iPlayer? What's an iPlayer? ILX's top 50 TV shows of the 90s!

Ten a day now till Friday. Are you excited? I'm excited.

Apologies in advance for some shonky YouTube clips - in one case I couldn't find anything at all.

Coming up at number 50, a personal fave of mine that just managed to sneak in.

50 - The House of Cards Trilogy (BBC, 1990-95)
- 880 points, 6 votes

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/02/09/richardson460.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URhzMiBgQYs

woooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Anyone who's not seen House of Cards really must. So much fun. Richardson's Francis Urquhart is spellbinding, one of the best TV villains ever.

as long as keenan and kel makes this, i'll be happy

I really wish I had remembered to vote in this. I could have propelled TMWRNJ from 44 to 43 single-handedly.

49 - Fraiser (NBC, 1993-2004)
- 890 points, 7 votes

http://seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_dan/frasier.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbGk_7y-wFY

Sorry, misspelt Frasier there. Thank you tattoo man for setting me straight.

That's shockingly low for Frasier! All its best seasons were in the '90s too. Struggling to think of a better sitcom from the period.

48 - Vic Reeves Big Night Out (Channel 4, 1990-91)
- 900 points, 8 votes

http://www.channel4.com/assets/programmes/images/vic-reeves-big-night-out/vic-reeves-big-night-out-20090610150831_625x352.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVJv_muI_UA

xps. Nice Frasier clip. I always preferred Niles to Frasier until he went all mushy with Daphne.

Yeah, I was never a huge fan, but whenever I watched it it was obvious that Niles was the best.

if big night out is polling here, then all the others are going to be in, aren't they?

I haven't revisited Big Night Out since the 90s, but I find that clip hilarious. Might be time for a re-watch.

Bob at his best there.

"I have obtained an injunction from a Dutch court..."

I watched a couple of Big Nights Out recently and it felt really fresh and fun, not my fave Vic and Bob but def deserving of a vote.

47 - This Life (BBC, 1996-97)
- 920 points, 7 votes, 2 first place

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/tv/BBCKieronMcCarron_life460.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxqiJNkENek

Sorry to have to resort to a fan toss clip. Hard show to search for.

Soap for people who think they're above soaps.

I just couldn't watch it. I hated them all.

Soap for people who think they're above soaps

hello down there

i did hate This Life at first but soon got into it, well made blablah

i watched it at the time, but i was 16 and an idiot, and it really hasn't aged well.

Struggling to think of a better sitcom from the period.

I think that several people may rate a certain Irish sitcom rather higher.

I was sort of getting at the target audience I think but I don't really get was a This Life is for.

46 - G.B.H. (Channel 4, 1991)
- 990 points, 6 votes

http://mmimageslarge.moviemail-online.co.uk/17729_1-GBH.JPG

Couldn't find a YouTube clip that played in the UK.

I got love for Frasier but it's maybe too arch and frou-frou and sometimes downright not funny enough to inspire big big love.

Whereas I voted G.B.H. very high. I'm remembering it thru a haze of enchanting distance but to me this was Bleasdale's most accomplished work, plus stellar cast, plus Byzantine plotting, plus deep dissection of part of what the fuck was going wrong with the Left in the UK by 1990, plus awesome armchair psychology. So deep and rich and so much better than the highly enjoyable but lesser "it's grim up North in the 80s" drama that's no doubt placed higher.

I've never seen it. Sounds worth a t0rrent.

Derek Hatton recast as a Shakespearean tragic villain and that's just 1 plot-strand = The Bomb

I think that several people may rate a certain Irish sitcom rather higher.

Oh, it's as good, certainly. But there only 25 eps of that and I feel like I know them inside and out, whereas I think I could dip into Frasier repeats for the rest of time and catch something new (whether genuinely new or just forgotten). Still surprised at #49.

I think that several people may rate a certain Irish sitcom rather higher.

No, Bachelors Walk didn't start until 2001...

45 - Quantum Leap (NBC, 1989-93)
- 990 points, 10 votes, 1 first place

http://avanttrash.com/images/quantum-leap.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBwWAu2a5U

Dean Stockwell's shirts make this unmissable.

Dorkiest picture I could find.

Watching/listening to the theme tune gives me major flashbacks to the first years of secondary school.

Most of the shows on the list came under this category for me: I used to mildly enjoy it for a bit but then lost interest when it stopped being on at tea-time or something. This is why long-term plotlines annoy me.

In later series I swear they introduced an evil female time-travelling counterpart, but I seem to be the only person who remembers her.

44 - The Wonder Years (ABC, 1988-93)
- 1060 points, 7 votes

http://sidroy.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/wonderyears.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjTdXsIa1Yk

Just thinking about The Wonder Years makes me want to vomit.

My Dad loves this show.

If you knew my Dad that wd explain a lot.

And that was the moment I knew that the rest of my internet posts would never be somehow the same.

hope home improvement places

(cue Mamas and Papas song welling up on soundtrack)

(cue righteous indignation about The Wonder Years placing welling up in head)

Next one's more like it, promise.

haha Wonder Years was like the last show to just barely get the axe from my ballot, glad it appeared anyway. totally forgot to even think about Quantum Leap.

can't believe how low Frasier is considering all you Brits on the board talk about it like it's the best thing since sliced bread, but it's certainly about at where I'd place it overall.

I got love for Frasier but it's maybe too arch and frou-frou and sometimes downright not funny enough to inspire big big love.

When was the ski cabin episode filmed? That's possibly my favourite episode of any US sitcom ever.

Incidentally if The Fast Show places highly in this I will never trust anything any of you have to say on the subject of comedy ever again.

How many people voted btw?

49.

I don't think I placed Frasier at all and there is more than 1 US sitcom I placed v. high indeed.

And 218 shows got a nod.

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The kindest thing you cd say about the Fast Show is that it hasn't aged well. And the sketch with John Thomson as the rapey chef is all time. But otherwise totes agree with Matt.

ah now rowley birkin was good

Two first place votes for This Life! Fair play, though I didn't vote for it I never missed an episode way back when. I was really into it, so I can't moan.

The Fast Show was great. Had its share of misses of course, but less than you might expect.

lots of it was good is the thing

Rowley Birkin was 1 joke that wasn't funny to begin with. And Paul Whitehouse needs to take his attempts to inject pathos into the sketch show and stuff them right up his (drunken mumble argle bargle hahaha catchphrase)

Anyway I would imagine this will be a walk for Twin Peaks whatever happens, although I can't remember how much of the really good stuff happened in the 80s.

Ralph & Ted had tons of pathos IMO.

twin peaks was all 90s

Our Joel is heavily into Harry Enfield at the moment and he keeps making me watch old Harry/Paul stuff and 9 tenths of it is like Jesus what were they thinking what was I thinking was the whole country hammered thru the 90s?

I lie: I did vote for This Life, it seems. House of Cards, GBH, and Big Night Out are the others from my ballot that have appeared so far.

nothing off my ballot so far

Swear to God the last half dozen episodes of Fast Show were no jokes just characters looking sad at the camera while Charlie Higson held up a DO YOU SEE? sign behind them

43 - Batman: The Animated Series (Cartoon Network, 1992-95)
- 1070 points, 8 votes

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rHnMhHlnAbg/ShI_Kbsk9cI/AAAAAAAABrs/L3tnikZSsOc/s400/Batman_the_Animated_Series_logo.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEx9r5enZsk

And THAT'S what you call an opening sequence.

U_U

Rowley Birkin was ripped off a Phileas Fogg ad y'know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4WBjEXwABo

(0:30)

Got no sound on the computer here but i bet that ad's funnier than every Rowley Birkin sketch ever.

Batman -That was my number 2 show. It's really held up well - the aesthetic decision to set it in a no-man's land of time, with influences from all eras of the character, was a smart one.

That ad's pretty funny.

loooooooooooool@frasier tattoo. kinda disappointing tht each show isn't accompanied by a tattoo pic

Could probably find a Batman and a GBH. Impressed if somebody finds a Wonder Years tattoo. Impressed or depressed, anyway.

fuck haters, the Birkin sketch where he goes all sad and serious at the end is still gold

oh i'll still rep for birkin, and yep that one in partic.

42 - 120 Minutes (MTV, 1986-2000)
- 1110 points, 8 votes

http://www.paulking.nl/MTV/logo_120minutes_V12247.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkqVyeMZUIo

never liked the 'sad at the end' birkin sketch, but the one where he suddenly yelps "snake!" would still make me laugh today.

going to rep for the wonder years too. i was roughly kev arnold's age when it first ran, so it was key famiuly viewing at mine because i identified w/him, and my dad loved the music and was also hella sentimental. caught some episodes the other week by accident while staying at my brother's (he has sky) and while it was more mawkish than i'd remembered it, i do think the show was pretty good at capturing some of the confusion of adolescence. though it was a little smug about it.

I know 120 Minutes ran for the whole decade, but I never watched it post-'91. It is 80s TV in my mind.

120 mins was on (iirc) from 12-2 which was past my bedtime in HS so I used to sneak downstairs and watch it while my parents slept. <3 <3 <3 I have v fond memories of this show as a result.

I very clearly remember seeing the video for "Just like Heaven" on 120 mins when I was about 12 or 13 and thinking it was the best song I'd ever heard. I bought my first Cure CD the next day.

The first of my nominees! I started watching 120 Minutes when I lived on a Navy base in 9th grade (prolly, like, 120 minutes away from anything that might be considered civilization). So I was stranded in this weird oasis with no one else my age and living in southern Indiana and feeling like an outcast in a new school and having nothing to really connect with. I stumbled upon late night MTV programming and I remember seeing The Sundays' 'Here's Where The Story Ends' for the first time on 120 Minutes, and I was totally sold. Those early '90s years when the show was very Brit-heavy were a revelation and an amazing introduction to music I may never have discovered otherwise.

'00s poll : '90s poll :: "I really liked this show!" : "This show changed my life!!!"

Those early '90s years when the show was very Brit-heavy

Yeah, exactly. This is probably to blame for my <3 of brit pop even to this day.

sad that 120 Minutes is in this but Party Zone won't be

Whereas I think being in Britain at the time accounts for my hatred of Britpop even to this day.

lol

Party Zone? Never heard of it. Care to elaborate?

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I think it was this show where you could phone up ladies in their underwear and if you paid them money they would do a little dance and take their bra off.

That reminds me: no one remembered to nominate MTV Grind. That was a fucking funny show.

So kinda like The View?

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I know 120 Minutes ran for the whole decade, but I never watched it post-'91. It is 80s TV in my mind.

that's why i didn't vote for it, my personal associations with it are mostly late '80s, even though i probably watched it into '91 or '92.

i did vote for house of cards despite only having seen the first series. i've been meaning to watch the rest, the first one was good.

I think that is an age thing. I turned 18 in '90, and just wasn't around to see 120 Minutes anymore.

oops, i take that back. i didn't vote for house of cards, it just got bumped off my list. still. need to see the rest of it.

You should, all the series are quality. The second has a fantastic turn from Michael Kitchen as King Charles and is probably my favourite.

41 - The Maxx (MTV, 1995)
- 1200 points, 8 votes

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/uploads//2009/06/maxx.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOerAhqGv4

And that's your lot for today.

The second show from my ballot; really odd, really poignant. Am very excited MTV is making this available as a burn-to-order DVD through Amazon.

Party Zone? Never heard of it. Care to elaborate?

it was basically 120 Minutes but for dance music (at least the kind that didn't end up getting played on the Euro editions of 120M in the 90s) - airing on MTV Europe for nearly 10 years. mainly just videos (often the first show to air them) but expanded to feature studio guests (from A Guy Called Gerald to Jean-Michel Jarre) each week, live performances, reports from festivals etc.

