submarine movies!

ive actually only seen the last six but i included others so the film nerds wouldnt get all up in arms

i think "ice station zebra" is one of the all-time greatest titles

I haven't seen any but Das Boot and The Hunt for Red October. Not a genre that does much for me.

also, Yellow Submarine and Hello Down There

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/20000leaguesposter.jpg

yeah, sorry, corny science fiction movies dont count, this is a poll for movies about real men doing manly things packed tight inside a metal tube

'above us the waves' yo

ok, Hello Down There is mostly an underwater-house movie, but at least has real men represented by Tony Randall and young Richard Dreyfuss

'we dive at dawn'

"The Enemy Below" is pretty good, and contains a lot of the tropes that show up in the later movies, esp. the non-political German U-boat crews of "Das Boot," and the cat-and-mouse trickery of "Red October."

Voted for "Red October" just because Alec Baldwin was a better Jack Ryan than Ford or lol Affleck.

also missing: The Abyss

"corny science fiction" max movie

you forgot down periscope lol

This is a genre that fascinates me, I think, in part, because I have a dread of both drowning and being confined in a small space (and maybe dying, trapped there). A number of these films have a scene where crewmen up on deck have to make a swift return into the submarine because of a sudden need to submerge, and one man always gets trapped and drowns because they have to close the hatch before he has time to get through. That, and scenes where submarines are blown apart by depth charges dropped by surface ships play to those fears (which I suppose a lot of people must have).

My vote is for 'Das Boot', although I remember enjoying 'Run Silent, Run Deep' as well.

ditto, probably my favourite sub-genre.

there's another film that deals with the sinking of the tirpitz (same as 'above us the waves') - submarine x-1, which is worth catching on ch4 matinees.

also search "morning departure" which is everything dubmill hates (mills and attenborough too)

"Gray Lady Down" with Charlton Heston ("stow that crap, sailor!") and David "Kung Fu" Carradine

As my dad's career was in submarines you can guess these hold a certain place in the family's heart. My dad was chief of staff to the admiral at Point Loma's sub base where the filming of Red October was done in part (not at the base but offshore), so that one's a favorite -- my dad and his buddies were pleased that the film did a reasonably good job at getting a sub's absolutely compact internal architecture across, though more so with the Russian subs than the American ones. Also Scott Glenn and Courtney Vance's characters on the American sub were absolutely spot on portrayals of American sub sailors in my experience, something about the combination of intense professionalism and easygoing humor, though Glenn was of course far more wound up -- my dad says Glenn shadowed one of the sub captains on the base for a bit during filming to get a sense of how he carried himself and it comes across; thing is that Glenn's work also reminds me of my dad a bit too! I think it's more a general comment on how Navy sub captains are in general, there's a certain consistency even in personality, which is a holdover from the Rickover years I suspect.

That all said, the absolute family favorite for now and ever -- Das Boot. I remember my dad already had the novel that it was based on and his copy was pretty well worn so he must have been reading that thing fairly regularly or else sharing it out with folks. When that got the American theatrical release I don't think any submariner talked about anything else for months, and when my parents got their first DVD player my dad's first purchase was the full miniseries edition.

still haven't seen Das Boot

A number of these films have a scene where crewmen up on deck have to make a swift return into the submarine because of a sudden need to submerge, and one man always gets trapped and drowns because they have to close the hatch before he has time to get through.

^^^ yeah this. Also: *ping*

*ping*

"If your intention is to defect..."

KRAZY IVAN!!!

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

http://www.pidpads.com/USERIMAGES/WrathOfKhan.jpg

Aargh! How could you forget the undeniably awesome Sphere?

Das Boot fwiw.

wrath of khan is one of the all time great naval warfare movies no lie

imo~

there is a great ww2 sub movie called 'below' that was directed by david twohy and is really spooky and well done, but it's probably a little too lol unrealistic

cankles and and what OTM

wrath of khan is one of the all time great naval warfare movies no lie

No question. Nick Meyer goes on in the commentary for the DVD about how he really wanted to emphasize that aspect and I think it did the whole set up of the Star Trek universe a world of good.

Das Boot is going to win by far, but there's a spectacular number of movies missing from the list.

Where are... Destination Tokyo, Crash Drive, Torpedo Alley, Hell And High Water (a Richard Widmark movie that actually takes place above a submarine instead of The Bedford Incident where the submarine is off camera).

For that matter, you could included The Spy Who Loved Me.

Also, the cable movie about the Hunley (think it starred Donald Sutherland) should be included. It was pretty good!

Anyway, this site to thread: http://submarinemovies.com/

ET, max is one of these Millennials who gets the bends if there are too many b&w movies

oh go away all of you

i was just going to do everything btw. das boot & widowmaker but i wanted to include ice station zebra

Okay the fact that there is actually a submarinemovies.com makes me happy. There really is a place for everything on the Net.

ooh, i forgot abt the 49th parallel... not really a sub movie imo since most of it is just niggas strollin thru canada

what about that one fraisier movie

w/o the xtra i

I'm sure I've mentioned this elsewhere, but my dad was in the merchant marines during WWII - working the North Atlantic circuit (NYC, Southhampton, Azores, Havana, Florida) from 1939-1941 smack in the middle of the Battle Of The Atlantic. He was torpedoed twice: the first time he and the rest of the crew were picked up by a nearby convoy member, but the second time he was stuck in a lifeboat for ten days before a coast guard PBY picked them up.

After that, he had enough of the Atlantic and moved out west in 1942. He had a couple days leave before his first SF-Honolulu run - so he and a friend of his picked up a couple of girls and took off to Yosemite for the weekend. They were late getting back (he hinted that they had a heck of a weekend) to SF and missed the departure, but as it turned out the freighter was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine and sank with all hands. He came back to Ithaca after that, and that's where he met my mom.

Not surprisingly , we probably saw Das Boot in the theater at least four or five times.

U-571 should be disqualified under the "corny science fiction" rule for the sheer number of historical errors, anachronisms, and goofs.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0141926/goofs

Also it's just a crap movie.

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obvious result really.

would've liked to have seen anything even vaguely black and white get a single vote though.

i started watching Crimson Tide last night for the first time in ~15 years, it's so much fun. young steve zahn, young viggo mortenson, not that young james gandolfini, people yelling at each other on a submarine, what more can you ask for?

all the foreshadowing is heavy as a bag of hammers but it only me makes me excited for the part where people start yelling at each other on a submarine.

Following up on my post upthread... I've been sorting through things at my mom's house and a couple weeks ago ran across a stack of papers relating to my dad's time in the Merchant Marine during World War 2. Turns out I had the order of events completely screwed up (my dad passed away 25 years ago), but with so much documentation now available on the net, I put his name into a Google alert. Last week it paid off and I found a detailed letter he wrote to one of the crew members who went down with the ship:
http://www.quartzcity.net/2014/06/23/my-dad-and-the-sinking-of-the-s-s-illinois/

wow

double wow. thanks for sharing that, elvis.

ARRGH... "to the parents of one of the crew members"

that letter to your grandfather really maintains the suspense a bit longer than one would like from such a letter!

hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnaEltBVBlg

Currently watching the trashy remake of On The Beach w/Armand Assante, Rachel Ward, Bryan Brown and his collection of shirts. Directed by Duran Duran's main man but maybe with a tenth of the budget of the 80s Golden Years.

Enough sub tropes to keep things moving but on the whole it's a p.o.s. Can make a drinking game out of every time Assante has a flashback. Main problem I have is that the Nick Cave song was deployed way too early. Instead of saving the Cavesong for the epic vistas of a wrecked post-nuclear San Francisco, they went with the "alas love" Mopey Cave but then blew that too early by not saving it for the scenes where Assante, Ward, and a Ferrari F355 GTS reminisce about 80s Cannon Films.

BLACK SEA is getting some good reviews

http://www.avclub.com/review/jude-law-plunges-headlong-bleak-waters-black-sea-214190

Looks pretty good, though has one of those trailers that seems to give away the entire plot.

Just saw it. I will say the twist the trailer led me to expect did not happen. (Instead, the plot took the other likely course.)

For my part, no Below the Sea (1933), no credibility. As it happens, that movie also features a quest for lost (Imperial) German gold. AND Ralph Bellamy and Fay Wray generating enough chemistry to fuel a sizable fleet. Sony, why u no release early Columbia pix on DVD?

Search teams are racing against time to find a tourist submersible that went missing during a dive to the wreck of the Titanic

it has no door, you get bolted into a cramped little chamber with no seating, the controls consist of an on/off button and the auxiliary controls are done with a logitech gamepad controller. It was cobbled together with parts purchased online. The billionaires who parted with quarter of a mill to go 12 000 ft under the Atlantic in this death trap elicit a very low sympathy rating with me, more money than sense as they say.

the bloke on radio 4 this morning said the sub was comfortable, like a spa, so relaxing he fell asleep on the way down. and also that they all signed a waiver saying they recognised that there was a chance of dying (in multiple ways). sounds like a different experience from the other account (maybe there are multiple titanic submarine tours)

(that said, they got lost, couldn't tell where they were in relation to the titanic and only found it after 90 minutes of pootering around)

there is a video doing the rounds where some CBS presenter get's inside it, it looks very uncomfortable and forbidding. I wouldn't have even entered it on terra firma!

Just think that soon there will be a tour to show where the 21st century robber barons died going to go look at the watery graves of early 20th century robber barons.

It seems insane to me that this sub was not tethered to the surface somehow

total cowboy operation, it sounds like during previous dives this submersible had problems with communication with the carrier vessel and there have been problems locating it in a timely fashion when it resurfaced. A bit of a risk when you are bolted in there from the outside! It sounds like pure luck that nothing went wrong up to now.

it has no door, you get bolted into a cramped little chamber with no seating, the controls consist of an on/off button and the auxiliary controls are done with a logitech gamepad controller. It was cobbled together with parts purchased online.

I thought you were being hyperbolic when I first read this! Holy crap!

https://i.imgur.com/gPcI9UC.jpg

lads don't give them any help let more billionaires go into the vessel

Would you __________ operated by a game controller?

Ride in a submarine? NO.

Ride in an airplane? NO.

Ride in a train? Hmmm. Still going to go with NO.

Ride in a car? NO.

Navigate a little motorized toy boat around an enclosed pool of water? YES. YES, I WOULD.

https://i.imgur.com/WOf7DEx.jpg

THIS is the controller your buddy makes you play with when you visit his house after school.

"Sorry, man. The real one got broken."

"We're currently two miles underneath the ocean's surface and, hold on, LEFT-LEFT-LB, RIGHT-RIGHT-RT, LEFT-LT-RIGHT, I have just activated the 'fast swim' feature."

