A clear statement about mod actions on 77

Rather than extend the KIP thread which is pretty much meandering all over the place, i thought i'd just start this here, and hopefully we can keep it pretty much on topic. i figure we should just establish how 77 is going to be dealt with from here on out so that we dont have any questions of mod transparency or mixed signals or whatever. having discussed it with the other mods, i wont be making 77 public again (although to clarify, it was set to ungoogleable for the entire time it was public). part of the reason i did that was to clarify the fact that it was not 100% zingy meta for ilxers that hadn't seen it, and part of the reason i did was, to be fair, because a few of y'all pushed me to the end of my rope, and i couldn't figure out how to lock the board. might not be the most mature reaction, but some of you dudes get pretty infuriating when you get all board lawyery and entitled about shit.

anyway, now that the dust has settled, i want to kind of make the future clear (and any other mods can feel free to correct me or add to this, but i think we are on the same page at this point.) lots of people dont want 77 to exist or would prefer it wasn't secret. the people who are on 77 (for the most part) want it to keep going as it is. i am not going to take a side on this, because both groups of you have your reasons. the only way for this to get resolved is to be clear that from this point out, any sniping or zinging or reposting of a non-77 poster gets you an irreversible ban and removal from 77, even if it is jokey or meant positively or affectionately or whatever. people have complained that they don't know who is or isn't on 77, but the truth is, if you aren't sure that they are (ie have actually seen them post there), don't post about them.

to reassure the people that are opposed to 77 and secret boards, this will be done diligently. to reassure the people on 77, this is the only fair way for you to keep your board, and no one intends to go all vendetta or look for excuses to "get" people.

Hopefully, this can be the end of all of this. If the situation changes, things can change accordingly.

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Oh, to be popular enough that people talked behind my back - sigh :-(

any sniping or zinging or reposting of a non-77 poster gets you an irreversible ban and removal from 77

So can we have a list of who is on 77 then?

people have complained that they don't know who is or isn't on 77, but the truth is, if you aren't sure that they are (ie have actually seen them post there), don't post about them.

So does that mean, for instance, the "dat nigga delmar" poll would have led to the banning of who started it?

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This, I mean.

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Can I get a 77 unban then, if only to potentially save the 77 existence of people who may veer from the straight and narrow? I'm cool if I can't, just that there'll probably be some kind of aberration, which I wouldn't mind personally, but which would necessitate a 77 permaban according to these rules.

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tuomas is on 77 iirc so there's that.

And yeah, I do appreciate that it was for this very crime that I was given the chop.

hahahaha to lj

Actually while we're about it, can I get readded to 77 under this username? I'd hate for anyone to get banned for making a scarf/fat girl/fantastic music writer zing in the interim

lj will last ten minutes if you unban him. i say go for it.

(thanks for the post, btw, JJ)

"(fantastic [music writer) zing]"

:( caek have some faith!

oh wait you do have faith

Hate to break up the amicus curiae action here but seeing as you aren't supposed to be indulging in meta sniping on any of the boards at all, secret or otherwise, it shouldn't actually matter whether the poster in question is on 77. Just saying like.

But it's not just sniping...it's sniping or zinging or reposting, the latter two of which are fine on the other boards.

They're fine on other boards because everyone can see them without needing a special invitation.

seeing as you aren't supposed to be indulging in meta sniping on any of the boards at all

ok waht!????!!11!??!

i get the idea that it's better to avoid race- and sexuality-based attacks a la tombot, but ilx is and has always been about 25% meta sniping.

and you're hardly above it yourself matt!

They're fine on other boards because everyone can see them without needing a special invitation.

― HI DERE, Monday, 2 February 2009 16:50 (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

So the mods want to see Ask Chaki back then?

They're fine on other boards because everyone can see them without needing a special invitation.

― HI DERE, Monday, February 2, 2009 11:50 AM (1 minute ago)

which is why it's ok in theory to zing another 77er, cos s/he can see it

irreversible ban

overdoing it imo, that should be saved for people spamming the board or doing something way, way out of bounds. maybe do it like 'roids in baseball, 1st offense is a month then ratchet it up from there.

i think irreversible bans will just lead to really long meta threads, which i personally love but i know the mods hate, or claim to--i think the original policy of moving those threads to ile, or even just temp banning posters from 77, is way less likely to result in clusterfucks

i think JJ has been fair, clear and consistent (and ridiculously patient).

