People you were bummed to find out were right wingers.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/0/0e/Reginald_barclay.jpg/292px-Reginald_barclay.jpg

This guy is a Sci-Fi Nerd and into Star Trek. He was also Murdock on A-Team. He hosts a conservative radio show. How did this happen??

Murdock was my fave, thanks for ruining that for me!

cartooner Mark Martin

I was bummed about Mel Gibson at the time ...now it just makes his film choices make more sense.

This guy is a Sci-Fi Nerd and into Star Trek.

Wait, is this supposed to make me think he's cool?

Ron Silver, although I was more bummed out that he was dead because I didn't know he was a con until I read an obituary.

Mr T radio show: would listen

A. K. Dewdney, who may or may not be right wing (he's British, I don't know) but he IS a 9/11 'truther.' ;_;

jesus

Clint Eastwood, Dennis Hopper, various aunts and uncles, father, etc

Mo Tucker

what??

re: Ron Silver, the obits I read made him out to be siding with Bush solely on interventionist issues -- did he make a full-on conversion?

re: "This guy is a Sci-Fi Nerd and into Star Trek. Wait, is this supposed to make me think he's cool?"
nerd + star trek = progressive (or so I thought -- I can't believe anyone would be in it for the special effects and space fights)

Norm McDonald

I'm just surprised you say 'into Star Trek' instead of 'actually had a recurring role *on* Star Trek' (TNG years).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MHeQn9gfwcM/R1HLr-iduFI/AAAAAAAAAPA/aNDL1JhqYBA/s1600-R/Ben+Stein.jpg

norm?! no!

Mike Nelson

Bill "Sadface" Willingham

what?? - To be fair, I don't know the extent of Mo's political leanings, but I recall reading an interview in which she was making some alarmingly pro-censorship statements, which sort of bummed me out.

I don't love Joe Rogan or anything, but I was still embarassed for him when I learned he thinks the moon landing was a hoax.

john malkovich (tho i don't know if he's so much right wing as just wacko)

lots of old-time movie stars like James Stewart & Steve McQueen.

I was still embarassed for him when I learned he thinks the moon landing was a hoax.

I don't know if that's right wing so much as wacko, as the only person I know that really believed in that was a far left conspiracy theorist.

Mike Nelson

― Event Horizon (Nicole), Tuesday, April 7, 2009 12:18 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

For real?

Clint Eastwood is a moderate Republican. If that equals right winger in your book, then fine. He's a bit more liberal than Schwarzenegger, though they're roughly in the same spot on the political spectrum.

not that i really care about charleton heston, but when i read that he was a big civil rights dude and saw photos like this it makes me a little sad to think about what he turned into:

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/64/79/Poitier_Belafonte_Heston_Civil_Rights_March_1963.0.0.0x0.427x600.jpeg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Heston_Baldwin_Brando_Civil_Rights_March_1963.jpg

Yes, for real!

Q54 (Forrest): Believe it or not, there have actually been discussions on our discussion board about whether or not you are independent, republican or democrat. Paul Chaplin and Kevin Murphy have often shared their political views with the world. So what are yours? Are you an elephant, a donkey, or neither?

A54: Well, let me say this, I read the National Review cover to cover. Check in at Townhall.com every day. Check the Washington Times daily. Listen to Dennis Prager and Michael Medved on a regular basis. Read Mark Steyn with regularity. Read the Weekly Standard. So, yes, I do vote Republican. As the pundit Hugh Hewitt has observed, there are indeed two Americas: Serious America and Silly America. The Democrats seem bent on turning this into Silly America, so I stick with those who wish this to remain Serious America.

Of course, in addition, as angry as it makes me, I check in with the monolithic press: the NY Times, the L.A. Times, the Boston Globe. One thing I can’t do, that makes me just insanely angry, is read my local paper, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, known to many as the Star and Sickle, or the Red Star Tribune.

I don't know if that's right wing so much as wacko, as the only person I know that really believed in that was a far left conspiracy theorist.

Yeah I think this goes for 9/11 truthers too.

jesus - no way, Jesus was a total pinko.

Jesus was a hippie!

i always liked joel hodgson more anyway

mike nelson is the only bummer so far

but yeah joel is the dude

Yeah the Mike Nelson thing has been known for a while. I suspect he doesn't entirely realize that citing Hugh as Serious America might not fly these days.

Jesus was anti-semitic.

dunno about Malky, he supported Obama. although yes there are plenty of people on record calling him "very right wing"

Clint Eastwood is a moderate Republican. If that equals right winger in your book, then fine. He's a bit more liberal than Schwarzenegger, though they're roughly in the same spot on the political spectrum.

Sorta, in that neither toe the party line, but they still have very little in common in terms of political beliefs - Eastwood is a pretty hardcore leave-me-alone libertarian whereas Arnold is in the conservative Democrat / RINO grey zone.

Kelsey Grammer

Prince (Though his political opinions always seem to have been kinda unclear. His Jehovah's Witness inspired conservative comments are kinda depressing, but I'm not sure how down with the JW morals he is these days.)

Bill "Sadface" Willingham

He never really kept it a secret, did he? I agree that it's kinda bummer because he's an otherwise good writer.

joel hodgson's not... is he?

Arnold is down with teh gays, has taken aggressive anti-global warming positions, would probably legalize weed if he thought it would fly - dude is not all that right-wing. (I still pretty much hate him though)

Kelsey Grammar surely isn't that much of a surprise

Prince's politics are totally incoherent btw

xp iatee: Arnold is more than a Republican in Name Only. Jacking up the state sales tax is a pretty Republican move.

lots of old-time movie stars like James Stewart & Steve McQueen.

No offense, but I can't imagine anyone "finding out" James Stewart was right-wing. Seems kinda obvious.

actually come to think of it that retarded all-bacon diet mike nelson was doing makes a lot more sense now.

xp Shakey: I don't know if anyone is saying Arnold is a right-winger.

I was very disappointed to see that Buck Dharma has a link to the National Review on his website. I don't know whether that implies and endorsement, but I think it does.

No way is Schwarzenegger a right-winger, I don't care if there's an (R) after his name.

xxxpost

christina hendricks

xxp (which clint wouldn't do, presumably)

Christina Hendricks?!

christina hendricks

NO.

ha! I can hear our hearts braeking as one...

There seems to be a confusion here between right-wing (economically) and conservative (socially). I know in America they often overlap, but in Finland for example the prominent right-wing party is economically in the right, but socially quite liberal. Arnold would be a fine candidate for them.

is there much social conservative politics in finland?

There seems to be a confusion here between right-wing (economically) and conservative (socially). I know in America they often overlap, but in Finland for example the prominent right-wing party is economically in the right, but socially quite liberal. Arnold would be a fine candidate for them.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, April 7, 2009 2:40 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh yeah sorry, christina hendricks is a fiscal conservative, should have clarified

No offense, but I can't imagine anyone "finding out" James Stewart was right-wing. Seems kinda obvious.

where??

he seemed like a nice guy to me. (yes all Republicans are bastards ;) )

i haven't seen much of Stewart's westerns though, i could/should have noticed it there?

or Harvey > nut > republican

roy thomas

unless they are on some racist or anti-Semitic deal, i don't care.

xp to tuomas: yeah but it's more subtle than that because libertarian economics and republican economics don't overlap 100% or even 50% - which is why the ron paul / eastwood types are party outcasts.

oh yeah sorry, christina hendricks is a fiscal conservative, should have clarified

^^ nerdy chicks go for rand bigtime. if my high school experience is anything to go by. nerdy dudes too, obv.

Buck Dharma has a link to the National Review on his website

:( well damn...

is there much social conservative politics in finland?

There is a Christian Party that's conservative with many issues (the gays, for example), but it's a small party. Funnily enough the Finnish Centrist Party is socially more conservative than the major right-wing party: the centre's supporters are mostly from rural areas and small towns, whereas the right-wingers are more urban.