I loved The Maxx but would rather see Liquid Television on here

recently waded thru huge playlists of old MTV shit on YouTube and discovered Stevie Washington The Angry Youth for the first time - nutso

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Huh. Sounds kinda like Amp. Although I guess it was probably pre-Amp (lol).

Party Zone sounds cool. I don't think the USA had an analogous show, unfortunately - at least not in the same time frame.

About Amp, MTV's dance show. It was pretty rad, really. I nommed it but I didn't vote for it.

omg - i missed the Maxx on my ballot! oh well.

http://seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_dan/frasier.jpg

Kelsey Grammer looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets

hahahahaha

I didn't put my votes in, because I am an idiot. GBH, Frasier and This Life would have been top ten.

You can write in a number one vote for Cracker for me.

OK, I'm gonna pretend you sent me a one-vote ballot for Cracker. That's still doable.

Cool, cheers :-)

i haven't gone back and rewatched the maxx and i'm not even sure i saw the entire series, i probably missed a few episodes. but it was really striking and there are things from it that have stuck with me ever since. none of the other allegedly "grown up" cartoons since have seemed as interesting or imaginative to me.

The Maxx was as faithful an adaptation as there ever was. Practically the comic pasted onto the screen.

You Brits can thank me for nominating G.B.H.. And you're welcome. Still haven't seen it and barely know what it is, but I'd heard enough good things about it that it's on my 'must see at some point' list. And I figured it deserved a nod.

So, yeah, tipsy: if you've never read the comics, hop to it! The cartoon encapsulates a relatively small bit of a much larger story.

The Maxx was as faithful an adaptation as there ever was. Practically the comic pasted onto the screen.

My brother hated this! He complained through the whole thing: "Why aren't I just reading a comic and listening to a crappy jazz CD?"

Yeah, to be honest, it's why I wasn't the hugest fan. I liked the comic bunches, but I didn't really feel like the cartoon brought a lot to the table. I can see where you might really dig it, though, if you weren't aware of/interested in the comic.

really like this list so far.

Goddam, I forgot to vote again. Curses! If Twin Peaks finishes in the top 5, I will nevertheless feel fairly represented.

Those early '90s years when the show was very Brit-heavy were a revelation and an amazing introduction to music I may never have discovered otherwise. - OTM! Like ENBB, I snuck downstairs on Sundays to watch this & paid the price may times over during Monday first period. The show lost me during the Pinfield era, as it progressively became nothing more than a rehash of the same alt-rock/nu-punk roster that MTV's main playlist consisted of.

"You're watching 120 Minutes on MTV. I'm your host, Dave Kendall, & here is the new one from The Judybats."

I missed the deadline as well. Initially I wasn't too keen on voting anyway, as my age means I'd be viewing a lot of this through the prism of youth/nostalgia over actual quality. However, an actual rundown of the shortlist I mocked up surprised me by mostly being shows of verifiable quality. Day Today and Buffy would have jostled for my top vote. I hope Sports Night is represented somewhere as well.

The show lost me during the Pinfield era

Yeah, but the early part of the 90s had plenty of pre-Pinfield greatness.

Judybats! Woooohooooo KNOXVILLE

Wow, Frasier scored low!

..I have the Fast show a high placing.

...

....Shall I get it? Shall I?

Like ENBB, I snuck downstairs on Sundays to watch this & paid the price may times over during Monday first period.

One of the (in retrospect) delightful things about the 120 Minutes airtime is that I pointedly didn't do this all that much. I often just taped it and watched it the next day, which means I have a ton of the stuff floating around somewhere on rapidly-degrading VHS tapes.

^ Oh but sneaking to watch it at midnight was 1/2 the fun.

The show lost me during the Pinfield era, as it progressively became nothing more than a rehash of the same alt-rock/nu-punk roster that MTV's main playlist consisted of.

Oh see I watched mainly the Pinfield stuff. I think I too young and not quite cool enough to know about it any earlier than that. At the time though I was pretty into the stuff you described so it was OK by me.

hope home improvement places

hope you're kidding

So... what is an iPlayer?

hulu for britishers

40 - Late Night With Conan O'Brien (NBC, 1993-2009)
- 1210 points, 8 votes

http://sharetv.org/images/late_night_with_conan_obrien-show.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5o8asX9wxA

too americans; didn't watch

problem with this poll was that i couldn't remember too many shows, and i'll no doubt be kicking myself as ones i should have remembered/voted for come up.

frasier deserved a higher placing, i think. yeah it's arch and frou-frou, but all sitcom characters have to have some basic charactersics to riff on. at least frasier's were different.

There were a few years that I watched Conan every night upon getting home from work. I can't remember many of the bits now though - the In the Year 2000 segment was great, in it's time. Was there a running gag about Preparation H? The Max Weinberg 7 were great. Kinda surprised that he placed this high.

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Like I said I like Frasier. It feels like a good winter show actually, would be nice to curl up with a bunch of eps + some booze about now. I was trying to account for why it doesn't inspire much devotion, seemingly.

39 - Animaniacs (Fox Kids, 1993-98)
- 1220 points, 12 votes

http://www.wavplanet.com/animaniacs.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ip4voSfrj4&feature=PlayList&p=0F374FAB428679F5&index=0&playnext=1

Tsk you kids

will never forget the one where they had to travel through the WB backlot to stop a rogue producer, with a jim morrison guy turning up to sing about where they were in the story.

What's next, Teletubbies?

"Isreal"?

iirc Yakko packed away the snacks while Bill Clinton played the sax

If Animaniacs placed this low, it probably signals that we haven't seen a critical re-appraisal of Might Morphin Power Rangers yet.

Anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYmcD2HLs8A

animaniacs :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd

if you didnt at least smile watching the nations of teh world clip then there is no hope for you

It's a lovely clip!

<3 that Conan got in, wasn't sure if I was throwing my vote away like w/ so many US late night talk shows in the 00s poll

There's no hope for me

There's no hope for me, and that's shit.

what TV show did you make in the 90s?

still, looking forward to turtles definitely placing now.

38 - Freaks and Geeks (NBC, 1999-2000)
- 1260 points, 8 votes

http://thecloggedbrain.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/freaks-n-geeks_l4.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ulr6K6qqlI

Hang on, is that a "if you didn't make a kids TV show in the 90s you can't criticise them at all" argument or do I misunderstand?

haha no, i just misread the context of your post, my bad

no probs. I remember quite liking Animaniacs but not that shit in the clip. Slappy Squirrel, Goodfeathers and Chicken Boo were good tho.

didnt vote for it because i placed it so in other poll

Anyway, this is gonna be one of those "I was already a grumpy old man in the 90s" vs "tsk you kids" kinda polls.

i already had this argument in the nominations thread, but i'll reiterate: Freaks & Geeks only aired 6 episodes in the '90s, and it did really well on the '00s poll, so there was absolutely no need to have it in this poll, and it probably bumped some great show that was on for a hundred episodes out of the list.

vs? aren't those things exactly the same grumps?

yeah but it meant today i saw haverchuck in drag and is thus worth making it

yeah but I guess I meant the second option to be "hi i was a kid and wd like to vote for whatever bollocks I dug when I was 12" kinda position

Freaks & Geeks only aired 6 episodes in the '90s, and it did really well on the '00s poll, so there was absolutely no need to have it in this poll, and it probably bumped some great show that was on for a hundred episodes out of the list.

I get what you're saying, but I couldn't have excluded it in good conscience. I think it garnered less votes than it would've if the 00s poll hadn't existed for the reasons you've pointed out.

if only we got rufus to vote in the 00s countdown :(

Animaniacs placed pretty much solely based on nostalgia. Not that I'm hatin', I'm just sayin'. It wasn't that good a show, and that '90s WB animation (also featured on Tiny Toon Adventures) was pretty abysmal. But then so was most animation in the '90s.

P.S. I hope X-Men is top ten.

also voted for x-men

ok your endorsement of X-Men was ironic right, talk about shows that haven't aged well

My endorsement of X-Men was only semi-ironic, in that I recognize that it's an endorsement based solely on nostalgia.

P.S. Did not vote for X-Men. ;_;

ok, because wanting X-Men to place over Batman TAS would be unconscionable

I am gonna breathe in deep and promise not to moan about kids' cartoons and fucking superheroes for the rest of the thread okay

I do want Suparmen TAS to place over Betmang TAS. How unconscionable is that shit?!

never saw the Superman show tbh, i guess it's at least in a similar league though

37 - Red Dwarf (BBC, 1988-99)
- 1340 points, 13 votes

http://topazbean.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/red-dwarf.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBmgZv6YAxE

Batman was good, but I felt like they kept improving the formula with each subsequent show. JLA was the bomb. And they're all really among some of the best cartoons/superhero entertainment ever.

It has aged really badly but I loved pretty much all of the first 6 series of Red Dwarf. These days I don't even pause as I pass it on my way through the cable channels but I think it deserves a place in the list.

Can't believe I didn't vote for Red Dwarf.

It went on too long, and it wasn't that good at the beginning, and it suffered from the danger of all SF crossover shows: over-pandering to the nerd audience. But there are 4 or 5 seasons in the middle which are basically the classic formula of all great UK sitcoms: group of losers trapped in claustrophobic circumstances zinging the fuck out of each other. When it was like that, it was golden.

yeha, red dwarf was nearly as good as the brittas empire. psyched for keeping up appearances now.

I'm fond of Red Dwarf. Looking back, a lot of the jokes are a bit crap, but the stories and characters hold up well for the most part. I think the first two series are the best though, which were both broadcast in the 80s. There was an interesting atmosphere of loneliness and claustrophobia which were overwhelmed by sci-fi goofiness later on.

psyched for keeping up appearances now.

darraghmac = quentin letts??

oh thanks a bunch, now i gotta get a new login.

Dude I expected more from you on Have I Got News for You last week. You coulda dropped a "Jol out", surely?

CLOSE IN ON THE BADGE I WAS WEARING /derren brown

I AM SCANNING iPLAYER RIGHT NOW

if i've wasted even 2 minutes of a fellow ilxor's time needlessly then it's been a good day

You lying git, it says "JAN MOIR WAS RIGHT"

no probs. I remember quite liking Animaniacs but not that shit in the clip. Slappy Squirrel, Goodfeathers and Chicken Boo were good tho.

I was recently disabused by the notion (implanted in my head by a friend from high school) that Slappy Squirrel was voiced by Kate Bush.

of the notion

xp look again. it's Ian moir

36 - Oz (HBO, 1997-2003)
- 1370 points, 9 votes

http://cosmodromemag.com/files/oz.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74A7kFuh48E

Didn't realise Oz ran for six seasons! Thought it was only two or three.

Oh yeah, NSFW clip, by the way.

Very happy to see both Animaniacs and Red Dwarf place; both hold up much better than I would have guessed at the time.

I'm kind of surprised at the Animaniacs hating - it was such a smart and joyous show, with touches of both the maliciousness and surreality of the classic Warner's stuff, as well as their topicality. Wasn't all gold by any means, but it hit the mark more often than not. For me, it was one of the now rare kid's shows that adults not only wouldn't tear their eyes out when it was on but would want to sit down and watch. I was 20 when it debuted, and caught it as often as I could.

35 - Daria (MTV, 1997-2002)
- 1390 points, 9 votes, 1 first place

http://angeitamoza.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/daria01.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY4cGKBr2Cs

Yeah, I never watched it either.

when did ILX TV polls jump the shark

When I started running them?

