SHUT UP ALREADY: Ultimate 2008 US Presidential Election Thread For Whiners

get a faster computer, nerds

good luck usa

thanks, l0u1s jagg3r, we all appreciate it

still cant vote

change this socialist, terrorist title.

we can keep this one to a reasonable length if no one posts anything

just a suggestion

what sunny aren't you a REAL citizen yet?

hey

i

like

the

nerw thread title

opps i mean new

fake citizen - 'resident alien'

lol thread title

i still get to pay taxes and get hauled off to jail though YAY

http://www1.ecxmall.com/stores/familyestore/catalog/38680.jpg

under an obama administration we will be swamped by foreigners like sunny

gossip grrrrrl sez:

under an obama administration we will be swamped by foreigners like sunny

― mookieproof, Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tru

wait are the gossip girls for or against mccain? ive got no sound.

against. it's just one of the girls. and the guy.

should be posted to ILG, ha

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/236924.php

the guy is kind of a girl xp

i just emaild my friend who works for the company that serves those ads - he said the campaign is running on a bunch of games including madden

xp

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/obama-xbox.jpg

whaaaaaa?

wait, then who are the other people? I recognize the blonde girl and the first guy.

mark danner writes about the "sweet potato pie" rally in philadelphia:

http://www.nybooks.com/features/2008/10/danner

some of the writing is a little o_O

He seems slender and slight and young, astonishingly young, and you notice first of all, for it is impossible not to, the physical grace; he moves like an athlete much more than a politician, taking pleasure in his body: bursting up onto the stage, the lanky highly stylized movement, shoulders bent slightly concave, gathering everything into those constantly clapping hands, using the hands in their clapping to acknowledge the crowd, his head nodding all the while, as if he is drawing his energy only from them and showing that energy with his clapping and nodding, with the bursting energy of his body that is an embodiment of theirs, a picture of what they're giving him. He prances with evident pleasure around the little stage, moving his head in big theatrical nods, embracing each politician in turn, big full bodied embraces, and again one thinks of an athlete on the sidelines or in the dugout: all of it is done with the unhindered pleasure of the body, all of it says confidence and pleasure, as if this, being bathed in the huge cheers, taking sustenance and energy from the wave of sounds and the shouts of his name, is the place where he breathes his true oxygen, where he really lives. He seems made to be precisely here—in the midst of these thousands of sun drenched cheering people, on this perfect fall day. There is only him and them and what is between them. And then he approaches the podium.

but what really sticks out is this:

Everything else they [the "national campaign audience"] would never see. It existed only for the several thousand cheering people in Vernon Park on that bright morning in Germantown. They would never see, for instance, Obama's riff on sweet potato pie.

because that little riff made it to youtube! like half a dozen times! some of the videos are halfway making fun of him for it, like this one:

collectively, the pie riff has been watched more than 300k times, and i couldn't even find the hand-held one that's on the old thread (rip). it's an article crying out for some blogger to take on and talk about new media blah blah blah as i have just done

this election is so over

should change thread title to "Measuring the Drapes in the Oval Office 2008 Anticipation Thread"

interview with "he's an arab" woman

should change thread title to "Measuring the Drapes in the Oval Office 2008 Anticipation Thread"

Seconded

I have read that some who were there (I think Ana Marie Cox was one?) say that the woman actually said "Arab terrorist" and for reason the "terrorist" part was either cut off or the sound dropped or something. Has anyone else heard about that?

i for one am sick of these "gotcha" interviews with people who are unprepared to give straight answers because they are stupid, ignorant, and easily manipulated.

Anyway, the only consolation is that people who are retarded enough to believe shit like that were probably already voting Republican, if they're voting at all

meth is a helluva drug

ok that was mean but whatever fuck these people

rest assured someone's driving that dumbass to the polls on election day lolz

the ballad of timothy pettigrew

http://ncronline3.org/drupal/files/images/10172008p07pha.jpg

lol "Footloose" blasting in the background

lol at "Footloose" in the background

xp

Obama camp runs radio ads in Wisconsin and Colorado focusing on the Ayers attacks:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obamas_Ayers_ad.html?showall

u kno that woman points out, in a way, that the boomers were wrong (the stereotypical liberal boomer, anyway). there is only a very minor "change in consciousness" except through generation cohort change. even then, shitty ideas and objectively shitty people persist. what did mark s say once, way back when: the english civil war is not over? yeah, well, it's true here too.

at a certain point there's nothing that can be said to some people, and not much to be said about them. they just have to lose. tombot otm.

i think dan savage said something once to someone who wrote in to him about how his parents were being vicious to him now that he'd come out of the closet. he was trying to figure a way to get back on good terms with them and savage was like, "fuck them, cut them out, marginalize them, forget them". kinda otm w/r/t these types of people too imo.

Anchorage Daily News on Palin's response to Branchflower

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html

http://palinaspresident.com/

McCain will bring up Ayers at debate

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14564.html

Sounds like a great plan

Obama camp runs radio ads in Wisconsin and Colorado focusing on the Ayers attacks:

Concise and effective, I think.

KILL HIM at the Palin rally in Scranton

http://www.scrantontimes.com/articles/2008/10/14/news/doc48f4ba8994588930223377.txt

http://whall.org/blog/files/lolcats-finish-him.jpg

OOOOH JUST LIKE THE MOVIE NATIONAL TREASURE

McCain is such a tool. "Why are you accepting the endorsement (by Mrs. Annenberg) of someone who funnelled $50M to a group associated with a person you consider a terrorist, Senator?"

"We've got to get ourselves out of this hole. When you're in a hole what do you do to get out? You quit digging."

JFTR that does not actually get you out of the hole, GOVERNOR.

Start digging sideways

Stop digging start grooving

tunnel to nowhere

break a sewer line, wait for hole to fill with effluence

Rising tide lifts all boats, etc...

"Dig UP, stupid!"

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html :D

Country band The Farmer's Daughter is performing for the standing-room-only crowd. They played a version of the Lynyrd Skynyrd anthem "Sweet Home Alabama" but substituted "Pennsylvania" in the lyrics.

uh, what did they do for all the other lyrics in that song? ("In Philadelphia they love Governor Rendell?" doesn't quite work)

sure it does, Shakey Mo

they just sang "ni**er" over and over again

^^ kill him

lolololol

http://www.wolfenstein3d.co.uk/KillHim2ts.gif

Mackro, why ever did you have to create a link in my brane between 'kill him' and 'bj'? So not cool.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-78507158105148_2024_6289581950

blame wolfenstein3D fan

christ, more of this bullshit, and this is from yesterday: http://thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/10/14/news/doc48f4ba8994588930223377.txt

Each time the Republican candidate for the seat in the 10th Congressional District mentioned Barack Obama the crowd booed loudly.

One man screamed "kill him!"

if I may be so callous, the only benefit to this is that swing voters are going to be more and more disgusted by mccain

After the line "In Birmingham they love the governor" they sing, "Boo! Boo! Boo!" -- Skynyrd wanted to make it clear that they didn't support Wallace.

So yeah, technically, changing it to Rendell would've worked. Not that it makes the misappropriation of the song any less nauseating.

its just the flip of the Republicans vilifying the "loony left" - they have their own unattractive lunatics that are now the core of their party.

(x-post)

So I guess the Friday thing in Minnesota where McCain was correcting the audience was just him playing the EVIL John McCain from Episode 557 Season 2.

altho the image of McCain yelling at his audience in a rally "GET A LIFE! You! Over there in the red shirt. Have you ever kissed a girl?" brings lulz

no, see Obama's NOT an Arab, but he IS a terrorist!

http://obama.3cdn.net/b889b999c93e7660f4_d0gmvywkn.jpg

O_<

mccain: "oo oo oo i'm just the right height"

(sorry)

Start digging sideways

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/dig_dug.jpg

"world's sweatiest obama supporter" amirite

I wondered why the OTHER election thread hadn't appeared in two hours. Lookit all I missed!

Symmetry required gabbneb to warn me.

today at that scranton rally this woman standing behind palin had a sign that said "NOV.4 ELECT HER!"

It was Angela.

^^ :D

Actually, "Sweet Home Philadelphia" works pretty damn well! Just change Muscle Shoals to TSOP or something.

Well I heard mister Young sing about her
Well, I heard ole Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
Philadelphia man don't need him around anyhow

NOW TROOPERGATE DOES NOT BOTHER ME

sweet home philadelphia
where the steaks are cheese

wow, Barack O'Lanterns.

http://yeswecarve.com/index.php

A+ to the Obama team for holiday tie-ins.

CBS/NYT: O 53 / M 39

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/cbsnyt-poll-preempt.html

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/14/mccain_transition_chief_aided_saddam_lobbying_effort.html

i love the little squares in Nebraska leaning not quite red

From the comments :)

This is a potential response to any attack McCain might throw at Obama about Ayers.

"I have repeatedly condemned, John, what William Ayers did. I have yet, however, to hear you condemn the efforts of your Transition head, who lobbied on behalf Saddam Hussein to reduce sanctions. I was appointed by a Republican, who supports you, I might add, to a bipartisan board where William Ayers also happened to serve. You personally appointed a man who lobbied on behalf of somebody you yourself call a mass murderer to head up your transition should you win the Presidency. Frankly, John, I don't think it's my judgement we should be questioning."

Nice

That works for me.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/14/poll-record-high-for-wrong-track-rating/

In addition to neutralizing the sting of the Ayers accusations (to all but the most rabid base), it also shows that McCain just isn't that smart about using what he has. Steady hand? Experienced? He still comes off as grumpy and feckless.

I doubt McCain's actually going to bring it up (precisely because it's going to be such a meaty pitch for Obama to cream.)

Who is the moderator on this one again?

