~~~~The Top 100 films/movies of the 2000s/oughties VOTING THREAD~~~~ BALLOTS DUE FEBRUARY 2 (POLLS CLOSED, PREPARE FOR GALA EVENT)

IT IS TIME

rules:

- vote for 40 films either from the list of nominations OR you may write in films that are not listed. go ahead and lobby for the ones you don't see. don't feel restricted by the list.

- the votes are broken down pretty easily: 40 pts for 1st place, 39 for second, etc all the way down to 1 pt for 40th place.

- submit the ballots in the format below:

Darkness Falls - 40pts
Halloween 2 - 39pts
Orphan - 38pts
Battlefield Earth - 37pts

and so on.

This will make tallying a lot easier for me and the results can get out a lot faster.

VOTING CLOSES ON GROUNDHOG DAY! IRL IT DOESN'T REPEAT SO NO LATE BALLOTS!

send your ballot to ilx2000sfilm AT gmail.com

The nominees are at the site below:

http://ilx2000sfilm.wordpress.com/

ugh

send your ballot to ilx2000sf✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧

such pwnage

t(^_^t)

it's the same as the wordpress title, except it's at gmail

thanks jj -_-

Red Barn - 40

(jk, jk)

thanks so much for doing this!

Darkness Falls - 40

This means 40 points for "Darkness Falls" (ie., 1st place) - not 40th place for "Darkness Falls" (ie., 1 point), right?

Is it fair to count Kill Bill vols. 1 and 2 as two separate films? That's like voting on different acts of a play.

yes, xpost. i will ask a mod to clarify that though

there we go : D

went through and started cutting, noticed maybe two mistakes

Two Dark Knights? Two The Class's (one under french title, one in english)?

Or I could be wrong.

i'm down to 118 films

what if i dont want to vote for darkness falls :(

I don't see Revolutionary Road + Sweeney Todd on the list -- I'm voting for both, so I figured I'd mention them here in case anyone else wants to vote for them.

those films listed as examples are actually the only four nominees, i'm afraid.

well I already submitted a list of 100 today but it's subject to change.

some kind of monster is on the twice under S and M, btw

neither of them really fit in the s&m category

what a horribly formed "post"

Surprised that "Wendy and Lucy" made it, but "Old Joy" didn't.

OR you may write in films that are not listed

Ah, just saw this.

Other missing ones I may vote for: "Goodbye Solo" and "Hors de Prix"

Wasn't 'Crash' nominated?

http://i44.tinypic.com/x22tlt.gif

movie I really wish would place but probably won't: The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada.

since there is a month left i would encourage many "re-screenings"

Are you suggesting Dude Where's My Car doesn't hold up?

I'm a bit late, but Netflix's online selection is pretty great!

dud where's my car?

3 ballots in so far, well done

33 films fighting for 9 of my slots

what docs are people voting for? i feel like i'm wasting votes on them

anyone going for order of myths or forbidden lies or iraq in fragments?

billy the kid? american teen?

I'm gonna do this, but I'm glad you left such a big voting window.

voted for spellbound, grizzly man, parrots of telegraph hill, capturing the friedmans, and the devil & daniel johnston

Can't remember if we're using IMDB as a guide for dates, but if so Audition is 1999 (assuming it's the Miike Takashi one)

USA 11 June 2000 (Seattle International Film Festival)

OK. Sonatine is from 1993 though, should be taken out I guess.

Def keep Audition on. As far as docs, I'll prolly throw Order of Myths some points, that and Capturing the Friedmans.

awesome.

doesn't ilx like lantana?

sonatine was my fault, noted on the nominating thread. i was just scrolling thru my netflix ratings for anything i gave 4 or 5 stars to, and for whatever reason netflix has that with a 2000s date. it is definitely a '90s film.

Election is from '99 too

i think it's the hong kong election

big Order Of Myths fan, not enough to vote for it. Kind of a minor treasure. Out of my own personal Immortal 10 I'll stan here for Head-On. That film's a live wire, go watch it!

ok, this is enough to make me vote for OoM (for those who haven't seen it, you can watch it online @ Netflix)

'sonatine' removed, 'election' clarified (johnnie to gangster film that basically owns; sequel is triad election, also listed)

can I submit and unordered ballot?

AN unordered ballot

if i'm not mistaken, 1-40 adds up to 820, so that would work out to 20.5 points per film. if you want to submit an unordered ballot, that's ok with me. just put 20.5 pts after each film title.

also, someone has already submitted a ballot with less than 40 films, and if anyone else wants to do that it's ok. i'd just ask for at least 20 films on your list.

thankign u

thank a gnu?

if people want to lobby for films not on the list, i can then add them to the list on the link

there was an error in the last list, some films at the end got cut off, they're back now

Beer Fest wasn't nominated!

Waaaaiiiit is this "The Fashionistas" the hardcore porno?

In fairness, that is a good one.

Better plot than Avatar, anyway.

if people want to lobby for films not on the list, i can then add them to the list on the link

okay sorry i slept on the nominations because i totally thought these jerks would come through, but now I see that Head-On, Best Of Youth (miniseries, might not count?), Chop Shop, and The Dreamers are all missing from the list. i was def voting for these, and possibly maybe considering voting for The Celebration, Reprise, and L'enfant, also m.i.a.

no monsters inc?

Stuff to add:

The Mayor of The Sunset Strip
Observe and Report
The Science of Sleep

this is gonna be just like the '40s poll where i'm madly watching stuff all month before the voting deadline...

(and then having to discount for just-seen-it enthusiasm...)

additions made!

xpost Yeah, Tape Store's list of docs alone will have me busy.

do you have to vote for 40 movies? trying to arrange a list of 40 movies is annoying.

someone has already submitted a ballot with less than 40 films, and if anyone else wants to do that it's ok. i'd just ask for at least 20 films on your list.

― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, January 5, 2010 11:39 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Just a quick question : there are two The New World in the list. Which one is the Mallick film and what is the other one?

haha, xpost, don't watch AMERICAN TEEN unless you love MTV (i do)

tipz, i would go with mostly watching stuff you thought was great but haven't seen in 4-10 years.

i won't have much to watch after this week, anyone want to campaign? If it's viewable on Netflix, I'll almost certainly take a look
(I'll be watching pulse, miami vice, together and femme fatale in the next few days)

Here are the docs I'm pushing:
Order of Myths
Iraq in Fragments
My Winnipeg
Manda Bala (Send a Bullet)
Billy the Kid (this is a divisive film but unlike american teen, the consensus seems to be 'classic')

would push for Forbidden Lies but i only know of two ilxors who have seen it
also love Summercamp! but I doubt others will like it enough

I forgot how much I liked Vicky Cristina Barcelona until seeing among the nominations.

tipz, i would go with mostly watching stuff you thought was great but haven't seen in 4-10 years.

you're just hoping i'll see dogville for the fraud it is, aren't you?

Did no one nominate any of James Gray's films? Can't see them on the list. I thought people loved him! Could I belatedly nominate Two Lovers?

There's always hope, tipz!

Two Lovers has a great lead peformance but I'm not sure it's among the 200 best films of the '00s.

(The numbers pile up quickly if you're not enrique and acknowledge foreign films.)

i'll throw in two lovers

Does Trapped in the Closet count?

16 '00s docs I loved, A-Z:

Agronomist, The: Jonathan Demme doc about Haitian radio pioneer Jean Dominique was in progress when the subject was assassinated, but the story doesn't end there. I mostly remember Dominique's charisma, and a rare cinematic look at our most invaded and devastated 51st state, with a soundtrack by Wyclef Jean.

Aileen: Life and Death of a Serial Killer: Best Nick Broomfield doc (Biggie & Tupac), because there's actually something pressing at stake with his gawky, interventionist style. To be seen back-to-back with Monster.

Anvil! The Story of Anvil: Most cheering and moving of a great decade for metal docs (Some Kind of Monster, Atlas Moth).

Fog of War, The: Dubious, self-justifying half-apology from a war criminal without proper follow-up questions, but it makes for vintage Errol Morris/Phillip Glass drama. Best Vietnam doc of the decade was actually the release on DVD of 1972's Winter Soldier. Also rent Sir! No Sir!, which, among other things, systematically dispels the "hippies spitting on returning soldiers" myth.

