It's July 2009, and Obama "has broken more campaign promises on Iraq than in any other area."

"a brigade a month," my ass. But you suspected that was a lie, right?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106178806

Tom Ricks, who has written two books on the war, told NPR's David Greene that he doesn't think that life in Iraq will be that different for the American military....

"This is not the first time the Americans have tried to transfer security responsibility to Iraqi forces. They've tried it several times. It has not worked several times," Ricks reminded Greene.

"The question now is, are Iraqi forces up to the job? And the answer is: Nobody knows."

And, Ricks says, President Obama "has broken more campaign promises on Iraq than in any other area." He's keeping troop levels the same and is looking at getting the troops out rather slowly.

Ricks also calls Obama's promise to get the combat troops out "a meaningless phrase. ... There are no noncombat troops in the U.S. military. There is no pacifist wing of the military."

He says troop levels will need to remain the same through Iraqi elections next January, then the administration plans to draw them down by about 10,000 troops a month starting in March.

"That means next summer is going to be a point of maximum vulnerability," he says. "Because you take the troops out in the beginning from the easy places, but the deeper you get, the more you have to take them out of the riskier places — or the places where the Iraqi troops are less reliable.

"So actually I think this summer will be a long, hot summer in Iraq, but 2010 will be even more difficult."

not sure if ricks is pissed that obama's broken his promise, or that he isn't pulling troops out faster, or that he's going to pull them out too fast.

He's keeping troop levels the same and is looking at getting the troops out rather slowly. [...] He says troop levels will need to remain the same through Iraqi elections next January, then the administration plans to draw them down by about 10,000 troops a month starting in March.

"That means next summer is going to be a point of maximum vulnerability," he says.

if he kept his promise and pulled out a brigade a month, that would make this summer, in fact, any time he did it, the 'point of maximum vulnerability'.

maybe he should just pull all the troops out over a weekend so that he can have kept his promise, probably the right thing to do.

maybe he should just pull all the troops out over a weekend so that he can have kept his promise, probably the right thing to do.

Lolololol.

fine with me, but we know O is a lying motherfucker and his fans are in permanent denial.

Anyone who didn't figure out this guy is full of shit a year ago deserves the three and a half years of told you so's and Olympic-level rationalizing they've got coming.

we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".

Change the campaign slogan to "Yes We Know!"

^SOTOLOL

Morbs sorry but is that the royal we, or you and the mouse in your pocket?

I've got a couple of areas of concern but they won't be solved calling motherfuckers on interwebs. And yes, this is sooooo '08.

Please point me to the 2008 posts where Obama supporters said they knew he wouldn't reduce troop levels AT ALL in his first 6 months.

so he gets a pass, RIGHT? Total and complete. "It's reality," etc.

really, fuck you assholes.

Morbs, what the fuck do you want these voters to do – ask for their votes back? There's plenty of complaining by Obama people on the political threads. I didn't vote for him because I knew he'd waffle on gay rights and showed too much inclination towards imperial greatness, but you don't see me getting sanctimonious about it. If they don't like him, they can vote for a socialist in '12 or stay home watching Bergman films on public television.

No actually fuck you

I want them to march on D.C. and riot if it comes to that. Burn, Washington, burn.

But I'm not talking to "voters," they're either resigned to the bullshit or idiots. (about 50/50)

better yet, stay home next time -- starting with the '10 midterms -- and kill the Democratic Party. KILL KILL KILL

yeah, that'll be sure to bring about a socialist utopia.

Morbs, chill. PLEASE.

No, he doesn't get a pass. What he gets is a panoply of information that you and I just don't, while also seeming to seek info from outside that loop. Iraq didn't just hang there as if in aspic, unchanging, between the election and now. To think that day-to-day stuff on the ground there doesn't impact on what troops go where and when is as unreasonable as expecting Obama not to react to it, or change tack.

I was hoping the DADT/DOMA stuff would get sorted out but w/moar GOP affairs, it's cold of me but when they have no leg to stand on their own perceived morals issues, could get both revoked easily.

Also good meme: the Fort Worth southern Stonewall thing is a gay-panic form of Jim Crow.

Dr Morbius was actually the fifth member of Rage Against the Machine wasn't he?

Long, Hot Summer' Ahead For U.S. Troops In Iraq

is there a bigger cliche in news reporting than the use of "long hot summer" for events and scenarios and difficult decisions that take place over the course of a summer?

right, and the news reporters get a pass, RIGHT? Total and complete. "It's reality," etc.

really, fuck you assholes.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=41749

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2009/06/29/irish-fin-min-facing-a-long-hot-summer.aspx

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/06/dallas-police-looking-at-chang.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-14144-DC-Single-Moms-Examiner~y2009m6d23-Free-movies-for-a-long-hot-summer

http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/09/obama-energy-health-business-washington-congress.html

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/Opinion/Columnists/Footnote/colFOOT062609.htm

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2009/06/22/news/iq_29446389.txt

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090628/environment/long-hot-summer-ahead

no idea what that n/a post means.

Que bringing the relevance as usual. eat shit.

