Shutter Island (new Scorsese, w/DiCaprio, Ruffalo, etc)

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/shutterisland/

looks completely batshit, possibly not very good, but possibly entertaining despite this

yeah the trailer makes it seem kind of terrible tbh

Looks like In Dreams Part II kind of.

This might be the seamy potboiler Mystic River should've been.

Oh wait, Scorsese's directing? Never mind.

just do the departed II, casino II, etc imo.

This might be the seamy potboiler Mystic River should've been.

Oh wait, Scorsese's directing? Never mind.

― nu hollywood (Eric H.), Friday, June 12, 2009 7:45 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what would u call cape fear?

Thought-provoking New York bloodsport. Unless I'm confusing it with Schindler's List...

gotta admit im basically psyched for this

Thought-provoking New York bloodsport. Unless I'm confusing it with Schindler's List...

― nu hollywood (Eric H.), Friday, June 12, 2009 7:55 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're confusing it with something by abel ferrara im guessing

Ms. 45 is so real.

looks enjoyably silly. I guess he liked Zodiac.

also: Max Von Sydow is still alive?!

The book is awesome for a twisty-turny mystery. But the trailer has me a little dismayed, since it's showing an awful lot of spoilers. I'm excited for this though.

at the end do they realize it actually means "shut her island"

i'll wait for Silence

gotta admit im basically psyched for this

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Saturday, June 13, 2009 5:57 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

WHY?

just cuz Leo + Marty has sucked every time?

i liked the departed.

but apart from that, it looks like it could be a supremely entertaining carcrash.

this looks kinda crappy to me

i liked the departed a lot but hated the other two marty/leo collabs

Is Leo actually a delusional/schizophrenic/MPD (pick one) patient and just imagining that he's a federal marshal sent to solve a mystery?

(ie feels more Identity II than In Dreams II)

trailer seems to give away a lot, and i don't know anything about the source material

the setup seems very 'wicker man'-ish, no?

good to see the island from King Kong getting work

^^ Hahah! This looks so-so. Hate Leo's accent - dude still looks/sounds like he's 15.

WHY?

just cuz Leo + Marty has sucked every time?

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

1) because everyone on this thread is hating and im chaotic neutral

2) why not

WHY?

just cuz Leo + Marty has sucked every time?

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:19 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe. maybe not. maybe fuck yourself.

bronson comin' heavy

This was one of the worst books I've read in the recent past btw.

Really can't see how this will be anything other than ridiculous unless they totally change the ending.

http://arcona.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/statue_planet.jpg

it turns out that is was all dream, right?

lol xpost

wow,the trailer looks like it's gonna be scorsese most embarrassing movei ever.
i hope i'm wrong,but it really looks like an average stupid horror movie,
what happend mr. scorsese?!

He started sucking oh about twenty years ago (with a couple of exceptions)?

if he started 20 years ago
this looks like the end.

this movie will be awesome to watch while i am drunk

He started sucking oh about twenty years ago (with a couple of exceptions)?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:54 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what the fuck?

yeah, it all went downhill after the last temptation of christ: goodfellas, casino, the departed... what a disaster for scorsese.

i will stan for 4 films he has made since goodfellas, mildly rep for 3 others

i prefer the second half of his career tbqh.

raging bull was the last truely great movie he made imo.
he did some great films since - yes,but he didnt topped the bull.

and when he was good,it was mostly felt like a remake of a greater,older scorsese movie.

horseshit!

yeah that's a ridiculous criticism of any director who has a certain milieu he or she works in tbh

think he's got more... fluent. but i think 'raging bull' is an arty bore so.

this looks pretty dumb

ruffalo owns tho

ruffalowns

Thought Goodfellas was '89, but post that there is a lot of crap certainly more than enough to make me doubt his next movie will be a good one. And Departed's a garbage remake, only marginally better than his awful version of Cape Fear.

raging bull is a movie i really dig but i don't feel like it did as much for me as it should have.

the departed is better than infernal affairs

Hah you made a funny!

yeah, no, it's pretty much indisputable that the departed is superior to infernal affairs - AiSF disagreeing is just proof of this

But even if you think its better than original, it's still a incredibly lame movie.

nah, it's true, IA is pretty corny and inconsistent and has that dumbass way it tries to get around how the two leads wouldn't recognize each other (i.e. both of them apparently having had insane plastic surgery between their academy days and the present). it's still good and the acting is awesome, though, don't get me wrong. but IA 2 tramples all over it (and possibly tramples all over the departed as well).

