush that I always seek out when I go there.

Don't know if this is a joke or not. But I do know that Kissinger did win a Nobel Peace Prize. *waits a moment* Now you know how I felt when Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize.

*disclaimer: above post written by a Republican*

― Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, June 8, 2003 12:48 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man i forgot what a creepy save-a-freeper ned was about dee

dee how is carter winning the nobel peace prize comparable to kissinger winning the nobel peace prize?!?!!!! 'now you know how i felt when carter won' what, because hes a democrat?!!?

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, June 8, 2003 1:20 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Trife in dealing with political views other than his own shockah!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, June 8, 2003 1:37 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

try not to turn this thread into another meta bitchfest please

^^^ see how polite

http://www.davehiggins.com.au/images/starburst.jpg

tombot in dealing with ILX views other than his own shockah!

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/6323/silkkgallery/silk1.gif

ethan in being a close second behind jagger in suggest bans shocker

Dee did vote for Kerry, iirc

I was just about to say that - I read the 2004 election thread last night to try and temper my expectations - it was weird how optimistic we all were at the start of the thread...

How did Favorite poster from NR's "The Corner" become the Election thread's retarded little brother? Can we go back to mocking K-Lo and Jonah?

that first question seems to answer itself

actually sorry I guess I mean that post seems to answer itself

Thank goodness for America's Newspaper of Record. Look — they even gave us the tilde!

^^ i dont get it, does he actually think newsday is america's paper of record?

i just ordered ayers' book "to teach"

anybody read any of his other books?

He's talking about the Times, max.

yeah i still dont get it... is he saying that the times is less liberal than newsday?

Apparently. I wouldn't think to hard about it.

Lisa Schiffren deserves a vote for this: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWE0ZjllZWIzOTI4MWUxMmE2NmQzMjY5NTkxOTNmZmE=

Because I like Sarah Palin, and want her to succeed, I would be really happy to know that, should she find herself back in Alaska for the next four years, (or, for that matter, in D.C.) she chose to spend a little of the money that would otherwise go to her clothing budget on a personal library of conservative classics. Going upmarket intellectually will complete the transformation, and make her truly prime-time ready.

The Palin Wardrobe [Lisa Schiffren]

Because I like Sarah Palin, and want her to succeed, I would be really happy to know that, should she find herself back in Alaska for the next four years, (or, for that matter, in D.C.) she chose to spend a little of the money that would otherwise go to her clothing budget on a personal library of conservative classics. Going upmarket intellectually will complete the transformation, and make her truly prime-time ready.

You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think, Lisa.

The Clothes [Mona Charen]

In her critique of the Palin wardrobe, Post fashion critic Robin Givhan lets slip in passing that Barack Obama's suits go for $1500 and that Michele wears designer duds all the time (except when appearing on The View when she boasted of wearing an under $200 dress).

Yes the figure of $150,000 is eye-popping, but don't forget it that it included the whole Palin clan. And finally, I cannot escape the suspicion that one reason everyone is so exercised (other than the obvious, i.e. that she's a Republican) is that she is so gorgeous in those clothes. There is simply no other woman in political life to match her. The green-eyed monster strikes!

We're all just jealous! And $150,000 is not a lot of money for a family wardrobe, apparently.

hey guys, quick question here. in the following post, can someone parse for me what "boob bait for Bubba" means? who is Bubba? I thought Clinton was Bubba? And why does he need boob bait? Does boob mean breast here, or something else. Thanks for the help.

Finally, Someone Asked Her [Mark Krikorian]

We now know what Gov. Palin thinks about immigration, and the results are not good (h/t Auster):

Amnesty
Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?
I don't know, I don't know. That's a good question. [MK: She'd have some idea if she'd read my Washington Times piece.]

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?
There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration. [MK: Same old false choice of mass roundups or amnesty.]

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. [MK: "total amnesty"! At least she admits McCain's plan is a "partial" amnesty!] You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided [MK: "services" like Medicaid and food stamps and TANF?] and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country. [MK: None of these sentences follow from one another.]

Now, it was obvious, as McCain's running mate, she had to toe the McCain line. But which McCain line? After the campaign's near-death experience, McCain took to talking about "border security first" — which he qualifies out of existence whenever he's pressed on it, but at least the rhetoric was there. What Palin's response shows is that, first, she's completely open to whatever kool-aid they want her to drink — i.e., she has no innate resistance to amnesty for illegals that would cause her to look for less-unappealing ways of saying what the campaign wants her to say. And second, it shows what the campaign is telling her about McCain's views on the issue — if McCain's talk of "border security first" were anything but boob bait for Bubba, his operatives would have made it clear that Palin was supposed to include that in her discussion of immigration, but she didn't even make a passing reference to it.

