First grotesque anal grafted stills for Tom Six's HUMAN CENTIPEDE (Fright Fest 2009 thread)

Anybody seeing anything at this year's Fright Fest? Human Centipede sounds nutty as fuck.

There's also Dario Argento's latest 'Giallo' amongst other things. I'm going in blind, pretty much. Most of these are totally unknown to me.

http://www.frightfest.co.uk/

1.45 PM - SUNDAY 30TH - HUMAN CENTIPEDE (FIRST SEQUENCE) (18) Directed by Tom Six. Starring Dieter Laser, Ashley C. Williams, Ashlyn Yennie and Akihiro Kitamura. UK/Holland, 2009, 92 minutes.

WORLD PREMIERE - Outside the more outré work of Takashi Miike and David Cronenberg, you won’t have seen anything quite like Dutch avant-garde artist Tom Six’ totally bizarre off-the-wall oddity. Internationally respected Siamese twin surgeon Dr. Josef Heiter has a demented vision for mankind’s future existence. He wants to remove human beings’ kneecaps so they have to exist on all fours and then surgically graft them mouth-to-anus to form a centipede chain. When two stranded female Americans arrive at his luxury home-cum-hospital looking for help, his long-gestating plan swiftly moves into chilling action with a shocking force. Kidnapping a third Japanese male tourist he begins the tissue matches, teeth removal and buttock moulding to create his triplet creature… The First Sequence in Six’s intended double feature truly unforgettable imagery, clinically dazzling direction and a so-far-round-the-bend mad doctor performance from German superstar Dieter Laser you’ll scream. Behold the grotesque New Flesh. If you dare!

I saw quite a few of these at Fantasia (this year and last year).

See: Best Worst Movie, I Think We're Alone Now, Pontypool, House of the Devil.

Avoid: The Horseman, I Sell the Dead, Smash Cut, Dread.

Pontypool is great.

Yeah, easily Bruce MacDonald's best since Hard Core Logo.

http://www.dreadcentral.com/img/news/jul09/cent3.jpg

Now, that's one for the 'up the arse' thread.

Wondering if the film can possibly live up to the concept.

Usually things like that don't. See also: Bad Biology.

Ned, what is that still from?

I'm guessing that's a Human Centipede still right there.

That makes sense. Thank you.

Pontypol looks very interesting.

I really don't understand movies like this at all.

Oh you have a better vision for mankind's future existence, Dan? Well come on let's hear it!

Always easier to tear down a mad doctor's ideas than it is to come up with a better idea, isn't it?

In all seriousness I gotta wonder how this script got pitched to the actors involved. "Yeah so for the better part of the film your mouth is going to be 'surgically attached' to Leslie's anus (don't worry we'll put a pad there or something) and Jim's mouth will be attached to your anus. Great concept, right? Obv you won't have a lot of dialogue for that part of the movie."

It was probably pitched like this: "Here's the money, upfront and in 20s as requested."

The lead in this was pretty incredible imo.

by lead do you mean the head of the centipede

lol

this trailer literally gave my gf nightmares.

from fourfour's (negative) review, the only reason i'm thinking about seeing this:

Said house owner, Dr. Heiter, is as over-the-top as Freddy Krueger on his mugging-est, most one-liner filled day. Before the roofies with which he spikes the girls drinks kick in (he makes sure to point out that he's given them "the rape drug," just in case the sexual violence of this all needs reinforcing), he hisses at them, "I don't like human beings." When he gets to the part of the explanation of his experiment in which he unveils its name, he spits it out with the kind of grandeur that can only accompany an actor stating the title of the movie that he's appearing in. After the surgery, he bellows, "I did it. Ha! Ha! Ha!" Literally, he does it like that, with each "Ha!" distinct and pronounced.

though i'm not sure why most other things i've read about the film are solemn if the guy actually yells out THE HUUUMAN CENTIPEDE!!!

god just watched the trailer and this looks like it could be the latest from tommy wiseau or something

haha, OK, they talked about this on Charlie Brooker this week and, just...NO. Though Wiki suggests there's a whole trilogy planned, which is all kinds of incredible.

trilogy?! the gf will love that! i can see the next two movies now: *Human Millipede* followed by *Human OMG A Bunch of People Randomly Sewn Together*

goodness gracious, sakes alive!

haha, OK, they talked about this on Charlie Brooker this week and, just...NO. Though Wiki suggests there's a whole trilogy planned, which is all kinds of incredible.
― ailsa, Monday, May 3, 2010 12:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

presumably the three films in the trilogy will be released in a boxed set with one slipcase sewn to the other from end to end

OK I really really want to watch this on On Demand tonight but I'm scared to watch it alone! eek.

ever since i saw you fb post on this, I've been disturbed

I can't help it - I'm intrigued. I think I'm just going to go ahead and do it even though it might mean I don't sleep for a week.

i've actuallt spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out WHY i find this so disturbing.

i've never been disturbed by any horror movie or whatever

Yeah me neither but even just the idea of it. IDK. Maybe the reality won't be as bad. I'm gonna start this mother up in about five mins. Will report back.

it's because the whole premise is about shit eating and the consequences thereof. it's brutal.

i mean, that knowledge is really about as bad as it gets. it's not a graphic film, really, a few shots aside.

good luck enbb

^^

The star of this film is named Dieter Laser.

Dieter Laser was THERE when i went to see the movie! He was good, imo, but i know nothing about film or acting.

Well, shit.

Literally?

Well yes - there was some of that involved. Ian was right - the lead was very good. Other than that I think I need to think about this for a bit before coming up with any other opinions. I did, however, make it through without shielding my eyes even once although I did squint a lot.

those poor centipede segments imo ;_;

yeah ;_;

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaV221bYaso/Sr_-0ZMxygI/AAAAAAAACmQ/DnnVRsPGrVg/s400/Human-Centipede-poster.jpg

100% MEDICALLY ACCURATE

it's because the whole premise is about shit eating and the consequences thereof

― ian, Tuesday, May 4, 2010 10:50 PM

so its about malnutrition

Super Shit Me

has anyone photoshopped a butt in front of morgan spurlock's face yet?

The last series of UK Big Brother goes out with a bang...

***SPOILER***

malnutrition fits into the plot, yes.

****END SPOILER****

Super Shit Me

― da croupier, Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:13 AM

lol

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1yddngvvD1qzpiyuo1_500.jpg

i had to do it

no you didn't! ew

*applauds*

up the arse corner

No shit Spurlock

hahahahahaha da croupier a+++++++++

(i honestly kind of assumed that i would be the first poor ilx bastard to search out and watch this (almost certainly terrible) movie, i applaud the brave heroes that have gone before me)

I don't think I've ever heard any movie described to me that I was less interested in seeing.

This is playing in Chicago at the Music Box with a midnight showing this Friday, and I think some other midnight shows, too. I'm half-obsessed with this movie, but I am pretty sure I'm never going to see it.

seems like they coulda made this more disturbing by grafting abducted cherubic toddlers. they shoulda tried harder.

the sequel should be "human centipedes on a plane."

I'm going to make a whole bunch of human centipedes and sell them on Etsy.

like, actual human centipedes? because then we will be conscience-bound to send the police after you

brb have to think up a new business plan

hmmm if only there were some ironic way to silence people threatening to rat you out to the fuzz about your human centipede small business

I keep thinking the movie is going to be about Dollipede

http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/the_evil_dollipede.jpg

there is nothing ironic about making a human centipede

unless maybe you are afraid of bugs

or being forced to eat someone else's shit as it comes out of his/her anus

dan your failure to support the entreprenurial spirit is indicative of the source of our global economic crisis.

Somewhere, on a tropical isle, the entrepreneurial spirit is shaking its head at you while slowly drinking a daiquiri.

...that has already passed through the spirit of the radio

haha, OK, they talked about this on Charlie Brooker this week and, just...NO. Though Wiki suggests there's a whole trilogy planned, which is all kinds of incredible.

i read that all 19 members of broken-social-scene have signed on to play the centipede in the sequel.

I keep thinking back to Alex's question about the actors who portray the centipede and it really does seem like hard, horrible drugs must somehow be involved.

i've actuallt spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out WHY i find this so disturbing.

i've never been disturbed by any horror movie or whatever

― PappaWheelie V
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it's because the whole premise is about shit eating and the consequences thereof. it's brutal.

i mean, that knowledge is really about as bad as it gets. it's not a graphic film, really, a few shots aside.

― ian

honestly, i don't think that's why it's so disturbing (tho that is plenty disturbing, don't get me wrong). i think it has more to do with being forced into a space between life and death, where you don't control your own body at all. the whole notion of having your kneecaps removed, teeth removed and being sown to another person like that is . . . horrifying. that trailer haunted me for days.

f--k sakes, i can't believe i even wrote that. blech.

i like the idea that this could become a vehicle of vengeance on bad bands w/too many members, but i dont know how they will work around the polyphonic sprees robes

those robes can't be allowed to stand in the way of science.

ugh, you are making me think of a Mormon Tabernacle Choir human centipede

itll be like one of those caterpillar rides they have at crappy amusement parks where suddenly the canopy flips over you

nominees for human centibands: b.s.s.; polyphonic spree; others?

afaic, reunite the elephant 6 "collective" so they can be added to the list.

itll be like one of those caterpillar rides they have at crappy amusement parks where suddenly the canopy flips over you

just like that, only your mouth will be sewn to the anus of the person in front of you and the person behind you will have his/her mouth sewn to your anus

unless you've been going to some hardcore amusement parks

good times.

le freak c'est chic

ugh I just imagined the human ouroboros

what do they do to pass the time when they don't have to poop/eat poop?

kneecaps removed, teeth removed and being sown to another person

the whole thing is really a metaphor about the horrors of aging and marriage?

it worked a lot better when juxtaposed next to daniels post really

take my centipede, please!

Woah I just read about this for the 1st time ever. I guess for copraphiles this is gonna be awesome. For everyone else yeah pretty damn disturbing. Inhuman bodily mutilation is a pretty terrifying concept if you ask me.

I think that if this movie is awesome for you, it is a sign that you need serious psychological help.

xp I don't think that coprophile are any more into bodily mutilation than the rest of us.

what do they do to pass the time when they don't have to poop/eat poop?

http://common1.csnimages.com/lf/1/hash/3019/1934696/1/1.jpg

actually, "twister" is the last thing these poor people could play.

No, that would be hopscotch.

or competitive table tennis!

they kill at the limbo

They roam around a square eating dots, adding a new human each time, hoping not to run into themselves.

competitive conga dancing

The prequel:

))<<>>((

Q: Why was the human centipede late?
A: Because he was playing "This little Piggy" with his baby brother!

Q: What is worse than an alligator with toothache ?
A: A human centipede with athlete's foot !

... the prequel is a couple of ppl ass-to-ass farting on each other?

The Human Fartipede.

Not so much a prequel, more like a speciality pr0n pay site.

they could form an a capella humming group

The sequel features a barbershop quartet.

. . . but no singing! or, at best, very muffled singing.

Then the third movie centres around a full orchestra.

"Raise your batons, everyone."

A human centipede scuttles into a bar and orders three shots of whiskey. He drinks all three. He does the same thing day after day after day, and the bartender finally says, "You know, I can put all three of those shots into one glass for you." The human centipede says, "No, I prefer it this way. One shot is for me, one shot is for the middle segment, and one shot is for the third segment." He comes in day after day after day, the bartender sets up three glasses. And then one day, the human centipede says, "Give me two shots today." The bartender asks, "What happened? Did something happen to your third segment?" "No, no, no," the human centipede said. "It's okay. It's just that I decided to quit drinking."

