ASK CUTTY AND DERELICT THE NUTRITION NAZIS

cutty make a nutrition nazi thread, i want 2 read and learn from u

― am0n, Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:10 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cutty do you have any pro tips for eating out

cutty I don't believe this thing about cashews

i am not cutty but going out for sushi usually works pretty easily bc it is good protein. needs more veggies. and just don't eat too much rice.

is there such a thing as a bad fruit or veg

cutty nn - how far do I have to walk to expend all the caloric goodness of this sandwich: thick slices whole-grain bread w/nuts and seeds, thin sliced grilled ham, carmelized sweet onions, honey mustard aioli, smoked provolone, and baby greens?

hey cutty how did max taste at the whole foods?

when you are eating out, don't be embarassed to order a salad. usually restuaurant salads are huge and there is always a protein option. go with the oil and vinegar, skip the house dressing.

stay away from the appetizer bread.

cutty I don't believe this thing about cashews

what thing?

re: sushi

always go for the sashimi to not overload on rice

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THERE IS NOT SUCH THING AS A BAD FRUIT OR VEG -- unless you have joint problems, then nightshade vegetables may cause you some pain

do u eat tacos? what would you order if a taqueria was the only source of food within a hundred miles?

cutty nn - how far do I have to walk to expend all the caloric goodness of this sandwich: thick slices whole-grain bread w/nuts and seeds, thin sliced grilled ham, carmelized sweet onions, honey mustard aioli, smoked provolone, and baby greens?

you'd probably have to walk at a leisurely pace for over two hours.

xxp what about really starchy things

i have not had a taco in a while, but i ate a burrito on sunday after an 84 mile road race. it had cheese, rice, sour cream, guac, everything.

THERE IS NOT SUCH THING AS A BAD FRUIT OR VEG

yeah but do some have more going on than others? like lettuce is basically worthless if you have spinach available, kind of a thing

cutty what do you do when you eat at someone else's house and their food violates most or all of your personal guidelines?

cutty--

how often do you shop 4 groceries? do you make a list based on menus or just feel it out? what would u recommend as a healthy between-meal meal that is easy to prepare?

i'd ride my bike 100 miles to the next restaurant

they say they're fatty but u said nuts are good. cashews is nuts. my world is upside down

what is the nutritional value of falafel (plus hummus)?

http://recipes.sparkpeople.com/recipe-calculator.asp

fun thing.

OMG BURRITO that is what I'm having for dinner. I won't be biking 84 miles at ANY pace, tho I do have to tootle home from Downtown Bklyn. Oh wells!

yeah but do some have more going on than others? like lettuce is basically worthless if you have spinach available, kind of a thing

oh for sure. spinach and broccoli are some of the most nutrient dense vegetables you can eat. each fruit or veg has different things going for it. the internet is helpful here.

cutty what do you do when you eat at someone else's house and their food violates most or all of your personal guidelines?

i try my best not to be difficult

cozwn, not all fats are bad fats, thing like nuts, avocados, peanut butter, olive oil, are good fats. still eat moderately, though.

props to you anyway cutty; I'm surprised you're not in serious caloric deficit taking the impression you've given of your diet and exercise tho I take it ur not on a michael phelps level regime

how often do you shop 4 groceries? do you make a list based on menus or just feel it out? what would u recommend as a healthy between-meal meal that is easy to prepare?

once a week, either sunday or monday. at this point i know exactly how much i need to buy for an entire weeks worth of eating. usually around $140. my cart is usually mostly filled with vegetables and fruit, almond milk, OJ, various lean proteins.

cutty, could you detail what composes your:

<50 mile pre-ride meals
>50 mile pre -ride meals
pre race meals

inter-ride meals

post-ride meals

didn't you see how much i ate already today?!

cutty: what would you recommend for eddie izzard to be eating during his marathons instead of having an ice cream truck follow him around?

shasta, for instance, this AM, i did not eat before my two-hour ride, which was probably just under 50 miles. after i had the recovery shake and oatmeal. then the cereal 2 hours later.

for a 50+ mile, i would have the oatmeal 1-2 hours before the ride, with banana, or other fruit.

cutty why do you use almond milk? why not soy or something?

contrary to vegetarians everywhere, soy is not good for you. particularly for male endurance athletes as it is estrogen producing.

cutty how would you suggest a man who's been addicted to fat-saturated bread-based food for his entire adult life start to wean himself off this diet.

actually, good question! i have been concerned about too much soy consumption bc it's bad hormonally or something? what is almond milk nutritional content like?

xp interesting stuff, thanks

blue diamond unsweetened almond milk, original

http://www.bluediamond.com/shop/natural/lab_BreezeOrig32U.htm

argh: http://www.bluediamond.com/shop/natural/lab_BreezeOrig32U.htm

damn $140 a week seems like a lot

not all soy is bad, it is best in a fermented state, see what's listed below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermented_soy_products

but jordan, i hardly spend any other money on food all week.

yes shasta, tempeh is not bad

but since i follow a modified paleo diet, soy beans are not part of that

cutty, is it healthier to eat peanut butter straight out of the peanut butter jar, or to eat it with fruit preserves ("jam" or "jelly") in a peanut butter and fruit preserves sandwich?

cutty how would you suggest a man who's been addicted to fat-saturated bread-based food for his entire adult life start to wean himself off this diet.

first, you've got to want to change the dynamic between you and food. and the pleasure of eating those bad foods. you have to see the importance of eating healthy, natural, whole foods. you have to look at the big picture. it's definitely a huge shift for people who could give a fuck about what they put in their bodies for the majority of their lives.

iiiijjjj, i've given up peanut butter (as it is a legume, not a nut) and stick with the almond butter. it's more expensive, yeah. but it's better for you. i would make a tasty pb&j sandwich on whole grain bread. watch the jelly, though--make sure it's all natural and there's no HFCS.

need more info re: "almond milk" and "lean proteins"

almond butter is awesome

why is almond butter better? convince me i should switch!

the worst part is i know all of these things already, but i am a very, very weak man.

set goals.

your lean proteins--

turkey, chicken, fishes of all kinds (watch for the mercury heavy ones), 93% lean ground beef, and lean portions of beef

every meal should contain some lean protein, vegetable, and fruit

^^^+pork tenderlon

so is cashew butter

and sunflower seed butter

how much protein do you consume in one training week?

can you break it out whey vs. dairy, soy and animal?

peanut butter has more polyunsaturated fat. almond butter is more monosaturated.

i had a delicious meal last night of broiled scallops in miso and sauteed green beans
does this meet cutty standards or did i accidentally give myself more estrogen?

your lean proteins--

turkey, chicken, fishes of all kinds (watch for the mercury heavy ones), 93% lean ground beef, and lean portions of beef

― cutty, Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:33 PM

do u stick to delis for unprocessed though? and what brand/where do i buy almond milk

cutty: why protein powder? why not an actual food?

Cutty, did you read Cordain's Paleo Diet book? If so, were there any parts that stood out as kind of wacky?

i hardly eat any dairy, except skim milk in my coffee and the whey protein shakes. no soy products at all.

not sure of the exact intake of protein as it varies from week to week based on my training demands. i could try and figure it out though. i've gotten very good at monitoring intake based on the daily energy expenditure.

milo z: yes, but i read the modified book, the paleo diet for athletes, by cordain and friel. it's basically what i subscribe to.

if you are an athlete, you can't be strict paleo. not much wacky about it--modern agriculture has destroyed our eating habits.

what about rice milk? i usually have soy milk but i know it will turn me into twice the woman i am

do u stick to delis for unprocessed though? and what brand/where do i buy almond milk

the only thing i get from the deli is deli turkey. any other meats, poultry, fish, i try to get from whole foods, and i pretty much stick to the grass-fed, free-range, not farm-raised stuff. yes, again, more expensive. :(

modern agriculture has destroyed our eating habits.

modern like 1950 or 1850? eating healthy is one thing but man this paleo stuff seems a mite culty

rice milk is good for you. i like the taste of almond milk better.

am0n, blue diamond almond milk is pretty common around NYC. i'm sure you have options in DC/baltimore?

i know where am0n can buy almond milk but it will cost an arm and a leg

ok natural foods on e. preston st.

i mean w.

granted, it is a little culty, but the logic is there and it's very easy to understand. we're weren't built to eat what the majority of country is addicted to. it's fucked up.

I am addicted to Ciao Bella chocolate-hazelnut gelatto and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

what about rice milk? i usually have soy milk but i know it will turn me into twice the woman i am

It's true, I have had soya milk every day for the last two years and I have three vaginas already.

