― gareth, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Say what you want about old baldy's tactics etc but Keane would have been having meals through a straw if he carried on like this back in the old days.
― Ronan, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jonnie, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
There's also Keane's personal life to consider - his marriage is on the rocks and apparently there were (are?) to be fresh scandals published in this coming Sunday's pr
― N., Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
ON a basic point, no individual is bigger than the team; ergo, he had to go. He seems to be under the impression that Big Mick has deliberately picked players not as good as he is; unlike at Man Ure, the manager can't go out and buy some new players for him to play with.
Good riddance I say.
― Nathan Barley, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Sorry everything about that bloke really gets my back up, he was a cocky little bastard at Forest and Cloughie couldn't knock any sense into him, the only reason he gets on so well with Ferguson is cos they're the same sort of bully and so he acts as his enforcer or summat. Castration, it's the only answer
That's cheating.
Raul had a bit of a tiff with a coach the other day, I was hoping he'd come home in a huff too. That bloke from Arsenal had a bit of fisticuffs with a fellow Swede, it's catching on.
― PJ Miller, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― rener, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't want to kill Roy Keane, but I'll be very annoyed by any sympathy he's shown and I'd like to this negate everything else he's done for Irish football too.
― David, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Michael Bourke, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Also there's a great deal of people who are behaving like 12 year olds and can't seem to see beyond the fact that "I'd rather Roy Keane than Mick McCarthy for Ireland". I mean principles are principles.
I'm not sure how committed Roy was anyway, all this "i'm only coming back for my family" nonsense, if anyone was looking for an excuse for Roy Keane to be sent home, it was Roy Keane.
I loathe him too. Psychopathic, bulging eyed thug. So there'll always be a place at Wimbledon FC for him.
― Mark C, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
"Who the fuck do you think you are, having meetings about me? You were a crap player, you are a crap manager. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are manager of my country and you're not even Irish, you English cunt. You can stick it up your bollocks."
Oo-err!
― Johnathan, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― N., Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
N. — do you like Ray Manzarek?
― mark s, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Billy D, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― gareth, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jonnie, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)
Say MUCH LESS. He's reportedly on £75k a week or thereabouts. That's four good players for an old man with a bad temper and a dodgy hip.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)
The programme was recorded at United's training complex at Carrington on Monday lunchtime, the injured United captain giving his verdict on the debacle at the Riverside Stadium on Saturday evening, but United hierarchy pulled the show as the Irishman laid in to more than one first team regular with amazing vitriol.
― terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)
― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)
I would instantly sack Keane and get him away from the club. Has Keane never played a bad game? You'd think that all of MUFC's success over the years was singlehandedly down to Keane. What about Giggs, Scholes, Schmichael, Cantona etc etc? I have absolutely no respect for this kind of sniping from the sidelines. Ferguson and the club need to stick with the players they have and try and work on correcting the problems. Stick together and work it out. Why doesn't Keane get in there and help to put things right? Because he's a whinging self-serving cunt, that's why. Look at his track record - a series of pathetic disputes about money or the affrontery of having to play with players who aren't in his class. He might have been the best midfielder in the country 7 years ago, but for the last 3 or 4 he's been living on reputation - slow, limited and half-crocked. He was good once though, I'll give him that.
Of course Ferguson won't kick him out.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)
A Year On
Review from northerner about Stam, Jaap, 09.09.02Author's product rating Advantages World Class DefenderDisadvantages Abrupt departure
Summary:Full reviewAmid the fallout from Roy Keane’s literary efforts, the controversy surrounding Old Traffords last would be author remains unclear. Although Manchester United have rightfully suggested that no player will now be allowed permission to write an autobiography whilst at the club, the situation surrounding the sale of Jaap Stam has yet to be resolved. A number of different explanations were offered at the time, but the fans are still unclear as to why the club sold their based defender at such short notice, without a reasonable explanation for such an abrupt transfer.