(I posted that on Jesse's FB page a few weeks ago, so I'm recycling my own jokes, but I think recycling is fully in the spirit of the Human Centipede.)

WOW A+++++++ xpost

Knock Knock
Who's there?
Human Centipede
Human Centipede who?
Human Centipede on the christmas tree!

... the prequel is a couple of ppl ass-to-ass farting on each other?

I thought it was pooping, not farting. Haven't seen that movie in years...

more recommendations for the sequel: the entire cast of high school musical 3 to play the new centipede.

i hate the high school musical movies.

http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens2187134module11648774photo_1222051047my_dad_was_a_centipede.jpg

I thought it was pooping, not farting. Haven't seen that movie in years...

it's pooping. You can get a shirt:

http://www.zazzle.com/back_and_forth_forever_tshirt-235286439347437617

"at least youre not the middle of a human centipede, if that is consolation" is my stock consolatory response today. so far nobody has had any idea what im talking about.

I like it.

i suppose the "lead segment" is the segment to be. but not a good situation all the way around.

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_the_human_centipede.jpg

welp i found a torrent

so . . . ? PLEASE REPORT BACK, AM0N.

He's currently working his way through its system.

lol

oh that is so bad

its not good

did they split the torrent into segments?

looool

a human sent a seed

anyway its really boring. feel sorry for those paying 2 see it in a theater

just rent dr. giggles or something

The Human Centipede Meets Aqua Teen Hunger Force

a human sent a seed

― am0n, Wednesday, May 5, 2010 8:24 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol

I'm going to the midnight showing this Friday. I would bet I've paid to see worse things.

mickey rourke's face, for one

feel sorry for those paying 2 see it in a theater

i feel worse for the actresses playing the middle and end segments.

whatever they were paid, it couldn't be enough.

I kind of don't get why people are having *such* a strong negative reaction to this movie. I mean, it's clearly meant to be shocking and all that, but I know two people who are pretty inured to grossness and shocking films, but who have said they will not be seeing this one.

I'm pretty sure that the concept of a human centipede as fodder for humor is far more interesting than the movie, so it's probably good that not too many of my friends will see it. The jokes and references can continue, and maybe I can offer some new perspectives, but we won't tire of it as soon.

i mentioned my reasons upthread. i think this movie concept goes beyond the pale. reasonable minds can disagree, i guess. it's definitely good fodder for humor, tho!

I don't know. Like I said, I watched it last night and it didn't bother me that much. I don't get that freaked out by things that are highly unlikely to happen irl. I am much more disturbed by good psychological thriller type things than grotesque horror.

You know, I think I've become a little desensitized to human centipedism since my friends and I have spent a lot of time talking and joking about it. On the other hand, I don't think I will ever watch Hostel or any more Saw movies even though I have heard quite a bit about them.

I think that The HC has a hook that the Hostel doesn't.

Like I said, I watched it last night and it didn't bother me that much

idk. do you see the sutures that stitch the bodies together? seeing that would horrify me.

spend less time in the Human Centipede thread then?

but this thread has too many funny posts!

Ebert has a go

That review contains a lot of what I like about Ebert.

The diagram is hilarious.

<3 Ebert. He's totally spot on with that review.

Dieter Laser, who plays Dr. Heiter, takes the role with relentless sincerity. This is his 63rd acting role, but, poor guy, is seemingly the one he was born to play.

Haven't seen Mr. Laser (great real name btw) in any of the other 62 films but he was so perfect in this role it's hard to imagine him as anything other than a batshit insane eveil doktor.

err "evil" not eveil although perhaps that's some next level stuff

I am required to award stars to movies I review. This time, I refuse to do it. The star rating system is unsuited to this film. Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don't shine.

lol

Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don't shine.

first turn of phrase I've liked of Ebert's in ages.

Get the idea?

(Englarge Image)

Tom Six, a Dutch director whose previous two films average 4 out of 10 on the IMDb.com scale, which is a score so low very few directors attain it

4/10 seems like a sub-par, but almost average, score to me.

imdb.com must have a different, not-so-intuitive ratings scale?

http://www.brown.edu/Research/dichtung-digital/2003/parisconnection/ZygoticL.jpg
Jake and Dinos Chapman: Zygotic acceleration, biogenetic, desublimated libidinal model, 1995

haha

also ebert otm

ilx is kinda like a human centipede when u think abt it

NO IT IS NOT

no wonder we're so interested in what other ilxors are eating

I actually read this thread before eating just now.

We are also like to talk about poop. It all makes perfect sense, really.

All not all

i can't recall many threads on sewing tho.

i was rewatching the trailer for this and i noticed in the clip where the girl locks herself in dude's bedroom - there's a picture next to the lamp of what appears to be two dogs standing nose-to-ass! can't tell if they're stitched together or not tho.

***errr spoiler, I guess***

They are. He made a dog centipede out of his Rottweilers before attempting it out on humans.

so does the dog centipede spend any time running around in the movie? because I am not sure how you would train dogs to do that

No. You learn early on that the dog centipede, or "three dog" as he calls it, is dead.

you don't need to train a dog, you just need to train a dog centipede xp

aw

Does he refer to it in German, like "wo ist mein Dreihund?"

lol

When seeking funding for the film, Tom Six did not initially let on that the victims of The Human Centipede would be joined by mouth to anus, fearing that it would put off potential investors, and his backers did not find out the exact details of the film until it had been completed.[9] Additionally, the actors themselves were not presented with a completed script prior to signing onto the film, instead only being given an outline of the film's storyboard.[15]

Those poor poor bastards.

I'd stab someone

I'd sew their mouth to their own arsehole.

But on a lighter note, if a dog centipede cocks its leg, what happens?

Additionally, the actors themselves were not presented with a completed script prior to signing onto the film, instead only being given an outline of the film's storyboard

what else could the actors have thought the film was about, between the title and the storyboards?

"sorry, i signed on to do serious film, not this horrorshow"

"I thought the human centipede was going to be a metaphor about abortion."

ugh can we pretend I didn't just say that; sorry

"I thought it was a bio-pic of Black Lace"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V6N4elMVX4
(insert "Black Lace are recycled shit" joke)

"i thought it was a love story, between a plucky, ne'er-do-well redhead and a centipede with moxie working his way up from a hardscrabble life!"

"I thought I signed on for 'Hume and Centipede'! When am I going to live my life dream of playing David Hume?"

In that movie, David Hume praises the game "Centipede" for decentralizing notions of uniformity in nature.

loooooool

I'd sew their mouth to their own arsehole.

― he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball)

and keep feedin' them and keep feedin' them

HuMansuntipede

thought this was OK

aprops of nothing - i saw this on p-shop disasters and thought it looked human centipede-esque:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/S9ifcDbbw0I/AAAAAAAAGuM/HorHVGhcxtY/enbloodymarche.jpg

without the shit-eating obv.

what the

Those sure are some terrible sideburns.

oh okay, I see now, her other leg is on the table hidden by the coat

that is some fucked-up perspective on that picture

Why is Bruce Campbell hiding his leg under a coat?

(x-post)

Ebert review is awesome. luv ya Roger

thx for the diagram

The diagram is from the movie! It's what Herr Doktor uses to show the peeps what he's about to do to them.

that's very considerate of him

So it's like the Woody Woodpecker cartoon they show the generals in 'Destination Moon' to explain the rocket?

zuh?

I think I missed the woodpecker centipede episode of Woody Woodpecker

yes the entire film is like a children's cartoon

A very special "Codename: Kids Next Door"

Am downloading this now, some of the comments are funny and making me more intrigued...
worst movie EVER... i cant sleep cus of this shit...
&
Decent copy, but what an absolutely horrible movie. That is 90 minutes of my life I will never get back. Yeah, yeah, it‘s a gory movie with a lot of disgusting material, I knew that. But the movie just plain old sucks. It got a lot of hype because of the subject matter, but it‘s FUCKING STUPID! Go read the Wikipedia summary and you‘ll save yourself about 88 minutes.

The subject matter/uh, "concept" of this movie just seems unbelievably stupid and nonsensical to me?

i think that's part of it's appeal tho.

whatever little appeal there my be.

can I just say the phrase "anal grafted stills" is still haunting me

i grafted a spring roll onto General Tso and made a Hunan centipede

god I want to see this

the oughties have been very good to horror fans

thank you brownie

where do we go next is what I want to know

this wasn't enough for me

I haven't seen this, but I suspect that this thread is way more entertaining than the movie.

where do we go next is what I want to know

this wasn't enough for me

― manish pseud (cozen), Thursday, May 6, 2010 5:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

On 19 October, 2009 it was announced a sequel, titled The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) has been planned for theaters in 2011. Full Sequence will supposedly include a centipede composed of twelve individuals.

where do we go next is what I want to know

this wasn't enough for me

― manish pseud (cozen), Thursday, May 6, 2010 5:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

That's what I want to know. The end was sad and pathetic etc. but I was just like - ok I know there are two more of these. Where can this go??

xp

siiiiiiiiiick

GIS has been entertaining:

http://islamgreatreligion.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/muslims-praying.jpg

http://billsmovieemporium.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/freaks-pic.jpg

so does this qualify as torture pr0n?

this thread is funny but I can't really imagine wanting to sit through this

it's not torture porn

Is it like the kind of exceptionally torturous porn that still falls under the umbrella of porn?

That's the vibe I get from the trailer.

I just read the plot on wikipedia and it sounds - horrible ick aside - about as bad as The Room! Especially the way it ends.

it's better than the room

Nothing is better than The Room.

sorry mords but RIP the 100pede > the room

tears

Unless the doctor shouts YOU ARE TEAHHING ME APAAAHHT, HOOOOMAN CENTIPEDE!! And then rips them apart and throws them out a window, I'm with Mordy.

it's not torture porn

wait waht? how is this not torture porn?

because he's doing it in the name of science!

he blinded them with SCIENCE

http://weirdward.net/sitebuilder/images/Thomas_Dolby_-_She_Blinded_Me_With_Science_016_0001-283x206.jpg

Gag me with a poon.

I hope this is in the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8SdzwoIcwo

http://thingsthataredoingit.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129166747484479868.jpg

lol, great find.

I have seen it. It was OK and only slightly harder to watch than I thought it would be. The worst parts for me were seeing the surgery and times when they were being pulled and it looked like the face-anus connection might rip.

some day we'll find it.. the face-anus connection.. the lovers, the dreamers and me

Muppet Centipede

Anyway, the plot of this movie is really confusing. It's all arse-about-face...

JIM WTF ARGH :|

You know this guy would try it - with chickens first, of course...
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5768/683607-gonzo_large.jpg

In the film's last half, the two actresses don't scream at all, if you follow me.

ha ha, "last half"

This certainly leaves a bad taste in the mouth...

"a serbian film" sounds like it's grosser than this : /

Sounds hard to stomach...

why is Gonzo holding a gun?!

You'd prefer he hold a lightsaber?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2683/4262871350_67410c6d70.jpg

xp the gun is in case Sam the Eagle and Fozzie Bear come around investigating about the disappearance of The Electric Mayhem.

awesome poster design 4 this

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LZ92yTgKeAQ/S-RU_TuuOWI/AAAAAAAALco/6RU5OixeiJU/s1600/centipede3.jpg

It's packed with information, I'll give it that.

Like the way they've mirrored Dieter Laser's face to make it even more symmetrical that it already is.

The Most Provocative Movie Of 2010 Is Now A Flash Game

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/500x_humancentipede.jpg

Your search - buttipede - did not match any documents.