The only person that can save The Corner is Daddy Yankee.

I think the phrase "boob bait for Bubba" is supposed to paint the McCain's "border security first" stance as being akin to flashing breasts in front of a simple dude; IOW, the position it's something distracting with no substance that people can look at and feel good about seeing.

Oh the deep deep roffles:

Kathleen Parker, from her syndicated column:

....As Draper tells it, McCain took Palin to his favorite coffee-drinking spot down by a creek and a sycamore tree. They talked for more than an hour, and, as Napoleon whispered to Josephine, ‘Voila’

One does not have to be a psychoanalyst to reckon that McCain was smitten. By no means am I suggesting anything untoward between McCain and his running mate. Palin is a governor, after all. She does have an executive resume, if a thin one. And she's a natural politician who connects with people.

But there can be no denying that McCain's selection of her over others far more qualified — and his mind-boggling lack of attention to details that matter — suggests other factors at work. His judgment may have been clouded by ... what?

Science provides clues. A study in Canada, published in New Scientist in 2003, found that pretty women foil men's ability to assess the future. ‘Discounting the future,’ as the condition is called, means preferring immediate, lesser rewards to greater rewards in the future.

Drug dealers, car salesmen and politicians rely on this affliction and pray feverishly for its persistence.

The Canadian psychologists showed pictures of attractive and not-so attractive men and women to students of the opposite sex. The students were offered a prize — either a small check for the next day or a larger check at some later date.

The men made perfectly rational decisions, opting for the delayed larger amount after viewing the average-looking women. You know where this is going. (Women, by the way, were rational no matter what.)

...

It is entirely possible that no one could have beaten the political force known as Barack Obama — under any circumstances. And though it isn't over yet, it seems clear that McCain made a tragic, if familiar, error under that sycamore tree. Will he join the pantheon of men who, intoxicated by a woman's power, made the wrong call?

Had Antony not fallen for Cleopatra, Octavian might not have captured the Roman Empire. Had Bill resisted Monica, Al Gore may have become president and Hillary might be today's Democratic nominee.

If McCain, rightful heir to the presidency, loses to Obama, history undoubtedly will note that he was defeated at least in part by his own besotted impulse to discount the future. If he wins, then he must be credited with having correctly calculated nature's power to befuddle.

One K J Lopez, in response:

Monica?! [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Because I know some of you are understandably and sensibly wondering WHY?: We're running our roster of syndicated columns through the election. Period. So that's why we published one today that is embarrassing and outrageous.

Hooray!

hahaha wait, so they have an article that manages the neat trick of being simultaneously far-fetched and plausible and KLo's reaction is panicked disavowal just because it says Democrats might have won something???????

(Fun addendum -- having complained about a certain column, Lopez neither specifically identifies it nor links to it. Not as effective as 'if I just ignore it it'll go away...')

To give KLo the benefit of the doubt, maybe she thinks Monica wasn't really all that re: "Monica?!"

"Science provides clues" is about the funniest thing i've read in a few days

Great, now I'm envisioning McCain as the old guy in the "She Blinded Me with Science" video.

Monica was totally Bill's type, though (ie, female and willing).

MCCAIN/PALIN 08 -- SCIENCE PROVIDES CLUES

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/WeirdScience_S1+2.jpg

Didn't K-lo and Kathleen Parker used to be friends? It's just like in the comic books.

K-Lo = Ms. Marvel
Kathleen Parker = Jessica Jones?

the Parker column is a hilarious lump of shit, but it's more fun to imagine K-Lo being wooed by Mark Steyn under a sycamore tree.

My favorite Goldberg variation came up again today on The Corner - getting out of bad news/arguments by taking care of his daughter or being exhausted from doing so

Friday, October 24, 2008
Assaulted Volunteer Story [Jonah Goldberg]
Starts to unravel.

Sorry, that should have read "unravels." I had an earlier version of the updated story in mind from an email. And I didn't read the latest version as I'm on Daddy Daycare duty today. Also I have a debilitating cold and am now going to bed for a while.