Have not tried any nut milk though, so who knows what I'm missing.

why does the paleo diet hate beans

i was actually jk about that; i'm not that worried about soy milk in moderate amts because i don't eat much soy otherwise. but maybe you should be careful at this stage. xxp

strongo, i really want to help you

i know the hardest part is getting INTO the routine.

does the paleo diet hate beans? if so i hate the paleo diet

yeah i will get back on track. i am too poor to eat eat-out junk food these days anyway.

cutty is it okay to eat crayons

Legumes:

Beans have been touted as the healthy protein alternative to meat. The fact that they can cause gastrointestinal distress should be enough for our concern. Most legumes are poisonous if eaten raw. Legumes are high in lectins, protease inhibitors, and phytates. Lectins are proteins that bind carbohydrates, been identified as being inflammatory and toxic, and have a casual relationship with auto-immune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, Type I diabetes, and lupus. Phytates or phytic acids, have been shown to inhibit the absorption of minerals such as calcium, magnesium, iron, and zinc in the digestive tract. Furthermore, the presence of protease inhibitors interferes with the breakdown of proteins into amino acids. Vegetarians seeking protein from legumes, may actually be making their protein deficiencies worse! A diet high in legumes, at best, will give you gastrointestinal problems and could result in a mineral deficiency. At worst, a diet high in legumes could induce an "auto-immune" response. Furthermore, the soy industry has been pushing the "health benefits" of soy. As a result, most of our processed foods contain a soy additive or byproduct, in effect, lacing our foods with possible toxins.

The essentials of the Paleolithic Diet are:

Eat none of the following:

· Grains- including bread, pasta, noodles

· Beans- including string beans, kidney beans, lentils, peanuts, snow-peas and peas

· Potatoes

· Dairy products

· Sugar

· Salt

anything INFLAMMATORY should be avoided

i think i eat a pound of beans per week lol

but i'm going to continue until i die

btw, i'm not saying PALEO is the only way to go. it's just what i believe in.

lol @ The fact that they can cause gastrointestinal distress should be enough for our concern.

a vegan diet can be very healthy as well. in fact, i think the best options are between the two.

what does it say about my favorite bfast food quinoa

ectins are proteins that bind carbohydrates, been identified as being inflammatory and toxic, and have a casual relationship with auto-immune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, Type I diabetes, and lupus. ... At worst, a diet high in legumes could induce an "auto-immune" response.

This is terrible! My friend has been put on a macrobiotic diet PRECISELY for her psoriasis and her restless leg syndrome, both of which are apparently inflammatory responses at root! She has seen some improvement but she hates food and eating now...and cutty's source suggests that she's on mostly the wrong track, apart from the benefit of having cut out nightshades, dairy, meats, and other things that might not be the peak of healthfulness.

there should be a paelo restaurant where the wait staff wears animal skins.

i will never give up string beans.

potatoes are good for you imo

quinoa is great for you

depends where you draw the line -- i don't think we're "built" to eat anything, we'll happily go along eating whatever we can lay our chubby fingers on. the organism is built for survival, not "peak performance", this too is ideological.

yeah like lunchables and diet pepsi are legit fucked up, but, bread? delivery of calories, "empty" or not, to growing populations far beyond what "paleo" land use could support is THE exit from the malthusian trap and the beginning of modernity. this is my snark about 1850 vs 1950. every food is "natural", viewed in a broad historical lens; once you are cultivating anything the game is up. could one even eat paleo without modern refrig and transit, above a certain parallel? fruit in winter?

but this is an argt about history, not personal health, rant over, continue your excellent advice!

many xps

Cutty, what is source page for that paleo diet quote?

The essentials of the Paleolithic Diet are:

Eat none of the following:

· Grains- including bread, pasta, noodles

· Beans- including string beans, kidney beans, lentils, peanuts, snow-peas and peas

· Potatoes

· Dairy products

· Sugar

>>· Salt<<

― am0n, Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:46 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok wait is the salt part true

Yeah I was gonna say it's all quinoa all the time over at my house

quinoa is great for you

bbbbut it's a grain, right?

(I'm all for quinoa btw, it is so delicious)

quinoa is not a grain! it's special

also I want ~sources for this "inflammatory" business. I mean, most of this sounds great but like we actually need salts
to LIVE

AND 4 FLAVOR

quinoa is a seed, no?

i guess i'm the only one who misinterpreted the first reply to this thread

yes xp

Uhm, all grains are seeds.

THERE IS NOT SUCH THING AS A BAD FRUIT OR VEG

my dietician would disagree. (well she would say some are not so good as others) she actually showed which ones were bad and which ones were great. i remember the red fruits were low in cals. that's about it.hah. j/k

hahaha remembering a story about someone who didn't know that couscous was a pasta.

not all seeds are grains though xp

Beans are seeds too.

That's one of the things I consider a bit wacky about the paleo diet. Talk of INFLAMMATION without (to my knowledge) clearly defining what this entails or how (for instance) legumes modify it.

The core of the diet - eat veggies and protein - is pretty common sense. But when the talk goes to anti-nutrients and INFLAMMATION and nightshades/gluten little alarm bells start ringing. Coeliacs are a tiny percentage of the population, but that diet and a lot of people act like we're all afflicted. I should just read the book, but I don't have any intention of following the diet and I doubt that he offers much contrary evidence to his product.

semi-Paleothic statement that annoys me: "We're the only species that drinks milk from other species" - well, duh, we're the only species that knows how to domesticate!

i said the nightshade vegetables may cause problems for some. and the farty ones.

wtf is up with not eating beans

milk is fucking gross

Quinoa is a starchy vegetable, like corn, right?

you won't find many people out there that are 100% strict paleo. it's built in to the diet/lifestyle that you will be eating non-paleo foods, especially if you are an athlete.

And nuts, also. Just checked - quinoa is a pseudocereal, more related to beets instead of being a grass

it is a proteiny seed xxp

As a chenopod, quinoa is closely related to species such as beets, spinach and tumbleweeds

and yeah, I don't drink milk because it's slimy and gross, not because my ancestors didn't know how to build a fence for the cows.

i like buckwheat, also not a grain

uh "and nuts are also seeds". Not that something/someone is nuts.

what is your liquid intake cuttles... besides almond milk, water and heed/perpetuem?

everything is seeds imo

dear cuttynn,

the NHS says I can only use one portion of fruit juice towards my five-a-day because juice 'contains very little fibre'. does this fibre just disappear in the juicing process? where does it go?

so, if you make a fresh smoothie that contains say, a banana, handful of strawberries, a portion of pineapple, and a portion of orange juice, does it count as just one portion as well, even though you used 4 portions to make it?

hahaha. yes. one glass of OJ a day. plenty of coffee (not paleo). the rest is water.

milk is def gross

thing is, inflammation actually has a very specific histogical meaning, so I'm curious as to how beans do it

cutty do you not eat yogurt then?

fruit juice, without the solid fruit matter, is devoid of fiber. so there's no fiber to slow down the digestion of sugar. the glycemic load is through the roof.

not sure about the smoothie inquiry. that's not juicing, the solid fruit is still all there.

no yogurt. i used to eat a lot of fage greek yogurt.

if you are including a serving each of all those fruits, that is like 4 servings of fruit.

cutty what do u think of Ultimate Meal vegan protein shakes?

if you are using all the fruit a nd just blending it together.

inflammation is the new thing for healthies/alt medicine types to go on abt

I'm still on cashew nuts here

i think the bacteria in yogurt help me avoid the gastrointestinal consequences of beans

where does alcohol fit in to this? do you not drink for dietary reasons only?

The fiber is in the pulp that the giant industrial juicers leave out (for the most part).

When you throw something in a blender, that pulp is still there.

dude, cashews are fricken awesome. just don't eat more than a 1/2 a cup a day, fatty.

right, i don't drink for athletic reasons. empty calories, and demotivation in the morning after drinking. a hangover does not help me train.

wait how does cellulose (sugar we can't use) slow down the digestion (uptake) of other sugars (sucrose, iirc)?

i smoke weed every day though. vaporizer.

:)

vapezilla

what!! how am I not allowed my cashews but u can get baked. whatevers I'm removing my bookmark from this thread

lol my ex cat 2 buddy says vape is the only way he'll even think of trying weeded

DUDE I SAID EAT CASHEWS. GO FORTH!

cutty what do u eat when u get munchies

I feel like Cutty and my girlfriend would get along. :/

well, munchies are irrelevant because i'm hungry all the time anyway.

Sitting around eating a big bowl of broccoli would probably cure me of smoking weed.

!

xp

cutty probably already everyones girlfriend

..has everyones*..

last girl i dated was totally infuriated by my diet

was she hondurian

lol B]

cutty sounds like the perfect girlfriend

cutty how would you suggest a man who's been addicted to fat-saturated bread-based food for his entire adult life start to wean himself off this diet.

