Worst Film of the top 50 of the "ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll" Poll

1. Mulholland Drive (2000 points, 63 votes, 17 first place)

accidentally voted for the Will Ferrell one before I realized I hadn't seen it. Should have voted for I'm Not There.

haven't seen i'm not there but i suspect that's a good pick

fuck you

well i never

of the ones on here i've seen, i'm gonna go with "battle royale"

Donnie Darko!

went with my heart and voted wall e

The Dark Nought

went with my heart and voted wall e

fuck you

Fuck me.

I voted for Shaun.

gonna use my socks to vote for all the tarantinos

The Dark Nought

― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, February 12, 2010 4:14 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

^^^

wait, morbs is a sock?

; )

These film threads have been like the end of a Waltons episode.
"Fuck you, Eric. Fuck you, Morbs."
"Fuck you, table! Fuck you, Alfred."
"Fuck you all -- good night!"

mostly been fuck you karl ;_;

all of these movies are wonderful expressions of the cinematic artform will treasure them always

Gays be telling each other to fuck each other.

These film threads have been like the end of a Waltons episode.
"Fuck you, Eric. Fuck you, Morbs."
"Fuck you, table! Fuck you, Alfred."
"Fuck you all -- good night!"

Can't wait till Thanksgiving.

we should just do a worst film of the decade poll - i think it would actually be interesting.

Fuck you, karl! Fuck you, Lamp!

^_^

What Sara said.

hel

Let's do a Worst Contributor to the ILX Film Poll.

sarahel = first name + middle initial + last initial

then everyone would have a chance to talk about how great some movies were

I don't really have any issues with any of the ones I've seen (33 of them), but I'd say that the Apatow flicks are the more head-scratchy ones in the top 50. And I thought Superbad had a bigger hype-to-quality schism than 40 Y.O. Virgin. So Superbad, even though I really don't think it's super bad. Or even bad at all, really.

of the ones on here i've seen, i'm gonna go with "battle royale"

― birdman mumia (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:12 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fuck you

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:06 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha

the answer is "the incredibles" obvs

Let's do a Worst Contributor to the ILX Film Poll.

― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i know ive already got a certain doctors vote wrapped up ;)

Let's do a Worst Contributor to the ILX Film Poll.

Will there be screencaps?

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Yes!

Ones I've seen and am not thrilled with or just don't really agree are among the 50 best movies of the decade:

The 40 Year-Old Virgin
Best In Show
Superbad
Donnie Darko
Memento
Ghost World
City of God

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tie for me between pan's labyrinth and inglourious basterds

I didn't think anyone on that thread was totally insufferable - there was a lot of good discussion, though I could have done without so much fantasy football "what will place" "how many things on my ballot got in" type of posts, but that seems to be unavoidable with big ilx poll threads.

realistically this p obv o brother w/e

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final boss^

fantasy football stuff is the best part imo

but I really like fantasy football

i prefer Juggalo jokes to fantasy football.

you can get both at once if you think up a good team name

georgia bulljuggalos

wow so many choices. initial instinct is oldboy.

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Ended up voting lost in translation, though the Apatows were tempting; but ultimately I'm not going to fault people for enjoying a comedy even if its not to my taste. Also, I'm not there isn't a very good movie either.

rachel getting married

more like rachel getting bored

bored watching rachel

The Dark Nought

― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:14 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

typo!!!

27. O Brother, Where Art Thou? (469.5 points, 21 votes)

I don't really have any issues with any of the ones I've seen (33 of them), but I'd say that the Apatow flicks are the more head-scratchy ones in the top 50. And I thought Superbad had a bigger hype-to-quality schism than 40 Y.O. Virgin. So Superbad, even though I really don't think it's super bad. Or even bad at all, really.

― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm tempted to vote for Superbad for the same reason. also A History Of Violence was pretty dumb imo, but i think i'm probably going to end up voting for Lost In Translation.

more like rachel getting bored

― harbl, Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i liked this movie but lol

oh wait, jesus, superbad is #25? file that away with all the other recent comedies i didn't really laugh at.

i feel like i've seen superbad on tv 8-10 times in the past three months

me too, except i roll my damn eyes and change the channel if i turn it on to one of the parts where cera is just stammering or whatever

have to say Knocked Up not placing was one of the best surprises of the whole poll, omar's fakeout actually really had me going at first and i was like seeing red

even tho i didn't vote this way on my ballot i def like "pineapple express" better & maybe "observe & report" but i need to see that again

with the massive caveat that i did not vote in or really follow this poll, i'm kind of shocked that stuff like superbad and 40 yo virgin would place, and place highly

tie for me between pan's labyrinth and inglourious basterds

― dyao, Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:35 PM (Yesterday)

sb

xp people like apatow dude

yeah my bad on using two apatow examples but the whole 100 seems a little, uh, m.o.r.?

lol

do you think so

i shouldn't be surprised that the high school movie out of all those Apatows got so high considering how well Freaks & Geeks did in the 00s AND 90s TV polls.

i don't know how you'd expect a poll with over 100 votes to not be MOR -- maybe the film snob crew can get together and decide whose votes should and shouldn't be counted and redo the results

tbh i thought it might be more MOR -- like, more comic book movies than just The Dark Knight, more horror than just Let The Right One In, etc.

nah i just mean i figured i'd see more movies that like i didn't really know anything about or something--like ilm year end polls are not really mor at all imo and i always learn something from them. i'm not really a big film guy so just a little surprised to see some things place really high. lol i will shut up now.

cad, i think you'll know about the same percentage of shit when ilm does the end of decade (or 05-09) poll...