Forever: If you see only one documentary about talking to people in a cemetery... No, seriously, Heddy Honigmann is the Richard Linklater of nonfiction dialogue, spinning amazing talk out of nothing more than curiosity, sociability, and her ability to ask good questions--in this case in the Père-Lachaise cemetery in Paris. One of the best films about death in this or any decade. Just out on DVD in 2009.
http://www.amazon.com/Forever-n/dp/B001RVA1QO

Jane Goodall's Wild Chimpanzees: Grizzly Man sticks in your craw because it goes to work on your dread center, and was ultimately haunted by its subject's mania and solitude rather than anything he observed through his own camera--though that footage was amazing. This doc, with its relatively un-conflicted relationship between observer and observed, is actually about the animals, who turn out to be a wordless, naked version of ourselves, down to the wars they make, and their own problems with isolation and social connection.

Los Angeles Plays Itself: Endlessly playable and very personal polemic, a narrated montage of scenes from movies set in Los Angeles that makes you think about place and representation everywhere. Not yet available on DVD, and probably will never be, but you can borrow my copy if you're in Minneapolis:
petescholtes "at" gmail
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379357/

My Architect: You don't have to entirely feel for the abandoned son who made this doc about his architectural-giant father (Louis Kahn) to admire the almost architectural structure of the film's unfolding mystery, its music, and its feat of making buildings compelling cinema.

North Korea: A Day in the Life: Exactly what it's title says, somehow snuck by authorities as a supposedly positive examination of living in the last large totalitarian stronghold, but ultimately a by-turns dryly funny, horrifying, and almost sci-fi-striking look.

Original Kings of Comedy, The: Best Spike Lee film of the decade, though all the others are worth seeing, plus Bernie Mac's shining moment.

Paradise Lost 2: Revelations: Where "did they or didn't they" becomes a cultural examination of guilt-by-weirdness, just as suspenseful and absorbing.

Revolution Will Not Be Televised, The [a.k.a. Chavez: Inside the Coup]: Not quite a real-life Z, but close: There's a blatantly-U.S.-backed coup against a democratically elected but left-leaning leader in Venezuela, and a documentary film crew shooting Chavez when it all happens, that sticks around long enough to see the popular retaking of the palace. The filmmakers are in the right place at the right time, but also skillful. Which should have been a hit, but it never got distribution or a DVD release--still un-televised:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11167.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Will_Not_Be_Televised_%28documentary%29

Bowling for Columbine: Sicko was arguably Moore's most important and persuasive polemic, but this had the more original insight, and it stays with you beyond its set pieces (e.g. walking into unlocked doors in Canada), which actually add up.

Trouble the Water: Gripping footage by a Fifth Ward resident of her experience of the flood in New Orleans, but an even more compelling camera-observed story about her heroism, redemption, and community afterward, with all of her pain rapped into a song near the end. Musically structured and memorable, but I guess overshadowed by the sensation of Man on Wire amid Katrina fatigue. Also love When the Levees Broke, but consider it TV.

Westway to the World: Don't know about best, but my most treasured of many good punk docs this decade, in part because the Clash are as compelling as older people as they were as a band. To be seen with Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten and Filth and the Fury.

Yes Men, The: Borat with a point, this is irony used as the Civil Rights movement understood it, actually turning an issue on its head, amped up to the level of Situationist comedy: Guys pretending to represent the World Trade Organization give increasingly ridiculous lectures to seminar crowds that don't seem phased, until they try it with college students and get a rise. Probably seems less fresh after a decade of prank media, but it's still my favorite anti-corporate doc in a decade full of good ones (The Take, Mondovino, Power Trip), and the inspired nexus of several forces for documentary good, including Chris Smith (Home Movie) and Sarah Price (Youssou Ndour: I Bring What I Love).

Also memorable:

DiG!
Gaza Strip
No End in Sight
Porn Star: The Legend of Ron Jeremy
Spellbound
Venus of Mars
White Diamond, The

Ha, Bowling for Columbine out of alphabetical order because I switched it in for Sicko. Struggled with including Man on Wire, which bugs me but you gotta see it.

Oh, and I liked The Kings of Kong, I just felt the end was kind of facile and botched.

liked Aileen and Agronomist, but White Diamond is my #1 among the ones you mentioned.

(again. more 'essay' than doc)

Probably about half the films I saw in the 2000s were documentaries. Ones I loved from the previous posts: Man on Wire, Spellbound, Porn Star, My Architect. Liked: Fog of War and Los Angeles Plays Itself (but not as much as most people). Michael Moore is...fun. Sometimes. Some random suggestions for Pete Scholtes: The Heart of the Game, The True Meaning of Pictures, Harvard Ties Yale 29-29, Stevie, Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired, The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters, A League of Ordinary Gentlemen.

I dug A League of Ordinary Gentlemen (and Kong), will check out the rest.

two films i *might* be voting for that aren't on the list: Mongol and Passiondale

they are now there

passchendaele is horrible (mongol is pretty wtf too)

Mongol i saw and liked, Passchendaele is still on the "to watch" list.
apologies for earlier crap spelling.

list updated with correct spelling ;-p

I might be the only vote it gets, but I love Riding in Cars With Boys (Brit Murphy, RIP).

Also, The Corpse Bride plz. thx.

And... Elizabethtown.

added those!

cosmo, you had mentioned 'the celebration'...are you talking about the danish film? if so, i'm finding it listed as 1998.

wow sorry it never even occurred to me that film was so old.

14 ballots so far....some interesting dark horse contenders coming into play

Much like every albums poll, I'm looking forward to this as I'm sure I'll be persuaded to see a few things I haven't yet.

Watched Best of Youth and Capturing the Friedmans this weekend, and loved them. Couldn't get through American Teen (kept wondering why they weren't reacting to the camera and finally figured out it was a Hills-type situation, ugh). Also watched Hero, which was one of those situations in martial arts wire-fu where it was so beautiful, it was funny. And with a better story (to my memory) than Crouching Tiger, though my memory is patchy.

What was the best Asian action film of the decade? Kill Bill Vol. 1?

P.S. I thought of Best of Youth as great television, which is how it originally appeared, though I know its international release changes things. Are Italians watching seasons of The Wire in some movie theater somewhere?

Wait, so I nominate Hero.

hero is totally gorgeous but the overbearing nationalism is a bit much. it feels just this side of propaganda. was not at all a surprise when he choreographed the olympics ceremony.

haha, xpost, don't watch AMERICAN TEEN unless you love MTV (i do)

― y tu mama ambien (Tape Store), Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:15 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

omar, w/r/t:

+ Ju-On aka The Grudge

totally nit-picking here but 2 different films:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330500/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364385/

also lol if anyone votes for either...

whoops: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0391198/

seems like there was an even earlier version of Ju-on in JP???

xpost: I love The Hills! I just love it as fiction.

to be clear, groundhog day is 2 february (per wikipedia), right?

I suppose this'd be the time to ask what Japanese horror fans' favored fave is too: I watched Ju-on (the 2002 one) and Ringu and love the set pieces you remember, but never really cared much about the characters, which is why I'm partial to the U.S. The Ring and even Dark Water (though I haven't seen the Japanese Dark Water--is it good?). Does that make me lame, American, or both?

In other Asian horror, I'd rep hard for The Host/Bong Joon-ho as one of the greatest films of the past decade, the comic/hysterical tone totally Jaws-genius and not at all detracting from the fact that that monster is barreling right at you from a blurry distance.

I hope anyone who missed this will give it a shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZOe65eA4Y

This was one of those movies that stuck with me for five years. I loved it.

P.S. I thought of Best of Youth as great television, which is how it originally appeared, though I know its international release changes things. Are Italians watching seasons of The Wire in some movie theater somewhere?

― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i'm guessing 6 hours in a movie theater is slightly less daunting than 60

thanks for the heads-up steve, i'll just remove "the grudge" part on the ballot.

15 ballots now, 14 different #1 films....

What was the best Asian action film of the decade? Kill Bill Vol. 1?

ugh.

KUNG FU HUSTLE

for non-comedies, Curse of the Golden Flower.

I suppose this'd be the time to ask what Japanese horror fans' favored fave is too

Audition!

i might be the only person including this one on my ballot; but: FUBAR!

(nothing to do with the above subject)

bump

hoping to get a lot of ballots, the number i've received so far is pretty promising.

groundhog day is the second of february, right? i'll try not to submit last minute, but this shit takes thought.

i have a good 25-30 films off the top of my head but worried that i might be overlooking some... help anyone? i'm not in the state of mind to look at a long list (esp, the ones with no country of origin or director's name) and pull productive data from it.

i'm working on the directors but it is a process ; p

hahaha, THANKING U btw!!!