No offense, but I can't imagine anyone "finding out" James Stewart was right-wing. Seems kinda obvious.

where??

he seemed like a nice guy to me. (yes all Republicans are bastards ;) )

Well, Stewart was the major star in Frank Capra's films, which to me seems as Republican as things get. (They're still good though.)

Prince's politics are totally incoherent btw

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/blueeyedguy72/Funny%20Shit/prince.gif?t=1239133689

Well, Stewart was the major star in Frank Capra's films, which to me seems as Republican as things get. (They're still good though.)

Capra's politics are not as easily simplified as all that

ah Capra (yeah i like Capra films too) Mr. Deeds is supposed to be a real Democratic classic. too bad Wikipedia has nothing to offer on Capra's political stance

Hmm, I guess that was a bit of an exaggeration. If anything, I think Capra's politics are stereotypically "American", but America is generally in the right.

Frank Capra managed to fool just about everyone; even his wife was unsure of his political affiliations. Longtime co-workers who were Democrats assumed he shared their political convictions. Katharine Hepburn, who starred in his 1948 picture "State of the Union," thought him "quite liberal"; others applied the term "radical" to him. And why shouldn't they have, when Variety was calling a sympathetic character in "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town" "quasi-communistic" and The Saturday Evening Post was reporting that in the Soviet Union Capra was "hailed as a comrade"? But as Mr. McBride, the author of previous books on Howard Hawks, John Ford and Orson Welles, tells us, Capra was a lifelong Republican who never once voted for Roosevelt. He was an admirer of Franco and Mussolini. In later years, during the McCarthy period, he served as a secret F.B.I. informer.

Hmm, I guess that was a bit of an exaggeration. If anything, I think Capra's politics are stereotypically "American", but America is generally in the right.

agreed.

xpost.
woah.

Guys, Jimmy Stewart was a general in the Air Force Reserves. He flew bombers in WWII. The chances that he was a flaming pinko even by non-Hollywood standards were pretty low.

don't think "fiscal conservative" lessens the blow any

i am thinking.. what about people you were bummed to find out were left wingers, heh. (i can't think of an example but just imagine John Wayne being one :) )

i am thinking.. what about people you were bummed to find out were left wingers, heh.

Toby Keith

seeing as how I was unfamiliar with Hitchens prior to his pro-Iraq invasion screeds I'll nominate him

Y'all have some pretty indeterminate ideas about what constitutes left or right wing.

these threads aren't any fun without them

it is surprising that a large diverse group of people have a range of definitions for a vague concept

This won't be as much of a problem after the purges and re-education camps swing into full gear.

I would say the answer to the the thread question would have to be Frank Capra now.

I was a little surprised when I learned that, tbh, but Capra-corn's sentimental streak could just as easily fit into a kind of American right-wing populism as to left-wing concern about the working man. Plus, WWII turned people like Jack Warner and Dos Passos into populist Republicans.

don't think "fiscal conservative" lessens the blow any

― conrad, Tuesday, April 7, 2009

^^^ yeah i was wondering about this? "fiscal conservatives" in america are kind of more terrible people imo than say your charles heston waving his stupid gun around. the insidious "secret" racism inherent in like half of their political beliefs is astounding, and cushioning this in this bs "i EARNED my moneys" oh-but-i'm-socially-ok talk is really gross! i mean maybe it is different in famed magic land, finland, since tuomas brought up the distinction but c'mon americans.

Yeah, the moon hoax thing wasn't so much a right winger thing as a lol u serious? thing.

sorry for the rant >:[

i'm genuinely not surprised by anyone who is listed on this thread which is making me kind of :\

i tend to prefer bigots to libertarians too

http://www.davepye.com/2009/01/celebrity-republicans-and-famous-conservatives/

Chaka Kahn!
Don King!!!
50 Cent!!!!!!

(I feel like this list may not be 100% accurate)

yeah i'm not that surprised about hendricks i must say

http://cannes.glowria.fr/images/2007/03/19/bruce_willis.jpeg
yet to be mentioned

http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:1HL7htObpm0J:www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b140fd711ae.htm+famous+conservatives&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I wonder how these ppl feel about the loss of Charles Barkley

christina hendricks

i can see that. women who look like that are used to getting what they want in life, so the concept of injustice is alien to them.

Chaka Kahn = no

Although she sang at both the 2000 Democratic and Republican conventions, Khan says that she is more of a "Democratic-minded person".[4]
http://music.yahoo.com/library/default.asp?m=content&add=news&i=12046343&

Guys, Jimmy Stewart was a general in the Air Force Reserves. He flew bombers in WWII. The chances that he was a flaming pinko even by non-Hollywood standards were pretty low.

His politics aside, what makes volunteering for service a right-wing phenom?

the concept of injustice is alien to them.

more like their concept of injustice is the possibility of being denied their full, fully-deserved due

yeah that doesn't compute with me either, especially in WWII. Commie lefty Dashiell Hammett RE-ENLISTED to fight in WWII.

Y'all have some pretty indeterminate ideas about what constitutes left or right wing

Not to mention that left vs right wing means different things in different eras.

For what it's worth, John Paul Stevens still considers himself a conservative (so did the late Harry Blackmun).

"fiscal conservatives" in america are kind of more terrible people imo than say your charles heston waving his stupid gun around. the insidious "secret" racism inherent in like half of their political beliefs is astounding, and cushioning this in this bs "i EARNED my moneys" oh-but-i'm-socially-ok talk is really gross! i mean maybe it is different in famed magic land, finland, since tuomas brought up the distinction but c'mon americans.

i'll give the benefit of the doubt that there are some (not all!) intelligent, reasonable "fiscal conservatives" who have well-considered ideological beefs with the left (& Republicans, frankly) without it really being all about "i got mine, fuck everyone else"

but there's like, two.

name names!

Add Franco Zefferelli to the list... he adored Maggie Thatcher.Me thinks effiminate Italian men like a strong a mama!

28 Posted on 08/23/2001 19:17:53 PDT by habs4ever

My dad is a self-identifying fiscal conservative who would gladly pay 60% of his salary in taxes if the money were going towards technology, common infrastructure and education; even a bit to the arts wouldn't make him upset.

I think this really means that my dad is deluding himself re: his self-identification more than anything else.

Or, put another way, there is a wing of fiscal conservatism that really is saying "I won't give you my money because you won't spend it on what I care about; let me keep it and donate it to the things I care about".

At least Libertarians have a semi-coherent ideology and don't believe in American imperialism or insane drug laws. They may be living in 'Spirit of '76 land' but they don't tend to drone on inanely about God or the sin of homosexuality, or at least all the weird gun-toting, pot-growing, off-the-grid ones that I've talked to don't.

I like how those republican celeb lists are always followed with some kind of "now you know why they haven't worked in years!" statement. Oh those poor persecuted republicans. it's been a bad thirty years for them, hasn't it?

They may be living in 'Spirit of '76 land' but they don't tend to drone on inanely about God or the sin of homosexuality, or at least all the weird gun-toting, pot-growing, off-the-grid ones that I've talked to don't.

instead they drone on inanely about ayn rand and the economist

All the conservative radio talk show hosts

I liked how they had to point this out. In case, like, there was much doubt on the issue.

Not the ones I know, max. They may like Rand but they mistrust the Economist, methinks.

well there are distinctions needing to be made. I wouldn't nec. cast Ahnuld or Eastwood as "rightwingers", in the same sense tha we use the term in other threads. There's a lot of light between them and say your standard fox newsreader droid or kelsey grammer or jon voight. You have your loonier types like victoria jackson who was only exhumed during the election to attack al franken, and then your 9/11 reactionaries like ron silver, dennis miller, or David zucker who were so scared they went runnin' for mama and started repping for all sorts of authoritarian bullshit.