Monday, October 23, 2006 <- timing = bad polling numbers @ last midterm election
I'm going back to sleep [Jonah Goldberg]

Last night we had one of those out-of-nowhere stomach bugs strike my wee lass of a daughter. It was a very long night. If it got much worse, I would have called Father Merrin, if you know what I mean. She's okay now. But I'm exhausted and I'm heading for some sack time.

Friday, July 13, 2007
Playing Hookie [Jonah Goldberg]

Sorry to depart at mid-day, but I promised my daughter to take her to the movies today. Saw Ratatouille. I liked it a lot, though perhaps not as much as I'd been led to believe I would from all the reviews. Lucy liked it, but she probably dug Meet the Robinsons or Curious George more — and of course the films of Ingmar Bergman.

Kidding, I'm kidding.

Anyway, thanks for the email re death penalty etc. Maybe we'll get back to all that this weekend.

Friday, March 10, 2006
The Nemo Floatie Crisis [Jonah Goldberg]

But I have a more pressing, albeit not necessarily more important dilemma at hand. I'm taking my daughter to Florida this weekend (I have a speech down there, alas not open to the public). And she has been talking about it nonstop for three weeks. But now I discover that her "Nemo floaties" are missing. These are the inflatable floatation devices — branded with a "Finding Nemo" theme — that allow her to accomplish feats of buoyancy never imagined. They are missing. And to hear her tell it, not only should the whole trip be cancelled, but we should all fear for our very lives.

Friday, October 10, 2008
How I'm Dealing with the Crisis [Jonah Goldberg]

I'm taking my daughter to the movies this afternoon.

should have italics on the last one too - that was when the market started tanking

Goldberg is ALWAYS taking care of his children or mentioning cross country trips and cruises.

FAMILY FIRST

ESPECIALLY WHEN I AM LOSING AN ARGUMENT

I would refute this assertion but I have to go take care of my daughter right now.

I Just Don't Get Some People [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Former Reagan solicitor general Charles Fried is voting for Obama because of Palin.

Does anyone pay any attention to Obama and his veep? This election isn't all about what you think about Sarah Palin, after all.

uh

I just don't get some people!

Be Optimistic! [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I woke up this morning with a bad cold, throat closed off, and things not looking good. A nap, some drugs, and a lot of OJ later, I've made a turnaround.

I am interpreting it as a physical sign of the political turnaround to come. Hey, if it works . . .

The only thing the McCain campaign is missing is OJ (Simpson)

a drug addled k-lo posts happy thoughts for the next four years

A Scanner Stupidly

Drugs -- they're a helluva drug.

Drugs should help her through the next eight years.

They just make things worse
And I know I'll see her face again

I would have to take some drugs if I saw that face again.

jean teasdale has been raiding jim anchower's stash.

lol

McCarthy fucking loses it.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDNkMDNkZWVjNzFmYTFlYjNkMDYxOTQ5OGNkODg2MTM=

Ha, noticed that last night. Hell of a rant for someone to post on a Friday night when telling others to get a life.

More nutso from Kurtz. You can tell the election is in a week.

Certainly, Obama himself bears chief responsibility for this site. Yet I challenge the people who wrote the post about Stanley Kurtz and the New Party to show themselves. Why cower behind a rock (named Barack)? Why not give your names and post pictures of yourselves? I’d like a word with you. So if you have the courage to cast aside the anonymity behind which you so conveniently hide, I call on the author or authors of this and other posts at "Fight the Smears" to go public and defend yourselves by placing your own names and reputations behind your egregious accusations. It’s time to strip away the mask, not only from Barack Obama, but from his cowardly minions at Fight the Smears.

Is it time to start a Corner Suicide Watch?

The Obama Temptation [Mark R. Levin]

