UK Watercooler 36: ANATOLIAN BREAKFAST

36 Officers
36 Hours of light
36 Righteous people
36 times to love, respect and protect the stranger

YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO

Happy now?

Oh no, I don't know what to do!

But you just did!

yay!

We forgot 36 CHAMBERS, doh!

http://www.thewire.co.uk/images/artists/sunn_o/302cover.jpg
Even tom d might be interested in reading about Magma.

Erm.... I'm kind of ashamed to admit...

(whispers)I actually think I might kinda like the new Horrors single(/whispers)

It sounds like Mother Sky. Completely not what I was expecting at all.

be ashamed

I am.

But really, it sounds nothing like them. If you'd played this for me and not told me what it was (which is what the Teenagers did) I'd have been all... wow, is this some nu-Kraut group?

Guess they've been listening to Brand NEU! a bit too much. Sigh.

is there a thread on how nme bands are killing krautrock like the strokes did with television? ;)

I am very grateful to the new Wire cover CD for alerting me to the release of a new Shogun Kunitoki album! Complete with super-expensive LP edition because it has patterns on that form animations if you also buy a mini-strobe to shine at them. Also this news also led me to discover that a 7" I'd been wanting for years because I knew (online) the guy who put it out actually features Shogun Kunitoki members and Lau Nau.

(I think I accidentally hit on Lau Nau once. When I say "accidentally" I mean that drunken attempts to speak languages you don't know are a bad idea. Maybe it was Islaja actually. Whoever it was seemed wildly unimpressed, anyway.)

The new Plan B cover CD is better though, for my money.

incase you dont read the spotify thread... loads of popol vuh and klaus schulze albums were added to spotify today

holy shit http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7948670.stm

That new Wire is ace. I am literally spending all day waiting for the new Sunn O))) to leak, gimme gimme gimme.

he needs some more

Kate - the first half of the Horrors single is lush, the krauty bass etc and the vaguely Stereolab reminiscent keyboard stabs at the start...but his vocals are quite meh, and then it gets very current-NME-indie-productiony sounding in the middle.. But yeah, as far as extended intros go, that's a goodie.

yeah, I'm just ignoring the vocals, as I normally do. But the intro is ace, and I also really like the long, meandering, Moroderesque keyboard outro. Yeah, I know that Krautrock and Space Disco are just the current sounds-de-jour to be dropping for a hipster band - but I can't help it, I like what I like. I always find it really weird when the zeitgeist kind of catches up with the stuff that I like. But I'm too old to complain this time, I'm just going to enjoy it.

I mean, it's not OOH AMAZING BRILLIANT or anything. I'm just surprised I don't hate it.

ARGH. WHAT SHOULD I PLAY TONIGHT!?!?!?

I haven't actually DJ'd since Night of the Long Swords, and I don't have any of my usual stuff on this laptop.

and Anna's on first, so I know she'll end up playing everything I want to play like she ALWAYS does.

Morning

Today started OK, and now I'm feeling cranky and bored.

I'm sick of being unemployed, I'm sick of the internet, I'm sick of feeling lonely and I'm sick of not having the money to do anything.

I'm sick of old people that hate on youngster's fun, and I'm sick of young people who believe that old people are incapable of having fun.

OK, a question.

While we're in NY, there's a gig w/ Lily Allen at the roseland.

What's that place like? Inasmuch as the kids (who would be the ones wanting to go), would they be allowed in?

Roseland... god, that place is an airplane hangar, it's HUUUUGE. I don't remember what the age limit is. You'd have to ask, it's often show specific in NYC - if they don't say, it's usually 21 and over, though. But I've certainly been to shows at Roseland with underage kids.

I only know it from that Portishead live video.

Will have to see, there's loads to do during the day, it's more the evening ents need sorting.

I did see some sort of "Times Square Spring Block Party" advertised for around the time, but everything else I've seen about it suggests it's bogus.

Six hour penetration set.

SIX HOUR FIC.

I'm bored out of my fucking mind. What else could I possibly want to play that I haven't brought?

I have just realised I don't actually want to leave the house today. :-(

I'm sorry, I need to have a bit of a rant, or a cry, or something.

WTF? WTF is wrong with me? I don't know what it is about me that just seems to attract hatred from random people on the internet. Is it tall poppy syndrome? Is it because I'm too eccentric or too enthusiastic when I like something, I really like it?

I just don't seem to be able to go ANYWHERE on the internet without picking up enemies, even when I go out of my way to be friendly and nice to people, there's always someone got a problem with me. And I'm just fucking sick of it, after going on what I thought was a really nice, friendly messageboard, and having a gang of people basically pile on in a clusterfuck of disliking me and criticising me for even being on their messageboard in the first place. It wasn't a disagreement with what I was saying, it was really negative shit on a very personal level.

LIke, WTF did I ever do to you to deserve this?

I should be happy. I just had loads of fun DJing with a whole gang of my friends. Things are actually REALLY GOOD on the music front again - Shimura Curves album coming out after all these years, and, basically, all the Shimuras pulling together over it and putting aside our differences and working together to make something REALLY GOOD out of it.

And I'm reduced to tears by a bunch of idiots on the internet who decide to all gang up and have goes at me because I don't think or act like they seem to think I should.

What the fuck is wrong with me?

Is it tall poppy syndrome? Is it because I'm too eccentric or too enthusiastic when I like something, I really like it?

I think, basically, yes. But this is not a bad thing about you. At all.

You have to remember that a)people who have personalities will be noticed, and b)people on the internet have no problem being heavily insulting and personal about you, whether because they disagree with you or because they dislike your posting style, and c)they don't expect you to care, either because they don't see you as a real person behind the text, or because 'it's just the internet'. And especially if you've developed an exuberant personality online - they expect you to simply stay in that zone, as a 'personality' not a person.

I have seen you post here before in a way that is not conducive to reducing such situations, as well. The best thing to do is either enter zing culture or to step away - on the internet you can rarely if ever talk it out; it becomes an infinite cycle.

On the other hand - Shimura Curves album coming out? That is really exciting news! Focus on that, because it will be brilliant.

I want to be back in London having dun with you and the other curves. I think this is the first real pang of home sickness I've had.

Having dun? Having FUN!!! AWWW, Ed, we missed you. You would have loved last night. You could have got some great knitting tips and been an honourary girl on the decks.

And thanks, emil.y - I was really down about it last night, but today I've decided not to care, and just busy myself in other things.

When it's just one person being a dick, you can kind of ignore it. But when it's a whole gang of guys who decide to gang up and be all 'ME, TOO, I HATE HER TOO" because there's safety in numbers, it can really get through your defenses and get you down. I just don't have the time for that personal crap.

i just feel like saying... you know what, I'm very easy to avoid. I tend to only hang out on specific threads. And no, I don't shut up, and why should I? Why do people go on messageboards, as opposed to writing on blogs? To TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. To interact. And that doesn't have to be in snappy one-liners all the time, it can be thinking in depth. I don't think "it's great" or "it sucks" is enough of an answer, about music. WHY? Why do you like it? Why do you hate it? I ask questions because I want to hear what other people have to say, and I talk - perhaps too much - for the same reason.

If I offend you SO MUCH, you know there's a guaranteed way that you never have to read what I say ever again - Alt and F4.

But whatever. There comes a point where you have to walk away, in order to preserve your own sanity. It's not worth it. It's when the internet becomes my ONLY method of communication with the outside world that the problems start. And I need to remember it's not. I have a life, even if I don't have a job.

yeah, Shimura Curves album coming out this summer! Awesome, huh? now we have to kind of reassemble a band to go with it to do promotion and stuff.

(from Montenegro:) Hooray!

I dug up that "Stronger" single, it's funy, I'd nevere played that b-side before, but having seen a promo for his album (that track included), thought I'd try it. It's nice, but exactly what I'd expected from his pic: A bit like Divine Comedy. (I didn't buy the promo, btw)

Oh wait, I stuck my head in there, and a whole bunch of people were all "argh, she took that the wrong way, noooes, come back!"

Maybe I overreacted a bit. I don't really take well to the sort of slap dash of late night internet when everyone else is drunk and I'm sober and quite tired and feeling a bit... persecuted.

Hello there.

I'm off to be a wedding photographer - for free, as our wedding gift - at the weekend. It's kind of scary, because although I can work a camera I've never tried to do that sort of photography before; the shepherding people around and all that.

But I'm cheerful, partly because a BBC producer called me yesterday and invited me to go on the show I auditioned for the other week. Now I just have to revise for it.

Even tom d might be interested in reading about Magma

Ha, I might buy that Wire! Free CD! So bored with their heavy rock fetish though, yawn...

"Ian Penman on Nick Cave"... oh, fuck off!

Ha, I thought that was the "Specialist Subjeect" !

lol! If I get through to the semifinal round, a music subject is on the cards; but no firm decisions are made until they've finished filming round 1.

Ian Penman on Nick Cave is just a tiny review of some reissues.

AWESOME!! HURRAH, CONGRATS FP OUR SPECIALIST POSTER!!!

thank you!

I am not mentioning what the music subject would be exactly, because I already know that you hate them ;)

First I have to get through round 1, though, with a historical topic.

2 mins on Ocean Colour Scene, begins....

Lol - you never know. I was expecting them to turn down my suggestion, but they seem to like the idea.

its MBV

1st question: "What has Kevin Shields been doing for the last 15 years?"

Forest Pines on the collected works of Belle and Sebastian. ;-)

Kate's knitting him a new cardigan for the semi-final.

Hahahah, that would be brilliant. Is it them, FP?

Is anyone interested in the fact that I met the nephew of the main dude from the Free Design at the weekend? I was interested, but it's rather a lame namedrop, I guess.

Somehow managed to have insomnia last night. Head hurts and am missing important tutor office hour which I need to be utilising to get my essay sorted.

KNITTING IS THE NEW CLUBBING AFTER ALL.

I have GOT to get off the internet and actually DO something with today.

Like... draw this Saint Anselm I've been commissioned to paint, dammit.

or knit!

Glad all went well, kate.

Fp, being the voluntary wedding photographer is lots of fun.

This is really, really REALLY terrible. One of the Teenagers and I are semi-goading each other into breaking the rules on that forum because we really really secretly want the admins to catch us and spank us.

But none of the admins DARE set foot in the GURL thread.

Argh. Sick again. Though I secretly suspect that this is just the same cold I've had for about a month now. Just when I think I'm over it, it's started up again - sore throat this morning and coughing up goo. Not fun.

Changing.. Designing .. adapting our mentalities
Improving our abilities for a better way of life ...

Oh noes, a Suede singles poll. I'm going to have to get AAALLLL of them out and listen to them.

we're moving... so moving... so we are a boy, we are a girl...

new generation for that one easy

Changing.. Designing .. adapting our mentalities
Improving our abilities for a better way of life ...

― Mark G, Friday, 20 March 2009 04:11 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this sounds like a strategy lecture, which I am currently in

it is 'Genetic Engineering' by OMD.

yes.

argh arlgk aiof hjb adsfh aqiuhviu nvjvc

The idiocy of people on the internet, they never fail to amaze me.

Trying to figure out if I have enough change to get the bus to Poptimism tonight. Dammit.

Thank fuck for the "back" button. This is just the best invention in the history of the internet. 99% of people are just not worth arguing with. It just validates their mindless stupidity and bigotry if you bother replying to them.

Double fucking standard all over the fucking SHOP on ILM and I resolve to be 10x as dirty in the future JUST because it so clearly threatens the boys,

Except, no, I can't actually express myself because I'll get hit with a suggest ban for daring to be anything other than toe the fucking line of what a bunch of teenage boys think is acceptable mentality. Oh wait, except THEY'RE allowed to do it, but women are not.

I really fucking HATE ILX these days, why can't I ever seem to leave?

Can anyone on the 'Cooler tell me what James Holden I should get if I was gonna investigate him further?

ILM is useless. You know, they get the posters they deserve. I've noticed - if I post something jokey, with a sexual pun and commentary on the hottness of the musicians involved, I get loads of replies. Post a completely serious RFI totally straight - NADA.

So one of my photos has just been featured on Schmap.com:

http://www.schmap.com/newyork/tours_tour3/#p=2002D03&i=2002D03_24.jpg

James Holden? It would seem to be "stick to Gavin & Tracy", thus far.

The comedy sketch show is well performed, but not greatly hilarious.

The "vampire Lesbian" film seems to be regarded as poor, universally.

I'm beginning (hah! I mean always thought) Ruth is the genius in the writing team.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

He's talking about James Corden, who is an utter fucking tosser.

...but omnipresent.

James Holden is (apparently) minimal techno. Which is, like, the DRONEROCK of dance music, therefore - I freaking love it. And now Matt DC and Tim F are awake, they have told me what to go and look for.

Sorry, sorry, I just woke up.

I thought it was a bit unlikely.

lol

Wait - so the Brits are on now? About bloody time!

Joan Jett "I Wanna Be Your Dog" badasss

Is Kate awake yet? Sorry.

Wha? I've been awake for hours! I woke up at, like, 7.30 this morning! What are you doing still up?

clearly he's been drinking!

OK, you know me, right? Quite knowledgeable about the ol' music and that.

Friday, bought a second-hand copy of Physical Grafitti. First time I ever owned a Led Zep album. Actually it's not bad. So far, played CD1, and it's sort of alright, kind of washed over us really, but the tracks "Trampled" and "Kashmir" stand out. Mainly because TUF was featured on a pop quiz TV show I was on.

