George Lucas, sometimes accused of reinforcing racial stereotypes with his movies, has done it again, according to critics. Latino critics in particular charge his latest Star Wars epic, Episode II: Attack of the Clones, toys with American paranoia about Mexican immigration with its cloned army of swarthy lookalikes who march in lockstep by the tens of thousands, and ultimately end up serving as Darth Vader's white-suited warriors. Modeled on bounty hunter Jango Fett, the clones, we're told, are genetically modified for docility and obedience. The breeding project, conducted by long-necked aliens who look like refugees from Close Encounters of the Third Kind, takes place on the planet Kamino -- soundalike for the Spanish word "camino," which means "road" or "I walk." Temuera Morrison, the actor who plays Jango, is a New Zealander of Maori descent. But that didn't get in the way of some members of an eight-person Detroit News panel assembled to review the film. "He looked totally Latino," says Martina Guzman, a Detroiter who's managing a State House election campaign. "And his kid," says Wayne State history professor Jose Cuello, referring to the young Boba Fett, "looked even more Latino." It reminds Cuello a little bit of "those Reagan ads in the 1980 campaign, that suggested if Nicaragua went communist, you'd have wild-eyed Mexicans with guns running across the California border." A flabbergasted Lucasfilm spokeswoman, Jeanne Cole, says "This is the first we've heard of this. Star Wars," she says, "is a fantasy movie filled with creatures and aliens from all different planets and universes and galaxies. There is no basis for this." Lucas was in Cannes and could not be reached for comment. The celebrated mythmaker has been through what some might call the p.c. mill before. In 1999, a furor erupted over The Phantom Menace's Jar Jar Binks, a floppy-eared alien whom some read as a sort of Stepin Fetchit by way of the West Indies. "Everyone I've ever spoken to says there's a Rastafarian element to his speech, his walk, and in his 'dread' ears," says copy editor Robert del Valle, who was on The News panel with Guzman and Cuello. But such allegations were dismissed as "absurd" by Lucas in a Thursday interview published in the Washington Post. "People say, 'He sounds Caribbean.' Well, he doesn't. He's a complete invention. It's a different language. Just because he speaks with that accent doesn't mean it's a racial stereotype." The interview did not address the clone issue. A somewhat muted Jar Jar makes another appearance in Clones, but it is the dark-skinned Jango-copies that seem to have caught some audience members' attention this time around. Still, not everybody's buying it. Harry Knowles, on-line film reviewer and author of Ain't It Cool: Hollywood's Red-Headed Step-Child Speaks Out (Time Warner), says the whole Jango ethnic premise is "reading racism into something that's not there -- it's just in the minds of the viewers. It's like calling Jar Jar racist when all he is is Bullwinkle." The Jango dispute surfaced in internet chat rooms devoted to Star Wars days before the movie's release, says panelist Gary Anderson, the artistic director at Detroit's Plowshares Theatre and longtime Star Wars student and critic. If the planet name "Kamino" caught some Latinos' attention, three Arab-Americans on The News' panel seized on the fact that Jango's son calls him "Baba." "I frankly think the bounty hunter is Arab," says college counselor Imad Nouri of Royal Oak. "He's basically a terrorist," explains Nouri, "and 'baba' is Arabic for 'father.' " Such allegations have a long history in that galaxy far, far away. A number of observers noted that the 1977 original was, at least at the human level, an all-white party -- looking, in Anderson's words, "like the Ku Klux Klan's fantasy of the future." The only exception was Darth Vader's basso-profundo voice, supplied by African-American actor James Earl Jones. Which leads to all sorts of ironies, intentional or not: Darth Vader has a black man's voice when he's bad, but in Clones -- before Anakin Skywalker does the Darth-thing and defects to the Dark Side -- he's a white guy, played by Hayden Christensen. The big question lurking beneath all this ethnic deconstruction: Could any of this possibly be deliberate? For their part, The News' panelists were divided. "The plot is so superficial," says Cuello, "I don't think they could possibly have any deliberate intent about manipulating images." Like almost everybody who commented on Lucas, Anderson doubts there's anything malicious going on. "If your entire world perspective is based on 1950s TV and films, what do you expect?" he asks. "Garbage in and garbage out." For her part, Guzman was astonished that, given the Jar Jar flap, Lucas didn't scrutinize everything a little more critically this time around. "He's been criticized before," she says. "So he