"hey we're in a bit of a pickle here, can we call headquarters?"

"Oof. I never set up Kinect, so that's a negative "

https://i.imgur.com/UaTeEup.png

I know, I'm hitting all the obvious points here. I'm even about to say something like, "You'd have to PAY ME $250,000 to get inside that thing, not the other way around!"

I know, $250k is pocket change, like $16 for me. That said, GUESS WHAT I WOULDN'T PAY SIXTEEN DOLLARS TO GET INSIDE OF.

sounds like a critical 'shit right before you leave the house' situation

when you have that kind of money you are so fucking dead inside that the magnitude of what you need to do in order to feel alive is enormous

There's a rudimentary toilet, which amounts to little more than a couple of ziplock bags.

I wouldn't advise having a big lentil and bean curry washed down with a skinful of ale the night before embarking on your fantastically shit voyage in this nightmare pod!

half their promo-lit is like "we poked the MAN in the EYE by ignoring his so-called REGULATIONS! when INNOVATION refuses to be STIFLED!"

and the other half is literally a "chance to step outside of everyday life" -- i mean ok dudes what's like out there :\

communications apparently dependent on elon musk's starlink satellites

THIS is the controller your buddy makes you play with when you visit his house after school.

ha, but yeah it be a cold day in hell before I'd use one of those for gaming let alone navigate two miles down into the sea in a tin can.

hatches bolted from the outside and communications dependent on starlink

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vv-R6x68ALg/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrpmv_zOa0k

I tend to gravitate towards a level of safeness that might be considered dull to these rich "explorers". But sure glad to be me rn rather than them. The worst scenario would be a slow suffocating death as the Co2 scrubber loses power. A catastrophic fail would be much better, at least you'd be gone in seconds under that much pressure.

Starting the conspiracy theory now, what if they wanted to get lost? To just disappear? Yes, that must be it, no way rich ppl could just be incredible dipshits

5D Battleship

I'm extremely risk averse when it comes to that sort of thing, I'm gonna go someday but I want to go in a boring way, not death by misadventure. Every one of those guys who exclaims they know the risks and would be happy to die that way is likely changing their mind in those final seconds.

there's thrill-seeking and then there's just 'doing dumb shit'

all of these dudes are people who saw Hellraiser and began calling their accountant to ask them to find "real Lamarchand Configurations"

5D Battleship

I'm shocked this kind of thing hasn't happened before! I figure at some point in the distant future, submersibles will trawl the deep whistling past the desiccated remains of previous submersibles, like all those disposable incomers climbing Everest averting their eyes when they pass by frozen corpses.

really don't understand why any paying guests could begrudge this journey, they're getting the true Titanic experience here

like all those disposable incomers climbing Everest averting their eyes when they pass by frozen corpses.

i only learned about this a few years ago and the idea just horrifies me, like perfectly preserved bodies encased in ice for several decades

i'm so sure the same massive rescue effort would be expended if a bunch of middle class folks had been the ones in the submarine

they'll probably all be rescued and brought ashore only to be killed by Allied bombers

like all those disposable incomers climbing Everest averting their eyes when they pass by frozen corpses.

Everest only costs $100,000 though.

https://www.tiktok.com/@kane/video/7008246792911392005

one of the submarine eggspurts has suggested they might have got trapped by some falling debris from the Titanic wreck. And this has happened before with an industry standard submersible with proper navigation controls and a functional communications system... and a door - so they were ok.

My understanding initially was that this submersible was tethered to the surface craft? But I was a little unclear on that from the article I read, which wasn't very well written. Seems like if it was tethered they would have been able to find it so maybe it was untethered.

maybe the submarine was destroyed by controlled demolition

Elton musk should climb in his mini-sub and go on a search & rescue

don't go breakin my sub

they didn't bother tethering it cos they couldn't find any 2 mile lengths of decking rope at B+Q

Logitech controller broke mid-descent, told they were 'out of warranty'

the upside is that most climbers who reach everest's upper slopes are extremely hypoxic and so focused on that one thing that they're really not taking in their surroundings (other dead climbers, very dessicated)

the downside is that carrion birds also get way up there

You'd think they'd help them out a bit, sort of on eagles snatching hobbits off mount doom situation

maybe that's what happened to the titan (not eagles)

I may have had a passing interest in the idea of exploring the deepest parts of the ocean, but I read Into The Drowning Deep last year and it freaked me the fuck out about what actually lurks miles below the surface.

there's thrill-seeking and then there's just 'doing dumb shit'

People zipping through canyons in squirrel suits - yeah, okay, I can see how you've "never felt more alive" or whatever even with a strong chance of becoming a jelly stain on the wall. Bolting into a diving bell to look through a Vizio TV and smell a billionaire's protein shake farts? Nah.

i'm with plains in that once I saw that Logitech I woulda peaced the fuck out

guess what:
https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate

At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.

For reference, the Titanic is estimated to sit on the ocean floor at a depth of nearly 13,000 feet.

Paying passengers wouldn’t know or be informed about Lochridge’s concerns, according to his complaints. They also wouldn’t be informed “that hazardous flammable materials were being used within the submersible.” Lochridge expressed concerns about the Titan again. But OceanGate didn’t address those concerns, and Lockridge was fired.

they use games controllers on actual submarines - they are cheap, standard and familiar

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/18/17136808/us-navy-uss-colorado-xbox-controller

xp

that would lend some credibility to the theory that this was very likely a catastrophic structural fail. The CEO of OceanGate was on there, so his and others attitudes was obv standards schmandards ... it'll be reet.

kinda wonder how the search & rescue is being paid for

also even if they found it, and it were intact, then what? attach a grappling hook to a three-mile-long cable and hope they can snag something?

send another sub full of billionaires to rescue them imo

and this time equip them with a submersible with proper industry standard navigation controls, like for example a Kempston joystick

I hate billionaires as much as y'all do, but I'm a little grossed out by everyone cheering on the death of a 19 year-old kid who got dragged along by his dad.

I couldn't give a toss about the rich brat tbh

not so much cheering the son's death as overlooking it so as to facilitate the cheering about the billionaires

another day, another thing to not care about. it's healthy tbqf.

thousands of poor migrants are dying at sea and treated like subhumans, fuck billionaire's pobby brat

they use games controllers on actual submarines - they are cheap, standard and familiar

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/18/17136808/us-navy-uss-colorado-xbox-controller

― koogs, Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:54 PM (thirty-five minutes ago)

picturing a lot of submarines drifting left after a couple years

sub captain musta been real inspired by our Off the Wall thread, particularly "Get on the Floor"

inside every 19 yr old billionaire's kid is a future Elon Musk

lol rob otm

billionaire's 19 yr old kid - strongly dyslexic today

meanwhile the other billionaire's stepson went to see blink-182 tonight

talk about having a bad week

they might be billionaires on the surface, but they're sardines down there

lool

19 yrs old is not a child, they could have said no.

it might have been him that dragged his dad along into this

So this billionaire "worked to introduce the first regular business jet service to the Antarctic using a Gulfstream G550, landing on Wolfs Fang Runway, an ice runway."

All the folks who decided to build their office parks in Antarctica are probably really sad right now.

all GOP Senators should go down in their own unregulated submarines if they believe in business

inside every 19 yr old billionaire's kid is a future Elon Musk

"Captain, I feel like we've been going around in circles for hours."

"Huh? What? Wait a minute... who looped this rubber band around the joystick?"

don't think this has been noted yet

oh my god pic.twitter.com/VDw8G4ID8S

— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) June 20, 2023

Absolutely speechless that David Pogue, the CBS journalist who went on the missing Titanic sub last year, WITNESSED IT GET LOST FOR HOURS WITH NO LOCATOR BEACON AND DECIDED NOT TO MENTION THAT IN HIS REPORT pic.twitter.com/vgNC9vpCoF

— eric (@MrEAnders) June 20, 2023

meanwhile, 600-700 refugees drowned near Greece but they don't matter.

inside every 19 yr old billionaire's kid is a future Elon Musk

isn't that from the demo version of Bowie's Candidate

so I'm reading this CNN story about the missing submersible and there's a link to last month's story about new Titanic wreck footage now in ultra-sharp 8K res, and it turns out it was filmed on last year's OceanGate expedition. The article morphs into an OceanGate advertisement in the last two paragraphs, noting that "seats are still open" for this year's expedition for $250,000. Do news organizations actually look at what's in the links they insert in stories or do they leave this to bots? Also, what seats?

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/titanic-new-8k-video-footage/index.html

meanwhile the other billionaire's stepson went to see blink-182 tonight

yeah... about that guy:

Finding out the blink 182 submarine stepson was jailed for making death threats to various female rave DJs & im at about the limit of information I can take in on this news story

— Justin🦩Boldaji (@justinboldaji) June 21, 2023

lol I thought mark was joking last night with the blink 182 sibling comment

lot of people giving me shit about this post — “buhhh they imploded” “buhhhh they aren’t hungry” — maybe learn to talk less and listen more when maritime lawyers are speaking https://t.co/o2P4QqA1py pic.twitter.com/KyYMa4crGf

— Helldude Classic (@allahliker) June 21, 2023

hey girl what ya doin' down there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2eitx9Ly0

Do news organizations actually look at what's in the links they insert in stories or do they leave this to bots?

The information in last month's story was accurate at the time it was published. News organizations shouldn't go back and edit their past stories to make them more relevant to the present.

Agree fully, but I wouldn't have posted a link with no cautionary note to it either as if it's just another older Titanic-related story either.

NV that’s one of my fave songs of all time lol.

dare i say, a banger?