Daria is another case of 'every time i caught an episode i was surprised by how relatively good it was'

^this

34 - The Smell of Reeves and Mortimer (BBC, 1993-95)
- 1440 points, 9 votes, 1 first place

http://i8.tinypic.com/4xvh3sg.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMaEUv5n9wU

My favourite Vic & Bob series. I also have to post this clip, as it makes me unable to breathe from laughing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__MUf2Qv6_U

Way the best Vic and Bob series, therefore one of the best things ever made. I don't know how shunted they were into doing the relatively accessible Shooting Stars but it was a poor cousin to their freeform stuff when it was in full effect.

too British; did not laugh.

Somehow Vic and Bob's "impressions" always end up being truer than full-time impressionists' efforts, too.

If anyone can find a clip of that dog telling those stories that end with him saying "oh no, my wife's gonna kill me" in a cockney accent, I'll be eternally grateful if you link to it

Bob's Matthew Kelly is spot on.

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The dog was Greg something, love him so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yMrYke5v0

GREG MITCHELL HE RULE

Somebody should re-film the entire Only Fools and Horses just with Greg and his mates.

My hero!

Tragically I still say "My wife's going to kiiiiiiill me" all the time.

when did ILX TV polls jump the shark

C'mon, dude, I thought we'd all prepared ourselves for the fact that this poll was going to be pretty heavily tainted by nostalgia. I doubt there were very many of us who were old enough in the '90s to watch TV with a keen critical eye. Most of the stuff I voted for was stuff that I loved in high school. And mostly early high school, at that.

:)

Agree with the somewhere above comment re: Shooting Stars. Would rather see Vic & Bob back with one of their knockabout sketch shows. That Stars For Eyes skit had me falling about laughing.

anyway they jumped the shark at planet earth, everyone knows that.

i'm fully prepared for nostalgia- TMNT is a serious vote for me.

Bang Bang it's Reeves and Mortimer wasn't bad.

No that was great too but it was really Smell of under a different name and I kind of included it mentally in my vote for Smell of.

2 of my Top 10 are gone already then.

i'm fully prepared for nostalgia- TMNT is a serious vote for me.

I didn't vote for it, but I sure wouldn't cry if it placed.

Something tells me this poll is gonna get retarded pretty soon. In a good way.

Tragically I still say "My wife's going to kiiiiiiill me" all the time.

^^^this. And I don't even have a wife.

My votes were fairly evenly split between shows I genuinely think were great and nostalgia shows. Except Knightmare really was great - fvck the haters.

33 - Shooting Stars (BBC, 1993-present)
- 1480 points, 12 votes

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2008/07/15/shootingstars460.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OydP343QxxI&feature=PlayList&p=83FB7988C1E9D5D8&index=0&playnext=1

What are the odds, eh?

lol you boring gits

Wow in fact I never even placed SS and I voted for Smell of and Big Night Out. Not saying it wasn't often v. funny and all but still.

32 - The Adam & Joe Show (Channel 4, 1996-2001)
- 1490 points, 10 votes

http://www.channel4.com/assets/programmes/images/the-adam-and-joe-show/the-adam-and-joe-show_625x352.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og1fQyN1mmg

Just how did Joe Cornish get the gig of writing the Tintin movie for Spielberg?

the "tainted by nostalgia" crowd better be prepared to rattle off a long list of Good Serious Artistic Accomplishments in Television Sciences in the Nineteen Hundred and Nineties that didn't make the poll when this is all over.

I think the poll should be tainted by what people watched and liked in the 90s.

90% of the Brit stuff that's placed thus far is completely unknown to me. I'm contenting myself with the fact that Chip n' Dale's Rescue Rangers will inevitably take the top spot.

I doubt there were very many of us who were old enough in the '90s to watch TV with a keen critical eye.

I'm 45 and still waiting for this keen critical eye business to kick in (goes back to watching Hotel Babylon).

gotta be honest i think a keen critical eye would spoil 95% of TV. i can't watch sci-fi on tv, for instance, and i'm terrified it's gonna kick in for other shows soon.

this is why I'm down to just Lost, TCM and sports

31 - The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (NBC, 1990-96)
- 1540 points, 12 votes

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4JsxGTE76PA/SKXkL8w68BI/AAAAAAAAACs/KiRQhZ6ZqLA/s320/fresh+prince.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ1NA7Mgzgw

That's it from me, tune in same time tomorrow.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Okay, that's just kinda stupid. I really do think Home Improvement might place now.

Fresh Prince is straight-up "It beats staring at a wall" TV.

incredibly rong

will smith's pretty damn great on that show.

like s1-s3 has such good gags and will smith was genuinely charming imo!!!

plus, carlton's a good foil for him.

fresh prince is the best thing if you stop watching before the boring moral bits at the end. 'the boring moral bits at the end' is basically how I imagine every episode of the cosby show is btw.

Totally expected those last two entries to place much higher than they did, Adam & Joe have had a career renaissance in the UK of late and I thought the Fresh Prince would be one of those big unifying forces given that people on both sides of the Atlantic seem to remember it fondly.

ya, i'm thinking fresh prince took a hit b/c of how much of a d-bag will smith is now :/

also the last few seasons were uncalled for

I love in Arrested Development when little George Michael stays up, with a metal funnel on his head, to watch the debut of Oz on HBO.

I dunno. I mean, I used to watch Fresh Prince, but I also used to watch, like, Suddenly Susan during a time in life when I was seemingly completely devoid of critical faculties. Granted, I haven't watched it in a decade+, so I have no idea how it holds up.

Gave plentya points to A&J; love 'em, love 'em, love 'em. They're just naturally hilarious people, and they got on TV. And they had loads of great ideas! Fantastic stuff.

They repeated some of the early Fresh Princes on BBC2 about ten years ago, and they were pretty good. Nice loose performances, and surprisingly political - I mean it wasn't Do the Right Thing, but there was more of that kind of stuff than I remembered.

dug the occasional meta-joke on Fresh Prince.

i'm shocked how low OZ is. i know it also listed in the '00's poll - but most of it was in the 90's no?

i didn't vote for Oz or Freaks and Geeks, because i put them both very high on my 00-list. also thought Fresh Prince would place higher, i still catch reruns of it time to time and it's definitely a lot better than staring at a wall. the boring moral bits are no worse than the ones on Office US

Good to see Dave from Derek and Dave make an early appearance in that Smell Of opening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Rc5dNDB2M

also, didn't vote for F&G for the same reason as everyone else, although it's much better than anything that has polled so far imo.

i didn't vote in the 00's poll so i had no beefs putting F&Gs up there!

high points of SS for me:

last 30 seconds of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tTEPMQ1vNY

this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMPJZ4YZnqI

this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiZZ_Cv2J9Q

I have never even heard of most of the British stuff that's been listed so far.

Except for Red Dwarf, which was a guaranteed channel change for me after my mom stopped watching Are You Being Served or whatever on PBS.

I'd be interested to hear some more US reactions to the Reeves & Mortimer clips. I suspect their humour is very culturally specific.

i don't think it's just that it's culturally specific (although of course it's very, very british), it's also you have to have seen their shows from the start and know what vic and bob are like. not that they have a broad decade-long narrative, but i don't think clips work out of context.

that said, i totally lost my shit once typing "shooting stars" into youtube. two hours. gone.

SS is fine as it goes, but two hours of it... ?

Both of the clips for R&M didn't seem like anything other than regular ol' people bein' goofy (which can be fun), but maybe I am missing a bunch of British referential humor buried deep within.

I think it's more that we just find that kind of goofiness particularly funny - the second one is a parody of a show very few non-brits are likely to have seen, as well.

SS is fine as it goes, but two hours of it... ?

― DavidM, Tuesday, December 8, 2009 6:43 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was stuck in an airport and it had been a long day

WTF only 10 votes for Adam & Joe? It was brilliant! I remember the toy parody things being among the least good bits as well, but they seem to be all I can find on Youtube.

Adam & Joe would have had 11 votes had I actually got round to doing this.

FPoBA was a great, important show

I'm glad Adam and Joe got some recognition they have bought consistent lols for many years. Still do on BBC 6.

30 - Space Ghost Coast to Coast (Cartoon Network, 1994-2004)
- 1550 points, 13 votes, 1 first place

http://api.ning.com/files/DBuu8VM3qB-pmnca503jz7IXam6GHP7erH3wKtROUq8uTm7aUZX0JKYplXlXmeNC*5g9SIoQoC*cNf0KhxHMIFiKgIl-q*tL/SpaceGhost.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb5EbZIT0b4

I'd never seen this before I started looking at clips this morning. It's funny.

29 - Knowing Me Knowing You... with Alan Partridge (BBC, 1994-95)
- 1580 points, 11 votes

http://www.techdigest.tv/alan-partridge-twitter.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29SslXv_Ja8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzC2a0znVsc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT_W6FwN_hY
You cheeky monkey

oops, try again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT_W6FwN_hY

The last two entries are classic for all time.

28 - Friends (NBC, 1994-2004)
- 1620 points, 11 votes

http://nickbaines.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/friends.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRb92CDLlq0

No cries of outrage and disgust?

heh, from which side?

I'll rep for Friends to some extent, at its peak the writing was extremely tight, and it only became truly objectionable in the late 90s/00s. I gave it 30 points.

I'd say Friends' ranking is just about right, in that it didn't make my ballot but probably was floating somewhere just outside the top 25.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTYG84lpIQM&feature=related

2000s clip there, iirc

don't understand why some people reset their tv tastes/preferences along with Y2K bug.

Aww, Friends finished too low. I think most of the haterade this show gets is pretty knee-jerk. Yes, they're kinda lame people who get really excited about seeing Hootie & The Blowfish. But it's a good and funny show about lame people! C'mon!!! This is totally the show the Frasier fans described above: I would gladly sit and watch hours of Friends on a rainy Sunday. It's cozy.

I'm guessing that, because Space Ghost placed where it did, that Cartoon Planet isn't going to place at all. Which is a shame. CP is like the nutty cable access variety show the Space Ghost cast does on their off-hours to amuse themselves. Plus, CP has Brak, and lots of him! I love it a lot.

xp, that's the point of the decade poll.

but in the case of friends, it actually got a lot better around season 7 (first broadcast 2000), and then really hit its stride around 8/9/10. earlier seasons are not quite like blackadder 1 vs. blackadder 2/3/4 different, but they are significantly less funny.

27 - Roseanne (ABC, 1988-97)
- 1630 points, 13 votes, 1 first place

http://www.carseywerner.net/images/roseanne_cast_max.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdSeUeuoy9c

Awwwwwww part deux! Another low finish. Roseanne was probably the best traditional American sitcom of the '90s.

o but u are wrong about friends getting funnier, if anything it sags in the middle.

my point on the decades split was people not voting for something because they voted in another separate poll for it are kinda being a little silly.

xpost

(Although I realize now, saying that, that my ballot may contradict my statement...)

at the risk of being obvious roseanne hain't aged well.

I never particularly liked it, but only watched it a handful of times.

Though John Goodman is obviously great.

well if it was better you'd have watched it more, right?

Ha, guess so!

Roseanne is on every night on TV Land for like three hours straight. I usually fall asleep watching it. <3

o but u are wrong about friends getting funnier, if anything it sags in the middle.

yeah, but i'm talking about the last 3/4 seasons here.

my point on the decades split was people not voting for something because they voted in another separate poll for it are kinda being a little silly.

depends on the show and when the best parts aired really. I doubt anybody thought "I don't want to vote for the Simpsons again, I already voted for it in the 00s poll."

I dunno. It still had a lot of great gags up till the end, but the storylines were becoming stale and the characters increasingly 2-D and unlikeable (especially Skeletor-era Monica).

Having said that I'm pretty sure I've seen every episode, so I must actually like it.

xpost

i think of roseanne's heydey being 80s which is why i dont think it didn't do so hot here

I'm guessing that, because Space Ghost placed where it did, that Cartoon Planet isn't going to place at all. Which is a shame. CP is like the nutty cable access variety show the Space Ghost cast does on their off-hours to amuse themselves. Plus, CP has Brak, and lots of him! I love it a lot.

totally 4got abt cartoon planet, so goofy!

