peter sellers: is he really so good?

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i watched a bit of pink panther 2 last night and just felt meh (herbert lom = the actual comic genius)

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's so hollow

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the party is tiresome, but I remember laughing hystericaally at Inpsector Clouseau's slapstick when I was 14.

erik, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Sellers was a very good comic actor, but I've never been clear why he gets reverence for that. I think it's to do with The Goons, which I always found overrated, but I guess it might be a generational thing - maybe just breaking new ground seemed so special then, but it's rarely seemed terribly funny to me.

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He's great in Dr Strangelove.

C Sallis, Esq, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He was also GREAT in Lolita. Never liked Pink Panther. But he's not as bad as Louis de Funes.

nathalie, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

birdy numnums

dr daif, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yer. he WUZ great in lolita. no matter WHUT mark s thinks.

RJG, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i like this song he did with sofia loren. boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boop boop boom

Ron, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sellers was an excellent comedy actor, but not my favourite Goon. I think Secombe was unsurpassed for silliness. How can anyone fail to giggle at the Goons? The Dreaded Batter Pudding Hurler of Bexhill on Sea etc? Magic.

C J, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Sellers was a very good comic actor, but I've never been clear why he gets reverence for that.

Think, man, think! The reverence arises from the very simple fact that Mr. Sellers was a very good comic actor who made movies that made millions upon millions of dollars for their producers. The true source of the reverence is the money, not the talent -- although the talent was certainly there.

Laureate Cibber, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It was Pink Panther 3 not 2 last night, and I think Blake Edwards is much more to blame than Sellers for the overall mehness (opening robbery sequence deeply tedious, as was all the stuff w/ Christopher Plummer). The skit w/ Sellers and the hoover made me larf and larf, as did Clouseau saying to a damp Dreyfus "Let me blot you".

But yes, Lom's facial tics etc. = genius.

Andrew L, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i didn't watch very much of PP3 actually, as it clashed with charmed

i hate dr strangelove obv

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A Shot In The Dark = best Sellers PinkPanther/Clouseau flick

Paul, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate dr strangelove obv
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nathalie, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dr. Strangelove, Lolita, Being There.

J Blount, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

being there is pretty good, i'd forgotten that

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I loved The Party.

Lek Dukagjin, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you know the Alan Cumming/Jennifer Jason Lee movie with that young Peter Sellers lookalike in it, the Wedding Party i think? Slight and not altogether consistent but some great great moments. Anyway that guy can do naturalism, never quite PS's strength, so maybe he's "better" than PS himself on a certain kind of all-over-actor's skills-tech level - playing truly - but who can match PS for cataloguing a bag of tells and indications? As an actor he hides himself, his real reactions of the moment, for a stock list of bewilderments and curiousities and flattered glances, but the list is so LONG and the was he strings them together is so CHARMANT that I don't care.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Party is a ***** classic!

Kris, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The best Pink Panther movie is the only one without 'Pink Panther' in the title - A Shot In The Dark.

His performance in Lolita - yikes. So fucking brilliant. Subversive even. Maybe my favorite performance by ANYONE, EVER. Even Pauline Kael agrees with me (a rare event indeed). There's also a movie called Battle of the Sexes from a Thurber short story in which he's very good indeed.

Spike Milligan was probably funnier, but Sellers was the better actor. Most of his performances went downhill after the PP series took off, and he started to turn into a bit of a self-parody. Being There was the one shining moment in the Seventies.

Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

blimey maybe i shd watch lolita again!! i think my distaste is retroactive, as in too much clouseau since tainted earlier stuff (as a kid i actively preferred the sellers goon characters); i have never liked dr strangelove, tho sellers is not what particularly i dislike abt it, i just don't think he saves it

mark s, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You know, I have never heard any of the Goon stuff. Is it worth seeking out, or hopelessly dated?

Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No you're better off listening to Sophie Ellix-Bextor. Read her lips for they speak gospel!

Sophie #1 Phan, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Milligan was a sometimes brilliant comedian, but the most inconsistent ever and something of a racist and sexist. He was also a better creator/writer than performer, I think. Secombe was a larf and good at messing about and being silly, and Bentine was a terrific children's entertainer - anyone remember his own series? The modern person's response to The Goons is a puzzled frown with the odd moment of amusement, and some respect when you realise that it was sort of groundbreaking and very (whisper it) influential on Peter Cook and the Monty Python team, for instance.

Martin Skidmore, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The LadyKillers (with Sir Alec Guinness, etc) is one of the best/funniest films Peter Sellers was in. also one of my fave British films evah!

Paul, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The best Pink panther film is Inspector Clouseau starring Alan Arkin as the bumbling master detective. FIlmed between A SHot In The Dark and Revenge of the PP I think.

Pete, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

disagree. Arkin is not a good comic actor, however he is good in serious roles - for good Arkin, check The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter.

Paul, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ladykillers is great, great, great but it's Guiness's show all the way. You could throw Andrew McCarthy in Sellers' role and that movie's still great.

J Blount, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Arkin is not a good comic actor

B-but, whaddabout Catch 22?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(I was of course partially joking. It is a fascinating film to see someone else trying to do Clouseau (and I don't mean ROger Moore in Death of the PP) without doing an impersonation, but still doing the same schtick. The fact that it is Clouseau at Scotland Yard is all the more tasty.

