That's When I Reach for My SB Button

A list or a discussion of what kind of posting makes you want to click the SB. Or actually click it. Suggested guidelines:

a) There's a bunch of other threads for debating the merits/demerits of the system. This is for something else.
b) No publicity for erstwhile ILXors and professional controversialists.
c) Let's recognise and celebrate diversity thru the medium of SBing people.

d) We're probably all massive hypocrites so hey, how about trying to avoid the old ad hom?

1. People who turn up on threads on ILM to remind us yet again that they hate a particular band/genre, without actually adding anything to the discussion

I've never clicked SB, but I'm most tempted to whenever an unfamiliar name tries for first-response-hall-of-fame on a promising thread.

2. Threads where the intention is blatantly to get some hot challopy clusterfuck action going, because the subject has been thrashed thru 20 times in the last month e.g. why does black people never want to indie? etc

I have never clicked it. I can imagine situations where I would consider it, possibly, mostly personal attacks on people, but it'd have to be pretty far over the line before I did.

have only SB'd self :-/

I have never sb'd but probably something racist might make me use it. But then again maybe not even that.

3. people repeatedly talking shit about recently deceased on threads started to post yr RIPs or share fond memories (thankfully not referring to anything regarding the recent passing of our buddy B).

4. Starting what feels like huge amounts of polls in a short space of time about relatively minority interest subjects with an unworkable number of voting options and a month-long deadline.

xxxpost: out of interest, was there a reason for that, will?

not naming any names but what most of the people who hit 51 have in common is an inability to cease engaging in behavior that theyve been repeatedly asked to stop

also judging by my posting habits and the fact that im fairly high on the list id guess that five-to-six-word snarky posts in threads that other people are taking v seriously is a pretty good way to garner an SB or two

noodle u must use SB like 20 times daily?

5. If someone references a Mission of Burma song in a thread title, that would really piss me off. Never seen it yet though.

6. Anybody who says "Lock Thread" after announcing their opinion on Best something/POO/whatever, as if their awesome pronouncement and judgement has rendered all further discussion unnecessary.

xxxpost max yeah I think the repeated behavious thing is probably true, most of my instances are like "you're saying this again???"

xxpost mark I'm not proud I'm trying to confess and work this out in public. plus I think they've switched my SB button off

Things that send me reaching for the button:

- Really obvious Wagemann-style trolling (this is way out in front actually)
- Creepiness
- Ostentatious disregard for celebrity death
- Consistently making the same point again and again and again without engaging with people who are trying to debate with you, particularly if this involves tedious grandstanding
- Outright nastiness/rote image zings/ridiculously flying off handle about something
- Posting images that are just outright horrible
- Posters talking down to people who disagree with them like they are idiots

btw i pretty much only use it when one poster is pretty clearly being a dick to another. personal attacks are about it afaic

- Posting images that are just outright horrible

uh oh... :-(

Have SB'd:

own old login
Matt P when he started "Captain Lorax Suggest Ban Drive"

...and thus it shall remain, unless another irresistible opportunity for ironic justice presents itself

i don't believe i have ever SB'd someone

I think this will mostly break down between people who mainly hate personal attacks, and people who get irritated by posting styles or some of the stuff already listed. I'm wondering, really, which side out-SBs the other? Plus maybe it ought to be clear what kind of stuff at least some posters find maddening.

btw <3 Matt you master of chaos you

(Matt P that is although you Helgeson are similarly <3worthy)

Yeah, I've never done this, but I can imagine using it in the event of hatefulness or a personal attack. I'm a full-grown adult with somewhat functional psychic armor, so I don't get butthurt over much else.

Stan - it pretty much has to involve blood, death, genitalia or combination of above for a pic to count as outright horrible.

Something that SB *does* seem to have cut out is furious image bombing in order to try and kill a thread, unless cute animals are involved.

i don't believe i have ever SB'd someone

Me neither. I've been more tempted to run over and punch that person's jaw.

- repeated attempts to be funny or zingy which aren't actually funny at all
- being a dick to someone else who wasn't being a dick in the first place

- general bullying behaviour

I think the imagebombing still happens occasionally, I've always thought the mods have been reasonable judges of when a thread probably deserves to be left to bombardment.

can't remember if have SBed anyone or not. did pretty much decide not to but may have done so beforehand.

It would take someone promoting nazism or paedophilia for me to click on that button. People using SB only cause they're annoyed by someone have a tolerance issue imo.

Serious answers:

1) feuding and personal attacks on posters. (Though thankfully most of the people who repeatedly engaged in this kind of activity have been removed either by SB or Mod Action.)

2) blatant sexism or misogyny. This is almost a kneejerk thing, I don't waste time arguing with people who pull this crap, I just bit the SB. Often repeatedly.

3) those who speak ill of the dead. Like Fetchboy describes, people who go amoung grieving people specifically to wind them up and cause trouble. Except, I'm sorry, I did do this on the B thread. Emotions were running high.

I don't think I would ever hit SB just on someone because I disagreed with what they were saying. It's more the intent, if I think they are trying to deliberately hurt or upset someone. Except for blatant misogyny. That shit has no place in the modern world.

