Dawson's Creek is turning our children into emotional retards.

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All the girls I know (and it is mainly girls [although considering many of them are in their 20's, maybe women would be a better semantic choice]) who are 'into' Dawson's Creek seem to have trouble maintaining serious relationships / dealing with mild or everyday emotional obstacles / etcetera. Of the four or five I can think of who I know very well, most have been in counselling and or on anti-depressants at some point in the last few years. Most being four of the five. Now, while I recognise that instances of mental ill-health are increasing (50% or us will experience mental illness during our lives, I believe) and that Dawson's is a popular programme especially amongst the teen/early 20's demographic, it can't just be coincidence, can it?

Is Dawson's Creek fucking people up, basically? By portraying unrealistic and unattainable relationships, by portraying beautiful people with expansive vocabularies as still incapable of having decent relationships, is Dawson's (combined with various other factors) raising a generation of people (girls) who can't deal with real human feelings and relationships? "If Pacey and Joey can't be happy how can I ever be?" Is this, considering the fact that most young men are emotionally retarded, a contributing factor in the decline of decent relationships in our societies and our resultantly ever-more-needy natures as we seek solace and satisfaction in increasingly more decadent and expensive and emotionally vapid ways?

Or am I taking a dodgy US teen soap too seriously?

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Taking Dawson's as being symptomatic of a greater cultural movement of introspective and analytical and / or not exactly emotionally wholesome cultural artefacts, from Starsailor to Britney 'true love waits for a hunky guy' Spears to all those dodgy teen movies and magazines...

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If that worries you I wouldn't recommend watching Hollyoaks. Then again, I wouldn't recommend that anyway...

― Matt Fallaize, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hollyoaks is at least amusing. But still part of the whole thing.

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yes you should watch POPULAR instead as it deals with the issues

also it's a bit weird saying "our children" in the thread then talking about women the same age as you

― mark s, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like this theory because I hate Dawson's Creek.

― DG, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is the best thread ever. Just wait until Emma gets online!

I sort of agree but this may be just a contrarian respect for the stiff-upper-lip culture combined with a naive willingness to strip it of its political aspects. Also I never watch TV and am still no more emotionally stable than anyone else I know. I think the problem certainly isn't that people are comparing themselves to TV characters, though.

― Tom, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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― felicity, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think you are taking it too seriously. I know I like my cheesy teen drama more than the next guy, I find humor in it. So I try not to mold my relationships into what I see on tv. I am of the generation that show is geared at so EVERYONE LISTEN TO ME.

I'd chose My So Called Life over Dawson's Creek anytime. Who's with me (and against me)?

― Lindsey B, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK, I can see the last two words are Dawson's Creek, but what the hell else does it say Felicity?

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My main fear is that the negative effect these programmes have is subliminal and concurrent / snowballing alongside other cultural areas / trends, rather than overtly conscious and obvious.

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

my so-called life roXoR and clare danes fancies me

― mark s, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But she kept going back to Jared Leto, and he was always a wanker to her!

Fave bit of Fight Club - Jared Leto gets pasted.

Fave bit of Requiem For A Dream - Jared Leto gets amputated.

Can anyone add anymore pieces of filmic destructio of Jared Leto's pseudo-perfect form?

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The first thing to remember if you think you've identified a cultural trend is that it is also affecting you - if you think it's not then it probably doesn't exist.

― Tom, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Subliminal or no, arguing with mass media is akin to throwing feathers at a steamroller. Lowest common denominators have always been with us, and always will be. I really wouldn't worry about it.

― Matt Fallaize, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoa too much to deal with here for me. "And maybe you dont want to be a wife. Its not a life being a wife Doing the modern dance You never touch, you dont know who you're with Dance- modern dance The roles are shifting- dance" L Reed ps does emotionaly retarded mean unable to openly express feelings to others, cause our ability for self pity knows no boundaries

― Kiwi, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jared Leto got shot dead in Panic Room

― anthony, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Dawson's Creek has Audrey Horne now! And she has the hots for Pacey (sp?).

Jared/Jordan got chopped up by Christian/Patrick in American Psycho!

I cut Jordan some slack when he played Jawbox (a band not an object) in his car.

― Andy K, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For a few years that show made Jordan a 'hot' name (as in a name rather attractive associations rather than frequent).

― Jordan, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can anyone add anymore pieces of filmic destructio of Jared Leto's pseudo-perfect form?

He gets axed in the face in American Psycho. It's a beautiful thing.

Anyhow, I'm an emotional retard without watching Dawson's Creek, thank you. One of my better friends from school, or at least the one I most fondly remember, was a boy in our crew who looked just like Dawson. If that's even the main character's name. That blonde guy. Is he Dawson? James Van Der Beak???