Bob Schieffer

I doubt McCain's actually going to bring it up (precisely because it's going to be such a meaty pitch for Obama to cream.)

yr forgetting that McCain is an inept idiot

McCain has a hard time confronting Obama personally on anything. Does anyone believe he's really going to go into attack mode sitting at the same table with him?

"yr forgetting that McCain is an inept idiot"

This is part of the reason I don't think he'll actually bring it up.

SAY IT TO MY FACE JOHN

Sorry, just still daydreaming about that happening.

He's going to talk about Kevin Ayers instead.

"Wow, that guy is a HIP-PIE!"

No seriously though. I think McCain's gonna pull a Daddie Yankee out of his pants

a what?

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Daddy_Yankee_umvd012.jpg

Jeez, just when I thought David Blain couldn't get any more douchey.

No, really, I'm still confused. John McCain has Puerto Ricans in his pants?

yes

the ayers thing is win-win for obama. the GOP base thinks its some magic bullet but its not.

if mccain doesnt bring it up he's gonna look like a pussy. if he does bring it up, obama will deflect it easily. if he brings it up in a way in which obama cant react (like at the end of the debate or whatever; i have seen this tactic being mentioned a lot in the last few days) he'll look like a pussy.

i hope obama wins

McCain should bring it up in a secret code that only Republicans will understand. Then, when Obama doesn't recognize that he's being confronted in code, he can be rightfully berated for not being in touch with a code that a good chunk of the electorate understands.

One problem with this tactic: McCain needs to figure out a way to reveal his secret code to likely Republican voters. By 9PM EST tomorrow. Other than that - it's solid.

i know you're being funny, but if he does something like say "pal around with terrorsists" **nervous, toothy grin, jerk head in obama's direction, shrug shoulders, look at moderator** without mentioning Ayers, he'll look like a pussy too

mccain's problem is that whenever i see him "talking tough" to a candidate's face, he gets nervous and twitchy and simmering.

Whoa. Conservative Ross Douthat lets it rip on the Corner-ites:

Suppose that you accept the most cynical account of, say, Peggy Noonan's uncertainty about whom to vote for in this election, or Christopher Buckley's Obama endorsement - that they're just craven, self-interested bandwagon jumpers who want to keep getting invited to all those swanky cocktail parties I keep hearing about. Suppose that you regard every right-of-center writer - or single-issue fellow traveler with the Bush Republicans, in the case of Christopher Hitchens - who's publicly hurled brickbats at the McCain campaign as a quisling and a coward, a stooge for liberalism and a rat fleeing a fast-sinking ship. In such circumstances, what's the best course of action - denouncing the rats, or trying to figure out why the hell the ship is sinking? Even if Brooks and Noonan and Buckley and Dreher and Kathleen Parker and David Frum and Heather Mac Donald and Bruce Bartlett and George Will and on and on - note the ideological diversity in the ranks of conservatives who aren't Helping The Team these days - are all just snobs and careerists who quit or cavil or cover their asses when the going gets tough and their "seat at the table" is threatened, an American conservative movement that consists entirely of those pundits with the rock-hard testicular fortitude required to never take sides against the family seems like a pretty small tent at this point. And if I were Hanson or Levin or Steyn I'd be devoting a little less time to ritual denunciations of heretics and RINOs, and at least a little more time to figuring out how to build the sort of ship that will make the rats of the DC/NY corridor want to scramble back on board, however much it makes you sick to have them back. Who knows? It might just be the sort of ship that swing-state voters will want to climb on board as well.

xpost
Yeah, I was just goofing. I'm with you - and really it's the same situation as when it looked like he might have to respond to Obama's "Say it to my FACE!" challenge - he's screwed no matter which way he does or doesn't do it. The difference is that Obama's comment could be ignored (and McCain successfully ignored it), whereas the buildup of the Ayers dilemma (will he or won't he mention it?) is McCain's own fault.

Just watched "Panorama: Obama and the Pitbull: An American Tale" on BBC iPlayer. It was touted in trailers as Inexperienced Unknown vs All American Supermom but it looks like by the time the put it together they saw how the wind was blowing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dzyg0/Panorama_Obama_and_the_Pitbull_An_American_Tale/ (might not be available outside UK)

In a 29 minute show 20 minutes are devoted to Obama's rise through Chicago politics. Then Sarah Palin in unveiled. Within 6 minutes they're showing Tina Fey on SNL and saying that Palin "abused her position of power" and the talking heads are writing her off. So what you get is a quite interesting Obama docu with a bit of Palin added for balance. McCain barely gets a mention.

thank u englande

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-14/sorry-dad-i-was-fired

did someone already post this?

Over on the Corner thread, yes.

Re: A sinking ship gathers no Ross [Andy McCarthy]
Mark, as we build that "sort of ship," did Ross explain how our big government bribe is going to be more attractive to voters than their big government bribe?

xpost - what is a RINO ?

Republican In Name Only.

Johnston speaks about Bristol Palin, Obama, baby
By ADAM GOLDMAN – 12 hours ago
WASILLA, Alaska (AP) — Levi Johnston, who's having a baby with Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter, can't believe all the things he's hearing. No, he wasn't held against his will on the campaign trail. No, he's not being forced into a shotgun wedding with 17-year-old Bristol Palin.
"None of that's true," Johnston, 18, said in a rare interview with The Associated Press. "We both love each other. We both want to marry each other. And that's what we are going to do."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLfYvegyheYrdCbsvJ7C50HKnDLQD93PQ8H80

LOL @ "it wasn't me!" -> For starters, he said his much-maligned MySpace page was a joke — the one that claimed he said: "I'm a ... redneck," and "I don't want kids." Johnston said his friends created the page a few years ago and he had nothing to do with it.

insert joke here: Last July on a caribou hunt he lost a "promise" ring that Palin had given him. He said he decided to tattoo her name on the finger and not bother with more rings because he'd just lose them anyway.

is anyone else watching the "choice 08" thing on pbs?

ryan lizza is a DEAD RINGER for the dude who played tommy carcetti!

he and his gf are apparently the most respectable and mature of the whole bunch.

xpost

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US Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) laughs after he was mistaken for Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) at the Maumee Bay Resort in Oregon, Ohio, October 14, 2008.

That darn terrorist, I tell ya.

God, do cameras ever love this guy.

OLBERMANN SPECIAL COMMENT

I dunno, that's some borderline cuttyhorse.jpg if I've ever seen one.

THAT'S RACi... oh, forget it.

obama is so great GUYS I LOVE OBAMA

Those pics that gr8080 posted are genuinely touching. HE'S GONNA BE OUR PREZ YOU GUYS

what psycho on earth would rather have a beer with mccain??? NO ONE THATS WHO!

I just love this.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07QU7hKcu6bUq/610x.jpg

Dude is STOKED.

this is going to be me walking into the booth nov. 4th^^^

that is going to be 99% of washington dc the night of nov. 4th

yeah i'm gonna keep a tally of the grins on the way out the booth

I know I posted this one in the last thread, but it's my favorite and is my current wallpaper:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2rxcnz8.jpg

Meanwhile, people are actually booing McCain at his rallies.

the obama/biden vs mccain tax calculator that went up today is pretty cool and pretty much squashes down all this mccain bullshit about your taxes going up.

http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/775kg/every_single_2008_nobel_laureate_endorses_barack/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01009/colin_powell_460_1009487c.jpg

yahhh trick yahhh

JOCKIN C-P JOCKIN C-P

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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/14/buckley-leaves-national-review-after-obama-endorsement/

maybe we're seeing the death of this bullshit conservativism finally.

oops. well the flash youtube link still works.

just watched all 2 hours of the Frontline thing on TV and its already up online for free:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/

pretty dope, imo.

i didnt know much about Obama's Harvard Law Review days or his failed run for Congress in 2000. A++++ will watch again. love you Frontline.

Mark S may have said that the English Civil War was not over, but that don't make it so. He is a very bright fellow indeed but I'm afraid he had a penchant for making statements like this which were false yet became ringingly endorsed and repeated by generations of ilxors.

Obama did enjoy that pie moment. It felt very old-fashioned somehow, that folksy campaign style.

well if the english civil war is over, are you guys a monarchy or not?

If that line of attack had been used recently and Obama was performing closely or poorly enough to worry about such things, I'd say the pie episode may have been Obama attempting to prove himself to have a sense of humor to combat the ivory tower image some have tried to push, with the folksiness of it tieing into that, too. Whatever was the motivation, it was pretty damned bizarre.

There is a continuum through history english civil war-> American war of independence-> american civl war all being fought along similar themes, individual and local rights vs centralised entities and this still get's played out in US elections. (See 'The Cousins Wars' for 400 pages on this subject)

(re: pie story)
I liked the initial exchange with the proprietor.
"I hear you're a die-hard Republican?"
"That's right."
"How's business?"

http://i37.tinypic.com/2us8hu0.gif

From http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411750_updated_candidates_summary.pdf (Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates’ Tax Plans)

"They do not include any spending reductions proposed by the candidates" - uh - so, I'm not really an expert on this stuff, but to me that sounds offhand like "so they're totally meaningless." Help?

The United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) does have a monarch and a Royal Family, yes. They have their own website!
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp

There are important relations between all kinds of historical events. That doesn't mean that the English Civil War is not over. Though maybe I can understand the appeal of thinking or claiming otherwise!

first line of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War:
"The English Civil War (1641-1653) (though there is some argument and disagreement about this)"

Oh no! Argument and disagreement! Oh no!

"They do not include any spending reductions proposed by the candidates" - uh - so, I'm not really an expert on this stuff, but to me that sounds offhand like "so they're totally meaningless." Help?