I've been thinking this for a while so I might as well air it here. I honestly never thought we'd see such a thing in our country - not yet anyway - but I sense what's occurring in this election is a recklessness and abandonment of rationality that has preceded the voluntary surrender of liberty and security in other places. I can't help but observe that even some conservatives are caught in the moment as their attempts at explaining their support for Barack Obama are unpersuasive and even illogical. And the pull appears to be rather strong. Ken Adelman, Doug Kmiec, and others, reach for the usual platitudes in explaining themselves but are utterly incoherent. Even non-conservatives with significant public policy and real world experiences, such as Colin Powell and Charles Fried, find Obama alluring but can't explain themselves in an intelligent way. There is a cult-like atmosphere around Barack Obama, which his campaign has carefully and successfully fabricated, which concerns me. The messiah complex. Fainting audience members at rallies. Special Obama flags and an Obama presidential seal. A graphic with the portrayal of the globe and Obama's name on it, which adorns everything from Obama's plane to his street literature. Young school children singing songs praising Obama. Teenagers wearing camouflage outfits and marching in military order chanting Obama's name and the professions he is going to open to them. An Obama world tour, culminating in a speech in Berlin where Obama proclaims we are all citizens of the world. I dare say, this is ominous stuff. Even the media are drawn to the allure that is Obama. Yes, the media are liberal. Even so, it is obvious that this election is different. The media are open and brazen in their attempts to influence the outcome of this election. I've never seen anything like it. Virtually all evidence of Obama's past influences and radicalism — from Jeremiah Wright to William Ayers — have been raised by non-traditional news sources. The media's role has been to ignore it as long as possible, then mention it if they must, and finally dismiss it and those who raise it in the first place. It's as if the media use the Obama campaign's talking points — its preposterous assertions that Obama didn't hear Wright from the pulpit railing about black liberation, whites, Jews, etc., that Obama had no idea Ayers was a domestic terrorist despite their close political, social, and working relationship, etc. — to protect Obama from legitimate and routine scrutiny. And because journalists have also become commentators, it is hard to miss their almost uniform admiration for Obama and excitement about an Obama presidency. So in the tank are the media for Obama that for months we've read news stories and opinion pieces insisting that if Obama is not elected president it will be due to white racism. And, of course, while experience is crucial in assessing Sarah Palin's qualifications for vice president, no such standard is applied to Obama's qualifications for president. (No longer is it acceptable to minimize the work of a community organizer.) Charles Gibson and Katie Couric sought to humiliate Palin. They would never and have never tried such an approach with Obama. But beyond the elites and the media, my greatest concern is whether this election will show a majority of the voters susceptible to the appeal of a charismatic demagogue. This may seem a harsh term to some, and no doubt will to Obama supporters, but it is a perfectly appropriate characterization. Obama's entire campaign is built on class warfare and human envy. The "change" he peddles is not new. We've seen it before. It is change that diminishes individual liberty for the soft authoritarianism of socialism. It is a populist appeal that disguises government mandated wealth redistribution as tax cuts for the middle class, falsely blames capitalism for the social policies and government corruption (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) that led to the current turmoil in our financial markets, fuels contempt for commerce and trade by stigmatizing those who run successful small and large businesses, and exploits human imperfection as a justification for a massive expansion of centralized government. Obama's appeal to the middle class is an appeal to the "the proletariat," as an infamous philosopher once described it, about which a mythology has been created. Rather than pursue the American Dream, he insists that the American Dream has arbitrary limits, limits Obama would set for the rest of us — today it's $250,000 for businesses and even less for individuals. If the individual dares to succeed beyond the limits set by Obama, he is punished for he's now officially "rich." The value of his physical and intellectual labor must be confiscated in greater amounts for the good of the proletariat (the middle class). And so it is that the middle class, the birth-child of capitalism, is both celebrated and enslaved — for its own good and the greater good. The "hope" Obama represents, therefore, is not hope at all. It is the misery of his utopianism imposed on the individual. Unlike past Democrat presidential candidates, Obama is a hardened ideologue. He's not interested in playing around the edges. He seeks "fundamental change," i.e., to remake society. And if the Democrats control Congress with super-majorities led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, he will get much of what he demands. The question is whether enough Americans understand what's at stake in this election and, if they do, whether they care. Is the allure of a charismatic demagogue so strong that the usually sober American people are willing to risk an Obama presidency? After all, it ensnared Adelman, Kmiec, Powell, Fried, and numerous others. And while America will certainly survive, it will do so, in many respects, as a different place.

10/25 09:29 PM

(Yes, it was posted on The Corner as one long paragraph.)

Haha wow.

This comment, responding to this post on my favorite Cuban right wing blog, is my favorite in weeks:

I gather those who are going to vote for Obama in the Cuban camp are either these young Cubano resentido types who hate all things Cuban, who think they are hot shit because they went to college, and think they are Americanos, or these sketchy types who have recently come from Cuba, complain that BUSH doesn't let them visit their family members on the island, and who still have the lingering effects of the spiritual sodomy they got all their lives in Cuba when they lived there. You know the type, the type of Cubans that live in Miami because they couldn't wait to get the hell out of Cuba, but still hate America because they expect a handout at every instance and get into a hissy fit when the State or Fed doesn't give in to them, the type that just want to mooch off the system. A far cry from our parents who came here and struggled and worked hard.