What he gets is a panoply of information that you and I just don't

AIEEEE CHRIST CHRIST CHRIST

is there a bigger cliche in news reporting than the use of "long hot summer" for events and scenarios and difficult decisions that take place over the course of a summer?

In the UK, we also have to put up with "Winter of Discontent"

it's gonna be a long hot summer for:

outdoor movies
dallas police
maltese bathers and
the irish finance minister

"Summer of Rage" never took off however

Que bringing the relevance as usual. eat shit.

dude, really? c'mon now.

outdoor movies &
dallas police &
maltese bathers &
the irish finance minister

DC-Single-Moms-Examiner

Nothing is more relevant than revolutionary posturing in Morbs' eyes. If you aren't doing that, you are just sheeple.

or youre just nothing, like all of us are in this phony democracy.

Look, Morbs, if you blow a gasket and your brain explodes, it won't be because you were using it.

xp Oh yes keep bringing the insight.

I'm not talking about posturing, Alex. Anything left of Joe Biden is "posturing," you sad-ass Gen Y fantasists.

It's awfully sad how all of our lives can be reduced to mere specks of dust in this big bad world. How we will go on living knowing that we aren't important? I know I'll post more dreck on messages boards! TAKE THAT IMPERIALISTS!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rHOBCQz3geI/SWet1jfGwwI/AAAAAAAAAY4/ws_X-ysvMMU/s320/grampa_simpson_cloud.jpg

gonna be a long hot summer for imperialists

xxp See I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you actually think that "revolution" is going to accomplish anything productive then you are dumber than a bag of Joe Bidens.

lolque

He's "gone Chaki" on us

I want them to march on D.C. and riot if it comes to that. Burn, Washington, burn.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, July 2, 2009 8:10 AM (20 minutes ago)

Is this because of the government or because Mr. Que lives there?

Remind me, Dr. Morbius, because I forget: is it fun being 19, thumbing through your well-worn copy of Society of the Spectacle while drinking coffee with your crusty anarcho-punk buddies and rappin' about how much the government sucks?

Also, this is useful to check in on from time to time: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

QUE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

Morbs do you even own a bullhorn? These coup fantasies are going to be even more difficult to achieve without one. Maybe you and Dennis Perrin can go in on one together?

http://www.bluereefaquarium.co.uk/uploads/news/Smiling%20Baby%20Ray.jpg

Is this because of the government or because Mr. Que lives there?

it's gonna be a long, hot summer for barbe "que"

I don't fantasize. I know no "rebellion" -- even in the form of a viable liberal party -- is gonna happen until ppl lose their Wiis, and probably not then. I gave up on America in the '80s, and you ppl have richly confirmed my fatalism.

Morbs, please focus your passion on the job hunt.

gonna be a long, hot summer for wii owners

And yet America will never give up on you, Dr Morbius

"I don't fantasize. I know no "rebellion" -- even in the form of a viable liberal party -- is gonna happen until ppl lose their Wiis, and probably not then. I gave up on America in the '80s, and you ppl have richly confirmed my fatalism."

Aw this was so sad. I almost got a little misty there. Don't worry Morbs America hasn't given up on you! GO GET EM TIGER!

the irish finance minister

hoo boy ain't that the truth

I gave up on America in the '80s

then who are you shouting at?

a cloud

gonna be a long hot summer for tigers

do you really think i'd ber posting here, Eric, if I could figure out why LinkedIn won't upload my resume in Word?

gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip

xp You've been trying to do that for the last five years?

gonna be a long hot summer for linkedin tech support guy

You think things were bad under Bush? This Obama cat is a whole 'nother sonofabitch. Welcome to hell.

Okay, here's a legitimate question for you, Morbius: why are you still living in this country? Seriously. I can't imagine staying here if I were as full-bore chagrined as you seem to be.

That's got to be the worst excuse for being a long-time poster to a message board ever. "Linkedin won't upload my resume so I've been posting to ILX since 2003 in frustration."

coming events in chronological order:

1) Obama held to account for broken promises on Iraq, financial reform, gay rights, etc
2) Dems sweep 2012 Feingold/Kucinich ticket into White House
3) Tarantino makes his long-promised Eric Rohmer hommage
4) Morbs goes to another ballgame with Alex

("Posting here" means this morning, A's fan)

# It's July 2009, and Obama "has broken more campaign promises on financial reform than in any other area." [Started by Dr Morbius in July 2009, last updated 3 seconds ago by Dr Morbius on I Love Everything] 1 new answer
# It's July 2009, and Obama "has broken more campaign promises on gay rights than in any other area." [Started by Dr Morbius in July 2009, last updated 2 seconds ago by Dr Morbius on I Love Everything] 1 new answer
# It's July 2009, and Obama "has broken more campaign promises on etc than in any other area." [Started by Dr Morbius in July 2009, last updated 1 seconds ago by Dr Morbius on I Love Everything] 1 new answer

Who knows? Maybe the US Army will force him to resign and flee to Honduras, where he will take over as president.

Gonna be a long hot summer for pyjama-wearing presidents

Okay, here's a legitimate question for you, Morbius: why are you still living in this country? Seriously. I can't imagine staying here if I were as full-bore chagrined as you seem to be.

