is SCARFACE (the1983 one, fuckwits) the grate-est film of all time?

(Translation- "f-ing cockroach")

Classic of course.

You do realize that you're defending Puff Daddy, right?

DePalma is a hack. Discuss, please. If someone can actually tell me how a person can shamelessly reference AND ape Hitchcock for so damn long and not get called on it, I'd be very appreciative. (And _Snake Eyes_ is the garbage that garbage throws in the garbage - from the ham-it-up performances to shooting its load ONE HOUR IN to the Meredith Brooks outro music.)

Somehow, DePalma & Oliver Stone (...ugh...) managed to cancel each other's bad juju and put together a decent flick.

Scarface is a bit of a dud, but it was redeemed a bit in 1990 when the Geto Boys plundered all that was good about it for their second record. You don't even need to see the movie, really -- just buy that record. It's better than the movie. Flavor Flav also helped redeem the movie around the same time ("Welcome to the Terrordome," if I'm not mistaken).

Boing.

But I'm being catty for no apparent reason. I'll hush.

Re Brian DePalma: yea, his career is a bit ass innit? Never really lived up to his potential (contemporary of Scorsese and Coppola, and DePalma was the one who discovered Robert DeNiro for what it's worth). Still, gotta give him his props for Carrie, Dressed to Kill, Blow Out, Greetings and Hi, Mom! (the latter two being late sixties/early seventies films that are hard to get, but must see if you can). I also loved how he ripped off Battleship Potemkin for the baby-carriage scene from The Untouchables (and how DeNiro stole the show in that one -- "Fuck you AND your family!" was the perfect line to throw at Kevin Costner). I'll even stick up for Mission to Mars, which was pretty unfairly maligned (hype can be overly negative, too, ya know).

And, am I the only one round here who hated Silence of the Lambs? Speak about overrated dreck.

Pacino's def. classic -- he, DeNiro, and Clint Eastwood are the Holy Trinity of American actors :-)

as for DePalma: untouchable in the 70s, 'Carrie' is utter genius. Then he blew it in the 80s. And please someone explain why that 'Nam movie, where I *always* forget the title of, is supposed to be a masterpiece, I read the Kael review of it recently and it was as if she was talking around the actual movie. Needless to say Mission to Mars is a joke (although that Van Halen-thingy was pretty ace).

Enough of that ... what do folks in here think about Scarface's chainsaw-in-the-bathroom scene?

(and funny that this thread should come back to life, since i just rented "scarface" last night.)

Pacino will always be the best actor around .....

so keep your bad comments to yourself.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

damn i was looking for pics of scarface and ran across your dumb ass remarks,,,,,you must not have a life ,,, do ya ?? :)

Let's see...*what* were you doing again?

The soundtrack of the 1983 Scarface features on the 'Flashback FM' retro station on Grand Theft Auto 3.

Is yours?

Let's not forget the over-the-top ending. Okay, how many bullets hit Tony? Well, countless. Oh, and what does he say while he's being shot, "I can take your fucking bullets!" (or something like that, I don't like the movie so I'm not going to memorize the lines). How fake is that? I felt like I was watching a Looney Toons episode (like Elmer Fudd trying to shoot Bugs Bunny, it's pathetic). That damn ending is just as real as a cartoon for crying out loud.

Let's not forget how the movie just drags on, and on, and on. It's twice as long as it's original.

Oh, and one more thing. About all those rappers on Cribs who have all that Scarface shit in their house doesn't mean anything to me. I don't mean to be stereotypical, but those guys only resort to violence. I mean, that's why they like it. I guess Scarface is made for people who can't find any other ways of solving their problems, just like Tony. You just have to use violence.

I hope I made a point here. OVERRATED!

So lets start over. Why do you think it's so great? Tony is cool, no denying that; but I don't think Pacino's awesome performance can save this movie. It was too long for me; I didn't like anybody else in the movie; the ending was way over the top (you can't disagree); it is so unloyal to it's original; I just can't care for it. How could you like it so much?