Let's just put it this way, any Cuban American who is still a Democrat (After JFK, after Carter and Mariel, after Clinton and Elian), and who votes on the Oba-munist ticket, is an asshole (a word I don't like to use often) and they deserve every God damn miserable policy this supposedly Kenyan born Manchurian candidate will grace us with. Do you people know what it is to be "mau maued" ? Well, it's a Kenyan word, and that's what Obama is going to do to us as the Kenyans like Obama's dad did to the British.

Do me a favor fake Cuban Americans who want to vote for Obama, DON"T VOTE, and go back to Havana and stay there.

Not as good.

ok I am smiling @ The Obama Temptation [Mark R. Levin]. I love that I can't tell if it's for real, or if he's just paid to pump up the team like a cheerleader.

George Packer has a wonderful counterpoint up (though with a sobering conclusion):

A roundup (via Andrew Sullivan) of conservative anti-Obama blogging during the election. Much of it has appeared on popular right-wing Web sites, including National Review Online, disclosing the “news” that Bill Ayers wrote “Dreams from My Father,” Obama was involved in domestic terrorism during the South Africa divestment campaign of the early 1980s, Michelle Obama used the word “whitey” in recorded conversation with Louis Farrakhan, Obama has had a female lover as well as a gay lover with a criminal record, he was fed answers during the first debate via a clear plastic device in his ear, and his birth certificate was forged, casting doubt on his citizenship (which is why he’s now in Hawaii—to preserve the cover-up, not to visit his very ill grandmother).

Wading for a few minutes through the sewage of these Web sites reminds me uncannily of the time I’ve spent having political discussions in certain living rooms and coffee shops in Baghdad. The mental atmosphere is exactly the same—the wild fantasies presented as obvious truth, the patterns seen by those few with the courage and wisdom to see, the amused pity for anyone weak-minded enough to be skeptical, the logic that turns counter-evidence into evidence and every random piece of information into a worldwide conspiracy. Above all, the seething resentment, the mix of arrogance and impotent rage that burns at the heart of the paranoid style in politics.

The problem isn’t lack of education—it’s that of a self-isolating political subculture gone rancid. I heard an Iraqi engineer claim that American soldiers allowed Kuwaitis to steal hundreds of Iraqi cars as revenge for the first Gulf War. I heard a Shiite cleric argue that the Kerry campaign was behind suicide bombings. Bloggers like Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who peddled the Ayers theory, and Ann Althouse, a law professor who pushed the plastic-device story, hold diametrically opposed views to those of Islamists and Arab nationalists. But their habits of mind are just the same.

It will only get worse if Obama wins.

It will get worse, but it only matters if anyone outside of the crazy clique pays attention.

packer is otm. but the one thing out of all the muck that sticks with me -- a little -- are these questions about obama's small donors. i'm sure most of the small donors are legit; lots of my friends have made small donations, and as far as i know my friends are all real people. but i don't like that mccain discloses his small donors and obama doesn't. and it does sound like there are some basic credit-card security measures that aren't in place in obama's online system. there have been reports of this all year, and not just in the right-o-sphere.

anyway, based on the trajectory of assorted rightwing media, it looks like the fundraising and rezko are going to be among the last-ditch topics for this week. and assuming obama wins, i'm sure there'll be more agita about the fundraising, postfacto.

kinda otm

i mean, its a problem with the system and im sure O's campaign hasnt done anything wrong, but the fact that there is no way to check large donors making lots of very small donations is pretty weird

While I agree that this is an issue, the Times made it sound like this is basically around $40K of $150M (or was it $40K out of everything he's raised?) which kind of minimizes it's importance in my mind.

so, like, a bunch of soros types decided they were going to make 100,000s of dinky $100 credit card transactions with a bunch of different people and different cards to get the democrat elected, but the RNC couldn't figure this out? what?

there is no way to check large donors making lots of very small donations is pretty weird

I have a way to check that, it's called that would be insane, plus those people get busted all the time, especially democrats.