― A Leg Made Footless From Pot (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, July 2, 2009 8:46 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He hates America, its politics, and the all the people that would rather watch mindless entertainment than move away or start a revolution, but he's staying for the baseball.

We're getting a bit close to "go and live in China and THEN see how you like it" territory here.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/071112/coconnor_l.jpg

That would be kind of funny, though. "Morbius In China"

VH1 Celebreality

Morbo Polo

Flavor of Morbius

i kinda hate to say this but this thread makes me miss gabnebb, he was the smug yin to morbs' rabid yang

is he banned again?

to be fair morbs i think your reputation as a crank doesn't have much to do with your political stance as it does with your patent inability to rebut an argument without totally changing the subject and firing off bizarro nicknames

What politician EVER has lived up to his/her 1,000,000,000 campaign promises? Seriously Morbs you are about as clueless as the sheeple you so decry. I don't see your elderly ass out there "rioting".

rebutting? never had any interest in the debate team. plus the arguments usu amount to "We don't know what Obama knows, so let's just trust he will do something nice, eventually."

I mean, I'm disappointed in Obama too, for quite a few things. But I'm also taking solace in the few small things he HAS managed to initiate. Small steps better than none, etc etc

deck chairs, Titanic, etc

Obamapaws

your last president was george w bush, you realise that? it's pretty obvious that the next guy is gonna have to seriously fuck up in order not to look pretty smoooth for the first few years

If all you want is a space to berate people, we can give you your own board where you can scream to your heart's content.

ya elmo, Morbs is strict gadfly

Titanic

What a great movie.

^^^^^^ better trolling in a Morbs post

rebutting? never had any interest in the debate team. plus the arguments usu amount to "We don't know what Obama knows, so let's just trust he will do something nice, eventually."

NO ONE ON ILE USES THIS ARGUMENT

egads

But I'm not talking to "voters," they're either resigned to the bullshit or idiots.

If by "resigned" you mean "resigned to voting in a democracy with other voters who have different opinions," then yes, I am proudly resigned and highly recommend it

NB dude I have trouble believing you really think any intelligent observer thought of any "promise" or plan on Iraq as remotely fixed or guaranteed; it is Iraq; most of us with half a brain have been fully aware that all Iraq-withdrawal stuff would be slow and tenuous and vexed by the actual real-world state of the country, which is sort of as it should be; this is not about to make any of us regret helping elect the guy who laid out an aim of withdrawal over the guy who preferred to stick around eternally until some ill-defined "job" got done

btw I am watching a Star Trek movie on cable right now and would like to note that Morbs political posts are really awesome if you imagine them coming from Khan

I'd like to see Morbs defend Titanic.

or really Montalban in general

who's kirk 'round here?

can somebody 'shop a mets hat onto khan

The other thing is that Morbs shifts back and forth between (a) imagining people here have the same political inclinations as him but are just weak-willed collaborators about it and (b) imagining people here more centrist political inclinations than he does -- I don't know how to decide which of these is the case until he settles more consistently on one.

the 80s for Morbs = when Khan's wife died

Morbs starting political thread = attempt to slip brain slug in Chekhov's ear

who cares

it's gonna be a long hot summer for Chekhov's gun

the 80s for Morbs = when Khan's wife died

Real world lols.

"THIS IS USA ALPHA FIVE!"

like Khan, I contain multitudes.

hey elmo, notice how everyone's staying on topic and "rebutting"?

NO ONE ON ILE USES THIS ARGUMENT

What he gets is a panoply of information that you and I just don't, while also seeming to seek info from outside that loop. Iraq didn't just hang there as if in aspic, unchanging, between the election and now.(snip)

― bad hijab (suzy), Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:13 PM

you're not making any arguments, either. you're just cutting and pasting and telling people to eat shit

The topic of this thread is sooo not Obama or Iraq.

it's the internet xp

nabisco, I "imagine" people here have more centrist political inclinations than I do, at least the ones they're willing to stand on.

btw I happen to like Titanic especially after the iceberg.

if this were 200 B.C. Morbius would be scandalized that Constantine wasn't unilaterally divesting the Roman empire of all its holdings and turning the army into a barbershop quartet

Eric, that's what happens when one starts a PEEWEE COVERS EARS AND GOES LALALALA thread

sorry 200 A.D., my bad

xpost

only if that's what he PROMISED to do, Tracepatriate.

btw any Beeb openings?

^^ multitasking

ch-ch-check it out -

http://jobs.bbc.co.uk

Morbs wants a job at the BBC? Don't tell the Iranians.

by the way Morbius, in England -- and you may not know this -- the leader of the "left" party promised to start a war against Iraq -- and did!

Have I Got Morbz For You

thanks TH :)

I could be Alistair Cooke in reverse!

Let Nation Rant Unto Nation

that website is none of my doing btw

s'OK, they only have one non-UK opening, for a reporter in Nigeria.

please look into that

go for it!!!

You could tell everyone what's up with Nigaz

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8118721.stm

Morbs, you're being disingenuous to C&P that line as if there's no follow-on.