I literally cannot escape this story today.

closed FB because now it's moved on from sub memes to pearl clutchy bullshit from usually smart-minded folk, only to go into my Team chat at work and see my colleagues all having a banal, one hour convo about it where they somehow relate it to themselves.

hard to resist hard the temptation to respond "plz no further sub discussion unless it's memes"

god if I get to the Orlando City soccer match tonight and we observe a moment of silence for this submarine I am going to rip the loudest fart through a fucking megaphone

it's all becoming a bit brass eye

unfortunate conjunction of posts there

Maybe Thomas Dolby will get a bump out of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OsZTJ5vfUs

on the plus side, I do think the phrase "hoist with his own petard" will be back en vogue this week

I hate that phrase.

don't worry, it'll be forgotten next week when some rocket/glamping coach/hot air balloon* goes missing

*don't you dare reference it, anybody

lol at glamping coach

sad that Gordon Lightfoot isn't even around anymore to write a song about this

sundown
you better take care
if I find you've been crashing submarines down there

The ‘oxygen left’ widget on CNN is ghastly.

indeed as i said on the other thread.
the whole countdown thing is seriously fucked up

they are quite likely already dead, but this is just fucking five extremely rich people - hundreds times that went down in the Messenia migrant boat disaster last week. It's great how some people prioritise human tragedy - yes only rich western people count - thanks for clarifying that lads.

the families of victims of the migrant boat thank you for your support and consequential actions Calz.

xp Okay, I still hope these five people survive

I don't, the world is objectively better off with less billionaires

Their billions aren't going away though, they'll just go to their even more worthless offspring.

still a win imho

The billions will just go to his heir.

this is just fucking five extremely rich people

the way I see it the fact of billionaires on board is just one of the hooks that pulls in the big time interest. there's also the Titanic angle, the race-against-the-clock angle, the novelty of the submersible and the ease with which people can imagine the horror and claustrophobia, which are all at least as potent in generating a huge "rubbernecking" audience. ofc the media are all over this. it's like the standard "white woman in peril" story multiplied by ten.

tbf, none of those migrants died inside a box freezer powered by a gamestop controller that sank two miles deep into the ocean with Celine Dion blasting in their ears. show some respect.

LOL

The moral arc of the universe is long

I don't give a fuck if they live or die. fuck the CEO and his shitty company. He said regulation "stifled innovation" and deliberately operated in waters that were outside of the Coast Guard's jurisdiction to skirt their regulations, he illegally fired a whistleblower for pointing out the serious safety flaws to government officials, he ignored the safety concerns issued by 38 experts 5 years ago, and still felt comfortable charging a quarter of a mill to ride in that deathtrap. He made everybody on board sign a contract basically saying they were riding in an uncertified vessel, they could die, and they were agreeing to those terms.

I'm happy he got blown up by his own bomb and that for once that regulatory disobedience/rule-skirting didn't result in the deaths of any everyday civilians, like is usually the case. fuck the CEO and fuck his company. the passengers knew the risk when they got on board and frankly should have their judgment called out during their funerals.

and this is the story dwarfing all of the news right now and costing untold amounts in rescue operations

Sure, the heart will go on but the logitech controller battery is not holding a charge

I feel we are rethorically this close to advocating for the death penalty if it involves people whose morals we don’t agree with. Dude sucked, empathy is still possible.

that's SOP on ilx

Schadenfreude on a message board def a slippery slope towards legislative change yes well done there.

that's not what VHS said. he was speaking of our rhetoric, not predicting legislative action

I feel we are rethorically this close to advocating for the death penalty if it involves people whose morals we don’t agree with. Dude sucked, empathy is still possible.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, June 21, 2023 5:22 PM bookmarkflaglink

jfc none of us actively killed these guys, they killed themselves.

like what even is that take. they got what they wanted - to ride in an unregulated, unsafe ship free of government interference. and now they live (ha) with the consequences.

You are litteraly happy tor the death of a person.

I actively wish death on relatively few people. There are far more whom I would not miss if they were gone.

costing untold amounts in rescue operations

Send the bill to the estates of these guys, there is probably enough in their sofa cushions to pay it.

like it'd be one thing if the CEO was kidnapped, abducted, tortured, and his family murdered by a serial killer and we were posting in threads called "Hey United Airlines CEO whose head is rolling down Rodeo Drive, what's on your iPOD?"...

I'm not even sure the victims themselves even think this is a tragedy. they willingly took the risks, it was verbatim in their contract.

You are litteraly happy tor the death of a person.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, June 21, 2023 5:28 PM bookmarkflaglink

No, I just *don't care*

I don't want these rich people to die, but tbh this almost seems like a suicide mission

I do, however, and have always cared about lack of regulatory oversight, companies who put lives in danger for no reason other than to seek bigger profits and brag to their friends that they gave the middle finger to the government while doing it.....and am glad this time the guy responsible for this shit is one of the ones going down. nobody learns until it happens to them (not that I think his heirs will learn a thing from this, will probably blame the government)

and you know damn well if the people in this submarine were a bunch of 9 to 5 hobbyists that put it together and set off in an uncertified vessel in international waters, the media would be framing this story very different.

They're probably keeping their spirits up by taking turns reading aloud from Atlas Shrugged.

but using charades, so to conserve oxygen

and you know damn well if the people in this submarine were a bunch of 9 to 5 hobbyists that put it together and set off in an uncertified vessel in international waters, the media would be framing this story very different.

― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, June 21, 2023 5:35 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Nah, the whole world and media cared just as much for the 33 chilean miners back then. None of them were billionaires.

I wonder if any one of them accidentally said "I didn't sign up for this"

there is a great ww2 sub movie called 'below' that was directed by david twohy and is really spooky and well done, but it's probably a little too lol unrealistic

― steve goldberg variations (omar little), Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:23 AM (fourteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

still rep for this

I don’t really believe in karma or anything and even if I did I don’t think five idiots stepping on a fatal rake would balance out a real humanitarian disaster

It’s not irrelevant to compare hundreds of desperate people having to put themselves in mortal danger & being allowed to die by a callous system with a carful of the most extreme representatives of that system going “lol I’m putting myself in mortal danger lol” tho or to talk about the relative coverage of each

Yeah it's a dramatic, unique situation carrying tension and related to the most famous shipwreck in the world... I agree with Aimless's take there's plenty ingredients in the recipe to make this captivating aside from the "billionaire" element

Original Star Trek is basically a submarine show for a lot of episodes.

the Chilean miners were the victims of the negligent Mining Company that owned them. I said if the inhabitants of this submarine were blue collar workers, the narrative would be more how they "shouldn't have been in the water" in that vessel and brought it on themselves, followed by Republicans saying 'this is why we need to close our borders' (regardless of the race/ethnicity of the people inside). a few media outlets are reporting on the company's troubled history but mostly the narrative is 'oh what an unspeakable tragedy'.

bbc four showed Kursk on Saturday evening...

wins otm

the moral to this story is just to enjoy the photos in National Geographic and leave it at that

about the funniest appeal to authority I saw on this today is an actress friend who claimed authority on discussing the value OceanGate brought to underseas exploring because she just did a one-woman show about Titanic (the film) this year.

I hope they all live and afterwards come to my house and we can all be friends

the Chilean miners trapped in a mine was different because it was a situation where any reasonable comrade was hoping they could be rescued. These fuckers are already dead and likely have been since Sunday. It's just such a low sympathy rating story and the disproportionate response by the media and various governments and rescue services really does underline the utter vileness of so called "Western Values".

if they do manage to live, Elon's going to host a special on Twitter where they'll all talk about how heartbroken they are that their struggles were memed to death

these lads are pan breid

I heard something that there were SEVEN different systems to automatically bring this sub to the surface, one of which would kick in even if everyone on board was passed out

If it was on the surface, it would have likely be spotted by now

flat bread thins

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/former-titanic-sub-passenger-describes-conditions-on-expedition-this-is-not-a-disney-ride/3174264/

"None of these people were people that were I would consider tourists — tourists is such a bad term," Newman said of the passengers. "These are people who lived on the edge and loved what they were doing and if anything's going on, these are people that are that are calm and thinking this through and doing what they can to stay alive. So this is a good set of people."

Reminds me a bit of the expert on the local news in die hard speculating the hostages were likely experiencing "Helsinki syndrome".

https://images.rapgenius.com/9c1457644fbba62429364a4e249daf95.448x252x1.jpg

Hooray for really dumb, really irresponsible stories from NBC News:

Aaron Newman, an investor in OceanGate, took a trip down to the Titanic in 2021 and said he felt safe during the entire journey.

I guess everyone that forks out $250K for a ride is an 'investor'

You are litteraly happy tor the death of a person.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Didn't see you in this thread.

Refugee situation / EU response - rolling news

Is that because you get to use this event to play your games?

Guys, if we can’t agree on something as basic as “All billionaires should die” then we’re never going to agree on anything.

i think we can all agree that the real villain here is . . . big government

Red tape from the US Coast Guard has held up life-saving equipment from reaching Titanic tourists trapped deep underwater, @NatGeo reports.https://t.co/yAHS18Nd0s

— David Beard (@dabeard) June 21, 2023

I have solid assurances that all billionaires will die.

In fact, they will all die billionaires.

Maybe the real adventure is the dead billionaires we ate on the way

Guaranteed based orcas fucked their shit up.

no come on

oh my god pic.twitter.com/VDw8G4ID8S

— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) June 20, 2023

that's the best part!

hate to ruin the fun, but I think that's made up

How is a migrant crossing the Mediterranean not aware of the risks they take ? Must that inform and reduce our empathy ?

It's not my idea of ethics to measure the futility of an endeavor and establish a ladder of who's useful to the world and whose life can be callously disregarded. Some people are born or get rich, good for them. Dishonesty and bad decisions are pretty well spread out. You're stuck 3800m under at sea or on top of the Everest, you deserve to live until no one can do anything for you.

A closer analogy would indeed be miners, or the indigenous kids stranded in the rainforest after the plane crash, or the Thai boys in their cave, which all made world news. Migration is a little different: more complex, continuous, global. Any human right violation could replace the submarine story and "dwarf" it, I think we get the point. But seeing how happy people are about their clever analogy and prepare to labor their simplistic point about "good and bad people" is a little sickening.

The Titanic sub billionaire rescue mission is entering final hours of hope to find survivors.

Meanwhile in Italy & Greece, search & rescue to save people at sea is criminalised.
Pia Klemp is among those facing jail for rescuing migrants #r4today #FreePia https://t.co/RD730mB8g4

— Zoe Gardner (@ZoeJardiniere) June 22, 2023

xp
"Some people are born or get rich, good for them."

no actually, individuals amassing great wealth is absolutely terrible and should not be permissible and every one of these grasping greedy fucks is making the world a worse place. lol, you can stick your idea of ethics up your arse pal!

Hell Or High Water, didn't like that one much. Not the best Fuller by any strech.

Look we are just randoms on a msg board. Saluting our true heroes.