Not to infringe on cutty's turf, here, but what worked for me (earlier this year) was going on the Master Cleanse for two weeks. You could probably get away with a less extreme detoxification ritual (there are many others), but subjecting yourself to a fast/cleanse allows you to eliminate cravings for certain things, change your eating habits & basically hit re-start on your entire range of dietary rituals. It helped me immensely & I couldn't recommend it highly enough.

i encourage anyone to give advice on this thread. thanks, pillbox.

i keep reading strongo's question as breast-based food.

cutty i love mexican, french and japanese food so fuck your paleo diet.

<3 U
shasta

manbreast-based food

On the cleanse tip, food poisoning works too. After vomiting and shitting for a handful of days, your system really does not want anything greasy or fatty in it.

It's nature's way of telling you what you need, I'm sure.

lol yeah, one way or another, you're basically flushing out your endocrine & digestive systems.

still need answers re inflammation, fiber, and vegan shakes!

also, fwiw, my nutrition prof said that purging diets were basically BS, and that there's little need for them as some kind of segue from eating garbage to eating good stuff

cutty do u actually enjoy eating or do u just think of it as 'fuel'

fuck your prof. It really worked.

XP

Purging diets are generally just fasts (which can be good for you) that can be profited on, from what I can tell.

i don't understand fasting of any shape or sort

ok whatever

Yeah, I'm not saying that the effect might not be all or mostly psychological, but even so, that really helps.

i was granting that! useful as a segue, not at all necessary or even beneficial from an actual nutritional standpoint

OK, fair enough. Sorry to be curt & all.

still just want to know what 'inflammation' means w/r/t beans et al.

necessary or even beneficial from an actual nutritional standpoint - there are many arguments waged over whether cleansing rituals actually detoxify you. I am not a nutritionist or a physician, but from experience alone, I think there is something to that aspect of it b/c of various "side effects" which would not have occurred if I simply wasn't eating. What was most important for me, though, was, as gbx mentioned, using it as a "segue" to eliminate old habits & begin new ones. In that sense, the process was extremely effective.

it means if you eat beans you will literally catch fire

i cant see what that master cleanse thing would be able to achieve that would be much different to fasting - it looks like it's pretty much just drinking water?

i thought you had to drink like, laxative tea and stuff. and the special lemonade. like it really means "cleanse."

the difference is two-fold: (1) You are flushing out accumulated debris from your colon & (2) Instead of total caloric deprivation, you are sustained by "the beverage," which, while seemingly unsubstantial compared to a regular dietary regiment, actually contains an impressive combination of essential nutrients. So you aren't actually "fasting," you are flushing.

All the Paleo references to inflammation I can find are like this:

"Chronic low-grade inflammation is at the root of all of these pathophysiologic pathways. The Paleo Diet fights against inflammation because emphasizes a proper omega6/omega3 fatty acid ratio, and it avoids immunostimulant substances such as wheat germ agglutinin, and other lectins."

http://thepaleodiet.com/The_Paleo_Diet_and_Depression.htm

Just repeating inflammation and throwing in a word that seems like it might not be real like immunostimulant.

I'm really curious if inflammation is given a stronger definition in one of Cordain's books.

xpost dude i'm pretty sure that sugar, lemon juice & cayenne dont contain an impressive combo of essential nutrients but i may be wrong

xpost: some drink the tea. some don't. It depends on how strongly you react to the daily "saltwater flush." In my case, I reacted very strongly, so I didn't feel it necessary to drink the tea.

This should probably be moved to the MC thread I linked to in my first post.

but you're not absorbing the nutrients if the diuretic is making you piss them all out every 5 min.

xxp: you're forgetting raw maple syrup, which actually contains the bulk of vitamins & minerals you need for daily sustenance.

xp: that is why you do the flushing part at night or in the morning.

cutty do you take vitamins/supplements or find that you don't need them

cutty can u hear me cutty can u feel me

cutty can u feed me

gbx i'll look in the paleo book for more inflammation info. lowering the 6:3 ratio is the main goal, i think.

i take a multi vitamin, magnesium, glutamine, and fish oil

and btw i love eating. whole, natural, unprocessed foods. i love me some fucking vegatables.

i like eating too

co fkn sign

how many of you DON'T have a bowl filled with fruit at all times in your apartment?

i feel sorry for you

flies

i have fruit! i love veg too. it's just that i also love salt, sugar, grains, fatty meat etc

i don't have a bowl i just line it up on the counter :))))

btw, i want all of you to know i am not pushing paleo as the WAY. it's just my way, and it works for me.

Juicy burgers, greasy fries,
Turkey legs and raw fish eyes
Teenage girls, with ketchup too!

if you stick with natural, unprocessed foods, you are already doing better than most

No bowl, but I have grapes & sliced apples in the fridge and bananas on the counter. Plus a bag of baby carrots and some kale. I need to shop.

yeah, i'd be curious to read it, just from a nerd-y med student pov. cause, as it is, the bit milo cited doesn't make any sense whatsoever

also i think immunology is dope, so

xp 2 cuddy

btw did u guys know yr digestive tract has its own, separate nervous system???

no!

had to start keeping fruit in fridge bc the fruit flies were nuts (i swear i clean my kitchen a lot! they just appeared out of nowhere!). it's bad for bananas :(

and tomatoes :(

time flies like an arrow

fruit flies like a banana

So far we're fly-free at my house! My fruit bowl is full of limes, however, far more than things flies like, like peaches and bananas.

somehow i have not seen many flies for the past month or so. i think i have tamed them.

The enteric nervous system has been described as a "second brain".[8] There are several reasons for this. The enteric nervous system can operate autonomously. It normally communicates with the CNS through the parasympathetic (eg, via the vagus nerve) and sympathetic (eg, via the prevertebral ganglia) nervous systems. However, vertebrate studies show that when the vagus nerve is severed, the enteric nervous system continues to function.
In vertebrates the enteric nervous system includes efferent neurons, afferent neurons, and interneurons, all of which make the enteric nervous system capable of carrying reflexes and acting as an integrating center in the absence of CNS input. The sensory neurons report on mechanical and chemical conditions. Through intestinal muscles, the motor neurons control peristalsis and churning of intestinal contents. Other neurons control the secretion of enzymes. The enteric nervous system also makes use of more than 30 neurotransmitters, most of which are identical to the ones found in CNS, such as acetylcholine, dopamine, and serotonin. The enteric nervous system has the capacity to alter its response depending on such factors as bulk and nutrient composition. In addition, ENS contains support cells which are similar to astroglia of the brain and a diffusion barrier around the capillaries surrounding ganglia which is similar to the blood-brain barrier of cerebral blood vessels.[9]

i need to buy some fruit

Nice to have a nutrition nazi around.

The paleo people are right about refined foods creating an epidemic of metabolic syndrome, the vegan people are right about sat fats and animal protein causing most vascular disease and cancer. There's a happy intersection in fruits, nuts, veggies, and whole grains, though.

I've been on a health kick for, 9 months now, quitting smoking, losing 50 lbs, re-reading Wolford (calorie restriction), Cordain (paleo), the Wilcox's (okinawa (cr w/o spreadsheets)), Campbell and Essyltyn (vegan). There's a different diet for every objective, but the consensus is low-fat vegan with a focus on low glycemic-load (nothing refined) and omega-3s among the EFAs (nuts and algae) is pretty ideal for healthy life expectancy. Myself, I've more or less let my inner Nipponese come out: lotsa miso soup, wakame salads, and avocado brown-rice sushi rolls.

I found SusanV's Fat-Free Vegan Recipes to be fairly inspirational.

gbx, you probably understand Carcass lyrics, huh?

i like your style, derelict

Pill I don't get it!

salmon and steamed broccoli for dinner

xp - Carcass were a death metal band who cribbed their song titles & lyrics from medical textbooks. Example: "Lavaging Expectorate of Lysergide Composition"

i had salmon on a bed of kale/red quinoa dressed with homemade lemon vinaigrette the other night, iirc

xp ha, i figured it was something like that. there is also a grindcore band called the county medical examiners that is staffed mostly by actual pathologists

i thought it would be funny to name a band the valves of houston

cutty i am going to the grocery store in a minute, what do i get

i have been to okinawa and let me tell you there is nothing vegan or healthy about their diet (tho arguably the best beef and pork in the world) and people all live to be 100y/o there, it's a trip. they eat things like taco rice, bitter melon fried with spam and eggs, lot of pigs feet and fermented soy (tofu, miso, soy sauce, etc.)... not sure how healthy that stuff is.... i gained hella weight.

leafy greens, asparagus, brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots

apples, pears, bananas, oranges

tomatoes

cucumbers

some free range chicken breast

sweet potatoes/yams

brown rice or quinoa

almond milk

eggs

if you are into burgers, some lean patties

just ate some salmon!

good suggestions, imo

was only missing a few from my list!

cutty u season yr salmon w/anything?

i am worried that i'll get too much spoilable produce, tho, which always seems to happen.

then again, i need to start making lunch at home pronto, cuz it's getting $$$ and i don't get a lunch hour anymore anyway :(

some kinda oil/citrus, imo

Steve, according to the Wilcox's, the traditional Okanawan diet (pre-1960) still followed by some elders is the healthiest in the world. Its mostly sweet potatoes with soy, veggies, rice, and fish accompaniment. Younger Okinawans, like a lot of tropical islanders since WWII, have seen the Standard American Diet replace much of their traditional (and somewhat impoverished) diet, with the usual outcomes. Young Okinawan's have the highest rates of obesity and diabetes in Japan, wheras their centenarian elders had the lowest.