Still can't get why they gained so much love. I guess you had to be there.

the rover is the best track

i wasnt there but i love zep.

Is that CD2?

it's track 2!!

I think I might seriously be entering my Minimal Techno phase. I mean, I had Steve Reich records out at the weekend, but this - THIS is the bizniz.

have you heard Ricardo Villabos - Alcachofa? or Alexander Kowalski - Response?
From a few years back but ACE

that's Ricardo Villalobos of course

I need to park this idea here and come back to it when I am less busy later in the week. Folk song top trumps.

Did a tip-run (grasas and bush cuttings), and now have heard all of PhysGraf.

CD2 is mostly dull. I did like Boogie w/ Stu, I do approve of anything that got Ian Stewart more money, and has anyone sampled that beat? as opposed to the Moby Dick one... Might do it myself.

Anyway, went back to CD1 to check out The Rover. Nah. Sounds like Placebo.

I do like "In my time of dying", when it gets going especially, but the whole track, really.

I know, to you thin is like some woodsman reviewing Sgt Pepper, but as I say, it's all newish to me.

I'm 48 btw.

Folk song top trumps.

Categories!

Drunken-ness:
Awa wi the Faeiries:
Mandolin:
Nick Drakeometer reading:
FingerInEar:

Hmm, more?

Don't forget the EVERYBODY DIES BODY COUNT top trump.

yep.

7) earthie rumpie

Sorry, I'm too busy googling for pictures now that I've just been informed by Tim F that James Holden is 1) a mathematician and 2) TOTALLY HOTT in a most Kate-friendly of ways

I am slipping. I didn't actually notice on Saturday night. I just thought he looked exactly like Ian Kontakte when they sloped off to smoke.

I mean, yeah, my heart totally belongs to E.R.O.L. at the moment, but erm, yeah. Pretty. Want. (Will not start a thread entitled "so what do minimal techno boys look like, then?" because I know that the majority of them actually look like Daren.)

I'm too busy gannen roon explaining my posts!

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH I JUST GOT MINE POST!!!

GIANT DVD OF DELIGHTS FROM ELVIS TELECOM, HURRAH

Kate, I am going to laugh so hard when you start getting excited by basic channel and phylps track.

What?

It's OK, I'm safely back on Turkish prog and all is right with the world again.

What, you expect me to stop looking through hungarian prog to watch that?

Oh, alright...

No, sorry, I don't really like that. It's kind of.. too aggressive and clangy.

Hungarian Prog?

I got a couple of Leb-I-Sol albums...

oh, and a Smak single.

Happy Finding Ada Day!

Time for a thread about women in technology, methinks?

(Oh shit. I think we've broken the Erol forum. In fact, I think we've broken his whole site! Dammit, they gave us our own BTWS sub-board and now we've broken it with our talk about psychedelic speedoes. oh noes! If it ever comes back, I'm so gonna be banned.)

I started this ILM Census: Are You Male or Female?

Lets see who can get the closest guess to the actual results

I say
78 Male
25 female

I intend lying in that poll

youre voting male?

OK, I'm feeling really guilty now. We appear to have broken his entire site. SHIT.

Either that, or he dropped his iPhone in the pool he was getting cool in, and it'll all be OK again soon... I hope?

Aw, phew, no. It's back.

WHY DO I HAVE NO MONEY!??!?! I SOOOOOO WANT TO GO TO THIS...

http://www.roundhouse.org.uk/whats-on/productions/bbc-radiophonic-workshop-2979

It's £20 I just don't have. :-(

Well, it's in May, so there's time...

It'll sell out before then. :-(

One always hates in other people what one fears most in oneself.

It's good to remember that once in a while when you feel particularly hated on.

Nothing like logging on to ILX first thing in the morning to make you hate your life.

Job interview tomorrow. I dreamed last night that I got given the job. If I get it, I'm gonna ask my work IP to be permabanned.

You still waiting on that one you had 'issues' about, before?

Yes. That one. I am so desperate at this point that I will take it if offered.

I'm having a bad day today, and I really need to get some work done IRL. Can you please shout at me if you see me mucking about on the internet today?

This is really not the place for this.

noprob.

Mark you haven't started a thread on this http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_7961000/7961224.stm

I'm not touching that.

Yat-ta ta ta tata ta ta....

Geir might have lost it

Google Maps mashup in 5... 4... 3...

This may or not be of interest to emil.y
SUN 29th MAR '09
Doors : 7.30pm - 11pm
REIGNS / John The Savage / Jacob's Stories
The Hanbury Club, Kemptown, Brighton
Tickets ￡6 adv Available from Rounder Records 01273 325440 / Resident 01273 606312 / Edgeworld (01273) 628262
Wegottickets http://www.wegottickets.com/event/43100

Operatives A & B (otherwise known as Tim and Roo Farthing) have been creating intense conceptual artefacts under the name REIGNS since 2002. With previous albums having concerned such matters as a bottomless hole in the Somerset Downs and a forgotten flooded village, third offering "The House On The Causeway" (Monotreme Records) continues this in intruigingly dark - and let's face it, sometimes disturbing - vein with a story of finding a fog bound and deserted, yet fully maintained, house on (you guessed) a causeway.
"Reigns deal in epic, daydream-dizzy atmospherics, and spoken word lyrics that send chills down the spine. A treat of dirty surrealism and sumptuous coastal eccentricity." [Plan B]
"Another masterpiece of eerie ambience and ghostly electronics… this record's underlying majesty shines brilliantly." 8/10. [Rock Sound]
"A real treasure chest, a glowing pastoral delight, and an album you must not miss out on…one of the vital must hear releases of 2006." (Organ)
JOHN THE SAVAGE play cinematic instrumental music - sometimes as brutal as Thurston Moore doing one of his avant rock / free jazz freak-outs, sometimes as impressionistic as Claude Debussy. The overall sound sits somewhere between contemporary jazz, live electronica, modern classical music, and post rock. Hosts of Brightons infamous Club Savage !!
JACOB'S STORIES is undoubtedly one of the best Brighton based acts that PIO has had the pleasure of putting on over the last five years - one man and his consumate command of haunting, ethereal glitchtronica and some dark (occasionally darkly humourous) lyrical content.

Argh, that would be of interest to me, but I'm in Nottingham until Monday. Balls.

damn. theres other gigs too on the mail out. Ive no idea why im getting emails for brighton gigs though.

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Tues. 31st March 8pm - 11pm
DIRTY PROJECTORS + POLAR BEAR + LUCKY DRAGONS
Komedia, Gardner St, Brighton TEL: 01273 647101
Tickets: £10adv. / £12 on the door: Komedia Box Office 01273 647100 / Rounder 01273 325440 / Resident 01273 606312 / Ticketweb www.ticketweb.co.uk
+14s welcome, under 16s to be accompanied
Dirty Projector's recordings range from Prince-style one-man-recording-studio productions to arranged orchestrations, to basic voice over nylon-string guitar, to an amalgamation of all these tactics. Throughout, Dave Longstreth's aggressively melodic vocals provide a consistent identity for otherwise widely divergent approaches to pop music. Their last album, Rise Above, was an attempt to re-imagine the lyrics of Black Flag's Damaged album from memory over complex music that sees influence from the contemporary African blues and funk of such artists as Ali Farka Touré and Konono No. 1. In a word, genius.
Polar Bear have earned a reputation as one of the most creative acts on the UK music scene. Their raw-boned, dramatic music mixes jazz with an electronic soundscape and a punk sensibility, underpinned by break-beat and rock rhythms. Combined with their compelling contrapuntal melodies and driving energy it's a sound that has already won them critical acclaim and a devoted audience.
Drummer and band leader Sebastian Rochford won the 'Rising Star' award at the 2004 BBC Jazz Awards. He also leads Fulborn Teversham and is a member of Acoustic Ladyland and alt-rock band Menlo Park. He is also a member of the F-IRE collective.
www.myspace.com/dirtyprojectors
www.myspace.com/sebastianrochford
www.myspace.com/luckydragons

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Tues 19th May '09
Doors : 7.30 - 10.30pm
KIMYA DAWSON & FRIENDS
Angelo Spencer + Karl Blau
Komedia, Gardener Street
Tickets: ￡11 adv. / ￡13 on the door. Available from Komedia Box Office: 01273 647100 / Rounder Records: 01273 325440 / Resident: 01273 606312 / WeGotTickets http://www.wegottickets.com/event/44837

Her recent Grammy award for the soundtrack to JUNO, has propelled NYC's antifolk luminary KIMYA DAWSON to an unlikely but hard-earned place alongside some of the more starry names in the music "industry". From early days in the seminal outfit MOLDY PEACHES through to current kids inspired offerings such as her latest album "ALPHABUTT", the irony of Kimya's defiantly anti-mainstream ethic has always been the irresistable approachability of her music. Humourous, observational, socially aware but optimistically uplifting, and never less than hugely entertaining !
Tonight will also see performances from ANGELO SPENCER, a one man dynamo of drums, guitars and powerfully punky blasts of lo-fi, plus the eclectic future-jazz of KARL BLAU (K Records, Laura Veirs, The Bundles...).

http://www.kimyadawson.com / www.myspace.com/kimyadawson
www.myspace.com/angelospencer / reverbnation.com/angelospencer
kelplunacy.com / www.myspace.com/karlblau

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******NOTE NEW DATE !! ORIGINAL TICKETS STILL VALID*********
Mon 25th MAY '09
Doors : 8.00pm - 11pm
DEERHUNTER / Sian Alice Group/ + Support
Concorde 2, Madeira Drive, Brighton
Tickets ￡8 adv / ￡9 door Available from Rounder Records 01273 325440 / Resident 01273 606312 / Edgeworld (01273) 628262
Wegottickets http://www.wegottickets.com/event/39459

DEERHUNTER's third album "Microcastles" is a Noughties update on the classic underground fuzzrock sound , pioneered by the likes of Sonic Youth and Mercury Rev, and embellished with the occasional brain searing pop hook.
"Deerhunter have indeed created a masterpiece." 9.1/10 Lost At Sea
"the album justifies our expectations for greatness." 9/10 DiS
"Another winner full of eerie beauty and restraint." Billboard
"a bold, imaginative and thoroughly entertaining pop album" 4.74/5 IndieDucky.com
"This is seriously frazzled Americana in the best sense." BBC Online
"Wonders never cease. And in the spindly sweet hands of Bradford Cox they're never likely to either" FACT Magazine

http://www.myspace.com/deerhunter
deerhuntertheband.blogspot.com

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Sat 13th JUNE '09
Doors : 8.00pm - 11pm
THE LOVELY EGGS / Foxes ! / + Supports
West Hill Community Hall, Compton Avenue, Brighton BN1 3PS
Tickets ￡4.50 adv Available from Rounder Records 01273 325440 / Resident 01273 606312 / Edgeworld (01273) 628262 / WeGotTickets http://www.wegottickets.com/event/44943

The Lovely Eggs comprise of Holly, David, and a basketful of knockout DIY popsongs. There's a joyfully anorak element to it all, with songs about collecting snails and liking birds, while recent debut single ("Have You Ever Heard A Digital Accordian") picked up XFM Single Of The Week with a Radio 1 Huw Stevens session following closely after...
On Foxes! myspace page there are loads of brilliant quotes, rightly giving the kudos that their classic C86 indiepop exuberance deserves. However, the one that sticks out at me (if you'll excuse the phrase) is :
"You Rule !!" Apples In Stereo
And there is truly no higher praise than that.

www.myspace.com/thelovelyeggs
http://www.foxesfoxesfoxes.com
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Tue 16th JUNE '09
Doors : 9.00pm (9.30 start)A HAWK AND A HACKSAW / + SupportDuke of Yorks Picturehouse, Preston Circus, Brighton, BN1 4NA
Tickets £11 adv Available from Duke Of Yorks Picturehouse Box Office 0871 704 2056
Rounder Records 01273 325440 / Resident 01273 606312 /Ticketweb: www.ticketweb.co.uk <http://www.ticketweb.co.uk>;
About AHAAH ? "...a rooster, a gaggle of geese, bits of tin, two rivers (one in France, one
in New Mexico), a violinist who began playing at age three, a small cat who has three littlekittens, an assortment of gongs, wooden percussive implements, and portable drums, the
occasional jazz musician, or tuba player, an oud master, three accordions, a romanian brassband, 4 hungarian cosmopolitans and a stroh violin. there are three records, and an ep."
It'll be four years to the month since PIO first promoted an AHAAH show in Brighton, and it's a genuine privilege to have them back (great venue for it too !!)

http://www.ahawkandahacksaw.co.uk
www.myspace.com/ahawkandahacksaw

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Guest gigs !! "Get in there..."

Aussie legends THE HARD-ONS play The Prince Albert pub on Mon 30th March. Blimey ! Punker Bunker, thank you for existing.
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SAT 4TH APRIL @ THE REDROASTER, St. James Street
MORTIS TOBIAS
Lawry from Birdengine making a fearful racket with the lights out.
SONGS OF OUR LAP
2 Piece doom folk outfit.
ANIMAL MAGIC TRICKS
Frances Donnelly's delicious tiny songs gathered from broken toys and looped who knows what.
This event is Entry By Donation. More details check out:
http://www.myspace.com/mortistobias
http://www.myspace.com/songsofourlap
http://www.myspace.com/animalmagictricks
http://www.myspace.com/woodlandrecordings
http://www.myspace.com/typemusicpr

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There is a "Happening" planned in Lewes. It's called Lewes Psychedelic Festival, and does it look gooood. Sat 4th April, Lewes All Saints Church, 7.00pm - Midnight ￡7 adv / ￡10 door (get 'em up front !!). Bands confirmed so far include :
Yellow Moon Band / Notorious Hi-Fi Killers / The Time & Space Machine + more, DJs, lightshows, general groovy vibes etc. Dig out yr paisleys and afghans !!

