Just been picked up for a first season.
I don't know anything about this but the fantasy genre is expensive and so 2k3 really isn't it?
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
It will for this nerd!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
fwiw every show HBO has is just for nerds but everyone else watches them anyway
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
this might be dope
― carne asada, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
are the books good?
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
YES
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
also: Sean Bean as Eddard Stark
FUCK YES
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
'good if you're a fan of the fantasy genre and are cool with the Dragonlance series' or 'good' in the general sense.
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
GOOD GOOD
― The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING FROM ILX
― The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
did a search for 'Game of Thrones' to see if this show was already mentioned, and saw nothing about it or the books so...no?
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
REALLY GOOD GOOD
this nerd is v v v v excited
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Anticipating "A Feast For Crows" by George R. R. Martin (Nov. 9)
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
George R. R. Martin
― The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
whoops. just searched 'game of thrones'. i actually wikipediaed this ages ago when the pilot was first announced. it's coming back to me.
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
This will be awesome. I gave up on the books after the first two, but would still like to see it on teevee.
― crazy ass between (askance johnson), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Third book is probably the best.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd agree with that
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ok so what's going to happen when this show becomes wildly successful and 4 years from now they run out of god damn source material
― did you mean: fart blasters? (nickalicious), Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh if they've any sense they'll get to the end of book four about two and a half seasons in
― thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
also: 'they will come up with their own ending, more quickly and as validly as george r r martin manages to come up with his'
amazing that its been 4 or 5 years since i was really into these books and the next one's still not out...dude isn't gonna finish the series is he :(
it's definitely good tv series material though if they're willing to run it out long enough and don't try to cram each book into a single season (the 3rd book alone is like as long as the entire lord of the rings iirc)
― ciderpress, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
you think they ought to make it longer? u mad
― thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
not necessarily make it longer, just not do 1 book = 1 season when the books are of varying length and plot complexity (4th book could be cut down by a ton for example to make room for more stuff from the 3rd book)
― ciderpress, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
They could just do more episodes for the season w/ the 3rd book. I don't see how they could split it up though.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 27 March 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Gobbled up all the books on the recommendation of ILXors. I'm looking forward to the HBO show, but mostly I just want the new book! And then I guess there are two MORE of these books that he has to write, in-between blogging about the Jets and going to fantasy conventions? Sigh...
― schwantz, Saturday, 27 March 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
expected to air around this time next year, alongside the second season of Treme.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Can't wait for the crossover episode.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MophfvUlfI
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link
1 book = 1 season makes total sense
they can make that work
― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:49 (fourteen years ago) link
also hbo shows arent always 1 season = 1 year
sopranos took long breaks
― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Never read the books, but pretty keen on watching this.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 19 June 2010 13:11 (fourteen years ago) link
what is the point of this if the dude won't even finish the books???? Goddamn stop re-writing them already!!!
― ears are wounds, Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:29 (fourteen years ago) link
― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:50 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
name one HBO show besides Sopranos that didn't/doesn't do a new season every year
― fantast (ico) (some dude), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link
actually, I'll name another, Curb Your Enthusiasm, but i think that's it
― fantast (ico) (some dude), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link
The Wire had a significant gap between seasons 3 and 4, but that was partly because they weren't sure if they were going to renew it.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link
at this point, I am wondering if it might not be better if some talented cable TV writers finished this thing for him. I am losing faith that he has any idea where he is going with these books.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
We should start bitching about the BSG/Lost style finalefail.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Turns out Tyrion is Jesus.
― schwantz, Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
big love took a break right?
― ian, Sunday, 20 June 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
If it hasn't it needs to.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 June 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Carcetti is Littlefinger
That character means nothing to me obv.
― orakle-krake (Gukbe), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
FUCK YEAH THAT IS BRILLIANT!!!!!
― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, that is good casting
― richie aprile (rockapads), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
ditto
Really looking forward to this!
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
more teasing
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Monday, 13 September 2010 06:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I hope this starts a trend of classy TV fantasy adaptations. Someone should do Perdido Street Station (though would be fucking expensive). Do these books have monsters and magic and shit, or is it just guys fighting with swords?
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 13 September 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
They have dragons and undead.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 September 2010 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
only in the first and last episodes of this season though, that saves you some money right there
― thomp, Monday, 13 September 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
perdido street station feels basically like a miniseries already! which is unfortunate in that the other bas-lag stuff wouldn't really work as further series of.
Exclusive EW pics
Martin has penned the 8th episode.
Also EW On the Set
There's a new language or something that's better than Klingon it says.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGuIhhyNX-oLooks nice and wintry
― Number None, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Wasn't the guy in the first scene of the trailer also in the Lord of the Ring movies? I guess all "serious" fantasy movies/series now have to look kinda murky with muted colours, since LotR did that. Will anyone make a colourful fantasy movie anymore?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah thats sean bean... ive been reading the first book and im not a fantasy guy at all but its p. good... a lot of the early parts of the story take place in a wintery shithole, which limits your color choices... plus its kind of 'gritty' fantasy and they wanna convey that style/mood...
lotr movies were pretty colorful imo, like that part where they're in elfburg and the dwarf goes AND U HAVE MY AXE... lots of stuff actually... its just the color palette changes depending on context... i mean what do you want dude, rainbows over mount doom..
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipr-wS5iBv0 (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 10:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, not necessarily, of course it depends on the story... It's just that every recent live action fantasy seems to have had a similar muted colour palette as LotR, as if gritty fantasy was suddenly the only choice. For example, based on the trailer the Avatar The Las
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, not necessarily, of course it depends on the story... It's just that every recent live action fantasy seems to have had a similar muted colour palette as LotR, as if gritty fantasy was suddenly the only choice. For example, based on the trailer the Avatar The Last Airbender movie has the same kind of look even though the source material is actually quite colourful and fun.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
have you read the books? if there is one story that needs to look "gritty", it's this one.
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
So is each season going to be one book?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
God, I hope not. To me the best way to do it would be to break it down and rearrange in a linear timeline. Jump around between characters, like any good television drama with a ton of characters tends to do.
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
It's just that every recent live action fantasy seems to have had a similar muted colour palette as LotR, as if gritty fantasy was suddenly the only choice.
yes because there have been so, so many live action fantasy movies recently
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
still lolling at "muted color palette of LotR"
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not fantasy, it's HBO
A decent little write-up about the 10-minute making of that premiered and also the branding of the show.
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 December 2010 05:43 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, and that Inside of Game of Thrones featurette:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJR3eBfcusM
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 December 2010 05:49 (thirteen years ago) link
This looks so good. I really, really hope it succeeds and gets George off his fat ass to finish the story before they catch up.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ5p18wIQEI
April cannot come soon enough.
― schwantz, Monday, 17 January 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
im still peeved they didnt get tamzin merchant to play daenerys. her replacement doesnt look inbred enough imo. at least they got the iron throne right.
and yes this will be just for nerds.
― ☆, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Hopefully it will do for us nerds who haven't read the books as well.
― Rejoice that you weren't eaten (chap), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i have the speakers off, did they cut this trailer to 'power'
this looks so awful. the throne of swords is a pretty stupid idea for a visual and this is not executed in any way that'd serve to redeem that
― thomp, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I pulled out my old copy to read again before the adaption starts and I'd totally forgotten I have an autographed copy.... lol.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
hi five!
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
also that counts as a humblebrag, right? ;)
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm on storm of swords now. it's good, but i liked the first book best. should be incredibly easy to adapt for cable!
here's some big-ass pics:
http://i.imgur.com/0NlAW.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/xLJ3Y.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/vUc0i.jpg
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
am 3/4 of the way through the first book...freaking love it!
those photos make me p excited for the tv show
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I should have followed that up with #humblebrag
Looking at prices on eBay I'm wondering if I should just sell this thing, or wait a few more years?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
wait until he's dead, yes
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
holy crap @ the wall, that is impressive. is the 2nd one supposed to be winterfell? don't remember things well enough to ID the first one, maybe the lannisters' castle? that was by the ocean iirc
i'm real tempted to reread the books now that the 5th one finally has a release date and i don't remember most of the plot details, but that's like...4000 pages of pulp fantasy when i already have a long list of new and probably better things to read, damn. i'll probably do it anyway
― ciderpress, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
whatever you do Jon, DON'T TOUCH THE BOOK AT ALL, EVER.
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Those pics are awesome. I am pretty excited about this show.
― ENBB, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
ya first one is king's landing, second is winterfell
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
the casting is looking pretty good too
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah
― ENBB, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Need to re-read but books completely boxed up and unreachable in storage!! ;_;
― go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
very excited about hearing my first name spoken repeatedly on tv.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Viserys?
― go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
those pictures look pretty rad. i usually like this kind of stuff better when there are actors and, like, vistas, so that's another reason i'm looking forward to the adaptation, although the books were def A Cut Above.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"robert"
nah theon.
I've mostly gotten off the endless/knotted/OTT/hyperinvolved fantasy saga train by now for a variety of reasons -- changed foci of interest in life, etc. -- but I think I'll be good with this to watch as it stands. If anything I think I'm glad that it's been adapted rather than trying to imagine dealing with the whole series; if it delivers as good drama that's all I need, really. I have absolutely no doubt that if I was twenty years younger I would long since have memorized all the books backwards and forwards -- but I grew up when I did and I got, well, Dragonlance.
(My dream extended adaptation wouldn't actually be a fantasy series but would be a hell of a blast -- Dorothy Dunnett's Lymond/Niccolo cycles, set in Renaissance/16th century Europe; if you want hyperinvolved plotting across decades and shades of grey characterization, you want to read these ASAP. And she completed it all before she passed so no regrets a la Jordan.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'd say Martin is 90% likely to pull a Jordan at this point given his age/health and how slowly he's written the 5th book of supposedly 7 or 8
― ciderpress, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm less convinced than everyone else that GRRM's gonna die before finishing. There's only 2 more books and he's only 62. Does he have any known health issues aside from the obesity?
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure people are totally convinced he's gonna pop his clogs, it's more of a fatalist thing after what happened with RJ
― Number None, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost -- I suspect the only reason everyone's all thinking it might happen now is that people joked about it in re: Jordan for years and then he actually DID die and now people are all "MARTIN WE ARE PARANOID ABOUT YOU AND YOUR HEALTH ARGH"
(Or what Number None just said.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't thing i could stomach another writer finishing these ala WOT though
― Number None, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
A Song of Ice and Fire's epic conclusion, by Nicholas Sparks.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
;_;
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i think he can definitely write 2 more books if he sticks to his guns, i'm more worried about him stretching the story out into more than 7 books. he's already done this once, it was originally gonna be 6 books and then A Feast for Crows was sandwiched in later, and it seems like each time he gives a new character a voice, even if they were in the storyline already, it just increases the scope of the whole thing.
― ciderpress, Friday, 25 March 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i'll feel better about it if some of the separated characters' plotlines start to merge again in the next book, there was just so much fracturing of the plot by the end of book 3 and none of that's been resolved yet iirc
― ciderpress, Friday, 25 March 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Must be kind of cool to have hundreds of thousands of people actively willing you to remain alive though. Maybe that's why he doesn't want to finish?
― Number None, Friday, 25 March 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
where was this filmed? i want to guess the winterfell area is scotland but i have no basis for that
― ciderpress, Friday, 25 March 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe i'm just mentally linking The Wall with Hadrian's Wall or something
― ciderpress, Friday, 25 March 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
ireland, scotland and malta iirc
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Friday, 25 March 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought some was in Morocco too but I might be wrong.
― ENBB, Friday, 25 March 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish I had HBO now. That ice wall looks nice. I cannot even remember half of what I read tho. ;_
― I expected big laughs from "Corky Romano" (brownie), Friday, 25 March 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
part of the reason im pysched for the series is that it makes rereading at least one of the books unnecessary
― http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/Lendo80/fbgm.gif (Lamp), Friday, 25 March 2011 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Every time I read about 'Sansa' my brain automatically starts chanting 'Sansabelt! Sansabelt! Sansabelt!'
― VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 26 March 2011 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I started re-reading this, and I have to say I am worried that the show will sort of overwrite my own visualization of the various locations, kind of like Lord of the Rings did, despite my best efforts to resist it. May skip the show.
― rockapads, Saturday, 26 March 2011 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link
LOTR overwrote the visualisations from the Bakshi film for me, so an improvement.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 26 March 2011 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
really dig the king's landing/winterfell contrast in those first two pictures. one of my favorite things in these books is (extremely minor spoiler) how homesick sansa gets for winterfell, and how defensive she is about the way it looks--low and grey and, um, stark, in a way she didn't know she loved when she was there, and didn't know was so much like her, cuz she thought she was all king's-landing-glam.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 26 March 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah my own visualization of winterfell wasn't quite as cloud-city-ish but i really love how it looks there anyway
― ciderpress, Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i like how both castles have architectural styles that aren't just plucked straight from the medieval europe cliche of a castle
― ciderpress, Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
On first impressions, I don't thing it's stark enough? The interiors could win me over but in a general way, isn't constructing round buildings a lot more work and finesse-y than square ones? Doesn't seem in keeping, all the extra labor and attention just to result in some inconveniently round rooms.
― go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with that. I definitely didn't picture it to be some kind of architectural marvel. it's supposed to be ancient.
― rockapads, Saturday, 26 March 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
it's been awhile since i've read these i'm pretty sure bran the builder (i swear i had to look him up!) was famous for his building.
― dynamicinterface, Saturday, 26 March 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
There's nothing particularly fancy about a rounded castle tower, and when they're built that way it's for a reason - they protect against siege weapons differently than a square building would. It's not exactly how I pictured Winterfell either, but it's a valid design decision that doesn't contradict anything we know about the Starks (and yeah, Brandon the Builder gets mentioned a lot... there's supposed to be a great architectural tradition in the North, eg. the Wall)
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 27 March 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
u r the biggest shithead
― ENBB, Sunday, 27 March 2011 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
also can I just:
"NERRRRRRRD"
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 27 March 2011 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh this series is probably third only to LOTR and harry potter for fans geeking out over minute details
― ciderpress, Sunday, 27 March 2011 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
(eep shithead comment on wrong thread btw)
― ENBB, Sunday, 27 March 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a relief!
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 27 March 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
lol lol
― Godspeed HOOS! Black Steendriver (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 27 March 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
tamtam i find it ridiculous that you have read these for some reason
that is some ugly composited architecture, the wall one has two horizons ffs
― thomp, Sunday, 27 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
My "nerd" comment 100% meant for tamtam...I kid bc I love
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 27 March 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
haha thom, as i was composing that post i imagined you coming along and registering disgust with me
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Monday, 28 March 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
First 15 minshttp://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones/about/video/exclusive-preview.html/eNrjcmbO0CzLTEnNd8xLzKksyUx2zs8rSa0oUc-PSYEJBSSmp-ol5qYy5zMXsjGyMXIyMrJJJ5aW5BfkJFbalhSVpgIAXbkXOA==
― Number None, Monday, 4 April 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, I keep looking but I'm not seeing these two horizons at all.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 April 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Already watched much of those 15 minutes through teasers, but still nice to see. Especially inside Winterfell. Was hoping to get the show's title sequence, though.
― abcfsk, Monday, 4 April 2011 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link
looked great...looking fwd to the start of this.
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Monday, 4 April 2011 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Productions values are satisfyingly high anyway
― Number None, Monday, 4 April 2011 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link
From the mid-season tv thread:
Not going to the Game of Thrones thread(s), but as someone who's never read the books, should I try to get in on the miniseries?― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:16 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkYES― VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:19 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkNot going to the Game of Thrones thread(s), but as someone who's never read the books, should I try to get in on the miniseries?― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, April 16, 2011 6:16 PM (1 hour ago) BookmarkThe thread for the series is spoiler-free I believe.― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:03 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinki tried reading the book a couple years ago but i hated the writing and never got more than 40 pages in. that said, reviews for the show have been stellar so far and i'm really excited for it.― Mordy, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:12 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkstellar? NYT and slate both hated it― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:26 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkBoth those reviewers seemed to have chips on their shoulders― Number None, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:31 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkand the Slate review is basically unreadable― Number None, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:33 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkYeah, I was reading something someplace that compared it favorably to a D&D The Wire (possibly on Wired.com?).― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:33 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkFrom the NYT review: While I do not doubt that there are women in the world who read books like Mr. Martin’s, I can honestly say that I have never met a single woman who has stood up in indignation at her book club and refused to read the latest from Lorrie Moore unless everyone agreed to “The Hobbit” first.In other words, I don't think Ginia Bellafante is predisposed to this sort of fare.― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:36 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/ilana-teitelbaum/game-of-thrones-hbo_b_850014.html― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:41 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:16 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:19 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Not going to the Game of Thrones thread(s), but as someone who's never read the books, should I try to get in on the miniseries?
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, April 16, 2011 6:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
The thread for the series is spoiler-free I believe.
― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:03 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i tried reading the book a couple years ago but i hated the writing and never got more than 40 pages in. that said, reviews for the show have been stellar so far and i'm really excited for it.
― Mordy, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:12 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
stellar? NYT and slate both hated it
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:26 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Both those reviewers seemed to have chips on their shoulders
― Number None, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:31 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and the Slate review is basically unreadable
― Number None, Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:33 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, I was reading something someplace that compared it favorably to a D&D The Wire (possibly on Wired.com?).
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:33 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
From the NYT review:
While I do not doubt that there are women in the world who read books like Mr. Martin’s, I can honestly say that I have never met a single woman who has stood up in indignation at her book club and refused to read the latest from Lorrie Moore unless everyone agreed to “The Hobbit” first.
In other words, I don't think Ginia Bellafante is predisposed to this sort of fare.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:36 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ilana-teitelbaum/game-of-thrones-hbo_b_850014.html
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:41 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Heather Havrilesky from NYT doesn't dislike it but has some interesting thoughts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Riff-t.html
Sepinwall loved it, VanDerWerff really liked it, but they have the advantage of 6 episodes.
― Gukbe, Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, and should we throw down some ground rules if people are going to be discussing this week-by-week? i.e. if you've read the books don't discuss anything further than where we are, but discussion of any differences in the TV show and the books from what we've seen is fine.
― Gukbe, Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
obv i know but we don't want another Doctor Who thread on our hands.
and to breakdown VanDerWerff's thoughts from his podcasts:
He has larger issues with HBO moving away from episodic television, and those issues manifest themselves in GoT. He wasn't too enthused when he'd watch one episode, but when he'd watch two in a row he'd really be into it. Also aside from the nudity of one character, he finds a lot of it to be somewhat gratuitous.
Also, Myles McNutt has a series of posts in the lead-up:
A Televisual Love Letter
A Question of Taste
On Winter's Doorstep
― Gukbe, Saturday, 16 April 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
and Zoller Seitz has weighed in on the reviews:
Slate, NYT to fantasy buffs: Grow Up
― Gukbe, Saturday, 16 April 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
that seitz article is good
it's basically getting two kinds of reviews as far as i can tell - good ones, and fantasy-hating dismissive ones (i didn't think there'd be so many of these!)
Oh, and should we throw down some ground rules if people are going to be discussing this week-by-week? i.e. if you've read the books don't discuss anything further than where we are, but discussion of any differences in the TV show and the books from what we've seen is fine.― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:51 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:51 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
this seems sufficient to me
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 16 April 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Sepinwall loved it, VanDerWerff really liked it, but they have the advantage of 6 episodes.― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:49 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:49 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
i think almost every reviewer is working w/the first 6 eps btw
Fantasy-hating dismissive reviews make me want to take up my sword >:(jerks
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 17 April 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Gukbe's ground rules sound good to me too.
― ENBB, Sunday, 17 April 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Alan Sepinwall gave it a great review: http://hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/review-hbos-game-of-thrones-an-epic-mature-well-crafted-fantasy-series
― Mordy, Sunday, 17 April 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
JESUS, this is starting tonight! For some reason I thought it was next fall.
― brownie, Sunday, 17 April 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
so excited!
― Mordy, Sunday, 17 April 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
WOOHOOO
― the zing cheese incident (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 17 April 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
HBO doesn't do itunes season passes do they? may have to break my moratorium on bittorrent to watch these without waiting months
― ciderpress, Sunday, 17 April 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yayayayayayaay
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 17 April 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I got an invitation from someone who has HBO!!!!!! Pretty excited over here.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Sunday, 17 April 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
No HBO. Gonna try to stream or download it.
― ENBB, Sunday, 17 April 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lets do this
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 17 April 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Started watching but the stream was shut down. So how was it?!
― ENBB, Monday, 18 April 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It was good. The story doesn't really start moving along until farther along in the story. This was more just of an introduction. What makes it so good is the characters and what happens to them.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
so that was the queen and her brother at the end there?
― Gukbe, Monday, 18 April 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah. "the things I do for love"
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Production was second to none. Great look and sound to this. Having read the book I was also pleased with the storytelling. The one gripe I have is at the end of the episode, which diverges from the book as I remember it. But a minor point.
― calstars, Monday, 18 April 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
The sets look great, as was the dialogue. And I had planned on expecting them to change some things in the story line. There is a lot to the story.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The one gripe I have is at the end of the episode, which diverges from the book as I remember it. But a minor point.
― calstars, Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:25 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark
Yeah, that was the only change I didn't care for. Otherwise, pretty good.
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 18 April 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
AV Club review claims this is the weakest of the first six eps.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 18 April 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a lot of build up and character introduction, mostly. You get to start seeing the viciousness of some of the characters as it goes along.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Sooooo sad I missed it this week, had prior engagement to see a good friend place music. But I do think I have a place to watch it squared away in the future (with Laurel!) so that is dope as hell.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 18 April 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty good! The only thing for me was all the boobage...I mean, it fit with the story and all but it also felt like they were meeting some kind of HBO quota
Love Dinklage as Tyrion, and <3 Sean Bean as Ned Stark, casting is top notch. Danerys and Drago are so spot on it's kind of scary.
One other small thing is that I wished they'd shown Danerys riding the horse Drago gives her, how much she loves it the way they describe in the book... seemed like a missed opportunity to me?
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Sean Bean is great in the role. It's unfortunate that in this and lotr he plays such tragic characters.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
He's so good at it though....think that face was pretty much made for it.
It's funny though, every time I see him I sigh a little and say "Oh brave Boromir" lol
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
It is a very solemn face. To a degree Boromir and Ed Stark are similar characters... both trying to save the kingdom.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
sigh swoon noble hero
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
ok just caught up w/ this, really enjoyed it. it seems as if they're gonna write Theon out of the story completely, which makes sense since iirc he doesn't actually do much until the 3rd or 4th book and even then isn't a crucial character. everything else seemed like it was plotted straight from the book, i didn't catch whatever difference you folks were talking about at the end but i haven't read the books in 6 years so maybe my memory's off.
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
bran overhears queen and bro talking about their conspiracy, so it's not just that he sees them doing the nasty that gets him pushed out the window, it was that he had knowledge of their plot also
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i doubt they're writing Theon out, he just doesn't have much to do in book 1 besides smirk a lot.
re: the ending of the episode, in the book when Bran stumbles onto jaime & cersei he listens in on them for a while and hears about a bunch of ~intrigues~ before watching them bone - i can understand why they cut it out, but i missed it all the same
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 18 April 2011 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
xp
allmypulp's last two posts seem a little spoilery to me, maybe a mod should edit them? not to be all thread police-y but
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 18 April 2011 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I won't argue if they are. But you may want to edit some of the reviews that are listed, since they contain spoilers also.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link
allmypulp: just understand that there's several people on here watching this who haven't read the books, and this series has a lot of huge out-of-nowhere plot twists so it's particularly prone to spoiler-ruination
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:35 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a good warning! xp
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 18 April 2011 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, that's fair. Well I would've liked to more of Theon also. But it is just the first episode which I enjoyed, and am still anticipating the rest.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i don't remember theon doing anything interesting at least until book 2.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link
(sadface.)
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 18 April 2011 06:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Peter Dinklage is the best.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 18 April 2011 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
actually my mistake, it looks like Theon is cast, he just didn't get pointed out yet. wouldn't be surprised if they play down his story anyway though, at least for the first season
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 April 2011 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Who is Theon I have read book 1 and don't even know who he is
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 07:17 (thirteen years ago) link
He's Ed Starks ward from an island that rebelled against the king, so he's held as hostage by the Ed Stark under the pretense of being a "ward".
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 07:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I really wasn't taken with the sex/nudity aspects of the pilot, but there's definitely some promise here. (I'm not familiar with the books at all.)
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 18 April 2011 08:50 (thirteen years ago) link
"it seems as if they're gonna write Theon out of the story completely" -- if they do this i will credit them with a certain amount of nous, i guess? there's like two or three things that you can see would be obvious candidates for streamlining the narrative, and that seems like one of them
likewise glad that it's less clear what bran sees -- that said, i kind of think that even knowing who pushes him out of the window is cack-handed plotting: i mean, it makes the whole arc of the book fairly transparent once you learn (isolated datum which will probably be somewhere in the first six episodes)
re: the slate review - http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/feature/2011/04/16/game_of_thrones_review_of_reviewers - someone on tumblr posted a screengrab of that where every single ad on slate was for this show. er
i kind of want to watch the first episode or so of this, i feel like the combination of it being about elves and shit + apparent shitheap of gratuitous nudity = it will be a hard sell for the other half, i think
also i only want to watch it so i can complain about it on the internet? so i shouldn't bother, probably
― thomp, Monday, 18 April 2011 09:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I really wasn't taken with the sex/nudity aspects
phrases you rarely see
― standing on the shoulders of pissants (ledge), Monday, 18 April 2011 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link
from that salon article "Patterson is one of the sharpest, funniest TV reviewers out there"
oh plz.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Hating Danaerys as she is cast. That part needs a true Scandanavian ice queen with wisp-fine white-blonde hair and hauteur she can wrap around herself like a cloak to shut out her inside from the outside. Not a cheap bottle job with brown eyebrows and too much blusher.
Everything else otm^10.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
wife and i thought the pilot was great btw and we're totally onboard for the time being. so is this supposed to only be six episodes as the opening season (like walking dead) or is it just that reviewers have only seen the first six episode and we're going to have a more 13 episode season. bc it seems that with the cast of characters they've got, and the amount of written content Martin has produced, they could easily write episode after episode of compelling material.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
wikipedia says 10 eps
― just sayin, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I believe the first season is going to be ten episodes.
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Ian! We'll review the first ep next week -- maybe we need to ALWAYS re-watch the prev ep before the new one is on? Makes a nice evening with good company even a bit longer.
Plus I want to AWWWWW at the WOLF PUPPIES again.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
haven't watched this yet, hope to tonight
did ppl dig it?
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Loved. Loved.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I watched this while my wife futzed around with her phone, her comments were something along the line of "every time I look up there are boobs wtf"
thought the eps was disappointing overall. the opening sequence was *really* well done, pretty much the main reason I tuned in after seeing the preview. set design + cinematography + acting were top notch but I don't get all the hurrahs for the script. characters were weakly written. and the danerys + drago sequences came off like some harlequin skinemax weaksauce.
haven't read the books but it seemed like this would only appeal to someone who loved them?
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not about elves and shit.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
wolves and shit
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
laurel i've read them, i'm just saying that the look they've gone for with this pretty broadly telegraphs ELVES AND SHIT. 'dragons and shit' would have accomplished the same admittedly
― thomp, Monday, 18 April 2011 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
And had the advantage of being accurate.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 18 April 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Waiting for Carcetti to arrive
― calstars, Monday, 18 April 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i hated what i read. the show has the advantage of not being written in terrible fantasy trope language. (gritty fantasy or not.)
― Mordy, Monday, 18 April 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
and some of the cgi is so impressive that it's more like LOTR where you don't care that it's a theme you've seen a dozen times. like the guard riding out past that huge wall was OMG impressive.
not being written in terrible fantasy trope language.
Man, if you think GRRM is "terrible fantasy trope language", you better just stay away from the genre completely, because, imho, he's one of the least worrisome offenders for this type of thing.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with Mordy.
I like fantasy more on screen than on the page, generally.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 18 April 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
this show seems ok
― ─►.butt.tko (Lamp), Monday, 18 April 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I have never read the books and haven't read much fantasy, but I enjoyed this. Some problems that I'll write off as pilot-issues but I'm looking forward to the rest. We'll know in the next 3 or 4 episodes just how much being a fan of the book matters.
― Gukbe, Monday, 18 April 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
also theon never does anything interesting
― ─►.butt.tko (Lamp), Monday, 18 April 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
martin's not a great stylist, but i stopped noticing/caring about 1/3 of the way into GoT - that's not really why you read this stuff anyway
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 18 April 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i had a hard time getting into Book 1 but was looking forward to this. It's great so far but have to agree with this:
"and the danerys + drago sequences came off like some harlequin skinemax weaksauce"
also, drago wedding fight scene was some Star Trek : TOS lolz but with tits and rape.
― akm, Monday, 18 April 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
the title/credits sequence with the little clockwork gameboard showing all the locales is v. awesome imo. and supposedly it changes from episode to episode depending on where stuff's happening
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 April 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
really? thats a nice touch!
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure if thats true, i just remember reading it somewhere
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 April 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i hope it's true...we'll have to check the next set of credits to see
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, April 18, 2011 11:51 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^word up
― the zing cheese incident (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 April 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
This is why I don't read much fantasy lit. Wish I could get past it but I can't.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 18 April 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
martin's prose is functional but he certainly does like to tell you what color people's doublets are.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 18 April 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
he likes to say "nearly a man grown"
― the zing cheese incident (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 April 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
at least westeros' weird seasons thing invalidates the "she had seen barely thirteen summers" sort of thing because you just know he'd be dipping in that well like once per page
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 18 April 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
dude is a perv tbh
― the zing cheese incident (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 April 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
strikethrough, pimp, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JjTZojojDPI/SxPR-ffvWkI/AAAAAAAAAok/bzrrZEsb1T4/s1600/0007stfc.jpg &c &c
― ─►.butt.tko (Lamp), Monday, 18 April 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I was surprised to learn that he uses the word "fuck" in the books.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 18 April 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The robe completes the outfit. and he kind of looks like the playing robert baratheon
― allmypulp, Monday, 18 April 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
for anyone who's watching this without reading the books and wants to get all the characters/houses/history straight, HBO has a great little viewers' guide that doesn't appear to spoil anything that's not pre-episode-1 backstory:http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/#!/guide/houses/
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 April 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Video podcast with cast interviews and stuff: http://skyatlantic.sky.com/game-of-thrones/thronecast
― Walter Galt, Monday, 18 April 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
this was terrible. so much hair gel. so many stupid accents. and the horselord wedding reception.
― adam, Monday, 18 April 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean http://mimg.ugo.com/201103/9/8/6/183689/cuts/gameofthrones-targaryen01-screencap-11_288x288.jpg
― adam, Monday, 18 April 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
rather http://mimg.ugo.com/201103/9/8/6/183689/cuts/gameofthrones-targaryen01-screencap-11_288x288.jpg
It was distracting how white Drogo's teeth were.
― calstars, Monday, 18 April 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Nah, the third book goes into great detail re: Dothraki dental plan.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 April 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i just watched the 25 minute making of that's on the HBO site (still having not seen the first ep) and I gotta say the guy who plays Drogo seems like a bro in all senses of the word.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 18 April 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
dude is a klingon
― akm, Monday, 18 April 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude is also going to play Conan later this year.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 April 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
He was in Stargate Atlantis, too. Nerd cred.
― Walter Galt, Monday, 18 April 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Someone else I was watching it with said this! What I noticed mostly was that his breasts are bigger than Danaerys'.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 18 April 2011 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Xpost aha that's where I recognize him from!
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 18 April 2011 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
OK watched it - was good! Also posts very much in character but Laurel otm re the wolf pups omg. The end was great too. I didn't have a problem with the nudity/boobage but I was a bit fan of Rome which has tons of that sort of thing so maybe I'm just used to it. I want the next one already! Damn.
― ENBB, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah see I have enjoyed Rome, Deadwood, all the HBO stuff...maybe it was more "boobs in broad daylight" then that was giving me hangups? Dunno.
― VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Biggest WTF moment - "The Dothraki have no word for thank you"
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, why is that wtf? Irish Gaelic doesn't have a word for "no." Sort of. There are workarounds, but there's no direct translation for a flat No.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm Irish funnily enough. The line wasn't in the book and it just seemed really cheesy.
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha ilx being what it is, I wondered right after I said that if I was carrying coals to Newcastle. Haven't read the books in years so I can't remember exactly what was in them.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
It was just like, really, that's the line you decide to add?
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
you know damn well what was in the books--sex, violence and the occasional supernatural threat.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link
and richly colored doublets
― VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
YES but not line by line.
Actually watching the first ep reminded me of so many parts of the story that have really long and complex lines to play out. Some things are lengthy but straightforward, you can sort of see the gears turning already, but some things have SO MANY TWISTS TO GO and I'm feeling a slight tedium already because I know they just aren't fruitful lines of hope or progress for the characters.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
has marc loi filed his review yet
― thetan is cheatin (cozen), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 06:58 (thirteen years ago) link
For those wondering about Theon, he apparently does come into a lot more in the first six episodes. I reckon he'll have an awesome payoff in the books down the line as well.
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 09:54 (thirteen years ago) link
@PFTompkins "Do something, fantasy Denis Leary! That kid saw us incesting each other!" #gameofthroenesonhbo
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 10:10 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― ENBB, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/hbo-renews-game-of-thrones
Not great opening numbers, tho. Of course. I can't remember the last time a show I liked got great numbers.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The obvious expense of the show made a second season almost inevitable. It would have needed Terrier-like numbers to not get renewed. There's enough promise that I hope it builds an audience and does well. It looks like the kind of story I'd like to see through.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
It'll do well on home video. All scifi/fantasy stuff does.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
the tra-la-la-la-la high fantasy stuff was a bit out of control. the stupid dothraki wedding looked like it was dreamed up by a 13-year old with a boner and a bad understanding of sex.
― they call him (remy bean), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure if you can fault the show for that though, it was pretty faithful to the description in the book. I mean, if you are objecting to the way it was shot or whatever, fair play, but I don't get people faulting the show for staying faithful to the source material.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
"it was like that in the book" isn't an excuse for a film version sucking
there are many ways that scene could've been shot, and the way they decided to go was cheeeeze
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Thats why I was asking, I was trying to understand why it bugged remy. The concept in general?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
conceptually there isn't anything wrong w/ a timid girl getting thrown into the midst of a savage culture, but the execution here was laughable
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree with edward the concept is fine – in the book i'm okay with with the dothraki. in the pilot, there were certain editorial decisions w/r/t importance of various salacious bits that took precedence over what i would value in a good story. i.e. the ... lingering on the sexiness (for the sake of sexiness) rather than as indicative of the power relationships between dany, vis, and drogo. i mean, the whole incesty boob-grab played as soft-focus porny rather than upsetting and manipulative.
― they call him (remy bean), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree with edward that the concept is fine.
― they call him (remy bean), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the wedding was even worse than the rave in the 2nd matrix movie as far as dionysian nerd fantasies go
― adam, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
get the feeling daenerys wasn't cast based on acting chops either, it's like the director said "you're forlorn eye candy, ACTION"
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^
otm
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
now step into the tub slowly
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
It was funny the way the camera panned down at one point specifically so her whole ass would be in the frame.
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I know..that whole sequence was weird
― VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
"Guys, guys, that's only 75% ass. The contract specifically calls for a 100 at all times."
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://oi53.tinypic.com/2ldkuj4.jpg
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
He is the cutest - those ears!
I think I actually saw "awwwwwwww" out loud at that point.
I want one.
― ENBB, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
err said "awwwwwwwww" not saw "aawwwwwwww"
― ENBB, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it was like in one of those cartoons when the character hits his head and sees stars, except you were so stricken by the cuteness that you saw awwwws.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty much otm
― ENBB, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
When he was climbing the wall I kept wondering why they built the castle for Assassin's Creed specifications.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
it wasn't great but will watch a few more before damning it completely.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
supposedly it gets (even) better
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah like...if you watch six seasons of the sopranos or whatev the first few are always a bit shonky.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
idk, sopranos seem like a big exception to that rule. episode one is still a defining thematic episode. that's one thing reviewers have pointed out about the thrones pilot that i think is otm. there's no particular scene that really pulls together the major themes of the show. it's more of a preview/prologue type of episode where all the pieces are put into place. not that that is a particularly bad idea -- the world they're playing with is much much larger than the one of the sopranos.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, but in this case they have the added responsibility of a viewership that already knows the entire contents of this season of planned plot developments. I can understand how that makes a tough balance between keeping the allegiances of the readers and drawing in new HBO viewers. That is not a comfortable seat, all in all.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree, but I think he may have more of a pregnancy fetish than anything else. At least that's what I get from the books.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
That wolf pup is CGI, right?
― calstars, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
NNOOOOOO they used sled-dog puppies.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Those ears are 100% REAL, AND THEY ARE GLORIOUS.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^^
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the articles linked above talks about the move away from episodic television altogether on HBO. The Sopranos and Deadwood both establish a lot about their central characters in the first episodes, and they're still fairly episodic in nature to give a full story, which GoT doesn't really do except some broad character strokes. Still, those shows took 3 or 4 episodes to really show their stuff ("College" and "Here Was A Man" are the ones usually cited).
I don't think GoT will be nearly as good as either of those, but it looks to be pretty entertaining once it gets going. Also, pretty much everything I've read says the pilot is the worst of the first 6.
Agreed about the nudity, though I think the brother-groping scene is a bit more pervy than you're giving it credit for. Certainly the final scene with her and the new husband is played for violation-by-the-Other discomfort.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― adam, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:49 (Yesterday)
the angry, grunty dry humping was fucking HILARIOUS.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
so i started re-reading the first book last night and there have already been at like three references to someone's seed quickening in someone else's womb or whatever so you may be on to something.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 09:54 (Yesterday) Bookmark
ha ha ha
idk, sopranos seem like a big exception to that rule. episode one is still a defining thematic episode. that's one thing reviewers have pointed out about the thrones pilot that i think is otm. there's no particular scene that really pulls together the major themes of the show.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:39 (9 hours ago) Bookmark
errrr did they skip the execution? because that's pretty much the whole thing there, I gotta say
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Why the laugh?
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the execution says a lot about that particular family and that particular people living in the north, but didn't really seem to speak to the exiled king or the real party king or any of the other groups. which idk having not read the book i can't comment with any authority.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
= 'these are the sorts of bad decisions that acting honourably leads you to'
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I think there's also the pressure on those who DO act honorably to make even become even more vigilant/observant when standards seem to be loosening all around them -- ex Robert's slack court in the South. The whole world is putting N. Stark in this position, and he's becoming more alone every day.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
(Sorry about the mis-read there, was revising in a hurry.)
yo thomp...
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's funny that, at this point, anyone would have any faith in george r.r. martin's ability to plot a novel in a way that would result in any kind of satisfying experience for the reader
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah right, you may have a point there.
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
at this point -- you mean one episode in (and it gets better) or you mean considering the corpus of material he's already written?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
alllll my wolves stay realstark don't think these political dealsgonna feed your seedsand pay your bills because they not
(xxp)
― c( ☠_ ☠ )ↄ (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
George got a little bit of love and thinks's he's hot
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
mordy, sorry, that was in response to the thing about whether it will turn out in book five, six, or seven that theon has some reason for having been there
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
hey guess what
http://images.hitfix.com/photos/503754/game-of-thrones-daenerys_article_story_main.jpg
winter is busting a nut all or ya face
― dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, 21 April 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
That photo is the wrong color, on the tv her hair is a woolly yellow-blond that looks like someone hid the undyed roots with cornstarch and powder bleach. I'll be delighted, though, when the character gets to a place where she makes that resolute a face ALL the time.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 21 April 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
sarah connor IS cersei lannister
― calstars, Thursday, 21 April 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Sky Atlantic fan show (probably not for people who already know the books and stuff, it's pretty beginner-y... might be of interest? It's an iTunes podcast, too):http://skyatlantic.sky.com/game-of-thrones/
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 21 April 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoops: http://skyatlantic.sky.com/game-of-thrones/thronecast
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 21 April 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
ha "thronecast", sounds like they're broadcasting from a toilet
― it always seems to have dick smith in it (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 April 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
podthrone
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 21 April 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
You Shit Or You Die
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Urine is Coming
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Haven't read the books, loved the first episode.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 22 April 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Already so much shit going down!
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 22 April 2011 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Finally got to watch the first episode. From the talk of things the wedding scene was going to be some grand cheese ball of central focus, but a few quick flashes to dry humping I can take. I thought the episode was solid -- some stiff dialogue about who is who and what is what was necessary and they got through the exposition fairly effectively here. Some more to come, no doubt, but once we get a few episodes into this I think the characters will make for compelling viewing by themselves. All the actors seemed very well cast. Sansa was perfect.
― abcfsk, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree-- this episode had pilot-itis where they have to give you a tidbit of everyone involved but a meal of none. And I do trust the characters will get to stretch out a bit starting in the next coupla.
Agree with reservations about the Daneirys actress-- not so much physically but the tone of her performance-- the somnambulist/frightened rabbit thing. Didn't seem right.
My only outright beef is with the music. Cheap, generic, dull. I understand that they fired their original composer (Stephen Warbeck) vcery late in the game, so that Ramin Djawadi had scant time to do his job, but this just sounds like stuff you'd hear on an electronic RPG or a History Channel special on Vikings. In other words, they need to fire their composer again pronto. All the painstaking, beautiful execution on so many other fronts and they think people won't notice this half-assed crap?
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the frightened rabbit thing is is the right look for her so far.. what was entertaining about the character in the book was how she came off as frightened, unsure, dulled by suppression, but then had moments when provoked where she exploded and found her powers.
― abcfsk, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
I think its totally okay for her to be a frightened rabbit at this point, her future is so unsure and her supposed protector is a creep!
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
OK so maybe frightened rabbit is apt but what about the weird sleepwalker affect?
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
To let the camera linger on her ass better, iirc.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Eh it's predicable "pretty, scared girl" stuff, it's fine, not going to ruin the show for me. But as a young woman who had never known anything else I imagined her being a lot more affect-less, that she would have figured out how to hide her fear by now -- this is how her whole life has been.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually think the sleepwalking thing is the right direction.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe its because I just finished rereading the book before I watched this, but she comes across as still pretty fearful, at least prior to the wedding and up to her deflowering.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I defer to anyone who's read the books more recently than about 4 years ago! Damn it.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
There is still some awkwardness about her, thats for sure, but I don't think the fearful thing is the problem just yet. We'll have to see how she evolves over the next few episodes, thats for sure.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Fair enough. Anyone else hate the music as much as me?
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Didn't even notice it, not one second of the music made any impression on me. Will be paying much closer attn this week, though, now that you've mentioned it.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I really dug the 'spooky' two-note theme during the opening scene
― Brakhage, Friday, 22 April 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
That's an interesting point, the opening scene was well scored. Increased my bummerz regarding what followed musically. Maybe this composer is better at creepy/textural/semi-ambient scoring than other aspects.
It sounded to me like most of the score was a few acoustic instruments augmented by synths imitating an orchestra, which is always NAGL in my opinion (if you're gonna do a synth score then fucking OWN that fact!)
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok so what historical racial analogue are the Klingon guys supposed to be? Because it's pretty clear they're supposed to represent some non-Euro Other, but they still got a white guy to play the bossman.
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Saturday, 23 April 2011 07:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Mongols, maybe.
― abcfsk, Saturday, 23 April 2011 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Not everything in fantasy has to have a direct analogue.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 23 April 2011 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, the guy who plays Khal Drogo is Hawaiian. So he is actually a non-Euro.
― Number None, Saturday, 23 April 2011 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
'Ok so what historical racial analogue are the Klingon guys supposed to be?'
the french
― thomp, Saturday, 23 April 2011 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
The dry humping raves during Louis XIV were legendary
― Brakhage, Saturday, 23 April 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
ha ha
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 23 April 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a good point though - I keep seeing historical analogues for everything in the show - the Great Wall, Genghis Khan, Wars of the Roses - distracting. Better that than analogues to some other fantasy material though.
― Brakhage, Saturday, 23 April 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
daenerys = omar etc
― abcfsk, Saturday, 23 April 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
omar little?
― I'm just shillin, like bob dylan (Edward III), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Stand corrected! (Was thinking he had a really nice tan.)
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
He is also married to Lisa Bonet as I learned last night. Weird!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Throw the kid out the window and whatevs, but force the death of that poor wolf!!! fucking hate the Lannisters.
Totally into this now, btw.
― Gukbe, Monday, 25 April 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
This one was good. Makes a world of difference spending some time with characters interacting instead of chop-chopping through plot.
― abcfsk, Monday, 25 April 2011 09:48 (thirteen years ago) link
this is some camp-ass crap
― thomp, Monday, 25 April 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
why is a grown-ass man playing jon snow
why is tyrion still addressing him as though he was a fourteen year old
why can none of these people act
when does carcetti show up
― thomp, Monday, 25 April 2011 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
He shows up in the next episode but I think it's better for everyone if you just stop watching.
― abcfsk, Monday, 25 April 2011 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link
it's better for you all if you just stop watching imo
― thomp, Monday, 25 April 2011 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i can watch it for you and report back via this thread, everyone will by happy
― thomp, Monday, 25 April 2011 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
That doesn't make sense. I hope you never get to write a script!
― abcfsk, Monday, 25 April 2011 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
lol thomp in "omg older people play way younger than they really are on television show" shocker
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 25 April 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I still really hate the Daenerys subplot, maybe even more this week thanks to the laughable addition of the quasi-lesbian sex tutor.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 25 April 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I felt the same way about the Daenerys plot when I read the books till later on in the series. I just half-assed my through her stuff in the first book to get back the the much more rich plots.
― allmypulp, Monday, 25 April 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Daenerys went from mournful rape victim to believable courtesan in one episode.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 25 April 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I smell emmy
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 25 April 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost don't live in the past
― allmypulp, Monday, 25 April 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
the wolf jumping on joffrey was lollable. it, like, leapt in the air on a trampoline. i wish z_s could make a .gif of it (pretty please?)
― they call him (remy bean), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i watched the first episode, i approve and will continue watching this series
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree with the above about how shitty the wedding scene is. felt like a bad star trek episode. also uhhhhhhhh racially problematic.
2nd ep fucking BRINGS it. So much more involving than the debut.
It'd been long enough since I read the books that I forgot the feeling of sinking horror that arises with the Arya/Butcher's Boy/Sansa/Joffrey fiasco. It's like, hmmm, let me just switch on this infernal machine over here, ah yes that seems to be running nicely.
The Joffrey actor soooo perfect; the mere sight of his face makes me want to throttle him.
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
also they should really get someone besides dennis leary to play incestbro
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
He looks like Aaron Eckhart
― VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/domestic-abuse/man-battered-kin-over-hbos-game-thrones-780215
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/gameofthronesreport.jpg
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
POOR PUPPY!!!! D:
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I am going to find a dog now so I can hug it.
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i54.tinypic.com/2nrg7yx.gif
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I would like a gif of one of the wolfpuppies jumping up and tearing someone's throat out.
― Alba, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/a1ZES.gif
― She Got the Shakes, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, April 25, 2011 11:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
THANK YOU! SO MUCH LIKE Aaron Eckhart. This was killing me last night because I couldn't remember his name. "He looks exactly like that guy, you know, the one from The Dark Knight. You know which one I mean - that one - the one he looks like dammit!!"
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Also did we decide if those wolves are real cause the face on that one that she hugs is just amazing. THOSE EYES! I almost think that it can't possible by real.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link
can I just say I'm still lolling pretty hardcore at the wedding scene 2 weeks later
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Just FYI I'm not reading this thread right now because we didn't see it on Sunday -- will catch up next week!
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
what laurel, you think something's gonna be spoiled for you?!
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Not taking any chances.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
The direwolves are played by a breed of dog called the Northern Inuithttp://static.gotpetsonline.com/pictures-gallery/dog-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/northern-inuit-dog-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/pictures/northern-inuit-dog-0002.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh I love them. The look he gave her during that hug! I died.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Apparently the actress who plays Sansa adopted her dog once filming finished so there's kind of a happy ending.
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Chiming in to randomly note that the director of the first two episodes, Tim Van Patten, has a hell of a TV director/writer career already -- dude co-wrote "Pine Barrens" among other things -- and that longtime MST3K fans know him from his earlier years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0lIOaq3oEY
Bootstrapping, always a fine thing! Seriously!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's generally reassuring when you see Van Patten's name in the credits of a show.
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
that one dude totally looks like dave navarro in his guyliner
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Tim Van Patten is awesome in Class of 1984, that is such a fun/funny movie.
― Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
omg guys i watched eps 1 & 2 today and i love this show a lot and hope there are dragons soonand the wolf-dogs i love the wolf-dogs too
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
hope that little prince gets killed.
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
totally digging this show, btw
i dislike fantasy (with some exceptions) but this is good so far.
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
finally watched Ep 2...after careful consideration I really don't like the Danerys scenes...want to fast forward to where she gets interesting. But otherwise loving it. Arya is pretty great huh? And the wolves were awesome this week : D
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm willing to put up with the Danerys scenes because uh ahem
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yes yes nubile boobs yay etc
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i remember when i read the books i didn't find Dany's storyline engaging at all until later in the series. the show hasn't really changed that yet.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link
see I guess I wasn't thinking about how it would look played out on tv...but I love that storyline, from go she was interesting to me...but I don't know what it is,maybe it's just that her inner life doesn't come through. Also it just becomes the "boobs" portion of the show. I dunno. Maybe it will improve as her arc develops
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I like this.
also am I right in that the sex scene witnessed by lil dude was incestuous? still trying to keep the characters straight
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep. They're brother/siter which is why the small fry had to fly.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
sister
surprised to see that in tv tbh! I mean I know it's Hbo but actual depicted incest seems p rare
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
well evan the actors are not actually brother and sister, and they are not actually having sex
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it's kind of fundamental to the series
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it happened in Rome. This is old hat for HBO.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
As my wife said the other night, "so apparently in this fictional continent they love the doggie style".
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
warning: if you are married and watch this show u will be mocked
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, what?
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
My wife is totally into this show!
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, it doesn't hurt that she finds Dany even hotter than I do and she was hoping for more of the "seduction lesson", but, yeah, she is enjoying it so far.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
mine loves it too, and she never read the books
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah my wife loved the book and loves the show so far.
agreed that episode 2 was far better, really slowed down the pace and let you get to know the characters
joffrey is such a little fuckstick i forgot how much i hate him
rip lady the direwolf :(
would stress to those who haven't read: all the adolescent fantasy sex stuff is straight from the books, they might actually be toning it down.
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
wives!
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh if my wife was watching this I'd be mocking her
I need to stay out of this thread
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, you do. WTF?
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry but seriously.
The Joffrey casting is so perfect, I hated him so much even before the scene with Arya and the butcher boy.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the casting is amazing. That kid's face just looks so awful and snotty. I hate him so much.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
My only (very minor) casting gripe is Caetlyn, I feel like she's a little bit too old. Isn't she still supposed to be like really pretty? Not that the actress playing her is ugly by any means, I just don't get the vibe implied from the book that she is supposed to be really pretty still.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I think she's kind of perfect; at this point, she's an anchor of reality in the books and seems to be functioning much the same way here, both in terms of her outlook/reactions and how she looks like a normal, attractive middle-aged woman in this casting pool of ludicrously good-looking people.
Tyrion slapping the shit out of Joffrey was the highlight of my April, and I watched the Doctor Who premiere.
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
MY wife's big gripes are Caetlyn's age and how bad the wigs are. Otherwise we're enjoying, though they don't really hold even a dim candle to the books.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
That makes sense, I think her casting will make more sense as the series moves forward and she shows her real strength instead of just grieving mom.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Hah hah.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
laurel i thought you weren't reading this thread. ;)
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Couldn't resist. Soooo wishing for Suuunnday.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Disagree with this. The books have their fair share of embarrassing sex scenes but they've definitely ramped up the raunch quotient in the tv show. As far as i remember, Daenerys getting some lessons in love from her handmaid is only alluded to in the first book. They also threw in an scene with Tyrion in the first episode that wasn't in the books seemingly just to get some more boobs on screen.
― Number None, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Here (points to self) is another motherfucker whose wife is at least as into the books/show as he is, if not more.
Re: Dani sex scenes, I actually think the show has made them more rapey than in the book. The first time with Drogo actually has some slight tenderness to it in the book IIRC? Not in ep 1 of the show, though.
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
haha xpost
I guess watching Rome made me a little more immune to the gratuitous sex scenes, they don't seem as surprising really.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
They definitely lezzed up the love lessons scene. I don't really get why this is surprising or upsetting to people at this point. I mean it's HBO, what the hell do you expect? I'm not going to complain because a) big deal and b) Khal Drogo's ass.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I need to reread but I thought some form of that introduction scene occurred in the books, if not as Tyrion's introduction...? The whole "the gods made up for my body by giving me a massive cock" thing I'm sure was in the books somewhere.
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm i remember the love lessons being pretty lezzed up and there's even more scorcery lez in later books
anyway martin always seemed creepy and rapey to me, one of the things i don't really like abt it
the thing about this being on HBO and the fact that Martin has become such a big deal is it makes people wish he wasn't - at heart- just a pulp fantasy novelist. which he is. he's not like literary fantasy, he's just a rainman level high functioning savant pulp novelist
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Mr Veg hasnt read the books but is enjoying so far. Yay husbands!
Re: the Wall in the animated map credits he said "Why do they hate Scotland?" irl lols
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
he's not like literary fantasy, he's just a rainman level high functioning savant pulp novelist
Cosign. I've learnt to accept this fact and even view it as a strength, but this is why I put e.g. Robin Hobb on a slightly higher shelf than GRRM. And why I have absolutely no qualms about GoT possibly finding its best expression as a TV series (we'll see if that's how it turns out).
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe this has already been covered somewhere, but I might have missed it. Do we know how the timing for these seasons are going to work out? I mean, is season 1 going to cover the first book, season 2 book 2, etc? Because man, we're going to be left for a hella cliffhanger when they catch up with GRRM.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I feel like they're really far into book 1 already after only 2 episodes. But I haven't gone and checked in terms of page count or whatever.
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Thats what I was thinking too, actually.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i noticed the name in the credits and looked it up! ilyn payne (the tongueless bald dude that is the king's justice) is WILKO JOHNSON of Dr. Feelgood! crazy
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21000000/Game-of-Thrones-game-of-thrones-21095017-309-633.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rn45_OO9rk&feature=related
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember reading somewhere that the first season will cover the first book.
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a lot of story to tell, I think they're following the book's pacing pretty closely.
Personally I don't want book three split into two seasons like others.. just make book four half a season and give the other half to the rest of book three.
Seems by his blog that he's just done writing the new book.
― abcfsk, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the first 2 seasons will be the first 2 books, they might stretch it out a bit more after that though since the 3rd book is so long and dense
and yeah new book has a release date in july iirc
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll believe it when I'm holding it in my hands.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Robin Hobb
you will not feel this way about Robin Hobb after you've read her Forest Mage books, is my prediction
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
my wife is a fan of the books and so far the only way i've gotten even a little engaged w/ the show is if i watch it with her and she provides a running commentary track and explains what stuff means and why it will matter later, etc. maybe if i keep it up eventually i will actually care, i dunno though.
so far my favorite parts are Peter Dinklage pimpin' hoes and smacking kids around. i want someone to make a youtube of his first scene in the pilot set to Shawnna's "Gettin' Some Head".
― barbaric ya'll (some dude), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost yeah it'll be awhile before i get to that trilogy... and your repeated warnings have been noted.
― last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Dinklage is my favorite thing about the show so far; also Arya.
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
His accent is a bit crap tho. Maybe i'll get used to it.
― Number None, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Out of curiosity: are there any actual fantastical elements to this world? Cuz it mostly seems like gussied up historical fiction? Aside from non-functional dragon eggs and "dire wolfs," there's been no allusions to anything supernatural or magickal or w/e. Not complaining, mind, just curious as to what marks this as fantasy aside from taking place somewhere made up.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
stay tuned
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
His accent isnt great, but he's fun to watch and it really isn't that much worse than McNultys
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
^__^
answer I was hoping for tbh
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
trust us, shit is legit
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
there are demons and magic zombies right in the first five minutes iirc.
― ☆, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
It's Dinklage's attitude that nails it. His interactions with Jon Snow about why he reads, beating Joffrey jerkface...100% Tyrion
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I quite like his accent. Definitely heard far worse Brit accents from yank actors.
curious as to what marks this as fantasy aside from taking place somewhere made up.
That's all you need to make something fantasy really. Plus there was some kind of supernatural shenanigans going on at the very start of E1.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
and an ogre with a talking donkey iirc.
xposts
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
also: Dinklage is my favorite thing about the show so far; also Arya.
OTM; very glad to see they have mirrored the books well enough for my allegiances to transfer over intact (altho I am a little worried about my friend who is still very strongly Team Daenerys)
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
just to clarify, my point above wasn't "wives don't like this show", more like this is some divisive shit designed to tear families apart, seems like ppl of either sex who are into this are waaay into it and those who aren't are like wtf are you watching but hey look I'm posting itt again when I swore I wouldn't
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I tuned in a little late lol
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
so basically you are wholly talking out of your ass
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the cool things about the books is the way the more fantastical elements are gradually introduced.
― Number None, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
what else is new
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Dinklage seems to be channeling Stewie from the Family Guy at times...
― schwantz, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
in fairness, so does Tyrion in the books
― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Like the sound of this
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
hey evan the first 15 minutes are still streaming here
http://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones/about/video/exclusive-preview.html/eNrjcmbO0CzLTEnNd8xLzKksyUx2zs8rSa0oUc-PSYEJBSSmp-ol5qYy5zMXsjGyMXIyMrJJJ5aW5BfkJFbalhSVpgIAXbkXOA
obv I'm not into this show but the opening scene is def worth watching in my wholly-talking-out-my-ass opinion
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
imwtomao
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Everyone seems to be overacting/over-emoting except for the Tyrion (the dwarf) and Arya. Or are they just 'in character?'
― calstars, Thursday, 28 April 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
esp. Jon Snow
you leave Jon Snow alone
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 28 April 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
You know nothing, Jon Snow
― calstars, Thursday, 28 April 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
supernatural stuff definitely exists in this series, it's just used sparingly instead of being commonplace so it's a bigger deal when it does show up.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
This phrase, in the voice of Roy Dotrice, is spoken often in my house.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 28 April 2011 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Caetlyn totally MILFy, I don't get some of you guys.
Curious about the religion -- should I wonder about historical analogues again, or just think of it as anonymous polytheism?
I am continuing to watch this for the promised lezzing. And the doggies.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The northerners have a kind of nature worship thing going on. Guess the southern religion is slightly analogous to Ancient Greece? They have a pantheon anyway.
― Number None, Friday, 29 April 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Lena Headey burned through her Sarah Connor goodwill awfully quickly!
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Friday, 29 April 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ws cat.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 29 April 2011 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i54.tinypic.com/25j8hao.jpg
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 1 May 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
@MKupperman Game of Thrones is so realistic. They muttered very slowly back then.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Sunday, 1 May 2011 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
rilly proud of this one
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkj1kg91ss1qa9bmvo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1304356920&Signature=IdJ0BZz59iScn4koXxGbvRRh5Mg%3D
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 1 May 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Thoughts about tonight's episode:
- Carcetti was quite good as expected
- Too much digital snow?
- Sylvio excellent and provided welcome comic relief
- Scenes too brief in general
― calstars, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
could watch Peter Dinklage all day, but then any form of lightness and charm is welcome here.
― Gukbe, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
hard to balance scene length & the necessity of fitting so much into such a short time, but yes, i imagine people not familiar with the characters may be having trouble keeping everyone's connections straight.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
[Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers come over to tell Martin and his wife what huge fans they are of the show.] Poehler: I like the blondie! [Daenerys]Martin: She’s straight out of drama school.Poehler: You can tell. I think she left all her shirts and bras at drama school.
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:52 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNeT2nzEgA
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:53 (thirteen years ago) link
fuckin a
― thread assessor (latebloomer), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
someone loaned me a screener so i got up to episode six, i guess if youve read the books you know this, but some srs shit goes down
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean basically everyone just goes ham
Haha yes, this is why we were all so excited for this show
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i guess i gotta read these books now huh
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh it's been very faithful to the books so far so it might be a bit deja vu
you do get more insight into many of the characters via internal monologue, particularly Daenerys
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
honestly i might just skip up to the part that i havent watched on HBO yet. mostly i just want to know what happens!!
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Read it anyway, you can skim over whole pages but you should get some more richness from it like stuff about the Starks' religion and more.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Now that you know what happens, you know how good we're being by not mentioning ANY OF IT.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
no totally its all i can do to not go and read wiki summaries of the next five books cause d-d-d-damn
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
re: the northern religion: that was something i was curious about, actually. like in episode two when catelyn gathers ppl to tell them she thinks bran was killed it's just AND THEY'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN A WOOD, OKAY, THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION
― thomp, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
That would be lame, max. Go get the books.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
AND THEY'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN A WOOD, OKAY, THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION
yeah this is a whole thing where the north practices this old religion that the south thinks is quaint at best and disloyal at worst, and they have these little patches of forests in their towns with "magic" trees and sometimes they pray to these trees. but their use in the story is mostly just as a place to have whispery conversations.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
this show's fun btw but peter dinklage's accent is a travesty and almost unlistenable.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I sort of feel that way about Hugh Laurie on House
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
What? That's crazy talk. I think his Laurie's accent is great!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
hugh laurie will always be bertie wooster to me and it was hard getting used to him pretending to be american but i thought his accent was pretty good and at least he didn't sound like a weird 9th grader doing shakespeare
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
n.b. that was not a mean joke about peter dinklage's stature
just his accent
I remember feeling like the Northerners' religion was going to play a part at some point but GRR STOPPED PUBLISHING BOOKS BEFORE I COULD FIND OUT. So it's worth really reading about it.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i just pre-ordered 'a dance with dragons', actually. but there's still at least a month and a half in which i could cancel it.
― thomp, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
And isn't there some sub-sub-story where Catelyn's own beliefs are different because she's from the South so there's some complicated thing where she's loyal to her husband's religion but also still has her own?
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess the show kind of barely whispered that to us when she hung the wreath over Bran's bed but I was distracted by someone in the room with me making fun of the crafted wreath and dolls.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i think dinklage's accent stands out because the show's sort of avoided the typical posh for lords, cockney for commoners thing you see with fantasy sometimes - i like all the northern accents you get with winterfell, the freakin lord of winterfell is from sheffield. i think dinklage is doing fine at what he's going for even if it's rather broad, and so is hugh laurie - accents dont have much to do w/acting anyway, and the Dink is stealing every scene he's in
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i like all the northern accents you get with winterfell, the freakin lord of winterfell is from sheffield.
yeah this is great!
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
The episodes are getting better and better.
The old lady's scary story was amazing.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I remembered that some people in here seemed to like Rome and just saw on FB that you can now watch full eps on HBO GO. Doesn't actually mean much to me since I don't know what HBO GO is but some of you might and thought you may be interested.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
already started reading the first book, can't wait a week to find out what happens next
dink's accent is so hammy
― cozeny mubarak (cozen), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
think the series is p.faithful so far, except the imp is described as being mucb more ghastly in the book. dinklage is too handsome
― cozeny mubarak (cozen), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
the hound also seems too normal-looking. otoh all the 14-year-olds being 20-plus seems more of a problem.
― thomp, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah they aged all the kids up by 5+ years for the show so that they could use adult actors for the older ones. probably a good move given some of the content.
― ciderpress, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
really loving this, tbh
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
im just about done with this book but this was my favorite part. and there's more in the novel as well.
― ryan, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't notice the accents at all. Is that because I'm American?
― calstars, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
max later books in the series go ham X infinity
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i went to the bookstore today and they only had got in hardcover. gonna try another bookstore tomorrow
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
are you finding things understandable as someone who hasn't read the books? cuz i think it moves too fast sometimes
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
b/c as ham as everyone has gone by episode 6 in the hbo series i can only see further ham-going from there
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
xp i mean the basic mechanisms of the plot i can follow, yeah; and the backstory i get the broad strokes of--the mad king and all that--but theres a ton of little stuff w/r/t past alliances and former enemies and that kind of thing that just flies by. not that i mind, its more fun that way i think.
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Watching the show has the appeal of stuffing delicious cookies into your mouth YOM YOM AHARHGGYOM-style, paced only by the fact that you get a dozen cookies at once and have to wait a week for the next dozen.
Reading the books is like getting 4x as many cookies but only one at a time and you have to take actual bites.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
you dont get to actually SEE all the doggy-style sex when you read the books, too
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
That is a blessing in disguise. If anything, I think characters are coming across as TOO likeable in the shows, because they're over-the-top or funny or sympathetic in some way. Without all the golden hair and wry grins and soulful glances, you can really get your teeth into the hate.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
but theres a ton of little stuff w/r/t past alliances and former enemies and that kind of thing that just flies by. not that i mind, its more fun that way i think.
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, May 2, 2011 7:47 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark
agreed that its more fun. i'm all for savoring the atmosphere, but i kinda like how breakneck things are going right now, and am stoked for the madness
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
shit gets pretty raw dude
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
tight
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I am very much looking forward to all this upcoming ham
― Clay, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
that's enough thanks
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Read the books!
I'm jealous that Max has seen 6 eps. I'm so used to watching stuff on DVD or netflix or whatever that I get impatient having to wait a WHOLE WEEK until the next one. hmpf.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
cosign x1000
i sorta hate weekly shows now because i really prefer to do my serial watching in like 6 hour binges
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
telling us who survives also counts as a spoiler people
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post - Yep.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
the bad thing about the screeners i watched is that they are unfinished cuts w/out a lot of the special effects, there are some hilarious moments where everyone is supposed to be awed by the wall or whatever and the screen just says VFX TK or whatever
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoops! I'll ask a mod to delete my post
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
thx brah
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok I have seen the wall but no ones even mentioned whatever. cut it out u jerk
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Arya's dueling lesson == would watch an hour of.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 04:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Like that sword master is like mesmerizing.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
found borat the swordmaster really lame. carcetti's accent is a bit wonky.
liking it in general tho...
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
haha the Bob Ross swordmaster scene was my fav... that dude was outta control!!!
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
carcetti's accent is a bit wonky.
Yeah, him and Dinklage. Americans, huh?
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh I have no idea what Gillen really sounds like. is it a heavy Irish accent?
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Gillen's Irish accent is also kinda weird. He just talks funny
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I love Dinklage's accent. He sounds like Michael Howard.
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link
finally watched new ep <3 <3 it's getting exciting already! Leee otm, could watch Arya sword fight all day! She's so great. Hope we get more of Jon and the wall boys, that whole set is just so perfect, makes me reach for my blanket every time.
And I have mad love for Benjin...he's so perfect. Bit Timothy Daltony but still has that poise and mystique.
Carcetti is not nailing the accent at all. May as well drop it and go full Baltimore.
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 5 May 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Benjen, oops
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 5 May 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not even just the actual accent, it's the way he is speaking, really weird and overpronounced. maybe he's having probs with it and trying hard.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Thursday, 5 May 2011 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/uSrbU.jpg
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I am just glad the series is capturing exactly how awesome Arya is; also I am surprised at how much more sympathy I have for Sansa so far on screen as opposed to this point in the books.
I was afraid the actress who plays Cersi was on the verge of veering off into being terrible but it looks like she is really owning the sexy viper inherent in the character; Jamie OTOH has basically been perfect from the get-go.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah am feeling Cersei now after her one on one with Joffrey
and Catelyn is pretty great now that I've had time to warm to her; the goodbye bw her and Ned was <3
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I was afraid the actress who plays Cersi was on the verge of veering off into being terrible but it looks like she is really owning the sexy viper inherent in the character
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
she kept having the same facial expression for a couple of episodes, i was initially troubled also
― VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 6 May 2011 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link
ahahahah @ p.tamtam's post
― smh (cozen), Friday, 6 May 2011 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
PS I read that the actress who plays Arya is IRL right-handed but is sword-fighting left-handed. I ought to be resentful of someone who's awesome and one-third my age, but no.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Saturday, 7 May 2011 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
she fights left-handed in the book, too
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i am 100 pages away from the end of the first book
shit
is
nuts
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i am warming to dinklage because of his facial expressions.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
he makes a very good tyrion, i think
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
did i already post this thing i made
http://i.imgur.com/z8kRE.jpg
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
:D
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ha scones
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i spent like 20 minutes on it ok guys
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like ppl arent properly appreciating it
it says SCONES
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
IT'S MAKING ME HUNGRY
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
the idea and the execution are sublime. i can't believe one person was responsible for both.
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks bro
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i didnt know you did that yourself man, gj
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i just wanted your approval
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone got a rough idea of which chapter in the book we're upto in the tv series?
― smh (cozen), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
were about a third of the way through, tho i think the danaerys story arc is moving faster in the tv series
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
my roommate is reading these books now too. shit is intense.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I curse my lack of cable and terrible internet connection. How long do these things take to come out on DVD? Please don't tell me that Martin has to oversee the DVD release because he doesn't have have time for this, I say.
― brownie, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
btw there is a knight named hosteen in the books, i lol every time
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I usually don't get the DTs with tv shows, but dammit next episode l34k already!!!
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, finish the book, George.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
he did
― ignore the man behind the parentheses (remy bean), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Errr, finish the series, HBO.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
this show is rilly great
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Confirmation that even my wife, who has never read a sentence of the books, is hooked: at the final scene she shouted out, "we have to wait another WEEK for the next episode? Fuck you HBO". I lolled heartily, she has no idea what she is in store for.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
is this show suspenseful? i can't tell.
― raggett doll, livin' in a rovi (some dude), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
The ending of this week's was pretty suspenseful, particularly for someone new to the story.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Very fun show.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
The jousting scene was the BEST!
^^^^ totally lived up to my expectation
and Catelyn's ambush in the tavern at the end played out beautifully
Samwell is A+, they cast him well. I love the wall boys so much.
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 9 May 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
welp i just finished the first book
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
shit got pretty nuts at the end there
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
soooo we're like halfway through the first book, yeah? -ish? should i bother to start reading? it seems long and i don't have ~that~ much free time.
kinda torn between wanting to know NOW exactly how ham it gets and savoring the madness as it unfolds.
btw found the HBO 'guide' to be v helpful in keeping track of who's who
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
also kinda dont want to read hundreds of pages of stuff i've just seen
if ur like me you will end up making free time to read it
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
its kinda slow going at first but it really picks up ~200 pages in and its worth it even if youve already seen the tv show
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
& its not exactly a "hard read" either, you could finish it over an intense weekend
hmmmm
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i need a good page-turner
good thing i live two blocks from a used book store
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
DO IT
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
thing is, yer gonna wanna read the second book as soon as the first season of the tv show is over, so you'd better read the first book now so you don't miss anything small..
also, in the book during the jousting scene (from sansa's POV) Sir Hugh is just "some knight from the vale." and his death is less obviously diabolical.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Didn't strike me as diabolical, but I'm guessing it's cuz the hand went asking questions?