Inglorious basterds just edging out lost in translation

it was a little m.o.r.b. iirc

omar is gonna post stuff that placed below 100 tomorrow, cad

i mean if you're looking for more films you didn't know about

comedies get no respect

Cast my vote for Crapé

maybe the film snob crew can get together and decide whose votes should and shouldn't be counted and redo the results

slantmagazine.com

;-)

As far as Apatow productions go, I thought Forgetting Sarah Marshall was way better than a lot of the other stuff that's gotten hella hype.

broad comedies I would have voted for before the Knocked Up/40YO/Superbad:
Wedding Crashers
Observe & Report
Role Models
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Old School

mean girls too

and Tropic Thunder!

ı really lıked 40YOV/Superbad - dont get the hatıng (asıde from the fact they were popular). but the movıe thread has me convıned ı should see O&R. Old School was pretty good too but Anchorman trumps every comedy mentıoned.

super troopers!

Zodiac - only cos it bored me.

i didn't like Super Troopers I think - was that the one where it starts with the stoners in the car?

Torn between Inland Empire and Donnie Darko. Mind you, American fucking Psycho is also on here wtf.

spirited away

not even sure if ive seen it but ugh

could go with zodiac, or a history of violence but i'm going to give them another look due to repeated stanning from quality film heads on the poll.

so pan's labyrinth, because pretty looking dumbass shit is still dumbass shit.

Torn between The Incredibles and The Dark Knight tbh.

Altho I shouldn't read these threads cos I start turning into Morbs.

oh yeah the incredibles the politics of that were just awful i mean that woman had three kids and never once mentioned an abortion and a movie where superheroes with actual superpowers should actually just have had office jobs instead but indulged in creative hobbies that let them *live* outside of the daily grind and then maybe meet an indie girl and fall in love or maybe not i dunno would have been a far better movie.

o wait it was an awesome animated movie that was fun and looked great and was pretty smart with all of the nice touches and whatnot my bad.

It was some half an hour too long Ayn Rand shit that perma-tarnished Pixar in my head more like.

otm. wasn't that aware it was pixar. trailer for 'up' looks good but i never rly watch cartoons.

Wait it's Friday let's not do this let's just tap-dance the hours away until we can leave work and get in that pub.

never read ayn rand, am getting strong suspicions that i would enjoy maybe. are there superheroes and james bond islands?

anyway- monsters inc and ratatouille were better pixars

can't tap dance, work in public sector therefore shackled

Pretty sure that's a human rights issue

hey you've seen our union guy at work right?

adaptation by a cuntry mile

wtf msn

No I really enjoyed Adaptation, but then I'm a sucker for fourth wall "story-is-about-itself" type things. Then again, I've been trying to watch Southlan Tales in vain, and I still can't take it in in more than 30 min spoonfuls. Would have made a really good TV series - not so much a film.

sorry hm just the way I ~feel~

Ratatouille gets so much love. I don't really understand why. It's not bad, but I don't see it as one of the best at all. First 30 mins of Wall-E are overrated - if I were a kid, I'd probably not have the attention span to get through it. I voted Up as my favourite animation, and yeah I thought the talking dogs thing was stupid, but the early montage deeply upset me for way longer than it was meant to - days even - so they must have done something right.

the key thing in adaptash is brian cox-as-the-screenwriting guru

it's the equivalent of the last ruffalo-jakey scene in zodiac, a thematically very similar film

Ratatouille gets so much love. I don't really understand why. It's not bad, but I don't see it as one of the best at all.

the story lasts for the full movie, as opposed to being something that kicks in after 30 mins of pixar magic.

I do like how preposterous some of these films' premises can be.

"So what you got for us?"
"Well, it's a film about a rat"
"A rat, huh? Tell me more..."
"And he learns to cook"
"A rat who learns to cook? Sounds like gold! How much do you need?"
"Wait I've got another one... It's about an old man in a flying house."
"How does it fly?"
"With balloons... But it's got a really sad bit in it."
"I dunno about this one... Can you throw in some talking dogs?"
"Talking dogs? I'll have to talk with my co-creator. How many talking dogs do you want?"
"Oh, a whole bunch'll do."
"Money please."

Fancy pitching an animated movie with a whimsical premise.

i'm not sure if that's an attack on creative types or business types, but i'm not sure in either case how you expect films to get made.

not an attack at all - i just find it amusing and wonder how these things get past certain committees etc... especially Ratatouille which on paper sounds lunatic compared to, for example, Toy Story or even Wall-E.

i'd imagine sketches and whatnot go on to someone's desk and they go 'run with that for a while'

pixar, by all accounts, is a fun place to work if you're one of their creative types.

I love that aspect too. "And by the way, the title is going to be a culinary pun that a significant proportion of the audience won't know how to pronounce. Is that OK with you guys?"

"We can fix that in Marketing."

final piece of the trinity right there

the weirdest pun is that chipmunks "the squeakquel" film that's been on recently. It took me ages to understand what "squeakquel" was supposed to be a play on "sequel" - it looks so weird and redundant when written down, i was thinking "squee-kel?" "skwaykle?"

???