― Ally, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

jordan was a fuck head but i think that's fairly realistic, don't all chicks go for the dickheads?? I loved a lot of the characters on that show, hell all of em really but esp rayanne and ricky

― Ron, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mental illness is increasing because U.S. drug companies are exporting it, used to be something like 90% of all the world's psychotherapy was performed in the us but now with psychotropics being the faux magic bullets it pays to make everyone the world 'round crazy, dawon's creek is part of the master plan. i hate how the teens don't ever talk like teens on that show, making all sorts of pop culture references that pre-date them by decades is lame.

i guess i just admitted to seeing the show, oops.

― keith, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dawson is losing his hair. That is my favorite part.

― bnw, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can anyone add anymore pieces of filmic destructio of Jared Leto's pseudo-perfect form?

He gets axed in the face in American Psycho. It's a beautiful thing. Ah..but he also gets shot in the head in Panic Room, and we get to watch all his brain bits and blood pour out onto the floor.

― JC, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Damn!

― JC, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's a new series?! With Audrey Horne? I have been saved...

And fuck you you gin-smoking crack living realist. I was majorly fucked in the head long before I ever heard the name Pacey and got shivers up my P Spot.

― Queen G, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Now, while I recognise that instances of mental ill-health are increasing (50% or us will experience mental illness during our lives, I believe) and that Dawson's is a popular programme especially amongst the teen/early 20's demographic, it can't just be coincidence, can it?

you are talking about 5 ppl = of course it can be a coincidence. also surely the causality could be the other way round???

― toby, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mental illness among youth will decline only when all the baby boomers FUCKING DIE and stop telling everybody else that they should be happy with nothing because they fucking took everything

― dave q, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think dave q might be onto something.

Is pop culture a conspiracy to fuck us up so we take more psychotropics?

Do Coca Cola (for example) use sex as an advertising tool not because we like sex and will associate it with their product, but so that we have enough sex to ensure more babies to buy their product in the next generation?

I sense a revolution...

― Nick Southall, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dawson's Creek makes me want to stick my head in a bucket of sick => this is not good for me + I am part of society => Dawson's Creek is a menace to society and should be banned.

― RickyT, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave Q and Toby are correct, and DG is very very wrong...

― gareth, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well I for one live my life according to the Doctrine of Dawson. At least they are not all gonorrhea ridden like those Hollyoaks kids.

― Emma, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dawson has the american "Intense behaviour syndrome" why is he boring everyone with every nuance of his troubled youth? no one would really give a fuck in real life.... I can remember a show in which he leaves that redneck place he lives in for new york.. in a club he starts talking with a beautiful lady . a sophisticated socialite ( ov course we are talking indawson's creek terms) what does our dearmost retard starts talking about? his infancy, his want to become a director as good as spielberg that dates.......

― francesco, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dawson's Creek is the best television show ever! I like it coz it is predictable and funny.

― jel --, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it is even funnier than the Wonder Years.

― Alan T, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Anyway, to me Dawson's Creek is about as unreal as unreal can get. I appreciate that watching the show is purely an escapist act. It is fun to predict what is going to happen next. I doubt if someone would ever think "If Joey/Pacey; Joey/Dawson can't have a stable relationship, what chance do I have?"...Like get a grip, they aren't supposed to, that's the premise of the show!

Dawsons Creek = Science Fiction.

― jel --, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"At that moment, I knew that everything was going to be different from now on. And yet it would remain the same. It was a christmas miracle."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Hahahahaha, ahem

― Alan T, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I will always hate the last epidode of the Wonder Years..."and a few years later Dad died". That was just so unneccessary.

― jel --, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well as he was mortal death was pretty necessary. Everyone used to say my brother looked like Kevin out of WY therefore it makes me shudder slightly to watch it.

As If though. Now THERE'S a fantastic teen drama.

― Emma, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You guys are mentalists! How absolutely cool would it be to conduct relationships like you're in an interview to get into Harvard?!? Kids are wack because they are too *little* like Dawson's Creek. They sigh over the stars and have their pet relationships that they like to see blossom, but ignore the crucial lessons it teaches us:

1) big words are good; 2) it's advisable to be friends with more than three people; 3) moralising grandmothers are objectively funky; 4) knowing intellectually that life sucks doesn't make it easier to accept it or to see how that general suckiness is affecting you; (this is a Freud thing BTW); 5) perfect relationships != "perfect relationships"; and 6) if you do sleep with the perfect person they will turn into an evil vampire.

Ooops, sorry, the last one was Buffy. But go watch that instead - it re-articulates all the good stuff that Dawson's Creek puts forward, adds a considerable amount extra and avoids DC's air of crapness.

― Tim, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

jordan was a fuck head but i think that's fairly realistic, don't all chicks go for the dickheads??