The first explanation, provided by the club, is that Stam had failed to recover sufficiently from an operation on his achilles tendon, and was no longer playing at the level the club expected of him. Laurent Blanc, persistently pursued by the club, had recently become available, and with the progress of Wes Brown and John O’Shea, Stam would no longer be a first choice, and the chance to recoup £15m to offset the cost of the summer transfers was seen as good business. However, the timing of the transfer makes this explanation seem unlikely. If the club really had intended to replace Stam, then it would have made sense to conduct the transfer before the season started, not rushing to beat the European transfer deadline. Suggesting that Stam was sold because he was no longer needed at the club is about as credible as the argument that Rio Ferdiand was signed by Leeds as a stop-gap.
The second explanation is one constructed from various sources within the club, which suggest Stam’s sale may have been the result of a serious of misunderstandings. After media attention surrounding his book, Stam believed he may have damaged his relationship with the club, so instructed his agent to investigate possible moves away from England if the situation became worse. The United board soon found out that an agent acting for Stam had been touting possible interest in his client, and mistakenly believed that Stam wanted a move away from the club. The board decided that is Stam was to leave, it would be on their terms, and also began to investigate possible moves. Having recently signed Veron form Lazio, United had a good relationship with the Italian club, and soon agreed a transfer, which Stam had little chance of rejecting. As an explanation, this has credibility, as misunderstandings between players, agents and clubs are common. However, it is unlikely both that Stam would have believed his comments would force him to leave the club, and that United would transfer a player before verifying rumours of him looking to leave the club.
The third explanation, provided by the media, is that comments made in Stam’s autobiography caused concern within the club, and the decision was made to offload the player. Comments concerning team mates were insulting, but light hearted. However, comments regarding European opposition, and a suggestion that Manchester United made an illegal approach for him whilst at PSV, were potentially damaging and hence the club were forced to transfer him. As the timing between the release of his book, and his transfer were coincident, it was the easy option to conclude that the book was the course of the dispute. However, it seems highly unlikely that Manchester United would offload their best defender simply for a few out of place remarks. Although a simple explanation, it seems that it lacks any real substance.
The fourth possible explanation, and possibly the most credible, came to light after the transfer had been completed, and Stam had begun his career at Lazio. After a routine drug test, Stam was found to have taken nandralone, and was subsequently banned for 6 months. This was one a series of bans, mostly Dutch players, for taking banned substances. Allegations has been made that The Holland squad for Euro 2000 had been taking dietary supplements that may have contained banned sub stances. Following bans for Davids and DeBoer, many clubs instructed their medical staff to test any Dutch players in their squad. It has become apparent that Manchester United probably tested both Van Nistlerooy and Stam, although the results were withheld. It is now suggested that Manchester United, on discovering that Stam tested positive, were aware that it was only a matter of time before the player was officially tested, and given a lengthy ban. The decision was taken that a replacement for Stam would have to be found, and that Laurent Blanc could lead the defence until a younger replacement was found. This relies on the assumption that Lazio didn’t conduct their own medical tests, although the proximity of the transfer deadline may have forced the club to perform a medical quickly. If this is the explanation why Stam was transferred to Lazio, and initially it is highly plausible, it is obvious that the club would look to withhold the information, and suggest alternative reasons for the move. The controversy over Jaap’s book may have helped the club conceal the truth surrounding the deal, which may have damaged the club’s reputation.
The impact of Stam’s sale on the Manchester United defence caused much interest within the football world. Stam was undoubtedly the based individual defender in the squad, and one of the best centre backs in the world. However, legitimate doubts were raised over his ability to play within a defensive unit, and to provide leadership to the younger members of the defence. Laurent Blanc was seen as a vastly experienced defender who could organise the defence for a season before a younger defender could be brought in to build to the defence around. However, to suggest that the sale of Stam was the reason why Manchester United failed to retain the Premiership title is both inaccurate and unfounded. Firstly, although of the top 6 sides, only Newcastle conceded more goals, it was United’ s failure to score goals that cost them the title. United failed to secure a record fourth successive title because they lost 6 games at home, failing to score in all six games, and losing five of them 1-0. Arsenal won the title because they scored in every game, home and away, not because they had a better defensive record. Equally, the claim that keeping Stam at the club would have improved that defensive record are inaccurate. Blanc had an excellent season, providing the leadership that had previously been missed. United conceded goals because of injuries that made it impossible to get a settled defence, with 17 different centre back pairings over the course of the season, and the attacking style of play which provides little cover for the defence.