- When a poster is straight up cruel to another person or group of people on the board, with no apparent provocation or basis for the cruelty (not that cruelty, by definition, is justifiable but I can usually recognize the difference between somebody being straight up hateful and a long-evolving, no-holds-barred beef).
- When a poster is unapologetically (or sometimes even cluelessly, if said cluelessness appears willful) misogynist, especially if that poster advocates or excuses violence against women or rape.
- Creepy, stalky, threatening awfulness (often a subset of previous).
- Racism, willful, clueless, or otherwise.
- This one is more cumulative, but if a poster is being nonstop judgmental or condescending about a particular activity or thing to the point that the otherwise very pleasant discussion about said activity or thing turns into nothing more than the soon-to-be SB'd poster's tirade about why that activity or thing sucks. This is fifth in the list, but in terms of my personal tolerance, this is orders of magnitude more tolerable to me than the first four scenarios.

Have SBd one person, I think as a result of her misreading a point I made and continuing to use it as argument leverage even after it had been explained

Let's be honest.

1. Annoying me. I mean, I try to keep it to the absolutely most extreme. I think I've only clicked SB maybe 3-4 times? Maybe 5-6. I can't remember. But not a lot.

Anglophobia

ur touchy about ur english pizzas huh

/sorry

creepiness
racism/misogyny
being unreasonably mean to particular posters, even if i don't like them
irrelevant TMI
snobbishness/jerkiness

*Posters talking down to people who disagree with them like they are idiots*

using ALL CAPS for emphasis WHEN bold OR italic would be FINE. but only sometimes.
concern trolling

xxxpost: out of interest, was there a reason for that, will?

iirc it was for posting something assholish while drinking. self-hating SB-er.

I should maybe have cross-referenced this with a "How seriously do you take SBs?" question. I honestly know that it's not cool to SB people just for annoying the fuck out of me, but I have faith in the system as a whole that it takes a concerted effort of annoyance for somebody to get 51d and I can just vent my spleen like some grumpy old man sounding his car horn without any long term bad effects.

I've SB'd a few people, but for most of them the reasons have been unmemorable to me.

The one case that I distinctively remember was and_what, who at the time was just posting links on a regular basis to news stories about racism and/or news stories that were racist. I felt that his behavior was really one-note and I just don't think of ILX as my one-stop shopping internet repository for racism.

Looking back on this, I wish I hadn't SB'd him and instead had engaged with him more constructively in a dialog, but that was really before the SB shit started to hit the fan.

yeah i take them moderately seriously only because i know that if i sb someone for simply being annoying i'm probably only one of a few so my sb won't mean anything and i can go ahead and do it

Now that I'm thinking about it, I could be tempted to utilize SB in threads where someone pops in simply to point out the fact that they hate the thing being discussed in the thread, over and over and over again. YOU MEAN TO TELL US THAT, AS A FAN OF CANNIBAL CORPSE, YOU ARE NOT SO MUCH A FAN OF MILEY CYRUS? REALLY?!? PLEASE TELL US AGAIN.

Ha ha. I'll bet harbl just SB-ed me.

nope!

i'm talking about like single words at a time so all i can read is 5 words out of the entire paragraph and i feel like i'm being yelled at

Let's be honest.

1. Annoying me. I mean, I try to keep it to the absolutely most extreme. I think I've only clicked SB maybe 3-4 times? Maybe 5-6. I can't remember. But not a lot.

― Like most people my age, I am 33 (Laurel), Monday, August 10, 2009 11:31 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This sounds about right.

(have been tempted by certain threads/posts that seemed to be a set-up for being "victimized" by board toughs. never actually hit the SB tho)

I think at first it was just kind of a "grrr, argh, I hate you!" reflex and I didn't take it too seriously.

Until Tuomas got SB'd, and that quite upset me, and I started using them a lot less frequently and more carefully since.

I wouldn't stealth-SB if the person hadn't already been a cunt on the thread. It's strictly a "you knew this was coming when you hit 'Submit Post', didn't you" kind of thing.

My Recent SBs option on the menu would be sweet actually. Relive the fury.

Let's be honest.

1. Annoying me. I mean, I try to keep it to the absolutely most extreme. I think I've only clicked SB maybe 3-4 times? Maybe 5-6. I can't remember. But not a lot.

― Like most people my age, I am 33 (Laurel), Monday, August 10, 2009 11:31 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is the same for me. it takes maybe 50+ annoying posts to make me click the SB on the one post that broke the camels back

I don't know how quickly old SBs are cleared, but if it happened say monthly, would that mostly eliminate "arrrrgh you've pissed me off" long-term 51-ings and target the system on heinous cockmongers?

where someone pops in simply to point out the fact that they hate the thing being discussed in the thread, over and over and over again.

Yeah, that makes me crazy. It's as though it's not enough for the poster to hate the thing. The poster has to also try to ruin everybody else's enjoyment of the thing. A thread about a certain TV show, much beloved by me, devolved into two or three people just posting about how much they hated the show, which is so. fucking. annoying. Like, okay! We got the point after the fifth time you popped it to say that this TV show sucks, and responded to people's reasoned discussion of what they enjoyed about the most recent episode by saying that the show totally sucks. Thanks for the contribution.

Anyway, I did not SB anybody (I don't think) in that particular thread because I know that I'm a total stan for that much beloved by me TV show and wasn't sure if I was being over-sensitive, and because the offending posters are pretty alright in other contexts.