Yes yes but he was in the Frozen Embryos and he was also a GRATE leaner.

Fifteen = best teen drama soap evah.

― Andy K, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

don't all chicks go for the dickheads??

Unfortunately, yes.

― Ally, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Dave Q and Toby are correct, and DG is very very wrong..."

You'll be telling me Ant 'N' Dec are funny next.

― DG, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Disney did far worse things to people than Dawsons Creek ever has or will. The sheer ambiguity of all the "messages" in Disney films, which hit you at an earlier age than DC when you're surely more vulnerable, is pretty amazing. I mean talk about preparing people for disappointment.

― Ronan, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ambiguity?

― RickyT, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

By portraying unrealistic and unattainable relationships

"If Pacey and Joey can't be happy..."

How are these two sentenves compatible?

(I wuv Dawson's and am currently worrying about the claims it's only a fantasy world)

― Graham, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I mean in the sense that all "you are special" or "love yourself" are completely open to individual interpretation and don't really mean anything per se. Also to read way too much into Disney (and lots of TV cartoons), looking back I always think there was the implicit message that certain ways of life, or certain trappings, or even certain rules were the status quo and not to be questioned.

Fairytale lifestyle yadda yadda yadda.

And isn't someone being told they're special and they're fantastic from an early age a recipe for disaster in a world which may not ever really acknowledge this.

― Ronan, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, the thing that really screws up people, in my experience, is telling a kid "You are a dirtbag. You suck. You should have never been born." from day one. I've ran into a lot (and I mean, *a lot*) of people with this problem.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

just because you inebvraioted pieces of showirl trailer trash don't have a life like dawsons and joeys gives you no right, none sirfuckingree, to diss them - they've got it tough ok, how would you be if yr mum died and yr dad was a coke fiend and yr fish house burnt down. And you turned Jack gay?

― The Original Queen G, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nick, are you sure you've got the direction of causality right? Maybe your friends are into Dawson's Creek because they are emotional retards.

― N., Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Anyway, I think there's a point to be made that beautiful people with expansive vocabularies are still incapable of having decent relationships. What's so wrong with showing that fact? I say KUDOS to Dawson and his like, because they show the TRUTH.

― Ally, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i already said that, N.

― toby, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So you did. Sorry.

― N., Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...

Dawson's Creek is the best television show ever.

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 23 August 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Best thread evah.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 23 August 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was younger I watched Dawson's Creek with the sound off and fantasized about beating the cast to a bloody pulp with the jawbone of a donkey. I made swooshing and squirting noises and shook the remote control at the screen. Ahh, good times.

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Dawson's Creek sux u r all gay

― DG (D_To_The_G), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

haha DC is like Prozac and Valium - invent a drug, then sit back and wait for everyone to get diagnosed with the disease

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Sommermute, are you a Wall Street yuppie now?

Thanks guys, now I can blame Dawson's AND Disney for my problems. Finally, a credible excuse!

― Barima (Barima), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

When Dawson's Creek premiered, I watched half of it and gave up....I assumed it was to be a show built around the every nuance of Dawson, hence the name. I had nothing really against his character. It was as if someone had decided HE was the most photogenic and they'd follow his every squint.

So, fast forward 6 years (?) and the shows about to end with the big finish...who does Joey wind up with? And, dammit I watch the last show and want to know what led us to that point....at 57, this could be considered a serious "past mid-life crisis"?

Ok, I WAS a big fan of My So Called Life. Claire Daines' portrayal of a young girl trying to get thru her teens rang true to me (as much as a guy can know, I guess). And they didn't burden her with excessive familial angst (her parents were not drunks, abusers, etc), just the usual lack of communication skills.

Dawson's Creek, I must say, has elements missing from My So Called Life. To me, the "hook" IS the Dawson/Joey relationship. The childhood friends/soul mates who begin to get confused when their hormones get the best of them. Dawson does better because he's got his movies to wig out in....Joey's not so lucky.

Someone suggested the show taught how NOT to have meaningful relationships. These people begin the show at age 15-16! By show's end (not counting the 5 year speed up for the last show), the main characters are all of 20-21. Are those critics of the show suggesting that most normal, well adjusted kids have more meaningful relationships between the ages of 15-21? Actually, with all the jealousies caused by the inner relationships of the main characters, there is a sense of loyalty and connection that remains....probably much more successfully than a lot of "teen friends" I watched grow up. Frankly, even with the confusion and frustration, I'd hve felt damn fortunate to have a "soul mate" like Joey that early in my life, frustrations and all. One could argue that having a girl for a close friend actually dampened, somewhat, Dawson's need to express his hormonal changes immediately by getting laid. (Yeah, I know, he was a latent homosexual)...and I DID appreciate the intelligence of the people being followed. Some have suggested they talked too smart for their ages which is kind of funny. They're too flighty in their relationships for teens and too intelligent in their conversations.