Ultimately, it is still unclear why Jaap Stam’s career at Old Trafford was abruptly ended. If the club were aware that Stam would test positive if he was officially sampled, then it is in their best interests not to disclose that they offloaded a player knowing he would test positive for a banned substance. United have moved on, brining in Blanc who had an excellent first season, and subsequently signing one of the most promising centre backs in the world in Rio Ferdinand. Stam has struggled in the unsettled atmosphere of Lazio amid financial difficulties and his drugs ban. The real explanation for Stam’s sale to Lazio, along with the £15m owed to Manchester United, is uncertain.
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)
On another occasion Keane is described as having "lost it" when he saw Ruud van Nistelrooy combing his hair before an interview with MUTV at the club's training ground.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1627340,00.html
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 4 November 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)
― terry lennox. (gareth), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)
My favourite bit in the book was when he threw a strop about everyone eating unhealthy cheese sandwiches then stormed up to his room and ordered a pizza (you know, those things with the BREAD and the CHEESE) from room service.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)
― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)
― terry lennox. (gareth), Saturday, 5 November 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 November 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)
*Maybe Newcastle, but they're menko like that.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 5 November 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)
he would go to villa
― terry lennox. (gareth), Saturday, 5 November 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 5 November 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)
He was arguably signed as an attacking midfielder-cum-striker. I might be wrong about this, but I thought he was often played as right-side midfielder at Leeds. He certainly wasn't signed for his strike rate, which was never that impressive (and worse than Viduka's). At the time United had Van Nistelrooy as the proven striker, with Forlan and Saha battling it out for the second spot, and Solksjaer supposedly about to return from injury. It seems more likely he was bought for his aggression and attitude, qualities lacking in many of the other players. With Rooney suddenly signed at the start of Smith's first season he was even less likely to be needed as striker (or he wouldn't have been if it hadn't been for Van Nistelrooy, Saha, Rooney and Solksjaer all being injured). Come this season and Ferguson was faced with virtually no transfer budget - I think the net spend was about £1 million, even though Park and VDS came in about ten others were shipped out to reduce the wage bill for the indebted new owners - and an ageing Roy Keane that needed replacing. Who else *from within the squad* could he have chosen? Some pundits last weekend were suggesting Ferguson should sign Gerrard! With what???? Besides, if he's not going to leave Liverpool for Chelsea, why on earth would he go to Man Utd?
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Saturday, 5 November 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)
"Mutual consent..."
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)
By Simon Stone, PA Sport
Roy Keane has sensationally left Manchester United by mutual consent.
A statement released by the Old Trafford outfit confirmed that their long-serving captain has departed with immediate effect after it became clear that his future at the club was untenable.
The 34-year-old's representative Michael Kennedy met United chief executive David Gill at Old Trafford to thrash out details of Keane's severance, completing one of the most dramatic departures Manchester United has ever known.mfl
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)
― Dr.C, Friday, 18 November 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)
I think the chances of Keane leaving before Ferguson are pretty much zero now. -- Dom Passantino (juror...), November 1st, 2005.
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Neither of them will be there this time next year. -- Teh HoBB (j__...), November 1st, 2005.
― Teh HoBB at work, Friday, 18 November 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)
― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 18 November 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)
― On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Friday, 18 November 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
Apparently Rodney Marsh said he expected Keane to be involved in the Old Firm game tomorrow (to which Derek Johnstone said "Aye, singing songs in the Celtic end!")
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)
In so many ways, in so many ways.
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)
Sorry for derailment, folks. Erm, really, why would Celtic need him? We've already got one aging Irish defensive midfielder.
Mind you, headlines on Reporting Scotland just now "Celtic offer Roy Keane an open invitation". Hopefully just to sit in the stand.
― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)
To be accurate, we've already got one aging Irish defensive midfielder who gets up right the noses of the fans and players of every team he plays against
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Saturday, 19 November 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 19 November 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)
for NEW ZEALAND FC haha pwn
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Saturday, 19 November 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)
That's the normally reliable Sunday People.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 21 November 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)
― calderdale in the 70s (gareth), Sunday, 4 December 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 4 December 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 4 December 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)
― Porkpie (porkpie), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)
!!!