I could not write this headline even if you gave me infinite monkeys and infinite keyboards and infinite time pic.twitter.com/c6wwPvrKjF

— Ed Solomon (@ed_solomon) June 22, 2023

the plot of The Core: the centre of the earth is playing up and so obv we need to send a future tech submersible somehow through thousands of miles of solid mantle and then navigate through the ocean of molten lava so we can NUKE THE CORE.

maybe being trapped in a submarine is a metaphor for being trapped in your obscene wealth, unable to escape from it no matter how dearly you'd like to. makes you think.

yesterday I heard some marine boffin saying that the proper submersibles are spherical so that the huge pressure they need to withstand is equally distributed throughout the body of the capsule. That sounds very sensible, perhaps don't try doing any innovating here, lads.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Bathyscaphe_Trieste.jpg/1280px-Bathyscaphe_Trieste.jpg

this^^^ is the bathyscaphe trieste -- but the inhabited bit is the little globe underneath

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg/1920px-Trieste_nh96807.svg.png

i like that the inside of the "observation gondola" looks like a little kitchenette

tracer hand gave me a book as a housewarming gift abt undersea life, called MEMO TO NEMO: i am reading it v slowly bcz distractions, it is beguiling

To withstand the enormous pressure of 1.25 metric tons per cm2 (110 MPa) at the bottom of Challenger Deep, the sphere's walls were 12.7 centimetres (5.0 in) thick (it was overdesigned to withstand considerably more than the rated pressure)

is the correct way to build a deep sea submersible, overdesigning and over caution - the opposite approach to these chancers.

even so one of the outer windows cracked! that must have been an adrenalising moment :o

yikes! Just noticed that the huge gasoline tanks are not to power an engine but are used as buoyancy fluids. I don't understand how that works - but it must do!

Xps more like Nah, bozo

Blessing the thread with much info to laugh at and enjoy.

these men paid $250,000 each to die in a length of pipe https://t.co/eI1GI9o1IT

— Alice Podcasts (@AliceAvizandum) June 20, 2023

gasoline is lighter than water so it will act as buoyancy yes, and will also fill the tanks out to resist the outer pressure more effectively (safely) than e.g. air

that's why if you want to effect a scam as per a famous US fraud you can sell petrol tanks full of seawater except for the top foot or so, where the petrol is floating

as long as they don't have a very big ladle you will get away with it (the guy didn't get away with it)

Comparing the Chilean miners to this, I’d say “Be serious,” but…🫣

Honestly think suffocating like this one of the worst ways you can go, but xyzzzz__ & Cams otm.

who is memo

This thinking of others suffering no matter what they've done. Wonder how many hold a sort of religious set of beliefs?

Who cares you think (correctly) people with obscene wealth do stupid things. Do you think their impending horrific deaths don’t prove that point better than a tweet? Like telling a terminally ill lung cancer patient he shouldn’t have smoked. Thanks, Steve, think he knows that.

— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) June 21, 2023

More like Buddhism rather than something along Evangelical lines?

xps to bozo

I don't think anybody is happy about or thinks comparing the mass N Atlantic mobilisation here for 5 dead rich idiots with the non-response (aside from reports that the Greek coastguard could have been complicit in causing the boat to capsize) in the Mediterranean last week is a clever analogy. It's just simply pointing out the repulsive prioritising of wealth and the ethical void of the Western democracies that has been on display this week is sick making.

No he's right, I've had a think and we are responsible for their deaths because of this thread and should think about how rich people benefit society

Supply chains, for one

xpost
I just don't see the need to construct a relation between what wealthy individuals do on a whim and our collective failures in responding to migration. In an ideal world, some people would be sued in international courts for the latter. Building fancy toys and dying at sea does not offer remediation for the crimes of our democracies, it doesn't reduce inequalities. So I don't really get why people find it deliciously ironic and entertaining, like it was a secret wish to see the rich and powerful die. Is that the kind of unworthy feeling we have come to ?

like it was a secret wish to see the rich and powerful die

I don't think anyone is keeping it a secret.

Amused at how many itt keep wanting to frame it like people are giddy over impending death.

When it's really just cracking jokes about a ridiculous situation

And once again, it's not that "rich people lived dangerously oooh", it's "a rich founder that believed he knew more than the leading voices of the marine industry sought to defy regulations, created an unsafe death-trap that he insisted was as good or superior to licensed vessels, and died in his own unsafe death-trap as a result"

Yeah, hubris has a way of undercutting sympathy.

Elon Musk is probably sketching a better, safer, cheaper, faster, even more deadly submarine on a cocktail napkin somewhere.

"construct a relation between what wealthy individuals do on a whim and our collective failures in responding to migration."

Nobody is constructing anything. People are noting two events where people have drowned, one week after another, and comparing the response.

You can only laugh.

It’s comforting to think that Elon’s mission to Mars will probably end up exactly like this.

And once again, it's not that "rich people lived dangerously oooh", it's "a rich founder that believed he knew more than the leading voices of the marine industry sought to defy regulations, created an unsafe death-trap that he insisted was as good or superior to licensed vessels, and died in his own unsafe death-trap as a result"

MEMO TO NEMO

This doesn't rhyme in America.

It doesn’t here either!

Whew then!

It’s comforting to think that Elon’s mission to Mars will probably end up exactly like this.

Maybe he'll use feathers and beeswax.

Which would go a long way further than a third-party video game controller.

Literally the madcatz controllers of unfortunate deaths at sea

the difference is Elon is a massive coward who would never actually put himself on one of those rocketships

that ego tho, maybe we can goad him into it

I’m on team “explosive decompression they’ve actually been dead for days”

same. my amateur (and probably total bollox) theory is that during consecutive dives the fibreglass part of the craft had developed tiny fractures or the parts where it is joined to the metal parts of the craft became compromised + this hadn't been detected because they probably had a piss poor safety check regime. And it just went pop this time. I don't care how strong the fibreglass was, there is no doubt a good reason nobody else uses it for deep sea crafts.

I'm of the opinion they'll never find this floating sinking deathtrap, and there will be endlessly dull thinkpieces on the "mystery" of the missing sub full of twats. Movies, you name it. Possibly further search missions for it too, some of which will (hopefully) get into trouble themselves and have to be rescued by an irate costguard. Meanwhile thousands more migrants will die and it'll be their fault for not assessing the risks.

Gear up for the moment someone starts giving tours of the newly-discovered OceanGate sub, found 400 yards away from the Titanic.

- "You can't do that! Have some respect for the dead!"
- "Oh really?"

Recently, a private airplane lost its pressurized oxygen, everyone passed out Payne Stewart-style, and it crashed in Virginia before skirting too close to D.C. airspace.

At least three of the passengers were rich as fuck, one of them having been legally adopted by a big Trump donor when she was 40. (I still don't understand that.)

There's one reason why we weren't cracking wise on that situation. Well, there are many reasons, but there's one primary reason.

And that reason is this:

https://i.imgur.com/CFwoITO.jpg

When your captain has a side job as a Chris Maggio photo model, you need to find something better to spend $250,000 on.

https://i.imgur.com/ArDtjdn.png

santa popping up to intone "nooo suuub"

dude was clearly cursed, this was inevitable

I'll be really upset if the Blink-182 fail-son has no connection to the Fyre Festival

Eulogy:

say it ain't so
I will not go
Turn the lights off
Carry dad home

can't wait for three months from now

Although the reserve oxygen likely ran out months ago, officials continue their search on the possibility that all five sailors have developed spontaneous genetic mutations that allow them to live without air

I'm waiting for the theories that the sub was really on the way to Atlantis, which has been repurposed as the new Epstein island, when it was attacked by Trump's aquatic Qtroops.

like father
like son

On board were the five
The airplane guy, the billionaire, his son
The guy who couldn't stop talking about the Titanic, the CEO
The so-called gods of our legends

My guess: the janky electrics led to a power failure, which led to the inevitable cascade of events to where things are now. The game controller doesn't bother me, but the apparent lack of redundancy does. I've read differing numbers, but the Titan seems to have dived 50+ times which seems likes a lot for a maker faire submarine. Parts of James Cameron's Mariana Trench sub was built from invented science fiction material but once those dives were done, it was parked.

Wealthy people have been finding novel ways to kill themselves and their help off for centuries. A record number of people died on Mount Everest this year, higher than even the infamous '96 Into Thin Air year but it's nbd now because most every year since is a deadliest year. The same will happen once enough rich people have killed themselves in sub accidents at the Titanic, the Bismarck, or in self-serving searches for Amelia Earhart or MH370. By then, we'll all be media saturated in whichever billionaire has blown themselves up in a Martian rocket explosion.

yeah 50+ is a lot of dives, it could have developed all sorts of structural faults as well from such heavy usage.

It's one thing to fly a drone with a controller originally made for a video game console. If the navy wants to use them for lifting the periscope up and down, so be it.

But when it's your primary apparatus to steer a submarine filled with people through the pitch black depths of the ocean, I don't know. Maybe build something you can steer with your hands and not your thumbs? I'm old-fashioned, I admit it.

dying at sea does not offer remediation for the crimes of our democracies, it doesn't reduce inequalities

don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good

<3 u dlh

lol!

British guide, Kenton Cool,49, set a non-Sherpa summit record at seventeen.

ChatGPT, devise me the name of a British man who has climbed Everest seventeen times

what'as important is that the knocking sounds will continue to be heard on calm and spooky nights, long after the oxygen and the attention have run out

this reminds me of the ghost my mum claimed haunted the cellar of the pub she worked at. They named this ghost Tapping Jack.

lol dlh

They couldn't prevent Jack from being tappy

yeah 50+ is a lot of dives, it could have developed all sorts of structural faults as well from such heavy usage.

― calzino, Thursday, June 22, 2023 10:36 AM bookmarkflaglink

yeah the founder actually stated there was fatigue in the vessel a couple of years ago and temporarily limited the depths it was allowed to descend to (which were now above where the Titanic is), then he resumed plunging to Titanic depths again, though it's unclear what was 'fixed' to suddenly suggest it was ok.

amusingly, have been teaching today a comprehension involving The Jumblies, who ofc went to sea in a sub sieve. somewhere someone is performing an appropriate rewrite

all five sailors have developed spontaneous genetic mutations that allow them to live without air

https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Mariner-Waterworld-Kevin-Costner-c.jpg

Also, without hair.

we did it pic.twitter.com/k6nozyQWG7

— Helldude Classic (@allahliker) June 22, 2023

lol "Let that sink in"

Sinkah to thread!

the investigation of the company and it's dealings will be known as Oceangate-gate

Baby gronk, Andrew Tate
Hunter Biden, Oceangate
North Korea, South Korea
Marylyn Monroe

RFK, "Don't Say Gay"
What else do I have to say

https://theroyaltouchmarine.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/img_7419.jpg

Put me in, coach!

and we would all go down together

A+ Billy Joel deep cut reference, really ties it all together. Anchors it?

apparently a debris field has been found

they've been dead all this time probably

fucking Namor

LOL

bottle of white, bottle of red
everyone in that submarine is dead

Turns out the debris is the band from the Titanic, still playing

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2U5NTUxZjUtMDc2Ni00MmNhLTk0MjEtNjk2ZTk5MzAxMzljXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjAwODA4Mw@@._V1_.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJe6aQiXoAINq1s?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTDVTwPNZw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P5TaZeWwcI

Imo they will find the submarine and open it, and it will be completely empty

Balloon Boy got us again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8qjxT1iIAM

I’m on team “explosive decompression they’ve actually been dead for days”

seems correct to me, too. too many shortcuts in the design & construction

'Landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible' among the debris

not looking great

rip to the submarine billionaires whos lives i value equally (a lot) to any other human

AFAICT this was basically just a protracted game of Russian roulette except they had 50+ attempts and the trigger was a Logitech controller

Seems like it's over:

We have just had an update from dive expert David Mearns, who says the debris includes "a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible".