I grill my salmon on a cedar plank w/ English mustard & brown sugar. mmmmmmm...

i am also adding whole wheat sandwich bread and sprouts and coop deli meatz to my list

xp oh dang pill!!

http://gallery.me.com/mcutt/100015/dinner/web.jpg?ver=12530549820001

^^^ dinner

...aaaaaaand with that i'm off to the store

By the way, its pretty easy to make almond milk at home. Soak raw almonds overnight in water, then blend/puree with 3-4 cups water to every cup almonds. Some add sugar or other sweetener. Then squeeze through a cheesecloth to strain out the fibrous bits (this is actually the most difficult bit).

my salmon was with dill and olive oil and s/p/21 seasoning salute. but mostly dill. love dill. i left my yogurt/cucumber/tomato sauce at home by accident :(

or just buy it 3 for $5 at fairway

(the almond milk)

u drink it str8 or does it sub as an ingredient?

Either. Its the emulsified fats that give dairy milk its characteristic mouthfeel, and there's not much sweetness, so you can pretty much sub any nut milk (or soy milk) in recipes - EXCEPT baking. Baking is less forgiving wrt sugar/protein/fat ratios, so you might consider consulting a vegan cookbook there.

base for my protein smoothies and in my cereal and oatmeal. drinking it straight works too, but i never drank milk straight.

anything on that broccoli or just steamed

steamed with a drizzle of olive oil and a squirt of lemon

are those ur dinner sandals

that fish looks good

Broccoli needs garlic. :) Otherwise, Would Dine!

nice flip flops Fred.

;-P

i'm naked except for flip flops

Cutty why am I hungry all dang day

my guess: high metabolism!

or just high

^_^

I never get the munchies! Ever!

Also only riding 60/week and running maybe 15

how often do you eat?

no breakfast (working to change that), lunch at 1230, dinner at...7? 8?

that's why you are hungry all day

i seriously would collapse on the floor with 7-8 hours between meals

blowing my mind

don't even get me started on the no breakfast

i think we had a thread like this where people were forgetting to eat

"oops i forgot to eat"

i used to forget all the time but now if i don't eat on the reg i feel really dizzy/hungry!

I mean, hence the massive trip to the grocery store in the works

no breakfast is stupid for sure, but I need snack food
tips since I am in a lecture hall 8-5 basically

is it nutritionally better to eat naked: y/n?

I spend a decent amount of my day in a hypoglycemic stupor

larabars, nuts, fruit are all great snackers

larabars are basically nuts and fruit

love Lara bars. Should prob just order a flat of them.

gbx u can eat cashews btw; cutty gave us a go on tht one

u have connect for larabar hookup$

paleokits.com, btw

Seems like it would be easier (and far cheaper) to source the nuts and healthy jerky on your own, though.

cutty, what is your profession (or are you a student?) & how do you fit work into your cycling/food-preparation/thc-intake schedule?

oh yeah, paleokits is great for snacks.

i am a lawyer.

this morning woke up at 5AM. left at 5:30 to ride my bike for 2 hours. ate breakfast, showered, got stoned, rode my bike to work. as a lawyer.

i bring all my meals to work.

very impressive.

yeah but i spent all day talking to you guys so shows you what a great lawyer i am!

are these billable hrs?

what are you gonna do in the off season

btw i work for the city, so it's 9-5. that's why i'm able to be home and cook dinner at 6PM.

the off-season for me is like a week off the bike. i will get really drunk.

;)

getting a little off-topic here, but how do you maintain 25-30 mph avg in NYC?

prospect park or central park

ah-so

Aves if yr catching lights!

Cutty, what foods are high in calcium without being dairy-based?

Sardines. Eat them with the bones (or do fish just have cartilage? Can never remember)

mmmm sardines.

dark leafy greens

broccoli kale spinach

i eat sardines with bones and skin

cutty, should i be concerned about eating ice cream pretty much every day? it's a lower calorie kind and all but.. i reallllly have a sweet tooth. wondering if i should seriously try to cut back on the sugar. (i eat very healthy otherwise & don't need to lose weight at all)

<3 kale & spinach. brocc was ruined for me by eating it almost every night as a child.
where does chinese broccoli fit in?

cutty-inspired dinner :)
http://i27.tinypic.com/29gl84w.jpg

lol hueg. forgot how much i love sardines!

chinese broccoli works, that's my favorite of all the greens!

cutt do you ever go grocery shopping ON W33D

always

harbl that looks so amazing.

thanks cutty

oh great then we are the same page, brb

I thought you said you stopped using dope, cutty.

i just ate a dinner of beets, zucchini, fennel, spinach, sunflower seeds and lemon juice
was this a good dinner y/n

Missing rare filet drizzled with bacon grease.

needs some protein lechera

but besides that sounds great

i never stopped using dope and never well

*will

but i ate lots of eggs during the rest of the day, so i figured that i had had plenty
is this true y/n

i also ate some bbq potato chips for a snack :(

you DID say you stopped drinking and doing drugs
xpost

LIES. DONT LISTEN TO ANYTHING THIS DUDE SAYS!

weed is not a drug, it is a plant

processed into a drug.

crack is not a drug, it is a rock

weed is a drug, dope

Packing a bowl isn't really processing, per the Paleo Munchies book.

coca is not a drug, it is a leaf.

i mean i admire the way you eat and stuff--really!--but you're kind of fooling yourself. but i think you know that

"i admire the way you eat" == pick-up line for the new millenium

don't forget the "and stuff"--totally crucial

i will get really drunk.

To fit the whole paleo diet thing it should be beer. Beer far predates wine; and it was known and loved loooooong before distilled spirits were invented.

fooling myself about the weed?

it's my medicine.

Cutty gets drunk on mead.

i would think fermented grapes is more paleo, no?

will probably drink guinness mostly

More neolithic, post-agricultural decadence.

granola
string cheese (snax, stfu)
salmon filet
bananas
apples
PURPLE cauliflower wtf
ginger root
garlic
crimini shrooms
bell pepper, orange
pepper, hot
alfalfa sprouts
tempeh
alfalfa
eggs

that's all i could fit in my mess bag---going to the store across the street for wheat bread and deli meats for sandwiches

oh, and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Brassica_romanesco.jpg

see that just looks good for you

dude just L@@K at it

shapes upon nutritious shapes

no fucking clue how to even break it down with a knife, let along cook it (steamed or braised, i'm guessing)

it's too pretty to eat

That looks like something I would see on a large dose of mushrooms.

Ahhh, broccoflower! So fractal, innit amazing?

it called to me

awesome!

they also have orange cauliflower that looks like it's been rolled in cheeto dust or something.

if u put orange and purple together it would be clemsonflower.

I couldnt eat one either I dont think, I'd just stare at it for hours.

will give a full report once ated

cutty how does yr diet accord with that of yr peers and rivals? are you a nazi among nazis, or are guys scarfing nachos at the starting line

don't you miss nachos?

it's called romanesco cauliflower, i've had it, it's very good with pasta & tomatoes. i think i prefer the purple kind, i think i had the orange lind once, it was the same as the purple. all are more tender and a little more flavorful than the ol' white variety.

i know that it is called romanesco, how do you think i found the wikipedia.org dot jpg

what do you suggest prep-wise for the fractal plant?? like do i cut out each little bud, or is there some algorithm i can apply that will make the cauliflower recursively dice itself?

I would steam the fucker.

at minimum add salt and pepper + oil or maybe butter (lol not paleo)

I bought a soyabella to make soy milk, but I hated the taste, but it makes the best nut milks without having to use any strainer. I have made raw hemp, almond, and cashew milk in it and a cooked peanut milk in it and they all came out perfect. I think I paid 89 to 99 for it shipped on ebay, but it more than paid for itself in the ladt ear or so.

http://www.soyabella.com/recipes/rawmilks/index.php

this is the recipe i use, not very cuttyesque tho. you could cook it w/o pasta & cheese i guess.i break apart the florets by hand

Penne With Cauliflower

Yield: Serves 6

Ingredients:
1/2 cup extra-virgin olive oil
1 garlic clove, crushed

2 pounds tomatoes, peeled, seeded and chopped, or 4 cups canned whole tomatoes, drained and chopped

1 medium cauliflower, broken into bite-sized florets

salt, to taste

1 pound penne

1/2 cup finely chopped flat-leaf parsley

freshly ground black pepper, to taste

freshly grated pecorino or Parmigiano-Reggiano, to taste

In a saucepan over medium heat, warm the olive oil and add the garlic clove. Cook briefly until the garlic starts to soften and turn color. (Do not let the garlic brown because it will give an acrid taste to the sauce.)