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)
― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Monday, 5 December 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)
― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 5 December 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 5 December 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)
― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Monday, 5 December 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)
- fergie - - keane is roight.- no, fergie - - keanie is roight.- fergie -- KEANE IS ROIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)
"Don't get me wrong, I love Richard Dunne to bits, I really do, but thought he could have done better there etc etc"
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)
― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)
― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)
― We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)
You have a reputation as an outspoken and honest player, how do you think your new teammates will feel about your arrival?I'm sure they'll love me.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)
Alan Hansen in his bbc column today.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)
If he gets a chance after his run-out in the non-hoops on Sunday :)
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)
What about Cantona? Zola? Or are we talking about attrition?
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)
If you have to ask the question though, my money would be on Cantona too. He was utterly central to the winning of the league from 1992-97, and his influence on a group of players who went on to win another 3 titles and a European Cup is well-documented.
― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 00:52 (twenty years ago)
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 08:38 (twenty years ago)
Are you sure Alan Hansen isn't talking about himself?
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)
From someone on WSC board:
"This place is a fucking disgrace! You haven't prepared at all! I mean here I am, on the bench, warming up, and I need a piss. And where can I go? Back in the dressing rooms? I tell you, Sir Alex would have had urinals set up right here, next to the f*cking bench, where I need them. This is a complete bloody shambles. Strachan, you're a c*nt. You're not even f*cking Irish, what the f*ck do you know about needing to go for a piss while waiting to play for Celtic. You ginger-haired, Scottish c*nt."
― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 30 January 2006 23:16 (twenty years ago)
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)
Some questioned whether he would return to management following his tempestuous departure from the Stadium of Light. "You have to wonder who'd want him now when he has walked again," Cascarino wrote at the time, adding he would be "amazed if he got another job in football".Keane retorted: "I would not give him the time of day. I am quite happy to comment on people's opinion in football I respect, but Tony Cascarino is a man I certainly do not respect for a lot of reasons, and if I told you, you would be shocked. So the day I worry about Tony Cascarino will be a very sad day of my life."
Keane retorted: "I would not give him the time of day. I am quite happy to comment on people's opinion in football I respect, but Tony Cascarino is a man I certainly do not respect for a lot of reasons, and if I told you, you would be shocked. So the day I worry about Tony Cascarino will be a very sad day of my life."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/24/roy-keane-ipswich-town-tony-cascarino
― the pinefox, Friday, 24 April 2009 09:42 (sixteen years ago)
shocked !!!
― the pinefox, Friday, 24 April 2009 09:43 (sixteen years ago)
Cascarino's a wifebeater iirc.
― Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Friday, 24 April 2009 09:45 (sixteen years ago)
You're only saying that because he's Irish.
― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:23 (sixteen years ago)
doesn't he mean that "Big Cas" had a "Big Gambling Problem"
― Local Garda, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:45 (sixteen years ago)
x-post Big Cas not actually Irish, at all. Not even the legal Irish connections to play for Ireland.
― Local Garda, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:46 (sixteen years ago)
"Roy Keane's got 'shocking' information about me? I'd like to know what that is. Tell the world, Roy. I've got nothing to hide. But I know plenty about you that would shock quite a few people. If Roy's trying to intimidate me, it won't work. You can't bully me, Roy - Keane versus Cascarino is a fight that will go the distance.
"As for him not respecting what I say, I couldn't give two hoots. I won't lose a minute's sleep. It's funny, I never had a fallout with Roy over a decade as Ireland team-mates, but as soon as I started writing my honest opinion about the way he behaves, he didn't like it.
"Roy needs to look at his own behaviour, not mine. He needs to ask why rumours spread within the game about why many players at Sunderland weren't happy while he was in charge there.
"He should look at why he left Sunderland in the lurch, just like he did with Ireland. Will the same thing happen at Ipswich?"
picking up steam
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 12:03 (sixteen years ago)
Still surprised to see him at Ipswich. It looks like the Clough theory of needing total control with everyone totally reliant on you-as-messiah (not a bad thing necessarily, it's served O'Neill fine)
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 24 April 2009 12:29 (sixteen years ago)
except haven't they been taken over by a gajillionaire or something. agree that the manager as dictator can work fine, as long as he can delegate where he's not competent- keane's transfer record is as patchy as anybody's at premier league level.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 12:36 (sixteen years ago)
― Local Garda, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:46 (1 hour ago) Permalink
is this true? he says in his autobiography that he wasn't really entitled to play for Ireland, because his mother was adopted and not a blood relative of his irish grandfather. but elsewhere I've read that's not correct - an adoption is as good as a blood relation as far as the regs are concerned.