The most disappointing ones for me are the "fuck you got mine" badly socialized libertarian types, like mike nelson or penn & teller.

name names!

haha well, i've got an uncle and a brother-in-law who are pretty on the level without us exactly seeing eye-t0-eye on certain economic policies.

Arbitrary iPhone capitalization makes for some odd posts.

The most disappointing ones for me are the "fuck you got mine" badly socialized libertarian types, like mike nelson or penn & teller.

My suspicion is most right wing celebrities rich ppl fall into this category.

I don't mind the 'fiscal conervatives' so long as they're not social neanderthals - much of the modern world is about economic conflict and a healthy democracy requires loyal and dedicated opposition - it's the flat-earthers, the jingoists, the bigots, and the people who will never let a fact get in the way of their facile ideology, I find lothesome. Arguing about the arcana of economic policy is fine by me, if done respectfully.

i am still undecided about how much i endorse trey parker and matt stone fwiw

Michael White otm

Anyone in this country who takes a strong stand against government funding of programs that help poor people are very likely to be bigots imo. Really stupid and thoughtless at best.

Jimmy Stewart became Mormon eventually.

I still love the dude.

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I was a bit annoyed* to find out hero footballer Paolo diCanio was a proper fascist.

* mild understatement

I'd like to think that the confessional and identity politics of yore, based on religion or 'race' or nationalism can be transcended - that the Enlightenment can vanquish obscurantism - but I don't see how peoples' different interests, especially as expressed through class or regional economic differences are ever going to go away, at least not any time soon.

Really stupid and thoughtless at best.

I would make the same point, but they could point out that poor people are pretty diverse and that government intervention hinders rather than spurs growth or whatever their ideas may be. The most cogent thinkers will at least point out that not every program is as effective as an other and that the War on Poverty managed to reduce poverty to 12% but no lower. They also may not want the Federal Government deciding how localities and states spend their money. This may sound paranoid to me but then, after a big-government administration like Bush's, I can at least sympathize.

Jimmy Stewart was Presbyterian. He only made that movie because he was a fan of the Tabernacle.

Yeah, that's the thing. Lee Atwater was even quoted about how all the Reagan anti-gubmint campaigning was an extention of the Southern Strategy, where every public program not going to shore up the power and reach of authority figures was essentially free money to undeserving lazy negroes.

That is so rad a reason of Jimmy to make that weird-ass movie.

OTOH Mormons why u tell me one more lie. ;_;

I only know about that due to some "Wait a minute..." moments from the missionaries my dad has over for spaghetti.

Answer to this thread question, though: Barbara Stanwyck.

She was also a dike.

Is Mike Judge a right-winger?
If he is, I'm not disappointed - more relieved that there are dudes like him on the right.

She was also a dike.

Please insert finger joke here...

I've never been entirely convinced of this. She was married twice and had several boyfriends. I'm inclined to think she was more bi.

haha -- there's rumors about Robert Taylor too.

I'd be less surprsied, but Taylor seems to have fucked around a good bit all over. Thankfully, for his lovers, his performances were pretty wooden...

Latin American writers: Borges, Vargas Llosa.

I mean Vargas Llosa ran for pres. of Peru on a right-wing ticket and Borges' politics are also well known, but I did not know this when I first read them.

Vargas Llosa is a strange one: his novels and journalism are fairly critical of right wing autocrats. Maybe he thought he would be a good one.

James Woods

well in the case of one "reasonable" fiscal conservative i know irl, he is at least as bothered by insane heaps of cash devoured by the military-industrial complex and "corporate welfare" (not sure how he feels about the response to the current crisis) as he is 'out of control' earmark spending, and yes, some social programs. But really it's more an allergy to deficit spending in general without a detailed roadmap with clear, attainable objectives.

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Is Mike Judge a right-winger?

I kind of assumed he was so I wouldn't be bummed out, etc.

But really it's more an allergy to deficit spending in general without a detailed roadmap with clear, attainable objectives.

This is the common theme among the fiscal conservatives I know whom I would actually call "fiscal conservatives" and not "deluded partisan liars".

James Woods was a bit of shock, wasn't it?

HI DERE, OTM re: deluded partisan liars

Jon Voight

I wasn't bummed out about JV because he always seemed v. creepy to me.

I kind of assumed he was so I wouldn't be bummed out, etc.

is Idiocracy a left- or right-wing movie...?

I wasn't bummed out about JV because he always seemed v. creepy to me.

ditto James Woods. altho I do love me some videodrome

Yeah I guess I wasn't bummed out. I was kind of surprised though.

By Jon that is. I was bummed out by James.

Jimi Hendrix Kurt Cobain The Black Crowes...I Think
Motley Crue
Brian McKnight I can't think of anymore right now

from that Freeper list.

I was also bummed to hear that Sean Young didn't really crazy glue his dick to his leg.

ha, I xposted Shakey with almost identical wording RE: James Woods.

Judge seems pretty sympathetic to the Hank Hill types, but one episode of King of the HIll had Hank shaking Bush's hand and getting a Dead Zone premonition of doom and lackluster leadership vibe.

I love James Woods in the hard way. pause. Also, would eat all this frog dogs

Jon Voight's trajectory is a little weird. There's nothing I tend to mistrust more than someone who's early leftish tendancies, however naively idealistic, when confronted by a little reality veer not towards maturity but just another flavor of sophomoric enthusiasm.

I love James Woods too but never thought for one moment he wasn't anything but right wing, 'cos he can't act that well.

re Mike Judge idk... while i imagine him fairly 'c'onservative on a personal level (much like i do Obama!), "right-winger" seems a little harsh. hell, Jimmy Carter guested on King of the Hill and they didn't make him look like an asshole.

but i have no real basis other than my own fandom ;)

Jon Voight's trajectory is a little weird. There's nothing I tend to mistrust more than someone who's early leftish tendancies, however naively idealistic, when confronted by a little reality veer not towards maturity but just another flavor of sophomoric enthusiasm

Mike Oldfield would fit this description. Like anyone cares.

Dennis Hopper also kind of bums me out.

oh yeah what Philip said
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Hopper always little more than a grade-A opportunist throughout his career

Someone explain how Charles Barkley is a Republican?

Read this as "People you were bummed to find out were right whingers"

David Lynch. Ok, not traditional right-winger - transcendentalist, says he's not a political person - but is well known to have admired Reagan.

Alex, I wouldn't mind some of those old counter-culture people getting more conservative with age, but supporting the Republican Party boggles my brane.

"Someone explain how Charles Barkley is a Republican?"

Uh he's not?

Or at least not any more.

Someone explain how Charles Barkley is a Republican?

he's not anymore, and, hence, even awesomer.

This is an useful older thread:

Artists who appear to be conservative/right-wing at heart, yet are mostly lauded by liberals/leftists.

i think he was doing the talk show rounds in the mid-90s claiming he was? and that he would possibly run for office as a REpublican. afaik he wasn't joking. i do think he supported Obama

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Barkley was kind of a 'get your grubby government mitts off my hard-eanred cash' kind of Republican for a while, tho, right?

ya

David Lynch

I'm wondering if that's overstated a bit as he (I think) praises Obama and knocks Bush/Palin in the last Stop Smiling. A lot of moderate people admired Reagan in the '80s. Fucker was popular.

I'm actually surprised at Jimmy Stewart being a right-winger. For some reason I thought he had been one of the anti-HUAC liberal Hollywooders.

Barkley has a contrarian, almost cussed streak but I almost admired him for denying he had to be a role model 'cause I got the impression he took it not as an invitation as much as an imposition and he wasn't interested.

Lynch's movies an obvious conservative vibe, I'd say.

basically Barkley called himself a Republican until they went full-on socially crazy, at which point he went "wait, you guys are totally incompetent AND you full-on hate ppl" and that was the end of Charles Barkley as a Republican

He was a double-agent for Hoover.

Stewart that is.

I have no idea if that's true, but I like the idea of Stewart spying on Cary Grant.