I've been thinking that Burger King should do a promotional tie-in with this movie. Something along the lines of "try the new triple decker cheeseburger and share it with your friends!"

more like "eat shit!"

least popular happy meal toys ever

I've been checking Slashdot at -1 threshold and have yet to come across an ASCII Human Centipede. You lose this round, Internet.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/48710700/the-human-centipede-necklace

Wow. Yes! Of course!!

I'm upset about you destroying my childhood memories.

http://gordonkeith.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/kermitgoatse.jpg

we think this film serves a valuable service in readying the masses for the concept of altered human bodies and posthumanist notions, even if in this case they are used as a source of horror. baby steps ^_^

who is "we"?

we are banaka

...you will be ass-imilated

you bring up a good point. the nature of the human centipede, with three humans joined as one through the anus and mouth, is a glorious metaphor for what we are trying to achieve.

YES THAT IS JUST WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

again, i suggest that all members of the broken social scene "collective" be recruited as the next centipede

splendid!

oh shit guys, this is playing here next weekend DO I GO?

one night midnight only

DO I GO

Unfortunate choice of words...

if you don't go, you are not the dude I think you are

like, how is this question not "oh shit guys, this is playing here next weekend DO I DRINK EVERYTHING IN MY LIQUOR STOCKPILE BEFORE GOING OR HALF BEFORE, HALF AFTER?"

it is on a very inconvenient night for midnight show.

but yeah ill prob go, but i cant be so drunk i fall asleep in the theater

acid. that will keep you alert.

lsd acid or the burning kind

hey guys, I got you all a present:

http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/42062/human_centipede_pendant_585-thumb-585xauto-15312_jpg_595x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg

ninja centipede?

Coming soon: "Ninja Centipede vs Pirate Centipede*"

(*Pirate Centipede only has three quarters as many legs)

omg it is a real thing u can buy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/48710700/the-human-centipede-necklace

That was already linked by Emil.y a few posts above.

o sry

So, you're saying that sections of this thread are now being repeated? Like a thread centipede?

Ahhh I didn't click the link before I posted the pic - sorry!

Still honestly cannot understand why anyone would A) want to make this film, B) act in this film, and C) see this film.

lol, you'll be pleased to know they're making a sequel. a 12-segment centipede, iirc.

art!

Man, real centipedes are gross enough.

^^ truth bomb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UROVfmY3NTA

god gross

Dieter Laser's deliberately exaggerated accent kind of makes the whole film like an extended episode of "'Allo 'Allo" with added surgical mutilation.

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(External: the usual recycled shot of Neuvion town square and Rene's cafe. The pissoir in the centre isn't the only place where we'll be taking the piss HA HA oh dear... Theme music - a BBC sound library approximation of 'French' music - and titles.)

(Interior: Rene's cafe. Behind the bar is Rene. He is drying an infeasibly large cognac glass with a towel.)

Rene: "Ah, 'allo there my good friends! Welcome to another episode of this mildly racist, sexist, and homophobic teatime family sitcom! The plot is simply a device to justify the saying of a load of worn out old catch phrases, but I shall tediously re-iterate what's already happened for you again. Just in case you have been hit on the head by a billboard since the last time I saw you."

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(Interior: the back room of Rene's cafe. Rene is carrying some bottles of wine up from the cellar. DIRECTOR'S NOTE TO PROPS DEPT.: Can we please have Rene holding something more typically French, like one of those long thin loaves of bread or some onions on a string? Otherwise the audience are likely to forget we're in France.)

(Rene puts the wine on the table, then pulls back the curtains, to his surprise revealing Michelle of the Resistance.)

Michelle: "Listen very carefully, I shall say this catchphrase only once an episode as specified by my contract. Unless we're running short on gags. So... Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once..."

Rene: "Michelle, please, I am a humble cafe owner trying to run a business!"

Michelle: "No, you're a randy old man who is trying to get off with his waitresses without his wife finding out. And anyway, it is Edith who owns the cafe. But since this is patriarchal France in the early 1940's, it is your name that is painted on the window."

Rene: "Ah yes, well it does offer the possibility of humiliating comedy emasculation when Edith threatens to divorce me and marry that guy from the second tier Carry On movies. Anyway, I am busy, I have no time for comedy schemes involving running around darkened woods hiding behind trees in order to pad out ten minutes of an episode because the writers ran out of material."

Michelle: “It's not just hiding behind trees. We're often also looking off camera at stock footage of a steam train in the distance.”

Rene: “I always wonder why you Resistance girls dress identically. Surely it's a mistake, because the Germans could just go around arresting anyone wearing a beret, a beige trenchcoat, and short white socks.”

Michelle: "Anyway, enough of this!" (Michelle pulls out a stick of dynamite) "This is a stick of dynamite that we've stolen from the Communist Resistance!"

Rene: "Oh no! You cannot bring that in here! What if it were to go off accidentally?"

Michelle: "That's very unlikely to happen unless we need a comedy slapstick scene later on. There's nothing that brings the lulz more than people running around panicking because they might get their faces blown off."

Rene: “I cannot do this!”

Michelle (pulling out a gun): “If you do not, I will shoot you!”

Rene: “But then who will you get to carry out your poorly thought out plans? You've really not thought this through at all...”

Michelle: “But Rene, you are doing this for France, you will be a 'ero.”

Rene: “Why would I want to be a small overpriced chocolate bar full of air bubbles? Oh alright I agree to do it! Otherwise we'll be here all day and I'll never get to the scene where I try and have a bunk up in the cupboard with Yvette without being interrupted by my wife.”

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Edith: "Rene! You cannot blow up the Human Centipede! My poor mother's fiancee, Monsieur LeClerc, is the front segment, and poor Monsieur Alphonse the undertaker is in the middle!"

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Herr Flick (hitting Von Smallhausen over the head with his cane): “RONG!”

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(Interior: Rene's cafe. Rene is behind the bar. Various patrons, including several German officers, are sitting at tables. They all have cheese stuffed in their ears, as Edith is singing – a noise reminiscent of Maria Callas being run over by a steam roller.)
(The Human Centipede enters and approaches the bar. Rene does his k-lol rolleyes.gif expression)
LeClerc (the front segment of the centipede): “'ave you any stale bread for a poor hungry human centipede?”
Rene: “No we have not, go away!”
LeClerc (moving closer to Rene and lifting up his glasses): “It is I, LeClerc!”
Rene: (rolleyes.gif again) “I never would have guessed!”
LeClerc: “I have a message from Michelle of the Resistance!”
Rene: “Do not tell me here, the cafe is full of German officers! Go down the back passage.”
LeClerc: “The... back passage?”
Rene: “Yes I know, it's a weak innuendo – back passage blah blah. Endless laughter as I say lines like: 'I 'ad that Lt. Gruber in my back passage the other day' ROFL ROFL I'm sure. I suppose we should count ourselves lucky that there isn't a canal near here...”

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Carstairs: “I say Fairfax?”
Fairfax: “What is it Carstairs?”
Carstairs: “I was just wondering, why do we have to talk in these ridiculous comedy upper class English accents?”
Fairfax: “Because it helps to deflect criticisms of racism if we're taking the piss out of the English even more than everyone else, doyousee?”
Carstairs: “I suppose so. But we only appear once an episode for 30 seconds disguised as a laundry hamper.”

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Herr Flick: "Von Smallhausen has infiltrated the Human Centipede as the third segment!"
Helga: "How clever you are, Herr Flick."
Herr Flick: "Yes I know." (smirks slightly) "As soon as he is passed the painting, he will return here!"
Helga: "Is it time for the gratuitous underwear scene?"
Herr Flick: "Not yet. We still haven't had the comedy misunderstanding between Rene and Lt. Gruber. However, you may now kiss me while I stand completely motionless!"

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Crabtree: “'allo Rene. I was just pissing by your door.”
Rene: “Could you please stop doing that? I only just mopped up the puddle from last time.”

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Dieter Laser: “But Officer Crabtree, you don't understand! Trying to stop a randy old cafe owner blowing up a Human Centipede with a stick of dynamite to recover the forged painting of the Fallen Madonna With The Big Boobies by Van Clomp while being pursued by the German army and the Gestapo and the French Resistance is the name of my dog!”

(Theme music and credits: “You have been watching... A load of tired old shite. Really, it's Saturday evening, don't you have anything better to do?”)

imdb boards bringing the laughs with this movie

The 1st piece would have to show some restraint when pooping. You can get a feel of the speed when it starts to come out. He'd just have to clench his poop cutter to control the speed. Being in a Human Centipede is a team effort people!

New display name bonanza!

"Your anal sphincter is a strong muscle and it won't open just because someone tries to vomit in your ass."

i've read that before. it's from carl jung, i think.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/49972327/the-human-centipede-cat-toy

http://io9.com/5572401/human-centipede-tattoo-immortalizes-the-ultimate-in-human-intimacy

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/06/500x_hc-1.jpg

(xp) Tags - pets, toy, cat, catnip, plush, horror, gore, fart sniffer, feed her, doctor, medical, movie, film, weird

Among the sellers other items, a blue whale stuffed with a quarter pound of catnip...

Strange, both humancentipedia.org and .com still appear to be untaken.

I watched this on Monday. All three victims are so hateful that by the time you get to stitch-o-rama you're just relieved that they're not talking/screaming/riffing horrible quasi-p0rn dialogue anymore.

...and consequently it's not a billionth as gross/unsettling as it could have been.

This cheeky Human Centipede costume apparently won $1000 at the Fangoria Weekend of Horrors.

http://www.nerdcore.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/centipede

That is simultaneously brilliant and horrifying.

lol if the 1st part took immodium then he wouldn't poop, so 2nd part wouldnt be getting any food and wont have anything to poop so the 3rd one wont either :D how would they of got the immodium. Can see a 3rd movie here, The human centipede: Immodium stopped the experiment and they all died!

addicted to Glee right now

Jennifer's body was awesome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RgrsWI19M4

Well, had to happen.

Good lord.

Well that's one way of solving the problem of bad pr0n dialogue.

'Will you suck me off?'
'mfff mfff mfff'
'That's the spirit'

okay no

at least it ain't human centipaed?

A human centipede scuttles into a bar and orders three shots of whiskey. He drinks all three. He does the same thing day after day after day, and the bartender finally says, "You know, I can put all three of those shots into one glass for you." The human centipede says, "No, I prefer it this way. One shot is for me, one shot is for the middle segment, and one shot is for the third segment." He comes in day after day after day, the bartender sets up three glasses. And then one day, the human centipede says, "Give me two shots today." The bartender asks, "What happened? Did something happen to your third segment?" "No, no, no," the human centipede said. "It's okay. It's just that I decided to quit drinking."

― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Thursday, 6 May 2010 06:27 (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I have been stealing this joke like there's no tomorrow because it is the best thing ever.

:D

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/08/human-centipede-sequel-to-be-400-more-medically-accurate

http://www.film1.nl/images/plaatjes/37904.jpg

I just had the unique pleasure of actually watching this movie without reading or seeing a single spoiler beforehand. really proud of myself for figuring out that the crazy doctor was planning on sewing assholes to mouths before that was revealed in the plot.

trying to figure out what shots to use for three frames

lol GIS
http://calmixx.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/human-centipede.jpg

yesterday and today's film on three frames

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8nvqlYuct1qzc4eao1_500.gif

http://i39.tinypic.com/iydbhd.jpg

Trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBalKXCaXOM

Sequel needs to be in 3D.