That last one might interest Kate funnily enough

So how did the int go?

I don't understand. Where are the Britishers. I've been up all night, not intentionally waiting for them, but after about 4 AM I get antsy about their presence. Where are they? It's 6 AM here, so it must be...1:04 PM there. Must be watching telly, all of them.

its saturday, a lot only post from work.

or everyones listening to joy division

LOL Everyone's listening to Joy Division! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

i blame bimble

I am not listening to Joy Division. I am listening to The Boswell Sisters.

Lovely singing, but some of the lyrics are...er....of their time, shall we say.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/content/images/2007/07/30/bread_1_396x222.jpg

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Pashmina ^

...

Just wanted to say - I GOT THE JOB. Woot. It's been 15 months since I was last permanently employed.

But, basically, this means I'm going to have to give up ILX, as I'd really like the keep the job.

Take care, everybody. x

congrats on getting the job!

Congrats! Make sure you pop on ilx after working hours!

Afternoon all. How is everyone?

all good.

taking the groutmobile to reading festival?

I dunno yet, its all down to which bands appeal on what days, most likely Saturday...

Ahh just a day trip? I think the school run in the groutmobile must be the most fun thing ever.

Copule years ago, we won VIP (minor) tickets, which meant we had easy access to backstage facilities (Beer/food tent, loos, and dry land), which was nice. Kids got to play with kids of minor indie stars and/or industry workers, nearly collided with Devandra Benhard, and came and went reasonably easily (other people had to wander around the extremity of the site to get in).

Kinda spoiled us, but hey.

I think this year would be Amber's last year to qualify as 'free/child with adult'

Awesome. But I'm sure alice & amber will enjoy the whole festival experience anyway.

Is Amber the eldest? I can never remember which is which.

Yeah, Eleven now.

They both enjoyed last time, but had to be carried a lot as they were small and easily stood on.

Now, they should be fine.

Soon they will be moshing down the front with their pals.

and posting on ilx!

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Kings Of Leon will headline this year's Reading and Leeds festivals

Kings Of Leon and Radiohead will headline this year's Reading and Leeds Festivals.

As previously reported they will join Arctic Monkeys in completing the trio of bands closing the event's main stage at both sites.

The three day bash takes place between 28-30 August at Reading's Richfield Avenue and Leeds' Braham park.

Other acts confirmed include Maximo Park, Bloc Party, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Vampire Weekend and Kaiser Chiefs.

The Prodigy and Ian Brown will also be on the main stage at both sites.

Gossip, Glasvegas, Florence and the Machine and White Lies feature on the Radio 1/NME stage.

http://www.teenageengineering.com/images/products/op-1/the_big_op1.jpg

This looks entertaining.

"Teenage Engineering" !

Did the Grout family have fun on today's school run?

Nope.

Not my turn today.

So you had no fun today either then?

Well, the "Tomorrow" CD (Keith West, Mark Wirtz) will do...

What are your kids fave bands these days?

Alice, Girls Aloud
Amber, hmm, doesn't have one I think. Probably the same,.

What about you and the wife?

Wife: Bloc Party.

Me: god, I dunno. Current bands? pssh..... Who would I dash out and get as soon as it's out? god...

old or current (or both?)

Congratulations Kate!

Ed, what happened to that doc you were gonna fwd?

It got really busy, then I got offered an internship saving the world with a startup company.

Oh cool -- although you really ought to have said so -- mail me with proper details!

Have a nice Easter to all of you who still read the cooler.

Thanks - may you all receive the vast quantities of quality chocolate that you desire

God, I miss the UK-ers right now. I can't wait until 4AM to see you guys! What happened to Kate, anyway? Hell with it all, I'll go to sleep drunk without even as much as a word from you guys. :(

Also, now, Colonel Poo, that dude is cool as shit. I've been trying to figure out a way to do a whole thread on him cause all of ILX needs to know how cool that dude is. He hardly ever even posts here! So modest! But he recently turned me on to this amazing Brit post-punk band called Inner City Unit from the early 80's that has a member of Hawkwind in it (though they don't sound like Hawkwind).

He married an American lady. I'm not sure where he lives now. Somewhere in England, I think.

colonel poo post in this thread

Ha, the first gig I ever did was supporting Inner City Unit! They were great.

Hi Norm! Happy Easter! Hows it going?

Happy Easter everyone else too.

and youse.

Hai guys. Bimble is here. Drunk as usual. It's 2 AM. Pretty early I'd reckon. I'm on vacation for the next couple of days, so no reason to be sober. Have a ticket to see Paul Weller Wednesday night.

Whoops! I mean "on holiday".

O HAI GUYS

I have some gossip which is too funny not to share.

Went to School of Seven Bells / Telepathe tonight (aaah, it was so wonderful) and of course Nat Sonic Cathedral was DJing, so I went over to say hello to me, and we had a bit of a chat (he tried to make me DJ for a bit but I couldn't work out his numbering system for his CDJs)

And then he's all "OK, Kate... don't kill me, but...." and proceeds to tell me that he's successfully pitched and written... for the bloody NME... the NME's Guide To Krautrock. I was just... o_0 He was trying to tell me "look, no, I did actually write it properly... if it gets cut to shreds, blame the editor!" I'm really, really scared. I mean, Nat knows his Krautrock. But in order to shoehorn it into the NME, he had to talk about the Horrors and somehow squeeze Oasis and Kasabian (on account of Brand NEU!) into the first paragraph. I quake to see what he picked as his "10 Must Hear Krautrock" would be.

He says he actually managed to get the words "harmonic structure" into the article, but they'll probably be cut by a sub for having too many syllables.

Aaaaaahhhhhh... the hilarity. He'll probably kill me for posting this here, but hey. You heard it here first. At least you know who to blame when it comes out!

Oh nononononoooo. Did he really, honestly, truly have to mention the Horrors and Oasis and Kasabian? Fucking hell.

A HOI K8

I did a slight jump upon seeing this thread title pop up, thought "what have I done now to merit summoning?". Coincidences are our friends. Lol Kasabian, DO YOU KNOW after whom they were named? I find it to be in somewhat bad taste actually; the year is 1969.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5e/Linda.JPG/225px-Linda.JPG

http://www.lupec.org/

So I don't forget

My sister's husband updated his Facebook thusly: 'Home from work. Life is good if your still working, Because there is many fellow americans that are not.' AAAARGH.

If you are going to chose one of the Manson family, Linda Kasabian's not a bad choice (witness for the prosecution, the one to express regret, didn't actually kill anyone etc).

It's years since I read the Vince Bugliosi book, but there's a great courtroom exchange which I've looked up:

" Hughes (defending lawyer) ended his cross-examination very effectively....

Hughes: And in the last year you had the following major delusions: you believed that Charles Manson was Jesus Christ. Is that right?

Linda K: Yes

Hughes: And you believed yourself to be a witch?

Linda K: Yes.

Hughes: Your Honour, I have no following questions at this time."

So, would it be fair to say the "Manson" book would be for the US folks the book that many people who might not otherwise have read, *have* read, to the UK's "Profession of Violence" Krays book?

to be fair, "Reason is Treason" Kasabian is one of the more successful 'interpretations' of the Neu! Motorik beat.

(oh, they've gone)

(X-post) Only if you feel the need to pigeon-hole... Isn't the Profession of Violence a bit of a 70s icon - not sure many younger people will know it? Whereas the Bugliosi book maintains a reasonable contemporary profile I think.

You seem very concerned with being 'fair' in your two posts btw.

Well, I'm willing to embrace a contrasting view.

That's why I'm here, I guess.

So, should I go and see Yes (with support from Asia)?

I thought Asia was just Yes minus Jon Anderson, something like that

Next Question: Michael Rother's solo stuff it seems a little too happy, to the point of being smug maybe, y/n?

Dunno, I get a lot of happy from Neu!, so hey.

Flammende Herzen is aces with many Neu!-ish guitar tones, but then it was the first, I think. I mean it's pretty happy, maybe even burstingly excitable, but I would say the good bits of Neu! were too. Haven't heard much of the later stuff; a couple which didn't really sink in, but then I was in a pretty music-lazy patch when I heard them.

I find it hard remembering to pronounce his name as German.

Ha ha Asia, wow, I had forgotten about them. Kind of shoved in a box in a corner of the back of my mind with Journey and other stuff I loved when I was, like, 13. I liked the cover art, OK?

How are y'all?

Ed, I just wanted to say that that book you gave me for my lasty last birthday - A Certain Ambiguity - it's freaking AMAZING.

Also, erm, I never really had much time for Michael Rother solo but I never really listened much beyond Harmonia. Lack of availability rather than lack of interest.

Anyone else going to Chrome Hoof's Ritual For The Elephant And Castle next week? I'm kinda scared. And also, I'm being taken to see Throbbing Gristle at Heaven in a few weeks - REALLY scared of that. (is Genesis a man or a woman or a manwoman at the moment? Can't keep up.)

Anything else? Oh yes, it wouldn't be a KatePost (tm) without an unnecssarily picture of a lust object, so, uh...

http://www.simpleproductions.co.uk/images/dj_headliner_erol_alkan.jpg
There you go.

Kate! Have missed you. Not sure if I've actually heard much of Michael Rother's solo stuff, though I did very recently buy (ex-bandmate) Wolfgang Reichman's Wunderbar, which is pretty good electronics. Not sure if I'd put it on over Harmonia very often, however, but I'd recommend checking it out.

Sorry, Reichmann with two Ns.

Hi all, was in glasgow today. Bought the Sunn 0))) cd and the deluxe Manic Street Preachers cd/demos/book thing. Havent bought the last 2 Manics albums even though the last one was actually decent. I like the new one though and I'm a sucker for these ltd ed book and it has demos.

I've been listening to Sterntaler and Katzenmusik and I feel slightly manipulated, kind of a low end version of the bilious hatred that turn of the century commercial trance gives me.

I've been going through a lot of music since I started working in my storeroom. I highly Recommend Maddy Prior and Tim Hart - Summer Solstice and Kate, tell carruthers from me I liked his tune he did on the split EP with Flowers of Hell. Not decided on the flowers of hell album so far.

Glad you like the book kate, in similar tardiness I have finally discovered the greatness of Beyond The Wizzards Sleeve, particularly the Electric Prunes and Neu ones.

Hi Kate!

I guess I don't mind stuff pushing all the same buttons as '99 trancebag as long as it ISN'T. I mean if someone was doing that 2+ decades earlier that's fine by me because they got there first. Or something? That said I haven't heard Sterntaler and can't remember anything about Katzenmusik except that I wanted to like it because of the name but I ended up not having any feelings about it at all.

Further reasons why I can never work in a proper programming job with coding teams, QA, version control and all the rest: my coworker is going through a perl script I wrote making improvements and then telling me at great length about how much better she's made it and I'm feeling a bit like a six-year-old whose mummy says the other girl's picture was nicer.

BTWS = GRATEness indeed. I'm quite happy that my last ever article in Plan B is an interview with them.

Bah, I still don't like the Manics, even with OL&M raving on about the new album and how much he loves it (STFU you sad old Suede fan, they remain rub)

I am mostly listening to lots of electronica - The Field and Moderat and weirdly enough, digging out my old Orbital albums. I keep forgetting that The Brown Album is one of my favourite albums of all time though I'd probably never admit that. Revisiting a lot of Sabres of Paradise, too.

I think it's just suddenly swept the whole Nu-Gaze scene, like... oh shit, lots of NME-friendly Nu-Gaze is actually WANK. SO, erm, where can we get our chewy textures from? Ah, yes. Electronica. (Still can't really love Ulrich Schnauss even if he was friendly at the Telescopes and every time I see him now I feel REEEAAALLLY guilty about sodomising him with OL&M in print)

Carruthers isn't around any more! He's moved permanently to Berlin - apparently he loves it, he's really happy (yes! Carruthers! happY!) and has a job and a flat and a doctor and a dentist and a BANK ACCOUNT. I want to go and visit.

Emil.y I want to come down to Brighton again and visit some time, if you don't mind! (I very nearly came down for Erol and Brodinsky (was it Brodinsky? I cannot keep all those French boys straight in my head.) but decided that it was a bad idea.

I kind of feel the opposite of you, APS - I feel like I'm constantly correcting errors and sending them back to the developer, he fixes them - then on the next upgrade, the bloody errors are back. ARGH.

You are welcome in Brighton any time at all, definitely. Although you do realise neither me nor the mister can stop saying "Mon dieu! My balls!" at inappropriate occasions?

MON DIEU!!! MAH BALLS!!!!! ah ha hah, I had totally forgotten about that. We should find a fun gig that is happening at a weekend some time and plan a party weekend of pizza and lambrini at the seaside!

I'm trying to crowdsource another bootleg t-shirt but it's like pulling teeth trying to get people to pay for it.

everyone keeps going "Oh! I love it, I want one - especially since I missed the BTWS one!" but when it comes to ponying up... nah. Nowhere to be found. Want to scream.