Agree that IA2 >>> IA >>> Departed.

no way it owned

it was the first movie of his since goodfellas that i would characterize as a crowd pleaser

lemme quote this michael mann article from the public enemies thread

One former studio chairman told me that he can imagine what the movie’s problems are without having seen it, based on Mann’s previous work. “It’s going to take itself too seriously, it’s going to be way too long and it will not focus on entertaining the audience,” he says. “Michael Mann, in the past 15 years, has not made one movie I’ve liked.”

the departed was focused on entertaining the audience, not like that lame gay WAVE OF THE FUTURE shit or the fukkin gangs of jew york

never saw IA2 tho

that former studio chairman obv didn't see "homie is that my briefcase?"

"it was the first movie of his since goodfellas that i would characterize as a crowd pleaser"

Too bad it was so badly acted, written, conceived, etc. . .

ahahaha omar YES!!! that is basically my fav movie moment of the 00's

Pretty sure I won't be trusting anonymous studio execs opinions on movies, but I do generally agree with that assessment of Michael Mann who I pretty much can't stand.

i agree with it completely even tho i like mann a lot

I was just telling someone how I never comment on film threads because they intimidate the hell out of me but I just have to say

homie is that my briefcase?

<3<3

Also, The Departed was great.

i like or love all of those mann flicks which fall within that period but obv they're never gonna rake in $200 million. that studio exec still sounds like the kind of dude who greenlights horrendous crap though.

fukkin gangs of jew york

s/b

the quest for 102

s/b

s/b

why did shakey ask to be s/b

happy to help him out though

Too bad it was so badly acted, written, conceived, etc. . .

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:13 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude if you're going to come with the challops you're going to have to give us more than "it was bad in several major areas"!

jews did 9/11, peace.

jews did the departed

the jewparted

I didn't even realize that thinking the Departed was weak was a challenging opinion.

Hell it won an Oscar. That pretty much makes it the definition of crap these days.

this is some "if ebert liked it, it must suck!" territory we're entering

I'm actually really curious to see Martin Scorsese's take on psychological horror blah-blah (even though I hated a lot of Cape Fear). I just wish it didn't involve Leonardo as an old-timey detective with a beguiling accent.

Anytime Scorsese and DePalma want to make a mainstream movie I'll check it out - guaranteed a few great set pieces even if miscast people wear funny hats and shit

yeah, I really do not get why these big-name directors love Leo - dude is terrible

But anyway the main reason I didn't like the Departed was that it's got three of my least favorite actors (these days that is--Nicholson was once awesome) in it chewing scenery left and right and two of them are hamming up bad Boston accents the entire time. You've got to work awfully hard to overcome that and Marky Mark shooting dude in the head in the final frame just doesn't cut it for me.

Anytime Scorsese and DePalma want to make a mainstream movie I'll check it out - guaranteed a few great set pieces even if miscast people wear funny hats and shit

― da croupier, Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

QFT

x-post

two of them are hamming up bad Boston accents the entire time

A friend of mine was writing about Boston accents in movies the other day:

The entire cast of “The Departed.” The natives (Damon, Whalberg) did splendidly of course, Leo did his best and wasn’t totally egregious, the rest of the ensemble bordered between Drunken Kennedys (Baldwin, Sheen), Diane Lane craptacular (the woman shrink, whatsername), and god-awful and getting away with it (Jack, because he’s Jack). All over the map. But then again, actual Boston natives tend to be all over the map accent-wise, so maybe it works.

chewing scenery left and right and two of them are hamming up bad Boston accents the entire time.

my wife and I routinely shout "Are you a KAWP?!" at each other, lolz ensue

I saw that short film The Big Shave on AMC once when I was flipping channels and think dude should just have all of his characters kill themselves with a little orchestral score for like five minutes and then end it

im just a guy who never gives a shit about consistent or "good" accents in movies i think

in all of his movies I mean xp

yeah i never cared about bad accents in films, the boston ones sounded pretty accurate to me beyond nicholson.

I dunno in general I seem to get a kick out of shitty accents (see also: Keanu everybody in Coppola's "Dracula")

Living here I have to say I think she pretty much nailed it regarding the ones in TD. The people actually from Boston were great the others . . . not so much. I guess that's not entirely surprising though.

i'm generally in the same boat w/ slocki re: movie accents, but phony southern accents really piss me off. especially when it's a redneck character who sounds like scarlett o'hara or foghorn leghorn or something.

BTW - The Diane Lane thing was a reference to her accent in The Perfect Storm which was really awful.

boyah you do them chores hear or i'll put my boot upside your head

:D

Scorsese's been overrated his entire career.