3Dees=gay pr0n

I just clicked on that trailer, thinking it was for the sequel to the first movie.

But at least Tom Byron no longer looks like the singer from Metallica.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/PappaWheelie/Salo.jpg

We rented this from Netflix and watched it yesterday and... it was pretty good! I mean, I have been making jokes about human centipedes for a year now, which probably my revulsion at the concept, but I can't imagine this was any harder to watch than Martyrs or some other movie form the "new wave of French horror." (Note: this is conjecture as I am way too intimidated by any of those movies to actually watch them.) The scene where Dr. Heiter (who is totally AMAZING as a horror movie villain, btw - gave the movie an excellent dose of camp) explains the procedure to his segments gave me the willies pretty hard (I have a visceral fear of anesthesia/medical procedures), the climax was tense, and the ending was horrible to contemplate.

Best line: You are... the middle piece!

probably lessened my revulsion, I mean to say.

From the commentary over at Sergio Leone and the Infield Fly Rule

1) Over a shot near the opening of the film of a truck driver stopping his vehicle by the side of the road to relieve himself: “This is a nice little scene. Of course, the movie is about shit, and here we have a truck driver taking a shit!”

2) Over shots of the female characters relaxing in their hotel room: “The characters are still very pretty, but that will soon change, as you know.”

3) After relating how the crew ignored local refusal to grant them permits to film on a dark country road: “As a filmmaker, sometimes you have to be a little bad to get what you want.”

4) The director dismisses the nonstop pile-up of horror movie clichés that drive his plot by announcing that they were “deliberate,” and that if the audience thinks they’ve seen it all, then it “makes the impact of what eventually happens way, way better.”

5) Six eventually reveals that the basis of his horror movie “game-changer” came to him one night while he was watching a TV report on a child molester and declared that the guy “should be punished by having his mouth stitched to the ass of a truck driver.”

6) Over a shot of Dr. Heiter exuberantly celebrating the unveiling of his surgical masterpiece by lifting a mirror over his head and gazing at himself with happiness: “This is my homage to The Lion King, when Mufasa lifts Simba to the sky.”

7) Over the scene in which the lead centipede piece finally cannot hold back his excrement: “I’m really proud of this when I see this… Imagine the taste of shit in your mouth, the aftertaste… Imagine your best friend being attached to your ass—of course you would be constipated. You wouldn’t want to go to the bathroom! Poor Jenny. It looks so real…”

8) After noting the appearance of more horror movie clichés near the movie’s conclusion: “But it’s okay, because the rest of it is so not cliché!” (Which begs a question… but I won’t.)

9) “Not everybody understands the black humor. They only see the nasty things. But a lot of people can laugh about this film as well.” (Which begs a question… but I won’t.)

10) "The Human Centipede—First Sequence will look like My Little Pony compared to part two, The Human Centipede—Full Sequence."

have very mixed feelings about the human centipede. taken as a whole, i hated it. i hated its tiresome (but still effectively depressing) nihilism and sadism. i hated that it devolved so quickly from delightful horror caricature to insanely grisly spectacle, and finally to a grinding form of audience punishment. it made me feel bad. coming away i not only felt spiritually crushed, i felt morose about humanity's prospects and worth. i slept badly and had terrible dreams. had a much harder time with THC than with any product of the french horror renaissance, though the british eden lake did me in in a similar manner.

otoh, i'm a huge horror fan and am always looking for something new and interesting, something that isn't just a another limp recycling of profitable precedents. and of the many (many) horror films i've seen in the last few years, THC stands out as one of the few with its own distinct personality. it doesn't look or feel like other movies. almost everything in the film is somehow tilted or twisted a few degrees off true. as a result, it seems more like a perverse joke or art experiment than a typical horror film. for all its cliches and awkwardness, nothing about it ever feels accidental or imperfect. we wonder about the sensibility behind the camera, but never doubt that there is one. this sense of artistic intention frames even the terrible performances of the female leads, making an effective comic device of the genuinely bad acting. and dieter lazer is MAGNIFICENT as dr. heiter. the film deserved to be remembered for that alone. he's an all-time classic horror villain. without him, the human centipede wouldn't be worth enduring. as a result, no matter how much i hated watching the last half of this film, i still grudgingly respect it.

"without him, the human centipede wouldn't be worth enduring."

Definitely. Although your first paragraph makes me worry about myself for having liked this movie.

this sense of artistic intention frames even the terrible performances of the female leads, making an effective comic device of the genuinely bad acting.

That fact makes the whole concept bearable imo.

There is absolutely no way in a million hells I will ever watch this film, I am so digusted by shit.

Oh you don't see any, the mouth-anus connections are always sealed.

aken as a whole, i hated it. i hated its tiresome (but still effectively depressing) nihilism and sadism. i hated that it devolved so quickly from delightful horror caricature to insanely grisly spectacle, and finally to a grinding form of audience punishment. it made me feel bad. coming away i not only felt spiritually crushed, i felt morose about humanity's prospects and worth. i slept badly and had terrible dreams.

See, I don't know what else people would have EXPTECTED from a film like this. No way I'm ever watching it.

i hated that it devolved so quickly from delightful horror caricature to insanely grisly spectacle, and finally to a grinding form of audience punishment. it made me feel bad. coming away i not only felt spiritually crushed, i felt morose about humanity's prospects and worth. i slept badly and had terrible dreams

i think this about all "torture-porn." i don't see the appeal. i know sometimes you have to be shocked to feel alive and appreciate beauty, but there's a limit, and films like this cross it.

otoh, i still endorse the idea of broken-social-scene being stitched together for the sequel.

they deserve it after that last album.

I know it's after the holidays, but I just found this...

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld5vq8ES2N1qbe0oxo1_500.jpg

on syfy tonight, sky viewers!

didn't look very good

its not very good.

*** SPOILARS *** people eat shit for a while, film ends *** SPOILARS ***

FEED HER!!!!!!

I really, really wish they hadn't started showing this on a channel my television receives. I worry that I'll start watching it "for a laugh" and will never sleep again.

the idea of this movie is worse than anything in this movie

You can't trick me like that.

yeah just watched this last night and it really is pretty tame

Dammit I was gonna go to the pub and now I'm torn

the sequel should be "human centipedes on a plane."

― fat mantis (Hunt3r), Wednesday, May 5, 2010 6:25 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark

^

*self edits awesome geometry joke*

Dammit I was gonna go to the pub and now I'm torn

― Nulty By Nature (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 March 2011 05:37 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude don't give it away

lol

The BBFC has rejected the sexually violent, and potentially obscene DVD, The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) This means that it cannot be legally supplied anywhere in the UK. The decision was taken by the Director, David Cooke and the Presidential Team of Sir Quentin Thomas, Alison Hastings and Gerard Lemos.

The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) is a sequel to the film The Human Centipede (First Sequence), which was classified ‘18’ uncut for cinema and DVD release by the BBFC in 2010. The first film dealt with a mad doctor who sews together three kidnapped people in order to produce the ‘human centipede’of the title. Although the concept of the film was undoubtedly tasteless and disgusting it was a relatively traditional and conventional horror film and the Board concluded that it was not in breach of our Guidelines at ‘18’. This new work, The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence), tells the story of a man who becomes sexually obsessed with a DVD recording of the first film and who imagines putting the ‘centipede’ idea into practice. Unlike the first film, the sequel presents graphic images of sexual violence, forced defecation, and mutilation, and the viewer is invited to witness events from the perspective of the protagonist. Whereas in the first film the ‘centipede’ idea is presented as a revolting medical experiment, with the focus on whether the victims will be able to escape, this sequel presents the ‘centipede’ idea as the object of the protagonist’s depraved sexual fantasy.

David Cooke and pals need a good centipeding imo

surprising, after the first one you'd think they'd want to follow it through to the end

y'know, I didn't think the first one was terrible, but I think I'll skip this one.

I actually liked the first one but yeah. I'll skip the sequel, too. Blech

censorship is a bad thing, kids

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgo8occocB1qfdv4ko1_250.gif

The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence), tells the story of a man who becomes sexually obsessed with a DVD recording of the first film

based on a true story

btw now I see what he meant by "the first film is my little pony compared to the sequel" but seriously, jesus christ

I mean I'm hardly the sort to call for the banning of something I've never seen but I'm having trouble just reconciling the description of this

censor more things, we tried the censor-nothing approach and it got us Human Centipede

saw the first, loved the opening act (just for dieter laser as dr. heiter), but hated the rest.

no interest in the sequel.

My favorite act was the middle segment.

isnt it really more like cojoined twins than a centipede??

cojoned twins

imagine the casting pitch for this

"hey, we need you to get naked and wrap your laughing gear around someone's arsehole while someone else's face is strapped to your bum while a guy in a trucker hat sits back and watches you while he masturbates, but it's not a porno, oh and we need you to be like that for 12 weeks"

In all seriousness I gotta wonder how this script got pitched to the actors involved. "Yeah so for the better part of the film your mouth is going to be 'surgically attached' to Leslie's anus (don't worry we'll put a pad there or something) and Jim's mouth will be attached to your anus. Great concept, right? Obv you won't have a lot of dialogue for that part of the movie."

― Alex in SF, Friday, August 28, 2009 4:25 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ahahaha

so exactly that plus the bit about the feller wanking

and the barbed-wire raping

id rather watch parks and recreation

i don't really wanna watch this but now i'm not allowed to watch it i sort of wanna watch it. also the first one wasn't all that but if we can't have horror flicks setting reprehensible new lows in bad taste and nihilism every now and then then what's the point?

i'd rather watch parks and recreation anything else

c'mon, it could be another Commitments.

From James Mitchell's BBFC link upthread:

The principal focus of The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) is the sexual arousal of the central character at both the idea and the spectacle of the total degradation, humiliation, mutilation, torture, and murder of his naked victims. Examples of this include a scene early in the film in which he masturbates whilst he watches a DVD of the original Human Centipede film, with sandpaper wrapped around his penis, and a sequence later in the film in which he becomes aroused at the sight of the members of the ‘centipede’ being forced to defecate into one another’s mouths, culminating in sight of the man wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the rear of the ‘centipede’.

what if he did another sequel that was just someone else watching THC2 and doing the same thing, but with a baby in the room

Pedestrian thought: If it didn't get banned we wouldn't have even known it had got made, probably.

Yeah he wants publicity by getting it banned all over the place, that much is clear. Why else would he soak investors' money into something that's so comprehensively in breach of p much every classification office everywhere?

anyone who thinks that THIS is too much should read the synopsis of "A Serbian Film"

that said this is definitely the SECOND most depraved film I can think of, and yes I strangely want to see it

I was just about to say "obv dude saw/read about 'A Serbian Film'"

part of me wonders if this was the plan all along? the first one was not really a bad movie, but it's not really shocking or anything past the original concept, even kind of boring, and I felt like Six had more talent than what he displayed in the movie. right from the start he was saying things like "wait till you see the sequel"

well... yeah, clearly THIS is the movie dude really wanted to make

I think it is perfectly legitimate to question whether it is actually worth watching

things i have now read: summaries of 'a serbian film', 'grotesque', 'martyrs'

feeling a little less glad to be alive, basically, for the effort

what other shock movies are there that transcend the horror genre

off the top of my head I would say salo and sweet movie are two I know but I don't know how they compare to serbian film

things i have now read: summaries of 'a serbian film', 'grotesque', 'martyrs'

feeling a little less glad to be alive, basically, for the effort

yeah that is precisely why I mostly avoid modern horror movies; I thought the plot synopsis of Audition was too far, and this shit stampedes WAAAAAY past that line

all the people I know who went and saw serbian film are huge passolini fans

okay just read about "Sweet Movie" and... what the hell

poop will never not be gross

sweet movie is actually not bad at all except when they go into the documentary mode of studying that commune

the director was saying that his entire crew almost mutiny'd because the people in that commune were so intense

Haha after reading about all these movies, its kind of hilarious to see this re: Martyrs:

A US remake from the producers of Twilight is in the works.