Thank you for The Heart of the Game, really great doc. I sort of think Ludacris should narrate everything now.

omar, w/r/t:

+ Ju-On aka The Grudge

totally nit-picking here but 2 different films:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330500/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364385/

also lol if anyone votes for either...

― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Monday, January 11, 2010 1:23 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whoops: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0391198/

seems like there was an even earlier version of Ju-on in JP???

― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Monday, January 11, 2010 1:24 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

ju-on was first a tv movie in japan. shimizu made 2 of them, ju-on: the curse and ju-on: the curse 2. then the japanese theatrical film came out, which was called ju-on: the grudge. theatrical sequel was ju-on: the grudge 2.

ju-on: the grudge wasn't released on DVD in the US until the US remake was made, so they dropped "the grudge" from the title to avoid confusion.

I don't think the TV ju-ons ever made it to DVD in the US? I've got them around here somewhere, though.

also would like to late-nominate jeux d'enfants aka love me if you dare

i will add it to the list!

murderball should be on there 2 imo

Food Inc?

added, added

would like to see love for BLUE CRUSH

no kogan

Stockwell's MIDDLE OF NOWHERE is in my top ten i think but no one has seen it, hasn't been released yet :(

Can't remember if we're using IMDB as a guide for dates, but if so Audition is 1999 (assuming it's the Miike Takashi one)

― Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Monday, January 4, 2010 9:49 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

USA 11 June 2000 (Seattle International Film Festival)

― y tu mama ambien (Tape Store), Monday, January 4, 2010 9:52 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

Canada 6 October 1999 (VC Film Festival)'

^ this was the film's premiere, would also like to point out the shout factory DVD was released on 10/6/09 to commemorate its 10th anniversary

it's definitely a 1999 film, but if you leave it in it will be my #1 film of the 00s so whatevs

Ugh, b/w this and celebration my list is needing some serious restructuring.

I mean, THE HURT LOCKER premiered in Canada in 2008, but everyone calls it a 2009 film--release date seems more important than festival premiere.

this is what i have for 'audition' re: release dates

Canada 6 October 1999 (VC Film Festival)
Netherlands 28 January 2000 (International Film Festival Rotterdam)
Japan 3 March 2000
USA 11 June 2000 (Seattle International Film Festival)
Canada 30 July 2000 (Fantasia Film Festival)
Australia 8 September 2000
Hong Kong 21 September 2000
Finland 22 September 2000 (Helsinki International Film Festival)
Hungary 7 October 2000 (Titanic International Filmpresence Festival)
UK 17 October 2000 (Raindance Film Festival)
Netherlands 19 October 2000
Germany 25 January 2001
UK 16 March 2001
Singapore 12 April 2001 (Singapore International Film Festival)
Turkey 29 April 2001 (Istanbul Film Festival)
Denmark 20 July 2001
USA 8 August 2001 (New York City, New York)
Belgium 15 August 2001
Greece 15 September 2001 (Athens Film Festival)
Canada 28 September 2001 (Calgary Film Festival)
Switzerland 15 November 2001 (German speaking region)
France 6 March 2002

i'll leave it on the list if only because it was released in japan in 2000 and while it looks to be a '99 from some sources, outside of the film fest it didn't play anywhere until 2000.

what you meant to say was who gives a fuck abt canada

xp

In that case, I nominate Spring Forward, which premiered at the Toronto Film Festival in Sept. '99 but apparently screened everywhere else sometime in the '00s.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156096/releaseinfo

i'm kind of amazed so many ppl have voted already, I'm gonna just make the deadline in a couple of weeks, and will def not get to see some things on my list.

Last seen: White Diamond (love his docs), I've Loved You So Long (ugh)
Up next: Wind That Shakes The Barley, Time Out, Songs From The 2nd Floor

Time Out and Songs From The Second Floor will both be in my ballot, I recommend them highly.

time out is *dope*, definitely paced in a manner that is not everyone's cup of tea but its atmosphere is something else imo

the wind that shakes the barley is an excellent "troubles" film imo, though i don't think i'll be voting for it.

It is a very good film, but it didn't make my final forty. My criteria was pretty much based on entertainment value rather than 'quality' or 'importance' or what have you - I basically only picked movies I'd be happy to watch at nearly any time.

The Joy of Life -- a mixture of essay, doc, fic -- got scattershot theatrical showings, but is available on DVD and is certainly one of my 40 favorites of the 00s:

http://amazon.imdb.com/title/tt0436457/

tags: lesbian, San Francisco at dusk, Meet John Doe, Golden Gate Bridge suicides

i added it to the list, morbs. now you have to vote for it : D

short films y/n?

i suppose they're okay, within reason...

although i already cast my ballot, i checked out 'pulse' & 'the death of mr. lazarescu' - liked both a lot, would prob make a top-100 or so if i made it

i know slocki has repped for it before, but ppl shld really check out historias extraodinarias if they can. it's fucking awesome

I never include shorts. Apples and oranges. What from the '00s would have broad support?

i guess i can't prevent folks from voting for them or nominating them, but i don't see the point of either since i feel like it also does a slight disservice to the shorts. i'd be curious about a short films poll or a thread devoted to short films. but anyway, people can vote for them if they are so inclined.

What from the '00s would have broad support?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4JmeXXRmZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bSGuz1IJA

fyi i erred in nominating the first 'pusher' film; the two sequels are '00s flicks, the original is from 1996.

short films should get their own playground; of the paltry few i've seen this decade "A Stranger In Her Own City" is the definite fave. It's an off-the-cuff doc about a girl from Yemen. She's a 13-year-old superhero.

A modest proposal: Instead of moving forward from this poll by heading back to the 1930s (where we left off), we do a ILX top 100 short films poll. (Shorts being, for the sake of argument, movies less than one hour long.)

well 80% of mine would be slapstick comedies.

Less than an hour would include L'Age d'Or and Sherlock Jr. I'd go with 40 mins or less.

what about an additional poll for between 40 and 70 minutes so I can big-up Detour

I guess two-reeler would be a reasonable distinction as well. So, yeah, 40 minutes or thereabouts.

Just looked for a thread on it and there isn't one but it's nominated so I'm just going to put this here, Gone Baby Gone (which I'm watching now) is really pretty good.

yeah it's surprisingly good; looking forward to The Killer Inside Me especially because of Casey Affleck

amy ryan basically owns

keeping this bumped up (i realize that for some reason it's difficult to find this thread on search, maybe because of the "/" )

22 ballots so far

More I think about it, the further The Filth and the Fury moves up in my estimation--probably my second favorite doc after Trouble the Water.

just as a reminder: if anyone wants to vote for fewer than forty films, that's okay.

filth and the fury would probably be in my top twenty. the stuff at the end about sid is just so...moving. in such a weird unguarded way. especially given who's doing the talking.

don knotts

every time knotts starts crying i can't help crying along with him a little.

if you dudes don't vote i will be very disappointed

i am still refining my list! i have a word file open on my desktop and everything. lol ocd.

oh gearest, if we vote for less than 40 films should we redistribute the points accordingly or...? (apologies if this was handled upthread.)

if you vote for thirty films, for example, just score them from 40 pts for the 1st down to 11 pts for the 30th (if you vote for forty, it's 40pts down to 1 pt obv.)

if you want to keep them unranked, just give them 20.5 apiece no matter the number of films.

and...voted.

gearino, i have a top 50 list compiled so it shouldnt be hard for me to cut a top-40 outta it.

excellent, s1ockiest

I'm calling mulholland drive ftw btw

if the current pace keeps up it may not......

I just went through the list and picked the 40 movies I remembered best or wanted to see again the most.

And then I painstakingly organized them like a nerd.

Also I apparently really liked a lot of Korean films in 00s.

considering that most polls seem to have most of their ballots come in at the end, this one is looking really good so far.

if all goes well, as soon as the ballots close i will be able to start posting results almost right away. guys you won't believe the current top 10, it might please ~everyone~~

I can only assume Mulholland tops this one too.

Or hope, anyway.

http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/uhoh.gif

bump for the new week ^__^

i'm gonna finish mine on my lunch break.

okay problem #1: only 4 films from 2007-2009

I'm betting I saw a lot more than Shasta and I can verify the decade went into something of a decline after '05.

who is the Simon Reynolds of the film world, because I think he'd like where this thread is going.

http://barbarah.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/gene_shalit_list_view.jpg

http://thecelebritydiner.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/293lyonsben122006.jpg

three kings is 99 right? just checking ;-)

"I'm betting I saw a lot more than Shasta and I can verify the decade went into something of a decline after '05."