The figures still hold plenty of meaning in terms of how much (or how little) will be raised in taxes and how much of an impact that will have on any spending plans.

McCain's off-the-cuff "freeze spending on everything except blowing shit up" might have to become a reality if he's to avoid taking the deficit through the roof (not that his plans will matter, if the polls are to be believed).

watching the frontline thing now; I'm pretty excited about obama being president

it's an exciting prospect no?

"They do not include any spending reductions proposed by the candidates"

i suspect it's really just a healthy dose of cynicism. politicians (even the 'honest', hellawezome ones) and "spending reductions" is a myth on par with the yeti, loch ness monster, etc.

even so, I will be forwarding the link to several several little 'c' conservative (but otherwise sane) folks who like O, but are skittish about his lol tax & spend rep. Of course the Brookings Inst. collab is likely to elicit a sneer...

http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061778728/Terminatrix/index.aspx

Love this election, love this country.

AHAHAHAHA Nicole, nice to know the Christmas Cistern Classic Collection market is thriving off the back of this election.

Before y'all start doing the cabbage patch and engage in permiscuous sex, here's something for your paranoia:

You know that millions of new voters have registered to vote in this election. And they're disproportionately Democrats. So Republicans across the country are pulling out every stop to disqualify as many of those voters as possible or gum up the works with procedural delays they're not eligible to vote on election day.

They just had a big victory in Ohio.

The court ruling applies to more than 600,000 new registrations in Ohio. And there's some question whether the new ruling can even be put into effect in time for the November election.

ohio is such a shitfuck of a state
im going there to volunteer next week for obama

might as well take advantage of being unemployed in this economy amirite

At my university, you get a slice of pizza for voting. Make sure it's Papa John's, deej.

It's an eye opener to see the ignorance of so many Obama upporters..
many of them cult-like followers, ignorant of the facts, who cannot explain or justify their positions.. reacting on a purely emotional basis detached from facts and reality. Sad really, but typical

lolz

Excellent Greenwald column today.

Moreover, it's far from clear which version of Barack Obama will end up governing -- the cautious and principle-free centrist who sought out Joe Lieberman's mentorship and then endorsed him over an anti-war Democratic insurgent; the high-minded and establishment-challenging change agent of the Democratic primary; or the bland establishment figure of the general election seeking to minimize, even erase, every difference he has with Republicans. I doubt he even knows, but there are some possibilities that are quite bad (though, if he wins, he's certainly entitled to actually do things before being assessed one way or the other).

Yeah, I'm sure after Obama wins the first thing he's gonna do is call up his old pal Joe Lieberman and ask for advice.

this hyperbolic pwning shtick - greewalds not that good at it - he was so much better writing abt constitutional issues

it was a niche! a niche of his own!

i do like him crusading against self appointed media kingpins like balz

yeah that balz bullshit over the weekend re: obama needs to be vetted now that he's winning was some bullshit

yah but its also like ok ok i get it fuck a update VI

Wait wait wait is McCain actually pre-emptively claiming he'll potentially lose Florida because of VOTER FRAUD?

Work with what you know.

Talk about a Mickey Mouse operation.

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http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/10/15/499websitegrabrepublicanpagehighlig.jpg

Mark S may have said that the English Civil War was not over, but that don't make it so. He is a very bright fellow indeed but I'm afraid he had a penchant for making statements like this which were false yet became ringingly endorsed and repeated by generations of ilxors.

mark's point, should he not return to explain himself, was that the conflicts we are in today flow from the unresolved conflicts of the past. how much life in contemporary england is informed by the specifics of the english civil war, i have no idea, and it wasn't the point of half-quoting Mr. S. anyway -- american life is still for damn sure informed by the specifics of the american civil war.

to wit:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/15/us/politics/15biracial.html?_r=1&oref=login

“He’s neither-nor,” said Ricky Thompson, a pipe fitter who works at a factory north of Mobile, while standing in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart store just north of here. “He’s other. It’s in the Bible. Come as one. Don’t create other breeds.”

...

“I would think of him as I would of another of mixed race,” said Glenn Reynolds, 74, a retired textile worker in Martinsdale, Va., and a former supervisor at a Goodyear plant. “God taught the children of Israel not to intermarry. You should be proud of what you are, and not intermarry.”

Mr. Reynolds, standing outside a Kroger grocery store, described Mr. Obama as a “real charismatic person, in that he’s the type of person you can’t really hate, but you don’t really trust.”

Other voters swept past such ambiguities into old-fashioned racist gibes.

“He’s going to tear up the rose bushes and plant a watermelon patch,” said James Halsey, chuckling, while standing in the Wal-Mart parking lot with fellow workers in the environmental cleanup business. “I just don’t think we’ll ever have a black president.”

Ha -- I was about to post it. Reading the stories in the paper version side by side is...jarring.

oh if only john mccain weren't so noble...

do any of these people really believe rev. wright is going to work for them at this point? or is this just to provide some cover? "we coulda won the thing, but our hands were tied by john mccain's fundamental decency." either way, i expect we'll get a wright rehash from some quarter because we've still got 3 weeks to fill and what else is left?

everything points toward the conclusion that mccains negative antics are working against him - but yah what the fuck else is he gonna come up w/at this point

“I’ve always been against the blacks,” said Mr. Rowell, who is in his 70s, recalling how he was arrested for throwing firecrackers in the black section of town. But now that he has three biracial grandchildren — “it was really rough on me” — he said he had “found out they were human beings, too.”

um

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/13/081013taco_talk_editors

its always tough to find out people are human beings

well if the english civil war is over, are you guys a monarchy or not?

Don't be dense, Tom. They have a monarch who dares not use much of the prerogative left to her. Not only did Parliament win, but the Commons are dominant therein.

her ministers of states wield that prerogative mightily.

of state

honestly this constant trotting out of weirdo redneck dipshits....i dunno....honestly, let's say it's a close race that plays out similar to the last two...the people obama can win over I guarantee are NOT some dude that's spouting some "children of israel" shit....it's not like that's some independent voter, i'd guarantee these dudes have voted republican

are they really being trotted out as swing voters - more like lol racist people like mccain

The article about Ohio in the New Yorker is excellent.

xp - well more like lol racist people like palin so vote mccain and hope he dies

Indeed, Michael:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/13/081013fa_fact_packer

“These days, you have to struggle,” she said. “As a kid, I used to be able to go to the movies or to the zoo. Now you can’t take your children to the zoo or go to the movies, because you’ve got to think how you’re going to put food on the table.” Snodgrass’s parents had raised four children on two modest incomes, without the ceaseless stress that she was enduring. But the two-parent family was now available only to the “very privileged.” She said that she had ten good friends; eight of them were childless or, like her, unmarried with kids. “That’s who’s middle-class now,” she said.
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“Two parents, two kids? That’s over. People looked out for me. These kids nowadays don’t have nobody to look out for them. You’re one week away from (a) losing your job, or (b) not having a paycheck.”

Nice juxtaposition, New Yorker.

stay classy, california gop:

http://www.sacbee.com/812/story/1314854.html

The Bee asked MacGlashan about the content after seeking his reaction to hate-filled graffiti that was spray-painted over an Obama display on a fence at Fair Oaks Boulevard and Garfield Avenue.

In recent weeks, MacGlashan, an attorney, joined local Democratic party officials in condemning vandalism to political displays.

The vandalism to the Obama display appeared to have been done overnight Monday. A racial epithet, profanity, "KKK" and the words "white power" were clearly visible from the roadway. Six of the nine fence panels were defaced.

"What you are describing to me is not free speech, it's vandalism. We don't condone it," MacGlashan said.

But he defended his Web site. "I'm aware of the content," he said. "Some people find it offensive, others do not. I cannot comment on how people interpret things."

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2008/10/14/19/400-websitegrab-republicanpage.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.JPG

Note to GOP, you don't have a big enough base to win this way. Iow, you're not only hate-filled swine but you're cretins as well.

doctorfixit wrote on 10/15/2008 09:15:24 AM:

The Alliance of LIberal Fascism And Islamo-Fascism.

Let's look at some of the many common characteristics of Liberal Fascism as practiced by the Democrat Party USA, and Islamo-Fascism as practiced by their allies in the Muslim world:

1. Hatred for western religion and culture.

2. Ignorance of, and mistrust of, generally accepted economic principles.

3. Heavy reliance on autocratic judge-figures without any accountibility.

4. Stoking of hatred and blame among the most ignorant.

5. Vigorous and pervasive propaganda.

6. Violent suppression of any dissent.

7. Authoritarianism combined with ideology at the highest levels.

8. Vehement rejection of any competing ideas.

9. Indoctrination of the young at government schools.

10. Rigged, sham "elections".

11. Concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few families at the top.

mark's point, should he not return to explain himself, was that the conflicts we are in today flow from the unresolved conflicts of the past. how much life in contemporary england is informed by the specifics of the english civil war, i have no idea, and it wasn't the point of half-quoting Mr. S. anyway -- american life is still for damn sure informed by the specifics of the american civil war

To say that today's conflicts flow from those of the past is almost a truism. It is certainly at least partially true. It is so truistic that it not really the kind of thing that Mark S, as a very clever contrarian and perversophile, likes to be caught saying.

I'm sure that the UK today is indeed very deeply informed and shaped by the events of the C17 - and the C13, C14, C15, C16, C18, C19, C20 and C21, too.

As for your racism extract, it certainly shows that racist attitudes persist, but I don't think that such attitudes are / were at all the product of the US Civil War. It might make as much sense to say that that war helped (over the very long term) to end such attitudes (this is not supposed to be a complacent statement, nor one idealizing the Northern side in the war or anyone else). In any case, those racist attitudes predate the US civil war.