Pete, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Currently reading Roger Lewis' biography The Life And Death Of Peter Sellers and I'm wondering whether it's not the greatest biography ever (or, at least as film biographies go, up there with Thomson's Rosebud). Lewis is gloriously demented; idolises Sellers, has it in for just about everyone else on the planet except Milligan, but ends up describing Sellers as simultaneously the greatest human being ever to walk this earth, and the earthy reincarnation of Satan. Over 1000 pages long; abstruse, diffuse, pretentious, hagiographic, demonic - and I'm thinking: isn't this the point of biography? If you're going to get under the skin of your subject, isn't it the most honest and natural thing to presume that your subject is the greatest and/or worst person who ever lived? I must check out his demolition of Anthony Burgess from last year.

Phoebe Dinsmore, Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Sold. That's my next read. Actually, a friend of mine has just acquire the PP DVD collection and it's strange how sparse the films are, with literally one or two laugh out loud moments per movie and vast tracts of the pictures empty of anything much at all and curiously humourless. Sellers I find is hugely watchable, not least because I’m sat there thinking what a fucking maniac he really was, but the scripts in these films let him down badly I think – he was supposedly a brilliant improviser and suffered if a director was too strict with him, but certainly in the PP, I believe he was permitted the room to manoeuvre by Edwards, and it’s still not enough imho. Elsewhere, when he had the material (Strangelove and Being There) Sellers could command the camera with ease but I don’t think he’s the comedy God he is sometimes revered as – a good comic actor sure, often able to load up his characters with pathos and humanity, believable and still enigmatic, but prone to cliché, lacklustre and ‘funny’ voices too often for my taste. He’s a cold kind of a presence on the screen, hard to love, you know. Oh, and the Goons stink.

@lex K (Alex K), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The Lewis book paints Sellers as an absolute nutter, but is an awesome read. HBO have adapted it for a TV movie, apparently. Edward Tudor-Pole plays Spike Milligan!

retort pouch (retort pouch), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Geoffrey Rush apparently is playing Sellers in this film.

I think the reason why PS is so good in Dr Strangelove and Lolita is that Kubrick was the only director who actually stood up to Sellers' hissy fits, answered him back and directed him. In his book Lewis speculates how good Sellers might have been as the Patrick Magee character in Clockwork Orange or even as Jack Torrance in The Shining.

The other running theme through the biog is that up until he became an International Star (and the heart trouble started - Lewis essentially argues that he was a walking ghost for the last 16 years of his life) he did good work but afterwards was, with a very few exceptions (I really want to see The Blockhouse), content to settle for caricatures rather than characters. Again and again he rejected offers to do Beckett, Pinter, King Lear, The Alien under Sayjavit Ray (ET 15 years ahead of its time), probably because he feared that if he tried Proper Acting he would be "found out." It's significant that he never even considered doing any dramatic work in the theatre; he probably felt a fake doing that sort of thing and in any case had enough of what he called "fuck you money" not to bother himself with it unduly. It was the same with Kenneth Williams; started out as a legit actor (Saint Joan, Welles' Moby Dick - Rehearsed) but afterwards (with the significant exception of Joe Orton) generally settled for what he termed "low farce." Maybe he just wasn't that good a straight actor - no footage survives of his Dauphin or his multiple appearances with Welles, so we can't really judge. I agree that The Goon Show is notably unfunny, and not just for age/time-related reasons either; after all, Hancock, Round the Horne etc. are still eminently funny and listenable.

Phoebe Dinsmore, Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Did I hear something about a film of Sellers' life starring Geoffrey Rush? Just flicked Gr£gs Pr£vi£ws and didn't see anything but I'm sure there was some talk of it... Is it the same thing you're talking about Retort? Anyway, what's a retort pouch btw. I know a retort stand was something we used to build strange contraptions off in Physics but pouch I never heard of.

Actually, in PP tradition, I remember back in the day, the time a pal of mine nicked one of the huge retort stands and made it onto the bus with it. He had the base under one foot and ran the pole all the way up his trouser leg, under his blazer and up the back of his neck. The teachers just figured he had a limp. What a legend he was, for a time.

@lex K (Alex K), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah.

@lex K (Alex K), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

@lex - The day I registered an account here, I'd had a bowl of instant noodles from the local Asian supermarket for lunch. When I took the lid off the bowl, I found a foil baggie with the words 'Retort Pouch' printed on it. It contained curry sauce and chunks of tofu, to be added to the noodles.

Why it was called a retort pouch, I have absolutely no idea.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

What a beautiful story. It almost bought a tear to my eye. But are you quite sure the baggie was not in fact an original objet d'art by Duchamp?

@lex K (Alex K), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Since I bought those noodles, I'm not sure of anything any more, quite frankly.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger Lewis' biography The Life And Death Of Peter Sellers

yeah, it's been my favorite biography ever since it came out, even though I think they cut out about 400 pages when it was published in America. I guess they figured Americans weren't that interested in Peter Sellers. (admittedly I doubt anyone is as interested in PS as RL is)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Apart from his Kubrick films, Sellars is at his best as a comic actor in the Boulting bros. comedies 'Heavens Above!' and 'I'm All Right Jack'. They're screened annually on channel 4. Perhaps too provincial for some tastes, though, but i love them.

pete s, Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

My dad has a small part in that new Sellers biopic! He plays Hal Ashby.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they cut out about 400 pages when it was published in America.

Really? FUCK. Now I've got to buy it again!

'I'm All Right Jack' definitely one of his greatest performances, and a real late-'50s time capsule to boot. Marvellous.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

N, I've been meaning to ask you this for ages - does yr Dad also do talking books? Only there was a rave review in the Spectator abt 6 months or so ago of (I think) 'Passage to India' read by S*m D*stoor, and at the time I wondered if it was a relative of yrs...