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think u mean ser hugh
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Viserys Targaryen is growing on me a bit.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I just finished book 1 on sunday...O_O
Found that reading along with the tv show sped me up, because I had a picture of everything, characters etc
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
HODOR
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd like to claim credit for this one, but actually my girlfriend noticed it(she's a fanatic about the books). If you look at the credits, particularly the animals engraved on the bands around the sun, you'll see that they tell the story of Robert Baratheon's war against the Mad King in Heraldic form... It's a nice geeky touch.
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 9 May 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
man I think reading might just be worth it to clarify things in the backstory. It took the HBO guide to figure out ~why~ the mad king killed the Starks and why Jaime Lannister wasn't really respected for icing the guy.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
jaime is outright loathed and mocked for killing aerys iirc.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
the books are a little bit more expository but not much--you dont quite get the whole story of the uprising until midway through and even then its partial and in pieces
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah they haven't played that up but every man's hand is against Jaime now, because Mad King or no Mad King, Jaime is an oathbreaker.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Jaime's entire fame rests on the fact that he killed his king while he was a sworn member of that king's personal bodyguard. The king in question might have been mad, but that sort of thing is not going to give you a good name with anyone who hears about it. Anything else he does in the future is going to have to be pretty special if he's going to live that down.
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 9 May 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah. i mean it took me until today to figure out that there WAS a king's guard, and that he was part of it (and why he wore that special armor). normally i'm pretty good about piecing together backstory, but the pace has been pretty quick and it's hard to keep up
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
read da books dog. you can always skim the parts you've seen if you get bored.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
evan you wont regret reading the books
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
going to the store right now
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I dont think u should read the book gbx
― Aerosol, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i do! im canceling ur vote aerosol
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
All those pages? Come on man , just think this through
― Aerosol, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
not going to read the books now because I like watching the TV show and having no idea what's coming.
I thought the way the king asked the lannister dude how he killed the mad king was pretty telling about the disdain that's felt towards him.
― Gukbe, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
books are just gay tv programmes
― my other username is a finest (cozen), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
reading the books has made me even more psyched on watching the tv show
also cozen otm
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
thx to cozen bye
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
~btw~
this show has totally made me go back and pick up where i left off amidst book 4
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
when I first started in with the books I was bored with the endless description of the armor but then i got really into it. i think seeing the "Arms and Armor of the Habsburg Empire" traveling exhibit around the same time raised my interest.
also, the sumptuous meals described made very hungry
― brownie, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
mark my words gbx, you'll catch yourself saying HODOR for no reason when you're alone
― brownie, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
truthbomb
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
For all your ASOIAF recipe needshttp://innatthecrossroads.wordpress.com/
― Number None, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
omg
― brownie, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
HA!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
BTW about to watch this weeks episode - eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
week's
I want max to send me the screeners RIGH NOW
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
great ep, tho i thought the scene between dany's blonde pervy brother and the concubine chick went on for too long and was really weird. tho i guess they need these expositional scenes to fill in backstory stuff.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
You're right, I got a very draggy feeling with that scene too.
― VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 04:58 (thirteen years ago) link
thought last week was better, a whole lot of exposition-dumping this week. About ready to stop meeting new characters and start seeing 'em get into action of some kind (as in the last couple of minutes.)
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man that jousting scene was brutal, y'all are bloodthirsty folk. Remind me never to get on your bad sides.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link
lol loving "Why Do They Call You Littlefinger" Arya. Ned Stark is kinda dumb though! Is this the first time we've seen his right-hand man in a speaking capacity?
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Last scene with Lady Cat was some righteousness though.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man that jousting scene was brutal, y'all are bloodthirsty folk.
Brutal but awsome!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I kinda couldn't figure out what happened -- was that splinter in the guy's throat from the lance itself, or did it happen when he was falling off the horse?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
ie: is this a dangerous sport that can lead to your death or is the mountain just a particularly violent and disturbed fighter (as is indicated by Littlefinger's story to Sansa)? Also, why did Littlefinger tell Sansa that story? Was he trying to freak her out?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
is this a dangerous sport that can lead to your death or is the mountain just a particularly violent and disturbed fighter (as is indicated by Littlefinger's story to Sansa)?
both?
Also, why did Littlefinger tell Sansa that story? Was he trying to freak her out?
to warn her about the cleganes, i think, both the mountain and the hound? in the book the hound tells her the story himself
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
my word, that recipe site
i think i suddenly stopped liking the books the fifth or sixth time someone ate an olive; that, i think, is what did it for me
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i. the Mountain's lance slipped under an improperly fastened gorget and impaled him
ii. Littlefinger's motivations for most things he does tend to be rather oblique
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I got the sense it was more a malfunction than intentional. People seemed pretty horrified and if the Mountain was known for killing his jousting partners presumably they would've known what to expect. Kinda a mirror to the Dothraki festival where they also kill ppl but they're all pretty cool with it. It makes a nice counterpoint that no matter where you are -- among the Dothraki or in the capital city, people are killing other ppl for pretty much no reason. The only difference is the civilized veneer applied in the capital.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
^ Yeah I thought definite armor malfunction.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Sir Hugh was Jon Arryn's squire. Jon Arryn who was Ned Stark suspects was poisoned....
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
how is carcetti?
there are five olive-eating scenes in 'a storm of swords', by the way, and four in 'a feast for crows'; there are additionally four scenes between the two which take place in or proximate to an olive grove, and thirteen situations in which someone's skin is described as 'olive', in four of which it is immediately followed by a reference to the size of their breasts.
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
olive-eating data for the first two is proving hard to find.
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
that is an incredibly weird thing to notice. maybe in westeros olives are super plentiful. it's basically forecast: mediterranean in king's landing and south, so presumably they've got a lot of trees or summat.
― ignore the man behind the parentheses (remy bean), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
now that i think about it, the real 'reason' littlefinger told that story to sansa is probably that they didnt want to shoot another scene & knew that 'Littlefinger does mysterious shit' would serve in the place of real character motivation - i think it makes way more sense coming from the Hound. in the book he also explains (as a way of mocking Sansa's belief that knights are valorous men whose only interest is in protecting the weak) in that scene that Gregor intentionally tilted at Hugh's weak spot cuz Gregor's just a brutal man who loves to kill
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
it's weird, but the hound is introduced and seems like the most boring notion of a character, & littlefinger seems exactly like what the book needs, but the hound's arc is actually pretty compelling until SPOILER, whereas that of littlefinger quickly reaches the level of 'oh, right, yes, go on then'; hopefully he will get killed off in a really entertaining fashion
bean i think it's an example of the paucity of martin's imagination but i am aware that it's not exactly the silver bullet that's going to convince anyone else -- i just found it incredibly annoying that the books go medieval diet medieval diet medieval diet, & then he decides that westeros is actually the size of a continent, and the books go OLIVES OLIVES OLIVES CHICKPEAS CHICKPEAS
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
all the olive-eating scenes take place in Dorne dont they? which is basically moorish spain
idk i never noticed the olives as much as, like, salt cod and freakin lemoncakes
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
it's moorish spain if moorish spain was cornwall, yes
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i forgot about all those cornish deserts
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
toatlly going to make these: http://innatthecrossroads.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/lemon-cakes-part-2/
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the tom colicchio game of thrones food truck did lemoncakes too, but the recipe is trickier:
http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/storage/got-lemon-cakes-recipe.pdf
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
dorne is prolly the goofiest the books get w/r/t nineteenth-century-style OMG EXOTIC, although the dothraki put up a good fight
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
like -- what bugs me about the books (apart from the narrative stasis) is that martin wants to have his cake and eat it too as to whether westeros is basically medieval england or whether it's a panopoly of various cultures -- so there's this 70s reader's digest cookbook idea of what people ought to be eating, and the logistics of empire are like the war of the roses when they ought to be like rome, and people in an area the size of south america have been speaking one language for six thousand years, before which there were two languages
ha i don't even think he even had the idea that dorn was going to be full of desert and shit until he was halfway through the second book, though
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
their foods are spicy... the women spicier!!!
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
reading the books made me realize i'm some kind of marxist after all, because it pisses me off how just totally bored martin is by "the smallfolk" and by any aspect of history that isn't the part where whispery eunuchs poison heirs in the west wing. i read an interview with him where he was like "i'm into history, but lol not the boring parts" and like oh you mean the relevant parts, dickhead
totally having fun watching this though
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post lol
yeah that recipe might be a little too complex for my remedial baking skills - could prob handle the other tho.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
where whispery eunuchs poison heirs in the west wing
this phrase is awesome! i want to embroider it on a sampler
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
(in the third book there's a bunch of tyrion/littlefinger/whoever stuff involving how much "coin" the "realm" has, and it's really basic and trivial and like someone eating their vegetables: "i guess there should be some administrative intrigue here but ugh why can't people get raped over grain prices")
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post yeah it is
DLH you're a very good writer even on a msgbrd. I can't imagine what you write like elsewhere.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
some friends say not as well!
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think hes more curious about it than you let on dlh - there's an entire POV in AFFC that's dedicated to just showing how devastated the commoners are by the wars being waged by all these narcissistic aristocrats (and from what i can tell the fans hated him for it) - i mean hes definitely more interested in the ~lords & ladies~ type stuff but i will give him credit if he concludes the series (heh) in a way that questions these power structures, because from a certain perspective basically everyone in the books is a villain
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
there's an entire POV in AFFC that's dedicated to just showing how devastated the commoners are by the wars being waged by all these narcissistic aristocrats
was afraid someone would say this cuz i haven't finished this one. but this is cool and makes sense; one of the neat things about him not planning the story from the beginning is his interests/priorities/style can shift.
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i've read it and i don't know which one he means tbh. but the entire plotline with the brotherhood of the thingummy (i hope this is loose enough to not be considered a spoiler) is at least vaguely concerned with all of that, i suppose -- but in the vague-received-idea-of-robin-hood way, not the how-does-robin-hood-actually-function way
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:19 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha otm i keep waiting for a collectivist religious movement or something and it never comes.
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― thomp, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:38 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
i will respond to this in the book thread so i can talk spoilers
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah zip it up in this piece guys
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
sort of enjoying this tho it is kinda confusing still, perhaps i am dense (or stultified by having to ffwd the six ad breaks per show that sky atlantic has) but i feel like it keeps mentioning characters and i'm like "who..", i guess this always happens at the start of these shows, i should prob read the character guide...
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
This may seem like a silly solution but I've found reading Sepinwell + AV Club's reviews of the show has helped with characters + events that confused me the first time through. Might be worth checking them out just to clarify everything you saw in an episode.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been watching this with my flatmate who hasn't read the books and he literally doesn't know a single character's name. Don't blame him though.
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
HBO has a very handy viewers guide
http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
boardgame
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6472/a-game-of-thrones
― brownie, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
"You rolled a 6! Disrobe."
― VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
here is a detailed summary of the books if you are confused. problem is you might end up with spoilers if you unwittingly read too far
http://www.towerofthehand.com/books/guide.html
― brownie, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
two 1s=you must sleep with your twin sister
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"A pair of threes: whore it up"
― VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i tried playing the ccg based on game of thrones once; it was kind of tedious but intersting. i think once ya got the hang of it/bought enough good cards it could be fun.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, so i watched the first four episodes over the last couple days, never having read any of the books (i did like martin as a pop sci-fi and horror writer back in the 80s). pretty good, though very slow moving, thankfully light on faux-celtic swords & sorcery bullshit.
couple things:
1) i get that the dothraki are wide ranging barbarians who take tribute in the form of slaves from all over, and that their culture is therefore multiracial (to some extent). fine, but why are the people of the seven kingdoms so uniformly white? do the seven kingdoms form a closed society or one that hasn't traded much with the rest of the world? understand why winterfell, as a fortified outpost run by a single family, might be racially/culturally homogeneous, but i expected king's landing to be more cosmopolitan. do the books address this?
2) so, are people so politically moronic the books? i mean, everybody just seems to flat out announce their intentions when they first meet friends and even enemies. i get why ned, a somewhat slow-witted but basically noble soldier, might not get the nuances of political discretion, but the lannisters, supposedly these devious & sophisticated aristocrats, come across as total fucking idiots, never missing an opportunity to warn everybody around them that they're entirely self-centered and hostile towards any perceived competition.
anyway, it's okay so far, if a bit light on the wonder and creativity i go to fantasy for.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
but the lannisters, supposedly these devious & sophisticated aristocrats, come across as total fucking idiots
well, the lannisters you've MET. cersei lannister is meant to be paranoid and shortsighted - she sees herself as a schemer, but all her machinations are transparent and predictable. jaime lannister's a career soldier who doesn't care about anything except fighting and banging his sister.
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:14 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, that helps
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I've totally been getting the impression that Jaime has designs on the throne.
Did Kat plan to bump into the Imp and have him arrested, or was it a spur of the moment thing?
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
just a coincidence
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, that's what I thought. Despite a few unclear motivations etc I am really really enjoying this, by the way. People are saying it's slow, but I don't think so at all. I've found almost every scene so far to be compelling, and the production values are superb.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The time taken to introduce the characters and setup def pays off once the "game" really gets going
― VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i52.tinypic.com/10y2wlk.gif
― Number None, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I would like Carcetti to suddenly appear at my side to give me advice at times.
― allmypulp, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
and then tell you he's untrustworthy
― Brakhage, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
that gif is great!
― Aerosol, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
excellent giffage
― VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
that gif reminds me of the nymag recaps (which have been great) where margaret lyons points out how creepy and rape-tinged almost every scene is
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/game_of_thrones_recap_a_newbie_1.html
she also makes one of my favorite character-based analogies, which is sansa:arya::becky:darlene
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
wau @ sansa:arya::becky:darlene
― Aerosol, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i love how it looks like he's being rolled into the shot!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't find a clip but imagine I'm posting, here, the scene from Dead and Loving It in which Dracula's diaphanous henchwomen are revealed to be rolled across the floor on a pull-board.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
where are the dragons
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
why was jousting not any different from earth jousting
why is it not monster-fighting time yet
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I do like this show but can't help but compare its pacing to that of Rome (which I loved so much).
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Rome was awesome
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^ I miss Rome. Especially the hot older Julie Cooper looking lady.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish this had production values a little more like Rome's, but I guess that's kind of a dead-end considering how much Rome cost.
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Julii Cooper iirc
xpost
― Gukbe, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
totally nicked that from TWoP now that I think about it
― Gukbe, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
god i kinda hated rome :( didn't watch anything beyond the first season.
robyn, a large part of game of thrones's appeal lies in that it is not overtly fantastical. so if you want dragons & elves & wizards & shit you might be a bit disappointed, espesh at first.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:55 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark
they should've been riding big-ass dignified birds
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
hella joustin on a big ass dignified bird
sansa:arya::becky:darlene
yesssssssssssss!!!
I hadn't seen that NY Mag stuff - excited to read. Also, Ian otm re the fantastical elements and everyone except Ian otm regarding Rome. I have the boxset but haven't watched it since it aired originally. Keep meaning to.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
read 'hella joustin' as a french name first time around.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah what happened is that I rewatched the first ep w my brother, who hadn't yet watched GoT, and it's so good, and then as eps go on there are so many hints at 'other-worldly' things yet none have really shown themselves. I'd actually be cool w no dragons n stuff if I didn't feel incessantly taunted about there being dragons n stuff one day maybe if yr good.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I really like this idea of dragons + fantasy stuff being a part of the vernacular but not really present. It gives a sense not just of a world in its post-wonderous age (this kind of moment after all the heroes have died and this is what remains) but also an analogue to our own culture where these fairy tales and stories are always very prevalent tho clearly these things don't exist. And I imagine that in the War of the Roses era that GoT is based off, there was probably this real sense of magic just off in the corners of society (whether it's mermaid icons on seafaring maps or the Church going after benandanti for being witches). Obviously it's more real here in GoT (where there are remnants of these things -- in people's memories, or in the dragon eggs) than IRL, but still I like this sense of it being absent from the day to day politics that actually run shit.
― Mordy, Friday, 13 May 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
srsly tho if I'd been the author's editor I would have at least wondered openly to him about jousting scene's relative normalcy. but I do understand that it's tv and needs to be a bit more sustainable than Rome re budget etc. xp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Obviously you're going to have to be very good this year so we can ALL have dragons, rrrobyn.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I was thinking along a similar line, yes! The half-forgetting or loss of magic is really interesting. maybe the lighting and line delivery just makes the supernatural lore stuff seem like taunting rather than just nostalgia or a yearning for faith or whatever it might be. xp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaaa :)
finished the 2nd book yesterday, working on the third as we speak
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
damn!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
most fucked up thing in series so far happens in book 3. enjoy!
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
oh good
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't wait to hear what you think of storm of swords max. its the craziest book!!!
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
ya i was supposed to go out tonight with some friends but.... that might not happen
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i cannot tell you how excited i was when i looked and there were TWO NEW MAPS in the front
TWO NEW MAPS!!
and the old maps had NEW DETAILS
ok just laughed out loud at that dude beheading his horse
― Gukbe, Monday, 16 May 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
was the loras/renly thing hinted at in the books? I don't remember the gay subtext at all. maybe an addition by HBO?
― calstars, Monday, 16 May 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
shit got real this week
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 16 May 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the loras/renly romance is hinted at, but there is absolutely no chest shaving in the books.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 16 May 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
don't understand why daenarys' child is a threat because of the dothraki, but going out and killing the dothraki king's son/wife wouldn't cause recriminations.
― Gukbe, Monday, 16 May 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that seemed dumb to me as well
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 16 May 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
danerys having a child will tie the dothraki ppl to Viserys's cause (the reclamation of the throne by the Targaeryens.) Don't see how any possible repercussions (by a people who are afraid to crossing the ocean) is any worse than the foreseen 'dothraki coming to burn our towns' scenario.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 16 May 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man this is getting fantastic, time for tombot bullets
1. King Fat is like the SADDEST GUY I mean seriously between his first and last dialogue scenes in this ep the dude has basically the absolute worst life on the planet, all this motherfucker has for joy is booze and eats, and he's already the king so he can't even dream except of his own kingdom's dissolution, it is laid out, his life SUCKS
2. My main worry about this piece of teevee is that nothing bad happens for Dinklage. Never mind the character, SPOILERS I know his guy outlasts most of the rest END SPOILERS I just want our man in the small costumes to get through the whole series. I mean if I was a betting man Tyrion would be the eventual benevolent dictator and pops to some kinda westeros republic, but to do that right, P.D. needs to survive to be in his fifties, little men are high insurance, anxiety happens.
3. DUDE the monologue about five vs. one is GREAT. Oh shit now it's every man for himself in the seven kingdoms? What? Libertarianism happened and now you have to worry about everyone who's not a libertarian coming after number one with a halberd! This show just got political. LOL RON PAUL, tell me how you would deal with a horde of horse lords.
4. Carcetti is an extraordinarily unboring agent of wordy exposition. I'm excited to see where Prezbo and Marlo show up. There ought to be some room for black Wire alumni in all this, I mean, they did it for Thor.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 May 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
tombot let me just say that it's a pleasure to see you and i'm glad you're on-board for this shit.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
also re point 3, Robert is being fairly practical--of course if there's an invasion he can't have his lords fighting their own wars with one another--his lack of a unified military seems to be a big problem for him, so much that he seems to take it a personal defect.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
to the daenarys/dothraki threat question:
If she bears an heir to the dothraki, that heir means a claim to ALL OF THE SHIT EVERYWHERE
If she is killed with her child, in the usual poisonous fashion, prior to the child's coming of age, then that represents WHOOPS OH WELL, try again with a real horse lady, stick to what you know.
Frankly the fact that she is alive and well overseas means little - the fact that she is bedding down with a high ranking army commander means that she may command terrifying leverage. It's all about risk, like a sixteen year picking up carpool rides versus a sixteen year old piloting a brand new Superleggera.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 May 2011 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah loras/renly threw me for a loop though. nice touch
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh I don't disagree with his pragmatism. I'm just pointing out that his status and approach is due to the fact that he finds himself in charge of a libertarian wet dream, the "accidental democracy" where he's been put in charge only so far as he's not pissing off anybody else too much, and unification is beyond his imagination.
If he were clever instead of just being depressed all the time, he would encourage the Dothraki threat (maybe even fund it) because a clear and present foe would provide him the opportunity he needs to unify the kingdoms and prove his worth as an emperor.
I realize this is all already said and done in made-up books by a fat dork. Still.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 May 2011 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I keep forgetting how O_O these books are: the breastfeeding weirdo prince, the horse beheading...
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
breasfeeding Prince Robert is one of the creeeeepiest and most unsettling things to me.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link
If he didn't turn that shit up to eleven his books wouldn't be an HBO money pit starring people who have starred in other real stuff
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 May 2011 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
well yeah, but I guess getting caught up in the reading of it you forget how freaky-deaky it all is..I honestly dont think of the books like that, but they are
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
and it's pretty much "abandon all hope etc etc" for any horselovers from now on...kinda downhill from here
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I forgot about the breastfeeding and have been dreading Lysa Arran's appearance since the very first episode where Catelyn reads her letter, but seriously how psychologically scarred is that child actor going to be?
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, those cliffside cells in the Eyrie are WAY too climb-able on the outside. There should be perfectly smooth stone joinery and about 50' more of sheer wall above instead of some nice brick arches and a convenient rooftop.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i spent the whole episode wondering if that kid was sucking on her real boob or if they made some kind of fake boob
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i did think the show did a great job of showing how unstable lysa arryn is and how creepy the eyrie/vale are
It has to be fake because otherwise hello, is this Child Protective Services?
Also because it's way too...full to be natural.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
they made a fake boob
the fact that the kid had a milk moustache was a... nice touch
― public anime #1 (Princess TamTam), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
it was rad that they put the trapdoor on the floor instead of the wall
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if HBO has a bunch of prosthetics left over from Tell Me You Love Me
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
says a lot about how ott the whole episode was that nobody's even mentioned the full frontal wang yet
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know how I feel about the Door of the Moon or whatever it's called. I liked it being in the wall, more of a head-fuck when it turns out to be a door to no-where.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Ian, doesn't Renly look an amazing amount like Mike C@mpb3ll from the MNDC?
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXGZcBlLcGE
the guy on the right is Bronn http://i.imgur.com/WKuCI.gif
― public anime #1 (Princess TamTam), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgOm_WJKpE
Just found out Alfie Allen is playing Theon Greyjoy on Game of Thrones.. Weed is Coming.Sky2Hi2Hold 9 hours ago
― public anime #1 (Princess TamTam), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
have seen fake boob lady cutting about glasgow
― taylor, the creator (cozen), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
also this show rules
― taylor, the creator (cozen), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
enjoyed Ned & Jaime swordfight, wish it had been a little longer
kinda bummed they took out the climb up to the Eyrie...I mean, pacing wise I understand, but it added to the weird flavor of that place
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah really wanted to see the weird system of elevators
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
this ep was good shit, but i'm not call it ham until someone 'major' dies unexpectedly
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
When a horse gets its head chopped off, that's ham to me.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if they hew as closely to the books as they have so far, the season finale is going to own so hard
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
and it will be all kinds of O_O
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Definitely the best episode so far, quite possibly because it had the most added scenes. Felt a lot less stiff.
― Number None, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
need more Arya
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
She's probably had as much screen time as anyone!
― Number None, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i am greedy, she is my favorite :)
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think part of the reason this ep worked so well was that it pretty much stuck to action in king's landing and the eyrie; brief visit to winterfell, no dothraki stuff, no wall stuff. not that i don't really like the stuff on the wall, but to keep shifting the scene does take some momentum out of each episode.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah i agree. It is a problem in a show with so many characters in disparate locations.
― Number None, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
every time arya is on screen i think, as if for the first time, "wow, you are a terrible actress"
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
:I
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Whaaa? I think she's great!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It's interesting that you say that and this is followed up by Treme. Just thinking about how Simon has to force himself to write really tight "anecdote" scenes to pack in all the people and situations he wants to do; Thrones, being all notional period stuff and supposedly needing that much more exposition, has to abbreviate a lot and yet still ends up spending probably far too much time in each set
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
That was to ian, you crossposting fuckers
xxpost to rogermexico: cut your throat, traitor! raaaaghhh! (run at you sword aloft)
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Arya is too pretty. In the book they keep calling her horse-faced.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, martin kind of softens it, shes supposed to look like bryanna stark, who is supposed to be beautiful
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
or whatever neds sister was called
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
lyanna
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the poor horse!!
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
(does anyone think the horse is ned stark)
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, May 16, 2011 7:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
remind me to never have dinner at your house
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― just sayin, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, May 13, 2011 11:07 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
:(
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
this really is pretty brutal
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
aww that's years away. guess i'll have to read the books.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i had to put the book down. i am "processing it."
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess i'm on board with this now, to the point where i just frustrate my way through the series-prolonging bits of useless exposition by looking forward to the next cool bit of business with tyrion or arya or w/e. that stephen king-style soap opera plotting, where you get a bunch of disparate threads going, and don't really have to advance any of them much, cuz suspense takes over whenever you're away from the most appealing characters. hope this continues long enough to see the current cast and plot threads completely upended.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
just finished the third book after marathon reading sesh, goddamn some crazy shit happens
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
^_^ yes, yes it does
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
The prospect of watching the crazy shit happen on the TV show after having read it alraedy and BEING STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SERIES AS IT IS...it's like I'm hanging on two cliffs at once, and frankly it's exhausting.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean like holy shit. i sort of wonder if the showrunners at hbo are plotting everything out or just taking it one season at a time
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
That said, I re-purchased the trade version of Book 2 yest so I can re-read. lol @ self
halfway through book 2ILX is lucky to make the grade, I may quit life just to read READ READ
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
1/4 of the way through the fourth book and i am beginning to see why ppl are so frustrated with martin. the iron islands?? who gives a shit about this??? are the dornishmen italian or like turkish or what?? how are they even on the same continent???????
also he loves courtly intrigue but he doesnt really seem to care about actual politics? there are at least 3 major institutions (the citadel, the septons, and the nights watch) in the 7 kingdoms that would irl be big non-aristocratic power bases but instead they are totally apolitical??? chyeah right
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
still this guy can plot an epic fantasy like a m-f'er
at this pace he should be done in 10 years, right? its like 5 years between each book?
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, he BETTER be done in, let's see (my guess at the HBO schedule):1 year for GoT.1 year for CoK2 years for SoS1 year for FFC2 years for DoD
So he has 5 years (need a year lead-time for production) to get the 2nd to last book done, and then 1 or two years for the last book.
So 5-7 years, I guess.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
theyre gonna need to hurry up some of those seasons if they want to make sure the kids dont age
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys really think HBO will keep this thing going for 7 seasons??
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I expect some condensation of the story; also I expect that after this season they will just shoot continually to avoid aging issues with the kids
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
The viewership has been climbing every week, so the outlook is pretty good:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/17/game-of-thrones-ratings-climb/
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
although onset of puberty could be a neat explanation for some things later on
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
hope those kids end up being good ass actors, at any rate
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
its funny reading this knowing that its a tv show too -- it kind of makes sense actually, esp. given that martin's background is in tv writing. the last few chapters of every book have a very "hbo season finale" feeling
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
so i think i just figured something out
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
but i won't post it because if i'm right it'll be spoil-y
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
also is it sad that i'm actually like "aw sweet i have years of entertaining television to look forward to"
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sad! You could post your theory in one of the book threads, but then you would get a spoilered...
― schwantz, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:19 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
also thinking about this -- during the targaeryns reign there was no other political force besides the targaeryns, because they had dragons, and no one else did. and so the context of the books is sort of "the fall of the house targaeryn," and the scramble for power vacuum to be filled, and martin is obviously on-point w/ the way aristocrats jockey for power. and hes _almost_ there toward books 3 and 4 in terms of showing the political power of the nights watch, not to mention the political power of religion w/r/t the (possible spoiler?) lord of light. but i still feel like hes not really grasping the way these institutions would actually wield power. like lol you think the maesters are really going to spend their lives "serving" for thousands of years? you mean, the only guys on westeros who know how to heal people and read? hmm sure
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the maesters are a bunch of ineffectual academics/advisors who have advanced as far as capable under a fairly strict caste system.
― remy bean, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:19 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark
w/o spoiling anything, the septons & citadel are totally political
we should take this to the feast for crows thread though, which is where all the booktalk seems to congregate:
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i havent finished book4 yet tho
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I just borrowed GoT from a friend. Apparently I am committing my life to something.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
You will be able to construct a full set of armor and livery from memory by the tine you're through. It's the McCall's dressmaking pattern book of the middle ages.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 May 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Time, goddammit
Construct the armor, tine by tine you meant.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 19 May 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
sew, construct, et al
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 May 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Also forge thineself a fine blade
yesssssssssssssssssss
also i have never had Deep Thoughts about the maesters mainly because whenever i see that spelling i want to punch myself in the eyes. how are they pronouncing it in the show?? IMPORTANT PERIOD DETAILS
― thomp, Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Aren't the Dornish a different race to the Andals who make up the majority of the population of Westeros?
― Number None, Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:58 (thirteen years ago) link
They're pronouncing maester how it looks
― Number None, Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
there is no way of doing that in modern english orthography. don't be unhelpful.
― thomp, Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok it's mayster then
― Number None, Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
well that's wrong
― thomp, Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
and obviously this is the single detail upon which the whole fiction loses its credibility and falls apart
kind of like the obsessive attention to olives?
― remy bean, Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't see why the rest of you won't recognise the importance of these things
― thomp, Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Language is clearly something Martin isn't too bothered about (which is kind of a relief after so many crappy post-Tolkien efforts)
― Number None, Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess what bothers me about dorne is less the culture or language stuff and more that there is a DESERT there. the place is 1/3 the size of the entire north and it has three distinct land types, each with its own special kind of dornishmen??
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 19 May 2011 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link
they're densely packed, like sardines or pygmys.
― remy bean, Thursday, 19 May 2011 11:22 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh i am sort of "working out" my issues w/ martin w/r/t the fucked up shit that happens in book 3. still kind of mad at him.
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 19 May 2011 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i should prob read these huh
i tried once and it didn't take
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
or maybe that was wheel of time, heh
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
got to the bit in the fourth book where it is explained why i should give a shit about the iron islands. i take it back! i love you george!!
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, working from home must leave you a lot of time to read. I'm not even though Book 2 and I started it on Monday night.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, yeah, plus its been so rainy this week, no reason not to just plow through
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
when are we all gonna get together and play the boardgame?
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a board game...?
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
game of boards
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
zomg why did I not know about this earlier, we could have shot the pieces with BB guns while drinking malort at jjj's bachelor party
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3374/3312777505_a59c2c6848.jpg
problem is, everyone's gonna wanna be the starks, right?
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
HOLY SHITBALLS
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Lannisters have Tyrion tho
― Number None, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Can I be the Black Watch?
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
good question, but i doubt it since they do not interfere in matters of the realm? otoh, it would be cool also be the wildlings.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I want to be mad king rhaegar, and use the monopoly guy as a token.
― remy bean, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Black Watch protect all the kingly babies from the big bad so they better be in the game >:(
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/
― Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Not to be a pedant or anything (screw it this is the GOT thread) but they're called the Night's Watch.
― Number None, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry I brain farted on the name
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
gross
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
have you never heard of a brain fart before?!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty sure Dan's heard of a brain fart before.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
that was a pitiful attempt of a joke
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:37 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol reading the books for some reason i imagine portia de rossi as cersei
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://cgi.ebay.com/Game-Thrones-Boardgame-Plus-2-Expansions-FFG-OOP-/260786629040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb81829b0
― one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i really had catelyn pictured as robin wright penn
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I like that ...she would be good. Am warming to Cat now though.
And I'm growing more fond of Sarah Connor Chronicles not-terminator lady as Cersei...at first it seemed like she had one facial expression and just kept tilting her head from side to side but I'm seeing it a bit more now, the Cersei-ness of her
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that kind of sad conversation she and robert had about their marriage really went a long way to humanizing her
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 21 May 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
definitely
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 May 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
psyched for the inevitable videogame of thrones
― taylor, the creator (cozen), Saturday, 21 May 2011 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a preview of it in the new pc gamer (us)! looks like a paint by numbers RTS
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 21 May 2011 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the game of thrones world but not enough to want to play a videogame/card game about it. mostly i just want to know wtf is happening
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 21 May 2011 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link
btw just wanted to announce in this thread that i finished the first four books, anyone who is considering reading these really should, i dont really like high fantasy and thought these were siiiiick
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 21 May 2011 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
'high' fantasy, bonghits amirite.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 21 May 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
ian ill thank u to take ur drug humor elsewhere
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 21 May 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
lol ian
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 May 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Weed Is Coming
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 21 May 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
howland weed
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 21 May 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
green dreams iirc
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 21 May 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
so i am 2/3 of the way thru the book and i be like damn
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Saturday, 21 May 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Jesus christ do you all just read extremely quickly or . . . ?
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Saturday, 21 May 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I re-read all four in like a week recently. Shit is addictive.
― Number None, Saturday, 21 May 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I could see if that if you don't work or do something where you can read on the job but otherwise that just seems nuts. I might just be a slower reader though. idk.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Saturday, 21 May 2011 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i only started reading in earnest a couple days ago, with the biggest chunk getting knocked out today
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Saturday, 21 May 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't work lol
― Number None, Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm still noodling through bk 2...I'm not always in the mood to read all the time but I try to read at lunchtimes & bed, afternoon on the weekend. sometimed I'll go full tilt & do a book in a day or 2, but slower pace is my norm lately
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
evan if u think 2/3 of book 1 is "damn"........
Just u wait son.
Just u wait
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 22 May 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
stoked
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Sunday, 22 May 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
like i look back on the first book and it feels like a totally different series
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 22 May 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Sunday, 22 May 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
so basically i need a clash of kings for my kindle asap
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Sunday, 22 May 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the first book is a table setter. A SETTING FOR CROWS.
― brownie, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
need more Arya― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, May 16, 2011 4:47 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, May 16, 2011 4:47 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This. :\
Didn't care much for this episode tbh for which I had to wait a FULL WEEK to watch so the mounting anticipation might've set me up for a letdown. I usually like the political intrigue stuff but everything kind of felt inert to me, perhaps I'll re-watch the episode in lieu of reading the book.
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Monday, 23 May 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/ee0FO.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/NWvMH.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/urBhx.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/GVx8I.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/TWyWx.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/gZglu.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/8IYJV.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/9nUk4.gif
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ahahahaha
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
cersei one is hilar
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
haha that one's my fav too. that lady makes some crazy fuckin faces
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
man i wish i had hbo
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
her faces are nuts - there's something strange about one of her eyes maybe.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
lolll at Varys' little...moue. Does that count as a moue? I've always wondered.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Cersei has a slanty face like this :/
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah varys' is my second favorite. i just had to google moue but it looks like it qualifies!!
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Carcetti has excellent eyebrow skills
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 May 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
So I see some threads are coming together. DAMN.
― Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Rebel IMF (Leee), Monday, 23 May 2011 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Was Dany trying to hatch the dragon egg, or making an omelet, or unconsciously trying to see if she was the Dragon?
― Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Rebel IMF (Leee), Monday, 23 May 2011 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
hatch, iirc.
Viserys scene in the finale was played perfectly, just how I pictured it.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 May 2011 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i think she was just bored and wanted to see what would happen
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Monday, 23 May 2011 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
lol "making an omelet"
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 May 2011 05:49 (thirteen years ago) link
last time I try to eat whilst watching this (horse-heart sequence...)
Who was the guy who stood up for Tyrion? white dudes in armor all looking the same to me.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 23 May 2011 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link
that was Bronn, the mercenary who kicked ass & cracked jokes w/Tyrion on the trip up to the Eyrie. He wasn't really wearing armor, just leather, which is partly how he beat a slower knight in full plate.
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Monday, 23 May 2011 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I want to troll this thread every time I open it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 23 May 2011 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah ):
― thomp, Monday, 23 May 2011 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Bronn's swordfight was pretty great.
I ate hours before and still almost barfed my cookies with that horse heart scene...also with the bloody mouth I kept thinking of King Diamond, lol http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/sharonjoy666/12b42c81.jpg
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotta say that they've p deftly compressed a lotta stuff without needless exposition
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't watched it yet but now I'm going to make sure I do so before I eat dinner. I'm not very squeamish that sort of "please I'm eating" stuff doesn't generally effect me but this sounds p bad.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I watched next week's episode and now I'm bummed that I have to wait two weeks for a new one. :(
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 May 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
wait how did you do that
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
via HBO Go
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont have
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
me neither
download son
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
cant find it :(
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
emailing you :)
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
ty!
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I read the last book in less than a week, but I did have a job where I could sit and read 9-11 hours a day. (I was reading at the rate of 40-50k a day at the time.)
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Just watched it and holy shit. When the guy mentioned a crown of gold I had a feeling they would go the route of that Roman Governor.
Also I have no access to the seventh episode at the moment as I'm overseas and without a computer so if we can keep discussion of it until it airs properly that would be awesome. Or else I can just avoid the thread until next week.
― Gukbe, Monday, 23 May 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
omg! amazing. gonna watch this 7th ep now!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 May 2011 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Goddamn. After watching 6 and 7 my doubts as a fan of the books have pretty much disappeared.
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
episode 7 was the best one yet imo
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I enjoyed Sansa cutting off the Septa just as she was about launch into a story about where she was from. Reckon that was the writers poking a little fun at themselves. Oh and Tyrion's monologue was hilarious.
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Everything about Tyrion is so great. <3 PD so much in this.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
sansa is such a bitch to the septa, i felt bad :(
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah :(
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i love when sansa's like "i dont want someone noble and brave, i want joffrey!" and ned and arya both look like they're gonna crack up
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure also that in the books Tyrion never admits to beating off in the turtle soup.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
that was fantastic
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
he must have stood on the table to reach the stewpot imo.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
FINALLY THAT WHINY BLOND GOT HIS JUST DESERTS
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Joffrey is the only blonde snot i really wanted to see get his "golden crown".
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
The way HBO is delving into the Knight of Flowers and Renly's relationship, we may see one of them get a "golden crown" too.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Ahhhh just watched #7 and want to say so much!! Gah.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I dug up #7 as well. Aiden Gillen is killing this shit.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Aiden Gillen is killing this shit.
i read this and thought HOLY SHIT BUBBLES IS IN THIS? and googled and discovered this was carcetti, and wondered why i'd been so sure that the guy who played bubbles was named aiden gillen, and then realized that this was because i'd gotten the name from the wire's opening credits and i know a guy named adrian who with an earlier haircut looked a lot like bubbles. i'm just posting this because i was proud of getting to the bottom of it so quickly.
also putting on E5 right now
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
bubbles IS jalabhar xho
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that was exactly what i thought for an exciting moment i'd somehow missed
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah that guy is really good. Someone start third thread for ppl who have seen advance episodes now. Kidding. Sort of.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
erica. read the books. and then post on the book thread.
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I want to post on the book thread but I'm still not done with 2 :(
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Who was the guy who stood up for Tyrion? white dudes in armor all looking the same to me.― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Sunday, May 22, 2011 11:00 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkthat was Bronn, the mercenary who kicked ass & cracked jokes w/Tyrion on the trip up to the Eyrie. He wasn't really wearing armor, just leather, which is partly how he beat a slower knight in full plate.― farty f baby (Princess TamTam),
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Sunday, May 22, 2011 11:00 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam),
Yeah, I totally had to read a recap to figure out that he was a mercenary/ronin/whatever that Cat picked up at that tavern, and not part of her retinue (which I'd forgotten consisted only of Awesome-Sideburns Dude).
― Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Rebel IMF (Leee), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
When the Dancing King told Arya that there's only one god, I was dreading more BSG-level nonsense, but then: "Not today"! Love this guy.
Hahaha oh god my friend the interwebs found a copy of the seventh episode. Hurry, interwebs!
― Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Rebel IMF (Leee), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
episode 7 was rad
― itp, l-r: me, you http://bit.ly/itplrmy (cozen), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
totes. admit that I'd be a little lost without having just read it tho
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
man i love the calisi's assistant girl...
― Suggest Banter (Local Garda), Thursday, 26 May 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ronan, its spelled "khaleesi," thanks
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 26 May 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i just saw this in the subtitles for tonight...either way, my reasoned point stands.
― Suggest Banter (Local Garda), Thursday, 26 May 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
PS: If you don't know how to spell key words, may I suggest reading the book?
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 26 May 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
laurel don't be mean. khaleesi is not exactly a 'key word' imo.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 26 May 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it's in another language ffs
I'm not being mean! I'm very fond of Ronan! And I think he could stand to read the book.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 26 May 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i've watched circa 6 hours, and now someone's mentioned stannis. stannis. who the fuck is stannis.
― Suggest Banter (Local Garda), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ i have a lot of trouble w/ the names... my gf + i were like, have we met stannis? which one was he?
― just sayin, Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link
(yes i know, i should just read the books)
stannis is king robert baratheon's brother. not renly, the gay one, but the other one. he's stern and tall and got stuck managing an island he doesn't really want. his chief characteristic is that he's not very likeable.
― remy bean, Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:22 (thirteen years ago) link
They haven't even cast Stannis yet as far as i know
― Number None, Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i had to google him. episode 7 was great tho. shit is really going down now.
― Suggest Banter (Local Garda), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:29 (thirteen years ago) link
stannis' chief characteristic is that he owns bones
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link
stannis is veryhttp://i51.tinypic.com/rupudi.jpg
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 26 May 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i would cast christopher eccleston as stannis. or maybe ray winstone.
― remy bean, Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
eccleston would be perfect. winstone isnt what i imagined but otoh ray winstone can do whatever the hell he wants
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i was just reading that theyve sent out casting calls for melisandre and brienne, so stannis cant be far away from being cast
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Stannis is a dick, rah I hate him. Hope they get someone good. Like Thewlis, or older like David Morse
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
thewlis feels too sort of bumbling to play stannis
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
there's always his evil australian counterpart, david wenham
hes kinda too good looking though
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Wenham might be too young
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
third book is fucking nuts
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Saturday, 28 May 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ like this post
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 28 May 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
omg evan you dont even know
― ☂ (max), Saturday, 28 May 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it is nuts until the last fuckin page bro
― ☂ (max), Saturday, 28 May 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
grrm should put that on the back dance of dragons--"it is nuts until the last fuckin page bro -Max, gawker.com"
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 28 May 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
advance praise for dance of dragons: "this shit is going to be wild" -- max
― ☂ (max), Saturday, 28 May 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
One thing I don't get is why rapey young guy is part of the Stark household. Don't want to google it for fear of spoilers.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 28 May 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Theon is a ward, "won" from Stark's defeat of the Greyjoys
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 May 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Theon (rapey guy) is a hostage in the medieval sense, meaning a family member from a rival house who the Starks are holding onto & treating relatively well to keep the Greyjoys in line.
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 28 May 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― ☂ (max), Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:11 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark
yesssss
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Saturday, 28 May 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks! Episode seven was intense, can't wait for the rest of the show if it gets as crazy as everyone's saying. Maybe I'll read the books.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 28 May 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Just wanted to thank folks who have seen EP7 but who haven't gone into details in this thread.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Saturday, 28 May 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
otm, I cringe in anticipation of spoilers but none yet, so thanks from me also!
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 29 May 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
it's funny, I didn't pay a lot of attention to Theon when I was reading Book 1, but since the series started airing I'm actually having a much easier time picturing him in Book 2...I think he was really well cast in this.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 29 May 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
theon doesn't really do much at all in the first book iirc, aside from occasionally have a bro sesh with robb. and apparently smangs babes.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Sunday, 29 May 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
final (non epilogue) scene of third book is so baller
it's almost as if dude wrote these with tv/film staging in mind?
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Sunday, 29 May 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
also holy shit these are like crack, I read storm of swords in under 24 hours?
loooool
― this you irl http://i.imgur.com/v3kw8.gif (cozen), Sunday, 29 May 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Aw hell I downloaded ep 6 twice!
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
#firstworldproblems
― Number None, Monday, 30 May 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
http://hauteslides.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Game-of-Thrones-Infographic-Full-Screen.png
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"star"
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 30 May 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Episode 7 was the best yet--finally made me take the plunge into reading the book(s).
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 30 May 2011 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link
1. Dany couldn't have been thrilled to hear Drogo promising to rape a bunch of Westeroi. 2. lol @ Samwise, "wizard." 3. Night's Watch are admirably religiously tolerant!4. Ned is so dumb. :(
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 06:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, episode-specific relationship maps here: http://hauteslides.com/2011/05/game-of-thrones-infographic-illustrated-guide-to-houses-and-character-relationships/#more-1141
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
is there an epi 8 on hbo vod?
― this you irl http://i.imgur.com/v3kw8.gif (cozen), Monday, 30 May 2011 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link
nah that was a one-time-thing to promote hbo go
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Monday, 30 May 2011 10:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/BaZa4.gif
ha ha!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 May 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
and yes, Ned is so very dumb.
was the hand uncle benjen's hand? and wait, wasn't that benjen with tyrion last episode? or was that someone else?
― akm, Monday, 30 May 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
oh it was bronn. so where at benjen been?
― akm, Monday, 30 May 2011 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Benjen is apparently lost somewhere beyond the wall as his horse returned without him. No confirmation of the found hand's identity is yet made.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 May 2011 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
some of those craggy bearded guys can be easy to mix up. Benjen's missing - that's all we know about him right now.
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Monday, 30 May 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
in case anyone finds it useful, here's a spoiler-free guide to minor characters i c/p'd from another board:
http://i.imgur.com/W8rh7.jpgMaester Aemon - A blind old maester who has served in the Night's Watch for most of his life.
http://i.imgur.com/whkUB.jpgSer Alliser Thorne - A knighted member of the Night's Watch charged with training new recruits.
http://i.imgur.com/6qrEB.jpgSer Barristan Selmy (aka Barristan the Bold) - Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Ser Barristan served in the Kingsguard under Aerys Targaryen and remained loyal to the Mad King throughout Robert's rebellion. When he became king, Robert pardoned Ser Barristan and promoted him to Lord Commander.
http://i.imgur.com/fCLMw.jpgBenjen Stark - Younger brother of Ned. Benjen is First Ranger of the Night's Watch.
http://i.imgur.com/vShPv.jpgLord Beric Dondarrion - The Lord of Blackhaven, sworn to House Baratheon. Lord Beric was charged by Ned Stark to bring the king's justice to Ser Gregor Clegane.
http://i.imgur.com/ueJxQ.jpgBronn - A skilled sellsword who joins Catelyn's trek to the Eyrie for profit. He befriends Tyrion on the way and represents the dwarf as his champion in trial by combat, knowing that a Lannister always pays his debts.
http://i.imgur.com/recKB.jpgGendry - Bastard son of King Robert working as a smith's apprentice in King's Landing.
http://i.imgur.com/ObFyc.jpgSer Gregor Clegane (aka The Mountain) - A bannerman to House Lannister, sometimes referred to as "Tywin Lannister's mad dog." His younger brother is Sandor Clegane. Ser Gregor was sent by Tywin to ravage the Riverlands in retaliation for Catelyn Stark's capture of Tyrion. Consequently, he was stripped of all lands and titles by Ned Stark and sentenced to death.
http://i.imgur.com/jmptJ.jpgGrenn - A Night's Watch recruit and friend of Jon Snow.
http://i.imgur.com/Hrz3r.jpgHodor - Hodor.
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Monday, 30 May 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lol nevermind. forgot about image limit.
http://i.imgur.com/uKL5y.jpgSer Hugh of the Vale - Former squire to Jon Arryn, up-jumped to knighthood shortly after his lord's death. Ser Hugh was killed in a joust against Ser Gregor Clegane.
http://i.imgur.com/DBJtR.jpgMagister Illyrio Mopatis - A powerful merchant from the free city of Pentos. Illyrio provided sanctuary for the exiled Targaryen siblings and arranged Dany's marriage to Khal Drogo. Arya overhears Illyrio scheming with Varys in the bowels of King's Landing.
http://i.imgur.com/tlaR8.jpgSer Ilyn Payne - The King's Justice (re: royal executioner). His tongue was removed by the Mad King Aerys.
http://i.imgur.com/ugQYK.jpgJanos Slynt - Commander of the City Watch of King's Landing.
http://i.imgur.com/9Dwcn.jpgJeor Mormont - Lord Commander of the Night's Watch and father of the exiled Ser Jorah Mormont.
http://i.imgur.com/MbQT9.jpgJory Cassel - Head of Ned Stark's household guard and nephew to Ser Rodrik Cassel. Jory was killed by Jaime Lannister in King's Landing.
http://i.imgur.com/9pq0G.jpgLancel Lannister - King Robert's squire. Lancel is the son of Kevan Lannister, Tywin's younger brother.
http://i.imgur.com/RgPD8.jpgSer Loras Tyrell (aka The Knight of Flowers) - A famed young knight. He is the youngest son of Mace Tyrell, the Lord of Highgarden and Warden of the South. Loras is the secret lover of Renly Baratheon.
http://i.imgur.com/nCyUy.jpgLysa Arryn (née Tully) - Younger sister of Catelyn Stark and daughter of Hoster Tully. Lysa was married to Jon Arryn during Robert's rebellion as a symbol of Riverrun's allegiance to the rebels' cause.
http://i.imgur.com/VqLVS.jpgMaester Luwin - A servant of House Stark, Luwin remained in Winterfell to counsel Robb when Ned left for King's Landing.
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Monday, 30 May 2011 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/tl8Ap.jpgSepta Mordane - A servant of House Stark charged with teaching Sansa and Arya about ladyhood. The title "septa" designates her a clergy member of the Faith of the Seven.
http://i.imgur.com/NcuJK.jpgGrand Maester Pycelle - The highest-ranking maester in the Seven Kingdoms, having served under several kings. Pycelle is a member of the king's small council.
http://i.imgur.com/W4mjb.jpgOsha - A wildling woman who participated in an attack on Bran in the forests of Winterfell. Her life was spared by Robb.
http://i.imgur.com/FPTSk.jpgPyp - A Night's Watch recruit and friend of Jon Snow.
http://i.imgur.com/tZR32.jpgRakharo - Bodyguard of Daenerys.
http://i.imgur.com/gk50j.jpgRast - A Night's Watch recruit and foe of Jon Snow. Rast was a raper, and chose the Wall over castration.
http://i.imgur.com/fHhqi.jpgLord Renly Baratheon - The Lord of Storm's End and youngest of King Robert's two brothers. Renly sits on the king's small council as the Master of Laws.
http://i.imgur.com/qNSLH.jpgRobin Arryn - The only son of Lysa and Jon Arryn. Robin is a sickly boy who still breastfeeds well beyond a reasonable age. I mean, just look at this fucking kid.
http://i.imgur.com/nWe2m.jpgSer Rodrik Cassel - Winterfell's Master-at-Arms and uncle of Jory Cassel. Ser Rodrik accompanies Catelyn Stark to King's Landing and the Eyrie.
http://i.imgur.com/cPjz0.jpgSamwell Tarly - A Night's Watch recruit and friend of Jon Snow. Sam is the oldest son of Randyll Tarly, the Lord of Horn Hill. He was forced to join the Night's Watch by his father, who was ashamed of his son and didn't want him to inherit his lands and titles.
cherry on top
http://i.imgur.com/8KbmK.jpgYoren - A recruiter for the Night's Watch. Yoren accompanies Tyrion on his trek south from the Wall, and rides hastily to King's Landing to warn Ned about his wife's capture of the imp.
Thx bro
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 30 May 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
These last two episodes confirmed that I do love this show.(was talking to someone yesterday about Treme and he said give it another try; it's a slow burn but when it gets there it really gets there. And i'm like dude, to me game of thrones is a slow burn, so I don't know...)
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 May 2011 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
major lols at Robin Arryn, god what a perfect picture.
Didn't realize that Jorah's dad is in the NW, who are supposed to be celibate...?
Ser Smirky McSmirksalot/Alliser Thorne -- is he the Lieut. Commander that Jon is going to steward for?
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
some dudes in the nights watch had families before joining
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 30 May 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah, gotcha!
I am going to predict that in episode 8, Ned is imprisoned but Arya, with the help of Bob Ross, is going to bust him out with her mad water dancing skillz.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
hated the scene in littlefinger's pleasure palace.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 30 May 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
found it v hard to concentrate on his speech
― just sayin, Monday, 30 May 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I found it very hard to watch since I was wincing so hard I could barely see. That was some made-up "here be explication" shit.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 30 May 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
It isn't HBO unless someone is giving backstory while getting a bj.
― polyphonic, Monday, 30 May 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
BADLITTLEFINGER.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Alas poor Yoren
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 30 May 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"hmm, this littlefinger scene is pretty boring... lets make this naked chick play with the other naked chicks ass"
― ☂ (max), Monday, 30 May 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Carcetti's diction is very weird... Can't decide if I like it or not.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, May 30, 2011 2:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
nah, hes a knight but he just trains recruits. Jeor Mormont, the Lord Commander of the entire night's watch, is who jon's gonna be fluffing pillows for
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
littlefinger scene was Very HBO, but i liked the way he said 'play with her arse'
i thought tywin lannister's introduction was gangster as hell. skinning a stag - kinda groanworthy as a premise but in execution it was awesome. nice way to get across how methodical and unflinching he is, and from a staging perspective it was a lot more interesting to watch than just a static conversation.
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the sort of classical feel of khal drogo waging war purely because they tried to assassinate the khalisi...thus ensuring they bring about their own worst fears.
― Suggest Banter (Local Garda), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit this show. i really think i hate ned stark.
― Mordy, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
enjoying this ALOT more now than i thought i would after the first episode, would probably enjoy it more if more static expo scenes were filmed w/ field dressing in the foreground rather than some whores. are the books quick/fun reads? ie something i could plausibly pull off this summer? very very very wary of fantasy in general (very happy to leave lotr to watching the movies and that's that). also should i be rooting for the klingons this much? basically am read to see all the white people die and snow zombies isn't really the way i want to see it done, much rather barbarian hordes.
― balls, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, now that the jackass has had his head melted I'd be totally up for Drogo/Daenrys winning.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The littlefinger scene was prob the first time I was annoyed by the gratuitous sex/nudity HBOness of it. I really hated that part and Laurel also otm about it earlier.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
balls: after some extreme wariness about fantasy writing I have been enjoying the first book quite a bit. Definitely has helped me understand what's going on, but also a good breezy read.
Unlike other people here I am not going to read ahead of the show, though.
― polyphonic, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I might read ahead of the show if the cliffhanger is excruciating enough. Might just jump straight in on vol 2 though, sure I'll pick up any extra plot bits and pieces.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 30 May 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
it reminded me of the first three seasons of the wire when they'd throw in a quick sweaty sex scene every now and then out of nowhere. only if instead they'd also had mcnulty thoroughly describe a flowchart of the barksdale organization while banging that waitress. every other week.
― balls, Monday, 30 May 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
The show is good. The books are better. And i don't see why anyone who's enjoyed the show so far wouldn't enjoy the books even more.
― Number None, Monday, 30 May 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Because you'd have to periodically look at the internet while reading them to get your lesbian fix.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 30 May 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
books are great! i read all four over about 15 or 20 days, though i have a lot of free time. and yeah, number none otm, if you like the series i cant imagine you wont like the books
― ☂ (max), Monday, 30 May 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
also chap no spoilers but the cliffhanger will be excruciating
max otm
I'll have done 4books in about a week but I'm sorta crazy like that
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 30 May 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Aww damn, Amazon has a 4-vol. box for $20! http://www.amazon.com/George-Martins-Thrones-4-Book-Boxed/dp/0345529057/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306804364&sr=8-1
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not going to ask if I should get, because I just assume everyone is going to say yes.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― a thong of ice and fire (Princess TamTam), Monday, May 30, 2011 9:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
finished the first book last week. damn, what an ending!
really psyched to see the hbo-style season finale ending with each story line getting capped off while jeff buckley's hallelujah plays in the background
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
will be off the chain
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't do the HBO GO thing last week so I just saw ep 8, which was bad-ass. Needed more Arya tho.
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
People who have read the books: where do you side concerning the balance between experiencing the plot cliffhangers for the first time by watching the show versus having already read the books and knowing what the darn is going on.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
if you haven't read them yet, I'd wait until the end of this season at this point
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
btw finished feast for crows and am sorta ~pissed~ I have to wait for the next one
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Laurel otm abt Carcetti's pr0n scene...stared at the ceiling til it ws over. Ffs surely there is a better way to deliver exposition. (yes yes boobs n arses is better I know)...he is so fucking crepey I cant stand it. Great, but creepy.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not that he's gross, it's that there's something gross abt staging an exposition scene (with a long-ass intro before the exposition even starts) around leering shots of prostitutes learning to finger one another. i mean, i hate to use a word like "gratuitous" in this day and age, but come on. at least the skinning in that pther long info-dump served a purpose, developed character in a useful way. we already know that baelish is a sleazebag whoremhonger, we hardly need spend five minutes watching him mong whores to get this point across.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 08:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if they established that whore from the north over the last couple of episodes just to have her in this scene.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 09:44 (thirteen years ago) link
roz q. exposition, the whore from the north
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link
sort of hoping she'll show up nude in every lengthy exposition scene
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaai thought this scene was hilarious!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe they can have her field dress a deer while nude
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
also that scene is really going to screw with the TBS edit
Maybe there is some kind of nude quota imposed & they had to make up the quota in a hurry
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing I took away from that scene is that Littlefinger is going to use Expositho as his pegging specialist
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gukbe, Wednesday, June 1, 2011 4:44 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
wondered the same thing, tbh
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
five minutes watching him mong whores to get this point across.
Not so much monging as polishing his wares. Even from the pov of pure, gratuitous titillation, the scene was too long and too flat. But like the Tywin scene (mentioned above) it served to underline that we're not supposed to like him. Don't know the books but the show is rather cartoonish though not in an entirely bad way.
― For one throb of the (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
he's not particularly trustworthy in the books either from what I remember
my wife spent a good 5 minutes after the episode ranting along the theme of "why would you trust anyone who was in love with your wife? stupid ass"
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ned is really, really dumb
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the things I loved about Martin's story was how he took the archetypal "honorable knight" of fantasy stories and showed how that character just would not work at all if up against anyone who acted even halfway rationally
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
(this comment is in the context of what's already been shown in the show btw)
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
SPOILER WARNING
can't wait until we get to see ned and jamie form crazy-haired pop sensation Jeddard
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh that was where the books jumped the shark for me
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
im going to wait for dance of dragons to see how that pans out
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
pissed i have to wait two weeks
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
must be a role somewhere in the books for paz de la huerta
― this you irl http://i.imgur.com/v3kw8.gif (cozen), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
NO
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I checked - nothing for her. Nothing at all.
check paz de la hater here
― this you irl http://i.imgur.com/v3kw8.gif (cozen), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
she could do a fair taena merryweather. looks of hookers to cast too. maybe one of the dornish.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
she should have played sansa
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
she could def be a dornish chick. let her be the red vipers girlfriend
biter
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
biter! i hardly know er
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
she could be a horse
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't remember that it was common knowledge at this time in the story that Littlefinger DID love Catelyn Stark! Iirc, you're kept in suspense for a while about whether he loved Catelyn or her sister, in their youths, and he claims at one point to have slept w both of them but you immediately disbelieve that of Catelyn so that just leaves Lysa...it's not early as clear as the show has made it.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, June 1, 2011 9:39 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
thats actually not unlikely - hbo execs are known for strongly 'encouraging' this kind of content - i wouldnt have thought it necessary with this source material, but there you go
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
I think you're misremembering - we knew from the start that he dueled Brandon Stark for Catelyn's hand, a fight he had no way of winning... that seems to make it clear who he really loved.
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah i'm pretty sure Catelyn goes into it in some detail
― Number None, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Damn. One thing I'm realizing as I watch/re-read these is that elements that were suspenseful/mysterious stuck with me far more than straightfoward ones. My gut feeling about how long certain things were in flux or were "unknowns" is totally off.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone think episode 6 was by far the worst so far? there were so, so many moments where i sat there saying to myself, "this is what's gonna happen next" (for instance: an arrow's gonna go through that guy any minute"), and then exactly that would happen. extended even to dialogue.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
[brit interloper content]: lol there's a guy called Jon Snow in this
The cast in this is great cos it provides the biggest game of "Wait, That's The Guy From" imaginable, like bearded Roger Allam and the handsome midget who dated Liz Lemon and the Arsenal fan with learning difficulties who gets killed halfway through Eastern Promises and Jerome fuckin Flynn
I like that since the first two minutes of the first episode, the only notable supernatural thing that's happened has been somebody picking up a hot egg without noticeable injury
― MPx4A, Friday, 3 June 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
fat guy from the tesco advert
― this you irl http://i.imgur.com/v3kw8.gif (cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Always raises a smirk. Next season they will hopefully introduce a powerful rival house lord named Huw Edwards.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 4 June 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Aw hell, my books came in today!
― VagemiteBoi (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Looking at a map of Westeros in my book's frontispiece, I'm vastly amused that there's a castle named Riverrun. Is it past Eve and Adam's?
― VagemiteBoi (Leee), Sunday, 5 June 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the lads in this was in hollyoaks i think...good career move for him.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Sunday, 5 June 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, June 1, 2011 10:44 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, June 1, 2011 10:44 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
took me a second to realize this wasn't a joke about Perry being married to Raggett
― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Sunday, 5 June 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm vastly amused that there's a castle named Riverrun. Is it past Eve and Adam's?
this was all i could think of too.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck not having HBO. :(
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 6 June 2011 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll see it soon enough but I really want to watch now. Hmpf.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 6 June 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
soooon.
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 June 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
all quiet?!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 June 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
stunned into silence by hodor's cock.
― ▼ Quick Navigation (☆), Monday, 6 June 2011 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
he was shockingly pale.
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 June 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Haven't seen it, we rescheduled for tonight instead!
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 6 June 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
how long is the wait for more? stuff had just started happening and now it's over.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Monday, 6 June 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
you don't mean the 1st season is over do you?!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 June 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
2 more episodes still to go.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 6 June 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
shitty cliffhanger imo. rest of the episode was good tho.
― Mordy, Monday, 6 June 2011 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
enh I think the ended it "quietly" just to set the stage for the madness to come
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 6 June 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the bravosi's fight was spot on; the show catches the tenor of the book v.well I think
― this you irl http://i.imgur.com/v3kw8.gif (cozen), Monday, 6 June 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i really hope he survived.
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 June 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
ah cool okay, two more eps, i had it in my mind that it was 8 eps this season.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Monday, 6 June 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
having not read the book yet, this is the first episode where I felt like they were making huge plot jumps. where did these bravosi people come from? what was up with the guy losing his fingers and being cool with it? stuff felt super condensed.
when will they kill that breastfeeding brat?
― akm, Monday, 6 June 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
like the way rob is stepping up to the plate.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Monday, 6 June 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i assumed the dude who lost his fingers is just supposed to be a bit of a lovable mental case. there's one in all these sort of shows/films. no doubt later on he'll behead someone and chuckle to himself. he's the gimli!
really hope he survived.
Unless they're being deliberately contrary, in pretty much all TV/film ever, if you leave a fight behind before seeing if the good guy dies, it means they didn't.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 6 June 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
that's what i was figuring.
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 June 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://oi55.tinypic.com/14ddelz.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/dFJ9T.gif
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 6 June 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
that was by far the best episode so far. they really put their foot on the gas.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i think its just getting better and better. loved the snappy pace.
― Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lme6ltvoHg1qzvjn8o1_500.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Is THAT Stannis?
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, another point where it seemed like things were overly condensed. i'm like, "little brother? what?"
― akm, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
have they even referred to Rickon by name on the show yet? he had the camera pan on him for like a second in the first episode and this is the first time he's appeared since then. kind of a fumble on their part, even if he doesnt do anything
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, having read the books it's kind of easy to take this stuff for granted. Rickon has probably baen mentioned once or twice, maybe even shown in passing in the first episode, but that raise eyebrows for sure. The thing with Lord Umber losing his fingers and then laughing about it--he is kind of a blustery tuff guy, also drunk, but he does respect displays of power to some degree, and while the wolf attack may not have been that intentionally it has a similar effect. xp
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the finger thing is similarly glossed over in the book, but as much as anything its sort of supposed to show what northmen are like, i.e., hard as fucc
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Bummed that Ser Barristan didnt strip all the way down to his long johns when they dismissed himfrom the kings guard like in the book
Also no way is that Rickon. He looks as old as Brann!
Tyrion's merry men SO otm. Shagga is aces.
Otherwise like the way they are moving the story along. Exciiiiting!
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i like any line in this show zinging theon (sigh) about being a prisoner.
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
This is so fucking gripping right now.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 07:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah am really mad to see more of it. a week is too long.
anyone else (who hasn't read the books) think those hill vikings getting involved in the battle will be what sparks ned's crazy sister in law to get involved too, since she doesn't want them ending up armed by the lannisters?
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link
those lannister nuclear warheads could really ruin the vale
"a lannister always nukes"
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 08:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i was thinking that the viking/barbarians would wind up leading a small chunk of the Lannister army to the Vale only to get killed in what i'm to understand is a very easily defensible chunk of land (probably assuming that the soldiers from the vale would be heading south aswell).
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
THIS POST IS ALL CONJECTURE
My wife hasn't read the books; her current theory re: the story runs as follows:
- The unsympathetic characters can't win, otherwise the books wouldn't be as popular.- The only sympathetic characters at the moment are the Starks and Daenerys, ergo one of them must win.- In order for the Starks to win, either Ned has to escape or he has to die so one of his children can avenge him.- Cersi can't be killed, at least not right away, or else Joffrey would be exposed and there would be no "game of thrones".
Her current theory is that Ned and all of the legitimate Stark children are going to die and Jon Snow is going to sweep through the Lannisters in revenge, ending up as the winner of the "game of thrones" who will have to deal with a returning Daenerys and her child.
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
and the deadthings.
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
zombies. let's face it - they're zombies.
She kind of forgot about them, lol.
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The unsympathetic characters can't win, otherwise the books wouldn't be as popular.
huh
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Her words, not mine! I was thinking of bringing up Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever as a counterexample except for that I can't think of anyone I know who read those books who actually liked them (lol)
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought those were awesome when i was thirteen
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
so did my R.E. teacher, for some reason
pretty strong intuiting by JMP imo
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I tried to read them around age 16, at the height of my miserable teen period, and my main reaction was "if I think the main character is this much of a whiny dick, how must he come across to people who are actually happy????"
I think SHE should write a book tbh
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Mr Veg tried to get me to read Thomas Covenant, I read the first book & declared "this guy's an asshole & you cant make me read any more of these." Too rapey and just, no.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
mrs Dan needs a book deal stat
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotta have a Jon/Arya bamf team-up!
More seriously, I'm wondering about the possibility of a Winterfell/Klingon alliance...
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Thursday, 9 June 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
also I think the Lannisters are cylons
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 June 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
also Tyrion is a munckin from Oz secretly trying to get back home, and Littlefinger is really a politician from Baltimore
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 June 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
so, episode 8 fekkin rips! my favorite yet by far. have settled into loving the characters i love (arya and her "dance instructor", tyrion, jon snow and sam, catelyn, lord varys, bran), tolerating the rest. am warming to daenerys due to increased kick-assed-ness, though she's still dull as dirt.
best moment: the long, slow upward pan after sam's "i hope the wall's high enough..."
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that part was killer.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link
am warming to daenerys due to increased kick-assed-ness, though she's still dull as dirt.
Amazing looking woman also. And Drogo is just supremely badass.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, 9 June 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I am still trying to figure out why a post containing the conjecture of someone who hasn't read any of the books warranted a reposting of the spoiler rules
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
God her hair is like quilt batting and she's all fake-tan now -- hate this casting, hate her, hate.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Love her
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, idgi either. Way to ruin this thread by posting completely wild ass guesses about where the plot may go. If thats now considered a spoiler, can we go back and delete all the posts about "I can't wait to see (X) show up"?
But on a lolzier note:
http://i.imgur.com/IYe0f.jpg
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
this is a spoiler in a vague general way: danerys has plenty of badass still to attain and her procession from scared catatonic incestuous rape victim to actual powerful autonomous queen (in a story whose other queen is a sociopath) is rad and you guys should cut her some slack cuz she's had a hard life. for example, the guy who introduced me to these books called her a slut :(
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't dislike the character ONE SINGLE BIT. Just the casting choice.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post - LOL YEAH!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah she's a bit of a drip. hopefully she is just hard-pedaling the character's early drippiness. i like her lips!
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
She is so hot
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp And now I'm angry at that guy!
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
That could have pertained to what DHL said too but I actually meant it for The Dink ad.
DLH your friend sounds like a winner.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Her lips make up for the awful awful hair.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
THE HAIR IS SO BAD
xxp he was 17 so we should probably cut him some slack too although not as much as we cut dany
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
hmpf maybe
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
her assistant is hotter...
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Well at least at 17 he still has time to grow up into someone way more awesome than he is now. He should get started on that, imo.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i object less to the character than the actress. emelia clarke is gorgeous, but the daenerys remains a complete cypher due to the fact that the actress is practically a walking mannikin. i gathered that D was scarred and near-catatonic in the beginning, but it's not like great depths have opened in clarke's performance as the character has blossomed. love the idea of daenerys and can see as how she'd be a great character if portrayed in a more interesting fashion, but so far, she's just a face & body.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
and some quilt batting
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, dunno about that; Daenerys in this last episode vs Daenerys in the first episode are for all intents and purposes radically different ppl
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Honestly all the women cast so far bore me except Cat Stark. The others are all coded for "attractiveness" in way that substitutes thousand-yard stares and blow-job mouths for acting.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know because I don't find Cersei to be attractive at all.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post You really think so? I don't know - that seems a little harsh. I don't think she's awful, I'm just offended by the horrid dye job.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Cersei is scary looking.
that gif of cersei upthread ruined any potential attraction
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't find Cersei attractive either, but she's clearly MEANT to be "attractive", her face and body follow all the rules. Not that Catelyn's don't, but she's the only one who I believe as a character.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Daenerys in this last episode vs Daenerys in the first episode are for all intents and purposes radically different ppl
oh hell yeah, the character's progressed enormously. my point was that the actress isn't really doing anything to illuminate this. she's just louder, more furrowed, less slack. it's a terribly dull performance.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
cersei is... brittle, which is probably right.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
C'mon guys, she ate a horse heart
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Cat/Daeny vs Cersei/Lysa is kind of an interesting contrast
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i think both arya and (harder!) sansa are doing good jobs, although they're 12 or whatever so maybe they're not what we're talking about here.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
The most convincing part of her eating a horse heart was when she almost vomited and then choked it back down in her determination to complete the ritual. During which, her face was completely hidden from view, and iirc for part of the scene the camera wasn't even ON her, it was on her brother's reaction, and you could hear her gagging and coughing but that was all. And I found the scene way more affecting when she wasn't visually IN it.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I def agree that Cat is great. Yeah, I also think the girls are both doing very good jobs.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Sansa is kind of blowing me away, in the books she's a totally unrelatable non-entity harpy at this point and it's really a credit to the actress that she is portraying starry-eyed teen with such surprising amounts of empathy
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i can't remember how the horse heart scene was framed in the book -- can't have been quite the same, since all the dany chapters are from dany's POV -- but i thought it was super good at fixing the moment viserys feels a loss of control at the moment dany doesn't puke.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to Dan: Agreed re Sansa! They've softened her way up for the show, I hated her for ages as a reader. I wonder if that will affect how they treat what's up ahead for her, too....