I didn't feel this way at all.

I think that has to do with critical myopia, that as time passes, we can better understand what the masterpieces of a certain period were?

i was worried that the opposite might take place, in that recent films (say from '07 to '09) would finish higher than they would have if this poll took place in five years. but so far things seemed to be spaced out evenly throughout the entire decade.

i think mine was p even except for only one 09 movie and nothing from 2005

Rabid fans of There Will Be Milkshake and Jack Twist, Investigative Cartoonist might disagree with me.

don't forget "Prince Valiant Murders All Of Texas"

Fundog Game Show Ace

as time passes, we can better understand what the masterpieces of a certain period were

This is why I will be making my definitive list in 2027.

"Rabid fans of There Will Be Milkshake and Jack Twist, Investigative Cartoonist might disagree with me."

LOL

Rabid fans of There Will Be Milkshake

There Will Be Blood improved by cameos by Aqua Teen Hunger Force? I could see it.

you'd better vote, dr!

"This is why I will be making my definitive list in 2027."

I reserve the right to change my mind about my list constantly.

It's just a list, guys. Geez.

Until 2027 that is.

Then it is definitive!

Yeah, but who cares?

My best friend used to give me his year-end albums list 18 months after the end of the year.

(he has kids now, so no more lists)

xp people who give a shit about lists apparently.

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_High_Fidelity/john_cusack_todd_louiso_high_fidelity_001.jpg

Exactly,

done

excellent -_-

did ya get my ballot, omar?

received and counted!

31 ballots thus far

rescreening zodiac this weekend and then i'm done

aghh, lost my first ballot, recreating and looks totally different. i think i'm going slightly more strategic because no one is voting for forbidden lies

just sent it in--forgot about eternal sunshine, oops! :)

thanking u

sorry, I'm waiting til Feb 1 cuz I'm finishing up doing this for someplace else.

as long as you get it in, it's all good. i will of course hound you relentlessly when that day arrives.

are you soliciting comments too or should i just send a straight list and youll cull from archives

Culling from archives ought to be easier for something like this as opposed to the '40s poll. (Then again, there's probably the opposite problem of just plain way too many potential comments.)

Children of Men would be hell if I recall that thread correctly.

if anyone wants to send comments in the email, that's more than welcome. but i do think the number of threads devoted to this decade, the "detrius" threads, and threads devoted to specific films should make it all relatively easy.

Okay, now that I see you're putting in directors and years, I feel pretty bad about nominating 300 films...

it's all good. i started doing that as a handy resource for those who are curious but time has prevented me from continuing it at this moment.

may i take a moment to say thank you to Omar for volunteering his time and energy to this project? very nice job! i'm curious to see how it turns out so that people can immediately start whining and throwing hissy fits like on the P&J polls (not really, just kidding lol).

zmg, i called you omar and not gear! for the first time evaaaaaa.

yeah, no--THANK YOU. If I can help with anything, shoot me an email. So psyched to see the results.

hopefully the results won't be blamed on a complex pitchfork conspiracy ;-p

Yeah, I can help db crunching if needed (almost 20 years exp! advanced SQL, xml, odbc, etc. refs avail upon req).

ya - thanks gear!

I JUST SENT IN MY BALLOT

I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU PUT #1

"HOW TO BE"

THAKN U

IT TOUCHED ME EMOTIONALLY

IT TAUGHT ME... HOW TO BE

...A VAMPIRE

i got paid for that this xmas, it was great.

not for being a vampire, for being the star of that movie

i put it at #1 too, so that should get it on the countdown

and i know it's in morbs's top 10 somewhere

best music of 2k9 ballot in. now to get to work on this.

no discussion of "oasis" here. i haven't made my ballot yet, but that could make it. anyone else rate it? i thought the characters were really well drawn, and the disabilities didn't seem like narrative devices (or oscar bait, like they would in an american version).

(although wikipedia says the actress did win a lot of awards for it, so i guess it was still awards bait even minus the oscars.)

Already sent in my ballot, but I watched Mulholland Drive last night, and shit me that's a good film.

sent ballot.

some weird films are in the running for the top 10

Good weird or bad weird?

Weird is always good.

At least as far as lists go.

weird is always good, yes. hopefully it will remain this way as the rest of the ballots roll in (still waiting on the rest of the film mafia...)

no discussion of "oasis" here. i haven't made my ballot yet, but that could make it. anyone else rate it? i thought the characters were really well drawn, and the disabilities didn't seem like narrative devices (or oscar bait, like they would in an american version).

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 22 January 2010 02:09 (17 hours ago) Permalink

(although wikipedia says the actress did win a lot of awards for it, so i guess it was still awards bait even minus the oscars.)

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 22 January 2010 02:10 (17 hours ago)

yeah, oasis is great. it's about middle of the pack on my ballot. I wish moon so-ri had had a stronger career. after she did oasis and a good lawyer's wife back-to-back, I was expecting her to become the distaff choi min-sik of korean cinema, but I don't think she was in anything of note after that.

a good lawyer's wife is in my top 10. it's one of my favorite korean films, but it never had distribution in the US. it's also hard to find an uncensored version of it in print on DVD. a damn shame. one of the most unsettling films I've ever seen.

yeah i would really like to see good lawyer's wife.

Apparently I've seen Oasis, but I don't remember anything about it.

this may jog yr recollect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7YNo_b16ws

although god the english titles there make it sound like benny & joon or something.

Vaguely.

This is the problem with watching one or two movies a night on Netflix is that even if a movie is good sometimes it just doesn't stick with you.

I would like everyone who hasn't voted to ~re-screen~ Nobody Knows if you haven't considered it. This film is really brutally intense and the lead kid is really incredible... one of my favorite performances of the 00s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFgz-tE09_k

^ have had that on my shelf for years w/o watching

it's right next to tears of the black tiger

aka so many films on the nom list I still need to see

This is the problem with watching one or two movies a night on Netflix is that even if a movie is good sometimes it just doesn't stick with you.

i know. sometimes i'll read about something somewhere and think it sounds interesting and go to add it to my queue and realize i've already rated it...

have had that on my shelf for years w/o watching

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, January 22, 2010 1:14 PM (14 minutes ago)

it is not the easiest movie to watch so i understand your hesitation, but it made my top 40 easily.

"sometimes i'll read about something somewhere and think it sounds interesting and go to add it to my queue and realize i've already rated it..."

Yup that's how I knew I'd already seen Oasis!

Nobody Knows on the other hand Netflix has been trying to push on me for years, but I've manage to resist cuz the cover looked stupid.

I preferred the other 3 Kore-eda films I've seen, incl his latest Still Walking, to Nobody Knows.

also I don't think I have any Korean films near my top 40.

I am a China guy.

I am korea guy

did you see memories of murder?

I'm a Japan guy.

I am a China guy.

PRC or ROC? (or are you counting them together, you conciliator?)

Although more Korean films made my top 40 for whatever reason.

did you see memories of murder?

wonder if this will outplace zodiac

im an america guy you sickening commies

They are getting along OK!

I almost put Memories of Murder on the top 100 list I recently submitted -- I very well might have if I'd had time to RESCREEN -- but there are other films I'd remembered better.

I mean, China and Taiwan^

it is not the easiest movie to watch so i understand your hesitation

I love disturbing movies! has more to do w/ time management tbh, it's like 2+ hours long

I would indeed put MoM ahead of Zodiac.

memories of murder = middle of the pack on my ballot

"I would indeed put MoM ahead of Zodiac."

I put MoM ahead of Zodiac too. But MoM was in my top ten so it was ahead of almost everything.

I put Dude, Where's My Car? ahead of both.

i would recommend a screening of MoM for anyone who hasn't seen in, especially if they plan on voting in this poll. also: the first 'election' film. i'm not saying votes for such films might make things even more interesting, i'm just saying.

goes without saying

xp

Election was also in my top ten.

i think i liked 'triad election' almost as much, but the ending of 'election' just 100% owns so i voted for that one myself.

election owns so hard

triad is great but the first one really kicks a lot of ass

'triad' kinda takes it into more fucked-up territory but i think the first is more affecting just w/r/t the final twist.

I liked both, but the first is the far better film (mostly because the best characters died in the first one. . .)