I doubt anybody thought "I don't want to vote for the Simpsons again, I already voted for it in the 00s poll."

pretty sure a lot of people have stated exactly this sentiment, tbh?

if anybody stands up and says they voted for Simpsons in the 00s poll and not this one and a hoy hoy and chap can verify it, I'll eat my hat.

(given that they voted in both polls, and that I buy a hat first)

eh i don't think i did this but couldn't, y'know, swear it. i'm almost certain i put simpson's into my 90's poll.

Hmmmm, hats
http://simpsons-scripts.wdfiles.com/local--files/start/homer-simpson

anyway, offering to eat your hat before you own a hat allows the escape route of buying an edible hat and i don't think it's a credible bargain tbh

fine, you pick the hat.

26 - Mystery Science Theater 3000 (Comedy Central, 1988-99)
- 1630 points, 9 votes

http://cinefantastiqueonline.com/wp-content/mst3k.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4_XZ3FLHw

that's one I expected to see a bit higher, maybe even top 10, but maybe some of the show's more fervent supporters didn't partake in the poll

I've never even heard of that, it looks great though.

http://www.thechallengersband.com/pics/My%20Pictures/coys/Coy%27s%20Big%20Hat%20Little%20Man.jpg

MST is a show i've heard so much about on ILX that it's on my to-do list for sure.

oh this has started! lots of shows i have forgotten but not many i actually voted for, not that i can remember exactly what i voted for as the hotmail dog ate my homework ;(

i do know that my number 1 was this life. i was superobsessed with this first time around to the extent that i made the daft decision to do law just to be like anna/milly/warren/miles et al. what a tit i was.

loving some of the clips here:) red dwarf!

eh, that's some dude's hat btw

Burt Reynolds: Ha-ha! Yeah, I found this backstage, an over-sized hat. It's funny.

Alex Trebek: No, it's not!

Burt Reynolds: Sure it is. It's funny. It's funny because it's ah, bigger than, ah.. [ clears throat ] ..you know, a normal hat.

MST is a show i've heard so much about on ILX that it's on my to-do list for sure.

― Louis Cll (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 14:45 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^this.

Quick halfway rundown before the next result:

50 - The House of Cards Trilogy
49 - Frasier
48 - Vic Reeves Big Night Out
47 - This Life
46 - Quantum Leap
45 - G.B.H.
44 - The Wonder Years
43 - Batman: The Animated Series
42 - 120 Minutes
41 - The Maxx
40 - Late Night with Conan O'Brien
39 - Animaniacs
38 - Freaks & Geeks
37 - Red Dwarf
36 - Oz
35 - Daria
34 - The Smell of Reeves & Mortimer
33 - Shooting Stars
32 - The Adam and Joe Show
31 - The Fresh Prince of Bell-Air
30 - Space Ghost Coast to Coast
29 - Knowing Me Knowing You... with Alan Partridge
28 - Friends
27 - Roseanne
26 - Mystery Science Theater 3000

that's not bad, really.

25 - Cracker (ITV, 1995-93)
- 1690 points, 11 votes, 1 first place

http://www.btvision.bt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cracker.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJEIC9YoII

Sorry, that should be 1993-95, obviously.

I've never really been able to get into MST3K. I appreciate its existence, but I just don't think it's a style of humor that appeals to me much.

one of the founding MST3K members does "rifftrax" now which is essentially the same thing except it sometimes appears as an mp3 that you sync with the movie. i've heard "reign of fire" which is outstanding.

http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/reign-fire

24 - Newsradio (NBC, 1995-99)
- 1780 points, 12 votes

http://ncjl.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/newsradio-1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO7EFfdX8Rs

Don't ask me.

excellent cast, maybe the best of the decade

and of course i forgot to vote for it :/

It's the only thing to place I'd never even heard of. Don't know if it was aired here.

huzzah @ that!

23 - My So-Called Life (ABC, 1994-95)
- 1790 points, 13 votes

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZzDlXECCndE/SSOQX0dyKuI/AAAAAAAAATc/9beNxAa39oY/s400/my+so+called+life.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Etd_CYI_k

Cracker is my favourite gritty UK drama ever but i guess i just caught it at the right time. several gobsmacking :o scenes and situations. i rewatched pretty much all of it a couple of years back (it was on Homehoice/Tiscali TV on demand) tho and McGovern (and later Paul Abbott)'s tendency to dip over the realism line so as to thrust his points and ideas in yer face often jarred...kinda like Russell T Davies bigger uglier brother in a way.

amazing cast tho

Okay. Now we're getting down to business.

Chap, you (and anyone else unfamiliar) should do yourself a favor and look into Newsradio. I'm actually a little shocked that it didn't make it across the pond, as it's funny in kind of an acultural way. Like, it's almost a farce a lot of the time (in kind of a Frasier vein). It's surprising that something like The Simpsons (that seems so dependent upon a knowledge of American culture) can get so huge in the UK while Newsradio doesn't make a dent.

And My So-Called Life...what can I say? It was like an extention of my high school life, this alternate universe that I'd watch after my real-life drama was done for the day. Loved it. And I watched some recently and it not only holds up but reveals a level of self-aware humor that completely slipped by me when I was as wrapped up in myself and my little life as the characters on the show were. Plus, it takes the award for Most Frustrating Ending EVER.

xp! Newsradio never aired here. tried to go back and watch it since people here kept raving about it but i couldn't get into it. i know i should like it, Phil Hartman, Dave Foley and a pretty Maura Tierney tells me so, but it mostly felt dated and predictable. only watched the first season tho, maybe it picked up speed after that

Animaniacs placed pretty much solely based on nostalgia. Not that I'm hatin', I'm just sayin'. It wasn't that good a show, and that '90s WB animation (also featured on Tiny Toon Adventures) was pretty abysmal. But then so was most animation in the '90s.

P.S. I hope X-Men is top ten.

― Pooping And Crying (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, December 8, 2009 1:50 PM (Yesterday)

not to jump on this so long afterwards, but i can say that this is def not true for me - its a pretty classic show, lots of really weird obscure old hollywood jokes. also pinky and the brain is fucking genius. i have the first 2 seasons on dvd and it still holds up (also, i grad from high school in 91 so it isnt a kiddie thing for me).

also very happy to see knowing me, knowing you and space ghost on here, which are both fantastic.

xpost newsradio is great too, and it def picks up after the first season - at times Phil Hartmans (sadfaceemoticon) greatest work tbh

22 - Spaced (Channel 4, 1999-2001)
- 1990 points, 15 votes

http://thetwocentscorp.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/spaced.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QGv4tYyb9s

i've seen maybe 3 mins of spaced in my life. another something i need to put right.

hmm, so far my 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, 9th, and 10th have placed. if my number 1 doesnt make it im going to be pissed.

btw, i didnt even see this had started until today because when scanning it as a lolmerican i just thought "iplayer? well, nothing for me in that thread"

Eh, sorry. Should've thought of that.

no people should be more open-minded! (jk)

Just curious, chap (as I don't think it's been mentioned): how many ballots did you receive in total?

Counting mine, an even 50.

Including one from a certain controversial former poster. Any guesses?

dom obv

Yep.

Hi Dom.

Dom will have voted for some very good things here, so yeah. Raises the chances of Father Ted winning and IAP finishing top-5.

belated xpost on friends, the first couple seasons of that show were really good. the writing was sharp, the ensemble was good and the characters' quirks hadn't yet devolved into the lazy shorthand gags they inevitably became later on. the ross-rachel storyline was well developed, and lisa kudrow took what could have been a one-note ditzy role and did a lot of very funny things with it. (and, to be fair, i was immediately postcollegiate when it started, so there was a definite "hey a show for us" thing when it started.)

when it started when it started

21 - Futurama (Fox, 1999-2003)
- 2010 points, 16 votes

http://thefilmwiz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/futurama.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8-_lXUlfE

hmph

no worse than including Spaced tho i guess

Things are probably going to kick off an hour or two later than usual tomorrow, gotta go and teach in the morning. See you then.

xpost - Futurama really hit the ground running, the first season is possibly the best. I voted for it.

Didn't ITV used to show Newsradio in the UK? I'm sure it used to be on in the post-midnight hours.

Starting to hope Day Today or Brass Eye will make the top 5...?

I'd be happy to see some Chris Morris stuff near the top of the poll, despite having barely scratched the surface of his work myself.

Day Today's a lock for top 5 surely, top 3 perhaps? Brass Eye, a bit lower I'd guess.

Depends how well known it is outside UK I suppose.

Not very well, I'd wager. I'm aware of its existence, but mostly because I actively seek out good British TV. I don't think any Chris Morris stuff has made it overseas, either on TV or on DVD. Although I may be mistaken.

Well, I have high hopes for my top 4 (which should be SO hard to guess) all finishing inside the top 10...in reality, Brass Eye and IAP might fall a little lower.

Father Ted will win this thing by a street. Jerry who?

It'll be a tug of war between FT and Seinfeld for the top two spot, prolly. Although I like the show fine (I do own the entire series), I don't see any reason why Seinfeld should finish top 5. The '90s were composed of better stuff.

would be very surprised if Father Ted or anything else beat The Simpsons. This would also be very stupid and wrong. So when's Ren & Stimpy btw?

oh wait damn forgot the simpsons

hmmmmmm

Samo's predos:
5. Seinfeld (but hoping Buffy instead)
4. Day Today
3. Father Ted
2. Twin Peaks
1. The Simpsons

The Simpsons should rate highly (perhaps even #1), but I can't help but wonder if its cachet was damaged by the last decade of 'meh'.

Father Ted will win this thing by a street. Jerry who?

Nah, suspect that Simpsons will probably edge it partly due to greater visibility. Top 5, Day Today, Twin Peaks, FT, Simpsons and one other which I haven't a clue. Ren and Stimpy? X-Files?

X-Files is another one that shouldn't place as highly as it probably will. Loved it back in the day, but I rewatched a large chunk of it a couple of years ago and it doesn't really hold up. It's not bad and it definitely has its moments, but it sure isn't great.

i would like to see I'm Alan Partridge in the top 5

Seeing everyone's predictions is fun. I'll buy a pint for the person who gets closest to the top 10, provided they live in or are prepared to come to London. Failing that I'll email them a picture of one.

i would like to see I'm Alan Partridge in the top 5

I would have thought it was at least as popular as Father Ted

IAP is the 90s UK comedy apex - love it a lot more than TDT and even Father Ted (tho the latter is a bit less painful)

I accurately predicted the top ten in the '00s poll...albeit out of order and a bit late in the game, after a good number of things had been eliminated. But still! I'll take a stab at predictions for the '90s, although all of these UK shows that I'm unaware/barely aware of are total wildcards. In no particular order:

Simpsons
Seinfeld
Father Ted
X-Files
Buffy
I'm Alan Partridge
Larry Sanders
Twin Peaks
The Day Today
Kids In The Hall

I may have mistakenly omitted Mr. Show or Brass Eye, but I guess we'll see, won't we!?!

swap father ted and seinfeld and that's pretty much the order i expect

also drop x-files a few places and bump the day today and twin peaks up

I feel fairly secure in predicting that the following will show up in the next set of ten: Ren & Stimpy, Homicide, ST:TNG.

Yeah, like I said, it was in no particular order, but your ordering seems pretty solid, LJ.

Never heard of Kids In The Hall, should I check it out?

OMG YES. Not only one of my favorite shows of the '90s, but seriously in my top 5 shows ever.