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the total opposite tbh. In the books you at least know what she's thinking so you can relate a bit. Here she just comes off as whiny
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
She was always whiny.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
haha I remember in the books thinking she had to be a bastard child seeing as how completely unlike any of the other Stark children she was; the show iteration still keeps the naive self-involvement but there is also Stark steel in there as well
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
In the books Sansa is 11, so her childish, selfish behavior make sense. The aged-up Sansa has been one of the worst parts of the show to me.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
also the show plays up a connection between Ned and Sansa that I missed in the book (largely due to hoping Sansa would die every time she popped up), namely the infatuation with honor
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Sansa has the worst Brit student accent
― MPx4A, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i think lena heady is kind of great as cersei. she's a straight-up villain, but her human motivations are clearly apparent. we saw the lingering traces of tender affection she bore for her late husband even through the years of betrayal and contempt that hardened her heart against him. we see the cruelty of her manipulations, but also the anxious familial devotion that drives them. i like that, the way she portrays the struggle between cersei's more humane impulses and the ruthless ambition that ultimately overwhelms them.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
They've aged up a few people and sidestepped a HUGE amount of sexual/sexualized violence and barbarism. That scene where Danaerys saves the captured women, you see a corpse being dropped into a pile of corpses? That's supposed to be a pile of women who have already been RAPED TO DEATH. And so on.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean they aged up Danerys, too, she's supposed to be...fourteen? That would be JUST TOO SHOCKING, I guess, although having two whores finger each other on camera apparently...isn't?
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
episode 8 was the first time i cared for sansa. not just because she stood up for her father, but because we saw and could empathize with her confusion in her situation. she's previously been portrayed simply and lazily as a "brat".
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
cersei is portrayed well imo. i've not read the books but she has a good range of manipulation. the scenes with her and sansa she does this kind of big sister thing, it's quite creepy.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp: well in fairness, that's what whores do
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
arya being all cool and swashbuckling like the male starks makes her "fit" the family more than her sister but yeah i think the thing to remember is that from her parents' pov arya is a weird and even slightly alarming anomaly and sansa is the girl who's been successfully brought up to be a princess.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
sort of unsurprising that the sexual initiation and rape of a 14-year-old girl might be more shocking than two (presumably adult) prostitutes getting it on...
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I was going to say...
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
That scene where Danaerys saves the captured women, you see a corpse being dropped into a pile of corpses? That's supposed to be a pile of women who have already been RAPED TO DEATH. And so on.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, June 9, 2011 1:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, i was surprised by how daintily this scene was presented, given its obvious subject: the gang rape of a village's women. you could hardly tell what was going on. show is usually much more brazen abt such stuff.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
No I know that was just my momentary annoyance at the show defanging the things that are actually supposed to be shocking/show real depravity/create contrast to other or later scenes and people.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp
/cersei is... brittle, which is probably right./i think lena heady is kind of great as cersei. she's a straight-up villain, but her human motivations are clearly apparent. we saw the lingering traces of tender affection she bore for her late husband even through the years of betrayal and contempt that hardened her heart against him. we see the cruelty of her manipulations, but also the anxious familial devotion that drives them. i like that, the way she portrays the struggle between cersei's more humane impulses and the ruthless ambition that ultimately overwhelms them.
I agree! can't wait to see how she does upcoming cersei
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really have a problem with them dropping explicit explanations of things like the pile of raped women because (A) i thought they were often kind of callow and leering in the books and (B) the SAVAGE NOMADIC HORSE LORDS are taking settled women as prisoners, what do you think's happening to them
that said if there is ever a brutal extended rape scene i just hope someone talks exposition continuously over the top of it
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i didn't need to see extended barbarian raep scenes, but it looked more like herding sheep. odd decision, when the point could easily have been made cinematically w/out wallowing in it.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
in general, though, less rapey is better...
My wife knew exactly what they were doing to those women without having it spelled out. She found it pretty noxious as presented.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not looking for it to be more horrifying, was just expressing irritation with the whole "violence violence, that's totes fine, let's rip out some tongues on camera, guys!" but, like, Sansa and Danaerys have to be aged up and have the sexualized parts of their stories softened/erased because the pretty-much-historical truth of marrying off 14-yr-old girls and what happens to them afterward is too difficult to make titillating.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
too difficult?
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
fair point. can see why they'd shirk away from it tho.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not stopping me from enjoying the show or anything. Obv.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with you (Laurel). Also find the gratuitous nudity and violence to be kind of distracting and unnecessary in general. Almost wishing AMC would have made this show in a way. Gotta love HBO's budget, though.
xxxp's
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
was just expressing irritation with the whole "violence violence, that's totes fine, let's rip out some tongues on camera, guys!" but, like, Sansa and Danaerys have to be aged up and have the sexualized parts of their stories softened/erased
oh yeah no argument here, welcome to america
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the tongue ripping was totally o_O
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol as I saw someone say on a comment thread recently, "How do you like America? Have you been here long?"
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I think one of the lines this show has been walking (and is not the first to walk it -- we're rewatching the Sopranos recently and it has similar issues) is that on one hand there's this heavy theme of the consequences of noble politics. so you've got the butcher's son being killed, or the woman being raped/killed as consequence of war ("this is what war is") or the other casualties that come about because of the machinations of these nobles. at the same time, tho, there's this very real risk of aestheticizing in a pleasurable way these things we're supposed to find repulsive. in the Sopranos that's getting all hyped up and excited whenever the show shows violence. I think that show handled it by trying to implicate us in our own enjoyment (generally thru these proxy witness figures of Carmella, or Melfi), but it's less convincing when Daeny is horrified partially bc of what ppl are noting (that the full horror is not brought home) but also bc she seems to get it both ways. She gets to stop the horrifying stuff and still become the agent of those actions. I kept waiting for Drogo to put his foot down here, that it's impossible to keep an army running if you undermine their traditions of militancy (OT a little but very interesting article recently about how rape in war creates kinship bonds between soldiers -- http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/is-rape-inevitable-in-war/239480/). I'm not particularly upset about this, bc really who wants to see that much gritty realism in a television program? But I think the Sopranos, which is atm a superior show (tho who knows where GoT will end up in a season or two) didn't shy away from those uncomfortable elements.
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure I've fully thought this out, but just some ideas...
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh if you're waiting for Drogo to put his foot down, you've misread the Drogo/Daenerys relationship
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Sansa and Danaerys have to be aged up and have the sexualized parts of their stories softened/erased because the pretty-much-historical truth of marrying off 14-yr-old girls and what happens to them afterward is too difficult to make titillating.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, June 9, 2011 1:23 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
well, it wouldn't be difficult to much such stuff titillating, though. it's just that we're extremely uncomfortable w/ that kind of titillation. tbh, given the initial comments itt about the rapeyness of the books, i'm kind of glad that the show has soft-pedaled this aspect.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
"...it wouldn't be difficult to make such stuff titillating..."
Like are Littlefoot's two lesbians comparable to the strippers at the Bada Bing Club? The former seemed designed to titillate the audience and only failed to do so bc of how obvious that attempt was. Compare to the exchange between Ralphie and the stripper in Sopranos where the conditions of violence + depravity they live in practically made it impossible to ever enjoy watching them dance. xp
Maybe not put his foot down but would he really destroy his kingdom bc she asked him too?
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
You should imagine my whole last line in the driest tone possible, fyi. Yeah, I don't want to see an HBO-icized 14yo Daenerys get raped in public in front of the entire Dothraki population either, or any number of other horrifying things that are going to happen later in their full appallingness. I think our discomfort at that kind of scene is the GOOD and right thing. I do wonder a bit if it will start to undermine later elements, though.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
the significance of the "he can dominate everyone, if you dominate him it will drive him wild" conversation seems to have been undersold
basically Daenerys is an embodiment of the "magic punani" trope
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
um, i hope that wasn't spoilerz? sadface. xp
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
No, that was already supposed to have happened but the show took it out!
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
what exactly happened in the books + when?
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
on one hand there's this heavy theme of the consequences of noble politics. so you've got the butcher's son being killed, or the woman being raped/killed as consequence of war ("this is what war is") or the other casualties that come about because of the machinations of these nobles. at the same time, tho, there's this very real risk of aestheticizing in a pleasurable way these things we're supposed to find repulsive.
i think that in stories like this, we expect demonstrations of outrage at the human consequences of noble politics, but that such demonstrations are often mere pretense, social pleasantries adopted to disguise the fact that we enjoy the carnage, the spectacle and cruelty of power. we wouldn't build so many of our stories around ruthless rulers if we didn't find something fundamentally exciting about them.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh if you're waiting for Drogo to put his foot down, you've misread the Drogo/Daenerys relationship― DJP"Maybe not put his foot down but would he really destroy his kingdom bc she asked him too?"the significance of the "he can dominate everyone, if you dominate him it will drive him wild" conversation seems to have been undersold― DJP
― DJP
"Maybe not put his foot down but would he really destroy his kingdom bc she asked him too?"
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
stuff that should have already happened
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Mordy, maybe I made that up/transplanted it from another book??? I'm not finding references to it online now and I haven't read Bk 1 in a long time, but I thought that at some point Drogo had to um well that it had to be in public under the stars, in the manner of the horses that are the Dothraki lifesblood. It DID happen, didn't it??
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
he's whipped. that's all they're saying. xposts
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
jeez, I thought ppl were antsy about spoilers on the Doctor Who thread
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
we wouldn't build so many of our stories around ruthless rulers if we didn't find something fundamentally exciting about them.
I actually stopped reading the books because there wasn't anyone in them that I really found admirable, except maybe Arya. (I don't know why I don't find the Night's Watch compelling, but I don't.) Having actual human beings in the roles makes it easier.
― lukas, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
If I hadn't read the books I don't know that I would like people to be correcting me, or telling me what actually happened, every time I tried to discuss the show. More fun to discuss when everyone has the same data.
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
So yeah I guess we need two threads for this now? One for those who've read the books and one for those who haven't?
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
not having read the books tho, i have no problem being brought up to speed on things the series might have omitted.xpost
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
my comment was based entirely on what was presented on the show
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean seriously, what has this board come to if I can't use several cryptic posts to set up a "magic punani" joke
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Going back to the show ... did anyone else hate the scene with Jon Snow and the undead wight? Didn't work for me.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
well it didn't bother me...
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought it was OK. What didn't you like about it?
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Laurel - I'm re-reading them now and the Dany & Drogo thing your thinking of is when she decides to ride him instead of being mounted. She takes him out to some soft moss in the middle of camp and they go at it.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't like how the wight looked and moved at all. It felt like a z-budget horror scene. Like something out of a Mark Borchardt production.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
had no problem with the zombie scene
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lol. just wanted to make sure you wasn't giving the game away.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
the wight being such a fat football hooligan made it less scary
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Hm, thanks. I thought that scene was the analog to/sign of her adaptation to her status in contrast to an earlier scene in which he was um the agressor and it was against her will. Must have confused it w another book in the intervening years, tho.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
daeny was clearly raped on the evening of her wedding, right? is that what you're talking about? didn't seem to happen in front of anybody though, at least not on the show.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
That might have been part of the problem. He certainly didn't look like a ranger. Was he supposed to be?
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, June 9, 2011 4:47 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
in the books, during the scene where danaerys introduces drogo to non-doggystyle sex, she drags him out into the middle of the camp. its a power display on the part of danaerys, and not rape (unless were talking a complicated definition of rape)
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
the wedding night sex, in the books, isnt rape either--he like... strokes her? all over? and then (barf) "slips a finger inside her" or something, and she is hrm "very wet" or something
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its "to HBO's credit" that they have drogo rape her rather than pretend that he was able to seduce her somehow and that it makes it okay
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
It is what you think, laurel. It is the first time she asserts herself and takes command of her situation. Unlike other Dothraki wives, she is not a mare; she has power and will change things.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry - couldn't see xposts on the phone.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
No no there must have been this other book that we published that I picked up which also had a horse tribe of warlike people and their king took a wife from another society and their marriage had to be consummated out in the open in "horse" fashion in front of his entire assembled army or w/e and I must have conflated the two. I heartily apologize for this whole digression!!!!!
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the wedding night sex, in the books, isnt rape either--he like... strokes her? all over? and then (barf)...
yes, barf. in the TV show, though the scene cut early on, it seemed non-consensual. she was weeping, forced down (iirc?), etc.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
not barf at sex or even at the idea that she might have been attracted to drogo, but barf at lousy descriptions of sex in pulp novels
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
no
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
no?
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
new
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
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― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ned stark is gonna be furious when khal drogo brings the rest of alien ant farm to his iron maiden revival gig
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
khal drogo's playing conan in shitty-looking new conan movie
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
If the fight scene in this episode is any indication, I may have to watch the Conan film.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Not afraid of being typecast then
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
better to get stuck playing one kind of character than risk not playing any
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, casting OTM, can't imagine anyone better-suited to the part. maybe it'll be better than the previews...
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah fair play to him. If i had his brooding good looks and washboard abs i'm sure i'd be doing the same
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
here's a pretty good (spoiler-free) article that argues that changes to catelyn and dany's character arcs have made them less interesting:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/05/10/game-of-thrones-feminism/
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
She took his hand and moved it down [CENSORED CENSORED NAUGHTY BUSINESS CENSORED]. “Yes,” she whispered as she put [CENSORED CENSORED GEORGE SHE'S THIRTEEN WHAT THE HELL CENSORED CENSORED].
...
The damsel in distress has been a stock character in melodrama for as long as melodrama has been around. So has the long-suffering wife who pines for her husband while he’s off grimly doing what needs to be done in the public sphere. There are elements of these stock characters in Daenerys Targaryen and Catelyn Stark. (Dany even took a couple of levels in the “white woman sexually menaced by a swarthy ethnic type” prestige class.) But in the books, this is not all there is to them, not even the main part of what there is to them, and in the series, at least in the pilot episode, it’s all that they are. Why this flattening? Well, both of these stock characters are women who have been damaged by a patriarchal system. This is an aspect of Cat and Dany’s stories, so that’s fine. But in the book, they are also a part of the same system that is grinding them down. They’ve got a role to play in that system, and each of them accepts, excels at, and even to a degree relishes that role. And this is too much complexity for a TV show to stomach, even an aitch-bee-oh TV show. It’s like the writers are afraid that if Daenerys enjoys the sex, the audience will forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing. Or perhaps they’re afraid that the audience will think the writers have forgotten it. Whatever the motivation, the televised version of these characters is sadly diminished.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
even an aitch-bee-oh TV show
Does HBO even trademark their network name to some crazy extent? Or is this just something that belongs in the IA thread? I hate when people do this for no other reason than to be "clever" or "funny".
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, like scare quotes
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, that was unnecessarily catty. but i did like the article (sort of) and didn't object to the silly spelling
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
um, not really equal imho. overuse of scare quotes is, but I think that was a pretty valid use of them.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Wasn't dismissing the article as a whole, I just find it hard to take people seriously when they take the time to type something out like that when it really serves little purpose.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
its a blog post... who cares...
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
So sensitive. You guys act like I'm the first poster ever on ilx to point out something annoying.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i just love parity
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
and in the series, at least in the pilot episode
not to rush to judgments or anything
― Gukbe, Friday, 10 June 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
It’s like the writers are afraid that if Daenerys enjoys the sex, the audience will forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing.
Well, considering the current relationship status between Dany and Drogo, we're still at a point where we might "forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing."
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, I hope that the poster who complained about my speculation was just being a hyper-sensitive spoilerphobe (which I consider myself to be one, incidentally) and not someone who read the book and took my speculation as, you know, a spoiler.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Btw, I started reading the book, and damn aitch-bee-oh changed a whole lot. For instance, in the book, Bran only caught Jaime and Cersei wrestling!
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Wasn't the assumption that he was too young to understand what they were doing?
― Gukbe, Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
or are you joking and I'm looking pretty stupid?
The second one. ^_^
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
this is on tonight?
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah
― Number None, Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
just a lil nude wrestling between siblings, lets be cool
― ☂ (max), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Welcome to TNA Monday Night Incest Wrestling!
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
VG, did I ever tell you that I like the way you think?
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I think you just did :)
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
did everybody else know that was going to happen but me? like...whut?
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
My wife smacked me when it happened, "what the fuck? How could they? ARRGH". In other words, no. :)
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
but he's on the poster! THE POSTER!
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked the dude, but in retrospect, i guess he was pretty shit at the Game of Thrones.
Pretty much what my wife was getting at!
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Holding that secret has been killing me
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Me too!!
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
me too!
sigh
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm glad I haven't read the books, and I think I'll give up on reading them. However, I was so sure something was going to turn up to save Ned (a Raven informing them of Jamie's capture was my bet) that I didn't really appreciate the death. I liked the silence as he looked over the crowd though.
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i think the reason its so effective is because it keeps reminding you of ned's plot armor - and then kills him anyway
http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/1982565/date/ZeNDZmVEbWFxbuTtbmZ
skip to about 9:00
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Monday, 13 June 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man. I knew what was coming and I *still* bawled.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 June 2011 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
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lol now holding the OTHER secrets is killing me
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
shh
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
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haha this is how i felt when i read the book
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL!
― schwantz, Monday, 13 June 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
ahahaha
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
is this other secret going to be revealed next week?
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
... depends on the secret
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
(to max's post)
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
there are roughly 1m more secrets coming
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
the interviews with Sean Bean after the airing of this episode are pretty interesting
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, seems like a lot of internet folks are pretty pissed at the ending of this episode
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
omg TamTam that video
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
people who haven't read the book? or?
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I've seen comments along the lines of "what's the point in even watching if your favourite characters are just gonna get killed all the time"
My wife is still pissed about it. She sent me an email over lunch that just read "I still can't belive they killed him!".
"what's the point in even watching if your favourite characters are just gonna get killed all the time"
Not fans of The Wire either, eh?
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
that is precisely the point of watching!
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
But, tbh, if Ned Stark was your favorite character, well, you're watching wrong.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
If Arya and Tyrion aren't your favorite characters you're a horrible person.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
like once I realized that offing characters was like "a thing" it made the books even more addictive imo
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
It's weird. He's a lot more beloved than i thought.
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
he's a dude
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sure they'll get over it after next week's tho
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I dig the idea of Ned's character, but in reality he's pretty damn boring. You don't have to agree with a character's motivations to find them completely engaging.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
eh i dont really blame them, sean bean is the biggest or second-biggest name in the cast by a very long shot, plus he was the focus of the marketing campaign--if i was watching the show w/out having read the books id be telling myself "no way theyre going to kill off sean bean, itd be like killing off tony soprano/steve buscemi in that other show/jimmy mcnulty"
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
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otm, the end of book 1 is effing nuts, the season finale will be so sick, really hoping they use imogen heaps "hide and seek"
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The marketing campaign etc was very well played i think
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
really hoping they use imogen heaps "hide and seek"
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah seems like casting Bean as Eddard was super canny---get viewers in the door with a big name actor who's not likely to commit to years of television and hook them on the rest
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
btw is tyrions accent getting worse as the show progresses or is it just me
can I just say again that Joffrey is a shit?
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Hopefully the money they save on Bean's salary can be spent on some BATTLES. my only minor complaint about this episode.
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
they cast Joffrey perfectly, I just want to strangle the little shit every time he's onscreen
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
they pretty neatly dodged having to depict anything, didn't they
I sorta don't care about the battles---I'm in it for the ~machinations~
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I lolled pretty hardcore when Tyrion got trampled by his own men
xxp: the kids on this show are uniformly amazing
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
er or rather xp
Nah i know it was done well but i do hope there's a bit more of an epic feel going forward
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
btw where's the thread where we can talk about the books? I'm on iPhone and can't search for it
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
we could revive this
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Hopefully the money they save on Bean's salary can be spent on some BATTLES.
I keep imagining the score being replaced with Mirrored and Gloss Drop
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the thought did occur to me
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
this is where we've been talking 'bout the books:
Anticipating A Feast For Crows by George R. R. Martin (Nov. 9)
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Dug the scene between Catelyn and Robb about marrying one of Lord Frey's daughters. Possibly her most likeable moment - "One was..."
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
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iirc martin only really depicts two battles in the books
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Doesn't Tyrion actually fight for a bit before getting knocked out in the book though? I'd just like it if the scope of these things was conveyed a little more. I understand that's difficult to do.
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah tbf this is one of the battles that he DOES depict, i was just thinking that martin doesnt dwell overlong on big army battles. he likes fights though.
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Having the POV character miss the battle was much cleverer storytelling than staging a cheapo battle would've been IMO.
Also Jon Snow.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I felt they could have shown some kind of skirmish in the woods before Jamie's capture. That seemed to be done a little abruptly.
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I didn't really get how that came to be.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i was wondering that too. if the Lannisters thought they were going to battle why was Jamie milling about somewhere away from the thousands of soldiers etc?!
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
They were off to besiege Riverrun, Catelyn's dad's place
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
oh! i missed that somehow.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think it was very clearly explained.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't even remember if it was explained tbh
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
May have been a throwaway line in the previous ep that that was what he was off to do.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i think that's the case?
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
also man that executioner's sword was lol hueg
they talk about it the previous ep when tyrion brings bronn & co. to his dad
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i was waiting for those two when they were chilling with the whore to start playing truth or dare. that scene was pretty dull until they got to the story about Tyrion being married.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
explains alot.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
was supposed to be Stark's own sword, "Ice", which they just left out of the show for whatever reason.
― rockapads, Monday, 13 June 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Some of the madness i was referring to earlierhttp://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/13/game-of-thrones-reaction/
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
haha I read that
part of me feels like ppl don't understand entertainment
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
They also left out one particular detail from Tyrion's story, but now I'm wondering if that was revealed at another point in the books.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
people that write about tv for a living make me sad.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
neddy!
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Monday, 13 June 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
man, spoilers for this seem impossible to avoid today. feel sorry for people who don't have HBO. :(
― rockapads, Monday, 13 June 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Feel really sorry for the Brits, whom I think are watching it right now (or just finished it). Twitter was especially bad.
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i managed to avoid...clicked on this thread instinctively just before watching it then closed it down while looking away from the screen, close shave.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Monday, 13 June 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
had a nagging suspicion ned hadnt been made to look anything but p lame and worthy for a long while, but still - whoa
― r|t|c, Monday, 13 June 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
altho plenty of shows have had a colourful cast revovling around a boring centre so maybe i'm just bullshitting
havent read the books but havent had any problems understanding what's going on until this episode when i couldnt remember who "stannis" was? am i being dumb?
― r|t|c, Monday, 13 June 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
(i don't wanna google him in case i get bookspoilered :/)
― r|t|c, Monday, 13 June 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
No, you aren't. Put it this way, each of the books ends with an appendix that lists all the major houses, characters, and relations. Its a lot to keep track of.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i assume cersei's ruthlessness is about to be tested.
agree with whoever said joffrey is a little shit, obviously. hope he gets a chopping soon enough, the milky bar king.
when i hear "lannisters" i keep thinking it would be a good name for a family hotel in fyfe. also the theme music is really funny, it would be good to make up lyrics up for which included the words "game of thrones" repeatedly as the last three notes of the repeated motif.
sorry i have few serious points to make, the show is great.
x-post stannis has barely been in it, he is the mystery man. few weeks ago we all wondered who he was too. think if you search for stannis itt some kind foul has described the ex croatian midfield man
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Monday, 13 June 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
some kind soul...not foul
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Monday, 13 June 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Stannis is Robert Baratheon's brother; he's the middle sibling. Renly is the youngest brother, the dude who offered his swords to Ned to march on Cersei, then got the fuck out of Dodge when Ned turned him down; Renly is more charismatic and well-liked in the books so he thinks he should be king over his dour older brother Stannis. Ned thought that since all of Robert's supposed children were actually Jamie's, the line should pass to Stannis.
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
right and why's stannis so mysterious? does he just do his own thing like the crazy breastfeeding lady
dunno when i missed all this info, i'm usually ok with this stuff
― r|t|c, Monday, 13 June 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
actually since i mentioned stuff revolving around boring centres (ned) i must admit i did kinda feel a pang of worry that without his noble anchoring role this show would go a bit ott spartacus
i mean i do love spartacus but this isnt that
― r|t|c, Monday, 13 June 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Basically Stannis is off running shit elsewhere in the kingdom.
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
stannis used to hang in kings landing always in a bad mood, but peaced out to his castle, which is on an island, when he realized that joffrey isnt roberts kid and hasnt been back or really talked to anyone. so everyone assumes that hes assembling some kind of army or whatever, but no one really knows.
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owf6D2vfZqM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
that was all done pretty well i thought. series is ending strong. only most of a year to wait until the next one.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
X post Just noticed that was already linked. Sorry.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Stannis is this awesome cross between whiny crybaby and battlehardened soldier. The fact that he lives on an island seems to be convenient for both Stannis, who hates pretty much everyone in the world, and everyone in the world, who think Stannis is a dick.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf nedddddd! and almost-horse-zombie khal drogo!and aaagh war!this show...
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
it's gonna give me nightmares tbh
horses do not fare at all well in this series
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I sorta don't care about the battles---I'm in it for the ~machinations~― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, June 13, 2011 3:18 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
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i kinda agree - i dont need riproaring battles. at the same time, there's a lot more tactical and strategic detail to them in the books and i think it would've been cool if they preserved more of that instead of boiling it down to 'we tricked tywin and caught jaime' - i think that stuff is cool as heck and should've been in there, because its as much a part of the machinations as anything.
for show-watchers who are confused, here's a detailed thing about how everything went down (spoiler-free) that i swiped from another board:
Tywin is in a shitty position as he has the neck to the north of him and Robb's army in between him and the Westerlands. I expect they'll explore this in the next episode. Though in regards to the tribesmen, to put it in perspective there's only about 400 (or was it 200) or so tribesmen in total. They weren't the van, they were just put in the van. They're really much too small otherwise.
So anyway, re: the war, in the novels, up to this stage without any spoilers:
Jaime Lannister lead an army (15,000 in book, 30,000 in show) to attack the Riverlands whilst Tywin lead a second army (over 20,000 in book, 30,000 in show) north against Robb's host.
Jaime scored several quick and easy victories against the Tully armies and essentially forced them back into Riverrun, the Tully stronghold, and laid siege to them.
Robb has to make a choice about going south to face Tywin or crossing the Green fork to face Jaime. He eventually decided to split his force, with the bulk of the army on foot (some 16,000 in the book) going south as loudly and publicly as possible to face Tywin's host, whilst he himself lead like 4,000 horse (Catelyn noted that Robb, like his father, always lead the most dangerous and crucial bit by himself) or something to cross at the Freys (where they were joined by several thousand Frey horse and infantry) and use their strategic speed and surprise to ride on Jaime.
The foot army attempted to steal a night attack upon Tywin's host but were alerted of. In the morning the two sides had a pitched battle besides the Green Fork river (and this was known as the Battle of the Green Fork) Tywin had Gregor "The Mountain" lead the left flank as the van, right besides the river. It was later revealed he intentionally placed the weakest elements - free riders, mercenaries, squires, mounted field hands and Tyrion's tribesmen, under the command of an unthinking savage, in the Van on the left so that they would be defeated, and that Robb, who Tywin thought would be brave and eager and not cautious enough, would commit to the hole in Tywin's line, at which point the rest of Tywin's army would wheel and trap and crush Robb's army against the river. The Stark army proved too cunning however and retreated before that could happen, suffering a considerable defeat but maintaining the bulk of their strength. It was also established here that Tyrion was actually quite a decent fighter, and he killed several enemies as well as defeating a northern knight.
Here Tywin realizes that they've been fooled, as Robb had used this time to steal a march upon Jaime. Robb's cavalry attacked in the night from multiple sides in small raids on Jaime's camp, designed to draw Jaime who was brash into pursuing them into the woods. Jaime did so with about a third of his army and Robb ambushed him from the woods. Seeing the battle was about to be lost and being metal as hell Jaime Lannister lead a charge against Robb himself and attempted to end the battle right then and there, and he killed a handful of Robb's retinue (all sons and young nobles of his bannermen) before he was captured. And this was known as the Battle of the Whispering Woods.
So as it stands at this point in the books, there's still a Lannister army at Riverrun but they have no commander and their encirclement has been broken. Tywin is trapped between a still considerable Northern army to his north and Robb's army to his east cutting him off between him and the Westerlands.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
That sounds cool enough to make me want to pick up the book again.
It reminded me of the Battle of Pharsalus in Rome, where they basically showed a banner hitting the mud and then Pompey explained what happened to Kevin McKidd. They did give us a pretty full-on battle for Philippi in the second season, but they also cut the episode order from 12 to 10, which was fairly unheard of for HBO in those days and I always assumed it was so they could afford to do that battle.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno...I like a good battle scene. I don't require it, but for a medieval-y drama, it'd be nice to have a couple of barnburners.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Am I watching wrong if I was half-expecting Arya to make it onto the stage thing to run "King" Joffrey through w/ Needle??????????????
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, by "half-expecting," I meant "wishing with all my heart, and money."
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 05:43 (thirteen years ago) link
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. THIS SHOW.
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
What I'm saying is, I could use a vaguely Eastern European courtesan right now to play drinking games with me.
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Stupid Ned meme:http://winteriscomingbitch.tumblr.com/tagged/stupid+ned
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
oh! i missed that somehow.― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 21:01 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't think it was very clearly explained.― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 13 June 2011 21:01 (Yesterday) Bookmark
There's a lot of that happening. I'm finding that as long as I can follow the bigger arcs/themes, the details sprinkled throughout (Rickon, say) will become clearer when the story needs them. (Except for stuff like Stannis, where I've spent a couple of episodes going "wait, who's that again? Why do they keep talking about this dude?").
Whatever happened to the other Stark brother who was hanging with the Night Watch guys - was it Benjen? Is he gone for good?
― She Got the Shakes, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
benjen's disappeared, as far as anyone knows
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 10:36 (thirteen years ago) link
http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b247126_game_of_thrones_sean_bean_stabbed_in.html
― Number None, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Despite his wounds, Bean refused any medical attention and opted not to go to a hospital.Instead, the actor accepted a first aid kit from the bar staff, then ordered another drink.
Instead, the actor accepted a first aid kit from the bar staff, then ordered another drink.
almost too badass sounding to be true!
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
That's awesome, I even know the pub.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Surely this man is our king
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
episode 9 was dece, first time i've thought emilia c. was other than boring. didn't miss the battle action, either, as it left more time for dinklage (whose accent is, yes, a bit shaky) and other character threads. ol ned's death was a bit anticlimactic tho...
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno what the "either" is doing in that second sentence
ol ned's death was a bit anticlimactic tho...
Really?
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it just didn't hit me. good story move tho.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I was like "they aren't gonna ... WHOA!"
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
probably would have worked better if i didn't know it was coming. what i get for watching late and reading ahead.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Dinklage ends up sounding kinda posh Scottish Richard Wilson-y a lot of the time
reminds me a bit of Aragorn's weird gaelic sounding grab-bag of vowel sounds at the start of LOTR before he got all shouty and regal
He does OK, it's not like he's a Natalie Portman-level offender or anyt'n
― MPx4A, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm completely willing to compromise with the accent for the sake of the facial expressions.
― my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah, me too. he's the best thing about the show.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
he gives excellent quizzical frown
― MPx4A, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I love his performance and am willing to explain away his weird vowels by saying he's not trying to do an English accent, but a Westeros accent.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Too bad no one else is trying to do a Westeros accent, then.
I've changed my mind; why bother with depressing drinking games when I could innocently wrestle my East European courtesan?
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2457/gotxls.png
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I realize a count of unique prostitute/slave nipples per episode would probably have been more insightful than the magic/zombies count, but I had to go with what I could recall with help from the wikipedia summaries. what's important to note is that while the increasing body count for speaking roles is obvious to everyone, nobody seems to notice that before too long we are going to have almost 100% of the show taking place inside of some kind of tent.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
ahaha
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
haha tom did you make that!! you are so talented
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
blog it
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Are we just talking about what we actually saw? Because like a few thousand dudes died in ep 8.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I was only counting people who had lines
I'm now not only watching for dinklage awesome but also to find out how the eunuch's game plays out with carcetti's game - the great thing is, thanks to the limited POV and exposition, it's hard to tell which parts of what they talk about wanting to do are more game, and which parts are sincere. Clearly both have plenty to gain by destabilizing the state, but how much, and who do they actually favor? Obv nobody was going to favor Ned or the Starks, fundamentalist patriots have no place in a libertarian utopia.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Ned AND the Starks, I guess, all thumbs tonight
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
oh and somehow I forgot the squire-made-knight dude who got his neck split open in the first joust with the Mountain, now I remember he spoke with Ned's guard captain before the tourney
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Tom that is my favorite graph of all time
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
nice plot! of course, being familiar w/ matlab i immediately noticed the the xaxis labels weren't corresponding to the correct episodes.
― Bastards of Young Dro, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
is the "people out camping" number for episode 8 (episode 7 in the graph) deliberately odd because of tyrion? if so, nice touch!
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the x axis labels were kind of a bitch because I am no senior wrangler when it comes to quickie excel graphs, it's good enough for jazzI would like to say the little bump is all about dinklage but I think it's just an artifact of the microsoft smoothing routine
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
you shoulda seen it when I tried to drop in some logarithmic trendlines on that nonsense - 100% campground settings PROVEN BY SCIENCE
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
The showrunners speak.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Bit of a spoiler in that article if you're worried about that kind of thing
― Number None, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Weiss: In the book there are a couple of characters who have more of an offscreen role and come back in Book 3. But in the case of, say, Robb Stark — played by Richard Madden — he has more of an offscreen presence in the book, but Richard did such a fabulous job once his character came to the fore, he so commanded the screen that we realized there's no way to talk about this guy and not have him in the show. So there are people offscreen in the book who we are going to write onscreen in the show to make sure people who viewers have fallen in love with are still there in the second season.Benioff: In the case of Jaime Lannister, he's got one scene in the second book, but he's such an important character we want to see more of him. There's fluidity in that certain scenes from the third book find their way into the second season just as certain scenes from the second book find their way into the end of the first season. We wanted to make sure those characters stayed in the audience's mind and didn't disappear for a whole year.
Benioff: In the case of Jaime Lannister, he's got one scene in the second book, but he's such an important character we want to see more of him. There's fluidity in that certain scenes from the third book find their way into the second season just as certain scenes from the second book find their way into the end of the first season. We wanted to make sure those characters stayed in the audience's mind and didn't disappear for a whole year.
hrm
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
There's some spoilers in there, just a warning for n00bs.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Seems sensible enough, max.
― Number None, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i am kind of over people who are watching this show and not reading the books frankly, get your act together
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Lot of people have been asking to borrow my copies recently
― Number None, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
lol the problem is that i have a stack of books to read but i dont have as much good tv...
― just sayin, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Not reading that full article, but if they're deviating that much I might be able to justify reading the books after all. Though I have to say I loved the shock of Ned's demise, and would hate to lose that excitement.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Why would you need to justify it?
― Number None, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
you being serious?
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think so
― just sayin, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
heh, are you
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of books I'd like to be reading, and if the series follows the books as closely as it seems to (from reading the first 150 pages) then I'd rather just watch the show, but if they're deviating significantly from here on out then I can see the value. Part of me just doesn't want to ruin the WTF shock value. I really like the show, but I'm not convinced it's going to have the depth of some of the greats, which leave the WTF funtimes as its greatest asset.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
no¿
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Fair enough Gubke, but despite the show following largely the same plot there really is so much more in the books than what's on screen. And you get the WTF moments on the page too.
― Number None, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
For this season I'm reading the book but trying not to read ahead of the show. Next season I might try the opposite to see how I feel about it but I like experiencing stuff on the show first and then enriching my viewing after the fact. I sort of fear that reading the book first might make me less enthusiastic about watching the show.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 16 June 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I am torn -- < 200 pages into vol. 1, I'm still conflicted about the moment when I'm done with it and waiting on season 2.
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Friday, 17 June 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
you should keep reading; it's not going to diminish your wanting to see the show.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 17 June 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
its hard for me to imagine someone regretting reading the books. especially regretting reading the books in order to watch stuff happen on the show first
― ☂ (max), Friday, 17 June 2011 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
reading the books made the show better...I think I said this way upthread somewhere, but the show helped me to better picture the minor characters as I was reading, and I was pleased to find that knowing what was going to happen didn't spoil the show because HOW they make it happen from a writing standpoint has been really kind of interesting for me. They've truncated it enough for the screen to make sense, and though some of the exposition scenes can get a bit much, I am really enjoying the subtle and bigger changes in the story. Like a slight redux or something.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 June 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I plan to finish out the show and then start reading from the beginning of book 2. I tried starting book 1 midway through the series but I was so bored reading stuff that I had already seen happen. I'm hoping I'll be able to avoid that by reading completely new material.
― Mordy, Friday, 17 June 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I was so bored reading stuff that I had already seen happen.
Definitely ran into this after Ned dies! Like, I was at the point where Nymeria noms in Joffrey's arm, and it felt inconsequential compared to what just happened in the show.
Reading the collective advice though is helpful, probably will continue on with all the books. (The dilemma -- or my dilemma -- is definitely rooted in inherent cultural preference for visual arts, where all stories are supposed to culminate in tv/film productions.)
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Friday, 17 June 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually prefer books but it's not like GRRM has a lot of "literary" pleasures in his books. He's a great writer of plot, but if you already know what's gonna happen bc of the show...
― Mordy, Friday, 17 June 2011 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm definitely reading GOT in a pulp mode, which reminds me of a quotation from the NYer article where one of GRRM's haters is all, "[The first three books in the series are] the finest novels I’ve ever read," and I'm like, read much?
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Friday, 17 June 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
The main things the book have got going for them over the show is the humor - the spiteful things every character thinks of everyone else.
― abcfsk, Friday, 17 June 2011 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Just rewatched ep 5 and found Arya's "I'm not a boy!" reaction pretty lol.
Also forgot how great the Robert/Cersei scene was.
― Gukbe, Friday, 17 June 2011 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link
And didn't realize the first time around that the Spider was talking to the Merchant from across the Narrow Sea about Stark looking into the bastards etc
kinda stupid question perhaps...but i looked on amazon and it was really fucking confusing seeing which book was what, or which collections had all the books, some people were even complaining one "set" was missing a book...
is there a definitive way of buying them all at once or what's the cheapest way? which way are you all reading them?
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Friday, 17 June 2011 08:31 (thirteen years ago) link
This is what you want LG. There are no books missing from it (apart from the 5th one which isn't actually out for another month)http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61RXUvc1PwL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-Ice-Fire-4v-Thrones/dp/0345529057/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308304792&sr=8-1
― Number None, Friday, 17 June 2011 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, June 17, 2011 1:01 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
sure, but the books are much deeper and you dont have to worry about cruddy actors or ugly sets or exposition being crammed into lesbian hooker sex. they have a budget of infinity!
― ☂ (max), Friday, 17 June 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not sure about the claim that they're 'deeper' but i'm more and more befuddled by the HBOzation of this already fairly HBOish set of books
like i was reading the wiki for it and they have introduced one new character, 'roz' -- she is portrayed by a glamour model and was given a name in the xth episode after being previously identified in the scripts as 'red-headed whore'
stay classy, HBO
― thomp, Friday, 17 June 2011 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"deeper" in the sense that theres "more plot/more explanation" not like thematically deeper
― ☂ (max), Friday, 17 June 2011 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
they should have called her "exposition whore" since that is her plot function
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Friday, 17 June 2011 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
lolz
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 17 June 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought Ros was the redhead barmaid that Theon gets it on with in the books, or i assume at least based on her?
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 17 June 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
she is, and she comes south.
― remy bean, Friday, 17 June 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
huh huh
In the UK, Book 3 is split into two. This might have caused confusion. It also makes me wonder if they'll split book 3 into two seasons.
― Gukbe, Friday, 17 June 2011 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
they should conflate books two and three
― thomp, Friday, 17 June 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
It does kinda sound like they're doing that. In the interview with the creators in the LA Times they said they would be bringing elements of the third book into season two, so that certain characters who don't get up to much in the book don't get forgotten by viewers.
― Number None, Friday, 17 June 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm sort of wondering if that strategy, in the long run, might also serve to shorten the number of seasons ie give them a better crack at finishing the series in less than seven arcs
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Friday, 17 June 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
sure, but the books are much deeper and you dont have to worry about cruddy actors or ugly sets or exposition being crammed into lesbian hooker sex.
What if I like lesbian hooker sex?
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Saturday, 18 June 2011 07:05 (thirteen years ago) link
When Sansa says she doesn't want a strong, honest, good man because she wants Joffrey, does the book adequately capture the lolz that come from Arya and Ned's exchange of smirking glances?
― Gukbe, Saturday, 18 June 2011 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, the 'no spoilers please' thing has really been abandoned by this thread, i should stop checking it
― some dude, Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i think "no spoilers" refers to "no spoilers past what's happened on the show"
― ☂ (max), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
otherwise... why have a thread about a tv show
― ☂ (max), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought i had seen something that hadn't happened on the most recent episode -- could be mistaken though
― some dude, Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
The interview with the showrunners upthread has a fairly sizable spoiler in like the first sentence.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Which was noted in the thread
― Number None, Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
TONIGHT YOU GUYS!
In the spirit of "not dead unless shown onscreen," I'm wagering that the next OMGTWIST is that Ned is still alive.
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Sunday, 19 June 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
wondering what happened to Arya's 'dancing' teacher myself
― Gukbe, Sunday, 19 June 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
my own personal theory regarding her dancing master is too spoiler-heavy for this thread. maybe some other time..
― one dis leads to another (ian), Sunday, 19 June 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Spring 2012 to see Joffrey get some level of comeuppance.
― Gukbe, Monday, 20 June 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
hate u cable tv having types
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 20 June 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
RT
@tedleo
WHAT? Spring 2012!?!?!
21 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Monday, 20 June 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait? Spring 2012 for the next series? http://ernstmul.home.xs4all.nl/images/yahoo/28.gif
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 20 June 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
season - whatever
TOO LONG
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 20 June 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Considering they haven't finished the scripts nor cast Stannis I'd say a year is the best you can hope for.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 20 June 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
SHUT UP ;_;
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 June 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
They start filming next month.
― Gukbe, Monday, 20 June 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
...gotta admit I'm worried about a season-full (or more) of cheesy dragon f/x
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Monday, 20 June 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Dragon fx looked good to me.
― Jouster, Monday, 20 June 2011 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I thought the dragon FX looked suprisingly good!
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 20 June 2011 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
the sound design was great and helped to sell it a bit, but I didn't find the visuals quite convincing, which would only get worse if they're, you know, 50 times bigger.
Decent finale, not mindblowing but not really trying to be. I'm intrigued by the Arya/bastard pairing, and I loved the scene with Sansa and Joffrey.
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Monday, 20 June 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
great ep. ( *spoiler post, if you haven't watched it yet* )
i especially loved Jeor's speech to Snow. the only scene that fell flat, to me, was the one with Little Finger and Varys. what was the point of that? i was half expecting them to start making out!
this has also cemented my conviction to NOT read the books. in addition to many-another-factor - i'm enjoying not knowing what's going to happen next. seeing how they revealed Daenerys surviving the fire was just too good!
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 June 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
the dragons were so cute :3
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
final two scenes were amazing sequence to end season w/
― Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i especially loved Jeor's speech to Snow.
Yes, that guy is awesome
the only scene that fell flat, to me, was the one with Little Finger and Varys. what was the point of that? i was half expecting them to start making out!
I thought this was cool and i dig the relationship they're setting up between the two of them. Antagonistic but with a level of mutual respect. The actor who plays Varys has been superb i think. The scene what played weirdly for me was the Grand Maester Pycelle/Ros one.
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I am so mad that this series has made me want dragons and direwolves as pets when it's never going to happen.
― I don't know who Cerebus is, and I'm 6'0 and 192 (Nicole), Monday, 20 June 2011 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
The scene what played weirdly for me was the Grand Maester Pycelle/Ros one.
should have had the word "exposition!" flashing at the bottom of the screen imo
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 20 June 2011 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the Baelish/Varys and Grand Maester/Roz scenes both kinda sucked - the former was a little funny at least, but felt very redundant. the later was rambling and largely pointless. (I know that was the intention, but it was a waste of valuable finale time.) Would rather have checked in w/ Cersei at some point, esp. given her reaction to Joffrey's order to execute Ned last week.
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
*the latter
there wasnt any exposition in that scene, was there? it was just a character moment
http://i.imgur.com/DJ5kT.gif
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
There was TONS of plot exposition in that scene, awkwardly wedged in around gratutious nudity.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 20 June 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
You could get actually get a Direwolf though Nicole, they're played by a breed of dog called the Northern Inuit.
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but it went on waaay too long, plus he's a character we have no reason to care about. xp
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/dx9w6.gif
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh i can't even remember that well, my attention wandered, but it ~seemed~ like a way to give the audience some westeros history that they may need to know in the future
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
He basically just went on about the Mad King didn't he? Who we already knew about.
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
exactly. redundant.
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
his rambling was boring and unimportant, which is why ros was bored - the point of the scene was that pycelle's doddering old man pose is just as much of a feint to make himself seem harmless as what varys and littlefinger do
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Well yeah, but it just didn't need to go on that long.
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, probably. but i didnt think it was checking-my-watch-and-sighing-theatrically long.
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i was kinda on the fence about emilia clarke for most of the season, but im pretty sold on her now. she killed it in this ep
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
What if Game of Thrones was a buddy comedy?
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.progressiveboink.com/jon/images/calvinhobbes/bill2.gif
― MPx4A, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
show is so fun. episode highlights: cuckoo's nest merciful smothering < sansa keeps cool <<<< climactic dragon cheesecake.
― my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
thought the littlefinger/varys scene was brilliant, really well written. varys kills it in every scene, the faces he makes. joffrey is such a horrible little cunt. not a huge amount happened this ep but was interesting to hear stannis and renly have taken up against joffrey too. next season tho...wtf, so much shit is hitting the fan all at once, dragons, white walkers, multipronged civil war. it's a veritable smorgasbord of violence!
― LocalGarda, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
You ain't see nothing yet
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
will buy this on DVD the day it come out, even though HBO love to gouge the mans.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
?
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Pricers are cheaper than they used to be
― Gukbe, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
He's saying HBO's home video releases are expensive.
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xo
fsdgkh
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
good lord i never thought the day wld come when princess tamtam was translating my posts on a game of thrones tv thread. such times we live in.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
weed is coming
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it was mans that threw me but I figured it out
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I want a little babby dragon now please.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
E they...don't actually exist :(
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
SPECULATION -- I HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS OR WIKI'd AHEAD OR WHATEVER
imo three dragons would be handy thing to have around if a bunch of white walkers came and knocked on the Wall
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post
Hmpf. (._.)
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
they exist in our hearts.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm7fpd0F6M1qdth1ho1_500.gif
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
it sorta looks like there's steam coming out of her head.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
anyways, joffrey is a little shit. how many friends is he going to have left if he keeps up with the tongue cutting/insanity?!
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
unless it serves to scare the shit out of people and keeps everyone in line.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Sort of an ellipsis compared to the exclamation mark of the previous episode. Didn't much care for the very end -- yeah yeah, she's walking into the fire but we all know that she's not going to burn. Want to see more of Arya threatening fat boys/kicking it with Baratheon bastard, or Pycelle doing more backflips.
Random thoughts:* Lancel? I seriously thought/hoped that Cersei had better taste in relatives.* Strangely, Dany looked more CG than the dragons at the end.* Cat was looking srsly hott.* Actually liked Arya with short hair. Good makeover.* Ned's makeover, not so much.
WHEN IS ARYA GOING TO START EFFING ESS UP??? /rhetorical
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
this was awesome
draaaaaagons! and dragon queen power!but also Northern power! and zombie killing!i'm kind of scared tbh, but i guess i have many many months to get unscared
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Given the rising body count, I half-expected them to try to shiv each other inna Excalibur style!
Loved Samwise getting stooged by the branch.
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Little Finger 'n' Varys was maybe my favorite scene, and there were lots of good scenes.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
was that an addition, like their first scene together? my memory of the book is slipping
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 09:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah it wasn't in the book
― Number None, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
last episode was great
loved the Varys/Littlefinger conversation, loved Sansa remembering she's a Stark, loved the pyre scene, loved Bran and Rickon's interactions, loved Cat in vengeful widow mode, loved Jamie's grinning acceptance of his circumstances, loved how painfully evil Joffrey is, loved Jon's friends in the Watch pulling his head out of his ass and the Night Watch commander totally calling him out for it... basically I thought this was great at managing the fallout of Ned's death while setting up season 2.
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
loved how painfully evil Joffrey is
I will never be able to think of that kid as anything else. He's so awful and horrible and perfect that I think he'll forever be that way for me. Sort of like how I will always find the dad from Happiness creepy and very very uncomfortable to watch regardless of role.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
He is such a powerful poster boy against having incest babies
― I don't know who Cerebus is, and I'm 6'0 and 192 (Nicole), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bscreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/alfies-allen.jpg
― Lo_Ol (cozen), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
hate u
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Amazing that the ratings for the last episode were considerably better than the first. I think something similar happened with True Blood.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I will never be able to think of that kid as anything else. He's so awful and horrible and perfect that I think he'll forever be that way for me.
the little scared boy from Batman Begins is gone forever now
― MPx4A, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I was just looking at his filmography, which seems to run the gamut from "tragic orphan" to "obsessive preteen stalker"
he was also in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrooms_%28film%29
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty typical medieval power consolidation move
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm also never going to be able to think of Arya as Malcolm in the Middle again after this
― MPx4A, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://k.min.us/idjNck.png
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
so what happens with those barbarians that wanted to take over the Vale?! did they just get told to go to hell after the battle?! a trivial point i guess, but i'm curious.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel bad for the joffrey kid, he has to through the rest of his life with that smug face
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:54 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
¯\(°_o)/¯
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
so what happens with those barbarians that wanted to take over the Vale?! did they just get told to go to hell after the battle?!a trivial point i guess, but i'm curious.
I don't remember what happened to them in the books so assume they're still floating around in the background as part of Tywin's army
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
SPOILER FOR THE HILL TRIBE CURIOUS (BUT NOT SUPER SPOILERY):
Tyrion takes them with him when he leaves Tywin's army. Not saying where they all go.
END SPOILER.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Natalie Dormer from the Tudors has been cast as Margaery Tyrell.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Any word on Stannis yet?
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/S_Z/Tq_Tz/Tudors/season2/the-tudors-Dormer20.jpg
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I've taken the plunge into the book--nearly 100 pages in and it's still the first episode.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 23 June 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
this show's use of nudity is so cheeky
― in no way more ancient than fucking space (latebloomer), Friday, 24 June 2011 06:58 (thirteen years ago) link
probably my biggest complaint with it. not that it ruins the show or anything, and sometimes it is purposeful. the general grievance seems to be down to "hey, we're HBO!" but I think it has more to do with "hey fantasy geeks, you like tits right?", which is much worse.
― Gukbe, Friday, 24 June 2011 07:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i wouldn't call myself a fantasy geek (although i did watch the entire first season of GAME OF THRONES so perhaps this particular elven longship has sailed) but i mean i like tits
nevertheless i almost wished the show had held off on them entirely until the last shot of the season just to up the impact of the whole STRIPPED TO NOTHING AND YET MORE POWERFUL THAN EVER thing but yeah this is an hbo adaptation of a series that was pretty titty to begin with so it's inevitable.
― my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Friday, 24 June 2011 07:13 (thirteen years ago) link
that would have been more "impactful" if she had also been bald the way shes supposed to be. and if she was nursing the dragons too.
― ☂ (max), Friday, 24 June 2011 10:54 (thirteen years ago) link
cause then shes naked and weeeeird instead of naked
― ☂ (max), Friday, 24 June 2011 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i wondered if they'd keep the nursing the dragons, i think that was the first time reading them i went 'errrrrrrr'
― thomp, Friday, 24 June 2011 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link
three weeks until book six! CANT WAIT
― thomp, Friday, 24 June 2011 10:56 (thirteen years ago) link
They probably though one weird breast feeding scene was enough for the season
― Number None, Friday, 24 June 2011 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link
what good is hbo if you can't do multiple weird breast feeding scenes
― ☂ (max), Friday, 24 June 2011 11:20 (thirteen years ago) link
dragons are reptiles (they don't nurse from teats) so i think making it more herpetologically correct was a smart move on the part of hbo.
― in no way more ancient than fucking space (latebloomer), Friday, 24 June 2011 12:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i was sort of wondering what they would start off eating.
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
like, i doubt Gerber makes baby dragon food.
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe she was menstruating?
― remy bean, Friday, 24 June 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
http://suzukiassociation.org/icon/fugue/icons/smiley-eek.png
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
...and the thread goes next level
― latebloomer, Friday, 24 June 2011 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― ☂ (max), Friday, June 24, 2011 6:54 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark
one of the dragons was deffo suckin on some titty m8
― buju danson (Princess TamTam), Friday, 24 June 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
give that dragon a pat on the back.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 25 June 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Are they, though? If we're to think that dragons are flying, fire-breathing dinosaurs, then it's not so clear.
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Saturday, 25 June 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
well they're not flying, fire-breathing potatoes
― latebloomer, Saturday, 25 June 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
mmmm firey potatoes
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 June 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Not exactly "GoT (the book)" spoilers, but what the hey:
*** NOT EXACTLY SPOILER BUT SOME BOOK DETAIL STARTS BELOW
There's a point during the Hand's tournament where the Hound escorts Sansa back to the Red Keep and totally freaks her out (he's the one who tells her about the Mountain melting his face off), but by the second day, she seems to have grown attached to him -- am I reading that right? Am I to presume that their little heart-to-heart the night before is the beginning of a beautiful BFFship?
END WHATEVER THAT NON-SPOILER IS ***
Oh and btw, is there some kind of literary punning with Gregor Clegane and Sansa, i.e. Gregor Samsa?
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Sunday, 26 June 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Sunday, 26 June 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, is there a compendium of high literary references in ASoFaI (e.g. Riverrun, Gregor/Sansa)?
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Sunday, 26 June 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
The Hound is Sandor, not Gregor
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
D'oh! Can't keep those darned Cleganes straight.
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Hound = bad, Mountain = good-ish sort of.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I love the actor that plays Gregor. He was the "Yarp" fellow in Hot Fuzz :D
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
how is the Mountain better than the Hound?!
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:13 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
whoa whoa whoa i think u got these two mixed up
― ☂ (max), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
lol glad to see I'm not the only one!
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Mountain = killing his horse, destroying random village, melted his brothers face off etc etc
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
good-ISH
― balls, Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck, dammit, now I'm confused. Hound is the one that's niceish to Sansa, Mountain is the burn-your-face one. Dammit. Sorry.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Hound is the one that stopped Sansa from shoving Joffrey to his death. so... merely quasi-bad?
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah. Without being spoilery, what I've read so far he's more...conflicted. but I'm still only on the tail end of Book 2.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 June 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
me too! (10% left acc to Kindle)
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 June 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi-five!
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 June 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
stayed up all nite watching this shit last nite, p dope tbqh
― ice cr?m, Monday, 27 June 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
So there's a comics version coming, and does this cover painting remind anyone of a certain... magical... T-Shirt?
http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/06/29/games-of-thrones-the-comic-gets-alex-ross-covers/
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
If they don't look like muppets, I have no interest.
http://www.gameofthronesofmuppets.com/thumb/Kermit_th.jpg
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
lamo would rock that on a shirt
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
kermit would be a crannogman!!
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
say what up to your crannogmans and dem
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 30 June 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
^^quality post
― rebel yelp (gbx), Thursday, 30 June 2011 04:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Just read the part where Ned dreams about his promise to Lyanna -- what did that entail? Was it just burying her at Winterfell, or was there something more to it?
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Thursday, 30 June 2011 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
keep readin and find out!
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 30 June 2011 05:49 (thirteen years ago) link
So you're saying that I didn't forget a detail?
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Thursday, 30 June 2011 05:51 (thirteen years ago) link
no, pretty much everything regarding Lyanna is written very evasively in the books, you probably didn't miss anything
― ciderpress, Thursday, 30 June 2011 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
just finished watching season 1 after it taking over my life in the last week! absolutely brilliant series and the setup for S2... There's gonna be dragons, and zombieeez... Oh ma god Lydia!
― la tristessa demerera (dog latin), Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:01 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, so holy shit, i just watched episode 10. dunno why i waited a week & a half, but it's the best of the series by far, by far. everyone comes into their own, esp danaerys and sansa, both delivering their strongest performances to date. first ep that's really moved me, too, esp cat w robb after news of eddard's death and jon snow with sam & co in the night. and that final shot! can't believe i have to wait a whole damn year to find out wot happens next...
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:20 (thirteen years ago) link
You could always read the books
― Number None, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i really really wanted Sansa to grab Joffrey by the neck and throw themselves off that walkway...
― la tristessa demerera (dog latin), Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Where are people getting the eps online? I never saw 10 and quickly tooled through the HBO website but it wanted me to join something for the content...gave up quickly.
― you're in the club and the light hits your ass like pow (Laurel), Thursday, 30 June 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.scnsrc.me/
― Number None, Thursday, 30 June 2011 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Like several others, have started on the books in the wake of the series. When Catelyn and Ser Jorik are in the tavern where they encounter and capture Tyrion, the minstrel is called … Marillion. Lols, rofls, lmao etc etc
― Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Thursday, 30 June 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Marillion is the one who gets his tongue cut out... by Wilko Johnson of Dr Feelgood (who plays the mute executioner).
I finished the last episode of this this morning, great stuff. Along with everything else, I love the opening titles and music. You don't hear so many great theme tunes these days, but this is one.
― Keep shouting sir, we'll find you (DavidM), Thursday, 30 June 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
u just blew my mind
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Who would be a good Stannis? I Googled "cast as Stannis" to see if anybody had been cast as Stannis and the second result was "HBO Cast Alan Rickman as Stannis", but then I noticed there was a comma after "HBO" and it was just a Facebook group making unreasonable demands
He's like ~30 years too old for the role, right? I guess everyone in this is older than the book says they are but even so
Seems like he should be played by a "name" actor cos he's important but not too omnipresent on screen, but then I also quite like the idea of him being someone maddeningly familiar who you belatedly realise was an awkward parliamentary advisor in two episodes of The Thick of It
― MPx4A, Thursday, 30 June 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
mark strong
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 30 June 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
tom hanks
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a dude who looks kind of like Colin Firth that isn't Colin Firth?
― DJP, Thursday, 30 June 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Oooh! Ciaran Hinds? Is that his name? Caesar from Rome?
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 June 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I've heard Mark Strong and Christopher Eccleston's names being bandied about by a lot of people. On board with either.
― Number None, Thursday, 30 June 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Eccles would be a strong choice, yeah
― DJP, Thursday, 30 June 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Gasp! Eccles! YES
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 July 2011 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
That would make me vvvvvvvv happy
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 July 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Badg, it worked, but now that I've selected the two games, I wonder if I can download them later...
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Friday, 1 July 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Err, wrong thread.
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Friday, 1 July 2011 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
traitor
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 July 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
:)
Anyway, you teasing cravens make me wish I read faster.
Trying to think of a Who/GoT joke, it's not working. :\`
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Friday, 1 July 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"Every Westeros has a north".
― Roz, Friday, 1 July 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
man kind sux to know there are books of this i will never read while i wait around for more eps
― ice cr?m, Friday, 1 July 2011 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link
they shoulda just made it all at once, sent to me in a torrent
show's more addictive than crack. To think only a week ago I was only peripherally aware of it and today there's a Game Of Thrones hole in my world that True Blood won't fill.
― can't be gloomy with halloumi (dog latin), Friday, 1 July 2011 09:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Would love Rufus Sewell as Stannis.
― Melissa W, Friday, 1 July 2011 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmmm, rufus sewell best suggestion so far imo. doesn't look too old, can pull off a bit of po-faced gravitas.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 1 July 2011 10:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Friday, July 1, 2011 12:16 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ice cr?m, Friday, July 1, 2011 12:16 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
haha the only reason i read the books is because when they were promoting the show i was like 'hmm im probably gonna watch this, i guess i'll read it just so nobody can spoiler me on it'
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Friday, 1 July 2011 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i basically read them cause i saw the first six episodes early and didnt want to have to wait six weeks to find out what happened next
― ☂ (max), Friday, 1 July 2011 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link
me too. but damn, they sucked me in hardcore.
― skinny arbuckle (latebloomer), Friday, 1 July 2011 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link
why because there intersting
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 1 July 2011 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I bet you smell like blackberry jam.
http://innatthecrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/moderntarts.jpeg%3Fw%3D768%26h%3D1024
btw, kinda lol that "butt" is part of the vernacular in the books ("Nearly a man grown, he yet slipped and fell on his butt").
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
He compensates by describing things as a "mummer's farce" on the regular; guy must be a total downer at ren fairs
"he walked like he had a dagger up his butt" was the point where I considered just skipping to book 2 to find out about deaths
― MPx4A, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
A song of ice and fire more like a description of beards and armour
― MPx4A, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yeah one definitely doesn't read these books for the prose
― skinny arbuckle (latebloomer), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 08:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Massive Westeros Map
― Gukbe, Friday, 8 July 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll come back to this map once I've made it deeper into the books. 2/3 into GoT is the most fun I've had w/ a book in ages. Then again, I haven't read anything like this in a long time.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 8 July 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
my god that map do they really mention all those places in the book wtf
― ice cr?m, Friday, 8 July 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
way more
― remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
too much! #OJVU
― ice cr?m, Friday, 8 July 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
a massive family tree wd be more helpful
― remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Brienne of Tarthhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1EDafL1qUqg/TKvChJVWP7I/AAAAAAAAQe8/Ja6H_TRdns8/s1600/Picture+80.png
― Number None, Friday, 8 July 2011 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
should work. she's tall
― abcfsk, Friday, 8 July 2011 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
although Not Actually Unattractive, tho that's not that surprising, i guess. who is she?
― thomp, Friday, 8 July 2011 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Gwendoline Christie is a British actress. She graduated from drama school in 2005 and has appeared in the RSC's Great Expectations and Pravda. Last year she played the queen in Cymbeline at the Barbican. She lives in London
Her only screen role to date seems to be a very small part in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. She's 6ft 3
― Number None, Friday, 8 July 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
she's the amazon from the patrick wolf videos
― remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa:
I had seen Gwendoline walking in Brighton and was drawn to her. She's over 6'5" in heels and very striking. I couldn't get her out of my head. She was working at a funky interiors boutique in Brighton called Pussy; I was looking for a new project in 2002 and realised I needed to track down this girl to see if she'd do some photos.
Tall order: it took Borland (right) six months to convince Christie to pose seminudehttp://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00034/howwemet_brownlee_34968a.jpg
― She Got the Shakes, Friday, 8 July 2011 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I am...torn. Have to see how they style her character. Wanted someone less feminine, definitely.
― manager expects you to work past 6PM but won't allow you to change into (Laurel), Friday, 8 July 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
watch the damaris video –– she's definitely capable of less feminine
― remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
damaris video?
she's definitely prettier than i imagined, and thinner too. i pictured brienne being built like a female shot putter:
http://i.imgur.com/zUMYm.jpg
it's a tough role to cast though.
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Friday, 8 July 2011 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
damaris video (good song, too) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S77jnQWU4Uo
― remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yikes only 4 days left for me to finish my re-read and i'm not even done with 3 yet, might have to just skim 4 if its as inconsequential as i remember
― ciderpress, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
tamtam otm, but I imagine she'll be bulked out with armor and stuff: her gonzo height (six five!) is more visually striking than being jacked would be.
― g++ (gbx), Friday, 8 July 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
6'5" in heels, 6'3" in real life apparently
― thomp, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno. i feel like hbo were never going to go with anyone actually unattractive, so it's at least better that they're at least putting onscreen someone with a non-standard body type and stuff
― thomp, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
She's "TV ugly" basically
― Number None, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ha ha. which is "hot" by human standards.
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 July 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
would smang
― one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
She's gonna have to lean way down for all the crotch grabbin' GRRM wrote for her.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
So Martin has taken twenty years to write the first five books. Is there any indication he will finish the last two before the show catches up with him, or indeed before he dies?
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― DJP, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Sanderson is going to be too busy to write his own fiction if this all keeps up
He was selected by Time magazine as one of the "2011 Time 100," a list of the "most influential people in the world."[1][2]
????
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Apparently he's given the showrunners his notes and outlines for how the book series will end, in case something happens to him or he doesn't finish in time. Not that it matters, as I'd be shocked if the series ran for seven years.
― Gukbe, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
damn 6'3"
― ☂ (max), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i hope she bulks up too
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― ☂ (max), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Just finished first book! Favorite POVs are Arya and Jon. Can't wait to get into new plot stuff (might have to wait because the first non-prologue chapter looks to be Arya falling in with Wall-bound scum).
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Saturday, 9 July 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I have been sworn to secrecy about G's casting - she is a friend - for the past three weeks and have been DYING to say something. Usually she looks like this:
http://www.ponystep.com/imagestore/large_2940.jpg
She is very popular with fashion and art people in East London and I think she's gorgeous. FYI the sort of heels G wears means she's more like 6'7"+ in them! Although many of you have not seen her in much, she's been in tons of performance art for people like Matthew Stone and Theo Adams and was in the revive of Breakfast at Tiffany's with Anna Friel.
― RMDEial studies (suzy), Sunday, 10 July 2011 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
she seems taller than wolf in that video and he's pretty crazy tall O_o
― Roz, Sunday, 10 July 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
so finally caught up with all of this, it was totally great but i'll probably need to watch them all again pretty soon because i still don't know who everyone is. also i feel bad for the kid playing joffrey if he's got such punchable face in real life.
― sonderangerbot, Monday, 11 July 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
was wondering if these chose him cause he looks inbred
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
he's using his acting.
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Sat next to a dude on the train who was reading Clash of Kings on an iPad while reading my dead-tree copy, hah.
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Why do the younger Stark kids not have Northern accents? Not a major issue, but a lapse of attention to detail perhaps...
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I have thought about this. I reckon it can sort of be explained away by the fact that they spent more time with their mother who is from the south. Certainly with the girls they would be around her a lot learning to be ladies and so on, while the older lads hang out with gruff soldiering types.
― Number None, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
But overwhelmingly everyone in the world has the accent from the place yjeu grew up in, parents' accents irregardless. This is true. It's an error.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think it's a great explanation but the girls could have had elocution lessons or similar. Anyway, Jamie Lannister has a European accent and his brother Tyrion has some weird pseudo-English one so it's not like it's the only inconsistency.
― Number None, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd always rather hear a number of inconsistent accents within a show or film than have otherwise perfecly good actors compromise their performances because they're trying to mimic an accent they'll never manage.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 10:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Tyrion reminds me of Eddie Izzard.
― Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Dinklage gets a well deserved Emmy nomination!
― Number None, Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
That's one of the only nominations the Emmy voters got right.
― online pinata store (Nicole), Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
wow Modern Family is the new juggernaut, huh
also ppl should not be rewarding Melissa McCarthy's hilarious "Bridesmaids" role by nominating her terrible, terrible sitcom
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Isn't the entire premise of Mike & Molly "LOL, fat people"?
― online pinata store (Nicole), Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
from what I could tell, yes; I only made it through 10 minutes
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe I am being unfair because I've only seen the promos for it, but that's what it seemed like.
― online pinata store (Nicole), Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Melisandre will be payed by Carice Van Outen and Stannis will be played by Stephen Dillane.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
that dude looks like a perfect Stannis
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
zomg Van Houten is gorgeous
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
he was awesome as Jefferson in John Adams xpost
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"Carice Anouk van Houten is a Dutch stage and film actress. She won four Golden Calves for her roles in Suzy Q (1999), Undercover Kitty (2001)..."
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
have they cast Davos yet? he seems like the best candidate for a "bigger" name actor out of the new main characters
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
he's going to die isn't he?
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
we all die, someday
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
also btw many readers of this thread haven't read the books yet
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
valar morghulis
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't read the books but just assume that any character in this show could die at any minute
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
just like life
right
i don't think i spoiled anything by simply naming a new character?! we've been talking about season 2 casting for the last 10000 posts
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
not saying anyone spoiled anything! just, you know, be mindful of stuff
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah jerks
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
just go read the books you lames
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont reads books
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i like them movin pictures
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
was that directed at me? i haven't read anything either! i just assumed a big name would be more prone to getting killed.i'm pretty much expecting minor spoilage on this thread at this point. and with my memory i'm going to have forgotten anything said here by 2016 when season 2 comes out.
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
xposts books make my head hurt
They're making my WRISTS HURT right now, because I'm re-reading this damn series on the subway.
― it's not that print journalists don't have a sense of humour, it's just (Laurel), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
hardcover?!
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
This series has made me so glad I bought a Nook.
― online pinata store (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^this
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm waiting out for the cranny editions
― cave duel (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
slocki is that you
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i learned from the master
― cave duel (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, I had Books 2 & 3 in paperback, but I'm afeared my copy of Book 4 is HC.
― it's not that print journalists don't have a sense of humour, it's just (Laurel), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
if a film ever gets made of The Wasp Factory the kid that plays Joffrey needs to be cast as Frank.
― owenf, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
your davos seaworth:
http://www.liamcunningham.net/interviews/images/Liam_Herald_2009.jpg
― max, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
(liam cunningham is the guys name)
― max, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
these new castings are cool. stannis guy is great. melisandre would ideally have been a little older maybe.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i am obv talking purely about physical appearance. i have no idea if these folx can act worth shit.
carice van houten can act her ass off. she was great in the mega underrated Black Book
― DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Just want to reiterate what I said earlier about Dillane in John Adams. Totally awesome.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
good day sir!