Great movie btw

when do you go up to big school?

xp

it was advertised on the side of a bus.

i relaise this makes me prime candidate to go on

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way to keep our renowned culture of positivity going, milo

heh because that poll itself was a mine of positivity

still mad at adaptation for stealing the player's ending

I've seen less than half of these, and most of the rest I have little interest in seeing. Of the ones I've seen, none were outright terrible, but I think the least deserving is probably "The Departed", which seems to be kind of a by-the-numbers police thriller, albeit done competently. The one that flirts the most with being outright terrible is "I'm Not There" but I'm enough of a Dylan fanboy to give it a pass.

by WHAT numbers??

one of these

49. The 40 Year-Old Virgin (362 points, 16 votes)
48. Kill Bill: Vol. 2 (364 points, 16 votes)
46. Up (374 points, 18 votes)
30. Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (452 points, 21 votes)
21. The Incredibles (524.5 points, 24 votes, 1 first place)
11. The Royal Tenenbaums (730 points, 29 votes)

'competently'

and in any case, that description is much more apt for zodiac which placed higher.

aw ed y u hate fun maaaayne

I don't hate fun I hate bad movies

and in any case, that description is much more apt for zodiac which placed higher

Could be - that's one of the ones I haven't seen and probably won't.

who am I kidding, I hate fun

fuk u fun

man i hope fun has an older brother that kicks ur ass

still mad at adaptation for stealing the player's ending

― snoocki (s1ocki), Friday, February 12, 2010 10:39 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

excuse me i recall no julia roberts/bruce willis at the end of adaptation.

that's oceans 12

is it weird that I don't really hate any of these? maybe I don't belong here

voted gosford park because I fell asleep while watching it, but don't remember if it was because I was bored or just tired

Anchorman vs. the Dark Knight

"Memento"; a fun gimmick but not much else. But yeah, it's a good list, I've seen almost all of them and don't hate any.

Actually I've seen 48/50 - only missing Battle Royale and 4 Months, 3 Days etc.

I voted Tanenbaums but that's only b/c i somehow missed that Lost in Translation on the list, which I hate much much much more (really just hate TRT b/c of the over-exposure of being a freshman in college when it came out), so account for that when the poll ends.

ghost world pissed me off the most, but still has some great steve buscemi stuff ("blueshammer" is still used as short-hand for shitty bar bands back home) and I still haven't been able to finish Anchorman but I did get a few laughs out of it. voting for Pan's Labyrinth in part because you see more of a stuttering freedom fighter than any of the crazy characters on the poster.

adaptation would probably make my bottom five too

voted cache. i dont think it's terrible but it and haneke generally are obnoxious imo

3. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (1348 points, 47 votes, 6 first place)

If I had two votes, the second would have been for Adaptation.
If I had three, the third would have been for Wall-E.

you all break my heart with the adaptation hate

Oh wait LiT is on this list. Yeah that's the worst. Sorry Ron Burgundy and Bruce Wayne.

I'm sorry, horseshoe! I never meant to hurt you.

it's all right; you're in good company

I've seen 31 of the 50. I'll give Mulholland Drive a pass, so Inland Empire--preposterous! I think the only other instances where I felt like someone had gone right off the rails--and, as with Lynch, it all starts with being a fan of the director going in--were Kill Bill (after which, I was resigned to what the second one was going to be like) and A Serious Man.

Sort of to my surprise I've seen 17 of these, much more than I'd have thought since we're hardly ever able to make it to a movie. Voted for Lost in Translation, which I thought was empty and pretending to be deep, an annoying combo. But maybe I should have picked The Dark Knight, which unlike Lost in Translation is actually kind of a bad movie.

how was LIT pretending to be deep? narcissism is often falsely shallow rite
a load of shit can't be thown at that film but pretentiousness not so much

think probably dd here of those i've seen

Wow, that's weird, I'd have thought the argument about Lost in Translation would be "deep" vs. "pretending to be deep" -- are there really people who see it as an amusing trifle that succeeds at its modest goals?

Also, Anchorman for "least funny comedy."

Please tell me you're doing a sponsored challop.

"succeeds at its modest goals" seems pretty apt. how is it trying to be "deep"? its not about big ideas, its just about a few people doin thangs.

Isn't every film?

i think LiT has legitimate weaknesses (exoticism/racism the most obvious), but i like the central relationship, i like the low-key ethereal vibe of the movie and i think it's well made. its use as a punching bag on a par with something like garden state i think really undersells it. (i also think there's a lot of sexism in reactions to sofia c. in general, tho less so on ilx than elsewhere.)

Isn't every film?

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so did u see sexism re reactions to Virgin Suicides then? xpost

I like Lost in Translation more if it's the movie tipsy mothra describes, so maybe that's what it is and I'm just wrong. In which case I DEFINITELY should have voted for The Dark Knight, which DEFINITELY sees itself as deep, and DEFINITELY sees itself as an exciting action movie, and is neither. But I dunno! Maybe some people see TDK as a modest little film about the relationship between Batman and the commissioner's daughter.