Canadian sketch comedy, FYI. But don't let the descriptors scare you off.

to Billy: O_O

Yeah, I want to give the benefit of the doubt because maybe Billy isn't somewhere in North America and I really have no idea what the impact of KITH is overseas, but I am kinda taken aback that there are still people who haven't even heard of the show. It's 20 years old now (another O_O for you).

Definitely semi-famous in the UK. I remember people talking about it at school and stuff. But it was shown quite late, so maybe someone a few years younger than me wouldn't know about it.

i had KITH explained to me by a Canadian former ilxor (possible lurker still) a few years ago but i've still only seen one of the films

There's plenty I haven't heard of in this poll. I probably know 90% of the British stuff and maybe 30% of the American / rest of the world stuff.

I'm aware of its existence but have never knowingly seen it (I'm mid-to-late 30s, UK-based, and mostly quite up on popular culture). Was it a late-night Channel 4 thing?

Yeah.

So far only two of my top 10 have placed (Adam & Joe, Knowing Me KY). I included Friends at no. 25 on my list as I have seen every episode multiple times (hard to avoid on E4) and I think there are some truly classic comedy episodes in there. It got better when they started acknowledging some of the characters as slightly twattish (ie Ross).

Re My So-Called Life - it's way more piss-takey of Angela (yet still empathetic) than I remembered, kind of viewed a lot from the parent's POV as well as Angela's. I love it though, despite several crappy filler episodes.

Anyway, holding high hopes for 3 of my top 5 to place.

KitH: Yeah, I definitely watched quite a few episodes. Certain it was on Ch4. Lots of Monty Python style joke cross-dressing, "I'm crushing your head" - something of a catchphrase between me and my mates at the time - Mr. Canoe Head... that's all I seem to remember really. It was good though.

xpost

Yeah, this is exactly what I was saying about My So-Called Life upthread. At the time, I was all, "This show totally gets what my life is like!". Seeing it recently, I was all, "This show totally got how ridiculous me and my life were like back then!". It walks a very fine line and it's super subtle about it. I think, at the core, it's just very honest, so the depth and the absurdity both shine simultaneously.

so maybe someone a few years younger than me wouldn't know about it.

Oh chap, you say the nicest things.

Whats this "the Day Today" thing that everyone's saying it'll top 5 place? Also lol @ Father Ted being #1, not likely. For better or worse my money's on Simpsons or Twin Peaks getting the gold.

Also, nice to see Futurama place, I wasnt expecting it to seeing as only S1 counted.

No Australian show placings though :(

And hurrah for Newsradio too, I voted that pretty high. Suprised it didnt show in the UK, it was primetime comedy in its day in Aus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv-LKUtiOxU

Whats this "the Day Today" thing that everyone's saying it'll top 5 place? Also lol @ Father Ted being #1, not likely. For better or worse my money's on Simpsons or Twin Peaks getting the gold.

for some reason ilx's Brit presence, and its cultural divide with the rest of the board, has seemed much more pronounced on the TV polls than it is with the film and music polls. the way some folks, lj especially, have been predicting things it's almost as if they think there were only UK voters in this thing.

Oh that thing. Bit like CNNNN/Have I got News for You/half a dozen other news satires (maybr it was first tho)

xpost lol, yeah I figured as much

that's because we are shit at film, shit at 00's TV and merely ok at music, but our 90's TV output has 3 or 4 gems which I will noisily back

obv simpsons and twin peaks gonna be all up in this top 5, maybe seinfeld too

No maybe about seinfeld I dont think! (in fact it may win)

you are shit at 00's TV, but still were pretty dominant in that poll

were we? if i'd voted i'd have only voted for like 2 uk shows. america has like the best 5 or 6 until you hit 'the thick of it'

forgot to vote but I really wish I had. was expecting Have I Got News For You to place due to british contingent but I'm not so sure now.

I dont recall seeing the 00's TV poll FWIW, where is the results?

Bit like CNNNN/Have I got News for You/half a dozen other news satires (maybr it was first tho)

Nothing like HIGNFY, except for being news related - it's painstakingly constructed skits rather than freewheeling riffs, and it satires the format and conventions of news programmes rather than topical stuff. Very beloved in this country, rightly so I think.

Trayce:

Unopened Boxsets that I liked the look of from the Pilot: The ILX Television 51 Show Countdown Extravaganza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and it satires

Gah, 'satirises'. 'Satires' isn't a word. I am tipsy.

satires is a word. its the plural for satire.

'Satires' isn't the past simple form of 'satirise' is what I meant, DAMMIT.

Probably time for bed.

3rd person present indicative

UK shit at 00s TV? what, is there no second prize?

'00s poll had 12 Brit shows, 8 of which showed up before the top 20. in this poll so far there's 11, so definitely going to be more in the '90s, but still a pretty significant chunk for the '00s.

i bet like uh france or japan is ahead of us in terms of 00's quality

We're less good at massively impressive multi-stranded dramas, which is what 00s telly has been about. Better at zany comedy, which is what 90s telly was about.

shit forgot to vote in this, the results so far are pretty much guaranteeing there won't be any nickelodeon shows thta place? what the hell guys

i bet like uh france or japan is ahead of us in terms of 00's quality

L. O. L.

Rugrats has to place, right?

poor k3vin k

Don't freak, Kev. Stimpy's right around the corner, I'm sure.

my younger brother was landed with 'pinky' as a nickname for 6 years of secondary education simnply because he sat next to a guy looked exactly like "the brain" on the first day of school. life lessons.

so, i kinda hope that shows up.

yeah Ren & Stimpy'll definitely make it, and I'm still pulling for The Adventures of Pete & Pete. what thread have you been reading, kells? this poll has had so many cartoons and kids' shows so far, if no Nickelodeon per se.

havent been reading it, that's the thing. just gonna be kinda disappointed if there's no classic nick shows, though, but i'm biased cuz that's what i grew up on

Loving the idea that two series as radically different as Friends and Spaced placed so high, where the attraction is purely about the tight writing and Swift-ian puns and not just because they was unfunny bollocks with characters that their respective audiences thought was role models.

yeah sure grandad ross was my role model. did you only get up to use the bathroom?

Dude I never named manes.

Still laugh at that ep where Raymond plays Crash Bandicoot cos he's missing Billie Piper tho.

we've all crashed after a little pipe in our time, right?

I don't want control of yeuch

I am drinking again
I'm on my seventh cold glass of gin

Life is a tribute to you
And so is dying
And drinking in this way
To die is what I'm trying
I also try to keep my looks
In case an angel loves me
And lifts me up with angel hooks
To someplace high above

all because Freinds charted in this list? chill, dude...

Friends doesn't bother me, it's some well-crafted shit that I never watch. I was just precising my last night commentalia.

MY GOD I'VE TIPPED HIM OVER TH'EDGE

COMING FOR YOU LETTS

noodle vaguely threatening

Ah I'm just worried that Inspector Morse isn't gonna make the cut.

Damn! I mis-read the closing date on this poll.

Oh well. My #1 was MST3K.

can't you do something? you're the president!

20 - The X-Files (Fox, 1993-2002)
-2040 points, 18 votes

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/images/2007/04/24/042407xfiles.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIJSQKS1R3Y

probably most dated/out of fashion show here. easy to forget how huge/popular it was for a while.

i think people will be shook it's that low

man those last few seasons tho... i don't think i could watch any of it ever again

I thought it was terrible at the time. Not giving a shit about either of the two main characters didn't help.

Cancer Man was my favourite TV villain until Ben Linus tho - and his final death scene has still probably not been matched for glorious OTT-ness

Quite liked it when they did monster of the week, no patience at all for the overarching alien conspiracy bullshit.

in a TV series at least xp

Quite liked it when they did monster of the week, no patience at all for the overarching alien conspiracy bullshit

other way round for me

i lost track of the show while at college because it was hard to see anything on Sky at that point. the video releases of the last 8 or so alien conspiracy episodes (up to Mulder's own abduction) ended up being the last VHS tapes i ever rented out, watched it all on a tiny TV at home over a weekend and it was strangely awesome.

also seemed like unprecedented production values for a US drama back then - looked and felt like a movie quite often. its success surely paved the way for subsequent big expensive dramas, even the non-sci-fi ones, so its an important TV milestone imo.

Wow! I thought for sure it'd end up in the top ten, but it ended up pretty much where it should have. As everyone says: dated, not as good as was once hyped, etc.

and his final death scene has still probably not been matched for glorious OTT-ness

^^^This. Rarely does filmed entertainment go to such lengths to declare, "Yes, this character is irrevocably deceased!"

Quite liked it when they did monster of the week, no patience at all for the overarching alien conspiracy bullshit.

I was way more into the bullshit at the time because I thought it was going somewhere. But at a certain point it became clear that they were making it up as they went along, and they weren't even doing that good a job of making it up. So upon rewatching the series, the standalone eps most definitely took the cake.

its worth going back and watching seasons 2-4 or 5. there was a really great run that just sort of collapsed under its on weight

Gonna go a bit faster today cos I started late.

19 - King of the Hill (Fox, 1997-2009)
- 2050 points, 15 votes

http://blog.media-freaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/free-online-virtual-worlds1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kl0qTY1oKI&NR=1

never 'got' it

It's good, but quite gentle. A very odd rhythm for a cartoon, certainly.

never got it either, despite giving it a decent amount of attention. too sympathetic to a demographic i ain't really interested in, sorry regular good ol' american suburban types.

again, as with Daria, was always pleasantly surprised by it when i did bother to watch

Yeah, there was a lot of subtle mockery of that demographic as well. As an inner city European I enjoyed it fine.

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Dale, Boomhauer and Bill - i probably would've watched it more if it had all been based around them.

it went till this year? really?

show is based on the area of dfw my wife is from, sort of a composite of the mid cities. also beavis and butthead's high school is named for the HS her father went to! mike judge totally stalking my wife.

a lot of the elemtnts are pretty spot-on, KOTH works because it straddles subtle mockery and sympathy for it subjects better than almost any other show i can think of imo

except for bill, he was always pretty fucking pitiful

18 - Mr. Show (HBO, 1995-98)
- 2090 points, 11 votes

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Mr_Show/mr._show_image_david_cross_and_bob_odenkirk.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-ZNX1jqbOk

Another one that I'm not sure made it across the pond. That clip is very funny.

that show never really clicked for me, although it showing up now at least assures me that it won't outrank Kids In The Hall, in which event I would've had to set fire to this place

mr show pretty hit or miss for, but it hits hard

*for me

17 - Northern Exposure (CBS, 1990-95)
- 2190 points, 13 votes, 2 first place

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1130536/photo_09_hires.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xgyn18E89s

The woman in this was fit.

Yeah. It was annoying when she got killed off at the start of Cliffhanger as well.

That was a different character.

King of the Hill was my number 2, could have been my number 1 on another day. Absolutely unparalleled in its depth and humanity imo. Sure the Simpsons is more iconic/quotable but King of the Hill is just an endless bathtub of delight and lols. Also Dale Gribble is one of the great villains in any medium, ever. SHIT IS REAL.

was going to say the thing i love about KOTH was that it almost need not be animated. i think of it in the same headspace as roseanne in the sense of "i know ppl like this!"

Yeah, I sometimes wonder what would be lost/gained by it being a live action sitcom. Of course mainly what you'd lose is Judge's beautiful art.

Best theme tune ever as well.

Everything seemed to take place in a warm sunset glow, which would be hard to achieve with live action. It would definitely have had quite a different atmosphere.

the geography of KOTH is rly important because so many of those kinds of suburbs in texas are kind of small town values but not the same degree of isolation or distance from city life/values, so you get lots of great conflict and lols from guest characters like bobby's eco-warrior history teacher (paul giamatti was the voice iirc) or the kind of namby-pamby soccer coach (will ferrell) or various bureacrats. there is kind of a simmering tension between those forces in a lot of episodes that can only come in the kind of suburb they live in.