Anyway, I love the show! I'm watching the replays on TNT or TBS and am quite taken by most of it. As far as being predictable, I don't think that's true at all. Hell, the whole thing with Dawson's parents....when would you ever predict it would be the MOTHER having an affair, especially since we KNOW Dawson's parents are quite active in the sack....so it's not the guy looking for young meat and it's not the woman going out looking for sex she doesn't get at home. It WAS a personal set of circumstances, not usual stereotypical fare.

Also, the fact that two of the regular characters were gay added something to the show.

I must say that I'd find it extremely difficult to seriously consider DC a bad influence on young people today. If my 9 year old wanted to watch, I'd let her. Unfortunately, she's more interested in Ed, Edd and Eddie....although I can understand her passion for Spongebob Squarepants.

― ed dill (eddill), Thursday, 6 November 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I still love the title of the this thread.

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 November 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The title of this thread is the thing I'm most proud of ever.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 6 November 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Dyou have children?

Anyway, I dig the Creek and I've been in a relationship for four years.

Dig the Creek = watched it 'ironically' while a student 4-5 years ago, lost track circa 1999.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 6 November 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that your theory of Dawson's Creek is ridiculus. I happen to be a #1 fan of this show and I watch it constantly and I am not on any medication or counsiling.I don't know why these other women are but it is not because of Dawson's creek. I think you are totally over reacting! Also there is no reason for you to be proud of the tile of this thread...or the language you used.

― Brittany, Friday, 7 November 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Marry me, Brittany.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

what? lol

― Brittany, Saturday, 8 November 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I might have been a little harsh earlier but I just want to let you know that Dawsons Creek is a great show...and personally it has helped me. I am currently in love with a boy who doesn't feel the same way about me and its nice to be able to watch a tv show where I can relate to the characters on the show because they are dealing with the same problems I am. But yes I do cry almost everytime but its not because I am becoming emotionally retarded.

― Brittany, Saturday, 8 November 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

*ssssssh*
*PFF*
*krcks*

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Saturday, 8 November 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I watch it constantly and I am not on any medication or counsiling.

i think we have a new ILX meme!

Judges?

Yes, the Judges are nodding. Folks, we have a new meme! Hooray!

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Saturday, 8 November 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

AMAZING RANDY TO THREAD!

Brittany, everything will be solved soon!

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 8 November 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

After reading what all of you have written about Dawson's creek it sounds to me like you have never seen the show because if you had you would know that there is nothing wrong with it! Its just a show...actaully a great show that I believe relates well to a lot of teens and their problems!

― Brittany, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

heh, the funniest episode was the one where pacey rutted with joey for the first time. it was like some really big sad romantic thing, a turning point in their lives, but goddamn, i couldnt help thinking if i had her in front of me, i'd go rick james all over her ass

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

HI, I AM THE AMAZING RANDY!

― THE AMAZING RANDY (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd just like to voice my approval of the word "rutted" once again being used to describe the act of coitus. with such usages, sure we shall advance as a society.

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

you guys are sick

― Brittany, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The DC gossip thread is turning me into an emotional retard.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

for me its the urine thread.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

this has got to be the dumbest website.....if you people hate the show so much why do you waste your time talking about it and complaining about how sucky it is?

― Brittany Burt, Thursday, 13 November 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Y'know, she's got a point. Oh well. Anyway, I've never watched Dawson's Creek, is it any good?

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Brittany, do you have a dayjob?

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

god if i had a nickel for everytime that was said
(double xpost)

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

you must be young brittany, cause otherwise you'd know that talking about things you hate is WAY more fun than talking about things you like. By the time your my grandparents' age, that's like all you do!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

this has got to be the dumbest website.....if you people hate the show so much why do you waste your time talking about it and complaining about how sucky it is?

Precisely.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Snap, Ned.

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

because we share society with ppl who like it and who therefore concern, puzzle, worry, annoy or disappoint us

and by expressing these feelings instead of being stoical we act like the characters on the show

so you should like that

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

except we don't use words like persnickety, because thats just wank

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 13 November 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

To answer all of your questions...no, I do not have a day job I am only 14. And Matt- Dawson's creek is a GREAT show I really reccomend that you take the time to watch, you might enjoy it!:)

-talking about things you hate is WAY more fun than talking about things you like

Ii would like to know why you think this is true?...Just wondering

― Brittany, Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

You get to swear more, primarily.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-psot) because a: there's alot more stuff to hate out there, and b: tearing others down makes me feel big - makes me feel like a man.

what you must understand, brittany, is that the name "i love everything" is ironic.

― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, showing up 14 year olds is fucking hardcore.

you must be young brittany, cause otherwise you'd know that talking about things you hate is WAY more fun than talking about things you like.