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Are you trying to say K3vin is a foxy librarian? xpost

Oh Iiii get it now.

i dun get it but ill take foxy librarian

Look at the image url

o lol

aw man 77 was open and free for a day and I missed it

It was like missing a lost episode of "According to Jim".

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irreversible ban

overdoing it imo, that should be saved for people spamming the board or doing something way, way out of bounds. maybe do it like 'roids in baseball, 1st offense is a month then ratchet it up from there.

― bnw, Monday, February 2, 2009 5:02 PM (3 hours ago)

to make sure this is clear, im talking irreversible bans from 77, not ILX as a whole.

i think irreversible bans will just lead to really long meta threads, which i personally love but i know the mods hate, or claim to--i think the original policy of moving those threads to ile, or even just temp banning posters from 77, is way less likely to result in clusterfucks

― max, Monday, February 2, 2009 5:10 PM (3 hours ago)

77 issues in general have led to long meta clusterfuck threads, no matter if it is moving threads to ILE or whatever. the specificity of the rule here should make that less common.

So does that mean, for instance, the "dat nigga delmar" poll would have led to the banning of who started it?

― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Monday, February 2, 2009 4:35 PM (4 hours ago)

in all honesty, probably not, because i have no idea what the hell that was about in the first place. if it was about some ilx poster i have never heard of, then yeah, it would be banworthy under these rules.

dom was just trolling you (shocker)

77 issues in general have led to long meta clusterfuck threads, no matter if it is moving threads to ILE or whatever. the specificity of the rule here should make that less common.

i really, really doubt that. this is the first time that moving a thread has led to a giant meta thread, and you have to admit that at least half the clusterfuck was about making 77 public and not about moving the thread. temp-banning lj from 77 didnt lead to anything, did it? i mean imagine whats going to happen if someone perma-bans ethan or dom or joe from 77, you know?

yeah immediate perma ban seems excessive imo

also, for clarification, is there any wiggle room here at all? if a burt_stanton or captain lorax jr. shows up next week and isn't added too 77 are we not allowed to re-post to something like "this fucking guy"?

also what if someone on ile makes a comment about bacon? can that post be used as a discussion jump off in the fronting about bacon thread on 77?

God this is getting so tedious I'd almost advocate shutting the whole thing down. It's not like there aren't loads of other identical white sub-boards to post on.

(Disclaimer - not official mod standpoint)

I Love Meta would be such a useful board - all posters would know their one stop shop for potential shit talk. there could even be labels so you wouldn't have to scan all threads to see if someone re-posted one of your challenging opinions

"What happens if I'm talking about a zebra and there happens to be a poster I've never heard of called A Zebra who isn't on 77 and I get banned forever for meta?"

can we talk shit about suspected trolls?

good point matt - are we or are we not allowed to post pictures of puppies on 77 now?

also, for clarification, is there any wiggle room here at all? if a burt_stanton or captain lorax jr. shows up next week and isn't added too 77 are we not allowed to re-post to something like "this fucking guy"?

― jordy (J0rdan S.), Monday, February 2, 2009 8:44 PM (4 minutes ago)

no. this is totally 100% clear, and all the examples in the world are not going to change from this same answer.

xposts yeah like all the other examples you gave while i typed this are also completely clear and dont really need to get discussed.

okay now that we are in the stupdi trolling portion of this thread, are we done with conversation or does anyone have something pertinent or new to say

why don't you dudes just get on some non ilx sponsored forum to talk about ilx people

narutoforums.com

hey mod folx i appreciate that youre really annoyed by all these tedious meta threads, but what were trying to do here is warn you guys that this kind of hard-line stance involving perma banning etc is only going to lead to more tedious meta threads

I think what we're warning you about back is that creating more meta threads is a surefire way to lose 77.

yeah i guess im just not really sure why thats worth it to anyone

no, because this "hard-line" stance is very clear and precise, and as a result, there won't be any long meta threads, because there is nothing at all that is an exception to the rule here, and the rule is something that every ilx user has at their disposal in the search menu like i indicated right up there at the top of the page. therefore, there wont need to be a discussion, because if you post about someone not on 77 who posts on ilx, you get banned from 77 permanently. this is a simple distinction. xposts

why don't you dudes just get on some non ilx sponsored forum to talk about ilx people

― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, February 2, 2009 9:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

some staunch critics of the british 77ers have certainly done this before.