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― Number None, Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:51 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
totally the people not reading these books are the lame people
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone who needs proof of van Houten's awesomeness, rent Verhoeven's Black Book.
― THIS IS SATIRE BTW (Simon H.), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
even if u dont need proof, rent it anyway because its fwiggin gweat!!!!!
― DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
*went
*pwoof
― max, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Is Stannis like really rilly interested in talking about swivel chairs?
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, yeah
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
What happened to Alan Rickman? I thought he was all super-rumored to be cast as Stannis. Or maybe that was another character?
― She Got the Shakes, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
alan rickman was never in the conversation - you're probably just thinking of some fan speculation. he's got other shit to do, and besides that he's like 20 years older than mark addy (stannis' older brother on the show)
― DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really understand what it is with alan rickman and americans of a certain persuasion
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:15 (thirteen years ago) link
he's so dark + moody!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
ha i was gonna say alan rick is too goth for game of thrones
― max, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe he could play a braavosi banker or something
― max, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
has he ever been in anything actually good
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yes.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
die hard
― DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
you feeb!
yes, but has he ever been in anything .. actually good
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Quigley Down Under
Galaxy Quest
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link
die hard is legit a really good movie. have you seen it man
― DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link
he was the only good thing about the last HP movie. he has one line-reading in it that's so juicy you basically have to laugh
He was also in Smiley's People.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i've seen die hard but i was fourteen and it's all bound up with the sequels and the psone game for me, so maybe it is better than i am giving it credit for
i am entirely willing to believe that he is A Good Thing in the middle of harry potter eight or galaxy quest or whatever! that wasn't my question tho really
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
he was in rasputin: dark servant of destiny
― max, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
galaxy quest 2nded
― remy bean, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
lolol rasputin:
http://content7.flixster.com/photo/85/71/66/8571665_gal.jpg
― remy bean, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i admit outside of die hard i dont have much to say about his filmography. i havent seen ang lee's sense & sensibility, he's in that and it has a veneer of respectability
― DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
He would be a terrible Stannis tho. Quite apart from his age
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link
he's more of a lannister senior type
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, he'd be okay as pretty much anyone in the books in the right age bracket except stannis tbh
yall pretending u dont luv harry potter is p cute
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
walked past some americans in oxford the other day, in gryffindor scarves, complaining about how they didn't show some character repairing his wand, because it was An Important Moment. we need some kind of south africa style cultural embargo imo
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Alan Rickman was also one of the few things that doesn't make me want to shoot myself when my wife wants to watch Love Actually for the 2.4 billionth time.
Also, I loved him as Metatron in Dogma.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
bill nighy vs. allan rickman
― remy bean, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Fair enough, as Bill Nighy helps save Love Actually a little too.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Tea-leaf reading on a practical level:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/07/29/138807511/hbo-grapples-with-the-future-of-game-of-thrones
Asked why many HBO shows get 13 episodes a season and GOT has been getting 10, Lombardo said it simply wasn't possible to physically execute more than 10 episodes a year of the quality they want to produce. He and Plepler also tried to clarify that it wasn't a strict requirement from the network that the producers cover an entire book in each 10-episode season. Would that answer the question?Of course not. Later in the session, we once again returned to the possibility that the entire story of GOT will somehow not wind up being told. "This is a story that sort of has to finish at some point," said the next questioner. "And it can't finish in the middle." (Of course, TV stories finish in the middle all the time, but the assumption buried in the question was clear: You do not want to deal with what will happen if you stop telling this story to this particular audience before the end of whatever winds up being written by Martin.)What the critic wanted, though — a guarantee that HBO would finish exhaustively covering the story as it's told in the books, was not forthcoming. Already running short on time, largely as a result of answering this very question in a number of different incarnations, Lombardo said, "I don't know where the show for us ends as opposed to the books. It maybe would be fantastic to be able to say, this show will go on for ten years and do every aspect of the books. I don't know that that will be the case."
Of course not. Later in the session, we once again returned to the possibility that the entire story of GOT will somehow not wind up being told. "This is a story that sort of has to finish at some point," said the next questioner. "And it can't finish in the middle." (Of course, TV stories finish in the middle all the time, but the assumption buried in the question was clear: You do not want to deal with what will happen if you stop telling this story to this particular audience before the end of whatever winds up being written by Martin.)
What the critic wanted, though — a guarantee that HBO would finish exhaustively covering the story as it's told in the books, was not forthcoming. Already running short on time, largely as a result of answering this very question in a number of different incarnations, Lombardo said, "I don't know where the show for us ends as opposed to the books. It maybe would be fantastic to be able to say, this show will go on for ten years and do every aspect of the books. I don't know that that will be the case."
And so on, etc.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 July 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
they could totally collapse the next three books into two seasons imo
― g++ (gbx), Friday, 29 July 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I heard after the next book they're breaking with the structure
― Gukbe, Friday, 29 July 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Well they're going to have to mix it up if they make it to books 4 and 5
― Number None, Friday, 29 July 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok I'm going to consult the this thread--having come into the series cold and loved it, I followed it up by reading the book and loving it as well. Now I'm torn between waiting until next spring and being delighted by the surprise of each episode or reading ahead and not having to wait 4-5 years to see where this story goes. What say you all?
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
general consensus has been to just go ahead and read them
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, that's what max and i did
and we the best, so
still in the exact same boat as you, Sparkle, and it's been months of deliberation. I'm not really convinced of his skills as an actual writer, which is what gives me pause. That and seeing ep. 9 and not knowing that was coming at all was so amazing I'd hate to lose that for the next seasons.
― Gukbe, Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
What say you all?
I'm reading book 2. Will not read book 3 before the show catches up to me.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 30 July 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
read the fukken books.the surprises and twists are just as jaw-dropping in the written form. and he's not a "great writer", but his characterization & (to a lesser extent) his plotting are leagues beyond most sf writers..
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the books are worth reading
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
and ian is right about the twists being better written than filmed
also i find it helps my reading if i listen to shit like this --->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ophrjwLl4kk
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
also learning to ignore the 'songs' in the book, something we learned from tolkien...
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
so fucken sick of the bear & the maiden fair
heheh i was listening to a lot of the wicker man soundtrack when i was reading the books a few months ago
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the theme song to the hbo show is pretty sick too
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_VSbNEEko8
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsjMcEqjZ-c
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWFBbXmRUiY
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to make a mix tape with this theme tbh
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gonKhSIBP54
For many years I have loved this track and always imagined myself walking down the aisle to the man of my dreams, I have waited 37 years and the time has now arrived! =)
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― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link
the mission soundtrack is a better soundtrack for playing settlers of catan than it is for reading asoiaf but it still rules
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1aLjltkgV8
xpost that is a beautiful comment!!!
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q19C220Vvo
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:35 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itwL5y0He-k
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovVPmm7_Ezg
"Adiemus" ... This song makes me thinkof our own world and the whole universe..of good and evil..of peace and war..of nature and destruction..of life and death..of all those dichotomies that we can find everywhere,even inside ourselves.
I hope you like this video that I edited =)
And please, stop the destruction of this wonderful world..
― max, Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i dont know why i am dragging this in a new age direction
“No doubt some cook’s boy or groom is prancing around King’s Landing just now in my slashed velvet doublet and jeweled cloak,” Lord Alester went on, oblivious. “But war has its horrors, as all men know. No doubt you suffered your own losses.”
^^ quiddities and agonies of the ruling class iirc
― one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I absolutely loved this. Especially visually.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 July 2011 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Almost finished with book 2. Oh GRRM is teasing me ever so much with his pacing, a pox on him.
― La Petite Mordy (Leee), Sunday, 31 July 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Gonna start reading the first one after I finish my current book. I´m in South America though, and don´t much rate my chances of finding the others till I return home!
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 31 July 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
They have cast Asha Greyjoy, but changed her name to Yara Greyjoy
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Seems pretty perfect for the role looks wise.
― Number None, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
So my friend read somewhere that The Dink went to the same very small HS as his nephew who just won some national debate title or something and so he shot Dinklage an email stating as much and saying maybe he could congratulate the kid or something. He felt sorta dumb but figured what the hell. As it turns out Dinklage totally wrote the kid a really nice note. I thought that was pretty sweet of him. I mean I guess it could have been someone who reads his mail but you never know.
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
people r too stupid to distinguish osha and asha?
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
yara is an anagram for arya
― remy bean, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
They changed Robert Arryn's name to Robin in the first season as well. There are a lot names to keep track of in fairness
― Number None, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
lol so here's "Pete's" letter which is actually sweet but v show business insofar as him mentioning/referencing GoT twice in a short note. Still nice tho.
http://i53.tinypic.com/25ko7ip.jpg
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
That's stupid, changing a name because of "Osha"! Have they even CALLED Osha by her name yet, despite her being in several very distinct scenes??
― it's not that print journalists don't have a sense of humour, it's just (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think so.
― online pinata store (Nicole), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
That is a really sweet note, ENBB. I like that he put GAME OF THRONES in nice big letters. I imagine him saying it in his GAME OF THRONES accent.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 12:03 (thirteen years ago) link
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/03/game-of-thrones-jaqen/
― max, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Just wanted to warn ultra-spoilerphobic people that it's probably a not good idea to click on these casting links.
Also, finished book 2! And have started 3. I'm not sure if the twists are as thrilling as 1, but then, I think that the most potent thrills came from the TV show.
― his loser, bum of a son, named Jesus Christ (Leee), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Book 3 is the most insanest of all.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah if youre "not sure".... just wait bro. just wait.
― max, Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a nice day
― g++ (gbx), Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i gave up in the middle of book 3. i'll wait for them to make the show, or whatever. i'm no longer invested in this shit.
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
mordy, stick with it 'til the end of 3
― smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, the middle of book 3?
― Number None, Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i'd tell you where i got to but it would be spoilerz but basically GRRM killed enough ppl I cared about that i got bored and haven't picked it up in weeks.
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 August 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
dude that's still pretty spoilery?
― g++ (gbx), Thursday, 4 August 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Ppl die in this series. Spoiler. But srsly if u have no idea who I care about how can that possibly be a spoiler?
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 August 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
well i've read all the books so it wasn't that hard to intuit
― g++ (gbx), Thursday, 4 August 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah i see yr point
Now that I'm 700 pages into the 3rd book I kinda wish they'd compressed the 2nd book into a chapter of the 3rd and skipped it. 3rd book is indeed crazy.
― Bryan, Thursday, 4 August 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
dude that's still pretty spoilery?― g++ (gbx), Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:11 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkPpl die in this series. Spoiler. But srsly if u have no idea who I care about how can that possibly be a spoiler?― Mordy, Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:21 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― g++ (gbx), Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:11 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Mordy, Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:21 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Thanks, now I'm on the lookout for many many deaths in the middle of book 3.
― his loser, bum of a son, named Jesus Christ (Leee), Friday, 5 August 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah don't be hinting at spoilers, its almost as bad as the spoilers themselves to anyone who's smart enough to actually ~make inferences~
― ciderpress, Friday, 5 August 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't wanna start a big tumult about this, but i didn't spoil anything and if you think any of these books don't contain numerous deaths you totally haven't gotten this series (and you probably didn't watch the first season of the show yet)
― Mordy, Friday, 5 August 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
nods, winks, etc to specific deaths should be avoided. it would also be preferable for people reading the books to not know when or whenabouts in a book there is a HUGE SHOCK because then they'll be looking for it and expecting something etc.
Still, saying that people fucking die at some point in these books is not a spoiler at all.
― Gukbe, Friday, 5 August 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
GREAT THX FOR THE SPOILERS ILX H8 U
― ice cr?m, Friday, 5 August 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
ice cr?m dies at the end of book three
― g++ (gbx), Friday, 5 August 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
its sad he was delicious
#rip
― ice cr?m, Friday, 5 August 2011 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link
making cutesy hints about characters dying is obnoxious and you shouldnt do it
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKbsdMRqhcI (Princess TamTam), Friday, 5 August 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thefriendsociety.com/forum/images/smilies/armscrossed.gif
― g++ (gbx), Friday, 5 August 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
unbookmarking this thread, I just can't take the chance.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 5 August 2011 05:19 (thirteen years ago) link
this is cute
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6579356/game-of-thrones-rpg
― latebloomer, Friday, 5 August 2011 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link
It's sad he was Sean Bean. Don't think anyone has been particularly spoilery so far TBH, I've heard the later books are dramatic and I expect that to involve people dying.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 5 August 2011 06:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Knowing GRRM's rep for killing characters is one thing, but when you start indicating whereabouts these deaths happen, that's the beginning of some poor form. I definitely land on the paranoid end of spoilers (if that wasn't immensely clear already), because in the case of ASOIAF, I wanted those deaths to be as sudden and horrifying as Ned's was, but if at certain points in a book I'm starting to wonder if it's this character or that character, I'm not sure the actual death's going to have that effect on me.
That's why I'd hope that people err on the side of caution, because once the cat's out of the bag, that horse has left the barn.
― his loser, bum of a son, named Jesus Christ (Leee), Saturday, 6 August 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, it's definitely an asymmetrical dynamic and a possible burden for fans who aren't Spoiler Nazis Socialists, but getting specific again, this thread is for the TV show, *not* what's happened in Storm of Swords (or at least till/if the show catches up with SOS).
― his loser, bum of a son, named Jesus Christ (Leee), Saturday, 6 August 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
is the cat riding the horse? or did it scare it or?
― max, Saturday, 6 August 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the cat beat the horse at dice but then the horse took off across the river to catch a ship before it left
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 6 August 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Just finished zooming through bks 1-4, but have no appetite for 5 after the ball-ache of 4. That's some sub-Silmarillion world-building-not-story-telling tedium, right there.
― stet, Sunday, 7 August 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
keep reading; book 5 basically provides the asparagus tips to the plotlines of #4.
― ☆, Sunday, 7 August 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Roy Dotrice (who apparently does the audio versions) has been cast as Pryomancer Hallyne, while Hannah Murray will play Gilly.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/blogs/files/2009/12/gilly.jpg
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Roy Dotrice (who apparently does the audio versions)
Dotrice's readings of these books are str8 fire, btw.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/LRdjQ.jpg
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
str8 fire
Does this mean good?
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
y
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
He's not for all tastes, of course-- he totally goes for it theatrically with different voices for different characters. I love it. You haven't lived till you've heard the grizzled Dotrice act out Jon Snow's SPOILER REMOVED with the SPOILER REMOVED girl
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^Now that's a fuckin spoiler.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
in every sense of the word
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, i knew that wasn't going to go down well
― Number None, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Unless you're talking about channel 4 news anchor Jon Snow.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
So long, thread!
― his loser, bum of a son, named Jesus Christ (Leee), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh god I'm so sorry.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
What was I thinking. Humor overtook common sense.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
*bans self from thread*
Tywin Lannister = Vlad PutinCat Stark = Sarah Palin as she imagines herselfNed Stark + head = Jimmy CarterLittlefinger = Rahm Emmanuel
(Now I leave the thread for good.)
― his loser, bum of a son, named Jesus Christ (Leee), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Michael McElhatton cast as Roose Bolton. Perfect imohttp://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk2MTIzMTcyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjc3NjQ5NA@@._V1._SY314_CR183,0,214,314_.jpg
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Robert Baratheon = Silvio BerlusconiLysa Arryn = Michele BachmannJon Snow = Levi JohnstonTyrion Lannister = Bam </Morbius>
― his loser, bum of a son, named Jesus Christ (Leee), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
that Roose casting is p spot on
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
He's a p great actor too. Lotta Irish TV, primarily comedy oddly enough but he's got the dramatic chops as well.
― Number None, Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
http://io9.com/5829720/new-study-shows-that-knowing-spoilers-doesnt-ruin-a-story
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The people in that study are weirdos
― Number None, Thursday, 11 August 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
im sry its science fact, spoil away all ye
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 11 August 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
ohboy this morning i just bought the 4-book kindle package (to read on computer/iphone because i do not have an actual kindle (yet?))so far today i have gotten no work done
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm inclined to say just read the first three and stop, then wait for the last 4 to be finished to read together.
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqajzwUQuc1qbypg1o1_250.jpg
― c("c) (Leee), Monday, 22 August 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
ohboy this morning i just bought the 4-book kindle package
We bought the books, but then my (visually handicapped) husband realized he wasn't able to read the small letters. So I urged him to buy the Kindle package (for the ipad). He's so happy. :-)
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 22 August 2011 07:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi, I'm Syrio, and thees is my-a brother, Luigi!
― mick signals, Monday, 22 August 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
underrated line from the storm of swords epilogue--
Why buy a cow when there were udders all around begging to be milked?
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
spoilers dude! instead of paying attention to the nuances and character development of the second season, i'm just going to be waiting for Winterfell's milk shortage crisis. and I'll already know their strategy to resolve it!
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
srry i spoiled the dairy internship scene
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
a game of curds and whey
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
finished book one! in a week-long fit of reading-addiction that caused me to neglect work and social events. and four more books to go?? i need to set some self-imposed limits here. so glad i didn't discover this series when i was in grad school; ultimate procrastination tool, especially when i have it synced to my iphone too! always be reading...starting book two now...
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 3 September 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man book 3 is wtfomgham.
― c("c) (Leee), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
read that as "Whatthefuckingham"
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
sheriff of
― ockfen aprilscherz (Ówen P.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Robin Weigert (Calamity Jane off Deadwood) is Brienne of Tarth
― Gukbe, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
No she's not
― Number None, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-gwendoline-christie-joins-209311 <--- this person is brienne
― science you guys (Clay), Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait, i just read a tweet that linked to an article about character comparison or something like that my bad. carry on, nerds.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 8 September 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Neil Marshall will be directing an episode entitled "Blackwater", if that means anything to anyone.
― Gukbe, Friday, 16 September 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FH0ReBfN-c
― ☆, Friday, 16 September 2011 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
So one of GRRM's stylistic choices that rilly bugs and at this point (middle of book 4) shows every sign of increasing is the way he peppers scenes with dialogue with a character's internal monologue, like,
I'd like to shove a dirk up your butt. "My Lord is too kind," sez someone or other.
― Leee, Lord of Wtfomgham (Leee), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I was a bit disappointed he never did a one off Gregor Clegane POV where it was just the word "kill" for eight pages
― MPx4A, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
SANDOR
---
twats twats twats twats twats twats twats tw-
― MPx4A, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
finished book 2! a friend dropped by earlier this afternoon and it was all i could do not to kick her out so i could finish readingso much fighting! whew
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 2 October 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
Wait till book 3. (I think it's ILX's consensus fav?)
― Incunabuleee (Leee), Sunday, 2 October 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
oh i totally didn't even take a break and read right on into book three. i am a little freaked out about the oncoming zombies tbh.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
so far book 3 is AWESOMEexcept for the part where i too often neglect work and social life to read it
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3--MIgihGs
― Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Sunday, 9 October 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
i like how GoT is so anti-happily-ever-afteraccording to kindle, i am 72% done reading books 1-4! i think i'm about halfway through book 3...
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 9 October 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
ZOMG THE SPOILERS IN TEH TRAILER!!!!!!!!!!! Like, I totez did not want to know the new season is starting April 2012~~
― Come On My Teselecta (Leee), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
SPOILER: the voices in the background are saying "r'hllor r'hllor r'hllor" ~pronounced correctly~
― ☆, Monday, 10 October 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
i finished book 3 last night! whoa
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 10 October 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
200 pages into book five. Started book one in July. Blimey, he's sword happy.
― Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Monday, 10 October 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
Ygritte will be played by Rose Leslie (i.e. Gwen on Downton Abbey)
― Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Monday, 10 October 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
hehehe ikr?????????
To answer the question that everyone is thinking: is Rose Leslie hot?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumbnail_large_300x401/2011/10/rose_leslie_a_p.jpg
― foxes freud (Leee), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
there are now two actors on both game of thrones and downton abbey
― max, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 12:04 (twelve years ago) link
Game of Abbey
― DaTruf (Nicole), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 12:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lszr9k2BZ21qz4tuto1_500.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
bbbbbut, the Lannisters don't have any pet direwolves
― Number None, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
Then obviously's he's lion.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
touché
― Number None, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
which one is ygritte? 'you know nothing, jon snow'? that one?
― thomp, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
someone should rewrite game of thrones just using dolch words
― thomp, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's ygritte, the 'lucky' one with red hair
lol @ that poster
book 4 is kinda meh so far, maybe just in comparison to the non-stop action of book 3
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
No, I think book 4's mehness stands alone, though it does hit some high points.
― foxes freud (Leee), Friday, 14 October 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
Book 4 is 'here's what it's like for the little ppl' if u just take it as that it's v enjoyable
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
book 4 is also 1m times better than book 5
― max, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
except book 5 slightly advanced the plot.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
but it was 2x as long and 2x as boring. book 4 was sorta interesting, had better worldbuilding, new interests, etc.
― max, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
too much Cersei for me in book 4. One note character shrilling her one note to oblivion.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
i really liked the tyrion plot in 5, and the john snow plot, but both could have been half as long
― has anybody seen my jeffrey tambourine? (remy bean), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
jon snow
i'm loving dance w/dragons, only 120 pages in but damn it's been fucking great at the start
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
4 & 5 condensed into one would be excellent.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, and should have been what happened
― max, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
matt ill be interested to see what you think! i had an initially meh-bordering-on-positive reaction but once the adrenaline of reading the thing had worn off i grew to hate it, deeply
i'm just digging what's going on w/snow, danerys, tyrion right now, intersting plotlines so far imo
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
there's a lot of water-treading w/ dany and snow, imho, that seemed pretty clearly padding out length
― has anybody seen my jeffrey tambourine? (remy bean), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i have a hard time believing i'll like it less than book 4 for the simple fact of the characters that are in this one....but who knows, i'm still in the honeymoon phase
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
i mean tbf page 120 in an asoiaf book is like page 25 in most books
― max, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
no i realize! i'm just saying i'm totally loving it, but obv i've been waiting forever for this so i'm pretty pumped up about it
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like your best bet is to just maintain that positivity
― max, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
Uh dudes, you're probably gonna have some angry spoiler phobes in here in a bit
― Number None, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
in fairness to the spoiler phobes, this is the thread for the TV show
― Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
no spoilers yet? they can eat it because here I'm gonna spoil some shit and say TYRION TURNS INTO A CUTE LI'L MIDGET DRAGON AND EATS CERSEI AND POOPS HER OUT ON THAT THRONE MADE OUT OF SWORDS
― has anybody seen my jeffrey tambourine? (remy bean), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
there are multiple threads for discussing the books
― Number None, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
that's not nearly as cool as the scene where Zombie Ned and Robb ride north to storm the Wildlings stronghold
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
I was watching Batman Begins last weekend and Joffrey is one of the little kids Batman saves. I really wanted him to fling Joffrey from the burning building.
― DaTruf (Nicole), Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, I have had this problem with several of the knights and courtiers on other shows, too.
― WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
so I guess I should probably commit to this this, then? Swords & sorcery renaissance fair fare is typically not my bag, but I just watched the opening sequence of the first episode & am appropriately creeped out in good way by the blue-eyed demon people, so yes! yes?
― treeses, help me find my proper place (Pillbox), Saturday, 22 October 2011 03:18 (twelve years ago) link
Yes!
― foxes freud (Leee), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
lol just realized you weren't referring to the Lannisters with "blue-eyed demon people."
― foxes freud (Leee), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
The swords and sorcery stuff is really kept to a minimum (thankfully, imo, because I'm also not into it) in favor of some totally dirty politicking, which is where the show's hottness is (for me).
― foxes freud (Leee), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Also, for benefit of people who haven't read the books, I'd like to fill out this thread to push the book 4 talk into the "Skipping..." fold again, so, uh, trying to think of possible topics for discussion...
― foxes freud (Leee), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
barely into it, but digging it so far. As of right now, my favorite aspect is the gorgeous photography & the choice of the Ulster countryside & coastline as a backdrop/setting. It's making me a bit nostalgic, as I traveled in that area quite extensively years ago - of course, at the time, there was an unfortunate lack of towering, mystical fortresses & men in fur capes w/ broadswords roaming the countryside.
― now they know how many holes it takes to fill buffandmaxsmom (Pillbox), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, they had to film it in marching season to get the epic armies in the background. Then CGI out all the bowler hats.
― Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Saturday, 22 October 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
― now they know how many holes it takes to fill buffandmaxsmom (Pillbox), Saturday, 22 October 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Good reference source for people reading the books or watching the movie -- make sure Javascript and cookies are enabled: http://towerofthehand.com/
― hounds heidegger (Leee), Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
Good reference source for people reading the books and/or watching the show: http://towerofthehand.com/
Character guides, chapter/episode summaries that show you only as much as you've been exposed to, so long as your Javascript and cookies are enabled.
― hounds heidegger (Leee), Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
T/S: Jon Snow (book 1) vs. Jon Snow (season 1)?
― daschund derrida (Leee), Sunday, 6 November 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
a friend of mine works on the show (series 1 and 2) so here are a couple of gossipy bits:
two of the "brothers" had a right old time off-set spitroasting various make-up and wardrobe girls.
one of the main (scottish) actors' breath is so bad the other actors dread filming a scene with him.
― jed_, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
what is it with celebrities in Britain and spitroasting?
― encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
maybe bad breath dude is just going method?
― Number None, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe he was spit-roasted and didn't get a chance to rinse.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
― jed_, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
Reading the first book, enjoying it so much. It's just so readable, and for all the quibbles about his style upthread, I don't think he writes badly at all. Lots of it is very evocative, and his dialogue is often excellent.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 19 November 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
His stylistic tics get worse as the series goes on, imo.
― daschund derrida (Leee), Saturday, 19 November 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
im reading the 5th book now and they still dont bother me tbh
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 19 November 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Oooh that reminds me of questions I have.
― alpaca althusser (Leee), Saturday, 19 November 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
i realized our household has HBO on demand about a week ago, and watched all of Season 1 since then. i've never read the books (and don't really plan to) so i can't speak to how closely the series adheres to the text, but this show is awesome, obv. watching it is so enjoyable that the relatively minor flaws really stand out. i didn't really feel like going back and reading through 2000 posts, so i'm sure a lot of this has already been discussed:
- boobs! vagina! buttz! penis! thwapping! every episode! i feel like rick santorum or something, but the nudity is a little gratuitous. do the books place such a strong emphasis on sex? i understand there are plot elements that demand sex, but there were several scenes where it was just totally unnecessary and distracting. like the one where the advisor at King's Landing who is extremely cunning and witty and is not a eunuch is delivering a long monologue on the nature of power or something, and meanwhile in the background there are two women working on having sex with a man, trading positions, getting off, moaning, and occasionally he interrupts his monologue to throw them a sex tip or two. what
- Daenerys is really hot, and she really can't act at all. oh well. boobs!
- other actors who can't act but are somewhat exempted from ridicule because they're children: Arya (stop making that goddamn face where your mouth is half open in disbelief and pain! FUCKING STOP IT!) and Sansa (the one who has a boner for Joffrey during the first half of the season.
- a child that can act: Joffrey. he was convincing as a total asshole long before his character took the throne.
- Tyrion is awesome. he stands outs in every single scene he's in.
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Monday, 2 January 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
many friends have posted the vid of Tyrion slapping Joffrey as their favorite TV moment of 2011
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 2 January 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
there's a fair amount of of sex in the books. the ridiculous scene with Littlefinger that you mentioned is completely fabricated for the show though, presumably to meet HBO's boob quota
― ciderpress, Monday, 2 January 2012 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
I've just finished book two. It's probably the most violent thing I've ever read, of course I am completely hooked.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 2 January 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
i've just started book 2. i'm not annoyed by the stylistic tics he mentions (yet?). i actually love daenerys and am disappointed to hear she wasn't well cast in the series. :(
― max, Friday, 14 October 2011 20:44 (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinklol i read GoT on Kindle and on several occasions i had read like 20 (Kindle) pages and barely budged 1%.
― gyac, Saturday, 21 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
been looking at pics of new season 2 cast members...holy shit they are good at casting this thing
― hhhhhh Bill I juste like ertronic thinges (NZA), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOzXsqoJhtE&
― Number None, Monday, 30 January 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
YES!!!
my pal rory is in the trailer.
― jed_, Monday, 30 January 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
Dude who plays the Hound???
― omar leeettle (Leee), Monday, 30 January 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link
yep
― jed_, Monday, 30 January 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tZ0LWGdTq0
^LOL
― jed_, Monday, 30 January 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
(his big breakthrough)
― jed_, Monday, 30 January 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
His face looks much better.
― omar leeettle (Leee), Monday, 30 January 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
(Also wau @ ur famous friends.)
― omar leeettle (Leee), Monday, 30 January 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
amazing news all around!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 January 2012 06:25 (twelve years ago) link
feel like hbo should just produce and send to me all 70 or however many episodes theyre gonna make right now
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 January 2012 06:35 (twelve years ago) link
k so googled rory mccann and his imdb page says he's 6'6" - had to google the guy playing gregor, and he's 7'1"! I just assumed the Lord of Flowers was slight...http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o51/alexandraleaving/tv/game%20of%20thrones/got5_29.jpg
― gyac, Monday, 30 January 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah in the books he's meant to be like eight foot tall
― Number None, Monday, 30 January 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
i kind of don't remember but was renly & loras' relationship so, uh, graphic in the books?
― hhhhhh Bill I juste like ertronic thinges (NZA), Monday, 30 January 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
r mccann i think is lucky, besides the imp i think he's probably the most interesting/dynamic of the adult characters
― hhhhhh Bill I juste like ertronic thinges (NZA), Monday, 30 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Well, Andre the Giant is dead, so. xxp
― Nicole, Monday, 30 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
The Renly - Loras relationship is only very vaguely hinted at in the books. They don't even feature in them very much
― Number None, Monday, 30 January 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i knew gregor was a giant, but for some reason he didn't look that tall onscreen? idk.
ia, sandor clegane's a great character. i really like him in the series too.
― gyac, Monday, 30 January 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
He is one of my favorite characters in the books (and also so far in the series as well).
― Nicole, Monday, 30 January 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Spoilers:
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lys7tmO5Y91qkt4rto1_500.png
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
I love Maisie Williams so much.
I guess I need to add that it's an admiring, very very platonic sort of love.
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
good save.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
New trailer!
Not enough Brienne, though.
― Nicole, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
That looks great.
I really like Varys in the tv series.
― gyac, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
eeeeee can't wait!
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Feel like I'm gonna hate Joffrey even more this season
― encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
haha yes you will
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
The actor who plays him has ruined Batman Begins for me, because I end up thinking Batman is an asshole for saving a child who is clearly pure evil.
― Nicole, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Hating Joffrey is like an absolute condition already...like pregnancy, or death.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
A bunch of still from the new season
― encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
I think Ramsay Bolton is the only character more hateable than Joffrey, but he's not in it yet.
― Nicole, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
i have no doubt Michael McElhatton is going to kill at as Roose Bolton
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
The red woman and Stannis look great.One of my friends alerted me to a tvtropes page of wild guesses for the series, worth a look for lols. Plenty of spoilers obviously.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/ASongOfIceAndFire
― gyac, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
Reading Storm of Swords, Dany's arc is so fuckin bad-ass in this one so far.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
I've been powering through the books over the last several months and am just about to wrap up Dance with Dragons, but I haven't seen the tv show yet. I asked for the blu-ray set for a birthday present, but my wife thinks I'm crazy for wanting to own it.
What do you think? Is it worth it? Does it have re-watchability?
― Moodles, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
I've watched the series 3 times through all the way through. The second time through clarified a lot of things (I totally missed that those were dragon skulls) and the third time was fun. Good rewatchability imo.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
through through through
http://images.hitfix.com/photos/1084816/Liam-Cunningham_gallery_primary.jpg
"we have one activity planned: not getting killed."
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
okay seriously
http://www.celebritytattoodesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/nick-offerman-tattoo-pic.jpg
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
Dany's arc is so fuckin bad-ass in this one so far
― more like slayla (NZA), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
i think as far as the books v the tv show goes, i've discovered that having to see sansa's face while she goes through all this shit makes me not think she deserves it all quite so much
― more like slayla (NZA), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
You think she deserves it?
― Nicole, Friday, 10 February 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
Sansa's really sympathetic on the page once you get past Ned's death.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
i thought she deserved it right up until the point where joffrey took her out on the wall to see her father's head (shit did that happen by this point in the tv series? i don't remember), and from that point on she is pretty much the only character i truly feel sorry for
― more like slayla (NZA), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago) link
everyone else in some way or other is capable of defending themselves (this makes me feel WORSE for her btw)
― more like slayla (NZA), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
really wanted Sansa to push Joffrey off that raised walkway. I think I'm totally gonna feel bad for her this next season. Actually I'm going to feel bad for everybody who has to deal with Joffrey.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
― more like slayla (NZA), Friday, February 10, 2012 1:21 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Boom.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
Ygritte Ygritte Ygritte
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2011/10/10/rose-leslie_320.jpg
― calstars, Friday, 10 February 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
it's the lassie from downton abbey!
― jed_, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
New trailer!Not enough Brienne, though.― Nicole, Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Nicole, Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I see Jon Snow still hasn't learned to keep his mouth closed.
― omar leeettle (Leee), Friday, 10 February 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
I see Jon Snow has fully retained all education on how to be the hotttest though
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
Translation: more shaving scenes?
― omar leeettle (Leee), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
<3 Jon Snow
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
He's kinda cute in a sullen way.
Stannis looks exactly as I pictured him from the books.
― adolf jingle bells (latebloomer), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
Liam Cuningham is perfect for Davos as well.
The one big miscasting step they've made so far, which I've been realising more as I've been reading the books, is Jorah Mormont. A fairly important character played by an utter ham.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
I actually like the guy playing Jorah, he's dashing and suave. (Definitely beats casting him as a lol bear, imho.)
― omar leeettle (Leee), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
hah, i like iain glen, but he's definitely a weird choice for the character. too aristocratic, too handsome. it's gonna be interesting seeing how he tackles some of the later material...
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
To me he comes across as a guy trying way to hard to be dashing and suave. Just don't like him.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
ive seen him in some other stuff and i think hes just like that all the time tbh
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
You know, the one downside of having watched the show and then having read the books is that for Dany's Westerosi companions, I hear TV Jorah's voice for all of them, so for me at least Iain Glen is tapping some archetypal Trusted Advisor mojo.
― omar leeettle (Leee), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
i don't understand this point of view at all. she's a child, she's a bit silly, she's scared. what the fuck did she do to merit what joffrey does to her? joffrey is a fucking monster. no reasoning needed.she went to court to plead her dad's case. she didn't get stupid ned stark killed, that was all joffrey's impulsiveness.
considering the characters on offer, she is way, way down the list as far as being hateful goes.
― gyac, Friday, 10 February 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
and tv Jon is hot but I prefer Jaime.
― gyac, Friday, 10 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
The way Sansa treats Arya in the first book borders on horrible, right up to the point when all of the actually horrible people step up and say "no see, this is how it's actually done". It's more a recalibration of scale and expectations than Sansa really "deserving" any of the things that happen to her.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
Sansa is horrible to Arya the way sisters are horrible to each other. She starts off as less sympathetic than her sister, sure. But Arya turns into kind of a weird psycho and she doesn't (nb, I really like Arya).
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 11 February 2012 06:24 (twelve years ago) link
no spoilers!!!
― encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 11 February 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I know that's vague and all but let's just be careful.
Yeah, sorry.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 11 February 2012 06:28 (twelve years ago) link
I've only seen the first season, and I've never read the books, but my take on Sansa was that she was totally into the 'being a princess' idea and all her shittiness came from there. I felt much more sympathy after Ned died.
But Sansa is really great because it provided one of my favourite moments, which was her saying she didn't want Joffrey to be noble and great and worthy and the subsequent look and smile Ned and Arya gave each other.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 11 February 2012 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
i think people find sansa dislikeable because she is written as oblivious and stupid to a remarkable degree
really all the kids are written as already being little adults or have arcs where they mature in completely random, arbitrary ways. actually there's one big exception to that, and he's the one who doesn't get to be pov, which makes an unfortunate kind of sense.
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Saturday, 11 February 2012 12:34 (twelve years ago) link
she is her father's daughter - naive and way too trusting.
― gyac, Saturday, 11 February 2012 13:04 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think ned is trusting so much as he goes 'ah, x is untrustworthy' and is incapable of the necessary mental work to be able to work out what that means he have to do and how x is going to attempt to stab him in the back down the line -- this makes him one of the more interesting characters i think
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Saturday, 11 February 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
hmmm maybe; he's not exactly like "oh i will trust this blatantly untrustworthy person" so much that he realises this, has no way of coping with ~intrigues and ~plotting, and has to rely on the only people who have talked to him about his worries/fears ie littlefinger etc.
his conversation with cersei where he reveals he knows her kids are Jaime's is this blinding example of it; not trust, but what did he think was going to happen?!
― gyac, Saturday, 11 February 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
but what did he think was going to happen
That they would leave Westeros!!
― omar leeettle (Leee), Saturday, 11 February 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2011/2/11/official-pronunciation-guide-for-game-of-thrones.html
lol:
Hodor - HO-dor
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150540111247734.376925.74133697733&type=1&_fb_noscript=1
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
sad to see they ignored the all-consuming issue of the correct pronunciation of 'maester'
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Sunday, 12 February 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
Maester Luwin - MAY-ster LOO-winMaester Pycelle - MAY-ster PY-sell
― Moodles, Sunday, 12 February 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
Heh I was just watching part of a bad Syfy movie (Triassic Attack) and spotted the actress that plays Daenerys.
― Nicole, Sunday, 12 February 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz8kbzFucJ1r4nutwo1_500.png
― omar leeettle (Leee), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 06:15 (twelve years ago) link
I get extreme bowel cramps everytime I think about Dany eating raw organs
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
also wtf
was reminded recently that Tom McCarthy directed the original, mostly scrapped pilot for this.
Jennifer Ehle played Catelyn and Tamzin Marchant played Daenarys.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
tyrion was played by verne troyer
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
spoilers all over the comments of those facebook photos. sigh.
― owenf, Thursday, 16 February 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
That heart was made of 3 lbs of gummi bears, fyi.
― omar leeettle (Leee), Friday, 17 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
shut...up
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 February 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone played this?
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Game-of-Thrones-Board-Game.jpg
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
I have. in my dreams.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
shut...up:D
I am serious! http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-dvd-bonus-features-video-emilia-clarke-285357
― omar leeettle (Leee), Saturday, 18 February 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
This one sincerely lolzy:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzkk5fWX8Z1r4nutwo1_500.jpg
― omar 13337713 (Leee), Sunday, 19 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
I don't understand it.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Ser Pounce == a kitteh. I forget which book he shows up in, but it's not the first, oops spoilers.
― omar 13337713 (Leee), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
I've read up to the third and I don't recall Ser Pounce. It wouldn't be surprising if he's been in it and I've forgotten, I have trouble keeping track of all the human minor characters.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
"ship"?
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
idgi
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
lol u guys are old or else I'm an internet shut-in.
― omar 13337713 (Leee), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
a little from column A...
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
I am old, so you're at least half right.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
lol xp
waitaminute
― omar 13337713 (Leee), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
<3
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
Get it now, I'd never heard of shipping used that way before.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
I do a lot of mail order fan fiction. Free shipping!
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuXSwgK2VA
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
okay now i am officially excited about this.i was trying to hold back, but damn, yaay!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah! is there a date for episode one?
― jed_, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
April 1 (no fools)
― Number None, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
great cheers
― jed_, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Watched that season 2 trailer several times. It looks amazing and I haven't even seen season 1 yet. I can't believe I'll be waiting another year for it to hit DVD.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
do people really wait for tv shows to come out on dvd? and if so, why.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
I like a lot of HBO-type shows better in DVD (or Netflix/OnDemand/etc.) form - I want to be able to jump right into the next episode instead of waiting a week.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
Me too. I've been waiting for the first season to come out on blu ray so I can watch it over and over in glorious hi def
― Moodles, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:52 (twelve years ago) link
Don't really have the time or inclination to mess with torrents or something similar.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
Torrents are so easy!
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
not easy enough for me and I can't watch them on my TV
― Moodles, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
hm well it seems up to personal preference then. i watch everything on my computer anyway. which i realize is abhorrent to people who have nice TVs. i will admit that watching movies/tv on a real tv is better (tho not like mindblowingly better). but waiting a year to watch new eps of GoTs is far worse imo.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
I have a TV that I can connect to the Internet/stream my PC content to
fuck a torrent, tho
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
I can't stand watching stuff on the computer unless I have to --- we have our PS3 networked so Mr Veg can pull the torrents down onto his hard-drive and we can watch via the ps3/tv in the living room. LIVING IN THE FUTURE
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
torrents are my friend
not so much for movies anymore, but for TV it's awesomesauce
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
flagpost me if I ever use that word againsorry
noproblemsauce.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
does the board game have spoilers?
― the jeremy lin of YANIV (cozen), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
only if you play it right.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
For people only now finishing George R. R. Martin's "A Storm of Swords" and who want to talk about it ASOS GRRM ASOIAF
― omar 13337713 (Leee), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
whathttp://kotaku.com/5889930/these-guys-are-building-all-of-game-of-thrones-in-minecraft/gallery/1
― the jeremy lin of YANIV (cozen), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/03/game-of-thrones-seven-devils/
― the jeremy lin of YANIV (cozen), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
I'm rewatching the first season, and I have to confess, I don't mind Ros at all.
― Nude Gingrich (Leee), Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
I can see why she's there, they needed to explain plots/backstory. I hadn't read the books yet when I watched the series and I didn't find her annoying.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
i love the bit in that trailer where john snow says "better than three defeats"
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
thats robb stark actually iirc
― ciderpress, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
You can tell because Robb's mouth isn't hanging open all the time.
― Nude Gingrich (Leee), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Meanwhile over on The Simpsons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=367Nd07eF9E
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0d6jeChFx1qmoxk2o1_500.jpg
Jon Snow looks more and more like Dave Gahan. This is not a compliment.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 5 March 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
To me he comes across as a guy trying way to hard to be dashing and suave. Just don't like him.― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:19 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkive seen him in some other stuff and i think hes just like that all the time tbh― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:19 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
So I was re-watching Doctor Who's "The Time of Angels" and Father Octavian's archly suave and dulcet brogue really reminded me of someone... and sure enough, he's played by Iain Glen!!
― Nude Gingrich (Leee), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
I realized that Iain Glen would be a perfect narrator for a nature documentary, which, come to think, is exactly what the Dothraki scenes are.
― Johnny Favre (Leee), Sunday, 11 March 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
Iain Glen is from what is commonly referred to as 'classic' but in reality is saying lines wistfully and looking into the distance,
― owenf, Sunday, 11 March 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
acting that is
― owenf, Sunday, 11 March 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95B58os7pfk
― ho don't kno I'm bout that skrillex (Pillbox), Monday, 12 March 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://chzsetphaserstolol.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/sci-fi-fantasy-game-of-thrones-cuddly-starks.jpg
Aww.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
That makes me want a Playmobil Game oF Thrones set.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln7qixqfYi1qz4ufvo1_500.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Yep. Just like that.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Just finished Book 2 - whew. Was afraid I'd procrastinate right past the new tv season start.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
Would this be a bad time to let you know some stuff from book 3 is expected to be in Season 2 of the tv show?
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
They're going to need to spread the SoS material around a bit, so freaking much going on in that book.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
surely they have enough stuff from book 2 to squeeze in to 10 episodes without taking anything from 3?
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
They don't want characters to be absent for long stretches like they are in the books, especially as events happen simultaneously.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
trying to avoid spoilers obviously but i didn't think that started happening til much later
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
It amplifies later but is happening a bit in book 2
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
not a bad time at all since I purchased Book 3 as soon as I finished Book 2, I am underway. And more motivated, I might be able to blow it out before tv starts if I put my nose to the grindstone
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
Are you finding them a slog? I breezed through both 2 and 3 in about a week each, about to start 4.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
no I just fell off the wagon with reading in general lately, through sheer laziness. I love the books so far, the end of book 2 made me v teary
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
zomg u will be like o_O for 3!!
Btw, just finished episode 8 of my rewatch, and everything the Greatjon sez is so much lolz.
― Johnny Favre (Leee), Thursday, 15 March 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
I can't afford the blu-rays (;_;), so I'm rewatching on HBOGO with the interactive features, and everytime there's a little video of Martin explaining some family history I can't help but lol.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 15 March 2012 06:50 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, incredibly well thought out backstories - even if I have issues with his take on chivalry - but you know...nerd expounding on his world like its real.
will add that I never really appreciated Arya and Ned's relationship, but it might be my favourite on this rewatch. "What were you doing in the dungeon?" "...chasing cats."
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 15 March 2012 07:21 (twelve years ago) link
Ned and Arya together were so great...his fake-disapproval of her behaviour when he saw so much of himself in her, it was beautiful
Reminds me of Atticus & Scout in To Kill A Mockingbird, ie Peck and Badham in the movie.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
okay, i just watched the whole season this evening front to back. this was good!
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 March 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
I just started rewatching on a whim this afternoon, already at ep3 :D
We should poll the characters at some point, so many good ones to choose from!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
Welcome forks! <3
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, March 19, 2012 4:34 AM (8 hours ago)
I was thinking of doing a poll of the POV characters from the books at some point.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 19 March 2012 12:49 (twelve years ago) link
called my sister to tell her i was watching this and
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
I tell her I'm only on episode four and the first thing she says is oh man i can't wait for the dragons in season 2, no spoilersi'm like dude, that was a big spoilerand she's like yeah but it was on the cover of entertainment weeklymoral: my sister can be a jerk sometimes
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 March 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but she said no spoilers
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
if you couldn't figure out this was going to have dragons in it you're a fucking moron
― thomp, Monday, 19 March 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, that was overly hostile
I'm finding Feast for Crows a bit slow so far after the insanity of SoS.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 19 March 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
uh, i knew there were gonna be dragons, just didn't need to spend the next seven episodes waiting for dragons to show upor for ned to die for that matter. damn you internet
So if i wanted to just jump into book 2 right now, having done nothing other than watch the first season, I could do that and keep up with the plot on paper just fine?
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 March 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
Yes.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think you should though
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
Book 1 and S1 are essentially exactly the same, except the book has more background detail, lots of extended scenes etc. But I still really enjoyed reading the book despite having seen the show relatively shortly before. You also get more insight into the characters' thoughts and motivations.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
sooooo... start with book one?
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
yes
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 19 March 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
Not compulsory but recommended.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
why did I buy the DVDs and not the blu rays
― byan wein (cozen), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
dude what is wrong wit u 4 real
I ain't got no dough so I've been watching the episodes online with the interactive features. It explains loads of little things about the histories that I didn't know. I'll be the Blu is stacked with that shit.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92ukx0A2fk&feature=player_embedded
― polyphonic, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
omg that is fantastic
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't watched with the commentaries yet
The idea of a commentary track done by the kids is delightful but I am not looking forward to their analyses of the various sexposition scenes.
― polyphonic, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
oh that's the SHOW'S kids? neat.
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 March 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCWv3Taky4Q
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
omg ♥ the kids so much.
― Johnny Favre (Leee), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
so cute and lolreminds me of my brothers and i audio taping ourselves singing along to the radio
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
I think that this is the typical reaction, unless I'm mistaken.
― Johnny Favre (Leee), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago) link
ya same feeling here... it's taking me a lot more time to go through Feast for Crows than it took to read the previous three. the focus is really too much on characters i don't really care about i guess.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, there are only two POV characters I'm heavily invested in in this one.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
maybe dumb q, but is the 'will this just be for nerds?' a specific like thing? aside from if obv being fantasy/lol @ d&d or w/e? if not, the dude who wrote the EW article lurks ilx
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
cersei lannister is hilar on the commentary
she swears like a banshee
― byan wein (cozen), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
Hah, when I was watching an episode tonight, I couldn't help but here the kids singing over the title credits again.
― Johnny Favre (Leee), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:43 (twelve years ago) link
I am going to be so mad at Tebow if his trade to the Jets gives GRRM a fatal heart attack.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
lol OTM
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
Mood: http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/mood/charitycam/aliens/anxious.gif distressed
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Everyone in the Seven Kingdoms is excited about the NFL playoffs.
The wildlings and the men of the Night's Watch and even some northmen are all pulling for the Giants, of course. But in the Vale of Arryn and the Mountains of the Moon, they're Falcons fans.
The Lannisters are cheering on Detroit, even if the lion is the wrong color, but some of the smallfolk of Lannisport on its western bay are fond of those 49ers. The High Septon and all the septa and septons and devout of the realm are for the Saints.
The butchers and tanners of King's Landing and Oldtown are behind the Packers, the smiths and armorers are with the Steelers. At the Citadel of Oldtown, the archmaesters and the Conclave are all about the Ravens, but across the narrow sea the khals and Dothraki horselords are screaming and whistling for the Broncos. In Volantis, the tigers are Bengals backers; the elephants are rooting for whoever plays the Bengals.
Nobody anywhere knows what a 'Texan' is, but a few Dornishmen might support them anyway, just to be perverse.
One commonality unites all the Seven Kingdoms, and the lands beyond. Everyone everywhere hates the Patriots, and Evil Little Bill.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
marshawn lynch, wildling mode...
― Ⓣⓗⓐⓝⓚ。:.゚ヽ(。☉౪ ⊙♡)ノ゚.:。+゚ Ⓨⓞⓤ☆ (cozen), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
Ted Hendricks was definitely from beyond the wall
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
that livejournal can't be real, right? because if it was wouldn't it be flooded with posts urging grrm to get the fuck back to work already
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
its real, he posts to it CONSTANTLY
― max, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
i believe he deletes those posts
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
Tim Tebow, the worst quarterback in the National Football League
No longer Alex Smith!! ^_^
― Johnny Favre (Leee), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
this trade is a mummers farce. do the jets really must needs tebow?
― are chads electorate (brownie), Thursday, 22 March 2012 12:28 (twelve years ago) link
lmao brownie
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 22 March 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, GRRM is a massive dork. No surprise I guess.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
I had no idea Bronn was in Robson & Jerome until now, I never heard their music but I remember the NME and Melody Maker hating them sooo much.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
best to remain ignorant
― Number None, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
It seems wise.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Imagine two mediocre singers doing Unchained Melody. Now you have it exactly.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
Extensive Dinklage interview:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/magazine/peter-dinklage-was-smart-to-say-no.html
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
dinksclusive
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
As if I didn't love that man enough already. Great stuff, thanks Ned!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
Clearly a dude.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
good piece.
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
I've had a crush on him since Station Agent. He's the best.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
SHUT IT DOWN.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 29 March 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
But just 10 days after moving, Dinklage was back in Brooklyn, playing a “bitchy barista” in “A Case of You,” a small-budget romantic comedy written by his friend, the actor (and “I’m a Mac” pitchman) Justin Long.
i would love to see this
― humba (NZA), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Somewhat scathing review in the New York Times still considers this a show for Dungeons and Dragons fans and no one else.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
Also fans of Expository Whoring obv
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
sexposition(tm)
his thoughts on tiptoes are v inneresting
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
seriously though: critics disparaging the show for plotting missteps and tone apparently have no interest in taking a look at the source material at all?there's a lot of "man they killed ned, what a disaster for hbo" and my understanding is that uh like everybody dies on this fucking show
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
seems like for season one that almost astonishingly neatly every 100 pages of the first book equaled one episode. so i assume same holds true for season two?
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
y'know what else had a ton of characters and no real central figure? The Wire
― Number None, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
according to the article ned linked dinklage is signed on for SIX seasons...there are only five completed books, and grrm doesn't show any signs that he is hurrying to finish the books.
― humba (NZA), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
soooo i guess that means they will eventually get off the 1 book/1 season wagon?
― humba (NZA), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
they're going to have to do book three over two seasons definitely
― Number None, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
Last season critics only got four episodes as well, as the reviews were decent but not terribly enthusiastic, basically saying the exact same thing (too many characters, too much exposition, not enough to latch onto) but by Episode 6 it was all coming together a treat and it just sort of barrelled beautifully towards the finale.
It also seems to miss the point of Ned's arc. It was really shocking for me when it happened, but the best thing about it (and this is similar to Boardwalk Empire last season) is that when you look back, it makes total sense. Ned was honest and noble and very likeable and human and the audience could really latch onto him, but for all those reasons he was terrible at the politics and died for it. It would seem ridiculous to expect someone else to take up the "good guy main character" mantle.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
I think they'd be lucky to get 5 seasons out of this. It's hugely expensive and even as it is a pretty decent hit I'm not sure it can sustain. I seem to recall an interview with the creators who were asked about catching up with the books, and they said they had consulted with GRRM and they have an outline of how it all ends.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
then again creators swearing they have an ending is always suspect these days
xp i thought that's what his son was doing, just less charismatically
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
but there's no way they could do the ending on the show before the books finish. there'd be a nerd uprising
― Number None, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
re: staying power - i guess we'll know how popular this show is based on the season 2 premiere numbers and that's likely to sway how long they keep the thing going. If it gets sopranos numbers, i imagine it'll be on for ten years.
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
If this season is a solid improvement ratings wise and that holds up for the rest of the seasons there's no way HBO won't greenlight it through the end. That's a given unless public interest suddenly plummets.
― abcfsk, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
Imagine if we're onboard for the longest running tv show ever
how great would that be
i don't want this show to ever end
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
i think the simpsons kinda have that one locked downbut yeah, i'd be curious to see how this changed over the course of a decade as actors got way older
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
i think the simpsons kinda have that one locked down
lol are you kidding?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-running_United_States_television_series
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
i thought i read they were going to start blurring the lines between the books at the end of this season, and messing a bit more with the chronology, in order to fit everything in neatly and pace the 3rd book properly
― ciderpress, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
"longest running non-news/non-soap narrative show"/pedant
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
sixth season is based on GRRM's LJ
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
longest running direwolf/incest/hodor drama
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
uh, meet the press, duh
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
peh that's boring grownup shows, we're talking about TEE VEE here forks
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
gonna get some good play from thishttp://i.imgur.com/8ZkUi.gif
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol p sure that nyt review is some omega level trolling
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
nah it's a pale shadow of the one from last year
― Number None, Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
Can I put this in here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxL8SbZzM4A
― She Got the Shakes, Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/tv-review-game-of-thrones-season-two-review.html
MZS on Season 2.
I am so fkn stoked.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
The other night I got super high and talked myself into buying the Blu-Rays for season 1 for some reason. I can't even loan them out to people because no one has a blu-ray player. smh
― polyphonic, Friday, 30 March 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
do you?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 30 March 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
What a mummer's farce.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 30 March 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
man stoked for season 2 to start. i started reading the books about a month ago and now i'm less than 200 pages from finishing them. the new season will be help me come down gently... until it finishes and i realise we are no closer to getting book 6.
― Jibe, Saturday, 31 March 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
Seven help me, I'm bored.
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1tq0cbm5A1qbypg1o1_500.jpg
― Office Tebow (Leee), Sunday, 1 April 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
TEN MINUTES
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 2 April 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
Dinklage gets first billing now! :)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
I was wondering if he would!
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
Not gonna check this thread till I've got my torrent tomorrow morning now. Though I broadly know what's going to happen as I've read Clash of Kings.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
Two Skins actors now
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
LOL that was her! The infamous WS pick that will never go away? I knew it. But . . . who's the other one?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
Robert's bastard with the bull helmet.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
and yes, I couldn't stop chuckling about that infamous photo.
Oh, really? Do you know which skins character he was? I think I've seen every season but the most recent. Hmm.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
Oh wow, I just looked it up he was Chris from the first season. He was one of my favorites. Huh!
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
what girl from Skins?
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Lp6CnBZRsHg/SmnC_pJ3PpI/AAAAAAAAFEE/UZvGJfckmfc/s400/pictures-of-Hannah-Murray-cassie-skins-1075991_510_383.jpg
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
lol you couldn't help yourself, huh?
She only had one line tonight, I think.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
I figured that would be her only presence in the series.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
no, she'll be back
lol didnt realize THAT was the pic
i get so excited watching this with my wife because she's never read the book and i hear her comments about where she sees characters going... lol
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 April 2012 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
When I saw her all I could think of was that dumb pic and I was just dying. Yeah, she's going to be a regular character iirc.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 2 April 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
NEEDS MORE ARYA.
― Office Tebow (Leee), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
Arya/Gendry/Jon Snow
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
Needs More in general imo. I know it's got to set everything up but now that it's a bit of a sprawl I want more time per episode :(
I'm now at the point where everything Joffrey does, I savour it, because his demise MUST be inevitable.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
POWER is power scene was A+
Kinda love Cersei when she's put on the back foot, she's so much more dangerous
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
That scene was great, but I think it was a desperate move to prove something to herself. I hope Tyrion pisses Joffrey and Cersei off a lot.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
IKR?!
And god, I was hoping for a repeat of the Tyrion slapping scene, but the little POS Joff started throwing his weight around OMG, it made me feel almost bad for her.
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1u6qcGEuZ1qbypg1o1_500.jpg
― Office Tebow (Leee), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
That scene was great, but I think it was a desperate move to prove something to herself.
I want to say more, but I'll just say that it's the show making a meta-point about power; the viewers are going to be well-acquainted with the "knowledge is power" cliche, but when you've got mindlessly obedient guards with you, then that's just a cliche and nothing more.
― Office Tebow (Leee), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
I got that vibe, but as it happened soon after her getting a talking down by Joffrey I assumed that part of it had to do with her trying to prove herself.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:39 (twelve years ago) link
Before watching this episode I hadn't really anticipated how much I'd enjoy the Dragonstone crew and their antics, but now I'm sure they'll be my favorite part of the season.
― abcfsk, Monday, 2 April 2012 10:53 (twelve years ago) link
Stannis and Davos are both spot on, though Melisandre could be a bit scarier.
Only just realised in this one that King's Landing is clearly Dubrovnik.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 2 April 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
Melisandre's a lot younger than I pictured
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
Also sad to see her ruby doesn't shine as much as I thought it would when she drinks poisoned wine :(
― Jibe, Monday, 2 April 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
people be downloadin
http://i.imgur.com/QhHQ2.png
― lag∞n, Monday, 2 April 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
the only thing w/more seeds is 'Billy Van Dubstep Media Bundle'
― lag∞n, Monday, 2 April 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
uhhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-satran/game-of-thrones-season-2-premiere-power-ranking_b_1396372.html
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
2nd ep out there as well?
― just sayin, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
I seriously fell a little bit in love with Cersei at the "power is power" scene
I mean, I know I shouldn't, and yet that was fucking baller
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
she's kind of the bomb when she's pissy
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1u2m4E1iK1qd0q92o10_r1_250.gif
Like a boss.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
that head tilt is the best fucking thing
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
she just needs some finger snaps and she'll be the BOSS
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
ridin steel thrones like i was a lannister
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
cried with laughter at that littlefinger gif upthread.
btw i know it's a common reaction but god i hate joffrey.
my friend pointed out he looks like this aging irish politician
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTmMkEU3yBY0lhh6-1Qr2Il58a-4hkNauCZpFSiz5u-a52_zzSaZA
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
glad they aren't cging the direwolves...crucial
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
the kid actors on this show are so fucking good
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah no kidding, they're all stellar
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
i feel bad for the kid that's playing joffrey because for the rest of his life he'll have to be the kid that played joffrey
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah def thought Melisandre was ... subdued. I think what the show runners are thinking is if they make her too obviously EVIL upon meeting her you'd wonder why anyone around Stannis would support him, rather than fleeing or rushing her with knives.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
Joffrey-kid should hang out with Draco-kid
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
they're gonna have to do what Papa Malfoy did for Awake and only accept roles where they can stipulate that the character has super dark hair
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't really understand what was going on with the poisoned wine. He was trying to poison her, right? Why exactly did it go so wrong?
― silverfish, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 12:34 (twelve years ago) link
because she is magic
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 12:39 (twelve years ago) link
She is Dread Pirate Roberts.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 12:39 (twelve years ago) link
Joffrey goes to Trinity too. Pure evil
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:11 (twelve years ago) link
was she in the first season, too many damn characters in this show, there was a guy i just did not remember at all who clearly factored in the first season, he is the brother of the murdered original fat whoring king i guess, he was complaining in his castle abt how he doesnt get no respect then he sent out that nasty letter
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
ya i dont think he was in season 1, or book 1
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
his name is stannis
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah stannis was mentioned a bunch in season 1 but doesn't get properly introduced until now
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
he is actually one of the best characters imo
None of those characters were in the first season. Although the dead King's brother (Stannis) was alluded to
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
his NAME... is STANNIS.
― max, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
also very happy to see carice van houten from paul verhoeven's blackbook
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
Stannis looks a bit like an older version of Statham, I approve.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
I briefly got my book characters mixed up so for the first minute or so of the beach scene, I thought Davos was Stannis
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
a coworker just got his hands on the 2nd ep!will be watching over lunch. :D
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it's on the torrents. Gonna watch it tonight
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
Me too!
I was excited to see Carice van Houten was Melisandre. Must admit I crushed out majorly on her pagan witch-mayor in Black Death.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
Someone I know could get access to all but the last 4 episodes but we all decided not to do it. Would rather have the weekly watchin' ritual.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
send them my way
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
plz
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
*holds head up high*
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
thx 4 the infos re STANNIS dudes, glad to hear my memory of westeros is intact
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
Stannis doesn't look grumpy enough but I haven't really seen enough of him to properly judge.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
they are so thronesy with casting now that i immediately assumed i'd seen stannis and davos before tbh
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
― just sayin, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:55 (Yesterday) Bookmark
oh shit man i hate these judgement calls :[
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
well it's gonna be on in like five days anyway...
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:54 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
otm!
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
ya, just watched it on my lunch! (will not spoilzor)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
she is such a babe imho
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
backing u up on this
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
Wow well I appreciate her as an actress, you horndogs.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
bwahaah
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
one thing about having read the source material for this show is that i'm not so impatient for the next episode and can really bask in all the blood and titties come alive
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
don't know if any of you have HBOGo on your iPads but the interactive feature thing for this show is pretty awesome.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
will try it
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
Hey no one has yet mentioned but
DOLOROUS
MF'ing
EDD
― Office Tebow (Leee), Thursday, 5 April 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't really understand what was going on with the poisoned wine. He was trying to poison her, right? Why exactly did it go so wrong?― silverfish, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 5:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― silverfish, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 5:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
They changed this up from the book (he spikes the wine, offers it to her first, she drinks, then he drinks), but it seemed like in this scene he's going for a murder-suicide thing (maybe killing someone is dishonor enough to make him unfit to be a maester).
― Office Tebow (Leee), Thursday, 5 April 2012 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
ha in the book he offers it to her but she knows he's trying to poison her so she says she'll drink but he'll have to drink with her too. she gives him the glass and kinda smiles at him knowing that he's gonna die.that whole scene is quite entertaining. i also like how we glimpsed the table thats actually a map of westeros though they could have let us have a better look at it.
― Jibe, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
I had no idea how far east Vaes Dothrak was until I saw the HBO map.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:18 (twelve years ago) link
westeros table is rad, as was the octopus fireplace, feel like theyve stepped up the set design this season from what was already v awesome
― lag∞n, Thursday, 5 April 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
It's a KRAKEN. Sorry
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
octopus fireplace and dragon walls were both pretty awesome!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 5 April 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
loved the burning statues
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
map table was easily best thing in episode for me
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
On the real, I haven't read the books but as soon as Cersei called the guards on Littlefinger I turned to my BF and said "she is gonna be all like "POWER is power, bitch"."
This is not a testament to my predictive talents so much as that writing dialogue for slightly cheesy machinistic modern soapies is basically my number one fantasy job.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 April 2012 04:17 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 April 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah you could sort of telegraph it but she really went to town on it with the whole "close your eyes" slightly ludicrous stuff.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Saturday, 7 April 2012 10:45 (twelve years ago) link
also power is hot
she didn't need to say that bit
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Saturday, 7 April 2012 10:46 (twelve years ago) link
i dont get why she told them to turn around and close their eyes
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
coulda told them to hop on one foot, same difference
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
anyone watched ep2? more like game of porn
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
i keep the wiki open on my phone while watching to know who the fuck everyone is or is talking about.
cool how ep2 threw in a lil incest foreplay just for kicks
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
i mean how many eps since last incest, fans demand incest
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Saturday, April 7, 2012 10:45 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I wasn't complaining! It was an intuitively necessary statement. Sometimes a show having predictable dialogue is actually a good thing, it's like a sports player seeing an opening and taking it and scoring.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
but if they were already turned around, why did their eyes need to be closed? shouldn't she have said "cover your ears"?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
man she was just being theatrical
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
tbf all the incesty stuff is direct from the books
― Number None, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
oh the books!
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Saturday, April 7, 2012 3:23 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no kidding.
the "sexposition" is getting kinda ridic at this point. also some interesting changes/embellishments to the story. it's kinda exciting to see what they change and what they don't!
― Teenage Mutant Ninja Body Image (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
They must have some plans for Ros, cos for a character that doesn't appear in the books she sure gets a lot of screen time.
― Number None, Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
I think she's there mostly for the non-pov characters to have someone to talk to
― Teenage Mutant Ninja Body Image (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
non-pov characters in the book, that is
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m26kfgPEwY1qbypg1o1_1280.jpg
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
it's kinda exciting to see what they change and what they don't!
yeah, its been a while since i've read book two, but i'm pretty sure the end of this episode was a pretty big departure from the book
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 April 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
yes. My wife and I were both like, "what?"
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 9 April 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
so glad that patchface isn't in this
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 9 April 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
Taking this less and less seriously as the show progresses. It really does seem to be targeted at 14-year old boys.
― calstars, Monday, 9 April 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
Jon takes after Ned, doesn't he?
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:33 (twelve years ago) link
btw the tumblrs are whining about the show departing from the books, those big babbies should be careful Craster doesn't leave them out in the wilderness.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't read the books, but I hope they do depart from them because goodness gracious this is too sprawling at the moment. I know it probably has to be that way for a bit, but I'm hoping it coalesces at some point and we have a coming together.
Still glad that they keep moments like Robert's bastard's "I sold armour" line.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol yes that was A+++, both of Gendry's scenes were great.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
im happy when it departs because i dont know what exactly is going to happen and also tbh the books do peter out after 3 so if they're planning on fixing that, im onboard
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 9 April 2012 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the second ep kinda sucked to be honest. it was like they decided they need to show how cruel and ugly and dehumanising this world is, particularly to women, and "they did you notice that the first time? COS IF NOT HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF IT! oh you missed that one did you? WELL HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE AND IT'S EVEN LESS SUBTLE, HOW ABOUT MORE ROUGH ANAL SEX? LOOK AT HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE MERE OBJECTS, HER, HER AND HER TOO, LOOK."
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 April 2012 10:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/apr/09/game-of-thrones-season-two-episode-two?newsfeed=true
good lord, since when does the guardian do this sort of thing
can someone tell me what the change from the books was? also, i wonder why they decided season two episode two was the time for ti
― thomp, Monday, 9 April 2012 11:42 (twelve years ago) link
it was like they decided they need to show how cruel and ugly and dehumanising this world is, particularly to women, and "they did you notice that the first time? COS IF NOT HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF IT! oh you missed that one did you? WELL HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE AND IT'S EVEN LESS SUBTLE, HOW ABOUT MORE ROUGH ANAL SEX? LOOK AT HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE MERE OBJECTS, HER, HER AND HER TOO, LOOK."
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, April 9, 2012 6:48 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was like WE GET IT ALREADY JESUS. There was just way I much fucking in that one. I know it's HBO but still. :/
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 9 April 2012 11:54 (twelve years ago) link
i much
too much
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 9 April 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago) link
can someone tell me what the change from the books was
I don't think Stannis and Melisandre were sleeping together in the books. In fact Stannis comes across as very non-sexual, he's married and has a daughter so he's obviously had sex with his wife at least once but probably only out of duty. It seemed out of character for him.
― Dust, Monday, 9 April 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago) link
Nah, it is kind of implied that they're doing it, just very obliquely. Much like Renly and Loras.
― Number None, Monday, 9 April 2012 12:51 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, but it is somewhat alluded to in the books. I forget who, but they commented on Stannis's disinterest in/impatience with his wife, and all the time he has for the younger, more beautiful Melisandre.
But then again he doesn't have a wife or family in this does he?
― gyac, Monday, 9 April 2012 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
Melisandre mentioned his wife being locked up in her tower
― Number None, Monday, 9 April 2012 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
Ty, I haven't seen the second episode (or missed that from the first!)
― gyac, Monday, 9 April 2012 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
My reading was that Stannis was desperately keen on a son, not so much horny for that bod.
― abcfsk, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:07 (twelve years ago) link
it is acknowledged or at least very strongly implied that Stannis and Melisandre got it on in the books at least on one occasion. i mean, i can't say anything without giving a kinda-not-really-spoiler-y detail, but it is right in there. i don't think anything is said about stannis looking to get a male heir thru her tho. certainly her intentions are different.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, in terms of the big 'change', i think ppl are referring to the very end?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
can someone tell me what the change from the books was?
― ciderpress, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:29 (twelve years ago) link
I believe on the Stannis et Melisandre question, that he dreams a sort of murky, magical, succubus-like encounter, and she takes that from him without his full consent. It IS mentioned often that she's taking the Stannis' wife's place at his side, but that's like a transfer of power & authority, not a sign of a sexual liaison.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Monday, 9 April 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ u alls decrying the ack of subtlety in game of thrones
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
i seem to remember them being quite clear that melisandre was getting it on with stannis. in one of the later books someone says that she warms his bed or something like that, which kinda makes it clear what they're doing.
― Jibe, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
sex?
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
Hm I don't remember that being specifically told to us by a reliable narrator? If another character says it, it's just as likely to be their unreliable PoV.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
The Lord Of Light makes a fine hot water bottle.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
― Jibe, Monday, April 9, 2012 11:07 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, April 9, 2012 11:09 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
lmao
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
is there a spoilery thread?
― diamonddave85, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
the book threads are spoilery, though if you haven't read all 5 books i would avoid them
― ciderpress, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
the brothel keyhole-blowjob --> wiping-off-the-corner-of-the-mouth --> deep kiss with new client scene was way over the top
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
^ and that sort of thing doesn't usually bother me that much. I mean, come on, the wiping the mouth this was just gross.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
tbh until just now I thought I had read too much into that bit because I didn't think they would have actually shown that. Gah.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it took me a minute to register that they were really going there
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
even some of the dialogue like what that prisoner said to arya about putting a stick up her anus or whatev, it's a bit gleefully gross.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I'm too desensitised to really find that ott. Genuine lolz at the chain of people spying on other people - as well as that subtext of the ways in which Littlefinger and others use spying/voyeurism etc.