^^^the real challops

oh no he didn't!

yeah, I really do not get why these big-name directors love Leo - dude is terrible

― Apollo C. Vermouth (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:43 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

uh i think scorsese clearly loves leo because he can get any fucking movie he wants made as long as leo's attached

I have a hard time believing Leo is a bigger box office-drawing name than Scorcese, especially at this point in his career

heh well u can believe whatever u like lil nublet

i'm sure you have a hard time believing a lot of things

ha x-post

That Scorsese still thinks Leo deserves a second look tells me that he's hoping a soupcon of inspiration helps him overlook the dotage of his "craftsman" years.

his craftsman years, what years are those

btw I saw this trailer before Public Enemies and it reminded me of Cape Fear.

his craftsman years, what years are those

The Age of Innocence onwards. I like a couple of those movies though.

Scorsese's been overrated his entire career.

― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 7, 2009 6:01 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://a-m-p.gr/media/image/large/EGConsidermymindblown.jpg

lolllll

anyone who thinks 'the departed' is badly written is... a dick.

Guilty as charged. . . then, I guess.

(xpost s1ocki)

My reaction after Cape Fear, Casino, Bringing Out The Dead, and Gangs of New York.

they blew your mind wide open?

how could u not like casino?

x-post LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Slocki

Upon reading that comment to someone else on the thread:

[18:09] ME: You can't just say that - you need to elaborate or back that shit up somehow.
[18:09] J: ilx is the home to these sorts of empty challops
[18:09] Me: yeah I know, I know
[18:09] Me: but like
[18:10] Me: I'm afraid of saying something without having ample evidence or whatever to back up my SERIOUS BELIEFS
[18:10] Me: and these guys . . . do that on purpose?

Mean Streets and Goodfellas are great movies, and he's made a few other really good ones, but that's not enough for me to look forward to another Leo-anchored blockbuster.

casino is awesome, bringing out the dead is kinda weird but i loved it, gangs of ny is sloppy but pretty dope, cape fear "i have no use for"

ENBB, do you...do that on purpose?

"how could u not like casino?"

You are one dumb guy, cankles.

now im definitely not gonna stan for everything scorsese's done, gangs of new york and the aviator are pretty horrible, i never even saw bringing out the dead, the last half of casino is pretty dead in the water etc etc. he still rules tho

I mean I like Casino, but it's not some masterpiece that no one is going to find fault with.

As Scorsese stan s1ocki points out, it's only about 17 hours long.

And I never said he sucked -- it might help if you reread my OP -- but that his career has not been such (esp lately) that I anticipate feverishly each new release.

it says right here on my casino dvd, running time 1020 minutes

it's a long movie, it takes all the waking hours of a day, but i think in the end it's worth it

It brings out the dead, you might say.

who will rep for Kundun

Morbs.

haven't seen Cape Fear since it came out, I wonder if I would find it as hilarious now as I did then...

RIP Dr. Morbius

He's missed.

(Hey Shakey did you get my email?)

Scorsese was underrated from 82-88. I'd rather have more After Hours/King of Comedy style films than slick mercenary work like The Departed.

Didn't Color of Money come out in that period though? That seems pretty slick and mercenary to me.

It's mercenary, but it's not slick.

like the scene with Forest Whitaker>>>anything in the Departed.

The only part of The Departed that was that memorable for me was the Nicholson coke orgy scene. And that was a scene Nicholson made Scorsese shoot.

I'd rather have more After Hours/King of Comedy style films than slick mercenary work like The Departed.

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, July 7, 2009 6:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a classic thing to say about scorcese

Never understood the After Hours love; it's so poorly paced, so a lot of the sketches go flat. I gave it another shot a few months ago and still could hardly stand Griffin Dunne.

oh wait the other memorable thing about the departed was the jawdroppingly awful final shot.

I like Life Lessons a lot.

Is Life Lessons the NY Stories short?

Cuz that's great. As is King of Comedy.

this is a classic thing to say about scorcese

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:23 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That's a classic way to misspell Scorsese.

oooh Shockwave Rider!! thx for the heads up Alex (hadn't checked my ilx e-mail in a week)

I gave it another shot a few months ago and still could hardly stand Griffin Dunne.

duh he's the villain

is matt armstrong also from sf

After Hours is serious lols

While we're challopsing left and right I'll just say I like Aviator-Departed more than Raging Bull-King Of Comedy

rufalowns

http://www.james-mooney.co.uk/myspaceimages/Scanners.gif

i think after hours and king of comedy are the only scorsese movies i like, while we're all droppin challops.

While we're challopsing left and right I'll just say I like Aviator-Departed more than Raging Bull-King Of Comedy

― da croupier, Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:33 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^i actually agree w/ this ~ was considerin gettin challopsy abt KOC last wk but didnt have the time

I am a big Mean Streets and Taxi Driver fan, though

was considring getting challopsy why because it interestng

actually it's not

does anyone actually "consider getting challopsy?" I think the challops just happen.

Bringing Out The Challops

^^^^ next Scorsese poll.

xxp i mean, in as much as i watched KOC, didnt really love it, read some threads praising it 2 the hills & thought 4 a sec abt reviving 1 of them~

Release pushed from October to February, The Month Where Shitty Movies That Still Have To Be Theatrically Released Go To Die That's Not August.

