Trolls

There shld be more music chat on ILE, maybe.

Q is right - complacency is more destructive than change - BUT there's a difference between challenging consensii and just getting into arguments where both sides are on autopilot.

More likely, I just need to take a break from the net.

It's your own fault for encouraging me onto these boards, Andrew!

Which is the problem here: how do we define a troll?

again, this is not to put down new people! just the trolls.

yeah, this is precisely why i've been taking a break from the boards (or trying to anyway...a better one than the half-assed one i did when i moved to washington)...my own behavior/stance on the boards seems to have degenerated down to this level more and more frequently and frankly it pisses me off...i don't like to be cranky (okay maybe just a little), and i don't like to be frustrated all the time, and i don't like to come off as a dullard or - even - a troll myself...i really promised myself - after i broke away from usenet - that i was never gonna join any other "online communities", but ilx really seduced me, because frankly as ramosi said before: i've never encountered a board or whatever with a higher percentage of literate, witty posters with "something to say." unfortunately ilm is shit on a shingle these days and i feel increasingly out of the ile loop. and despite what tom thinks, i really do think a lot of the new "regulars" at ilm (how do we define regular when some of these kids seem to be post twice a week and everyone seems to be posting less?) are part of the problem, not random googlers. i know what boards many of them are coming from, and frankly i didn't/don't want to see the typical indie kid message board posturing/faux- aggression/ego-masturbation be transplanted to ilx.

(*cue tom saying that's not how it is at all, even though he asked the question, and dave saying that we already had all three of those things in abundance already.)

eat it, ewing.

sarah: yes, it is in the mail already. look for it sometime next week? if you want, i shall post the track listing to ile. (i don't from transatlantic mail times.)

gareth: if the vote of the whole house is against me, yes.

tom: fnar.

For me it's unhealthy to get too enmeshed with ILX, as I'd get nowt done, and worry about stuff that i can't do anything about. I haven't really noticed any trolls except obvious crackpot , but I only read 1 in 5 threads anyway.

I'm making a conscious to decision to post less and not worry about *keeping up*, whilst (despite shoddy non-appearence this week) going to more ILX piss-ups. People and beer are better than poxy message boards.

My moneys on old Mr Ewing who hangs around the abandoned greenspun server.

Sorry, lame but irresistible.

Just to clarify that I'm *not* a troll I am the poster formerly known as Samantha, duh. During a ILE IM chat I latched on to the idea of just calling myself by a letter, ala Mr. Dastoor. I thought it was fancy.

FWIW, Nicole does have a point...

i dont think i've ever been impersonated on ilx (negatively). i've been impersonated on usenet, however.

and some TROLL on ilm seems to think i'm schizophrenic anyway.

No you dignified it with two HA HA HA HA oh my sides can i go home yet.

i'm too intellectually lazy to post on any of the "intelligent" threads anyway.

Ned, a troll? That explains a lot;>

But seriously, Tom, I can't always post a lot either. And when I do, I occasionally enjoy goofing around (see above comment). But, from what I've seen, ILM/E thrives on the strange questions....as well as the serious ones.

I try to only post when I've got summat to say about a particular subject, but it's not easy to resist the pull when you are "surrounded" by talkers. In fact, that's what makes it fun.

Why not think of it this way: we outnumber the "trolls" 100 to 1.

http://www.onthemedia.org/2013/may/31/writer-and-his-troll/

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oo8ilv_sJFg/T-p1lJdNd6I/AAAAAAAAAxs/tlr9_R78aXA/s1600/trollcollection.jpg

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idk where else to put this but lol

http://www.fox.com.au/scoopla/trending-now/blog/2014/6/amazing-rainbow-tie-dye-number-surprise-cake/

hahahahaha

let us marvel at the speed with which comments on a child's birthday cake devolve into total political ragefest shitstorm

That was delightful

what's a troll?
― nathalie, Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:00 PM (12 years ago)

Classic post

I love the internet.

Obvious Poster I am A professional Baker • 10 hours ago

Uh, I'm pretty sure you can freeze ice cream.

LOL

http://onlygags.com/wp-content/uploads/How-to-troll.jpg

adrian chen on anonymous and its mainstream water carriers

http://www.thenation.com/article/190369/truth-about-anonymouss-activism

great stuff; chen has been on fire lately

it's mostly a very harsh review of Gabriella Coleman, who i've heard on the radio at least once explaining the Anons. She also chimes in in the comments, looks like, on something pretty minor.

I thought the thread bump might be for this interview, which belongs in the canon of troll studies:

http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/interview-my-harshest-critic

Coleman is also heavily featured in the terrible hagiographical documentary We Are Legion.

Tony Ortega doesn't think Chen gets the sci-ti stuff right:

http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/18/what-adrian-chen-got-wrong-about-anonymous-and-scientology/

that is fair enough

how did I not know someone was arrested for a hate crime for covering himself in vaseline and pubic hair? what a world

two stories about the exposure of trolls:

more adrian chen!

http://www.technologyreview.com/photoessay/533426/the-troll-hunters/

a group of volunteer researchers called Researchgruppen, or Research Group,has pioneered a form of activist journalism based on following the crumbs of data anonymous Internet trolls leave behind and unmasking them. In its largest troll hunt, Research Group scraped the comments section of the right-wing online publication Avpixlat and obtained a huge database of its comments and user information. Starting with this data, members meticulously identified many of Avpixlat’s most prolific commenters and then turned the names over to Expressen, one of Sweden’s two major tabloids. In December 2013, Expressen revealed in a series of front-page stories that dozens of prominent Swedes had posted racist, sexist, and otherwise hateful comments under pseudonyms on Avpixlat, including a number of politicians and officials from the ascendant far-right Sweden Democrats.