Lynch's movies an obvious conservative vibe, I'd say.

What kind of conservative aesthetics do his movies have? I guess you could read some kind of anti-decadence theme in Mulholland Drive, but isn't Blue Velvet anti a certain kind of Reagan vision of real America? And having just seen Inland Empire recently, I can't read it as anything but a film about all kinds of liberative (and libertine) urges and drives.

"Artists who appear to be conservative/right-wing at heart, yet are mostly lauded by liberals/leftists."
Haha much overlap in threads, yet Vincent Gallo festers there alone.

Straight Story seems Reaganist, but it doesn't suffer because of it.
Inland Empire seems totally dominated by Transcendental Meditation methodology though.

I was bummed to find out that Vincent Gallo is still alive.

Is TM that right wing?

I have no idea if that's true, but I like the idea of Stewart spying on Cary Grant.

Payback for losing the Roger Thornhill role in NbNW!

His lifelong best friend was liberal Henry Fonda.

No, The Straight Storyis Reaganist compassion as practiced by someone not affiliated with Reagan, his administration, or the GOP.

i like Vincent Gallo (as actor, musician, etc.) but he is a terrible, terrible person.

and his whole public persona is obnoxious, aspie, egotistical, xenophobe, racist, anti-semitic etc etc. douche.

I was bummed to find out that Vincent Gallo is still alive.

What the hell is the company that paid him to be in the ads that are all over downtown, Alex? I want to boycott them just for being complete fools.

in the UK he is in H&M adds at the moment.

ads even

I don't know, but I recall seeing one of those billboards and thinking "eh it's Vincent Gallo? Why?"

I think in Lynch's movies anything urban is kinda dangerous (see Eraserhead, for example), sex is icky and leads to nothing but trouble (numerous examples), evil is something outside human beings (Twin Peaks), and traditional (family) values are ultimately held in high esteem (Straight Story, Twin Peaks, etc). That feels pretty conservative to me.

Oh yeah it was H&M here too!

xp. Ah, but in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me evil is not something outside human beings.

I think those are vastly over-simplified readings of those movies, but I also know that you are Tuomas.

The most threatening thing I remember from "Eraserhead" is the radiator.

I'm not saying it's clear-cut (FWWM is a good counter-example), but don't you really think Lynch's work has a more conservative than liberal vibe? To me it feels kinda obvious. Of course I was making big generalizations there, I'm not saying Lynch is a bigot or anything, and I still enjoy his work.

I think Lynch's movies are pretty far removed from what I think of as normative political discourse.

I wasn't necessarily talking about conservative politics rather than conservatism as a general worldview.

I think Lynch's movies are pretty far removed from what I think of as normative political discourse worldview.

Thankfully I find him unwatchable and hence don't care what his politics are.

we have had this "David Lynch-is-conservative" argument before and it was stupid the first time around. Like Capra, Lynch's aesthetic does not easily slot into a particular ideology.

Lynch re: politics: "I don't understand politics. I don't understand the concept of two sides. And I think that probably there's good on both sides,
bad on both sides, and there's a middle ground. But it never seems to come to the middle ground. And it's very frustrating watching it, and seemingly we're not moving forward."

supported John Hagelin/Natural Law Part in 2000 because they advocate TM as a solution to everything.

John Merrick was a lazy good-for-nothing who sponged off of the upper class and received free health care that could have been better used for Our Boys stricken down in the Crimea.

David Lynch: on brush clearing, Reagan, angry dogs
A great interview with the director, published on the day I learned that Twin Peaks: Season Two will finally be available on DVD. My favorite bit:

You were a defender of Ronald Reagan in the '80s —

No, no, no. You know, we live in a time where everything that anyone has ever said, or that someone else has said that they said, goes on some site. It's kind of cool in some ways, but then you need to explain certain things.

Well, let's get this one correct for all time.

Reagan cleared brush. That's what I liked about him. My father grew up on a ranch in Montana, and I grew up in Western American thinking, sort of like cowboys in the past on my father's side. So I liked him for that, and I liked this one speech he read early on, at some convention. But at that time, I thought of myself as a libertarian. I believed in next to zero government. And I still would lean toward no government and not so many rules, except for traffic lights and things like this. I really believe in traffic regulations. Some stop signs are really absurd. Like at night, at two a.m., I come to a stop sign, obviously, no cars are coming. And when I stop at that stop sign, I feel like a fool. It's so ridiculous. And other times, when it's heavy traffic, and the light turns yellow, I really have a strong desire to stop, and to keep the car stopped until the light turns, and then to look both ways before going forward. A lot of situations are a matter of life and death. So I believe in traffic rules.

posted by Alfred Soto at 11:05 AM

http://www.agrandillusion.com/2007/04/david-lynch-on-brush-clearing-reagan.html

evil is something outside human beings (Twin Peaks)

such a fundamental misreading, seriously

I'd be bummed if Michael Bay wasn't a right winger.

I'd be bummed if I found out Jason Statham was a right winger.

In repsponse to OP, Another "minor actor in a sci-fi series who turned out to be something of a right-winger": the dude who played Garibaldi in Babylon 5. Coincidentally he is a conservative radio host as well now I think.

The idea that science fiction fans = progressives I think probably went out with Heinlein and Starship Troopers in the 50s sadly. Now there is a whole written genre of militaristic space opera that is explicitly aimed at right-wing libertarian nutjobs and it sells rather well I believe. Actually science fiction, particularly on television, ironically has often been one of the most conservative fiction genres going.

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Dennis Hopper also kind of bums me out.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:37 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark

WAHT?! Really? If so, that bums me out as well.

Some stop signs are really absurd.

aw, my heart goes out, it must be tough being david lynch

Hopper maintains he's always been rightwing

Mike Nelson was the biggest bummer, but it hasn't ruined my enjoyment of his work.

Does he do so in a "I don't really know what I am" kind of way, or does he mean it? Does he have a clue?

xp

He tends towards the libertarian side, I believe.

he means it, in a totally self-absorbed, reactionary way

“I voted for Bush, father and son, but this time I’ll vote for Obama,” Hopper told journalists at the opening of a show on his life and work at the Paris cinematheque. …

“I was the first person in my family to have been Republican,” he added. “For most of my life I wasn’t on the left.”

(Hopper also appeared in David Zucker's rightwing hatefest "An American Carol" with Kelsey Grammar and uh David Alan Grier)

haha i remember tupac railing against following traffic rules when there was no one around (in the source or something). i don't think he was a right winger.

I tend to mistrust more than someone who's early leftish tendancies, however naively idealistic, when confronted by a little reality veer not towards maturity but just another flavor of sophomoric enthusiasm

this just reminds me how glad i was to find out David Horowitz from the 'Fight Back!' consumer show i watched growing up wasn't the same DH as the 'former black panther'/current wingnut one.

I can see Libertarian (he's got the money, the art and the lifestyle to act/be one). Reactionary seems to contradict it though.

xpost Shakey: good call.

I think what we can all take away from Dennis Hopper's public political stances is that he's an idiot.

he's great in River's Edge tho/

yeah hopper is just a shady dude, i wouldn't feel kinship either way tbh

Ha! I forgot about that, Shakey.

I am inclined to think that there is a certain kind of actor for whom being a total cretin isn't a liability.

I agree SF nerd + heinlein = conservative and garibaldi is supposed to be a gruff military dude anyway right, but star trek doesn't (at least it didn't used to) hew that way. I'm pretty sure that lady in arkansas who dressed up in full starfleet uniform for the whitewater trials isn't a mccainiac.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EDGT2Qfb0Q4/R17rYdJqmaI/AAAAAAAAADc/m8bHGVrgkcY/s200/star_trek_juror_clipped.png

Well I don't how much we can really conclude about Star Trek's politics, given that the Federation at least is a confusing coupling of post-scarcity utopia and rigid military hierarchy, that is quite content to meddle in the affairs of other races when it suits them despite protestations to the contrary. Kirk was a Christian as well I believe.