had a choice." It's not that she's opposed to Latin-looking baddies per se. She just wishes the occasional swarthy good guy would get as much on-screen time as the villain. "Jimmy Smits had all of two lines in the whole movie," Guzman says. "And Samuel Jackson had like five. Then there's the bad guy." For pop-culture professor Robert Thompson at Syracuse University -- who has yet to see Clones -- the issue boils down to whether Lucas really wanted to tweak Anglo fears. He's inclined to say no, attributing Lucas' occasionally confusing choices to "a certain degree of cluelessness. Look at Jar Jar Binks. The moment that guy comes on the screen, you wonder what in the world they were thinking. This isn't 1957. Didn't anybody say, 'Have you paid attention to what this guy is doing?' " The sad thing, he says, is that the Star Wars saga is also "about tolerance and dignity. But then you've got this 'camino' thing, which sounds a little creepy, and swarthy people who march in uncountable masses." Thompson calls the imagery in Star Wars a "great big Rorschach test, not just for the people who watch the movies, but for Lucas himself." With the latter, that leads him to two possibilities. "One is that this is coming out of the id of the creator without translation -- a West Coast fear of the Latino population in America." (Lucas grew in the 1950s in Modesto, Calif., the agricultural town immortalized in American Graffiti, and one visited annually by thousands of migrant workers.) The second hypothesis, he notes, is that it's all deliberate -- a way to prompt deep emotional response in audiences by probing "a phobia that's afoot in America. And that's the scarier interpretation." Or, as some argue, perhaps it's all stuff and nonsense. Knowles at aintitcool.com keeps emphasizing on the fact that Temeura Morrison, the actor who plays Jango, is Maori. When asked how audiences are supposed to know that, he says, "How can you tell? You stay for the end credits. Is his name 'Raul Julia?' No." But even if Jango was meant to be taken as a Latino, others just don't see a problem. "At least we're in the picture," says Hollywood producer Michael Gonzalez with a laugh. "I mean, what did we have before -- Lt. Torres on Star Trek? It's just a movie," he says. "It's just fun. And you're going to hit a stereotype one way or another. At least we get some screen time." In any event, Guzman doubts most Hispanics will notice, if only "because they're so used to seeing images like that of themselves -- little dialogue, always being the bad guy. It's going to take the intellectual community to call Lucas on what he's doing." Latinos are now the nation's largest minority. But box-office analyst Adam Farasati -- who argues Hollywood rarely takes minority concerns into consideration -- doesn't see any collateral damage to the film's profits. "The only real issue is that Attack of the Clones is one of most anticipated movies of all time," he says from RealSource's Los Angeles office. "And beyond that, any type of media attention -- even negative -- really just creates more hype for a film that has hype coming out its ears."
― keith, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― fletrejet, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chupa-Cabras, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― mike hanle y, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
My own view is that scratch a hippy's surface, and you'll find a Reeganite tyrannical corporate beast itching to get out ad make as much money as possible, as cynically as possible.
― Nathan Barley, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Josh, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
AOTC is still rub, though
― DV, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Therefore George Lucas IS A NAZI.
― Archel, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alan T, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
like i said sorry for being naive.
― katie, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Matt, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― N., Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
So what? Cliff Curtis, a Maori actor, has played all sorts of different races in films, for example his character in Three Kings was Iraqi.
― haloist, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
ELIZA!
― mike hanle y, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
George Lucas is ANTI-ARAB? What a bastard.
What I'm complaining about here is not really stereotyping but (a) artistic laziness, insofar as he proves himself unable to make up decent aliens that aren't basically cribbed from exaggerations of Earth-bound ethnic differences, and (b) well, reinforcing the vague perception of white people that they are the "normal" center of the universe and just happen to be surrounded by all sorts of often- stupid and often-evil weirdos.