Generally before I click SB, I think about it in terms of this person already having 50 SBs and my click rendering this person permanently banned, so I guess, yeah I take it really seriously.

repeated attempts to be funny or zingy which aren't actually funny at all

Sometimes I just can't help myself :-(

Never expected something like that would warrant a SB, though. Really?

haha Jenny, that is exactly why I stopped posting on the "How I Met Your Mother" thread

After Dr. Morbius got sb'd I decided to stop clicking the sb button for the most part. Before that, I clicked it mostly for dickishness/snark, especially by posters who seem to have nothing positive to say pretty much ever (ILX was a lot more this way a year ago than it is now, and it's made this a much better board I think). Also, I've been tempted to sb the serial misspellers/text-message-like spellers just for that because it does annoy the fuck out of me, but I think I held off on that; and post-Morbius I don't intend to do that. If the board swings back towards its old lunkheadedness then I'll reconsider.

for using the phrase 'semi-veggies who eat fish'

I've been tempted to sb the serial misspellers/text-message-like spellers just for that because it does annoy the fuck out of me

Considered SBing you for that ;-)

shit, that should read "it's better now than it was a year ago".

Yeah, Dan, I guess I could just revise my last SB-worth scenario to:

Constantly shitting on everybody else's good time.

i do feel like i've run out of ppl to SB. that's something.

I don't think it's fair to SB people for spelling/gramatical errors on a board with no spellcheck and no edit function.

That really does just feel like picking on people who are differently abled.

I've seen some of the boards best, oldest posters fuck up an it's/its.

not liking txt-speak, kicking over a kid in a wheelchair. so similar.

yeah, I've not done it I don't think; and I don't mean people who make typos, I mean the people who type all "u kno ths is the best band evar lol"

i was going to complain about people who complain about bad spellers!

Euler, please don't read the comments on http://icanhascheezburger.com/

but that's more of an irl pet peeve xp

Yeah it's a pet peeve of mine harbl but hey I like Euler! plus I'm trying to reform

haha euler are me/joe/cankles ur least fave posters???

yeah i didn't sb him for that. i might consider sb'ing someone for complaining about irl bad spellers/bad grammarers

I am a changed man too, fuk the sb, no mor of it 4 me

wtg

1. repetition

2. obliviousness

3. unwillingness to read

also, Jenny otm all around

for using the phrase 'semi-veggies who eat fish'
― koogs, Monday, August 10, 2009 4:49 PM (9 minutes ago)

ahahaha

sorry, I suck at typing that way, bring the sb

nah, max, I just have a hard time parsing your posts sometimes, and those of a few other posters. It's petty and not a good reason for sb I don't think.

matt dc also otm, except about horrible images.

not naming any names but what most of the people who hit 51 have in common is an inability to cease engaging in behavior that theyve been repeatedly asked to stop

― max, Monday, August 10, 2009 11:19 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark

"not naming any names off this list of half a dozen names"

- racist/sexist/homophobic stuff
- disrespect to towards the subject of an RIP thread
- people who join ILX and then start a thread that says "hey listen to this great band" and it turns out to be their own band

ya i understand euler i just hate punctuation and capitals and certain vowels in the middle of words

One thing I was going to point out on the other thread is that people would be surprised how little SBing there actually is. Unless someone does something really bad or one poster goes on an SB rampage, think it averages out at maybe one or two a day.

Consistent obnoxious trolling (gabbneb) and/or really repellant behavior (cankles). I didn't SB Morbius, but I can see why people might as his behavior on some political threads probably qualified on both counts.

no prob max, kiu

Have we seen any racist, sexist, and homophobic stuff of late -- in the last five years, say? I really don't remember.

xps
I should hope so but after reading some of these though I wish you could SB SBs.

That was to MattDC's remark.

Generally the only thing that I click on the SB button for is pointless, rote snideyness.

momus is gonna loooove this thread

i always sb people who express unpopular opinions

Have we seen any racist, sexist, and homophobic stuff of late -- in the last five years, say? I really don't remember.

Does this really matter for the purposes of this discussion? Even if ILX is a particularly progressive community w/r/t these issues, it's good to know that a lot of people here would not stand for that kind of shit, given that this is an open community or that a regular poster might be been biding his/her time, waiting to post his/her racist/misogynist/homophobic magnum opus of a thread. It sounds like you're suggesting that people need not name racist/sexist/homophobic posts as something that would prompt at SB because, in your assessment, we haven't seen much racist, sexist, or homophobic stuff as of late.

Honest apologies if I'm misreading you - feel free to SB me if "misreading my posts" makes your list of SB-worthy offenses.

Sorry, all you guys in all those ILM threads. I thought it said 'suggest band'. My bad.

Have we seen any racist, sexist, and homophobic stuff of late -- in the last five years, say? I really don't remember.

Jay Blanchard and Roger Adultery were both mod-banned for racism, IIRC.

You're thinking too much about my question, Jenny; I merely asked if we've seen many examples recently. Thanks for answering it anyway -- and to jaymc.

Totally forgot about Roger. What a jerk that guy was.

I only SB jerks

that is, I don't really care about posting styles or protocol or content - if yr just being a rude asshole for no apparent reason, then gtfo

Anyone who leaves the dishes in the sink overnight = instant SB.

i guess i feel like when you SB someone you SB yourself.

because getting butthurt about things on the internet only brings shame on your family and reflects poorly on you.

i still feel really embarrassed about my blowup with whiney about crabcore and mr. bungle.