Thinking back this was pretty strong thematically, but I didn't really appreciate that so much while watching it due to jumping from story to story.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
the thing about the wiping of her mouth that made it gross to me was that it was like identifying her as "look, she even needs a man to wipe her mouth for her, she is literally nothing more than a tool for fucking"
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
THAT is otm.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
most of the other fuck scenes in the episode at least involved a major character or had some plot purpose, I think that's one reason it seemed gratuitous
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
but that's the point, surely. that's the set-up for Littlefinger's little speech to Roz.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
the whole episode was really about perceptions/treatment of women
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
yyyyyyeah, kinda
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
I thought this whole episode was boring and terrible, except for the pwning of Theon
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
also the Arya/Gendry show was good, too
I get so excited when a new location pops up on the intro. Iron Islands looked v cool.
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
felt like a recurring theme in the ep to me but wdik
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
The first part (re: dream succubus) is my impression as well, though I do think believe they eventually start doing it, like, carnally.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
Aw cmon, the Davos scene was soooo much yay.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago) link
Davos/Saan scene was worth the whole ep in my opinion
'he cuts off your fingers - and you fall in love with him!'
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
^^
Didn't care for the sullen way the actress played Yara/Asha, who in my mind was much more boisterous.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah now I've read all the books I really notice the reductions they had to pull to get the story to pull together on TV. There's going to be so much that just doesn't make it in.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
by the way do we have a GoT TV thread for people who have read the books?
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think so. You should start it.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I just caught myself from blowing some plot threads and was wondering, cheers
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
though thinking about it it would be about 100 comments of 'I can't believe they cut that, what the hell was wrong with them'
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
That's the normal internet reaction, but if there's anything about us ilxors, we are abnormal.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
I just don't want to spoil somebody's day with something like 'how the hell are they going to shoot X'.
Anyway, with regard to ep, the porn aspects didn't throw me at the time, but thinking about it now I can see they're really trying to shoehorn more and more of these in. But that's kind of an HBO house style thing at this point, isn't it? I kind of expect every scene to begin or end that way.
Tyrion/Slynt scene was most excellent as well. Dinklage was cracking me up.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
as for whether they really 'did it' in the books, grrm is never shy about ppl doing anything, so i can't imagine he'd be coy about this.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
except he was coy about loras and renly fuckin
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
i don't even remember him being coy about it tbh (i don't remember any of the renly stuff from the books really)
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think I ever twigged to it until the TV show!!! Which is pretty dim of me maybe but it WAS very coy.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it wasnt even there is what im saying
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
neither renly nor loras had as much narrative attention on them as stannis, iirc, it would be really weird if stannis & melisandre were supposed to be boning down in the books
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
doesnt grrm make a real point of saying that stannis doesnt even like bone-downing?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
i didnt get renly & loras until the show started having them givin each other mondo blowies, but george says it was there all along, and so when the show has stannis & melly doin it i just assume the same thing
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
in retrospect, there were a bunch of good scenes in this, but I really found it hard to care about them while I was watching
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
my wife only read the first one after season one
it's kind of hilarious, her biggest commentary on the series so far is "everyone was falling all over themselves for CAT????"
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
max - with jerks like you spoiling the plot it should be no problem
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit EDIT EDIT SORRY SHIT EDIT
― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
hahahah
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
Lol max u topped my accidental one from last season, which I STILL feel guilty abt...
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
someone should resurrect one of the books threads for spoiler talk so this doesn't happen
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
everything abt this show is hilarious
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
shadow? wtf max?! OFF WITH HIS FINGERS!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
Pull out his tongue with hot pincers
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
Killed both potential spoilers without reading so let's all be cool just a bit of accident
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
Finally caught up
Uhhhh the mouth-wiping was O_o. I still don't really get why they have to go THAT far with it. Even if they have a must-show-this-many-boobs contract, who decides on face-spooge?
The Theon and Yara reveal was handled really well, and I loved the scenes with Gendry/Arya.
Mr Veg and I got a lot of lols out of Melisandre and Stannis boning down on the war table. Like, dude you couldn't sweep the table before you threw her down?
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO JON SNOW YOU GUYS
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
during the Stannis/Melisandre bonedown I kept thinking "she has hella action figures up her butt"
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
SYMBOLISM
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
Lol DJP I said almost the exact thing to Mr Veg!
too much time on ilx etc
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
"I can give you... a SON! Oh, um... now hold on... hey, ouch, my back... I'm on a mountain range, shit... Agh my spine..."
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
I was thinking the same thing, that particular table would be verrrrry uncomfortable.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
She's impervious to action figure intrusion in the same way she's impervious to poison.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
"I pooped a chesspiece"
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
wait, that means STANNIS has hella action figures up his butt
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
Origin story!
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Collectibles!
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
This show suffers a bit from "you paid for cable, here are your complementary titties" syndrome
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
and splooge and anal etc etc
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
that new redheaded witch lady is super hot I appreciated hbo taking the time to show me her titties, and I feel the gratuitous nudity is totally in keeping w/the overall trashy vibes of the show in general
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
I would like to respectfully decline my complimentary anal titties
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Imagine if hbo had picked up mad men
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
we would have seen hendricks boobs in the opening credits
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
well thank you for the mental image of Christina Hendricks' CGI breasts dropping n-bombs
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
why can't boobs just be boobs, Dan
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
Well, we're talking about an HBO-ified Mad Men, right? The boobs would be chain-smoking, too.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
they already chain smoke in mad men tbf
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
boobs lost in an existential fog
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
of anal
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
ENOUGH, OKAY? Jesus. I know you're all joking but enough of clicking on this thread to see these words, please?
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
It's not making it LESS gross that lots of people want to keep returning to the scenes where women are treated the most dismissively/cruelly and making jokes about their sexualized, dehumanized bodies.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/how-to-be-a-fan-of-problematic-things/
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
lol that url
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
liberal.net/handwringing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
eh, y'know sometimes liberal handwringing is a proper response when you're dealing with this stuff; I generallly agree with this:
Sometimes you still enjoy a movie or book because you read a certain, potentially problematic scene in a certain way – but others read it entirely differently, and found it more problematic. For example, consider the scene in Game of Thrones where Drogo rapes Dany (which he does not do in the books). One of my friends feels that it was portrayed like rape fetish porn, sexualising the act and Dany’s pain. But I feel that the scene focuses on Dany’s pain and tears in a manner that is not fetishising them (though even so the narrative is still totally fucked up because Dany and her rapist then go on to have a good, sexyfuntimes relationship…uh, no, HBO). I don’t agree with my friend’s interpretation but I recognise it as a totally valid reading of the scene.Also, as a fan of problematic media, you need to respect the fact that others may be so upset or angered by media you love that they don’t want to engage with it at all. In fact, one of my best friends won’t watch HBO’s Game of Thrones because of the racism and misogyny. That’s a completely legitimate and valid response to that tv show, and me trying to convince her to give it another shot would be disrespectful and hurtful. If you badger others to see what you see in something when they are telling you it’s not enjoyable for them, you’re being an entitled jerk. You’re showing yourself to be willing to hurt a real person over a television show. That really is a sign you’re taking things too seriously.
Also, as a fan of problematic media, you need to respect the fact that others may be so upset or angered by media you love that they don’t want to engage with it at all. In fact, one of my best friends won’t watch HBO’s Game of Thrones because of the racism and misogyny. That’s a completely legitimate and valid response to that tv show, and me trying to convince her to give it another shot would be disrespectful and hurtful. If you badger others to see what you see in something when they are telling you it’s not enjoyable for them, you’re being an entitled jerk. You’re showing yourself to be willing to hurt a real person over a television show. That really is a sign you’re taking things too seriously.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
For example, consider the scene in Game of Thrones where Drogo rapes Dany (which he does not do in the books)
wait, what
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
haven't read that part in the book dunno where she's going with thatdo they play it up as consensual in print?
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
I always connected that relationship to the one in raise the red lantern in my head, dunno why that made the medicine go down easier, but it did
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
its semi-consensual in the books and very gross, ib elieve weve gone over this before
― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
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― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
lol usage of hrm
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
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― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
yes, she has entirely consensual sex with the person she's just been sold to
ah, xposts
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
tbh i think the guy forks quotes is totally wrong
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
That was one change where the show really bothered me. Like, if I think about that script decision too long I start to feel like, fuck this show.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
thomp, whatcha mean?
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
wow real hott stuff i wish there was some sort of blog post to teach me how to deal w/the complex emotions this prose evokes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
that was the other half of my "wait, what"
okay, i don't think he's totally wrong so much as i think he has a 'difficult' polyamorous relationship and has tried cosplay
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
remember when u read that passage that danaerys is 14 in the books
― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
honestly, the rape scene in season 1 was a real bad move and almost classically hbo in sense that the network seems determined to sell the most controversial product ever. that daenery's chapter above i thought was actually sort of sweet - albeit weirdly graphic - and made me understand how tumultuous his *SPOILERS* death ultimately was
whereas the show depicted the whole relationship like some sort of dragon/horse stockholm syndrome
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
― thomp, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:39 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
shes a woman. Check your kyriarchal privilege at the door, ciscracker scum
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol i actually considered checking but then went 'nah ...'
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
cosplay sexual POVs dnw
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah kelpolaris otm, I really did not like the choices they made wtih Danaerys in the show either, especially in that scene. It was a weird choice to make, and def the wrong one.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
plus, while i don't think martin's really plays in these sort of things, the whole idea of the two men in daenery's life (visery's was his name? "the beggar king" + khal drogo) interfacing with in two entirely different ways kinda gave suggestion that all she ever needed was not to be slapped, twisted, and groped but caressed and gently touched (i'm going "ew" as i write this in a public computer lab) and she was content with her life (as seen by her immediate embrace of the horse-clan-dude's lifestyle after that chapter).
like, she's displayed as a very simple character with admittedly not a lot of thought going on with her and that we are able to infer so much of her psychological state of being (sorry) and where she comes from/who she ultimately is/how she was raised just from these scenes i thought largely defined her. in the show she's raped and then suddenly loves drogo, and the result is that any sort of identification i had with her character is lost b/c i have no idea who the fuck could possibly just reverse mentalities like that w/ so little incentive
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
she just needed to be 'gently caressed', eh
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
in other words: she's sort of like an abused dog. she can't talk and if she couldn't doesn't really have an awful lot to say. drogo is her new owner and treats her far differently and this ultimately wins her over.
i haven't read the sequels yet but hoping that maybe these whole ideas come into play somehow, as they haven't thus far and daenery's is given the weird characteristic of being "the sympathetic queen" which - maybe isn't entirely *unlike* herself, but that she alloted visery's to abuse her for so long and in such a way that maybe she grew somewhat immune to it and the witness of it. i'm not making a lot of sense, but what i'm saying is that i can connect the dots in the book whereas hbo severed what i thought a pretty essential character trademark in the name of making people gasp on their couches
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
they really did away with quite a bit of her early character development, where we see her choosing to shrug off the old Danaerys, like the freedom she experiences horseriding informs her newfound confidence in her relationship with Drogo
I really enjoy her character in the books, and i agree she's definitely been done a disservice in the writing of the tv series, at least early on. She seems to inhabit the strength now, but yeah where it comes from doesn't make sense without a lot of those early moments that they excised or changed.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
VG very much otm, I was trying to explain to my wife the other night that the show isn't really doing her storyline justice so far.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
the actress is p bad and blank too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
are there viewer ratings for season 2 published? kinda curious if people are still watching this considering sean bean is forever absent
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
tbh it sounds like it is doing a pretty good job of underlining and reinforcing what was already implausible and unpleasant about it
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
kel: people are still watching, and it retained pretty much all its viewers from the s2 premiere.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
I don't mind the actress, she seems to have a lot of the characteristics of Dany, and she's handled the adversity storylines really well I think.
it's just a downer when there's a really good female character that gets the shaft because, idk, someone decided she's too pretty to be strong? who knows. I'm not really sure why the choice was made, but it's annoying.
That being said, I enjoy the show for the most part. And as long as they don't fuck with Arya's storyline we'll be cool.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
I think the biggest problem is that the majority of Dany's growth occurs in interior monologue, which is difficult to express in film.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
They should make it like Herman's Head
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
idk she's the leader of her own crew now and has dragons but the actress just doesn't embody any gravitas particularly, occasionally she'll yell BLOOD OF MY BLOOD or w/e but it's not that convincing, maybe this is supposed to be some transitional growin into her role period, or maybe the wiring is bad or w/e but that thread seems a lil vague atm
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
the wut do dragons eat line was funny
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
occasionally she'll yell BLOOD OF MY BLOOD or w/e
also OUR ENEMIES WILL DIE SCREAMING
she's big on that one
― dmr, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'm p pumped for when the dragons get bigger
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
I buy her as the character in the state she has currently reached, it's just that as pointed out above the show did not give us the connective tissue between 'timorously abused' and 'in the flush of power'.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
exactly
how awesome are the baby dragons thoughhave we talked about that
because they are
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
The dragons are great, and the compositing of them into the live action shots is good. Same can't be said about the wolves who are nowhere near as well integrated.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
S2 premiere higher than S1, second week retained virtually all viewers.
It has been renewed for a third season, though it took a week longer than HBO normally does (which is generally as soon as the ratings come in for the premiere episode).
Speculation that there were negotiations to try to lock down a fourth season, as Benioff/Weiss have made it clear they want to stretch Book 3 across two seasons.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't think the wolf in the Jamie scene in ep 1 was very good, but the shot with the girl in ep 2 was pretty great imo.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
why cant they just make all the episodes now, the whole seasons thing is tiring
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
I agree
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if had ten seasons in front of me now how long it would take me to watch them
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I would call in sick and watch them all in one day
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
day = whenever I started to whenever I finishedalso I would purchase one (1) colostomy bag and a lot of snacks
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
I watched the first season in one sitting
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
You could p much burn through 10 seasons in the hospital recovery time after a colectomy (10 days iirc)
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I rewatched the first season in one sitting a couple of weeks before S2 started
I don't have the willpower to go, eh one is enough, I'll watch the next one tomorrow. delayed gratification is for weirdos, lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
Having not read the books, I've heard that book 3 is bonkers (and I think the later books ignore entire characters?) so I hope HBO allows them to write season 3 with the understand that it will be concluded in season 4. Or else I'd imagine that the creators are pulling their hair out right about now.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
no but it has to go forever
I need wolves and dragons
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
According to rumor GRRM has told Benioff/Weiss how the story ends in case Tim Tebow gives him a heart attack and kills him before he finishes the books.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
I feel very pessimistic about the chances for the books or tv show to reach a satisfying conclusion
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
honestly if grrm croaks it'll prob bode well for the TV series tbh. if they've got a plot outline (and the plot is the the series main (sole?) strength), then they can go ahead and shoot stuff without having to wait for another five years in the making 1000page bloat fest
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
I have my doubts, because there are way too many separate story threads going on and I can't see how they can all be tied up. I hope I'm wrong, though. xp
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
westeros is purgatory
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
How much time passes between Game of Thrones and A Dance of Dragons? Are the kids going to age too fast for the story?
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
how long does it take dragons to grow up
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost
I think between those two is like 1 or 2 years
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
Martin has actually said he wishes he made the kids older now
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
I agree with Nicole.
The book series is unusual to me because I've never read anything that was so utterly dependent on a big ending that ties up all the loose ends while blowing your mind at the same time. But by the end of Dance With Dragons, I started feeling very skeptical that this could actually be accomplished.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
i hope this isnt a spoiler but dragons can basically continue growing for as long as they live, as long as they're not confined to a space that will limit their size.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
My Little Pony has confirmed this, yes.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
so why were the last dragons small and deformed? xpost
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
They were inbred.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
and they didn't let them out to play
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
aah. were they trying to keep a bloodline or were they just running out of dragons?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
i heard the last dragons had the power of the glow
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
basically i was just wondering if Dany's dragons are proper dragons or those little fucked up ones. like she finally gets it to fly up and its about to kill someone and then it just coughs up a puff of smoke and sheepishly shrugs.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
the old dragons were kept chained up in a keep, so their size potential was limited
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
Like goldfish.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
well that was silly.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think they really had much use for them at the time?
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
should have used them like Teddy Roosevelt's white fleet of ships. just cruise them around Westeros.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
smh if u cant find a use for dragons
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
If you have flying dragons and you don't spend all of your time flying around on them, well I don't even know what to say.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
'we're all out of Dornish wine, should we take a dragon down there to get some more?' 'nah, we'll walk it...'
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
as long as they're messing with the one book = one season thing, maybe they'll just do all of books 4 and 5 in one episode
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
I think they may try to stretch book 3 over two seasons. OTOH I think they should compress 4 and 5 into one season.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
I was going to say combine them into one season, but that idea is even better. xp
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like moodles' post should have come before mine
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
eh, I missed your comment about one episode, probably not a terrible idea. GRRM was originally going to just do 3 books which would include a 5 year gap in narrative before the conclusion. He decided instead to write out that whole 5 year period, which I think is largely covered in 4 and 5, so probably they can just be skipped right over.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder if they can fix the pacing of Dany's story arc without messing other stuff up, i can't really elaborate in here but it's probably the worst aspect of the books
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
man can we please just have a spoiler/speculation thread?
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
everyone is free to start any threads they want
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
lol this what i get for only looking at my bookmarked threads
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
geebs i think the other thread was started 5 seconds ago because of your complaint, so dont feel dumb that you missed it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
take it in here, guys
THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
that's what we're talking about.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
just thought it should be linked in here for others who just look at their bookmarked threads.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
that was a good un
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 April 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
nice, reasonably subtle, good balance. and Natalie Dormer.
Speaking of which, I don't see it online but SNL did a sketch about a 13 year old boy consulting on the show to add boobies.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 16 April 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
no Daenerys tho :(
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
That's probably a good thing at this stage, the crossing the red waste part of the story is pretty dull. Can't wait for the House of the Undying though!
Really excited to see Brienne - friends in the US said she was fantastic.
― gyac, Monday, 16 April 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
i'm going to go ahead and assume the "House of the Undying" is a band that will be playing midway through an episode; not unlike Saturday Night Live or the Young Ones.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
reasonably subtle
Hmmmm
― Number None, Monday, 16 April 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
The actress who plays Asha Greyjoy disturbs me. She is so odd.
― polyphonic, Monday, 16 April 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Oh I guess she's "Yara" on the show for some reason.
― polyphonic, Monday, 16 April 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
i read somewhere that they thought viewers would confuse her with Osha, so they changed her name
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 16 April 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
O_O @ Brienne skying over Cat.
― Trienne of Barf (Leee), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
where do i apply to marry margaery tyrell.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
proclaim yourself king and she'll do the rest
― poxen, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
i already did :(
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
In retrospect, she was probably a pretty big reason I managed to make it through a season and a half of the Tudors.
I also remember when The Other Boleyn Girl movie came out, she e-mailed into Mark Kermode's radio show on the BBC to correct him on his historical inaccuracies. Not that he had any idea who she was.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
I was pretty stoked to see Ann Boleyn chick in this now.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Agreed that Asha/Yara is a lot different (and less attractive) to how I imagined her. The usual good job on Brienne and Margaery, though.
SPOILERSLooks like they're cutting a fairly big chunk out of Arya's story if she's going straight to Harrenhal.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
And how good is the art direction this season? Pyke castle looks incredible. Everything does.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Considering that a big chunk of Arya's story in book 2 is wandering around the woods, I'm kinda glad they condensed it a bit.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
was really angry at "willem"... so glad the story ended with him getting hurt badly.
will miss that dude's overegged north of england schtick.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
yara is not nearly as hot as i pictured her in the books...also she doesn't hardly look "hard" at all (she's supposed to be a salty seafaring bad-ass, she looks like blossom or something).
however i am so, so pleased with the casting of gilly that i will overlook it.
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
last night in the movie store i overheard the clerks talking about this show and one guy asked "have they got rid of the queen yet?" and oh how i laughed.
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
guys, i really don't think Asha is supposed to be that attractive in the books
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
who wants to join my petition to get some dick into this show
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Littlefinger.
Maybe the wrong kind of dick.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
no I mean like erect penises. major missed opportunity this week.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
arry's a girl, dude
― poxen, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
Tyrion's three-way Myrcella marriage sting wasn't in the book was it? Or if it was there were like several hundred pages of him having huge and lovingly-described feasts with minor nobles between him talking to each of the major players and I didn't really notice what was going on.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
thought that was kinda too obvious a ploy to bring down such seasoned players
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
also like what if more than one of them tells the queen, wouldve been kinda awkward
Tyrion doesn't give a shit about awkward though.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
And Cersei can't do anything against him directly at the moment, because of Tywin's bit of paper.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
you have to figure only Pycelle would be stupid enough to tell the Queen anyway
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
Good point... It's also pretty obvious that Varys and Littlefinger are only beholden to themselves.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
then why bother testing the others, it was not a v good plan imho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
I think it was just meant to show Tyrion getting into the game of thrones but yeah, it wasn't particularly clever
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
if jojen and meera reed (book 2 characters) aren't in the tv show i will be very upset
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
I can see them being written out.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
it was a fun lil scene
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
the myrcella thing was totally in the book iirc.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
Tyrion's three-way Myrcella marriage sting wasn't in the book was it?
Only in the sense that one of the three plots in the book involved Tommen and not Myrcella, otherwise, yeah, in the book (and they're all laid in a single chapter, though the Pycelle payoff takes longer to uncover, IIRC).
― Trienne of Barf (Leee), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
lol Blossom was all sorts of cuet back in the day, brah! But yeah, the Asha in my head had a niftier haircut and also was the horsey sort of hott.
Anyway, I'm beginning to feel that the name change from Asha isn't so much because of the speculated similarity to Osha, but because Yara is simply a different character. Like, instead of the one Greyjoy whom I wkiw, she's just another dour, joyless (err) Greyjoy.
― Trienne of Barf (Leee), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
And I've been thinking that while I generally feel that the TV depictions of most of the characters improve markedly upon the book analogues, Asha/Yara and Renly seem like the two who've suffered the most in the adaptation. With Renly, his book self is supposed to be the Robert of 15 years ago, virile, hot, and dashing, but the TV version is so diffident and whiny that I can't buy that loads of nobles are willing to back him because they love him.
― Trienne of Barf (Leee), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
I think they've kind of coasted on this notion that people would rally to him because "everyone knows what Stannis is", though it might be not be adequate in the long run. He's certainly been given lesser screen time.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
the Asha in my head had a niftier haircut
Definitely this.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 08:14 (twelve years ago) link
otm about renly. also get the feel that loris tyrell isn't as hot as he's made out to be in the books.
― Jibe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 09:19 (twelve years ago) link
Renly is pretty charming and charismatic IMO, but watching S1 before having read any of the books has coloured my perception of the character.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 09:24 (twelve years ago) link
Renly looking pretty hot this season IMO. I'm liking the Scruff look.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago) link
in the books i always pictured stannis as henry rollins
― humba (NZA), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Ha ha that is perfect.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
that would explain why no one likes him
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
i don't recall margaery inviting loras into their marital bed in the books but, you know, incest is best so.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
we don't actually see anything from her or Renly's pov in the book
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
otm.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
will stannis have a later scene where he brings arya stark into a hipster tavern in westeros?
"DON'T YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS, THIS IS ARYA STARK???"
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
The books don't have a tonne of POV characters, iirc-- I mean, there are a tonne, but storylines like Davos' and Jon's almost felt overtold? I loved that Renly scene and hope there's more extrapolative stuff
― poxen, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Davos is really our only POV in Dragonstone though. I think we could have done without Sam's POV for the Wall, but I see where some things couldn't have been told without it.
I loved this week's episode! Tyrion & the three was great, I died @ Vary's OOOH WE MUSTN'T TELL THE QUEEN. He's one of my favourites in the show without a doubt.
I'm glad they've cut out a bit out of certain timelines.
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
I think we could have done without Sam's POV for the Wall
No way, Sam is one of my favourite POV characters.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
#teamsamwell
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
i am hoping the big [CONTROVERSIAL MODERATOR EDIT] battle with the [CONTROVERSIAL MODERATOR EDIT] is as gripping to view as to read.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
the big sex battle with the pizza?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
King's Landing was knee-deep in jizz and mozzarella for weeks.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
same thing.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
we mustn't tell the queen
― poxen, Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
Interview with Story Editor/Mythology Gatekeeper/Writer of this past week's episode Bryan Cogman: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/04/20/468061/bryan-cogman/
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
jizzerella, ftr
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2uol7ut2v1qbypg1o1_500.jpg
― Trienne of Barf (Leee), Saturday, 21 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
uh
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
lotta torture this go round
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
Classic Joffrey
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
not sure how I feel about the dark thing...maybe HBO is going a little too far in trying to embellish the plot?
― calstars, Monday, 23 April 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
Is the smoke monster not in the book?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
yes but
― calstars, Monday, 23 April 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
? shadow monster birth p much exactly as i expected it. altho truly bizarre to see on tv screen.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 23 April 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 23 April 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
Reading people talking about potentially serious divergences from the books. I'm not against this, mind, as I wouldn't know the difference.
I also read that apparently Stannis was attacking Renly (who was on his way to King's Landing) so I guess that's why they happened to meet up. Hoping this really kicks off soon, as I'm worried its going to crumble under the weight of too-many characters. I hope there's some response by Tyrion to the Ros/Joffrey scene.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
what. the...
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 April 2012 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
"whoa, that lady amputates legs real good I'M IN LOVE"
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 23 April 2012 07:47 (twelve years ago) link
Really enjoyed the use of the word "cunt" in this episode.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
TV Joffrey is even more horrible than book Joffrey.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting that they didn't let/make Melisandre squat in the row boat, which is iirc how she births the shadow in the book. It's like the half-reclined legs open position signifies birth on screen--otherwise, how would we ever have known what the enormously pregnant lady was doing with her...you know, down there.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
Maureen Ryan had a good paragraph about the Joffrey scene:
"Game of Thrones" has gotten a lot of crap for its "sexposition" and its affinity for boobs, but I'd like to point out that this scene was not exploitative of the female characters in the least. In fact, it did what some other scenes in the show haven't done: It took us inside the experience the women were having, and it made us feel their emotions and reactions. The women weren't mere objects in the scene, they were human beings for whom I felt sympathy and pity. This scene wasn't about sex or nudity (and there was very little of either); this was about Joffrey's despicable need to exercise the very worst kind of power over others, and one can only begin, like other characters in this tale, to pray for the day that his head is separated from his body.
― poxen, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
agreed, but this whole episode was a bit nauseating
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i think we've established that joffrey is horrible at this point
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think there's ever been a show that's made me ask myself "wtf did I just watch?" like this one. 0_o
Also DIE IN A FIRE JOFFREY
― Roz, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
As awful as he is I'm enjoying the Joffrey stuff because it makes his eventual comeuppance even more satisfying (he has to get some degree of comeuppance, right? RIGHT? Please god i hope so). It is also fun to see his angry, impotent face when Tyrion comes in and gets Sansa.
Really enjoying Arya's storyline, ven if her being Tywin's cup-bearer feels like a serious stretch in credibility. On the flipside, Arya interacting with Charles Dance!
I don't understand why she was taken to the Lannister prison though. They weren't fighting for the Starks, they were just heading to The Wall, right? Why take them?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
Until Tywin shows up at the end of that bit, Harrenhal's being run by the Mountain and his men who are basically cruel outlaws that happen to be on good terms with the Lannisters. They're just kind of capturing random civilians to interrogate about the "brotherhood" that we don't know what is yet.
― ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, okay. So the King's Guard (they're the ones that attacked them on the road, right?) just dropped them off there?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
that wasn't the king's guard was it? just some lannister men.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the mountain's dudes are just basically psycho criminal masquerading as soldiers
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Tywin showing up and laying down the law was pretty great. strutting around calling them all numskulls!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that was the best part of the episode by far.tywin's sort of ruthless efficiency is cool.
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
oh right, this might be where i got confused. I thought the intial guys that they told to fuck-off were the King's Guard, as they had the ruling from the King.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
maybe i need to make flash cards with the various armour so i can learn who's who by sight.
i think the initial guys might have been.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
kingsguard are the elite knights who protect the king
the guys they told off were just random lannister knights/soldiers i think
― ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
like, the kingsguard don't usually leave king's landing unless they're travelling with a member of the royal family
― ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
kingsguard = secret service"gold cloaks" = police
― ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
right. but the first guys to show up were sent from King's Landing; soldiers or knights or whatever. the people who wound up taking Arya & co. prisoner where the Mountain's rabble.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
lannister army = blackwater
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
So who is in charge of executing the king's orders outside of King's Landing? Like, when Ned Stark ordered that guy to arrest The Mountain in season 1, wasn't he talking to a member of the King's Guard?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
the king or hand can command any of their knights to carry out business like that, i guess. that guy was Beric Dondarrion, who's not a Kingsguard member, just a knight.
― ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
No, that was Beric Dondarrion wasn't it?
― gyac, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
remember that name
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
Deric Bondarrion. got it.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
ok, so to clarify by mixing up Ancient Roman periods - King's Guard are the Praetorian Guard? Gold Cloaks are ~~kind of~~ like the lichters? And the King of Westeros' armies are the various bannerman who have all sworn fealty?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
kind of - the Kingsguard is small though, there's only 9 people in it at a time iirc. they're basically glorified bodyguards for the king and his family
― ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
and who are the thirteen then?
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
There were a couple discussions in season 1 about how there wasn't a Westeros army, it was basically just made up of various loyal houses who could split any time if they weren't happy.
― Moodles, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
the thirteen are the rulers of qarth.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
pronounced KARTH
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
can someone put this in terms of Star Wars, as opposed to Ancient Roman periods?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Only one of several ruling councils in the book right?
Kingsguard are the red guys who hang out in Emperor's chamber.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah in the book i think they are just an influential political/business faction.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp yeah basically there's a small number of major lords/houses who each have lots of bannermen sworn to them: Stark, Lannister, Baratheon, Tully, Arryn, Tyrell, Martell. So however those align is how everyone else aligns pretty much. Right now they're all pretty much separate, the only alliance is Tyrell and Baratheon via Renly's marriage.
― ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
<i>There were a couple discussions in season 1 about how there wasn't a Westeros army, it was basically just made up of various loyal houses who could split any time if they weren't happy.</i>True, but after Robert claimed the throne people bent the knee/signed treaties with him or whatever. And then when the Ironmen rebelled a few years before the start of the series, his rebellion was quashed on behalf of the king by Ned Stark, who was...Warden of the North, and that kind of thing comes with the title. Think Tywin Lannister was Warden of the West.
― gyac, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
el tombot goes off upthread about how westeros is a libertarian paradise
― max, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
the power structure is king --> regional "wardens" --> bannermen --> subjects
at each level the people swear fealty to those above them
― max, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
If that's paradise we better keep Ron Paul out of office.
― abcfsk, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
theoretically one of the powerful houses could break their vows to the king and launch a rebellion, its what baratheon did to the targaryen, what the greyjoys attempted, and what robb stark is more or less attempting to do now (though he wants to separate, not to become king of westeros), but b/c honor is the paramount virtue in westeros it would take an even bigger breach of honor on the part of the king to lead a sworn subject to do so
― max, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
With the powerful houses, there's really only a few who could realistically challenge a king, so the kings keep them in line with marriage/powerful positions. Hence Robert marrying Cersei.
― gyac, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
Although it works both ways - it got Tywin the Warden of the West gig, and put him in a strong position to claim de facto rulership of Westeros when Robert died.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
thought the lannisters have always been the wardens of the west?
― max, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
― gyac, Monday, April 23, 2012 3:13 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
probably an even bigger motivation was the fact that he wanted access to the lannister's fortune too, robert was a big spender and his house is in massive debt to the lannisters by book one.
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Have we met a Martell yet?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
kingsguard = http://switz.tripod.com/RoyalGuard17.jpg
sellswords = http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/63/BountyHunters.jpg
― diamonddave85, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, the Lannisters have had that title for ages. Tywin was also Hand to the mad king beforehand.
xp I can't wait til we meet the Martells!
― gyac, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty good episode, but man that scene at the gates of Qarth was totally cheeseball in execution. "I INVOKE SUMAI!"
Harrenhal was perfect, though. Stoked about shadowbaby hijinx next week!
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, April 23, 2012 5:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seriously.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
so I guess The Brotherhood is a "thing" and not just some minor local issue that'll never come back?
because this show needs more shit to introduce and develop
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the Brotherhood comes up later but it plays a big role
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
I will say that Joffrey cranking up the crossbow is probably the first time he's ever felt truly menacing, if that makes sense.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
i agree with "develop" not so much with introduce; we got so fucking much on the plate already it feels like everything that's happened this season is just moving the pieces around and adding new factions. Not even a solid murder yet. And Jaimie's only shown up once! I'm aware this is following the books, but c'mon: we're drowning in characters already.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Not even a solid murder yet.
Solid in terms of the person being important, sure. Solid in terms of awesome, no.
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
what was the important murder this season?
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's safe to say that it isn't going to get any easier. There are a lot of places on the map that we haven't been to yet.
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, April 23, 2012 9:00 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Just wait until we get to Ser Barko of Sealton and his underwater castle.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
No, I meant sure, there haven't been any important murders yet.
I'm aware this is following the books, but c'mon: we're drowning in characters already.
They've really done a remarkable amount of streamlining already. It's quite a task
― Number None, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
shouldn't have Cat's family shown up at this point?? what are the tully's doing?
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Is Cat's creepy sister with the kid an Arran now? And are Arrans the Lords of the Vale?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
or was she in a Tully stronghold?
Houses:
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Houses_of_Westeros
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
missing houses Pain, Buggin, Waffle, and Pancake
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
whoever said they've done an admirable job of streamlining this is otm---I encouraged my roommate to watch this and for him to go hog wild with the "ok who's THAT guy" questions and it actually wasnt that difficult to nutshell a lot of it? and this dude basically doesn't watch tv, has never been a fantasy dude, and is in general a perfect test case. a guess a lot of the plot devices are actually standard enough ("this person is made because that person killed this other person") that most scenes have an easily graspable power gradient or w/e
explaining the sopranos would've been trickier
― catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but her brother Edmure & uncle Brynden aka the Blackfish should really be introduced at some point.
― gyac, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Got confused that Bolton was the Great House of the North (lol has GRRM ever been to Bolton?) but alright, worked it out. (going to assume there are spoilers there, btw)
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
ah, and the Martell's are home to the famed Dornish wines/whores. Can't wait to see them.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
also apologies for asking clarification questions here from time to time, but google is a minefield of spoilers
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Nah it's cool, fire away.
― catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
(going to assume there are spoilers there, btw)
There are only spoilers there if you click into one of the houses and read about it. On the root page it's fine.
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
so Stark and Tully have been officially exiled?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
After closer reading there are definitely spoilers on that page, sorry!
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, was guy talking to Robb on battlefield Roose Bolton?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
yup
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
I almost feel like putting up a poll of favorite houses, but I probably would never recover from the feelings of dorkiness.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 23 April 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just about to start DwD, when I finish I may well do a POV character poll (excluding all the one-off ones)
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
aw man not another fucking smoke monster
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
tyrion aside this was a horrible and shitty episode and probably for the first time kinda made me feel like a saddo for even watching this show
the thirteen were SO CRINGE
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
it's the same smoke monster--irc the island is in westeros somewhere.thought the last two eps were both kinda middling but i'm gonna stick w it of course.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:41 (6 minutes ago)
I definitely cringed a little at "Xaro Xhoan Daxos". I mean it's fine on the page...
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
they're going insanely overboard with the sex and violence too. Most of which is not on the page
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
this one was probably the worst of the series. exposition was clunky and they couldn't even hang it on some decent thematic thread. obv i am crazy excited about next week, because I always am.
This was the last ep sent to critics (at least in the initial review package), which is the same as last year, and iirc it was about episode five where it became less about establishing everything and more about shit kicking into gear. I'm hoping this season follows that same rhythm, but with so much new crap i dunno.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
I really don't think they are. There seems to be a lot less sex at least, at least as far as pointless nudity goes (only real case of sexposition all season was greyjoy in the ship iirc).
Violence is brutal, yes, but in times of war it makes sense that the worst excesses of a culture comes out.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/22795/game-of-thrones-to-english-premier-league-converter&usg=AFQjCNGyNhPuv7-hhWfL5LGer903S3TF_w
nn did you see this btw!
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
I mean stuff like the Joffrey scene. Look we know he's a psychopathic little shit already
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
I'm loling at Rooney as Ramsay Bolton r|t|c
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, but this psychopathic in a different way. I thought it was the best scene of the episode.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
I definitely cringed a little at "Xaro Xhoan Daxos". I mean it's fine on the page
okay, how on earth did they decide to pronounce this
― thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
at this point i barely know the names of anyone so this thread could explicitly spread spoilers like crazy; i'm happily clueless
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if we're going to get the Bloody Mummers this season.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 12:37 (twelve years ago) link
There are times in the books where the names come dangerously close to turning into Dr. Seuss names.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ytgwvmkb1r7mymoo1_500.png
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
i invoke sumai
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
poor Elladred, missing out.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
This was the last ep sent to critics (at least in the initial review package), which is the same as last year,
Critics got six eps last year! I expect that semi-major characters will start to bite it starting next episode (I haven't read the books; I'm just guessing) and they want to hold onto that as long as they can...
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
Walter, your expectation is correct.
So... being careful not to spoil... in the books, Arya becomes Roose Bolton's cup-bearer at Harrenhal, not Tywin's, correct? This is a BIG change from the book and I'm not sure where they'll head with it...
― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
um that is very much a spoiler though
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
we have a spoiler thread fyi
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think a departure from the book is a spoiler.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
its not a departure from the book, his post references stuff that hasnt happened yet
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
except that it won't happen now, because Tywin is at Harrenhal instead
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
he was there in the book too iirc...
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
lol, MOD CLEAN UP NEEDED AISLE 5. all this needs to go!
i have copied the original spoilery post to the spoilers spoilers spoilers thread.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
feel like people should just read the goddamn books
― max, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
spoiler police brutality imo
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
fuck reading the books i want the SURPRISE of television
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
― ciderpress, Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:48 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:49 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sorry! What Gukbe said there was my reasoning as to why it wasn't a spoiler. Will talk on the other thread.
― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
are you serious here?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
one presumes not
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, fave line from latest ep: "Is he a ham?"
― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
was sad not to see Renly's peach that Stannis obsesses over forever though
― gyac, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
"is he a ham" was fantastic.wife won't read the books. she says she thinks they will be "too gory" THANKS HBO BRO
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
anyone with the first season blu-ray? are there lots of extras like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac09EeMmS1Q&feature=g-vrec&context=G22f3ee9RVAAAAAAAAAQ
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
cool!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
welp, just ordered that.
― Clay, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
according to the poster that is from the press kit and is a preview of the Blu-Ray feature. kind of thought HBOGo would mean I wouldn't have to bother buying the set but damn, if that's the kind of extras they've got.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
wait the new gods are 6k y/o - thats not v new!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
okay, i'm starting in w season 2 tonight, after saving up episodes for a while. thought i might be lost & playing catch-up for a while, cuz i remembered almost nothing about what'd been going on, but no, it's all come back. very enjoyable, too. do find myself bothered by the same thing that bugged me most last season: everyone on this show is complete idiot. no one behaves with even a trace amount of political sense or tact. funniest thing is that those who seem as though they're supposed to be the most wily (petyr baelish, for instance) are the most catastrophically stupid in this regard. "knowledge is power" my ass.
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
but that's the very magic of the show!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
im not enjoying this season as much, i think maybe because the watching all in one sitting is especially good for game of thrones idk
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
then u dont think abt it too hard
for sure. i mean, i read the first three books in a couple of weeks. thinking hard was at a minimum. highly satisfying.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
yet i still feel the anguish of waiting a week for each new ep
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
prob by the end when everyone gets their head cut off i will like it as much tho
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
oh man your mind will be BLOWN when you get to the ________ !!!!!!!
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
not that i know but that's what basically everyone who has read the books says about the show
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
i have been reading the spoilers thread i must admit
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
frankly i prob wouldve just read the wikipedia summaries of all the books by now except that theyre not even finished so whats the point
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
have tried real hard to avoid all spoilers. so far, i've managed to protect my virtue* from the taint of undesired knowledge. did read one thing abt tyrion that i hope doesn't happen, but i gather it lies beyond this season.
* ignorance
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
I am reading the books now b/c I keep spoiling myself through, like, googling fairly innocuous questions about background stuff re: religion or history of westeros. books are v entertaining thus far and I usually hate this shit.
― Clay, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 06:13 (twelve years ago) link
3 episodes in. tyrion at least can lay claim to some sense.
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 07:27 (twelve years ago) link
I opened the spoiler thread thinking it would be fine as I've read up to book 4, but there's a real arse of a spoiler for something that presumably happens in book 5 right in the first post.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:09 (twelve years ago) link
dogg it is a spoiler thread what were you thinking
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah first post of spoiler thread is deadly. Serious thread title is serious.
― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
I kinda love how ruthless it is.
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
also, possibly misleading
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
You either win or you die
― Moodles, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
thankfully what is dead can never die
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
the night is dark and full of spoilers.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
Anyhow, lesson learnt.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/8T2eq.jpg
― Roz, Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:13 (twelve years ago) link
That is way harsh on Daenerys. The rest, classic.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
"Always going on about climate change." :D
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago) link
Missed a trick not having Dubya as Aerys Targaryen
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
they don't a picture of him tbf
― Number None, Thursday, 26 April 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
in a bunker in texas iirc
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 April 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
Gathering a frightening amount of wildfire.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 26 April 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
have watched all four new episodes now. getting bored. in the space of four hours, danaerys has made it to a city, tyrion has schemed effectively, various kings have rattled their swords, joffrey has been a dick, baelish has schemed ineffectively, jaime has sat in a cage, snow has visited an incest family, bran has had a dream, arya has been captured, and lady stark has traveled about a bit.
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
+ a smoke monster
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
the most exciting part is when new places appear on the intro map
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
I used to think that way, but now I'm just "ANOTHER PLACE?" and I kind of wish all the characters would hang out in Central Perk and just hash it out over a cup of java.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
they prob sell action figures if you're really desperate
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
already made some out of bound twine so i'm covered
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
i'm hopeful that the "we're past the screener eps, shit is gonna happen now" theory is accurate
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
well, the last scene of ep4 does point encouragingly in that direction
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3278975_700b.jpg
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
Jon's hair is perfect. I wouldn't be surprised if it was really yarn.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
ok, confirmed that the soldiers who first confronted the Arya and Gendry on the road were Gold Cloaks.
also, either this has been discussed and I already knew this and totally forgot or it just didn't sink in until yesterday, but Ian Greyjoy is Lily Allen's brother, and the subject of the song "Alfie". *mind blown*
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Saturday, 28 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
lol "Ian Greyjoy"
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Saturday, 28 April 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
Nigel Barathean. Gary Lannister.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Geoffrey Stark.
It's Geoffrey Baratheon-Lannister. You're thinking of Brian Stark.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Joey JoJo Junior Arryn.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
The three Stark brothers are Brian, Ricky and Bob.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
And King Robert Baratheon's brothers are Stan and Ron.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
Then you've got your Tyrells. Mike Tyrell, the patriach. Larry, the knight of flowers. And the other ones no one gives a shit about.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Danielle Targaryen weeps for her husband, Cal Drogo.
― I'm out socially right now (Clay), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
Yep
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure the King's Guard has been the same since Barry Selmy walked out.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
Damn. I was looking forward to Renly's love triangle.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
Now THAT's more like it!!!!!
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
Arya staring down the baddest Lord in Westeros = HOLY HELLS, GIRL.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Monday, 30 April 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnyoneCanDie
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 April 2012 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
Nice to see Finchey hanging out in the Iron Islands.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 30 April 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
dope ep, i loved the guy who promised to kill 3 for the girl
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 April 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
Really not looking forward to the possibility of Bran being overwhelmed by creepo Iron Island folks, especially if it's all down to Theon "Ian" Greyjoy.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
something just not right abt them iron islands
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 April 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
iron island type have serious teeth issues; no fluoride in that water. just iron and salt.
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 April 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
What is flossed may never die
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
had no idea Bronn was in Robson and Jerome
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
I just realised watching a s1 episode the other day that Barristan Selmy is actually Stuart's dad in original Queer as Folk!
― gyac, Monday, 30 April 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
bronn is killing it this year. love that guy.
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
you forgot stu stark
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
is the tv show planning on featuring david lannister? easily one of the best lawyer characters in any fantasy story.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:52 (Yesterday) Bookmark
yeah i only saw this recently and it blew my mind! he's been great this season
― r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
nice to see finchy up to his old tricks as well
I don't recall Theon "Ian" Grejoy being quite this whiny and pathetic in the books. Am I misremembering? I recall a twat, but not a complete twat.
Loving Stephen Dillane as Stannis. So completely humourless.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
Ian was always kind of whiny douche. He expected everyone on the Iron Islands to be kissing his ass when he came back and got all sulky and petulant when that turned out not to be the case.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
that guy has the proverbial face like a slapped ass
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
Was pretty startled by how matter-of-factly they did the shadowbabby killshot! Kind of awesome that they didn't prep with a sense of dread at ALL.
― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
I thought it was kind of OTT, like a lot of the magicky stuff so far. I guess I liked (what felt like) an elliptical, minimal, treatment by GRRM, but I guess it's kind hard to make 'elliptical' work for TV w/o just seming vague and imprecise.
― fka snush (remy bean), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
I don't recall Theon "Ian" Grejoy being quite this whiny and pathetic in the books. Am I misremembering? I recall a twat, but not a complete twat.These things are subjective, but I did always eyeroll at him throughout his chapters.
Really loved this episode, especially Jaqen H'ghar!
xp I thought this too. was sad we missed Loras losing it though.
― gyac, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
dear god what is margaery wearing?
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC there was nothing vague or imprecise about the attack on Renly; I thought that was very, very faithful to my recollection of the book.
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 3 May 2012 05:30 (twelve years ago) link
pretty quick and understated, too (thought i haven't read the books)
in some ways GoT is a constant frustration, in others it's my favorite thing. definitely one of the coolest groups of strong, varied, kickass female characters i've ever seen on tv. catelyn, daenerys, arya, margaery, osha, brienne: more than half the reason i watch this show. post-escape discussion between catelyn and brienne was great, both michelle and gwendoline really delivering. and arya going head to head w tywin, "anyone can be killed", i mean damn.
jaqen's such a great new character, very curious to see how he develops
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:56 (twelve years ago) link
still think emilia clarke is rather dull as daenerys: good when she's happy, a bit bland otherwise. the part's written well, but i don't know that she's bringing much to it. gorgeous though, and that makes up for a lot.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:59 (twelve years ago) link
i got pretty roundly beaten down on the internet when i suggested on a feminist thread that this show wasn't the most disgusting, misogynistic television ever created. they were having none of it.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:07 (twelve years ago) link
well it is and isn't, right? it's arguably misogynist in lots of trivial ways, and the female characters are often defined according to predictably girlish/hott/maternal templates, but at the same time, it allows and celebrates strong, independent female characters like nothing else on tv that i'm aware of.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:11 (twelve years ago) link
Contenderizer totally otm itt
― Clay, Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:14 (twelve years ago) link
I agree. And there are plenty of feminist critics out there singing its praises.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:22 (twelve years ago) link
I think some people's brains can't cope with the idea that a story portraying an enormously sexist world and enormously sexist characters is not necessarily enormously sexist itself.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 3 May 2012 09:38 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ this.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 3 May 2012 10:07 (twelve years ago) link
wouldnt it be fair to say though that "strong, independent females" are equally predictable (and perhaps equally trivial) in this kinda nerd stuff? like there's always always warrior queens and powerful witches and one plucky ladywarrior alongside the wenches
― r|t|c, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:29 (twelve years ago) link
ie putting women on an ineffable pedestal often goes hand in hand with general misgoyny
― r|t|c, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
This article does a good job of addressing the series's treatment of female characters (amongst a lot of other things).http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2012/05/07/120507crte_television_nussbaum
― gyac, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:50 (twelve years ago) link
this isn't strictly accurate; rather, it's more that it isn't intended to be an endorsement of enormous sexism (whether it succeeds in its criticism is really up to the viewer reaction)
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
The books are more successful at dealing with the topic of misogyny than the tv show, which trips itself up by adding in unnecessary sex scenes that only seem to be included to bump up ratings and get us though slow exposition.
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
A friend told me that every sex scene in the show was in the book. He's lying or remembering incorrectly, right?
― Evan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
A couple examples from s1 not in the books, that I could have done without:
Viserys in tub with Doreah talking dragonsLittlefinger evaluating Ros' prostitute skills
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like all the sex is vital and nessisary
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
HBO sex is a bit embarrassing and sad, like watching your dad make a dirty joke that falls flat.
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
I liked Viserys in the tub, but I feel a bit deviant admitting that. He was a psuedo albino cutie.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
^ yeah, this is otm. the leering depiction of female nudity definitely mars any feminist cred the show might otherwise muster, though i think people make too much of it sometimes, in a way that prevents them from seeing that there's a lot of good in there with the HBO cheesecake.
while it may be partially true, as r|t|c says, that "'strong, independent females' are equally predictable (and perhaps equally trivial) in this kinda nerd stuff", i don't think that this predictability is a fault, and it certainly isn't trivial. xena, warrior princess was initially criticized as fanboy cheesecake, but wound up meaning a lot more to lesbians than it ever did to straight guys. fantasy and science-fiction have long been popular among female readers, and they've attracted a number of strongly feminist authors. the worlds that these genres create are, of course, unreal, but they allow the exercise of constructive, transformative imagination. in fantasy and science-fiction, the possibilities available are not constrained by conventional social or even physical boundaries, something that a number of liberation-minded thinkers (feminist, queer, etc) have remarked upon.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
― Moodles, Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:59 AM (25 minutes ago)
^ the "this" i was responding to
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:22 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
*rolls eyes deeply deeply back into skull*
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
Remy very otm
― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
Compared to what other sex on TV?
― poxen, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
the sex in game of thrones works really well because its totally sensationalistic and silly just like the rest of the show
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
i cant really comment on all the sex on hbo ever, would require some research, ill leave it to noted hbo sex experts remy bean and forksclovetofu
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
noted hobo sexperts
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes i feel bad for the street interviews of the ppl on Real Sex, i bet they didn't think that clip of them talking about going down on their wife in 1992 was gonna be replayed all the time for the next 20 years
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
someday legume will have grownup sex with a real lady and it'll all be clear to him
― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
i eagerly await that day on which the full genius of yr incisive critique into the dragons and swords nerd tv show will be revealed
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
hey asshole i thought we weren't talking, fall back
― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
people really exaggerate how much HBO is "sexing the show up" IMO, there's plenty of awkwardly written weird sex stuff in the books
the whole Theon molesting his sister thing was just as weird and jarring in the book
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cool terminology forks B-)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
i mean my thought is that maybe .25% of the books is devoted to sexy times, whereas significantly more of the TV show is devoted to oddly graphic (but for the most part unhot) scenes of doin' it while delivering unrelated dialogue. It's not galling, just feels a little pandering. Necessarily there'll be more durrty business on TV b/c of the elision of heraldry and endless verses of The Bear and the Maiden Fair. I'm beefing with the way it's done, not with its inclusion.
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
the entire show is a little pandering!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
as i imagine are the books
you have a really weird attitude to this show lag∞n. Like you're ashamed of watching it or something
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/103/e/AAAAAq2xrboAAAAAAQPmPA.jpg?v=1211229462000
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
^ little panda ring
― Number None, Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:39 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its ott and fun and silly, im not ashamed to enjoy that... R U !!!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
The thing is, I'm ok with awkward weird sex scenes from the book being in the show, but I don't enjoy the addition of even more awkward expository dialogues given in the context of unsexy sex scenes that weren't in the original book. The gross stuff that happens in the book would totally be enough for this show.
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
tofu forks in ice cr∞m beef
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Not at all bro, you just seem to be at pains to emphasise how "silly" it is. Also reading all those spoilers, that was weird too.
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
maybe you take this show... too srs ??
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
that's not it at all
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
dammit this show is kind of silly. now i feel really self-conscious about wearing cloth of gold pantaloons to the office.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
thought this last episode was grrrreat (tony the tiger voice), best one yet possibly. was feeling really down on this season before, really hating all the non-book scenes and feeling like they were giving short shrift to important moments.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I don't enjoy the addition of even more awkward expository dialogues given in the context of unsexy sex scenes that weren't in the original book. The gross stuff that happens in the book would totally be enough for this show.
― Moodles, Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:41 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed, my past comment was just to reflect that some ppl i know irl seem to think the book was some kinda chaste, trad lord of the rings thing and that all the sex is "HBO being HBO"....martin's a perv
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
increasingly so! (although probably he just got edited down in ealrier books).
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
imho the silly fun lurid quality is a central and knowingly employed aspect of the show, which is why its so much better than like some po faced lord of the rings bullshit
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
basically otm. there is after all a dwarf who is actually just a little fella.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:54 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
huh?
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
some ppl i know irl seem to think the book was some kinda chaste, trad lord of the rings thing
This is odd, because when the books came out originally they were totally sold as an "adult" take on fantasy i.e. there was violence, swearing, nudity etc. And the books do have all those things but HBO have really been piling it on, seemingly for no good reason.
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
This is odd, because when the books came out originally they were totally sold as an "adult" take on fantasy
yeah but it's reaching ppl now who have basically one (or two give or take narnia) reference for "fantasy"
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
its really well crafted trashy entertainment, there are not a lot of other qualities operating particularly, nor by the light of griffinhall is there any need to be
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
what does well crafted trashy even mean? not challenging you, just not sure i get what you mean to mean.
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
just like lurid ott unpretentious fun etc
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
like law & order
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
fair enough. like makepeace thackery, but gone all fat and beardo.
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: swords and dragons
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
m@tt - having a 'little person' in the main cast of characters instead of a beardy, axe wielding fantasy dwarf, is one of the ways grrm is having fun with the fantasy genre. see also the life and times of stubbornly honourable hero ned stark.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
ah gotcha
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like Martin has a lot more to say about politics, gender, etc. than Tolkien did. It's pretty interesting even if the strokes are broad.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah these books are trashy and complex and stupid and sometimes smart and everything else! they are awesome
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
xp definitely - though not as if that would be hard, how many women are even in LoTR? Galadriel & Eowyn aside, it's alllllll about the boys.
― gyac, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAnsW06v5t4
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
The sex is in there to replace that most gratuitous of GRRM's literary devices: the internal monologue. Or in certain cases, accompany it-- far better that there's humping going on while Littlefinger explains his fixation on Cat
― poxen, Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
interview with Bryan Cogman about sexposition/women/etc: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/04/20/468061/bryan-cogman/
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
- there's a clearly demonstrable double standard in Thrones in that we get nonstop T&A and straight fucking but fleeting ON CAMERA DONG and the gay sex is of the mass effect variety with cutaway edits- i could personally give two shits about the addition or subtraction of any sort of nudity but the suggestion that our at least once-a-show breast and beaver break is "in the book, totally canon" is a little disingenuous- saying naked women is part and parcel with the corny adventure format suggests your expectations/standards are unnecessarily low. - the old saw that "not every fantasy show HAS to step outside the Frazetta jacket art mold, but can you name one that does" applies and it doesn't even makes sense from a marketing perspective that HBO _wouldn't_ tone down thrones to at least sub-Dexter levels of softcore as i imagine the core target audience is largely women. people bent sideways to accommodate the incongruities of plot and logic that battlestar introduced mostly because it DIDN'T toe that line... i daresay thrones would be far more interesting and balanced a show if it were a lot less torture/standard porny.- HBO and Showtime pad the vast majority of their original programming with cheesecake as a ratings booster regardless of the source material; that's pandering more or less by definition- as per a lot of television conversation on ilx, these are the concerns of someone who watches the show and finds it better than most of what's on television, which is to say better than shit. asking good to be better shouldn't be a cause for affront, trolling and flag waving; it's the suggestion that you can like something and still wish it were better/less problematic/less composed of material for 14 year olds to jerk off to- ^these are all super obvious points btw
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really watch Showtime, so I can't speak to that (nudity in Homeland wasn't absurd iirc tho), but aside from True Blood, Rome, and GoT (to an extent), do any of their shows really trade in excessive nudity, as though they have a quota to fill? I'm also not at all convinced that there's some sort of corporate memo/note to the show creators saying "more tits plz". In any case, I'd rather they continue to shoot it as they do as opposed to going to some sort of hazy softcore filter.
Was told that the Quarth dresses were changed from the book so every female wasn't exposing a breast, but idk if that's true.
Totally agree with forks there that if a show is decent there's nothing wrong with wanting it to be even better by fixing these things.
Don't know why you think that the core audience of GoT is women though.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
not sure if this was addressed earlier, but i was pretty annoyed that OF COURSE the first significant African-American role in the show is to play a "savage" from the summer isles. i mean, i know they are described as "dark-skinned" in the books, but gtfo.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
- there's a clearly demonstrable double standard in Thrones in that we get nonstop T&A and straight fucking but fleeting ON CAMERA DONG and the gay sex is of the mass effect variety with cutaway edits
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:48 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this bothers me most.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
i daresay thrones would be far more interesting and balanced a show if it were a lot less torture/standard porny.
there's very little torture iirc, and i'd love to see a breakdown of viewership by gender
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
agree that the strong emphasis on tits & (female) ass is kind of lame, given that the show does feature so many strong & interesting female characters. imagine it would appeal more strongly to women if the softcore were less obviously designed to attract the male eye.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
I'm also not at all convinced that there's some sort of corporate memo/note to the show creators saying "more tits plz
I remember reading that Party Down literally got these sorts of notes on their Starz show, so it would not be a stretch to assume that this would happen on other premium channels. There is a lot of network pressure to differentiate the content as "for adults", and nudity and violence are the easiest way to accomplish those goals and appease the suits.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
hasnt louis ck talked about how on his hbo sitcom they demanded nudity and since he didnt feel comfortable asking his female costar to do a nude scene he did it himself
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
Starz definitely has that mandate, and I'm sure HBO probably did as well (the guy running Starz's original programming used to run HBO's). I just think HBO has probably moved away from that kind of need to appeal. Nudity in Luck was brief, in Treme it's been largely non-existent (if its been there at all),
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
I'm also not at all convinced that there's some sort of corporate memo/note to the show creators saying "more tits plz".
there are literally stories of writers for HBO shows getting these notes
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark
pretty sure that british soundin dude wasnt american
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
not sure if this was addressed earlier, but i was pretty annoyed that OF COURSE the first significant African-American role in the show is to play a "savage" from the summer isles.
Both Xaro Xhoan Daxos and Salladhor Saan seem much less savage to me than your average soldier at Harrenhal.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
indeed
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
summer isles-american
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
Boardwalk Empire has just as much nudity as GOT, but for some reason it seems more organically integrated with the plot
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
was this most recent episode the first one without any nudity in the series?
― ciderpress, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
Haha are you serious.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
Some of the sex stuff in Boardwalk made me cringe so hard.
The Wire didn't have a huge amount of sex scenes but any time it did they were pretty cringeworthy too
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
― polyphonic, Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:11 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean at least game of thrones hasn't devoted a totally annoying character to the task of showing boobs all the time
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
Totally true. I had forgotten about that.
The Summer Isles are where the black people come from in this particular world. I don't get your point.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's weird they took out the one-boob dresses since they've been so boob centric so far
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
they could have fulfilled the entire season's boob quota in one Qarth-centric episode
― Number None, Friday, 4 May 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:24 (Yesterday) Permalink
pretty sure Ros fits that bill
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 4 May 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
She's not totally annoying though, and she works to give some kind of humanity to the legions of bare-breasted prostitutes the show usually serves up as window dressing.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
okay lol @ braindead me for "African-American" but this...
this is what makes me get a little o_O over it. i mean, all he does is mention a "dark-skinned" race of "savages" from the Summer Isles. i think its more your problem if you read that as "black people" instantly.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
who have we met from the Summer Isles? are we talking about the pirate or the rich guy in Quarth?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
the rich guy in Qarth
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
all he does is mention a "dark-skinned" race of "savages" from the Summer Isles
Uhh, ACOK has a character whose skin is as "black as polished jet" (pg. 237), what's more, "savage" is being used pejoratively I'm pretty sure by characters whose opinions we're not supposed to accept without question? I mean, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to see the Sumemr Isles as an analogue to Africa?
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, medieval western europe wasn't really known for its advanced and enlightened views about other civilisations.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
rich guy in qarth (xaro xhoan daxos) hardly strikes me as a caricatured "savage"
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah. as far as racial politics goes I think the Dothraki are more problematic than that guy.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
Guys, I think we're being trolled?
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
even the southern westeroesians have fancy ethnic sounding names and are all tricky and cruel where northerners are named stark and are v honest and brave
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
by a heated debate over derpy hooves no less (xp)
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
can i just nnnnnnnnnghgh at this:
I feel like Martin has a lot more to say about politics, gender, etc. than Tolkien did. It's pretty interesting even if the strokes are broad
― thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
also, it seems like structurally any high-fantasy tv entertainment focused on medieval-england analogues is going to resort to, er, 'othering' non-white ppl. and no one is going to put the hbo boob money behind a high-fantasy tv entertainment which isn't focused on white people. -- it's a structural thing, rather than a failure of the writers. (the skeezy dependance on the demographics of boobs is both, i suppose.)
true of the books too to some extent i guess. (tho le guin did have a hugely popular juvenile fantasy series, from decades back, in which the main cast were not white: except when the sci fi channel adapted it, suddenly they were. now that was egregious.)
― thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 09:38 (twelve years ago) link
That film 'Crash' was so racist...
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:22 (twelve years ago) link
Summer Islanders are generally portrayed as rather civilised in the books.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:52 (twelve years ago) link
right, but he does go to great pains in the show to describe overcoming his beginnings to get rich. anyway, i was just disappointed because that was not how i read the Summer Isles inhabitants in the book at all.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
idk, I just interpreted that as being smarmy in order to get access to dragon
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
^ otm. the show has not insignificant racial problems; that doesn't rate (to me) as one of them.
― Olivia Newton John Justen Bieberheimer Schmidt (remy bean), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
Woha Lady in Red delivering that weirdo thing. It didn't seem like fun. Otherwise, I LOVE this show so much. I am not much into "fantasy" but this is so mad awesome. Probably cause it feels medieval to me
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
I just watched the latest episode while stoned and it seemed like the Muppet show
― homosexual II, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
?http://img2.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/fa0125705106919cdf023547d5b347ce1308943998_full.png
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
right, but he does go to great pains in the show to describe overcoming his beginnings to get rich.
he mentioned that he wasn't born to wealth & power. didn't strike me as great pains, or an indication that he arose from savagery, but today hasn't been my day for figuring shit out so [< heads up, aero]
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
durnit why don't you l33k already.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Monday, 7 May 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh Ian
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 7 May 2012 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
was on tonight, but i missed the beginning, so i gotta watch it again before commenting. not a great episode, but not a bad one. mostly just moved the pieces around some.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Monday, 7 May 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
moyyyyyyyyyyy baaaaabbeeeeee
(dragons)
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 7 May 2012 10:09 (twelve years ago) link
Osha was pretty badass this ep.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 7 May 2012 12:56 (twelve years ago) link
loved the riot scene!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 May 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that was unexpected and very tense. loved tyrion putting joffrey in his place afterwards.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
THEY THREW A COW PIE AT YOU SO YOU KILLED THEM
waiting for the inevitable character building session with the dog
the current lord of winterfell is sorta fucked
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
why does the dog serve joffrey? he seems a relatively good dude and joffrey is obv a little shit.
daenarys' bad acting was really on display in this ep.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think its ever said why but i may not remember correctly. something like cleganes are vassals of the lannisters and the hound is one extremely loyal dude?
― Jibe, Monday, 7 May 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, her exchange with whatshisname on the steps was just awful
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
Dingos ate my dragon
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
― Jibe
Pretty much, but more that he's a nihilistic dude than loyal.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
Where was Jorah Mormont in this episode?
― polyphonic, Monday, 7 May 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
the lack of characterization for the hound has been a disappointment so far. he gets some pretty good scenes in the books. thank god we have plenty of scenes of the timeless created-for-the-show character of Roz The Prostitute instead
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
her exchange with whatshisname on the steps was just awful
I've only read the first book, but are we supposed to be totally impressed with the ridiculous things she says? clearly many other characters in the world see her as a young girl with delusions of grandeur. maybe she's a bad actress, but it seems like a limitation of the role and the dialogue too. the character seems to be taking a "fake it until you make it" approach to power.
― ryan, Monday, 7 May 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
the delivery of that dialogue is the problemshe's a definite weak spot in the casting
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah she's not handling this stuff particularly well. It's also because her character is somewhat delusional and everyone else has her pretty sussed out.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
right i think it'd be laughable if people fell to their knees at one of her foot stamping entitled monologues, but they basically shrug it off. i can def see it being more of a problem down the line (assuming she DOES acquire power).
― ryan, Monday, 7 May 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
She doesn't realise her father is known as The Mad King, does she?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
No, she does not. Viserys filled her head with nonsense about their father being beloved.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
She is probably 14 at this point in the book, so her petulance makes a lot more sense to me in that light.
― polyphonic, Monday, 7 May 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
theon's sacking of winterfell + beheading rodrick was maybe the most disturbing scene for me so far, maybe because I've started reading the books, so I can see more of the psychological angles and have just spent more hours with the characters. But jeez that was awful.
― Clay, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
man they really went off the books in this episode! crazytalk
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah... i am kind of sad not to see the psychic bogland kids :(
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
chopping and chopping at guys neck and then breaking the last bit off w/yr foot like a piece of wood NAGL
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, May 7, 2012 7:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thanks to your reply, i'm imagining the hound going "Ve vant ze money Lebowski". Would make those nihilists so much scarier.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
The stuff w/ Jon Snow this week really sucked, esp. in comparison w/ the rest.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
tru. i'm hoping something interesting comes out of it. I also hope Ghost isn't gone for good.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
i wish each episode of this show was 30 minutes longer, and 15 of those minutes dedicated solely to the hound
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
just realized that not only have the reeds been left out but also beric dondarrion. i understand that this is a tv show and some cuts have to be made but these are important characters.
― humba (NZA), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
He appeared briefly in S1, I think he'll be back
― Moodles, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, the show has been pretty faithful to Beric D. thus far, though that isn't exactly hard at this point.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:33 (twelve years ago) link
btw, did anyone else lol @ the whole frantic Arya/Jaqen scene?
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
i most certainly did. i kind of liked her screaming " i want you to kill him NOW!", as it made her sound like the little kid she is, which you sometimes tend to forget considering everything she does.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
otm, i was also disappointed by the mechanical and rather ridiculous presentation of arya's second assassination. a big disappointment after last week's (great) episode, imo.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
Yes! Very sitcomy vibe, esp. the wry way Jaqen seemed to be teasing her.
Otherwise agree on overall quality of this episode, which was also written by the same writer who did "Garden of Bones" (the other majorly dud episode this season).
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
arya's assassination genie is pretty sweet
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
big lolz on dude opening the door and then keeling over
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
lol yes
btw, Armory Lorch is the guy that Tywin chewed out and dismissed for being dum, right?
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
tough to blame the writer when she gets stuck with Robb and his nurse-love and some of the cack-handed Harendal stuff. Loved the Littlefinger looks though. Also all the Winterfell stuff was A+ and we also got Tyrion slapping Joffrey again so I can't find much to complain about on the whole.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
The Sansa scene went on a bit too long and was uncomfortable to watch. I realise she was a standin for Lollys, and it wasn't exactly a pleasant scene in the book, but it was unpleasant viewing.
On the other hand, I really felt for the Stark kids when Ser Rodrik got beheaded and I really liked what we saw of Roose Bolton.
― gyac, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno where i've seen it before for it to be a trope but i just knew ian wasn't gonna slice dude's head clean off in one go :/
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 05:56 (Yesterday) Bookmark
did i miss something earlier or was this the first suggestion that assassin guy has magical powers? or was i not supposed to think that
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
he hasn't got magical powers, he's just pretty fucking good at killing ppl
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
he just shot a poison dart into guys neck
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
oh right yeah i see the dart now
still got that done unlikely sharpish didnt he, considering the headstart killed guy had
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
felt it was farfetched but i am happy if they want to have unfeasibly good assassin. it's not the wire... and even that had omar and that brother mouzone cartoon.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
the too-perfect handiness of the character and the ridiculous nick-of-time intervention both bugged me in this episode
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
you guys hate fun
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
it's mostly u, really. f and n are both okay.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
^ couldn't help it, no offense intended
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
anyway awesome at murderin' dude is a kool character
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
no, i like it (now i see what i missed) and find it fun but the point stands you've probably got to be a little tighter with zingy "farfetched" once you've now let actual smokebaby type magic out the box
plus he has a sassy demeanour and had all that blarney about his "red god" or whatever last episode, seems like magical signifiers to me
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
pssst everybody, this series is based on a pulpy fantasy series
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
we all have our proclivities
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
martin definitely does some things other fantasy paperback dudes don't do, and does some things better but sometimes i feel like ppl really seriously want like aaron sorkin's "studio dragonpants on the sunset ruins of winterfell" and are basically complaining that a heavy metal album has loud guitars and guitar solos
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, May 9, 2012 6:49 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
his style of speech is v nice
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
a man knows
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
and are basically complaining that a heavy metal album has loud guitars and guitar solos
many of them in fact do!
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
i literally haven't understood your last few posts
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
lol, j/k. i get that pulpy tv series is pulpy, but don't always love all elements equally. no slam on the show in general.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
I could go for more Downton Abbey crossovers. The first thing I thought of with the ginger wildlin was "oh, that's what the maid with the typewriter ended up doing"
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
i knew i recognised her from somewhere!
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
Plus Ser Richard Carlisle of course
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, who is also the bad guy in Resident Evil: Apocalypse. or maybe Extinction.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't make it that far into the RE series, but it sounds like you just gave me a reason to.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 11 May 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
Don't mistake a C-list actor getting work for a stamp of previously unknown quality. They're all terrible films.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 11 May 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
2nd one was pretty dope they blew up racoon city come on
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 11 May 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
no. i rewatched them all two weeks ago. Extinction has one decent scene, but other than that...
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 11 May 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://maxgif.com/mV
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 11 May 2012 02:44 (twelve years ago) link
https://twitter.com/#!/iscoff/status/200952211533086720
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 11 May 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
AW COME ON SPOILERS MAN.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago) link
Well I don't know how they do Apocalypses where you're from...