Mearns is a friend of passengers aboard the Titan.

rip to the submarine billionaires whos lives i value equally (a lot) to any other human

immortality = a slap in the face to people who died previously!!!!11!!1!!

“The days of government funding are gone,” he said. “It really needs to be a private enterprise, just as exploration was at the turn of the last century where people with means make the exploration possible.”

SkyNews reporting the debris found in the search for Titan was "a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible”https://t.co/Fv6lFVc83K pic.twitter.com/Saqsh9WSNu

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) June 22, 2023

too many shortcuts in the design & construction

did you see the video of them gluing the thing together? just kind of eyeballing it

_'Landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible' among the debris_

not looking great

Seems like it's over:

_We have just had an update from dive expert David Mearns, who says the debris includes "a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible".

Mearns is a friend of passengers aboard the Titan._

🐦[SkyNews reporting the debris found in the search for Titan was "a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible”https://t.co/Fv6lFVc83K🕸 pic.twitter.com/Saqsh9WSNu🕸
— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) June 22, 2023🕸]🐦

seems like an inside job

I'm astonished that they even found it. Like, it's sad that this indicates the deaths of those aboard, but my guess was that they would never find anything.

maybe the debris was deepfaked

Cool it with the conspiracies, I’ve heard of a landing frame and a rear cover but a landing frame job and a rear cover up??!

"that rear cover is the pointy end of it and the landing frame is the little frame that it seems to sit on."

i feel like i'm in kindergarten

That design appears suboptimal.

They think it's all over...well it's a landing frame and a rear cover.

I'm not a submersible design engineer but having an unrated carbon fibre mid section so that you can fit a few extra passengers and maybe also keep the cost down seems like an extremely unsafe and downright fucking dangerously stupid idea

design this poor and standards this lax once got a politician's kid decapitated at a water park in the early 21st century

i'm still amazed by the contention that they decided to cut costs on the window, going w/the one that could supposedly withstand up to 1300 meters deep of ocean pressure over the one that could withstand 4000 meters, on a craft that was habitually descending to 4000 meters!

Spared no expense on the screen door tho

liquidised in 30 milliseconds sounds like not the worst way to go out

much better than choking on stale farts and C02 in total darkness if hypothermia hasn't taken you yet

I'm amazed that people who have unlimited resources chose to cut costs in an environment in which the smallest problem can result in sudden death.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c0/f7/09/c0f7093c0f545fd9ea4d66f04ae907ed.jpg

If only they'd looped Phil Swift in at the design stage.

So now we know they have been squished, the BBC is calling them fearless, passionate explorers. Nobody believes that, idk where this language comes from.

So any clues as to what was causing those noises yesterday? I'd think an explosion would be a mostly a brief, one-time event.

Whale sex

They seem to just be saying they are unrelated at the moment. The thinking seems to be that the implosion probably happened around the time that initial contact was lost.

Everything I know about submarines I learned from movies, and iirc there's always a bit of passing exposition at the start where they talk about the threat of depressurization, which would lead to the thing imploding like a crushed soda can, and then later, at a point of high drama, they hear some dramatic clanking, the passengers look at each other, and then the thing implodes like a crushed soda can.

It's weird that this even became an (attempted) thing, that sub must have good PR.

idk about passionate, but going several miles underwater in that thing *was* pretty fearless

i think if you're equipped with a certain amount of arrogance and have fallen prey to the normalcy bias, you're already a bit further than most down the road to potential doom

Fear is a survival mechanism, so yeah, being fearless is not actually a great personal quality

Jimbeaux otm - I guess I assumed if you’re smart enough to get a billion bucks, you’d be smart enough not to venture 13000ft below sea level in a happy-meal toy

I’m also not gonna be more concerned for someone’s safety than they are for themselves.

On the contrary, I think there should be expedited hearings held to determine and implement stricter safety standards for private luxury tourist submarines.

This seems to be less an instance of fearlessness and more a manifestation of the ever-increasing 'I CAN DO WHAT I WANT YOU'RE NOT MY MOM, GAW'-ification of the adult world.

several acquaintances talking about what a loss it is since OceanGate has contributed a lot to 'research' and then I ask them 'what research' and nobody seems to know what they actually contributed on that front, it's just part of their PR blurb.

Can safely say that no news app I've ever built has the enduring general appeal of the PPP loan database: pic.twitter.com/bKSqnYMSU6

— Derek Willis (@derekwillis) June 22, 2023

kinda funny this was all to see something famous, extreme tourism

like they played it like "we do the tourism stuff to fund the important stuff" but all I've read about them suggests the tourism part was all they really did

getting a billion dollars doesn't require smarts as much as it does being self obsessed and having no morals

Did any UKers here watch the documentary Titanic Sub: Lost at Sea that aired on Channel 5 earlier tonight? Yes folks, there's already been a documentary about the Titanic submersible, even before the oxygen supply was expected to expire. (for comparison, the first film about the actual Titanic sinking premiered a full 29 days after the ship sank).

Maybe this will all prompt some significant advances in the search and rescue field.

LOL

https://www.indy100.com/viral/titanic-submarine-memes-worst-internet-2661695035

getting a billion dollars doesn't require smarts as much as it does being self obsessed and having no morals

i see mark zuckerberg and he appears to have the vacant eyes a stuffed animal. elon musk obv is george santos w/rocket fuel.

LOL

https://www.indy100.com/viral/titanic-submarine-memes-worst-internet-2661695035🕸

lol

I'm relieved that someone didn't have to watch his son suffocate to death for days.

Though in complete darkness, I guess he wouldn't have done so anyway.

Odds are that at most they had a brief moment or two of utter terror, then instant annihilation.

Sounds about right

loud shuddering ominous noises like popcorn cracking emanating from the hull

"nah don't worry folks, it always does tha..."

they should be added to the Titanic's fatality count, 110 years later

four more hearts that will go on

cameron not impressed

‘Titanic’ director James Cameron on the ‘catastrophic implosion’ of Titan submersible: “I’m struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field." pic.twitter.com/vO8JkCXS5f

— ABC News (@ABC) June 22, 2023

ironic given it was the rich passengers that got away in the first place

Titan movie is going to have a pretty abrupt ending in comparison

maybe all these newly-lost passengers are somehow connected to old survivors and this is like a Final Destination scenario

Dead Men Tell No Tales

we're sending our love down the ocean

the "submersible diving community" is not impressed!

Laughing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAMYGzwUTK4

Oh well, that's a wrap then. See you all in another revived thread when the next stupid thing happens.

U-571 got robbed

how is there still nightmarish things to learn about this submarine? next it will come out that the thing was powered by a bunch of rusty car batteries they fished out of the ocean and chained together or something pic.twitter.com/3krphVq9KY

— jenny_tightpants🪑 (@halomancer1) June 22, 2023

seems like everyone involved knew that the sub did not exist anymore

you are wild for this one, the navyhttps://t.co/C9nT187Vcg pic.twitter.com/ChhOAxMwle

— rat king 🐀 (@MikeIsaac) June 22, 2023

According to this, they heard an explosion or implosion noise when they lost contact with the Titan. So, they pretty much knew what happened days ago. pic.twitter.com/QobayW8EER

— Staz Trudeaux (@SheJStaz) June 22, 2023

Okay, now I'm, now I'm... what's the word I am looking for?

I guess someone at the press conference asked about getting the bodies recovered… like, what bodies?? They’re liquefied!

a resultant paste, one might say

you can't un-smoothie the flax seeds in your smoothie once they've been smoothied

Omg sleeve nooooooo

Lmao

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/titan-implosion-why-and-how-the-submersible-might-have-imploded-and-what-happened-to-the-subs-passengers/ar-AA1cUakD

Moreover, the implosion would have been almost instantaneous, lasting only milliseconds, according to the Journal of Physics: Conference Series. Something similar happened in 1961 to the USS Thresher, a submarine, which is thought to have imploded.

The catastrophic event would have pulled the metal vessel apart "like taffy," according to Naval History Magazine. "Complete destruction would occur in 1/20th of a second, too fast to be cognitively recognized by the men within the submarine."

nothing to see here, folks (literally)

They fucked around and found out.

I hope that's of some comfort to the families?

I'm not sure what comfort there is to be had here. They died the way they lived?

Seen it all....one of my friends posted a maudlin ukulele tribute to the submarine victims last night.

I didn't bother to open it so I have no idea what song. But also this person can't sing either and I do know that going in already

Was your friend by any chance…Amanda Palmer?

One of the Project Azorian books (I forget which one) described exactly what had happened to the recovered section of the K-129, and the crew entombed within it. I still can't get my head around just how fast the forces in play work - it's like reading about Shuttle Columbia's disintegration. Sudden total annihilation in milliseconds.

Thomas Vinterberg directed a film about the Kursk sub disaster called either The Command or Kursk depending on where/when you are. Worth checking out - it's not all Dogme 95, just competently directed.

a few years ago I stumbled across a reddit post about the Byford Dolphin diving bell accident, horrific stuff but thankfully over in a millisecond. Couldn't get it out of my head for a few weeks.

they should put the following quote from the founder on his epitaph:

"At some point, safety just is pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything"

Safety is for losers!

I unfortunately read the wiki page on that today and it was wretched

structural failure at 3800m would be an absolutely painless way to go and if your estate wasn’t in order, at least your family doesn’t have to argue about whether you wanted to be buried or w/e

I’m oddly calmed by the fact the titanium plate in my wrist from a past accident would just be sitting there somewhere on the ocean floor presumably intact

dont walk down the sidewalk dont go to the bottom of the ocean in a sub that all the other sub guys wrote you a letter telling you to not go to the bottom of the ocean in

xxpost Men Without Hats didn't create that dance for their health!

Lol!

Don't cross the street, you know you could get killed walking your doggie, don't install a window able to withstand pressure at 4k meters.

Stockton Rush saw Jurassic Park in 1993 and teared up when John Hammond came on screen, saying "now THAT'S a leader!"

Stockton Rush, Northern CAs top cover band.

Stockton Rush, Northern CAs top cover band.

