anticipating new Lauren Graham show Parenthood.

was gonna be maura tierney in this role, but she has cancer :(

anyway, new 30something harried mom role for lorelai.

and it will be on at ten p.m. cuzza leno leaving that spot. i'm glad about that.

these shows are kinda made for me. hated the movie with a passion, by the way. but i doubt that will matter much here.

old trailer with maura!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vCDj0tsEp0

new promo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUIK17oJuRA

Lauren Graham
Peter Krause
Craig T. Nelson
Bonnie Bedelia
Monica Potter
Erika Christensen
Sam Jaeger
Dax Shepard
Mae Whitman
Joy Bryant
Sarah Ramos
Miles Heizer

erika christensen! amerikkka's sexxxiest scientologist!

used to have the biggest crush on bonnie bedelia way back when. don't tell anyone.

oh i will def be watching this

<3 Lauren Graham but Maura woulda been better.

on tonight. the pilot. will be watching after lost.

the film is like one of the only decent things adult Ron Howard has been involved with, weird that anyone would hate it...?

Lorelei and Peter Krause were major selling points for me...tivoing this for sure.
Love Craig T.

i could write a VERY long essay on exactly WHY i hate it, but i don't feel like it right now. plus, aren't you famous for hating everything? or is that just people who are dead? i may be remembering wrong.

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and, for what its worth, i don't hate grand theft auto, night shift, splash, gung ho, willow, backdraft, the paper, apollo 13, or a beautiful mind. so it's not like i'm a blind hater of the opie taylor looking motherfucker.

people like things, people dislike things. we move on. (Honestly Scott, you could say you hated, I dunno, sunrise, and I'd still think you were pretty awesome in general).

Let us anticipate the return of Lorelai Graham to the small screen!

I liked it. Not too sappy, but nicely melodramatic.

this has two of my favorite tv people ever on it and is set in berkeley, it is like tailor made for me.

Nice! It's got a lot of promise. Hard to judge just from the pilot, but it feels like it's got good 'ingredients'. Damn that Max is a cute kid.

All of the little "Berkeley" details were hilarious! That Chinese restaurant was fucking weird, and all of the shots of downtown filled with well-kept lawns and clean white people. During the day! On "Shattuck"! And what grownup eats at Oscars ever?!

Also, super weird that Lauren Graham looked for an apartment in the NEWSPAPER?!

At least her mom was sensible enough to tell her not to get an apartment in Emeryville. Everything else was mega-weird.

damn, i wanted to watch this, NBC's been running promos for months but i have NEVER seen one where they actually said what week it's premiering so i totally missed it. bummed about MT, as i've discussed on ilx before, i have a huge irrational dislike of Graham (also should be 40something harried mom by now, surely), but otherwise looks like a good cast.

the chinese restaurant (exterior, at least) actually exists but is in san francisco. not sure about the interior

seems like they've moved away from any actual location shoots in the second epsiode (which was better than the debut, content and pacing-wise), didn't see last night's yet.

Who goes swimming with their entire, huge family at 7:30 in the morning?!

hahaha, they do!

i like this more with each episode.

pilot really couldve used some lighter moments to balance all the tearful my son is retarded garbage

probably will watch more episodes bcuz im a sucker for vaguely naturalistic family dramas but this isnt even close to once & again or even fukken everwood

Definitely not as good as Everwood (never seen Once & Again), but yeah, I will keep watching.

The proper term is "aspie," Lamp.

And I liked that they got a real band to guest on last night's show. Can't remember the last family drama I watched (30-Something? Does that even count?), but I like it enough so far to keep watching too.

still good. lauren graham basically playing lorelai mk. II. only huge duds so far are awful lawyer sister and boring husband. parents are cyphers, dad has been mildly annoying when he's been on honestly.