Salo isn't half as bad as its reputation imo, and I don't think Pasolini's main aim was to gross out the kids.

Salo is a pretty funny movie come on now

if anything it makes all the horrible shit the fascists do look totally mundane/boring

I was about to say that it was boring yeah

i'm actually kind of curious about how the plot of part ii works -- like, to me 'guy watches the first movie, attempts to actually make it work in real life (this does not work), jerks off to it' seems like such an obvious attack on people who actually enjoy the first film that the idea of anyone simply getting off on the second one is .. weird

that said ppl who are horror obsessives have far more complicated relationships with this sort of thing than simply getting off on it (or simply 'enjoying' it, i guess, for that matter)

the only person i know who has seen cannibal holocaust ritually burnt his copy afterwards

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=31162

We emailed Tom Six for a response to the BBFC's decision and received the following quote, which we present here in full. The censoring of the F-word, ironically, is Six's.

“Thank you BBFC for putting spoilers of my movie on your website and thank you for banning my film in this exceptional way. Apparently I made an horrific horror-film, but shouldn't a good horror film be horrific? My dear people it is a f****cking MOVIE. It is all fictional. Not real. It is all make-belief. It is art. Give people their own choice to watch it or not. If people can't handle or like my movies they just don't watch them. If people like my movies they have to be able to see it any time, anywhere also in the UK.”

SPOILERS

okay he's an idiot

If people like my movies they have to be able to see it any time, anywhere also in the UK.

lol infinity

the first one did make a big deal out of how the science was "medically sound" which I'm guessing Six doesn't believe but it's a big step towards the second one

The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence): A US remake from the produces of Ramona and Beezus is in the works.

re "A Serbian Film":

As he is dying, Vukmir praises Milos's actions, saying "that's cinema." Confronting the final bodyguard, Miloš knocks off his sunglasses and discovers that the man is missing an eye. He tries to shoot him but finds out that the gun is empty. Miloš jams his erect penis into the man's empty eye socket, killing him.[9]

^^ amazing

all the people I know who went and saw serbian film are huge passolini fans

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

not sure what we're supposed to do with this information

/Salo/ isn't half as bad as its reputation imo, and I don't think Pasolini's main aim was to gross out the kids.

Yeah, I was kind of surprised at how... I don't want to say "tame" because fascists force people to eat bowls of poop which is kind of not tame by definition, but at how much of Salo I was able to watch. I thought I'd spend most of the movie with my eyes covered.

anyone who thinks that THIS is too much should read the synopsis of "A Serbian Film"

yeah, i've read a lot abt ASF, but have no interest in seeing that, either. maybe some day i'll weaken, cuz i've always felt the perverse allure of such extremes, but come on, i still haven't seen the guinea pig films, cerda's aftermath or the men behind the sun.

did see salo several years back, and was impressed, though i didn't enjoy it. it's very well made and occasionally funny, but also slow, repetitive and ultimately quite dispiriting. not the sort of thing i'll likely revisit. and martyrs is boring junk.

finally, object to sweet movie being discussed as a shock movie that transcends the horror genre. it's got shock scenes, sure, but has nothing to do with horror. it's a kitchen-sink political comedy with no violence or suspense to speak of. and it's great!

yeah after all the fuss Salo is pretty damn tame and boring. and rubbish.

it's a kitchen-sink political comedy with no violence or suspense to speak of.

well, no horror-type violence or suspense...

Wow okay just read the Wikipedia summary of A Serbian Film and I am very unhappy now.

yeah that movie is basically the worst idea in the world

Wow okay just read the Wikipedia summary of A Serbian Film and I am very unhappy now.

― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

p much.

like, it sorta ruined my day

all the people I know who went and saw serbian film are huge passolini fans
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

not sure what we're supposed to do with this information

― an actual guy talking in an actual rhythm (history mayne), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 11:51 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark

I dunno man I just posted it. I was walking home and all these people were walking out of the building I live in, going to see a serbian film, and when I think about each of them and movies, I think about passolini, because that's who we end up talking about, when we talk about movies.

I don't know anything about a serbian film tho, one of my friends just said someone gives birth to a baby and someone immediately has sex with it, dunno if that actually happens

Per Wikipedia, yes. Also I think "rape" is more accurate than "has sex with" but I am pedantic about such things.

also re: sweet movie having nothing to do with horror, you're right on one hand, but I think the aim of a lot of it was to freak the viewer out in some way

oh yeah, it's transgressive all right, but not brutal or scary. it aims to blow your mind more than lay waste to your soul. that said, i'm sure tons of people have been horrified by it. i objected cuz i have problems with the contemporary thinking that equates anything particularly transgressive or shocking with the horror genre.

oh yeah, I forgot to mention, you probably shouldn't read the synopsis of A Serbian Film

Ha THANKS

I read that about four hours ago and still feel kinda ill. Want to scrub my brain. I don't think even the unwarranted pictures from rotten.com a "friend" sent me years and years ago made me feel this gross.

yeah about the only things I can think of that I find as gross as the synopsis of "A Serbian Film" are tubgirl and the picture of the dude who scraped off his face with glass while on PCP from rotten.com

i read the first few lines and saw it was about raping babies... how much did yall need to know?

there's enough incredibly depressing shit to read about irl without having to worry about the weird fantasies and lame rationalizations of extreme horror filmmakers/fans

lol @ this thread

history mayne OTM I didn't even bother reading the whole synopsis

like, this stuff has always been around, it isn't really worth paying attention to

serbian film attempts to do the same sort've thing as salo - turn sadism into a metaphor for political brutality - but it's so much more dumb and inelegant, compared to the pasolini, that it REALLY flatters it to be mentioned in the same breath/thought.

that being said, the bbfc are just as dumb; they know that this kind of (re)action just gets ppl to download these movies (i would never have bothered to watch a serbian film if they hadn't kicked up such a stink abt it), and as ever i would like to know how they're defining 'harm' and its effects - on what basis do they believe this film to be harmful (rather than tasteless or stupid or boring or whatever.) have they been 'harmed', also?

Martyrs is such a shit, shit movie. I get angry just thinking about it. A Serbian Film on the other hand at least feels like it's trying to communicate some genuine ideas about people reeling from unimaginable trauma, albeit in an incredibly overblown, ill-considered fashion.

Actually, the guy who wrote ASF also made this actually-pretty-decent historical fantasy flick (totally not scary or gross):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgGCH_E5yXE

What did you and c. not like about Martyrs? I thought people loved that movie.

some people seem to find Martyrs powerful or something but I fond it dishonest and flimsy.

i haven't seen ASF, and as i said, don't care to, but i did see a rather spectacularly brutal yugoslavian film called mehanizam ("the mechanism") several years back at a film festival. though it's a fairly traditional survival/endurance thriller, with none of the over-the-top transgressions that ASF apparently brings to the table, it was so unremittingly, sadistically bleak that it left me quite angry and shaken. walked out the theater absolutely hating it, but once the initial trauma wore off, i came to retropectively appreciate its craft and performances.

thing is, i wound up thinking a lot about mehanizam as the product of the "kosovo conflict" (and surrounding strife), of a generation that lived through a bloody civil war involving fascist tyranny, ethnic cleaning, the bombing of urban centers, etc. looking at it this way helped me understand the film's methods and message, as well as my own "civilized" distaste for its furious brutality. perhaps helps to see something like ASF in a similar context, though again, i'm speaking only of its reputation, in complete ignorance of the actual film.

some people seem to find Martyrs powerful or something but I fond it dishonest and flimsy.

― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:11 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

it was dumb, loud and flashy, with absolutely no interest in real character development, which made the third act seem almost completely pointless. i didn't care about anything onscreen, though i did think that the basic idea was interesting.

had similar objections to a l'interieur ("inside"), a film often mentioned in the same breath, but at least that a credible central character and a sense of playful exuberance to balance out the heavy-handed "extremity".

"...at least that had a credible central character..."

Maybe there will be a string of movies: Sebian Beauty, Serbian Dad, Serbian Pastoral.

martyrs is my favorite horror film of the last 10 years

had similar objections to a l'interieur ("inside"), a film often mentioned in the same breath, but at least that a credible central character and a sense of playful exuberance to balance out the heavy-handed "extremity".

yeah Inside was at least upfront about being a brutish genre flick.

I think the biggest problem I have with anything at all torture porn-ish is the vacuous nihilism which informs it and is perpetuated by its existence. I actually don't think I'd mind seeing something that utilized those elements in a more well-rounded or thoughtful way (kinda thinking of something like the interview in DFW's Brief Interviews With Hideous Men where the guy details being sodomized with the broken bottle). Which probably scoots it out of the strict confines of horror. But, y'know, balancing out those extremes of human depravity with hope and some willingness to survive beyond that. I dunno, maybe some of the stuff that's already out there qualifies. I just know that I'm too overly-sensitive to expose myself to depictions of humanity's capacity for atrocious cruelty that I'm not really all that willing to look into this stuff on the off chance that I might find something that won't make me wanna snuff it.

change topic a little bit, is HC2 the only sequel that uses its predecessor as an actual film? the idea of HC2 being a movie about someone who was inspired by the first movie seems like something that's never been done before and is really a cool concept.

Blair Witch 2. Return of the Living Dead (sorta).

OTM, it's clever as hell. great way to get around the fact that your central character is dead, too. too bad about the (alleged) execution (lol).

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oh, and wes craven's new nightmare (sorta)

This seems to be a thing only horror movies do. Ha ha.

O_o at A Serbian Film synopsis. Who knew that the torture porn genre offered such rich, as-yet-uncharted territory *vomits*

xxxp - yeah was kinda wondering how they'd come up with a sequel considering that everybody in the movie dies iirc; you can't really say "well, there was another scientist, and he's mad too" unless you want to do some hangover 2 type shit

is HC2 the only sequel that uses its predecessor as an actual film? the idea of HC2 being a movie about someone who was inspired by the first movie seems like something that's never been done before and is really a cool concept.

i think scream played around with this idea although iirc the events of the first movie 'really happened' and then inspired a fictionalized movie version which was incorporated into the sequels? haha i may not rc

this is annoying me tho because im sure ive seen it done before although maybe not as directly & i cant remember where...

old testament --> new testament

not a sequel, but anyone who thinks they might enjoy meta-horror, get thee to Bigas Luna's 1987 Anguish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAW_7xghhkw&feature=related

^ oh shit yeah! great movie, bizarre and original in the best possible way. "behind you, there's another dimension"

have it on video (lol, like no shit, an old VHS tape i bought when a store liquidated its stock), but haven't watched it in ages. a plan!

plus, there's nowhere else to see Michael Lerner and Zelda Rubenstein topline a movie.

dont want to derail but people using the irritating torture porn nomenclature as a general dismissive all these movies are shit catch all are missing the point tbh. plus we had a whole thread kind of about that but i have to go find it. will link when i do.

wow Anguish looks great! and Michael Lerner speaks spanish!

Enjoying horror films - why do we (or don't we)?

oh also sorry for perpetrating starting out my last post with a torture sentence, jesus

If you can't call the purported Human Centipede sequel "torture porn", then torture porn doesn't actually exist.