In a statement, studio chairman-CEO Brad Grey said “Shutter” will be more profitable in February: “Our 2009 slate was greenlit in a very different economic climate and as a result we must remain flexible and willing to recalibrate and adapt to a changing environment.”

“It was as if she evaporated, straight through the walls.”

i have been saying "we ah doolee appointed feduhral mahshulls" for weeks now

i bought this book in an airport a few years ago - fucking awful scooby doo-style plot

this looks really fucking stupid. more interested in his bootleggin gangster TV show

yep this looks terrible

http://auteursnotebook.s3.amazonaws.com/multiple%20images/MPOTW/shutter_island_japan_500.jpg

we ah doolee appointed feduhruhl mahshulls

will see if I can make a $6 matinee

Why is this washed-up guy still directing?

The Departed

Budget $90 million
Gross revenue $289,847,354

he should keep making the film history docs.

that trailer is not looking any better each month, but i'll still see it asap. i hate scorcese's cape fear (which seems like his most similar previous work) in a lot of ways, but i can't pretend it wasn't chock full of memorable stuff.

The trailer didn't even look like Sam Raimi.

lol i basically made the same post, cape fear ref and all, six months ago. funny they haven't changed the ad campaign at all despite the delays.

to be honest the trailer reminded me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV2r4yn1c80

what happened in the last 15 years that made marvel think Kenny B should make THOR? Was it As You Like It?

much ado about nothing.

In Frankenstein Kenny's certainly going for Thor with that hair.

God, I barely remember that movie, much less it looking like a cross between Burton and Gilliam.

wait a second, alfred soto!

Scorsese's best in years: a purploid Mystic River with gay-panic and femme-baiting overtones. Nicholson's Jackness serves the material well, until he literally chews the scenery. Scorsese exploits Damon's Bourne-ish immobility and DiCaprio's callonwness for all their worth, but for all that you don't give a damn about Leo's moral quandaries (although, to Scorsese's credit, he doesn't push this too hard; I suspect he knows the material is horseshit he's gotta mess with).
Baldwin and Wahlberg's pas de deux was the most entertaining bit.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 7 October 2006 02:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Let me add: the editing is superb.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 7 October 2006 02:50 (3 years ago)

he's still directing because you keep encouraging him : /

maybe he rescreened : )

Morbs turned on the Departed hate after people/Oscars started getting enthusiastic too.

I was re-watching it Saturday afternoon; it's much better the second time.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, February 26, 2007 4:02 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

: /

I rescreened my brain; it changed its mind.

i have been saying "we ah doolee appointed feduhral mahshulls" for weeks now

― max, Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:28 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

haha me too

hate scorcese's cape fear (which seems like his most similar previous work) in a lot of ways, but i can't pretend it wasn't chock full of memorable stuff.

cape fear felt like scorsese trying to do de palma

Always chasing cred.

race to the bottom

"cape fear felt like scorsese trying to do de palma"

Watched this the other day and thought the exact same thing. Have to wonder if this was a conscious De Palma pastiche/piss-take or whether his amped up Hitchcock just happens to look similar to De Palma's.

This is probably the most interesting bit in the Sunday Times article:

On “Shutter Island,” (Robbie) Robertson said, “This was the first time in all these years that he’s ever said to me, ‘God, I don’t know what to do with this material music-wise.’ ” The solution they came up with, weirdly appropriate to the anxious era in which the movie is set, was to use modern classical music in the way that, in previous films, they would deploy brief, timed charges of rock or pop or blues: here the sonic blasts come from composers like Krzysztof Penderecki, John Adams, John Cage, Gyorgy Ligeti and Morton Feldman. And this music, much of it dissonant, stark, hauntingly repetitious or plain spooky, certainly amps up the film’s thick atmosphere of dread. “With something like Penderecki’s ‘Passacaglia,’ ” Mr. Scorsese said, “it’s definitely bold and to me it reflects what’s going on inside Teddy. If you’re with the film, with the character on this strange journey he’s on, that’s the kind of music you hear in your head.”

The funny thing is, a fair amount of the fierce, moody modern music in “Shutter Island” sounds a bit like ’50s movie music too, something from an angst-drenched psychological drama by Elia Kazan, say, or Nicholas Ray. It’s inward-turning music, lonely music. Pop songs are used extremely sparingly, because popular music implies a larger world, millions listening, maybe dancing — the world outside this island and this tormented hero’s mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/movies/07scorcese.html

(also lol NYT misspelling his name in the URL)

‘God, I don’t know what to do with this material music-wise.’="shit, can't figure out how to shoehorn "Gimme Shelter" into this"

I like the image of him and Robertson picking a Penderecki track.