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his moral dilemma: he didn't want to kill the wife and kids, but many people forget the OTHER behavior tony had...he didn't like to be bossed around. ever since he started with frank, he wanted to run the biz and do things his way. so when he was being ordered to kill somebody...he wasn't liking it. (which is evident b/c through the entire scene while they're going to pull the hit, tony is irritated). his irritation might be caused b/c he likes to do things his way and not follow orders, OR it could be the fact that his mass usage of cocaine was messing with his head. using cocaine makes you very irritable and restless. and seeing the wife and kids in the car was kinda like the last straw and he concluded that he wasn't going to pull the hit under any circumstances...

the final scene: sure, tony got his ass kicked by countless amounts of bullets. but there was a cinematic reasoning behind it when you think about it. tony wanted the world. he wanted to rule everything and everyone. he wanted to be a god. so he went out in a god-like fashion...he took on everyone by himself. that is his major tragic flaw throughout the movie...nothing is right unless he does it himself (killing, counting money, giving orders). so it would only be right if he fought alone til the end. he had already lost everything he had (wife, best friend, sister), so he was on his god- trip thinking that he was going to crush everyone in his path. plus...HE WAS DOPED UP ON COKE!! so if you wanna look at it realistically, cocaine raises your blood pressure, body temperature, and your energy level, and your heart rate... and if you know anything about biology, you'd know that with all that crap going on inside your body, your endurance level raises as well. so basically, his mind was so coked up that his brain wasn't realizing that he was supposed to be dead. only, for dramatic purposes, they would end the movie with a "you can't always get what you want" motto in that tony wanted to go out fighting and take everyone with him...like a hero, or a warrior...but only ended up being cowardly shot in the back.

that's why the last scene is so dramatic. because he dies under his "the world is yours" slogan...stating that he wanted EVERYTHING...but would come to find out that it was far too much for him to handle...

for all other points in the movie, just remember tony's selfishness. nobody was good enough for his sister... he wanted to count the money himself... he even took control of the job that manny set up... he negotiated deals even when he wasn't in charge... he worked for everything he got, and received it all, but the wealth and power is what eventually killed him. i guess...be careful what you wish for...

let me know what you guys think about all this...

"come onnnnnnn pelican!" :-D

Frank obscenity doesn't make a good movie.

Graphic sex or commentary on doesn't make a good movie.

Overacting doesn't make a good movie.

On all accounts this movie was horrible. Using small amounts any of the three *would* have made a good movie, but sadly, this didn't happen. You want to see a *really* bad movie, look at Pearl Harbor. It ranks right up there with Scarface -- probably tying for first in the bad movie category with "Omega Man" being #2. You want to see a good movie? Try going out to the USS Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor and watch the short film there. THAT is a good movie.

Bazooka Joe

Bazooka Joe

Good acting does not necessarily mean "believable," you know.

Oh and good acting to me *does* mean believeable, at least to the point where you can imagine the actor actually *being* the person he's portraying. I just thought Al did a poor job.

Bazooka Joe

I notice Jeffy-joe-bob was afraid to comment on my "miami vice" question. He probably thinks I'd make fun of his well-played vcr recordings of every episode. But I wouldn't, you know, to each thier own.

BJ

EXACTLY my point! Your post does a GREAT job at looking like it was written by a coke-head: No grammar, insults, pressured speech, the whole works. You could (and should) have given big Al lessons, it would have made the movie better. That is, of course, assuming you are not yourself a coke-head in which case I feel sorry for you, and would hope that you get help.

With regards to the Powerpuff girls movie, I haven't seen it yet, but I'd bet in advance it's a more realistic portrayal of the underworld and crime fighting than Scarface was. Probably with better acting, too.

I'll make you a deal, you keep to the half-wit section of the video store, and I'll try my best not to laugh when you walk out with your 8 Van Damme movies.

Bazooka Joe

i like how you start attacking my grammar. that was...interesting at best. funny how you're quick to change the subject when you're proven wrong about something. oh and i DO apologize for my improper grammar... see i WOULD have better grammar if i thought a message thread was worth it.

and good job again for bashing me about insulting you. just, before you speak about that again...take a look up and see who threw the first direct insult. you might be pleasantly surprised hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyypocrite.

but please, next time, before you go and judge a character in a movie, at least try and figure out what the character is first. tony montana isn't a random crackhead like one of your friends, but keep thinking that way. i really don't care. i just hope you don't need any cranial surgery in your lifetime, because the skull is probably too thick for any blade to pierce.

so you go do whatever you like...or keep 'em comin. i'm enjoying this.

oh, and have a nice day.