― joe, Friday, 24 April 2009 12:37 (sixteen years ago)
as far as regs or concerned, but in terms of assuming the wifebeatery we'll need a certificate of blood.
also- would be extremely surprised if adoption allowed you to play under fifia regs under any circumstances, probably very tightly worded, that one.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 12:38 (sixteen years ago)
he wasn't adopted, his mum was which made her an irish citizen.
― joe, Friday, 24 April 2009 12:41 (sixteen years ago)
but doesn't give him the wifebeating gene, crucially.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 13:14 (sixteen years ago)
Keane admits he cannot foresee a time when he and Ferguson enjoy a healthy relationship again.
“I wouldn’t have thought so, no,” Keane said. “He’s a busy man and I’m fairly busy."
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 09:32 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/posts/roy-keane-robot-manman-winner/
Gary Neville tells a story of texting Keane with his new mobile number, and receiving a text straight back from him, which said: “So what.”
― maybe it's a Hartlepool scarf? (onimo), Monday, 6 August 2012 15:48 (thirteen years ago)
A photographer I worked with once asked Keane to growl in to the camera. “I’m a footballer, not a fucking actor,” he replied.
"You don’t contest football matches in a reasonable state of mind."
― maybe it's a Hartlepool scarf? (onimo), Monday, 6 August 2012 15:50 (thirteen years ago)
The small details mattered to Keane. On his first day of pre-season training with United in 1993 he ordered a taxi to drive to the Cliff training ground, and followed behind in his own car to guarantee he would not get lost.
Surely getting the taxi would have been a better call?
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 09:48 (thirteen years ago)
In the summer of 1998, on the brink of his comeback, I spoke with Keane at the Cliff. He seemed like a man in a hurry, as though he wanted to make up for lost time.
Vintage deficit of self-awareness.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 09:52 (thirteen years ago)
-xpost- Maybe Roy knew he'd be criticising the driving so much he wouldn't remember the route.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 09:54 (thirteen years ago)
he didn't want to pay for a taxi back. money doesn't grow on trees fellas.
― pandemic, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 10:32 (thirteen years ago)
His property tax form just landed on my desk
― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 10:30 (thirteen years ago)
that was the trouble, everyone wanted something. even in ireland they had tried to charge me something they called "tax" on my earnings. "roy has money now, let's take him to the cleaners," they no doubt thought or said in their minds. it was bollocks. i phoned my accountant and he repeatedly tried to explain what tax was. fired.
― Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 10:40 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/jun/04/english-fa-elite-development-dan-ashworth
"Going through the pro-licence system one of the things you have to do is a study visit. The range of things people have reported on is amazing. Roy Keane did something on the All Blacks."
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 10:55 (twelve years ago)
"my week in new zealand, by roy, aged 33."
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:00 (twelve years ago)
"the collage was ruined. glitter all over my fingers now. mocking me. i rang the gaffer and... and..."
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:08 (twelve years ago)
"duct tape - did they think neil hamilton had ever used duct tape?"
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:21 (twelve years ago)
sorry i've done this meme to death but it's still funny.
i'm imaginging keane's fucking ham-fisted and patronising view of the all blacks and their success (tho actually when he did this they were probably still massive chokers anyway despite their brand.)