Didn't use "Gimme Shelter" in Age of Innocence.

So his solution was to use the same music Kubrick's already used multiple times?

is it the same piece?

the "modern musuc" soundtrack wont make the movie better.or worse.

That's kind of a ridiculous statement.

just cause i got the felling this particular movie is gonna be mediocre at best

really going out on a limb since that describes the guy's last four nondocumentaries.

we ah doolee appointed feduhral mahshulls

"Scorsese's in Cape Fear mode here"

(from Drew McWeeny's review)

thanks but no thanks.

‘God, I don’t know what to do with this material music-wise.’="shit, can't figure out how to shoehorn "Gimme Shelter" into this"

oh man if this song had just lept out of the soundtrack an hour into the film i would have probably fallen out of my chair.

"WHO IS PRISONER NUMBER 138??? WHEAH YOU HIDING HUHHH?"

"But...you are prisoner 138..."

WAAAHHHHHH CHILLLUUUUNNN

and lest the past tense confuse, i haven't actually seen the film yet (will next thursday!). i'm just assuming that's the big reveal judging from the trailer

^^ needs a caruso/csi/'wont get fooled again'-style macro thing.

xp

http://www.psfk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ben-kinsley-shutter-island.png

It's as if she evaporated...straight through the WAHHHHHH CHILLLLUUUUUNNN

"really going out on a limb since that describes the guy's last four nondocumentaries."

he didnt do any great movie in ages.
probably will never do again..

he didnt do any great movie in ages.

2010 - 2006 = four years. that's not a long time.

truth

subjective

no, it really has been four years since 2006~!

Best thing he did this decade was No Direction Home.

he didn't really do that though.

My Voyage in Italy is getting a bit oversold imo.

i wanna see this

we ah doolee appointed feduhral mahshulls

― pro bono publico (history mayne), Monday, February 8, 2010 1:31 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ only guy on the thread who 'gets' this movie

this isnt a 'scorsese' film--this is a 'leonardo dicaprio does an accent' film

The producers left a bunch of money on the table by opening a DiCaprio/Ruffalo movie the weekend after Valentine's Day.

this movie looks intentionally ridiculous and crazy. i'm just going in assuming it's scorsese's version of 'in dreams'.

Marty really needs to stop making so many goddamned movies with dicaprio.

don't think leo's in his upcoming movie about two monks climbing the alps or whatever the fuck

da caprio

dese ah all violint dafenduhs right

whats a violent defender

defendants? offenders? maybe?

ex boston bruins?

violent defensemen?

maybe he's just bleeding the two words together with his accent. violentoffenders

pretty sure leo/marty will be done with each other once they finally get to make that teddy roosevelt epic

cant wait for his accent in that one

"we ah doolee elected US president."

lol

He showed the cast Out of the Past, alas if only Leos were Mitchums.

AO Scott with the snark:

Shutter Island” takes place off the coast of Massachusetts in 1954. I’m sorry, that should be OFF THE COAST OF MASSACHUSETTS! IN 1954! since every detail and incident in the movie, however minor, is subjected to frantic, almost demented (and not always unenjoyable) amplification. The wail of strangled cellos accompanies shots of the titular island, a sinister, rain-lashed outcropping that is home to a mental hospital for the CRIMINALLY INSANE! The color scheme is lurid, and the camera movements telegraph anxiety. Nothing is as it seems. Something TERRIBLE is afoot.

Sadly, that something turns out to be the movie itself... Mr. DiCaprio, having grown perhaps overly fond of his accent from “The Departed,” brings it along for the ride, and it spreads through the movie like a contagious disease. Teddy’s partner (pahtnah), Chuck Aule, played by Mark (Mahk) Ruffalo, is supposed to be from the Pacific Northwest but he seems to have left all his R’s back in Seattle. Michelle Williams pops up in smudgy, color-drenched memories and hallucinations as Teddy’s dead wife, Dolores, her intonations as thick and clammy as chowder.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/movies/19shutter.html?8dpc

What a lazy review.

dana stevens at least had the sense to just call it "the Depahted" (without parens)

What a lazy review.

It's fine. I blame his editors.

They still have editors?

i kept calling my dog ah doolee appointed feduhral mahshull last night and my wife had to tell me to knock it off

Not since "Raging Bull" has Mr. Scorsese so brazenly married brutality to beauty. Not since "Kundun" has one of his films felt so aspirational.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703315004575073313173862620.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_lifestyle

I saw the new Scorsese movie, Shutter Island last night. Fuckin loved it all in all. Not a near perfect movie but it offers droves for those inclined toward inward examinations of the macabre.. Or something like that, I reckon.. I'm curious to see if some discussion could be kicked off here - its been a while.