― nabisco%%, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― David, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
and Watto does seem to be genuinely pleased to see Anakin again in AOTC.
while we are on the whole subject of race in Star Wars, it should be pointed out that all the Imperial officer characters are i) human and ii) white. I think the first part at least is deliberate - part of the Imperial thing is a Human-first ideology.
― DV, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
oh fer crying out LOUD, Star Wars is about a bunch of people flying around IN SPACESHIPS, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away... call me naive but this is all Star Wars has ever meant and ever will mean to me. i have never even begun to think that any of it had any racial/racist intention, in fact the whole straightforward Good Vs Evil thing has always appealed to me simply because it's (yawn blah blah) a story As Old As Time Itself and you don't HAVE to map any problems of any kind onto it at all (this is what i think about LotR as well for what it's worth). having said that i haven't seen episode II yet but i bet when i do i won't be RUINING by going "oohh i counted 14 black Jedis and 3 Asian Jedis and 67 white Jedis", i'll be going "WHUP THE ASS OF EVIL WITH YR LIGHTSABRES!!!".
-- katie, Monday, May 27, 2002 8:00 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link
ah, old ilx
― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)
WHO IS JAR JAR BINKS? DEUX
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)
is there no racism in britain or are british people all just dumb
― max, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)
"meesa wash your windows for 2 dollah"
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)
http://i4.tinypic.com/29o1teq.jpg
― gershy, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)
they airbrushed in the blackness
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
george lucas's date special edition
― max, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)
they shouldve airbrushed out the flesh-colored neckbrace
― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.rockyjay.com/chewie_leia.jpg
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
Oye flaca, este sudaca quiere tener sexo con caca Kinky, peludo como Chewbacca
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)
I come from a place where everyone is a racerst so I don't find it all too crazy.
-Jim Swells
― murderdogger, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)
Curious, the implication in the original article, that the fact that the actor was Maori rather than Latino excuses Lucas from the charge of racism. The point is, surely, that once again in the Lucas mindset, the evil and nasty characters are rarely white Americans. They are, in the main, a mixed bag of American minorities and Johnny Foreigners: swarthy, untrustworthy, foolish, greedy, dishonest and cunning. Some of them are cute, strong, and loyal sidekicks, jabbering away in a foreign tongue - trustworthy chattering natives who help our intrepid explorers through the wilds. Once in a while there's a patrician, obviously English, evil guy - another Hollywood mainstay. It's a paranoid mindset.
― moley, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
Isn't the original series basically all evil brits?
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)
There should be a board called I love outing racists and then you can just ignore it.
― I know, right?, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)
Don't know about racist, but he could definately be accused of sexism. There's like, what, one female Jedi in the whole saga and she doesn't do anything except get shot by some clones.
― chap, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)
Mon Mothma = lesbian
― blueski, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)
The point is, surely, that once again in the Lucas mindset, the evil and nasty characters are rarely white Americans.
rarely, like, other than the most evilest nastiest characters of them all.
― rockapads, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 04:09 (eighteen years ago)
"is there no racism in britain or are british people all just dumb"
no, those moved to the us.
― stevienixed, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 04:10 (eighteen years ago)
i mean, the dumb ones. just trying to make it crystal clear.
― stevienixed, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 04:11 (eighteen years ago)
wow. people will read any old shite into any old shite.
― pc user, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)
Yup. it's sometimes called projection.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)
If I do that too much, MAN it costs so much to replace the bulb.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)
I don't understand the disconnect here at all.
I'm willing to believe that perhaps Americans read race into things that it may not be coded into (even though I believe that race, as a social construct, is coded into everything). Is it so implausible to so many British people (obv not all) that perhaps this series does say a thing or two about race, whether or not you see it?