Hal Ashby!! Wow, mucho mucho drug intake in 'Easy Riders, Raging Bulls'.

And yes, PD, the Lewis biog of Burgess is equally great - it opens with this amazing setpiece of AB visiting Richard Ellman sometime in the mid-80s and carries on in a similar tone (eg loathing and contempt) for the next 400 odd pages - v. bracing stuff, and certainly not another shilling life that will give you all 'the facts'

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that was one of his. He did it ages ago, but it's one of the things he's most pleased with. He's had fanmail for it! His acting name is D*stor with one o.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The Lewis biography is a staggeringly engaging work; painting him as an unknowing, insecure actor of uncanny talent, and also quite a monster.

"Lolita" is his finest performance; I always remember Lewis' description of Quilty's contemptuous air of aloofness - from a normal plane of life - on the dancefloor, when he first encounters Shelley Winters. "Dr Strangelove" and "Being There" are of course highly recommended. "The Naked Truth" is a very interesting early British one; giving PS a chance to show his range with an impressionist, sardonic character. "The Optimists" is quite a maudlin, but a very effective encapsulation of Old London-on-the-cusp-of-change. Sellers plays Dan Leno effectively - who he was obsessed by, for a time.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and the Goons = classic. The double CDs from the BBC are quite cheap, and usually very good. Search the 'Spon' episode - silliness and genius combined.

Johnney B, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel like I *should* like the Goons in theory, but the one time I sampled a few episodes, I was left fairly cold. Like Marcello says, it doesn't stand up like the more grounded Hancock does... Can't say i've ever heard "Round the Horne".

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Reviving because of the World Of Henry Orient thread.

Also because no one has mentioned After The Fox, which more folks really need to see - if only for Sellers' hilarious riffs on Fellini.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 4 April 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yes he was good, check out "Being There". Chauncey Gardner is one of the most understated comedic performances ever and is as subtle as the Pink Panther movies were over the top.

"The Mouse That Roared" is another great Seller's movie.

earlnash, Sunday, 4 April 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I was given a copy of Sellers' book "Tragically I was an only twin" for Christmas, and I'm just about to get around to reading it. Will report back later.

C J (C J), Sunday, 4 April 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
The film "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers" (presumably drawn in some large part from Lewis's biography) starring Geoffrey Rush sounds brilliant; major plaudits on "Newsnight Review" at Cannes, from all concerned (Paulin, Kermode et al). I will be fascinated to see it later this year when it comes out.

Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"Tragically I was an only twin" is Peter Cook, surely?

Anyhow, I thought Geoffrey Rush would make a brilliant Peter Sellers, after watching "Shine"...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm amazed people think Sellers' performance in "Lolita" was any good - in fact I think it's one of the worst performances I've ever seen by a leading actor. Smug, self-indulgent and utterly crap it totally destroys the movie.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

Just read that instead of trying conventional treatment for his heart problems, he opted for psychic surgery (charlatans apparently "pull" bad stuff out of your body without incisions, actually done with conjuring and sleight of hand), and this probably hastened his demise.

ledge, Monday, 14 July 2008 12:44 (seventeen years ago)

Oh, and "After the Fox" yes is great!

Mark G, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:45 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

"i'm all right jack" is a p funny satire for 1959! (although sellers' role is the straight faced shop steward)

johnny crunch, Sunday, 30 January 2011 02:03 (fourteen years ago)

seven years pass...

he was fucking great, less so after '69 when Hollywood kinda destroyed him for awhile.

astounding as the drunk projectionist in The Smallest Show on Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8xct7ved9c

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2018 03:38 (seven years ago)

Never know what to think of that nearly naughty number he sings in a subcontinental accent in a duet with Sophia Loren, can’t remember the name right now

3-Way Tie (For James Last) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 August 2018 09:43 (seven years ago)

it goes bum-diddy bum-diddy bum-diddy bum-diddy bum-diddy bum-diddy bum bum bum

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 August 2018 09:45 (seven years ago)

He did a whole film as Comedy Indian, oh goodness gracious me.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 09:57 (seven years ago)

There are at least three films I can think of where he played a comedy Indian - The Millionairess, The Road to Hong Kong and The Party

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 2 August 2018 10:01 (seven years ago)

Ah right! I was thinking of The Party, the whole film is based around his character.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 10:02 (seven years ago)

i mean when you've found comedy gold like that you'd be crazy not to go back to the well xp

Rogan Twort's highly portable product (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 August 2018 10:15 (seven years ago)

he's funny in The Party OH YES HE IS

nuthin beats retrospective cultural policing

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2018 10:27 (seven years ago)

He is also great as the rather dazed and socially bland Evelyn Tremble character in Casino Royale.

MaresNest, Thursday, 2 August 2018 10:38 (seven years ago)

The Millionairess isn't a comedy, and that song "Goodness Gracious Me" is not from the film.

Mark G, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:50 (seven years ago)

Both IMDB and Wikipedia have it as a comedy, and 'Goodness Gracious Me' existed as a promotional song for the movie.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:56 (seven years ago)

I'm just going by when I watched it.

I was quite young, to be fair.

Mark G, Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:58 (seven years ago)

He is also great as the rather dazed and socially bland Evelyn Tremble character in Casino Royale.

^^^ the bit where Orson Welles is pissing around doing magic tricks at the baccarat table and Sellers very dryly says "When you're quite finished..." is one of my favourite bits in the entire movie.