I just saw this! It's certainly up there on my list. Wonderful.

BEST POST EVER.

Still, why doesn't anyone want to point out that the soundtrack features Rush Rush and is therefore fantastical? You people are all morons. GTA3 has a radio station that is entirely Scarface songs. Why can't you buy the soundtrack anymore? Bastards. Not that any of it besides Rush Rush is any good but my friend wanted the soundtrack.

You know, when my wife and I first met (a long time ago) one of the things that irritated me was that she'd buy movie soundtracks rather than the the albulms the songs came off. Pretty petty to be sure, but then I found a good gal. Anyway, over time I've come to agree with her, there are some good sound tracks out there.

Jeffy,

Blah. You'll have to make it interesting to continue.

Bazooka Joe

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Well said, Bazooka Joe. I couldn't have said it better myself. Yet again, don't waste your time arguing. Most of these people don't even know what they're talking about - almost all of them haven't even seen the original, or even knew their precious 1983 version was a rip-off. Most of these people are gangsters who think they're Tony Montana - They think nobody's going to mess with them because people are afraid of Tony, but what they don't realise is that they're going to end up like him too.

There's no talking to these people, all they want is an agruement - no a debate. They want to act like little kids. I decided to stop posting a long time ago.

yeah, i wanna know why you can't get Scarface any more either -- it's a seminal film to so many people, it is odd that it's unavailable

I just hate Oliver Stone, so he's who's scaring me off Scarface.

Ally, when was the last time you saw the Godfather? I mean, it's really good!

The Godfather is crap and ain't shit nexta Scarface. EH? EH?!

Seriously, the Godfather is on tv like 3 times a month, at least. I see it all the time. It's not that good. It's ok, the first one is best and the rest go downhill from there. It's overlong. It's also the only time Al Pacino looked good.

Lousy movie with an overacting Al. Christopher Walken would have done a great job, although played the role quite differently.

CHRISTOPHER WALKEN AS TONY MONTANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Say hello...tomylittle friend, eh?"

Scarface isn't unenjoyable on a campy level, but is there anybody who can really argue that there aren't extended parts of this film that aren't dead-ass boring (does it in any way need to be two tapes long)? It's pretty similar to Year Of The Dragon (another absurd Stone-written epic) in that sense. Both films have ludicrous, hammy leads, though Scarface has better set pieces. The only DePalma films that I've seen that I like less are Mission To Mars, Raising Cain and Bonfire Of The Vanities. That said, this is probably one of my favorite Stone-written movies cuz DePalma directed it.

HOW WOULD THAT NOT HAVE IMPROVED THINGS!?

Ally is now ViscerAlly.

haha this is the thread where Ally has a complete nervous breakdown and crisis of faith over some completely inconsequential remark made by basically a stranger!

the 1932 Scarface is a better film than the 1983 one on every level except the "Al Pacino saying 'fuck' 182 times" level, which I admit is a pretty formidable one.

"I can' even have a kid with her, mang. Her wooomb is too pah-loooted."

Love,
H. B-C

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this would, of course, have been beyond amazing.

between my scarface love (yes, i prefer it to the godfather, any day) and my EATB love, mr. miccio must think that my artistic tastes are from neptune.

I will try again.

(email me if you want to go on Thurs? because my cell phone isn't working right, I'm not getting my voicemails in a timely fashion)

(if it's running for more than one week then next week would be better though)

(but I wanna go)

(parenthesis!)

I like DePalma too, he's a pretty great director. Nothing wrong with thievery when it comes to genre pics, especially if you add your own touch. A lot more respectable than, say, that fop who steals outright from Scorsese and Altman to craft his meaningful San Fernando Valleys epics about porn and frog rainstorms.

And Femme Fatale! most wonderful.

If this was 1974 I would so kill Oliver Stone. But it's too late.

On the one hand, this really is the future. This is the first time I've seen a store (certainly a bigname store like Amazon) offer exclusive streamed content as an incentive to buy something.

On the other hand, what if after you buy the DVD, the parade of brutalism reveals to you that the influence of Scarface has been entirely malign? Can you return the DVD, and do they have something to watch to scrub the clip from your mind?