Another reader tells me Governor Palin called him "Barack the Spreader". You go, girl!

yeah i seriously doubt we're going to have some big scandal where it turns out $50 million in small donations really came from a casino operator in macau or whatever. and i know that the biggest part of the problem is that obama's processing so many donations, it's hard to keep on top of. but it does sound like their credit-card security measures are defaulted to the low side. (not that i know much about credit-card security.) and with any pile of money that big, some of it's gonna be dirty, there's no way around it. i'm not sure that effectively killing off the public financing system is going to seem like such a great idea a couple elections from now. but i guess we'll see. one nice thing for a president obama to do would be to try to figure some more techno-savvy kinds of campaign finance reforms and reporting requirements. mccain-feingold (which is hardly perfect anyway) was written for the pre-internet-fundraising age. if we're going to have half-billion-dollar campaigns, the existing regulations probably aren't sufficient.

I just keep wondering when the Jay-Z designed t-shirt that I bought on the Obama website's "Runway for Change" is going to arrive. Because I've only got nine more days to rock that shit.

Mona Is So Right ... [Cliff May]

...in her latest column when she says. “Democrats are so much better at placing blame.”

I love the total lack of self-awareness here.

Granted, it's Newsmax via McCarthy but:

Obama Campaign Bans TV Station For Asking Biden Hard Questions [Andy McCarthy]

From Newsmax:

Angry over a hard-nosed interview during which Barbara West of Orlando’s WFTV peppered Sen. Joe Biden with the kind of probing questions the pro-Obama mainstream media refuses to ask, the Obama campaign has completely banned the television station from future access and interviews.

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Biden was so disturbed by West's searching questions that the Obama campaign canceled a WFTV interview with Jill Biden, the candidate's wife. "This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best, for the duration of the remaining days until the election," wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign.

McGinnis said the Jill Biden cancellation was "a result of her husband's experience yesterday during the satellite interview with Barbara West."

During the interview, West asked Biden: "Aren't you embarrassed by the blatant attempts to register phony voters by ACORN, an organization that Barack Obama has been tied to in the past?"

Biden appeared flustered by the question, but quickly gained his composure and denied that Obama had been close to ACORN. Biden claimed that the campaign had not paid ACORN any money to register voters. West did not challenge Obama on this point, though during the Democratic primary in Ohio, the Obama campaign had, in fact, paid more than $800,000 to an ACORN-backed group. West did note that Obama has worked with this group in the past. (See: Obama and ACORN: You Can Run But You Can't Hide).

West again stung Biden, asking him about Obama's statement to Joe the plumber that he planned to "spread the wealth around."

West queried: "A Gallup poll showed 84 percent of Americans prefer the government focus on improving economic conditions and creating more jobs in the U.S., as opposed to taking steps that distribute wealth. Isn't Senator Obama's comment a potentially crushing political blunder?"

Dodging the question, Biden attacked the Bush economic and tax policies and Sen. John McCain's tax program. West bored in, quoting Karl Marx's "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," and asked Biden, "How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?"

Biden appeared stunned and asked, "Are you joking? Is this a joke?"

He then insisted that despite Obama's declaration that he would spread the wealth around, Obama "is not spreading the wealth around."

West then asked Biden about his now-famous statement that Obama would be tested and would not be able to stand up to the challenge without help. "Are you forewarning Americans that nothing will be done and that America's days as the world's leading power are over?" West asked. An obviously annoyed Biden responded by asking West who was writing her questions. West is a veteran TV news journalist who had worked as Peter Jennings' producer at ABC News. Biden responded that whoever is elected will be tested, and then attacked McCain's record.

West returned to the “spreading the wealth” question, asking Biden what he'd "say to the people who are concerned that Barack Obama will want to turn America into a socialist country much like Sweden?" Biden again ducked the question, saying only that he didn't know anybody who thinks that, "except the far-right wing of the Republican Party." ...

10/27 07:38 AM

They're actually trying to rep for Barbara Fucking West, Incredulous TV Hack Of The Year (No Matter What Side You're On)

emphasis mine

Clingin' [John J. Miller]

Wash Post:

Americans have cut back on buying cars, furniture and clothes in a tough economy, but there's one consumer item that's still enjoying healthy sales: guns. Purchases of firearms and ammunition have risen 8 to 10 percent this year, according to state and federal data.