(meta commentary here: http://www.technologyreview.com/fromtheeditor/533561/the-cost-of-trolling/ )

...aaaand reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2cpgy4/update_i_32f_just_discovered_my_husband_34_of_six/

I confronted him about the issue very tamely, over breakfast. I asked him, flat out, if he was harassing and bullying people online. He said yes, and immediately withdrew. After telling him that I needed to know why -- really why, not just "I don't know", he said he needed time to think about it.

When he finally gave me his answer, I was disappointed. He said he trolled/bullied people because it was an outlet for him to relieve stress. He said he didn't view the people as real, or what he was doing as anything other than a joke, and if it hurt feelings, "those people have bigger problems and it's not my fault."

I told him that it wasn't an acceptable behavior of an adult, and that he needed to stop it and find another way to express his frustrations that didn't involve hurting strangers. He said he would think about it.

Unfortunately, he's still doing it.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/545/transcript

The irony of Ira Glass narrating the segment about vocal fry was almost too much to bear.

well, at least they point it out

i guess 4chan, other racists and "redpill" types, have begun to fixate on a nickelodeon show called "bella and bulldogs"

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23cancelbella&src=typd

far-right dudes are p well obsessed with cuckoldry in general at the moment

(i first heard about this on Uhh Yeah Dude a couple weeks ago)

googled this to understand what the heck it was, instantly found a super racist site complaining about this, like "jew york times" territory

yeah, sorry, should have put some kind of general warning

the nickel version is that there's a nick show featuring a white girl and a black boy as main characters. some enterprising trolls have found that the producer had done some work in cheesecake media. you'll never guess what happens next.

http://i.imgur.com/rxMMkPJ.jpg

Creators of media for kids have been filling it full references to their weird fetishes forever- cf the entire history of comic books

i would not suggest taking this seriously

It seems very odd that, in order to be concerned about this, one must believe that all those details, which are so subtle, attenuated, and submerged into the background of the show that they require a lengthy exposition with explanations and enlargements for adults even to see their existence, are simultaneously so powerful and irresistible that children must certainly be corrupted by them.

Exactly what is it we are supposed to think will happen to the kids watching this show? That they'll all grow up to be 'cuckold fetishists'? Seriously?

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/rockosmodernlife/images/d/dc/Chokey_Chicken.png/revision/latest?cb=20120208100034

heh, i was thinking that's gotta be Rocko's Modern Life, and of course it is

i would love it if Nickelodeon gave an official "are you fucking kidding me?" response but what are the chances

cuckolding! there's a shakespearean reference i didn't think i'd see memed this year!

Given what is being said about 'cuckold fetishism' in that graphic, the word is being used all wrong. By rights, a cuckold fetish ought to involve antlers, not bulls, and hasn't the slightest connection to big black men schtupping pretty white women. Especially when they are unmarried.

really really whacked out story:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/11/terrorist-troll-pretended-to-be-isis-white-supremacist-and-jewish-lawyer.html

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150913/23335432247/one-man-troll-army-arrested-supporting-terrorists-wheres-line-between-trolling-terrorism.shtml

bizarre

Seems like a guy who felt like he could say anything to anyone and stir up any kind of turmoil, for any reason or no reason at all, and he would never suffer any consequences. This used to be called a power trip in the 60s and 70s.

creepy
isis stuff aside, wager this kind of thing (trolling political impersonations, sockpuppetry) not uncommon, in less extreme forms prob rife online

This is some weird shit: it's a conversation between a renowned internet troll and an FBI informant, neither knowing who the other really is and each working angles to try to get the other to do something, without either one ever realizing the other is playing a really different game.

surreal; there’s some black comedy to this
also some difficult legal questions
obv diff situation but a few strands of analogy to case of gf exhorting bf to suicide via texts

tanya headon one minute, tanya cohen the next

from past experience in the early internet days with trolling types,

the multi-angle trolling is really an artifact of an inability to socialize with others, on or off the internet. strong "non-partisan" ideology, claiming that "free speech" trumps all and that trolling somehow pushes out the borders of free speech to ensure even the most fringe positions are ok quickly becomes a struggle to circle the drain with all the muck without falling in

there's a complete lack of empathy or understanding of world events. things in the news, like attacks and cultural battles are still seen as important (although probably the troll denies their importance) not because of lives or actual stances but due to attention. through escalation and publicity the troll feels important.

there are definitely some pathological issues to that mindset, but at its base it's a feeling that a diminished feeling of self-worth isn't a problem, it's everyone else's problem. everyone should have a low sense of self-worth, and highlighting how trivially people who are doing things in the real world are manipulated is some sort of proof.

short version: this dude didn't circle the drain, he fell in, and someone needs to hit the garbage disposal

i suppose trolls can have all sorts of motives. the ones I've seen lately are just masochistic and I never considered self-worth in that equation

all sorts of "don't post pictures of yourself doing things I want to do, don't talk about activities I loathe (but really want to participate in)"

this is really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toap7iPpTbs

agreed

curious if anyone else has ever noticed a pattern of one troll camping out at a site for years on end (besides me ha ha). there's a dude at 'new york' magazine who derails almost every discussion of jonathan chait's blog posts i've seen whenever i'm bored enough to venture below, and check out the comment section. however paranoid it sounds i can't help wondering how many (if any) perpetual trolls are paid moderators on big and big-ish media sites, baiting traffic?

there's more than a few here of course.

def want to watch a 13 minute video on trolls

it's not what you think it is whiney