Might refund everyone their money and just buy one of the official ones - though dammit, I'm gonna order a size up as the BTWS that E gave me shrank to tiny in the wash. Maybe middle aged men can get away with wearing their t-shirts that tight, but I can't. :-(

Why is america so big? Why can't I get anywhere without going via Atlanta?

It is all part of a giant conspiracy to get you to drink coca cola. In Atlanta, *everything* is made from coke.

Presumably Delta fuels its planes on the stuff.

In other Kola news Pepsi are touting Pepsi natural (made from real Kola nuts and is quite nice) and Pepsi old school, the same old pepsi junk but made with sugar.

I wish I were in Leeds today. Sigh.

I didn't realise - my boss totally would have helped me out by organising a business trip up there for me. (our developer is based in Leeds.)

i knew you would miss ILX. Take back all you said!

I don't take back any of it.

It still is like the abusive lover that I can't ever quite leave.

But it's still a better resource than 90% of the other music forums out there.

I've wasted 3 months on anothe forum to basically end in a huff wanting to shout DO YOU EVER LISTEN TO ANY MUSIC THAT *ISN'T* FUCKING ELECTRO?!?!!? DO YOU KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE WIDE WORLD OUT THERE? WHY ARE YOU SO UNADVENTUROUS?!?!? GET OUT OF YOUR BORING FUCKING CLUBS AND INTO THE SUNSHINE OCCASIONALLY!!!!!!

So, uh. What up?

oh so you wasted 3 months on ILM?

Did you get the new Sunn 0))) cd Kate? Tis one of the best things they've ever done.

No one on ILM listens to Electro any more! And haven't done so since about 2004. It's all nu-Balearic beardo disco now, don't you know?

Someone please find me a reason to go to Green Man because I'm clutching at straws here.

who is playing?

Beyond The Wizards Sleeve.

And a bunch of boring beardy bands I don't care about.

I'd much rather go to the Loop Festival, really.

Greenman is in a very pretty part of wales.

Megaliths, there are probably megaliths.

I could see pretty parts of Wales and megaliths without being forced to listen to Jarcis "Beardy" Cocker and deal with camping in tents, thank you. :-P

Make Emsk stop trying to get me to get a bicycle! i need to buy a washing machine and an iPhone first!

I find those "Further Complications" poster ads quite disconcerting.

New iPhones hitting next week, btw. Including, it is rumoured a cheap model. (Cheap means less memory, still 4GB).

also ^LOL you with an iPhone.

I have wanted an iPhone since they came out. Lusted after one, even. Just could not afford. Yes, I am waiting for the next generation before I invest in one. I just want to be able to tweet from the street.

Be sure to Loop!

Why have I never heard jethro tull before?

http://www.migrainesinfo.com.au/migraines_pics/migraine_preventative_medications.jpg

Ed! Even I draw the line at Jethro Tull.

NO! NO! BAD PROG!!!! HIPPIE SHIT!!! PUT IT DOWN!!!!

(And this from a woman who bought her second Steve Hillage album this past weekend.)

I am trying to get hyped up to DJ tonight. And it's just too bloody hot. Does 93 Feet East have air conditioning?

Hold on, even I think the Tull had some good songs!

heck, even Coldplay...

I have suddenly realised why I know this song... it's Lindstrom.

I have got to stop listening to dance music. I'm starting to actually recognise the songs!

hmm, so should I send you the south africa prog with lines about elephants?

Prog about elephants?

Noooo I do not want to be parted from my Ellen Allien and my Jo Jo De Freq right now. nononononooo.

Jeez, did I miss another pledge drive?!?!? DAMN.

Did anyone happen to see London Lite last night? I am now officially a "superstar DJ". No idea how that happened, a ha ha ha. But the club was well fun. What a night!

I can die happy now I've been in the Metro and the London Lite!¬

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3610/3590032167_60139f00c0_o.jpg

Hahahaha, I saw this on the way to a party and was gonna text, but left phone at home like a stupid. GREAT photo.

Ok, I'm sorry but the concept of DJ sets and knitting lessons just made me laugh. East london is more like Brighton every day.

I think you'll find it the other way round - that East London sets the trends that Brighton hipsters end up following. ;-)

Anyway, it was really great fun. Kind of like an extended pyjama party with everyone trying on each others clothes. It's fun to play music in a setting where you don't *have* to make people dance. (There was no knitting, though, at this night. Just clothes swapping - and hey, recycling is something that I'm happy to encourage.)

But now I'm in the uncomfortable position of having a political argument about gender politics with a lust object. Oh, the layers of irony.

haha awesome
xpost obviously

also kate why didnt you tell me that Americans hated the C-Word.

they call them republicans.

Why am I responsible for the lingistic differences between Americans and the British?

because i said so ;)

I think this job is really starting to get to me.

Having a 2-hour meeting in a boardroom full of pictures of silicone boobs and liposuctioned thighs just makes me uncomfortable and unhappy and rubs my face in/reminds me of the political compromises I have had to make with myself to work here.

It's one thing when it's just numbers on a screen, quite another when it's mutilated bodies in ads in front of me.

(If you had a pools going, that was 2 months, 3 days.)

I had forgotten where you worked. That does suck. Not much I can say but think of the paycheck.

that's a shame, Kate, speshly when you were so +ve about it when we met.

I am working from home today and so have complete control about what I look at.

The only frustrating thing about working from home is remembering that I am not allowed to do so all the time. This time it was on a/c of a visit from the washing machine repair man. Nothing serious - just a build up of encrusted powder under the powder tray and too high water pressure causing slight leakage. Covered by the warranty too. Good.

There are many parts of my job I love.

It is a nice place to work. My boss is cool, my colleagues are friendly and understanding, everyone is friendly and approachable, I can Twitter all day long, listen to music, wear what I want, they're flexible about being a bit late if the bus is rubbish. In many ways, it's a great place for me to work.

But I cannot deal with it, when I'm confronted with those mutilated women. It makes me feel sick.

Its not great, cf. my vast experience with xtian TV stations, being asked to pray is one thing, you can politely decline, but being bombarded with poisonous preaching about evolution and "morality" is another entirely. Its the rough with the smooth. I'm really enjoying my summer job, aside from the fact that my office is a windowless (but well ventilated) storeroom wher eI can only keep half the lights on as the ones directly above my desk buzz something fierce.

On a completely different subject, I fixed the Jacquard device on the knitting machine the other week and I have been experimenting with some scandinavian and fairisle patterns I should scan in and send, (Also make up some garments).

You need to come back to London and be the only boy in the Craft Guerrilla collective. ;-)

I would like that. Is should scan in some of my patterns. What we really need is a fine gauge machine because we want to do wool bike jerseys. these dont seem to come up second hand very often unfortunately.

Ed, wool bike jerseys are piled up in the 'please, take them awaaaaaaaay' section of all the vintage clothing stores in Minneapolis and also a big feature of Pop Boutique. Which is sod-all good in Pittsburgh but try tattersvintageclothing.com run by my friend Marc; they will deliver if you ask nicely.

So it looks like my parents are finally - nearly 20 years after separating - getting divorced.

My brother is handling the financial negotiations.

Adult children of divorce, how do you deal?

(I'm already making plans to go to Istanbul for Christmas so I don't have to deal with them again.)

I was a child when they separated and adult when they divorced. Best thing I learnt, after much trial and error, don't get involved. I'd advise your brother not to either.

Also, don't be away too much over xmas as I shall hopefully be returning for a bit.

WHY WON'T POP STARS LEAVE ME ALONE!?!??!?!??

Why does this shit always happen to me? No matter how I try to distance myself from my crushes, it ends up getting all entangled.

Been having a row with one BTWS since the wee hours of this morning, finish the last email and hit send to find the OTHER one in my inbox about something completely different.

I need to get a giant pop star broom to go OUT!!! OUT!! with. You don't stalk me. I stalk YOU. Can we get this the right way round, please?

Adult children of divorce, how do you deal?

(I'm already making plans to go to Istanbul for Christmas so I don't have to deal with them again.)

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Blimey, as one of those my advice is unfortunately unhelpful, probably.

1) Take each situation as it comes
2) When mine did, it was a bolt from the blue. (18 years ago, some time between my 30th on 9th March, and my sisters on 25th). So I'm assuming the 'emotional' side of it is pretty much sorted, right? It started as 'don't take sides, be fair to both' but ended up Dad vanishing from sight, and 5 years of being a 'shoulder to cry on' for mum, and actually being prevented from expressing any trauma I might have been going through. Anyroad, as I say, hopefully that side of it is lessened.
3) Um, I dunno. What specifically? (email if you want to, obv)

Hm, well, I was too young to remember my parents getting divorced, but if they separated that long ago, will it really make a difference emotionally? I'd say that if you have the emotional side already sorted, then all you need to do is stay out of everything else. Be there for them, but don't be *too* there. Don't take sides, recommend professionals for anything that seems fought over, remember that everyone involved (them, yourself, your siblings) is an adult. If your brother is handling things, then maybe remember to check in on how he's doing, as it may well turn out to be more stressful than he'd imagined. But don't feel guilty about buggering off to places for the holiday season on your own, as it is not your responsibility at all. Probably drunk advice, but re-reading it it still all seems sound.

Kate: at this point, your parents have been separated longer than they were 'together' as such. I hope, bar a little bit of shouting and cash wrangling, they'll realise that and just concentrate on getting the paperwork done.

At this point, I'm much more upset over this fight that I'm having with Erol. It's just like... I'm so sick of having intentions applied to my words that either aren't valid or don't exist. It's always the same complaint, isn't it? If you have an opinion and you are not afraid to express it, then you're "shrill" or "aggressive" or - this is a new one "violent in design."

Why am I perceived as such a hateful person?

Oh, and I missed it yesterday, but happy anniversary, Emil.y

Overheard a woman as I was crossing the road to go to John Lewis: "I was literally shaking with anger..."

I tend to vibrate rather than shake.

I tend to cry when I get really, really angry. Which actually kind of upsets me, because then I appear weak rather than enraged.

Anyone still bother with the cookie group?

Well, it's a good resource for making requests and getting rare/unfindable stuff quickly.

But now that I've got a job and an income, I tend to buy new records that I'm interested in.

I just tried to post there, but with the wrong email addy. I need to reactivate my main email.

Yeah, occasionally post stuff there (I mean one a year, but hey if we all did...)

Oh, is the Brand N*u album all done? Might tidy up/off.

Bimble does little else!

noone replies to bimble though

:(

apart from me

I dont think I ever post anything people want judging by the lack of responses to my post.
Maybe i should post neil young or belle & sebastian albums

My day got swallowed by pointless meetings.

I'm kind of interested to hear Stuart Murdoch's "Girl Groups" album, but not enough to, well, actually but it.

I seem to have lost the ability to sleep lately. Also, christ, the restaurant next door has the loudest freaking appliance in the world (I'd say it was a fridge, but no fridge could be that loud) right next to my head.)

:-(

How to reply to emails where one of them starts in on the other?

Or just not to reply?

I've heard it from my mum for 17 years, and I think she's finally through it. But it's like my dad just put all of his emotions on hold for that time (mainly because he had a mistress) and now the divorce is happening, I fear it will all come out from HIM now and I just don't want to hear it.

My parents engaged in heavy sniping when I was a teenager and their divorce was actually in progress. My parents are/were both extremely funny when they bring the scathing, so self-discipline was difficult. Hard not to fall over with some of the stuff they said about one another. The best thing you can do is: when one of them kicks off with complaints, just LOL and say something on the lines of 'there are reasons you're getting divorced'. You acknowledge the comment that way while keeping out of it.

It's not funny stuff at all. It's just really boring low level sniping shit.

Chrome Hoof tonight, quite excited about that. They're amazing fun, live. Just have to remember to keep my distance from the silver space dancing alien women so they don't try to eat my soul again.

Bad show by the coffee house this morning, we have a whole oasis album to listen to.

Blerugh. Aural torture. I want to finish listening to Disco 3000 but the phone won't stop ringing.

If I get one more phone call from one more idiot user who can't figure out how to use Excel I'm going to pick up my handset and start smashing it into the phone repeatedly.

Today I am labeling beer bottles.

not emptying?

Today I am wondering how much of a sense of humour a Manics fan has. tee hee hee.

I'm really hoping it takes it in the playful spirit it was intended in.

Hello there. I suddenly remembered ILX existed, so thought I'd pop in and say hello and all. I'm still alive and that.

I will not, unfortunately, be pontificating on twee bands on the telly; the producers did not go for that idea in the end, and - before any filming had happened, I should add - decided that I should potentially do a geeky subject should I reach the second round, and something literary if I get to the final. The filming for round one has been done, but I'm sworn to secrecy as to how I did. I also can't tell you when it's going to get on TV, but that's more because nobody has decided yet.

The wedding photography went very well in the end; the only problem was the editing. In the end we produced two albums, with 100 prints altogether between them.

FP! Hello! Well, congrats on being on the programme, geeky subjects and all - hope it went well, even though I understand you're sworn to secrecy.

I'm so fucked off! I just spent ages doing the colouring on a painting, only to resize it for publishing to the web - then I made a change to it, and hit save - not realising it was overwriting the original and not the resized jpeg coz I had channels saved on it. ARGH. I did a load of editing on it - so much that I can't get the original one back in the history.

I mean, I've still got the BW line drawing one. But it fucks me off that the hi res one is gone. BAH!

I hate it when that sort of thing happens. When I download photos from camera to PC, one of the first things I do is write-protect both the files and the directory they're in (both are necessary on Unix systems to avoid accidental delete/overwrite issues)

So, Godel Escher Bach is turning out to be better than I ever imagined it to be.