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3tlnjCBAF1qzdfnao1_1280.jpg
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
Oops, spoiler.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
Nah, it's always been obvious.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
well, that was an upsetting ending.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
very upset over here.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
Really loved this one. I'm always surprised at how much I enjoy watching these characters talk to each other. I like the way backstory informs the present.
Also it was kind of perfect that I was really getting fed up with the Harrenhal business because that castle looks like a shithole, why are important people interested, etc...and then Tywin nicely explains it all. Still not sure about Jon Snow and 'er from Downton. I think Jon Snow is kind of shit though - an idiot, really, but hopefully the 'journey' will be interesting.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
Was it upsetting? Surely it's not Bronn/his brother nobody cares about. It feels quite obvious that it was those two kids on that farm.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, i think it was abt 300 burned marshmallows
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
i know. BUT WHAT IF IT ISN"T?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
also, it was an intense thing to lay eyes on - orphans or no.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link
definitely. theon is so out of out his depth.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link
bran, not bronn. bronn is tyrions sellsword bodyguard.
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
Maester Luwin's howl as the end there just killed me too.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
good scenes with cat and jamie and cersei and sansa. i guess the writers finally found a couple parts of the book they thought worth throwing in. winterfell scenes also strong. alfie is a pretty terrible actor but it kind of works because theon is pretty terrible at what he does too. although still very enjoyable in its own right, that was surely one too many tywin-arya scenes now. just reinforces the feeling that nothing is actually happening. they opened the coin purse for that shot of harrenhal tho, very cool. way too much jon and ygritte wandering. could've achieved the same "character development" with just one scene between them on top of last episode's. not sure what the hell they are doing with that part of the story either. altogether too much screen time for robb's nurse, their relationship another thing that would've been better served if handled more sparingly. qarth continues to baffle. very bored of hearing the same characters repeat themselves for the fourth episode straight. glad they decided to kill everybody for some reason.
2 episodes left i think? should be a barnstorming finish to a somewhat meandering season.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 14 May 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
should be 3 more left, there's 10 total
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 May 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
agree that it's been treading water for several episodes. arya & tywin talk, jon wanders the wastes, and repeat. kingslayer finally escaping only to wind up in what looks like the same cage only moments later did not help.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
i thought the dude playing theon did a pretty good job!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
Great line from the RS recap, re Ygritte: "It was like trudging through the tundra with a living Twitter porn spambot."
― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
I quite want this:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Feast-Ice-Fire-Official-Companion/dp/0345534492/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1336939606&sr=8-2
The lengthy and loving descriptions of food in the books always get my mouth watering.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
agree. he does a damn good job of modulating subtly between related expressions: "what do i do?"/"i have no choice but to do this"/"oh god, i'm really doing this?"
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
when I read that bit in the book, I bawled!
Yeah Harrenhal was burned by Aegon's dragons & is supposedly cursed isn't it?
I really love Maester Luwin. Just as I imagined him.
multiple xps: it's been very meandering yeah, but necessarily so as they have to cram a load of stuff into ten episodes, wrangle with the timelines and do a lot of setting up of stuff for the next few seasons, all the while ensuring that characters who didn't really get a lot of time in the book (ie Robb) get their airtime. I've been pleased for the most part.
― gyac, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
The only thing that's been a bit of a letdown is how they've handled Dany and Qarth, but her thread in the second book is my least favourite of her storylines so far (her thread in the third is incredible).
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
agreed.
― gyac, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
two episodes in a row with no tits I'm pretty sure. Unprecedented.
Who is the woman with the crazy mask? And where can I obtain naked ritual back-painting services on the east coast?
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Was it upsetting? Surely it's not Bronn/his brother nobody cares about. It feels quite obvious that it was those two kids on that farm.― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, May 14, 2012 6:34 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
did have a feel of the bait and switch about it but the music was so portentous.
always remember the last minute carrier crow didn't save ned stark...
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
(her thread in the third is incredible).
Can we not talk about who is alive or dead in the third book? I know it seems sort of obvious that Dany will be around for awhile but it's more fun to not know what's going to happen for me. :(
― polyphonic, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
maybe she dies in an incredible fashion in the first chapter, just falling into a bottomless pit while dragons burst out of her organs
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
oh i just got it, lol, duh
― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, seconded. there's a spoiler thread for people who've read the books. would prefer to hear nothing about what's upcoming or how things were different in the books in this thread.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
in the books, Xaro Xohan Daxos is a Chinese guy
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
only three episodes left!? I have been waiting for some ACTION!!
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
I hope the finale ends with a title card with something like: "we ran out of time but here is a list of people that died..."
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
Note: Theon died on the way back to his home planet
― Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3z7dcWWEX1qgmtz5o1_250.gif
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
soooooo nerdyhttp://io9.com/5906300/5-scientific-explanations-for-game-of-thrones-messed+up-seasonshttps://plus.google.com/u/0/100521671383026672718/posts/R3C5xYBxvXn
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
I keep hearing Xaro Xahon Ducksauce everytime they say it out loud.
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
Theon does have certain Poochie qualities.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
arya's dancing is pretty amazing.
unlike ian greyjoy's acting.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
alfie is a pretty terrible actor but it kind of works because theon is pretty terrible at what he does too.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:21 (Yesterday) Bookmark
agree, same goes for daenerys
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
not sure about her, her scenes are particularly grating apart from that cool illusion freak.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i was starting to like dany as a character cause clarke did okay with the rising-to-power stuff last season, but god, she's been just awful ever since her arrival in qarth.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
agreed
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
loltumblrwhiteshttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3vozqGbyV1qb9xkso1_r1_500.png
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
danaerys is made even more obnoxious b/c the episodes feel so unsatisfying in the way of plot development and then we have to spend a fair chunk of it with her crying about her dragons. qarth scenes are only redeemed by neat visual stuff like the charlatan and the metal-mask lady.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
well, everybody's dead now so
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
karth felt like a whole lotta build up and then the whole GREATEST TOWN EVER had a quick flip to being run by goopy ghoulie and ragged dick.
so hopefully we don't have to see her again until she flies in on top of a dragon and rains fire on stuff
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
Goopy Ghoulie and Ragged Dick would be a great name for a GoT spin off show.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
Qarth is the bit that is especially cringeworthy when I watch this show while stoned
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
The richest man in Qarth, the house of the undying dude, the merchant, Dany's horrible acting, mask woman.. it's really, really bad
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
Tyrion is still the most awesome
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
one thing i'm confused about - the metal-face tatoo-artist girl asked jorah if he would ever betray Daenerys *again*? what was that about? did i miss something?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
also, forks - i really like that image!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Jorah was reporting back to Varys (I think) about Dany's movements, etc...
― schwantz, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah they did not play it up very much, but Jorah was doing that. His turning point is right before the little rat face dude tries to poison her.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
Thermo: then you're gonna LOVE this tumblr - http://fuckyeahgameofthrones.tumblr.com/
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://fuckyeahgameofthrones.tumblr.com/post/23049916118
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
also lolzyhttp://fuckyeahgameofthrones.tumblr.com/post/22328143483/the-flawless-cast-of-game-of-thrones
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
This tumblr is killing me. I'm hoping it's all 13 yr olds.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
To taste the full-on firehose of teen mania, search for the game of thrones tag on tumblr, especially around a new episode.
Popular themes include:
"OMG! I'm having so many feels right now, I can't handle it! [insert 10 wacky GIFs of people freaking out]"
and
"I know it's wrong, but I can't stop shipping Arya and Gendry hardcore!"
― Moodles, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
these creeps also seem to ship sansa and the dog
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
knock them now, but amongst them is the heir to the literary crown of E.L. James.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
'ship'?
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
fanfic
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_%28fandom%29
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
'ship 'shop
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
shoop
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
imho Harrenhal + Arya, possibly my least favorite parts of the second book, are the stand out scenes this season
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
It wasn't Tywin in the books, right? Because that's what's been really amazing.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
It is called SanSan, and they are all gross.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
There was boobis in the last episode.
I've been keeping track.
Her name is Quaithe. To say more would be spoiling.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
boobis+
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
brief though, and the previous episode was chaste iirc? their skin quotient overlords at HBO seem to have lowered the tithe this season.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
Brief by HBO GOT standards!
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
so um for the people like me who haven't read the books and don't want spoilers
SPECULATIONS PLEASE
bran and ricon can't be dead, right? so um what happened? those the bodies of the farm kids? did theon deliberately let the princes go and burn up the kids? (hard to accept that one...)
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
i actually looked that up and spoilered it for myself. had to know.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
It seemed really obvious to me that it was those two orphan boys. Bran and Ricon et al were hiding at the farm, I guess? Or at least they went near it. The dogs picked up the scent. Theon failed again because he's lol Theon and killed the kids to make a point to the people of Winterfell. That's my guess, anyway. I don't see why you'd mention the two orphan boys if you weren't going to use them at some point.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
not read the books and I'll be well pleased to be proved wrong, except I don't want anything to happen to Bran (don't care about Ricon).
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
its spelled rickon
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
there's a preview of what happens to rickon here
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
Rickonroll.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
rickon blues
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
It seemed really obvious to me that it was those two orphan boys. ...I don't see why you'd mention the two orphan boys if you weren't going to use them at some point.
^ my guess
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
Lookin good, little guy
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
Sean that is amazing to me that you haven't read the books and good on you for not wanting to be spoiled, but for serious if you're looking for a spoiler-free experience you should just turn off the internet entirely
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
I've managed to not be spoiled yet, except for a phrase that seems to be a big deal event later on but I don't know what it means or what it consists of.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not panicked about spoilers, just avoiding them. But ot's one of the funny downsides of watching a show based on books lots of people have already read: there aren't as many long fun wild internet threads of speculation about what will happen. (See: MAD MEN.) All of that fun speculative talk happens in the book threads, instead!
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
OK! But like don't click on anything. GoT's online info is ridiculously spoiler-y. Big Events happen followed by other Big Events and they're so Big and so "like, totally 2004" that I suppose when this Wiki was made or that conversation was posted online people just assumed you could safely talk about Lancel's Kablooie or Arya's Lizard Transformation without anyone 'not knowing' that these things had happened.
i.e. Like, you're like, "huh, Ygritte, who's she again?" and then you click a link and then it's "WHAAAT???"!""!"
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
^ assuming that's just some made up shit, or some mod really oughtta delete that post. there's a separate thread for people who've read the books and wanna talk about the show.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
"arya's lizard transformation" is a joke but mods PLEASE delete ref to lancel's kablooie
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
lolol
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
lolllllllll
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
Lancel's Kablooie is mentioned explicitly on the book jacket of Book 3, figured it was fair game
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
youre making it worse, MODS PLEASE DELETE LAST HALF OF THREAD AND BAN POXEN
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
but for serious if you're looking for a spoiler-free experience you should just turn off the internet entirely
there is a GoT dictionary (i think, or maybe wiki) that does not spoil anything that hasn't happened in the series so far that i've been safely using the dozen or so times a week when I forget who's who or whatever. it's usually the first or second hit when i google the info i want. there's a lot of people tuning into watch this tv show who have not taken the time to read the half-dozen books and many GoT-related sites, that I've seen, seem to respect that fact. THIS thread is the only place where I have had stuff spoiled (and it wasn't too serious so I didn't really get bent out of shape).
i don't think it's asking too much to let us illiterate common folk speculate here, content to be in the dark about what happens next; and take the "I can't wait 'till XXX spoiler lizard monster kills yadda yadda" talk to the book thread or some other spoilerfest thread.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
Our GoT watching gang includes only 1 person out of 6 who hasn't read the books, and to boot she is someone who gets rly worried/anxious about things. It's so hard not to mercy-spoil when she's like (e.g. most recent ep) 'NO IS JON SNOW GONNA DIE?' 'DID HE KILL BRAN?'
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Stock answer is (serenely) 'you'll just have to turn in for next week's all-new A GAME OF THRONES, lisa'
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
TUNE in
my group is split 50/50 - but as soon as pot enters the equation my one friend start absentmindedly entering the spoiler zone of doom (doom because i pummel him).
'DID HE KILL BRAN?'and yes - this is the question that led me to intentionally spoilering it myself!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
Would be disappointed if Bran were to actually be dead because in retrospect it would've been handled so poorly.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
wait your friends name is LISA? [end spoiler]
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
lisa TARGARYEN-GANDALF
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
you realize that you guys have now effectively spoiled the "is bran dead?" question. i mean, i figured he wasn't, and i expect any sensible viewer would figure the same, but please, for god's sake, stop responding here if you've read the books and can't keep a tight lid on what you know.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think anyone has confirmed anything?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
i think contenderizer is referring to that fact that l******'s k******* would never happen if bran were still alive
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
jon lewis, whom i love:
It's so hard not to mercy-spoil when she's like (e.g. most recent ep) 'NO IS JON SNOW GONNA DIE?' 'DID HE KILL BRAN?'
makes pretty clear what's not being said
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I don't know what you're reading into that
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
uh, well it wouldn't really be a "mercy" spoil if either of these things were true
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
"oh don't worry babe, they're dead alright!"
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
mercy spoil helps the worrier feel better, e.g., "no, don't worry, he isn't dead."
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
no, a 'mercy spoil' just puts someone out of the misery of being anxious and worried about the outcome.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
that's how i read it.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
i just kind of wish book people would confine themselves to the spoiler thread. that way us illiterates could speculate blissfully, without any suggestion that the road ahead even exists.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
JUST READ THE FUCKING BOOKS
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
JUST GO POST IN THE OTHER THREAD see I can post in all caps too!
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
I CAN'T READ! there. i said it. i hope your'e happy.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
TBH the road ahead exists less and less for book people, too, as the show increasingly goes its own route. But I will police myself carefully.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
no, sorry, i will post in any thread i want
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizers secret shame
and guess what, you cant do anything about it, because if you keep whining i will start posting tons of spoilers
yeah just like... before posting in this thread ask yourself "could i have written this post if the books didn't exist?" and if the answer is no, go post it in the other thread
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
Nobody has spoiled anything at all about Bran. We're all cool guys, let's put away these spoiler threats. We're all a bunch of Fonzies.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
i'm actually dyslexic so reading can be ridiculously difficult at times and time consuming. i work a fuck load and already have two books on the go (one has taken me a year and a half to get to the point of being almost done). so when i read sentiments like "JUST READ THE FUCKING BOOKS" it seriously makes me want to hulk out and smash the shit out of some assholes smug fuck face.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
don't say that thermo he will ruin it for us just for shits and giggles.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
yo everyone was cool in this thread till contenderizer started complaining, dont blame me
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
also if i wasnt here youd all still be spelling rickon wrong so
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
can you just email the spoilers directly to contenderizer then pretty please
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
I am in the limbo-like position of having read far beyond the show, but not yet up to the current end of the books, so where am I supposed to meet my posting needs huh?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's a reasonable request (not that book people have to go away, just that it'd be nice if they followed ciderpress' advice). and there's no reason for anyone to get huffy about it.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
i apologize for fantasizing about a world without book people
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
i just feel sorry for you if you think "lancel's kablooie" is actually something that might happen in this series
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
it's too late. i've turned green and torn all my cloths off.
xpost (fun with dyslexia - i brutally misread "a world without book people" at first"!)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
well, ILX people often have comical ways of referring to things. you never know.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
once i posted on this thread that everyone you like will probably die and ppl rended garments and wept in the streets
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
max: stop threateningcontenderizer: stop worryingGRR Martin: stop adding letters to normal names because nobody's buying Robb's full name is Robbert.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
it's just robb iirc
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
It's actually Robbeerrtt and don't make fun of the Dutch language it's older than English
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
spoiler!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
why do they call him ned, his name isn't neddard
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
there's no reason for anyone to get huffy about it.
It's a perfectly reasonable request, I was just being fake huffy.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Brief rebellious period where he grew a soul patch and asked his girlfriends to call him Bobb
― poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/5/14/15/enhanced-buzz-16506-1337024367-1.jpg
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
I wish the Hound was also in that pic.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
other things I learned from that article:theon is LILY ALLEN'S BROTHERalsohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNeT2nzEgAandhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=svPRlZj-fuI
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
one morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIWX2fPx-5k
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
LOOK AT MELOOKATME
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
wait is theon alfie??
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. I had this revelation a few weeks ago.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
always a muppet
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.cdn.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/character/theon-greyjoy-1024.jpg
Ooooo deary me,My little brother's in his bedroom smoking weed
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
why do u all care abt spoilers so much they've been scientifically proven to not matter, and like obvs bran isnt dead duh
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't see Ned's death coming, and I was kind of blown away by it. That wouldn't have happened if someone had spoiled it. You know?
― polyphonic, Thursday, 17 May 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
sure but no one is spolierizing anything big like that its just like so and so is maybe alive at some point in the future
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
it kinda sucks the danger out of it if you know a dude is still around in book 4
― polyphonic, Thursday, 17 May 2012 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
think abt this the books havent even been completed yet... no one knows
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
some people knew renly was about to die, whereas I only suspected it. but I'm glad I didn't know how he died, or when.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
that guy was just not hardcore enough for the GOT life
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
I was really shocked by that because they seemed to go to pains in the previous ep to set up the the triangle with him, Margery, and the squire/brother guy.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it was a nice twist for sure
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
when Ned died people on here were saying that it was nothing and that this series goes like NEXT LEVEL BONKERS AWESOME in books 2 and 3 so now I want to experience that fresh.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://biblioklept.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/e1yoj.jpg%3Fw%3D890
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:33 (twelve years ago) link
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
o_O
woah
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
The best response I've seen is to say, "Anybody can be killed," ideally while staring into the questioner's soul.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 18 May 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m475hlcVfX1qluf16o5_250.png
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 18 May 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
real lol
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 May 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAsCt4GF6WU
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
Laced in lie is… what?
― Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
Here's a cake GRRM never anticipated:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4cbdliISk1qjcwo4o1_500.jpg
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ccz6h9CR1qbypg1o1_r1_250.gif
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
I'm excited for the House of the Undying.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://i46.tinypic.com/20jmdyh.jpg
everytime I see Xaro I can't help but think casting made a mistake in not choosing Pretty Raheem for the part.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 21 May 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
Good episode, in retrospect, but at the time I was waiting for shit to kick off. Preview for next week probably eased that pain.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
Very end was really affecting, and it, Onion Knight + Stannis, and Varys and Tyrion bro'ing down saved the rest of the episode with its Stupid!Robb and Stupid!Jon and Boring!Talk. Even the Arya stuff was meh.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Monday, 21 May 2012 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
Last three episodes felt lke they could easily have been two episodes. Writers seem committed to giving every storyline at least two minutes of screen time a week, which gets a little silly I.e. this week with Dany.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 21 May 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
"blah blah blah slave saved my brother blah blah blah exposition necessary don't worry i am pretty much guaranteed to get naked by the end of this monologue blah blah blah"
― bailiwick bill (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 May 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
she should've whistled and said "I'm not in the book you know" like Gopher
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 21 May 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
Well that scene had a reason for existing since they're building up a genuine love story which has to involve feelings and she's not just some random prostitue.
― abcfsk, Monday, 21 May 2012 05:32 (twelve years ago) link
Stannizzz. I feel like they could've successfully done an entire late season Stannis/Davos/Melisandre episode, sewn up that entire storyline in a single hour, neatly explained Renly's otherwise mysterious death, and then subsequently concluded with whatever conclusion will conclude the Dragonstone/King's Landing battle.
― poxen, Monday, 21 May 2012 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
But Stannis/Davos scenes are the best!
― abcfsk, Monday, 21 May 2012 06:37 (twelve years ago) link
Can't get used to the fact that guy is actually Davos
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 21 May 2012 07:28 (twelve years ago) link
most awkward sex scene ever in this one, it was like a kung fu movie with them trying to remove each other's strait-jackets.
also mama stark is now on my list of annoying characters, she just has the same pained expression in every scene.
this show is sliding into walking dead levels of mindlessness, but will still watch every week as i did with that.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 21 May 2012 09:18 (twelve years ago) link
The actress is so gorgeous that none of this bothered me TBH.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 21 May 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
episode didn't do much to alleviate my "much ado but no real forward progress" complaint about the last few
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 21 May 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
Tbf, longwinded footchopper is indeed the most attractive woman on the show
― bailiwick bill (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
longwinded footchopper = Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter
― Walter Galt, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
you wouldn't have thought she came from a silent heritage
― bailiwick bill (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
GIS reveals an array of NAGLhttp://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/German+Opera+Ball+3BMzTpnq5A9l.jpghttp://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Sicilian+Defence+Milan+Photocall+2Di0U6MoSuBl.jpghttp://pics.livejournal.com/gee_wa/pic/0000kecc/s640x480
― bailiwick bill (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
no kidding
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
imo the wildling who captured jon is now the most attractive woman on this show.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
aka Gwen the Housemaid from Downton Abbey!
― Walter Galt, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol oh yeah!!!!!
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Someone mentioned the Chaplin girl's long speech is dripping with foreshadowing.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
Not all she's dripping with etc
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Long something something Robb's cock
the wildling looking after bran is pretty hot.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
her from About a Boy I think
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
she was in harry potter. she's in a sort of... gypsyish band that played at the premiere party for the last one. v weird, but not awful. she seems quite the character in real life.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
whoa she is totally that girl from About a Boy! Huh
― polyphonic, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/what-do-spoilers-spoil/
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
^ olympic level point-missing
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
What a joyless piece.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
Do we really have to debate spoilers again when it's a whole lot easier to treat it as a matter of etiquette?
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
who's debating?
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
besides stanley fish, i mean...
Clearly, I didn't read the article.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
one of stanley fish's great contributions to letters imho
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
felt the need to respond.
― phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
Actual lols:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4dz2vEuaS1qd0q92o4_250.gif
I am an easy mark for big dick jokes.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
er, Cersei is the hottest woman on this show I think.
And Dinklage is the hottest dude.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago) link
otm about Dinklage at least, dude is handsome
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:30 (twelve years ago) link
I thought Dinklage was pretty terrible in his big scene with Shae. The accent hampers him when he's trying to get all serious
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
why even bother w/the terrible accent
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
The accents are all over the place. Like Liam Cunningham playing Davos is doing some kind of Geordie thing, Michael McElhatton as Roose Bolton is doing his normal Irish accent and fuck knows what Aidan Gillen is doing. I guess not everyone notices that kind of stuff though
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
Aiden Gillen's accent seems like it changed a lot between the first and second season? I don't know what is up with that.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, he's definitely gone to some very weird places with it in the second season
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
its just like 1 show is set in an imaginary place 2 medieval england had totally diff accents than present day 3 is how i break it down to an extent
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
i liked it when the northmen all had actual northern accents
― max, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
but i guess that was really mostly just sean bean
iron islands geordie is good value.
also like the few random irish dudes.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
annoyed that some of the ppl from the free cities have funny pan-european accents and some of them just have english accents
― max, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
i get super annoyed by the "fantasy land = generic UK at some unspecified point in non-history" cliche
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
just like ancient rome
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
always british
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that too.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
tbf in the books westeros feels like a pretty clear britain analogue
― max, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
apart from the olives...
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it starts off as britain and then grrm squishes a bit of france and spain/north africa on the bottom
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
it felt like he expanded the size of westeros as the books grew - first one was england, second was like england/france/spain, latter couple were 'generally europe-sized'
― remy bean, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but it's a cliche of fantasy literature as much as it is of fantasy film & television.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
now it's the size of South America apparently
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
He's stated that Westeros is the size of South America, room for plenty of diversity. Don't forget the vast swamplands in the middle which don't really have a clear analogue.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
Oh xpost
basically the scale is just totally fucked up. the travel time between places is way way smaller than south america size would suggest
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
maybe they have super horses
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
'horse' is the westerosi word for light aircraft
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
i do wonder about scale and distance in westeros. it seems that information and even people travel fairly easily between king's landing and winterfell, but online sources put the distance between the two at some 1,500 miles, with another 600 miles north from winterfell to the wall. though a carrier pigeon could make that distance inside a week, 1,500 miles is some two month's journey on horseback, half a year's travel time for a mounted army.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
Well the ravens are pretty close to magical, at least.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
not everyone puts as much thought as Tolkien into these things
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
I skipped through Robb and his lady friend, AND skipped Jon Snow in Hoth.
If anyone has the most annoying accent in this show it's Jaqen.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Number None, Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:27 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
def one of the winning qualities of GOT imho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
i get super annoyed by the "fantasy land = generic UK at some unspecified point in non-history" cliche― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer)
OTMFM. Just once I'd like a fantasy land where everyone speaks in thick Bronx accents
― phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
ay, look at dem fuckin dragons
― phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
wintuh's comin'
Kind of a terrible idea but It sort of worked in Last Temptation,
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
lol, i mean i get that that's what the genre's built on, what fantasy fans want. they want knights in shining armor and european-style castles and fire-haired maidens in green velvet dresses with vaguely celtic-y gold needlework around the collar - plus magic and dragons and all. nothing wrong with all that, but it does get a little old.
honestly, i find the praise for GoT's approach to the genre a little odd. seems to me that martin's stripped away the most interesting parts of the genre (mythic simplicity, the creative licence granted by magic, imaginative world-building) in favor of its most humdrum aspects (melodrama, faux-britishness).
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
antidote to all of this ^ is of course Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
I pretty much stand aside when the conversation turns to how different ASoIaF is from all those other fantasy books (which a right-thinking individual need never consider reading). I know I'm not gonna change any minds on that front...
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
ive never read any of these fantasy books but i have seen a lot of the movies and contedizers delineation of GOTs violation of genre taboos is needless to say extremely wide right
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
well I'd hesitate to go so far as to say it's a ~deconstruction~ of the genre, but on of its quality that I really love is the way it's examining the inherent bullshit within the notions of honour and heroism in this world and, maybe, by extension, the genre as a whole. being really extreme but if the genre norm is Excalibur this is more interested in being Lancelot Du Lac.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
i agree that GoT doesn't deconstruct the genre. to present a gritty, amoral alternative to the shining, golden heroes we find in the the most naively idealistic sort of fantasy fiction is certainly a valid approach, but it's hardly novel at this point.
also, i don't find the television series at all averse to traditional notions of honor, decency and heroism. the characters seem pretty clearly to break down into "good guy" and "bad guy" groups based on their possession of these qualities.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
but varys basically broke it down to an extent when he talked to ned when he was jailed below the castle in season one.
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
So yeah this week's. Fuck BB King's House Of Undying, I'm tired of waiting for it. Don't care anymore.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
omg yes @ this; driving me crazy.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
would watch an entire season of Tyrion & Varys
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
the accents only really bugged me when like Renly and Stannis, brothers, have totally different regional accents
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
Next week's episode looks promising, at least!!
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
Written by Martin, directed by Neil Marshall of Dog Soldiers/The Descent. Should be a good 'un alright
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Gettin' that Helm's Deep feelin'.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit, i totally forgot it was Neil Marshall.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
!!!
I love Doomsday, it is such a batshit crazy movie.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
omg yay didn't know that
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.drexel.edu/now/features/archive/2012/May/Vampires-Thrones-Hobbit/
The course, simply titled “A Game of Thrones,” will explore the differences and similarities between the first book in the series and the first season of the HBO series based on it. It will be offered through the Pennoni Honors College on Thursday afternoons from 2:00 to 4:50. It promises to be just as epic as the tale it focuses on.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
omg I'm totally forwarding that to my father-in-law (he graduated from their engineering program)
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Vampires-Thrones-Hobbits
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
Vampire thrones Hobbit, full story at 11.
Vampire Thrones for Hobbits, $9.99 one day only
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Mixtape for after you get hardthroned
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
a solid liberal arts education.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
kingslayer finally escaping only to wind up in what looks like the same cage only moments later did not help.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 12:05 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm way behind here but ya wtf was up with THAT?
"you just have to DIE for me to escape!" *executes cunning escape* *is still captured 5 minutes later*
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
they left out the other 53 escape attempts, during one of which jaime distracted a guard by dressing as a beautiful lady and hitting him on the head with a frying pan
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1zgfmFI7e1r846v9o1_1280.jpghttp://slyoyster.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/PIMP.jpg
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
would watch an entire season of Tyrion & Varys― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:11 AM Bookmark Like Love Give Virtual Blowjob
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:11 AM Bookmark Like Love Give Virtual Blowjob
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 25 May 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
celebrity judges on westeros got talent
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 25 May 2012 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
Is that Tyrion mural real?!
― Walter Galt, Friday, 25 May 2012 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
no, photoshopped.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 25 May 2012 10:15 (twelve years ago) link
It'll be real soon.
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 May 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Just finished a first listen to the soundtrack release for Season 2, and I'm glad to be able to say it's much better than the half-assed, cheapish sound design droney junk Djawadi provided for season 1. (I know, he was hired at the last minute so time constraints etc and yes he did come up with a damn catchy Main Title). This time there are some real signs of compositional life as he puts his main theme through a number of highly contrasting variations, and the instrumentation feels much less like something you'd hear over an early edition of Baldur's Gate. I still wish they hadn't hired someone from the Hans Zimmer stable though. Christian Henson would've been so awesome on this project based on what he did for Black Death. Anyway, season 2 CD is solidly worth hearing though nowhere near great.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Friday, 25 May 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't even know they released soundtrack albums for this.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 25 May 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
the theme song is the best
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 25 May 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
I can't tell if he rerecorded a more organic (less synthetic) version of the theme song for the S2 CD or if it just sounds better to me bcuz the subsequent tracks are better.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Friday, 25 May 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
for those of you that don't frequent the blue oyster cult thread, BOC is currently using the game of thrones title theme as their "taking the stage" music
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
weilding a Steinberger of Valerian steel
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Friday, 25 May 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.minus.com/iYhh0Af8OIkUo.gif
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
perfect
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Friday, 25 May 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
I get the theme song to this show stuck in my head for days at a time. It's really starting to annoy me.
― silverfish, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
This has already been posted upthread, needs reposting for posterity
(silverfish this might make things worse for you)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92ukx0A2fk
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 25 May 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
(Game of thrones opening sung by Sansa, Arya and Bran)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 25 May 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
nearly as good as this:
http://youtu.be/25KABvPbq-U
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Friday, 25 May 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Oh by the way, the CD includes 'Rains of Castermere' performed by popular indie recording artist The National. (but written by show composer Djawadi)
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Friday, 25 May 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
that was better for the 60 seconds i thought they were singing "funky game of thrones"
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 25 May 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
Serious LOLZ at that deal with it gif!
― schwantz, Friday, 25 May 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
lol between the sing along and that pic of them goofin off upthread it seems like the kids are having a good time on set
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 May 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
wkiw arya
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 25 May 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, May 25, 2012 7:23 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
or are being deeply traumatized by the things they've seen and burying it beneath laughs and lols
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 25 May 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
u mean like their dad beheaded
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 May 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
stuff like that
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 25 May 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
i always figure this is the case when i see happy children
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Saturday, 26 May 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
It plays on a constant loop in my head when I am reading the books.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 26 May 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
well that's convinced me to never read the books
― silverfish, Saturday, 26 May 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
The National track is actually pretty nice.
― Simon H., Saturday, 26 May 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I really, really wanted to hate it, but it was actually not bad.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 26 May 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago) link
For reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn2l2_v6Ur8
― Simon H., Saturday, 26 May 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
would totally buy a comp of self-serious indie bands doing all the big songs from the books. Though I guess there's prob not enough w/ lyrics for more than an EP.
― Clay, Saturday, 26 May 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
Berninger's baritone suits the tone particularly well, imo. I don't think I'd want to hear, say, Of Montreal's take.
― Simon H., Saturday, 26 May 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
I'd hear of Montreal do the "a bear, a bear, a bear" one maybe!
― Clay, Saturday, 26 May 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
ha i was gonna ask who to play the bear and the maiden fair
― Jibe, Saturday, 26 May 2012 08:22 (twelve years ago) link
Kanye might kill it.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 26 May 2012 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgfPYetWWJw
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 26 May 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
Nancarrow-esque and answering the question in the thread title ably.
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 26 May 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
that hard drive thing is very rad.
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 26 May 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4lh90JlNj1qf3uw1o1_400.pnghttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4lh90JlNj1qf3uw1o2_500.png
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Sunday, 27 May 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
ooh deary metheon greyjoy's in his bedroom smoking weed
― Mordy, Sunday, 27 May 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
I don't understand...
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 May 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
Theon is played by Lily Allen's brother, who is also the subject of that song.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 27 May 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
i r slow
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 May 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
No wozzas.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 27 May 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
tbf that factoid is just for nerds
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 May 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
so all of that happened
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 28 May 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
and yet it still felt anticlimactic. What gives?
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
I think had Cersei killed her kid and herself and were left dead on the throne, it probably wouldn't have felt that way. I guess nobody of note died in that battle (is Stannis still alive, then?), and maybe that's what I was expecting. It seems to have resolved the larger Stannis season arc by, largely, leaving everything "as it was".
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 28 May 2012 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
it thought Tyrion died?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 May 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
no way, just took an arrow to the knee more or less
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
amaz!also that floppy drive thing is epic.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 May 2012 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
I think we would have seen more of Tyrion actually dying than just that unbelievably brutal slash across the face.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 28 May 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
Lena Headey dialing up drag queen mode to the max is the best thing about this episode.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Monday, 28 May 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
Stannis pimp as hell too.
But I am pretty sure that Tyrion doesn't get an arrow to the knee.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Monday, 28 May 2012 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
it's a nerd referencei'm just saying his adventurer days got cut short but he ain't dead by any means
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
I just want to know what happened to Stannis. If that isn't dealt with next week, I'll be pretty annoyed. I'm guessing his second-in-command is alive, and I'm assuming that dude's kid didn't make it out.
I know there were budget constraints and the battle narrowed (which is fine, I think it actually worked really well), but I did get a pretty big thrill out of that green explosion ripping apart the fleet. Well done. Some good Neil Marshall gratuitously violent inserts in the battles as well.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 28 May 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
I am glad to know that I am not in fact a nerd. xp
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Monday, 28 May 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
battle scenes often looked as though executed with a comically small cast, but it was nice to finally see something big and dramatic really happen. even if it did leave things much as they were before. certain tyrion isn't dead. guessing he lost a bit of blood and acquired a nice scar. love dinklage, but man that accent...
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 28 May 2012 05:50 (twelve years ago) link
i'm guessing you're pulling my kneee leee, but if not:http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
Hah, no, I was serious. (I haven't gamed in forever, like, what is this "skyrimming," it sounds like a sex thing, why can't kids play GoldenEye anymore, and everyone playing on PHONES, what's with that.)
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Monday, 28 May 2012 06:25 (twelve years ago) link
"Any man dies with a sword free of blood, I'll rape his corpse!"
The guy who plays the Hound is fantastic.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
so is his makeup tbh, presumably it's just one big prosthetic they weld on every day and then paint
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
did not expect him to pussy out the way he did!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
frankenstein fear fire
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
It was a bit of a poxy amount of fire, was expecting massive walls of flame.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
blew the money on the cgi for the wildfire, couldn't afford to set anything else on fire probs
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
I wanted it to end with the sun rising on a widescreen shot of mass carnage, but again cash money.
The wildfire explosion was bitching though.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 28 May 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
"Those are brave men knocking at our doors... Let's go kill them!"
― Roz, Monday, 28 May 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah "let's go kill them" felt weird, i mean if you're going to make everyone English you should have to keep to that shouldn't you?
what's the hound's deal, he loves killing (he cannot stress this enough) but just kind of wandered away from the battle.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 28 May 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
ended alot like Stannis'!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 May 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
i think he's scarred of fire (rather obvious now that i think about it)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 May 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, fire is his one fear.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 28 May 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
ah of course.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 28 May 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
y'all are killfiling me aren't you.
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 May 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
hound had a change of heart
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 May 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
he was heir to blahbady rock and i was sold to some stranger like a horse to be riden when ever he pleased
but you were roberts queen
and you will be joffreys, enjoy
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 May 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
casterly
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 28 May 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
fraggle
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 May 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
^^ Spoilers.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Monday, 28 May 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Hahaha oh god I just accidentally stumbled on some Stannis/Selyse porn fic. (Selyse is his wife.)
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Monday, 28 May 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
To root for Lannisters to win really was a hard pill to swallow.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
i was rooting for the leetle fellow
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
I couldn't root for anyone. One of the things I really like about this show.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
plus stannis is a gross evangelical fundie
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
I could never quite grasp how much he was a fundie and how much he was going along with it for the benefits. Which is a pretty great representation of how Christianity spread through Europe.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
he's a total Clovis tbh
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
well I was rooting for Tyrion, too. And I like Tywin Lannister, too.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
Tywin's alright by me, with of course about a jillion caveats.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
a damn silly name, for one
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
I feel for Stannis on this one. Dude led the charge. Plus, I think we can all agree that there only is one god and he will return to us once we murder a punch of people and put our guy on the throne.
― Fellini.Kuti, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
I loved that Stannis was the first up the ladder, while Joffrey was asking "What did my mother say? Did she say it was URGENT?" while a fucking army comes battering at your gate. Gone from hating Joffrey to just thinking he brings the lolz now.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
i was really disappointed that he did not die last night. i haven't read the books, but I have to believe that boy's days are numbered, but now his fucking grandpa's there, so no idea where it'll go next.
― Fellini.Kuti, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 04:41 (twelve years ago) link
it was weird... i *enjoyed* Joffrey in that last ep!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
kiss my sword...ugh
little fucker
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
except that part.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
but especially HEARTEATOR!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
farteater more like
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
heart eater is the dumbest name. it's like what a kid would name his imaginary monster truck of death.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
it's a sword joffrey it can't eat hearts anyway DUHHHH
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
lol - literally what i said! (and probably thousands of others)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
The lameness of his 'I'll give him a RED smile' joke deffo brought the lolz
― Mercer Finn, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 07:24 (twelve years ago) link
There's some, like, dissonance between Joffrey's nerdy-kid vibe and every other actor on the show. His thing seems anachronistic, like a Magic card player who's been displaced. Not that I mind, really.
― poxen, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
he's the king iirc
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
Why would anyone ever write that? That seems like the most unappealing idea ever.
I love Tywin in the show, I was really happy when he finally appeared in this episode. In the books, he's just a cruel dick.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
ya isnt his wife just as shrewish and sexless as he is?
i guess for some people that's a THING
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
cosign about tywin, i think he's a great baddie in the books too, but in the show he's really come to life. his last moment at the end of this ep was pretty ballin
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
charles dance is really killing it
Dance typically plays assertive bureaucrats or villains.[citation needed]
― max, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
fuck that was a nice explosion
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
fuck that was a nice citation
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4q72dkoKQ1r00543o7_r3_250.gif
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
he really is one of those actors who i have seen in a million movies but never really connected the dots
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'm a few eps behind but the Tywin/Arya interaction is just fantastic
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
for tywin
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
what happened with the hound though? he went from wanting to rape people with their swords to pacifist pretty quick
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
he is scared of fire
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
Was it my imagination or was Tyrion shot by a gold cloak?
― poxen, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
Kingsguard
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
that "why does the hound, who only has half a face due to some tragic fire incident, do a 360 when surrounded by fire?" is even a question for people makes me understand why most mainstream tv shows have flashbacks and scenes of over-exposition
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
not to sound snarky; that's just what tv has wrought
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
and by 360 i mean 180, lol math
Yeeeeah. Also fuck you people, read the damn books.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:19 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah and now im noticing him in everything
― Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i really can instantly recall the 3 second mention of this which i last saw in 2011 sometime.
did anyone find the battle intensely confusing? what were they all chanting at tyrion?
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
"Halfman"
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
"half-man" but the rhythm of it made it sound more like "man-half" or perhaps sound like nothing at all so it took a while to scan.
xp or that
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
his face is burned!!xp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
I think the thing w/ the Hound's PTSD scene is that it just happened too damn quickly for me. A little more rubbing our faces in the horror of the situation might have sold it a little better imo
― Simon H., Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
that's what i mean about tv being a medium of rubbing people's facing in the seemingly obvious
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
at least traditionally
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
this is what I thought, cool.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
that was a kickass explosion, indeed. loved that beat when the Hound and Tyrion are looking at the carnage/screaming with horror, and then they cut to the Maester-y dude who gives a little chuckle
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
that was the alchemist
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
yeah him
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
all those old guys in robes look the same to me, lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
racist
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
i got the fire reference clearly but I will agree that it was poorly handled in the filming. It didn't need a full on "HOW'D IT GET BURNED HOW'D IT GET BURNED" flashback but the scene was more shorthand than putting you inside the hound's head.
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
not to get too caught up in book vs movie but I have to say I'm really disappointed that they didn't develop the relationship between Hound/Sansa more. That moment with them last night read much more awkward and out of the blue than it should have.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
it was really short and also ages ago, and an aside in an episode that prob had tons of other stuff happening. it also didn't give any real sense of how damaged mentally he was, if at all.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
xpost *didn't = haven't
not to say that they won't, but it just feels very patchy and hamhanded
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
I felt like they gave Hound and Sansa a lot of attention this season!
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah this was pretty much exactly my reaction as well.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
he should have shook his head back and forth a bunch of times and went 'a doy doy doy'
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
I think there were a lot of close-ups of the Hound's worried face, but I didn't take it as seriously when he threatened to disembowel that captain of the archers if the flames got anywhere near him.
Sansa/Hound has been developed since last season. Thought they've done an excellent job with that one.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:28 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and played by ROY FUCKING DOTRICE, the reader of the audiobooks for all except A Feast For Crows, and pretty much my favorite audiobook reader evar.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
his expression was great.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:19 AM (1 hour ago)
i'm baffled by the idea that anyone who's been following the show could miss the very obvious connect-the-dots between the hound's hideously burned face and his very obvious, clearly telegraphed fear of fire in this episode.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I thought the very foregrounded Littlefinger 'Origin of Hound' story in S1 was adequate prep.
You know what they did NOT make parseable enough, though? That Tyrion was cut down by one of the King's Guard.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
continuing from xp: i mean, i miss basic shit all the time, so i'm not getting all high and mighty about it, but it seemed all caps obvious to me. the fear on the hound's face when stannis' fleet was consumed, his warning the head of the archers to keep the fire away from him, the way he froze when the burning guy seemed to rush him, the montage of him glancing around from one burning thing to another before he quit the field.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
.i'm baffled by the idea that anyone who's been following the show could miss the very obvious connect-the-dots between the hound's hideously burned face and his very obvious, clearly telegraphed fear of fire in this episode.
Didn't really think it was obvious or telegraphed at all.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I missed the archer bit though.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I've had a hard time distinguishing between "Gold cloaks" and "King's guard" this season. Liked it better last season when every shot of the King's guard featured a close-up of the Baratheon emblem + helmet off.
I read the books but didn't put together "Hound is afraid of fire" when watching the show, it was more like, "why is Hound afraid of this screaming soldier more than that screaming soldier? Hmm I dunno."
― poxen, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
when he was heading outside the gate he stopped at the captain of the archer and said something like "if any of those fucking flaming arrows comes anywhere near me i'll strangle you with your intestines" or something along those lines.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
most confusing part for me was when Tyrion was on the ground with his face slashed and he saw the horse-mounted knight with a helmet that looked like it had a stag's antlers on it, so i figured they were Stannis' Baratheon forces and not Tywin and his crew.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
xp - yeah, that warning
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
xpost Yeah that was bcuz Loras Tyrell took Renly's helmet after the latter's death. I have read the books 2x yet I forgot about that bit and I was fkin confused last night too!
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
btw LOVED (aka frightened by) stannis this episode, total fkin maniac. First one over the wall, last one to leave and dragged bodily at that.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
what perhaps made the "fear of fire" thing a bit difficult to parse was that the hound didn't act as though he was fleeing in fear. he just slowly lumbered off. we're used to more dramatic displays of terror when it's supposed to be present.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
i'm definitely more curious about why a kings' guard was trying to kill Tyrion.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
cos they work for the king?
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah see that question should be one of the biggest takeaways from the battle!
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, those were some of the biggest ramifications of the whole episode for me.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost jon lewist otm, Stannis was like super-war-general. I was so RAGH WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT when he says they're going into the city even though the rest of the fleet is on fire and their men are burning alive in front of them, but when he steps over the edge of the ship i'm like OH HELL YES, and I was totally on board with him, lol.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I totally got a contact hit of war-lust off him. That hasn't happened since the final LOTR movie when the Rohan posse charges in shouting DEEEEAAAAAATTTTHHHHHH
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
thought the wildfire was awesome/genuinely horrifying
the hound stuff was clumsily done, but not impossible to follow
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i was surprised by this, though i suppose i shouldn't have been...
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
I totally got a contact hit of war-lust off him. That hasn't happened since the final LOTR movie when the Rohan posse charges in shouting DEEEEAAAAAATTTTHHHHHH
Oh jon lewis <3 <3 <3
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
I still get weird tears of viking pride during that scene of ROTK! BTW Laurel I'm so sorry I couldn't make it on Saturday, not sure if you saw my boring excuse on your HB thread.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
you know who is really scary in this show? gregor clegane. he's not really what i pictured him—from the books i imagined him as a big sweaty shaggy dude. here he's big but also so... composed looking or something. scary.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
in particular that scene in the last last ep on tywin's council. anyone got a shot of that?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
The whole scene with Cersei and her little-one(wotsisname) in the throne room when she's about to dose him with the nightshade..nyyyyaaah. I was full of creeping dread and getting awful Flowers in The Attic vibes off her (sorry for the trashy cultural reference lol) thank CHRIST for Tywin Lannister gods be praised
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
how dare you make a trashy cultural reference in our game of thrones thread
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
*cowers*
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
hound finally did the LOOK AT ME bit!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIWX2fPx-5k
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Kingsguard dude trying to kill Tyrion is Cersei's doing, surely.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
could be king blondie of sadists idea tho
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
that dude rules
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
what a great character the hound is too
The Rohirrim are my war-like people, too, jl. I know exactly what you mean.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
Pick your favourite Gregor
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4dg0dQH4b1rqyl6qo3_1280.pnghttp://media.carddit.com/a/tJ4zqkBs4.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
omg hound audition is mesmerizing
they need so much more of him in the show, he's SO fkin good
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
ya the top picture, he was so scarily lit
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
I wish Tommen and Rickon could meet, have fun crime-solving adventures with Shaggydog
― poxen, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
The last episode was probably my favourite of the series to date.
xp Not sure what Shaggydog would make of Tommen's kitties.
― gyac, Thursday, 31 May 2012 11:52 (twelve years ago) link
not to get too caught up in book vs movie but I have to say I'm really disappointed that they didn't develop the relationship between Hound/Sansa more. That moment with them last night read much more awkward and out of the blue than it should have.― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl),
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl),
Please tell me you're not one of those SanSan creeps, otherwise I will have to FP you like forever.
I've had a hard time distinguishing between "Gold cloaks" and "King's guard" this season.
Gold Cloaks have those metal baseball caps with a chain veil, Kingsguards have full armor (minus the helmets) which have white floral patterns.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Friday, 1 June 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
Not sure what Shaggydog would make of Tommen's kitties.
Lunch, probably.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 1 June 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzkk5fWX8Z1r4nutwo1_500.jpg
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Friday, 1 June 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
cat
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 1 June 2012 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
Only just realised that the Mountain was recast!
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 1 June 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, I didn't realize either, I just thought he hadn't been around (off raping the countryside or w/e)
― poxen, Friday, 1 June 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
beheading a horse changes a man
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 1 June 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
oh really
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 1 June 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.minus.com/ienOWm.jpg
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Sunday, 3 June 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:57 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah srsly everyone on this thread all THE HOUND IS SCARED OF FIRE LOL DUUH, what was depicted in this scene was the hound recognizing the futility of war, it was sparked by seeing a soldier despite being totally on fire charge at him, he saw himself in that guy looked at the tragic absurdity of the situation and was all f this noise im so out of here - fear may have entered into it but what we saw was the hound having a change of heart
― lag∞n, Sunday, 3 June 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
hm, yeah, i hadn't thought of it that way. i guess it was set up by that confrontation with Bronn.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 3 June 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
All interpretations of fictional work are valid, except this one.
― Captain Jean-Luc Godard (Leee), Sunday, 3 June 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
The Book Club is up on Netflix, features the Hound in a "Literary Hunk" role
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 June 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCGk_k_lQm4&feature=related
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
So, that last three minutes was fucking terrifying. (The other 61 weren't bad either.)
― Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52sowtOPk1qzq8p5o2_500.gif
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link
I worry about zombies, though the dead horse looked awesome. White Walkers (I guess that's what they were?) with their ice swords (I guess they were ice swords?) looked fucking awesome though. I hope Samwise is okay.
Dany's middling arc this season paid off with all that dragon shit being awesome as hell.
Not sure I really understood what's going on with Arya.
Brienne was the shit. Spin-off with her and Jamie wandering the roads please.
Don't care about Robb but hope somehow the inbred creepy Twins guy causes a ruckus.
Theon's scene with the Maester was fantastic. Little ol' Alfie stopped smoking we and really delivered there.
I want to know who the hell torched Winterfell.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
inbred creepy Twins guy
fwiw, Walder Frey isn't into inbreeding, he just gets around a lot.
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
It's so pervasive I just assumed.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
man book 2 is the only one I've really read and the thing I was looking forward to most was the house of the undying and it got like six minutes of screen time and left out most of the creepy vignettes that I was hoping for.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 4 June 2012 05:33 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, the house of the undying was definitely a bit anticlimactic after all the buildup. did like the white walkers, though. good episode, overall.
i'm wondering about the size of winterfell these days. i originally got the idea that it was a pretty substantial settlement, but ever since, it's seemed like a courtyard or two and a couple buildings. it's seemed especially tiny in the last few episodes. then when the kids were leaving, it looked MASSIVE, like it would house thousands. how could a city that big possibly be held by 20 men, even with its army away?
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 4 June 2012 05:45 (twelve years ago) link
and who the hell burned it? where are the 500 northmen?
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 4 June 2012 05:49 (twelve years ago) link
SEASON 3 AWAITS
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 4 June 2012 05:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah... i mean the northern soldiers were under orders to let any of theon's soldiers go free if they surrendered, and they had his body with them, so it's not hard to imagine them getting away easily. otoh, if they burned the city before leaving, you'd think that would complicate things. idk.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 4 June 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
That's a cliffhanger, apparently. I both appreciate how they dealt with it but am also understanding that it's a bit confusing.
I don't know anything about the House of the Undying in the books, but I thought it was great here. The portent of the Red Keep broken down and overrun with the Winter, the walk north of the Wall. And the fact that, somehow magically, Dany got a genuinely moving scene with Drogo that gave her character something to achieve this season other than WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS. Also the Dragons kicking ass was awesome and fuiud.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 4 June 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, while that House of the Undying scene didn't meet my expectations based on the book, I thought it was really enjoyable and made up for her mediocre shitshow all season.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 June 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
And by shitshow, I just mean that until last night hers was easily the least enjoyable plotline and I had almost dreaded her scenes. But, man, that was a pretty sweet payoff.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 June 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
Locking Ducksauce and Hollyoaks girl in the vault was cold.
Thought the White Walkers looked amazing.
Lots of moving scenes this episode - Luwin dying, Dany and Drogo, Tyrion and Shae.
I wonder if people who haven't read the books entirely got what was going on under the surface of Jon and Qhorin's fight.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 4 June 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
it got like six minutes of screen time and left out most of the creepy vignettes that I was hoping for.
I was hoping for a glimpse of mad king Aerys at least.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 4 June 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, June 4, 2012 10:19 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seemed p obvs
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
man whats up w/sansa she needs to gtfo, jeez girl
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
My wife didn't initially, but she pretty much figured it out by the end of the episode.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 June 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that was kind of awkwardly handled in that qhorin's line that explains his plan was way back in episode 8
― ciderpress, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
so am I gonna have to wait another 8 months until this is out on DVD or what? I want to see it now!
― Moodles, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
Ways to die:
http://www.jest.com/video/175131/ways-to-die-in-game-of-thrones-season-2
― polyphonic, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
― Moodles, Monday, June 4, 2012 1:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thepiratebay.sefilestube.com
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
pray for moodles
― J0rdan S., Monday, 4 June 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
randomlivelinks.blogspot.com/p/game-of-thrones.html
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
feel bad for the half man
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
ya... from his highest point to his lowest in 2 eps. kind of crappy of his father to, essentially, take the credit for Tyrion's work and then turn his back on him.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 4 June 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
it looked like when he appointed him hand his dad was starting to come around to the fact that half man had game
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
so, the white walkers...awesome: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m535afxe4K1qfv91lo2_250.gif, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m535afxe4K1qfv91lo7_r1_250.gifa bit much: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m535afxe4K1qfv91lo6_r1_250.gif
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 4 June 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
are the white walkers the guys on the horses and then theyve got a zombie army is that it
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
That's what I thought. horsemounted ice sword dudes ftw. i don't want to be reminded of The Walking Fucking Dead.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 4 June 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
don't tell whiney
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 June 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, June 4, 2012 10:38 AM (54 minutes ago)
yeah, i was a bit surprised by this
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 4 June 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 4, 2012 10:40 AM (54 minutes ago)
meant to quote this too
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 4 June 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
lol at him riding in on a horse to accept his appointment as hand
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
just so everyone knows grandpa is the real boss
and shitting on the floor!
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 4 June 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
He's called Samwell, not Samwise (hobbit gardener).
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Monday, 4 June 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
differences not worth noting
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 4 June 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
I always assumed that Martin intended him as a riff on Samwise.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 4 June 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, June 4, 2012 1:45 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark
its a castle, not a city
― Hungry4Ass, Monday, 4 June 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
xp samwise is tolkein's ideal of a salt of the earth type who loves his master and knows his place. samwell is the effeminate son of a powerful noble. but they are both fat and short tho.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 4 June 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
okay, but in the last ep it was shown to be enormous. like the size of a small walled city. aren't there quite a few people living within those walls? like, not just the royal family and their staff, but a settlement of sorts? this is the impression i've gotten, anyway...
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 4 June 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
btw wtf is little finger up to, that guys sneaky
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
creeping on Sansa, methinks.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 4 June 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
didnt he say at one point that he basically wanted to be king
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 June 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
that seems to be the central theme here: everybody wants to be king or queen
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 4 June 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
winterfell is supposed to be a castle with a small village of sorts within its outer walls iirc
― ciderpress, Monday, 4 June 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
aw man I was sure he was going to be all "you remind me of your mother...you'll need a protector here....and you have impeccable bloodlines."
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 4 June 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Wtf happened Winterfell? WTF?
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Monday, 4 June 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
WinTerFell
― J0rdan S., Monday, 4 June 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmqiuazjSz1qal3y3o1_500.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
argh - anyone have any links to a stream?? my TRUSTED SITE seems to be DISAPPOINTING ME
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
torrents are widely available.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
on work computer
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
hbogo.com is the best place if you have friends or family willing to let you log in. You get interactive features and everything!
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 4, 2012 1:22 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
real question tho, like wtf actually happened in winterfell? it was so clunky and fucking dumb, if it's a cliffhanger tell us, if not then fine. but it was just weird, i watched with my brother and we had to pause it to talk about what might have happened, it was so weird.
enjoyed the topless white walker that looked like iggy pop.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
Lotta lame cliffhangers in this one.
Seemed like a lot of the show was making sure everyone was included. Maybe would have been better as a two-parter so there was plenty of time for acting/writing chops to carry the plot rather than "BREAKING: Daenerys Targaryen is about to enter the House of the Undying. For more, let's turn it over to etc".
― shaane, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT!
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
white walker's horse was outstanding
Maester luwin's death was sad, I got a bit teary. Though I noticed that bloody Rickon looks older than Bran. Isn't he supposed to be a snivelly little tyke still?
P sure Littlefinger has some fucked up plan for Sansa to get back at her Mum for not boning down with him or something, MWAHA I'LL SHOW THE STARKS ILL SHOW THEM ALL
I gave up finishing the books. I guess now would be a good time to get back to catching up, lol.
Also why is any confused about winterfell. What's left of theon's army trashed the place when they left. At least that's the impression I got.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
i sort of understand where the confusion is coming from... theon's speech sorta gave the impression that that northerners were on the verge of storming back into winterfell for some final battle, and then all of a sudden they just disappear? i mean i guess they could've encountered them and fought them all off screen or w/e, but...
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
ya it was weird like one minute it looks like theyre gonna hand over theon take their amnesty and be out of there then the next everythings all burning and dead
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
but the [spoiler] happened. they had nothing to stay for. and Theon's dudes were practically sellswords. They'd killed anyone in the castle worth killing that hadn't escaped already, so there's no way they'd hang around and fight for something they didn't give a crap for. Is my thinking.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
no, yeah, that all makes sense. but theon spent the entire previous night talking about how he was surrounded, how he couldn't sleep, then he gives this speech as if a fight is imminent... and then his men are able to up and leave w/o encountering the northerners? and if they did encounter them but were able to go thru, how did they get away with burning the village? did none of it matter cuz they gave up theon?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
It wasn't the Ironborn, as far as I know. They were handing over Theon to the Northmen to ensure they could all just go home. I don't know what happens, but apparently that whole Winterfell being burned thing *is* a cliffhanger, they just didn't mention it. I would say Bran et al wouldn't have known what happened and they would have just assumed it was the Greyjoy's dudes, but the Maester would have known. But maybe he was too busy dying. I felt the implication was that it was the Northmen (they were the army of one of Robb's subordinates bastards, right?). There might be another powerplay happening in the North.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
Robb made it explicit that anyone from the Iron Islands could leave Winterfell and just go home freely if they gave up Theon. They clearly took that deal. xpost
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
ya thats m/l what i was thinking
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, June 5, 2012 1:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah, no i know. i guess i hadn't considered that robb's men would've burned the village. my thinking was that it might be hard to have that deal go thru if they had burned the entire village on the way outta town.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
I think the key is that they weren't Robb's men. Robb wanted to go take back Winterfell himself because obv its HIS, but one of his bannermen convinced him to let his bastard do it. There's something else at work. I agree that it wasn't made clear, or they felt it was too difficult to explain or they didn't have the time to introduce yet another element at the last minute. They should have found a way though.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
alright, yeah, that makes sense then
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:30 (twelve years ago) link
lol the reason I wasn't confused is that I had forgotten about the northmen so *sheepish*
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
well we never saw them, only heard about them, so easy to forget. a quick glimpse of the camp outside the walls would've been enough.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 10:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah basically the question of why it was burned and who did it is bewildering. Really lazy of them IMO, it's not a cliffhanger if it plain doesn't make sense.
Thought the house of the undying stuff was dumb, that stupid dream sequence took ages. Then it was like "I have magical power beyond your wildest dr.... Ugh I'm dead nooooo" - in about 3 seconds.
They obviously can only do 10 lavish episodes a season and still have giant gaps in the interim, but when you think of how little has happened in s2 it's sort of crazy.
They could have about ten more episodes.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 11:14 (twelve years ago) link
So disappointed about the how the House of the Undying turned out, though it was nice to see Drogo again.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 12:56 (twelve years ago) link
nothing really happened this season
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
yeah House of Undying was not worth the buildup.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
this was my complaint about the book this season was based off
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
I loved the wintry Red Keep, that was enough for me.
― poxen, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
i was wondering what/when that was supposed to be – the past, after her father was dethroned, or a future where Daenerys has taken the throne "back".
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
I thought that was meant to be the future, after winter has fallen and shit has really hit the fan.
I had no idea what was happening at Winterfell, that bit felt really rushed. I assume the Iron Island dudes burned the city and then escaped with Theon in tow but I've no idea what was supposed to have happened to the army waiting outside.
I've watched most of this in one three-week binge and have only just caught up and some if it is ridiculous and some of it feels rushed but wow that siege episode was amazing.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
wonder if grandpa lannister didnt marginalize half man cause he was worried abt him getting too powerful
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
Absolutely. He's knows Tyrion is very smart, and he knows he has many reasons to hate him.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
and nearly everyone else hates him, so why not steal his glory aswell.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
OTOH he knows Tyrion is the only one of his children who isn't an idiot and probably needs him around, but needs him cowed as well. That one will probably backfire.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I dunno that Tywin is the kind of dude who wants to be surrounded by people as smart as him.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 4, 2012 2:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Basically.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Meanwhile, Laurie Penny is stupid, pt. 2354
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
she blathered on for all that just to say that the Game of Thrones is sort of like The Queen?
u_u
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
nobody should be paid for that sort of worthless shit
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
isn't it funny you guys how we're all watching this show about Queens and irl they're talking about the Queen lol how weird is that you guys
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
Also, was the zombie/white walker on the horse Dothraki? His hair and clothing made it look like he might be, but it is hard to tell because: zombie.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
No, they're all wildlings or Night's Watch men, people beyond the wall.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
undead first men.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
the white walkers aren't just reanimated humans, they're something more ancient/powerful that have the ability to reanimate the dead
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
man so assassin dude was magical!! in all ur faces
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
guys on the horses with ice swords = white walkerszombie horde on foot = wights, created by white walkers
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
changing them from 'others' to 'white walkers' for tv made the term 'wight' quite a bit more confusing it seems
as they same others as on lost tho idgi
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
this ep was pretty anticlimactic after the siege tbh, felt more like the slow first episode of a new season
maester luwin nooo ;_;
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
i disagree, i felt like it was a great comedown after the siege and set things up for next season nicely.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
the penultimate episode is the climactic one on pretty much every HBO show
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's true actually
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
I miss maester luwin
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
This was a lot like last season's in that it was all comedown/setting up for next season but with an awesome Dany/Dragon moment.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
changing them from 'others' to 'white walkers' for tv made the term 'wight' quite a bit more confusing it seemsthey are called white walkers in the series, but less often than 'Others' and usually by more peripheral characters.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
Soooo what happened to Hound?
― Evan, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
Ahe said fuck all this bullshit, it doesn't really matter, and he peaced out.
― Clay, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
In retrospect, I think that the way they did the Houses of the Holy is better than trying to adapt it direct from the books, if only as a mood piece. PARTICULARLY the Drogo scene, which is better than anything GRRM has written in the books.
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 05:44 (twelve years ago) link
I disagree, I felt like it lost all of its creepiness on screen. They truncated the hell out of it, to the point where it just seemed like a lame funhouse. Except the keep and the iron throne, that was p rad
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
my problem with the house was that dany's triumph over it seemed completely unearned. perhaps it would have been too programmatic and obvious, but i felt there should have been some real challenge overcome (and attendant "lesson learned") before unlocking dragon powerz.
also, leee otm: dany's reunion w/ drogo was one of the most moving moments of the season. i'm only repeating what others have said, but clarke handled it beautifully, and it went a long way towards making up for her deficiencies as an actor and the dullness of her character arc over the past few episodes.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
funny how people here really don't like Clarke as an actress. she gets praised a lot elsewhere.
I thought she did have to overcome the temptation to be with Drogo and live a happy existence in a dreamland.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, there was that suggestion, but no sense of real risk or accomplishment in it
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:15 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think there was risk, but I do think there was accomplishment. Dany had a bad arc this season though, and from what I've heard, that's largely the book's fault. I think she gained a better understanding of something though, and the dragons frying the warlock was pretty cool. And I loved seeing her being motherly and in control again.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
I really think that Drogo scene was great though, and I'm really impressed they managed to pull that out of the bag when there was no indication, even from her relationship with him last season, that they could do that.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:24 (twelve years ago) link
dany's arc in season two is WAY superior to her arc in book two, fwiw. but it was still pretty dumb.
― Clay, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:40 (twelve years ago) link
Also what kind of shit magician is this warlock dude. like "hey girl i caught you and i'm gonna harness you&your dragons' power to become king of the world" and then one lousy baby dragon flame later he's rolling on the floor burning ? i thought dude actually had some powers, whereas all he can do is some david copperfield i appear & disappear shit?
― Jibe, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 09:32 (twelve years ago) link
Magic almost solely seems to deal with illusion and perception in the world of ASOFAI. Maybe he thought Dani would be cowed and overawed enough not to use the dragonfire against him?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 10:55 (twelve years ago) link
tbh i'm just very disappointed in him being taken down quicker than i can say drakaris. anyways it just looked like very poor planning on his part.
― Jibe, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 11:11 (twelve years ago) link
Magic almost solely seems to deal with illusion and perception in the world of ASOFAI
what about ghost stannis?
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
Loved the close up shot of Tywin’s horse’s poop plopping on the floor before he entered the throne room.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe he thought Dani would be cowed and overawed enough not to use the dragonfire against him?
Maybe he thought tiny muppet dragons couldn't produce that kind of fire power.
The dragons were so 80s and adorable.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:23 (twelve years ago) link
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda)
All the exceptions seem to be when servants of the Red God are involved.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago) link
Or the Undying dude's teleportation.
― poxen, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
Everything supernatural in this that doesn't involve either dragons or white walkers is a bit rubbish really.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:01 (twelve years ago) link
I mean one of the reasons I like it is that it keeps all that stuff firmly in the background in favour of backstabbing and political intrigue but really having a smokey ghost Stannis that inexplicably doesn't do anything in an actual siege feels both wasteful and a cop-out.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
But that's everything. I'm even thinking now that the Lannisters exist solely to provide a family of capitalists with no supernatural powers
― poxen, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:03 (twelve years ago) link
At first (reading) I was frustrated that there wasn't a global magic system, like every other fantasy series, so there was logic and thus suspense. Then I realized that all these different systems draw so heavily on established archetypes that a global set of cheques and balances isn't necessary.
― poxen, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
So you expected smokey ghost Stannis just to hang out on the boats til the siege happened? It was clearly created for one task, which it achieved
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
you get more of a sense from the books that whatever magic there is to be manipulated in this world comes at significant cost, often personal to the wielder. i suppose you see the cost somewhat with the whole business of trying to resurrect drogo, a life for a life. but basically the few people that can legit do magical stuff are very limited with it - melisandre can't just pop out shadow spy kids every other day. the warlocks may have had power once but they are clearly charlatans by the point we meet them. i don't recall if the show mentions it, but the warlocks have some blue plant that they chew, some shamanistic hallucinogen thing, and they might not be any more magical than that, since they most they achieve is dany's altered perception in the House. obviously when you film it the images are more concrete so it seems a bit more substantial. so the reason they end up being quite so shit is that they were shit all along, and the show hints that they probably got carried away with themselves on the back of the surge of magical power the dragons create.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
feel like westeros is prob a place that used to be more magical but now its modernizing blah blah
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
ppl grew up and forgot about magic. it is v disney.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that convention isn't limited to Disney films
― poxen, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
that is a BOLD rejection of a claim no one is making
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
ha!
― poxen, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
who r 'the maesters'
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't Luwin say he'd studied magic?
― poxen, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
careful max this is nonspoiler thread, not that that's written as a big deal in the books or anything
and yeah a small handful of maesters study magic and have a special valyrian steel link in their chain to signify it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
oh whoops i thought this was the spoiler thread!!!! my mistake
― max, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
joe you dont have to http://i32.tinypic.com/33upd14.jpg
― max, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
jeez just want to know who the maesters r w/o reading some stupid nerd books *joins nights watch*
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
i don't recall if the show mentions it, but the warlocks have some blue plant that they chew, some shamanistic hallucinogen thing, and they might not be any more magical than that, since they most they achieve is dany's altered perception in the House.
seemed pretty clear from the assassination of the city council that warlock dude did have the ability to work some pretty substantial magic, that his powers weren't limited to just messin' with people's minds or w/e. hard to say, though. (i'm speaking only of the show's reality. shit in the books that isn't made clear in the show does not exist in the show afaic.)
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
i don't remember the scene well enough. what did he do?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
multiple versions of him appeared behind every council member and slit all of their throats at the same time
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 6 June 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
well it was the dragons that allowed that, right?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
no reason to think so
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
(no reason in-show i mean)
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
well the warlocks said so m/l
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
did they? if so, i missed or forgot about it. what did he/they say?
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
they said their power was increased w/dragons around
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
"when your dragons were born, our magic was born again. it is strongest in their presence, and theirs is strongest in yours."
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
are we sure there is just one dude and not multiple identical looking dudes? they do talk about warlocks plural
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
but it decreased our intelligence and we forgot they can shoot fire :(
― Jibe, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
xp: I like the ambiguity tbh; usually Dani is all "omg MAGIC" and everyone else in the scene is practically rolling their eyes going "argh jeez, just ignore him and he'll go away"
― WHEY AHR MAH DREGUNS? (DJP), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think the warlocks figured that the dragons were that powerful that little (even Dany could just barely get them to shoot a little bit of fire earlier in the season). That said, their "y'all gonna be here for eternity lolz" plan did seem pretty flawed as one imagines the dragons would grow.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
oop, i stand corrected. now that you mention it, i remember that line very clearly. anyway, point is that the warlock dude does have real magical abilities, though yeah, they may have seemed trivial w/out dani and her dragons around to amp the magic up.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
been looking to redecorate tbh
http://store.hbo.com/game-of-thrones-life-size-replica-iron-throne/detail.php?p=373634&v=hbo_shows_game-of-thrones
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
that would be perfect for my throne room
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
I want it for my front porch
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
TO SURVEY MY LANDS
hey - i got to sit in one of those a few months back!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
what ho? are you dragon-born sir?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
sword of.
sorry. Couldn't help myself.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
I am so running you through for that.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
Totally fair. I get your point.
Sorry.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
Drawn. And quartered.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
However you slice it, I was wrong.
Doh! Sorry.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
would love to sit on that and be like "Talk to the Hand... of the King!!!"
― that's why ZOG controls the radio (brownie), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
they had a GoT exhibit at the Tiff building by my office. you could sit in the iron throne and they'd take a few pics and send you on your way with a contact sheet and a DVD of the first episode. not bad for a free dealy!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
I would never get out of it once I sat down.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
"Come see the throne [with unremovable VG] today at Westfield Mall"
this broke my brainhttp://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/545148_307704782647277_1349063132_n.jpg
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Fkin Jean M Auel has to get her porny self in there...
― Guess what? They crucified him. (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
who is the dude on the right?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
the bastard
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
took me a minute too
jesus
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
dude playing theon is like a lifesize personification of feckless; great job casting director.
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Even with the glasses and the haircut I could tell it was Jon Snow because he is always making that same face.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://assets.flavorwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/snow.jpg
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
is that a recent photo? they all look very young, maybe from lack of beards?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
It's from before the first season
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i was thinking it was maybe from a book release party for Feast of Crows maybe.
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
that would make the pic about 6 1/2 years old... maybe?