I can see where you can fault Lost in Translation for being too focussed on mood at the expense of everything else, the same thing you might, if you're not in sync with the mood yourself, fault Malick and Gerry and The Piano and Bela Tarr and lots else for. Sometimes such films leave me cold (the last two Malicks), sometimes I get halfway there (Gerry and Werckmeister Harmonies), sometimes they hit me just right (The Piano and Lost in Translation). But I hardly think LiT pretends to be deep; it's just a middle-aged guy and a very young woman adrift, and, for a while, their lives intersect. That's a pretty basic story. I'd contrast that with Inland Empire, which superficially seems to have very ominous and unpleasant truths to tell us about the world, but (my dim memories of a very trying seven or eight hours) is absolutely incoherent and ultimately rather corny.

Of all the ones I've seen are at least good except perhaps for INLAND EMPIRE, which is just an exercise that lots of naive people took seriously and to this day pretend to 1) like and 2) understand.

i guess it's to the poll's credit that 51-100 is way more full of potential worst movies than 1-50.

INLAND EMPIRE is one of my top ten films of all-time and I will never understand it, jackassssss.

so did u see sexism re reactions to Virgin Suicides then?

to the extent that it, like her other movies, got treated like a good-looking shallow movie, yeah. because i think part of that is a judgment on her as being a good-looking shallow director. (and obviously a nepotism case.) i mean, it's hard to talk about the "depth" of her movies, because they're not intellectual exercises. but neither are, say, wong kar-wai's, or malick's. i think the tendency that i've seen now and again to dismiss sofia c. as a product and propagator of a sort of fashion-mag consciousness underestimates how potentially interesting it is to apply that sensibility in other realms.

also i think clemenza's take on LiT is pretty otm, even if i completely disagree about inland empire.

i see. my impression was, very generally, that VS was acclaimed, LiT divided ppl, & Marie Antoinette disappointed ppl, which would be counter to that if true.

err counter to the sexism point, not the wong kar-wai or fashion mag points, which i think are getting away from sexism to something else, like closeness in generation & geography, ppl identifying with her frames of ref etc. so feeling qualified to hate. No accident that VS was a genuine period piece, since that would exempt it from that

i didn't vote in that poll, but LIT would have been at or near the top. pretty sure no male director would have gotten the kind of creepy condescension and overt sexism in some of the critical chatter about sofia coppola's movies (c.f. all the talk about SJ's character or dunst's in 'marie antoinette' being nothing more than stand-ins for SC).

did vote in this poll, for the no. 1 -- i already hate it when ppl tell me about their dreams, so didn't really need to see david lynch's 150-minute fantasy about girls lezzing up.

wow U CUT DAVID LYNCH TO THE VERY CORE dawg

any auteur who makes one character central who is kinda similar is gonna get stand-in speculation.

who cares imo

if yr gonna limit me to posts on shit i really care about there's gonna be a radical dropoff.

cunning plan?

Apply that rule across ILX and you lose three quarters of the posts.

ilxocide

And now back to some unknown randomers who SEE THROUGH ALL THIS PRETENTIOUS EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES SHIT

I stopped watching Inland Empire because it felt like it was cobbled together from discarded parts of Mulholland and Lost Highway, but maybe I will revisit it sometime.

i dont like see random crap in my apartment, WHY WOULD I WANT TO SEE IT ON A MOVIE SCREEN MR LYNCH!?!?

AS A RED-BLOODED HETEROSEXUAL MALE I HAVE NO INTEREST IN WATCHING 2 LADIES KISSING

44/50. Battle Royale followed by Best in Show. BR is death porn and Best in Show is without comedy.

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gee guys sorry for picking on your hero, but i wasn't aware that lynch enjoyed some sort of mysterious exemption from the kind of gut-reaction criticism we get to lob at other movies (you've never found a critically acclaimed film boring? really?).

anyway don't fret it's not as if there aren't more than enough slobbery decade-end reviews of 'mullholland drive' gushing over its pointless parade of random bullshit out there for you.

*slams door*

Ditto. Interesting that if you offer even measured criticism of Lynch, you get loud capital letters and heavy-handed sarcasm lobbed back at you. I'd say Inland Empire operates at about the same level.

NOT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gav8YvXPQWY

suggest bain

Calm down guys.

i disliked both lynch movies as well & said as much on the poll thread & also voted 'mulholland' as worst.

it'll be boring, but in character, if ilx votes the same film worst as it voted best

i haven't seen 'lost in translation' but really like sophia coppola's other films. they didn't strike me as just superficial. i hope this makes sense but my experience is that for a lot of women (& particularly as a teenage girl) 'superficial' things can mean a lot, 'fashion-mag consciousness' isn't just a bunch of nice pictures that you can take or leave - might be healthier if they were, but those images & what they can tell you about society's expectations of women can have a pretty strong impact on your view of the world, if you let them. i don't dismiss this as anti-intellectual or shallow. i frequent a lot of fashion blogs & i've noticed that connected to that world is kind of a subset of tumblr blogs of younger women who are really obsessed with 'virgin suicides' & the whole aesthetic that goes with that. post after post after post of Romantic imagery and fashion photos of superskinny child-women in girly dresses and stuff & it all comes off as this sad depressed unattainable ideal.

and i was fascinated by 'marie antoinette,' wondering what she could or should do, once married in circumstances entirely beyond her control in order to secure some political alliance, other than to have children, and present herself well? i should watch that film again but.. what i thought was interesting was, we're seeing all this extravagance that was about creating a private world, which she didn't have the right to do. it was about having a great appreciation for aesthetics in a world where appearances mattered more than anything, but being completely oblivious to the fact that the public was watching all the time & her role was to appear a certain way for the public, not to construct her own world in private.