Personally, when I'm voting for a president/supporting a candidate one HUGE thing I'm looking for is the person from the available field who'll best face the bureaucratic juggernaut of vested interests that keep us in idiot wars, fossil fuels and Christian-bigot social Darwinism. I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on his DADT/DOMA timeline *and* Iraq because I think he was the best candidate available to process and deal with whatever's thrown at a Democrat in office by his own party and the GOP. In some ways, he's vexing the GOP beyond my wildest dreams. I tend to think counterintuitively around what they're doing in DC but what I would posit is that bi-partisanship is a bit of a canard and that what O is looking for is non-partisan support around social programmes and values issues. MInd out also that the top brass who are (apparently) standing between 75 per cent of the US and the repeal of DADT are feeling the awesome powah of being refuseniks are probably not from our peer group or Obama's, to say the least.

geez, his vexing of the GOP has zilch to do with his performance and all about their selling of his "identity" as a socialist/ Muslim/ treasonous black man.

(as with those socialist Clintons)

i am kind of amused with the fact that you are decrying the idea of anyone using the argument that the president has access to more information than we do, since that is kind of the lynchpin of uh representative democracy.

Unfortunately it's exactly the same line Blair spun to con the UK into the war

i certainly decried that when ppl used it to defend bush's policies, guantanamo, illegal wiretapping etc xp

"I know something you don't... I made it all up of course... but nonetheless"

of course part of the idea of representative democracy is that we are smart enough not to elect lying cocksuckers that will abuse their power in order to do stuff like that so

i have now broken my campaign promise to never post on ilx political threads so im off to run myself out of office

And down to Buenos Aires you go.

"hiking the Appalachian Trail"

what a disaster for Eden Prairie

gonna be a long, hot summer for West St. Paul

like Khan, I contain multitudes.

hahaha, you wish.

At least you've met your soul mate.

I don't think Iraq pullout involves super-special-secret confidential information we can't imagine or don't have access to -- just a more detailed level of information about where things stand and what the capabilities/possibilities are. Like I said, I don't think any realistic person imagined that any campaign plans on Iraq could be taken as anything other than general and highly contingent agendas, and the decision to be made was between different approaches/philosophies, not guaranteed events.

nabisco, I "imagine" people here have more centrist political inclinations than I do, at least the ones they're willing to stand on.

^ If you mean in terms of actual opinion/goals, I'd say you're right about that -- so really what exactly is your rhetorical goal with a thread like this one? Like if you have actual different policy opinions than the bulk of ILXors, I don't get why you wouldn't talk more about those actual policy issues, rather than tending to talk about voting or how much faith people should have in Democrats or all these things that assume we share the same objectives and are arguing about how best to accomplish them. Sometimes I feel like you're telling us "hey, a hammer is a horrible tool for that job, use a screwdriver," when really the difference of opinion isn't about the tool, it's that we're holding nails and you want screws.

nabisco for prez

He'll break a lot of promises, that guy.

Forget it, Ned, it's Frogtown.

And break a lot of nails too

hearts too

'I don't think Iraq pullout involves super-special-secret confidential information we can't imagine or don't have access to -- just a more detailed level of information about where things stand and what the capabilities/possibilities are.'

^This. It's counter-productive to pretend I had written otherwise just to give selves hard-on of righteousness.

We are leaving Iraq, someday, only to go to the no-win scenario in Afghanistan.

I have no problem believing myself more "righteous" than any of the store-bought whore pols who define "realism" the way conglomerates pay 'em to. That's just sanity.

And there is no solution in sight. The game is rigged, the populace is either comatose or powerless.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/FED_dees.jpg

hey look they figured out how to take a picture of the inside of dr. morbius' brain

comatose, powerless, or -- stay with me on this one -- just doesn't agree with you about certain things?

haha I guess that's the sort of thing I'm trying to discuss here, though I'm not sure why I'm bothering

this is pretty much as pointless as trying to engage Geir in a debate after one of his "hip-hop sucks" rants

this is pretty much as pointless as trying to engage Geir in a debate after one of his "hip-hop sucks" rants

does this mean we're going to find a secret paper trail of morbius campaign contributions to rodham

morbius strident but generally otm & it's gotta be just a difference of tone + the fact that everybody loves to pile on - I mean, there's nobody here who isn't pretty massively disapointed with Obama on Iraq, DADT, torture, and a whole host of other things, right? besides any onthread Republicans I mean

I want them to march on D.C. and riot if it comes to that. Burn, Washington, burn.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, July 2, 2009 7:10 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

haha you first

ps we are never leaving iraq

morbius strident but generally otm & it's gotta be just a difference of tone + the fact that everybody loves to pile on - I mean, there's nobody here who isn't pretty massively disapointed with Obama on Iraq, DADT, torture, and a whole host of other things, right? besides any onthread Republicans I mean

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, July 2, 2009 11:46 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and people who didn't have unrealistic expectations?

but we knew this already. It's like some guy walking into a bar without a liquor license and screaming, OMIGOD YOU MEAN I CAN'T GET A TANQ AND TONIC HERE? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Why is there a bar without a liquor license?

We have a few of those here.

the Dirty South, etc.

I am dissapointed in DADT. I am not massively dissapointed in anything. Most of this is because I knew who I was voting for.