Lots of protestations, it confuses me.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:52 (eighteen years ago)
well i think the issue is that people are accusing Lucas of coding it into his films, intentionally, when that really isn't the case and it's - like you say - projections by people who quite obviously have a personal problem with race themselves, and perhaps a grief with George Lucas.
― Ste, Thursday, 27 December 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)
I don't think any intelligent people are accusing Lucas of maliciously putting subliminal racism into his films. The point is that his films have things to say, intentionally or not, about race. Whether he intends to say XYZ about (say) Mexicans is sort of besides the point: these films aren't just products of Lucas's imagination, they're products of the society he lives and works in. They're windows into the hopes, fears, and fantasies of the culture they come out of.
Isn't it thus plausible that, regardless of GL's intent, there are messages about race in his films?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:12 (eighteen years ago)
people are accusing Lucas of coding it into his films, intentionally
Oh c'mon, it's a very basic tenet of any media criticism that intention is only part of the equation, that all sorts of fucked up (as well as wonderful) things can be found in a work without the artist meaning to put them there, and that lack of intention doesn't negate them being fucked up.
Do I think that Lucas meant Jar Jar as a character in blackface? No, but if you put in a character who with some pitch shifting and the removal of a few terminal vowels is a dead ringer for a bit player in Bamboozled, you're betraying some screwy issues with race, regardless.
― en i see kay, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)
Oh, shit. What HOOS said.
― en i see kay, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)
don't forget he also hates fat people
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)
mos eisley cantina sequence in the first one says so much more about race relations than fucking jar jar
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:17 (eighteen years ago)
haha, a few months ago i watched all the star wars movies again for a bar trivia thing. we had to get wasted to get through the new ones, obv., and part of the drinking game was "drink for every time an alien is a thinly-veiled ethnic stereotype".
― Jordan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)
in the prequels there's jar jar, the sleazy italian thing with wings, the crooked japanese businessmen aliens...
― Jordan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)
1: bar (klezmer?) band does not accept musicians of other ethnicities
2: gangsters are so desperate for friends that they are the only cultural segment in the entire universe that hangs out in polyspecies groups
3: white humans not worth fucking with, probably because they are the dominant species of the empire; if they want to maim and kill some other folks in a bar it's best to just roll with it
4. homosexuals not allowed in criminal underworld bars
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:21 (eighteen years ago)
i don't know if he's racist. he does have a bunch of slaves that live on his ranch though.
― akm, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:21 (eighteen years ago)
it's also funny how by the end of the first trilogy the rebellion has finally let non-humans assume combat positions. that's civil war for you. desperate times.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)
You prefer another target, a MILITARY target?
http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/stroheim/347/img_tarkin01.jpg
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)
-- El Tomboto, Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:17 PM
ooooooooooooooooooooootm
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)
best argument for lucas' cultural cluelessness?
Jizz From Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki. Jump to: navigation, search This article is about the musical genre. You may be looking for the instrument.
Jizz was an upbeat, swinging genre of music, most notably performed by the Modal Nodes and Max Rebo Band. Subgenres of jizz included the styles of Jizz-wail, Aubade, and Glitz. Also, Jatz is slightly similar to Jizz.
Other notable jizz bands included Bobolo Baker's All-Bith Band, Evar Orbus and His Galactic Wailers, Hutt, Figrin D'an II and the New Modal Nodes, and The Sozzenels.
― Jordan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)
Jizz (instrument) From Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki. Jump to: navigation, search
The jizz was a long-reeded instrument that was, as its name implies, the core of any jizz band
uh, i'm pretty sure that the jazz/jizz connection is as old as jazz/jizz itself
― remy bean, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
etymologically, i mean
shoo-doo-shoo-bee-ooo-bee
― remy bean, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)
I read the winged slave-trader thing as more of an Arab/Middle-Eastern stereotype (check nose), but either way, the upshot seems to be that hey, our greedy amoral trader guy should be hairy and have a big nose and a monobrow and a very thick accent.