gr8t thread so far

you people have the weirdest taste in movies frankly

superbad was hilar

just noticed it. glad that poll has sprawled.

also, donnie darko

i voted 'let the right one in' because i didnt 'get' it and everyone else enjoyed it so much

superbad more like superbad

Lost in Translation gets a pass from me if only for the completely otm scene with the shitty hotel band called Sausalito.

i was mad at donnie darko placing and then i went back and noticed that i had put it on my own ballot

shrug emoticon

i dont think this is a v bad list at all, not really the same as my ballot but nonetheless a list of ok-to-excellent flicks

Yeah there's not much I could seriously hate on in there, I voted Shaun of the Dead in the end because it is so slight plus about 3 good scenes.

im surprised that ive seen all of these

voted Donnie Darko, felt catharsis

INLAND EMPIRE, which is just an exercise that lots of naive people took seriously and to this day pretend to 1) like and 2) understand.

This poll is pretty much proof that after a century-plus of linear-narrative "story" cinema, nearly all of it is fucking boring and unadventurous. Numbingly conservative, if you will.

I really like Inland Empire because I don't understand it.

I will never get tired of people getting tired of people allegedly pretending to like things.

Nearly all of it in this Leaden Age, I mean. The machine is out of gas.

If I wanted to completely "understand" films I'd stick with yer superheroes.

snookerbad

If I wanted to completely "understand" films I'd stick with yer superheroes.

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 13, 2010 7:14 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

didn't you complain about not understanding syndromes and a century?

most of the stuff i see you liking has pretty cogent understandable storylines

which is an idea more than a century old, and nothing to get mad at

there are some interestingly unconventional narratives on this list though, like um... inglourious basterds

I'm pretty sure my equivocation about Syndromes was not a complaint.

The average well-made studio film 50-60 years ago was made by capitalists who were movie men; the difference shows.

well what i find interesting/fun about lynch is that he almost never completely abandons narrative completely. there's obviously a story, or several stories, to be picked out of mulholland drive.

yes, sure. unless we're "pretending" to see them.

btw IB isn't at all unconventional like say Antonionionionioni, Bunuel, Marker etc., or even like Pulp Fiction, so don't expect that.

I wish people were only pretending to like zombie comedies.

i agree w/daria re: sofia coppola's movies, i think they are self-consciously concerned with "superficiality," particularly marie antionette, and i found it fascinating for those reasons. i think sofia coppola probably found parallels between how she perceived the historical figure of marie antionette and the psychology of materialism in contemporary capitalist culture, and i thought that the stylization and narrow focus of the film was meant to highlight these parallels. not that this makes it a great movie, though i thought it was interesting, it didn't really draw me in emotionally.

The average well-made "We Are The World" 20-30 years ago was made by capitalists who were musicians; the difference shows.

deep

it's Rachel Getting Married. easily.

(of the ones i've seen)

otm

sucked in translation

Dark Blight followed by AmPsycho and The Naked Gun IV: Labourious Basterds

what is "dark blight"?

41. The Dark Knight (385.5 points, 21 votes, 1 first place)

Smokey and the Cache

Dark Blight followed by AmPsycho and The Naked Gun IV: Labourious Basterds

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:54 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think it's "worst you've actually seen"

yeah if this was 'movie you're most committed to never seeing' i'da voted for Darko

Rather than vote for a "Worst Film," I voted for the film whose high placement I find to be the most relatively egregious display of aggregate bad (or perverse) taste, Children of Men -- even though I actually kind of liked it.

my experience is that for a lot of women (& particularly as a teenage girl) 'superficial' things can mean a lot, 'fashion-mag consciousness' isn't just a bunch of nice pictures that you can take or leave - might be healthier if they were, but those images & what they can tell you about society's expectations of women can have a pretty strong impact on your view of the world, if you let them. i don't dismiss this as anti-intellectual or shallow.

i think this is exactly right, and i think sofia coppola's movies to a large degree are filtered through an awareness of those scrims, with sort of mixed feelings about how the world presents girls and young women and how it is presented to them. i said her movies aren't intellectual because i don't think she's going exactly for a disquisition into these things so much as sort of refracted representations of them. i think she's more impressionistic than didactic. but anyway, i think she's one of the more interesting people around right now, at least as far as amerindie stuff goes.

Rather than vote for a "Worst Film," I voted for the film whose high placement I find to be the most relatively egregious display of aggregate bad (or perverse) taste, Children of Men -- even though I actually kind of liked it.

I watched this the only night because it was the only high ranking movie I hadn't seen and yeahhhh it was basically an above average violent video game w/ loads of poorly-acted cut scenes. it def wasn't totally devoid of interesting ideas and was visually fantastic, but the acting was SO hammy, messages were SO heavy-handed, characters absurdly one-dimensional - a bunch of npcs whose only purpose is to advance you along the way + are tossed off when you're done. if you would have told me the movie was adapted from a video game I totally would have believed it.

only night = other night

i think it's "worst you've actually seen"

I've actually seen the Nazi jerkoff movie, beeyatch; fuck alla you

not that this makes it a great movie, though i thought it was interesting, it didn't really draw me in emotionally.

Probably a conscious decision to draw back on any sense of emotion, an effect from building a world on film where its so withdrawn from anything recognizable to the viewer?