Raggett's occasional droll interventions make me chuckle!

tb; dr^^

did nobody catch that "Glenn Reynolds" is the name of that instapundit fuck?

Who is Glenn Reynolds, Tom?

he's that instapundit fuck

hes a fuck, that instapundit, glen reynolds

too many glenns

yeah that's kind of a funny coincidence huh, there being two fucks, out there, named glenn reynolds

MW, the only check on the house of commons - which by definition is of the same party as the prime minister - is the unelected house of lords (which has handed labour two consecutive defeats on the most draconian provisions of their anti-terrorism bill) - i would call this arrangement very suboptimal and in fact i just did

I thought it was funny.

gay, homo, house, glen, reynolds, instapundit, fuck

Not the britishes excuse for bicamerality. I meant the GR thing

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THEM BOYS IS MISCEGENATED

i have been told by an absent mark s that "the english civil war will end when the snakes return to ireland and tom tildrum is king of the cats once more"

its ya boy
that instapundit fuck

"the only difference between obama and osama is b.s." doesn't seem very well thought-out ... doesn't it imply that one of the two isn't full of b.s.?

that's what I do when confronted with numbskull bigotry, think about how they use logic and language badly

maybe they mean that any purported difference is BS

guys how do you think the results of the canadian election yesterday will impact this mccain thing

you guys had an election?

I can't find canadia on a map

i would call this arrangement very suboptimal and in fact I just did

I'm not sure I agree with you. I don't have much time for hereditary peerage or Bishops in government but a House of Lords filled with venerable old party stalwarts and whatnot isn't an entirely useless institution and since the Parliament Act of 1911, the Commons' supremacy has been pretty secure.

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xp - has any U.S. TV Media covered the Canadian election? I'd be surprised, even if the election changed Canada from minority Conservative.

canada has elections? i thought they were ruled by england

Change [Cliff May]

One reason Republicans lost the 2004 congressional elections: Corruption, e.g. Duke Cunningham (financial) and Mark Foley (sexual).

Four years later there are allegations of corruption on the Democratic side, e.g. Charlie Rangel (financial) and Tim Mahoney (sexual).

And this appears not to be harming Democrats at the polls not one little bit. Discuss among yourselves.

10/15 12:38 PM

these guys are so whiny these days

i thought cananda had the whoever kills the most seals gets the biggest igloo system or whatever

yeah but canada is an island--therefore they must be ruled by a queen. it's in the constitution

nah its parliamentary

ask slocki, hes the MP of canadian jewry

MW i didn't call the house of lords useless and in fact just mentioned an incredibly useful thing they did - stop the labour majority in the commons from passing draconian "anti-terror" legislation - but the fact that the only people standing in the way of legislation like this is RICH OLD DUDES who weren't even elected is fucking bonkers

"these days"

L: Hey girl, it’s me.

K: Hi Lisa! Is everything okay?

L: I have to stop watching the news. This financial crisis is making me crazy. I only understand one in three sentences.

K: I know what you mean. I’m dreading the arrival of my 401(k) statement. So what’s another five years of work? 70 is the new 40, right?

L: Let’s keep telling ourselves that. I’ll tell you what really has me mad. Apparently this whole thing could have been prevented if Congress had done something about the two big companies behind the whole mess.

K: You mean Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

L: Yeah. They were making a lot of money on bad mortgages and counting on us to bail them out if things went bad. John McCain tried to put a stop to it.

K: Really? What did Obama do?

L: Nothing. He knew where his bread was buttered.

K: Let me guess: He got a lot of money from the guys in charge?

L: Bingo. He was near the top of their list for campaign contributions.

K: So now you can’t sleep at night.

L: I wonder how Obama can.

----------------------

K: Hi Lisa, it’s me. Do you have a minute?

L: Yeah, I’ve got a few minutes. What’s up? You sound stressed.

K: Our CEO announced this morning that they’re switching health care plans to save the company money. I’m trying not to panic.

L: Oh geez. Do you think it’s going to be bad?

K: (Sigh) Well, the paperwork isn’t looking good. Dr. Clarkson isn’t in their plan. You know how long it took me to find a doctor I like? Not to mention it looks like my co-pay will be higher. That will make all those visits to the pediatrician even more of a pleasure…

L: Kelly, I’m sorry. It’s so unfair. Doesn’t it seem like we should at least be able to choose our own doctor?

K: You know, McCain keeps talking about giving patients the power to make these decisions themselves. I think that’s the only way to fix this mess. Do you know any woman who wants to be told which doctor she can see? No wonder Sarah Palin gets it.

L: And doesn’t Obama want the government to run our health care?

K: Yes. What an insane idea. It’ll be like being sick and going to the DMV at the same time!

-----------------------

Lisa: Hi Kelly. Sorry I missed your call. What’s up?

Kelly: I’ve been talking with John about the latest polls I keep hearing about.

Lisa: Yeah, until they change – which they seem to every week – looks like a Democratic sweep, right?

Kelly: Right. But it seems to me there should be a balance. One party would control the White House and Congress, which in Washington is everything. Don’t we want one party keeping an eye on the other?

Lisa: Or at least an independent voice in there somewhere.

Kelly: Right. That’s one thing I like about McCain—he’s willing to disagree with his own party. Meanwhile, Obama seems to agree with the Democrats and all their liberal interest groups on everything.

Lisa: Politicians do seem to have trouble keeping honest even when the other side is looking over their shoulder.

Kelly: Yeah, he could just be a rubber stamp for a Democratic congress.

Lisa: You think it could get worse if one party runs everything?

Kelly: Remember I’m Irish. I always think things can get worse. And a rubber stamp could definitely be worse.

Is that from 90210?

More like that spike tv show where they get people to vomit.

which one

Hey, at least they admit their constituents are idiots.

Remember I’m Irish. I always think things can get worse.

LOL WTF?

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama.jpg

Just got this from college:

Dear Colleagues,

We will be erecting a large TV screen in Hall on the morning of 5
November and serving a US style Breakfast from 0730 to 0930 (Washington
DC 0230 to 0430) so that you can catch up on this very important moment
in history.

There will be further publicity.

Yours,

Martin

M4rtin Jackson
Bursar
St Anne's College
OXFORD
OX2 6HS

What is a US-style breakfast?

baby guts

freedom fries

Crisco

bald eagle omelette

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They have having a general erection.

btw xp

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They erecting a, etc, breakfast

When GOP consultants realize they're going down.

AMABO '80

I want the government to take over all of Wall Street and bankers and the car companies and Wal-Mart run this county like we used to when Reagan was President."

hahahaha lolz wtf

'A running conversation'

What an utter prick.

http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/palinenthusiasm.jpg

whats w/ the girl from the ring on that guys' shirt

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

whoa

she has arms like tom cruise in tropic thunder

That Palin shirt is AMAZING

I wonder what's on the back?

WANT

My eyeballs are bleeding.

Oh man, if you had airbrushed pants to go with it, with Palin's legs on there...

it would be like palin had no torso, just a head and legs. like that lady.

well i guess she does have a torso but it is all palin head

...I know, and that would be awesome! It would look like a Spore creature.

i wonder if they had an airbrushing stand outside the rally and that's where they both got the shirts

the drudge report has been absolutely fascinating the past three weeks. after an obvious respect/like of obama for most of the campaign, he has recently gone hard right again, but with a very specific purpose: de-legitimizing a probable obama presidency. there are three fronts to this: a) acorn, so saying that obama is stealing the election (see also: the jfk story ("he needed his daddy to steal wv for him") and clinton in '92 ("he couldn't even win a majority of the country")); b) tweaking very, very hard that obama is the media candidate, and that everyone is in the tank for him (this phrasing: OBAMA CAMPAIGN ISSUES TALKING POINTS TO MEDIA AHEAD OF DEBATE, which is so cleverly and carefully done; also today there's the way Drudge highlights poll numbers: in citing the 14 point lead, Drudge opens with NYT/CBS poll which of course brands it suspect, and that's paired with a cherrypicking of polls that aren't awful for McCain); c) pretending that the economy is perfectly fine -- negative news is pushed aside, "positive" news pushed up front, always a graph somewhere comparing the dow's raw numbers today to what it was in 1740 ("dow up 10,000 points in last 200 years!!!") and finally d) which is rebranding the democrats this year as the ones who are angry, who are lashing out, etc. a youtube video of one single dude walking down the street carrying mccain signs gets the headline: "SHOCK: NY LIBERALS SHOW FURY AT MCCAIN RALLY" and shit like that.

Anyway, all of this has been so premeditated, and to my eyes is trying to lead readers to an obvious conclusion: Obama stole this election. Even before it has happened, he's stolen it. And everything you fear about him will be true.

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Thanks for that post, YGS.

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NICE

lol awesome

...not very much money, after the campaign pays for the sign on their end.

lol signs are stupid. but well done, people.

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why is robin being played by chuck hagel?

biden has poopypants

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http://www.ridethatpony.com/yellowcard.jpg

ygs otm re drudge - ive been watching that shit w/utter fascination too

When GOP consultants realize they're going down.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 19:10 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

The next was a woman, late 50s, Democrat but strongly pro-life. Loved B. and H. Clinton, loved Bush in 2000. "Well, I don't know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I'm sick of paying for health insurance at work and that's why I'm supporting Barack."

haha! this is awesome!

shh! Nobody tell her.

i just voted :D

http://wonkette.com/403529/joe-biden-remembers-getting-cockblocked-from-threesome-in-college#more-403529

guys what the hell is he talking about. this guy!

he's talking about the early '60s. i think the girls were going to get something from their room before they all went to a diner and drank milkshakes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Joe_Biden,_official_photo_portrait_2.jpg

So missing Phil Hartman these days

gabbneb shut up and stop ruining everyone's good times also we're talking about joe biden -- i don't believe that for one hot second

this is going around:

there's a lot of complaining from the right that a few 'bad apples' in the mccain palin crowds are being picked out by the media. al jazeera -- even if you believe has some kind of sinister mission to make america look as horrible as possible -- doesn't have any trouble turning up one very bad apple after another. just by, like, going to events and talking to people, there they are.