(I've never seen this; probably wouldn't be a fan)

I think it may be worth purchasing for that alone

The movie itself was okay, but definitely didn't live up to the hype. Compared to later stuff like GoodFellas and even "The Sopranos", it all just seemed to stagey. If you want your gangster movie to be all hard and shit, it should possess the ability to be turned into a Broadway musical, if need be.

Yes, Mr. De Palma. They're sitting in a car. Thanks for the trombone shot.

Enough of that ... what do folks in here think about Scarface's chainsaw-in-the-bathroom scene?

I like how this line killed the original run of this thread for three months.

The movie itself was okay, but definitely didn't live up to the hype. Compared to later stuff like GoodFellas and even "The Sopranos", it all just seemed too stagey. If you want your gangster movie to be all hard and shit, it shouldn't possess the ability to be turned into a Broadway musical, if need be.

WHAT? Scarface is just plain AWESOME. Maybe because it seems dated to you (compared to Goodfellas)? I dunno, just a guess. One of my favourite movies EVAH together with Repo Man, Fast Times @... and maybe Deliverance.

i know it's played, as a reference point, and all that, but it's pretty fucking funny. and stylish.

Also the fact that Scarface could easily be turned into a Bway musical is easily it's biggest draw.

but i suppose that could be a kind of praise?

wow, does ally still think that?

-- The Man Without Shadow (miltonpinsk...) (webmail), March 10th, 2006 9:04 AM

this would be the GRATE-EST musical ever, if it ever came to be!

I saw one scene of Scarface on basic cable recently -- where Al shoots the guy in the car who wants to carry on assassinating a heavy hitter's entire family -- and it struck me that it had the tone of an Andy Kaufman meta-stunt.

Stick with '32 Hawks/Muni. I do like snarling "you wor'less piece o' chit" tho.

i havent finished scarface yet. i have to watch it in 3 installments because its so fucking long.

also, that whole tony moving up in the world musical montage was the gayest thing ive ever seen.

I forgot to mention that. It was like discovering the Rosetta Stone of every bad eighties "We can do it!" montage ever.

And that shot where Tony walks into the camera going into the jump cut where he's walking away? I perfected that shot with my family's videocamera, circa. 1986.

CLASSIC. CLASSIC! CLASSIC!! Did I mention that Scarface was CLASSIC!?!?!? Yeah, it is a bit on the stupid side (lessee, how many bullets does it take to kill a coked-up Al Pacino?) But Scarface has some of the most gleefully obscene dialogue of any film, so many classic lines ("Come say hello to my li'l friend!" "Look at you now!" "This town is like a great big pussy, it's jus' waitin' to get FOCKED!" "I'm not gon' kill you. Manny, choot that piece o' CHIT!") Scarface became to me and my college friends what Rocky Horror was to others -- memorized the lines and acted out the characters (you can tell that certain college students had WAY too much time on their hands freshman year). "All I got in this world is my balls an' my word, and I don't break 'em for no-one" is one of my slogans in this here world.

-- Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (5 years ago) Link

I just saw "Scarface" for the first time last week, and the whole time I kept thinking "why the hell is this considered to be such a gangster classic?...it's so terrible, the writing is shit, pacino's horribly gimmicky and one-dimensional, etc...what a total crap film." I couldn't see how anyone could talk about it in the same ranks as the "Godfather" or "Goodfellas". Nothing glamorous a la "Blow" or romantic a la the Corleone legacy, etc. But then I read the above quote and couldn't stop laughing, it all made sense. Now I want to see it again with a couple of bros and some beer and laugh my ass off.

To admit in Miami that you have...reservations about this film will get you chainsawed in the shower.

hahahaha wait, you watched scarface hoping for a serious, quality film? :D

yeah I mean anything set in Miami cannot make sense, at all. Not only is it against the law, it's also impossible. cf birdcage, miami vice, csi miami, on and on and on

I never saw it until a couple of years ago. But as it turned out, a couple decades of listening to rap CDs has prepared me by quoting nearly every line of dialog at one point or another.

plus that song by will smith

I've only seen half of this movie.

That half a movie was one of the funniest things ever.