Guys just go and bitch about everyone on AIM chat like you all used to, its not that hard; my god this is the most boring and stunted-growth argument I think I have ever read on this board in the 6 years I have been here by a long mile.

let's say for a moment that you've been talking smack about someone who wasn't on ilx and then starts posting on ilx and you continue to talk smack, unaware that they are posting. wiggle room y/n

how about anyone who bitches about the mods around here for more than like three posts gets thrown in a dungeon with gabbneb, a lightsabre, dr. morbius and bruce springsteen

Tom Brady can't read, Omar. xp

i think the only thing i like more than long ass meta threads are the people who feel compelled to come post on the meta threads to tell us all how bored they are by said threads

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max just wait 6 years

not a rickroll but I still wouldn't click on it

is a "meta thread" just made up of inside jokes? never mind...

(Que, I'm decent company in a dungeon)

love this drama, thanks guys

There's no fake bombshells or buffy blackmail, raise your standards.

a clear statement about mod actions on 77

BATTER UP, OBVYOUS IMG JOEK

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i think the only thing i like more than long ass meta threads are the people who feel compelled to come post on the meta threads to tell us all how bored they are by said threads

1) post statement
2) lock thread
3) enforce policy

that's how i'd roll as a mod, but i'd probably ban people left and right when in a pissy mood too

hey mods, cats always fuck up these kinds of threads about mod actions with 'trolling' and 'board lawyering' because there's no point in taking mod mandates seriously as an internally consistent rulebook. y'all move the goalposts every other day and make shit up as you go along, which is fine to an extent, better to respond to new problems with new solutions and all, but doing the exasperated schoolmaster act every time is just going to make certain 77ers act like bratty 7th graders even more. as far as i can tell there is no real maturity level or moral standard that separates those with mod privileges from those that don't, it's just some haves vs. have nots bullshit.

god this is so retarded. mods, just let people post about whatever the fuck they want unless its spam or personal information. who the fuck cares? what harm does it really do? stop your lame dick waving.

also does anyone else think its weird that the two most vocal mods telling us how to post are:

a) a dude that posts racist/homophobic attacks on other posters (tombot)

b) a dude that posts about being an admitted statutory rapist (john justen)

why are these sicko douchebags even mods?

sorry, Alex, you were saying...?

!

lol

I do have to say I am glad I was actually off having fun while all of this shit was going on. Disneyland > ILX meta bullshit

sure thing, chak-- i mean dan

^^^ are user names like omar's grounds for dismissal

if they are then I'm in trouble

BTW, for those keeping score, not a rapist, statutory or otherwise.

you just fucked up my ILX rapist bingo card, dog.

which i considered using as a new username, but i can only successfully googlebomb myself so much, ya know xpost

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hey mods, cats always fuck up these kinds of threads about mod actions with 'trolling' and 'board lawyering' because there's no point in taking mod mandates seriously as an internally consistent rulebook. y'all move the goalposts every other day and make shit up as you go along, which is fine to an extent, better to respond to new problems with new solutions and all, but doing the exasperated schoolmaster act every time is just going to make certain 77ers act like bratty 7th graders even more. as far as i can tell there is no real maturity level or moral standard that separates those with mod privileges from those that don't, it's just some haves vs. have nots bullshit.

― some dude, Monday, February 2, 2009 4:29 PM

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yeah of course, but when you're playing at someone's house and they're being a dick, do you keep going over and just start yelling all the time or do you just kinda shrug cause they got nintendo and it's worth the hassle?

cause i like nintendo

test

that depends; do you let them win at every game and say nothing just so they never get mad and kick you out?

xpost

stevie, we hardly knew ye

Actually, I ended up buying my own nintendo.

eman: it's been done.