"ordinary germans"

that's mean, schef

lolwhites

haha "a lot of people have forgotten about 9/11," for sure

i've been to st. clairsville! there is nothing.

McCain protests YouTube's removal of his campaign videos

which site has the best Electoral College simulations, polls... I lost the link

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

yahoo.com has EVERYTHING you need!

"obama and his wife: i'm concerned that they could be anti-white"

fair enough. what with you being so transparently anti-black an' all.

Being obsessive agaion this year, I have been regularly viewing:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/index.html

pollster.com

When Obama wins puppy dogs and college girls will never grow old.

I saw some thing on CNN last night where they were referring to an Oct 2-4 2000 poll showing Gore ahead by 11 points...? Gabbneb does this ring a bell with you? I don't remember Gore ever being ahead by that much, and maybe things are different now (electoral map distribution etc) but it was a bit disconcerting.

i thought gore was ahead until he sighed into the microphone that one time

the poll in question

yes heading into the second debate i think it was 45-45 or something along those lines

as always: looking at one poll = meaningless

It was one poll for one day. Look at the day before and the day after. Gore was never consistently ahead of Bush.

being anti-white=refusing to meet with PM of Spain?

Fivethirtyeight is pretty good at tracking direction

sweet debate footage^

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the tremor in her shoulder!

that things is lame and has already been posted multiple times - would be nice if we could keep this thread SFW thx

you know who won't tell you about his criminal connections? Bat one!

What?! Her cat was warm, Shakey.

xpost

"hey shakey, i saw you were lookin' at sarah palin's hot pussy just a second ago."

you know she's not really saying that right

Palin gif - NSFW

she's really saying "my juicebox is quivering at the very thought of delaware"

it's really not very funny and it doesn't get any funnier the 8 billionth time one of you 5 year olds decides to post it, i'm kinda with him tho this "it's nsfw" argument befuddles me.

What's with the Freemason's logo on the sign in the Al-Jazeera video @ 1:23?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/report_secret_service_investig.php

Secret Service now investigating "Kill Him!" person.

I know, which one, right?

http://www.newyorkology.com/archives/2008/10/presidential_sh.php

my pussy's so hot

Hey which cartoonist is now doing McCain as a sort of pale white blob?

http://phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jill/Assassins7.jpg

Toles? xp

Yes thank you Toles it is.

Is Assassins any good?

It was cute when I saw it 16 years ago.

If you judge it purely on the staging my department at Cal did, I would say that it sucks a lot. But perhaps real actors might elevate the material somewhat.

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I see even CNN has Obama past the winning post on their Electoral College calculator now (safes+leans); I thought they'd hold him back in the 260s right up until polling day. I guess the latest Virginia polls aren't very "toss-up".

There haven't been any numbers from Arkansas for a while but fivethirtyeight suggests that the next poll from there might be interesting. Let's not get carried away.

I look forward to the more distorted and weird looking "Jesusland" map for Election 2008.

Re: Arkansas: Shit, Dick Morris isn't crazy after all?

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http://yeswecanholdbabies.wordpress.com/

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(just trying to mix it up a bit)

the big tv buy goes forward. (they even rescheduled the world series for it...)

Big Baseball = in the tank for Obama

hey Chris Matthews stfu about making McCain's reach-across-the-aisle handjob an issue you obnoxious fuckwit

but hey go ahead and denigrate Obama by bringing up Jimmy Carter

That's an alarming use of the word 'interesting', Mike.

Biden: remixed

Just so McCain fans get their $.02 I'm going to post what they are saying:

with the exception of take from the rich give to the poor thing, conservatives have always endorsed lower taxes...
FOR ALL.
there is no reason to raise taxes on anyone.
especially to fill this class envy angle democrats enjoy.
higher taxes for anyone will result in bad economics.
if all people keep their wealth. business does better. 401ks yield better. everyone is happy.
but since the top 5% is a small voting block, democrats have used them to divide us. as a species we are naturally envious of what our neighbors have.
you have been used. politicians only want power.
liberals do not CUT TAXES. they lie to get elected and raise taxes to keep us all under the same mediocre umbrella.
i was a union man my whole life. what a dead end that is. no accountability, just security. and you cannot advance because you are not responsible and accountable for the work you perform.

Also, Communism takes away the incentive for people to get ahead. If a person who works 20% more than others, but ends up getting the same pay as the person who only works at 80%, then there is no reason for that person to work harder.

AND, obama is lying about most things he proposes.
i watched him move from liberal to centrist to practically conservative during this process to appeal to the most people.
he's not a terrorist
he's a liberal
a lying liberal.
1 trillion in new spending.
yep.
he aint giving anyone a tax break.
besides how do you give 95% a tax break when only 70% pay taxes?

I think he is right you guys, no one has been able to dispute him in the forum yet

I look forward to the more distorted and weird looking "Jesusland" map for Election 2008.

yeah, the 2004 was funny; it had all those states where people voted for that batshit pro-war anti-gay-marriage guy; and it also showed the states where people voted for the OTHER batshit pro-war anti-gay-marriage guy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

woah i think you just subverted my dominant paradigm dude

besides how do you give 95% a tax break when only 70% pay taxes?

gah this line. heard some conservative economist on the radio the other day using it. as if sales taxes and social security aren't taxes.

PAYROLL TAXES DUH. Such dishonest bullshit.

I had McCain dreams this morning, all vivid and cinematic. I dreamed that his latest big-deal speech was about how recently a member of his family was in trouble -- I think it was his wheelchair-bound brother -- and required immediate medication. So what he did was to go around his neighborhood breaking into the houses of people who weren't home. Cut to video of McCain crawling on his belly to squeeze into a stranger's basement window. And then there were photos in the papers the next day of McCain triumphant, covered in dirt and with his pajamas torn, holding up a box of baking soda, which is the thing he found in someone's house that saved his brother's life.

I have not finished parsing this one.

I don't know whether to ask a therapist or a pundit.

maybe "his disabled brother" really represents mccain's dentures, and the baking soda represents baking soda

Something about healthcare, theft, and McCain being a snake. That's as far as I've gotten.

ha! luv it

Obama expertly deflects an attempted hitjob:

That guy was on the phone with Fox News like 20 minutes later.

or maybe two days later, haha

>_<

that is awesome

jesus christ how can you not love this fuckin' guy...seriously

agreed. Key line: "You're going to be better off if you've got a bunch of customers who can afford to hire you."

And he tacitly makes it clear that his opinion is that if you've made a good bit of money, but you're hanging on to it at the expense of other people who are looking for that same opportunity, you're kind of being a dick.

dan,

what did the guy say on fox news later?

wow

ah nevermind dude was a dick later on

I think what we're all saying here is
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HALP! Where do I shot debate on terrestrial BBC? Snooker has taken over BBC2 and looks unlikely to shift, dammit.

i think it's here

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/puckinnichild/Random%20Stuffs/x2rwu9.gif

props for that link's pussy not being hot

ah nevermind dude was a dick later on

Where? link? I want to see Michael Chiklis up there being a dick. Because he was pretty polite in that clip.

a polite plant

Yeah whoever planted him fired him from that job right quick.

Que has so much sand in his hot pussy, he's making glassware.

Shit. Is this debate streaming anywhere? TV is not happening in this house right now.

msnbc.com cnn.com

Shit, McCain's wearing some glossy lipstick.

bbc had it last time

JOE THE PLUMBER YEAH YEAH HAD A FEW DRINKS ON THE HOUSE AND HE WAS A FORTUNE TELLER

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has this been shared here yet?

seriously it's the worst one i've seen

and i had cousins who lived in bethlehem, PA. it's not alabama, it's fucking an hour and a half from philly.

lol @ the communist fag bit

and this is the funniest one

no, it's the very lowest.

it's kind of not cool to tape drunk people in any case, but here is the (i'm assuming high school age?) poster's self-description:

I came home from football practice one evening and my parents were talking to our neighbors who were drunk.This is what happened......also if u think the guy in the back of the 4 wheeler looks like james hetfield or the guy in the front sounds like boomhaur from king of the hill,tell so in a comment. I live in southeastern kentucky FYI.

Ugh. It's just too horrible. Given a video, I could have made that video of my neighbors too many times. It's painful to watch. And also being circulated as if that's any kind of typical voter. Those people don't vote. Let them be. They'll die sooner than you, let them be.

given a video camera, I meant

Love the refrains of "Get a job." As if the speaker's job is attending McCain rallies.

Let them be.

I would have agreed accept when he tossed the can. Oh, that made me mad.

Obama heading into West Virginia, North Dakota, Georgia, and Kentucky(!)

Man, that Joe the Plumber dude got me wasted last night. So hungover.

http://www.santhoffplumbingco.com/images/plumber_add.jpg

larry o'donnell tends to fantasize a lot, but now would be the time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/colin-powell-is-ready-to_b_134777.html

I should have been a plumber, I didn't know it led to a six figure salary.