Why did I not read this book years ago?

I wish someone had turned me on to this instead of wading my way through all that Emperor's New Mind stuff. (No disrespct to Penrose, he still dah man, but still... this is amazing.)

I read it in high school and it blew my mind.

On a lot of levels, it takes things I always kind of thought/suspected and spells them out. And then takes them one level higher.

I was on the bus when I read the little story about the Tortoise and the record player that realised it was a record player and would redesign itself to avoid playing Music To Smash Record Players - and my brain just went POP! and I thought "OMG, is that a metaphor for the origin of consciousness?" and I realised where he was going.

(I read that as "avoid playing Manic Street Preachers" !)

And not "avoid playing S*M*A*S*H" ???

Now that's an eventuality that the book didn't account for - how great would that be? A record player that scans the record it's about to play to make sure it's not Manic Street Preachers, and if it is to SMASH ITSELF INTO BIT to avoid having to play it.

(Or better yet, just smash the record?)

OOOOH! OOOOOOH! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!

TONITE 9PM - 11PM

BTWS TAKE OVER DIESEL.U.MUSIC

/// TUNE IN ///

CLICK HERE http://cult.diesel.com/dum.html#radio/dum_radio.html

Does anyone know how to record stuff off the internet radio, as my home connection will never support that?

AudioHijack or Wiretap pro on the mac, not sure on the PC.

I found this awesome set on flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vogelium/sets/72157603440524136/

But I need someone else to do it, as I'm not hanging around at work to listen/tape it on a fast connection, and home mac will simply not handle the speed.

One proxy server workaround later...

forum kid who owes me a favour is going to be recording it. AWESOMENESS.

rock and roll

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! the IT department might be getting NEW iPHONES!!!!

want want want.

How can we make this happen? We all want. Just have to switch company phone contracts.

The fringe benefits of private "healthcare".

My work is buying me a factory.

I have this image of you as an evil Victorian factory owner twiddling your mustaches and throwing orphans and widows out into the cold. I'm not I was to divest myself of it by asking you what for they are doing this?

somewhere in there I think I understand that question makes those words.

Summer internship project has become - build a factory to make super secret new high technology cleantech device.

As for widows and orphans first I need to find some and then I either need to wait for it to get cold of find a walk in fridge.

WAH-HEY!!!

I HAS A CIRCULUS PORTHOLE!!!!

Whoot, I wonder if it will ever make it to me.

Loving this album SO MUCH and I've got no one to discuss it with. I think I must live closest to Michael, so I got the delivery first. D hadn't got hers last night.

Still haven't made head nor tail on the puzzle inside. I'm no good with puzzles. :-(

What sort of puzzle?

I am really excited by this, although, having met circulus, there is as much excitement surrounding will it ever arrive, did my picture make it onto the record? I want to hear this so badly.

It is a words and numbers puzzle, not sure if it's an anagram or symbol or both or what.

Yes, Ed, your picture made it on to the ship!

I do not want to be in the office today. I want to be outside in the sunshine. Or rather, in the shade, looking at some nice sunshine.

I am the only person in mine office. It's... odd. I feel like putting on some music and dancing around.

(I am annoyed that I can find no new photos of my current obsession, I'm bored of all the old ones and need to change my wallpaper. I am actually sick of looking at his nipples being all erect in a tight Can t-shirt.)

Woken up at 6:15 by a trucker. (On the phone, he was supposed o call me, however he wasn't supposed to be delivering anything till 8:30)

Woken up at 6:15 by a bloke hammering nails into a fence.

um, could you do this at 09;00 plz?

woken up by alarm. Blargh.

Woken up at 6:15 by a trucker.

I'll bet, Ed

woken up by baby at 2:30, 3:30, 4:00, 5:00...

xp rofl

Actually, I get woken up most mornings at ariund 04:50 with the daylight breaking, and 4 and 20 blackbirds singing away. Which is why they're probably too weak to work, come 09:00

Ain't they got no jobs to go to?

Yeah, the blackbirds started up around 4am but I got up and shut the window and stumbled back to bed.

I have finally discovered the point of podcasts. For listening to at work during very boring days.

I CAN HAS NEW BTWS PODCAST, HURRAH!!!

Link?

I hope this is kosher with the deities of ILX - Erol said it was AGAINST THE LAW but Richard was all DO IT DO IT PUT IT UP so, erm, if this is bad, Richard made me do it!

http://www.zshare.net/download/61400532615470c3/

Is it bad that I hear the seagull chorus starting up every morning just as I go to bed?

(Really I should have sent that to the Watercookie list, shouldn't I? Ah well. LISTEN TO WHAT THE FLOWER PEOPLE WIZARDS SLEEVE SAY....)

Thanks for that. If only because I now know about Jacques dutronc, lots of other good stuff too.

I think this was my favourite thing from the show...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t61k5bsa-bo

I just had another ophthalmic migraine. These things are definitely getting more frequent - this is the third one I've had this year and it's only June. That's more in one year than I've had in my life before that.

Yeah that was pretty awesome, there's some good stuff there, is this a regular show?

Might be worth getting that checked out.

You never got them til you started listening to dance music

No, they just did a one-off for Diesel Radio. There's quite a few other podcasts they've done, though, if you check Erol Alkan's site or the BTWS MySpace, they're all sooooo good. Richard Norris just really really knows his stuff. And what I like best about them is that both of them tend towards the electronic end of the spectrum in terms of more modern music - because too often people who listen to that kind of psych stuff, the modern stuff they listen to is crap like BRMC and the Warlocks or shitty jangle merchants that don't actually *sound* psychedelic at all, they're just copying the stylistic bits, rather than trying to do something genuinely mind-expanding. But Norris kind of took the path through acid house, and seems to seek out stuff that is a lot more sonically adventurous.

x-post - no, I admit, it was Alkan who gave me a way *into* dance music that wasn't awful and horrible and Ibiza crap. I've always been interested in electronic music, it's just finding the stuff within dance music that has that... psychedelic edge.

And I've been listening to garage/psych since you were a grunge kid, Kerr, so you can STFU on that front.

Unless you think dance music is giving me the migraines?

I shall search around for stuff. They should do something with Andy Wetherall who is also known for his psych/garage fandom.

Norris probably already has...

And this is it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf38H2H7-UA

can't say it is all that great

There's at least 3 here:

http://www.erolalkan.co.uk/?cat=74

The XFM one, the Zodiac and the G-Mex are there I think. Believe it or not, the Bugged In mix also has some great stuff on it - Spacemen 3, some shoegaze, and the Wicker Man soundtrack. You'd like that one, Ed.

Ah! Here's the whole show:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2cfrka

Thanks.

Kate are you there? I'm drunk as hell and playing B-52's "Rock Lobster" at full volume waiting for the cops to come an arrest me.

I had to rent a computer. I told them I would pay for it. And do you know who came over to deliver it? This wonderful Pisces dude. He said play The Who's Emience Front and Rush's Moving Pictures. That's what he told me to do. He was so cute. and so young. But that's what he told me do.

Unless you think dance music is giving me the migraines?

obviously

Isn't it a bit early to be drinking, Bimble? It's like, noon over there, isn't it?

I'm wondering if I should stop fighting the migraine and go to bed.

Richard just wandered into the thread I was treating like a private party and going SQUEEEEE SQUEEEE SQUEEEEEEEE all over and that was a bit embarrassing. FANGURL TIL I DIE.

but I'll tell you one thing. Erol's giggles are the STONE COLD CUETEST THING ON EARTH. For reals. Who knew? This massive hairy Turk and he giggles like a littler gurl. ADORABLE. fact.

bimble sober up

kate, you may like this, http://www.divshare.com/download/7495568-3d2

What is it? Still d/l-ing Richard's update of the full BTWS set.

I should ask him if he's done anything with Wetherall. He and Erol are supposedly recording original music at the moment, but I'll believe it when I actually hear it. I think that man has a bit of a Kevin Shields complex going on.

My job had my in tears for most of yesterday. I nearly couldn't come in today, but forced myself, still experiencing transient crying jags.

I spent yesterday compiling a report on cosmetic surgery accidents. The most gruesome and bloody things that go wrong around here. And this is ALL for totally unnecessary cosmetic surgery. The things that women go through to live up to this totally unattainable image. I'm still upset and can't push these images out of my mind.

I take it you're continuing looking, for something to "jump to"

I'm not. I probably should be, but I'm not.

I just have the fear, from being unemployed for so long, that there's nothing else out there.

That anything else I will find will be actually personally onerous as opposed to simply philosophically onerous.

That my CV looks patchy enough without leaving yet another job after 3 months.

And because I'm so, so afraid.

Patchy goes with the territory. Plus, nobody would blame you with that "reason for leaving" post (I did see yr blog entry)...

I wouldn't even get a foot in the door.

Another forum has just blown up.

I started the equivalent of a watercooler type thread there, called the "Gurl Thread" for chatting and posting pics of cute boys. It got all kinds of regular harrassment from people who objected to girls, female sexuality, fangirling, conversation, the works. The moderator did nothing about the bullying behaviour. (Imagine a Watercooler where the mods didn't remove someone being a Dom P, so he decided to come in and terrorise those inside on a regular basis) So finally it got to the point where it was nothing but nastiness.

The moderator still doesn't do anything about the bullies, he just locks the thread.

Oh god, I know that I'm using that as a focus because I'm so unhappy about this whole surgery thing. And there's really not much I can do about that, so instead I scream about something completely stupid.

Why am I so hateable?

I can certainly find enough people to hate me anywhere I look.

I have just got to put my headphones on and try to bury myself in work, but this is hard when work is the problem.

Over the past year or so I've been appalled to find a former editor of mine has become scalpel and needle-happy (with a column in 3LL3 all about it). I should have seen it coming: she teased me when I turned 30, and pretended she wasn't 30 at her birthday drinks in the relevant year (2000) and despite having a good head on her shoulders about other aspects of female representation in fashion, gradually lost the plot in day-to-day ways. The joke is, she already had clear skin to kill for, a good figure, and an otherwise working brain.

Have spent half the day in the toilet crying. Crying jags got so bad that I couldn't work, tried to answer phone and couldn't speak because I had been crying too much.

Went home. Don't know what to do at this point.

Kate, is the clinic in question also engaged in any *necessary* reconstructive surgery? For burn victims, cleft palate kiddies and the like?

It's terrible to have to deal with this stuff. If these are any consolations:

1) These people elected to have these surgeries admittedly in the context of societal pressure.
2) Producing these reports will help identify unsafe practices, practitioners etc. and hopefully make future surgeries safer.

Not much help, I know, it is very hard to be dispassionate when it is real injuries happening to real people.

No, not that I'm aware of. It's Cosmetic Surgery - the elective kind - not Plastic Surgery, i.e. reconstructive and healing kind.

There is too much going on in my life right now.

Too much negative shit, and it seems relentless and does not stop - and almost nothing positive.

One of my few sources of joy and positive reinforcement in my life has just been shut off, and it just leaves me with unrelenting misery.

Today is absolutely dragging.

Week feels like it will never end. Have been raiding YouTube for Wendy and Bonnie clips but that's about it. :-(

They exist? Blimey!

Well, not clips of *them* but of their music, yes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxzvdLSi5AA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNGOozM7Lc

I need to get me some more of this stuff, it's pretty much made for me.

Ah right. Calming down.

There's more recent (?) stuff from about 2007 but don't know what that's about.

This weekend I am in austin where e has been on a fellowship fo the last month. I have just had breakfast tacos whilst rining gigs in the chronicle thinking that I could live here.

Where's the Circulus cookie?

Oh yeah, sorry, I meant to do that at work last week but it all went pearshaped.

I am painting my walls and wondering why I'm not at Blur. It's only up the road and really had no urge to be there.

Sweet Jesus, just LOOK at his beard...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3574/3643095487_bedc47817c_o.jpg

yeah, I know I'm drunk as a stoat, but christ on a bike, that is the sexiest beard I've ever seen in my life. Ever. I used to think the HSA had a sexy beard, but that beard up there ^^^^^^^^^ that is the one beard to PWN them all.

Better than pashmina's beard?

Better than anyone's beard, ever. Better than those pirates who braid gunpowder in their beards and set them on fire. Better than... BETTER THAN ANYTHING, EVER.

Disco 3000 Beard. Beard 3000. I want to run my fingers through his chest hair.

n.b. I may be more than slightly intoxificated.

David Traver
Anchorage, Alaska
Beard Team USA
South Central Alaska Beard and Moustache Club
Full Beard Freestyle
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3641/3560211653_ec7ae54010_m.jpg

Karl-Heinz Hille
Berlin, Germany
Berlin Beard Club
Imperial Partial Beard
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2458/3562167547_d508124b02.jpg?v=0

Jack Passion
San Francisco, California
Beard Team USA
Full Beard Natural
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3560217839_cb628cceae.jpg?v=0

http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/images/burkebyzach.jpg

http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/images/chevalierbysheri.jpg

find your own fave, Kate http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/

no no no, this beard is better:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2097/3643902788_ee50e9f6e6_o.jpg

(I like how he grew it back after the Gurl Thread kind of unanimously voted that he looked sexier with a beard.)

He cant compete with those guys

But... just... LOOKIT him!!!!

he is so beautiful.

his hair curling in the Barcelona heat.

he is the Sultan of Swoon.

theres no care in that beard. No style!