Also, "Bad Boys"/"Bad Boys II"

MUNI

-CH

Is the end (not the coda) of "True Lies" in Miami or Key West?

Nothing glamorous a la "Blow"

wtf

Had this movie been made in 1985 Pacino would have slaughtered to the tune of "Conga."

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I never saw it until a couple of years ago. But as it turned out, a couple decades of listening to rap CDs has prepared me by quoting nearly every line of dialog at one point or another.

-- Oilyrags, Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:35 PM

yes i

wait, you watched scarface hoping for a serious, quality film? :D

to be fair, a lot of people talk about it like it's actually a good movie. Roger Ebert has a great movie essay on it, fer chrissakes!

I find it almost completely unwatchable. At least it has Robert Loggia, I guess.

http://www.cinemaffiche.com/images/grandes/Scarface%20(A).jpg

you guys have seen cocaine cowboys? it makes the argument, indirectly, that scarface in is fact completely totally realistic. also i love this movie. especially the palm tree sunset office wall.

ya morbs muni's pretty all right too.

you guys have seen cocaine cowboys? it makes the argument, indirectly, that scarface in is fact completely totally realistic.

Yes - lots of people died in the Miami of the early eighties.

No – anyone as plainly ridiculous as Pacino wouldn't have survived 10 minutes.

JUST A BIT OF FUN ALFRED FYI

ok the thing is that al pacino as a person is v ridiculous yet has survived longer than 10 minutes so really your argument is wrong.

The final bit of ludicrousness is the title at the end: “This film is dedicated to Howard Hawks and Ben Hecht.” For a master of the tacky and obscene like De Palma to pretend any fealty to those practitioners of economy and smarts is nothing short of absurd.

from filmcritic.com

Miami drugs:

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that griselda blanco hasnt shown up as a character in a feature film is totally wtf

that's a great character...but Hollywood would fuck it up and cast Cate Blanchett

j-lo

MUNI

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:37 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

-CH

-- s1ocki, Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:38 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lololol

it makes the argument, indirectly, that scarface in is fact completely totally realistic.

dude... it was written by Oliver Stone.

guys i was joking abt the realistic part

but also shit was crazy absurd there then

see the cocaine cowboys so awes

i don't know why anyone bothers to make joeks at all on ilx anymore

No matter what we say about Scarface, the joke's on us, because this movie still exists.

its awesome tho! (not joking)

basically, you are my least favorite person on this thread xpost

if by awesome you mean even more massively overdiscussed than Harrison Ford or Tarantino, oui.

wait, you have a thing about harrison ford now too?

god that is so random, who even still talks about harrison ford, he's no "shia lebouf" or whoever the kids like these days.

who ever talked abt harrison ford i dont understand

i freaked out when i realized he played a random lackey in apocalypse now.

um guys there was a recent Harrison Ford poll thread remember

yeah the harrison ford thread was basically just a "hot or not," I don't think it counts as discussion

you're retarded

not you, kenan

there was also a recent poll on "elizabeth banks" whoever that exactly is, i mean we don't have high standards on ilx when we get on a roll

Dozens of RAIDERS & STAR WARS threads -- why are you youngsters obsessed with escapist films made in my teens that mostly aren't so great? Stick with this current Golden Age of TV I keep reading about.

maybe I should see scarface again, because it's been years, and I imagine I was making the aforementioned mistake of looking for goodness, when in fact its heart is black and there is no goodness in it. Maybe for some silly camp yuks, then.

i dont know if you being a teenager has much to do w/it but the rest seems pretty self-explanatory

haha my little league baseball coach used to watch scarface weekly. he said it got funnier every time

Bill pushed by Pacino, Ono, others would protect dead celebrities

(AP) - ALBANY, New York-The names and images of famous New Yorkers including Mickey Mantle, Judy Garland and Malcolm X would be protected from advertising and promotion not authorized by their estates under a measure pushed by Al Pacino and Yoko Ono.

"I feel like one's likeness and image should be protected in some way and not abused or denigrated for the sake of profit," Pacino wrote to legislators after the estate of Lee Strasberg started talking to him.