10/27 10:11 AM

TGTBT (Kathryn Jean Lopez)

This day is for the history books: Jonah and I became Facebook friends. (He asked ... and was getting nervous because it had been a few days .... )

That's another way of saying: Jonah has a Facebook page. Evidently I do too.

ignorance bliss etc

Ted Stevens (Kathryn Jean Lopez)

has been found guilty.

I know that numbers in the Senate matter, but this is one seat I didn't care to win with. Republicans should have pressured him to resign long before today. But they, of course, didn't. And so here we are.

oh Klo's inbox today will be fresh

My god that's the first sensible thing I've ever seen her write?!?!

i just friended katie jean and jonah

(No longer is it acceptable to minimize the work of a community organizer.)

lol

Jonah has a Facebook page. Evidently I do too.

It's complicated.

Should I facebook friend K-lo?

Get them hooked on WordTwist.

Why bother? When Jonah starts losing he'll just quit the game to be with his "daughter".

Re: Projection Alert [Ramesh Ponnuru]

An email:

That's all Hitchens has got? Palin is an "ignoramus"—no, a "proud ignoramus"—because she's against earmarks and Hitchens thinks she "probably" believes things he doesn't? Anyone who describes himself as a "prayer warrior" is a bullying theocrat? His last line brings down the hammer on his own toe: "On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity." Because the Constitution takes a firm line against being a prayer warrior?

Yup, that's his argument—if religious bigotry and snobbery can be so called. And the "bullying" business is just more projection from the atheist Cotton Mather of our benighted age.

"the atheist Cotton Mather"

That is... I kind of wish I'd come up with that. That is hysterical.

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/10/shitstorm-flyer.jpg

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/27/whelan/

Gallup Tracking [Mona Charen]

Hmm. Gallup tracking has race almost even. Dow up 400.

10/28 03:07 PM

Not the Atlantic Monthly favorite poster thread, but I can't find that right now :(

Sullivan posted one of my emails on his blog! Yay!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/tzadik.html

"Hmm. Gallup tracking has race almost even. Dow up 400."

Haha yeah the model that no one in their right mind is taking seriously.

50-43 is "almost even"?

I'm sure she is looking at the Likely Voter Model that pretends it's 2004 and none of the newly registered voters are going to vote.

On a Brighter Note [Rich Lowry]

The McCain campaign says their internal polling still shows tightening, and their track shows them down three in the swing states. Fwiw...

10/28 06:14 PM

This is going to be exactly Like the K-Lo Sanatorium fiasco, isn't it

That one is 49-47 with a 2 pt margin of error.

"That one"

Sullivan posted one of my emails on his blog! Yay

Hahah, nice, I was just reading that.

The McCain campaign says their internal polling still shows tightening

"It's weird -- all the registered Republicans we talked to half support us."

Strange that this tightening STILL isn't reflected in external polling.

This is going to be exactly Like the K-Lo Sanatorium fiasco, isn't it

― Mordy, Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:48 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha what was this

Revive the 2006 Congressional election thread.

Basically K-Lo spent all day explaining that Sanatorium was going to win, even as the results came in showing him losing by a lot. She posted about a dozen times on it, until the other posters eventually told her to cool off.

And of course, I meant Santorum.

pa ground report [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

One Santorum volunteer I know reports knocking on 3oo doors in south central Penn. today, hearing most often: "These polls are absurd! I'm ready to show those media people how wrong they are!"

Oremus.

11/06 06:06 PM

Yeah. She really lost it.

should we send her a case of twinkies next wednesday y/n?

One Santorum volunteer

2008 [Mark Levin]

I'm going against today's conventional wisdom and suggesting that Rick Santorum and George Allen should consider running for the Republican presidential nomination. It certainly wouldn't be the first time politicians who've lost elections have run (and won) office. Indeed, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney have lost elections. Obviously, Richard Nixon lost for president in 1960 and governor of California in 1962.

I still consider Santorum and Allen among the best and most appealing conservatives on the scene. I believe Santorum has national appeal, despite his loss in Pennsylvania. And although Allen's campaign was knocked off stride, nobody will care much. After all, John McCain has overcome much worse, namely the Keating Five scandal; and Rudy Guiliani appears to have put his marital and health issues behind him.

And on the Democrat side, don't get me started. Suffice it to say that Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, John Kerry, et al, all carry baggage, and some of it pretty heavy.

11/10 03:11 PM

should we send her a case of twinkies next wednesday y/n?

I think she's turned to drugs.

I am gonna try and google some dirt on Santorum. gotta be something out there!