Oh, but there's so much S.E.X. which is missing from those other beards.

the forum is making me a special shirt that says "keeps kate lusting" tee hee hee

Austin is pretty great, I now have a a $16 pair of cowboy boots and a paisley shirt from the thrift.

have you had the James Bond margarita at... erm, I forget the name of it. But the famous margarita joint in Austin. I'm trying to imagine you in cowboy boots and, erm... scared.

No wonder if you're imagining him only wearing cowboy boots.

and a paisley shirt, clearly.

Decided not to go to Throbbing Gristle. I'm feeling fragile and rather depressed to start with, and they're not exactly a life-affirming band to go and experience when you're feeling like that. I rather think they might push me over the edge.

Now to go and finish painting my bathroom. I wonder if I can mix metallic paint and ordinary paint together or if that will just look like shite.

Ed, now all you need is a buckskin jacket.

I'm trying to imagine you in cowboy boots and, erm... scared.

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taller

It would be really nice to come into work to something other than complaints. Especially for stuff I didn't even do.

I'm supposed to be DJing tonight and I've done no prep whatsoever, so who knows *what* I will end up playing. I feel like such a fraud doing it. People make such a big deal out of doing it, and it's just... dude, show up, play some records. It's not rocket science. I haven't made mine own music in ages, just played other people's and I'm even getting sick of that, too.

I wish this depression would just fucking GO, not just break for a couple of days manic activity, then drop me right back down the dumper again.

ha ha, my day is getting better. I'm seriously PWNing Shadow Dancer at the song association game.

Dammit, not quick enough. he just got me. I wonder if ILX could do that, or if it would be a giant mess with too many x-posts.

I barely ever do prep for DJing. I know I've never had a prepared setlist. But then again, I'm probably not the sort of DJ anyone else wants to be like, seeing as I play mostly obnoxious musics for my own entertainment.

I'm sure ILx has done similar things to 'song association', though I don't know if it is a very specific game that is less likely to work.

It's not like I prepare a specific setlist, but I do like to kind of get together the things I might like to play all together in one folder, arranged thematically with things that sound good next to each other in order.

But of course, it's not really "proper" DJing as I get told all the time, because I don't beatmatch and I use MP3s instead of acetates made from the chest hair of Chilly Gonzales or whatever it is real DJs are supposed to use. I've got about 2 weeks worth of music in my iTunes at this point, if I don't do *some* prep I get totally lost. I think I'll get out my laptop at lunch and try to do something so I don't end up playing nothing but Delia Derbyshire and Can and the electro kids just stare at me like I've got three heads. :-/

Song Association doesn't really work if you've got too many users, if it gets too rapid fire, there are too many cross posts and it stops making sense.

There was a thread last week: 5 tracks on a theme.

Bogged down by xposts, and then totally obscure subjects...

Ah, didn't realise you were mp3 DJing. Can see how arranging folders might be useful (although you really *should* be playing Delia Derbyshire and Can). I mostly just faff about until almost leaving time and then grab records that seem suitable for the occasion. Then kick myself that I've forgotten something that would go well after this last one etc... then just play 'Paralysed' by the Legendary Stardust Cowboy and laugh at people not knowing what is going on.

Mark, weren't Only Connect threads really popular, though? Surely they are pretty much exactly 'song association'. Not had one for years, mind you.

God, when I still used to do it with CDs, I used to spend HOURS going through and getting the right ones and putting them in wallets with little slips of paper with the track numbers of my favourite songs.

I suppose my way of doing it was a reaction against Hasbeen and his two-boxes-of-records permanently by the door (but getting to the club and only ever playing the same five records ever).

OK, I will play nothing but Delia and Can and I'll say it's your fault if anyone complains. I've got an hour, so I'll play 3 20 minute epics and that's that.

xpost I dunno, maybe before my time.

nonxpost: Howzabout playing "The Visitations" and see who dances?

I have also realised it's impossible to talk to friends with children. They just live in a different universe. There's a part of me that just wants to say "you knew what you were getting into, why are you complaining now?" But it's pointless.

::looks at picture of Erol in pyjamas and cheers up again::

I might just play loads and loads of Selda and belly dance about the booth.

Hey, I've never complained about mine!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/MarkGrout/AACarnival.jpg

No, it's a bit more complicated than that, and don't really want to get into it.

This will make everything better:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6183/erolpjs.jpg

UNZIPPING!!!

I feel so... wrong for lusting after that picture. It's like lusting after a teletubby.

fair enough(xposts)

I wonder how people ever stay friends, sometimes.

Like, you're having a conversation with someone, and you just realise that you so little in common that you can't even begin to comment on each others' lives. It's not that you don't care, it's just that it's hard to find any common ground.

I do not have a partner, I do not have a child. It's not that I have no interest, it just has no relevance to anything in my life.

And I'm sure that the stuff I talk about (my job, my writing, this DJ set I'm fussing about playing tonight) is probably just as unrelevant to the other person.

How do you stay connected to people?

I don't know. And I worry now that large numbers of my friends are starting to get married and breed. Lots of people seem to look down on me for having friends because of shared interests, instead of some sort of innate miraculous 'connection' with people, but how am I supposed to connect with you if you don't care about what I do, and I feel the same way about what you do? With old friends I suppose it may be different, as you have shared history, but how far is that going to get you? Not all conversations can be about that time you did something hilarious in 2004. Now I have made myself depressed.

GRRRR ARRRGGGHGHGHGGH CRANKY KATE IS CRANKY

I think perhaps I need to get more widely shared interests.

Like, erm Erol Alkan's beard is not an interest shared by very many people. I wish it were still the middle ages in some ways, so I could join, like, a guild of psychedelic paisley mural painters or something.

Not that they had such things in the middle ages, but you know what I mean.

ancient order of psychedelic nuns?

So I'm at this pub I'm supposed to be DJing at. I am easily twice - and in some cases three times the age of the audience here. Yikes. Have no idea how this is gonna go down. I play stuff that was around before their grandparents were born.

That was pretty weird, but fun in the end. I totally cleared the room with Delia Derbyshire followed by some Italian prog, but slowly tempted them all back with loads of bubblegum. I had all these teenage girls dancing to the Archies and Green Tambourine and stuff by the end of the night. Apparently one of the girls told the promoter "Wow, she's like, a *real* psych DJ, not some electro DJ pretending to be one" which was, like, the best backhanded compliment ever. It's weird how these cycles come back around.

I have also realised it's impossible to talk to friends with children. They just live in a different universe. There's a part of me that just wants to say "you knew what you were getting into, why are you complaining now?" But it's pointless.

Totally feeling this, although my friends don't really complain. I do feel at times like they're in a different universe, and really...they are!

Glad the DJ set worked well. Seems like all the DJ's I know here in town are about 5 years younger than I am. It helps if you know some hip hop to switch to when the crowd changes. I don't think I would do too well if I were to go back to DJ'ing now.

It's weird, fashions change so much and so fast over here that suddenly everything old is new again. You've got this big, hip NME band namechecking the Shangri Las and making fake Neu! records and suddenly teenagers are interested in this whole backlog of music again. It's quite cool in a way.

I just feel like, these days... the people who share my interests are so much YOUNGER than me that I don't really have other concerns in common with them.(They look at me blankly when I talk about having to pay a mortgage.) But people my age no longer share any of my interests. I am Peter Pan, really, I suppose. FOrever caught between not growing up and having to age.

It's like what I said ages ago, about the undefineable....

How something like the Beatles (bear with me here) can come over as a 'current' thing in the way their humour and personality as individuals seems just as current as how people are now, whereas a lot of the eighties' stylings belong in the museums...

blum blum talking bol, sorry. I'd delete it, but hey it's only the internet...

There's certainly enough other 60s stuff that sounds like it belongs in a museum. And 80s stuff that still sounds "current".

Some things you love because they "are so much what they are" (I adore cheesey 60s psych, I'm sure these kids adore 80s cheese for the same reasons). Some things because they are timeless.

I'm continually shocked by how some bubblegum STILL sounds SO GOOD. It's kind of timeless in that way, despite being built as something cheesey and commercial and mass produced. But you can play The Archies, in a club, now, and kids will dance to it. There's something about that music that just says "dance to me". You cannot be miserable to it, you cannot stand still to it.

Rhythm section is always really well produced and punchy on 60s bubblegum, in comparison, to, I don't know, Jefferson Airplane or somebody

Alice (yep, he's off again) is such a good barometer of what still has currency, and which has none. I haven't set her off on the Kasenatz/Katz stuff but I have no doubt she'd dig it. They have had their Monkees/Beatles phase, working through Abba at the moment (oh, OK just some of the hits, thank god).

Latest ones: I was finding out "Roadrunner" JRichman, instead played about 2 secs of "O Superman", at which point Alice went "Whoa, can you play that one?" and found the whole thing totally intriguing. Which is what happened en-masse when it got to number 2 over here.

Jeff Barry was a freaking genius, is the only conclusion that I can really draw. I'm re-reading "Bubblegum Music Is The Naked Truth" again, and it always strikes me, what *craftsmen* those producers and session players were.

That's the thing about pitching music at 8 year olds, they go for the immediate hit of what it *sounds* like, rather than the stylistic affectations of what sound "cool" and genre and all that.

Has everyone gone to Glasto? Is there anyone around this lazy Friday?

(I don't want to jinx myself by saying that or something will blow up around here.)

theyre all on the michael jackson thread

I'm kind of so numbed by all the 'slebdeaths lately that I don't really have much to say on that matter.

It's gonna be nothing but deathpr0n for the next week, isn't it?

I feel churlish for being turned off by it.

it won be as bad as when princess diana died

Yeah it will, with the addition of lots of people going "get a life you MJ freaks", and other droll witticisms.

Just a matter of time before someone polls "Saddest death this week, MJ vs SWells vs Sky vs Farrah"...

^^^^ there already was one!

I understand when someone really famous dies, it's like a big pop cultural event (especially when 3 or 4 really famous persons die in a cluster) but it gets to the point where it seems like no one can talk about anything *else*. It's like one giant chattering Classic or Dud thread that you can never escape.

My god, I'm a curmudgeon. I think I'm going record shopping this evening, even though payday isn't until next week. That's one of the few proven things that will cheer me up.

Make some reccomendations of stuff to get. I've been on a bubblegum tip recently, mostly, this week.

Fawcett, Jackson or Saxon?

(though they left out Swells)

i think O2 must be struggling with texts messages. I just got 2 that were sent this morning it seems (inc the 1st MJ joke)

Ah, I was wondering why you hadn't replied.

Sigh. I am seriously suffering from Friday Afternoon disease. At least today is a short day. Trying to draw up my record shopping list so I don't get into the shop and go blank like usual.

Friend just sent me this.

http://photos-a-0.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs091.snc1/4940_222068380172_833995172_7511832_738506_n.jpg

How can Alex James STILL be so hott? Just look at that rippling hair and shiny chest.

Scots kids go on school holidays today. I used to love the last day of school before summer at primary school(and xmas too) ,as you were allowed to bring in games. At secondary school I just stayed off, you never did anything anyway.

School holidays. Wow, those were the days. How many books could I read in 3 months?

6 weeks holidays here. Tho I'm sure when I was at primary school, we got 7 weeks but by secondary school it was 6.

Maybe Tom & Gerry will remember better as they're older than I am.

ps sorry but I just had to say Tom & Gerry.

In the States, you get THREE WHOLE MONTHS as you're supposed to be out working in the fields or something.

you gotta enjoy long summer hols as a kid in the states as you wont get any more

I know. Going from 3 months to 2 weeks was the worst part of growing up.

so thats why you moved back to england?

I did wonder - we've got our nephew over from LA for 6 weeks but he doesn't go back to school afterwards, I was like how long are his bloody holidays anyway

has he seen any gigs he wants you to take him to yet?

Well here's the thing - he's no longer into emo! He's now into Cradle of Filth & Cannibal Corpse. So I have to find some metal gigs to take him to. So far all I've found is Kylesa at Islington Academy, which allows children accompanied by adults. And maybe this all-ages HC gig under London Bridge if I can get him into that.

summer holidays, those were the days. CMU is filled with kids on some summer university program calle
C-Mites, a name which I find most bizarre. However, being 11 and getting to play with robots must be pretty cool.

I understand when someone really famous dies, it's like a big pop cultural event (especially when 3 or 4 really famous persons die in a cluster) but it gets to the point where it seems like no one can talk about anything *else*. It's like one giant chattering Classic or Dud thread that you can never escape.

Totally feeling this. Don't want to hear another word about Jacko, to be honest.

How can Alex James STILL be so hott? Just look at that rippling hair and shiny chest.

I never really thought he was hot, and same goes for Damon, although I remember noticing recently how young Damon still looks. Someone mentioned to me that he had a receding hairline when I saw them on the Think Tank tour and I was like "huh??" I didn't even notice!

oh noo colonel poo, you gotta get him out of cradle of filth before he goes home! Kylesa gig yay, go to that!

Sweet jesus, why does it cost THREE TIMES as much to take the train to work as to take the bus? I might bite the bullet and just get up half an hour earlier and go back on the bus next week.

I have started ::gasp:: doing the exercise machine again, hoping that it will lift my mood. And stop me panting when I climb stairs. Haven't done it since I injured my ankle at BTWS (I really think that I did more than sprain my ankle, as it is still not entirely healed 2 months later.) I think it does make a difference, though.

No one wants to talk about Black Meteoric Star. Sigh.

you should go to the doctor and see about it before it causes arthritis or something later in life

I was unaware of Black meteoric star, but I just read a quick review, I might like it.