Liking this so far, but yeah, I'm thinking a lot of the good vibes are Gilmore Girls-related. I mean it's almost unfair to give Lauren another role as a single mom with teenage kid(s) and a supporting/overbearing community, as she can play that awesomely in her sleep. But I guess you gotta play to your strengths.

yeah for all the reservations i have about this show -- mainly that i feel like i'm watching a bunch of likable actors go through the motions of family drama but can't buy any of them as being related to each other -- i am getting into a groove w/ it and enjoying it more with every episode. it's pretty easy to get sappy about watching Parenthood with your 6 month son sitting in your lap, though.

btw i still hate Lauren Graham's stupid chipmunk face and advocate changing the name of this thread to "anticipating new Craig T. Nelson/Peter Krause/Erika Christensen/Dax Shephard/Monica Potter/Joy Bryant show Parenthood."

btw i still hate Lauren Graham's stupid chipmunk face

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yeah i was asking for that and i know it

i support boring lawyer sister as long as she continues to bust out of every lawyer outfit they give her to wear. your puny human clothing can not contain her!

it's pretty easy to get sappy about watching Parenthood with your 6 month son sitting in your lap, though.
^^this, but substitute "daughter" for "son." show is super cornball and sort of poorly plotted, but damn if it hasn't made me well up several times now. IRL parenthood has destroyed my jaded exterior. But yeah, this show is watchable if only for the actors -- don't feel like the writing is worthy of them just yet.

the appeal of this show for me is apparently its ability to make me cringe. that and, um, boring lawyer sister.

its funny too that this show has a doppelganger in modern family sitcom on abc. i proudly watch them both.

cringing just feels good sometimes you know? boring lawyer sister is fairly hot, tis true. and i kinda like Krause's wife, but her hairstyle bugs me.
funny though, i haven't watched one of these mainstream-y family dramas in a while, and I keep expecting, like, *horrible* serious things to happen, but then I remember that it's a mainstream family drama. And I can just relax.

yeah i keep noticing parallels with Modern Family (spazzy maybe-aspie son, gag w/ underdressed mom wondering in front of teen daughter's computer while she's skyping with boyfriend), but MF is better at what it does and also has a bunch of people who don't seem like they're related on purpose.

i think they give Monica Potter super extreme mom hair to seem a little older because she was doing movies opposite Freddie Prinze Jr. less than a decade ago

her hair just seems kind of hard and helmet-like.

so wait, who's in this Modern Family show?

ed bundy

and a hot colombian lady

Modern Family: Ed O'Neil Got Swole

shit. al bundy.

Oh yeah, I wonder if the unaired is out there. It's hard for me to picture Maura Tierney playing Lauren's role right now.

*unaired pilot

Based on the trailer, Tierney Parenthood looked more drama, less cornball. You can kind of see it in how big of a dick Grandpa was in the first ep.

al bundy trying to teach gracie street fighting to his gay son last night was wonderful. i really do like that show. wasn't sure at first cuz i kinda hate the bearded redhead gay guy. or i thought i hated him based on some horrible cbs sitcom he was on that was swiftly cancelled. but i don't mind him so much now.

yeah he's good in MF, i think it was just his character (and equally horrible love interest) on The Class that made him intolerable

that show was just...it was like they went out of their way to create a show with THE most unlikeable characters of all time all in one place.

lol more or less, yeah. glad lizzy caplan got out of it w/ a career though.

and hey! just remembered, Jason Ritter was on that show, and also on this week's Parenthood!

So of all the Friday Night Lights actors to have guest star on this show, they're going with Minka Kelly. I am afraid.

(that's next week, btw, and I think she's doing 3 episodes or something)

1993 Ethan Hawke is gross

Max Medina redux

mother: "Um, this poem is about a flower, right?"

daughter: "I think it might be about your vadge."

that scene killed me. kudos!

Mae Whitman is really great in this.

yeah...the whole storyline w/ her in the last few episodes and how it turned so quickly really felt forced and contrived to me, but her performance was strong throughout.

New season starts tonight.

love this show.

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glad there's a baldwin on the show now, doing a baldwin voice. i knew there was something missing ...

i feel like this thread should be more active considering that 5 people listed Parenthood in the Your Ten Favorite Shows Currently on Television thread. this season's good so far, right back into the groove they'd gotten into by the end of the 2nd season. not wild about the whole Daniel Baldwin plot but I get such major Sports Night flashbacks from them putting Peter Krause in an adversarial situation with someone named Gordon that it almost feels like it must be a deliberate callback.

that's Billy Baldwin!

And yes, I still enjoy this show. It does those big family scenes really well.

I don't really get the subplot with Erika Christensen and her husband. They've mentioned maids, I think, and the daughter's in school. It's not like he's shown waiting on her hand and foot 16 hours a day.