Going for Kill Bill Vol.1.

iatee, we had a long discussion about the "heavy-handedness" on the original thread, which I remember feeling a lot after my first screening when it came out and not so much when I rewatched it yesterday. I'm curious as to how it came across as heavy-handed to you.

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This poll is pretty much proof that after a century-plus of linear-narrative "story" cinema, nearly all of it is fucking boring and unadventurous. Numbingly conservative, if you will.

We're probably not going to get anywhere on Lynch. I do think there's an undercurrent to some of the advocacy for Mulholland Drive and (especially) Inland Empire that casts aside anyone who dismisses them as unwilling or maybe even incapable of appreciating films that depart from conventional narrative--that if you hate Inland Empire, then it must follow that your favourite film is As Good as It Gets or something. Well, even though I generally prefer that the narrative films I watch do indeed have one, I like and sometimes love things that mess around with or abandon narrative altogether: Persona, Jeanne Dielmann, some mid-60s Godard, etc. I called Inland Empire incoherent upthread, which is not the same thing as weird, obscure, cryptic, or enigmatic, any of which can take you somewhere very worthwhile. Incoherence doesn't take you anywhere, and from Wild at Heart onwards (excepting much of Twin Peaks and The Straight Story), Lynch's weird anti-narratives continually cross the line into self-parody, the work of a guy who's been called a genius often enough that he evidently believes that anything he throws up there must therefore carry significance because it comes from him. Even that hideous troll creature out back of the diner in Mulholland Drive, or its counterpart in Inland Empire, the old gypsy--neither is one-tenth as frightening as Frank Booth or Twin Peaks' Bob. Anyway, I leave you to Lynch's subconscious; I'll continue to hold out hope that he can again climb out of there for long enough to produce something as near-perfect as The Straight Story.

Rather than vote for a "Worst Film," I voted for the film whose high placement I find to be the most relatively egregious display of aggregate bad (or perverse) taste, Children of Men -- even though I actually kind of liked it.

^agreed.

though i might vote Wall-E for the same reason.

iatee, we had a long discussion about the "heavy-handedness" on the original thread, which I remember feeling a lot after my first screening when it came out and not so much when I rewatched it yesterday. I'm curious as to how it came across as heavy-handed to you.

1. the intro is so clunky - I mean baby diego is a funny idea, but the movie/characters spend so long hammering over and over again the fact that no children can be born... just in case the audience was gonna forget after we hear it the first 10 times. info could have been revealed a lot more tactfully throughout - half the conversations in the movie are just used to reveal stuff to the audience about the state of the world. I dunno, do a star wars title screen or have an annoying narrator if that's what it takes. when you use characters like this, they lose their credibility as actual people.

2. his death is annoyingly pointless - improbably dodging bullets for 2 hours and suddenly for no particular (well, no non-jesus-y) reason they decide to let him get hit by a bullet just as the movie's ending / the quest is over.

3. art dude didn't just have famous art pieces, he had DAVID and GUERNICA* and didn't seem to be treating them w/ much reverence for someone who really cares about art - I guess they just couldn't hold back from having guernica as a dining room table sight gag...

*this is like a 'do you SEE??' moment piled on top of another 'do you SEE??' moment cause you have the "nobody cares about art in this nightmarish future" and then "omg it's a famous piece of art about war/suffering/people dying"

4. the boat called "tomorrow" ...lines like "that's weird, the dogs like you and they usually don't like humans!!"..."homeland security"...gah, this movie was just a neverending stream of 'do you SEE??'...and it would be that way even without the jesus stuff.

This poll is pretty much proof that after a century-plus of linear-narrative "story" cinema, nearly all of it is fucking boring and unadventurous. Numbingly conservative, if you will.

um, almost everything in this poll is a linear-narrative story film

I'm sure I'll regret this, but iatee, Zizek has a really - imo - great reading of the famous art pieces in that scene where they aren't the "obvious" symbols that you're reading them as, but the opposite. Ie: That seeing Guernica in the apartment is important because of how destripped it is of value/meaning in its new location. Not because it carries it with it. The clip is on youtube and I think it's worth checking out.

I've actually seen the Nazi jerkoff movie, beeyatch; fuck alla you

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:55 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

right u prefer israeli army jerkoff movies

okay I watched the zizek thing and while what he said might hold true w/ david, I stand by what I said about guernica being a. a set piece b. a piece picked for its 'do you SEE' factor

also I think the zizek clip is pretty telling - he talks about all the great stuff in the 'background' of this movie, but while he's doing it they play a bunch of clips from the movie where the camera PANS to / focuses on something other than owen for 4 seconds.

that is not the 'background' and it doesn't take a quick eye to notice most of these things because the director is dyingggg for you to notice them.

er, not a set piece, a sight gag

it's the director's job to direct your eyes to what he or she think is significant or gives meaning to a scene. why is that a bad thing?

I've actually seen the Nazi jerkoff movie, beeyatch; fuck alla you

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:55 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

right u prefer israeli army jerkoff movies

― snoocki (s1ocki), Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:23 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

O my. I loved both. Whatever am I to do?

jerk off

(i loved both too)

i also loved both. i'm actually kinda bummed Morbz didn't like IB, i thought he would, but maybe i was hoping for too much thinking he could possibly like a film after railing against it for so long before seeing it

it's the director's job to direct your eyes to what he or she think is significant or gives meaning to a scene. why is that a bad thing?