that scene with the dogs in triad kinda gave me nightmares

i'm kinda waiting to see if anyone dares to vote for 'crash'

so as someone who hasn't seen near-enough (new) non-u.s. films this decade -- and who's already voted -- what would people say are five from the noms list i should check out? (you can assume japanese exploitation flicks and most of the big-name euro directors have been covered.) for instance, and perhaps shamefully, all the korean films named in the last 30 posts are blind spots.

and i too gravitate more toward the "disturbing" end of the spectrum more than the "domestic drama" end (i.e., my heart probably lies more with miike than ozu at the end of the day), but i'm open to anything.

if you like "disturbing"

'memories of murder'
'inside' aka 'À l’intérieur'
'election'
'triad election'
'martyrs'

and 'time out' isn't exactly disturbing but it's pretty dope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cUFG-yqPbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUsz12kSQU

just sent my ballot

finally watched syndromes and a century the other day. still processing it, but it's safe to say it'll make my vote. definitely helped to have seen his other movies first, because this felt like one where he was pulling a lot of things in those together. he's really inventing his own whole vocabulary. (tho this was also the first one where i felt some lynch influence, particularly in the 2nd half, a few touches here and there -- which is not of course a bad thing.)

tipsy, send me a message if you want a copy of a good lawyer's wife.

thx wmc

if i don't get ballots from nrq, alfred soto, and l0u1s jagg3r this poll will be a failure~

cool, sent you an ilx-mail edward.

voted.

I need to get my act together and do this.

i found the key was to not care below about 10th place

Yeah, ranking 40 movies is sort of daunting. I could see myself losing interest after a while.

that is what happened to me. i have my 5-10 that i love with the fire of a thousand suns though.

rewatched zodiac last night, which is what held up my ballot. it was not as compelling as i remember it.

yeah i dumped the 40 idea after i realized i was spending an hour reordering movies that are all "equally good" and just subbed 20.

Moulin Rouge ftw.

...

The silent majority will make it happen. Or maybe Juno, cuz ilx, as one voice, loved Juno. iirc.

ditched the plan to watch more films first and voted. no shorts!

Just rewatched The Virgin Suicides, which really is about boys.

it is, and i suppose the book is too (i haven't read it), but s.c. turns it into this interesting reversal where the boys are being watched by her as they watch the girls. and give or take a gus van sant, it's hard to imagine many male directors objectifying josh hartnett so dreamily... (and with the perfect song too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrxQvni2xXM

if i don't get ballots from nrq, alfred soto, and l0u1s jagg3r this poll will be a failure~

Glad I opened this thread!

; D

Josh Hartnett becoming middle-aged hardcase Michael Pare is perfect, too.

also omar, I've seen the cream of Alfred's list; be careful what you wish for. ;)

You creamed when you saw my list.

...

really don't want to submit a ballot; my viewing habits and tastes have changed *so* dramatically over the past 6 months that i'm terrified my list would omit tens of films i haven't seen that would easily displace what's there

like, the idea of putting 'irreversible' in my top 3 now seems ludicrous, but it's what i'd have done without question until...hell, mere weeks ago

it might still make top 10 mind

don't worry about that, LJ, i'm sure everyone who has voted will--in the next few months--see several films from the '00s that would have placed if they'd seen them in time (this is why i'm sure someone will run another ILX '00s poll in five more years.)

ok but the irresponsible mind of a dilettante is being unleashed on yr poll. just be thankful being john malkovitch was 1999 ;)

I'm not sure the Virgin Suicides (book) is about boys really, or at least, I suspect the film must be pretty different to give that impression. I've not seen it cus my gf warned me away&it seemed like a bad/odd book to adapt. I thought josh hartnett must make a good trip fontaine tho.

the other issue is that compared to past joys i'm now aware of, the majority of 00's film (of the stuff i've seen) pales in comparison :(

I have been working out my list, then I saw The Piano Teacher last night, and my list remains unchanged.

Waaaaiiiit is this "The Fashionistas" the hardcore porno?

― girl moves (Abbott), Wednesday, January 6, 2010 12:07 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

lol what the hell, who nominated this

i don't think i have even seen 40 movies produced in this decade?

hope you didn't stumble across Norbit on TV the other night. I can assure you that you can leave it off your ballot.

ha i'm with gbx, i probably havent seen more than 75 or so, so my ballot'll prob be lame. looking forward to the results tho

Fashionistas = 280 minutes!!

haha, i voted way too american tbh, regret not putting some desplechin on there

Fashionistas did win a lot of awards:

Awards

* 2004 AVN Award for Top Renting Release of the Year[1]
* 2004 AVN Award for Best DVD[1]
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Actress — Film - Taylor St. Claire
* 2003 AVN Award for All-Girl Sex Scene — Film - Belladonna & Taylor St. Claire [1]
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Anal Sex Scene — Film - Kate Frost & Rocco Siffredi[1]
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Director — Film - John Stagliano
* 2003 AVN Award for Best DVD
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Editing — Film - Tricia Devereaux & John Stagliano[1]
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Film[1]
* 2003 AVN Award for Group Sex Scene — Film - Taylor St. Claire, Sharon Wild & Rocco Siffredi
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Oral Sex Scene — Film - Belladonna & Rocco Siffredi[1]
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Supporting Actress — Film - Belladonna
* 2003 AVN Award for Best Tease Performance - Belladonna
* 2003 AVN Award for Top Renting Tape of the Year
* 2002 XRCO Award for Best Girl-Girl Scene - Belladonna & Taylor St. Clair
* 2002 XRCO Award for Best Actor - Rocco Siffredi
* 2002 XRCO Award for Best Actress - Belladonna
* 2002 XRCO Award for Best Group Scene - Friday, Taylor St. Clair, Sharon Wild & Rocco Siffredi
* 2002 XRCO Award for Best Male-Female Scene - Taylor St. Clair & Rocco Siffredi

Rocco Siffredi was in one of the movies on my ballot!

(I suspect most people would probably rather watch Fashionistas than Anatomy of Hell, tho.)

argh scrolling down this list and so much is uninspiring or unseen!

btw if Pan's Labyrinth wins then I hate you all

tbh if you guys don't really feel comfortable with your choices beyond a certain point, you can submit a ballot with less than 40 (no less than 20 though.) i'd rather you rep for films you really dig than just fill up the bottom slots with films you're "ok" with.

WHO NOMINATED QUANTUM OF SOLACE

did lou jag just get into movies or something?

heaven forfend

yeah, it happened a couple of months ago. he's still settling down. hope he finds his marillion.

THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF CINEMA

just go w/ yr gut man.

if i know your taste, jags, your votes may end up making a big difference. you never know. ¯\(°_o)/¯

really don't want to submit a ballot; my viewing habits and tastes have changed *so* dramatically over the past 6 months that i'm terrified my list would omit tens of films i haven't seen that would easily displace what's there

you're joking, please tell me you're joking.

i'm not joking. but i am compiling a ballot. am not submitting it yet because i'm going to watch 'let the right one in' before submitting, just in case. it includes a movie i haven't seen but am in.

also cheers folks! just need to make sure i don't get stuck in a mulch of postwar european art-house :-/

what are you terrified of? It's not like your ballot will be tattooed on your chest for future romantic interests to point at and laugh.

i'm terrified of voting for movies that i'll regard as mediocre in a matter of months - but it's gotta be done

i found the key was to not care below about 10th place

― caek, Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:00 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

i think i forgot to put pans labyrinth on tho, oh well

yay!

yay!

pans labyrinth is awesome f u all

yeah pans labyrinth kind of the spanish bomb

probs won't make my list because of its favour with the uk middle class tho

xpost More like the Mexican siesta.

yay!

¡yay!

more like the 'oh we're gonna spend so much care and attention on these CGI monsters that we'll forget to put characters or plot in our movie' tapas bar

weird! i sort of remember a plot! and also, characters! but maybe i am thinking of a different movie?

tapas bars are awesome.

you are thinking of 'the third man' iirc

that reminds me - should post Joseph Cotten to a ws thread!

movie people are weird tbh, music is better

ws music people

wait, there's still music?

rap "music"

Pan's Labyrinth somewhat overrated del Toro.

Children of Men is way cornier, in a liberal stoner Dem way, than I had recalled.

How could you have missed that the first time around?

Lotsa distracting Dolby fireworks in the theater to take one's mind off it.

At least it's about something besides other movies tho, eh.

I know. I'm a fan of both the movie and its lefty-but-still-kinda-Christ-loving undercurrent.