Which is to say it is basically incoherent in its political outlook - there are probably as many right-wing Trekkies as there are left-wing Trekkies to be honest; the show could easily be interpreted either way.

OST is pretty lefty. Subsequent incarnations are more muddled.

Kirk was a Christian as well I believe.

dunno where you're getting this from. I think there's only one episode in the OST that directly references Jesus, and Kirk sure doesn't act like a believer in it.

OK Kirk has some race-hate with the Klingons and such but I would be bummed to find out he's a right winger. When did he become born again?

It's also possible people confuse a purported David Lynch admiration of Reagan as being with Reagan the actor not the politician, no?

My friend once told me that Rammstein is his favourite band, which I don't know what to make of.

Makes your friend a liar probably.

Shatner's Jewish. Reasonably certain that the CHARACTER Capt. Kirk is not affiliated with any religion.

Well I am sure there is an episode where he argues against some alien religion on the basis that "there is only one God". Tbh it is a while since I've seen OST so I'm probably remembering it wrong.

Maybe "Christian" was too strong a designation!

I think you're thinking of "Who Mourns for Adonis", when Kirk tells the greek god that humanity no longer believes in "Gods" and finds "one god quite sufficient" - the reference is oblique and sorta sarcastic tho

fwiw, i think you could say that ppl of almost all political affiliation are fiscally conservative insofar as they think that gov't should spend its money efficiently on the stuff *they* think is important.

yeah think you could say anything really

which is why it's kind of a silly thing to align yourself with---if i'm in favor of a lean and effective universal healthcare (as i am) and not in favor of so-called foreign adventures and over the top defense spending, does that make me a fiscal conservative?? lol i dunno

David Lynch does love the Rammstein. It's mentioned in his imdb trivia page.

For anyone who's using The Straight Story as some kind of signifier/litmus test for Lynch's politics, bear in mind that it's only Lynch film that he didn't write (or adapt from an existing work).

Lynch also likes Masters of Reality

LOL but Kirk means 'church' in Scottish Gaelic...

i know you're joking but, pedant alter, no it doesn't.

'Pedant alert' you mean...

OK then, Scots dialect.

Fiscal conservatism re: startrek nonexistent; there's no money in the future.

Also there are no glaswegians in the future.

xpost: Rammstein have gone to a lot of trouble to make it clear that, though not a political band per se, they definitely hang to the left. Check 'em out on youtube. It's not a question of why Lynch does like them, so much as why anyone could deny their awesomeness.

Only so bummed about James Hetfield.

Xpost: I could probably think of a few reasons.

"Mike Oldfield would fit this description. Like anyone cares."

Thank you Ned for this information.

Actually I am kind of stunned! I mean he got Vivian Stanshall on the album. Stanshall!

I shared this astonishing news with my husband and he said, "I don't really care."

xp Hi Dere about fiscal conservatism: I think it's less about the government not spending money on things the fiscal conservative cares about, but in the perspective of my mother (who is also a self-described fiscal conservative), that the government, by its nature, will not spend money effectively because it is a bloated corrupt bureaucracy that is by its nature wasteful and inefficient.

I'm sincere, Oldfield is a special sort of English, existing in a very peculiar headspace.

Dave Barry considers himself a libertarian.

x-post

Also presumably was left-leaning in tubular times, hence palling around w/Stanshall.

VJ and junior high crush Kennedy

xp - seems clear from that video, that Rammstein are a bunch of lunar landing denying whackjobs.

I always thought it was "wackjobs" not "whackjobs" ...

cartooner Mark Martin

― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Tuesday, April 7, 2009 2:08 PM (6 hours ago)

This makes me sadder than just about anything else on this thread, but considering he grew up in Leeds, Alabama, I can't be too surprised.

I could have sworn that I recently read a quote or a brief interview with Dennis Hopper where he repented some of his earlier right-wingery. But I can't think of where it was and am way too lazy to look, so I'll just go with the flow and believe he's still a rabid elephant.

Well, Stewart was the major star in Frank Capra's films, which to me seems as Republican as things get.

this makes no sense at all. i mean, whether you like his films or not, the overwhelming message of capra's movies — the famous ones, anyway — is "big business = fascism."

i know that it's WAY upthread, but david lynch's Reagan love sounds a lot like Neil Young's Reagan love -- in that they were both taken by the Reagan the Cowboy mythos. of course, Neil Young ain't really no right-winger (his Reagan mancrush notwithstanding) -- i think that 1981-1988 is a blank period for him in every regard anyway.

and isn't Mickey Rourke some kind of Dubya fan?

actually, here's the telegraph article with rourke's [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/4237005/Mickey-Rourke-defends-George-W-Bush-over-911.html]views on dubya and Islamic fundamentalists[/i]. the latter is more WTF, in that he big-upped the IRA way back when.

RE: James Woods, Dennis Hopper, Bruce Willis, Robert Downey Jr., Eastwood types

Their brand of Hollywood Republicanism always struck me as being born from a disillusionment of all things Hollywood (including its politics) than anything else. None of them strike me as being ideologues or true believers.

And being someone who is pretty right-wing in a lot of ways I've found it a bit disheartening, if not embarrassing, when I see friends with left-wing beliefs (who are a solid majority) categorically dismiss half of the population simply because of politics - as thought the litmus test for being a good person consisted in having certain opinions. The secular equivalent of "shun the non-believer" attitudin'.

"I have a really interesting political point of view, and it's not always something I say too loud at dinner tables here, but you can't go from a $2,000-a-night suite at La Mirage to a penitentiary and really understand it and come out a liberal. You can't. I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone else, but it was very, very, very educational for me and has informed my proclivities and politics every since."

Robert Downey Jnr, just sounds more like an idiot than anything else.

Mickey Rourke may or may not be right-wing, but he does have an IRA tattoo and allegedly donated money to the organisation, so he is a complete dick politically.

Well, Jeffrey Archer went to pris, and came out all "oh, prisoners really do have a hard life, I never realised, so PRISONERS RIGHTS whoo etc"

So, um, yeah.

A related question: does the celebrity population have the same percentage of idiots as the general population?

higher.

Lower, I think. Most idiots never make it to Celebrity, and if one of them manages to get there, he'll most likely sprout some idiot things and will be kicked out of Celebrity.

Er, I meant "spout", not "sprout".

"Celebrity" is like Hotel California.

it's always funny when people say "I am pretty right-wing"

or when someone says it

J0rdan S.

Well, Jeffrey Archer went to pris, and came out all "oh, prisoners really do have a hard life, I never realised, so PRISONERS RIGHTS whoo etc"

So, um, yeah.

― Mark G, Wednesday, April 8, 2009 8:25 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

But Downey is saying that his experience made him move to the Right politically, whereas I think Archer became more liberal. Briefly.

so he now thinks that people should face v hard custodial sentences for drug use?

I've found it a bit disheartening, if not embarrassing, when I see friends with left-wing beliefs (who are a solid majority) categorically dismiss half of the population simply because of politics - as thought the litmus test for being a good person consisted in having certain opinions. The secular equivalent of "shun the non-believer" attitudin'.

for me the difference is when the "shun the non-beleiver" crowd gets to shunnin', it often manifests as political action that restricts rights, flies in the face of the constitution, and denigrates those of differing cultures, beliefs, non-beleivers etc...

i like to think i always welcome intelligent, respectful discourse when it comes to economics AND the 2nd ammendment, actually. me "shunning" the right when they act to restrict, rescind or deny rights which I feel are (or should be) constitutionally protected is a little different. No one is telling you not to hate and fume and speak your mind... just keep the debate honest (hi dere Fox News) and remember you are always free to ruin your and (sadly) your kids' lives; no one is forcing you to have an abortion or marry someone of the same sex or smoke weed.