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
This might not be common knowledge in the US but the dude who plays Theon is Lily Allen's brother (and Keith Allen's son obviously), he's basically a professional feckless tabloid twat. I quite like watching him as Theon because you know that only unpleasant things are going to happen to him.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
he really brought it in that scene with the maester tho tbf
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i think he killed it this whole season
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
so I was going to respond to the torrent and stream suggestions with a sactimonious response about how I don't want to watch this through non-legit means and want to wait for the HD glory of blu-ray, but then I thought "what the hell" and started checking out the streams.
I watched the first 3 episodes of season two and they are great! Clash of Kings is my favorite of the books so I think I'm really going to enjoy this.
So far the major changes (Mel and Stannis doin' it, Renly's love troubles, various other little details) haven't struck me as nearly egregious as the annoying new scenes from season 1. I hope this continues for the rest of the eps.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
wtf jon snow looks all meh, idgi. amazing what not brushing yr hair and wearing a giant animal pelt does for you.
are we SURE that's jon snow?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
all of them save jon snow still have some slight mediaeval flourishes to their look
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
(2min 20s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0gDQIB6AHw0#t=140s
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
Hmm... I thought it would embed but I think I broke it by trying to do the specific time URL. Anyway, yeah - 2min 20s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDQIB6AHw0
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
in order for it to embed, the v=[youtube tag] parameter has to come right after the question mark otherwise the site doesn't recognize it as an embeddable Youtube URL
― WHEY AHR MAH DREGUNS? (DJP), Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
otm about needing a merkin for that sequence; occurred to me as well.
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
I have such a girlcrush on Osha.
she's awesome.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
Her voice = hottt
― milk of the puppy (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
I said this to my friend who did some work with her and he said "she would destroy you"
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
even hotttter then
― milk of the puppy (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
I hate how she dips her head and moves it funny while she's talking? I think it's supposed to mimic predators surveying their prey or w/e and it gets used really clumsily sometimes to connote sexual rapaciousness or primitiveness of some kind and tbh it's just obnoxious on a lot of levels.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
I only just recently realized she was Tonks in Harry Potter (slow/too lazy to imdb)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
hmmm laurel that's a v interesting catch.
― milk of the puppy (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
tumblr-nonsense warning vvv
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m54re2XJGX1qc2jbwo1_r3_500.png
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
the thought of Joff with Natalie Dormer still gives me shivers
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I didn't really think about it at the time, because Littlefinger crepeing on Sansa out-shivered it but still
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
is that face she does her smile or just a face she does
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
perma- :/
― ༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't think Kit Harrington could get more emo than Jon Snow, but then
http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/545148_307704782647277_1349063132_n.jpg
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Friday, 8 June 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
On episode 7 and my least favorite part about season 2 so far is the recasting of Tywin as Arya's cuddly grandpa.
― Moodles, Friday, 15 June 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-sorry-that-george-w-bushs-severed-head-sort,81308/
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 15 June 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
haha waht
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 15 June 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
That was in the elevator news screen in three business buildings I was in yesterday. VIRAL
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 June 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/81/81308/original_jpg_300x1000_q85_jpg_300x1000_q85.jpg
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 15 June 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
i need to get this on bluray before they edit that out
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 15 June 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
The scene where Jaqen changes his face gave me chills.
― Moodles, Sunday, 17 June 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5rttm6zKB1qbypg1o1_250.gif
― Pubes Like Jagger (Leee), Sunday, 17 June 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
*hides*
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 June 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
the dude who plays Jaqen is so good
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 June 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
played
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 June 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 June 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
In the books, Joff's paternity is an open secret among the small council, but I forget who knew about it before Ned blew the lid off of that. Littlefinger, and maybe Varys?
― Pubes Like Jagger (Leee), Sunday, 17 June 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Oops, I mean, who on the show version knew about Joffcest before Ned.
― Pubes Like Jagger (Leee), Sunday, 17 June 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
I think it could have been an open secret amongst the small council. They never seemed shocked by the accusation, nor did it matter to them. The Maester must have known if he killed Ned's predecessor for finding out.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 17 June 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not entirely sure we know who killed jon arryn yet
― Clay, Sunday, 17 June 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
I thought the Maester told Tyrion that he did. I've not read the books so I might be wrong.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 17 June 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5jbfguv2t1rup5jwo1_r1_500.gif
― Moves Like Zappa (Leee), Monday, 18 June 2012 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/game-of-thrones-attack-ads
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL7RWUva7ak
― shaane, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-oZ4Bug_zA
― gyac, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
Hee hee. Nerds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 June 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
I understand, though. Every time I read GRRM nattering about football or working on Wild Cards or whatever I feel like yelling "SIT DOWN AND WORK ON WINDS OF WINTER!" but it wouldn't do any good.
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Friday, 29 June 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
it's true.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 June 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
he should just hire someone to write them for him
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 June 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
what's Brian Herbert up to?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 June 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rpSDSgChsaINew cast/characters for s3!
― gyac, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Did they find Thoros at a yoga studio?
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
diana fuckin' rigg!
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
crimeny! and is that Paul Kaye, from It's All Gone Pete Tong etc?
and the kid from Love, Actually?
also *sigh*...so many new bloody characters. A bunch need to die quickly.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
and the dude from the office
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 July 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah dennis pennishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v654Jh5Z9uI
― gyac, Friday, 13 July 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
premiere of season 3: March 31st, 2013.
― Clay, Friday, 13 July 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.accesshollywood.com/game-of-thrones-new-cast-members-announced-at-comic-con_article_67172
I didn't see Tara Fitzgerald as Stannis' wife and Tobias Menzies (Brutus on Rome) in that video. Might have missed it though.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 July 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
At least with Selyse, I figure it's because no one cares about her, esp. not with Stannis getting his hump on with Melisandre now.
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Saturday, 14 July 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
Thought she was a bit of a 'name' to be put into a thankless role but i'm probably inflating how much late 90s working class British dramedies have been retained in the public consciousness.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 July 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
Selyse is supposed to be pretty fug so I was surprised to see that they cast Tara Fitzgerald.
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Sunday, 15 July 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
Tyrion is supposed to be ugly too, didn't stop them from casting Dinklage
― where can i get a mcdonalds quesadilla tho (silby), Sunday, 15 July 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
A bunch need to die quickly.
Won't be a problem.
― Mark C, Monday, 16 July 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
*sharpens sword*
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
I think he would be a decent Ramsay Bolton.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Saturday, 21 July 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think so too, but think he's too attractive. Ramsay should be hideous.
― gyac, Saturday, 21 July 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, he holds the extraordinary distinction of being the most disgusting man in Westeros.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 22 July 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
he was Simon on Misfits! so he can do creepy/disgusting really well.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Sunday, 22 July 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
Only on the inside! xp
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Sunday, 22 July 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
He looks like every single other dude on this show
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Monday, 23 July 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
Why u racist against white guys.
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Monday, 23 July 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9tn6Ms-2g&feature=player_embedded
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
wow. pleasantly surprised!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
His Jon Snow is perfect, Kit Harrington should be scared.
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
Started this.
The more I watch of Game of Thrones, the more I want the entire crew to do an Napoleonic epic, like a Sharpe or Hornblower story with a proper budget.
― Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
i didnt realize that kira roessler (of black flag) is a dialogue editor on this. she was nominated for an emmy!
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't realise rebecca pendleton (team gb cycling team) is in this. weird!
― caek, Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
Wait maybe WE'RE in this.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
Wait, what? where's this rebecca chick?
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 8:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
!!!!
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 August 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ezf0zec61r8yaog.jpg
― Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Sunday, 12 August 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
oh man, Natalia Tena in this, oh man
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 17 August 2012 06:35 (twelve years ago) link
Ciaran Hinds is Mance Rayder.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 17 August 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting choice. On the one hand it's cool because he's a great actor. On the other, he seems a bit too old and serious for Mance.
― Moodles, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
omg <3 Ciaran Hinds
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 August 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Is Mance Rayder the king beyond The Wall?
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 17 August 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 August 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
always pictured Mance as a more rakish chap. Rather him than Dominic West (who apparently turned it down) though
― Number None, Friday, 17 August 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
aw, i woulda liked to have dominic west on this showfaking a baltimore accent
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
Heh, I like Oneal's write-up:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/game-of-thrones-finally-casts-its-mance-rayder-so,83985/
NEWSWIREGame Of Thrones finally cast its Mance Rayder, so we're pretty sure that's all the characters nowBy Sean O'Neal August 17, 2012After casting the entire population of the United Kingdom in other, non-Mance Rayder roles, Game Of Thrones has finally decided who will play the already-legendary King Beyond The Wall, whose name strikes fear in the hearts of easily upset fans reading Internet casting rumors. According to Entertainment Weekly, it's Ciarán Hinds, the Irish actor whose film credits include turns in Munich, There Will Be Blood, and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, although he is perhaps best known to HBO viewers for playing Julius Caesar on Rome, which was another sweeping, expensive, swords-and-sandals drama that didn't have enough dragons, and so it was canceled, despite its similarly rampant nudity. Hinds will likely fare much better here, provided everyone can get past his recent turn as a Bill Clinton cartoon on Political Animals.Anyway, this likely brings an end to Game Of Thrones casting news, unless George R.R. Martin created any more characters than that. It's been fun, everybody! Drop the banner and the balloons and let's shut it down.
By Sean O'Neal August 17, 2012
After casting the entire population of the United Kingdom in other, non-Mance Rayder roles, Game Of Thrones has finally decided who will play the already-legendary King Beyond The Wall, whose name strikes fear in the hearts of easily upset fans reading Internet casting rumors. According to Entertainment Weekly, it's Ciarán Hinds, the Irish actor whose film credits include turns in Munich, There Will Be Blood, and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, although he is perhaps best known to HBO viewers for playing Julius Caesar on Rome, which was another sweeping, expensive, swords-and-sandals drama that didn't have enough dragons, and so it was canceled, despite its similarly rampant nudity. Hinds will likely fare much better here, provided everyone can get past his recent turn as a Bill Clinton cartoon on Political Animals.
Anyway, this likely brings an end to Game Of Thrones casting news, unless George R.R. Martin created any more characters than that. It's been fun, everybody! Drop the banner and the balloons and let's shut it down.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think there has been nearly enough appreciation of Leee's JPG
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
By the gods, old and new, I wish that pic was my creation.
― Pilot Inspektor Leee (Leee), Saturday, 18 August 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
We have a Super Daario, and also a Grey Worm: http://winteriscoming.net/2012/08/daario-naharis-and-grey-worm-cast/
― Pilot Inspektor Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
they're still casting? blimey.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/170/400x400bd/170308_emilia-clarke-seth-macfarlane-alfie-allen-and-rose-leslie-attend-the-playboy-and-true-blood-2012-eve.jpg
Seth Macfarlane apparently trying to worm his way into the cast at ComiCon this year
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Sunday, 26 August 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEg4SEch27w
― R=J-L (Leee), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
^^ my favourite thing on the internet at the moment. It's the time stretched notes that crack me up for some reason.
― Remember you can talk to me any time, asshole (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 11:48 (twelve years ago) link
Very amewsing
― I am one who socks (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
I just caught up with this series, watched it one after the other over a weekend or so!
and for some reason, this is the question that sticks out with me -- it looks like catelyn left ned's body & head at the camp when she fled with brianna. i was surprised that there was no comment on it.
got the first book from the lib -- am wary of being super addicted and not being able to read/do anything else, but we will see!
― rayuela, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
(i am similarly frustrated by ged's loss of his pet the 2nd time around in the first earthsea book...no comment on how he had to lose him again right after he found him!)
― rayuela, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
the silent sisters agree to take the bones north with a contingent of knights/guards iirc.
― Clay, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
i am blanking on the silent sisters. that is from the book, right? haven't started the book yet. i meant how it is unaddressed on the show...(unless i totally missed this scene)
― rayuela, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
They are kind of nuns/priestesses. You see them in the very first episode tending to Jon Arryn's dead body.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
they're the quiet nurse/nun-like ladies treating soldiers on the battlefields and such. It's a religious order. I don't know if it's directly explained in the show but they're around. A group of them carry Ned's body in when littlefinger presents it to catelyn. XP
― Clay, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
hmm ok, i'll take it!
― rayuela, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
GRRM on WWDTM (haven't listened to it yet).
― Claudia Schiffer Kills Frog (Leee), Sunday, 23 September 2012 05:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/GameOfThrones__121114232131-575x766.jpg
― Gukbe, Thursday, 15 November 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
$331??!
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 15 November 2012 06:59 (eleven years ago) link
show is expensive so that's the new subscription cost for HBO.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 15 November 2012 07:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/wsg/image/1338/95/1338951381363.gif
Bravo/a, whoever did that.
― Gods Leee You Black Emperor (Leee), Thursday, 15 November 2012 07:09 (eleven years ago) link
If you look at that teaser poster upside-down, it sez "BOOBIES."
― Godspeed You Black Emperor Tomato Ketchup! (Leee), Monday, 19 November 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yj0e0r_yLI
― I was in this prematureleee air-conditioned supermarket (Leee), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
"Emilia's breasts are especially strong this year.""I spent the time off improving my breasts and I really think the viewers are going to notice.""We always said that if we could get to season three and really hold the story together, that's when we'd have time to show more breasts and that's what we're doing."
― (alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 8 December 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/104633909c9c4dddf13020688934815e/tumblr_mfaimidFIx1qz4cuyo1_500.jpg
Courtesy of carne asada.
― nickn, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
That's a bottle blonde, just like on the show.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Waiting patiently for Dornish wine.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
that ale needs more boobs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
triple-tittay-filtration system
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
If my house wasn't already completely overrun by pets I would adopt one of these poor huskies.
― this will surprise many (Nicole), Thursday, 27 December 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah huskies can be a real handful to train if you're not on yr game. lots of alpha domination shenanigans. I mean, no more than with other pack-type dogs but from what I have heard they're not the best for the casual dogowner
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
but lots of people just want the dog to be cute and be around when they're home and then that's it, they won't walk them or train them or hardly anything, it's such a bummer especially with those bigger breeds who need a lot of attention in that area
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
My housemates between them got me three Game of Thrones T-shirts for Christmas. THREE! What am I going to do with them all?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 30 December 2012 03:49 (eleven years ago) link
wear them imo
― Gukbe, Sunday, 30 December 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
If they got three wolves you have no choice but to buy a moon shirt.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 30 December 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
One is Ned Stark presenting the weather, on is all the house sigils of Westeros (my favourite) and the the other is Walter White sitting on the Iron Throne.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 30 December 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
just saw on imdb that noah taylor's in season 3. love that guy!
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 30 December 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
this is v exciting
i have had a crush on him forever
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 30 December 2012 05:00 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.tshirtvortex.net/walter-white-game-of-thrones-breaking-bad-t-shirt/did not know this was a thing
― ILX is not a non-profit — we are just not profitable (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 December 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
i wish it wasn't
― Number None, Sunday, 30 December 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
well that's my gut reaction too, but who is it hurting
― ILX is not a non-profit — we are just not profitable (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 December 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
Walter White presumably. That throne is notoriously uncomfortable
― Number None, Sunday, 30 December 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
the reputation of anyone who wears it
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Monday, 31 December 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
just finished S1 (DVD set was a Xmas gift)
it's okay, I guess. a mishmash of a lot of different fantasy conventions/tropes plus extra boobs/gore, I suppose that's the big appeal...?
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
yeah "realistic" fantasy
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
dunno how realistic boobs are, not like you see boobs irl
― autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 3 January 2013 05:00 (eleven years ago) link
you probably see more of them if you hang out at brothels
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 January 2013 05:02 (eleven years ago) link
Well this eats.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/jan/09/wilko-johnson-terminal-cancer
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 10 January 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Dinkins/HODOR.gif
― am0n, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:12 (eleven years ago) link
Promo photos is out:
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/game-of-thrones-season-3-first-look-mance-rayder-blackfish-more.jpg
http://images.tvrage.com/news/game-of-thrones-new-season-3-photos-reveal-looks-at-new-and-old-characters4.jpg
http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2013/1/25/season-3-characters-revealed.html?cmpid=ABC587
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
I like Ciaran Hinds, but he's a little bit of an odd choice for Mance. I pictured the character having a more youthful and mischievous look.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
I'm psyched for the Reeds, Thoros, and Beric Dondarion
― Moodles, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
They better include the mammoths & giants or there's gonna be a riot in the street (a riot consisting of me in running in my underwear and yelling at the sky, but a riot nonetheless)
― bleh (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
UH SPOILERS FUCK OFF!
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
No spoilers
― bleh (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
To be safe I guess one of the mods should probably change that sentence to "they better include Big Bird and Snuffleufagus"
― bleh (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
If you can't be bothered to read the books, fuck your "uh spoiler" crybaby bullshit.
― Nate Carson, Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:28 (eleven years ago) link
There's a whole other thread for spoilerful internet hardmen, iirc.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
― Nate Carson, Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:28 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
don't be such a loser, it says NO SPOILERS in the title, what's wrong with you
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
that was just a test to see if you could TAKE IT LIKE A MAN
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
Verdict: FAIL.
― SOPA Middleton (Leee), Thursday, 31 January 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
inset R Lee Ermey rant here
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
*insert
Slowly getting through S2, feel like they made Joffrey too evil, it's boring to watch any scene w/ him. Loving Lil' Stark & Grandpa Lannister
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 31 January 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's possible to make Joffrey too evil
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 31 January 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry. I just get riled up by the general public's illiteracy and lack of attention span. These are some of the best written popular books on the market, and people have to wait to see what happens on TV?
― Nate Carson, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
Loving Lil' Stark & Grandpa Lannister
This was my least favorite aspect of S2. Tywin Lannister is not a cuddly grandpa!
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
― Nate Carson, Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:17 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
we're not exactly talking faulkner here dude, set your snob-sights a little higher
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
yeah seriously, i can't wait to read all of these in 6 days sometime and prove my literary mettle.
― Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
REVERSE SNOBBED
― Number None, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
i'm appalled that the general public refuses to take its medicine and read a bunch of sleazy airport paperbacks
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
it is kind of bullshit if you love the show and consider the books beneath you. They're just better. I'm not going to get het up about it though
― Number None, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
don't even consider them beneath me, just know they are something you read at the pace of a sports biography rather than joyce or whatever.
― Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
plus tv is a more generally easy medium than literature.
― Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
not to even open that can of worms... just basically am surprised someone would lambast people from above for not reading this series of books.
I like the show but I'm not into fantasy enough to set aside the time to read 4000 pages on Westeros instead of 4000 pages of stuff that's already in my lineup and more my thing.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
the books aren't fine lit, but they are absolutely better than the tv show. Most of the places where the tv show deviates from the novels are missteps.
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
guess you haven't gotten to the 4th one yet
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
since the tv show hasn't done the 4th book yet, it remains to be seen whether they can improve upon it or not. I'm not super optimistic. I guess they could find a way to make both the 4th and 5th books shorter, that would be an improvment...
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
they should take the 4th and 5th books and condense them into the first 10 minutes of the 4th season opener
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
BTW, I got copies of the first 4 books for Christmas and am eagerly looking forward to re-reading them
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
the showrunners seem pretty savvy, i have some faith in them to cut the bullshit when they get to the parts where the books slow down
― ciderpress, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
hopefully so, but they've found ways to add in their own bullshit, so it will be tricky.
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
so the fact that I haven't finished book 3 even though I'm halfway through it basically makes me a war-criminal y/n
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
it is kind of bullshit if you love the show and consider the books beneath you.
no way show significantly better than these terrible books
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
I have physical and digital copies if the first book, and still haven't started it
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
mildly entertained by this show, could not give less of a fuck about the books tbh
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
More or less everything good in show is straight from the books, and they've added a lot of questionable shit. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise
― Number None, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
ppl who like the books must be liberally skipping sentences, paragraphs and entire chapters of tedious, boring, repetitive prose
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
the books are pretty great imo but i prefer the show slightly
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
i really could only get as far as i could (first third of fourth book iirc? maybe didn't even finish the third book) skimming
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
i like both. more lemon cakes in the books which is nice
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
they are both pretty much exactly equal in terms of quality
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Books don't have terrible sexposition scenes
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
On the flip side, the tv show avoids GRRM's habit of repeating everything a million times
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
not nearly enough boobs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
in the books, I mean
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
on the flip side, the tv show has lots of sexposition scenes
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
The show's they should take the 4th and 5th books and condense them into the first 10 minutes of the 4th season opener
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:49 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Seriously those last two books could have easily been one book.
The show does a pretty good job of paring down the books, so I actually look forward to seeing them condense the 4th and 5th.
― bleh (latebloomer), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
The TV Show comes out a measured pace, it might even finish by the time the books do - if I buy the existing books I'll just be jonesing for the next five years.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 1 February 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
It's true, reading all the books and then wondering if this nonsense will ever be resolved is basically the worst
― Moodles, Friday, 1 February 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
so the fact that I haven't finished book 3 even though I'm halfway through it basically makes me a war-criminal
in the pay of the Bloody Mummers tbh
― brownie, Friday, 1 February 2013 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
― Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda),
Some people read Joyce in a day.
― SOPA Middleton (Leee), Friday, 1 February 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
five hour energy
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 February 2013 03:13 (eleven years ago) link
also holy FUCKhttp://imgur.com/a/XfCkQ
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 February 2013 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/17iw9q/so_we_built_kings_landing_in_minecraft_heres_a/
i was all ready to say something snarky about that but it is actually kind of awesome
― zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
one of the most hilarious additions to the show is the abundant sexposition
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
^ dvd cover quote
― zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
The books are great but a little bit cold at heart, there is a certain infernal-machine-of-folly aspect that keeps him from being one of my favorite fantasists. That's really more to do with my temperament than a failing on his part.
At times I feel like the show is this story's best manifestation but then I remember what they did with the first Danaerys-Drogo sex scene and I'm like no fuck these guys forever. They haven't pulled something on that level in subsequent shows though.
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
dunno if this was already posted but it's super cute - Sansa, Arya and Bran doing a dorky beatbox to the opening theme, from Season 2 dvd commentary i think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnKxlncdZoM
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
By the Seven, I'm going to wish I were at home so I can watch that in is full stereo glory.
― SOPA Middleton (Leee), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
We estimate theres around 3000 unique buildings, all hand made and all fully decorated on the interior.
Holy fuck @ this.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
I did read and love the first book, but it took me way too long to finish, so I'm happy to segue over to the TV show for the rest of the story. I actually found the book pretty hardgoing and difficult - the stop/start chapter format kind of sapped my momentum. (By comparison, I breezed through The Stand.)
The guy who does the audiobooks is totally hammy but in a really excellent and charming way - I think that might be the optimal ASOIAF delivery method.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 1 February 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Audiobook spoiler: Tyrion is Welsh.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 1 February 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
fully expect Martin to die without finishing the series tbh
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
another one for Sanderson to mop up
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
the second book is better than the also-excellent first. starting 'a storm of swords' soon, hoping to finish before season 3 so i don't get inadvertently spoiled.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
once you move on to the second and third books, the first one starts to feel more like a prequel.
― Moodles, Friday, 1 February 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
This is Roy Dotrice; he is basically a god IMO
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 February 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
JESUS, SPOILERS MAN.
― SOPA Middleton (Leee), Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:59 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be happy with more redheads, tbqfh
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Saturday, 2 February 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'm on the last book, and keep putting off reading it so that I can stay in that world. Which on reflection is a bit sad.
― oh hai (captain rosie), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:28 (eleven years ago) link
The second and third books are the best in the series, although I've been putting off reading the fifth until the sixth is truly on the horizon.
My point above was simply that if you are SO CONCERNED about spoilers (it's just a tv show guys), then go out and read the books. You either care about this story, or you don't. Being invested in the tv show and not reading the books is weak. Saying, "I make time to watch television, but not to read novels," will not gain my respect.
Sure, GRRM is not Faulkner. Nor is he trying to be. But he's an immaculate craftsman and storyteller. I haven't had a writer's hooks that deep in me for a while. Literally could not wait to read what would happen next, until I reached the fourth book, which I consider the "methadone" book.
For my money, the best literary fantasy stylist is Gene Wolfe. And you can stack him against Joyce and Faulkner and literally anyone else you can think of.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
Fingers crossed that when this series is complete, HBO will option Wolfe's Book of the New Sun next. It could use more boobs too.
i read lots of books. i'm also enjoying this TV show, and enjoying being surprised by it. i don't need some sanctimonious asshole criticizing any of the above. thanks!
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Yup
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
I've read the books but consider this a particularly dickish POV.
― Ulna (Nicole), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
You either care about this story, or you don't.
what if you care about the story but not about the "scrollwork" on everybody's "doublets"
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i read (three of) them but only because my name is theon so it was a fascinating novelty
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think anyone cares about gaining your respect for reading a half-dozen fantasy novels, tbh.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
you all sound like dicks now
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
what is the sound of one dick clapping
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
remarkably similar to the sound of Martin typing
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
responding to someone you think is being sanctimonious by calling them an asshole is some bullshit.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
Gonorrheaing
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
it funny though, GOT does seem to occupy a fairly unique position with regard to spoilers. I can't think of any other adaptation that's inspired such animosity between readers and non-readers
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
There is a separate spoiler end thread to avoid this kind of hogwash.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
Spoilered*
exactly, the fact that two threads are required at all is unusual
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
it's almost like this story exists in two different formats
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
It's unique in that a serialised television show is an adaptation of a series of books.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
so is True Blood. I doubt anyone gives a shit about spoilers for that
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
ditto Dexter, although I gather the show went its own way after season 1
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
wasn't Walking Dead a comic book...?
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
Boardwalk Empire also an adaptation of some bio iirc
one book != a series
the list of television shows based off of comic books is ludicrously long
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.twonkhammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/monopoly-man.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
how many tv shows based on informative pamphlets/brochures I wonder
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
This show has deviated plenty.
I found the second season kind of sad. The "battle" of the Blackwater was pathetic. I knew they wouldn't have the cast of thousands necessary, but the 60 dudes they had made it worse than if they hadn't shown it.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
Nah the Blackwater battle was great. They did a really good job of scaling it down without making it look cheesy, I thought. I mean, it's never gonna match what's in your head.
― The Mini-Mamas and the Mini-Papas (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
At least they didn't just have Tyrion pass out at the beginning only to wake up in the aftermath.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
I thought it was cheesy as hell. You can't make King's Landing so big and have that handful be the invasion force. You either need to scale it all down or make sure your shots don't show that the line of men is twenty across and three deep.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
isn't that what cgi is for
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
My point above was simply that if you are SO CONCERNED about spoilers (it's just a tv show guys), then go out and read the books.
Ok - some of us are A) dyslexic and painfully slow readers; and B) incredibly busy with jobs and families and all that silly stuff and just don't have the time to read a bazillion pages worth of some fantasy books, simply to satisfy some smug, ignorant internet jerk-offs who are too lazy to find the thread specifically for the people who *have* read the mother fucking books.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
also, i thought the blackwater battle was great.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
The way people on this thread respond to someone telling you the books are worth reading is enlightening. you guys deserve this shitty tv adaptation.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
it's all love up in here, huh
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:20 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no, *this* is what cgi is for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddHy44cwsw
― The Mini-Mamas and the Mini-Papas (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
WE MUST FORM CLANS AND BATTLE TO THE DEATH
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8BPP4ASQWo
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
Glasgow Film Featival is screening "Blackwater" followed by a q+a with the cast (who? I don't know). Kind of want to go but after the EFF Serenity screening and q+a I think I'd just cringe a lot.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
BTW you guys Jaime Lannister is in the new horror film Mama and it's hella distracting for awhile.
― there were chinchillas, these weird little rat animals, in cages (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
Stannis was in Zero Dark Thirty
― The Mini-Mamas and the Mini-Papas (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
Cersei was the villain in Dredd, Mr Veg and I spent the first half of the movie waiting for them to introduce a sibling character for her to have sexytimes with
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
Melisandre will always, for me, be first and foremost the hott witch in Black Death.
― there were chinchillas, these weird little rat animals, in cages (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
Odd to look back and see Grandpa Lannister fighting off a Xenomorph in Alien 3.
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
Melissandre also as the Dutch resistance nazi killer in Voerhoeven's flick
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I will always think of Dinklage as the guy in The Station Agent.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
The way people on this thread respond to someone telling you the books are worth reading is enlightening.
If you're referring to me – I was not responding to someone say "oh hay, check out the books, you will like them" I was incensed at someone, too lazy to post in the thread made just for them to talk about what happens in the books; telling me how to live my life. I'm sure the books are great – if reading comes easy to you and you have a surplus of free time.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
I recently found out i have a mutual acquaintance with Joffrey. Apparently he hates talking about the show and acting in general
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
I always think of him as the man Tina Fey mistook for a child
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not offended by anything anyone said, nor should they be by my words. This is an internet discussion forum. Not sure why me sharing my opinion gets people so rankled.
Too busy to read? Great life you've created for yourself. I work seven days a week, but a bit of escapism/self-enrichment goes a long way to keeping me balanced, happy, and uninterested in calling people names on the internet.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
xpost - Porto guy -- of course I feel for you if you're dyslexic. That will make a 1000 page book a real chore. Peace man.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
says the guy who started this stupid argument by calling sean a "crybaby"
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
I love this thread so much more now. Thanks, everyone!
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
i never thought i would see someone trying to make a moral argument for spoilers
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure why me sharing my opinion gets people so rankled.Insulting people and willful misunderstanding get them rankled, IIRC(for instance, no one here is all "fuck reading" or devoid of escapism/self-enrichment)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/
so who gives a shit. also the books are awful.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
fuck reading! I'm not even reading this thread! DVRing it for later tho
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
i have my family act out ilx threads, pffft reading is SO 20th century
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
do we really need to get trolled into an argument about whether spoilers are necessary or not, seriously, there is no reason not to be a dick about this
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
the interpassive subject; i bookmark threads so that my browser can read them for me and i can do something more fun
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
if i'm not going to post trigger warnings i'm sure as hell not going to post spoiler warnings
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
the read the books/make time/no excuses/the things that i value the most are the things that everyone else should value the most argument is so stupid that everyone should just ignore it asap.
in other news, i finally caught up with this show so i was pumped to open this exciting thread! it's been forever, but what i was intending on posting turns out to have been said by Matt DC already:
― Matt DC, Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:01 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Matt DC, Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:02 AM (8 months ago)
i am not a big fan of the magic stuff in this show. i can tolerate the dragons, and i enjoy the whitewalker story line, but i hate it when magic is used as the deus ex machina. it's been a while so i can't really remember the details, but remember when the baratheon who likes to make out with the magic lady who wears red was in that struggle with his brother, and their troops were lined up across the river from each other? that was so awesome! so tense! how would they resolve it? oh, i know - just send a ghost magic thing to the other side and murder one of the brothers. that was less than satisfying.
― Z S, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
I recently found out i have a mutual acquaintance with Joffrey.
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 21:56 (36 minutes ago) Bookmark
i have one with renly baratheon. not quite so exciting :(
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
xp - magical assassin was def. the low point of the series so far, IMO
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
creepy ghost people fucking with Daenearys second worst
Thinking about GoT with all that thrown out makes me sad that we'll never get a series about medieval Europe with fewer boobs than The Tudors or that one that was similar to the Tudors but about the Medicis IIRC.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
Borgias you mean?
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
There's alway Cadfael.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
definitely. i was definitely glad to see the lead creepy ghost killed off (by a baby dragon?). but what a complete waste of time! i'm glad daenerys got to defeat the grand mage and level up (side quest: say final goodbye to a lost true love http://png-5.findicons.com/files/icons/1722/gnome_2_18_icon_theme/16/stock_form_checkbox.png), but it doesn't do much to advance her story arc.
― Z S, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
^House of the Undying in the book is AMAZING, which made the botched TV execution of it all the more sad.
― there were chinchillas, these weird little rat animals, in cages (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
See? WE DO SO TOO READ
http://25.media.tumblr.com/76851508bc532e984cc284a949c8e5db/tumblr_mhtpsbLcKM1s4m9sgo1_500.jpg
― The Mini-Mamas and the Mini-Papas (latebloomer), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
NO SPOILERS
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
FYI ghost Stannis was cribbed pretty much directly from the book, probably one of the more faithful interpretations IIRC
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
except for the part where they bone down
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
and it was a pretty cool scene in the book. I think it's supposed to be less of a deus ex machina moment and more of an "oh shit, Stannis can tap into some freaky magic, and he framed Catelyn!" moment.
― Moodles, Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
it doesn't do much to advance her story arc
oh sweet summer child...
― Moodles, Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit, is she going to level up so much that she too becomes a grand mage? or i guess a dragon mage? i hope her Dragona4 spell (enhanced by the corresponding dragon runes that she picks up on a side quest in season 4) is totally awesome to look at, sigh
― Z S, Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
the scene where she is basically down to zero mp is chilling
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
kinda want someone to keep the political intrigue and backstabbing of game of thrones but set it in a modern city instead, sans magic. for example, baltimore, early 2000s.
― Z S, Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
the problem with dany is that grrm will never ever think of anything remotely as cool for her to do as eating the heart while her brother watches
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
^that was amazing.
― Z S, Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
the thing about Martin's storytelling is that he is wholly, obstinately wedded to the idea of trying to subvert most common pulp fantasy cliches in the most depressing, brutal manner possible; the entire execution of Renly fits well into this because Renly was on the verge of wiping Stannis and his forces off the map and in the running with Robb for "most benevolent option as king of Westeros" up until his brother's witch lover summoned up a giant ghost baby that stabbed him in the gut
basically, if you are viewing all of these plots with the idea that at some point horrifying consequences are going to come down on half the characters like a ton of bricks, you will do well at guessing which direction Martin is most likely to go
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
Woah, hot medic is Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 7 February 2013 03:24 (eleven years ago) link
House of the Undying in the book is AMAZING, which made the botched TV execution of it all the more sad.
Meh, I found it pretty trite, plus, every time we get supernatural bollocks in this vein I shed a tear.
― SOPA Middleton (Leee), Thursday, 7 February 2013 06:49 (eleven years ago) link
kinda want someone to keep the "basically, if you are viewing all of these plots with the idea that at some point horrifying consequences are going to come down on half the characters like a ton of bricks, you will do well at guessing which direction Martin is most likely to go" of game of thrones but set it in a modern city instead, sans magic. for example, baltimore, early 2000s.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 7 February 2013 08:26 (eleven years ago) link
that would be a great show! we could call it...mcnulty & friendz
― Z S, Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno The Wire plus magic could be a good time
― there were chinchillas, these weird little rat animals, in cages (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
"Omar summonin'."
― Gukbe, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
There was a pretty awesome crime procedural in an alternate future San Francisco with magic that made a pilot, never aired, and wasn't picked up. The pilot was on youtube for like a day sometime last year. Still hoping the Sci Fi channel or someone runs with it.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
Was that the Ronald D Moore show I heard about?
― Gukbe, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
It was going to be called Precinct 17 iirc?
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, 17th Precinct, which is a terrible name. Yeah, that's the Moore. I thought it was completely great! Stockard Channing and Tricia Helfer, y'all!
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
To be fair, I have no idea how anyone could execute the House of the Undying scene well. There was a lot going on there.
― Ulna (Nicole), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
omg that show sounds amazing
― ciderpress, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
the fifth season of the wire had magic iirc
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
It was seriously cool. Where we would use electricity, they used a magic life-force sourced from growing plants. It sounds gimmicky but it was inserted smoothly and not explained except by demonstration--a quick shot of the Golden Gate bridge turned into a giant trellis and covered with verdant growth, wall planters in people's homes in the backgrounds of shots, etc.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
That sounds p awes. Like Ballard but happy!
― there were chinchillas, these weird little rat animals, in cages (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
i sometimes use a magic life-force sourced from growing plants if you know what i meaaaaannnnn
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
OH NO YOU DI'INT
― there were chinchillas, these weird little rat animals, in cages (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcsh22pYjv1r4chwro1_500.gif
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
From what I know about that pilot, it's probly a good thing it didn't air.
I think Ron Moore made it in Vancouver with BSG castmembers
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry for insulting anyone. I realize that Game of Thrones is pretty lightweight G-rated material.
Anyway, I'm just gonna stare at the bud gif for a while and chill out.
― Nate Carson, Friday, 8 February 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
something we can all agree on right
― zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 8 February 2013 05:00 (eleven years ago) link
It may be the answer as to how I was able to read 4000 pages of highly detailed fantasy without getting bored...
― Nate Carson, Friday, 8 February 2013 07:20 (eleven years ago) link
Something else Nate and I can agree on is the primacy of Gene Wolfe. I kind of DON'T hope they try to adapt The New Sun though. It feels impossible.
― try a little crowleymass (Jon Lewis), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
True. But I would watch it. And better HBO than anyone else... I've always been scared it would get the Dr Who treatment someday.
― Nate Carson, Friday, 8 February 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
I'd prefer to see HBO tackle an SF property next, maybe the Culture novels.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 9 February 2013 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
― schwantz, Saturday, 9 February 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzI9v_B4sxw
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
Man you guys are understated when it comes to reactions. (Then again, Oscars and all.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
Needs more boobs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 February 2013 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
Well, there's Theon, and Joffrey.
― Liz Phair Dinkum (Leee), Monday, 25 February 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 February 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDTQ8oQCMAA6LSS.jpg
― Liz Phair Dinkum (Leee), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
wtf with that url
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
ah not org, comnevermind
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
this show feels like such a humorless grind, feel like it could go on forever and nothing would ever get really resolved
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
very faithful to the books in that regard.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
― Moodles, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
http://geek-news.mtv.com/2013/03/05/the-hold-steady-game-of-thrones-season-3/
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
lol/wtf at them using a file photo with Franz still in it tho
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Um is anyone playing the facebook game of thrones game? I even set up a fake facebook account so I could indulge in the nerdiness. This is probably one of the worst things I've done in my life.
― Ulna (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
noooooooo Nicole nooooooooo
― "Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
Don't cry for me, I'm already dead.
― Ulna (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=2fPgIIB67bw
― the craziest half-court shots and wildest WAGs (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
Did Xena have a theme song that shitty?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVEU7sBXNH4
Xena theme - wouldn't be out of place in Game of Thrones!
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
i had no idea the bulgarian national women's choir did the theme for xena, that's a shocker for me
― the craziest half-court shots and wildest WAGs (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
RFI LONG TERM ARC: my human woman-friend is upset about gender roles in this mideval/fantasy series. Do the ladies get to do stuff besides get drilled; married off or should I resign myself to watching this... myself? No need to sugar coat it.
Follow up: Is there an episode we should jump to in order to calm her fears of a 16-ep rapefest?
― Guy was knee-deep in water (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 18 March 2013 11:13 (eleven years ago) link
NB - we barely made it thru the first episode
there's some strong female characters but probably not enough to balance out that stuff if you're already balking at ep #1
― ciderpress, Monday, 18 March 2013 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
I am surprised you were shocked, they have such a distinctive sound.
― Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
ffs@people jumping on the bulgarian choir bandwagon in 2013? since slovene balakov left it's all been commercial shit anyway.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 March 2013 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
(well worth googling "bulgarian names" imo - if you want to achieve you have to put the work in and get it right.)
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 March 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
V good thx u I will watch w-o others then
― Guy was knee-deep in water (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 18 March 2013 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
Trailer 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4XSeW4B5Rg
― Gukbe, Monday, 18 March 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
game of tron
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 March 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
Jimmy,
The books do a good job of focusing on the stories of many different female characters, detailing how they live in a very harsh world that is particularly bad for women and how they each must develop their own personal strategies for navigating and succeeding in such difficult environment.
So far the HBO series has followed these same stories, but it tends to undermine them by throwing in lots of unnecessary sex and nudity that didn't show up in the novels. Any time a potential titilating detail is hinted at in the books, it turns into a soft core porn scene in the tv show. Plus the bulk of additional scenes in the tv show that were not in the books are sex scenes.
― Moodles, Monday, 18 March 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
I am surprised you were shocked, they have such a distinctive sound.― Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, March 18, 2013
um... i may never have watched an episode of xena beforeLG, The Choir at Vanderbilt was the first concert I ever paid to see back when i was like thirteen and o wait u are fucking with me
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 March 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Reviews for the first 4 eps of season 3 are beginning to pop up, but more interesting perhaps was this little interview:
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/game-of-thrones-producers-say-season-3-as-big-as-were-going-to-get
― Gukbe, Thursday, 28 March 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
let me guess: producers say season 3 as big as they're going to get
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 March 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if some torrents will appear
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 28 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait for their interviews before season 4: "this year is solid sure, but like we said, last year was really the obvious peak."
― Clay, Thursday, 28 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
i wonder if some fake torrents will appear
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 28 March 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
They weren't saying it was "the biggest and best season", they were saying that as far as number of characters/storylines go, this is the biggest in terms of size. He says that pieces get moved off the chess board and it starts to thin out after this season.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
yeah if you've read the book that comment provokes a 'no shit'. gonna be fun watching ppl react to this season.
― balls, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
i can't wait. i feel i was vaguely spoiled a few years ago but maybe not.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
yeah if you've read the book that comment provokes a 'no shit'.
Which would be a small proportion of the people who watch the show.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 29 March 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
o no i guess they can worry that some quote from some producer in some glossy is overhyping this season
― balls, Friday, 29 March 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
or you could read the bloody quote:
"Season 3 is probably the biggest in terms of the number of new characters, number of new stories overall," Benioff explained. "The universe has expanded as much as it's going to, and now it's going to contract... As pieces start to get removed from the chessboard, we'll have fewer on there. We're nearly to the midpoint (of the story), and it'll be interesting to see what's going forward with the endgame."
― Gukbe, Friday, 29 March 2013 11:21 (eleven years ago) link
tl
― zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 29 March 2013 12:38 (eleven years ago) link
dr
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
how are we at the midpoint of the story when season 3 is the second half of book 2? (right?)
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 29 March 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
It's the first half of book 3.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
because books 4 and 5 move the story forward about 2 centimeters
― zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
at least they don't have extended scenes of everyone bathing
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Saturday, 30 March 2013 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
Well, they haven't been adapted yet.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 30 March 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
i hope this means they're going to severely curtail dragon woman's arc
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
i mean not that i'm going to watch the show? just that i hope these professionals employed in this business of making narrative entertainment are at least as smart as i am
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
is there a new thread for the new season?
enjoyed it well enough, i guess they have to set the scene once again, solid ep imo.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 April 2013 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah. Will probably take me another episode to get back into the rhythm of "here's 3 minutes with this character". Dany's adventures look promising!
― Gukbe, Monday, 1 April 2013 12:50 (eleven years ago) link
the tywin/tyrian scene was great. tywin so obviously the embittered one accusing tyrian of being that.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 April 2013 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
I couldn't figure out how much time had passed between last season and this one. Those dragons grew a lot while Jon was being walked to Mance.
Also I really liked Natalie Dormer in this.
― Gukbe, Monday, 1 April 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah interesting stuff with her character winning people over. presumably it'll initially help joffrey but speeds up the phasing out of cersei.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 April 2013 13:05 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't see that dynamic coming at all, so this is exciting. I felt the Margery thing in the finale last season was kind of a throwaway thing.
― Gukbe, Monday, 1 April 2013 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
Worst part of the episode was the lack of Arya. I guess she'll just be walking around Westeros though.
i thought this was a very boring premiere
― homosexual II, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
I liked the comet at the beginning of season 2, and wish they could have done something like that here, but otherwise I think this is about what to expect from GoT early season episodes.
― Gukbe, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
The Tywin vs Tyrion and Margaery vs Cersei scenes were great standouts. Also: a giant! But, yeah, no Arya or Brienne of Tarth, but otherwise it was a fine setting-up-the-pieces opener.
Those dragons grew a lot while Jon was being walked to Mance.
And while Davos was lying on that rock.
― DavidM, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
this premiere was at least less boring than the doctor who premiere, but still a bit boring. still, looking forward to things!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
Game of Sassy Conversations
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't get what had gone down at Harrenhal. Last I remember, in season 2, Arya escaped and Tywin rode off for Kings Landing. And somewhere between then and this episode a huge battle/massacre occurred... ? idgi. I've clearly missed something.
― DavidM, Monday, 1 April 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
"The Northern army prepares to seize Harrenhal, only to find that Ser Gregor Clegane has already abandoned the castle and put all the Northern and Riverlands prisoners to the sword."
― Clay, Monday, 1 April 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
interesting stuff with her character winning people over
And Joffrey being all "she's very good at this... charity thing", and not dismissing or admonishing her. I'm starting to get a kind of a Charles and Di vibe from these two.
Having black smoke wafting off a ruined Winterfell in the title sequence was another nice touch.
― DavidM, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
Gleeson's delivery of "charity" was pretty great, as if he was actually searching his head pretty hard to land on that word.
― Clay, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
And when you found out how Smokey gets to the Island from Lost... oops, spoiler.
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 06:09 (eleven years ago) link
OTM, best scene in the episode. I like where the Joffrey storyline appears to be going as well.
I can't work out whether the actor playing Stannis is poorly cast or whether the character is just boring, but the scenes with him really sag, even if he's laying siege to a city or something.
Also can anyone refresh my memory as to what happened at Winterfell at the end of last season? Like I know Theon went mental and then they knocked him out and got him out of there, but who was it who actually wrecked the place? There appears to be a conspicuous lack of victorious Lannister dudes wandering around.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:11 (eleven years ago) link
I like the Stannis stuff actually, isn't he kind of meant to be sort of dead inside and excited only by power? That's the vibe I get from the way the actor is doing it.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:19 (eleven years ago) link
Also can anyone refresh my memory as to what happened at Winterfell at the end of last season?"
The show hasn't said yet but based on some casting spoilers you'll be finding out in the next couple of episodes. Your instincts re: The Lannisters are correct, I think it's okay to say that much. Robb vs Tywin/Gregor is currently going on well farther south, in the riverlands. The L's don't have any significant parties in the North.
But yeah the show's lack of clarity about the sacking of winterfell late last year was a big storytelling sin imo.
― Clay, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:29 (eleven years ago) link
i can't even remember how they fudged it but i am now recalling us discussing how weird/stupid it was here.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:50 (eleven years ago) link
Also I'm struggling to remember if we've seen the shipwrecked guy and his pirate friend before, even in a minor capacity.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:56 (eleven years ago) link
shipwrecked guy was Stannis' second in command and he lept off a ship at Blackwater. pirate guy was around too, as he supplied the ships.
Winterfell "cliffhanger" was clumsy as hell and totally unclear. Very poorly done.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:57 (eleven years ago) link
Ah you must remember him, he was in it a lot. His (now dead) son was a big fan of the evil magic woman. The pirate guy basically backed Stannis with his boats.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:19 (eleven years ago) link
There was also a long story about how the guy (Davos, I think?) smuggled in food and saved Stannis and his men's life back when they were under siege at Dragonstone.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:21 (eleven years ago) link
Which is why they call him the Onion Knight.
― Des Fusils Pour Banter (ShariVari), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:23 (eleven years ago) link
He is supposed to be a fundamentally unlikable person.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:44 (eleven years ago) link
It's more that he... sort of lacks presence? Maybe that's part of the point, but he's not even unlikeable in a particularly watchable way.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:46 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, he is supposed to lack presence, I think. Wasn't the point made, that Stannis is clearly the rightful king, but nobody cares about him because he is so much of a nonentity?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:50 (eleven years ago) link
I loved him as Thomas Jefferson in John Adams but I do think he's a little ham-strung by the writing/character here.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:50 (eleven years ago) link
I think I remember a line in Season 1 "we all know what Stannis is..."
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
I think the show seems to infer that Theon's peeps burnt Winterfell?
That might prove to be wrong, but not having read the second book, it didn't seem like a weird plothole to me.
Agreed, bit of a low-key start but excited to have the show back.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 12:50 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, stannis is just supposed to be kind of a boring dude with his bloody-minded fixation on being king as his sole character trait
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
if i ever write an epic high fantasy series and i'm sketching out my character outlines, i'm going to try to remember:
don't make lack of presence and dullness the defining qualities of a character
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
Or like, use it as comic relief. Everyone going: Him?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
If it's that bad to watch a 4-minute scene with him in it, imagine how all his friends and relatives feel...which is why Robert gave him a remote island to rule, iirc, that would keep him far away from court.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
i'm hoping that after the level 47 red mage woman dies off (she DOES die off, right? everyone hates her, right?) that he has some sort of awakening and realizes that he, too, can say interesting things
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
The women in this are doing pretty well at outliving their husbands, and most of them can't make people burst into flames. I'd guess she'll be around a while longer. She is awful though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone in the show have enough MP to just blow up Dragonstone Island?
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
I like her Foreboding Synth Background Nusic, though
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
Or music, even
Yeah, I love that music.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
I imagine Stannis hears that on loop in his head, blocking out all other thoughts.
It is interesting to see everyone sway to a collective anti-Stannis (actor) position but I don't find him very dull. The "dead inside" description was apt. As someone who hasn't read the books it will be fun to watch him come apart even more at the hands of the fire lady. I just wonder why their demon baby seemed to be a one-use disposable prince-killer...
And as far as Winterfell I agree that it was suggested that Theon's not so loyal goons destroyed it as they exited. What was clumsy was the fact that we knew they were surrounded by Winterfell soldiers before they left so I don't know how they would gotten away with any vandalism if they were going to escape alive. They certainly didn't know about secret tunnels the kids escaped through.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
Wait, that's not what happened, is it? Is it spoilering to say that?
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
I can't remember if we, the readers/viewers are supposed to know this at this point, not that it's any kind of big deal.
I can only speculate based on the show, I didn't read any books.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
From above: The show hasn't said yet but based on some casting spoilers you'll be finding out in the next couple of episodes.
In other news, closed-caption from the first episode:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/7fe8ca008b24dfdb6f22ea9ab614150d/tumblr_mj82j1QxLL1qmqh7go1_500.jpg
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
Bah http://25.media.tumblr.com/7fe8ca008b24dfdb6f22ea9ab614150d/tumblr_mj82j1QxLL1qmqh7go1_500.jpg
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
The burning of Winterfell and the massacre at Harenhal were both skipped over, and for both times we see characters walk into the aftermath and it's like 'wha happen?'.
Melisandre is a pretty good character, imo - she livens the Stannis-is-brooding scenes up, anyhow. Oh, and Carice van Houten is kind of stunning.
― DavidM, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
Ah that explains it, I thought Robb and Catelyn were back at Winterfell in that scene. These ruined castles full of bodies all look the same to me.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
I believe the whole liberation of Winterfell was just as ambiguous at this point in the book as it was at the end of season 2. I think what we are supposed to assume from the tv show is that Theon's men were allowed to walk out of Winterfell since they were handing it over and leaving Theon to the liberators, but this isn't really spelled out.
There was a discussion at one point in s2 between Robb Stark and Roose Bolton concerning what to do about Winterfell.
Stannis and Melisandre are two of my favorite characters from the books so I think I'm a bit biased toward them. I'm always happy when they show up, but I haven't watched the new episode yet.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
the expression that flashed across his face when he finds out Davos survived cracked me up.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
Thinking about it, Davos is a bit crap at everything, isn't he?
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Onions. He's good with them
― Number None, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
Trying to think how to phrase this without spoiling anything for the guys who haven't read the books, but I don't Stannis should be written off yet, although I do kinda agree about the tv show depiction not being too enthralling.
But srsly, being a merciless, dead-behind-the-eyes and entirely unbending monomaniac who is not only in a position of power and influence but, more importantly, believes 110% in the validity of that position - well it can make for some interesting developments in a world where basically everyone else is either a craven little bitch or a treacherous backstabber.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
they did paint him as quite a fierce warrior in the battle at the end of the last season.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I've enjoyed Stannis's characterization for the most part.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ stannis stan
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:30 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think this is important to his depiction overall. like even in that big battle i remember him having a determined stoicism that was quite powerful so the flipside of him being just kinda subdued during everyday life works for me
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/ef22c5774f746e02a41d165c9758c783/tumblr_mkk7482WjV1qlsifao2_250.gif
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
^looks like he's using that Klaus Kinski trick w/ his feet to make that turn
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
just thinking the same thing
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe he can make that his outstanding feature
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
The Pivotmaker, from Dragonstone
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i think cos literally everyone else in the cast has rich thespy presence then stannis' total lack becomes striking and intriguing. imagine if you had someone else doing proper actor ~brooding~ instead, it really wouldnt be that interesting
also they over-egg the melisandre context around him so much he doesnt need to add to it, not til some plot develops anyway
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
anyway this ep pleased meh (despite having forgotten loads)
hope it wasnt just me that jumped back from killer iridescent scorpion thing scuttling @ u face
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
show got the official season 4 pickup today btw.
― Clay, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
re: destruction of Winterfell. I haven't read the books, but it seemed pretty crucial to me that Robb was persuaded not to go back to Winterfell but to let one of his bannermen's relatives take care of it.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
When I re-watched it I seem to remember the Iron Island folk just grabbing Theon and fleeing when they were surrounded by said bannerman's relative. Don't know if I'm just misinterpreting it though.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
that's m/l what the show wants you to think right now if i read the scene correctly.
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
bummer about this show is that i'm terrified of googling minor questions so i'm asking here: the guy who saved Dany's life at the end and begged for forgiveness, was he the guy that Tyrion fired as the Kingsguard last season?
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
That's Barristan Selmy, who got relieved of his duties by Joffrey et al in season 1 ("naked knight"), not by Tyrion.
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
He's regarded as a legendary knight in Westeros ('Barristan the Bold'), which the show has stressed less than the books.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
Ah, right. I knew I recognised him.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
still haven't seen this ep yet, but just wanted to chime in with the "bite me, Stannis is awesome" crowd
he's one of the actors who really nailed how I envisioned the character when I was reading the books
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
yeah he gets stannis down pretty much as i imagined him. he could be even more reserved and bitter even!
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
stannis is such a grim singleminded mfer, i love it. the depiction on the show is i feel vv otm.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
I think Stannis is being played quite subtly too, like he seems deep within some mental prison of his own construction, and only occasionally is he roused, usually by a glimpse of power, or really clearly by the battle.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 07:19 (eleven years ago) link
stannis is my fav book character and the guy who looks like james nesbitt does a great job playing him, but i feel like the show's kinda giving him short shrift, esp his relationship with davos
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 08:06 (eleven years ago) link
Stannis is fine as the taciturn, pensive still figure in the centre of the tug-of-war between Davos and Melisandre, but he's not that compelling a character on his own. In the TV series, anyway.
― DavidM, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
It's never really clear what his motivations are re: Melisandre, which comes across as a writing weakness. But then he might be playing a long game, so who knows I guess?
Basically I think Patrick Malahide should play both roles in different wigs.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
lolled at hopelessly in love jorah's face at the end when dude he was bigging up declared heroic fealty
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
is there any reason i'm forgetting not to think iain glen's had a terrible waste of a career considering how great he looks in this
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:06 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
ya and i feel like the sexy melisandre thing kind of makes him less interesting, his monkishness disinterest in anything sexual is a big part of his character imo
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 13:12 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know about all of you, but Barristan the Bold in the show does not seem like a fierce, legendary guy. They could have casted a more interesting looking actor couldn't they?
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
This was the best part of the episode!
― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
they might as well have ended it with him turning to camera and saying "oh bugger" like a fast show sketch
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
Evan, yeah, the show hasn't done much to establish his credibility, though in the books we mostly only hear about his feats second or third hand.
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
I mean the guy doesn't really emit "legendary warrior" at all to me.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
Even if they haven't emphasized it in the script.
it's quite rare for a show to do unrequited love in this teenage "she can never know" way. though maybe they had one brief chat about it last year and she silenced him swiftly? seem to remember him making a cack-handed move which he's probably turned over in his mind a hundred thousand times since...
xpost it's not that Barristan looks boring, just basically that he looks like a dad's drinking buddy or one of the more socially well-adjusted priests.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
Exactly, I couldn't think of a good comparison myself but that's exactly what I mean.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
god I can't tell you how happy I am to see this show again
a season of The Walking Dead has made me grateful for amusing dialogue + things happening
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
I too am just obsessed with the zombie apocalypse world and could really give a shit about the characters in that show, if you agree.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
I thought w/the robe especially the show was going for an old Ben Kenobi look with Selmy.
― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I thought that too
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/household/kitchen/game-of-thrones-sigil-cookie-7358.jpg
― nashwan, Thursday, 4 April 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
Tyriyum
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
Tyriondoodle
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwF-D5wEEmk
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Surprising fit!
― R = J - L (Leee), Sunday, 7 April 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
Bran got all puberty between seasons
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Monday, 8 April 2013 02:31 (eleven years ago) link
will someone just give me their HBOGO password please
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 8 April 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
If they do, can I come over and watch it? We are up the same Meereenese crick.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Monday, 8 April 2013 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
of course you can, laurel.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 8 April 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
So many great new characters: Diana Rigg as kindly (?) supersmart matriarch! Two supercool slightly creepy wizard teens! A wily drunken swordsman-rebel with a wicked archer of a pal!
― sean gramophone, Monday, 8 April 2013 04:13 (eleven years ago) link
did not catch that was diana rigg. she was real good.
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 April 2013 06:01 (eleven years ago) link
Were we supposed to recognize the leader of the Brotherhood?
― sean gramophone, Monday, 8 April 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
He was mentioned in passing at one point by Robert but I believe that was his first on-screen appearance.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 8 April 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
finally! Jaime Lannister and Brienne fight!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 April 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
loved watching him get pwned!
backing up to the first episode of the season, what happened when the "200 northmen were slaughtered" and why was it Lady Stark's fault again? I'm a little lost on that plotline, when they rode up to the massacred village or whatever. don't even know exactly where that was supposed to be.
― dmr, Monday, 8 April 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
did he CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, 8 April 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
the 'village' is castle harrenhal, where tywin and the lannisters are were camped before the battle, and where arya and pals escaped from. presumably the 200 northmen were killed by them as they left? it is not entirely clear where the 200 northmen came from, perhaps it will be explained. the lady stark bit is referencing her releasing jamie lannister, who killed karstark's 2 sons.
and thomp's post is probably closer to a spoiler than a no spoilers thread really wants
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 8 April 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
all right thanks. makes sense. maybe the 200 northmen were among the people being held prisoner there? I didn't get whether Lady Stark was like, directly resposible or just be accused of aiding a Lannister in general (the latter I guess)
yeah that's why I usually never look at this thread.
― dmr, Monday, 8 April 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
it wasn't totally clear, but roose bolton specifically refers to karstark's sons between the mention of the 200 and the bit about their killer running free
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 8 April 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
If it's an actual spoiler then it should be deleted.
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 April 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
…and so should thomp.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
Ugh. Paul Kaye looking similar to his character in the UK bookie adverts seems bad casting atm.
― kraudive, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
This episode was kind of just 45mins of people walking around various territories but I really enjoyed it. The Jaime and Brienne scenes were great in particular.
I like the Margaery/Cersei/Joffrey storyline is going. Also yay for Diana Rigg.
Can someone either get Sansa out of there or just kill her because I'm bored of watching her idiot doormat face mooning round King's Landing to no effect.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
Haha Sansa is finally coming across the way she does in the books for Matt
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
Aw, I like Sansa.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
Most of the Stark children bar Arya are pretty dull (although Bran might get interesting now he had magic animal powers) but Sansa is just SO STUPID.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I've never really given two hoots for Sansa. She wasn't particularly sympathetic in the first season, but I've still not warmed to her.
Funny how this episode was largely about regular characters having uneasy encounters with strangers during their travels. Three times in one episode this happened.
― DavidM, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 12:59 (eleven years ago) link
Sansa on the show is way more relatable/likable than Sansa in the books IMO; it is true though that Arya and Bran are the most interesting Stark children
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
i actually have found the reverse. GRRM sets you up to dislike sansa but then flips that on you and makes her v sympathetic, in a way that is not coming across in the show for i would say 2 reasons, one that the show has to move on too quickly from the horrible shit she goes thru whereas the books can linger, and two she is the second worse actor in the regular crew after alfie/theon. she doesn't seem desperate, just vapid.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:20 (eleven years ago) link
I think she is actually a very good actor who has the misfortune of being surrounded by a bunch of really excellent actors and a dude with a super easy part to play
Also Sansa in the books was totally vapid when not being desperate, come on
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
I think Alfie Allen is pretty good as Theon actually, I've no idea what he's supposed to be like in the books but if he's meant to be a self-absorbed idiot who is way way way out of his depth then that's good casting.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty much
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I'd say that that's bang on Theon's character really
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:42 (eleven years ago) link
It is, but i still think Allen is crap
― Number None, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
Uh no the worst actor is clearly Daenerys. Ugh ugh ugh!
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
always got time to watch alfie being tortured
was/am really hoping rigg and bitchfacewhatshername stitch sansa up for her honesty
bran's lot are sort of turning into the worst indie band ever, can they just get to where they're going and disperse already
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
paul kaye is basically unemployable as far as the uk audience goes - i'm sure he's probably right for the role but he is always just paul kaye and nothing else
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ worst indie band ever, that is the best way to describe that story arc
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
I am not familiar with Paul Kaye, it sounds like that's for the best?
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
I really enjoyed Paul Kaye in this!
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
If you want to know more/risk ruining his character, Youtube Dennis Pennis.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
dennis pennis is the only time he's not been "paul kaye" though
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
i had no idea about paul kaye casting so that was a big wtf moment for me but i actually thought he was very good in what seems to a fun role standing in for 2 or 3 book characters.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
guy playing jojen reed seems very good, british child actor in thee classic mould, would have been great in the tripods or summat
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
railway chidren
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
etc
Bran grew so much that when we first saw him, I thought he was Jojen, at first.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
took me a bit to figure out where i recognized Bolton's scout (dude on the horse in the last scene) from.Noah Taylor, the guy who played hitler in Max. if he's going to be a reoccurring character i will probably not be able to stop thinking of him as a scraggly hitler with a beard.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
He reminds me of Nick Cave, who seems like he'd be a House Bolton dude.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli
He was great in Doctor Who a couple of years ago.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
Not to mention his turns as a budding young musician in both Love Actually and Nowhere Boy
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
well what do you know
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
yes I loved him in Love Actually
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
and I was very much OMGYEShooray! to see my bf noah taylor
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, April 9, 2013 11:51 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
australia face
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
haha
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
think it was probably a poorly written scene, but mrs stark's long monologue about jon snow was fairly shit imo.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
btw i like kingslayer now, he has good lines.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
Jamie/Brienne were one of my favorite pairings in the book and I am happy the show is doing well with them
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
kinda feel like nothing has actually ~happened~ yet
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
What was the really vile thing he said in their confrontation this week? I'm trying to find it in reviews, I can't quite remember it. It was before they actually fought.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
besides catelyn stark telling a sad story, sam falling down in the snow, tyrion talking to his girlfriend lady
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YA5J88ik64
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
Are you thinking about the crack he made about Loras being more the girly type Renly went for than Brienne and that she was way too mannish for someone like Renly?
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
tried to rewatch the scene, it was like one really sharp line and i remember thinking it was quite risqué/vulgar even for this show.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
throne of cocks?
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that was it!
not as clever as i remember. i watched it early on monday morning.
this show should be called throne of cocks.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
Hen of Thrones.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
Kingslayer kind of reminds me of Sawyer from Lost before he got all whipped and emo. He's got the zinginess down as well. Those two characters together are such a great pairing.
Emilia Clarke is probably the worst offender re: bad acting. Alfie Allen isn't a great actor but he feels appropriate for the role and what he has to do, and yeah Sansa doesn't have to do much at all either. Daenerys has a shitload of traumatic and weird shit going down all the time and has exactly the same demeanor and facial expressions no matter what's happening to her.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Still no hard cock on this show; how long must America wait?
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
when was the last time HBO showed hard cock?
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
Real Sex, maybe?
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
IIRC (and I have seen way way WAY too many episodes of Real Sex) the odd penis sighting was always flaccid
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
I couldn't remember seeing one on there either, but I didn't watch every episode so I thought there maybe might have been.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
*bangs fork on table*
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
NO SPOILERS PLEASE!
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
I just realized that could be taken out of context and now regret that post
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
i lol'd
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
it's a twofer
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
I have heard that The Wire has hard cock but I've not watched that yet so it might be just a rumor.
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
btw the stuff with sansa/littlefinger and tyrian's squeeze being all suspicious of his motives. my reading is he's helping her cos he loves her mother, so the suspicions that he is after sex are otm but it's not as sinister as him wanting sex from sansa. i read a few reviews that seem to miss this entirely.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
Seeking Robb Stark Look-alike from GoT - w4m - 25 (New Orleans)I am an avid fan of George R. R. Martin's series Game of Thrones (both the books and the show). I have recently purchased a replica of the Iron Throne as seen in the television show, and need a partner to play out an elaborate fanatsy.In my fantasy, I am Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen, Mother of Dragons, and Rightful Heir to the Iron Throne and the Seven Kingdoms. After crossing the Narrow Sea and defeating the forces of Westeros, it is within my power and right to slay all of those who betrayed my family and denied me my rightful place for so many years. The most vile enemies of house Targaryen, House Stark and House Baratheon must pay the highest price. All of those who fought against the Mother of Dragons are slain - all except one. When I come to Robb Stark, out eyes lock and something moves inside of me. I realize I need to have him, want him, and I can tell he is thinking the same. I order my guards to throw him in the dungeon and later that night, I have him brought to me, in the throne room. There, on the Iron Throne I've so recently won, I make wild and passionate love with him, repeatedly. Please only respond to this post if you look like Robb Stark! I would appreciate pictures, but please, no names. In order to stay as true to the fantasy as possible, I ONLY want you to refer to yourself as Robb Stark. You will need to provide your own clothing. Please keep in mind that you will have recently participated in a battle and been thrown in a dungeon, so you will not be wearing your nicest furs. I'm looking for a Stark in the streets but a wildling in the sheets.
Location: New Orleansit's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
hand me my vomit bucket
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
I'm looking for a Stark in the streets but a wildling in the sheets.
Okay, this is a genius line. Kudos, kinky GoT lady.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
Game of bone
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
Guess she'll be expecting the Lord's Kiss.
― R = J - L (Leee), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if Owen Hargreaves has responded yet.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 08:51 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 13:15 (eleven years ago) link
michael laudrup and phil jones would make a good kingslayer/brienne
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/22795/game-of-thrones-to-english-premier-league-converter
Reminds me of this. A year out of date now, but what you gonna do?
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
Just imagine Leighton Baines being pulled through the woods on a cart.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
Aaron Winter is coming
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
shit it was aron, sorry aron.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
There are surely also places for Andy Carroll, Carlos Tevez and Andy Reid in here somewhere.
(I know and can only apologise)
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
what is happening here
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
game of football
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
rory_delap_game_of_throw-ins.joke
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
choice britisher metaphors
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:22 PM (Yesterday)
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
you had to bring that up again
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
still could work on your phrasing there
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=jkWWJ9W5300
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 April 2013 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
ok that last shot and then the cut to the credits and the song
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
The rip I downloaded had a fucking hold steady song over the last scene. It made it all so much more horrific
― Dan I., Monday, 15 April 2013 03:10 (eleven years ago) link
wtf? Was that country joe and the fish or something?? My friends turned it off 5 seconds into the song because it was such a jarring transition!
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Monday, 15 April 2013 03:10 (eleven years ago) link
who did the song? was it the national again?
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
the Hold Steady :)
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Monday, 15 April 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
it does look like this release fucked the audio up though, time to wait for a proper
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Monday, 15 April 2013 03:16 (eleven years ago) link
Oh I thought he was making a joke. I hope these bands are asked to play those songs at gigs.
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:18 (eleven years ago) link
it was a nice idea but poorly executed. the should've cut exactly on the cut, and not to that song, or at least not that version of the song.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
I thought it was great.
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
effective imo.this show is scattered and occasionally confusing but still fun
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
that song over the last scene in the rip was the credits song?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 April 2013 04:32 (eleven years ago) link
I guess the audio track suddenly skipped ahead of the video track by about 20 seconds.
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Monday, 15 April 2013 05:16 (eleven years ago) link
ooh yeah. the song didn't start until it cut to black and the credits rolled.
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
worst episode of true blood ever
― r|t|c, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
what was the point of the adolescent level prostitute interlude? i mean, i sniggered, but does this show really have the time to tell us padraig has a big dick.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
I was under the impression there was something else at play. Maybe Littlefinger's doing? I thought that's why they gave him wine and sat him down to recount everything.
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
Given the way that contortionist was uh contorting herself in the last shot of Pod in the brothel, I don't think his skill with his dick is what's being broadly hinted at.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
i suspect he's excellent at crossword puzzles.
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Monday, 15 April 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
Have I just never noticed that euphemism before? Thank you.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Monday, 15 April 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
I was under the impression there was something else at play. Maybe Littlefinger's doing? I thought that's why they gave him wine and sat him down to recount everything.The question Littlefinger asked about Cersei and "our red-headed friend"; Pod knows about Shae.
― gyac, Monday, 15 April 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
This a
― Moodles, Monday, 15 April 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
That Hold Steady song totally ruined the ending.
― Matt DC, Monday, 15 April 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
We had the shonky rip and were enraged and then we just watched the proper ending again after to see it as it was intended and it was even worse
― crazed lerner fan (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
I liked it in theory, but the longer the song played the more I wanted to turn the sound off.
― polyphonic, Monday, 15 April 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
So I guess I'm the only one who thought it was awesome and funny.
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
the cut to the song, mind, not the song itself.
What was happening with Stannis and Melisandre on the beach by the way? Are there any other legit Baratheons knocking about at this point or does she know about Gendry?
There are so many second tier characters wandering around now that it's really difficult to remember who's who and who's on which side.
― Matt DC, Monday, 15 April 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
I thought the song was awesome because I'm an unrepentant Hold Steady stan but I found it weird that they used it as the credits tune for this particular ep, following this particular shot.
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
I mean I guess it was funny that Jimmy never got like a solemn lute outro cos he's a twat but eghh
― crazed lerner fan (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
they should do a webseries called Hotpie Rising
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
cooking competition
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
was there a line in the lyrics about fighting a bear?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
It was the same song the dudes were singing earlier in the episode, right?
― polyphonic, Monday, 15 April 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
It would be fun to do this in the closing credits each week (get some band to cover one of the goofy medieval songs from GoT), a la Weeds...
― schwantz, Monday, 15 April 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it was that "maiden" song xpost
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
There are closer sources for someone of Stannis' "blood" but I'm not sure they're being included in the show at all?
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen the first 2 eps of this season yet, not sure who has been introduced.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
Terrific episode with a lot of great stuff going on big and small, from the sequence of Theon being chased through the forest, to Tyrion slowly dragging his chair to the head of the table. And also the scene in RiverRun where the soldier keeps firing arrows at the boat and missing.
I think Emilia Clarke/Daenerys is much better this season; never been a hater, but she's def coming into her own a lot more and she kicked ass in the scene with the king. Surprised she was willing to trade one of her dragons, but I suspect she'll get it back by force when she leaves, again.