I think there are like 100 million parents raising kids while working outside of the home. Most of the parents I know personally are doing it on their own.

Still a really good show but it would not be any worse if the two nuclear families took a backseat to Lauren Graham, Crosby and Coach.

He's a contractor who can't get work.

haha i swear i know which Baldwin is which! i even explained to my wife which one it was and how to tell them apart when Billy first showed up on Parenthood, but i just had a brain fart writing that post.

i don't get the sense that Dax or Graham are getting the shaft in terms of screentime, particularly so far this season. i do wish they'd ease up sometimes on the Krause/Potter stuff, though. btw kinda ooky that Graham and Krause are now dating irl. screen siblings!

whoa they're dating? weird.

xxp - they said the contractor thing in that one episode with Zeke, but it's always been presented as a choice other than that, he's been stay at home dad since day one. Given the kid's age, that would have been at the height of the housing boom, dude could definitely have kept a crew employed then.

yeah i don't really understand the logistics of his plotline, as a stay-at-home dad with a baby, i kind of identify with that character's feelings and storylines the most, but i don't know if what he's going through is actually realistic for someone with a school-age kid. i can understand his whole "I'm not ready to have another one and start this all over again" fit, though.

i don't know if what he's going through is actually realistic for someone with a school-age kid. i can understand his whole "I'm not ready to have another one and start this all over again" fit, though

it feels p realistic to me & he feels like the more interesting/fruitful character to focus on in that relationship. like not he doesnt have enough time to make crappy furniture out of useless wooden logs or w/e but that he might feel like he doesnt.

crosby's storyline is the one that feels completely implausible to me + hes just physically painful to look at

really though i just wish the storylines were less discrete/self-contained - there has to be something other than crosby wanting to bone minka kelly and yet another meal that could get the various cast members togther

It definitely needs to ramp up the serialization and the conflict. I like Graham's daughter in it, but an episode where she takes money from her mother for tutoring, and then walks out because she wants to be responsible and not smoke up, and then her friend being cool and understanding, is not much of a storyline.

I think part of the reason I like it is that (like HIMYM) it's just so... gentle.

Maybe not so great over the long term, but I feel like TV shows that don't hate at least half the cast are unique and special flowers today.

yeah i think the different characters and subplots were integrated more gracefully in the first season, lately it seems a little more forced that every episode has one of the siblings just showing up at another's workplace and explaining what's going on with them

^^^ yeah exactly like what teenager is just going to (walk?) over to their friends house w/o texting to see if theyre there? & then be like ok cool help me w/ my speech whoever is here

i dont want more conflict necessarily its more that if the did bigger storylines that involved more of the families than they might be less disjointed and shallow. also its just nice to see different combinations of actors than the same 4/5 every episode

yeah this show is so gentle and mild for the most part, which is actually kind of nice. i think because of six feet under, the minute lila garrity walked in, i thought "oh shit, krause is going to be into that in no time" and that is totally not even a plot line.

OH SHIT family drama, Crosby and Jasmine are going to have a big custody battle because grandma's a meanie and Jasmine's out of the country and... oh wait grandma will come to realize Crosby is trying really hard and Jasmine will move back to Oakland and they're gonna get hitched and live happily ever after.

I would like to see a network exec being pitched this idea.

It feels like they're trying to contain the larger stories as much as possible, maybe to allow new viewers in and hopefully get the ratings slightly above 'dismal'.

to me it's absolutely a strength of the show that they're letting some mostly pretty normal storylines slowly unfold. there are enough shows on TV that do crazy heightened reality stuff and even a lot of the family dramedies inevitably fall into lots of crazy breakups and twists and stuff, so it's refreshing to have something mellower. like the thing with the one girl stealing her cousin's boyfriend was about as intense as i really want this show to get.

this isn't really the most plot-driven or consistent show though so it seems weird to quibble about things....but....last year, wasn't krause's character the founder or co-founder of that shoe company? why does he now have a boss? also, what happened with the parents impending foreclosure?

i kept thinking that everyone at that shoe company must hate billy baldwin for basically saying: "hey i've got a crush on this guy's sister and even though she has only been here a week she gets to go to the big shoe show that you guys have been working so hard to prepare for". i know i would hate him.

And by extension they'll hate the brother.