I mean, you have a scene where the antagonist wraps his cock in barbed wire and rapes the woman at the end of the centipede! This ho may not be worth saving, cap'n.

eh idk, i have no confidence in human centipede 2, but i am not really down with judging stuff sight unseen (which means i watch a lot of terrible stuff tbh) - if you went by scene specific descriptors of Irreversible or Martyrs you could easily say those must be valueless torture porn exercises, but i think youd be wrong.

i am not really down with judging stuff sight unseen (which means i watch a lot of terrible stuff tbh)

lol you at least recognize how you are sabotaging your argument here, right

as ive said before, i will gladly watch 5 terrible movies to find 1 amazing thing i would have otherwise skipped.

doesn't sound like you skip much tho

xxp: (which is totally aside from you objecting to me calling a movie where someone gets sexual gratification from torturing people "torture porn")

Do you have to see "A Serbian Film", which includes scenes of pretty much every iteration of sexual snuff film that you can think of, before you can call it "torture porn"? Or are you maybe being completely oversensitive here?

torture porn is one of those names for stuff somebody else likes

wait, did that make any sense?

It made total sense, but my argument is that it doesn't make sense to object to all usages of it, particularly when describing movies that are intentionally melding together sexual acts with extreme, protracted violence.

yeah im not sure id call sushi 'torture porn'

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A strong-stomached friend of mine live tweeted ASF, and it gives a good overview of the film and his reactions to it, without having to watch it, which I certainly won't.

http://lookintomyeye.blogspot.com/2011/02/serbian-film.html

haha yeah it did to me xpost

i am just 100% opposed to the term - and just because it might have a more direct and accurate application to this particular film, it still carries all of the baggage with it that came before.

particularly when describing movies that are intentionally melding together sexual acts with extreme, protracted violence.

and not to overuse irreversible, but this is a dead on description of that film as well, but that doesnt make it torture porn

Curious as to why you are opposed to the term justen, is it the lazy way the term ties it into titilation (i.e. "food porn" - a term I can't stand).

a couple things from the other thread-

i think the issue i have with the term is mostly to do with the use of "porn", which operates on a much more ahem functional level where the pleasure is more direct. in other words, using porn to describe this stuff implies that the enjoyment is contained in the visual, which is not true for me.

― First and Last and Safeways ™ (jjjusten), Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:25 PM (1 year ago)

and i think that it carries an explicit message of shame and wrongness within it as well.

― First and Last and Safeways ™ (jjjusten), Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:27 PM (1 year ago)

from that ASF overview:

Poor old Milosh. He was actually quite a likeable chap until they injected him with cattle aphrodisiac.

I lol'd

It was "interesting" trying to read those tweets while at work.

The Saw movies are torture porn to me. That stupid Gerard Butler revenge movie is torture porn to me...if youre showing people in godawfully painful ridiculosly tortuous situations JUST to show how painful & ridiculously torturous it is..oh hi Wolf Creek... then I cant think of a better term for it. The throwaway & gratuitous nature of the gaze is what I find problematic. Some movies & directors use those scenes well, and some are imnature to the point where it feels like its solely to get off on it, no more no less.

immature

okay having just read the plot synopsis of "Irreversible", you are being ornery because you don't like it when people put the word "torture" in front of the word "porn"

also, please expand upon this:

i think the issue i have with the term is mostly to do with the use of "porn", which operates on a much more ahem functional level where the pleasure is more direct. in other words, using porn to describe this stuff implies that the enjoyment is contained in the visual, which is not true for me.

If you do not enjoy watching this stuff, why do you watch it? I certainly understand the value of READING a good horror story (cf the almost exclusively horror reading kick I was on between the ages of 13 and 15, or how I am voraciously devouring the plot synopses to all of these movies I don't intend to see, or how I read the Scream screenplay several years before I actually saw the movie). I do not understand how you can rationalize away the medium in which the story is presented; IMO, the medium in which a story is presented matters, almost as much as the details of the story itself (if not more in some cases; the intense creeping dread of the original stalking segments of "Halloween" is much harder to get across in prose than by showing it on the screen, for example, whereas the hobbling scene in the book Misery is WAY more graphic and horrifying than what was shown in the movie).

wrt to irreversible, the rape scene in that is probably in the top five most difficult things to watch i have ever seen, and it has a 100% juxtaposition of clinically observed and protacted violence and sex. i dont see how i am being ornery about it at all - if hostel 3 had the same scene, everybody would use it as an examplar of the torture porn genre, but since gaspar noe did it it is transgressive art instead somehow?

the second thing was building on my idea that the enjoyment obtained by the viewer is on some sort of second level emotional survival/endurance reaction/reward, not pleasure gotten from the visual itself. that doesnt change the fact that to produce this response, the visual sometimes has to be there. in no way am i saying that i dont enjoy these films (obv not all of them) - what im saying is that the visual stimulus is not the be all/end all. hence the term "porn" is misleading, because it implies that the pleasure is contained fully in the picture, and thats just not the case.

anyway, the important point here is that i am sure ill watch both this sequel and a serbian film, so if people want an eyewitness report im yer guy.

Would probably read jjjusten's livebloggin' of either film.

Gasper Noe included that scene as a shocking start to the reverse chronology, beginning with utter horror and disgust and ending with love (tainted by our knowledge of what will come next). Its intention is to make you feel horrible, yes. But on the other hand, it's something that happens to far too many people, in real life, and Noe's relentless approach to its depiction pretty much negates the "hey, dude, check this out!" factor that hampers all these shitty movies where people are tied to a chair and cut up or whatever. Like the Saws or the Hostels, where the only thing the films have going for them is the elaborate kills (much like porn, where literally everything beyond the sex is superfluous afterthought that exists to set up the sex). The rape scene in "Irreversible" may be notorious, but there are many other reasons to see the movie besides that.

wrt to irreversible, the rape scene in that is probably in the top five most difficult things to watch i have ever seen, and it has a 100% juxtaposition of clinically observed and protacted violence and sex. i dont see how i am being ornery about it at all - if hostel 3 had the same scene, everybody would use it as an examplar of the torture porn genre, but since gaspar noe did it it is transgressive art instead somehow?

This is difficult to argue because I haven't seen "Irreversible". The impression I get from the synopsis is that the movie starts with the aftermath of violence, rewinds back through the violent events, and shows the viewer the idyll the characters started from with a foreboding line about how it couldn't last; narratively, it's telling a story structurally similar to "Memento" re: exploring consequences of actions. It seems really disingenuous to argue that taking a violent scene from that story and adding it to a movie series that made its name on being about a resort where you are allowed to torture anonymous people to death does not change the context or impact of the original scene.

the second thing was building on my idea that the enjoyment obtained by the viewer is on some sort of second level emotional survival/endurance reaction/reward, not pleasure gotten from the visual itself. that doesnt change the fact that to produce this response, the visual sometimes has to be there. in no way am i saying that i dont enjoy these films (obv not all of them) - what im saying is that the visual stimulus is not the be all/end all. hence the term "porn" is misleading, because it implies that the pleasure is contained fully in the picture, and thats just not the case.

I fundamentally disagree with this. This is not at all how I am wired so the argument makes no sense to me.

see thats the disagreement that fascinates me so much tho (hence that other thread that i have oops dragged into this one i guess). i have no problem with people not being wired that way, and man, forcing someone to watch any of this stuff is the last thing i would do - i get why it doesnt work for some people, and in no way do i think that peeps are obligated to find a way around it. but the problem is stuff like:

Gasper Noe included that scene as a shocking start to the reverse chronology, beginning with utter horror and disgust and ending with love (tainted by our knowledge of what will come next). Its intention is to make you feel horrible, yes. But on the other hand, it's something that happens to far too many people, in real life, and Noe's relentless approach to its depiction pretty much negates the "hey, dude, check this out!" factor that hampers all these shitty movies where people are tied to a chair and cut up or whatever. Like the Saws or the Hostels, where the only thing the films have going for them is the elaborate kills (much like porn, where literally everything beyond the sex is superfluous afterthought that exists to set up the sex). The rape scene in "Irreversible" may be notorious, but there are many other reasons to see the movie besides that.

(emphasis mine) - why is this the assumption? and is this assumption based on actually seeing Hostel II, or just figuring that films that people lazily lump into "torture porn" cant have any redeeming qualities and the people that watch them cant have any motivation other than slobbering over gore?

My counter-question is "why do people like the Final Destination movies?"

because rube goldberg traps are awesome

This ho may not be worth saving, cap'n.

nobody lol'd here? give a man his props people that is an extra-milage lol

I do agree wrt at least the first "Saw" that there is more to the movie than just elaborate kills, but a good portion of that movie is also about a super vengeful psychopath making people do horrendous things to punish them for not being perfect human beings; the framework upon which the elaborate kills are laid isn't that pleasant, either.

xp: FINALLY TY AERO

I can't believe anyone who's actually seen one of the Hostel movies could say all the film has going for it are the "elaborate kills"

there are also boobs

lol

philistines

fwiw I have only seen the beginning of "Hostel" while they are still on the train so I am in no position to comment on what that movie is or isn't

it does seem to be really gross tho

boobs
kills
doesn't matter

I've seen both Hostels and sort of liked the OTT second one, but come on - there's no mystery, there are barely any names. Once you know what's going on, you ... know what's going on. The rest is ridiculous, guys/gals tied to chairs and tortured. If you took out the kills and gore, there would be no movie. Something like Irreversible could have existed without the shocking violence, but the shocking violence at least served a structural/narrative purpose.

your argument is really incoherent. You're using the proof that the violence of the film is intrinsic to the story as proof there's nothing going on but mindless graphic killing?

i really should grammar-check before accusing other people of incoherence

i dunno...i think there is something weirdly stimulating about watching things that trigger responses in your brain that you'd otherwise never have...same reason stuff like rotten.com is so popular and really the only justification for the last two gaspar noe films

I can understand people being turned off by the violence in the Hostel movies, but I'm surprised someone could miss that there's some dark humor and commentary about power, tourism, privilege, etc in these movies if they've seen them.

see thats the disagreement that fascinates me so much tho

Basically, my viewpoint is that for many of these movies there must be SOME element of enjoying what you are seeing. That is how I process most if not all movies; everything I see goes through a subconscious "am I enjoying watching this?" filter. There are certain circumstances in which I enjoy being scared, thrill rides at amusement parks being the biggest one. I do not enjoy extreme gore and I do not enjoy watching people die in the context of a horror/slasher movie; the former invokes strong revulsion that completely obliterates any enjoyment I may have while the latter is just neverending dread with little-to-no catharsis. I don't usually come out of the other end thinking "wow, I made it, what a great movie!", I think "why the fuck did I make myself watch that, now I will not be able to stop thinking about it and some of those images have been seared into my brain".

I don't like looking at the insides of the human body; that is why they are on the inside, so I don't have to see them.

Of course, to be completely contradictory, I can deal with a surprising amount of gore in an action film. I don't know why; possibly there is something about the presentation where an action film registers to my brain as Completely Unreal whereas a horror film Maybe Could Happen Therefore God No Turn It Off...? I don't know, my brain doesn't make sense in how it processes information sometimes.

(I blame most of my horror antipathy on seeing a special about horror films on television with my family at around age 5 that contained way too many scenes from "Psycho".)