Add the tomatoes and cook, stirring, until the tomato pieces begin to soften. Now add the cauliflower florets and stir to mix well. Add about 1/2 cup of very hot water, cover the pan, lower the heat to medium low, and cook gently for about 30 minutes or until the cauliflower is tender.

Meanwhile, bring a large pan of salted water to a rolling boil and add the penne, timing the pasta to finish cooking at the same time as the cauliflower. It should take no more than 8 or 10 minutes to cook.

As soon as the penne is done, drain it and add to the pan with the cauliflower. Sprinkle with parsley, plenty of black pepper, and grated cheese, to taste. Serve immediately.

Per serving: 502 calories, 14 grams protein, 20 grams fat, 3 grams saturated fat, 68 grams carbohydrate, 8 grams fiber, 0 milligrams cholesterol, 41 milligrams sodium

lol fractal-shaped foods diet can only end in death. but i guess everything does.
i wld go for paleo-fibonacci eating.
mostly tho i am starting to hate sugar and chocolate and wheat and nuts (unshelled=covered in sulfites=the pain) and any beer other than a proper micro-brewed palest lager (non-existent in QC) for fucking up my guts and my skin. the beer part is the saddest. and the hurtingest.
i need more vegetables.

does a cutty eat mushrooms?

cutty how do i figure out how many calories i'm supposed to eat in a day

cutty which fish are high in mercury? I live in a port city so it's pretty easy/not too expensive for me to pig out on sashimi. but I'm always paranoid about mercury. is it true farmed salmon contains no mercury? how about yellowtail? squid? shrimp?

also do brazil nuts & selenium really help you remove mercury or is that a myth

cutty can you elaborate further on why soy is not good for you

Please let him not say like my mom's dietician "It's CHEESE, DO NOT EAT IT!"

dyao: http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp

** Farmed Salmon may contain PCB's, chemicals with serious long-term health effects.

do you eat pasta?

WHY SOY IS BAD FOR YOU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZs0DGW1Jk

does a cutty eat mushrooms?

yes

cutty how do i figure out how many calories i'm supposed to eat in a day

male or female? 1800-2400 calories if you aren't exercising.

farmed salmon has less mercury but it's omega-6's are through the roof without much omega-3's. stay away from farmed fish.

i think mackerel and tuna are the highest mercury threats. sardines, on the other hand are very low in mercury and heavy metals as they are low on the food chain.

not sure about the brazil nuts and selenium, that is interesting

That Mercola guy seems like a bit of a crank TBH:

Mercola criticizes many of the practices of mainstream medicine and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), particularly vaccination and the use of prescription drugs and surgery to treat diseases.[2] He is a member of the politically conservative Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, as well as several alternative medicine-related organizations.[3]

Mercola has received two warnings from the FDA for marketing nutritional products in a manner which violated the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.[4][5] A 2006 BusinessWeek editorial criticized Mercola's marketing practices as "relying on slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

Yeah, I don't know about that guy.

I used to work for this guy and think that he's pretty great. ED&bH is a great book btw.

cutty what do you think of the "raw food" craze?

yeah i am not sure i trust that mercola guy on the important matter of soy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLBT2U4BtY

^ 'Why Is Society Being Dumbed Down?' - puts forward some shaky theory that the government encourages a poor diet in order to make people less intelligent and therefore more controllable

haha yeah he is nuts, but he's not the only one who thinks soy is bad for you. he's OTM about soy.

i was just looking for an easy explanation in video form, i don't follow that guy or anything

I'm not sure who I trust on the whole soy issue tbh. Everyone seems to be pushing some sort of agenda.

don't forget Soy is making kids 'gay'

Cutty, talk about your diet when you get a cold. Also, do back off on the training when you feel you've got a cold starting or do you stop or what?

cutty, do you eat anything before exercising in the morning? i have trouble with this

cutty i have enjoyed this thread. you are a gentleman and a scholar.

i'm gonna buy some more sardines because of cutty

lewis black feels that soy milk is more accurately called "soy juice" and i agree with him

Cutty, talk about your diet when you get a cold. Also, do back off on the training when you feel you've got a cold starting or do you stop or what?

i'll try to eat more when i have a cold, load up on vitamin C, keep the protein coming. generally, i train unless the cold is really severe. the accepted notion is if the malaise is above the neck and your body feels ok, you can workout. just watch the higher intensit workouts. sometimes working out makes you feel better, even.

it's assumed endurance athletes don't get colds, but IMHO we are more susceptible to colds sometimes as our immune systens are all over the place, especially after working out.

cutty, do you eat anything before exercising in the morning? i have trouble with this

not during the week. i'll have water and a cup of coffee. an hour into the workout i'll have some sports drink if the workout is intense. generally, i believe you can workout ~2 hours without eating beforehand if you are moderately fit and used to morning workouts.

cutty i have enjoyed this thread. you are a gentleman and a scholar.

thanks!

http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNF01SoyBeatrice.htm

this is not quite a diet question, but how long does it take to get used to morning workouts? mine are not so intense, they're relatively short runs, but i still end up being really slow and getting more cramps in the morning...would this just go away over time?

this thread is no longer just about diets. it's about how insane i am.

xp ^^^^^ i have the same problem. extremely sluggish, stiff, crampy, and feel like i will pass out at the top of a hill (not surprising since i haven't eaten for 10+ hrs). i'm trying to get used to it but it's not working. running, not biking, btw

i think it's just a matter of getting into the swing of things with morning workouts. once you are in the pattern, it is very easy. are you drinking enough water when you wake up? maybe have an energy gel 10-15 minutes before you go out also.

i prefer to get the workout done in the morning. then i have nothing else to worry about all day. i don't like getting off of work and thinking like i still have stuff to do.

yeah, that's why i want to do it in the morning. i guess it's harder if you're doing it yourself too.

Do the calories in olive oil ever burn away? Sometimes the olive oil I use when stir frying becomes absorbed/burns away and I am afraid that the vegetables will get burnt so I add more olive oil. Should I add water instead or something else?

not a nutrition thing but olive oil is bad for stir frying because of its low smoke point. the flavor of it goes away above 200 or so too so there's no point! use vegetable oil. also the absorption may be because the oil is not hot enough? you really don't need that much.

yup same for me, harbl. i actually prefer running later in the day, it's more relaxing, but it's easier to schedule in the morning, and i feel better getting a shower in early.

i try to drink a glass of water in the morning before running, but i think it's a balance thing, too much results in bad cramps and not enough results in nausea...maybe it just takes some adjustment time. (xpost)

xp oh i am assuming you meant extra virgin, it has solids that burn at a pretty low temp. more refined olive oil has higher smoke point.

i use non-virgin olive oil for all my frying/sauteeing. the taste/smell of plain vegetable oil grosses me out

peanut oil is great

xp i use that or peanut oil, i don't know why i said vegetable oil tbh. seems more common i guess.

thx for the link about the fish harbl. I'm sad cause it's very hard to find wild caught pacific salmon here except in cans. almost all the sushi salmon is farmed Atlantic salmon from Norway. guess I'll try to develop a taste for octopus

but some tv "chef" uses extra virgin olive oil for stuff all the time. rachel ray probably? stupid.

lol at this:

The researchers' benefit-risk analysis showed that consumers should not eat farmed fish from Scotland, Norway and eastern Canada more than three times a year; farmed fish from Maine, western Canada and Washington state no more than three to six times a year; and farmed fish from Chile no more than about six times a year.

I eat Norwegian salmon maybe 4-6 times a week :o(

I'm using extra virgin olive oil, because I think I read in a Michael Pollan book that all other forms of oil were the devil. Please advise.

Mario Batali also seems to use extra virgin olive oil for everything and I trust that dude a lot more than Rachel Ray.

But yeah I don't have the money to do that nor do I want my Asian foodstuffs to taste Italian.

i use EV OO for everything

extra virgin tastes better but i dont think it has any particular nutritional benefits over other olive oil? and if yr heating it up that much, you prob cant taste the difference anyway

just sayin

cutty, I once deep fried a big mac and ate half of it. how long do I have left to live?

wha happen to my raw food question :(

It's all about sesame oil ppl

When making Asian-style, I add soy sauce and/or sesame oil. And sometimes oyster sauce. I need to get mirin and cooking sake as well. Sorry, I think I just veered away from the nutrition-intensive portion of this thread.

cutty what do you think of the "raw food" craze?

i don't think there is anything wrong with it. it makes sense. i don't live like that but i don't see anything negative about it. most likely you are getting more nutrients from raw vegetables because they are not exposed to heat. apparently there are benefits to lightly sauteeing spinach though?