I believe I have seen something where Lucas actually says the voices of the Trade Federation guys were based on his heading radio broadcasts from Taiwan and (evidently) thinking "that's exactly the right voice for my whispery obsequious evil dudes"
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)
I want to get back to this though since I just realized it's true:
is there any other scene besides this one, in any of the movies, where large numbers of multiple types of aliens are all hanging out together? I know it was because they had no budget at the time and just raided the studio lots for old monster masks but still
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)
that doesn't make it any less wtf to actually call it "jizz music" in what's basically a kid's movie.
― Jordan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)
You mean socially, right, and not in the workplace?
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
nobody calls it jizz music except people that write the fucking "wookieepedia"
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
nabisco: Y. and even then, kinda!
JAZZ
Amer.Eng., first recorded in lyrics of song "Uncle Josh in Society" ... ult. from Creole patois jass "strenuous activity," especially "sexual intercourse" but also used of Congo dances, from jasm (1860) "energy, drive," of African origin (cf. Mandingo jasi, Temne yas), also the source of slang jism.
― remy bean, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)
To be honest I can't think of many scenes where there are any "social" groupings -- though isn't there a prequel bit where they chase some dude down through some kind of city mall/nightclub thing, and there are various aliens hanging out? (The only reason I remember is that there's a really conspicuous female version of that alien that's Jabba's second-in-command.)
Other than that ... I guess the Jedi council is integrated. It's like that one city is the only place where there are unsegregated alien groups, and anywhere else you go is like "home planet of the XXXs."
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.newscloud.com/image_files/story_26134.jpg
"The galaxy under Empire rule was the Great Society in its purest form."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)
and the landscape/weather is exactly the same all over those planets (xp)
― blueski, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)
I've thought about it for several hours and I've come to the conclusion that I think this conversation is kind of retarded.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)
Anybody else read that freaky National Review piece where Lowry argued that the Empire was really the good guys?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:42 (eighteen years ago)
"home planet of the XXXs" that is basically subordinate to humans, especially of the white variety.
The jedi council is integrated, yes. and I do recall that nightclub in that assassin chase sequence being full of different aliens as well. though as everyone knows nightclubs in the city are nothing if not havens for scum
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:42 (eighteen years ago)
It's always with villains that sci-fi and fantasy get really bad about just creating entire evil species/races or whatever, so you have some kind of interchangeable identifiable Enemy. My question: where did all those pig-faced Richard-Nixony Jabba guards come from? They're not local to the planet, are they? Does Jabba import them? Does he hire all pig-face guards so he won't have to pay for designing new uniforms for other alien body types?
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)
if george lucas came out and said "yes! it was all secret racist propaganda! hahahaha!" what would all the fanboys do?
― pc user, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)
ditto for all the goblins working in the bowels of cloud city! do other cloud city residents complain about those guys taking jobs away from proper citizens?
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)
the uniforms are made in droid sweat shops
― Jordan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)
iirc the 2 crap ones out of N-Sync appeared in that nightclub scene so Tombot's theory checks out
― blueski, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)
I've thought about it some more and I was wrong.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:46 (eighteen years ago)
Kevin Smith wants his schtick back
― remy bean, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)
yeah. star wars references/readings = sad as fuck
― pc user, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)
we're here to depress you
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)
pc user, let's do this with the iliad instead!
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)
ajax: racist against dutch football teams patrocles: homophobia innit briseis/chriseis: women treated as objects
― Just got offed, Thursday, 27 December 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)
Like dude, that part where they stranded Philoctetes on the island, just cause he got bit by a snake, but then later they come back and they're all like "oh, umm, so, we kind of need your arrows?" AWK-WARD
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)
There was a very funny gag about that in an episode of Black Frasier
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)
jabba seems like the type who'll just take whoever shows up and give them a job. maybe all the gamorreans were migrants who did some landscaping for him and then instead of paying them he got all "how about you stick around, free room and board, just carry these halberds"
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)
"the traditional garb of your people already makes a very imposing henchman uniform -- and all the metal will really save me on cleaning costs!"
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)
the job has good hours, they get breaks plus group naptime.