I dunno if it's necessarily a bad thing - it was in reference to the zizek clip where he's going on and on about the hidden treasures in the background

Mordy, I knew what the filmmaker is about, I knew what the vibe of the movie was from the endless media coverage -- how could I not have a good idea what my reaction would be?

Morbs kinda OTM in that respect. It's what's kept me from watching I'm Not Interesting for all these years.

yeah but have you spend 10 hours on ilx explaining to everyone who likes it how bad it is?

spent

Nah, just 7 minutes collectively, probably.

Well, I was surprised and I had seen the same paratexts you had. I wasn't expecting what I had seen, and I remember before you saw the film you made some comment about how the "power of cinema will defeat the Nazis" which you've clearly seen now isn't the case of the film. How cinema throughout the film is a product of the Nazis (they're the only ones who show a film, who become empowered by a film) and the irony is that the film only works in its technical non-cinematic qualities to defeat the Nazis (ie: they're highly flammable). Of course, maybe you don't distinguish between those two things, but I'd think that's different enough from your initial perception. I mean, if I went into the film expecting it'd be this corny bullshit about how the power of the movies can defeat fascism, I'd be a little taken aback from the reality of the film.

but maybe i was hoping for too much thinking he could possibly like a film after railing against it for so long before seeing it

thinking he'll like anything is always hoping for too much

tbh i think Morbs' decision to finally watch the movie was his own cracked valentine to ilx

haha

I believe he secretly liked it but doesn't want to admit that to ILX

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

haha, there were THINGS i liked in the film. But the way it's fetishized by the sub-35 crowd absolutely fucking makes me want to burn every goddamn print of it.

yeah but have you spend 10 hours on ilx explaining to everyone who likes it how bad it is?

Dude, I was unemployed.

Fetishized over -- what? F

s1ocki and i are in our *60s*

morbs i think you've made more of a fetish object of this film than any of us. you're practically the "inglourious basterds guy" here now! i think you've probably spent more time talking about it, stewing over it and generally DEALING with it than any of us!

Alfred: all the stupid shit. "Mexican standoffs," endless conversation, splatter violence used artily, etc. People who never heard of Emil Jannings before boring the pants off their German-film professor.

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"You can't win, s1ocki."

what a tragedy that kids of today are getting interested in german cinema of the early 20th century

damn you tarantino

damn you

you guys shd be locked in a room w/ me & Armond for 2 hours to 'discuss' this

kids of today are getting interested in german cinema of the early 20th century

NIGGA PLZ

even dropping n bombs like a classic tarantino character!

But the way it's fetishized by the sub-35 crowd

But it wouldn't be a film thread without Morbsian hyperbole, I guess.

#10 for the decade is abominable enough!

I would just invoke radio legend Tom Scharpling's quote that QT now makes hommages "to the terrible movies he likes."

Despite how this poll turned out, I really don't think it's that exalted.

Also, I saw Couples Retreat this weekend. If anyone really wants to bitch about shitty films, there are a lot, lot worse out there. I know that's a tired argument, but when the bitching spreads across more than 5 threads, it's all pretty tired.

Donny Darko is like the Wilco of movies

while Inglorious Basterds is the Big Black, it seems.

no, I think it's more like Queens of the Stone Age

(ie relatively awesome)

xp

I liked Big Black!

Albini shd burn in hell obv

People who voted for IB thought it was the around the 15th best movie of the decade, and that's inflated by when it came out. No one thought it was the best.

Not everyone is as in love with cinema as you, Morbs (though it's pretty freaking rare that anyone see you say anything good about movies). It's silly to expect everyone to have seen nearly as many as you, or as many foreign films, or even to be as comfortable with subtitled films (much less slow, subtitled films). The medium is about entertainment, first and foremost - and while ILX is somewhat more discerning in its idea of entertainment than the average US/UK audience, it's not Cahiers up in here.

it's pretty freaking rare that anyone see you say anything good about movies

ridiculous; do you want my list of 100 from the '00s?

But that's ILE's problem.

Sure, but that's not my problem with Morbs' attitude; it's his impugning the motives of IB's supporters, as if they couldn't like Emil Jannings and Christoph Waltz at the same time.

xpost

No, I've seen you praise movies, but there's never any spark of joy to it, IMO. (nb: I don't read your Slant reviews, so I'm not talking about your writing, just what we get to experience here on ILX)

Everything you say about film strikes me as competition - geared to prove that your tastes and viewership are superior to the rest of the mouth breathers, those poor suckers whose lives revolve around Apatow/IB/ et al..

what can i tell ya? i think anyone who claims J-Timbo makes good records is a mouthbreather too.

Thank goodness the pellucid prose of Dennis Perrin helps us breathe through our noses.

Donny Darko is like the Wilco of movies

plz stop having opinions

Donnie Darko is like the American Idiot of movies?

milo, what do you need for proof of the "spark of joy"?

sorry Alfred, I knew I'd get it for damning that Nilla Wafer with legs.