There's no fake bombshells or buffy blackmail, raise your standards.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Monday, February 2, 2009 4:20 PM (30 minutes ago)

nicole and trayce otm, by the way. i think most people who see this long meta thread are going to read it and be interested, assuming some shit has really gone down, only to read it and be like, 'wtf, this is the shit you guys were arguing about?'...illustrating the "who fucking cares" POV. i was shit talked about plenty when i first got here and still probably am some on boards/threads i dont read, but it's cool. for the record, i respect yr authority and all and plan to play by the rules you laid out above, im just sayin'.

and you are....

xpost also, I would never let you win at nintendo.
Or more to the point, I think the only mod harassment I've faced in the FUCK five years FUCK I've been here is when Jon kicked me off noise board or when Aja/Dante got shut down. Neither of which really broke my heart; though the loss of A/D was a bummer and one that I'd rather not see happen to 77... and as I recall, A/D got got because of precisely this kinda thread only it was estepato doin' the borad lawyerin' then.

btw who was stevie blue??

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The advent of SNA and bookmarks means you don't know which board you're posting to 90% of the time. The only spod-free ways I can think of to reliably steer clear of 77 banning are:

1. Take 77 completely out of SNA and bookmarks
2. Don't talk about anyone ever

The advent of SNA and bookmarks means you don't know which board you're posting to 90% of the time.

uh waht

Use prefs to give 77 threads a unique color on SNA.

maybe a friendly jingle that plays on a secondary page that you are directed to just as you're about to submit a post, reminding you that this will be a 77 post and its content will be judged on that basis.

okay bookmarks then.

Like the chime that rings when you open the door to the bookstore.

how many bookmarks do you have? im just thinking that it cant really be that hard to look at the top of the page when you go to a bookmarked thread and see if it says 7Curtis's 7Borad.

I'm just saying it can be easy to make a mistake.

Saying you might make that kind of mistake is like Kate saying she wants to be banned because she can't stop herself posting here. How old are you people.

Sorry, "you people" is a ridiculous pomposity but you know. This is all pretty hilarous.

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well, most people dont predominately post about other ILX users, so i guess i think it is a small price to pay to keep 77.

to spell this out here, this really is a compromise between the people that want 77 to stay as it is, and the people that want it to be locked. making it public is not an option because of a variety of factors, mostly innocuous (non-meta) stuff that people posted with the understanding that it would not be in public view.

re: the moving goalpost thing from some dude and eman - if you read through my first post on here, i think its clear that this is exactly what we are trying to avoid, and so using this as an argument that no rules can be applied to 77 is kind of odd. the zero tolerance for meta thing on 77 was clearly defined from the beginning, the only thing that has been changing is how we have been trying to deal with it. hopefully, this settles that as well.

to run down the other options:
1. move a thread with meta in it to ILE - problem being that we aren't able to judge what people do and dont want public, so if someone jumps in a thread that has some IRL whatever in it with a repost , this wont work
2. make 77 public - we've covered this
3. lock threads with meta - seems kind of overly invasive, also why should people in general be subject to someone screwing up
4. lock/delete 77 - dont think the majority of people that like 77 want this

77 is subject to special rules because it operates under special invite only circumstances. there is no way to change this in a way that will make everyone happy, but ive yet to see an argument that A)proposes a different solution that is more agreeable to both sides of the issue B)explains why not posting meta on one specific board is an untenable alternative in order to keep that board open.

and yeah, there are also tons of people (like me) that dont really care much one way or the other, but that doesn't make either sides opinions less valid. the truth is, the users of 77 are a much smaller group than the people that want it closed and the people that dont care about it, so when it comes to figuring out how to make it a workable option, they are going to have to make one small concession. as of yet, no one has really given any reason why that is unacceptable.

xposted to Autumn A

What was all that stuff about the Buffy DVDs?

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Looking like Trayce got out of bed on the wrong side of her FACE this morning.

JJ I should be clear that I don't care one way or the other, just thought it worth mentioning. I don't want to upstage Tuomas so I'll stop.

no i get it, only the first part was an xpost to your question

cool

these rules seem pretty reasonable altho i think an immediate perma ban from 77 is a little excessive

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xpost :(

why not 5. delete posts on 77 about people not on 77

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Gonna start collecting these

FWIW, Trayce, I have only ever asked for myself to be banned exactly *ONCE* - and it was because I was going through some personal problems with another ILX0r whose house I was moving out of at the time, that I wanted to keep off the board - and the ban only lasted until the move was complete.