These conversations would go a lot better if the people frustrated with Obama would stop treating the people they are arguing with as if they uncritically love everything Obama does and says or as if they are deluded idiots who have NO IDEA of all the nafaroous ways that Obama is planning to prey on them. We are not stupid and you only make yourself look like a moron by behaving like this; perhaps a petulant teen with no social skills and no ability to reason or argue if I am feeling generous. You are too fucking old for that behavior to be at all tolerable.

bleet sheeple bleet

we still have "combat troops" in germany and korea. though not in vietnam, it has to be said...

anyway i'm less concerned with a "brigade a month" promise (or arbitrary benchmark, or pace, or however you want to characterize it) than the near-uniform attitude of iraqis which is LEAVE NOW thx. ricks (i think) has also reported that iraqi pols, maliki chief among them, are trying to outposition each other as the guy who got the US to finally take a hike, but none of them want to be responsible for anybody dying.

morbs' "tone" is to assume that everyone who voted for or supported obama in any capacity worships him as the savior of us politics and can find no wrong with him -- which may describe some obama supporters but afaik doesn't really apply to any ilxor i can think of! it's pretty tiresome to take seriously

as if they are deluded idiots who have NO IDEA of all the nafaroous ways that Obama is planning to prey on them

yeah i mean i'm sure Obama's planning all kinds of nafaroous shit, but it's okay because who knows would nafaroous means anyway???? it could be good???

I mean, there's nobody here who isn't pretty massively disapointed with Obama on Iraq, DADT, torture, and a whole host of other things, right? besides any onthread Republicans I mean

probably not, but I managed to keep from saying "really, fuck you assholes" about it.

it's ridiculous to engage with morbs on any kind of non-clowning level because he makes these ridiculous sweeping statements about Obama fans that are so lame (execept for the awesome nicknames) and abusive that i wonder why anyone bothers.

a few things:

- Mr. Que, you made me spit cereal all over my keyboard. good thing i have one of those protectorcondom things on it right now. keep bringing the roffles.

- i think it is a problem of tone. i pretty much feel the same way as morbz does, but i'm just not...well, i am a blowhard, but i'm sick of this issue. he's the fucking president, he's gonna be an awful SOB who constantly disappoints no matter who he is.

- NAFAROOUS is clearly obama's real name given to him at the madrassa in indonesia as a child.

what a disaster for long, hot summer threads

My tone is the result of believing that all you clear-eyed non-worshipping Obama voters will not do anything to "hold hid feet to the fire." If you've done anything since November, particularly re policy on our 3 current wars, please enlighten me.

(signing MoveOn petitions doesn't count)

acting belligerent on message boards OTOH

some of us have lives with many activities morbz. seriously, where the fuck do you get off saying this shit.

When I had him over for dinner, I punched Obama in the face at least twelve times.

we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".
we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know".

yeah, when i had the money to go to washington to march on the mall, i fucking set fire to Bo and whipped the pup like a cat in West Virginny

alright if you're going to start casting stones, let's see the fucking list of what you've accomplished Morbz, or seriously STFU once and for all about this and go back to film threads

hey barack, hear you're not keeping promises

http://i43.tinypic.com/dggkra.jpg

you know what? Particularly given the record price Obama bought the presidency for, nothing but massive civil disobedience will get the Feds' attention. So forget my request.

seriously STFU once and for all about this and go back to film threads

actually... YEAH.

tabes, wha? i was talking about political expression expressed to the Demublicans.

morbs you can be a cranky shouty clown just own it, don't tell anyone else it's their fault

"look what you made me do" is never a good look

damn, tease

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/pha0224l.jpg

If Obama conducted his presidency in the manner Morbs would like, I honestly think he'd be dead by now.

yep, that's fo sho

we pretty much had this debate last year iirc. basically: "this guy isn't the messiah you know!" vs "yes we know"

we did not have the debate: "yes we know" vs "Obama can be George H.W. Bush, coolio"

it's gonna be a long hot summer for Coolio

lol

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2008/02/04/grateful_dead_reunites_tonight_for_barack_obama_443x290.gif

http://goodjobbb.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/coolio_large.jpg

"it is so hot that my hair is sticking up. i require a lemonade."

HW's stimulus, energy, budget and health care activity was so awesome

for some reason, last year, I thought coolio had passed away

Also can we remember its been a whopping 6 months of his presidency so far? I mean Rome not built in a day etc etc

I do think that unless Obama feels he will lose votes next time, he will continue his strategy of talk left, govern center, and the "feet to the fire" strategy would be people making it known - by organizing, I guess, online - that they will stay home or vote third party if important things like torture, women's reproductive rights not getting cut out in the health care bill (presently there's some profound weaseldom going on on that front), DADT, and other "I voted for you because your line on this was consistent with my beliefs" issues aren't addressed both practically and rhetorically.