Hey, it's everything wrong with ILM in a nutshell.

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

turning?

― kephm, Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Ii would like to know why you think this is true?...Just wondering

Brit, do you see those little letters at the top right of this window? the ones that read "I" "L" "M"? click on those and feel the power of hate flowing thru you.

only the power of the Dark Side is strong enough to stave off killing those in the office you'll most likely one day work in.

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

ok dyson...I still don't understand why hating everything is so great but if it makes you feel like a man then go ahead :) also Jay I did read the ILM threads and your right I did feel the power of hate!!

― Brittany, Thursday, 13 November 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha. I've never watched an episode of Dawson's Creek, but now I wish I had since IMDB told me today than a surprising amount of the cast of Twin Peaks has popped up on it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 13 November 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

your right I did feel the power of hate!!

goooood. *clasped hands* GOOOOOOOoooood.

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Thursday, 13 November 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Dawson's Creek has certain flaws.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Thursday, 13 November 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith- what flaws do you believe dawson's creek has? Just wondering

― Brittany, Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

James van Der Beek, primarily.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

the name "Dawson", secondarily.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick OTM

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, Quadrophonia was miles better.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus last season they gave Jen a terrible haircut, made her lust after a mean and tedious dink, and then KILLED HER!

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

James van Der Beek is 43.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

James Van Der Beek was kind of great in "The Rules Of Attraction".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

He has one expression and a head like a juice box.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

And he's 43.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.earth-friendly.com/images/jpfart.jpg

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

van der geek is less attractive than that juicebox

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus the juicebox is three-dimensional.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

with a greater range of acting skills

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, i want keith's monitor.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

And it's not 43.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

How about "it gives the illusion of being three-dimensional"?

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you'll find that's not a juice-box at all.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

whereas van der geek only gives the illusion of being a sentient being

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Tetrapak!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I was gonna get Magritte on your ass but decided better.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

So, which Jen-season is our favorite? S1 Lolita? S4/5(?) college-radio DJ? S6 corpse?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

the ones where she is hottt and sassy

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

According to TVWP, Jen gave herself the haircut.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved Jen's little dutchboy haircut. I gave myself that haircut during college. My head was a vastness of roundness.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

According to TVWP, Jen gave herself the haircut.

Yes, but these people also seem sure that Dawson had a love triangle with his TV father and the creator of the show (I only made it five pages in).

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

oh my gosh...what is so wrong with james?? he is a GREAT actor and he is wicked HOTT!!!!! you people don't have any taste! your just jealous of him!:P

― Brittany, Friday, 14 November 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

jealous? i dunno, who has he fucked recently?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 14 November 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

kelly osbourne

― oops (Oops), Friday, 14 November 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

sonofa

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 14 November 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Jessica Biel.

And that blonde girl.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 14 November 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

oh snap maybe now i am jealous

― oops (Oops), Friday, 14 November 2003 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"According to TVWP, Jen gave herself the haircut."

Jen did, or Michelle did?

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Friday, 14 November 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

whoo trippy

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 14 November 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, before scrolling down, I was going to be all, "Actually, Michelle Williams gave herself the haircut. < /Mary>"

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 November 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Just to let you know "surface noise" you don't have to have sex with someone to be hott or a good actor. That was a really low thing to say.

― Brittany, Friday, 14 November 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

This is going to run and run, isn't it?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Just to let you know "surface noise" you don't have to have sex with someone to be hott or a good actor. That was a really low thing to say.

Thanks for clearing that up, Brittany! I think my future auditions are going to be VERY different.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting visions of Dan Perry and Nickalicious both going for an audition to be the lead female in a zombie film now. I feel wrong.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel love.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The thread title is STILL the truest statement that's ever been thought or uttered during my lifetime.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Why thank you Francis.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i've never even watched dawsons' creek, but this thread alone is turning me into an emotional retard.

― dyson's crack (dyson), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

How many years has it been running now? And Dawson still hasn't found any fucking creek, has he? Asshat.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

why the hell did I say Dawsons Creek was Science Fiction?

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Run, Brittany, run! Far away from this wicked place!

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, the show's off the air now. But you're right, he never found the creek. Sad, really.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

He was up shit's creek many a time though, no?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

so i'm to understand that dawson's creek was a metaphorical creek of shit.

lovely. and you people watched this?

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

and without the paddles he lost when he sold his Atari 2600

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

To rephrase, Michelle W. take herself the haircut.

TVWP's word is gospel. I pity those who refuse to accept their fodder.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

ok Nick Southall...not to be mean but you really are a loser. Everything you say never makes sence...

Fransis- you have no idea what your talking about the title of this thread is so NOT true.

Kieth- what are ya talking about buddy? lol

Run, Brittany, run! Far away from this wicked place!