The person you are thinking of is Louis - and there's about 20 years, 2 balls and a penis difference between us, thanks.

Please don't bring inaccurate incendiary shit into this. It's just not necessary.

max and jordy otm. delete post + temp 77 ban or whatever unless it's some really egregious race- and sexuality-based hateration a la tombot.

i agree with whoever mentioned that it's the SNA era and hard to keep track of where ur posting.

Buffy? DVDs?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vgAi7DYHA94

Can we get a list of which ILX posters are rapists then, statutory or otherwise? I should probably suggest ban any rapist posters.

by american standards that guy who was boning the 18-year old chick who was actually 17-years-old was breaking the law i think.

Fair enough Kate, I perhaps should have just used the action as an example without naming names, fwiw I take this whole thing about as seriously as a fruit salad *shrug*.

Abbott: I think Graham threatened to wipe the whole database because we were all ungreatful gits who didnt appreciate his hard work and he wanted to be sent a Buffy box set as an apology, or some such rubbish.

Considering going on a Suggest Ban spree unless somebody gets me a video of Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt.

Bahahaha okay that is awesome Trayce!

See this what I'm sayin' - quality of beefs ain't what it used to be.

just because i dont want to leave this even momentarily vague, max/SGSMB - your suggestions have been duly noted, but unless you hear otherwise, people should be aware that the permaban thing is still the way we are dealing with this. re: the just delete it aspect, i still think that people can police themselves, and it isnt like any mods want to spend tons of time constantly checking for violations on 77 - again i will repeat that there are people that are unhappy that 77 continues to exist. they are making concessions, 77 posters can do the same. if we just say that we will delete meta stuff if we happen to find it, that doesn't do much to allay the concerns of people that are uncomfortable with a secret board having lots of nasty meta stuff on it. in a perfect world, no one will get banned, and people will be reassured that 77 is not a big meta fest. constantly coming back here to find ways to minimize the repercussions of 77 meta posting really doesn't do much to help your case, TBH.

out of curiosity was this a decision arrived at by all the current mods, cf tom, pash, keith(?) (i don't know who else is modding these days).

mod discussion forum isn't just for meta bitching you know

well, the whole idea of keeping meta off 77 is old school and i think predates me being a board mod, so in that sense yeah. there isnt any mod hivemind, and i think reactions vary, but im pretty sure there is a universal feeling that we need to get the 77 situation squared away to save all of us from these things popping up over and over. i also think its safe to say that none of the mods have vocalized anything proposing ignoring or soft-pedalling meta stuff on 77, and there have been moments of frustration where most of us have mentioned just locking it and being done with it.

not sure if that helps or not, but thats the best i can tell you. xpost

wouldn't be an ilx mod for quids

Are people aware of the original 77 kerfuffle with the "crut77" login going all over flickr harrasing various ILXors, that perhaps is causing some of the "anti" vibe?

Eh, it doesnt matter any more I guess.

I'm a mod!

this all seems reasonable, doubt it will really change 77 at all anyway

unless hendricks joins 77

man, that'd be uncomfortable

Personally, I think delete+tempban is the way to go.

the users of 77 are a much smaller group than the people that want it closed and the people that dont care about it

i hate to suggest throwin it open to a vote, but there is precedent here. am willing to take your word for it.

77? I feel like a high court judge.

but ive yet to see an argument that A)proposes a different solution that is more agreeable to both sides of the issue.

Okay, so far most of the people who want to keep 77 non-public have said that they don't mind ILXors reading the board, that every ILXor is free to join there, but they don't want people outside ILX reading the stuff that's posted there. So here's my solution:

Make 77 readable to all people who register to ILX, but invisible to everyone else. (I assume this is technically possible, correct me if I'm wrong.)

Wouldn't that solve all the problems? Then people on 77 would be free to post whatever they like without fearing that they might accidentally mention a forbidden subject, and the folks who don't like the idea of secret clubs would be able to post to 77 if they want to.

it's not a secret club, it's a safe haven.