Visibly Over 25 (snoball), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:54 (seven years ago)

I Love You, Alice B. Tolls deserves way more love.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

I Love You, Alice B. Toklas

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

I have his four albums. Search the Sophia Loren bits from "Peter & Sophia" and his final album "Sellers Market" which has some great Python-esque sketches esp. "The All-England George Formby Finals" and his best song "Gefrunk".

everything, Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

I saw The Party in high school, after friends had been enthusing about and quoting it for a year or so, and on first viewing it was very unfunny and also racist.

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 2 August 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

i think 'birdie num num' is kind of funny, just because of the sound of it and not because it's supposed to be coming from an indian dude.

akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:21 (seven years ago)

I've heard a few records (mostly the Beatles covers and a couple impenetrable Goon Shows)

I don't think The Party is any kind of classic -- the only Blake Edwards film of his i really love is A Shot in the Dark -- but what's good about it mostly comes from him. Sure the casting/conception is racist, but unfortunately 'twas a staple of comedy before there was multiracial stardom.

I was mostly horrified by Casino Royale start to finish

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2018 22:55 (seven years ago)

"impenetrable Goon Shows"

haha, that was always my impression too. I have almost all of these as well as digital copies. I've tried for years to get into them.

akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:01 (seven years ago)

I have almost all of these as well as digital copies

do you have all the Doctor Who episodes too

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Friday, 3 August 2018 00:00 (seven years ago)

(used to listen to the Goon Show every week at noon on Saturdays when I was a kid, read the published scripts, branched off to all available Milligania from there)

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Friday, 3 August 2018 00:01 (seven years ago)

i always meant to try again w/ the goon show -- i found it impenetrable even as a python/beatles obsessed teen, but do like milligan's books.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 00:06 (seven years ago)

Milligan another member of The Goons who regularly played the Comedy Indian eg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_and_Chips

Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 August 2018 08:32 (seven years ago)

i'm not sure the Goon Show is meant to be penetrable beyond "funny voices are funny", tho there's probably some esoteric 1950s politics buried in there somewhere too

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 08:38 (seven years ago)

*insert Pakistani dalek sketch*

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 08:39 (seven years ago)

That's a case in point.

I had the "Q8" scripts book, which was where I saw that sketch for the first time, and it makes perfect sense there. The idea that Pakistanis are some sort of weird alien race that exterminates everything including their own kids is shown as a ridiculous thing. And then, about a year or so later, I saw a repeat screening of the show, and it's just an incomprehensible mess where you can't hear the lines much, the daleks crash into everything on the stage, and the canned laffter drowns out everything and is so liberally spread as to suggest that it's all hugely hilarious.

A lot of the "Q" shows had too much canned.

Mark G, Friday, 3 August 2018 09:59 (seven years ago)

I saw, and loved, Casino Royale as a youngster so decades later it's nigh impossible to hate, I know it's a total mess but it looks great, it's fun and the cast is just ridiculous.

MaresNest, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:16 (seven years ago)

only just struck me that the kind of twitter humour i like -- which is quick, absurdist, intensely topical and catchphrase-ridden, and relies on cartoonish characters in constant silly cycle -- is actually quite like the goons in its way, the goons my dad as a young man loooooooved (he and his brother would do the voices to one another): in both cases i think the impenetrability is very much part of the shared fun for those in on it, you get off a bit on just getting it when others don't

mark s, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:28 (seven years ago)

A lot of the "Q" shows had too much canned.

I think you hit the nail on the head with incomprehensible mess. More mess than incomprehensible though tbh.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 12:02 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRJby3PCfbo

mark s, Friday, 3 August 2018 12:08 (seven years ago)

--> "Waiting for the Clamp Down!!"

Mark G, Friday, 3 August 2018 12:53 (seven years ago)

two years pass...

God, this film "Hoffman" is a weird one - not good at all though. Sellers determined to play it as straight and undemonstratively as possible and just ending up by being a bit boring. Apparently Sellers was so horrified by this film he tried to buy the negatives so he could burn them. The character Sellers plays is a unpleasant self-pitying misogynistic creep - and that seems to have hit a bit too close to home. Nice theme song though, Matt Monro!

There seem to have been a lot of his films on recently and he is so fucking terrible and self-indulgent in some of them that I can't make up my mind if he really is so good.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 June 2021 22:00 (four years ago)

I find him to be incredibly overrated and painfully unfunny.

mirostones, Sunday, 20 June 2021 22:05 (four years ago)

For a 'great comic actor' he can be hideously unfunny. I liked him in "Heavens Above", where he played an idealistic Brummie vicar and was the straight man while everyone else hammed it up for a change.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 June 2021 22:10 (four years ago)

I just saw The Ladykillers on the big screen and he's pretty negligible in it. I rewatched Lolita earlier this year, in which as Clare Quilty his strange American accent and general demeanor are off-puttingly weird, and where in the guise of the German psychiatrist he's definitely over the top. Still rate him in his best roles though.

Josefa, Sunday, 20 June 2021 22:32 (four years ago)

Not particularly a fan, but I do think he's amazing in Strangelove (just as much for the other two roles as for the title role).

clemenza, Sunday, 20 June 2021 22:44 (four years ago)

I'd say great in Strangelove, A Shot in the Dark, and Being There (whether or not you think it's a great film) and at least interesting in Lolita, plus very good in lower profile films like The World of Henry Orient. I've always enjoyed his characterization in The Party though I'm sure many would now call it problematic.

Josefa, Sunday, 20 June 2021 23:05 (four years ago)

The thing about this film "Hoffman" is that it was supposedly so painful to Sellers because, for once, he appeared to be playing himself on screen and not doing his usual pyrotechnic mimicry. However, once you find out that Donald Pleasance was in the original play, you realize you've just watch 2 hours plus of Peter Sellers impersonating Donald Pleasance.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 June 2021 23:13 (four years ago)

I feel like "The Mouse That Roared" (and Alec Guinness in "Kind Hearts and Coronets") helped create the rash of 90s comedies where someone like Mike Myers or Eddie Murphy plays a bunch of roles in TRULY HIGH-LARIOUS fat suits and drag. So, a mixed legacy.