There's something I don't really understand. This thing about it being known all along that it had imploded, and the running out of air story that was run with was always implausible? Whats the story on this?

At a time where media trust is low seeing people come out after the fact and saying oh yeah we knew all along doesnt seem good if thats the case.

I've not been following so maybe that was out there, I just saw lots of links to how much oxygen was left

Could be a situation where they were simply not absolutely certain, and only once they had found the wreckage could they say yep that's what was heard. Idk the details though.

WaPo:

The acoustic detection was one significant piece of information, but the search had to continue to exhaust all possibilities, said Mark Cancian, a senior adviser with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“They suspected what happened but couldn’t be sure,” he said. “What you’re looking at is just lines on a graph. And if you try to convince people you weren’t doing a search because the lines on a graph indicated an implosion, that wouldn’t be acceptable to many.”

human life redundancy check

I get that they wanted to continue the search and not say "oh they probably imploded lets call it off', but I feel like the running out of oxygen thing was run as the dominant almost-certain story and then immediately it was all oh yeah we knew all along it imploded.

I don't know anything about maritime matters, and I'm one of those people that couldn't find Titanic on a map until yesterday so I can only take at face value, but it feels sort of weird people barely talking about implosion and then oh we knew all along it was implosion

All I've learnt is that Midjourney does not know what an implosion looks like

OceanGate Expeditions@OceanGateExped
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Learn how you can join our 2023 Titanic Expedition as a Mission Specialist:

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not king princess making this tiktok when their cousin’s husband is on the submarine pic.twitter.com/B6PnTMIL01

— dev (@jstorbitch) June 22, 2023

Good take.

The submarine thing is suspicious. It seems very far fetched that a bunch of billionaires would take such a risky trip to check out the titanic ruins. I mean surely they have more pressing things to do as billionaires... And now they've disappeared. Sounds like an escape plan.

— Layah Heilpern (@LayahHeilpern) June 22, 2023

https://www.theonion.com/critics-say-submersible-should-ve-been-tested-with-poor-1850566314

surely they have more pressing things to do as billionaires

Questionable premise

escape from what?

not sure what could be more pressing than 5,800 PSI tbh

oof!

That's pretty funny (also horrible).

They invented a new type of fish food, unfortunately they themselves were the prototype

escape from what?

― Ste, Friday, 23 June 2023 bookmarkflaglink

From their billions.

tsk, pesky money!

imagining the bargaining sessions w/ St Peter right now are pretty amusing

The only way to ensure the safety of refugees fleeing by sea is to put a billionaire on their boat

— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) June 23, 2023

We could put a billionaire in a small metal room with portholes and market it as extreme tourism to see how desperate poor people live in the conditions they created

— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) June 23, 2023

a few years ago I stumbled across a reddit post about the Byford Dolphin diving bell accident, horrific stuff but thankfully over in a millisecond. Couldn't get it out of my head for a few weeks.

― nate woolls, Thursday, June 22, 2023 5:36 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this was really grim, like just horror movie stuff, but yes apparently instantaneous.

sam fuller's hell and high water! i just saw it for the first time a year or two ago. so cool. the colors are amazing. i would buy the blu-ray if i saw one. definitely on my submarine top ten now. the story and acting is....ehh. but it doesn't matter because it looks so cool.

https://usercontent.one/wp/www.oldtimereview.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/48486945532_5aed8360cc_o.jpg

Xps I don’t think whoever tweeted that actually watched the king princess tiktok because the whole point of it is obliquely referring to her own billionaire relatives.

good thread about the origins of the carbon fiber design here

We now know that the Titan submersible's carbon fiber hull basically exploded

You probably know that carbon fiber is prone to randomly shattering

So WHY did they use it for the Titan?

Fortunately, they wrote an article about why!

It starts with this guy: pic.twitter.com/dfXOxyWPhv

— Daniel Feldman (@d_feldman) June 23, 2023

I would like to have it cleared up whether the fact of the implosion means the story of "My Heart Will Go On" repeating in an infinite loop was false. This would be sad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzS9c3sWIAA_Nbs?format=jpg&name=small

very good stuff

"Past his shelf life" should be on Rush's tombstone

Questions were swirling Friday about whether OceanGate may have exaggerated its ties to NASA, Boeing and the University of Washington in developing its Titan submersible.

"The state-of-the-art vessel, designed and engineered by OceanGate Inc. in collaboration experts from NASA, Boeing and the University of Washington, made its subsea debut in 2018," OceanGate Expeditions wrote on its website in 2021, according to archived webpages.

In a statement, Boeing said it "was not a partner on the Titan and did not design or build it." Representatives for NASA and the University of Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/23/titanic-submarine-submersible-implosion-recovery-live-updates/70349511007/

jokes i know but:

A family member of the two Pakistani passengers killed in the dive says her 19-year-old nephew was hesitant to accompany his father on the voyage.

Azmeh Dawood, the older sister of Shahzada Dawood, told NBC News that her nephew, Suleman, informed a relative that he "wasn't very up for it" and felt "terrified" about the trip.

She told the outlet that Suleman ended up going on the trip because it fell over Father's Day weekend and he was eager to please his dad, who was passionate about the Titanic. "I feel disbelief," Azmeh told NBC. "It's an unreal situation."

Suleman was a student at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, Scotland, the university confirmed. He just completed his first year in the business school there.

a real time monitoring system was better than nothing but when a material is described as "prone to random shattering" then there might not be any detectable signs it's about to shatter until you are already turned to soup.

Fuck, that's depressing. xp

otm

Jesus, that’s sad. But I’m sure the brigade will be along soon enough to explain why it’s actually a good thing that a 19 year old kid who didn’t even want to be there is dead.

dads are the worst.

james cameron said he knew they were goners days ago but didn't want to be interviewed until they found the wreckage. he was very matter of fact. comparing the captain of the titanic to the sub guy! ouch. he's been down there dozens of times. it ain't nothing to him.

it's harsh on the captain of the Titanic really, he wasn't warned by multiple marine engineering experts that the design and materials of his seacraft made it an unsafe piece of garbage and an accident waiting to happen! Cameron admitted that his sub was "experimental" but they weren't claiming it was safe and charging gullible rich eejits 250 grand to be "mission specialist" passengers to oblivion.

"Pay $250,000 to meet God" is a pretty good deal.

K-19 is Bigelow’s second worst film imho, a rare miss for me.

i am always a sucker for those scenes where everyone has to be really really quiet on their sub so that they don't get blown up. so scary!

in general, submarines are a fucking nightmare to me. so frightening to be stuck down there and not be able to come up for air! like prison. but maybe worse.

If Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea taught me anything, it's to stay the hell out of submarines. You will encounter lobster men down there, for starters.

if you were stuck in stricken sub and slowly suffocating in darkness. I could imagine instinctively feeling an urge to open the hatch to escape, even though the rational part of your noggin is saying NOT A GOOD IDEA.

Xps yeah the 19yo is the only one I have real sympathy for. I’m glad it imploded instead of running out of oxygen, for his sake. I can’t imagine how horrific it would’ve been to force yourself to do something you were so scared of, only to spend 4 days watching your nightmare play out in real life.

so frightening to be stuck down there and not be able to come up for air

Big nuclear subs make their own air out of sea water

same

they should train dolphins to pilot submarines imo

yeah the 19yo is the only one I have real sympathy for. I’m glad it imploded instead of running out of oxygen, for his sake.

agreed

they should train dolphins to pilot submarines imo

Given the amount of expenditures the Dept of Defense shelled out for university research during the 60s along with the then-recent realization of dolphins as having intelligence(and thus being trainable), it’s entirely probable somebody got a contract to attempt this

Jack Kirby got there in the 70s

https://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/kirby/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2007/03/Kamandi221974.jpg

the man-tank

need more good guys with dolphins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Dolphin#/media/File:Day_of_the_dolphin_ver3.jpg

aw jesus

Day of the Fuckin' Dolphin

I've stayed quiet on the whole lost submarine thing since the beginning, because I am not an expert on underwater search and rescue. However, now that there's stuff about underwater acoustics, this is a bit more in my wheelhouse. 1/n

— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) June 23, 2023

^this was very good, thanks

Billionaires are dying.

James Crown, a billionaire businessman who held several leadership roles including board member of JPMorgan Chase, died in a racing accident in Colorado https://t.co/jWF63VGlqp

— CNN (@CNN) June 26, 2023

need to know what kind of car he was driving

It had a supercharged V12 with a frame made of pvc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBsk-MV_GzM

this billionaire and his spoilt brat son got lucky. He originally bought the 250 grand tickets for the death trip - but changed his mind and sold them to the two that died. It's a heartwarming story - as you'd expect from the Mail!

I would be smiling like that, too, if I just dodged death.

that kid making the "oh, WORD?" face in the still is killing me

Curious what the UNINFORMED Might be saying

"He researched the marine life at that depth and perceived threats to the vessel"

https://i.imgur.com/qQdR80J.jpg

tbf, dude saved his life

the wife and mother was on the radio yesterday saying she had meant to go down but had swapped places with her son who wanted the world record for the deepest rubik cube solve...

Maybe he finished it

what a moment

lol, those texts.

"Yeah very stupid"

I was curious what "a swordfish attacked Alvin" was in reference to, and, another heartwarming story:

On 6 July 1967, the Alvin was attacked by a swordfish during dive 202. The swordfish became trapped in the Alvin's skin, and the Alvin was forced to make an emergency surface. The attack took place at 2,000 feet (610 m) below the surface. The fish was recovered at the surface and cooked for dinner.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSV_Alvin

B-b-but what about the Simon and the Theodore?

who wanted the world record for the deepest rubik cube solve

Man, imagine what you'd do with a billion dollars and this guy just nails it.

(unfortunately the company that oversees the record attempts rejected the idea)

cos they'd have to go down there with em!

ayoo 😭 pic.twitter.com/1UTKi3EgQ9

— RΛMΘN (@ramonlmunoz) June 26, 2023

lmao at My Heart Will Go On beat

OMG

https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/the-titan-submersible-was-an-accident-waiting-to-happen

“Do you think the sub could be made safe to dive, or is it a complete lemon?” McCallum replied. “You will get a lot of support from people in the industry . . . . everyone is watching and waiting and quietly shitting their pants.”

“It’s a lemon.”

also I thought that ‘mission specialist’ nonsense was just to flatter the rich passengers to make them feel like more than mere tourists, no it was liability avoidance - no passengers died!