Yeah, when he said that he had consulted Krause on it I assumed that nepotism thing would blow up amongst the staff.

i love how krause and his wife have fun house doppelgangers on the modern family sitcom. i even get the two blonde wives confused when i'm watching those shows. forget which one is on which.

Lauren Graham is totally gonna end up with the warehouse guy (for a few episodes at least) - he even looks like the skeezy teacher from last season

so great...

already in my gilmore/30something/my so called life/once & again superstar suburbia hall of fame and the first season isn't even done.

was glad to see that Wallace from the Wire has joined the cast, at least for the time being. stupid, but it makes me happy to see him all grown up after the way his Wire character ended :(

He was good on Friday Night Lights too.

weird that vince and his mom from friday night lights appeared in the same episode.

this is offically the second season by the way

this show is definitely well-cast, at least from a "these people were in my favorite shows from the past decade" standpoint.

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http://husbandsanddads.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/hayden-fox-coach.jpg

actually i don't think i've ever seen an episode of coach. love coach though. kind of wanted the halloween episode to have a poltergeist reference.

It's off-topic, but listen to Craig T. Nelson "sing" at minute 46 of this terrible Red Riding Hood film:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/140318/red-riding-hood

i loved coach. and right second season! they all blur together for me.

and i blur modern family and parenthood together too. and the middle had one of the same plot-lines as parenthood last night.

Ratings are poor but thankfully NBC is in a bad way. Still, with the size of the cast, it must be expensive.

This show does character interaction amazingly well.

and girl on modern family was on friday night lights.

after kind of missing this show the last few weeks it wasn't on, the first episode back was kind of ass. so many storylines that just fell into the most predictable ruts with very little payoff or emotional connection.

ok this week's episode is better so far. glad Amber's weird phase of wearing giant stupid-looking glasses came and went unremarked upon.

arghhhhh as soon as i post that she's wearing them in the next scene

catching up. Amber making Michael Cera reference out of place. or am I being unfair?

i won't anytime soon, but i kind of wish i could quit this show. suddenly it feels like everyone's always yelling!

love this show so much. its been SO intense all season. that confrontation between seth and zeke, oh man, that was really amazing. my favorite hour of t.v. by far. and yet i really don't recommend it to anyone. feels too personal. will definitely buy all the full-season dvds.

This is a great show.

yeah it's still a good show just, i dunno, i liked the relaxed pace of the first season more, it feels like conflicts come to a head more quickly and more violently than they used to.

Jason Ritter showing up again gave me hope that maybe TEH EVENT was getting canceled but it looks like that got picked up for a second season, ugh

erika christenxenu lookin GOOD lately though

she does indeed. i try not to drool too much when i'm watching with maria. maria understands how pitiful i am though.

the whole thing with max, oof, i can't think of another show on right now that goes to those places. the amusement park...ahhhhh!

yeah i do like that they're finally exploring having Max know about his condition, although the roller coaster thing was kind of painful, like god can this kid have a good day for once?

i don't mind the yelling because it feels like genuine catharsis. adam not being able to take being the strong silent one anymore. amber finally lashing out at her dad. that was heavy AND liberating.

i looked up what dax shepard has been in and i don't think i've seen a single thing he's done except for Let's Go To Prison and I don't even remember him in that. i mean i know he was like the dumb guy in it or whatever, i just can't remember his performance.

Dax's big breakthrough was being one of the actors on the early seasons of Punk'd who'd pretend to be a cop or a nutjob or whatever freaking celebs out, and for a long time i disliked him because of that and broad movie stuff like Without A Paddle, but he kinda started to grow on me circa Idiocracy and Let's Go To Prison and i like him in Parenthood when his character's not too predictably 'the immature one' or whatever.

I hadn't seen this show in a year, and then I stumbled upon it the other night, and they were still dealing with the lame Asperger storyline, and it was like no time had passed at all. I wish this show centered on Lauren Graham, her skeevy ex, and her two kids. The other couples are kind of worthless, in my opinion.

did you think they were gonna cure the kid of Asperger's or send him to live in a hospital or something? i think that particular storyline is here to stay.

Didn't know tonight's was the season finale, though should have guessed. I don't think the show knows what it wants to do with a lot of these plotlines, but there's too much goodness tucked away here and there to stop watching. Also it still does the scenes with multiple characters just hanging out and talking over each other better than pretty much anything else around right now.