Not exactly "right-winger" but what does Shane McGowan have to say about the IRA? I met this irish kid at a bar who was all delighted that he'd met Shane at a pub and that Shane single-handedly started a brawl by leading a sing-along of IRA songs. But I kind of think this kid was making it up.

oh yeah sorry, christina hendricks is a fiscal conservative, should have clarified

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like OH NOES where is my boner now?

How could Christina Hendricks support a flat tax.

She can support quite a lot, I'm thinking.

Shane McG would probably do ANYTHING that wound someone up to the point of starting a bar fight. I imagine he laughed his ass off.

Tony Blair.

Shane McG would not do Tony Blair.

people you were happy to find out were right wingers: dennis miller

david beckham :(

Jeff Suppan

"Suppan gained some notoriety outside of baseball for appearing in a political advertisement alongside other celebrities, Patricia Heaton, Jim Caviezel, Mike Sweeney, and Kurt Warner during the 2006 World Series. The advertisement aired in opposition to the Missouri Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative Missouri Constitutional Amendment 2 (2006), which protects—in Missouri—stem cell research that is legal under federal law."

it still passed :)

Dennis Miller definitely moved toward the right, though. He was always a dick but not always so spectacularly penile once.

Jeff Suppan???? most pro athletes-at least baseball players and PGA Tour golfers- are republicans. How could this be a shock?

Is anyone from SCTV...?

Isn't Bill Nye (the science guy) a semi-regular fox news dickhead?

i'm just enjoying the idea that someone was "bummed" when they found out that jeff suppan was right wing

Katharine Hepburn, who starred in his 1948 picture "State of the Union," thought him "quite liberal"; others applied the term "radical" to him.

in that awesome faber book on capra, the catastrophe of success, hepburn acknowledges that capra wasn't nearly as left as people thought. i think he even named names during the blacklist, though i forget. that book is awesome, though, and attributes his later batshittery, at least in part, to a skin condition that left his cock raw from rubbing against his clothes.

probably should of bought some underwear then

ha, ha

raw wang politics

bill nye the science guy is a big "green" guy - ed begley-style, would be surprised if he's a big rightwinger

I've found it a bit disheartening, if not embarrassing, when I see friends with left-wing beliefs (who are a solid majority) categorically dismiss half of the population simply because of politics - as thought the litmus test for being a good person consisted in having certain opinions.

There is more than one side to this. Yes, I do have friends that do the knee jerk "Eww a Republican, what a douchebag!" which bothers me on occasion, having grown up in a relatively Republican place, where there are definite distinctions between members of that party, some of whom were far douchier than others. The more tolerable ones were the small government ones that were Republicans since Eisenhower and had a sincere romanticized belief that everyone could pull themselves up by their bootstraps with help from family and community.

On the other hand, if the other people's politics involve restricting one's own rights or those of people like themselves, or just making their lives seriously unpleasant, basically being the victims of categorical dismissiveness by that other half, then it's pretty much just standing up for themselves.

i'm just enjoying the idea that someone was "bummed" when they found out that jeff suppan was right wing

indeed ... i think that it would be more shocking to find a pro-athlete who's left-wing than one who's right-wing.

Ha! Last night I deliberately avoided looking at the wiki of Bill Nye for fear discovering he'd be a right-winger. Brio gets a point:

As of July 2007, Nye and environmental activist Ed Begley, Jr. are engaging in a friendly competition "to see who could have the lowest carbon footprint," according to Begley. In a 2008 interview, Nye joked that he wants to "crush Ed Begley" in their environmental competition. Nye and Begley are neighbors in Los Angeles, and sometimes dine together at a local vegetarian restaurant.

BUT, here IS a disappointing aside:

When Pluto was reclassified from a planet to a dwarf planet by the International Astronomical Union in 2006, Nye came out in favor of the change. Nye held a conference in 2006 discussing his opinion on the issue.

I hope the ghost of Clyde W. Tombaugh haunts your environmentally friendly house, Nye!

Sports Illustrated does a PGA tour players poll every year. I think last years poll had a question about the presidential election and 98% of the respondents said that they voted for McCain.

By the way, the PGA Tour is a 501(c)(3) tax exempt charitable organization, which has to be one of the biggest scams of all time.

"indeed ... i think that it would be more shocking to find a pro-athlete who's left-wing than one who's right-wing."

still reeling from barkley. martina navritolova would be a right wing shocker. what about lpga?

I think female pro athletes tend to be more liberal. Nothing to support this, just a hunch. Plus the LPGA is mostly South Koreans in their early 20s who probably dont give a shit about stuff like this.

i bet John Daly voted Jerry Lawler for mayor

Daly votes?

would be surprised (see also: Boo Weekley)

sure, why not? just tell him it's like pulling a lever at Horseshoe Casino, except the "slots" are way "looser"

^idk what that even means...

Sports Illustrated does a PGA tour players poll every year. I think last years poll had a question about the presidential election and 98% of the respondents said that they voted for McCain.

yup the same goes for the entire football population ("soccer") at least in the Netherlands. though we got Oleguer now, Catalonia nationalist, defender of ETA terrorists thus he's usually called an "intellectual" haha. :)

charles barkley really isn't left-wing, though ... he's just a moderate Republican who's disgusted with how extreme the GOP has become.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is pretty lefty. So's Magic Johnson (I think) .. I'd be wary of making any blanket assumptions about NBA players, especially poor black guys that came from nothing.

carlos delgado!

Daly seems more like a Sam's Town kinda guy.

haha (picturing young Charles Barkley begging his father for a horse like in Barry Lyndon, then going off to Eton in a stagecoach)

Jim Bouton was pretty left-wing during his baseball career and is even more so now.

lest we forget (or lest I forget) ... bill "the spaceman" lee

are we just listing random people now

is bill 'the spaceman' lee william s burroughs?

While he doesn't exactly fit my definition of left-wing, Ken Dryden's around the centre-left of the Liberal Party, which would seem to suit the thread's definition.

Daly seems more like a Sam's Town kinda guy

probably. fun daly story: my old roomate said daly used to stay out all night at silky 0'sullivan's on beale getting so wasted he could barely move. he'd piss in his beer bottles under the table and have the waitress cart them away.

bill lee

Lee's hiliarious. You should have seen him throw that eephus pitch they talk about in the article. Makes Tim Wakefield look like Nolan Ryan.

Jeff Suppan???? most pro athletes-at least baseball players and PGA Tour golfers- are republicans. How could this be a shock?

― Bill Magill, Wednesday, April 8, 2009 12:41 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

there's Republican, and then there's I'm a dumbass who thinks evil scientists are cloning babies and jesus rode on dinosaurs.

i'm just enjoying the idea that someone was "bummed" when they found out that jeff suppan was right wing

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, April 8, 2009 1:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

b/c caring about douchebag actors is so different...

Christina Hendrix + Emma Caulfield's Ron Paul support = if we find out Amy Acker is a hawk I will officially conclude Joss Whedon has some kind of thing for tiny right-leaners. (Note: "tiny" is not in error, Christina Hendrix used to not look like that)

HendriCKS

Who is Christina Hendricks? At first I thought she was the singer for the Bangles, but then I realized that's Christina Hoff.

She's the busty redhead from "Mad Men" that has become the ILX Platonic Ideal of female attractiveness over the past year.

How could you spell it that way twice??

77 "Would Smash" thread platonic ideal, I'm not sure if they speak for ILX as a whole.

Susanna Hoff

She used to be, like, a pixieish redhead, if I'm remembering right

Wasn't she called Susanna Hoffs?

With an "s".

yes, i type poorly

Susannah ... crap. Yeah, that's right.

George Huff

Hoffington

Hoff the Magic Dragon

i can't believe Susanna Hoffs is a right winger. rip

Okay I did a Google Image Search ... she looks like a red headed version of Angelina Jolie. I can see the appeal.