"i guess i feel like when you SB someone you SB yourself"

That would be an awesome twist!

I think I've only SB'd like two people and folks can probably guess who they are

generally speaking i comedy-SB when people are asking for it, semi-sincerely SB when a poster has a tedious style, sincerely SB when someone is a troll or a racist.

I would only really SB people who obviously trolled and viciously attacked (me). And I do mean really aggressively attacked people. (I'm selfish like that.) But honestly I don't think I'm active enough to perceive who should(n't) be SB. On top of that I hate SB. Unless it's down and out mean and during a prolonged period, I think SB is rather anti-ILX. I always like ILX because it was so open and free. *shrug* Also, get a flipping life if you're that bothered by attacks. (I mean pestering. If it's threats, then you're out.)

Liked. I still like ILX but it lost something when the suggest ban button was introduced. It's bit... juvenile.

if y'all been so parsimonious with yr sb'ing then how comes a brother can get so many huh ;)

thread would be better if NAMES were NAMED but then i think ilx would be kinda awkward for a few days

I like how you answer your semi-joking question with your next sentence

How many people have actually been banned by SBing? I got the impression it was only like 3 or 4. Some other folks (like Roger, Dom, JW) got mod-banned for other stuff, right?)

understanding now that one's first sb results in "a break from the site" (which imo has done good things for a couple posters) i have used it that way for one or two folks who seemed to need it.

alex there is a list somewhere on the felled by sb thread.

Everybody who gets sb'd should have their screenname on a spike at the top of the site new answers page.

I don't really understand this "don't get butthurt about things on the internet" idea. If somebody in real life says something deeply stupid or offensive to my beliefs then I'm gonna react on some level, even if only internally in a "wow that person is a nob I will avoid their conversation in future" kind of way. Why is the internet any different to real life in that regard? Agreed I should probably react less strongly to ideas I strongly disagree with, but that applies equally online and off. I'm more tolerant irl anyway cos it's easier to clarify the nuances of a disagreement face to face.

talking shit about pizza bacon beers or tv shows sb

i'm not saying you have to not get upset inside or disagree strongly

it's just a spazz is self-humiliation IMO and it never gets erased by time like IRL

Jasper: Talking out of turn...that's a suggest ban. Looking out the
window...that's a suggest ban. Staring at my sandals...that's a
suggest ban. Paddling the school canoe...ooh, you better believe
that's a suggest ban.

Oh yeah I get it, anger to the point of losing your cool is never a good look anywhere, really.

I'm completely mortified at the idea of SBing anyone.

You're thinking too much about my question, Jenny

Story of my life, my friend.

i've never SB'd or been tempted. most of the talk on ilx is so much less aggravating and stupid than most of the internet that it seems like a relative haven of civility even at its least civil.

i did campaign for banning of a troll (or puppet, it was hard to tell) on another forum i frequent, but that was for blatant, repeated racism and gay-bashing. he was eventually kicked off.

i actually find ilx pretty amazing compared to other boards i've lurked, try reading the imdb boards and yelp boards if you ever want to really see how solid this joint is.

^^^worth reminding yrself of many times over.

"alex there is a list somewhere on the felled by sb thread."

So it's like nine people almost all of whom are back?

Yep.

^^^ Context

I got bored reading this thread quickly so it could be covered but is there any easy way to figure out how many times you've been sb'd?

Ask the mods.

i actually find ilx pretty amazing compared to other boards i've lurked, try reading the imdb boards and yelp boards if you ever want to really see how solid this joint is.

Me, too! Even compared to so-called gold standard internet communities like Metafilter, ILX is a much more entertaining and pleasant place. No lie: I met some of my favorite IRL friends through ILX. All I've ever met via Metafilter is smug wankers.

i actually find ilx pretty amazing compared to other boards i've lurked, try reading the imdb boards and yelp boards if you ever want to really see how solid this joint is.

― omar little, Monday, August 10, 2009 5:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OTfuckin'm

I think I hit SB a few times when the meta-SB discussion was getting nasty, but now I'd only ever hit it if someone had been actively bullying one or more other posters for a sustained period of time. I don't like the idea of it, really, and certainly not for something as trivial as posting style. Otherwise we really will descend into some sort of Momusian hivemind (eek!).

Also, NV, "wow that person is a nob I will avoid their conversation in future" doesn't really translate into giving them an SB - surely suggest banning them is more like asking the bouncer to remove them from the premises? Would you really do that if they were just really boring or telling stupid jokes in the corner? (I promise not to extend this metaphor any further, honest.)

I got bored reading this thread quickly so it could be covered but is there any easy way to figure out how many times you've been sb'd?
― The last Gooner optimist: (a hoy hoy), Monday, August 10, 2009 6:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

3. unwillingness to read
― Baitullah Sumdud (goole), Monday, August 10, 2009 5:59 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do it goole

boredom is fine

is there any easy way to figure out how many times you've been sb'd?

Wow. I can think of no quicker way to make myself uber-paranoid and never want to post here again than actively seeking out the answer to this question.

This metaphor could get pretty convoluted emil.y I agree but I can imagine if 51 people asked the bouncer to throw somebody out it might have some justification, plus that person wouldn't necessarily be barred for life, plus maybe they'd be better off in a different pub?