ARgh, probably - but I hate going to the doctor. My ankles are forever getting bashed about, I had to get anti-inflamatory medication for them last time I injured one.

Yes, I think you would like BMS, Ed. It is where your record collection (and I mean yr vinyl) intersects mine.

if you dont go you will regret it later.

Yes, well last year you were telling me I had appendicitis when I clearly just had a sore tummy! :-P

no i wasnt! I told you to get it checked out!

I've forgotten what sun looks like, its been cloudy for 4 days now. Its warm (22c supposedly), just no direct sun, it's weird. Fri/sat was black cloud yet it didn't rain(was maybe 19c). Yesterday/today its white cloud though there's some blue cloud further away so maybe the sun will finally appear.

I dont want 35c temps or anything but some SUN would be nice.

slash-fic authors beware! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/8124059.stm

Beware what? he was cleared.

beware being charged and losing your job?

does this make you feel old?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8117619.stm

That's huge!
Also no graphic equalizer - looooossssseerrrrrr...

At least it's made by Sony - my first two were made by Alba.

oh noo colonel poo, you gotta get him out of cradle of filth before he goes home! Kylesa gig yay, go to that!

I played him some Melvins over the weekend and he liked it so Kylesa is a possibility.

Walk to Scoop for PISTACHIO GELATI y/n?

y.

Need to be told!

it's essentially six blocks away but will melt before I reach innit...

Think of Scott of the antarctic.

I went down the town to get a few messages and blimey its hot. If the sun was direct it would be even warmer. Really humid though, I hate that.
I bought about 2 dozen ice lollies from Iceland haha

Oh sweet Jesus. Take a guess how many patients we have who have spent over £10,000 on cosmetic surgery in the past 5 years. Go on, just take a guess.

(ugh, did I just say "we"? Oh god they've GOT to me)

5000+

Way over.

However, doing a clinic by clinic analysis has revealed that one clinic has four and a half times as many big spenders as the next closest clinic (central one).

This is just... ugh, I feel like throwing up, every time I look at these figures.

Rather, your estimate is way over the actual figure, thankfully.

I am surprised. Some people I used to work with now spend a fortune on botox and other things, also thought boob jobs were expensive enough to have 5k big spenders on books.

Have you, on your lunchtime wanderings, seen the cosmetic surgeon with the vanity plate B6 T0X yet?

Breast augmentation isn't that expensive - certainly not £10k worth.

Face lifts are most expensive. And, oddly/annoyingly enough, breast reductions are actually way more expensive than augmentations. Isn't that just typical? (i.e. the thing with actual medical reasoning way more expensive than the purely cosmetic. Sigh.)

God, I hate this place. :-(

Why is the tube so bloody awful? It really is embarrassing how bad this city's public transport system is. After two days of this, I'm going back to the bus, seriously.

A ha ha hahahahahahahaaa, OK, pwning a troll makes me unreasonably happy. I have this awful little stalker freak on the EA forum, who basically spend the first 3 months following me around asking me to be his girlfriend, and when I kind of ignored him, decided to spend the next 3 months following me around posting after everything I said saying what a bitch I am and how much he hates me. You know how it is.

Anyway!

A friend posted a bunch of pics of a bearded Alex James at Glasto saying "this will cheer you up, MB!" so I wrote back, joking "ha ha, I didn't know Erol could play bass - oh wait, of course he can - with a link to a pic of his bass" (he tweeted when he was talking about Voxes, and I asked him what make Vox bass, etc. blah blah)

so idiot stalker boy swallowed this hook, line and sinker and was all "oh, was he playing bass with LOTP or what?"

Like ARE YOU A TOTAL FREAKING IDIOT!?!?!? You've spent how long on this man's forum, and you still don't actually know what he looks like? Ha ha ahaahahahahhahahaaaa oh god, this is too funny. I wonder how long it will take him to figure it out.

I'm going to Bletchley Park! Yes I am!

http://womenofbletchleypark.eventbrite.com/

THIS LOOKS AWESOME (it's run by the Finding Ada people)

ha ha ha, um, WOW.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3666148666_8ab4914726_b.jpg

Call that a beard?

No, not really. He was more bearded in other photos (probably from other gigs).

(Also, sigh, Erol had shaved by Glasto. This makes me feel so sad.)

ILX today is making me hate people.

Wait, no, that's not fair. It's making me hate men. Yeah, that's it. I'm going to hold all of the males in the world responsible for the creepy actions of a few men on a couple of messageboards, coz that's only fair, right?

I think Alex decided not to eat cheese for a few months!

How can a 40 year old man get away with skinny jeans on this scale?!?!?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/hisori/random/88731463.jpg

I still would. I just WOULD.

I really want to photoshop some of Alex's cheese into one of these shots where he's doing a spinback on the CD:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2458/3672066268_753b06391d_o.jpg

Erol, however, does need to lay off the cheese. Poor boy. I blame Richard, who has apparently been force feeding him pasta.

At some stage I was gonna comment on the strange doppelganger qualities of Erolalex. Though have never seen Mr James in a Batman teeshirt.

Sigh. Off to Swells' memorial pickling of livers, it'll be sooooooo weird.

They don't look *that* much alike.

OK, they're about the same height, the same build, similar colouring (olive skin, dark hair and eyes) and have the same haircut. In fact, several of the same haircuts over the years.

Facially... they're both handsome men with high cheekbones and square jaws and wide, generous mouths. And the same puppydog eyes. But, erm... grasping at straws... Erol's face is longer, while Alex's is squarer. Erol's nose is slightly hooked while Alex's is straight. And... erm... I've never seen Erol's ears (they're always behind headphones) but I think they don't stick out as much as Alex's.

Oh, alright. They are very similar. I have my type, OK? Leave me alone.

Seriously.

WHY is the tube so hellish?

I cannot believe that people in one of the largest and richest metropolitan areas in the world would put up with such CRAP transportation for so long.

After 3 days of dealing with the tube, I'm not even waiting for my travelcard to run out, I'm straight back on the bus tomorrow. It's ONE THIRD the price, and at least I get to sit down, open a window, and I will only ever be occasionally touched by one other human being if someone sits down next to me.

It is damn hot: I'm workin' in Islington at the mo.

Well, not this minute obv.

I couldn't take it any more. I went back to the bus this morning. I will never complain about the busses again, it was so pleasant and cool and nice compared to the tube. I had a place to sit, an open window, only one person in my vicinity for a portion of the ride. OK, they kicked us all off the bus at Lambeth and made us get on the one behind us (which mysteriously had its heating on - erm, hello - it is JULY?!?!?) but apart from that it was about 10x more pleasant than the tube.

I'll get the tube home in the evening, because the bus is too slow for words then, but never again in the morning.

Last time of London working for a bit. Better FOPP might be last chance.

Wire, (the band), the first three albums £3 each.

Oh, and "Delay 1968" Can, bit good innit? (There are some albums I haven't got that I know I'd like, just so's I can space them out a bit. Again, £3 for the remaster, be daft not to)

Yeah, at £3 you can't really go very far wrong.

I need to get me to a FOPP tonight, seriously. Where is the London one? Shaftsbury, right?

This is making me laugh unreasonably hard today. Just waiting to go to the Dr. to get my prescription - been a couple of days without it and I'm going a bit doolally.

http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss344/bartkleinreesink/dfafdafs.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3684054728_9dcc1941ee_o.jpg

It was only a matter of time. Seriously.

OMG OMG WANT WANT DOOOO WANT

http://www.fairfaxgallery.com/Elisab5.jpg

AAAH, I'm so happy. I finally seem to have got over my writers' block and me and my synth are friends again.

NOW I just need to remember how to write bloody lyrics. I've borrowed some off various bands just to fill in the melody but mostly I'm just digging the radiophonic swooshes and things:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/62273819a75d591a/

This morning I hate it. Where oh where did my confidence go?

It's amazing how I can start the day in a pretty good mood, and half an hour on ILM will totally spoil it.

I am feeling cranky now and my internet access is about to go down for an hour, but it doesn't matter as there's no one to talk to anyway.

Ha ha, they haven't switched my interwebs off yet.

they have now

No they haven't. I'm just bored and listening to the new Joakim album and wondering why Nebula Laughter isn't on it, dammit.

At first I thought it was YOU playing a trick and put some sunn0))) for the first track coz it's so DOOM DOOOOM but then it went back to space disco for the rest of it. Sort of.

yeah I just nipped into the CD plant and replaced the first track.

d/l not CD. far more likely.

Except I didn't upload you anything nor send you a download link.

btw did you like the latest Sunn 0)))?

I still haven't got to the end of it, TBH. It's not really "listening to work" kind of music, now, is it?

Well, you might have listened to it at home.

unless you're always out clubbing now!

Anyone seen FP or Tom D around lately?

Ha ha ha, the last time I went to a club I injured myself so badly I haven't gone dancing since. That was two months ago.

Oh yeah, the Dr. said it wasn't broken and I was just a big cry baby and needed to shut up and get some exercise.

He said, if it were broken, I'd know. (I didn't have the heart to point out that I lived with a broken wrist I'd never known about for 20 years.)

I am so tired. I always say "I have to leave at this time" and then I never get to. ANd then I'm ruined the next day. And it sucks. :-(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/8136122.stm
Imagine how tired that professor must be after 40 years

Why do people at bloody data recovery firms NEVER ANSWER THE GOD DAMN PHONE?

Of course the moment I mention that I am taking it to AN EXPERT all the boys in the IT dept want a go at trying to fix it. Um.

^^^men for you...

That's the thing about pitching music at 8 year olds, they go for the immediate hit of what it *sounds* like, rather than the stylistic affectations of what sound "cool" and genre and all that.

Can I just OTM this? I wibbled on about genre not really existing at all* on some thread, and I still think it's true.

*) it may possibly be used as a useful constraint for those making stuff, it's just that it mostly works in a negative way for listeners etc. Besides obviously not having any actual existence, of course.

Well, the Sys Admin did actually manage to recover the data, and now he says he's going to fix the laptop, I kinda believe him! There was a problem with the partioning, I think.

Erm... WRT "genre" no, I don't think it's helpful to people making stuff. I tend not to think about genre in the slightest when I'm writing, I just write what I think sounds good/what suits the song. Genre is totally something that critics and record shop employees invent to make it easier to file stuff.

Maybe like these hard drive partitions I don't understand either.

More on the 8yr old (she's now nine tho)...

Now into MJackson, but thankfully seems to like best the ones I like. ("Black or White" seems to be the favourite one)

Re: "Genre"

Why I hated supplying online music for those "Peoplesound" type things: They'd always have a "Genre" section, and after filling it in, I knew I wasn't interested in d/l the stuff myself already.

"It's a bit like Beck maybe" = no interest from anybody, and rightly.

There's no category for "LOOK JUST HAVE A BLEEDIN' LISTEN!"

I hate the genre section, so I always fill it in with rubbish like "Big Gay Disco" or "microprog" or stuff that's probably not helpful to anyway else, but really much more meaningful to me than, say "alternative/punk" or "electronica/dance" which is what those helpful databases always recommend.

"Kosmische". Y'what?

Hello all from the top of a hill in spain for bike racing.

How long are you in Catalunya for?

Back to states on sunday.

What, no espadrille folk dancers for you?

That is on saturday, always the weekend before the quatorze, the dance festival is the following weekend and it is the worlds most boring folk dance, so I am not missing much.

I didn't go to Club Kosmische in the end coz, well, I am boring and stayed home and played with synthesiser emulators instead.

SPAIN. I misread that as SPACE. Duh.

[i]I misread that as SPACE. Duh.{/i]

Hawkwind Casualty

space racing.

Actually a Cosmos casualty long before a Hawkwind casualty.

LOL italic malfunction. I think I'm a bit brain damaged from breathing in a shitload of gas from a leaking refrigerator yesterday.

I bet not even Hawkwind tried that high!

Actually, I kinda bet they did. heh.

"Ozone Accumulator"

Horrible stuff, I felt ill for hours afterwards

I want the sys admin to stop playing with his computer and load my files back onto MY computer so I can take it home and re-mix the Shimuras album yet again.

It will be way too obvious if I call in sick tomorrow to stay home and play with Cubase, won't it? ;-)

I had forgotten how WEE the old laptop was.

Feeling very bored today and want new, erm, crush input. No new photos turning up anywhere, dammit.

(now he appears to be living inside a disco ball. in his overly tight Can shirt. how happy does this make me?)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/3059056850_224d08f191.jpg

Tom are you patriotic about this?
LOL Scottish Pirate Metal

I've left it too late for this year, but I want to do this next year:

http://www.orient-express.com/web/vsoe/journeys/4_121933.jsp

Tell me why I don't like Mondays.

Telex machines.

My head is still in mixing mode. Not in office mode.

ARGH I just got bumped up and have to do my "five of the best" DJ mix this week. I thought I had loads of time. Now my mind has gone completely blank and I have no idea what to put on it.

Five songs you think everyone should hear. But... does that mean "best" or "favourite" and there's always a pressure with these things to not pick really obvious songs and pick stuff people may not have heard, even though your favourite song of all time may be Blue Monday or something.

Guess who's been quarantined for potential swine flu.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK.

Do you think I can leave the house to get some milk and groceries if I put a mask on?

Yeah, tell 'em it's a Jackson tribute.

I finally am listening to the circulus album, how can we both like this and you not like Jethro Tull?