Champagne Heathernova (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 20 June 2021 23:44 (four years ago)

I've always enjoyed his characterization in The Party though I'm sure many would now call it problematic.

I watched it in 1992 on the urging of schoolfriends and found it horrendously problematic.

great in Strangelove, A Shot in the Dark, and Being There

yes, also vg in Wrong Arm of The Law, enjoyable in Magic Christian, and obv beast mode from 1951 to 1960 on the electric wireless

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 21 June 2021 03:09 (four years ago)

Yeah, he's not really doing anything in The Ladykillers (Katie Johnson owns that movie anyway).

I actually quite like him in Lolita, especially in that fake doctor scene, which is just such a disruptively weirdly out-of-place bit of broad comedy that I cannot help but love its presence in the film.

edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Monday, 21 June 2021 03:26 (four years ago)

his “strange american accent” in lolita = actually sellers channeling kubrick’s voice, iirc

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 03:55 (four years ago)

I had to look up what Kubrick sounds like and yes, I can hear Sellers as Quilty in him! I guess there is something slightly uncanny about many of Sellers’ voices and this is often a positive.

Josefa, Monday, 21 June 2021 04:21 (four years ago)

Had a chance to see The Blockhouse recently, curious little film. Sellers, Peter Vaughan, Charles Aznavour(!) stuck underground and slowly going mad.

There isn't really room for Sellers to do any of his usual shtick, so he underplays it to the point of almost disappearing into the background.

I can kind-of see why it was buried(no pun intended), it would've been impossible to market and it's unremittingly bleak.

"Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Monday, 21 June 2021 07:41 (four years ago)

Never heard of it! Sellers was involved in so many flops from the late 60s onwards it's hard to keep track of them. Peter Vaughan is always worth watching.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 07:49 (four years ago)

It was left on the shelf for years after it was made and didn't even get a UK cinema release IIRC, but I guess it must've snuck out on DVD at some point.

Big-name actors wanting to do these kinds of low-budget heavy drama roles with little commercial appeal seems to be a very early seventies thing, see also Connery in The Offence.

"Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Monday, 21 June 2021 08:19 (four years ago)

From about '68 onwards we're basically watching the UK film industry going down the toilet, producing dozens of films no-one wants to watch, either a mass audience or an arthouse audience.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 08:39 (four years ago)

The Offence is directed by Sidney Lumet iirc, slightly different beast

Full Kit Starmer (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 June 2021 08:47 (four years ago)

It's interesting that Sellers seems to have gone from convincingly playing an insecure weirdo, who is called and old and unattractive several times in the course of the movie, in "Hoffman", to unconvincingly playing the 'handsome' romantic lead in "There's a Girl in Your Soup". He does seem to have made another film in between, but it does seem like his ego need shoring up!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 09:03 (four years ago)

... too many 'seems' there.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 09:07 (four years ago)

The most I've ever enjoyed Sellers was on an ep of Anthony Newley's variety show which comes as an extra in the Network box of the Gurney Slade series (which is great); they do a gangster movie parody and Sellers keeps breaking. Perhaps I enjoyed it because it made the cold sociopath seem human for a change.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 June 2021 09:34 (four years ago)

The Offence is directed by Sidney Lumet iirc, slightly different beast

yeah, Connery and Lumet did three films together in four years (plus one earlier and another one fifteen years later) - but The Offence was a case of Connery hiring Lumet for his own project rather than the reverse. he did Zardoz next, so presumably wasn't thinking of srs low-budget ACAB dramas as his main thing forever.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 21 June 2021 10:39 (four years ago)

I think big name actors wanting to do something gritty and low key to show another side to their talents has been a thing for a long time but I suppose it might have started in the late 60s/early 70s.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 10:46 (four years ago)

There seem to have been a lot of his films on recently

...on TV that is, "After the Fox" is on today @ 3pm!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 11:01 (four years ago)

Where? Can't find it...

Mark G, Monday, 21 June 2021 11:06 (four years ago)

Oh, it's London Live, you don't get that channel.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 11:12 (four years ago)

The Offence was a case of Connery hiring Lumet for his own project rather than the reverse.

In addition, it was a passion project Connery got to make at United Artists in return for doing Diamonds Are Forever.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 21 June 2021 12:33 (four years ago)

Love this version of 'After the fox"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyBO9nmP3cs

Bass – Toshiaki Sudoh*
Bass, Backing Vocals, Guitar, Banjo, Harpsichord – Jim O'Rourke
Drums – Glenn Kotche
Piano – Kyoko Kuroda
Vocals – Masaya Nakahara
Vocals, Clarinet – Akira Sakata

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 June 2021 13:19 (four years ago)

also vg in Wrong Arm of The Law

Yes, I think the post-Ladykillers, pre- Kubrick period is his most satisfying - or at least, his funniest. He's also great as 'Sonny McGregor' in The Naked Truth, which has a terrific comedy cast - Sellers, Terry-Thomas, Peggy Mount, Dennis Price, Joan Sims etc.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 June 2021 13:23 (four years ago)

Also because no one has mentioned After The Fox, which more folks really need to see - if only for Sellers' hilarious riffs on Fellini.