Unfortunately for those who haven't paid attention over the past 10 years, the dietary science has moved on.

For most purposes, canola oil is healthier than any olive oil. Canola is high in omega 3 PUFAs and low in omega 6 PUFAs (associated with breast cancer in animal studies). Olive oil has almost no omega 3s, and impedes postprandial arterial function as much as fast food meals (See Vogel et al (2000)). The Lyon Diet study found canola rich diets reduced heart disease incidence by 70%. There's other interesting related facts, omega-3 rich walnuts increase postprandial arterial function significantly, and several Loma Linda studies have found regular tree-nut consumption worth about 1.75 years of avg. life expectancy (almost half the effect of non-smoking)

Flax oil is probably better than canola wrt omega-3s, but has a non-neutral taste, a low smoke point and goes rancid rapidly. So ideally, for strongly flavored vinagrettes, use flax or a mix of flax & EV OO (OO is high in monounsats, but thats seems to have less effect). For most cooking, use canola. If you're thinking of deep frying anything, no fat will help.

if yr thinking of deep frying, use lard

make sure your canola oil is non-GMO

besides that, derelict is OTM

cutty how do "energy gels" fit into your paleo lifestyle?

what's wrong with GMO?

what i mean to ask is, what is an energy gel? xp

i think GMO creates trans fats?

I'm not sure who I trust on the whole soy issue tbh. Everyone seems to be pushing some sort of agenda.

otm

energy gels fit in just fine.

i need fuel when working out. you are supposed to consume carbs during those times.

Just noticed am0n's post:

The essentials of the Paleolithic Diet are:

Eat none of the following:

· Grains- including bread, pasta, noodles

· Beans- including string beans, kidney beans, lentils, peanuts, snow-peas and peas

· Potatoes

· Dairy products

· Sugar

· Salt

so you don't eat any of those then cutty? what's the nutritional value of falafel and hummus (not necessarily combined) and yeah what is an energy gel?

i explained this already. there is the paleo diet. then there is the modified paleo diet for endurance athletes which makes exceptions for grains/potatoes/starchy carbs when you need fuel (pre-workout), or recovery (post-workout and a few hours after).

a energy gel is just easily consumed simple carbohydrate source. hammer nutrition or clif make good ones. i don't understand peoples fascination with energy gels.

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/paleo_books/forathletes.shtml

falafel is deep fried, man.

need i say more

I'm scottish!

cut me I bleed oil

(but yeah I hear that)

Baked felafel recipe

Does it taste as good? Of course not. We're hardwired to eat unhealthy shit. Like everything else, its a tradeoff, and if you've had to live with stroke victims for years, you'd know what wager to take.

you can bake it! xpost

personally i think raw food is generally tops (sushi for instance) although there are lots of places selling things like "raw cheesecake" that are essentially like three cups of cashews ground to a paste

i would like to elect derelict as my second in command nutrition nazi

I liked it when he said nipponese

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9674/wakame.jpg
Begs for tofu and wakame. Probably ninja trained. I sleep in fear.

what's the verdict on grapeseed oil

I kind of wish there was some strict paleo energy gel product, like a giant grub in a flashy silver pouch.

Total omega-3s per 100g:

Flaxseed oil 53.3 g
Walnut oil 10.4 g
Canola oil 9.1 g
Wheat germ oil 6.9 g
Soybean oil 3.8 g
Corn oil 1.2 g
Avocado oil 0.9 g
Sunflower oil 0.9 g
Olive oil 0.8 g
Grapeseed oil 0.1 g

From www.nutritiondata.com, which is an amazing resource.

i heard that olive oil is terrible for you if used in stir-frys as its properties change once it gets to a certain temperature, and that you should use sunflower oil... is this correct? I now only use olive oil on salads and seasonings.

this is not correct afaik

honestly, part of what's appealing about raw/paleo/related diets is that they involve way less prep time. basically everything is a salad or salad-like, so you don't have to spend a lot of time actually "cooking"

so thanks to this thread i am going from olive oil to canola oil, soymilk to almond milk, and peanut butter to almond butter (unless it tastes weird).

interesting regarding farmed fish--seems like the PCBs are stored in the fat portion and I tend to use 0 fat salmon patties so hopefully i'm ok.

i'm going to tentatively try the almond milk/butter thing. like i looooove soy milk w/granola for breakfast, so i'll be bummed if it tastes bad w/almonds

one question that's been bugging me is that are paleo diets necessarily low to zero fat? or is that just cause of cutty's modified exercise paleo diet. cause I can imagine cavemen really chowin down on some woolly mammoth.

also going to try to eat a fuck of a lot more spinach. maybe quinoa too if my rice cooker can figure it out.

the paleo diet is not a low-fat diet

most of yr lean proteins will have a little fat, and nuts have fat obv

quinoa cooks great in my rice cooker! i just use the brown rice setting.

interesting regarding farmed fish--seems like the PCBs are stored in the fat portion and I tend to use 0 fat salmon patties so hopefully i'm ok.

the farmed fish still has a fucked up omega 6:3 ratio.

xxxxxxp my husband switched out from soy to rice milk after he got the Fear about what soy was possibly doing (soy milk for breakfast, soy yoghurt for lunch, soy in the form of fake meat a few times a week). it tastes pretty bad, so i'll be interested to know how almond milk compares.

but he was also using the low fat soy before, which is pretty horrific too

do u need to change water proportions at all for the quinoa from brown rice?

mmm yeah the 6:3 ratio. but i need something that can be cooked from a frozen start cause i don't go through food that fast and have no desire to go to the grocery store more often. also $$$.

rice milk is nutritionally worthless iirc

There's two problems with farmed fish, 1) they have the usual problems of feedlot farms (disease, antibiotics, animal rights, environmental damage) and 2) since they eat corn, not algae (or smaller algae herbivores), they don't have high omega-3 EFAs, which is why they were supposed to be heathy in the first place. Wild Alaska Salmon (and Pollock) are both recognized sustainable fisheries, though with a price.

1 part quinoa to 2 parts water

almond butter is like $$$$$ though. i like peanut butter and it's not bad for you.

can u supplement yr diet w/omega 3s in any way given the protein, fat, taste, and convenience factors of salmon?

how do you guys feel about plastic - do you go for all glass food containers or do you not mind. also canned foods.

canned foods essentially gross me out but that is purely an aesthetic reaction.

rice milk is not useless because i think they add calcium and stuff. i'm going to stick w/ soy milk primarily though as soy is not a major source of protein for me otherwise (i eat tofu maybe 2x per month?). there is no need to be paranoid. hush.

I read that cans are lined with some kind of plastic liner which contains BPAs and that BPA levels in canned foods are through the roof

ive never eaten a sardine or anchovy

Walnuts are high in Omega 3 IIRC

x-posts

hey speaking of plastic containers and BPA did you guys know that sigg bottles, originally thought to contain NO BPA (which is why a lot of people, including me, switched to sigg from nalgene) do have BPA and if yours was made before august 2008 you can return it and get a free replacement until oct 31. you have to pay for the return postage though.

i just bought 6 cans of sardines ^_^

my friends use Klean Kanteen, I use one of the OG nalgene bottles made from HDPE and not polycarbonate

CAD: sure, there are fish oil supplements made from wild-caught herring and sardines. Best are the ones that also say "distilled" "molecularly distilled", which are even higher in the EFAs EPA and DHA, that are difficult to obtain from plant oils. There are also vegan DHA supplements made from algae, though they're expensive. If I were a pregnant vegan or raising vegan children, the 2 supplements I'd make sure to take are DHA and B-12.

do you eat the sardines head too

they come without heads, don't worry

harbl seal

what kind did you get harbl?

she got the headless brand

loving am0n's sardine trepidation

i would eat the head though, it would be fun
"brunswick" they were on sale w/ safeway club card

i had this can of sardines leftover from when i was into eating sardines and it was soooo0000oooo old. that's the one i ate last night. it was delicious.

pretty much the only canned food i eat is tuna and sardines

http://images.luckyvitamin.com/mgen/merchandizer:76462.jpg?is=400,400,0xffffff&cvt=jpg&tl=1
Looks like toothpaste. No eyes staring back you, you wretched cruel devourer.

yeah i'm kind of wary of tuna because of mercury so i haven't really eaten it in forever. sardines are a good replacement.

it would be cool to brush your teeth with anchovy paste

http://www.portuguesefood.co.uk/images/manapate4alumium.jpg

Sardine Pate.

http://www.inpraiseofsardines.com/blogs/2008/05/the-salmon-ques.html

what's the nazi line on egg yolk? high cholesterol (bad kind) innit, or is that like 80s food scare thinking

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/02/AR2009060200772.html

generally, i eat 1 whole egg with 2 egg whites

shouldn't have eggs more than 3x a week

http://www.qlfoods.com/p_or4.JPG

^^I love these things, although they're probably all sorts of bad

sea legs

xp me too!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SFyKCl3aQec/SFhzzFgIDvI/AAAAAAAABlU/NIbbyIp9nUw/s400/fried-dace-in-black-bean1.jpg

I love this too. how am I still alive

what is that???