― Brittany, Friday, 14 November 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

well, it could have been worse. She could have found us thru the DMB thread.

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Friday, 14 November 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

May your flowers bloom and your fruit produce, Brittany.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

That's actually the most sincere thing I've ever written, anywhere, ever.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

your still not making any sence Nick?

― Brittany, Friday, 14 November 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I try not to.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 November 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Q: How many Dadaists does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Fish!

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 15 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

makes more sense than your average ile post

(xpost See?)

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 15 November 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

So Brittany, what is turning our children into emotional retards? (Not implying you are one, btw).

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Drugs!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

C'mon Nick, I was appointing Brittany spokesperson for her generation here.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Keith. If it's any consolation I'm sure she'd say something completely different to what I just said.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, like "nick southall"

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

lmfao

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I kiss you Jess.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

no tongues

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe a little

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I just think it's cool that the 14-year-old is obviously WAY less of an emotional retard than any of us.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd noticed that as well. Kidn of scary.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

give her time

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

90210 turned me into an emotional retard a long time ago

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

90210 made me want sideburns. And now I have them!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Harrison Ford in 1977 made me want sideburns, and now i have them as well!

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Sitting in my room reading books turned me into an emotional retard. Watching TV is all that kept me even barely socialized.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

90210 made me want sideburns. And now I have them!

CLEANSE YOUR SOUL.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I wondered what Ned would say.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Come to Ask A Drunk Brittany, we hate nothing there, we especially don't hate precious Dawson and his lovely, lovely Creek.

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newquestions.php?board=13

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Saturday, 15 November 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Not fair! Get your own Representative American Teen. Don't come poach ours.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought someone made a new forum called "Ask A Drunk Brittany"

This thread makes me feel like jess before he went all twee.

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the same thing!

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

dawsons creek is not as good as quincy m.e. so it can go eat a bag of dicks.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith- I don't believe that all our children are becoming emotionally retarded...but the ones that do have problems and get involved or do things they shouldn't do is because of what they see and hear on the t.v, on the radio,or at home...(sex,drugs,violence etc). But Dawson's creek is not a show that causes children to become emotionally retarded...you don't see any drugs, or violence on that show do you? Its just a show about a couple of teens growing up and going through all the problems that our youth face today. Also how can it be causing our children to be emotionally retarded when kids don't even watch this show?

― Brittany, Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Voodoo!

http://www.jbdiner.com/bond/08lald/samedi4.jpg

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Kotto!

http://website.lineone.net/~marko.carter/bond/pics/kananga.jpg

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Mesmer!

http://www.moviemaker.com/issues/44/images/Cure.1.jpg

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Vespa!

http://moped2.org/i/vespa.jpg

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Feyenoord Rotterdam!

http://209.70.53.68/wblmgraphics/finger.jpg

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Chief?

McCloud!

http://www.mccloudhotel.com/images/mccloud-sign.jpg

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

ans = no obv

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

errr...

Cottage cheese!

http://www.eisenbergfamily.com/Page13/M13P1.jpg

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Dawson's Creek threads are no jokes separate seriously meant it are only always 2 equal people mean it is a joke!

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Proper dental care!

http://www.goletabike.org/teeth.jpg

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

But really Brittany, wasn't Jen's haircut last season just awful? What kind of message was that sending the younger generation? Plus you should not tell impressionable teens that No Doubt concerts are cool.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Al Leong!

http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/alleong.jpg
"I love Dawson's Creek and Kaie Holmes is so hot and i hate all you fuckers who diss them but shot all the people who like them!!"

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Shirtless Al Leong!

http://goldsea.com/ABH/Al/al2.jpg

"Aw yeah, that Katie chick is totally gun' melt all over me when she gets a peek of these pecs!"

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Zoot Suits!

http://www.spotlitemagic.com/spotlitemagic/images/itemslarge/BlueZootSuit.gif

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith- Yes, I'll admit that Jen's haircut was AWFUL lol..but I think other kids can also see how awful it is so its not like they are gonna go out and get their hair cut like Jen's? Besides what does that have to do with Children becoming emotionally retarded? just wondering...

what are all these pictures about? lol

― Britt, Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Froot Loops!

http://www.citycyber.com/mayyen/images/sweetcereal2.gif

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 November 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what are all these pictures about?

Associative dialectics re yr question : "Also how can it be causing our children to be emotionally retarded when kids don't even watch this show?" Observe & learn plz.

Spiders.... Red Crayon Spiders!

http://www.liloia.com/images/crayon_home2.jpg

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 16 November 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed.