I like CoM. Morbs, Mulholland Dr is your (and possibly my) #1 and a large part of that movie is about *film* imo. Do you draw a distinction between movies that are to some extent about film, and those that are about other films?

i liked the use of "Court of the Crimson King" in CoM - that was probably the best part.

Mulholland Dr is about tons of deeply terrifying human traits, along with movies.

Still love the end credits of CoM wrapping up w/ "Cunts are still running the world..." I do LIKE the movie, it kind of billboards all its contemporary allusions alas.

If Mulholland doesn't take this poll, I'll be pretty shocked.

i found it overwrought and dull, tbh.

If Norbit doesn't take this poll, I'll be pretty shocked.

I wonder what sarahel's opinions on Norbit are

Snakes on a Plane >>>> Mulholland Dr.

There are not even any hot lesbian action in SoaP, WTF?!

Starting with Lost Highway, I've been bored with every David Lynch film I've seen, though I'd probably appreciate a David Lynch directed Snakes on a Plane 2

If Norbit doesn't eat this poll, I'll be pretty shocked.

I've never been a huge Lynch fan TIL Mulholland Dr!

Sorta ditto, except Eraserhead.

Well, and the entire Twin Peaks franchise.

And Blue Velvet isn't exactly bad or anything.

Come to think of it, Lynch has been pretty consistently entertaining. Good work, David Lynch.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/02/david_lynch_wideweb__470x317,0.jpg

Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, and Elephant Man are the only Lynch movies I liked - Lost Highway was "get over your mid-life crisis motherfucker" for me, and then it just went downhill from there.

Yeah, it's a real shame people get to direct movies after they turn 35.

I'm sorry, but I've seen a lot better mid-life crisis movies than Lost Highway.

go INLAND EMPIRE!

i'm glad i don't ruin Lynch movies for myself by pretending they're just about his mid-life crisis. anyway, Eraserhead was a lot more mid-life-crisis-y than anything he's made since.

there's no pretending about it - that's how Lost Highway came across to me. The other aspects of that movie just weren't all that interesting.

Robert Blake in Lost Highway is scarier than anything in MD/IE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT2cJg8lut8

also patricia arquette is all sorts of 90s hot in this!

i like lost highway. i do like mulholland dr more but lost highway is spookier, which is one aspect in its favor.

Robert Blake = no fun

Lynch said he realized years later that LH was subconsciously influenced by the OJ trial.

mulholland dr (and triad election) wld probably have made my list if i had done a full 40 ballot - i liked them both a fair bit when i watched them but have no real desire to watch them again

yeah pans labyrinth kind of the spanish bomb

not as good as the devil's backbone tho lol

my big hope is that enuff ppl other than me voted for either of fatih akin's films that got nom'd - hes probably my favorite director of the decade

I voted for Head-On.

was kind of sad doing my ballot realizing how predictable my taste is

ha i was relooking at mine just now and its (slightly) less pseudish and silly than i remembered - i only have 2 us films and 1 us/france coprod in my top ten

not thats sum measure of good taste - just that is less lol statham and teen movie than i remembered otw

i voted for head-on! Akin is dope

jaymc and amateurist need to vote too. is amateurist still around??

check the obscurophile threads on I Love Vinyl.

zing?

nah that would be more like "check the obscurophile threads on I Love Archaic Mac Operating Systems"

haha

I'd be interested to see an am ballot.

"lol statham and teen movie"

:'-(

my ballot includes one statham movie, snakes on a plane, and a bunch of "arty" films - no shame.

i like lost highway. i do like mulholland dr more but lost highway is spookier, which is one aspect in its favor.

I agree. But I did need both films explained to me by the internet several years after I'd seen them.

I must be awfully bad with the search function but I can't seem to find the best movies of the nineties thread. Anyone care to help me with that, I'd love to see what placed for the previous decade.

POLL RESULTS: TOP 100 FILMS OF THE 1990's

thx a lot!

i *may* expand the list from 75 to 100 depending on how many ballots come in over the next week.

i've looked at a few other film polls (the '60s, '80s, and '90s ones) and so far it appears the number of ballots may have exceeded those polls! keep 'em coming in!

No reason this can't be 100, unless the work load is prohibitive.

each time a ballot comes in i just add it to the spreadsheet and add it all up again, which takes just a couple of minutes. so far close to 550 different films have received votes.

I'm not volunteering to tabulate anything, but is this hard because people don't copy the titles exactly for their ballots? Cuz otherwise it seems like pretty simple stuff.

xp, poisson noise

there's a statistical error associated on each score that is about 10 x sqrt(number of people who voted for it) due to who actually turns out, etc. same things that happens in polling giving ±3 per cent on "is obama a muslim?" or whatever. you probably want actual score / [10 x sqrt(# of voters) to be above 5 for the results to be meaningful, but (i) it's an ILX poll (ii) why not.

PARTY TIME.

if a title's a little off, it's not too much of an issue. the biggest "issue" is i have "the" titles organized like this: (core, the) but a lot of folks send it in like this (the core). still not a big deal.

bump ^_^

thy kingdom come this will be done (in the next few days)

I should probably just send mine in, I keep hoping I'll get a chance to watch another 00s movie before the deadline

but I'm more likely to forget and miss the deadline

I'm having problems with the email, even following your gmail instructions upthread.

doesn't bode well for morbs ballot

if you continue to have trouble just send it to me via an ilx message, i'll check there as well.

Decasia isn't on the film list.

you can still vote for it! i'll even add it right now.

sent.

yes! decasia! now I'm glad I didn't send my ballot

wow, that'll make at least 3 of us.

it's top 10 for me, can't believe I forgot it

+ makes me wonder what else I'm forgetting

finally got my list in! i even threw in a vote for the worst movie of the decade.
it had to be done.

I have been avoiding this thread as I've been all polled out, but I think I will actually send in a ballot. Thanks for adding Decasia in there, as that will be pretty high on mine (and I always need the noms list to refer to as my memory is terrible).

For those of you who haven't voted, can I please remind you all to vote for Songs From the Second Floor? Okay, thanks.

yes please vote, based on what y'all have been saying i think your votes will shake things up considerably : D

Haha, I don't know, right now my ballot sheet looks like it's top 5 'serious art-house movie is serious', then music docs, and then the rest is early 00s US dreck that I still have a soft spot for. Ah well.

i'm pretty sure mine is going to be radically different than most others.
especially emily.

Is your number one My Big Fat Greek Wedding?

mine was.

got my shortlist down to 84. now the fun starts.

ha ha - no - but Fubar is on the list! :o

bump

(ballots due at the end of the day tuesday!!)

speaking of lee chang dong, I still haven't watched secret sunshine

omar did u get mine

i got yours, thanks bro

;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-DZHoxW3UY

^ for some reason no US distribution, even though do-yeon jeon won best actress at cannes

plus a golden palm nom

Mark - i wanna see your list!

ok so i decided this will be a top 100 based upon the number of ballots and different films that have received votes, with more sure to come in (i hope???)

how did I forget PAPRIKA

my fave animated movie of the 00s

omar can you add to the nominees so I can be the only person to vote for it

done~

Please add the stunningly great "Un Prophete" to the list.

added, now you must vote for it -_-

just sent. the first ever ilx poll i have voted in iirc.

awesome~

:)

how many ballots we up to~

psyched ur doin 100 btw

51 or 52 ballots i think

I can send another if that's cool.

Voted. Good exercise, very good decade in film.

thx dood

I am waiting till the last minute

i might finish my ballot tonight. i'm making myself wait until i do part of this boring corporate freelance thing i have to finish by monday.

So why did this caek character get all bitchy with me when I dared to suggest that people could vote for whatever films they wanted to vote for (i.e., not on any nomination list) when that's exactly what's happened?

Dunno. It's always been kosher to vote for whatever you want in these polls. Nominations are just guidelines.

how did I forget PAPRIKA

Fuck, I wish I hadn't sent my ballot in yet, I def would have voted for this one too.

i didn't? but good job on being daring.

gonna have a mod change this thread title a bit....

sent my ballot in last night. already feeling bad about things i left off (never mind all the things i haven't seen), but what the hell.

thx mod

i still hope to get 10-15 more ballots in btw, i know i can count on you good people

i'm guessing my 5 points for southland tales will not put it over the top.

among Seann Wm Scott's work, Dude, Where's My Car? is better science fiction.

I actually like both of those films.

My ballot, like all of my ilx ballots to date, will most likely come in at the last minute. Apologies as I know it makes it more of a hassle, but at least up until then you can say 'we still have more to come'.