But I'm admitting that my SB motivations can be petty but that's partly cos I expect the outcome to be petty. Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets irked beyond endurance by stuff that isn't specifically "mean".

i mean honestly, we've got our trolls and our unmissed former ilxors but those other places i mentioned (among others) are about as useful and interesting as youtube comments.

xxp You'll be surprised how few it is. Seriously very few people have the requisite obnoxious necessary to get themselves to 52.

3. people repeatedly talking shit about recently deceased on threads started to post yr RIPs or share fond memories (thankfully not referring to anything regarding the recent passing of our buddy B).

― Fetchboy, Monday, August 10, 2009 12:17 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i SB'd someone last week for in my opinion being the biggest asshole on two RIP threads in one day

That was the first time you SB'd Shakey Mo, Al?

those other places i mentioned (among others) are about as useful and interesting as youtube comments

And I know this will be controversial but sometimes an SB can be motivated by a desire for ILX not to become like some of the shitty other boards.

plus that person wouldn't necessarily be barred for life,

Is it just me, or was SB originally meant to be a permaban, and once people like Tuomas and gabbneb got 51 SBs, this was revised to a month's ban. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, and it was always just a temporary ban.

That was the first time you SB'd Shakey Mo, Al?

Pretty sure I know who he's talking about, and it's not Shakey Mo.

what jaymc said

SB is a permaban in the sense that the ban is placed without a time limit on it; in practice, I don't believe there was ever any intent to allow people banned by the system to be gone forever without any type of moderator review.

This metaphor could get pretty convoluted emil.y I agree but I can imagine if 51 people asked the bouncer to throw somebody out it might have some justification, plus that person wouldn't necessarily be barred for life, plus maybe they'd be better off in a different pub?

You see, I pretty much agree with this, but what worries me is if people are saying that they are willing to press SB just because they find someone's posting (or, if we're going with the metaphor, conversational) style tedious (rather than offensive) then surely asking for them to be removed is somewhat overreacting. On the other hand, this thread is for what makes you want to press SB, not necessarily when you actually do so, and those in the know have said not many actually happen, so maybe it is being concerned over nothing.

"Pretty sure I know who he's talking about, and it's not Shakey Mo."

Sorry I was making a joke.

SB is a permaban in the sense that the ban is placed without a time limit on it

― I am over wieght and I have angelical quilities (HI DERE), Monday, August 10, 2009 1:01 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I also like the idea of having an automatic unban counter because sometimes I/we forget exactly when someone was banned and don't unban them immediately on the day their ban should be up.

― I am over wieght and I have angelical quilities (HI DERE), Monday, August 10, 2009 10:57 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

??

The ban doesn't automatically lift but it isn't regarded as permanent by the mods, those two posts are consistent.

NV OTM; we have been over this countless times before.

But the earlier post suggests that there is a "day their ban should be up," which would imply a "time limit" on the ban.

Sorry if I am being dense.

I too like th eidea of having an automatic unban counter.

In the first post, I am talking about the moderator process around the suggest ban system.

In the second post, I am talking about how the suggest ban functionality of the website works, completely separate from the moderator process surrounding it.

oh another thing which absolutely makes me press SB is the kind of subtle dickishness which no one can call out w/out seeming like they're overreacting, but which is obviously designed to goad some of the more easily-provoked posters, or stir shit. SB is v useful for that b/c any attempt to hash out why that behaviour isn't acceptable is doomed to failure.

there isn't much of this around any more, but also posters who would make a habit of backing up bullies with well-placed "lol" responses to mean-spirited attacks.

yeah true, lex, i definitely tend to click on SB when i've gotten to the point where i have no desire to argue with that person anymore but really feel like it's my only non-confrontational way of objecting to their posting without getting into an annoying fight -- have done this a couple times w/ posters that i like but who i think need a time out

With all those reasons, Lex you must SB multiple people a day surely?!

Some dude, can't you just walk away if such a thing happens? I mean 'no desire to argue anymore'... Why not simply stop arguing?

Sorry, I still don't get it, Dan. Is there a time limit for bans or not? And if not, how would you know when someone's ban is up?

it's informal

can't remember the last time i SBed anyone! haven't had much time lately to read the clusterfuck argument threads i guess. there's only a handful of posters who annoy me enough to press SB on them anyway, and i've probably done them all already.

Some dude, can't you just walk away if such a thing happens? I mean 'no desire to argue anymore'... Why not simply stop arguing?

― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, August 10, 2009 2:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that was my point...that I hit SB and then either stopped looking at the thread because I knew it was just going to get worse, or lurked but stopped posting, or continued posting without arguing with that person.

The software, as coded, bans people. There is no time limit on when the ban is lifted as far as the software is concerned.

The way the mods are using the feature, we take note of when someone has been banned and do our best to make sure we lift the ban a month later.

Therefore, in practical application, suggest bans last about a month. Behind the scenes, the software has no concept of a time limit on the bans.

Does this make sense?

But still all three options you name are preceded by hitting SB, because as you say "but really feel like it's my only non-confrontational way of objecting to their posting without getting into an annoying fight"

Isn't that just a way of satisfying yourself, leaving the thread alone but thinking "But still I was right and you're wrong sucker.. *hits SB*"

xp

i think what everyone ought to do is post more cool shit and less retarded garbage. that will help solve a lot of our problems around here!!