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:22 (twelve years ago)
Yr proficiency in the dialect is twitter worthy, if not christmas book standard
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 12:01 (twelve years ago)
i said neil hamilton instead of neil buchanan tho
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:18 (twelve years ago)
probably not as big a diff as it seems
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:19 (twelve years ago)
http://www.football365.com/f365-features/8975256/Extract365
― legitimate space monkey parable (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 October 2013 10:53 (twelve years ago)
― maybe it's a Hartlepool scarf? (onimo), 06 August 2012 15:50 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the one tho
― legitimate space monkey parable (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 October 2013 10:55 (twelve years ago)
at the kick-off the ball went back to Robbo and he cemented Robbo right away
cemented.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:06 (twelve years ago)
“so what” 4ever xp
― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:08 (twelve years ago)
Within five minutes, Barnes had not only been banjoed
― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:12 (twelve years ago)
But the self-styled "Alan Hansen generation" had good reason to tolerate this rounded mouth, jerking arm aspect, because without him there would likely be no such moniker; the 1996 title was won with kids in the team, but delivered by grown-arsed men
http://cdn.chud.com/a/a5/350x700px-LL-a57d2d57_breakingbadskylarnewiSljqeEGbH0yo.gif
― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:15 (twelve years ago)
I think that's the first use of the phrase "grown-arsed" by anyone ever
― Number None, Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:20 (twelve years ago)
felt like an incredibly cringey attempt to anglicise an americanism.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:23 (twelve years ago)
also, never heard anyone call them "the alan hansen generation" - and why would that moniker not be used if hansen had been right?
the actual moniker was the brilliant "fergie's fledglings". even when i was 12 or whatever that was dire.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:25 (twelve years ago)
well he says "self-styled" so apparently Neville, Butt etc. went around calling themselves that? Probably on nights out and so on
― Number None, Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:28 (twelve years ago)
someone should have cemented and banjoed them for that behaviour.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:30 (twelve years ago)
as was customary punishment in the near-medieval premier league days of yore
this rounded mouth, jerking arm aspectthis rounded mouth, jerking arm aspectthis rounded mouth, jerking arm aspectthis rounded mouth, jerking arm aspect
― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:36 (twelve years ago)
sounds like the start of a racist philip larkin poem
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 October 2013 12:06 (twelve years ago)
Martin O'Neill's assistant in the Republic of Ireland's new management team.
Discuss.
― midwife christless (darraghmac), Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:17 (twelve years ago)
this is gonna be fun
― subaltern 8 (Michael B), Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:19 (twelve years ago)
didnt see that one coming tbh
also surprised to see keane playing second fiddle to someone/anyone
― subaltern 8 (Michael B), Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:20 (twelve years ago)
Saw the headline this morning, didn't occur to me 'til I opened this that it wasn't Robbie.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:24 (twelve years ago)
at least we won't be short of rudderless and insane "passion"
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:29 (twelve years ago)
― subaltern 8 (Michael B), Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:20 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark
cuh, the whole poetry of trigger the dog has eluded you. keano is trigger
― r|t|c, Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:54 (twelve years ago)
fergie's office, 2005. carlos quieroz in trademark garish suit shifts in his seat before suggesting an "old yeller type situation”
― r|t|c, Sunday, 3 November 2013 11:02 (twelve years ago)
“I would have felt that, having qualified for the World Cup, it doesn’t come around too often, for some great players it has never come at all, and here was this opportunity. He was the captain of the side.
“I thought that would have been, regardless of what Roy would have felt about it before, this was a chance to participate in a World Cup and for a great player, even more so, from that viewpoint. So I would have had a disagreement with that.”
O’Neill went on to say that he had told Keane of his opinion and that the former Manchester United player responded by questioning O’Neill’s team selection for the 2003 Uefa Cup final, a match Celtic lost to Porto in Seville.
“I think I mentioned that to him and he retorted by saying he disagreed with my team selection in the 2003 Uefa Cup final. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. He said he would have probably won it. So, yeah, we’re going to have the occasional debacle.”
magnificent
― golfdinger (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 November 2013 22:28 (twelve years ago)
fuckin psyched
― golfdinger (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 November 2013 22:29 (twelve years ago)
i mean basically delaney has finally listened to dunphy and giles- ireland hasn't produced any players with any regularity since we got prosperous, playstations have ruined us, look at bosnia the other former yugoslav states and the talent there, you gotta be hungry etc
so he only fuckin imports a warzone
― golfdinger (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 November 2013 22:30 (twelve years ago)
Keeper aside the only way this is the wrong team is if it's the wrong formation (which I accept there's a decent argument for) - I don't see any of the subs available improving the team. Hartson being available might have turned O'Neill's head but idk that's pretty much his tried and tested best XI. The key factor in that team losing was diving cheating cunts iirc.