He looks like Antonioni though.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 15:25 (four years ago)

... wearing Godard's spectacles.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 15:28 (four years ago)

"After the Fox". Sellers is good in this but Victor Mature gets more laughs. Anyway, takes far too long to get to the movie director plot, which is the only funny part of the film and, even then, there's more grins than laughs.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 21 June 2021 15:57 (four years ago)

Yet another Sellers' movie on today - "The World of Henry Orient" - a film I've never even heard of tbh.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:28 (four years ago)

I love The World of Henry Orient but I only could only manage about 10 minutes of After the Fox when I caught it on TV a few years ago.

Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Saturday, 26 June 2021 14:51 (four years ago)

... wearing Godard's spectacles.

lol

Rich Valley Girl, Poor Valley Girl (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 June 2021 15:00 (four years ago)

For a 'great comic actor' he can be hideously unfunny

otm

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 June 2021 15:18 (four years ago)

I love The World of Henry Orient but I only could only manage about 10 minutes of After the Fox when I caught it on TV a few years ago.

The first half an hour (or more?) of "After the Fox" isn't very good, it picks up when Victor Mature and Martin Balsam show up. Sellers is good in "The World of Henry Orient" but I thought the film was a bit... silly? The girl on the bus, who is only in it for like five minutes, is great though.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 June 2021 15:24 (four years ago)

one year passes...

Another curio from Sellers' Inspector Clouseau interregnum was on on Sunday and it's on again tonight (on Talking Pictures): "The Blockhouse", from 1973. I started watching it but gave up as it seemed to consist entirely of hairy sweaty men shouting incomprehensibly at each other... in the dark. Sellers' performance is supposed to be good in this but it was Peter Vaughan who looked the most impressive. Sellers was playing a Frenchman and it was somewhat interesting to hear him trying hard not to do Clouseau. Pretty badly made film though, from what I saw of it.

Kiss Me, Dudley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 19:40 (two years ago)

Charles Aznavour is in it! But he didn't seem to be doing much more than glugging bottles of wine and sniggering.

Kiss Me, Dudley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 19:56 (two years ago)

As kids, a friend of mine and I tried to listen to the Goons--IIRC, they were either on late-night public radio or on tapes he rented from the library. In any event, our mid-American ears found them utterly incomprehensible. We couldn't understand most of what they were saying, let alone grasp any of the humor.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 19:58 (two years ago)

remember getting The Block House from netlix years ago out of morbid curiosity and yeah, it was freaking rough. no plot, looked & sounded like it was filmed at the bottom of a muddy pond, Sellers seemed to be barely awake... an incredibly bizarre misadventure of a movie

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 20:01 (two years ago)

(xp) You have to expect a fair amount of incomprehensibility from Spike Milligan tbh.

Kiss Me, Dudley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 20:03 (two years ago)

I remember seeing him as the Gryphon in a film version of Alice in Wonderland when I was very young. I knew nothing about him, but I thought the name "Spike" was pretty cool.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 20:11 (two years ago)

And lo and behold, Peter Sellers was the Hare:

https://monstermoviemusic.blogspot.com/2019/03/alices-adventures-in-wonderland-made-in.html

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 20:14 (two years ago)

nine months pass...

Ooh, I just switched over to London Live and there's an interesting looking British crime film (from 1960) called "Never Let Go" on with a chubby Sellers as a vicious gangster ... and he's actually really good in it! I wish I'd seen the whole film.

I Left My Harp In Sam Frank's Disco (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 September 2023 11:42 (two years ago)

two years pass...

Centennial festival on at the Film Forum right now.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 September 2025 05:29 (four days ago)

Sellers wasn't a good enough actor to overcome weak material or roles that didn't fit his talent, but in order to make money, he accepted a lot of both. There just weren't enough surefire 'Peter Sellers' scripts out there to cast him in. He made a lot of mediocre (or worse) movies, but when he was at his best his work was good enough to be preserved and savored for many generations to come. So, a very mixed bag.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 26 September 2025 17:10 (four days ago)

There was a BFI season, wanted to see Dr Strangelove and just didn't get round to it.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 September 2025 18:45 (four days ago)

it's not the end of the world

Josefa, Friday, 26 September 2025 20:49 (four days ago)

Maybe you can jump on the Concorde and see it in NYC tomorrow

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 01:02 (two days ago)

Also belated lolita xp

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 01:04 (two days ago)

Feeling compelled to stream After the Fox now, which will not be shown on the big screen. Hope it gets a little better, as people have said in the archives.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 01:07 (two days ago)

So far it's mildly amusing at best.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 01:08 (two days ago)

Burt Bacharach soundtrack is good though, especially the title song with The Hollies singing!

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 01:10 (two days ago)

All three episodes of the mid-90’s BBC documentary series about him are on the beeb iPlayer. Much of the home movie stuff is fantastic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002j13n

piscesx, Sunday, 28 September 2025 09:58 (two days ago)

Caught The World of Henry Orient yesterday at the retro. Bibi Osterwald got the biggest laugh with her reaction to one of the teen girls not knowing who John Barrymore was. Sellers is a bit confounding in it since you don't know what accent he's gonna use from moment to moment.

(There is another ILE thread dedicated to this film)

Josefa, Sunday, 28 September 2025 12:41 (two days ago)

Passed by the little cottage across from Highgate Woods where PS spent some years.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Sunday, 28 September 2025 13:41 (two days ago)

The documentary about how Sellers sabotaged Ghost in the Noonday Sun is fascinating any shows just what a troubled man he was, with no consideration for anyone else.

Overtoun House windows (aldo), Sunday, 28 September 2025 13:52 (two days ago)

Yes, poor old Harry Secombe having to put up Milligan AND Sellers. No wonder he became a Christian!