Watched Northern Exposure almost religiously at the time. Have not been back since (not even for clip above), and not sure what I would make of it but imagine recoiling in horror.

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Yeah and I think the show almost always judges its level of didacticism perfectly - there are very few DO YOU SEE moments of the kind that ruined a lot of South Park (no matter how knowing that show tries to be about them).

16 - Beavis and Butt-head (MTV, 1993-97)
- 2240 points, 18 votes, 1 first place

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/TV/B/Beavis_and_Butthead/beavis_and_butthead_mtv.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19NRK8i63f0

Northern Exposure almost made my list, it was always fun and cosy when I bothered to watch it. But the 90s was the first decade of my life when I usually had another agenda than sitting in front of the telly so there aren't too many shows on the list where I wd actively make plans to watch them religiously.

I'm just worried that Inspector Morse isn't gonna make the cut.

^^^. Fat chance it'll be in the top 15.

Put KotH above Beavis and Butthead but fair enough, I guess.

If you don't dig B&B you're a buttmunch.

Altho their best work was ripping the piss out of music vids, obv.

heard a lot of songs for the first time thru B&B. not sure if any of them were actually good tho. "I Wish You Were A Beer" maybe...

"oh what's this? a tear, pantera?"

lol too good not to borrow

Daria >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B&Butthead

Because I love and respect you and enjoy laughing at yr Arsenal stanning I am forcing my hand away from the SB button.

My antipathy to B&B comes from it being the paired nickname of myself and another brother for the same 6 year period as mentioned above.

Were you Beavis or Butthead?

SB. sorry, tormented teen reflex.

Daria >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B&Butthead

this is true

xpost

lololololololol assmunch

MST3K not in the top 10 is a crime, but I didn't vote, so I'll shut up.

it's not lolololololol it huh huhuhuh huhuhuh eh hehehe ehehe

got into so many fights tbh

Oh, Beavis & Butthead. See, this is one that I didn't really appreciate at the time. I watched it sporadically, but I think I thought it was just stupid. I watched pretty much the entire series recently and realized, no, it's stupid and it's brilliant. It's almost zen-like in its utter commitment to the stupidity of its protagonists. It takes some keen focus and a level of purity to maintain that over the course of so many years.

B&B with Irish accents wd be kinda excellent tbh

15 - Ren and Stimpy (Nickolodeon, 1991-96)
- 2290 points, 18 votes

http://www.lysator.liu.se/~marcus/ren_stimpy/Ren_and_Stimpy-opening-3.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO-_n0NlmA

Something I never fully 'got'.

Personally I thought this got kinda old kinda quick but, y'know, off you go.

Put it like this, I would rather watch Tom and Jerry any time ever.

OTM.

by that measure, roadrunner destroys KOTH

what is wrong with u ppl tbh

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nah cos they two v. different things, whereas I always felt like Ren & Stimpy was tryna be a pomo appropriation of ver classics.

the episode where ren is in charge of the stimpy fan club is my favorite

xp there's room for that!

Yeah, but I don't think it did it all that well. Many obviously disagree with me.

R&S is genuinely incredible, on the whole, if flawed (the flow of dialogue and timing was often pretty poor, certainly in the early ones). Huge imagination visually and conceptually but the big lols are all from pretty basic reduced moments - facial expressions, randomly weird voices and similar traditional tropes just ramped up to 111. Excellent music used throughout too, from Tchaikovsky to Raymond Scott.

14 - The Fast Show (BBC, 1994-2000)
- 2440 points, 16 votes

http://sharetv.org/images/the_fast_show_uk-show.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClcwKgxu2wk

Not the most representative clip, but one quite appropriate to ILX I felt.

i have no idea what that is

Sketch show. All the sketches were very short, hence the title.

Here's Johnny the Nice Painter while I'm at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRJxafiqHvw

Oh jesus.

For reference, I found the only good Fast Show sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UFUxTZwsJk

Ironically the sketches stopped being punchy v quickly and just dragged and farted on for the most part.

The "Bob Phlegming" sketches must rank as the most tedious, draw out, and laugh free comedy of all time.

it's great! none of those clips are representative of its best though.

Also I hated the Fast Show's general use of repetition - oh look, it's that guy who lives in a shed again...

Simon Day >>> most of the others.

kind of missing the point, here

Oh man Paul Whitehouse walking past different backgrounds in a bobble hat being charmingly naive and enthusiastic just never starts being funny

it became one of the most funniest, subtle and layered programmes on tv simply through repetition of laugh free sketches. i don't quite know how to explain that.

I like this one a lot, though it's particularly Brit-specific (Britcific?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGYUd4mNaBM

And yeah, I kind of know what you're getting at, Darragh.

There is something in what you say, darragh, and I will be the first to admit I watched every single ep, but dear god I wouldn't watch it now.

tbh it's more like a drama series in that if you don't watch it through from the beginning you're going to be lost and wondering what the fuss is about...like lost, really.

I occasionally catch a repeat on Dave or whatever, and still find a fair bit to laugh at.

If I was being even-handed I could probably draw up a list where I liked about half of the characters and their sketches. Probly a bit under half.

But it's sat here above Vic and Bob and King of the Hill and bollocks to being even-handed tbh

John Thomson shouting "YOU WANT A WHORE" almost redeems the entire show tho

already said enough about the Fast Show. nothing so repetition/catchphrase-based can hold up over 10 years later.

and oh man the live dvd

damn near the pinnacle of human cultural achievement imo

it was v impressive

I think the Fast Show bears a lot of responsibility for ruining British sketch comedy. We're still being fed appalling lazy and hugely popular sketch shows that don't really extend beyond a collection of catchphrases week in week out, Little Britain being the most recent example.

I am wondering if The Kingdom/Riget is gonna make the list. Heart says yes, head says maybe not.

Fast Show didn't create that, if anything it tried to corner the market and kill it. Subsequent sketch shows have not been as inventive or varied. xp

Simon Day >>> most of the others.

Nah, the bloke in a shed was okay, but hated his music hall compare and Dave Angel: Eco Warrior. They were the weakest - the only weak? - characters in the whole thing.

Brilliant show. Haha "Brilliant!" Geddit?

should i wait for this whole countdown to be posted before i post that gif of snoop dogg shaking his head or just get it over with now?

I mean I agree in that TFS was the death of repetetive sketch, and you can't blame them for taking that format and getting the most out of it that anyone could.

Oh wait, Day's Competitive Dad was really well observed tbh.

but hated his music hall compare

He always introduced Arthur Atkinson though, who was brilliant. Agreed on Dave Angel.

I guess what I really meant was that Simon Day's characters tended to be more fleshed out, so perhaps they seem more long-lasting. But I still have a fondness for plenty of the slighter characters, e.g. running luggage-carrying "come on!" family.

I never liked Suits You Sir, despite it being one of the flagship sketches.

Fast Show didn't create that, if anything it tried to corner the market and kill it. Subsequent sketch shows have not been as inventive or varied. xp

^^^^ truth

also simon day rules esp dave angel

I still think it's funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bb_Pfgu-wg

correction: man in shed was Mark Williams.

I meant to say I JUST think it's funny.

"The CARDINAL"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Show_characters#Major_characters

Star Trek: The Next Generation (Paramount, 1987-94)
- 2460 points, 16 votes, 1 first place

http://threetreesstudios.com/andscifi/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/01_star_trek_the_next_generation_500_375_paromount_pictures.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jd1Ih8EUmw

hated it then, like it now

ugh

Sorry, should read 13 - Star Trek: The Next Generation

Simon Day I can live without, tbh, but his compere monologue on the live DVD is maybe the best thing anyone has ever done in comedy.

Starfleet - the only crypto-fascist militaristic organisation I would sign up to in a heartbeat.

you mean as Billy Bleach? xp

Liked a few episodes of TNG (those involving Q generally), mostly thought it was a bit lame, especially compared to the mindblowing SF novels and comics I was starting to get into at the time.

naaah not billy bleach, where he relates the tale about preparing a meal in the jungle

I like TOS better but I've always enjoyed Next Gen when I've seen it without ever having the desire to get deep into it.

Starfleet - the only crypto-fascist militaristic organisation I would sign up to in a heartbeat.

http://vulpeslibris.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/starfleet1.jpg

^this one? Might agree with you. Not ST:TNG tho.

i can only imagine the amount of SB action I'm landing myself in when the US contingent read about this epic sketch show, stream episode one and come back with vengeance on their minds. guess everyone's a stan for something in this cold world.

Somebody shd probly just c&p everything ethan ever said about TNG on ILX cos that pretty much covers it.

Do you know what, I like the US/UK divide and diversity and rampant bad taste on this poll - at least it's kinda unpredictable.

TNG is the best star trek, and it's ok if somewhat silly for anyone above 14 to be watching

eat that

Can you give us a precis?

xpost re:Ethan

ST:TNG, like so many other shows on this list, makes for really great casual viewing. Like, just chilling with some junk food and blankets and the TV. Like comfort food for your eyes. But quality comfort food.

It's so slow and earnest and boring though. And all the rubbish people/aliens.

what is this rubbish about kirk not being the best captain? i watched star trek II the other night, it is clearly the greatest film of all time. singular episodes of the original series make up my childhood. i remember my parents watching the next generation when it premiered and thinking, what is this boring crap? whereas wrath of khan scared me so bad i couldn't sleep (the bug- in-ear part, naturally). deep space nine and voyager are even worse. it's like if they made 'the prisoner: the next generation' with some bald dumbass replacing mcgoohan, and then made two more that were even worse shit. the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

There's much more to it than this but there's yr marker

I liked that Q character they brought in now and then. Of course with that kind of power you'd be a total douche.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

Anyway, great thread, everyone should read

It's so slow and earnest and boring though

picked up by season 2/3. some of the episodes are the best headfuck moments in the history of tv.

Do you know what, I like the US/UK divide and diversity and rampant bad taste on this poll

otm, it's kinda great. I've been watching bits of Mr Show and Spaceghost for the last half hour, neither of which I'd seen before (although somehow I don't think many American's will be saying the same about Vic and Bob and "This Week I Have Been Mostly...").

Fast Show was funny and still is when I see it on Dave. I have mostly hated post-TFS sketch shows though, due to them just stealing the worst elements of it (umm, basically catchphrases instead of writing actual jokes). Armstrong&Miller are alright at times though, I guess.