Too much wrapping up and maybe one too many scenes of crying tonight - and the less said about Christine and the baby thing the better - but the Zeek and Amber scene at the junkyard was pretty great.

Julia, not Christine. I should have these character names down by now.

renewed for season 3

...<crickets>....

well, there was never any real suspense, the network's always been super supportive of it

haha i thought this bump might be becuz it was cancelled

can't wait. haven't missed an episode. already planning to buy complete dvd set whenever it ends.

This show would be so much better if they kill off Kristina and Max Braverman and whatever charter Erika Christensen plays. They drag down the whole show.

you're crazy. life is messy and you have to deal with your family no matter who they are.

max's character in particular is what makes this show so great - they don't sugar-coat asperger's, max is a really annoying little fucker.

I've only seen about 10 minutes of this whole series, and it heavily featured Craig T. Nelson (who is awesome). I'm sure it's good, but I always forget to watch.

totally. you need a little realness to offset the home & garden channel white people problems. otherwise its just fucking dynasty or some such shit.

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wanna fucking strangle crosby almost every week. and that is family to me. totally know that dude.

The end of this season was pretty poor, and there's usually at least one ongoing plotline that annoys me, but it does large communal scenes just about better than any other show right now, and I appreciate that.

This is back. It is going okay. It has been picked up for 2 additional episodes, so 24 instead of 22.

Every corny, sincere NBC ad for this show makes me not want to watch it out of principle.

last episode was really good, after the season kinda starting with me rolling my eyes at every single new storyline they set in motion

I really hated the assault charge storyline and I'm glad they nipped it in the bud. If that had happened in my house, my parents would have said "so you were drinking, you got this girl drunk, you tried to prevent her from leaving the party with her boyfriend, and he hit you? Good. You deserved it."

yeah the whole time that thing at the party happened i was going "seriously? fuck you guys for this hackneyed bullshit." very relieved that they're not going to be drawing that out for the whole season. other plotlines (coffee girl's baby, crosby's business, etc.) also a little annoying but at least have some potential to go somewhere.

Good to see another competent young woman is probably going to lose her job over the Braverman brothers. Poor Rachel.

i miss this show. when we moved we didn't get cable. as an experiment in sad living. we have netflix though. can watch old parenthoods. i should find the new season online. probably the network show i miss the most.

It's on hulu

It's on nbc.com

randomly caught tonight's episode & this show is fucking good

it's been in a good groove lately but i wouldn't have pegged it as the kind of thing anyone could just drop in on an episode of and enjoy much

yeah i mean my bf was sort of giving me a background but idk, maybe i just caught a really good episode but there were a few scenes that were just really, really well written and acted

also further evidence of ann veal inexplicably having one of the five most successful post-arrested development careers

crucial aspects of the show just felt very real to me in a way that i don't really expect from network tv

i should say the episode instead of the show

Just started this with my wife as it seems to be the perfect fit for us both to enjoy. 3 eps in and it seems pretty good.

Having 2 young kids makes these kind of shows tug at you differently though. I breezed through all 5 seasons of Friday Night Lights in like a month and felt like I was getting parenting lessons on a nightly basis. Everything is like a 'what if' going through my head. Just thinkin bout things.

i randomly dropped back in on the show a couple of episodes ago cuz i was jonesing for network realism and its a p easy show to just pick up, despite its serial nature since all the storylines are so familiar (in a good way tho)

yeah it's not like the stories are hard to follow by any means, i just imagine it being hard to care what's going on unless you've been w/ these characters through this thing and that thing etc.

nothing really bad ever happens to them though; I skipped like, five episodes and didn't feel like I missed anything at one point.

what were you expecting, Breaking Bad levels of mayhem?

i mean this is the kind of show where 2 parents splitting up and no longer trying to raise their son as one family is the big earth-shattering event of a season, that's just how it is and kinda can't be any other way

haha one of the reasons that i stopped watching this show is because i thought it wasnt lowkey enuff

yeah there was a period where EVERYONE WAS YELLING ALL THE TIME and i was a bit weary of it

it's a few levels down from FNL as far as depth of feeling goes (I'm making the comparison because they share a producer). I do like it though, maybe the only network drama I watch on a regular basis

"network" as in nbc/abc/cbs

when did they introduce pretty-eyed cello woman? I missed that. she is just suddenly there. I like her. I assume she will be gone in two episodes.