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 September 2025 14:10 (two days ago)

Reading all about his antics now in Mr. Strangelove by Ed Sikov.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 16:21 (two days ago)

Seems like the protective jealous behavior towards Britt Ekland in After the Fox is pretty true to life.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 18:56 (two days ago)

Think I will pass on Strangelove this evening and possibly go during the week.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 September 2025 20:52 (two days ago)

Enjoying seeing him in the earlier films before his thing had sort of hardened into shtick.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 14:33 (yesterday)

Yes, he got worse as the 60s rolled on.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Monday, 29 September 2025 14:37 (yesterday)

"I want more sand in the desert!"

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 16:12 (yesterday)

They keep playing "Waterloo Sunset" before the screenings

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 16:25 (yesterday)

Along with some of Sellers's Beatles interpretations.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 16:27 (yesterday)

Can't remember if I've heard "Goodness Gracious Me" yet though

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 16:27 (yesterday)

The blu ray of Gurney Slade has an Anthony Newley variety special, Peter Sellers shows up for a sketch and is just blatantly corpsing throughout it. A very rare glimpse for me of seeing this guy actually get joy from comedy.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 29 September 2025 17:53 (yesterday)

It's fascinating to watch him in earlier British films where he is still part of an ensemble, at least nominally but usually more so.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 18:25 (yesterday)

And he was still appearing in some of these films while he was already working with Kubrick.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 18:27 (yesterday)

Wondering if Goon Show is a play on Gang Show.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 20:19 (yesterday)

"You're not crying? My music does not make you cry?"

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2025 23:38 (yesterday)

"Good morning!"

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 01:35 (nineteen hours ago)

Wondering if Goon Show is a play on Gang Show.

― Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, September 30, 2025 6:19 AM (thirteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Apparently the name was inspired by the Goons (as in Alice the Goon) from 30s popeye strips. However all of them performed at one time or another in military entertainment troupes, (gang shows) and it was that generation so …

Ed, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 10:13 (eleven hours ago)

Weren't the Nazis nicknamed goons by British troops during WWII?

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 10:21 (ten hours ago)

Don't recall

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:27 (eight hours ago)

Wondering whether I should try to see things like I Love You, Alice B. Toklas and Heavens Above!.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:28 (eight hours ago)

The latter is early 60s UK and harder to see, so maybe that.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:33 (eight hours ago)

Definitely not harder to see in the UK, it's on TV regularly, as are lots of his British films from the late 50s/early 60s, Hollywood ones not so much (I've never seen I Love You, Alice B. Toklas for instance).

I liked him in "Heavens Above", where he played an idealistic Brummie vicar and was the straight man while everyone else hammed it up for a change.

― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 June 2021 22:10 (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:41 (eight hours ago)

Please probably better and more enjoyable

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:42 (eight hours ago)

xp

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:42 (eight hours ago)

Alice B. Toklas was on TCM late last night and might show up later today on the TCM app.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:43 (eight hours ago)

He is really good in Heavens Above but the film itself isn't.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:52 (eight hours ago)

That's reason enough to see it.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 12:58 (eight hours ago)

Also some other actors who I don't mind seeing: Kenneth Griffith, Miles Malleson, Bernard Miles, Ian. Carmichael, Irene Handl.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:00 (eight hours ago)

But maybe you see them all the time on the telly.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:00 (eight hours ago)

Roy Kinnear.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:01 (eight hours ago)

Steve Marriot is apparently in it too somehow.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:01 (eight hours ago)

Alice B. Toklas is fun and silly. Theme song by Harper's Bizarre. A Mazursky/Tucker script, just before Bob & Carol &...

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:19 (seven hours ago)

...and it just showed up on the TCM app

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:21 (seven hours ago)

(xxp) I forgot, Steve Marriott is in it! I mean, it's a Boulting Brothers' film so there's a lot of heavy handed social satire where every class is selfish and out for themselves, a la "I'm All Right, Jack", though it's not as good as it.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:24 (seven hours ago)

... as that.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:29 (seven hours ago)

Right.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:33 (seven hours ago)

Really it's just kind of fun for me to absorb all of these in one go while I am on a roll, especially the British films. Even some of the lesser stuff is interesting in context.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:36 (seven hours ago)

I had always steered clear of the Boulting Brothers.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:37 (seven hours ago)

Basically feel like I had been taught that there were The Archers, early Hitchcock, the better Kordas and Ealing comedies, steer clear of all the rest.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:38 (seven hours ago)

But then I saw Terence Davies raving about all the great British character actors so I decided to take a deeper dive.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 13:49 (seven hours ago)

Think I fell asleep last time I watched I'm All Right Jack ages ago, but this time I enjoyed it.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:03 (seven hours ago)

I had always steered clear of the Boulting Brothers

Brighton Rock though!

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:16 (seven hours ago)

That one always seemed to be exception!

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:18 (seven hours ago)

An exception

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:18 (seven hours ago)

Well, not many of their films had screenplays by Graham Greene AND Terence Rattigan tbf.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:19 (six hours ago)

What British Cinema has to 'say' about history, society, national identity etc - and the often tortured, evasive, confused way it engages with these kind of topics - is as least as interesting as spotting thematic/stylistic repetition/consistency. But that's speaking as a spectator/subject in the UK, where right now there's maybe more at stake than just the bliss of Powellian pure cinema.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:24 (six hours ago)

Yes. Just checking to see if The Mouse That Roared is Boulting Bros. but it isn't.