Here is very Edifying review of Shutter Island: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/movies/reviews/2010/shutterisland.html

The reviewer suggests considering these questions to get a discussion going

1. Who, if anyone, comes out of this film with integrity and morality intact? Can we discern the heroes from the villains?
2. What do you think Scorsese is trying to observe about good and evil in Shutter Island?
3. What do you make of the last line of the film?

I think the first question is a great one. I'd love to get into it... anyone else? I know the movies come out recently so the handful you chaps round these parts might not see it for a while. But drop a line here if you do, if you like. I might write something up anyway (one day) but I could tear in to this one with company.

"God loves violence" "There is no moral order at all. There's only, can my violence conquer yours?"

good points

looking forward to starting this discussion

This was better than Wolfman.

totally clownish movie imo

This was better than Wolfman.

― Duke Newsom (DavidM), Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:41 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

getting waterboarded in satan's urine is better than The Wolf Man

alex not in nyc

1. Who, if anyone, comes out of this film with integrity and morality intact? Can we discern the heroes from the villains?

lololololol

lol velko

HAHAHAHAHA

This might've worked if it wa 71 minutes in black-and-white.

The first 20 minutes are probably the best (fiction) thing Scorsese has done in a dozen years, and the last 20 minutes the worst he has done, ever.

I mean I saw the trailer a year ago and said "oh, Marty has done areally long Twilight Zone where Leo turns out to be a madman." AND LO!

Great 2-minute Ted Levine scene.

It really is Marty's Shining, only even worse.

yeah I can pretty much co-sign on everything there 'cept the Shining bashing.

Great 2-minute Ted Levine scene.

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius),

seriously, he should maybe look at fleshing that character out into a full length

It's by far the worst Scorsese I've seen: worse than Bringing Out the Dead and Cape Fear

It looks pretty fantastic, tho -- why bother?

Enjoyed a couple of the Hitchcock riffs, and the way Patricia Clarkson wiped the cave floor w/ Leo in their loony scene.

I would have liked more of that stuff, or the Ted Levine scene.

Max von Sydow's role was a throwback to Strange Brew as well as whatever '40s mad-scientist actors he and Ben Kingsley were sending up.

Enjoyed it all.

i loved it, it's such a goofy romp

works way better on TV imo

I kinda forgot how much I hate when Morbs catches up with all the movies he spent the previous year bashing.

Spiking the ball, et al

DOOLY. DOOLY. DOOLY. DOOLY.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cwGbtvyoY1o/0.jpg

You rang?

Decent airplane film. I watched it on a long haul between An Education and Crazy Heart, and it definitely kicked both of their dreary arses.

DOOLY.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cwGbtvyoY1o/0.jpg

You rang??

Eric, i'm impressed that my unerring taste for recognizing shit via trailers spurs such envy in ye.

(and plz come to NYC this year)

Def. much better watched at home, on TV. Still enjoyable and great looking. He's done worse (BOTD, Aviator...)

1) I did not realize that was Ted Levine until I reading this thread. Woah.
2) Elias Koteas!
4) The twist was so obvious right from pretty close to the beginning for me. Not the details but just generally that he was actually a patient.
5) I thought I hated it about 45 mins in but by the end I didn't it think it was that bad. Not a great movie but pretty enjoyable to watch bad accents and overacting and all.
6) "I think we get drowned dead kids, frozen dead kids, and hacked to pieces dead kids in this movie. And the camera just stays on them! Mmmmmmm dead kids. I kind of would have appreciated a message at the beginning of this movie that said "Warning: The movie you're about to see has several unreasonably long shots of DEAD KIDS. Plus a concentration camp, cause that's freaky too."

Tracer said that in another thread. A guy I know actually made the dead kids/adults from the holocaust scenes. He had them in his house for while when he was making them. So damn creepy.

this is sort of a great film

i kind of relate it to other islandish type films like l'avventura and cul de sac

garbage for know-nothing feebs

I just finally saw this and went into it like super-attuned to look for "clues" or w/e bcz it was described to me over and over as like WHOAAAA THIS MOVIE IS SUCH A BRAINFUCK/YOU WILL BE SO CONFUSED/YOU WILL HAVE NOOOOO IDEA WHAT'S HAPPENING!! So when like 1/3 or 1/2 way thru the movie I thought Leo was insane I p much immediately came to the conclusion that that was the obvious answer that the film wanted you to think, so therefore it must not be what's actually happening, and then it very straightforwardly and not-confusingly explained that it *was* actually what was happening in the last 20 minutes, and there is no final "Gotcha!", and I'm just kinda not getting where all these other viewers' confusion is coming from. Like, is this their first ever experience w/ a film w/ an unreliable narrator and they're unable to parse that what was shown to them on screen didn't actually happen? Why would you have to rewatch this film to understand it?