Of course, to be completely contradictory, I can deal with a surprising amount of gore in an action film. I don't know why; possibly there is something about the presentation where an action film registers to my brain as Completely Unreal whereas a horror film Maybe Could Happen Therefore God No Turn It Off...? I don't know, my brain doesn't make sense in how it processes information sometimes.

see i'm the same way and i think it has less to do with un/reality of action violence (which is often more "realistic"! gangsters shooting each other happens way more than ppl getting kidnapped by psychopaths and tortured in elaborate contraptions), and more to do with the ~cruelty~ of horror-film violence.

it seems to me that the difference between irreversible and hostel is the intention people ascribe to the filmmakers, which is pretty slippery stuff when it comes to actual critique. basically GN is a repsected artful filmmaker (obv not to everyone) so his choice to have a rape scene go on for 9 violent minutes (not to mention some headsmashing and other prime torture porn exemplars) is to create an effect in the viewer - but somehow when eli roth does it he is just pandering to gorehounds with no intention behind the splatter. this seems pretty unfair to me.

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what's disquieting is the animus of the violence, not the blood and guts themselves (i've seen plenty of actual blood and guts, up close, and it doesn't bother me in the least, and i still have no desire to watch "hostel" or w/e)

I prefer my horror movies to be either really atmospheric or kinetic or displaying a real strong sensibility or wit. I like fright and the fear of something but I usually don't like when there's nothing on the screen but cold agony. I was pretty afraid of seeing the first Hostel film because of this (it's also one reason I haven't seen Irreversible), and was pleasantly surprised at the wit Roth showed.

yeah i dont know where i fall on the action vs horror thing (although i mostly find action uninteresting for me i guess). i mean how many people that hate torture porn (still hate the term but im not bothering to put it in quotes anymore because eh) love Casino which has some pretty monstrous and unfliching violent shit in it?

well but its not really ~about~ the monstrous unflinching shit in it.

maybe i will see 'hostel.' i remember slocki RIP repping for it---everyone keeps saying its actually pretty witty, i just have such a hard time thinking it will be

Thats kind of a disingenuous argument though, because Casino has a whole lot more to offer as a viewing experience, while a lot of the torture porn (or w/e you want to call it) revolves pretty centrally around what people are purporting to hate.

Casino has a whole lot more to offer as a viewing experience

voiceover? sharon stone?

I only saw "Casino" once years ago but I do not remember monstrous and unflinching violent shit in it that went above and beyond what you would expect to see in a movie about mob-run casinos in Las Vegas.

yeah they cut the scene where the guy's eye pops out of his skull, come on now!

voiceover? sharon stone?

lol, I wasn't really intending a relative quality argument re: Casino

I get where jjjusten is coming from, but it feels kind of like he's arguing about why people who hate Randy Newman wouldn't differentiate between, say, Toy Story and a Newman live concert DVD. One is just a small part of the whole (that may taint it a bit), in the other its pretty much inescapable.

well but its not really ~about~ the monstrous unflinching shit in it.

Haha, I just recently read Richard Shickel's new "Conversations with Scorsese" book, and Scorsese says "Casino" pretty much IS all about the monstrous unflinching shit in it.

On one level I love genres like comedy and horror because as long as you fulfill the inherent promise - making 'em laugh, or making 'em scared - you can throw in anything else you want. But the problem is how easily people can just write off movies that readily accept those handles. If someone's like "look, I don't dig fart jokes" or "I don't like movies that try to gross me out" - hey, that's fine. But when people start talking about how THAT'S ALL THERE IS...I just have to assume that's all they can see.

see the problem here is that its pretty easy for this to descend into a "no it doesnt/yes it does" response curve re: how much hostel etc has to offer as a viewing experience. i like casino quite a bit, but to me its a fair to middling genre exercise thats kind of fun, whereas hostel 2/martyrs/deadgirl just have tons more to say and way more depth to be investigated.

xpost wait what the headcrushing was def in the version i saw, also the baseball bat cornfield shit

Yeah, its kind of hard for me to take some sort of stand on Casino itt because I only saw it once and really didn't care for it much.

Irreversible is designed as an across the board extreme sensorial experience. It's exhausting. It's also, not coincidentally, more or less how the movie "begins." A lot of what gets termed torture porn is, like real porn, ultimately kind of boring, given that the extended torture provides the climax, and in both Hostel films, those climaxes are pretty anti-climatic.

Anyway, I would concede a degree of incoherence. We are talking sex and violence, which are the two most subjective elements of the arts, esp. when it comes to things that push them "too far." But I guess I'm arguing to difference between movies where violence punctuates the plot and where violence is the plot. I mean, the Hostel and Saw films are literally about people being strapped down and tortured (facile subtexts asides). But Irreversible is not about rape, just as Casino is not "about" gangland violence.

xpost wait what the headcrushing was def in the version i saw, also the baseball bat cornfield shit

Scorcese originally included much more graphic shots in the headcrushing scene where the guy's eyeball pops out of his skull. that got cut from the film.

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scorsese doesn't like casino iirc

idk, an eye popping out a head is gross, but it's not baby rape

I dunno, for me it's become a sub-genre of horror that picked up an unfortunate nickname, slasher films of the 80s were just flimsy plots propping up elaborate kill scenes, and most modern torture porn films are way more well-made than slasher films of yore

I'm not a hostel fan but ppl don't need to be terrified of it - it has an action/adventure feel, there's a plot, it has good guys and bad guys, ppl survive and escape, there are a few grisly moments but it's not like 90 minutes of abject nihilistic suffering or anything

a zillion xps

Baby Rape was the best of the Rape Girls imho.

Much better than Scary Rape, anyway.

why am I laughing

like, i enjoy action films, but i rarely have the experience where even a great action film leaves me with a lot to think about afterwards - but i resist the idea that action films are inherently disposible escapism because who the hell am i to say that. things like horror (and like da croupier said, comedy) get labelled as pointless/thoughtless/idealess whatever on a regular basis.

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I think the fact that the violence in "Casino" made so little impact on me that I can't even remember says a lot in how I felt about it, ie I really didn't care and it didn't bother me. Whereas I still remember homegirl in the "Night of the Living Dead" remake playing putt-putt with a severed hand decades later.

fwiw the Hostel movies may well be saying some extraordinarily clever things about tourism but I would like to think it's possible to make clever critics without tying one of your main characters to a chair and snipping off parts of his body bit by bit, or hanging someone upside-down and repeatedly slashing their skin so you can roll around in their blood. That just seems to me like it is begging for the medium to take over the message.

it feels weird to defend the severity of violence in one type of film when they're praising the irrelevance of the violence in others

I think the opposing viewpoints here are "violence is violence" versus "context matters"

ppl like getting grossed out

why do slasher films exist

I'm not a hostel fan but ppl don't need to be terrified of it - it has an action/adventure feel, there's a plot, it has good guys and bad guys, ppl survive and escape, there are a few grisly moments but it's not like 90 minutes of abject nihilistic suffering or anything

this is reassuring. i'd really envisioned it as 90 minutes of suffering

hostel is first and foremost a thrill ride, any important shit it has to say about tourism or 1st world hegemony is just trimmings

maybe watching these movies are like eating food you know is way too spicy and will probably ruin your day just for the sick thrill of it?

It's all relative. I don't like films that are just some person getting cut up for no reason, but gimme a reason or some wit and I'm usually fine - a stance that's pretty arbitrary if you think about it. I know people who would think Casino is a disgusting film, full of unnecessary, gratuitous violence. I don't really see any philosophical difference here, everyone's just got different points where they say "HEY, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS, MOVIE? EW! I'M DONE WITH YOU."

lol I want to make a crack about how if "I Know Who Killed Me" had been narrated by Louis CK ppl would have been all over it but that honestly would have improved the movie about a bazillion percent

ahaha yeah otm

xpost Yeah, anyone that says Hostel is just people being tortured haven't seen it. But those claiming it's ultimately about much more than that are on thin ground, I think. It's just another version of "The Most Dangerous Game" idea, only where the game is immobilized.

I totally agree, btw, that Hostel and Saw did not invent torture porn. They're just glossy hit manifestations of the same ol, from Herschell Gordon Lewis to "Last House" and "Chainsaw." Those films were designed to be transgressive shocks, to degrees. But regarding "Chainsaw," for example, it's sort of amazing how little blood is shed. The situation is horrific in and of itself.

The extra gory version of Casino, btw, was made to throw off the MPAA, who were reportedly more lenient with Scorsese's second submission having seen what he cut out.

It's funny, I think Scorsese's Cape Fear is a far more disgusting movie in ways than a lot of "torture porn" but I can't really put the films that gross me out into a genre, lock them in a box, throw them off the pier, dust my hands off and go watch a rambo movie. There are so many criteria that go into that kind of revulsion that I get frustrated when do it.

when people do it. Jesus why don't I look over my posts. SWEAR I WILL FROM NOW ON. I SWEAR.

Man, did you see Rambo IV? It was torture porn-a-rific. Limbs a flyin' ...

Speaking of rambo, DJP have you seen the last Rambo? Definitely had more war carnage than any movie I've ever seen (at least in quantity), curious if it bothered you or not.

haha xpost!

I mean yeah, no one would call it "torture porn" unless they were using the term to describe those arnie/sly/mel gibson movies where the hero gets raked over coals metaphorically and/or literally.

I have never seen a Rambo movie, oddly enough.

neither have i!

iirc the torture porn term evolved out of use of the action porn term that was applied to rambo et al in the 80s

I have, however, seen every Lethal Weapon, both Bad Boys, The Rock, Daylight, the first 3 Die Hards, the first 3 Resident Evils, Silent Hill, Ultraviolet, whatever Christian Bale's futuristic assassin movie was called, and all the Terminator movies

(the only one out of that list that I disliked was Terminator: Salvation)

iirc the torture porn term evolved out of use of the action porn term that was applied to rambo et al in the 80s

really? never heard the word "action porn" and it seems like there's a large gap between the genres there. Unless it just evolved from people tacking the word porn onto anything that had too much of something they didn't like.

ding ding ding

it was david foster wallace lol

http://www.badgerinternet.com/~bobkat/waterstone.html

1990s moviegoers who have sat clutching their heads in both awe and disappointment at movies like "Twister" and "Volcano" and "The Lost World" can thank James Cameron's "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" for inaugurating what's become this decade's special new genre of big-budget film: Special Effects Porn. "Porn" because, if you substitute F/X for intercourse, the parallels between the two genres become so obvious they're eerie. Just like hard-core cheapies, movies like "Terminator 2" and "Jurassic Park" aren't really "movies" in the standard sense at all. What they really are is half a dozen or so isolated, spectacular scenes -- scenes comprising maybe twenty or thirty minutes of riveting, sensuous payoff -- strung together via another sixty to ninety minutes of flat, dead, and often hilariously insipid narrative.