among Seann Wm Scott's work

i think the word you are looking for is oeuvre.

dude, where's my oeuvre?

^^^good official results title...

either that or VOTES FROM A MOTHAFUCKIN POLL

or ITT: HITLER FINDS OUT RESULTS OF 2000s FILM POLL

ballots accepted until midnight tuesday night, pacific time!

you got mine, right?

yessir

there's a lot more i would've voted for if caek hadn't been such a hardass :(

he's an unpredictable guy, there are many layers to him

do i frighten you? do you want me to?

did a run-through of deleting films off my shortlist and now looking over it it just feels wrong. hmm...

also seems very English-language oriented, which is a little surprising.

60 ballots now i think

if i don't get ballots from nrq, alfred soto, and l0u1s jagg3r this poll will be a failure~

― ('_') (omar little), Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:40 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

aw

got it down to 45. coupla surprises :D

also seems very English-language oriented, which is a little surprising.

just counted, mine was 21 english-speaking, including one "foreign film" (dogville) and one dubbed one (spirited away). subtracting the one more-or-less-british movie (children of men) leaves 18 american movies, including one by a crazy german (grizzly man). the rest break down as 7 chinese (counting taiwan), 5 japanese, 2 thai and one each from denmark, romania, senegal, france, iran, argentina and korea.

at least for US-distributed foreign films, this was not a great decade. The only reason they'll be about half of my 40 is that the domestic stuff was even worse.

If nrq is participating, someone should make theirs all-foreign-lang just for balance....

calling films "foreign language" is anglocentric bs. for some people ALL of my picks are foreign language. so think on!

for some people ALL of my picks are foreign language

~~deep~~

also: images are a universal language man

you've been writing the Academy Awards, eh

nrq, despite our many irreconcilable diffs I have enough respect for your intellect that I was shocked when you said your 10 best of the decade were all-Anglo. Please rethink (maybe you have and that's what the "surprises" are).

i just had a couple of ballots sent in that caused one film to go from just outside the top 100 all the way to #54, so remember that your votes can get films lift films you love up where they belong (joe cocker voice)

Are there still some 'weird' films in the top 10 or have they dropped out?

there are a couple in contention still....

now comes the time where i re-lobby for 'election' (johnnie to, 2005, hong kong) and memories of murder.

i've gone through this thread, the decatrius thread, and the blog linked to at the top in search of foreign films to pick.

it's not looking good. but there's more than one in the top 40.

the way i square the 'death of cinema' circle is pretty much that, tbh, i think european cinema was better in the 60s and 70s -- in the end that's the golden age, for me. i just don't see big figures like peak-era resnais, antonioni, herzog, losey, in the decades since.

but american genre movies and entertainment, in the 00s, i thought these were p strong.

http://www.international.rai.it/diffusione/img/cartine/asia.gif

http://www.izea.net/images/africa.gif

i haven't watched every asian film that ppl have talked about, not going to front. but i've seen a lot of contenders and im not voting for them. i did see one i though was good, by the dp of 'platform' (which i couldn't abide itself), but i've forgotten it almost entirely. possibly post-apocalyptic.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384804/

maybe i'll include it anyways as a token gesture.

that sounds pretty good, actually.

i haven't watched every asian film that ppl have talked about, not going to front.

me either by a long shot. but asian cinema has been in a golden age of sorts for the past 20 years or so, even if what you're saying about europe is true. (which i'm not totally conceding, but i can see the case for it.)

"asian cinema has been in a golden age of sorts for the past 20 years or so"

yeah, im not unaware of it, and i've put in the man-hours (well... i did till a few years ago), but... im just not feeling it. there's one asian auteur im semi-ashamed not to have caught up with ("joe"), but HHH, WKW, edward yang, jia, tsai ming-liang -- i'd love to say "i admire them but don't like them", and maybe that's what i should leave it as, and do some rescreening one day before deciding whether i mean it.

i mean, i gave a positive review to kiarostami's "shirin", anything is possible.

HHH, WKW, edward yang, jia, tsai ming-liang

Not liking one, even two of these directors in the '00s is understandable. Not liking any of them is kind of a lifestyle choice.

I also, probably, don't agree a whole lot with ...

american genre movies and entertainment, in the 00s, i thought these were p strong

... but I guess there WAS the Spielberg renaissance and a few entertaining horror movies in the mix.

OK, just counted out my ballot.

English - 22, though 2 or 3 of those are arguably not at all based in verbal language
from Asiatic countries - 9
does Russia count as Asia? - 1
from France - 4
from inferior Europe - 3
music/decay is the universal language - 1

I might appreciate (bullshit word i know) a few of their films more, but fwiw Up The Yangtze actually resonated more than anything from the chinese/taiwanese, um, 'auteurs' this decade.

i re-lobby for 'election' (johnnie to, 2005, hong kong) and memories of murder.

oh don't worry Memories figures into my list somewhere, should have it out today or tomorrow!

I watched Up the Yangtze and Still Life pretty close together and would definitely give the nod to the former.

I'm sure Memories of Murder rules, because The Host is so good. Wish I could find it at my store, because I don't want to start doing Netflix.

HHH, WKW, edward yang, jia, tsai ming-liang

Not liking one, even two of these directors in the '00s is understandable. Not liking any of them is kind of a lifestyle choice.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:17 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think im being called a racist here?

n e way: i think WKW did some ok stuff in the 90s. not much more to it than very stylish, but it was very stylish.

HHH -- my favourite of his (that i've seen, natch) is 'a time to live and a time to die', which was from about 1986? 87? i'd like the chance to see more of his earlier stuff on the big screen. i have 'millenium mambo' on dvd!

yi-yi is fine, haven't seen since ~march 2001. maybe i'd get more from it now.

tsai ming-liang -- i have never been more bored than watching this dude. im sure it's great but i am shallow and kick-hungry.

jia -- liked 'unknown pleasures' enough, but god not 'platform'.

looking at this, im kind of thinking that european cinema fifty years ago was "coming to terms with modernity" (muriel, l'eclisse) in a manner not unlike these guys. so i do see why it's interesting in theory.

movies I wanted to see before submitting ballot

Secret Sunshine
Amores Perros
Anvil!
Talk to Her
Election
Time Out
Hunger
Nobody Knows
Tears of the Black Tiger

movies I managed to watch before submitting ballot
Secret Sunshine
Election

Wish I could find it at my store, because I don't want to start doing Netflix.

does not compute

I mean, the way I managed to watch election was via netflix's on demand service

i think im being called a racist here?

No, I'm just having a fun.

it's aight anyway. im aware it's an oversight, and that i should make a bit more of an effort.

i don't know if you like johnnie to, i *think* some of his flicks might be up your alley. and if you like 'zodiac' (i don't recall if you do), then 'memories of murder' is one to check out (if you haven't yet)

I'm more concerned with resistance to Netflix. Now that IS a lifestyle choice.

i made an abortive HK run last year, tried 'triangle', didn't do it for me.

this is bad but i haven't seen 'old boy'. kind of violent im told?

but n e way im "lovefilming" (uk netflix) 'MoM'.

you make netflix sound like the borg

xp

this is bad but i haven't seen 'old boy'. kind of violent im told?

yeah there are some toe-curling scenes in that involving clawhammers+teeth & scissors+tongue

old boy is pretty violent but it's not necessarily super-graphic cf. french horror or miike, it's just kinda fucked up and makes you wince.

i actually think the most disturbing violence i've seen on film lately might be in the two 'election' films

I'm not a big HK fan either

the best two HK movies I've seen, election and infernal affairs, didn't make my ballot (sorry omar)

I'm more concerned with resistance to Netflix. Now that IS a lifestyle choice.

You bet! Returning discs unwatched to the NYPL is good enough for me.

thought the violence in election was pretty standard scorsese-type mob brutality, can't say anything in there made me wince

now a clawhammer twisting out a front tooth otoh

i've said it before but the fishing trip where stoic simon yam reveals his true colors kinda messed with my head

messed with big d's head too amirite

you ain't kiddin~

it kinda reminded me of warren oates primitive neutralization of jack nicholson's gunslinger in the shooting

secret sunshine was v v good

not as unique as oasis due to the familiar melodrama of the plotline (it's a korean patch on kieslowski's blue) but some memorably wrenching scenes, do-yeon jeon really earned that best actress @ cannes

didn't make the ballot tho

I'm more concerned with resistance to Netflix. Now that IS a lifestyle choice.