Depends on whose point of view you look at it, right?

Safe from who?

http://www.dorsetcorset.co.uk/images/FarFromTheMaddingCrowd.jpg

Thomas Hardy? Fair enough.

Tuomas Hardy

Tuomas's hard-o ... no, I can't finish that.

TMI right there.

i think tuomas's suggestion is very reasonable... does anyone have a good argument against it?

"the folks who don't like the idea of secret clubs would be able to post to 77 if they want to" is a recipe for lots of feebs shitting everything up.

ya, well they can technically do that if they want to now. i don't think this would change much besides shutting up this endless debate and avoiding a draconian instapermaban system and those awkward dimensional-shift-style thread moves to ILE.

i think tuomas's suggestion is very reasonable... does anyone have a good argument against it?

It is technically impossible without rewriting the messageboard code.

You can have a public board (anyone can see, anyone registered can post), a private board (only invited posters can see or post) or an invite-only board (anyone can see, invited posters can post). The flag to make the board googlable is separate and has always been set to "off" for 77.

a private board (only invited posters can see or post)

Couldn't the code be changed so that everyone who registers to ILX automatically gets an invitation? Seems easier than rewriting the whole messageboard code.

You realize that is still rewriting code...?

haha.

ok.

what if the code gets rewritten so that you can make any changes you want without rewriting code?

Yeah, but I assume it's an easier rewrite than changing what sort of boards are visible to whom. I could be wrong though.

"the folks who don't like the idea of secret clubs would be able to post to 77 if they want to" is a recipe for lots of feebs shitting everything up.

This hasn't really happened with other sub-boards, has it? I think you're being too afraid of "dweebs", whoever they are.

(xx-post)

"feebs" not "dweebs"

What are "feebs"?

Fat dweebs

Anyway, I'm not saying what I suggest should be done immediately and right away, but I thought the code was being constantly rewritten and not set in stone...?

"feebs" not "dweebs"

― max, Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:23 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

next-lev board lawyering there, you are worth your retainer.

I understand the code has been more or less the same since Keith brought it down from Mt Sinai.

How do you know if the dweebs are fat on a messageboard with no avatars?

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OBJECTION

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RIP

making it public is not an option because of a variety of factors, mostly innocuous (non-meta) stuff that people posted with the understanding that it would not be in public view.

when 77 started didn't curtis say "hey it was just an experiment and we were gonna make it public at some point anyway"

you can't have your secret board and statutory rape it too

How do you know if the dweebs are fat on a messageboard with no avatars?

mouthbreathing sensor port for OS X

avatars proved too unreliable, dweebs always using pictures of hot azn women

might not be the most mature reaction, but some of you dudes get pretty infuriating when you get all board lawyery and entitled about shit.

― CLAPSOCK (John Justen), Monday, February 2, 2009 11:27 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol @ mods always complaining abt bord lawyering - is their anyone more interested in the legal minutia of ilx than a mod - if u dont like it then u know dont be a mod

I don't think there is their.

Most of the point of being a mod is to delete things and move things and tidy things up when people request it*. Having to pay attention to stuff like this is a pain in the arse more than anything else.

*Well that and being able to correct yr own mistakes.

Their, their, Matt.

ic wat u did their

omg i made a typo and u caught it 100 smrat point 4 u nicol

when 77 started didn't curtis say "hey it was just an experiment and we were gonna make it public at some point anyway"

I knew everyone was gonna be invited eventually, but not-public is still impt when talking about private stuff u don't want people googling

I'm going to point out YET AGAIN that 77 has never been googlable.