Randy, Surimi/Kamaboko can be okay, as much of it is (or was) made from wild Alaska pollock. But just about anything else can also make it in, like unsustainable shark or cod.

ok, it's this. sounds greaaaaaat

In short, it's heart-disease in a can. In one meal, you get more salt than your body can safely digest in a month, a concentration of pollutants that can only come from a Chinese river, and several desert-spoons full of oil. It's a heart attack, ulcers and bowel cancer, all in one handy portable package.

staple of poor Chinese everywhere. get a can of fried dace with black beans from your Asian grocer for a $1.50, have it with white rice. you got yourself a meal! best part is, the bones are chewable and edible and won't get stuck in your craw. and fermented black beans are nom nom nom.

i have a jar of fermented black bean paste in my fridge! so salty

THIS is heart disease in a can:

http://nozama.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/30/pork_brains.jpg

Ewww.

Call 1-800-528-0849 for heart disease

I gotta say though, as someone who grew up on a Chinese diet (high oil, very high sodium, high protein, high preserved/fermented everything) I turned out okay

SATISFACTION GUARANTEED

Possibly useful in the event of a zombie outbreak.

i love the little "serving suggestion" tag
apparently means with a sprig of parsley

Most zombies, of course, will all die of cardiovascular events. Except these:

http://rlv.zcache.com/vegan_zombie_t_shirt-p235277748763681105qrdq_400.jpg

cutty what does your little book say/what are your thoughts on vegan zombies

book says too much grains

i think they are pictured w/ scrambled eggs. and a sprig of parsley.

it wasn't until a couple of years ago that i realized sardines don't all come in cans - i grill big ones in the summertime and they are A+ delish (protip: wrap them in green leaves on the grill so that you don't destroy the skin when taking them off)

^^ awesome

yeah whole foods sells nice big fresh ones

Derelict, that's good to know about surimi. I'm paranoid about the pulverization process introducing/intensifying contaminants or PCBs or whatever. but I'll happily cut down on the salmon sushi and eat more crab sticks.

derelict can you tell me a little about yourself, i haven't interacted with you on ILX before this

cutty what if i like ground the grains myself and used the flour that way, would it be healthier y/n

Mercury (etc) is simply a matter of how high up the food chain you're eating, and whitefish tends to be lower than tuna etc. The real problem is that there's just no telling of what kind of whitefish is in the mix, unless its labeled. Some is environmentally sustainable, harvested at a sustainable rate with low bycatch of dolphins (etc), a lot isn't. I suspect it was originally a market outlet for trash fish caught by Japanese factory ships and their 100 km long drift nets that were decimating the North Pacific. Don't know what the story is now.

lake trout

cutty when do you go to bed at night

Myself: grad school dropout, accidentally successful, in recovery, discovered where the old a.m.a crowd was hanging out a few years ago, lurked 3 years on ILM, recently got exasperated at my usual haunts so started posting. I'm not an athlete by any means, but don't mind exercise to an end (gardening, bicyling to the market). Tend to go OCD when a subject interests me. Oil depletion, rare-earth mining, interstellar migration, Mongol free-trade agreements, Oulipo authors, Cocteau Twin side-projects, etc. This year, it was nutrition, as last year a lot of hair turned grey.

i like to be in bed by 10-10:30 :/

the elusive 8 hours of sleep never happens, but i aim for it.

china has all the rare earths don't they

GBX: No, but 97% of current production. Theres a lot in Greenland, Canada, Australia, and the U.S., often associated with uranium and thorium deposits, but the Chinese undercut prices so exploration & production didn't have a viable return on investment.

hey i'm reading some stuff that says that fish oil is a bad way to get omega-3 and that flaxseed is the way to go. yr thoughts, dudes?

when will we mine the moon and asteroids, i wonder

speaking of which: cutty if someone asked you to be a spaceman, would you let yr dietary restrictions foul your chances for interstellar exploration?

i use both. but i do believe flax oil is better than flaxseed, even.

what do astronauts even eat these days? ice craem?

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/living/spacefood/index.html

Why do astronauts eat tortillas instead of bread?

Tex-Mex food tastes better.

Tortillas make great space frisbees.

Bread takes up too much room.

Tortillas don't crumble.

poll imo

SPACE FOOD

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/living/images/space_food.jpg

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-92/lores/s99-05103.jpg

orange drink

There are 3 omega-3 essential fatty acids (ALA, EPA, DHA). Flax has ALA, but little/no EPA or DHA. Your body can make EPA from ALA, but only makes DHA with low efficiency. Since DHA is vital to brain-development, and deficits seems to have a role in depression and schizophrenia, its important to get some in your food, especially for pregnant and breast-feeding mothers.

Flax has advantages over fish oil (low saturated fats), but you may still need a source of DHA. Fish themselves don't make DHA, they get it from algae in their diet. I've read suggestions that you can either supplement from fish, algal pills, or even spirulina drinks, or you can increase flax and replace common sunflower oil with olive oil (high monounsaturated fats don't compete with ALA for conversion to DHA).

Look, I'm one of the 1/3 of poll respondants who would be happy to take a trip to Mars, even if no provision was made for a return trip, dramatically reducing fuel payload requirements. I'd eat recycled sewage sludge for the chance.

i got some flaxseed flour what do you think about that? i haven't used it in anything yet.

today's sardines were even better than yesterday's

tehresa is that like, just flax seed ground up? cause i do that - grind it up in a coffee grinder - and sprinkle on my cereal. apparently it goes bad after a day though so you gotta grind it right then.

Refrigerate or freeze flaxseed meal - the oils do oxidize. Otherwise, its great stuff. Nutty flavor, the fiber is a gentle laxative & lowers cholesterol, the lignans block platelet activating factor & dampen overactive estrigen, the ALA reduces vascular endothelium inflamation. A lot of people add it to muffins (just as you would with all-bran cereal), or sprinkle it on breakfast cereal and salads. I add it to my homemade dogfood.

wait it's just falx meal, and yeah, ground up flax seed. but uh... it doesn't say anything about going bad? i imagine they wouldn't be able to sell it like that if it did, right? but the bag doesn't say anything about preservatives. only ingredient listed is ground flax seeds.

now i have to see if i can mix it with chickpea flour to bake something since i'm trying to avoid wheat flours. hmm.

I cycle 20 miles a day for my commute, what and when should I be eating?

maybe it's like whole wheat flour how you're supposed to use it within a few days but they don't tell you that on the package. i have never noticed a difference when it's mixed in and baked though.

oh i mean to comment on the sigg bottle thing--they swear up and down that their liner does not leech chemicals into liquids (unlike plastic bottles) but damned if i don't have my return labels ready to go. just need a box to come from amazon.

oh yeah so if i bought mine in the spring does that mean it is ok?

but maybe it was made before then? how can you tell?

xxp how do you get them to send a box? i got mine from amazon too.

does it have an expiration date on it? i bet it's fine.

you can tell like this:

old liner = shiny bronze/copper color
new liner = dull pale yellow/gold color.

oh and yeah they won't send you a box--i just have a bunch of textbooks on order and assume my bottle will fit in one of the boxes i get.

With regard to SIGG bottles, they say that if the inner liner has a bronze color, that its the earlier version that contains BPAs. The newer BPA-free liner is a very pale yellow.

My thought is that the condition that permits BPAs in polycarbonate and epoxy liners to leach is boiling for many minutes in a microwave. That, in fact, is how they test for BPA leaching, and a lot of BPA containing polymers don't leach much at all, even under more extreme conditions.. Sigg bottles aren't microwave safe, and usually aren't used for hot liquids. I through out my polycarbonate tumblers that I used for making tea, but I'm not too worried about the SIGGs. Yes, there are BPAs, but I'm a hell of a lot more worried about inhaling uranium/radon released as ash from coal-firing electricity plants. There's all sorts of nasty shit in the world, and you are being exposed to it, and the only way to keep sane is to establish a threshold of worry.

yeah sorry i was talking about the flax flour. mine is shiny bronze. i just need to go somewhere to print their dumb label someday before oct. 31.