I think the blonde woman in Bangles was called Michael. And she sang with a low voice, and all that was cool.

It's because of her male stalker from the Lifetime channel. xxp

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I don't think Susanna Hoffs looks like Angelina Jolie at all!

Where's the evidence that my beloved Susanna is a right winger?

does drew carey count? he kind of sucked already

The evidence : her name is kinda like Christina Hendrix, except that it's not.

Why do we assume that Michael Knight is a right-winger?

I really can't tell who's being serious and who's kidding

Yeah, the kind of transspecies relationship he had we KITT reeks of dirty liberals! And don't forget KITT was black! And when the original KITT died and they built a new white KITT, it sucked, and they had to make a new black KITT.

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very upset to hear that Lisa Kudrow (RIP) is a rightwinger

KITT killed Lisa Kudrow?

Kudrow was a right winger when she was alive.

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http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/winger/winger1.jpg

just wanted to join in the chorus of rip fidel castro

nothing right about that winger.

wiling to hear arguments made for this one though.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_A0ElUTei6SQ/SCtfwsi3CDI/AAAAAAAAAnE/Mj1-u3z-Qrc/s400/0213_debra_winger_before_full.jpg

Winger dude on left has similar hairstyle to Susannah Hoffs.

Summer Glau is a Freeper.

Wikipedia tells me that Glau is, among other things, a Texan, a vegetarian, and an animal-rights person

an ANIMAL LIBERTARIAN

Hate to go there, too, but Christina Hendricks was kind of busty even on Firefly.

where does hendricks talk about being a conservative?

Judging by recent national response to her, she was probably just talking about conservation, and a bunch of dudes were distracted and misheard

Answered on behalf of LVG- Angel Di Maria

TV magician Paul Daniels

i wanna say Alex James? Or did it turn out he's just a massive prick?

I think he was always a massive prick but we've since discovered he's a right wing wanker as well.

Krist Novoselic

I think the blonde woman in Bangles was called Michael. And she sang with a low voice, and all that was cool.

Trying to figure out whether this was a deeply submerged joke about the fact that her name was Michael Steele, same as that of the former RNC chair.

"I love it in YOUR room at night!"

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--FWY9P7YS--/18k418czjn2m7jpg.jpg

David Mamet

myself

How was your ox gored?

TV magician Paul Daniels

― aaaaablnnn (abanana)

come on daniels positively screams tory

Krist Novoselic

seems like Colonel Poo is engaging in binary bullshit, maybe...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krist_Novoselic#Political_and_social_activism

xp I'm not sure Alex James is particularly right-wing. I think he's pretty much apolitical unless I've missed something. A picture with David Cameron doesn't tell you much.

he's a big right wing Tory fucking wanker

as "apolitical" people often are

he's supposed to have had the Camerons over for new year's

Smell my cheese? Get tae fuck!

he certainly was the odd one out in his band of hardcore working class Trotskyites

xp: very recent bullshit from Novoselic here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-e57H4xWhA

hitler

seems like Colonel Poo is engaging in binary bullshit, maybe...?

Not sure what you mean by this tbh

very recent bullshit from Novoselic here

lol @ Kennedy being on Fox Business of course that happened, fucking GOP harpy

that being said the most rightwing thing Krist says there is that maybe Citizens United ruling is not so bad. He's always been pretty lefty in other public positions he's taken afaik

True, but the Citizens United bit is bad enough, right down to the rhetorical dumb-ass "what's wrong with citizens uniting?" nonsense.

Novoselic also discussed the anarchic tendency of Republican Party rhetoric and pointed to megachurches as examples of anarchic institutions, “You have people making their own way and making these structures, and there are these megachurches, and they have their own day care, they have auto repair, they offer people benefits, insurance, and so they’re making these structures. They’re collectives is what they are. It’s anarchism.”

A couple of leftists in 2010 said that CU didn't seem so terrible. I'm sure they'd change their minds (dunno if Greenwald is a leftist tbh).

“You have people making their own way and making these structures, and there are these megachurches, and they have their own day care, they have auto repair, they offer people benefits, insurance, and so they’re making these structures. They’re collectives is what they are. It’s anarchism.”

this is not entirely inaccurate

except for the whole for-profit part

(assuming those megachurches make money, I don't really know)

I feel fairly comfortable calling "anarcho-capitalist" libertarians "right wing" ymmv

is that what megachurches are?

That's what Krist Novoselic is

I don't think Novoselic is talking about any specific megachurch political positions there as much as he's pointing out that they're organizing principle - community-based collectivism - is similar to anarcho-collectivist principles. which is correct afaict. Anarchism isn't really either left or right wing imo, it's sort of outside that dichotomy.

maybe he was trying to insult megachurches?

"we dig deeper and we blow you higher!"

A couple of leftists in 2010 said that CU didn't seem so terrible. I'm sure they'd change their minds (dunno if Greenwald is a leftist tbh).

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 4, 2015 6:21 PM (4 minutes ago)

the ACLU also supported CU on free-speech grounds

Oooh hello, this is Gary Numan...

'hillary clinton'

wd be disappointed to find out Gary Numan *wasn't* right wing. It's become an important part of the, uh, mystique.

xp You know that grown-ups can hold a range of opinions that don't restrict them to a simplistic left/right binary, right?

I understand some Tories are squeamish about recognizing their essential Toriness

I remember Killing Joke were 'regarded' as right-wing (the non-fascist, non-racist, less extreme way), until one day Jazz stated in an interview that his views were primarily left wing, at which point they stopped being 'regarded' as right-wing etc.

Let me guess, left libertarian?

Either with us or agin us

I think the blonde woman in Bangles was called Michael. And she sang with a low voice, and all that was cool.

Trying to figure out whether this was a deeply submerged joke about the fact that her name was Michael Steele, same as that of the former RNC chair.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), 4. marraskuuta 2015 15:56

I don't know what "RNC" is, or why they give human names to their chairs. I was just saying that as a kid I thought it was cool that one of my favourite bands had husky-voiced female musician named Michael.

church of krist, anarcho-collectivist

Hand the reins to the fake Tuomas account to someone else. That was weak.

You're right, I'm sorry.

It's ok. Just don't let it happen again.

lol at even questioning the profitability of megachurches. The idea that they're a con stems largely from the fact that they harness the individualist impulses of their congregations to amass wealth on behalf of their pastors/leading personalities who largely retain control of it. I'd imagine that dynamic puts them at stark odds with core anarcho-collectivist principles.

A megachurch offering day-care, insurance, benefits etc. to its members is no different in principle to a locally centered corporation doing the same. To characterise it as "people making their own way and making these structures" is simply false when in the vast majority of cases such initiatives aren't corporative structures emerging organically out of demand/need, but hierarchical directives passed down to generate streams of revenue, loyalty and outreach.

Plus, every business is started by people.

, my friend

Not 100% on these but...

Andrew WK recently started podcasting with Glenn Beck and has appeared on Fox News many times in the past 10 years. Also, Josh Homme & I've heard some speculation regarding Stephen Malkmus, although ultimately it doesn't matter than much to me for people like these who aren't idiots and don't care to make politics a huge part of what helps sell their brand. Although again, I'm not 100% on these.

malkmus tweeted about having a bernie sticker recently and likes obama. but i've also heard he's more conservative than people think?

oh well

Malkmus seems p lefty from his twitter account, yeah.

people you were bummed to find out got an atrocious haircut: Kennedy

malkmus tweeted about having a bernie sticker recently and likes obama. but i've also heard he's more conservative than people think?

oh well

― global tetrahedron

I can totally see spiral stairs as a libertarian fuckwit.