It Seems Unanimously Called Now [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I won't be writing the amazing Senator Santorum comeback piece.

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;_;

The Gathering Storm [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Now that it's past midnight, I begin my Santorum for SecDef campaign.

Rumsfeld will likely resign before year is out. And so ...

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should we send her a case of drugs next wednesday y/n?

Yes, and cut them with melamine.

and an three-year-old Steak and Ale baked potato.

*a

Kathleen Parker hasn't written for the Corner since she accused McCain of being horny. Did they fire her?

Re: 7th Inning Stretch [Andy McCarthy]

John J, I've been telling my 6-yr-old son that the games start after 830pm because these are games even the people in California want to watch so they can't be started at our usual 7pm time. But it's not making anyone around my house feel any better about it — that a kid who loved baseball and got deeply involved in it all year can't watch the World Series because it's on too late.

My one consolation: Naturally, all the kids at school want Obama. But when I told him yesterday that we would have been able to watch an inning or two tonight but Obama bought commercial time so the game is starting too late, he got pretty annoyed at The One. If all of Obama's support is this thin, McCain's got a real shot.

Who, after all, would want to watch the late innings of what could be the deciding game of the Fall Classic if you could watch Barack lecture us about Social Justice, Economic Justice, Redistributive Change, 95 percent gobbledygook tax relief for non-taxpayers, etc.

"If every voter acts like they're six years old and gets mad because The One is delaying the baseball, McCain's got a shot."

K-lo must be sharing her stash with Steyn:

Eye Caramba [Mark Steyn]

Jonah, you just don't get it, do you? Who ya gonna believe? Obama or your own lyin' eyes? There are none so blind as those who will not see and none so seeing as those who are blinded by the light. Americans want to move beyond the same tired old eyeballs. There are no red eyes or blue eyes, just red eyes gradually turning blue again all over America as they sober up after eight years of an almighty Bush-McCain bender that left them face down in a pool of vomit with a repossessed home and no health insurance. But, if you have got health insurance, why not get that Canadian laser eye surgery everyone raves about? It's amazing. On a clear day, rise and look around you, and you'll see who you are. On a clear day you can see Catalina, twinkling under a shimmering hazy tax cut for 95% of the American people just waiting to make landfall. On a really clear day you can see Europe, where all over the continent happy contented workers place their infants in government day care and then leave for six weeks' paid vacation. Obama is the Cyclops, and America is Jean Grey, back in her Marvel Girl days, if I recall correctly.

Anyway, don't make any cracks about Sammy Davis Jr's glass eye, because that's just racist, like Joe the Plumber.

And now if you'll pass the sharp pencil I think I'll remove my own ideological blinders.

Poor Steyn be mixin' his metaphors.

I am still trying to figure out what his x-men comparison is supposed to mean, but maybe that's a futile exercise.

Obama is the Cyclops, and America is Jean Grey, back in her Marvel Girl days, if I recall correctly.

wha-?

xp lol

omg mark steyn

that is like the time i kept a journal when i was tripping on mushrooms

without the weird scratches from when i couldnt figure out how to use the pencil

actually its more like a fiona apple album title

Is it worth asking him how the X-Men reference is supposed to tie into the rest of this? Is he implying Obama is going to pine gormlessly after America for years before working up the courage to court it? (He would have gotten more mileage out of referencing the first Phoenix storyline, where he could imply that America was begging Obama to destroy itself by voting for him.)

America wants to cheat on Obama with a short Canadian?

Gordon Brown better not be Emma Frost, that would be just gross.

ew

Wait is America going to turn into the Dark Phoenix?

If Obama is Cyclops and America is Marvel Girl, then McCain is Dr. Light and America is Sue Dibny.

oh snap

So What About the Obamacons? [Jonah Goldberg]

Several readers have asked, with varying degrees of charity of spirit, whether I still think the Obamacons are a phoney phenomenon. After thinking about it, I have to say I have changed my mind somewhat. The Obamacons have reached sufficient voice and number to be more than the "statistical noise" you get every election year. That said, I would still say that while the phenomenon isn't entirely phoney, I have a very hard time saying the same thing about the arguments the Obamacons use. I think the idea that there would be much that is recognizably conservative in an Obama presidency is absurd.

10/29 03:24 PM

'statistical noise'

I love how Goldberg strives for a tone of bemused detachment, like he conceives himself as an Associate Justice on the Supreme Court.