If passed, the measure could result in a misdemeanor charge against a T-shirt maker or novelty manufacturer for unauthorized use of a celebrity's image, name, voice recordings, perhaps even their uniform number and signature. The protection could last for up to 70 years after the celebrity's death.

the rest seems pretty self-explanatory

go 'head (yer hype zombies?)

i actually think scarface is a awesome movie - its awesomeness lies in its over the topness - but its not like no one making it realized what they were doing - al pachino wasnt all this is how a real guy would do this right

Richard Pryor in Superman III was scarier.

ok morbs - most of us youngsters were small children when we first saw these movies, they were fantastical adventure stories like the ones kids have loved since before beginningless time, as we grew older they remained in a special little place deep in our hearts. the end.

goonies is good too have you seen that one.

will you guys just shut up about harrison ford?

kiu with getting the ilx demographic comically wrong, morbs, and we'll stick to the 'why are you posting from beyond the grave?'

superman 3, mx missile, richard pryor; also top notch.

they remained in a special little place deep in our hearts.

Not deep enough. You don't see me repping Willy Wonka in my sleep.

awww moorbs

You don't see me repping Willy Wonka in my sleep.

But you could if you wanted to, since it's legal in most states.

I'd find it terribly endearing if Morbs started taking about his great childhood cinematic loves, with a lilt in his voice and a twinkle in his eye.

like Jan-Michael Vincent?

no, that's just gay.

playing a cello by a lake

that was a joek: REAL gay was my 11-year-old's crush on Jodie Foster!

do you have a problem with lesbians or something?

I Want The One I Can't Have

lololololol

For the record, I was thirty-two when I saw Scarface the first time.

I'd find it terribly endearing if Morbs started taking about his great childhood cinematic loves, with a lilt in his voice and a twinkle in his eye.

In praise of E.T. -- The Extra-Terrestrial, released 25 years ago on June 11, 1982

i actually think scarface is a awesome movie - its awesomeness lies in its over the topness - but its not like no one making it realized what they were doing - al pachino wasnt all this is how a real guy would do this right

a shame that many of the film's biggest fans don't see it this way. "you watch it for the lessons," and all that.

what lessons?

don't get high off your own supply?

bitchez ain't shit?

when they finally come for you, possess enormous firepower

never trust nobody

What a tedious movie. I'd rather watch a 24 hour panel discussion about whether the dolphin that saved Elian Gonzales was sent by Jesus or the Bush family.

well that would make a much better miami movie

I've never seen this movie.

However, I did hang out with some Czech gypsies living illegally in London a few years ago, nine in a house, and was sort of surprised to see that they had a giant Scarface poster hanging in the living room.

simply, F Murray Abraham is no Boris Karloff.

and I was no child when I saw E.T.

RAIDERS & STAR WARS ... were fantastical adventure stories like the ones kids have loved since before beginningless time cheap movie serials of the '30s

fixed

I saw E.T. as part of a double-feature at a DRIVE IN!!!?? Sometimes it's hard to believe these things existed. The other movie was a monster movie; I think the people who ran the drive-in must have thought E.T. was another monster movie. (And yes, I remember people crying at the drive-in! Ambushed by emo!)

RAIDERS & STAR WARS ... were fantastical adventure stories like the ones kids have loved since before beginningless time cheap movie serials of the '30s

oh, go hang out with Harlan Ellison or something.

I saw E.T. as part of a double-feature at a DRIVE IN!!!?? Sometimes it's hard to believe these things existed.

i saw pirahna, rocky horror pic show and the first 5 minutes of moulin rouge at drive ins. all first run.

where on earth do you think that cheap movie serials came from, morbius?

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the *essence* of SW and Raiders comes from Flash Gordon and Bring Em Back Alive, respectively -- check the contemporaneous media reception and promotion. (It was years later that Lucas brought Joseph Campbell on board for cred.)

Where the de Palma Scarface got its essence I'm not quite sure. Oliver Stone's coke dealer, possibly.

morbius, i don't need to check the record, i know which serials you are referring to. what i'm asking you is, where do you think the serials came from besides exactly the post you snidely striked out and reposted with an asinine old man comment??

i mean, yes, yes, we are ALLLLLL v impressed with your wide breadth of knowledge but you basically didn't make any point other than "morbius knows a lot about films" which isn't really surprising but you could just say that, in the future, instead of trying to argue points with people you basically are in agreement with.