Douglas Valgaeren Balde MjallbyAgathe Thompson Lambert Lennon Petrov Sutton Larsson
Subs:HedmanMcNamara Laursen SyllaSmithFernandezMaloney
― grown-arsed man (onimo), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:54 (twelve years ago)
do you remember the guardian used to have a sweet quiz where it gave you the formation of one of the teams from an old fixture and you had to fill in the names? i think it gave you the number of letters in the surname? for some reason just thought to myself out of nowhere, there's few names in that team that i would tear my hair out over before kicking myself upon seeing the answers.
is that quiz still a thing, or archived somewhere?? someone must know.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:32 (twelve years ago)
was that the guardian? f365 used to have one iirc cos i remember that quiz but wouldnt have read the guardian football pieces at that time
― golfdinger (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:19 (twelve years ago)
The Guardian had one a few weeks back on England XIs. I got virtually none of them.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:34 (twelve years ago)
Honestly I know you were shite under Trap but the turgid predictable football you'll be playing under these two doesn't bear thinking about.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:42 (twelve years ago)
At least the off-field drama will be entertaining.
― gyac, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:02 (twelve years ago)
Football likely better
Condescension not comparable
Results likely better
― golfdinger (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:06 (twelve years ago)
You should have no problem making it to a 24-team euros, the offfield should be the priority imo
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:12 (twelve years ago)
Saipan II please, my family's arguments were fucking hilarious the first time.
― gyac, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:13 (twelve years ago)
nothing can be worse than trap. the football certainly can't be, and we won't have some on-the-make shyster bilking us out of 1m a year to insult our players and bulk up his retirement fund.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:13 (twelve years ago)
n1 dmac, it was f365 and it is indeed still there
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:14 (twelve years ago)
How much are the new lads on?
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:14 (twelve years ago)
this is how the trapp era should have ended:
jesus i'd say he'd be great tinder tho, lookin at him
― the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Monday, October 15, 2012 10:59 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
like a pile of dead leaves
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:56 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
where's your god now trapp?
a naked john o'shea cavorting outside his hotel room and banging walls tonight to irish folk music
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:57 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there never was a world cup, we just needed something to bring him to the island
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:58 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Would almost be worth all the horrifying football
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:09 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://images.supersport.com/Giovanni-Trapattoni-110711-Shouts-R300.jpg
OH GOD OH JESUS CHRIST
― Number None, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:51 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permaliink
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:16 (twelve years ago)
"The last few days have been amazing, the hotel has been great, we've had bibs and footballs so things are definitely on the up."
― pandemic, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 15:44 (twelve years ago)
"I spent years trying to please everybody and it's a waste of time and energy. You've just got to do what you think is right and get on with it."
Lol, when was this?
― pandemic, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 16:41 (twelve years ago)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10505719/Alex-Ferguson-has-a-massive-ego-and-is-still-trying-to-control-Manchester-United-says-Roy-Keane.html
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 December 2013 13:17 (twelve years ago)
does Roy have any inside knowledge as to the religious affiliations of the Pope?
― last updated 10 years ago by (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 December 2013 13:19 (twelve years ago)
The Irishman even took issue with Ferguson praising him in his first autobiography for "covering every blade of grass" in the 1999 Champions League semi-final second leg against Juventus. Keane added: "Stuff like that almost insults me. I get offended when people give quotes like that about me. It's like praising the postman for delivering letters."
this is otm and classic tho
― last updated 10 years ago by (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 December 2013 13:22 (twelve years ago)
didn't balotelli coin that? like he said, even more beautifully, of his refusal to celebrate after scoring: "does the postman celebrate after delivering a letter?"
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 December 2013 13:27 (twelve years ago)
i thought Roy might've had it from the "internal life" thread on here tbh
― last updated 10 years ago by (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 December 2013 13:33 (twelve years ago)
Insiders believe Keane chose this opportunity to retaliate against Ferguson and does not plan to keep firing back.
nooooo
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 9 December 2013 13:55 (twelve years ago)
did anyone see the cartoon of roy keane and martin o'neill... copulating, which has been doing the rounds? i've dithered over whether to post it here.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 December 2013 14:02 (twelve years ago)
Kudos on the use of 'Shook Ones Part II' in last nights Keane/Viera doc.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:19 (twelve years ago)
Ach, I forgot all about that. Any good?