Spelling mistakes, reading incomprehension...time for ILXSAT

the solution is just to invite these ppl to 77 instead of making the threads public innit? I mean I don't want to make that canon w/o other people's consent but that seems more palatable

You've only said it a dozen times, it hasn't had a chance to sink in yet. xxpost

77 could still be public and non-googlable

I think excluding ppl from 77 is a very non-77 sentiment

the solution is just to invite these ppl to 77 instead of making the threads public innit? I mean I don't want to make that canon w/o other people's consent but that seems more palatable

Hey, please join our board so you can see all of the shit we've been saying about you!

excluding people is the point of a secret board!

it was supposed to be about smash mouth

ok lol

EPIC FAIL

nicole are you on 77?

the thing abt 77 is you cant lock it cause theres threads that people want to keep and you cant make it public cause their/there/theyre was an initial promise of privacy and people posted accordingly - this situation was created by ilx admin/mods and now they are having a hard time dealing w/the consequences of their actions

do you guys know how 77 was started? I found a bunch of secret boards that ILXors didn't know about and started a poll about it on noise board. then stet gchatted w/me about it to make sure I wasn't like hacking into ILX or anything. then he made a board for me as a joke and I posted on it then a few days later invited a few people and told them to invite whoever they wanted. That's what 77 is about.

http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/mission-accomplished.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/infected_records/d77openhearts-1.jpg

tell me the one about the rabbits.

the irony is that 77 is the ONLY secret board on ILX that DOESN'T exclude anyone

in theory, not necessarily in practice

lots of people dont want 77 to exist or would prefer it wasn't secret. the people who are on 77 (for the most part) want it to keep going as it is.

― CLAPSOCK (John Justen), Monday, February 2, 2009 11:27 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the idea that people who want to shut something down and the people who are using and enjoying hold equal sway in the argument is some pretty idiotic thinking - i mean im sure i speak of all secret 77s when i say we all want ilm destroyed immediately cause it insults our delicate sensibilities

do u know how world war I was started? somebody shot some fat dweeb name archduke ferdinand

END THE MADNESS TOO MANY HAVE DYED

"let go"

lots of people dont want Moderator Discussion Forum to exist or would prefer it wasn't secret. the people who are on Moderator Discussion Forum (for the most part) want it to keep going as it is.

if anyone is mentioned on moderator discussion forum they should instantly be made a mod

where are these mythical beasts who don't want 77 to exist?

SHOW YRSELVES

Nobody makes such a big fuss about Happy Robots borad. Now that's where all the real shit talking happens.

where are these mythical beasts who don't want 77 to exist?

SHOW YRSELVES

― Edward III, Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:47 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the solution is just to invite these ppl to 77 instead of making the threads public innit? I mean I don't want to make that canon w/o other people's consent but that seems more palatable

Hey, please join our board so you can see all of the shit we've been saying about you!

― Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:35 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they are totally negative meta not hppy robots imo

how do i shot secret borad/?

i don't want 77 to exist

i am a griffin

I don't really care one way or another whether the board exists or not. The discussion is funny though.

happy robots is my favorite board on ILX, but I'd rather not know what's actually there b/c it's probably just a few threads by keith's friends that have nothing to do w/ILXor

i don't want 77 to exist. i am a (check one):

griffin
macguffin
basilisk
goo goo muck

"the folks who don't like the idea of secret clubs would be able to post to 77 if they want to" is a recipe for lots of feebs shitting everything up.

― display name fatigue (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, February 3, 2009 4:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Rolling list posters who don't care about 77 but frequently post to and read a thread discussing it:

Trayce
Nicole

let's go down this path and see how many people get banned

how much do you really care about neo-burlesque? xp

dom that is the sort of attitude that is causing the problem here

there are a lot of different attitudes that are causing problems here, doms isnt the only one

he is a fucking piece of work though.

I HAVE THE BEST OF ALL SUGGESTIONS

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77 SHOULD BE SELF-INVITE

but the invite link should be somewhere obscure - like at the bottom of the admin log

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cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes - u can start a music thread w/o a thousand blogstans jumping on it - just keep the nubes off

this important concept would render draconian banning policies unnecessary and allow the ilx supreme court to be free of all bord litigation they hate hate hate so much

existence of 77 itself is like whatev, but it is fun when you all come spilling out of your boys fort to DEFEND SECRET KINGDOM

it's really an effort for me to be typing these words, I must really be dedicated.

ice cr?m do you mean nubians? i'm appalled

it's more fun when the mods come spilling out of their boys fort to attack our secret kingdom. Together we be like Little Rascals or somethin

cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes

o shit i just revealed the secret racist agenda of 77 on ile :O - damn u site new answers

i too am appalled