Also, the fact that Leo's white clothes stayed perfectly white the whole film despite scaling rocks and swimming in yucky water and all that, and also that Rachel Solando's hair was pristinely cut and styled despite like living in a fucking cave, etc., seemed at first like they were by-products of big-budget motion picture over-slickness but by the end of the film all seemed like p deliberate choices on Scorsese's part (i.e. manifestations of an insane person's fantasies), I mean the guy surely knows what he's doing, right?

this movie sucks ass

in the best and most loving way

I mean come on it wasn't awful or anything but it wasn't, like, a master work.

Master wank, more like it.

as dr. m noted above, the last 20 mins might be called awful if one were feeling generous

You only think they were awful, it was just that next level. You see, it was all in his head! THINK ABOUT IT.

i dunno, it's both garishly awful and kind of great. if it weren't for cheeky cheeks & the hideously bathetic climax, i might be inclined to call it a straight-up masterpiece. then again, i love garish, passionately ridiculous hothouse pulp (de palma, argento, verhoeven, the black swan, gothic horror).

If it wasn't for the lead, who is in every scene, and the ending, which is the whole reason the movie exists ...

xp that's all well and good but the tell-don't-show sledgehammer bluntness of the "twist" ending made me want to gouge my eyes out

yeah, i know. leo wasn't awful awful, though, until called upon to emote so horrendously in slow, tear-stained motion. for me, it's really just that one sequence that killed the film. everything else was good-bad to great, even the denouement.

I feel like I may have hated on this movie a bit too much. I will have to re-watch it again someday.

I have to admit from the very first shot (when Leo splashes water on his face on the ferry and looks in the mirror and very overpassionately delivers the line "PULL YA'SELF TUHGETHUH, TEDDY") I was like "oh jeez it's gonna be one of *those* movies"

DOOLY

Though tbh it's always refreshing to see a big improbable conspiracy film that ends with "no, he *is* actually crazy" and of course this is not the first film to do that but that always seems to be the less common outcome of films of this nature

movie was hilarious and dumb and gorgeous and i fully approve

like a nolan movie with 90% less annoyance

Don't forget the many long and lingering shots of dead bloody children

tbf i said 'gorgeous' once

this movie was entertaining as fuck and ridiculous and looked awesome. obviously scorsese didn't care about fooling anybody with the story though.

campily horrible and more entertaining than at least a half dozen or so much shittier Scorsese movies (Bringing Out the Dead etc.)

horrible, serious, and less entertaining than most of his.

I can't even look at Scrunchy Face anymore

yeah Sweaty Bigface is really the worst

saw this on a plane, knowing nothing about it and having no expectations, really enjoyed it and did not anticipate ending, so there. i like that it went all in on its sort of ridiculous style choices. if a thing's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.

agreed, but Scorsese excelled at the overdoing in The Departed.

My favourite part is when Ben Kingsley actually starts explaining things with a chalkboard and a pointer.

Ha that didn't even occur to me but made me IRL lol reading it

HEY VIEWER HEY VIEWER LOOK LOOK THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON, HERE LET ME WRITE IT DOWN AND THEN POINT TO IT

yes oh my god just kill me

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2010/2/9/1265709060595/Shutter-Island-001.jpg

by the way, though i liked this movie, i don't remember anything about it, including what the big twist was. actually, no, i remember one thing about it, which is that it rained a lot.

nice heavy-handed score iirc

i did end up feeling deflated by the end because creepy pharma nazi prison conspiracy is just cooler than "you're in mad denial bro"

i hate twists

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

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SHUTTER ISLAND: WILL IT SUCK?

^ another good thread FYI

Whenever I think of this movie I just end up singing "Thunder Island" by Jay Ferguson.

i knew i already bitched about this movie somewhere on ilx!

ha ditto

man I hate Ben Kingsley so much. I was talking to a friend who had seen Hugo a while ago, we settled on the idea that the thing that Ben Kingsley is employed by directors to deliver could more efficiently be achieved by just a sustained shot of him standing in a kind of vaudevillian jazz-hands pose & waving a top hat, just beaming anachronistically, spoonfeeding the audience the old time vibe he freelances so reliably.

I feel like this movie just joins a sad canon of post fight club flicks that are clustered together in impotently trying out the shocking reveal denouement like it was something dramatic & new, a comment on our condition. like the machinist or w/e. it'll be like watching Rambo movies to understand how America felt about the war, watching lazy bloated studio pieces cobbled together from dull trends & wondering why these were what we needed to see.

you hate fun. also the score is fantastic.

the machinist much much worse than this fwiw

well sure but that's not saying much

first blood is a masterpiece

Still baffled by Wolf Street--the film, the enthusiasm for it here--I finally took this off the shelf, hoping for a glimmer of...something.