The Chores!

http://www.saskschools.ca/~gregory/sask/farm/chores.jpg

― Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 November 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

OK people we need to have a policy that somebody notifies J0hn immediately whenever a thread gets googled, because I REALLY REALLY LOVE when threads get googled

to answer your original question, Nick, it's pharmaceutical corps that are making emotional cripples of Americans...and we're coming for you lot next! The incidence of mental illness remains fairly constant until the DSM gets revised in order to broaden the total number of people to whom this or that diagnostic criteria can be applied.

Dawson's Creek and any other entertainments whose content may seem stunted are symptoms, not causes.

A sincere welcome to Brittany!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 16 November 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I love this thread so much. It's like a microcosm of all that is ILX.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 17 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Brittany's gone. Now that's surprising.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 17 November 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

nope...actually I'm not gone :)

― Brittany, Monday, 17 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yay Brittany!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Brittany I think you're needed over on the "at the end of the day, all we have is ourselves" thread

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

what?

― Brittany, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

exACTLY.

― Jeremy the Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Just read the whole of this thread.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Poor Brittany.

― Pete S, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

what?

― Jeremy the Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you Pete! :)

― Brittany, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

hi brittany you shd contribute to other thread also:
the current list is here

the ppl here like arguing about everything but they are nice (some of the time)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

threads plural I think mark means

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

but I agree with Mark, I wish you'd join other threads - you have an awesome attitude

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

People get corrupted by cynicism, Brittany. Sometimes it's because their parents didn't care enough for them.

There should be more positive, fresh, life-affirming people like you in the world. Don't change!

― Pete S, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

in england thread is the plural of thread, like sheep and fish

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

man if I had a 14 y/o daughter I 'd do everything I could do keep her away from places like this.

(xposts)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

which sounds like i'm bashing ilx, but i'm not. just referring to the uncensored nature of it.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

oh pshaw and likewise humbug! it's just swearing and kittens mainly

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Brittany have you considered politics as a career option?
I know you're a little young to be thinking about that too much, but we need some decent people in political life.

― Pete S, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I have never really considered politics....to tell you the truth in real life I really don't have a loud mouth or an attitude I am pretty shy. I think I was so outspoken with this thread because I completely disagreed with what it had to say...and also because I am a huge fan of dawson's creek. But ya know maybe I will considerate polotics for a career. I'm not really sure what I would like to be yet but hey I've got sometime still to think about it. :)

― Brittany, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Brittany, welcome! and take heart--most of the people on this thread (and board) are also pretty shy in real life. that's why they act like jerks on the internet! (nb: not all of of you, you sillies)

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever you decide to do Brittany, it must help involve helping people. That's the only way you stand a chance of not ending up bitter and twisted and sick and self-pitying and with your soul shrivelled to nought, just like all the people on this website.

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"most of the people on this thread (and board) are also pretty shy in real life. that's why they act like jerks on the internet!

Except in M's case it's the other way around! Ha, I can say that cuz he won't curse at me in front of a 14-yr-old.

Anyway, everyone's glad you're here Brittany, and you've done a great job of answering ridiculous questions with reasonable answers. Though I still say No Doubt is bad for the youth.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Pete, how does entering politics keeps one from ending up bitter and twisted and sick and self-pitying and with your soul shrivelled to nought?

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

If you are pure of heart, like Brittany, you'll find a way through.

Politics is supposed to be about helping people, right?

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it's also about compromise and lesser evils and all that other sausage-making mess. I think heading in with a "pure heart" is a pretty sure recipe for disillusionment.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Says the head not the heart.

You think too much!

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith: fuck you too, asshole!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos, think of the children!

Pete, you feel too much!

Keith, you use too many exclamation points!

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haha I'm using exclamation points galore in my reviews for you from now on! and my posts!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos, prepare to meet my good friend "Track Changes"

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

still recovering from **c* *a***'s package today, I take it?

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

excuse me, I take it?!?!?!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"Except in M's case........he won't curse at me in front of a 14 yr old"

Somewhat mistaken

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"still recovering from **c* *a***'s package today, I take it?"

dude: laws, sausages and record reviews, know what I'm saying?

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith knows I'll curse in front of everybody, he's just fucking with me!

Damn! Exclamations marks are fun! I will use them all the time now! Thanks, Keith, for inspiring me in this fashion! You won't regret it!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith, I have no fucking idea what you're saying!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take "Things You Lose Respect For When You See How They're Made" for 500, Dick

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

gotcha!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why'd you call 'im a dick for?

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

he's my editor! part of the job!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

No silly, Dick Clark on 25,000 Pyramid.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

shhh!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Irony does not translate well here, does it

'Twas a silly gag anyway

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

hear that Keith?! stop being silly! especially on a thread with a title like "Dawson's Creek is turning our children into emotional retards"!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Pete, honest, I didn't know if that translated into British.