^^ Suggest Beauty, I like it! :-)

The SB is the giving someone that last look of "My New Year's resolution was not to argue with crazy people" and then turning your back on them and speaking to someone else. It sends a message and disengages at the same time.

Laurel OTM, that's pretty much what I'm trying to say, LBI.

just SB'd goole for insensitive usage of the word "retarded" btw

deserved!

Does this make sense?

Yes, thank you.

All right, got it some dude.

NV, I think this is a good thread idea b/c it gets at something that bugs me about our usual sb discussions: which is that they're framed as "us against the mods". But if sb is a problem, it's because of posters using the feature---well, I guess that includes the mods since presumably they can sb, and there seem to be lots of mods now. But anyway, my point is that it's good to talk out our expectations of how sb'ing works on our own views, to help establish more explicitly what are the community's implicit guidelines.

Or in other words, the sb feature doesn't sb people, I do. (Or did.)

well-placed "lol" responses

Now instead of "lol" responses, you can simply SB both the original poster if they were an idiot, and the mean-spirited zing if necessary. Double win?

I think I've SB'd a couple of times, maybe three, and I remember doing it out of a sense of "you just don't fucking learn, do you" - things that people do that they've been called out for or questioned on before (sometimes even by me!).

Jenny's list is a good one. The stuff that usually makes me consider SB'ing is:
- racism, sexism, homophobia (basically this boils down to lol ironic racism and unthinking womanhatred/fear of gays, i dunno why).
- really nasty bullying and viciousness where there's not historical beef.
- basically just unrestrained unmitigated being a dick?

I think I have a tendency to use it as the 'don't be a dick' button when I don't want to engage someone about their offensive behaviour and I'm not sure if that's a good thing - since, obviously, SB'ing someone is a process invisible to the SB'd.

Using it, for me, is like saying 'i genuinely believe ilx would be entirely better with this person not on it and this post represents why' and there are very very few people I think that about, most people have mitigating enthusiasms &c.

I did not click SB on (controversial short-lived poster) when he was being a patronising ad-hom dick to smart laidback ILXors on (controversial feminist philosopher thread) because I thought he was only on that one thread and I could just not click on it again, but when I went to ILM and found him in similarly condescending dismissal of (entire genre of music which isn't crabcore), I had a comedy Rollins vein-pop moment and clicked the button

this is the only time I remember doing so (though hey, have been known to drink in front of internet, so who knows) (and if it'd been here for longer there's a few characters I might've clicked it on, some of whom I miss now)

I was pretty anti-SB when it first turned up, but now there's a time limit on and I'm reasonably satisfied that 51 is a pretty high number, I'm a lot happier with it.

u miss vision too?

The SB is the giving someone that last look of "My New Year's resolution was not to argue with crazy people" and then turning your back on them and speaking to someone else. It sends a message and disengages at the same time.

Except the message is to the mods...

*furiously takes notes*

btw ive only sb'd myself and morbz after he came back and was such a bitch abt getting 51'd in the 1st place not becuz it annoyed but becuz itd be hilarious if he got gabbnebed imo

ummmm idk this thread seems kinda pointless ppl are pretty effectively vague abt this shit except lol if jenny sb'd me for making fun of true blood. its obv that certain posters are pretty judgmental and thin-skinned and easy to bait ~could have told u that~ and that most ppl just want u not to ruin their convos.

Aw, Lamp, I definitely did not SB you for making fun of True Blood, for the following reasons: 1) True Blood is not so beloved by me; 2) your comments re: True Blood are pretty funny/OTM (although I haven't read the thread today since I have yet to watch Sunday's ep); and 3) 3/4 of the fun of watching True Blood is mocking it (1/8 is shirtless dudes and 1/8 is Lafayette, fyi).

is there any easy way to figure out how many times you've been sb'd?

Wow. I can think of no quicker way to make myself uber-paranoid and never want to post here again than actively seeking out the answer to this question.

― Hi, there you're being haunted! Dont you notice it? (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 10 August 2009 18:53 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Not paranoid, just intrugied. I don't think I've annoyed anyone enough to have more than around 5-10.

Re the message being to the mods rather than the poster, it's the closest thing we can get to a societal shunning without continuing to directly interact, esp when there's obv no point in arguing or defending a thing anymore. People keep other people in line with a mental model of appropriateness in all kinds of ways large and small, most of which are so innocuous that they're synonymous with social interaction.

SBing is the only thing left when interaction, pos or neg, is clearly having no effect. "Ignoring" someone on ILX has no effect on them at all. And the message gets to the poster eventually, if enough people independently want to send the same message.

Forgive me, ILX, for I have SB'd. It has been 45 years since my last confession.

I sometimes SB (and sometimes not) for violations of the 1st Commandment of ILX, handed down by the prophet Tomboto before he went into the wilderness, "Thou shalt not be a dick." I've SB'd 16 times; eight of those in the 2 months since it's been possible to see what posts were getting SB'd. I last SB'd somebody two days ago.

I haven't suggest banned, but i'm in the kind of zone with ILX where if anything I'd be tempted to leave the board to whomever I'd suggest ban. That said, I'm not against it per se - if a lot of people more invested in the board agree somebody's an asshole, so be it. I just think the idea of it being a "last word" in an argument is kind of hilarious.