Didn't get it. I have an interpretation, though. Ben Kingsley is Pauline Kael (or the ghost of Kael), Ruffalo is John Cassavetes (or ditto), DiCaprio is Scorsese. All of DiCaprio's fantasies are stand-ins for all the noise of Scorsese's last two decades--the awards, the grandfathered reverence, the best-since-whatever dance. Kingsley/Kael and Ruffalo/Cassavetes are trying the most radical therapy ever, nursing DiCaprio/Scorsese along to a breakthrough moment of acceptance: "I'm lost."

The day that comes when I take Redacted off the shelf to just look for a glimmer of something (or that I'd ever have it on my shelf in the first place) is the day I know I've lost it.

But, no, this movie's cool. Scor's best in the last decade.

take that DVD copy of Redacted and put it where your heart ought to be.

motherfucking distended Twilight Zone

here's your glimmer: DeP communictaes that the USA is the capital of shit in Redacted

You don't glide quite right.

No definitive google results on that line.

https://youtu.be/t1zxmJ2R0eU?t=29m9s

I watched this a second time a few weeks back. It plays a bit better now with the knowledge that fucking Hugo was up next, but its still a confused mess--why address the (potentially compelling) trauma of Teddy's wartime experience if the whole thing just turns out to be about his crazy wife?

I'm still not over Ben Kingsley explaining the plot with a chalkboard and a pointer, either.

Probably my favourite OST ever

Yeah - the soundtrack for this was remarkable. Forgot about that (and I own it!)

I'm still not over Ben Kingsley explaining the plot with a chalkboard and a pointer, either.

http://faculty.cua.edu/johnsong/hitchcock/images/stills/psycho/psychiat-psycho.jpg

It's like all my favourite second-tier composers! and Max Richter :/

OP crazy otm tbf

Cryptosicko and Josh: as I watched Kingsley's dreary explanatory scene, Psycho was exactly what I thought of--even wondered if Scorsese was partly parodying the Simon Oakland scene, like De Palma did in Dressed to Kill. Actually, I thought Kingsley and von Sydow were pretty good in this--they at least seem to be having fun. DiCaprio's terrible.

this felt like scorsese wanting to do some kind of absurd OTT project on a whim, just for kicks. Which is nice when you're able to do that on this kind of budget.

I think I read somewhere that Some Kind of Absurd OTT Project on a Whim, Just for Kicks was the working title for his latest.

That was the working title for his never realized SuperHeavy concert film.

Cryptosicko and Josh: as I watched Kingsley's dreary explanatory scene, Psycho was exactly what I thought of--even wondered if Scorsese was partly parodying the Simon Oakland scene, like De Palma did in Dressed to Kill. Actually, I thought Kingsley and von Sydow were pretty good in this--they at least seem to be having fun. DiCaprio's terrible.

― clemenza, Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought of countless Mystery Science Theater 3000 subjects.

"There was no monster."

A duly appointed federal marshal, rescued, alive, well, and of normal size, some 8000 miles away in a lifeboat.

von Sydow having more fun in the McKenzie Brothers movie. And Shame.

soon to be an HBO series! wtf.

http://thedissolve.com/news/3056-shutter-island-series/

Cable TV series are the new Broadway musicals.

Good to know that we've been spared Broadway versions of Fargo and Shutter Island.

looool @ this news

I hope a different insane inmate tries to escape each episode

I dunno... I didn't love the film but a lot of it was because the denouement was so rushed it became preposterous. A whole series set on a strange island could be cool. Maybe they could strip all the characters of names and just give them numbers or something....

The series needs to end with Ben Kingsley explaining things with a chalkboard and a pointer every week.

be seeing you

xp

Good to know that we've been spared Broadway versions of Fargo and Shutter Island.

it's not an either/or thing, wait a decade

suppose this will be like that american horror story season minus the aliens

why would you even make this into a TV series and then waste the brand recognition by giving it a different name

shoulda gone with Shutter Island Rising

The series needs to end with Ben Kingsley explaining things with a chalkboard and a pointer every week.

omfg loooooool

I would like to point out that this is still being shown on airplanes

I think the idea is that you're trapped, and you have to watch it. Just like that Twilight Zone with the monster on the wing.

shitter island morelike

i kept calling my dog ah doolee appointed feduhral mahshull last night and my wife had to tell me to knock it off

― El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, February 19, 2010 12:38 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i paraphrased this post to my roommate the other night and we both laughed about it for like ten minutes. an hour or two later, through her door, she was still periodically bursting into cackles over it. A+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Mv17F1Jpc

This movie is so headed for Camp Classic status.

This movie is in charge of camp classic and I want to go there every summer and learn how to kayak from a dulee uhpointit fehdural mawhshawall