Really? I have weekly fantasies of becoming a plumber or electrician.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/McTonguemixLetmehelpyouwiththat.jpg

RW: Well MIKE the the first question I-I would have for you is basically can you ah...I had to write them down here. Ah can you basically explain if ah...you're sic version of this ah on the moose?
MW: The moose? Sure. Probably I don't know 2 maybe 3 years ago now. I'm not sure how long back it was. Umm MOLLY [Sarah's sister, and then Wooten's wife] drew a cow moose permit for the valley area and umm we because of my work schedule and what not didn't get a chance to go out hunting. We did some road hunting a little bit here and there. Umm and CHUCK [Heath, Molly and Sarah's father] was giving MOLLY a hard time about getting the tag filled. And umm made a statement to her that he was going to take her out and go hunting and fill the tag if I didn't and MOLLY came home all upset crying and saying, "You need to take me out. We need to get a moose because my dad won't leave me alone. And he's harassed me about it and I do not want to go hunting with him under any circumstances. It's not fun. He makes it miserable and I don't want to go." And I said, "Okay." You know. "We'll do what we can." So I called up (Clears throat) CHRIS WATCHUS. A friend of mine that had a boat. And I said, "Hey CHRIS MOLLY's got a cow moose permit and we want to go hunting. Can you take us up river and see if we can find a moose?" And an he said, "Yeah no problem MIKE." So we went over to ah...we were at CHUCK and SALLY's house for dinner the night before we were gonna go hunting and CHUCK started razzin' MOLLY about filling the permit. And basically umm and I told CHUCK. I said, "You know what CHUCK, why don't you just, just leave her alone. It's her permit. It's not yours. If we don't go hunting, we don't go hunting. It's not that big of an issue."

RW: Okay.
MW: And he said ah he said, "Well if you don't take her out there and fill that permit I'll fill it for you." And I said, "Well we're gonna go hunting tomorrow." And he said, "Well there's only..." Like, it was 3 days left in the season or something. And he's like; "Well there's only three days left. Nothing like waiting 'til the end an..." You know riding me on and on and I said, "Well we're gonna go hunting tomorrow. We're gonna go up river. We'll probably, probably see a moose." You know, "...should be a good, good deal. When I get off work we're meeting my buddy at 3:00 o'clock and we're gonna take his boat and we're gonna go get a moose." And ah the next day we meet up with CHRIS. Get in his boat. Go up river and ah we were up river probably 15-20 minutes saw a moose. A cow moose umm...CHRIS shut off the boat and he said, "We're good to go we're on river power. Boat's not pushing us anymore." You know "Go ahead and shoot the moose." And I told MOLLY. I said, "Do you want to shoot the moose?" And she said, "No I don't want to shoot the gun." And I said, "Okay I'll shoot the moose for you then." She said, "That's fine. I'm not shooting it." And I said "Okay." So I got my gun out and I shot the moose. And then we cleaned it up and MOLLY called CHUCK and said, "We got a moose." And he was all (inaudible) and happy about it and when we got back to CHUCK's house (clears throat) he said ah, "Where'd you guys get it?" I told him we were up the river and found it. Shot it and umm he was all happy and helped me butcher. And a matter of fact he did most of the butchering cause I had to work. And ah not...I mean that was it. We filled out the tag. We turned it in and that was...I mean that was the end of our hunting for the year.

RW: So you told MOLLY to shoot the moose?
MW: Yeah. I told her. I asked her. I said, "You." You know "you want to shoot it? It's your moose." And she said, "No I don't want to shoot your gun." And I said, "Are you sure?" And she said, "Yeah I don't want to shoot it you shoot it." And I said, "Okay." So I shot it.

RW: Did you hunt any more after that on your tag or any other tag?
MW: I didn't. No. No. That was it.

RW: That was the end of...
MW: We got one moose and that was it. That's all we need one year for 1 moose will last my family a year an a half-two years. That was it.

plumbing is great if you like squeezing into crawlspaces getting other peoples shit on you and developing chronic back problems - it pays well for a reason

HAHAHA OMG BUDDIES WERKIN TOGETHER XPOST

Really? I have weekly fantasies of becoming a plumber or electrician.

What about pizza delivery or pool cleaning?

One step at a time.

Suppose it actually does come out that Joe Wurzelbacher was a plant. I realize this is a stretch, and any planting done was probably Wurzelbacher's idea alone, but if he turns out to be tied to the McCain campaign or is in some way linked to the Ohio GOP it could be a delicious clusterfuck.

If post-debate coverage means anything, though, most non-wonky folks didn't give a shit about Joe The Plumber, Rich Dude. If it turns out he's a plant, I'm not sure it'll matter any more than any other gaffe / "strategy" the McCain campaign's squeezed out over the past 4 weeks.

> Suppose it actually does come out that Joe Wurzelbacher was a plant.

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

Electrician is a good job guys!

if u dont mind getting shocked to death by millions of volts of electricity

and i had cousins who lived in bethlehem, PA. it's not alabama, it's fucking an hour and a half from philly.

both sides of my family are from PA, I lived in the south for 5 years, and lemme tell you, most of pennsylvania is NINO.

Yeah, not for nothing is PA described as Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Kentucky in between.

My friend who went to Penn State likes to point out that when the Aryan Nation people got forced out of Northern Idaho, they selected central Pennsylvania for their new headquarters.

FiveThirtyEight with another killer detail, following discussion of a Biden rally in Ohio:

As for the Republicans, we made every good faith effort to get a story, but in the end they knew and we knew and they knew that we knew that they knew they were running out the clock on us. We stopped into the Columbus HQ on Saturday and spoke with Deputy Communications Director Jason Levine, explained in detail who we were and the story we were looking for -- asking for experienced and first-time Republican volunteers who could educate us and our readers about how the McCain campaign is working on the ground in Ohio.

Levine was cautiously friendly, and told us several times that we should probably be able to get a story, but they wanted to set something up so they could give us volunteers who would be on message. (That, in itself, is a complete contrast to the Obama campaign, who implicitly vests its volunteers with great trust, as they own this grassroots campaign.) After speaking with Levine twice and sending repeated emails, he ran out the clock.

It's fair enough. We're not their biggest priority. They probably assume if they haven't heard of us, how much exposure could photos of their huge phone banks with 40 phones and one lonely caller at their state headquarters three weeks before the election really get?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/2945954176_118868f8f9.jpg

Fast blinkers lose elections.

oh man, that photo

xp

Man, was he blinking like a madman last night, too!

http://i36.tinypic.com/9fnssi.jpg

mccain is on some toothfairy shit

he looks animatronic in an off-putting way

I wonder if he's going to be pissed or resigned if he loses on election night.

In public or private?

he already seems pretty pissed and resigned

In the concession speech.

"We ran a good campaign..." vs "GODAMMIT MOTHERFUCKER."

I expect a good amount of this: http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7519/47551714yl3.gif

o hell be completely conciliatory while blinking wildly

btw has anyone else noticed McCain's shift to using "Senator Obamer"?

geddit? "bomber"?

hah! that and 'senator government' which has a nice ring to it i think

aaand senator government over here *jerks thumb chuckles blinks five time*

lolz aside, mccain's answer to the nastiness of his running mate and his rallies was pathetic in the extreme. he trotted out veterans again! "men who wear medals come to my rallies." his answer was basically "oh your feeling are hurt because my supporters are racist creeps? WELL MY FEELINGS ARE BIGGER AND MORE HURTINGER THAN YOURS". what a thin skinned little princess he is, for a war hero. it was all basically "i know u r but wut am i" kind of shit, which, since the country 2 to 1 thinks mccain is nastier than obama, couldn't have worked very well

schieffer's question was pretty tire-swingy to begin with, "you called him erratic" yeah go choke dude.

I DONT LIKE OBAMAS T SHIRTS WAAAAAAAA

yikes

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg

Gotta counter with McCain as a wildly blinking elephant.

"your campaign is seen as very negative, how do you respond to that, Sen McCain?"
"Lemme answer that by harshly criticizing my opponent..."

mccain seemed to be trying to speak to a number of different audiences at once: a base (and his own rovian campaign flacks?) that he has never liked, a national press corps that pays attention to horse race drama minutiae that nobody else gives a fuck about ("in what minute will the dreaded ACORN BOMB be deployed by the maverick?"), and some vague figure of a biographer writing about a good man named john mccain.

obama just kept repeating his core message to his core audience of middle of the road voters. same shit every day, clockwork. it gives him poor marks in the press, and then the press scratches his head while the polls give it to obama in a walk

xp hey if obama gives every american a free chicken and rib meal with koolaid and watermelon, i'm in for another thousand dollars

from here

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html

whoa hold the phone that's a GOP MAILER???

fuck these people

She said she doesn't think in racist terms, pointing out she once supported Republican Alan Keyes, an African-American who previously ran for president.

"I didn't see it the way that it's being taken. I never connected," she said. "It was just food to me. It didn't mean anything else."

She said she also wasn't trying to make a statement linking Obama and food stamps, although her introductory text to the illustration connects the two: "Obama talks about all those presidents that got their names on bills. If elected, what bill would he be on????? Food Stamps, what else!"

Well done.

It's just food to her

Hector Barajas, the party's press secretary, said the party chairman likely will have a conversation with Fedele

"Thanks a lot, shithead, and fuck you."

ive never quite understood why fried chicken and watermelon are considered like the best racial zings ever - i mean thats delicious food

she once supported Republican Alan Keyes

guys this poor woman is obviously insane

I do have to say that is probably the lamest invocation of the "some of my best friends are black!" defense I've ever heard.

"Some of the crazy-ass presidential candidates I have supported were black!"

every paragraph of that story is lol

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg

ok are they food stamps, obama bucks or dollars obama bucks?

"It's very damaging and we're going to take steps to correct this," [San Bernardino County GOP chairman Mark] Kirk said. "Unfortunately, I don't know what you do to correct ignorance like this, but we will do what we can."

obama bucks, probabaly work the same way a schrute buck works

wait, what's with koolaid man? is this a racist trope i've missed?

I'm getting hungry.