I do not consider this petulant teenagerism, and I know Dan at least has no issues with the "I'm stayin' home" response, so I'm cool, if, yeah, disappointed - when a guy says stuff that sounds way awesome, it's always gonna be disappointing to me when his actual work doesn't measure up to his spoken line. No shock to anybody that J0hn D. has naive expectations in that area I guess, nor is that likely to change; my optimism, naive or no - my tendency to hope & believe people will do as they say - is too valuable to me to trade it in for realism; I don't think I could vote at all if I became a realist. I wish Obama would give everybody many awesome reasons to reelect him though!!

xpost Also can we remember its been a whopping 6 months of his presidency so far? I mean Rome not built in a day etc etc

yeah but one has the lurking suspicion that this will be one of the reasons given to reelect him you know? "he needs a second term to get the stuff done you were hoping he'd do in the first one"

Umm the two problems with Morbs's tone are, in reverse order of importance

(a) the rhetorical suggestion that anyone who doesn't agree with his stance must be braindead, soulless, or deluded in order to believe anything else

(b) the fact that he never actually talks about what his stance is, and just enjoys baiting people over their not agreeing with it

The first of those is just a stylistic pose and doesn't much matter, cuz many of us totally enjoy Morbs being a cranky crank and often find it endearing -- the second part is a big problem for me, cuz who wants to be baited by a dude for not agreeing with opinions even that dude himself apparently doesn't take seriously enough to discuss seriously?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/big_brother/2153098/Coolio-says-he-would-die-to-protect-Barack-Obama.html

yeah but one has the lurking suspicion that this will be one of the reasons given to reelect him you know? "he needs a second term to get the stuff done you were hoping he'd do in the first one"

this is very true and worth mentioning, but I'm still giving it a few more years to play out before I get too worked up. dude was dropped into a pretty horrible time to lead this country and there is a large portion of the population (supporters and non alike) ready to tear him a new one for focusing on ANYTHING but the economy. so, let's give a bit more time before completely throwing in the towel

Maybe Morbs should be emailing Coolio.

and, fuck, like I said... the teeny-tiny steps we've seen Obama take forward are light years better than the leaps and fucking bounds backwards under the GOP

nabisco, I find my own views boring (UNANIMITY AT LAST), and do you really not know what they are? by now?

I'd wipe em all out and settle for Obama accomplishing what he said he would. How's that?

I myself have admitted things are getting worse more slowly under Obama-Geithner.

did your old boss ever get mad at you at 9:45 on a Monday morning for not yet accomplishing your work for the week? burn cubicle burn

actually he did, when he found me blowing Tim Geithner. And considering NOTHING will happen in 2012, it's already Tuesday.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, you're pretty much the gold standard in apologists.

honestly Morbs maybe I don't read the right threads but I honestly don't know much about your policy opinions -- definitely a lot less than I know re: your feelings about Democrats, voting, or people who are in favor of those things

who cares

jon /via/ chi 2.0, you're pretty much the gold standard in apologists.

its nice to be appreciated for something. but again, you're projecting some stereotypical "OBAMA MESSIAH" supporter tag on me.

Honestly I'd like to see ILX discuss the political views of someone else for a change.

morbs would not be so angry if we weren't all so stupid and complacent

n/a otm

never said, and g'bye

xp

this is so dramatic

i feel like some pulsating strings are in order

if i accomplish nothing else today, i'll feel as if i had a small part in chasing him from his own creation

this is so sad

do you really think i'd ber posting here, Eric, if I could figure out why LinkedIn won't upload my resume in Word?

ha Morbs I was thinking the other day I don't know what movies you actually like! Same thing here too, I guess.

never coming to a theater near you
never getting elected

never said, and g'bye

31 minutes ago

he never can say g'bye

http://weliveharlem.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/coolio-thegeorge-23.jpg

hi morbs. coolio here. wanna go to the movies? i was thinking about The Hurt Locker. What say you? just let me get rid of this booty and wash my face and we'll be good to go.

irl lols

a suggestion for the morbs/coolio moviegoing experience

really highly recommend perusing the quotes section on that imdb page btw.

obama is currently six (make that seven) minutes late to his rose garden presser regarding the new unemployment figures. impeach the bastard

maybe morbs is on the phone with him

he finally showed up at 2:37, seventeen full minutes late. why does he still have a job?

"ha ha ha our ruse has worked, Morbs. Thanks for the help. Oh btw, I'm catching an advance screening of Bruno w/ Coolio, wanna come with?"

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/cont_dees.jpg

He's so giddy!

that pic is so great - I love that he's got the constitution in the shredder but still keeps the Lincoln bust

morbs would not be so angry if we weren't all so stupid and complacent

― juliette brioche (elmo argonaut), Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

pretty much. and aren't you angry about this too?

I'd rather be complacent.

that pic is so great - I love that he's got the constitution in the shredder but still keeps the Lincoln bust

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, July 2, 2009 3:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i love that he's having such a hilarious conversation on the red nuclear hotline

I'd rather be complacent.

― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 2, 2009 2:27 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i already am :(

The Israel flag is a great touch, and it matches the carpet. (xxpost)

the more I look at it the more confused it is - wasn't one of the righty scares on O that he was gonna be bad for Israel? do anti-Obama ppl think of Marx when they think of Israel? this picture is an instant classic

wasn't one of the righty scares on O that he was gonna be bad for Israel?

i think by that point they were just throwing shit at a wall

yeah and now it's "he wants to give the country to Israel" - it's like the cartoonist's political point is "Obama something something Israel something something Karl Marx something something Constitution"

which I have to admit is a pretty good point

yeah i say "by that point", but really these dudes are perpetually in feces-flinging mode. i know the Dems (& liberals by and large) are hardly better in this arena, but damn the incoherence is rather staggering

that picture doesn't make any sense--is there really a paper shredder in the oval office???

where else would you shred the Constitution?

something something nuclear war

is she still alive?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/images/2008/07/09/rose_mary_woods.jpg

where else would you shred the Constitution?

― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 2, 2009 2:55 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

in a gay abortionist's s&m dungeon

he more I look at it the more confused it is - wasn't one of the righty scares on O that he was gonna be bad for Israel? do anti-Obama ppl think of Marx when they think of Israel? this picture is an instant classic

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 2 July 2009 19:42 (29 minutes ago) Permalink

facehugger munchin' lady liberty as members of the illuminati cackle from a heli: tell me bros is it n0ize????

he more I look at it the more confused it is - wasn't one of the righty scares on O that he was gonna be bad for Israel? do anti-Obama ppl think of Marx when they think of Israel? this picture is an instant classic

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 2 July 2009 19:42 (29 minutes ago) Permalink

j0hn, the answer, i think, is jews

basically the artist is some crazy conspiracist guy; coherent politics don't really enter the picture

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/horns_dees.jpg

who is that on the far right? jack white?

clinton and gore, no?

if only fdr had kept his campaign promise to "balance the budget" in 33

Don't show Morbs this article.

this worked out really well for the good doctor

campaign promise fulfilled?

Blood Oath to Moloch fulfilled.

but, um, even though dr. m is (purposely?) antagonistic about it, doesn't he have a point about being pissed with obama for being an equivocating centrist? unless you expected him to be just that from the beginning.

I expected him to be a centrist. I expected any Democrat elected President to be a centrist. This is largely because I am not delusional about Amercian politics.

but, um, even though dr. m is (purposely?) antagonistic about it, doesn't he have a point about being pissed with obama for being an equivocating centrist?

He absolutely has a point! I guess some people just don't like it when somebody says "really, fuck you assholes" without really engaging on the question of why they're the assholes. He lives in NYC -- as far as I'm concerned, he's surrounded by millions of people who exist solely to be screamed at by some old dude with no impulse control.

that probably explains his frustration with obama apologists too

I guess some people just don't like it when somebody says "really, fuck you assholes" without really engaging on the question of why they're the assholes.

You like being called an asshole?

No. Count me in with "some people."

who are the presidents who kept 95+ percent of their campaign "promises?"

pretty sure i heard W say, "i will fuck up the country in ways you people can't even begin to imagine," albeit not in those exact words.

I think Eisenhower came closest, actually (maybe the best Cold War president)

(xpost)

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

then: lol
now: "lol"

leaving aside the question of "breaking campaign promises" (zzzzzzz....), the only actually interesting question about iraq is whether obama is approaching it intelligently or not, whether he should be doing things he isn't or shouldn't be doing things he is. and tbh i just don't know yet. the 16-month timeframe he promised was as arbitrary as anything else, and the fact that obviously we'll still have thousands and thousands of troops there after 16 months in itself doesn't tell me whether that's a good or bad thing. i'm not going to ask morbz what he would do in obama's place because that's an absurd question, but i will say that i certainly don't know what i'd do. i mean even if you don't assume obama has an imperial mindset and blah blah blah -- even if you were willing to grant him the benefit of several doubts that his biggest concern is minimizing the carnage going forward (and actually i do think that's at least ONE of his concerns) -- it's not obvious that withdrawing troops either faster or slower is the best way to do that. people are still getting blown up in iraq, and people will continue to get blown up in iraq for some time to come, probably no matter what we do. otoh, what we do might possibly affect the rate and level of people being blown up in iraq, which is why it's worth trying hard to avoid assorted worst-case scenarios.

but that's all very complicated and actually nobody KNOWS the best things to do or rate to do them at. so it's easier to just sneer at people who voted for obama over john mccain.

260 answers for a Morbz troll? bad show ilx

You guys are aware he got sbed, right?

good show ilx

What I got from this thread is that /they/ want to take away my wii and I'd like to say:

I'm totally not cool with that. I will protest.

You guys are aware he got sbed, right?

no!

they sbed morbius, and i didn't say anything because i wasn't morbius...

(i am not at all convinced that this whole sb thing is in any way improving the ilx experience, fwiw.)

it's improving the lol experience

soon there will only be 50 of us left, leaving us in a sisyphean sugban hell

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2414/2496112532_cf9b82fa05.jpg

http://slicedbreadtwo.com/images/uploads/COLMKBTWL.gif

wait Morbz is really sb'd? that's lame

and LinkedIn appears to be down for maintenance... coincidence?

that sucks, morb doesn't deserve to be SB'd while there are tons of willfully disgusting, vile posters left on this sinking ship.

suggest meds

I wish this place would get rid of the SB feature. It's stupid.

he didn't do anything ban-worthy. he simply wasn't well liked. pretty lame. i have never SB'd anybody, but i think i'll start.