Like the Saws or the Hostels, where the only thing the films have going for them is the elaborate kills (much like porn, where literally everything beyond the sex is superfluous afterthought that exists to set up the sex). The rape scene in "Irreversible" may be notorious, but there are many other reasons to see the movie besides that.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, June 8, 2011 12:20 PM (59 minutes ago)

But I guess I'm arguing to difference between movies where violence punctuates the plot and where violence is the plot. I mean, the Hostel and Saw films are literally about people being strapped down and tortured (facile subtexts asides). But Irreversible is not about rape, just as Casino is not "about" gangland violence.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:13 PM (6 minutes ago)

dislike the blithe certainty of what seems an imaginary distinction. you take irreversible seriously as art (it certainly does), so you grant it transgressive license. meanwhile, you dismiss the hostel and saw films on that level, and therefore consider their transgressions quasi-pornographic and therefore (presumably?) unjustified. i simply do not buy this.

to my mind, irreversible, like i stand alone before it, is thoughtful and extraordinarily well crafted, but also gratingly pretentious and shallow, its superficial intellectualism barely disguising the tedious nihilism and self-regard at its core. i don't think it deserves censure, but i'd hardly go to it as a case example of a film that earns some special right to wallow sadism and brutalize its audience. the saw and hostel films, though they make no great claim to art-status, function very well as commercial thrillers, and are driven by mystery and suspense at least as much as the spectacle of human suffering.

i'm basically okay with the phrase "torture porn" so long as we understand that it's pejorative, the language of condemnation. i don't enjoy extremes of sadism in horror, so i often use this phrase to denigrate films that bum me out. i won't pretend that it's 100% (medically) accurate in terms of how such films actually function, but it does effectively communicate my distaste.

so yeah tacking the word porn onto anything that had too much of something they didn't like is right, re: DFW. Are musicals "musical porn"?

yes, why yes they are

this isn't really a movie, just a bunch of isolated bits of DANCE PORN tied to a narrative

the criticism of musicals having too much music in them is, without a doubt, the single dumbest piece of criticism a person can make

Fletch is nothing but SNARK PORN

I think the criticism is "here are these films driven by elaborate setpieces that are held together by flimsy narrative excuses, so these types of films are inherently awful"

shh, let croup get it all out of his system so that he can start making sense again

np

hey, one could easily argue that Fletch is just a bunch of flimsy narrative excuses for Chevy Chase to crack wise

would say that The Fast & the Furious definitely qualifies as car porn

I wasn't aware that people found Chevy Chase's jokes to be offensive on par with tying someone to a chair and cutting off parts of their body

sorry, nancy grace

you could say the same about CGI dinosaurs

the transgressive nature of Chevy Chase comedy routines: a case study

they dont, but they might find them as offensive as tying an imaginary person to a chair and doing so in a movie

My point is that movies have long existed for reasons other than the glory of the narrative, and that you could easily declare movies unabashed about that fact as SET PIECE PORN or wtfever

I've always kinda hated DFW tbh

the way i remember/imagine it, "torture porn" (the phrase) evolved not out of "action porn", but out of talk in the 80s about "the pornography of violence". this phrase was often applied to gory horror films, but also to violent entertainment of other sorts. the direct implication, of course, was that the violence in such entertainment was the only real reward offered, that while such movies might pretend to offer other rewards, fans just wanted the money shot. which is probably true to some degree. like a lot of horror fans, i loved gore as a kid and idolized the special makeup guys who provided it (tom savini, dick smith, rob bottin, rick baker) at least as much as my favorite directors.

problem is that there's a second, indirect implication. the phrase "the pornography of violence" implies that, like the sex in traditional porn, the violence in gory horror is bad, immoral and unacceptable. it's a term that insults not only the films it describes, but sexual pornography in general. after all, we don't call comedy "the pornography of jokes" or romance "the pornography of love".

anyway, though it's still built around a troublesome puritanism regarding sex, i like the phrase "torture porn" because it shifts the focus from violence, which i don't have any real problem with, to the sadism of torture, which i frequently abhor.

sorry, nancy grace

no problem, Jeffrey Dahmer

xp: wait are we now playing the "you must have meant LITERALLY tying a person to a chair even though this entire conversation has been in the context of imaginary movie events" game, because that is incredibly intellectually dishonest

oops, the main point there covered more efficiently in xposts.

My point is that movies have long existed for reasons other than the glory of the narrative, and that you could easily declare movies unabashed about that fact as SET PIECE PORN or wtfever

Really, because it seems like your point is that you are being hyperdefensive for no real reason

i was making a joke because chevy chase is like 95% terrible

Really, because it seems like your point is that you are being hyperdefensive for no real reason

Is your point to avoid my point or something? I was making fun of a DFW quote.

also it's pretty facetious to say "hyperdefensive for no reason" after saying "shh, let croup get it all out of his system so that he can start making sense again"

giving it more thought though i dont really get the idea of imaginary violence being offensive? i mean for me, not making moral judgements here. so there was some meat behind my comment about chevy chase being terrible, but not much.

Anyway, my point was and always has been that the whole "torture porn" term is certainly dismissive and pejorative, and possibly unfair, but it seems totally crazypants to me to be "BUT I OBJECT" about it being used about movies that are explicitly about marrying together porn and torturing people.

I mean, the entire plot of Human Centipede 2 is that someone was so sexually aroused by Human Centipede 1 that he made his own human centipede that he could have sex with, which he does in a series of apparently sadistic ways that involve torturing both the centipede and himself. How can you object to someone saying "this seems like it is torture porn" with a straight face????????

when did i say anything about human centipede?

presumably he prefers the term "painful erotica"

xp: try reading the thread

If you can't call the purported Human Centipede sequel "torture porn", then torture porn doesn't actually exist.

I mean, you have a scene where the antagonist wraps his cock in barbed wire and rapes the woman at the end of the centipede! This ho may not be worth saving, cap'n.

― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:01 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

eh idk, i have no confidence in human centipede 2, but i am not really down with judging stuff sight unseen (which means i watch a lot of terrible stuff tbh) - if you went by scene specific descriptors of Irreversible or Martyrs you could easily say those must be valueless torture porn exercises, but i think youd be wrong.

― just malorted a little bit in my mouth (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:13 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man you guys got way off point then

I clicked out of curiosity and found someone dissin' hostel, that's why I'm here

also lol @ objecting to someone directing conversation back the The Human Centipede on the thread about The Human Centipede

when did i object? i just found it odd to have you saying "my point has always been that saying the human centipede 2 is torture porn makes perfect sense" after debating everything but the human centipede 2 for a couple hours

yeah so basically you are a living datapoint for the "context is important" argument

so you admit you're debating more than the human centipede 2

i heart dfw but that article is ludicrous; he says bad things about jurassic park.

you are really weird sometimes

that quentin tarantino thing where people pretend "torture" is qualitatively equivalent to "dance" or "hamburger" is also ludicrous fwiw

Just in case it's not clear, I've never advocated torture in my life. I have consistently been against torture.

O captains my captains

issue here isn't w/ torture it's w/ the suggestion that ideas are totally interchangeable and meaningless just because they're in a movie

the conversation was sparked by the Human Centipede sequel and has, at least on my end, been operating in that context; yes other things have been brought up, mostly around "why does violence in this context bother some people but in this other context it doesn't?" but um... this is still the Human Centipede thread, and I don't think you can handwave/ignore the movie that is sparking the discussion

Tbf I only did it to make fun of DFW's comments about CGI Dinosaur porn xpost

well that is fine then. sorry i think what i did is look at the thread, think "oh this argument" and just take up my usual place in it

I don't think you can handwave/ignore the movie that is sparking the discussion

It's actually pretty easy to do when no one's seen it. It definitely seems to be ABOUT torture and ABOUT porn, I'll grant you that. But the fact that it sounds so self-aware makes the idea of it being some pure exploitation actually more of a stretch.

sight unseen Boogie Nights sounds like a porno

hate to point this out but anybody pretending that the copied-and-pasted dfw excerpt constitutes the entirety of his point or even the most salient part of his argt is being, at best, disingenuous

i like the dfw i've read so if he's being misquoted/misrepresented on the subject of "special effects porn" I blame the messenger

If you read the plot to "Boogie Nights" it doesn't sound like a porno

although maybe I'm just not finding the right porn

well I mean the link's in the thread, the article's like 1500 words and has a graf toward the end beginning with the words "The point is"

it's about a guy with a big dick who makes porn! that's just as much a "porn plot" as a guy enjoying torture porn and making his own is a blatant "torture porn plot"

xpost calm down capn-save-a-dfw

i've read the article before; i am just very defensive of jurassic park

funny, because the "Boogie Nights" plot synopsis I just read seems to be about a bunch of people who make porn and their mostly unsuccessful attempts to stop, which is basically the exact opposite of any pornographic movie with a plot that I've seen

see the thrust of my analogy is that a film being about a genre isn't necessarily proof that the film is indicative of the genre.

I will concede though that it is unlikely Human Centipede 2 isn't full-on hardcore pornography; maybe it's more like those Emmanuelle films, only instead of a gauzily-lit French woman having hardcore sex by a fountain it features a bunch of people stitched together by a sadist who gets aroused when one part of the centipede has to defecate into another one's mouth

I mean, this is the link posted to the thread about the movie:

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/newsreleases/2011/06/bbfc-rejects-the-human-centipede-ii-full-sequence/

The principal focus of The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) is the sexual arousal of the central character at both the idea and the spectacle of the total degradation, humiliation, mutilation, torture, and murder of his naked victims. Examples of this include a scene early in the film in which he masturbates whilst he watches a DVD of the original Human Centipede film, with sandpaper wrapped around his penis, and a sequence later in the film in which he becomes aroused at the sight of the members of the ‘centipede’ being forced to defecate into one another’s mouths, culminating in sight of the man wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the rear of the ‘centipede’. There is little attempt to portray any of the victims in the film as anything other than objects to be brutalised, degraded and mutilated for the amusement and arousal of the central character, as well as for the pleasure of the audience. There is a strong focus throughout on the link between sexual arousal and sexual violence and a clear association between pain, perversity and sexual pleasure. It is the Board’s conclusion that the explicit presentation of the central character’s obsessive sexually violent fantasies is in breach of its Classification Guidelines and poses a real, as opposed to a fanciful, risk that harm is likely to be caused to potential viewers.

that's "cap'n reading comprehension" to you, cadet xp

so, if you are arguing without the context presented to this thread about this movie, you should maybe acquaint yourself with said context so that you sound less crazy

yeah see the fact that we got some guy rubbing sandpaper on his dick going OH YEAH BABY kinda suggests commentary on the subject. Usually WE'RE the ones supposed to be getting off on the torture, not the main character.

my posting the dfw quote was just to elucidate the etymology of the term torture porn, clearly the genre itself is good for all mammals and should replace the western canon in major universities, I don't need dfw for that self-evident point

I mean the BBC says its for our pleasure, too, but I haven't seen it

yeah see the fact that we got some guy rubbing sandpaper on his dick going OH YEAH BABY kinda suggests commentary on the subject.

new board description

sorry, BBFC

I'm sure you will enjoy it.

dude i haven't even the first, sounds gross

lol you are the biggest troll

troll porn

maybe it's more like those Emmanuelle films, only instead of a gauzily-lit French woman having hardcore sex by a fountain it features a bunch of people stitched together by a sadist who gets aroused when one part of the centipede has to defecate into another one's mouth

― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP)

umm, there's no hardcore sex in any emmanuelle film i've ever seen (and i've seen a few, though i'm no expert). they're softcore all the way. similarly, there's no indication in that bbfc statement that human centipede 2 contains hardcore footage.

mention this cuz the distinction between hardcore (explicit penetration and ejaculation) and softcore (guazily-lit tummy rubbing) is often where we draw a line between the obscenely pornographic and more acceptable "erotica".

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GPOYW

umm, there's no hardcore sex in any emmanuelle film i've ever seen (and i've seen a few, though i'm no expert). they're softcore all the way. similarly, there's no indication in that bbfc statement that human centipede 2 contains hardcore footage.

this was exactly my point

it isnt really trolling to say hey why not reserve judgement on stuff you havent seen tho

It is when you later reveal that you've made a judgment that you weren't going to see the original movie because it sounded gross!

not really! everyone decides what not to see for personal reasons, not everyone declares movie to be "torture porn" because they're about torture porn.

this may be the only argument i have ever been in where the general consensus seems to be that since its on wikipedia it must be true