"Black people drink Kool-Aid" is a pretty well-known stereotype perpetrated by bigots and black stand-ups for years.

ribs and koolaid are watermelon and fried chickens step siblings

also delicious btw

i am the only person i know who doesn't like ribs

Fedele said she got the illustration in a number of chain e-mails and decided to reprint it for her members in the Trumpeter newsletter because she was offended that Obama would draw attention to his own race.

I guess I'm not understanding why she was so offended by this? Wasn't Obama just stating the obvious, or does she think that race just shouldn't be addressed?

As I think I said upthread, the increasing 'Rovisation' of the GOP in California has left it in the hands of seriously stupid, racist and inept people. I can't think of a Republican off the top of my head who could make much of a stab at winning either a race for Governor or for a Senate seat. The only reason Ahnold won was because he's massively well known and was perceived as moderate and the electorate was desperate.

"See, you've got to understand black people," (Magic) Johnson says today. "I know my customer base, because I'm it. I told Loews, black people are going to eat dinner at the movies -- those hot dogs are our dinner. Same with the drinks. Our soda sales were just O.K. I said black people love flavored drinks, because we were raised on Kool-Aid. So we put in punch and strawberry soda and orange, and the numbers went through the roof."

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20001210mag-magicjohnson.html

"Black people drink Kool-Aid" is a pretty well-known stereotype perpetrated by bigots and black stand-ups for years.

I temped at Kr@ft Foods once and worked on Powerpoint slides supporting this empirically.

i have learned something new today

too bad it's a slur

As I think I said upthread, the increasing 'Rovisation' of the GOP in California has left it in the hands of seriously stupid, racist and inept people.

It's made for fun watching, at least. (Not always fun living.)

senator govt. on daily show 2005

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=129775

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/10/16/PH2008101601796.jpg
^^not a licensed plumber

Oh shit, that reminds me, McCain's on Letterman tonight, right? (xpost)

Dude just needs a light bulb in his mouth now and he'll be all set.

Will Dave ask him how long he's known Joe, who's Charles Keating's son-in-law or something?

Channel 4 News just called McCain 'an angry white man' and there was much LOLling as GOP Shillwoman appearing opposite James Rubin blew a gasket and tried to do Fox-style equivalency. Call waaaahhhmulance STAT.

http://i35.tinypic.com/dztob9.jpg

http://www.236.com/feed/2008/10/15/the_cuntlet_hath_been_thrown_9560.php

holy shit

An official at Local 50 of the plumber’s union, based in Toledo, said Mr. Wurzelbacher does not hold a license. He also has never served an apprenticeship and does not belong to the union. (The national plumber’s union, the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, endorsed Mr. Obama, it should be noted.)

holy shit he IS a scab!

“All contractors are licensed, and he does not have a license, either as a contractor or a plumber,” the union official said, citing a search of government records. “I can’t find that he’s ever even applied for any kind of apprenticeship, and he has never belonged to local 189 in Columbus, which is what he claims on his Facebook page.”

Joe: it's complicated.

Obama could do an ad with a montage of union plumbers endorsing him. Maybe Errol Morris could shoot it.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/10/16/PH2008101601796.jpg

^^not a licensed plumber

And it wasn't a real plunger, it was HIS LAMP!

Mr. Wurzelbacher is registered to vote in Lucas County under the name Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.

“We have his named spelled W-O, instead of W-U,” Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said in a telephone interview. “Handwriting is sometimes hard to read. He has never corrected it in his registration card.”

Uh, under the kinds of challenges the GOP likes to tender, this should render ol' Joe ineligible to vote.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?hp

He went on, “You know, I’ve always wanted to ask one of these guys a question and really corner them and get them to answer a question,” he said, “for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance.”

He added, “Almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.”

o my fucking god

this has to be some kind of setup. the whole thing is so bizarre on so many details. i kind of hate sketchy dot-connecting in politics, but wtf

can't believe the Keating connection is not getting more press

wait, what's with koolaid man? is this a racist trope i've missed?

― mookieproof, Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:58 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It's because an Obama presidency would break down so many walls.

Also, many inbred Republicans would be tempted to commit suicide.

re: Drudge inventing the "Obama stole the election" narrative, take a look at it right now...

FBI INVESTIGATES ACORN FOR VOTER FRAUD...

OBAMA PLANS GIANT ELECTION NIGHT PARTY

what's he got to complain about, I thought Republicans loved stolen elections!

Joe Wurzelbacher: "I'm middle class, I can't have my taxes raised any more."
Katie Couric: "Well, he supposedly will raise taxes only on people making $250,000 dollars a year. Would you be in that category?"
Joe Wurzelbacher: "Well not right now presently, but y'know, question, he's gonna do that now for people who make $250,000 a year, when's he going to decide that $100,000 is too much? I mean you know you're on a slippery slope here, you're voting for someone who's decides that $250,000 and you're rich? Then $100,000 and you're rich? where's the depth? We gotta ask that question."

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4525220n

can't believe the Keating connection is not getting more press

It's pretty tenuous at this point. The only thing that anyone has proved is that Robert Wurzelbacher is Keating's son-in-law, but nobody seems to know if Robert and Joe the Plumber are related. (There was speculation that Joe was related to a Robert Wurzelbacher in Milford OH, but it's not the same guy.)

fuck now i'm nervous again!!!!!

just donated another $25 on the visa...fuck it...why am so freaked out...just that little downtick in the gallup poll seems horrible now!!!!!!!!!!!

suggest relax

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ov-pT1x-W8Y/SPZoJLff6PI/AAAAAAAAC_g/LrS5ebdCap4/S1600-R/1015_mainchart.png

Joe the Plumber's concerns are valid and need to be addressed. I'm sure a lot of people out there are wondering the same thing. I'm kind of surprised Obama couldn't do that when he was originally asked to. I have been feeling a little frustrated at his vagueness and repetition in debates. He keeps saying, "that's not important; what the people want to hear about is..." and then goes into a kind of vague simplified sound-byte version of his economic platform. Shit, man, people want hard numbers right now. Just risk boring the audience and quote some figures from the site. I was also frustrated last night by how few of McCain's attacks were directly responded to. Stuff that seems like it would be easy to strike down.

i guess i'm saying it isn't too late for shit to blow up in his face. few more of these joe the plumber stunts... never know.

I thought that was posted by the Corner. Did you actually write that?

itll take a lot more than a bunch of joe the plumbers to trip up cool barry husein

Shit, man, people want hard numbers right now.

You mean like the percentage of folks whose taxes won't go up? Or the ceiling on seeing a tax decrease? Or the percentage tax credit small business owners will get on health care for their employees?

xpost -- would Corner writers swear?

Haha so wait he actually did write that nonsense? Who is rockapads?

I mean thank GOD McCain's offering straight-talk stats, like the # of kids his VP candidate has, or the cost of that planetarium projector, or that bullshit $42,000 tax threshhold he keeps on quoting even though it's been debunked every fucking time it's mentioned.

xpost

Wait wait dude is claiming Joe the Plumber is a PLUS for McCain? Is that David Brooks?

^^^bringin the realness

i'm starting to think these 1/2 hour ads might be a bad idea

Only if he brings out Perot's pie charts.

"i'm starting to think these 1/2 hour ads might be a bad idea"

Then you are weird.

He should just bring out Perot.

donating to a prez campaign < playing 3-card monte

he should bring out Ludacris

x-post

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/igotthis.jpg

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Is it too late to create some horrifying Perot/Ludacris hybrid?

Obama would NEVER use an exclamation point. I thought this graphic lacked one!

I thought that was posted by the Corner. Did you actually write that?

lol, no. I am just a little nervous going down the homestretch, I guess. for some reason Obama's debate performances always get me hyper-critcal of him, that he's throwing the election away. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of the types of voters I think they are going for in some of these battleground states, and it just worries me a little that maybe he's not addressing certain issues directly enough, using the terms people are looking for. He comes off as kind of long-winded and vague sometimes, that's all. I was talking to a friend of mine and told him that, and he was like, "it's not like he's going to sit up there and talk about which programs he has in mind to cut". Can't argue with that.

I mean, he's clearly winning and I understand he has no need to take unnecessary risks at this stage, but I guess I'm just saying I wish sometimes he would talk hard numbers while he has the chance. I suppose with his big special coming up he'll get the chance to do that (xpost).

I can't believe I was confused for a Corner writer. Back to lurking 4 me!!

In fairness, you picked like probably one of the worst threads to delurk on.

Palin talks with actual press person, is confused.

^^^priceless

would also have accepted "what's a deficit?" as an answer

"i'm starting to think these 1/2 hour ads might be a bad idea"

Then you are weird.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:58 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

max posted lol vikings fan after something i said on another election thread, and it's totally true, it totally warps your whole mindset, i sometimes see life as one giant 98 vikes vs. atlanta falcons in the NFC championship game

donating to a prez campaign < playing 3-card monte

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:59 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

don't try to tell me how to spend MY HARD EARNED MONEY THAT I WORKED SO FUCKIN HARD FOR YOU SOCIALIST

Ned, I don't mean this in a malicious way but can you imagine a Stockdale, circa '92 vs. Palin debate? Oh the lolzanity!

playing 3-card monte doesn't usually get you tickets to see a Springsteen club show

You know, I think Nate Silver is doing a really nice job with his website, but do you guys really think that Obama would win this election 95% of the time, as that pie chart above suggests? Are polls THAT representative of actual voting patterns? Given the fact that white guys are batting 1.000 in presidential election history, doesn't that seem a bit presumptuous?

Also, considering how much his stats have fluctuated over the last month. How can you say something is 95% roughly a month after you said it was 60%, or whatever it was after Palin was chosen? I don't get a good sense of what those numbers are supposed to actually mean.

playing 3-card monte doesn't usually get you tickets to see a Springsteen club show

― gabbneb, Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:19 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

omg gabz did this happen to you - sweeeet!