I think I've only SB'd like two people and folks can probably guess who they are

sorry shakey ;_;

"Ignoring" someone on ILX has no effect on them at all.

Well, it does. If you ignore someone (collectively) then his/her actions prove pointless. But then it would have to be done collectively and that's a bit hard, I know.

I always... found the button to be a bit wimpy. Either ignore the poster or call him/her out for being a dick.

But then this is a board and you gotta introduce things like SB buttons, I guess. There has to be some form of control.

Heh heh...I issued my first-ever SB on the weekend and the recipient was almost certainly one of Shakey's two! (Not you, Abbott, if that's what you're implying)

xpost

If the ignoring were done collectively, we'd all be communicating like crazy behind the scenes, having this discussion about whether to "shun" someone or not...and then how would we keep in line the people holding the minority opinion?? We'd need a whole other board for all the discussion traffic. Which would have to be secret to everyone but the shunnee, but then if you couldn't log onto the special board one day, you would totally know they were talking about you, and anyway that breaks all the rules established for 77 back when people freaked the fuck out over nothing. I mean, this way, you'd ACTUALLY be talking about them, which would, I guess would at least give them something VALID to lose their shit over.

It just goes downhill from there.

I prefer being called a dick by several different people than to suddenly realize I've been banned. Being reviled would at least make me think twice. Maybe this is another iteration of the spanking vs grounding dilemma...

It's like getting grounded...from the INTERNET!

it's like prayer must have been back when god listened

If god were listening to me at all, there'd be a lot more smiting in this world, I'll tell you what.

I always... found the button to be a bit wimpy. Either ignore the poster or call him/her out for being a dick.

I didn't have any problem telling ethan or cankles that their antagonism was juvenile and stupid but I didn't expect it to have any effect on them either (and it didn't). Thus the SBing.

I think I've hit the button three times, for reasons mentioned a lot upthread. I'm personally trying to decide whether it's more effective to also alert them to the fact, i.e. "I suggest banned you for that."

Laurel I love you but I am also glad god is not real.

you know what they say, a smite costs nothing

Well, whether god is real or not, I'm pretty sure he or she doesn't care about who I'm sleeping with as much as I was always told he did.

And that's what's really important.

I only ever sb lamp

cos zelda 2

the spanking vs grounding dilemma...

xxxxp oh yes, that. i remember getting heated (one of the only times i did on ilx).

Shakey Mo OTM up there. Telling a poster that he or she is being a jerk, while arguably more direct than an SBD SB, historically seems to have little to no impact on the offending behavior. Whether that's just human nature generally or a personality trait specific to the people who tend to be unrepentant jerks on message boards, I don't know. In my observation, nobody has been SB'd without numerous, sometimes exhaustively numerous, other people telling the imminently banned poster to cut the shit or face the consequences.

I think, for the most part, the posters that end up getting banned are the ones that don't cut it out after repeated admonishments. There are plenty of us that get out of line every so often that just need someone else to tell us "when to say when."

I stay away from 77 deliberately so you all could have a private place where you can talk about me and now you tell me you're not? :-(

I think I've SB exactly 2 ppl. One because he was being a downright mean jerk and the other because she is annoying and grosses me out.

So I have at least 1 SB, then ...

LOL no, not you!!!

annoying & gross "she"?

i must miss a lot of threads

sorry enbb ;_;

(joek)

Has she gone off the internet because of you? :-)

Emus are just gross. They stick their heads out and get cut off.

That was comedy gold btw.

lol nope, not you either A. What's this about Emus?

Emu was one of Mar1ssa's songs ... there was also a post on another thread about decapitated emus.

I think, for the most part, the posters that end up getting banned are the ones that don't cut it out after repeated admonishments. There are plenty of us that get out of line every so often that just need someone else to tell us "when to say when."

yah i mean any1 that isnt from finland mustve known wat they were doing and how much they were annoying ppl its pretty transparent. tbf im always suprised i have so few sbs its not like u cant tell when ur being grating

ps i h8 gay azn women

x-post - I don't even know who that is!

http://www.emp3world.com/mp3/33343/Marissa%20Marchant/%20Emu

I'm jealous of you. (Someone who used to post here. She had some complicated issues and was permabanned in the end. You don't want to find out more. Believe me.) Xpost

annoying & gross "she"?

i must miss a lot of threads

Huh, I thought it was pretty obvious who this was about.

If that sounds like I or we are jerks for banning her, it's not. A lot of us really tried to get through to her, but it was hopeless. Xpost to myself

Well I don't. I LOVE Nathalie's posts. Xpost.

;-)

can this be less about "I banned so-and-so for [x]" and "guess who I banned from these helpful clues" plz

Yeah, I didn't mean for that to turn that into a guess who I banned thing. I'm sorry! :-(

guess if I sb'd lamp or not

No. Too obviously asking for it, so you punished him by not giving him what he wanted?

To probably reiterate: not knowing when you get even one SB isn't very efficient, you can only learn what you did wrong if you don't have to wait until you get 51 (your pet won't understand if you only push their nose in it two days later)

Maybe not the right thread to ask this, but is there any way to know how many SBs you have (if any)?

OK forget that... question answered as I posted :)

Let's be honest.