― Jordan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:04 (eighteen years ago)
he has the mind of an excellent businesshutt
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)
is this why so many hollywood baddies are british? you can't really offend us that way.
― pc user, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:06 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/castcrew/character_season04/propjoe.jpghttp://archive.gulfnews.com/images/07/05/07/08_tb_star_wars_jabba_5.jpg
― Jordan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:06 (eighteen years ago)
^ dude has a point
xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)
you know that rancor-wrangler guy just showed up one day after the carnival kicked him out (two customers and a stagehand eaten) and jabba was all "sweet who wants to build me a trapdoor"
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)
i think the Gamorrean guards were given the unifom by Jabba. they probably hung out in tees and loafers on Gamor itself.
― blueski, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)
Black Frasier? I've never heard of Black Frasier. When was it on?
― Sparkle Motion, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)
right after Non-Semitic Seinfeld of course.
― blueski, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dQWp5BtxGco
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)
Afro'clock in the evening
― remy bean, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)
I am so disappointed that nabisco didn't just invent Black Frasier right here on this thread.
― blueski, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)
I shouldn't have tipped my hand on that one, should I
― nabisco, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)
nabisco: officially witty enough to script for NBC prime time
― blueski, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)
this page makes me feel better about the amount of thought we've put into this:
http://alexplorer.net/guitar/text/guitar/wars.html
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)
Both these guys were likely made in Korea.
ok lol
now i'm thinking about IG-88's capabilities as a bounty hunter because it's hard to imagine it moving differently to 3P0
― blueski, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)
that thing couldn't even stand up by itself. terrible model
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)
lol according to the wiki IG-88's head is a bar tap
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 December 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)
to be fair guys the first trilogy revealed that all of the stormtroopers were brown, so at least we know the empire is integrated
― max, Friday, 28 December 2007 05:16 (eighteen years ago)
I don't know if that counts. all the officers are white. one new zealand maori that they xeroxed a gazillion times isn't exactly "integration." think before you post this stuff, max.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 28 December 2007 05:27 (eighteen years ago)
and hey what about james earl jones??
― max, Friday, 28 December 2007 05:46 (eighteen years ago)
Temeura Morrison's accent totally saved Episode 2
― blueski, Friday, 28 December 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)
james earl jones != that freaky white dude in suit at end
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 28 December 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - George Lucas' "Red Tails" project is on the runway, ready for takeoff.
Anthony Hemingway, who has directed episodes of "The Wire," "CSI: NY" and "ER," will helm the long-gestating World War II film. John Ridley has written the script. Lucas will serve as executive producer on the Lucasfilm feature, which will shoot in Prague, Italy, Croatia and England.
Red Tails was the name of the first group of black airmen to serve as pilot escorts for American bombers in the war. Although their ability to fly had been questioned on racist grounds, the Red Tails' record in the sky was so impressive that they were in demand to lead bombing runs over Italy and Germany in the last year of the conflict.
Their story began under President Franklin Roosevelt, who as an experiment sent the soldiers to Tuskegee, Alabama, to train once the war started. There, they experienced rampant racism and harassment. After their exemplary performance in the war, they helped to desegregate the Army's flying crew.
Lucas has been developing the project since 1989 but put it aside to complete his second trilogy of "Star Wars" films and revive the "Indiana Jones" franchise.
― velko, Thursday, 9 October 2008 08:29 (seventeen years ago)
Never attribute to racism what you can attribute to stupidity.
― fletrejet, Monday, May 27, 2002 12:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
really?
― s1ocki, Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:45 (seventeen years ago)
give him a break it was the early 00s
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:57 (seventeen years ago)
yousa people ganna fly?
― L.L.N.L. Cool J (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 9 October 2008 15:03 (seventeen years ago)
sorry.
http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/731/731088/star-fox-command-20060906062623373.jpg
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Thursday, 9 October 2008 15:50 (seventeen years ago)
star fox-racist?
― s1ocki, Thursday, 9 October 2008 17:03 (seventeen years ago)