But just in case you don't read it, here are Ronan and Ethan doing God's work:

Ronan909: haha jean luc picard
SIMONTRIFE: you jean luc picard motherfucker
SIMONTRIFE: i am obsessed with him too ronan
Ronan909: that show is fucking hilarious
Ronan909: its so serious and up its own ass
SIMONTRIFE: have you seen the movie where he cries
Ronan909: imagine redoing the theme tune so they all kind of have to dance
Ronan909: and do stupid actions
SIMONTRIFE: we laughed so fucking hard i tht i was going to die
Ronan909: its so funny
Ronan909: he's extremely funny
Ronan909: so is ryker
SIMONTRIFE: his fake-french nephew has died and hes looking at this photo album in his little room
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: the clothes he wears!
Ronan909: tunics and kind of robin hood style stuff
SIMONTRIFE: thats also the movie where theyre going to hit the planet and data says 'SHIT!!'
SIMONTRIFE: bcz he has the emotion chip
Ronan909: data as every 8 year old kid in blockbusters forever
SIMONTRIFE: i agree totally star trek really is the funniest show ever
Ronan909: the next gen is easily the best
SIMONTRIFE: the whole ship looks like a mid 90s luxury car
Ronan909: people laugh at the old old one but thats passe
SIMONTRIFE: all that beige carpeting
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: its like a saab
SIMONTRIFE: yeah the old one has a much 'newer' aesthetic
Ronan909: and the suits are just homo
SIMONTRIFE: haha picard wd totally drive a saab
Ronan909: "make it saab"
Ronan909: he should do a commercial
SIMONTRIFE: hes the jacues lu cont of outer space
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: 'uh, jean luc?' 'call me patrick'
Ronan909: wouldnt it be funny if geordie was like a really strong black character
SIMONTRIFE: jean luc!!!
Ronan909: like obviously
SIMONTRIFE: haha well he is kunte kinte
Ronan909: the dad from fresh prince
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: can you imagine that giant body in one of those suits
Ronan909: the mental image has me laughing
SIMONTRIFE: i also like the politically correct storyl;ines
SIMONTRIFE: like when they go to the planet with the deaf president and everyone has to be very sensitive to the deaf guy
Ronan909: they're better than the stupid "crises" anyway
Ronan909: like "we're all going to die" followed by
SIMONTRIFE: and theyre always getting trapped in big clouds
Ronan909: "captain if i reroute the central engine then theres a one percent chance we can live"
Ronan909: "MAKE IT SO"
SIMONTRIFE: at least on the old star trek they actually went to planets and had monsters and stuff
Ronan909: "thank god we got lucky"
SIMONTRIFE: next generation is just cloud after cloud
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: "of all the clouds this one is the most enigmatic ryker
SIMONTRIFE: did you ever see the early one where they all get drunk and data fucks the blonde girl
Ronan909: have you ever read camus?"
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: "i am fully functional"
SIMONTRIFE: she asks him if hes... FULLY functional, and he spouts these meaningless robot statistics
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: and did you see the movie where he fucks the borg queen!!!
Ronan909: the uncut version had him charming picard
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: i like data alot, hes a very funny actor
SIMONTRIFE: hes the crazy scientist in independence day
Ronan909: yes
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: its a hard part to play
Ronan909: incredibly hard
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: pre-'fuck it, what do you look like' thread
SIMONTRIFE: WORF!!!
Ronan909: ACH-NACH-SHMACH
SIMONTRIFE: remember how he always talked abt klingon sex
Ronan909: they really made klingon seem basic and primitive
SIMONTRIFE: 'a... HUMAN woman could not...withstand it.'
Ronan909: hahah
Ronan909: he was basically taunting ryker
SIMONTRIFE: haha they could never decide if they were space-russians or space-africans
SIMONTRIFE: haha ryker is a tool
Ronan909: yeah totally
Ronan909: po faced twa
Ronan909: t
Ronan909: he was kind of racist in it
Ronan909: always ready to kill some romulans
SIMONTRIFE: like when hes piloting that shuttle and ryker goes 'tough little ship' and worf goes 'LITTLE??'
Ronan909: speaking of which the romulans were fucking hilarious!
Ronan909: the haircuts!
SIMONTRIFE: ryker was totally a racist
SIMONTRIFE: haha 'bad vulcans'
Ronan909: and the big shoulder pads
SIMONTRIFE: 'vulcans, but bad'
Ronan909: we envy you humans and your "fashion sense"
Ronan909: it is unmissable
Ronan909: i watch it daily
SIMONTRIFE: they borrowed their shoulder pads from vivian banks
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: finally a concrete connection
SIMONTRIFE: i havent had tv in like three or four years but i remember them all
Ronan909: the irish guy is so funny too
Ronan909: colm meaney
SIMONTRIFE: i remember the movies better
Ronan909: chief o brien
SIMONTRIFE: yeah the irish guy!!! hes in a lot of movies
Ronan909: one of my friends gets called chief cos he looks like him
SIMONTRIFE: hes the jet pilot who dies in die hard 2, when the plane full of british ppl crashes
Ronan909: have you ever seen "the snapper"
SIMONTRIFE: i love how the terrorists kill the brits as a 'warning'
Ronan909: he plays an Irish dad in it
Ronan909: whose daughter gets pregnant at 16
SIMONTRIFE: 'next time itll be some REAL people!'
Ronan909: its so fucking funny
SIMONTRIFE: haha does he get mad and yell
Ronan909: he has slippers and dodgy cardigans etc
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: pregnant by worf
Ronan909: his wife goes but what about the neighbours
SIMONTRIFE: 'there is... biting.'
Ronan909: and he flings a cup of tea and goes
Ronan909: "AH FUCK THE NEIGHBOURS"
Ronan909: in a really funny irish accent
SIMONTRIFE: in retrospect his klingon sex doesnt sound very hardcore at all
Ronan909: no some girls make it seem tame
Ronan909: "there is slobbering and awful masturbation technique"
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909:
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: calum is like ryker
Ronan909: "there is.......grabbing of pubic hair by mistake"
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: ryker thinks life begins and ends with white men
SIMONTRIFE: 'sometimes...the condom gets stuck in your pubes, and you have to stop for a moment... it is very stressful'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: ryker is totally aryan nation
Ronan909: "a condom has not been found for klingons yet"
SIMONTRIFE: hes sucha prick!
Ronan909: "we use ferengi ear lobes"
SIMONTRIFE: its ridged for her pleasure
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: haha ferengi
Ronan909: FERENGI
SIMONTRIFE: space-jews
SIMONTRIFE: they were the bad space-jews, vulcans were the good space-jews
SIMONTRIFE: vulcans have thousands of years of culture and arts and are very solemn and wise
SIMONTRIFE: the ferengi control all the money and will screw you over for it
Ronan909: they love business deals
SIMONTRIFE: yeah, they worship gold
SIMONTRIFE: we havent even touched on THE HOLODECK
SIMONTRIFE: ryker was always like reenacting the civil war on it
Ronan909: redneck
SIMONTRIFE: and picard did that hilarious film noir detective thing!! what a goober
Ronan909: REG BARCLAY
SIMONTRIFE: honestly, is he like ten??
Ronan909: AKA *******
SIMONTRIFE: hahahaha
SIMONTRIFE: thirty-eight year old virgin
SIMONTRIFE: he was put in so fans could have a relateable character
SIMONTRIFE: 'number one, get me number thirty-eight year old virgin'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: haha its all coming back now
Ronan909: deanna LOVES nerds
Ronan909: we're all not losers!
SIMONTRIFE: 'tea, earl grey, HOT'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: she was kind of a bullshit psychic
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: she just sounded constantly moany
Ronan909: from hearing everyones pain
SIMONTRIFE: yeah
Ronan909: or else like she was having an orgasm
Ronan909: "captain, the cloud is leaving us"
SIMONTRIFE: her most-used word was 'ohh'
SIMONTRIFE: haha exactly
SIMONTRIFE: 'the cloud has father issues'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i swear to fucking god i think that was an actual plot
SIMONTRIFE: cloud with father issues
Ronan909: "the cloud is mating with that supernova, we're witnessing the birth of something we know nothing about"
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
Ronan909: picard (rubbing lotion on head sternly) "deanna have you ever read camus"
SIMONTRIFE: they were such pussies!!
Ronan909: haha yeah
Ronan909: its so po faced
SIMONTRIFE: the old one really was so much more hardcore
SIMONTRIFE: like, they got in fights and shit!!
Ronan909: seriously imagine how piss yourself funny it would be if you had the theme music
Ronan909: and them all dancing to it
Ronan909: as the intro
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i want to dj with the theme music
Ronan909: like mock actions
Ronan909: at every change in note
SIMONTRIFE: haha ok ronan
Ronan909: you have a shot of picard pointing angrily
Ronan909: or ryker frowning
Ronan909: you know that old 80s tv show style
SIMONTRIFE: the intro is pretty gay too... the planets
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: and the ship, it DISAPPEARS
Ronan909: whoosh
SIMONTRIFE: WARP SPEED
Ronan909: MAKE IT SO
Ronan909: he should have said
Ronan909: make it go
Ronan909: or make it clap
SIMONTRIFE: hahah
Ronan909: they were all into such shit stuff aswell
Ronan909: on the holodeck
SIMONTRIFE: make it SO (clap clap clap clap clap clap clap)
SIMONTRIFE: yeah i know
Ronan909: "i've recreated a 1924 jazz club with no one in it"
SIMONTRIFE: youd think culture had just stopped
Ronan909: "i feel this is the best use of being able to simulate any event ever"
Ronan909: the holodeck, man i'd love one of those
SIMONTRIFE: they all listened to classical music and liked prancing around in medieval forests
Ronan909: ecstacy, early 90s grade
Ronan909: warehouse, scuzzy
Ronan909: music, loud, rave
SIMONTRIFE: haha speaking of ryker being a dick to worf you know in the movie when theyre on the ship
SIMONTRIFE: like, some stupid old british navy boat
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: as per usual
Ronan909: fucking anglophiles
SIMONTRIFE: and he makes worfs plank disappear and he falls in
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: idiot
SIMONTRIFE: and then data pushes a bunch of ppl in the water but nobody laughs!!!
Ronan909: and ryker is all "i can take a joke"