"Soon [after Lochridge was fired], Rush asked OceanGate’s director of finance and administration whether she’d like to take over as chief submersible pilot"
lol

Rush: “We have heard the baseless cries of ‘you are going to kill someone’ way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult.”
lol lol

"OceanGate’s lawyer Thomas Gilman soon issued Lochridge a court summons: he had ten days to withdraw his osha claim and pay OceanGate almost ten thousand dollars in legal expenses. Otherwise, Gilman wrote, OceanGate would sue him, take measures to destroy his professional reputation, and accuse him of immigration fraud."
i'd say lol lol lol but actually more hoping this fkn lawyer's "professional reputation" now gets flattened (instantly and as if by multiple tons of seawater)

I think the old French dude had a death wish because he vast submersible industry experience and was intelligent enough to know the sub was a total bloody lemon or maybe he figured the money was worth the danger. But he should have known better than bringing a sheen of respectability to such a terrible project for such an appalling guy.

it's interesting that titanium sub hulls actually strengthen after every dive. I would use titanium!

friendship ended with david lochridge
now david guetta is my best friend

it must have been a heavy burden on Lochridge, knowing how shit this sub was and powerless to do anything about it. Every time it does a deep dive - just waiting for the breaking news...

Another “mission specialist” wrote in a blog post that, a month before the implosion, Rush had confessed that he’d “gotten the carbon fiber used to make the Titan at a big discount from Boeing because it was past its shelf-life for use in airplanes.”

Wait a minute, you can dumpster dive Boeing for expired carbon fiber?

Sad lol at "One of the clients said that she had delayed buying a car, getting married, and having kids, all “because I wanted to go to Titanic"

Wealth is truly wasted on the rich

yes i'm a bit uncertain about this second-hand carbon fibre story, i'm sure i read somewhere (i thought in this article but i couldn't just now re-find it) that it was commissioned for this project but then only spun or woven or layered along one axis, leaving it significantly weaker

that story is great

i don't want kids or to get married but tbf i want to go to titanic a lot less

(i do need to buy a car tho)

I used to be quite fascinated with the Titanic sinking when I was a kid. James Cameron/DiCaprio absolute killed off any residual interest left in it as an adult.

they keep finding stuff that was more spookily fun when it was lost forever (like mallory's body on everest)

time to dig up captain scott

calzino otm

They build cruise ships these days that dwarf the Titanic so it's no biggie anyway. I'm still quite haunted by the MS Estonia sinking though. I think that went down quite fast in appalling conditions and with a huge death toll. Horrible it was.

the ridiculous hubris of this is that, as much as Rush abused the word "innovation", he really was only chasing personal significance.

he probably could have still made a killing in this niche industry if he'd developed a craft in partnership with industry leaders and conforming to industry standards - a bunch of rich assholes might have paid half a million to do this instead of $250,000. It would have cost more, but it wasn't even 'cost' that was his concern, it was that he'd be capitulating to the old guard, that he'd be seen as 'insignificant' by just creating another conventional submarine. Nevermind that there would probably be plenty of opportunity for innovation WITHIN a partnership like this.

He wanted to go it alone so that he could get all the credit for its success, so that he could be seen as a gamechanger in the industry, someone who defied regulation with ingenuity and won. none of his 'innovation' was to make the craft any safer, and it wasn't even necessarily just to save money either - it was to build a cheap, clunky craft that worked that showed he was more in touch with reality than the people who do this for a fucking living.

It’s WILD to me that the sub was built from carbon fiber. Mountain bikes are made from carbon fiber and if you crash once, you’re supposed to replace your frame because there’s no way to see where the material is now weakened. The whole idea that the sub had done however many dives so that proved it was safe - it’s the opposite when it’s made from carbon fiber: every dive was causing damage that was invisible.

it wasn't even invisible if you shone a bright light at it "from behind, and photographed beams streaming through splits in the midsection in a disturbing, irregular pattern" !!

had a stupid creepy dream about this sub. I was looking into the interior of it and thinking this is all toast now so this is obv time travel. Then I started seeing the doomed passengers and was avoiding eye contact with them because it felt embarrassing that I knew they were already dead and I didn't want to have any awkward conversations with them.

Then I started seeing the doomed passengers and was avoiding eye contact with them because it felt embarrassing that I knew they were already dead and I didn't want to have any awkward conversations with them.

Me any time I ride the bus.

heh!

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stockton%20Rush

Anyone remember this movie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_Awaits

So I when I heard that searchers heard a banging sound underwater, my initial thought was 'holy shit, there's still survivors living on the Titanic, they've learned to produce oxygen and they live on oysters and they're still wearing 1912 clothing' probably because I saw this movie as a kid

the banging noises are still not explained! (it was ghosts -- but whose ghosts?)

it was death sex

the coelacanths have just discovered Tresor

MIsread that as "the coefficients just discovered by Taylor."

one man always gets trapped and drowns because they have to close the hatch before he has time to get through.

― dubmill, Thursday, February 5, 2009 9:44 AM

I saw a movie in the early 80s on HBO where a sailor insists on a higher-ranked officer to go through a portal first and then locks the hatch. The room the officer was just in floods and he sees through the portal the body of the sailor float by. My memory is of the sailor with his mouth wide open and the scene being distorted through something like a fisheye lens.

(Not unlike Kent Brockman's "ants are our new overlords" scene from "Homer Goes to Space".)

It was a very scary scene to see see at a young age, and goodness knows it has stuck with me 40-odd years later.

But I have no idea what movie it was. Any clues from you?

that new yorker piece is great. my favorite bit is pointing out how rush flipped the script on the catastrophic design flaw in true con artist fashion, highlighting the system which was in place to warn when you were milliseconds away from a swift and grisly demise.

Yes indeed.

"this plane is fine - we don't need a fuel gauge. when the fuel has run out completely, we then start to hear a beeping."

The system ran on Bluetooth

ffs

"says 'cannot connect to device'. what do we do?"

“I read an article that said there are three words in the English language that are known throughout the planet. And that’s ‘Coca-Cola,’ ‘God,’ and ‘Titanic.’ ”

Taking back all my complaints about the "mentioned in the same breath as the Mona Lisa" joke in Glass Onion being a little forced.

honestly glad this guy is dead

that new yorker piece is great. my favorite bit is pointing out how rush flipped the script on the catastrophic design flaw in true con artist fashion, highlighting the system which was in place to warn when you were milliseconds away from a swift and grisly demise.

Yes! And the bit about how calling the passengers "mission specialists" wasn't just Rush being pretentious, it was a way to avoid liability.

“under U.S. regulations, you can kill crew,” McCallum told me. “You do get in a little bit of trouble, in the eyes of the law. But, if you kill a passenger, you’re in big trouble. And so everyone was classified as a ‘mission specialist.’ There were no passengers—the word ‘passenger’ was never used.”

Sorry, that started with me quoting omar little - I meant to put it in italics.

just imagine the kind of shit this guy would be saying now had he not gotten smushed tae fuck

they knew the risks
exploration has its dangers
innovation
breaking things
fortune favors the bold, matt damon

why can't twitter catastrophically implode and take musk with it

there is a transcript of the final text comms between the sub and the carrier ship doing the rounds, it may or may not be real. It suggests they possibly descended way too fast. "Crackling noises at aft" and a power failure at 3400 ft down then a doomed attempt to ascend as backup power apparently failed as well. James Cameron said they had dropped ballast, so perhaps this was something that leaked at the time amongst the submersible geeks, because that is a detail he seemed quite sure of. If it is real ... the last 20 mins on that sub ... sheesh ... it wouldn't have been good!

"new details received by TMZ today - apparently all five sub-mariners shat themselves moments before implosion, with Stockton in mid-sentence about not telling the press that he died covered in shit"

https://archive.ph/nGzUD

it's here for what it's worth

yeah the part about the ascent is in the new yorker article as well

This is Titan Sub to Polar Prince
I'm near the ocean floor
And I'm floating in a most peculiar way

ICYMI

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/14/us/titan-submersible-implode-design.html

"you are remembered for the rules you break" is this clown's "stupendous leg"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLX2WvGDbL0

Spherical shape preferred is pretty much Calculus 101, no? Also, hadn’t thought about how the different compression rates would add to the stress on the join. D’oh!

damn. I've used up all my NYT freebies for now. Another moneysaving strategy for Rush was dragging the Titan 100s of miles to the dive sites on its platform. obv it's cheaper than chartering a bigger ship with the equipment to lower the sub into the water. On the last trip it had got caught in a ghost net which possibly might have done damage to the electrics (as recorded by some influencer prat who was on it for a brief dive in a cove just one dive before the doomed one) and it obv made maintenance a pain in the arse - it must be impossible to do it properly when you are working on a raft that is getting tossed about in rough N Atlantic conditions, rather than it being safely parked on the deck.

An interesting point someone made was that blaming the dodgy looking gluing process is a red herring. Because at them depths even if the glue failed it still wouldn't implode at that depth because the intense pressure would hold the 3 sections together. Not that I'd recommend putting that theory to a real world test with live humans!

when the influencer prat went down in it - it was just a test dive in a cove I think. They were about 5 feet under the sea and the only working comms system they had was a diver communicating with sign language through the window and this was days before the last dive. And Rush was playing down serious technical problems they were having as "just wiring problems, perhaps".

Titan being towed like that is a factor brought up in the article.

something beautifully poetic about Stockton Rush bragging about how nobody had died in years in a submersible and getting to be one of the few in recent history now.

Submersibles must withstand the deep ocean’s crushing pressures, which squeeze with equal force from all sides. At Titanic’s depth — two and a half miles down — every square inch of a submersible experiences three tons of pressure.

A spherical hull distributes the stress evenly, making it the best shape for resisting the compressive forces of the abyss. Any other shape, experts said, will tend to deform unevenly.

^this is what I meant by Calc 101. Although no doubt it was already to known to Archimedes if not much earlier, either with or without his proto-calculus method of exhaustion.

Actually I had this discussion late Thursday night with a friend who is about to get his hips replaced. I asked him if was going with titanium hips or the cheaper carbon fiber alternative.

A spherical hull distributes the stress evenly, making it the best shape for resisting the compressive forces of the abyss. Any other shape, experts said, will tend to deform unevenly innovatively.

It would suck if his hips imploded

Meant to tell him that

the uneven deforming between the titanium end caps and the c f hull was probably what the frequently occuring crackling noises were. But Rush seemed to really believe that this was some kind of process that would sort itself out, like as if the weaker parts of the hull were getting stronger every time it happened.

already known to any who has blown up a football

i think you possibly need calc to "prove" it tho?