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:23 (twelve years ago)
If you've read a paper/website over the last 2 days then you've practically watched the programme. Was far more interested in exploring Keane/Fergie than any Viera/Wenger stuff. I'm not sure if Viera was joking when he told Keane that deep down he's sure that Fergie still loves him. I'm pretty sure he wasn't.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:27 (twelve years ago)
That's beautiful. Also the revelation that Keane cried 'for about two minutes' on being kicked out of Man Utd. I think maybe he was meaning to downplay it, but two minutes of sobbing seems uncomfortably long, particularly if it's him doing it.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:31 (twelve years ago)
it's up in five parts herehttp://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ543CwQXprC8ruOvZM7WLw?feature=watch
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:31 (twelve years ago)
http://images.dailystar-uk.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/370000/57370.jpg
lol love it
― r|t|c, Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:05 (twelve years ago)
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 December 2013 14:02 (3 days ago) Bookmark
https://twitter.com/FootballerBoobs/status/407611004097667072
are you referring to this? whole account had me in tears tbh
― r|t|c, Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:10 (twelve years ago)
ah so that's where it came from! a friend facebooked it.
it's their faces, so perfectly realised.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:29 (twelve years ago)
yes you should see the steve claridge one
well i say "should"...
― r|t|c, Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:43 (twelve years ago)
yeah the page with all of them there at once was a bit disturbing.
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:54 (twelve years ago)
it's like mon is all "i'm so happy, love at last" and keano is "mine, he's all mine"
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:55 (twelve years ago)
death upon ye
death upon all
― #YOLTMB (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:56 (twelve years ago)
https://twitter.com/FootballerBoobs/status/410858394007138304/photo/1
but deems today's one is especially 4 u
― r|t|c, Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:59 (twelve years ago)
look at that slyly raised eyebrow, succinctly conveying "methinks the irishman doth protest too much"
― r|t|c, Thursday, 12 December 2013 11:00 (twelve years ago)
rafa out
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 12 December 2013 11:02 (twelve years ago)
if it's white and in a bottle
sorry
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 12 December 2013 11:03 (twelve years ago)
Rafa goes to the shop to buy some milk
― #YOLTMB (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 December 2013 11:25 (twelve years ago)
something something big cups
― gaze not into the navel (onimo), Thursday, 12 December 2013 11:31 (twelve years ago)
Roy's Utd dream team isn't really that challopsy if you watch the programme. There's plenty more bitter lunacy though
― Number None, Thursday, 12 December 2013 11:57 (twelve years ago)
Aside from parker that team is arguable enough
― #YOLTMB (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 December 2013 12:22 (twelve years ago)
Lack of Scholes is a surprise for me. Keane did everything Ince did but better so I'd drop Ince and put a passing midfielder in midfield.
― gaze not into the navel (onimo), Thursday, 12 December 2013 13:03 (twelve years ago)
His main criteria for inclusion seemed to be work-rate, attitude etc. but he says in the show that he'd leave himself out for Scholes
― Number None, Thursday, 12 December 2013 13:15 (twelve years ago)
Who's manager of the Keane XI?
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 12 December 2013 13:18 (twelve years ago)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2013/11/5/1383668370537/Mick-McCarthy-shakes-Sund-008.jpg
― conrad, Thursday, 12 December 2013 13:31 (twelve years ago)
Scholes never fell out with fergie
Clough manager
― #YOLTMB (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 December 2013 13:34 (twelve years ago)
he pointedly declares Clough the best manager he's ever worked for
― Number None, Thursday, 12 December 2013 13:36 (twelve years ago)
I ANSWERED THE QUESTION *pointed stare*
― pandemic, Thursday, 12 December 2013 13:36 (twelve years ago)
funniest thing i’ve seen all day this pic.twitter.com/95LUNPDmTB— chel (@chelUTD) February 1, 2021
― calzino, Monday, 1 February 2021 20:28 (five years ago)
god I love this whole thread
― oscar bravo, Monday, 1 February 2021 20:34 (five years ago)