Ronan909: data's is funnier
SIMONTRIFE: i mean it was a lot funnier than when fucking ryker did it
SIMONTRIFE: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: so data like goes back to his room to cry
Ronan909: cos if someone did it to ryker he'd not be smiling in that fucking smug way
SIMONTRIFE: only he cant bcz he doesnt have the emotion chip
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i really wd probably beat the shit out of him
Ronan909: he was in north and south too
SIMONTRIFE: THIS ONES FOR WORF
Ronan909: imagine the entire crew dancing to get low
SIMONTRIFE: 'number one'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i can imagine like data doingthe running man
SIMONTRIFE: stop being so fucking SERIOUS
SIMONTRIFE: why is no one gay in the future
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: they have replicated the problem away thanks to ryker
SIMONTRIFE: the closest to gay wd be like ryker wd fall in love with some woman who turns out to be a shapeshifter
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: that would be hilarious
SIMONTRIFE: she shouldve turned into molten lava while rykers dick was in her
Ronan909: he's about to fuck her and then its like
SIMONTRIFE: dude that was an episode
SIMONTRIFE: except the lava
Ronan909: "ambassador tomalahawk, you ROMULAN SCUM"
SIMONTRIFE: her real form was this furry rat thing
Ronan909: "I was working undercover picard, i knew it was ambassador tomahawk"
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: everyones a racist in the future
Ronan909: remember his son appeared or something
Ronan909: and it was a bug
SIMONTRIFE: i love the movie with kirk and the klingons
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: thats seriously my favorite movie of all time
Ronan909: kirk at least tried to sleep with women
SIMONTRIFE: its even better than wrath of khan
Ronan909: they made them assexual in the next gen cos they were so embarassed
SIMONTRIFE: kirk is fucking rugged
Ronan909: do you mean the one where kirk and co get framed
SIMONTRIFE: even when he was old he still was a pimp
SIMONTRIFE: yeah and sent to the ice planet!!
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: kirk actually fucks a shapeshifter in that too
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: shapeshifters are the modern day tranny
SIMONTRIFE: and bones is like rolling his eyes
SIMONTRIFE: 'here he goes again'
SIMONTRIFE: that movie is awesome
Ronan909: bones is kind of sexually dead
Ronan909: and just dead in every sense
SIMONTRIFE: it has the skank from sex in the city as spocks little vulcan girl
SIMONTRIFE: she overenunciates everything
SIMONTRIFE: well he is dead now
SIMONTRIFE: the actor
SIMONTRIFE: theres an old episode where he fucks a shapeshifter too
SIMONTRIFE: it turns out to be a monster that eats salt and has a vagina for a face
SIMONTRIFE: a vagina with teeth!
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: the old ones are all about weirdo mind control
Ronan909: and kind of eerie character warping
Ronan909: the new ones are like BIG MORAL ISSUES
SIMONTRIFE: kirk would make a good rapper
Ronan909: NO JOKES
SIMONTRIFE: i bet he refuses to go down on girls
SIMONTRIFE: bcz hes james t fucking kirk
Ronan909: warf would be a good rapper
Ronan909: it involves BITING
SIMONTRIFE: haha and in the klingon movie you learn at the klingon trial his middle name is TIBERIUS
SIMONTRIFE: 'i like earth bitches'
Ronan909: eastside boys featuring james tiberius kirk
SIMONTRIFE: lil kirk
Ronan909: "I Fuck All Races"
SIMONTRIFE: remember worfs son!!!
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: he was such a little shit
Ronan909: and his brother or cousin or whoever
Ronan909: who kept calling him a pussy for wearing his fancy earthman sash
Ronan909: in fairness they were right, that ship was full of twats
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "perhaps i like twee anglophilia brother"
SIMONTRIFE: yeah remember like when worf goes back to the klingon home planet and theyre like 'wtf'
Ronan909: "but WESLEY CRUSHER, HE IS WHAT WE CALL A FOOL"
SIMONTRIFE: all the klingons cant believe hes hanging out with these total losers
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: ilxors as next generation
SIMONTRIFE: q was asexual though
Ronan909: so he said
Ronan909: he was actually quite cool
SIMONTRIFE: calum is like on the old star trek when theyd meet some god and he wd fuck with them but then in the end he'd just be a big baby
Ronan909: sense of humour
SIMONTRIFE: yeah anyone who makes picard so mad!!
SIMONTRIFE: 'STOP IT Q'
Ronan909: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: i guess he is calumn
Ronan909: "Q I FEEL GREAT ANGER TOWARDS YOU"
SIMONTRIFE: 'Q I THINK WE SHOULD TALK THIS OVER'
Ronan909: "Q I AM FURIOUS, HAVE YOU EVER READ SARTRES"
SIMONTRIFE: kirk wouldve just kicked him in the teeth
SIMONTRIFE: he wouldve done that sideways kirk kicking thing where he lands on his ass
Ronan909: "q theres a line on jay z's the blueprint, it reads simply 'i will not lose ever FUCKER'"
SIMONTRIFE: the borg movie has a lot of hilarious stuff with picard talking abt herman melville
Ronan909: yeah haha
SIMONTRIFE: i guess literature just stopped!
Ronan909: he always shitted on about obvious contemporary literature
Ronan909: or culture
SIMONTRIFE: in the future nobody writes anything but self-help books
SIMONTRIFE: yeah i know
SIMONTRIFE: listening to bach
SIMONTRIFE: white supremicist
Ronan909: "in normandy, when they're bedding the horses, they are always sure to say why not my beautiful vicar"
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
Ronan909: he is like captain MCDEPTH
SIMONTRIFE: remember when he gets trapped in the elevator and he sings frere jacques to the kids!!
Ronan909: i was just thinking of that
SIMONTRIFE: he wasnt even fucking french
SIMONTRIFE: he has a british accent!!
SIMONTRIFE: remember his vineyard
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: and geordie was so bored he was visiting his old boss
SIMONTRIFE: haha sometimes they wd drink wine on the enterprise
Ronan909: and play cards
SIMONTRIFE: theyre such 80s yuppies
Ronan909: ryker the jazz fan
Ronan909: GUINAN
SIMONTRIFE: they would have like those 80s cd players that are really huge
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: 'captain i am detecting the prescence of whoopi goldberg in a stupid hat'
SIMONTRIFE: she looked like a fucking chess piece
Ronan909: picards voice is so funny
Ronan909: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: they could play three dimensional chess with her!!
Ronan909: you know when he goes all slow and kind of contemplative
SIMONTRIFE: god they were always playing chess too
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: they played 3d chess in deep space nine
SIMONTRIFE: its funny to imagine teh rest of culture continued on without them but on the enterprise they just wanted everything to be old and european bcz they were white supremicists
SIMONTRIFE: like, everybody else in the galaxy is listening to get low 2450
SIMONTRIFE: theyre like a bunch of renaissance faire nerds
SIMONTRIFE: its a show abt a bunch of nerds who fly around in a spaceship
SIMONTRIFE: a bunch of rich white yuppie nerds
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: they just lamely stun them on that one
Ronan909: did they ever kill anyone
Ronan909: in the entire thing
SIMONTRIFE: maybe they like shot a cloud and then it gave birth
SIMONTRIFE: 'we're witnessing something very beautiful here...'
SIMONTRIFE: picard was like a shitty professor
SIMONTRIFE: he was always making the crew gather round to look at stuff they didnt care about
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: "have some malt whiskey lieutenant"
SIMONTRIFE: 'yemtemenos 8.... we finally made it'
Ronan909: hahaha
Ronan909: they were all rapt with interest though
SIMONTRIFE: haha they drank stupid yuppie wine
Ronan909: "captain i intend to take some rock samples for my studies"

SIMONTRIFE: they replicator was just one of the cardboard boxes of wine they sell at teh grocery store
SIMONTRIFE: they just put a piece of black plastic on it
Ronan909: "you do that lieutenant, WAIT, a cloud???? IN THIS GALAXY?"
SIMONTRIFE: i imagine them just going from cloud to cloud
SIMONTRIFE: uss retard
Ronan909: "cloud 9, i've heard of this one"

SIMONTRIFE: wtf was there mission anyway
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "to eliminate clouds"
Ronan909: and take rock samples
SIMONTRIFE: 'hey... you...get offa my...'
SIMONTRIFE: to learn lessons from clouds
Ronan909: they just gave them a fake mission and threw wes crusher on board
SIMONTRIFE: to make the holodeck malfunction and almost kill everyone
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: to get rid of them all
SIMONTRIFE: it was secretly a reality show
Ronan909: cos they were the worst bunch of bores ever
Ronan909: they kept making faces when kirk or other federation cronies got lecherous or drunk or sexist.
SIMONTRIFE: 'what happens... when nine crew members stop being real... and start getting polite'
SIMONTRIFE: haha i know
SIMONTRIFE: they were like
Ronan909: you can see thats true cos they hate all the old federation guys
Ronan909: RAJON 5
Ronan909: what was with the dumb names of planets too
Ronan909: they sounded like washing up powders
Ronan909: LUSTRE 7
SIMONTRIFE: hard-on 12
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: BALDHEAD 1
Ronan909: captains log, supplemental
SIMONTRIFE: STRONGO 14
Ronan909: after rendez vousing with the venetian blinds on GETLOW 7
SIMONTRIFE: his captains logs were fucking useless too
SIMONTRIFE: always making shit jokes in them
Ronan909: we have found a primitive culture known as "fun"
SIMONTRIFE: or being really obscure
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: "the clouds have gone, for now, perhaps we were unable to understand them"
Ronan909: and then it got all wonder years
Ronan909: "we didnt realise it and neither did they but that day our crew and the moons of Raijilicus 4 were closer than ever.
SIMONTRIFE: 'i guess you could say we learned something from the rigelians... about ourselves'
SIMONTRIFE: or he would smugly mention another crewmember
Ronan909: this was truly a space miracle"

Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: my first cloud
SIMONTRIFE: captain, dr crushers brother has died on VIETNAM 7
Ronan909: "commander data meanwhile has not mastered the subtle art of bonhomie, but with my guidance, he shall continue to learn"

Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: they probably all sat around laughing at his captains logs
SIMONTRIFE: we sent you through that cloud to collection ion samples!!
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "another cracker from jean luc"
SIMONTRIFE: 'look... hes crying!!'
SIMONTRIFE: god i know i sat around laughing at him
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i want to see the one where he cries so bad now
Ronan909: there is so much mileage in mocking it though
Ronan909: what was his nephew called
SIMONTRIFE: 'he was.... so.... so... so YOUNG'
Ronan909: lilian
Ronan909: or florent
Ronan909: or something
SIMONTRIFE: he actually says that
Ronan909: lilian-florent
SIMONTRIFE: yeah something gay
SIMONTRIFE: omg dude how cd i forget this!!!
SIMONTRIFE: when he goes inside the ribbon that grants your wishes
Ronan909: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: and his wish is to have a gay charles dickens christmas with his family!!!
Ronan909: and he's married to a victorian woman
Ronan909: hahahaha
SIMONTRIFE: what a loser
SIMONTRIFE: kirk is like chopping wood and getting back in bed with some green woman
SIMONTRIFE: picards is just little brats going 'pa-PA!'
SIMONTRIFE: 'faaaather...'
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: it would have been so cool if “relax” played and picard is in some brothel looking aroused and disgusted with himself all at once.
SIMONTRIFE: why is malcolm mcdowel in that
Ronan909: the intro and then picard is like "nooooooooo"
SIMONTRIFE: it really is a travesty
SIMONTRIFE: except when data says shit
Ronan909: THE NEXUS
SIMONTRIFE: hhaha
SIMONTRIFE: the enterprise is THE LEXUS
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: cruise control, faux leather seating
SIMONTRIFE: beige EVERYTHING
SIMONTRIFE: picard was like 'make it beige, number one'
Ronan909: its such a pathetic vision of depth
Ronan909: MAKE IT BEIGE, LIKE A FINE WINE
SIMONTRIFE: 'what color shd the spaceship be??' 'MAKE IT BEIGE'
SIMONTRIFE: like my shriveled old man hea
Ronan909: number one, i think you'll find the seats are plush leather
SIMONTRIFE: uss fleshtone
Ronan909: easy on the rear
Ronan909: uss pofaced
SIMONTRIFE: the old enterprise was cool
SIMONTRIFE: all grey and simple
SIMONTRIFE: the new one had like cup-holders everywhere
Ronan909: the bar in the new one is the worst
SIMONTRIFE: and stupid little ridges
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: it looks like the worst yuppie bar ever
Ronan909: MAKE IT BLAND NUMBER ONE
Ronan909: "aye aye sir"
SIMONTRIFE: they were such fucking yuppies
Ronan909: little did they know about warf and datas SEcrEt CrUnK parties in the holodeck
SIMONTRIFE: ;make it crunk'
SIMONTRIFE: worf probably listened to like tribal klingon music
Ronan909: "what in the name of fornicating clouds is going on here warf"

Ronan909: i can imagine warf as an industrial fan
Ronan909: front 242
SIMONTRIFE: 'it is too HARSH... for human ears... no melody... just rhythm'
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: insane clown posse
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "its......too shit for human ears"

SIMONTRIFE: 'there is a lot of... sucking'
Ronan909: ha
Ronan909: there must be other characters
SIMONTRIFE: yeah we've hit the wall here
Ronan909: i am saving this without doubt
SIMONTRIFE: remember bajorans
SIMONTRIFE: nose ridges
Ronan909: horrible noses
SIMONTRIFE: yeah totally we have to make this into something
SIMONTRIFE: 'tasteful suburban bookstore, 1988'
SIMONTRIFE: 'macintosh computer, flying toasters screensaver'
SIMONTRIFE: 'magazine rack, macworld magazine'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: 'packaged biscotti, dry'
Ronan909: music, tepid indie
Ronan909: clothes, amusing v neck sweater
Ronan909: prejudices, multiple
SIMONTRIFE: music, tribal groove
SIMONTRIFE: music, moby, play
Ronan909: worf is like
Ronan909: place, klingon semen basement 2077
SIMONTRIFE: sting, new album
Ronan909: music, BEYOND HOLODECK COMPREHENSION
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: sex, full blown, many clowns.
SIMONTRIFE: location, the very mild fetish club
Ronan909: klingon sex is unusual
SIMONTRIFE: sense of transgression from 'biting', third grade level
Ronan909: "it involves...........clowns"