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oh yes, that's the one starring annabelle turd

i want to rent that swayze movie so hard in your face

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wow, I just looked up Alison Doody cuz absolutely no one remembers her from the 3rd Indy movie, for all the shit ppl give Kate Capshaw.

(oh Ally, sorry, not coming to Nats game this weekend)

My favorite part of Allan Quatermain is when Richard Chamberlain and Sharon Stone are captured by natives who mean to eat them, and they are thrown alive into a giant pot with water that's not even hot yet with vegetables floating in it. Brilliant movie.

I always thought there was more Doc Savage than anything else in Indiana (Quartermain's British, bit of a different angle there)

Here's what Scarface has going for it:

--A foreboding, ominous synth theme song by Giorgio Moroder
--Gratuitous violence that doesn't threaten the audience (since it's mostly gangsters and thugs that get killed and they take pains to spare women/children towards the end)
--Cute one-liners and egregious yet entertaining Pacino scenery-chewing

Here's what it has going against it:

--A ridiculous arc that is probably more like a rectangle. Almost immediately upon reaching the pinnacle of his success, Montana falls from grace with little rhyme or reason. You'd think in a three hour movie they could have set that up a bit better.

--One-dimensional characters. Not only is Montana irascible with few redeeming qualities, he seems to exist for the sheer purpose of dispensing people on-camera and shouting lines that would eventually be sampled on rap albums.

--Bloated length. Why did this movie have to be three hours if there wasn't any real depth to it, when it could have easily been 2 hours and covered the same ground?

--It's been so oft-imitated since, that retroactively, it hasn't aged well. That's certainly not its fault, however De Palma had to realize the movie was going to spawn its imitators (not that it too wasn't an imitator, because it was)....

but all in all, I'd still watch it on a Saturday night because it's a good brainless action movie. Gimme Carlito's Way over it though.

The scenes are purposely long so they can accomodate the 12" version of "She's on Fire", duh...

For all I could say against this one ... all movies I don't particularly like should be so entertaining.

For all I could say against this one ... all movies I don't particularly like should be so entertaining.

Seriously. When I saw this movie, I really didn't like it that much, but I had to admit - it was entertaining as all hell.

Loggia and F. Murray Abraham's characters were AWESOME, and what can you say about a double-prong, gold coke straw?

Come to think of it, what would be a more appropriate name for said implment? Calling it a coke pipe invokes crack or freebasing, and i don't think hose really applies well either.

if it weren't for this movie, what posters would 19 year old puerto rican "thug lyfes" hang up on their walls?

F. Murray Abraham is and was the shit...no arguments there!

i hate this movie, but is very entertaining. but i hate it. so i guess that de palma succeeded.

I like how the end credits are on the far left of the screen, so they can fit Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio's name in.

Whuh?? She was Maid Marian in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves?? MY BRANE!!!!

if it weren't for this movie, what posters would 19 year old puerto rican "thug lyfes" hang up on their walls?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/TEE_5SUN/UVM108~Carlito-s-Way-Silhouette-Posters.jpg

is SCARFACE (the1983 one, fuckwits) the grate-est film of all time?

No.

F. Murray Abraham meets his end in a particularly spectacular way, though.

just about EVERYONE in this film does, though!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Eisbaer29/fmurrayabraham.jpg

I dunno -- being tortured and then hung from a hovering chopper is pretty tough to top.

The amount of shitty merchandise associated with this movie is incredible. The range of images from the movie available painted on canvas - under conditions I don't even want to think about - is particularly impressive.

x-post I prefer that bit where the shark jumps up to get him though.

I'm still waiting for Lifetime sequal: "Mama Montana - Moving On"

The amount of shitty merchandise associated with this movie is incredible. The range of images from the movie available painted on canvas - under conditions I don't even want to think about - is particularly impressive.

That's because there's a nation of slackjawed hip hop douchebags eager to pay money for it.

The really disturbing thing is that that it seems to be douchebags international - I'm sure you can buy the same images in Petersperg, Sao Paolo, Beijing and Madras.

I just watched this for the first time the other night. So long I had to move into another room to finish watching it to allow my friend sleep.
It is one of the films to choose on my new project brief to design a new opening sequence & dvd menu for, mostly using Flash. THankfully it isn't overly impressive at the moment.

one-liner poll?