Ned, I don't mean this in a malicious way but can you imagine a Stockdale, circa '92 vs. Palin debate? Oh the lolzanity!

Hahah. And the thing is, Adm. Stockdale would still win by miles.

Epictetus quotes vs. you betcha!

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Survey_6_out_of_9_early_1016.html

You know, I think Nate Silver is doing a really nice job with his website, but do you guys really think that Obama would win this election 95% of the time, as that pie chart above suggests? Are polls THAT representative of actual voting patterns? Given the fact that white guys are batting 1.000 in presidential election history, doesn't that seem a bit presumptuous?

Also, considering how much his stats have fluctuated over the last month. How can you say something is 95% roughly a month after you said it was 60%, or whatever it was after Palin was chosen? I don't get a good sense of what those numbers are supposed to actually mean.

― polyphonic, Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he was scary good at predicting the primaries - the post rnc number (which was actually abt 47% if i recall correctly) had i think to do w/the fact that there was no historical data regarding two late conventions and a lolwtf vp pick all coming one after another to model on and that we are a lot closer to the election than we were then.

they had a post last week on where exactly the win percentage number is coming from.

and i do btw agree that mccains chances of winning are somewhere way down in the single digits

no ones ever come back from a deficit this size this late the issues of the day and the electoral map and the campaign fundamentals are lined up against him and hes not a v good candidate to begin with

hes pretty helpless at this point - itd take something out of his control to swing this race - an obama scandal a major world event etc

I sent my absentee ballot today and stupidly kissed envelope/made wish before handing it to the clerk in the Post Office.

hi dere what u doin
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06ub92VdIAaSu/610x.jpg

WHY THE FUCK does anyone care about what this dude says? because mccain brought his name up?

DAER PUNDITS: PLZ STFU ABOUT "JOE THE PLUMBER". I DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

lol nate silver

http://nymag.com/news/features/51170/
http://images.nymag.com/news/features/silver081020_250.jpg

he's so obviously a made-up character played by michael chiklis, too

Given the fact that white guys are batting 1.000 in presidential election history

I see what you're trying to say, but this "statistic" doesn't make sense; never before has a white guy gone up against anyone other than another white guy.

At his day job, Silver works for Baseball Prospectus, a loosely organized think tank that, in the last ten years, has revolutionized the interpretation of baseball stats. Furthermore, Silver himself invented a system called PECOTA, an algorithm for predicting future performance by baseball players and teams. (It stands for “player empirical comparison and optimization test algorithm,” but is named, with a wink, after the mediocre Kansas City Royals infielder Bill Pecota.) Baseball Prospectus has a reputation in sports-media circles for being unfailingly rigorous, occasionally arrogant, and almost always correct.

http://www.robertamsterdam.com/journalists.jpghttp://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/games/mk3/kano/bio.gif

I need to start hanging out in Wicker Park more so I can run into Nate Silver. Supposedly he frequents the Beachwood Inn.

rockapads, I think there's a disconnect in that post between "what swing voters need to hear" and "hard numbers" -- I'm not convinced those are the same things in the least. I agree with you, insofar as there are times when I wish he could take a slightly more earnest, bottom-line, straight-dope tone. But, to me, numbers are the opposite of that. And given that the calm-and-deliberative approach is working very, very well for him right now, I can certainly see why the final debate wouldn't be used as an opportunity to "improve" that.

he keeps reminding me of

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/08/03/18_deanwinters_lgl.jpg

xp

http://images.nymag.com/news/features/silver081020_250.jpg

dude predicted the rays making the playoffs

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/08/03/18_deanwinters_lgl.jpg

dude left the stanley cup in a water taxi

JOE THE PLUUUUUUMBER (man I cannot read that without hearing Joe the Lion lolz thx Alfred) is all McCain has right now, coverage is no surprise.

Won't change a thing anyway, just let it play out.

who the fuck let Ryan O'Reily have the Stanley Cup?

they let him borrow it when he saved that guy from the subway

Press has to cover something. Joe is not as boring to them as attending the same stump speech four times a day.

If McCain had talked about Dennis Duffy instead of Joe the plumber I might have fallen in love with him just a little bit.

but only obama would ever talk abt dennis duffy seeeeee

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the mean annual wage for plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in the United States in 2007 was $47,350.

In Iraq those guys are probably pulling $200K.

Now McCain just needs Vanessa Paradis to put out a little song about him.

guys the new season of 30 rock starts soon!

Oh man.

“The economy is slow and revenue is not coming in like it does during good times,” Vaughn said. “How can you really explain how this plan will work?”

“Really?” asked Palin.

Ok, this time I am indulging in a little malicious reverie. Imagine if McCain/Palin lose the election and some time down the road she's either impeached or voted out of office and after great big adventure in teh 48, is forced to retire to Wasilla and the waning attention of America's wingnut cretins. Mmmmm, smells delish, doesn't it?

for real though, joe the plumber would not have been brought up AT ALL were it not for Obama's "spread the wealth around" comment after 5:00+ of OTM.

that made it something for Rush, Hannity and everyone else to harp on all day, (instead of ayers).

not that it was a major foot in the mouth moment for obama or anything-- i'm just saying.

nah she'll be a reality tv star for sure

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/08/03/18_deanwinters_lgl.jpg

"I'm a fiscal liberal, social conservative"

"You know, I think Nate Silver is doing a really nice job with his website, but do you guys really think that Obama would win this election 95% of the time, as that pie chart above suggests?"

Yes yes I do. I think barring something completely unforseen that Obama is going to win this election (probably pretty handily.)

Palin's career will be over after this. She was a total sacrifice play, and it didn't work. McCain's will be over too, mostly, but primarily because he doesn't have long to live anyway.

barring something completely unforseen

McCain dumps Palin in surprise move, taps Hillary for VP

can't wait for that thread

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i wonder how mccain actually feels about palin

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/08/03/18_deanwinters_lgl.jpg

"I'm a fiscal conservative, juggalo"

i wonder how mccain actually feels about palin

i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's smart enough to be privately embarrassed. "the john mccain that picked palin is no the real john mccain, etc."

i wonder how mccain actually feels about palin

horny

things I didn't need mental images of, a list:

1) McCain tapping Hillary Clinton

her pocket's so hot

Oh God, the very idea of Palin's voice crying out in sexual ecstasy is enough to make me want to poke my ears with pencils.

Little Sarahbursts

god stfu

i wonder how mccain actually feels about palin

he has trouble saying nice things about her -- not that he doesn't try, but it's awkward innit -- but then he has trouble getting through a detailed and coherent sentence that's that's not about himself.

I need to start hanging out in Wicker Park more so I can run into Nate Silver. Supposedly he frequents the Beachwood Inn.

― jaymc, Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:43 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm pretty sure i've met him. i've definitely met his s.o., who works with ben, and they were both at ben's wedding

i wonder how mccain actually feels about palin

I thought at one point last night he said that she's a freath breast of air (though he likely said "bresh".)

Palin's career will be over after this.

I don't know about "over," but I don't see much of an upward path, especially given that she just plain doesn't seem temperamentally suited to any kind of legislative position. I was having a long, ridiculous conversation last week, trying to figure out any conceivable path where she could turn this campaign to her benefit, and we couldn't sort out a single scenario, carpet-bagging or otherwise, that worked.

right wing radio host

right wing version of "the view", hasselbeck would have a home there

tv judge

princess of breast air

food network - At The Lodge with Sarah Palin

dictator of a cul-de-sac in anchorage

right wing version of "the view", hasselbeck would have a home there

― omar little, Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:33 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark

geraldine ferraro could be the elder + she could play the "liberal" role aka the reverse hasselbeck

omg they should give her a travel show

"next week I visit... Juno!"

"next stop... Maniilaq!"

If we're jumping outside politics, I get the feeling "mega-church guest speaker" could get her early-retirement money in less than a year.

palin will def def prob run for pres in 2012

Def Def Prob!!!

what are you guys talking about, palin is the newly annointed embodiment of evangelical politics and she's gonna be in all our faces for years to come

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2010 biathalon bronze medalist

you're forgetting that people don't like losers

a letter cited by Ramesh Ponnoru:

I have not been talking to my boys (six and two) about the election or about the candidates. Kids do need to be kids, don't they and not worry about such things? But the six year old has come home from first grade talking about "Orack Obama" very enthusiastically. So, I'm swinging into action and going to buy him an A-4 Skywhawk and tell him all about John McCain, the good guy that flew an A-4 Skyhawk off the deck of aircraft carriers to fight the "bad guys".

That should convince him to mend his ways.

Family values!

yes, consume your way out of this mess!

btw if anyone can name me a failed VP candidate who went on to a successful career on the national stage please do so, I'm blanking at the moment...

i'm pretty sure i've met him. i've definitely met his s.o., who works with ben, and they were both at ben's wedding

What!

wd pay to view Romney-Palin debate

btw if anyone can name me a failed VP candidate who went on to a successful career on the national stage please do so, I'm blanking at the moment..

http://www.medaloffreedom.com/RichardNixonFarewell.jpg

nixon was never a failed VP candidate

FDR=failed VP candidate

um Nixon WAS actually VP

unless you think getting 55% and 57% of the national vote in his two VP runs was unsuccessful somehow

i dont think palin will have a successful career but she will run for pres - a lot of people are totally enamored w/her and she has some v powerful

btw if anyone can name me a failed VP candidate who went on to a successful career on the national stage please do so, I'm blanking at the moment...

I think you might have to go back to Earl Warren, who was Thomas Dewey's VP candidate.

fdr fdr fdr fdr fdr

that reminds me I need to find a good bio of FDR