She showed up two weeks ago. I wish they weren't using her to make Jasmine look like a bitch, yet again.

i really love this show (watching season 1 now)

also joy bryant is fine as hell

Joy Bryant is wonderful.

decent end to the season. Billy Riggins (I don't think he was explicitly playing Billy Riggins but he may as well have been)! Like how the Zoe story resolved itself. Don't buy for a moment that girl and city council guy are going to be able to just 'work together' though, they may as well just hook up, I frankly don't really see what the problem is.

i think the 10-year age difference is the main thing that her aunt (and the theoretical public if they were to find out) considers a problem

j0rdan have you caught up on the first couple seasons? i have a hard time imagining dropping in on the show mid-run and then going back to the beginning but it might be interesting or give a fuller context for the current storylines.

yeah i'm like 3 episodes thru season 2 right now

i don't really know much of what's going on tbh... the only thing i remember from the one episode i caught was that crosby & joy bryant's character were both seeing other people

sometimes i feel like this show keeps it pretty real as far as how they choose to depict a character like max and sometimes i feel like they're straight up trying to make you hate a kid with asperger's

Bummed I bowed out midway through season 3 because by many accounts this season has been great.

I feel this depiction of Max is better than many shows would do, where they'd have the father sit him down and explain how things are and how he's gotta behave and have him easily fall in line.

But I admit I almost revived this thread last week with a "Max is an asshole." comment.

sometimes i feel like they're straight up trying to make you hate a kid with asperger's
ha yeah, on the one hand i always groan when there's a max-centric plotline, but on the other i respect that the battles there are pretty hard fought and the victories are totally tiny, as opposed to wrapping everything up at the end of the episode. he is crazy annoying though, i definitely respect the kid actor.

yeah i respect that they've really pulled no punches w/ him but at a certain point i'm like damn can you please give them some kind of bigger victory w/ max

"hi grandpa, I have pubic hair"
"there ya go!"
"I haven't ejaculated yet, but the internet says that when I do, I will begin to see the world in a new and exciting way"
"well a whole new world is gonna open up for you, max, believe you me, when you start ejaculating"
"do you ejaculate, grandpa?"
"do I ejaculate? do I ever, I tell ya"

Loved that scene.

craig t. nelson was so fucking funny

Yeah he stole the whole episode with that scene imo. Rewound that and watched it with the wife a few times just to catch everything he said in that exchange.

Funny when dude came out of the shower and was all glowing I thought for sure he had rubbed one out but nah, just washed his balls is all.

Just started season three of this. I was afraid, for all the obvious reasons, but this show is really good! Perfect casting, I think, which is sort of rare for such a huge ensemble TV cast.

Yeah its pretty great. There were moments in this most recent season where I was like uh this is kinda boring and then a scene or two in a row would come along and just floor me completely.

Seriously, this show is super solid, even at its sappiest and most sentimental. Very true to itself and to its characters, and at its best to life. I can even excuse the on the nose music cues.

I have been binging on this show in the past week, -- am now blowing through Season 3

I really like the way Dax Shepard is with kids + Jabar, he's a very naturally likeable dude so his general fuckup persona works really well.

can we get a count on how many shawls Bonnie Bedelia actually has? and I want to make a tumblr of 'that weird frog face Lauren Graham makes when she's going to cry' even though I love her to death

Craig t nelson is kinda boss as the vietnam vet hardass dad/softie grandpa/oldschool crazy dude

This show is so freaking adorable in so many ways

i don't necessarily agree that the show is any more flawed right now than it has been in the past, but i still enjoyed watching someone yell at it:
http://www.vulture.com/2014/01/parenthood-has-lost-itself-this-season.html

I'll red that later probably, but the Joel/Julia stuff is truly dire.

so much of the storyline was similar to Adam's "oops somebody kissed me" plot a couple seasons ago that it was kind of funny when Adam and Julia talked about it and commented on how he'd been through something similar. Joel's role has been so boring and thankless for the duration of the show's run that i wouldn't be shocked if this was all because the actor wants to be off the show or have his role reduced.

yeah he's never been interesting but we've seen so little of his actual perspective that he just comes off as super whiny and entitled. which is extra amusing because he's built like Jason Bourne.