Scarface also provides the best fancy dress going. Easy costume, bit of make-up and a ready-made character for the whole night, with great one-liners.

Yeah my Elvira costume gets everyone talking at parties.

The amount of shitty merchandise associated with this movie is incredible. The range of images from the movie available painted on canvas - under conditions I don't even want to think about - is particularly impressive.

That's because there's a nation of slackjawed hip hop douchebags eager to pay money for it.

-- Alex in NYC, Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

how many stupid band t-shirts do you own dude

http://www.ie-forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/thumb_1586224daaamn6be.jpg

The really disturbing thing is that that it seems to be douchebags international - I'm sure you can buy the same images in Petersperg, Sao Paolo, Beijing and Madras.

This is true. I know a Czech family living in London who have a Scarface poster in the living room.

Were they gypsies living illegally?

ok I am maybe not the dude you'd expect to say this but why is it especially disturbing for people to idolize Scarface and get little knockoff trinkets to express their identification with him? is he somehow different from the innumerable outlaws (many of them, yes, also cold-blooded murderers) who've been idolized & admired by people, especially working class people, throughout history? dude gets a lot of money and does what he wants, goes down in a blaze of glory = he wins, he doesn't have to work a fucking shit job all his life and spend his days with the taste of other people's ass on his lips. people see that story and go "damn, beats the fuck outta pushing pencils all goddamn day." how is this "disturbing" - are people supposed to be sanctimonious "oh but he got the money through CRIME" handwringers?

j0hn bringin the fire & the fury

My Joe Hill tees for Scarface tees program never did get off the ground.

it's not disturbing, just douchy and tasteless. Someone plz to make to make real film glamorizing exotic gangsters.

Why is it douche-y?

I realize you may have met lots of tasteless douchebags with Scarface throw pillows or whatever, but correlation =/= causation.

dude gets a lot of money and does what he wants, goes down in a blaze of glory = he wins, he doesn't have to work a fucking shit job all his life and spend his days with the taste of other people's ass on his lips. people see that story and go "damn, beats the fuck outta pushing pencils all goddamn day."

don't the people that think like this count as kinda douche-y?

thick-headed overwrought drama = douchy and yeah some guilt by association on the side

is he somehow different from the innumerable outlaws (many of them, yes, also cold-blooded murderers) who've been idolized & admired by people, especially working class people, throughout history?

this reminds of when bobby brady idolized jesse james, but them mike brady brings around a guy whose family was killed by jesse james, and bobby brady is all 'damn'.

they should have just made it charles manson.

the scene right before the shootout in tony's club, there's richard belzer doing stand-up and then this creepy guy in a mask and fat-suit is dancing to "strangers in the night"... wtf @ that scene

push it to the limit
limiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt

dude really loved his sister

they should have just made it charles manson.

This just made me realize what's so annoying about the Scarface worship. Dude is hardly a real outlaw. He's just a symbol of your typical American Dream, entrepreneurial spirit yuppie bullshit. At least real old west outlaws were dirty longhaired beardos like Manson. Might as well just put a Gordon Gekko poster on your wall.

Careful. The cognitive dissonance your infernal words are creating will soon lead to your getting called a Corny Old West Fuxxor.

I hope this works...
http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1671/8249656/15414288/257882075.jpg

thank you stumble!

I'm surprised that sequence didn't end with a freeze-frame of Tony and Manny, mid-air in a high-five.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:15 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

I would like an artist's conception of this image airbrushed onto a XXL white tee asap

I really liked the little detail from the first lunch at Sosa's place where after the lunch is taken away the waiters bring them lemon water to wash their hands in - and Pacino just starts digging into his lemon and spitting the seeds back into the bowl

the rest of this movie....ehh. Pacino's transmission only has one gear in this movie and it gets tiring after about 30 minutes

I just love the idea of Walken playing Tony Montana. Somebody do something with this, somewhere, somehow.

What the fuck is up with Octavio from the club shooting? Did people actually used to go out and see stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj2Iw5CepMc

Love that scene - assumed every single person in that club was high?

Safe assumption. This poor guy, Octavio.