he didn't do anything ban-worthy. he simply wasn't well liked

well, this is the flaw in the sb system that always gets tuomas so riled up - the system relies on the integrity of its users, and that can't be controlled here. however, I kind of like that the community end up getting what it, as a body, wants: I feel Morbius was a valuable member (and will be again, I assume), whether irritating or no; a community made up solely of people who're totally cool with other sounds way boring imo

however, on the other hand, the whole discussion is very boring, so I am sb'ing myself for participating in it

i am torn because i don't think morbs should have been sb'd for his confrontational behavior, probably because I know morbs as a real life human who drinks bloody marys and is a bunch of fun to hang out with. however, i am glad that other ILXors were SB'd for being rude/confrontational/trolling.

a message board without trolls is like an old folks home without the cranky old people.

stop setting up easy jokes

lol

every film thread has suffered this day. Bring Back Morbs.

I'm trying to be as cruel as possible in attacking Public Enemies but need help.

Perhaps a Banner's Remorse thread?

my understanding is that morbs loved the picture

Mann see u

a message board without trolls is like an old folks home without the cranky old people.

^This is funny and true, but i don't even think 'troll' describes Morbius. He just used ILX to vent sometimes - sometimes resulting in good threads.
But I think it's a big mistake to put a system in place that bans people for any other reason than harassment, or purposely ruining other people's threads by derailing it into off-topic meta garbage (I realize I am basically doing this right now, but this thread is dead without Morbs anyway). The SB system is basically a popularity filter.

Anyone who came into this thread, knowing who started it, and hit SB for anything he said in here, just sucks IRL imo.

I promise I won't say anything more on the matter. I'm mostly a lurker and don't want to get all metal about ILX, but I think this sucks, and I hope he does come back if the thing is lifted, which I'm sure it will be, because I always enjoyed his contrarian style - especially on the film threads.

lol "metal". too late for that!

Yeah, I don't get the reason for the ban, this was a very amusing thread. Morbs was being cranky, other folks were being jokey, didn't seem like it was getting ugly though.

really, fuck you assholes

its well-known that he's a boor/bore on political threads but he's great on the film stuff

How does it work -- is one banned from a thread and/or banned from ILE?

site

oof

Ta ta!

look i love morbs but i think even he would realize once you're reduced to typing "fuck you assholes" on a message board it's time for a breather - at least some of these sb's must have come from a "it's for your own good" kind of feeling

suggest chill

haha exactly

Chronicle of a ban foretold:

never get rid of suggest ban, we're finally getting to the event horizon where all the tards are dropping like flies

― [.]¿[.] (and what), Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

guess what, being an unpopular dick makes you more likely to taste mod, democratic bans just cut out the middle man

― 'lop chalpagne (and what), Friday, February 27, 2009 2:04 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im all for everyone from ilx eventually getting banned btw

― 'lop chalpagne (and what), Friday, February 27, 2009 1:53 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if an asshole like me can only have 30 and change theres no excuse

― 'lop chalpagne (and what), Friday, February 27, 2009 1:53 PM (6 days ago)

cosign all the above!

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:42 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You know that post is going to look awfully ironic in about six months, right?

― •--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:15 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

know, or care?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:18 PM (3 months ago)

rockapads yr not a lurker, what the hell

look i love morbs but i think even he would realize once you're reduced to typing "fuck you assholes" on a message board it's time for a breather - at least some of these sb's must have come from a "it's for your own good" kind of feeling

cosign.

xp i read a LOT more than i post, but you're right.

I've been away from ILX for a few weeks (in Argentina if you must know) and so missed all the sb's, but as someone who Morbius called out a few times as an Obama fanboy I want to say that sb'ing Morbius is silly. This place is best when we have informed argument, and while Morbius wasn't always (or even usually) up to that standard himself, he pushed the rest of us further in that direction and for that was valuable.

morbz got SB'd?

man what's up with people?

why the fuck do people even touch that SB button? so dumb

I henceforth pledge that I won't ever sb anyone again.

http://www.fbcweatherford.com/promise_keepers/images/promisekeepers.jpg

Morbs and I share a lot of political beliefs, and I like him very much as a guy, but he wasn't starting debate here – he was killing it. Lots of us (J0hn D, nabisco, Shakey, etc) write contrarian posts without adducing Dennis Perrin.

misread that as "abducting" dennis perrin at first

morbs is the armond white of political threads

I think there's conversational room between starting and killing debate, and while Morbius was typically closer to the latter than to the former, he still pushed those of us interested in articulating our own views a little further.

when I see velko's new handle I keep goin "wait did I say that? I don't even know who armond white is!" and shit like that

haha wow, i didn't even SB Morbz

morbs got SB'd?! what the heck? he drives me up the wall sometimes but that's lame. can someone un-SB?

I've been away from ILX for a few weeks (in Argentina if you must know)

man you are milking this joke lolz

Morbz un-suggest-ban poll

he's gonna be back in like 2 weeks or something, if he wants to be

i like to imagine him and ethan K.O.ing chickenshit hillbillies together in ILX heaven

http://web.tiscalinet.it/antarias/foto/ugo1.jpg

Ban's lifted tomorrow, right?

I was hoping this would be a Morbs revive simply reading "Back, bitches" tbh