Ever dipped Nilla Wafers in milk? Yum!

hey, leave Big Black out of discussion about awful Tarantino films, MOUTH BREATHER
(and yes Albini seems like kind of a terrible person)

google nilla and find morbius

aw c'mon albini delivers xmas gifts to poor ppl

He delivers J-Timbo records to the poor.

i like Big Black and Shellac and a lot of other bands he recorded, i guess he doesn't like to say 'produced.' read quite a few interviews with him and he always came off as wicked smart but really hostile.

pretty much the impression I always got too

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Donnie Darko is clearly the Moon & Antarctica of movies

This thread is very ( )

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

pfft

1. Mulholland Drive (2000 points, 63 votes, 17 first place) 10
13. Inland Empire (696 points, 25 votes, 1 first place) 3

I know this is a case of which one more people have seen. And I actually think I sort of prefer IE to MD. But ... what.

i think it being voted #1 had a lot to do with that

26. American Psycho (473 points, 21 votes) 0

Okay, you're all mad.

How ironic, considering Mulholland Dr. is much better than INLAND EMPIRE. As mentioned above, perhaps more people have seen MD and then gave up on Lynch.

it's clearly A History of Violence. overrrrrrrrrrrated sledgehammer-esque movie.

ilxors in having shitty taste shocker

i mean, y'all voted in fucking NAPOLEON DYNAMITE

wtf is The New World doing on that list, too....

After all vetoes and holds have been applied, I believe Grizzly Man now becomes the ILX Attrition Consensus Best Film of the 00s.

hahaha if warner herzog was to direct a film bout a toys 'r us employee who has lactose intolerance half the ppl here would be like OMG MOVIE OF THE DECADE

OMG MOVIE OF THE DECADE

OMG MOVIE OF THE DECADE EXCLUDING MONTHS APRIL-DECEMBER IN NONCONSECUTIVE YEARS

lol i knew my favorite film of decade would top this list.

yea wtf lost in translation was awesome

toys 'r us employee who has lactose intolerance is a deleted scene from ^^

oh whatevs man warner herzog gets free passes from everyone!!1!

oh whatevs man warner herzog gets free passes from everyone!!1!

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:55 (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

Except, of course, for the corny narration on Encounters at the End of the World.

no1 understands me but my girl

zombie Bill Murray will eat your braaaaaains

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want my pizza. now.

I would just invoke radio legend Tom Scharpling's quote that QT now makes hommages "to the terrible movies he likes."

Um, but Tom actually dug Inglourious Basterds a lot, so it's kinda disingenuous to use him in this context. You being aware of anything he's said, though, leads me to believe that you must be Spike, and I claim my $5.

For the record, I voted Mulholland as my top film of the decade, and I love it unreservedly, but I can wholly and completely understand why a person might hate it. It's a batshit movie with lots of scenes that go nowhere, plus lots of the usual goofball Lynchian tropes, and it was cobbled together from a television pilot. There are lots of valid arguments against it, but I still think it's brilliant and works beautifully nonetheless.

yea but the arguments often deevolve into "it dint make sense" too quickly with that one. i just hate that it's all on one track on the dvd. i mean i respect u mr. lynch on how you want people to watch teh whole movie without skipping scenes but that also means when yer goddamn cat steps on the remote and turns off the dvd player, YOU HAVE TO FAST FORWARD FOR A GODDAMN HOUR TO GET BACK

wants to skip to lezzing^

has no cat

I agree w/ the results of this poll way more than the real poll

I mean...assuming that someone held (f'rinstance) Kubrick up as a sort of paragon of filmmaking, someone whose work functions like an efficient, well-oiled, logical machine with no wasted parts, I can see that person being absolutely twitterpated by the unwieldy, gut-level mess that is Lynch at even his most reigned-in. Lynch is all instinct, and I understand why that might be a turn-off to someone who values intellect more.

I still don't know how to ffwd DVDs

i don't like either lynch (ya heard) or kubrick (much - i respect the craft a hell of a lot, but as a matter of personal taste no, except 'dr strangelove' which rules). they seem more alike than not to me. extremely controlling.

that's a bizarre criticism to make of a filmmaker.

i like plenty of 'unwieldy, gut-level mess' type films, i think i just don't find lynch's artistic fixations that interesting. his later films just feel like he's repeating the same tropes from his earlier films (all that roy orbison scene in 'MD' did was remind me of the much better one in 'blue velvet') without improving on them.

on the other hand, it's way easy to caricature/overstate kubrick's 'logical' side. 'the shining' is, in a lot of ways, a far more inexplicable and extravagantly bizarre film than 'MD', but one that engages and interests me a hell of a lot more.

that's a bizarre criticism to make of a filmmaker.

would you prefer i made a mundane criticism? which kind would be appropriate? please advise

19. Adaptation (545.5 points, 27 votes) 1

fuiud

calling a director extremely controlling is surely a bit of a tautology? iunno, don't have any time for kubrick myself tho hi5

16. Lost in Translation (597.5 points, 28 votes) 13
1. Mulholland Drive (2000 points, 63 votes, 17 first place) 10

fuck that!

ILXors taste of music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their taste of film.

it's clearly A History of Violence. overrrrrrrrrrrated sledgehammer-esque movie.

― Ballistic, Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:41 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark

if only it were more like sledge hammer!

ilx's taste in hating stuff >>> ilx's taste in liking stuff

Which is why I wonder why Hitchens isn't respected more.

Wouldn't that fuck with ILX's poor record in liking stuff?

yes! good results (except that no one voted for History of Violence) (and instead voted for Anchorman).

what is ilx's taste in being ambivalent about stuff?

only alright

Self-important pricks standing around in their berets and jodhpurs, barking orders into megaphones. There should be a word for such people.