(xp)

i'm not that worried either, but if they're going to replace my bottle for the cost of shipping i'm going to make them do it--basically idiot tax on them imo.

i really just want a new bottle because (1) i'm mad at them for misrepresenting, and (2) mine has dents in it

yup exactly

xpee

harbl - really no idea on the flax. I'm assuming its like any vegetable oil - unsaturated (healthy, liquid at room temperature) fats do go rancid), incidentally lard and shortening being more saturated can last years & years.

And yet you'll see every variety on the grocery shelf, even the odd ones (grapeseed, walnut, avocado) that can't have that much turnover. The idea is that with the expensive, rarely used oils you store in a cold dark place like a refrigerator, and the canola and olive you use fast enough that aging isn't an issue. I assume the same is true with high-oil content meals.

this is flax meal, not oil.

get yer flax straight

ok sell by date is 07/2010 and it says it's best to keep it in the refrigerator or freezer. is that after opening? cause if not, why would they sell it on the non-refrigerated shelf? just to put it with the other baking things?

The same issue applies. The main difference being that the meal has a much, much higher surface area than the top of the oil in a bottle, and each particle is hence more saturated with oxygen, and replenished when oxidation occurs. OTOH, there's a lot of vitamin E in flax which is precisely what organisms use to prevent free-radical oxidation.

my brain cannot retain all of this information guys
i just want to eat vegetables, exercise, and be healthy

That's a good plan!

http://nozama.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ed05fc288330120a574c8f0970b-800wi

still not clear on the concept of the fat time of day tbh

it's when you get that hollow feeling

http://www.bant-shirts.com/images/photos/live-fat-330.JPG

i often get a halal feeling

you've lost that hollow feeling

I, too, can GIS:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518GFNDB3PL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071228085126AAEso8U

snickers bars really satisfy that sugar craving

appestat*

Uncle Bill's Microwave Potato Chips

someone do a best nut poll

(cashews)

macadamia

pretty sure that poll already happened

I am a muslim ...
jus fiinkin da i wana eat food da is helthy and halal

almonds ppl

lonely guy jus fiinkin baout things

walnuts imo

love almonds

can't find a nuts poll fwiw

what nut

Poll: Nuts

lol

Poll: Nuts

oh shouldve searched plural, my bad

tehresa yeah it doesn't actually "go bad" it just doesn't have as much goody goodness inside i think

cutty awesome thread. i feel like ilx is making me way healthier.

exercise question- i think i stretch properly but whenever i go running i get absolutely horrible pains in my right shoulder and have to stop. no other pains, and have never knowingly hurt my upper body in the past. been travelling around for the past three weeks so I was 'resting' it but I tried going for a run today and I couldn't make it past 10 minutes. Any tips? Anyone gone through anything similar? Do I just go see my doctor?

cutty, can you recommend any delicious yet healthy salad dressings?

i think i've had that. like sharp pains? feels kind of like an air bubble? i don't know how i made it go away though. xpost

I have no idea what an air bubble feels like but these pains are totally sharp. Think I'm just going to book a doctors appointment; that or give up exercise.

I cycle 20 miles a day for my commute, what and when should I be eating?

i assume this takes you a little over an hour? do you generally eat before you leave? you should have some starchy carbs before and after. don't go nuts.

anyone see the HFCS propaganda commercials on TV?

omg those are insane!

cutty, can you recommend any delicious yet healthy salad dressings?

i stick with the EV OO and balsamic, or EV OO and red wine vinegar. i'm sure there are other healthy options, but IMHO salad dressing is for people who don't really like vegetables.

IT'S JUST CORN!!!

IMHO salad dressing is for people who don't really like vegetables.

totally

xxxxxxp oh i mean like sometimes if i eat greasy shit and then sit down for a while, i get this pain under my ribs when i inhale that feels like the shoulder pain, which i've had while running. air bubble. i think it has to do with breathing, like not standing up straight enough while running, but i'm not sure. it just went away.

sometimes u need a lil lubrication!

i like evoo, lemon, s&p and garlic. dill if u fancy.

^^i mean if my wife makes a dressing it's usually light like that sorta stuff. but if there's a choice, i don't take dressing with my salad

i put oil and vinegar on salad too. can also put things in the blender with dry mustard, garlic, or tahini if you really dont like vegetables

Cutty and ILX is so much fuxoring with my mind, I'm actually tempted to start eating healthier.Fuck all yall.

: )

cutty- how much sleep do you get? waking up at 5 to exercise would possibly kill me (/hyperbole).

can someone find a youtube of the HFCS propaganda? i haven't seen them and i want to

fuk this thread for making me feel even more emo than i already do.

I just can't get with the fitness program. I have two kids. That's my dialy (and nightly)exercise. Srsly: I think I burn tons of cals running and carrying'em.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEbRxTOyGf0

I don't want to ruin the moment:it's like she's burning holes in my teethies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVsgXPt564Q

Cutty, could you ever date a lady who didn't follow your whacky diet? What if she wanted you to take her to a fancy schmancy French restaurant for her birthday, what would you eat? A salad?

"fine in moderation"

See, that's what I meant in the previous thread. I once ate like Cutty. Very healthy living style.My doctor freaked out over my low cholest. saying he had never seen such a low nr. But I was single, I could do that shit. Now that I have two kids, household,... Life is way busier.

oh yeah i found it finally. how did she bring the popsicle to the park without it melting?

its made from corn, dude

bought it from an evil ice cream truck just off-camera

she bought it from the ice cream vendor obv.xpxp

Myth: High fructose corn syrup is high in fructose.

Reality: Contrary to its name, high fructose corn syrup is not high in fructose

i'm reasonably sympathetic to the argt that HFCS is no worse than regular sugar. the molecule is not uniquely evil, it's just in everything that you probably shouldn't eat.

i like evoo, lemon, s&p and garlic. dill if u fancy.

yes to all of these things. i put lemon on everything i think.

cutty- how much sleep do you get? waking up at 5 to exercise would possibly kill me (/hyperbole).

i average 7 hours of sleep a night. try to be in bed by 10-10:30.

Cutty, could you ever date a lady who didn't follow your whacky diet? What if she wanted you to take her to a fancy schmancy French restaurant for her birthday, what would you eat? A salad?

i said previously, the last girl i dated would get infuriated by me eating burgers without buns, not eating cheese, etc. but she understood and that was not a relationship ender by any means. obviously i'd rather date someone who is at least somewhat fitness-minded. i think i need someone who has the sickness--needing to exercise daily, etc. she's out there somewhere.

also, i'm not a complete fucking nazi, really. if i'm invited to a dinner party, yes, i drink wine, yes i'll eat whatever is there. but when i'm in control (95% of the time) i do things my way. a big part of living this lifestyle is planning and control. scheduling, timing.

yeah but they are forgetting to mention that table sugar is also bad. oopssss

cuttay - give us ur thoughts on honeeeeyyy

i said previously, the last girl i dated would get infuriated by me eating burgers without buns, not eating cheese, etc.

Sorry I did not have time to read all 300 posts since yesterday, I hope we can still be friends.

did you at least read my response about energy gels?

no honey. light agave nectar.

a big part of living this lifestyle is planning and control. scheduling, timing.

this is also ripe for discussion in this thread i think--part of the reason i can't stick to something nearly as much as i'd like is a spend a LOT of time away from home--plans, errands, just being busy. and i like that, i'm not a homebody by any stretch, but ultimately it means that only a couple nights per week can i really cook how i'd like to.

When I was living my "healthy lifestyle" I took my food with me. Yes, honestly.

Not to restaurants of course. I am not Madonna. hah

ian in those 300 posts cutty said it's ok to eat cashews; in fact I ate some earlier in celebration

ime it's easiest when you don't let yourself get hungry. i fail most at good eating when i get really hungry.

sometimes when i had both school and work i would "eat fresh" like jared fogel. it was sad ;_;

I really like wafu dressing as a healthy alternative to the usual balsamic/EVOO vinagrette:

1/2 c soy sauce (I use low sodium tamari here)
3/4 c rice vinegar
1/4 c sugar
1 tbsp sesame oil
1 tbsp sesame
a splash of water till not too tart/salty

Good on baby spinach alone. But if you like the taste of those seaweed salads at sushi restaurants, try it on a wakami/cucumber salad. Soak 6 tbsp of dried cut wakame (sold for about $1.60/bag as "Fueru Wakame" in Asian markets) in water, drain, rinse, drain, and mix with a razor sliced peeled cucumber. Drizzle wafu over, serves 4. All yer minerals and carrotenoids, filling, practically no calories.

er, the second "sesame" there should be "toasted sesame seeds". Also remarkably cheap at your local Asian market if you're in a large city with an Asian diaspora community.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=nutrition+nazi&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

lol