I Didn't Always Agree With What He Said But... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:32 (six hours ago)

Missed that on TCM earlier this month.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 14:35 (six hours ago)

Basically feel like I had been taught that there were The Archers, early Hitchcock, the better Kordas and Ealing comedies, steer clear of all the rest.

Some faves that fall outside those borders:

Dance Pretty Lady
Men Are Not Gods
Two Thousand Women
Green For Danger
They Made Me A Fugitive
Snowbound
Good Time Girl
Seven Days To Noon
Home At Seven
The Good Die Young
The Hell Drivers

Cutting this list off at the end of the 50's because after that you get a flurry of activity - Woodfall and the kitchen sink stuff, Hammer, all the groovy 60's films we have a thread for - that I think truly cements the old British star system as a bygone era.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:21 (five hours ago)

Thanks

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:29 (five hours ago)

Seriously, the text I read all those years ago was so negative it might has well have been written by Truffaut himself.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:31 (five hours ago)

Of your list I've only seen– and enjoyed– Green For Danger and They Made Me a Fugitive.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:33 (five hours ago)

I like some other Cavalanti's as well.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:34 (five hours ago)

Aargh. Cavalcanti.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:35 (five hours ago)

Went the Day Well? and even Nicholas Nickelby. David Lean disparaged the latter as how not to do Dickens, but there is some great stuff in it. Among other things, in the cast you will find Stanley Holloway, Bernard Miles, and Sally Ann Howes, along with Michael Balcon's daughter– and Daniel Day Lewis's mother, Jill Balcon.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:41 (five hours ago)

There's a lot of talk about The Party upthread.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:43 (five hours ago)

The text I was talking about is A Critical History of British Cinema, by Roy Armes.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 16:12 (five hours ago)

Found a review! https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00315249.1980.9944034

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 16:12 (five hours ago)

And a review of another book that seems more interesting: https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/pdf/10.3366/JBCTV.2006.3.1.172

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 16:16 (five hours ago)

Anyway, nutshell is that any random British Sellers film is highly likely to be more enjoyable than, say What's New Pussycat?

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:03 (three hours ago)

The first Pink Panther movie is showing before Heavens Above!. I believe it is not as good as A Shot in the Dark but I might try and see it anyway.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:08 (three hours ago)

Tbh I do think your average old British film is less likely to be enjoyable than your average old Hollywood film - a lot of stuff is pretty stodgy and uninspired. But it's an unfair comparison...Hollywood had the greatest artists of Europe running to its shores and of course SO MUCH MORE money. Is the average old British film less likely to be enjoyable than the average old French film? Can't really say, I still haven't explored sufficiently beyond the big masterpieces and don't have a TV channel showing old French films all day long...

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:12 (three hours ago)

I enjoy the first Pink Panther, more for David Niven and Claudia Cardinale being charming than Sellers. You can make it a RIP tribute screening.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:13 (three hours ago)

Was thinking something similar. While I am waiting for Girl with a Suitcase to resurface.

Wrt his comedic Indian persona(e): have we discussed that none other than Satyajit Ray considered casting him in a never-made project called The Alien, also notable for having supposedly "inspired" Spielberg to make E.T.?

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:19 (two hours ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alien_(unproduced_film)

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:19 (two hours ago)

Sellers has some nicely-choreographed scenes of buffoonery in the original Pink Panther which are the highlight of the film. As entertainment, it barely moved the needle for me when Sellers isn't there. Cardinale's scene as a drunk was good for the first three or four minutes, but went on far too long.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:19 (two hours ago)

The Life and Death of Peter Sellers was on TV the other week. odd film, central thesis seems to be that he was an annoying prick.

Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:20 (two hours ago)

I thought Sellers was great in the first Pink Panther, he's either doing or setting up some kind of physical comedy in almost every shot it seems. But there is big chunk of the film in the middle - 20 minutes? - where he doesn't appear at all and instead you get to see Robert Wagner skiing or whatever.

Josefa, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:25 (two hours ago)

Lol

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:31 (two hours ago)

One thing I really like David Niven in is Bonjour Tristresse.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:32 (two hours ago)

_The Life and Death of Peter Sellers_ was on TV the other week. odd film, central thesis seems to be that he was an annoying prick.

Shockah!

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:41 (two hours ago)

I'll never be able to find the exact quote, but I seem to recall one of his wives saying something like "I wish he was that warm, loving character he is on the screen when he was at home."

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:42 (two hours ago)

Which I found extra amusing and disturbing at the same time since that's not quite how I would characterize his screen presence.

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 18:43 (two hours ago)

“I tried so hard to understand Sellers,” Ekland says in retrospect. “I related his dark moods to the pressures and ambiguities of his genius. Where was the warmth, humor, and humanity he generated on the screen? There were interludes when he was truly a loving, gentle, and generous human being, but these moments were like flashes of sunshine.”

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 19:07 (two hours ago)

"The manic, antic, logorrheic crazy man turns out to have some sort of mood disorder/attachment issues etc. Who could ever have guessed?"

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 19:11 (two hours ago)

"You make it sound like that was a bad thing!"

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 19:15 (two hours ago)

As with any big star, there were many blanks for every bullet. One of the projects Peter was involved in that year was The Russian Interpreter, to be directed by Michael Powell. They met at the Dorchester on March 4, 1967, at which time Peter told Powell, the director of such classics as The Red Shoes (1948) and Peeping Tom (1960), that he wasn’t the right director for his own project. Powell asked him who he would suggest. Peter replied, “I don’t know, but not you.” When Powell recorded the incident in his diary, the entry was a single word: “Peterloo.”

Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 September 2025 20:00 (one hour ago)


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