Because I don't like the singer's voice in Tull.

fair enough

how is the flu coming along?

cuz jethro tull suck?

did anyone vote in my poll? ILM Help Pfunkboy Decide Which Of These Cassettes He Should Play!

I think I can safely say I have never knowingly heard any of those bands.

headache has gone enough to watch movies! I am watching Coast again. But sore throat conquers all. have broken out the ben and jerrys in the freezer, though appetite still too shot to eat much of it. had forgotten how hott Neil Oliver was. not as hott as Erol, mind you, but his BBC special today is cheesey and silly. BUT HE LOVES GURLS ALOUD so yay.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8143030.stm

OK, I am bored out of my fucking mind after 4 days of enforced bedrest.

I've just started trying to listen to music and the problem is, all the kind of shimmery wub stuff I usually like sounds just way too much like a throbbing migraine right now. Can't really concentrate on a movie for much more than half an hour or so, and my DVD player is acting up anyway. (why do the optical disc drives on Macs always seem to go first?)

can't do anything that involves leaving the house as I'm still quarantined.

BORED BORED BORED BORED BORED.

I finally found that OX4 CD, kate!

Eh?

The "Ride Greatest Hits" CD I got in an Oxfam shop, £1.20, found it 'pleasant' but unfussed about it. I said you could have it, but it'd probably be a while before I found it. I found it, yesterday, played it again, got unfussed after 5 tracks...

Oh! Yes. Thank you, yes, I would like that.

My brain has been eaten by watching too many octopus clips on YouTube today.

I am on deadline and apart from the YAY WORK aspect this is sucking.

(Same addy?)

If you have Sunnyhill rd. then yes.

you should send her a Redd Kross parcel

Blur's James to make Royal cheese

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45281000/jpg/_45281792_45281781.jpg
Alex James lives on a cheese farm in Oxfordshire

Blur bassist-turned-farmer Alex James is to start making cheese for the Prince of Wales.

The 40-year-old had signed a deal to produce a cheese using half a million litres of organic milk from a pedigree Ayrshire herd.

The cheese will be sold through the Duchy of Cornwall estate.

Blur recently reformed as a foursome after a nine-year gap to play a series of gigs including performances at London's Hyde Park and Glastonbury.

'Poshest cheese'

"It will be the poshest cheese in the world but it's only going to cost £3 - I think everyone should be able to afford royal cheese," James told The Times.

A spokesman for the Prince said: "Duchy Originals is delighted to be working with Alex James, one of Britain's most exciting and passionate new cheese makers, to produce a cheese using the milk form the herd of Ayrshire cows on the Duchy Home Farm."

The musician-turned-farmer lives on a cheese farm in Oxfordshire.

His first goat's cheese, Little Wallop, won silver at the Cheese of the Year Awards in 2008.

If James supplies the cheese to the Prince for five years, he could earn a Royal Warrant.

Alex James, bass-player and cheese-maker, by appointment to the crown.

Jeez! I really thought I was better this morning! It's the first day I haven't woken up and needed painkillers. I was getting all excited coz I thought I might be able to go to this psychosmische thing at the Elephant tonight... walked up to the top of the street to buy some milk from the corner shop and got so dizzy I had to sit down.

When *will* this thing end? Enough already?

Thanks for the Ride CD, Mark G! Arrived this morning and confused the heck out of me as I wasn't expecting anything.

Don't really know if it was that Ride were an albums band more than a singles band, or just that I've grown up, but I was a bit disappointed with it all. The liner notes kind of annoyed me a bit, too, that whole self-glorifying Creation bullshit self mythologising type thing.

Is good to have the disc, though.

I think, at the time, they came out and seemed to me a 'nice' version of I dunno, the whole Wedding present thrash, along with the JMC outlook, and I was neither under or overwhelmed. Whelmed, I guess.

I must confess, I thought they were amazing at the time. Now I listen to it, and I can hear all the joins where they've put the bits of one thing together with bits of another. I suppose it's just become too common through repetition.

Also, the lyrics just sound a bit embarrassingly like 20y.o. college kid musing of "who am I, where am I going, how do I escape?" which I supposed was profound when I was 20, but it's all a bit...

I suppose it's just the liner notes which have wound me up so much. Because it's so posed as this US vs. THEM of grungey indie kids versus THE EIGHTIES ESTABLISHMENT OF SHINEY POP MUSIC and it's a bit, eh, right stringy-haired white teenage boys stringing together the best bits of the 60s, that's so much more worthy and pure and revolutionary than, like, all that shiny silver bacofoil 80s pop as so beloved by, like, GURLS and brown people and teh Gays.

Of course I didn't notice that at the time, I was just blinded by Mark Gardener's lips and Andy Bell's flopping blond fringe.

you certainly noticed them

I want a saz.

Saz would be cool, maybe there is somewhere up green lanes way you can get one?

hope you are on the mend now.

I biked from DC to cumber;and this weekend (OK from thursday eve to sunday lunch). Got rained on. Great.

Also, have doctors started wearing traditional garb for swine flu doom yet?

http://www.delpiano.com/carnival/assets/images/auto_generated_images/a_grev_medico1_w.jpg

Don't be silly, I'll get a cheap one in Istanbul over Xmas.

Yes, I see loads of people dressed like that on the bus every morning. End times.

The stick is for whacking mp3 youths.

I forgot about Istanbul, then you shall has a saz.

I need to actually start organising that, but, erm, the Prints are in Norway or somewhere this month and I needed to get the name of the hotel they reccomended from there. You don't remember the name of it, do you? Or did they distract you with Sazzes?

My mum is already in a tizzle about my going to Istanbul because she's convinced "they're not european, you know! they're not quite civilized! the men...!!!" despite the fact there was civilisation on the Bosphorus when our ancestors were still painting themselves blue and throwing themselves at the English. Sigh. I shall be sure to come home with at least three Turkish husbands, each hairier than the last, who beat me every night.

ELEKTRO SAZ

http://img1.loadtr.com/b-378991-elektro_ba%C4%9Flama.jpg

they had baths when we had kings that still thought cleanliness spread diseases (that was relatively recently too, but they had baths for a long time).

when come back, bring electrosaz

I'm allowed up to 4 husbands, right? And put them all in bathtubs to wash their beards.

WILL DO BEST TO FIND ELEKTROSAZ. WANT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9h18UONfcI

Ride's lyrics are pretty much universally atrocious. I still dig a lot of their earlier music, I think they were unusually good & tight for a brit band of the time. The drummer was excellent, really outstanding. What pissed me off with themwas when they copped out and went all retro & tedious. That seemed to be a common thing with indie bands back in the 90's though. They'd go onward and upward, get all your hopes up, and then cop out and start droning on about how awesome Neil Young is, flop out & go retro. What a drag. I kind of see Ride in retrospect as an EP band? I think, maybe.

Their first LP *looked* like two e.p.'s compiled onto each side of an LP.

Which first LP? The first LP released in America was just Ride and Play EPs stuck on each side of an LP and sold like that.

But yeah. Ride were all about the drummer. Loz was/is awesome.

(last spotted playing drums for the JAMC of all people)

xpost I looked it up, the LP was called "Nowhere", and it has 8 tracks, 4 on each side.

You were in Ride, Mark G, so you should know

oh god, yeah I forgot.

Ah, no, that wasn't what I was thinking of. Nowhere always felt like an album to me.

They probably were best as an EP band - my favourite thing they did is still the Today Forever ep.

Why do British bands retro out and start to suck?

Nowadays they just go straight to the retro and the sucking out and bypass the good bit

probably because it's easier, and there's not many bands that have a "work ethic"...

I think (challops alert) that as one ages, one tends to initially encounter bands later in their careers, by which point they will have started to suck already.

To get "above" all the other bands, you have to have something to single you out.

When you are in that "above" position, hey you can relax....!

I don't think that's the case. I think that suddenly you're under a hell of a lot more pressure once you've had some small success (or worse, if you had large success) and then that's when the desire to "PUT OUT SOMETHING CLASSIC!" hits hard. People know second albums are supposed to be "difficult" so they don't take chances on them.

Also they'll have used up 20-odd years of ideas and inspiration on a first album and then have a year to come up with something comparable

But, getting one good album or record or song or whatever out of a band or artist is better than nothing

Take two examples:

"Darklands", an album supposedly "not as classic" as the first, and I guess the first was the 'shock of the new', but had the classic hits and the 'dark country' that they were yearning for.

"DelaSoul is Dead" where the weird and unsettling stuff was more noticeable, in fact it was always there but was less noticeable than the 'daisy' light stuff because that was new, whereas the 2nd album had it also but it seemed less new so the darker angles became the 'angle'

So on saturday we have a benefit gig where bands will cover songs from the first nuggets cd which sounds like fun and then Texas Prog on sunday.

Wow, that sounds like amazing fun. Wait, who is the Texas Prog?

I'm actually going to Field Day this weekend. Kinda scared. Although I think a festival in Hackney will be more civilized than a real one, the organiser is going around saying things like "if you can't deal with a torrential downpour, you have no right being at a British festival, ha ha!"

I should have just skipped it and gone straight to the (indoors) afterparty. But ah well, I've bought the ticket now.

Texas Prog:

http://www.myspace.com/zechsmarquise

Field day should be fun.

Venue for sunday is BYOB, I like this in a gig venue.

Good lord, masks and everything. I'm kinda scared. Though the MySpace tracks sounding good so far...

The best thing about Field Day looks like the FOOD, tbh.

I'm kind of annoyed that there are only 4 or 5 bands that I really *want* to see, and 2 of them are of course playing at the same time. FAIL.

ACtually, I'm liking the sound of this Texan Prog a lot.

the prog festival is byob = bring your own beard?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL could be beard, bike or bottle...

All three I suspect.

Myspace sounds very Rudi and Spider but I think I like.

Bring Your Own Bassoon

I want to live inside this, really...

http://photos.igougo.com/images/p151603-Istanbul-Istanbul_Bazaar.jpg

Oh, wrong thread. Oh well. It will do.

Mon Dieu Mah Alumina Balls is all covered with manganese dioxide.

Mon dieu! Mah balls!

(oh, where are Boney and Emil.y to laugh at the synth pr0n?)

But yeah. Ride were all about the drummer. Loz was/is awesome.

I imagine you know Loz is in this lot now...
(who I keep failing to see, mostly due to laziness, but they did cancel the one gig I actually managed to get myself to)

Um, they're really kinda... erm, a bit boring and predictable?

I can imagine they'd be quite nice to see, especially if it was a nice summer day and you were sitting on the grass outside. But I have really grown tired of that particularly sound-by-numbers.

::shame faced::

Overkill really can kill love. It's a bad thing.

boing boing boing OMG friend H is giving me Givenchy jacket! My life is getting really weird...

I has tickets to Istanbul!!!!

I still has no passport, which is somewhat problematic, but have until December to sort this out.

Stupid annoying travel websites are rubbitch at working out the real cost of flights. Sure, sodding Easyjet comes out cheapest on the flights, but then they start charging you extra ££££ for bringing, like *suitcases* on a 10-day trip. Um, yeah. Then there's the fact that the airport they land at is a billion miles out in the middle of nowhere on the Asian side of Istanbul. OK, they do fly out of Gatwick, which is nice, but ... given between stumbling around the transport systems of London, which I know really well, vs. some foreign country with a language I can only just say please and thank you (and "hey baby, let's dance" and other phrases I've learned from pop songs which are surely not going to be helpful at all) ... I went with BA in the end. Which, even though technically more expensive...

Cheap Flight + ££££ for bags + Euro45 for taxi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Reasonable when booked in advance flight + no baggage charges + only Euro25 for taxi

Ooh, jealous. You should do a mix of some of the pop for the cookie club, perhaps? Unless you have and I just missed it.

Though I have just noticed this: I think a festival in Hackney will be more civilized than a real one. Unless Field Day have really got their act together, expect hour-long queues for booze, hour-and-a-half long queues for toilets, bad sound, strong likelihood of them running out of booze halfway through the day, etc etc. I went to the first one, after which they apologised profusely, but people who went to the second one said it wasn't much better on the organisational front.

Well, I don't drink any more so booze queues will just make me laff. However, toilet queues... hhrrrmmmm.

Turkish pop cookie mix? Oh no, you want CKB/Elvis Telecom for that considering that's where I got about half of mine. (And Baris K for the other half.)

My boss is currently looking on Turkish dating sites for a holiday fling for me. ::rolls eyes:: Actually, I was surprised by how many of them were hott. He actually found me a 40yo Turkish Hawkwind obsessive. I think I'd be too scared to meet him. (However, he might tell me where the best Anatolian Prog shops in Istanbul are.)

My boss has just pointed out worry that my room may not have a bathroom. Half the rooms/suites detail exactly what kind of bathroom they have, but the one I've booked doesn't.

I mean, I don't mind sharing (always do in NYC) but I wish it would say either way. I mean, hello, it's Istanbul, ooooh, yeah, it will be SO MUCH OF AN IMPOSITION to go to Turkish baths every other day. But would like at least a loo in my room.

BA often comes out cheapest when compared to easyjet on those terms, and they'll still feed you and give you booze (London to istanbul longer than 2.5hrs).

Kate, watch out for squatter toilets, just saying.

I'm going to Istanbul, not Kinshassa, dammit!

(Actually, I've been to Kinshasa, too, and they had perfectly ordinary loos.)

There are also squatter toilets in SW France, just something to be borne in mind when ambiguous bathroom arrangements present in a registration (and am pulling your leg).