And no, irony is hard to pull off here. That's what we all sound even jerkier than we are.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Like uberjerks

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

you sound like a swell motherfucker yourself there, Pete S!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Our people have long been prophesied, Pete. You can see us depicted in the most ancient of carvings. For years, it was thought we were legend. Until now...

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Pete, you feel too much!

I thank you for giving me this phrase.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Too much emotional retardedness, not enough Dawson's Creek, methinks.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I once lived with a guy who looked a little like an anorexic Dawson, he turned me into an emotional retard.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"...not enough Dawson's Creek"

I've never watched an episode all the way through. It's mind-numbing.

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, at the risk of taking a silly question seriously, the answer is no, of course not. No more than it's turning our children gay or inspiring them to read the Two Gentlemen of Verona or driving them to become hokey Spielberg-besotted filmmakers with rectangular skulls. The effects of pop culture are rarely that direct, Ms. Cheney. Also mental health issues /= emotional retardation, thanks.

I will say, though, that I've seen shows like Dawson's work as a kind of screwed-up wish fulfillment for scenester-types in their 20s (and 30s). What's usually written off as a cliched "fear of committment" in these post-kids seems to me more a love of the melodrama that comes from drifting through inadequate, serially monogamous relationships. I think the appeal of DC for people who are demographically "too old for it" is tied in with this.

All that said, I'm sure last season must have severely drained the serotonin out of the diehards who hadn't already had their expectations crushed. (Just like last season's Buffy did to me.) As an outside observer, I thought DC '02-03 was one of the most fascination car-crashes in recent TV history, and I couldn't look away.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, Keith, very true, very true.

May i say I feel AMBIVALENT towards YOUR tits, HOWEVER?

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I nevah.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks Kieth. :) Oh and by the way your right I agreee that no doubt is bad for our youth!

― Brittany, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

You're welcome!

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

sooo what do we want to talk about now...? lol

― Brittany, Sunday, 23 November 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Brittany, you should come post on some of the other threads. I think folks are running out of DC comments for the time being.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 23 November 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

alright...are there any threads that you reccomend for me?

― Brittany, Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a shortage of interesting debates right now, in my opinion, but for fun & laffs I l like this one: if you were a wrestler, what song would you want played as you enter the ring?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

lol alright thanks

― Brittany, Monday, 24 November 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

I can't believe mark s tried to tell a teenage girl that 'sheep' is the plural of 'fish'.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

But see, I _don't_ wanna wait for my life to be over... and Dawson did.

BTW, that song is all about anal sex.

― Queen G of the morning after, Thursday, 1 April 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Taking sides:

I give up, we're all fucked
a pile of bodies for the dustbin man
it was a party where the truth spilled out
and people woke up with a different plan
a skinny hippy, in the kitchen
doing magic - turning water into wine
it looked dodgy but it tasted fine...

wrap me up in sellotape
bind my body to my mistakes
the daily mail readers have defeated me
spend another sunday watching dawson's creek

I was a scientist until I was 22
I had an education ready for use
but mother nature gave me head on the beach
and she hung out of reach until I begged for her
I told her everything... I told her too much
I told her everything... I told her too much
I told her everything... (you always do that)

wrap me up in sellotape
bind my body to my mistakes
the daily mail readers have defeated me
spend another sunday watching dawson's creek

we will carry on and on without you
when you leave the room without you
breathe the open air, remember why you're there
or you will be the first against the wall
when the revolution comes - we'll be having fun

wrap me up in sellotape
bind my body to my mistakes
the dumb motherfuckers have defeated me
spend another sunday watching dawson's creek

vs.

You think you know it all,
I see it in the way you’re speaking.
The long words that you use,
Are starting to get irritating,
I’ve got the urge to knock you out,
And i can’t handle this.
The ladder outside your bedroom window
Really takes the piss

Step back take a look where you’re at,
You’re just a raving Dawson’s maniac...

You think that you know everything
Take one step back and look at yourself
I think you dont know anything
All my friends think that youre such a freak
And your just a Dawson’s geek
Dawson’s Dawson’s geek

Why cant you see that you dont look like him
in anyway
At least that kid has friends and thats alot more
than you can say
youve lost your mind and i dont think that you
know who you are
Naming you dog ‘Pacey’ was taking things a little
too far

step back take a look at where youre at
youre just a raving Dawson’s maniac...

I guess I’ll have to wait for your life to be over,
I guess I’ll have to wait,
I guess I’ll have to wait...

Oi!Oi!

I think you dont know anything
All my friends think that youre such a freak
And your just a Dawson’s geek.

(One of those songs plagiarised one of our songs, so obviously I'm picking the other.)

― Super-Kate (kate), Thursday, 1 April 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Just had to search this for the Jared Leto Gets Hideously Disfigured In The Movies database it contains. What a fucking great thread.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 21 June 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

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