"i refute it thus" said dr johnson, booting the pill past the goalie

some guy from Triton submersibles who said quite contemptuously "we don't do Titanic" also said something like the only way you could do tourist trips down there without it being a suicide mission would be if you charged at least a million per ticket. This was the gap in the market that Rush decided needed an innovative solution.

i take that contempt as a serious personal insult

the Triton subs have done Challenger Deep multiple times without any messing about, James Cameron would fuck them!

cameron turning out to be a high-end respected expert at something besides making terrible movies is the actual real worst aspect of this whole debacle

lol, yes!

already known to any who has blown up a football

The idea of a football being a spherical thing that you kick is extremely confusing tbf

Cameron's submersible almost crashed into the carrier ship during a test dive, if it had got completely knackered before his big dive - it might have made watching deepsea challenge much more interesting. When they engineer these submersibles properly it really makes for dull viewing - it goes down, darkness, muddy silt and not much else. Then it goes up again.

are there many legit reasons to send people down to these depths instead of a drone with a camera?

Easier to catch big fish with real worms

the Scottish billionaire who got souped in Titan, he also did Challenger Deep in a Triton craft, Mount Everest, Space as well I think. Rich egotists with childish Guinness Book of Records fixations need to be great people who did great things.

Lol, Evan.

are there many legit reasons to send people down to these depths instead of a drone with a camera?

― orcas who sign their posts like it's a freaking email (Noodle Vague), Saturday, July 15, 2023 3:25 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

nope

i wd rep for scientific human eyes to gaze and ponder e.g. the dumbo octopus at depth, or that fish with a transparent head full of jelly

but with wrecks a drone is all you need

marine scientists/biologists good, yes. But rich people doing bucket lists/ego trips all do quite deserve to be turned into toothpaste.

couple recent books about these matters that look interesting (but that i haven't read yet):

THE BATHYSPHERE BOOK: EFFECTS OF THE LUMINOUS OCEAN DEPTHS

THE DEEPEST MAP: THE HIGH-STAKES RACE TO CHART THE WORLD'S OCEANS

has anyone ever seen The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms? i saw that at a pretty young age and the diving bell scene permanently made me go "i'm never going anywhere near the ocean depths. i get actual anxiety sometimes during flights over large bodies of water, the plane safely crashing in said body, but everything else after being a degree of terror the plane crash somehow didn't live up to.

I found out Rush's great grandad, Captain Stockton was involved in the making of an experimental cannon he named Peacemaker (not really experimental but apparently a ripoff of another existing carronade design, but a badly constructed version). He took it for a demonstration cruise on USS Princeton for an audience of billionaires, politicians, top nob military ppl. It allegedly could shoot much further than standard naval artillery of the era. But this one just blew up sending hot shards of iron into the crowd killing 6 people. heh!

"he added to the bloodthirsty gaiety of the nation"

TIL, Currier and Ives made lithographs that weren't just people ice skating or cavorting in the snow

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Explosion_aboard_USS_Princeton.jpg

HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHER BUILT THE PEACEMAKER?

That thing killed the secretaries of state and war!

President Tyler was on the ship when it happened!

How about the Sultana? Did any of his relatives design the Sultana?

lol amazing family you can only tip you cap

"First cousins five times removed, meaning Robert F. Stockton was the first cousin of Stockton Rush's Great Great Great Grandfather."

From: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/14h9x7r/oceangate_ceo_stockton_rush_kept_reminding_me_of/

This is the only "source" I'm finding of this connection so far?

lol, the hats popping off

stockton rush is an amazing name i bet he wouldnt have been so cocky if he was just jim or whatever

apparently the Peacemaker was only fired 5 times before it was certified as accurate and fully proved. And it was a bad ripoff of "The Oregon" designed by John Ericsson.

three passes thru wikipedia make the link:
(richard) stockton rush (iii) (our guy) is a direct descendent of
richard stockton (continental congressman, signatory of Dec of Ind;
whose grandson robert field stockton built the tyler-seeking peacemaker

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Hon._Robert_F._Stockton%2C_N.J_-_NARA_-_526010_%28cropped%29.jpg/1024px-Hon._Robert_F._Stockton%2C_N.J_-_NARA_-_526010_%28cropped%29.jpg

richard field stockton listens to a WAV of someone knocking on the titan's hull from the depths five days after implosion

The relations between Ericsson and Stockton had grown tense over time and, approaching the completion of the ship, Stockton began working to force Ericsson out of the project. Stockton carefully avoided letting outsiders know that Ericsson was the primary inventor.[citation needed] Stockton attempted to claim as much credit for himself as possible, even designing a second 12 in (300 mm) gun to be mounted in Princeton. Unfortunately, because Stockton did not understand the design of the first gun (originally named "The Orator", renamed "The Oregon" by Stockton), the second gun was fatally flawed.

When launched, Princeton was an enormous success. On October 20, 1843, she won a speed trial against the paddle steamer SS Great Western, until then considered the fastest steamer afloat. Unfortunately, during a firing demonstration of Stockton's gun, the breech ruptured, killing Secretary of State Abel P. Upshur and Secretary of the Navy Thomas Walker Gilmer, as well as six others. Stockton attempted to deflect the blame onto Ericsson,[citation needed] with moderate success, despite the fact Ericsson's gun was sound and it was Stockton's gun that had failed. Stockton also refused to pay Ericsson, and by using his political connections, Stockton blocked the Navy from paying him.

Haha, stealing credit from Ericsson and then throwing the blame on him

xxpost it's legit. from geni.com, I sussed out that

Richard Stockton, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, was the father of Julia Rush and Senator Richard Stockton, among others. Senator Richard Stockton was the father of Captain Robert F. Stockton

Julia Rush was the mother of Honorable Richard Rush, who was the father of Colonel Richard Henry Rush, who was the father of Benjamin Rush, I, who was the father of Richard Stockton Rush, who was the father of R Stockton "Tock" Rush, who was the father of Richard Stockton Rush, III, aka...Stockton Rush.

I don't mind the sun sometimes the images it shows

Ericsson was the Lochridge figure to the 19th century Captain Rush, he was someone seemingly with engineering competence and knowledge losing an argument with the ignorant stupidity and arrogance of some spoilt poshboy tyro who doesn't know what they are doing, but has the power to crush them and carry on fucking everything up!

The Currier and Ives Peacemaker lithograph reminds me very much of Return of the Obra Dinn.

https://www.fulltable.com/vts/b/bang/5.jpeg

"I say... my hat appears to be aloft and I'm moments from certain death ... how undignified"

the combo of stovepipe hats in the air and the rigid stances of everyone in the Currier and Ives pic is actually v funny!

damn how did I miss that they literally hired college interns to design the electrical system

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/stockton-rushs-oceangate-had-college-043106609.html

What is the name for the phenomenon where someone thinks expertise doesn't matter? It's not quite Dunning-Kruger.

The "Scott Adams"? (Guy thinks he can master any subject in hours)

Maybe that is Dunning-Kruger, since he is clearly overestimating his own abilities. Hell, he's had about 35 years to master drawing and he hasn't got anywhere yet.

some rich sub-enthusiast guy who had been on a Titan dive in the Bahamas described the hull making loud noises "like a shotgun" every 3-4 minutes in deep water. Another previous passenger said similar and that on ascent when it was about 300 ft from the surface you'd hear more loud noises that might be the stored energy of all the compressed faults and voids in the cf hull being released. Would really love to be the person who has to keep reassuring ppl that this is all completely safe + fine and normal!

There was a travel writer, Arnie Weissmann who was on the Polar Prince. He noticed some issue with the Titan platform a few weeks before its last dive. From photos and vids it seemed damaged from being dragged behind the PP for so long and was either submerged or semi-submerged, or not looking properly buoyant and apparently the damage (possibly caused by ghost net entanglement) had left a serrated edged on the platform sharp enough to puncture one of the dinghies. When he asked Rush about the platform, which was apparently submerged at the time - he got a snarky evasive answer, something like "a submarine underwater? wow we've really got problems here, lads". If the platform was damaged by the rough and tumble transit method, there is a good chance the sub was as well.

just summarising interviews and stuff from bad youtubers that might be rong but it all seems legit enough to me. Apols if it is bullshit.

Lessons to be learnt

ok, i know we’ve all kinda moved on from the titanic sub “disaster”, but 60 minutes australia recently dropped an interview with one of the owner’s former friends that is some of the best television i’ve ever seen.

some highlights: pic.twitter.com/SgtJnsVhld

— 👋🏾 @burncoryburn.bsky.social (@burncoryburn) July 17, 2023

more bigger mousetraps!

Wow!

he also said the hull was making noises like a shotgun every 3-4 minutes when he was on Titan in that interview, the experience obv left him quite shook. Rush was resorting to giving freebie tickets to influencers, maybe not for the PR - perhaps for increased publicity when they inevitably got splatted!

Seems like a complicated plot and a lot of work when you can just poison some people at a dinner party.

I think his blinkered and arrogance had him believing that suicide hull had some *issues* but was good to go, still a crazy guy though. If he really knew how close to imploding under pressure that sub was he would have shat out or done a sickie and sent some hapless intern in his place imo

and

stockton rush is an amazing name i bet he wouldnt have been so cocky if he was just jim or whatever

― lag∞n, Sunday, July 16, 2023 3:55 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

actually being cocky requires one to have regular sex imho

"Wow!" "Yeah."

in my theory the deep-sea sex is what strained the carbon fibre

sex strained the carbon fibre
now there's sounds foreboding
and the ship's imploding

Wow move over jigsaw, this guy's the real deal

cue James Cameron telling all the US news networks that he knew all along that they were only going down there to fuck

cronenberg should do the movie

This 60 Minutes segment is so funny. The editor inserted one of the interviewer's lines ("Well there must have been something wrong with it, because five people are dead") at two different points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxud6ZQKmMw

tough point to argue with tbf

"who was the last person to murder two billionaires at once?" absolutely destroys me

again a very good point!

the co-founder of oceangate, amazing guy...i feel like there were a couple things he said there which might not stand up to fact-checking.

the last person to murder two billionaires at once: December 2017, near as I can tell.

that person? stockton rush (prove me wrong)

"The popping noise is expected in carbon fiber halls. That was in prior halls, not the one that dove a couple weeks ago."

Just a bit of popping in the hall, nothing to worry about, it's like turbulence on a plane

*hull, excuse me

ctrl-f "greyhound" not found

this is a great submarine movie (submarines are mostly invisible but constant enough threat that i think it counts). 91 minutes (love to see it). released during lockdown so didn't get a lot of love.

oh shit are they making Greyhound submarines for commercial travel?

I heard James Cameron say if he hadn't been so busy making Avatar 2 he'd have been more vocal in his objections to Oceangate's unsafe practise, after all he hasn't stopped talking about it this last month. I believe this nerd is what is known in the US as a monday morning quarterback.