I really don't think Andrew WK holds any real political views. Someone at FOX News just likes him

he belongs to the party party

myself

― Mordy, Wednesday, November 4, 2015 11:05 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:-P

it's been a while since i heard this but, robert downey jr.

he's p cagey about it but his right-wingery would make total sense

reformed-gay rightwinger

i'm not exactly "bummed," and idk if he's really part of the hollywood republican set. he's said in the past (something like) you can't go through prison and come out a liberal.

in the vast majority of cases such initiatives aren't corporative structures emerging organically out of demand/need, but hierarchical directives passed down to generate streams of revenue, loyalty and outreach.

otm right here.

tho i wouldn't be opposed to anarchist collectives receiving massive tax subsidies for spreading the anarchic gospel and purchasing real estate

90's New Labour stans like Steve Coogan who are unreconstructed Tory cunts but have this precarious, delusional self image of their socialist virtues because of a lower m/c background or because they voted for Kinnock once. People like this are far more insidious and repulsive than Lord Webber to me. I am never surprised when any public figure turns out to be a self interested right wing type though.

people you were bummed to find out got an atrocious haircut: Kennedy

― vlade dvorak (rip van wanko), Thursday, November 5, 2015 4:44 PM (4 hours ago)

bobby kennedy had a good haircut!

steve coogan's guardian article during the labour leadership election in which he said look I'm rich and it doesn't really matter to me if the uk has a tory government or a labour government therefore I can objectively say that andy burnham is the best was weird

lol, missed that one. Thinking Andy Burnham is the best isn't necessarily the sign of unreconstructed tory cuntishness though- it's more the attitude towards Corbyn that shows their true colours.

appearing on fox news isn't necessarily a definitive statement. i'm told that father damian has a standing invite to appear on fox news's overnight program, as the host is a huge fan.

theo walcott.

he still thinks he's a striker though

lol at even questioning the profitability of megachurches. The idea that they're a con stems largely from the fact that they harness the individualist impulses of their congregations to amass wealth on behalf of their pastors/leading personalities who largely retain control of it. I'd imagine that dynamic puts them at stark odds with core anarcho-collectivist principles.

A megachurch offering day-care, insurance, benefits etc. to its members is no different in principle to a locally centered corporation doing the same. To characterise it as "people making their own way and making these structures" is simply false when in the vast majority of cases such initiatives aren't corporative structures emerging organically out of demand/need, but hierarchical directives passed down to generate streams of revenue, loyalty and outreach.

― tsrobodo, Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Plus, every business is started by people.

― Mark G, Thursday, November 5, 2015 3:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

with the exception of church, i suppose.

Andrew WK did a mostly kayfabe-breaking interview with Tom Scharpling a couple of years back where he talks about the weirdness of being at the Fox Network, and emphasized not being any near Fox ideologically. It's part of his charming positivity schtick.

Gordon Brown

http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Savile-Brown.jpg

I was very surprised to hear Moe Tucker being thought of as a Tea Party affiliate whenever word was going around about that. Not sure if that was a totally accurate story but does seem she was much more conservative than the rest of the band, or the fact taht she was in that band at all might suggest.
Would think she was something of a female musical icon.

Yeah, Moe's pretty clear cut, not that I ever thought the Velvets were left-wing. Why would you?

http://www.stereogum.com/550602/moe-tucker-explains-tea-party-affiliation/top-stories/

Don't see many of these names here, but perhaps they should be - http://www.motherjones.com/media/2009/07/im-rand

Is this thread reserved for "famous" people?

Because I want to say my mom. Very disappointing.

Finding it really ironic after the last week's facebook posts that i had any doubt that MOe tucker was a right winger. She's just upped a Britain First meme and had some people wondering if she knew who they were while others said yeah she does, which is why she posted.

I always thought that music as transgressive as the Velvet underground would be made by forward looking people which I associate with the left. So finding it really creepy to find out what Moe's views are.
Not sure what anybody else in the band would be saying right now. Wonder if there has been any reaction from either Yule or Cale to what Moe tends to put on her Facebook page.

I always thought that music as transgressive as the Velvet underground would be made by forward looking people which I associate with the left.

So much wrong with this sentence tbh.

A lot of the new school "Islam is not a race so I can't possibly be a racist BOO-YA" types act all uncomfortable to be associated with bad right-wing Nazi types -- but they get over that discomfort after a while, I have noticed.

I'd definitely be surprised if someone from the VU started expressing conservative views on queer/gender/sexuality issues. Otherwise, it would never have occurred to me to associate them with left-wing politics. (Plenty of transgressive music has been made by people from all over the political spectrum.) It was a pretty big shift when Reed started doing some political songs in the 80s, wasn't it?

I only know the broad outlines of Moe's career, but a lot of people who were involved in 60s drug/transgressive culture ended up turning their backs on it or going normal. First of all she was in a band that seemingly had contempt for hippies, after she left music she ended up raising kids and working at Walmart, had a career resurrection in the late 80s thanks to a noted libertarian.

had a career resurrection in the late 80s thanks to a noted libertarian.

Jad Fair is a libertarian as well? Fuck.

meant Penn

Cale's solo career indicates some p lefty tendencies

son of a coal miner isn't he? can't see him being anything but

I only know the broad outlines of Moe's career, but a lot of people who were involved in 60s drug/transgressive culture ended up turning their backs on it or going normal.

moe tucker was always kind of an outsider to that "scene" as she takes pains to explain whenever asked. it's obviously way more complicated (and sad) than this but in some ways her experience in the VU was the exception, not the rule, in her life.

she did quit rock n' roll to settle down and have five kids

Then returned for the early days of Sun City Girls from what I can remember. Or was that pre-retirement.
I saw her in the UK in the late 80s singing a lot of songs about blue collar work.

My first love, Stacey Dash

just noticed that Margi Clarke follows the batshit rightwing cartoonist Ben Garrison on twitter, on further investigation she seems to be a Trump supporter :(

Teddy Ruxpin. I put a rock and roll tape in his player and he spat it out and said play some classical music instead

Margi Clarke is a disciple of David Icke, which does manifest itself as anti -Clinton, pro-Russia, etc conspiracy theorising but has...other roots than traditional right-wing politics.

yes, she seems more of a conspiracy theorist than trad right-winger. she follows a depressingly high number of "white genocide" types on twitter, though.

I managed to miss this at the time, somehow:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/britain-first-meme-shared-by-chuckle-brother-barry-elliott-sparks-fury_uk_56f01a2fe4b0cc1ede8c7082

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56f033391e00008700704d99.png

(though he may well have been unaware of its provenance, tbf)

I am more surprised that one of Chuckle Brothers is roughly the same age as Cannon & Ball than that he is standard UKIP supporting scum. Lol, you inspired me to check Bobby Ball's twitter account, it seems very benign in comparison + quite touchingly seems dominated with lots of retweets of people talking about how funny Cannon & Ball were. They are probably both right wingers as well tho:p

Cannon & Ball were born agains at some point iirc, obv that usually comes with a particular kind of right wing territory but maybe they're not evangelical about it

fucking disappointed with Barry Chuckle tho, surely the correct response for an expat terrorist should be to bounce them backwards and forwards between countries in a "to me, to you" motion

xp they published this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41NZG19R78L._SX293_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

The place where my dad worked in Morley organised a christmas trip for the employees kids to see Cannon & Ball at Bradford Alhambra doing Jack & the Beanstalk. I loved those guys back then and even kept the faith with them when Boys in Blue hit the cinemas years later.

http://www.cannonandball.com/images/MainPageImage/Jump.png

Billy Pearce had the alhambra sown up!

http://www.its-behind-you.com/bradfordpantos.html

xp niche-interest message boards that are surprisingly un-vibrant in 2016

bummed to find out Goofy is extremely right wing

Erik Lamela

Where did this Christina Hendricks is right-wing thing originate, btw?

As far as I can tell, especially after listening to her episode on Janet Varney's JV Club podcast a couple years ago, she's mum on politics other than social issues, at which point she seems quite progressive.

Chuckle Brothers simultaneously on two different threads.

that's no way to talk about Fred B

benjy bronk