You bet! Returning discs unwatched to the NYPL is good enough for me.

Amen, Morbs! How do I VIOLENTLY oppose Netflix? Let me count the ways (not here, though - some snowy night in front of the fire).

netflix might be the borg, but it's a borg that has brought me an awful lot of good things. a pleasure borg, you could say. (on my shelf right now, in its red envelope -- the mirror, which i've never seen and which it might be hard for me to find at any of my local video joints on the upper west side -- nevermind when i move back to tennessee).

while we're at it, motherfuck a printing press

I'm an illuminated manuscript man

how many monks did that piece of shit gutenberg put out of work

ballot is currently

20 US
14 AZN
4 Europe
1 Brasil
1 Canada

did you submit your ballot yet?

Team Netflix all the way!

Netflix on demand is pretty great - similar to the spontaneity of picking something out at the video store, only you can do it at 2am

btw to those who have already voted and followed up to correct errors or oversights on their ballots, i got 'em and fixed 'em. and i got the movie blurbs from those who have sent them as well. if people don't submit blurbs, it's cool. i'm just going to do a search for blurbs from old comments anyway.

the mirror, which i've never seen and which it might be hard for me to find at any of my local video joints on the upper west side

I find it baffling that you couldn't find a copy of it somewhere on the upper west side (Tarkovsky's I'm assuming although I'm sure Panahi's is just as easy to find). Hence ONE of my many objections to Netflix (which have absolutely nothing to do with Luddism - a joke if you knew me).

Cue people who didn't read closely enough and then start moaning "But I live in Paris, Illinois! I don't have access to rad video stores!"

i live in los angeles and i use netflix pretty heavily but i use it mainly for films that are more difficult to track down. there's an incredible store near me that i go to for new releases, most criterion dvds, documentaries, and tv series. and the nearest public library actually has most criterion dvds too.

Without Netflix I wouldn't have seen the work of Hou, Tsai, Assayas, and most Criterion releases. Thanks, Netflix.

Cue people who didn't read closely enough and then start moaning "But I live in Paris, Illinois! I don't have access to rad video stores!"

Read what closely enough? Seriously, is there a better alternative for those who live in Paris, Illinois?

surprised not to see a single Zhang Yimou film on the nominations list!

My favourite is Curse of the Golden Flower because it's so OTT

xxpost Haha I knew it would happen.

xxxpost Soto, I saw Flowers of Shanghai for free on film in the cinema paradise and hipster mecca that is...Milwaukee. You're seriously telling me no Hou films have been shown in Miami and environs (that is where you're at, right?)?

xxpost Haha I knew it would happen.

Well at least you're aware of your urban chauvinism.

Milwaukee has something like 1.5 million people. That's not exactly cultural nowhereland.

I want to have Netflix' little shiny round 5" babies.

haven't submitted yet, still tweaking

I find it baffling that you couldn't find a copy of it somewhere on the upper west side

tbh i haven't explored the video offerings here in depth (because, you know, i have netflix) but all i've seen while walking around is the occasional blockbuster. there really aren't very many video stores anymore. and of course add to that the difficulty i have going anywhere at all because of having two small kids, and, basically ... something showing up in my mailbox (or streaming onto my computer) is just pretty hard to beat.

and i mean, i get an actual chance to go to the actual big-screen movies maybe a dozen times a year, if i plan well enough. which, in a way, makes it easier to leave new york, since i've barely been able to enjoy its cinematic abundance for the past 5 years.

A typically humane and perfectly reasonable response from M. Mothra. And because of that, I will now be your personal Netflix. Send me your snail mail address (via FB or whatever) and you will receive a repulsive amount of comically rare films to watch in the comfort of your own home for free.

i just re-joined netflix because i realized i hadn't seen and liked enough of the nominees in this poll to vote. the selection of dvds at the public library sux here (though it seems like the librarians are really trying), there aren't any places showing everything, and i can't just buy them.

obviously i'm not reading closely enough but i don't know what i'm supposed to do to see the stuff i'd like to, even in a fairly big city

that is an offer too good to resist kjb. i sent you an FB mssg.

at the end of this poll i'll reveal the complete list of films that received votes but finished out of the top 100

I would very likely use Netflix if I lived in East Buttfuck, Illinois.

Just got The Limits of Control from the library, but won't have time to watch before I vote. So that's why this should be done in June.

What the fuck is wrong with Netflix? I just watched both Election films on a whim thanks to Watch Instantly. Not sure how a cashier would have helped the experience.

Apologies if this has been covered already, but is it acceptable to submit an unranked list or, possibly, a staggered list w/ ten or so ranked & the rest given the same point spread? There a lot of films I'd like to vote for, but once I get beyond the top ten or so, any ranking of preferences will become mostly arbitrary.

the way i had it figured, it was either 40 pts down to 1 pt for #40-1, or breaking it down evenly it would be 20.5 pts for each film voted for. i've had several voters do the latter option, if that's not a problem for you.

about 36 hours to go...

wait, i mean 48 hours.

finally stopped hemming and hawing and sent in my dumb popcorn movie ballot

excellent : D

thanks mod

Soto, I saw Flowers of Shanghai for free on film in the cinema paradise and hipster mecca that is...Milwaukee. You're seriously telling me no Hou films have been shown in Miami and environs (that is where you're at, right?)?

That's correct. And film distribution, remember, was better fifteen years ago. A city of two million people boasts one art house (attached to the University of Miami, which barely counts)

Just sent mine!

closing in on 70 ballots~

Did u get mine?

got it!

sent mine

thanks morbs. however you are only allowed to vote once for 'knocked up', not thrice

;-)

consarn it!

really looking forward to the results btw. just about kept on top of arthouse until 2003 or so, but so much done passed me by since then.

just realized that my top 4 are all arguably or partly movies-about-movies. (probably other ones on my list are too if i think about it, but those 4 kind of stand out.)

also, i have movies on my list by four different directors named david. if i'd managed to squeeze i heart huckabees on there i could have had five. i guess i like directors named david.

okay mine's in too

xpost yeah i've noticed the david thing before. it's a suitable name for technical artists?

Sent mine in - bottom 20 are pretty much alphabetical, it was too hard to rank them.

sent

thanks!

getting towards 75(!) ballots now

also, i have movies on my list by four different directors named david. if i'd managed to squeeze i heart huckabees on there i could have had five. i guess i like directors named david.

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, February 1, 2010 5:20 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.flixray.com/dvd_covers/200510/25164.jpg

looking fwd to seeing how this places

my #5!

pure joy.

i guess i like directors named david.

Fincher, Lynch, Cronenberg, Mamet?

I've seen House of D, but I have no memory at all of Robin Williams being in it.

his performance is perfect

Fincher, Lynch, Cronenberg, Mamet?

no mamet -- gordon green.

Oh of course!

To be fair, I just did this.

And actually, you know what, I have all four of those Davids on my ballot, plus David Wain.

what time are these due tomorrow exactly?

I would like to know this as well.

i was gonna say midnight PST but i'll probably be asleep before then anyway, so anytime overnight is cool as well. i will have a mod change the thread title to BALLOTS CLOSED when it's all done.

ok, thanks. i'm not entirely sure i'm sending a ballot tbh, there's so much i haven't seen and generally i'm not real keen on list making

list making is what makes the world go round!

I like making lists - I don't like ranking things but I'm going to try to do this anyway.

I felt comfortable with how I ranked my 1-15 or so, and then the rest was really loose. If they make the final list, awesome. If not, I'm cool with that too.

my rankings were executed with scientific precision and calculated to the sixteenth decimal point. it took me a month just to build the software.

http://imgur.com/qj3h4.jpg

good luck usa!!!

did it!

sent. soz for ruining your poll with the obvious but hey, everyone should participate.

ok, i voted! i think my number 1 will win this, but i truly believe it is the best of the decade.

just realized that my top 4 are all arguably or partly movies-about-movies.

including MUNICH?

ice cr?am = poll ruined

morbs look on facebook if u want to see my amazing ballot

btw munich is not on it

tho honestly that was an oversight

haha

this is gonna be like People's Choice Awards.

because there are people choosing

I can't decide what I'd enjoy more... getting a whole list of recommended films to see, or having my pedestrian tastes validated.

i repped for some of ile's most bad & hated, hoping it pays off!

hah im starting to look forward to this

I'm sure yr taste mirrors your "stfu and accept two Republican parties" politics, bnw.

Obama = Mel Gibson