1. Annoying me. I mean, I try to keep it to the absolutely most extreme. I think I've only clicked SB maybe 3-4 times? Maybe 5-6. I can't remember. But not a lot.

I think I SB'd one particular poster who was obviously Calum about thirty times in one sitting. I don't even know if that's really possible.

Every other single thing mentioned on this thread, I am guilty of and more. How am I still here?

*furiously takes notes*

btw ive only sb'd myself and morbz after he came back and was such a bitch abt getting 51'd in the 1st place not becuz it annoyed but becuz itd be hilarious if he got gabbnebed imo

ummmm idk this thread seems kinda pointless ppl are pretty effectively vague abt this shit except lol if jenny sb'd me for making fun of true blood. its obv that certain posters are pretty judgmental and thin-skinned and easy to bait ~could have told u that~ and that most ppl just want u not to ruin their convos.

― o comely wite kidz f8 has it in for u (Lamp), Monday, August 10, 2009 3:46 PM (1 hour ago)

^^^^
glad lamp came to speak some truth on a generally humorless thread...it's pretty clear that the only people who get 51'd have completely asked for it or needed it, so i don't feel too bad about the (very) rare lolSB. the only people i SB really are 1) racists/homophobes 2) humorless butthurt posters and 3) lame ILM trolls like makeitpop

As far as I understand it, each person can only SB another person one time so hitting it repeatedly or even every time you log in won't do anything.

Cool. Just as well. The troll went away despite my being annoyed all out of proportion.

it makes you feel good to do it repeatedly though, in case the first one didn't work

ha yeah, I know. I do it every time I see one person even though I know they don't count anymore.

fyi this thread was a horrible idea, don't know if anyone mentioned that yet cuz I haven't read too many posts in this thread

It's not really that horrible if you read it, and it's also actually been quite constructive I think.

o I just saw the number of posts and made an assumption but you know what they say about those

:D

fyi this thread was a horrible idea, don't know if anyone mentioned that yet cuz I haven't read too many posts in this thread

^^^^ suggest ban

xps Yeah, I thought the same thing on first sight, but ILXors aren't so knee-jerk about each other, it seems. Just about everything alse.

To probably reiterate: not knowing when you get even one SB isn't very efficient, you can only learn what you did wrong if you don't have to wait until you get 51 (your pet won't understand if you only push their nose in it two days later)

Yeah, that's why I wonder whether it would be more effective -- in the case of someone who hasn't already proven themself unrepentant -- to let them know you SB'ed them, than to just push the button.

I didn't intend the thread to be a horrible idea, I thought we could air some stuff that doesn't usually make it into the pro/con SB debate, I was quite careful to try not to make it clusterfucky. But how people use/don't use the system in practice seemed worth discussing.

anyone sb'd another for their contributions on this thread?

i'll never tell

NV I think this thread has been civil and useful!

The circumstance under which I SB: I recognize a fair amt of names on the board, mostly as people I like. Every once in a while there is a person who gets up my hackles to the point where I associate them with being a dick. Then if I see them being a dick again, really acting like a big syphilitic dick, then I SB.

That kind of sums it up pretty well.

Also people who don't read the motherfucking thread before they motherfucking post.

even if it has hundreds of new answers?

Joke. Ish. Depends on context. It's pretty annoying when you've been following a thread and somebody piles on with the same point every 50 posts. Pretty lol tho too so hey ho.

Esp. if it has hundreds of new answers.

I have never SB'd anyone cos I'm too much of a pussy. Sometimes I stick two fingers up at my monitor though, when no one else is looking.

Esp. if it has hundreds of new answers.

could slow down clusterfucks ...

NickB's approach is the best one, I find

I put my foot through the monitor.

I tend to just give it a really evil glare.

Headbutt your keyboard cos it feels so zsdjkiwseujikloopiopopwf3ehiopo

83. People who don't understand when I'm joking around

I've only ever SB'ed one person - Passantino. I'd never even think about SBing anyone else unless it was a rampant newb troll, I dont think. Despite our posting history for eg, I miss sparring with ethan. But I'm not happy with the knowledge a person's on the board who actively hates me but for zero reason (as in, we've never argued), which means they actively hate me - to the point of mockery and unkindness behind my back - because I am me!

I apparently have a couple SB's, and rlly, the only reason has to be either someone was joeking or they plain don't like my posting style, cuz I dont tend to antagonise/start fights/be nasty so, I dunno.

Don't care either tbh.

If anyone SB's Trayce, I will personally come round and put my foot through their monitor.

Calm down, Bruce Banner. Trayce is going nowhere.

Aw Nick, thats v sweet.

K you sound like thats because you just tied me to a chair :|

If anyone SB's Trayce, I will personally come round and put my foot through their monitor.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, August 10, 2009 11:06 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

that would be so cool if your foot shattered out of their screen and walloped 'em in the face

Can LCD screens shatter? I'm picutring a blob of goo flying t'wards a face with a boot attached.

OK nobody SB me for that stupid typo.

Okay, now working on cyber-boot v.1, don't hold yer breath.

Black or brown anyone?

This gives me a threadless t-shirt idea... but yeah it's harder to imagine debris with such thin monitors and such but oh well. I tried to give an illusion to a screen shattering by using the word shattering in my description.

it's decided, I'm going to draw this t-shirt design... should I have a tagline?

this is not going any further

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