― DavidM, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
"the soldier" is Cat's brother Edmure Tully, who is now Lord of Riverrun.
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
I've always thought it was unfair to Emilia Clarke because of the material she's been given so far. She did fairly well, I thought, with the later parts of Season 1, and last year she was stuck in no-confidence mode.
Nice to see Brutus again (who was also in this week's Doctor Who episode playing second-in-command to Davos).
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
Other thread reminded me to drop in to say ive chilled with the lad joffrey briefly he seemed a decent sort.
― the gowls are not what they seem (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
kind of bummed he doesn't menace people with a crossbow irl
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
No, he's not even mean to waiting staff tbh, which is p rare amongst posho southside dub set ime
― the gowls are not what they seem (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
That is almost disappointing.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
They've been cast.
Going back to last week, was the boar that bore the brunt of Joffrey's bolt the same that killed King Bobbert?
Anyway, GOOD EPISODE:
- Blackfish == pimp, fires the arrow and turns away before it's even landed- Jon Snow == not annoying, though still emo- Arya's goodbye with Hot Pie unexpectedly affecting- "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" has a much more melodic tune than I assumed it would
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:26 (eleven years ago) link
that horse head crop circle thing was creepy and cool. nice callback to the first episode of season one where the white walkers had apparently arranged the wildling corpses in a pattern.
― urine for a treat (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:33 (eleven years ago) link
Surprised she was willing to trade one of her dragons, but I suspect she'll get it back by force when she leaves, again.
she seemed a) pretty unlikely by the time that scene was through to piss on a slaver should one catch fire, b) pretty pointed in her inquiry about the loyalties of all 8000 Unsullied once they were hers to command, c) pretty careful to remove the translator from the situation.
Given that the dragon is ultimately a free agent that's imprinted on her and she now commands the city's infantry, I fully expect a bloodbath and will be disappointed if I don't get one.
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
― urine for a treat (latebloomer), Monday, April 15, 2013
that was great. the crack about white walkers being some arty-ass motherfuckers ruled.
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:52 (eleven years ago) link
after watching the first two seasons all at once, wau this show actually gets a lot better when you have to wait for it
― infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 06:24 (eleven years ago) link
The Theon/Bolton storyline was difficult enough in the books. Finding it incomprehensible in the series.
― Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
I agree with that. The changes have made that story make less sense.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
Were we even introduced to the Bolton bastard at the fall of Winterfell? I've already forgotten.
― Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
Brilliant name, btw Nicole.
― Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
Imagine how great this show would have been with Connie Britton as Cersei and Kyle Chandler as Jamie.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
More y'alls.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
Coach Taylor more of a Ned, though.
Julie would be Sansa.
Gracie-Belle would be Arya!
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
I liked the awkwardness of the Lannister council meeting with all the protracted chair shuffling. For true versimilitude it should have had Tyrian accidentally spilling coffee all over his papers.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
lame episode this week, tbh. the stupid Pod/whorehouse stuff, the confusing horsechase, and then way too much people-in-agony tortureporny shrieking, to be honest. (a little theon, breanne, woman in labour, even jamie.)
continued to enjoy the use of interpreter/subtitles though - nice little character piece (even if cersei's "clever secret plan" is stupidly facile). and thought Robb Stark was great in his couple of scenes.
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
Are there any other legit Baratheons knocking about at this point or does she know about Gendry?
I think Emilia Clarke/Daenerys is much better this season; never been a hater, but she's def coming into her own a lot more and she kicked ass in the scene with the king.
I'm a hater and still am, though Kit Harrington has turned out infinitely worse, IMO. Last season the writing made his character extra stupid, but I still think he's a weak link, acting-wise, and wish that his dog could replace him.
― R = J - L (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/de252a339f8e3f59135dacd323c5cf86/tumblr_mlb6e0xEFv1qm99fco1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d00d81396df13d6981df292524065f28/tumblr_mlb6e0xEFv1qm99fco2_500.gif
― Lovelace, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
Hahah that was so nice.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
Yes! The highlight of the episode. It made me realise how much I've missed Varys. This was his first appearance in S3 if I'm not mistaken.
― Lovelace, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
when did that happen, by the way? i had no idea he was marrying anybody (and am still not clear who this is either)!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
lysa arryn, crazy woman from season 1, lives in castle in the sky with idiot son, sister of catelyn, former of wife of jon arryn, hand before ned. the marriage idea is a new development to secure the support of the vale, one of the big deal kingdoms - wardens of the east - that has been looking after itself and largely out of the wider political picture to this point. littlefinger was childhood friends with lysa and catelyn and uniquely well positioned to move in
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
It's Lysa Arryn - Catelyn Stark's sister and, more importantly, Jon Arryn's widow and thus the Lady of the Vale (Jon Arryn was the Hand of the King for Robert Baratheon before Ned Stark had the job - the old man that got murdered just prior to season 1 beginning). Lysa's the crazy lady with the horrible sickly little son that's still breastfeeding at the age of 10 or whatever. But she's also the ruler over one of the most important of the Seven Kingdoms, and she doesn't currently have a side in the war. So Tywin's offering Littlefinger the chance to become Lord of the Vale in return for him bringing in Lysa Arryn and the Vale on the side of the Lannisters in the war.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.culturenorthernireland.org/images/content/Hill-Conleth--320x227.jpg.axd?maxwidth=280&maxheight=210
― crazed lerner fan (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
littlefinger is also a minor noble who's made himself rich, but doesn't have an old holding (like the vale) to really bring him the respect he wants
― max, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
Oh hello who is that attractive person?
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
thanks guys. that's who i thought he was talking about... but it didn't make a lot of sense to me.wasn't she furious with the Lannisters because she'd figured out they'd poisoned her husband? Why would she throw her support behind them now, even with Littlefinger up there?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
One other question I had about that episode; when Aria asked the Hound if he remembered the last time he was up there… any idea what that was about?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
He killed Sansa's direwolf
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
No, Ned killed Sansa's direwolf. The Hound killed the butcher's boy that Arya was playing with.
― mackleless (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
thought both those things happened in Kings Landing?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
oooh! that's right.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
No, they happened on the kingsroad.
ah - well that may explain it then.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah those things happened when the Lannisters visited Winterfell...
― Evan, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
wasn't she furious with the Lannisters because she'd figured out they'd poisoned her husband? Why would she throw her support behind them now, even with Littlefinger up there?!
>:)
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
having not read the books I'm p much lost on every aspect of that plotline -- who was torturing Theon, where they got him from, who set him free ("your sister sent me"?), who just rescued him ...
― dmr, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
hmmm - have i just guess-spoilered somethin?! :D
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
Jamie Lannister is kind of a moron, huh.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
lol yes i really enjoyed him completely overplaying his HAND c what i did there
― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3b7fZIT0nk
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
wish there was a way to embed so that it played alarmingly out of nowhere, and way too loud
idk I didnt have a problem with the hold steady credits?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
i guess it's just like, after an hour or so of being completely immersed in this fantasy world it's like someone hits the eject button out of nowhere and you're propelled out of your couch end-over-end into the terrible reality of 2013
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
watching ep 3 with helen last night, she was getting kind of mushy over jaime -- "aw, he did something nice for brienne..." "oh no, no hand, is cersei going to still want him??""he's not that bad.. and he's so handsome."
had to remind her that he threw a small child out a window in the first ep.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
Child, schmild, the man is foine.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
No one answered my question, who is the delightful human being in the post from 6:26?
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
You can have Jamie Lannister, he's too pointy for me.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conleth_Hill
he plays varys. xp
― Clay, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
i claim jon snow fyi
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
Seriously why does every man I find attractive turn out to be Irish? I'm doomed. Also wtf Varys?!
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
In orbit I don't want to ruin it for you but if things between you two get far enough you might be disappointed.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ laurel liking maybe the most repulsive character.also, good job varys's make-up artist!
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
haha varys
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
i didnt even recognize him! he is cute non varysed though
I have always preferred villains to heroes, it's kind of a problem.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
i think that picture is like 20 years old is the thing
― Clay, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
20 years have passed, and who will lust for poor varys now
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
oic. Well, clearly our love was not meant to be.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
wait what's wrong with the irish
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
starchy
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know, it just never works out.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
The Corrs
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
Priests
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Andy Townsend
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
ok total nerd aside here but I've only seen bits and pieces of this on HBOGo with the interactive stuff but I just tried it out with the XBOX Smartglass App on my iPad and it's pretty sweet if a little ridiculous.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
zuh?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:09 (eleven years ago) link
does it like give you pop-up video style factoids/extra tits or something?
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
lol extra tits
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
where would you even put extra tits
― the gowls are not what they seem (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
on the men I guess idk
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
basically you watch the episode on your tv and it syncs with your tablet and when the episode hits a certain point it displays maps or house background or behind the scenes videos or interviews with cast/creators/Martin about specific things. a bit pointless but i dig it nonetheless.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
so no boobs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
still all those b00bs on the tv screen but maybe there is an interactive guide to them i haven't seen yet
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
maybe the next iteration will have a boobcam feature though
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
instant boobs replay
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
slow mo boobs
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
i actually want cams from the perspective of the boobs
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
boobmentary
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
behind the scenes: the boobs - how they were formed
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
The legend of the First Boobs
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
The Old Boobs and the New
song of ice and boobs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
game of thrones
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
I sort of figured the Dany thing would happen but that didn't make it any less enjoyable.
Biggest mystery of the season is now what the fuck is up with Podraig's sexual prowess?
― Gukbe, Monday, 22 April 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
Also this episode was the shit
in the books it's literally "Podrick" fyi, because
― fucking Telstra (silby), Monday, 22 April 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
Man why did I assume it was an Irish thing.
― Gukbe, Monday, 22 April 2013 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
Tywin is basically the Jack Donaghy of Game of Thrones
making people wait, solving problems with money, etc.
― fucking Telstra (silby), Monday, 22 April 2013 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I saw the Danerys thing coming but goddamn that was a sweet payoff
I don't always love what they do with her in this series but I love her story
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2013 05:10 (eleven years ago) link
This was by a wide, wide margin the best episode of this season so far. I was kind of losing interest tbrr; this shot in the arm was much needed.
Maergary's playing of Joffrey might be my favorite thread of the season.
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 April 2013 05:13 (eleven years ago) link
lol Joffrey putting his arm up to wave
― Gukbe, Monday, 22 April 2013 05:15 (eleven years ago) link
well this season just got excellent.
― Clay, Monday, 22 April 2013 12:08 (eleven years ago) link
Dany fucking up the slavers is one of my favourite sequences in the book, and they really did it justice.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 22 April 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
I liked that exchange btw Cersei and Tywin, "She's got her claws in Joffrey and knows just how to manipulate him." "Good, I wish you knew how too." (or however it went)
also the scene of Varys opening the box with the sorcerer in it was p good
― dmr, Monday, 22 April 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
somehow didn't expect the 'native tongue' bit, tho the rest was well telegraphed (and in retrospect, that was too).
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Monday, 22 April 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it made sense. and made it more plausible that she would go ham like that after you learn that she heard and understood all the insults from that dude.
― dmr, Monday, 22 April 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
That was one of the better episodes for sure. Lots of fun.
― polyphonic, Monday, 22 April 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
Varys <3 I love that goddamn eunuch.
― mackleless (latebloomer), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
I really dig the show's version of Margaery too. Also love how Joffrey's dorkiness comes out when he's around her.
― mackleless (latebloomer), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
I love how booby her dresses are. She's like Game of Thrones catwoman
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
(in a good way)
I love how Jaimme was all emo sadface 'sniff but I lost my sword hand, what's the use of it all, etc sniff'
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
gotta be honest no one had the Old Bear in our deadpool this week. damn.
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Monday, 22 April 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
tbf - i would probably be in the same kind of head space if lost my... *ahem* sword hand as well.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 April 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Me last night:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/ee6e744f8f5dc20268e9cbe8161a89d8/tumblr_mljbgxyzst1qzxdmso1_400.gif
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Monday, 22 April 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
amazing epi
― cozen, Monday, 22 April 2013 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
Daenerys was awesome, one hell of an ep!
― Jason Dowd, Monday, 22 April 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
irl lolled at theon's fate
― r|t|c, Monday, 22 April 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
what was the point of him doing all that anyways?! was it some kind of meta torture or something?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 April 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
currying favour?
― cozen, Monday, 22 April 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
with the torturers, I mean
― cozen, Monday, 22 April 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
the ones he killed?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 April 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
give captive hope only to take it all away is an oldschool psychological breakdown torture classic iirc
― Clay, Monday, 22 April 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah usually you don't kill four of your own dudes in the process.
― Evan, Monday, 22 April 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
oh wow that Theon fakeout was the best, I really dug that
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
I suppose Theon's captor is an unusual dude. xp.
― Clay, Monday, 22 April 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
obv imo there was something "off" about theon's escape so i wasn't exactly surprised at what it turned out to be but it was still grimly lolful.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 22 April 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, also worth considering is that theon was the only one who knew bran and rickon were alive and now he told this guy
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 April 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
was it some kind of meta torture or something?!
I took it as, they weren't getting info out of Theon so they set up the fake escape, had the guy who let him go gain his trust, & at the very end there got Theon to admit he was loyal to the Starks
but yeah this is otm ---> usually you don't kill four of your own dudes in the process
― dmr, Monday, 22 April 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
the torturers are balon's crew or what? i have really no idea. not sure i'm supposed to though.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 22 April 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Bolton's, i'm pretty sure. the "boy" is Bolton's "bastard".
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not sure how vague it's supposed to be, theon's story after the sack of winterfell is written kind of non-linearly in the books and they're clearly handling it differently in the tv show
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
More compelling if you know as much as Theon going along.
― Evan, Monday, 22 April 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen the season 3 episodes yet, but yeah, in the books this plotline has a lot of uncertainty and ambiguity.
― Moodles, Monday, 22 April 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
Dany fucking up the slavers is one of my favourite sequences in the book, and they really did it justice.same, absolute class.
Best scene of the week - and I loved Olenna Tyrell & Varys too. Conleth Hill is just brilliant in every scene he's in.
― gyac, Monday, 22 April 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
god varys and olenna was fantastic - I said to Mr Veg it was like watching 2 snakes in conversation
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
straight fire ep best one ever imho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
so fn gnarly too
yeah it was p boss
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
i found some of the scenes hard to watch but then the glorious ending really tied it all together, the lowest of lows to the highest of highs
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 01:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/1d03871ae82b593a03f8e942a3253da2/tumblr_mloipeass81qf7pvco1_500.gif
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
haha joffery is so dumb but no one has had the stomach to flatter him for more than like 5mins at a time before
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
great ep, first time I've really thought the woman who plays danaerys is pullin off badass ancient desert dragon queen
― max, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
that was the third episode of this show i've ever seen and she's the only character i like
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
dude u should watch the first two seasons this weekend
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
my gf is trying to get me into it, i can't last much longer
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 03:06 (eleven years ago) link
i had forgotten about the "mother tongue" thing, def badass
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I've read the first 2 books and during that speech I was like, oh RIIIIIGHT Valyrian
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 04:50 (eleven years ago) link
idk, even though I wasn't a huge fan of the actress at the beginning, I've always had a soft spot for her character. Completely remaking herself from the terrified slave of crazy brother into this awesome Dragon queen-ruler-commander is awesome
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
Agree about Conleth Hill, that scene about his castration was close to perfect.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 06:13 (eleven years ago) link
And yeah, Dany really coming into her own now.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 06:14 (eleven years ago) link
lady olenna is a great new char
the look cersei gave her when chatting was golden
― cozen, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
Amazing episode, so many wow moments in there.
I get the feeling that Cersei visibly losing influence within King's Landing is very bad news indeed for Tyrion and Shae in ways I can't really imagine just yet.
Olenna and Margaery together are terrific characters, totally playing everyone so far. No one else in the show understands the value of good PR.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
Catching up today. Mira Reed is kind of rrrobyn-ish.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
Consigning the praise, amazing episode. Daenerys totally vamping for the camera at the end though.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
in the best possible way
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
This is kinda lolsy
http://video.vulture.com/video/Daenerys-Targaryn-Gets-an-Exten
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0422/grant_r_upsofthrones.jpg
― kate78, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
Of course the UPS facility is in Flea Bottom.
― kate78, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, same as everybody else really: this is shaping up to be the best season
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
Theon is the Pete Campbell of this show, I will never tire of watching people inflict physical pain on him.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:10 (eleven years ago) link
Ooh, who'd be Don? Peggy? Roger?
― mackleless (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:59 (eleven years ago) link
Tyrian has a bit of the Roger about him.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
Tyrion actually, isn't it. Oops.
Arya is Peggy.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:12 (eleven years ago) link
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:13 (eleven years ago) link
Was gonna say Ned was Don, but he was actually more like Lane.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:47 (eleven years ago) link
Yes. Totally.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
Ooh, who'd be Roger?
Pretty much half the dudes in this are idiot manchildren who are in their position purely as a result of stuff their dad did.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 12:00 (eleven years ago) link
Jaime is Don.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
Making Cersei Betty?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
These mostly don't work at all with the exception of Arya as Peggy which is totally OTM.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
Stannis = Duck Phillips.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
Maester Pycelle = Teddy Rumsen
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/24/us-moldova-crisis-idUSBRE93N0PA20130424
too much time on GoT
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
I caught "The Last Legion" when flipping channels, which was awful, but noticed a ton of actors that are also in GoT. I wonder why.
Owen Teale, James Cosmo, Ian Glen, Thomas Sangster, Robert Pugh and Nonso Anozie.
They're pretty bad in it, too.
― Evan, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
That last one was a good ep and had a humdinger of an ending, which helped people come away from it buzzing, but it wasn't 'best ever' material for me. Not every story thread was that strong this week, especially Theon's, which ended up with his character back where he was - in every sense - three weeks ago. I hope this was for a good reason, because otherwise everything that has happened to him this season has been pointless.
Still, really liked: Tywin castigating Cersei for not controlling Joffrey; Varys meeting his match with Diana Rigg; shit getting real with Dany, her dragons and her slave army - which you could see coming, but it came sooner than I expected, as did the showdown at Craster's Keep.
Most of the other story threads trod water a little, but the most pointless bit was a whole scene dedicated to a discussion about Podrick's prowess yet again.
― DavidM, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
ooh yeah I liked the Night's Watch massacre, that was p crazy
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
Come on, the Podrick thing is clearly going somewhere, he's the new most popular dude at the centre of massive spy network. They're not just putting in a few scenes about him having an enormous penis for lolz.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
They're not putting in any scenes about him having an enormous penis, actually
― not lazy but clowning (Suedey 2), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
Motion of the ocean, maybe
― Evan, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
My friend told me that the Podrick stuff isn't even in the book?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
no it's not, but i also feel pretty sure it is going somewhere more significant
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, somewhere specific, #nospoiler
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
it bothers me now how much each character has basically a single type of situation they're in, and then they react in a particular type of way to that situation and you think something's changed but basically they end up in the same type of situation again and react the same way again and over and over. there's like no genuine character movement at all, just the same tropes repeating themselves.
i mean nonetheless this creates plenty of entertaining scenes, but...
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
In the books Podrick Payne is 12
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
"
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
s. clover, if that bothers you, I recommend you steer clear of the books because they are this X 1,000
― Moodles, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah was gonna say...
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
it bothers me now how much each character has basically a single type of situation they're in, and then they react in a particular type of way to that situation and you think something's changed but basically they end up in the same type of situation again and react the same way again and over and over.
I say the same about Mad Men! But in a way I think that's more true to how people react, I don't think people grow and change as much as we'd hope.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
likely the best thing about GoT is that that harsh reality of humanity's inability to change its fundamental self-destructive nature regardless of how many life lessons appear to be being learned is juxtaposed with fire-breathing dragons and an army of the undead
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think Mad Men captures in a pretty good way how people are a mixture of that which is more readily changeable and that which is resistant to change - Peggy is a good example of a character who has "grown" in a manner pretty consistent with her original behaviour.
Maybe in Game of Thrones the absence of real social constraint - of social rules to be negotiated except in the most heavyhanded sense - seems like an impediment to fostering the (limited) kind of personal growth that Mad Men can track. The absence of any real reward system, and the intense tribalism, means that people aren't really encouraged to change, they can just keep doing what they're doing and kill or be killed along the way.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
Game of Thrones the absence of real social constraint - of social rules to be negotiated except in the most heavyhanded sense - seems like an impediment to fostering the (limited) kind of personal growth that Mad Men can track. The absence of any real reward system, and the intense tribalism, means that people aren't really encouraged to change, they can just keep doing what they're doing and kill or be killed along the way.
― Tim F, Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:42 PM
Not entirely accepting the premise tbh. The rules are feudal and enforcement is consistent (and often brutal). Hence the extremity of courtesy between individuals of like status, reciprocal treatment of highborn hostages, etc etc. Exceptions prove the rule. Those who violate the rules will inevitably suffer terribly, die horribly, and bring down consequences on their house and smallfolk that may last for generations. Whereas those who abide by the rules will merely suffer terribly and die horribly ;)
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
tbh i can't see the case for claiming characters aren't growing and changing on this show
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
i sort of buy the argument. the movement in mad men, such as it is, comes from characters moving into different positions and relationships and so relating differently -- peggy advancing thru the ranks, don in a v. different family dynamic with his current vs. previous marriage -- the disruption of the britishers buying the firm then being the plucky new firm, etc.
arguably in the GoT world you're basically in the sort of role you're born in to be, lineage is destiny, etc.
but like the daenerys plotline, fun as it is, is the 'same story' in a way as since season one. in a strange land, strange people not respecting her, they underestimate her, she takes control of a large body of men/wealth/power, dragons!
its the plot movement that lacks as much as the character movement, really. on the other hand, i'm trying not to let it bother me and just enjoy the fun bits. its not like i have a stake in this as an important cultural product or something.
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
but Dany has changed a lot since the first episode. I actually think she's the clearest arc.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah and Jon Snow has a new coat now!
― Evan, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
in one sense she's changed, but in another its the same 'change' over and over again, just with higher stakes each time.
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
Not every story thread was that strong this week, especially Theon's, which ended up with his character back where he was - in every sense - three weeks ago.
While he is, literally, back where he was three weeks ago; I really enjoyed the twist of him going through all that just to be led back to his torture chamber. We got to see him open up – his comment about his real father losing his head in King's Landing was sort of surprising. And I think if he wasn't partially responsible for murdering and burning two children, we might have felt badly for him, seeing the maniacal we he's being messed with.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that saved that whole bit for me.
I think Dany is continually having to readjust to new situations and find some kind of power and sense of purpose, but she's changing a lot in regards to how she handles herself as well as how she views the world.
Arguably, though, I don't think this show is about character arcs in the traditional sense. In many ways we are presented with characters who have a certain viewpoint and we see how they react to situations that may challenge said viewpoint, all the while getting layers peeled back as we learn more and more about them (Cersei, for instance, hasn't changed much since the first episode but she continually becomes a more complex character that deepens the interest in how she reacts and operates.)
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
i like that the main arcs in the story come from the characters who feel/are marginalized (or at least that's how it seems to me)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
many xps and i have no idea why i care but they explicitly mentioned podrick's dick is normal size just that he's got MADD SKILLLLLZ
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
i would be okay if theon was on a three episode arc every week that started with him being tortured, ep 2 he is released and brutalized further and rescued by someone of diminishing strength and capability, ep 3 he weeps and bitches and generally acts like a self-righteous jerk and is then recaptured.
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
have you read the books?
― gyac, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
haha, just the first one. have i hit on it?
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
nah
― gyac, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is a different point, I think. The language of forms in Game of Thrones is v. distinct from who people actually *are* as characters, and the courtesies that people display towards one another have nothing to do with one what they're actually thinking or planning (except as a kind of elaborate combination of concealment and signification, and false-concealment and false-signification). Think of the members of the Council in King's Landing. None of the living members really believe in the roles they are playing (except perhaps, ironically, Varys, who as a character is positioned unusually outside of (or in between) "the rules") - Ned Stark did, and it cost him his life. But most everyone else's relationships to the "rules" is entirely cynical. Accordingly, personal growth is unnecessary - what is required is ever-more-sophisticated game playing.
Perhaps one of the things that happens with modernity is the (further) collapsing of the distance between social status and personality. In Mad Men, it's very hard for any character to advance in a manner that doesn't involve making others think well of them as people, at least in some senses. Mastery of the forms becomes less distinguishable from mastery of self. There is still game-playing, of course, but if you're trying desperately hard to come across as smart, sympathetic, mature, level-headed, wise, compassionate etc. it kinda rubs off on your inadvertent behaviour as well.
― Tim F, Thursday, 25 April 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
Art direction during Dany's scenes at the end are like woah.
Thought Varys's backstory was horribly shoe-horned in -- like, if this was any more expository, he and Tyrion would be having sex -- but then we see the sorcerer, and the story was all for his benefit.
Man, Beric Dondarrion has been through a lot, barely recognize him since we last saw him in season 1.
― Hoster Tulleee, Lord of Riverrun, Past Eve and Adam's (Leee), Friday, 26 April 2013 05:30 (eleven years ago) link
I know they got a new Mountain in season 2, but really, casting in this show must be a nightmare. Hire a guy for a bit role in season 1 and then bring him back to play an actual role in season 3.
― Gukbe, Friday, 26 April 2013 05:34 (eleven years ago) link
they recast beric
― Clay, Friday, 26 April 2013 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
They kept Barristan! So, 1 for 3.
After her first episode, I was mildly disappointed with Diana Rigg, mostly because my image of Olenna was so clearly Maggie Smith, but I'm coming around to hey doing her own thing, and the scene with her and Varys is delicious.
Sansa, though... /shakes head
― Hoster Tulleee, Lord of Riverrun, Past Eve and Adam's (Leee), Friday, 26 April 2013 05:43 (eleven years ago) link
oh lol xpost
― Gukbe, Friday, 26 April 2013 06:09 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Monday, April 22, 2013 10:59 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark
otm, her acting got so much better when she was speaking valyrian! i guess it's like a penelope cruz situation, where she seems super awkward in english but totally rules in her native tongue
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 27 April 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-dothraki-language-inventor.html
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 27 April 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
lol slocki
― max, Saturday, 27 April 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
(but otm)
so many weddings but how many funerals etc etc
so Stannis' daughter...is it just a deformity?
― Gukbe, Monday, 29 April 2013 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
Stannis inflicted burns I'm guessing. Angry about having a daughter?
― Evan, Monday, 29 April 2013 04:09 (eleven years ago) link
It's a disease called greyscale (for obvious reasons).
― mackleless (latebloomer), Monday, 29 April 2013 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
There's more about it in the books but that's all you need to know really.
― mackleless (latebloomer), Monday, 29 April 2013 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
i really liked this ep. everything's getting exciting. Kinda crushing on Kingslayer finally.
Though can I just: I am at the point of giving up hope of a Jon Snow or Jaime Lannister full frontal *sigh*
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 April 2013 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
Hasn't full frontal (as far as men go) been limited to Theon? In which case, GoT is probably trollin' women.
I kind of guessed that with Bryan Cogman writing we'd get a good backstory speech, and Jamie's was probably the best the show has done.
For those of us who have heard a certain two word phrase, I've been trying to guess which characters it will involve, and now the show is just teasing me with the number of possibilities.
― Gukbe, Monday, 29 April 2013 05:30 (eleven years ago) link
Also bummed there was no movement on the Podrick Sexual Prowess front. I hope that pays off.
yeah loved the Kingslayer backstory.
re full frontal. Yeah Theon so far only. big woop. all we got in this ep was Littlefinger's baitboy. if they're going to do it at least make it a OH HELLO reveal & not just zzz oh him. harrumph
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 April 2013 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
that Littlefinger / Loris / Sansa plot felt like it was on fast forward with those three scenes all in a row
Jamie's was probably the best the show has done
yeah that was awesome
― dmr, Monday, 29 April 2013 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
think it's time to have the yearly "srsy wtf is gillen trying to do with that accent" convo
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
sometimes there's even like an american twang in there, i just dk anymore
is he delib trying to make him sound like a un-nobleman acting posh, introducing that unsettling fake note
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen the latest episode yet, but if Shireen was is in it did they include Patchface?
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
no, altho she did sing his song over the credits
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
is GREY WORM going to be a big character
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
Grey Worm scene was dope.
― polyphonic, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
ooh i'm thinking daenerys has a go on him when she finds out about jorah's shenanigans
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
him and dany become lovers after quaa'rlog the porcupine sorcerer uses the red god's powers to regrow his junk. i can't remember if they have introduced quaa'rlog yet.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
ahh yes good point i forgot about the unsullied entry criteria
probs wouldnt want a porcupine sorcerer in charge of that gig anyway tbh
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
they've booked Diana Rigg in this the way WWE shoulda booked Lesnar
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 29 April 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
oh man Stannis' wife was Tara Fitzgerald
― Gukbe, Monday, 29 April 2013 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
Serious? For a second I asked myself if that was her, then decided it wasn't.
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Monday, 29 April 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
i keep thinking i've seen the actor who plays roose bolton somewhere before but i realized he just sort of looks like terence stamp.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 29 April 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
think it's time to have the yearly "srsy wtf is gillen trying to do with that accent" convo― r|t|c, Monday, April 29, 2013 8:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― r|t|c, Monday, April 29, 2013 8:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
absolutely lost it at his delivery of "I can't tell you how touched I am"
― Number None, Monday, 29 April 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
I actually had to stop and rewind it
― Number None, Monday, 29 April 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
it's impressively terrible
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 April 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
my favorite gillen line delivery in this entire show is "PLAY WITH HER AAAASS"
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 29 April 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
his Carcetti was kinda weird but he's really breaking new ground here
― Number None, Monday, 29 April 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
lol al
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 April 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
Part of me wonders if by now he'd be even worse playing in his own accent, after muffing up all these others
Charles Dance really is the best tho
― Number None, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
gillen going for some soft spoken brythonic thing maybe? it is weird but appropriately crepey
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
Jamie becoming one of my favourite characters in the show at exactly the equivalent point he started becoming one of my favourites in the book, great work from Nicholaj Coster Waldau.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, April 22, 2013 1:23 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark
i keep thinking about the phrase 'booby dresses' since this post
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
sure, since then
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
also before.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
It's so fucking weird. It's got a touch of Irish about it but the rhythm is a bit "I vont to suck your blooood"
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 06:58 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of like his ridiculous accent, but I just like to think of it as some weirdo accent from wherever his character is from. Tyrion's is a bit funnier, but I'm cool with it too.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 07:07 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I keep thinking booby dresses everytime I see Marjorie. It feels like the nearer we get to the wedding the boobier the dress becomes.
― we're up all night to get an eeg (captain rosie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 08:17 (eleven years ago) link
― Gukbe, Monday, 29 April 2013 06:30 (Yesterday) Bookmark
tbf we did get to learn the finer points of ricky & bianca's inevitable union instead
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 08:38 (eleven years ago) link
Loved the scene with Tywin, Tyrion and Cersei at the end. This speculation might be lolworthy to anyone who's read the books but it feels like the Tyrrells aren't that interested in dicking over the Lannisters, and that Tywin doesn't have a clue what Littlefinger's planning. So this whole thing will probably end in Sansa's escape rather than the opposite. I guess Shae will be crucial here at some point?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 08:55 (eleven years ago) link
Also Stannis finally got interesting in this episode, although his homelife is so shitty it explains why he'll go to such extreme lengths to get out of the house. Was there any explanation for the pickled babies?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:34 (eleven years ago) link
previous miscarried sons
― snapchats and tattoos (c sharp major), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:37 (eleven years ago) link
if i were directing i'd urge Gillen to 'Taffin up'
― nashwan, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:43 (eleven years ago) link
I know they were previously miscarried sons but I wondered why they were being kept there other than out of insane morbidity.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:51 (eleven years ago) link
then maybe you shouldn't be RULING HERRRRRRRRRRE
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:55 (eleven years ago) link
cracking up
― max, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
if you really wanted to bend over backward for gillen you could argue that littlefinger's weird accent is the accent of a small northern lord attempting to lose his rural accent to fit in better in the southern cities. but game of thrones is pretty inconsistent w/ accents--a lot of the northmen have solid northern accents but not all--davos still sounds irish--thoros of myr should by all rights have some kind of european-ish accent if he's from myr
― max, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:06 (eleven years ago) link
Davos sounds Geordie!
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:07 (eleven years ago) link
hrm i guess, i dont really have a good ear for this stuff
― max, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
the bloke with the eyepatch in the brotherhood sounds irish, authentically so. i forget his name.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:10 (eleven years ago) link
beric
― max, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:10 (eleven years ago) link
but, yeah, point stands--everyone should have regional accents similar to their fellow countrymen
― max, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:11 (eleven years ago) link
beric is from the stormlands, so he should sound like stannis and robert and renly (none of whom had the same accent iirc)
― max, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:12 (eleven years ago) link
Same discrepancy between the older and younger Stark kids.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:17 (eleven years ago) link
i'll really miss the beheaded guy's accent
― nashwan, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:17 (eleven years ago) link
Tormund Giantsbane seems to have some kind of Scando accent.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:18 (eleven years ago) link
The discrepancy between the Stark kids can be sort-of handwaved away because some of them would have been closely brought up by Catelyn.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:20 (eleven years ago) link
Basically if you have a posh mum you tend to talk like her until you get older and start caring about sounding more like your friends.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:22 (eleven years ago) link
I think the Baratheons may have been raised separately, Robert was a ward of Jon Aryn with Ned Stark.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:23 (eleven years ago) link
oh hmm. but then why do robert and ned both have pronounced northern accents given that they were raised in the vale
― max, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:10 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark
He is. Also just found out Conleth Hill aka Varys is Irish too, and a Nordie at that.
― Number None, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ accent talk, just accept that there's nothing systematic about their damn accents and move on (NERRRRDS) (sorry)
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
*pushes up glasses*
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/a/a2/Harrenhal_bath_by_cabepfir.jpg
― Call the Cops, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
― gyac, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
show has proven to be quite a boon for Irish character actors
― Number None, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
dear image above: wtf?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 03:49 (eleven years ago) link
Dear Thermo,ASOIAF are crepes.
Love,The Internet
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:10 (eleven years ago) link
*fans
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
ok so help me out
ned starkreal accent - sheffieldshow accent - sheffield
catelyn starkreal accent - north irishshow accent - "southern" (????)
robb starkreal accent - scottishshow accent - generic northern
jon snowreal accent - ??show accent - generic northern
arya starkreal accent - ??show accent - "southern" (??)
sansa starkreal accent - ??show accent - "southern" (??)
brann starkreal accent - ??show accent - "southern" (??)
robert baratheonreal accent - yorkishshow accent - yorkish
cersei baratheonreal accent - ? ("home countries"? "RP"?)show accent - same
tywin lannisterreal accent - ? ("actor"? "home countries"? "RP"?)show accent - same
tyrion lannisterreal accent - americanshow accent - vague ("RP"?) english
jaime lannisterreal accent - danishshow accent - vague english
joffrey baratheonreal accent - irish (cork?)show accent - english
already exhausted tbh
― max, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:22 (eleven years ago) link
The wildling girl with red hair and a northern accent in the show has one of the poshest RP voices i've ever heard irl.
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:28 (eleven years ago) link
Petyr Baelishreal accent - irishshow accent - fuck knows
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:29 (eleven years ago) link
Arya has a slight twang to her accent which I can't quite identify - maybe west country?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:30 (eleven years ago) link
Kit Harington was born in London, England[3] and lived there until he was 11,[4] the son of Deborah Jane (née Catesby), a former playwright, and David Richard Harington. His paternal great-grandfather was Sir Richard Harington, the 12th Baronet Harington.[5] Through his father, Harington descends from politician Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville, bacon merchant T. A. Denny, clergyman Baptist Wriothesley Noel, merchant and politician Peter Baillie, peer William Legge, 4th Earl of Dartmouth, and MP Sir William Molesworth, 6th Baronet.[5]
So, erm, pretty upper class then.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:31 (eleven years ago) link
Given all that I'm assuming the difference in Stark accents is deliberate. The girl that plays Sansa is from Northampton although all the younger ones have a kind of generic thesp accent.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 12:28 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
cor ur not wrong she makes most of the royal famalam sound like oiks
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:43 (eleven years ago) link
Her parents have two castles!
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:50 (eleven years ago) link
that's the trouble with castles, one is never enough
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, May 1, 2013 7:30 AM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
she's from somerset (so... yes? right?)
― max, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 12:07 (eleven years ago) link
Lena Heady (Cersei) is from Yorkshire, which you can detect from her normal voice on the audio commentaries. It isn't strong, but it isn't the soft RP she uses in the programme.
I love Ygritte's voice! I don't mean the accent, I mean the hoarseness.
― DavidM, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 12:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://media.rightmove.co.uk/51k/50090/37523146/50090_3482_IMG_09_0000_max_620x414.JPGhttp://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/b8/17/2a/warthill-b-b.jpg
Ygritte's ancestral cribs. Funny how she has been cast as lowly types in her TV work: a housemaid in Downton Abbey, and a wildling in GoT.
― DavidM, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
Given all that I'm assuming the difference in Stark accents is deliberateI never bothered reading any more into this than "the children couldn't do Yorkshire accents". They all use their real accents.
― gyac, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah ygritte's voice is dead sexy
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
She might be rich as hell, but she's still Scottish. To the maid's quarters/caves of the North with you
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
the bloke with the eyepatch in the brotherhood sounds irish, authentically so.
That's Richard Dormer, who also plays the central character Terri Hooley in the movie Good Vibrations. Saw his name and couldn't believe it was the same guy.
― Back to the Fuchsia, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
Undergraduate students are already tackling these important issues of accent!http://linguistlist.org/issues/24/24-1882.html
― eindbestemming, Thursday, 2 May 2013 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
Excellent Rose Leslie / Ygritte accent action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPdPTY_-icQ
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
Haha, she's posher than Kate Middleton.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
Inordinately amused that someone is referring to her as Cersei Baratheon.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Thursday, 2 May 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
My wife's co-worker Courtney made Game of Thrones cakepops. Big pic so link instead of embed:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJWWSG3CAAE6mmh.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 May 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
bravo
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 May 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
Are they all Ned? :(
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Friday, 3 May 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
One is W.
― Gukbe, Friday, 3 May 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
It's Dallas, and she's not from here. They might all be W.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 May 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
awesome
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 May 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
are they red velvet cake inside? that would be an awesome finishing touch
I'll ask my wife.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 May 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nor/3725685022.htmlI'm looking for a Stark in the streets but a wildling in the sheets.
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 May 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/1459d64c64ced1c3fe7f7126c0c53ec5/tumblr_mm8llvNmHe1qcbs47o1_500.jpg
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
Oops, maybe that should go into the spoiler thread.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
Nah, I don't think that it's too spoilerific to reveal that GRRM hasn't actually completed the series yet tbh
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
Ros ;_;
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/SjH3Gg6.jpg
too subtle?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
Oooooh
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 04:00 (eleven years ago) link
otm. TT_TT
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Monday, 6 May 2013 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
Also rmde @ Loras being all into weddings and brocade.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Monday, 6 May 2013 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
Meera vs. Osha was awesome though.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Monday, 6 May 2013 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
Would totally watch Ygritte doing her Jon Snow impression for a full hour.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Monday, 6 May 2013 04:32 (eleven years ago) link
Did you guys know gay men like fashion and parties? I heard it on got
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 May 2013 04:50 (eleven years ago) link
gillen finally goes off the deep end this week in his sinister hoedown with varys.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 6 May 2013 10:27 (eleven years ago) link
is it me or is it getting a bit cheesy? i mean i know it's cheesy anyway, but even by its own standards the last 5 minutes was very schlocky.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Monday, 6 May 2013 10:28 (eleven years ago) link
naw whats his faces speech abt ambition was tite
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 May 2013 12:25 (eleven years ago) link
also some good zings this ep
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 May 2013 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
'chaos is not a pit. it is a ladder!'
littlefinger is becoming one of the only interesting people on this show. i mean, it's awesome, but everytone is always so 'honor!' 'family!' 'oath!' 'boobs!'
― Frederik B, Monday, 6 May 2013 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
some good power convos, nice bit of spectacle with the wall, couple of plot clues, piece shuffling otherwise. interesting that hbo balked at corpse nudity w/ ros. more interesting than surprising maybe. or maybe not even interesting, i dunno *shrug*
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 13:04 (eleven years ago) link
i thought it was v good for a set up ep which are usually a snooze
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 May 2013 13:12 (eleven years ago) link
poor Ros
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
No more Theon torture porn, pls. Ick.
― schwantz, Monday, 6 May 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Do the non-book readers have any idea who the guy torturing Theon is or are you all totally in the dark?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 6 May 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
Don't know who it is but someone cleverly put a screenshot with a clue up there.
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
Feel like we're never going o learn Podrick's secrets.
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
re: that clue. who is that guy to theon?
― cozen, Monday, 6 May 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
They've given us enough hints over the past two seasons to put WHO together imo - or at least I'll be very very surprised if its not who I think it is. WHY I have no idea though I'm starting to think it's "just because he can."
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Monday, 6 May 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
In which Max writes the greatest article on the series yet.
http://gawker.com/what-is-going-on-with-the-accents-in-game-of-thrones-485816507
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 May 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
i thought that guy was Bolton's bastard?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 May 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
*spoilers*he is*spoilers*
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
My husband hasn't read the books so he keeps asking about this character, and I'm still not sure if it is a big deal to spoil it or not.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Monday, 6 May 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
wow ygritte is super posh; immaculately clipped non-scots accent irl
― cozen, Monday, 6 May 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
who pulls off an incredibly convincing northern accent
hmm.
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
i love that sean bean barely even bothers to do his posh yorkshire boromir thing in this. it's full on sheffield.
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
Did the same outcome befall roz in the books?
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 May 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think she was in the books.
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Huh
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 May 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Incredibly convincing [to americans]
― max, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
The guy who isn't Vargo Hoat seemed like he was kinda shooting for Brummie
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 6 May 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
i think actually it's not that bad, but it's not a modern accent. it's 100 years old, which is why it sounds weird, but i suppose it makes sense for the character.
a good article!
my favourite accents to listen to on this show are: sean bean (obviously), Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (not necessarily "good", but nice to listen to) and liam cunningham, who does a beautiful durham/northumbria thing.
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
(xp)
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
god, ygritte's real accent is amazing
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
ygritte show accent is p much straight manc, or more specifically lancashire manc suburbs. i know ppl who sound a lot like that
roz was a whoo-er in the north that was chummy with theon iirc but didn't get any further along than that
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 6 May 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
I would like to point out that people generally adopt accents from their peers not their parents according to studies
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
i think she's going for lancashire yeah, but it's not quite right to me.
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
southern lancashire in partic.
i mean not that it matters. this is a terrible show about wizards that i don't even like and i only watch because everyone else does and i never post on this thread although the episode last week was good and i liked it when they blew up the boats.
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
but i like the febrile energy of max's article
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
As an American all I get is a southern gentleman out of littlefinger in a few random words and am nodding along blankly to all the other accent stuff you're all going on about.
― Evan, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
It's a bit Welsh, I thought? Or am I not hearing it right? It is a very strange accent.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
Well it'll be like one emphasized word per every three lines that give me that impression.
― Evan, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
i think part of the problem is he's clearly reaching for a deeper voice than he naturally has, plus he seems like like he's not naturally an accent guy
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
welsh would be "correct" in some sense, since he's from the vale and theoretically vale accents = welsh
― max, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
i think in a weird way his accent is worse or more distracting than dinklage's, because he seems to have something specific in mind that he's trying to do, where as dinklage hardly bothers these days
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
I had no idea Dinklage's was so weak. USA! USA!
― Evan, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
from what i can tell dinklage's "accent" is basically just dropping his Rs and opening up his As a little bit
― max, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
it's Victor Meldrew I think
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 6 May 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
Americans will get that reference
did littlefinger do all that growling stuff in earlier seasons? i've definitely noticed it more this season.
― caek, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
"and opening up his As a little bit"
Had to double take
― Evan, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
Ronan called him Irish Dracula and now that's all I can think of any time he speaks.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Monday, 6 May 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
I think Dinklage is just doing Stewie from the Family Guy.
― schwantz, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
hah!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I think it's been getting more pronounced the further in we've gone. Don't recall thinking anything in particular about Gillen's accent in the first series.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
― caek, Monday, May 6, 2013 7:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
shifty character = shifty accent maybe?
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
for all we know this could be a middle earth type deal where in the reality of the story the common tongue sounds nothing like english but for our convenience it does
/nerd
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
They're on a predator ship.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Monday, 6 May 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
heh
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 6 May 2013 22:00 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah like Ned Stark's first name is actually like Weenwo or something
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 6 May 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
Littlefinger is probably from Aerilon
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 6 May 2013 20:41 (Yesterday) Bookmark
lol otm
― r|t|c, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
davos is probably the secret weirdest accent in the show, like uh why get a very irish guy to be very geordie
iain glen p much talks the same irl besides being strikingly camper
check out the osha actress irl on youtube btw, woof
― r|t|c, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
I recently learned that Sibel Kekilli (Shae) used to be in the pornographies
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― polyphonic, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
osha actress was in About A Boy and I still think, "good on her, doing more things". Although she was in Harry Potter as well now that I think of it.
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
Also realised last night that the torturer of Theon is from Misfits, which puts that show at 2, tying it with Skins.
― Gukbe, Monday, 6 May 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
cool ep, boss speech from littlefinger which i hereby vow never to paraphrase irl
ricky n bianca at the end didnt feel so cheesy mainly cos as soon as you see the show lay it on thick with hope now then you immediately wince for the expected tragedy
have literally no idea abt theon's torturer ("bolton's bastard"? when was he previously referred to?) but those scenes are boring now, get on with it
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
oh and bring the podrick subplot back for the love of god i cant handle any more of jon snow muff diving
srsly thought he was gonna save her by jamming his tongue in the ice or something
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
Misfits, which puts that show at 2, tying it with Skins.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:59 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
uh, and Hollyoaks
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
If they weren't in the very last scene of Hollyoaks before Channel 4 news, I never saw them.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
Nathalie Emmanuel was in Misfits and Hollyoaks
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
Aaah, I get it now.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
no but Daenerys's previous maidservant was also in Hollyoaks
I don't actually watch it that much honest
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
The one who was locked in the big empty vault at the end of S2? Tbh I figured there would be some ex-Hollyoaks actors being fed into the minor-role-nudity machine.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Monday, May 6, 2013 8:05 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this shouldve happened
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
did jon snow introduce Cunnilingus to just the wildlings, or some larger part of the seven kingdoms?
― mizzell, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 01:09 (eleven years ago) link
economics of GOT
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/17/goldbugs_in_westeros_house_tyrell_is_richer_than_house_lannister.htmlhttp://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/18/lannister_subprime_lending_the_king_owing_you_money_spells_trouble.htmlhttp://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/22/economics_of_ice_fire_iii_the_market_for_dragons.htmlhttp://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/05/06/wildling_egalitarianism_why_bad_weather_leads_to_more_economic_equality.html
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
Wait, I thought "Cunnilingus" was a place, now I'm totally lost.
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
Jon Snow INVENTED cunnilingus.
Really wish they'd cast a better actor, because I'm not feeling any chemistry from his end with the Jon/Ygritte ship.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/qGeqOc4.jpg
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago) link
i like the jon snow actor!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
That picture comparing him to Hodor kind of set me down the road of disliking him, also, his inability to act.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.qkme.me/3pa1v5.jpg
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'll tell you what I do like, and that's Tywin and Olenna. In fact, I like Tywin and anyone (especially if their meetings didn't happen in the books, cos then it's like some kind of fantasy scenario).
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:10 (eleven years ago) link
Olenna so far has just been a series of one-on-one conversations with everyone in King's Landing. All she needs is Joffrey for the complete set.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
But Varys is right, too: Chaos is a pit. Sometimes instability and uncertainty are not your friends. So let’s talk about Ros and the cruel and abrupt way her story was snuffed out. I’m sickened but not surprised by how little Joffrey and Littlefinger regarded her life. Woman, prostitute: These are not categories of people that either of these men have much feeling for. But I am surprised by how cheaply the creators of the show valued her — especially since she’s the one major character wholly created for it.Since the death of Ned Stark, we all know that menace simmers just below the surface of every conversation, every meal, and every courtly turn about the palace grounds. Like Tywin, the pitiless plot machine of Game of Thrones does not discriminate: Everyone is in peril, all the time. And sometimes, the oblique view is the fresher view; not every big moment needs to be underlined by crashing music and dragonfire and High Valyrian. But dispatching Ros under a voice-over, and then using the image of her violent death as a preamble to Sansa’s weeping, felt reprehensible. Ros’s arrow-pierced body is Arya’s target-practice effigy come to life — or death, as the case may be. Her eyes glassy, her face turned away from us, the camera lingers in the room long after Joffrey has left, to run itself along her corpse in its filmy dress. In an episode that already had one stomach-churning scene of shocking, needless torture, did this one accomplish anything new?
I thought the way it was done was more shocking and fitting for the way people viewed Ros.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
Am I right in thinking that Ros was totally innocent and the spy who blew Littlefinger's plan was actually Shae?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 07:55 (eleven years ago) link
No wait that doesn't make sense either.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 07:59 (eleven years ago) link
Wow, a lot of fucking around with the book last night …
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 08:40 (eleven years ago) link
xp - No, I think it was Ros that'd been squealing to Varys. I thought the whole scene was a good and timely reminder that Littlefinger (who doesn't seem to have actually done too much in a while) has got his finger absolutely on the pulse, that he is more than capable of playing Varys at his own game and that he is just as merciless and dangerous as all the other players.
Obviously it also demonstrates how casually Varys, for all his talk of being a guy working only for the good of the realm, throws comparative innocents into the line of fire without unduly worrying about it.
I really enjoy that whole angle of this second sub-level of political maneuvering between Littlefinger and Varys beneath the high-level posturing between Tywin and Tyrion and Olenna and Robb Stark / whoever else. No one seems to be keeping close enough eyes on the pair of them, given how clever and influential they are.
Not too bothered about the casual way of writing Ros out as I was never especially keen on her anyway. Not essential to anything happening in the plot, too often used for clumsy exposition, basically an opportunity to get a pair of naked breasts into every episode regardless of what else was going on.
I thought the Theon / mystery man torture stuff was fine as well, but admittedly that is with the benefit of having read those scenes in the books. And the climbing-the-Wall scene was very good. Solid episode
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 08:57 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I'd forgotten about the scene where Ros showed Varys the ship manifest.
The scene on the wall is fantastic and hopefully John Snow is over it for good now because all that endlessly wandering around in blizzards was getting fucking boring. Kind of assuming that, at some point, Rob Stark is going to be basically legally required to execute his brother for having deserted the Night's Watch?
The scene with Olenna and Tywin was straight up awesome.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 09:04 (eleven years ago) link
what does your "woof" signify? not being smart, just curious as she is sort of hilarious imo. an interview i saw she was all geezerish accent talking about how she thought osha should have had a really "hairy minge" and was annoyed the crew didn't give her enough notice to grow hers in time for the naked scene in s2.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 09:09 (eleven years ago) link
i couldnt even begin to explicate the polysemous plenitude of my woofs bruv
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 09:57 (eleven years ago) link
an interview i saw she was all geezerish accent talking about how she thought osha should have had a really "hairy minge" and was annoyed the crew didn't give her enough notice to grow hers in time for the naked scene in s2.
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 13:39 (eleven years ago) link
lice tho
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
Here's the Osha minge interview:
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
And here's her band playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAvXkdTOqOE
I think I'm a bit in love with her now.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
"Rob Stark is going to be basically legally required to execute his brother for having deserted the Night's Watch?"
Except the Night Watch is completely fucked now, right? It's like moving away suddenly and not telling your job then when you get back you're not sure what will happen except nothing does because the job was at Border's.
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
Real revelation I got from the Osha interview is that Hodor DJs on the side.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
*I'M* a little bit in love with her after seeing that band vid.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
Osha's got a squeeze box, Hodor never sleeps at night
― Moodles, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
so in love with osha
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
you guys can be in love all you like, but can we at least acknowledge that the song is terrible?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
nope, sorry
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
Oh I didn't even watch the band clip, I'm basing my love on the interview.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
certain this is covered upthread but the band played the potter premiere and did a cover of the theme from super mario. by all accounts she's a bit of a wildling in real life.
― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
Her acting on GoT annoys me because she seems incapable of ever speaking without cocking her head at an exaggerated angle. Who does that?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
She's never experienced cunnilingus? Xpost
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
the phrase "a bit of a wildling in real life" is making me laugh and i don't quite know why.i guess i am imagining wildlings commuting on the subway, hanging out at the bar etc.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
the band played the potter premiere and did a cover of the theme from super mario.
They bust into it in the middle of that song, actually.
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
"Rattleshirt Takes the A Train"
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
"The Wildings go to the Whitney: Please Don't Eat the Retrospective"
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
Geico: so easy, even a wildling can do it.
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
I liked when Arya was like "I don't like her" (about Melisandra) and dude was all "that's because you are a girl"
― akm, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://fuckyeahmelisandre.tumblr.com/
― akm, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
the aesthetic endemic to those sorts of blogs is confounding and troubling to me.
― Clay, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
that's alot of red for starters.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
needs more noodz
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
O_o
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
does not need more noodz
could do with more wolves
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know that I'd want to base my marriage on any from Westeros. Even with Catelyn and Ned, Catelyn didn't even want to marry him but eventually came around to liking him. And that's probably the best marriage out of all of them!
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
and she was expected to raise his bastard and prayed for him to die
― mizzell, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
being a bit hasty here, what with several potentially very happy marriages on the immediate horizon
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
Robb seems pretty pumped about his marriage
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
Why would you want to base or compare any real life circumstance with something from a fictional story?
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/6dbab482a6c7949d1dc0a118dfab6c40/tumblr_mlw33pVypU1rr2s2ro1_500.jpg
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
wkiw
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Saturday, 11 May 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
the frig is he holding?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 11 May 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
it's a rug beater
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 11 May 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
That wasn't shabby.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Monday, 13 May 2013 05:16 (eleven years ago) link
Theon's scene was upsetting and i'm not sure how much more torture pr0n i want to sit through.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 May 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
they could've had 3 scenes with theon total all season and they would've achieved just as much as they have. this time was definitely gratuitous in just about every way possible. grrm wrote this one and i imagine he has been disappointed with the full frontal noodz count in s3 so far.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
Agreeing with the two posters above, too much pandering to the 15 year old king demographic at the minute.
― Dust, Monday, 13 May 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
fyi theon doesn't actually appear in book 3, these scenes have all been written in for the show, and it shows
― ciderpress, Monday, 13 May 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
aside from theon's scene this was a p good episode!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 May 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
The bear scene was terrifically exciting, very well done indeed. Also loved Tywin & Joffrey and the the dragons this week.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 13 May 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
torture pr0n
literally this week
― i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 May 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
I was half hoping that Jaime would push Noah Taylor over the fence into the bear pit
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 May 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
I was anticipating that happening. Didn't, though.
I don't mind the nudity usually - I embrace it! - but, wow, the Theon scene was so ridiculous and obvious. 'Ooh, you're going to get good times - haha, not really; we're going to torture you instead!'. Big surprise. I suppose that was the point, but... why bother?
Yeah, good episode again. I can't believe Ygritte would be that naive abt buildings, tho?
― DavidM, Monday, 13 May 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the writhing girls went on for so long and I was like, "look, I don't know if sadoboy is going to come in here with a stretching rack/ wicker man & bee helmet or if the girls are going to pull out a roll of needles and go 'Audition on him but can we just get this whole thing OVER with ragh'
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 May 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
ASS Bill
Previous Balance: $Lots of nice assesAdjustments: $Lots of nice asses (-)
TOTAL DUE: $0.00
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
that particular account is way in credit
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
its in arrears
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
tee hee
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 May 2013 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, good episode again.
eh I dunno. aside from the stuff chap mentioned in his post (bear pit, Tywin/Joffrey scene) I didn't get much out of it. most of the plotlines seem to be spinning their wheels although Melisandre bringing Robert's bastard to King's Landing seems to be going someplace interesting. Rob, Theon, and Jon Snow are all super boring right now.
― dmr, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
I liked JP's take:
http://entertainment.time.com/2013/05/13/game-of-thrones-watch-dragons-and-eagles-and-bears-oh-my/
― polyphonic, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
i would not have guessed the population of kings landing at 500k
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
no that seems off
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
King's Landing is extremely populous, but rather unsightly and dirty compared to other cities. Its population is estimated at more than 500,000,[15] although this number varies during winters and in times of war, when people take shelter behind the city walls. George R. R. Martin has stated that the city is larger than Medieval London or Paris but smaller than Medieval Constantinople or Ancient Rome (each had a population of about 1,000,000).
― mizzell, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
i thought everything was good except for theon's scene. nice to see jon get an injection of spine for a moment there, and clarke is starting to fall way behind sansa actress in the terribleness stakes as dany's character develops. i will say i am surprised by the extent to which they are stretching some things out - there was definitely more scope for things to actually happen this season and that has been sacrificed in the name of timing as much as anything, to have things happen at certain points in the season and to leave things in a certain place at the end of it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
hmm sorry if that is too books-y for this partic thred
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
the fact that grrm thinks that kings landing would be bigger than a mediaeval london or paris is the problem really, there is no reasonable basis for that imo except, yknow, this is fantasy so fuck it i guess
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
all the cities seem super small on the show
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
like i wouldve thought kings landing was like 10k
lol, google comes up with the goods: http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/blueroom/demog.htm
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
Wouldn't it be effective for Dany to where a fire crown or something? Wouldn't hurt her, would be gnarly.
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
Literal fire on a crown I mean.
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
Just a little "Why wouldn't they have thought of this?" kind of idea.
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
it was a bit of a slow ep
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
xp probably mechanically challenging. she could dip a crown in oil and light it, but it wouldn't burn for very long. or i suppose she could build a little fire inside the crown and have someone drop twigs in there throughout the day the keep it going.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
also i think her survivng the bonfire is supposed to be like a one-time miracle and not necessarily a sustained superpower
― ciderpress, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
the dragons can be in charge of stoking it they dont seem to have anything better to do lazy dragons
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
Doesn't have to last all day even- it would be a helpful intimidation tool when meeting people she aims to intimidate
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
She also wasn't hurt by the scalding hot tub water in season 1(?) so I figured it's a constant attribute.
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
oh wow. "where = wear" a few posts up. I hate typo-ing like that.
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
There was a moment earlier in the first season where she was unaffected by high heat, tho
― polyphonic, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Martin: No, no Targaryans are immune to fire. The thing with Dany and the dragons, that was just a one-time magical event, very special and unique. The Targaryans can tolerate a bit more heat than most ordinary people, they like really hot baths and things like that, but that doesn't mean they're totally immune to fire, no. Dragons, on the other hand, are pretty much immune to fire.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
i like how the dragons keep growing
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
also, i think the dragons burned the shackles off of her in the Tower of something something too.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
and i liked how they added breaker of chains to her title and shes a hardcore abolitionist now
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
also kind of enjoyed how Joffrey is likely right about the dragons while Tywin is so very wrong.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that was a good scene
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
ya classic professional hubris blind to the black swan (dragon) where the mind of a child can see
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
wasnt sure tywin was being totally sincere there, felt more like he was like just trying to shut the kid up so he could go about the business of governing the kingdom himself
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
could be but not worrying abt baby dragons across the sea while fighting a war on yr doorstep seems p sensible
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
Every scene with Tywin this season involves very symbolic physical positioning/actions during conversations.
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
ya but this is tywin the master schemer, its like his raison d'etre to squelch any possible threats to his house, i bet he's not taking this lightly
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
it's like watching a black hole, he just sucks everyone else's perceived power right out of them when he holds court, it's awesome to watch it work
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
ok i have a question, danys sidekick solider guy, he was/is a spy for the lannisters? a few weeks ago in the previously on game of thrones segment they had a scene from the first season that i didnt remember where he was warning them abt her via letter i think that made it seem like that was the case
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
ya i cant remember if he was outed or not??
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
its seems like hes fully onboard #teamdragon now tho right
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
he was always conflicted iirc cuz he had a lovebone for daenerys
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 13 May 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
he is/was working for varys iirc. as far as the show goes, he has not been rumbled and i don't recall him officially renouncing anything.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, May 13, 2013 2:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i guess he is always hanging around that dragon burned castle
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
tywin is kind of the avatar of cynicism - mundane power and materialism. i think he would at least resist the notion of the return of magic, maybe be in denial if up close to it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
― ciderpress, Monday, May 13, 2013 2:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
also in the book it singed all her hair off
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 13 May 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
flaming crown idea less promising by the minute
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 May 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
this isnt the book man... its the show
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
Are Robb and his bannermen really at war, or does he just hang out in tents a lot.
― polyphonic, Monday, 13 May 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
the fighting has been *in-tents*!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 May 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
They've had some downtime reserved for sex that can't wait until Mom completely leaves the tent and war planning/note writing that can't wait until underwear is first put back on.
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
The Targaryans can tolerate a bit more heat than most ordinary people, they like really hot baths and things like that, but that doesn't mean they're totally immune to fire, no.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, May 13, 2013 2:38 PM (1 hour ago)
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, May 13, 2013 3:42 PM (17 minutes ago)
Compromise?:http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/171/unclemoe.jpg
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah robb is being boring can his wife turn out to be a spy or something cool those scenes are mostly zzz
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 May 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
idgi one week John snow and his wilding gf are pledging loyalty to no one but each other and the next she's all amped to attack the wall,shouldn't they be planning their escape abt now
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe ultimately loyal to only each other?
― Evan, Monday, 13 May 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
idk
Yeah I interpreted that arrangement as them going along with the plan as it stands, but Jon has Ygritte's back if shit gets real with whoever they're about to start fighting irrespective of his true status as a Crow (no Watch left though really so I dunno), and in turn Ygritte has Jon's back irrespective of his status as a Crow as and when Gareth from The Office goes postal on him in an attempt to win Ygritte's love and/or the other Wildlings find out what Jon's really all about.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 13 May 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
sure but why not just take off instead of risking death you know
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
as far as the show goes, he has not been rumbled and i don't recall him officially renouncing anything.
iirc there was a bit in season 2 (when Dany'd lost her dragons) when the mysterious woman in the gold full-face mask thing calls him out & asks if he'll betray Dany again and he says he won't.
but he's not been rumbled by Dany.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Monday, 13 May 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
this was a fairly boring episode imo - the whole let's go back to harrenhall thing is just like "yeesh okay."
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 13 May 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
xxpost - I spose because Ygritte is way too committed to the Wildling cause to sack it off so quickly.
Likewise Jon probably is gonna pull a fast one and do something to undermine this whole project as a result of his devotion to the Watch - or the idea of the Watch, anyway. Gotta remember that for all that Catelyn Stark was a dick to him, Jon seems to have gotten on well with Ned and clearly loved Robb and Arya and he obviously regards himself as a Stark of Winterfell to some degree. And it's the Starks who've always supported the Watch, manned the Wall, Uncle Benjen as head Ranger and so on - Jon's probably been brought up to believe that the Watch are fundamentally good guys doing a vital job for the realm.
And each one (strongly) suspects these things about the other, but they're in the first flush of passionate love. So what are they to do? Desperately in love but both with a fundamental awareness that this is all doomed because of the other's core identity, wanting really badly to just run off together but being too committed to their respective causes to actually do it? And each able to recognise that fact in the other?
Idk, that might be it. Basically this storyline is heading for major fucking tragedy, whatever else happens
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 13 May 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Basically this storyline is heading for major fucking tragedy, whatever else happens
that's sort of the way this whole series works tho
― Clay, Monday, 13 May 2013 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
Well yeah ok so it was kind of a redundant thing to say. But this story feels more poignant to me than Sansa having to marry Tyrion or Alfie Allen getting his cock chopped off by a psychopath or whatever.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 13 May 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
Speaking of, that lowers the likelihood of a male cast heh heh member showing more than body double butt, whereas every female regular between 18 and 40 has gotten her kit off.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 03:58 (eleven years ago) link
Alfie Allen showed full frontal in Series 1!
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 10:51 (eleven years ago) link
that's the point
― Number None, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:37 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, duh - (sorry)
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:45 (eleven years ago) link
omg torturing alfie allen was even more boring and stupid than it was last week
kingslayer and brienne thing is cute tho. sweet block and left cross from the bear too, should really have taken his head off to reveal nic cage afterwards
i already forgot what melisandre wants the bastard smith kid's blood for can someone remind me
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
also i keep thinking robb's gruff honourable bannerdude is being played by russ abbot, it's very distracting
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:53 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's been properly explained? Just that royal blood possesses power etc
― Number None, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:53 (eleven years ago) link
The blood of kings has powerful magic. Don't believe they've been more specific than that yet.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:54 (eleven years ago) link
i like the torture scenes myself. just sort of cheap lolz at theon.
isn't it to make another evil ghost thing? stannis asked her and she said he was too weak. presumably it used his blood time. doesn't sound like great things are in store for the poor lad.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:55 (eleven years ago) link
presumably it used his blood *the previous time i meant to say.
i think this was quite clearly discussed.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
oh yes that rings a bell. did they say who exactly he wanted to assassinate with it, seems like there's a fair few contenders at the mo
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
he just wants a new friend i think.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
Wait so if Theon isn't even in the third book are they just going to keep the character popping up in pointless scenes for two seasons just so Alfie Allen has something to do?
The scene with the bear was awesome.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
There's going to be an awful lot of that coming up once we're beyond the third book in storyline terms. Feast For Crows and Dance With Dragons each deals with half the cast, with the stories running broadly in parallel. Be much easier in the tv show to just run it as a single continuous story.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
There's been a lot of press around someone at HBO saying they see the show as running for 7 seasons. So Season 4 will be the second half of book 3, right?
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
xp presumably the events of those books are happening at the same time at each other, then? It would be more confusing to show them one at a time, so.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 13:39 (eleven years ago) link
well they're already integrating books 3, 4 and 5 to an extent and they'll continue to run 4 and 5 parallel as windsor says. book 3 material shouldn't stretch past the 3rd or 4th episode of season 4 at the outside.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 13:42 (eleven years ago) link
i kept thinking of the bear fight from Anchorman and couldn't take the scene too seriously!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
I thought Melisandre wanted a king babby? ie I thought part of her plan was to bone down with Gendry. Or am I imagining that?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
could be projecting a little...
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
was the smoke monster a king babby? didn't stannis express some wife-related qualms around the time of its inception?
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
yes it would not really work to drop major characters for seasons at a time tbh
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
i wonder how true that is. i guess they didn't want to be the ones to find out. but there is some much else going on besides.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
if u tell an actor he's not going to work for two seasons or whatever then good luck getting him back when you need him
but also i can't imagine the audience would go for that
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
didn't work too well in the books iirc so why not take the lesson.
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
Other shows (ie Lost) have managed to get away with dropping characters and then bringing them back but I'd imagine it's contractually A LOT more straightforward this way, especially with in-demand actors.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
Alfie Allen is in demand?
Kind of hope that just to make things completely unsubtle, ie par for the course, the torturer is going to hang Theon's Willy around his neck, would be a quaint visual parallel to Jaime's hand.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
maybe they could graft Theon's willy onto Jaime's stump
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
I pictured it more as stuck on a warning pike a'la Ned's head.
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
New meaning to getting speared.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure that if a bear smacks you in the nek, it doesn't leave shallow cuts. it just sorta knocks your head off.
on the other hand BART THE BEAR THE SECONDhttp://www.ibtimes.com/bart-bear-steals-show-latest-episode-game-thrones-1255199#
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:38 (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is no way to speak of ray winstone's offspring
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
Peter Dinklage plays drunk well.
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Monday, 20 May 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
sorely lacking in brienne and jaime. my two faves.
― homosexual II, Monday, 20 May 2013 05:55 (eleven years ago) link
Note to self: when talking to someone who has not seen the latest got ep and they say "how was it", don't do that thing where you FAKE OUT SPOILER by saying "oh yeah, i couldn't believe X died" because maybe they read the books and will reply, totally honestly "yeah, that was a shock to me when i read it" and now you have self spoilered and no one is going to be sympathetic about this ever
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 May 2013 08:23 (eleven years ago) link
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, May 19, 2013 10:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya
― lag∞n, Monday, 20 May 2013 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe that was a double reverse fake spoiler, forks.
― llama del rey (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2013 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
I can't believe how much I've grown to love some of these actors in these roles after initially hating them, esp. Lena Headey and Emilia Clarke
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Monday, 20 May 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
Oh it turns out it's an amazing magic dagger, let's leave it here and run away.
― Evan, Monday, 20 May 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
I'm glad that the show made Daario foine instead of some weirdo with a blue beard.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 20 May 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
No cute little "...now you have 10,000 men" line?
― Evan, Monday, 20 May 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
dany's new suitor has space face (like eric roberts-esque). as in I cannot truly contemplate it.
― homosexual II, Monday, 20 May 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
― Evan, Monday, 20 May 2013 15:21 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this ffs
― r|t|c, Monday, 20 May 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
was so excited for the possiblity of zombiebro finally eviscerating that fat fuckin feeb as well
― r|t|c, Monday, 20 May 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
this. going to be so annoyed if he suddenly has it again next episode.
― i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 May 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
that's a part of the book lore, right? so yeah, i think they're either going back or we'll see more of that magic dagger crystal stuff soon.
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 May 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
magic dagger crystal stuff is obsidian
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Monday, 20 May 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
p sure this was stated explicitly in the show whenever he picked the thing up
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Monday, 20 May 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
Woah Daario - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJjCKLC6yLU
― JimD, Monday, 20 May 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
i thought he just said he didn't know what it was. (trying to not conflate book stuff here)
― i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 May 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
Now I want Daario to rap on the show.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 20 May 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
the only thing I can think of to rhyme with "Khalisi" is "greasy"
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Monday, 20 May 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
Yeezy?
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 20 May 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
fo' sheezy
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Monday, 20 May 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
"can't leave the throne alone the game needs me"
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Monday, 20 May 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
too perfect that this is that dude's day job
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 May 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
― i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, May 20, 2013 8:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no he definitely says it's obsidian in the show
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 20 May 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
That was hands down the best uncomfortable wedding scene I have ever seen.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 May 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
I agree actually, Dinklage got the tone pitch-perfect - death-inducing levels of shame and mortification, tempered by the only emotion stronger, viz. an all-consuming hatred of his family for putting him through this (and everything else), all wrapped up in a lovely blanket of being a bit too drunk. Great acting
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 20 May 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
"can't leave the throne alone the game needs me" --stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover)
ballin' post imo
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 May 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
do all the white walkers look like that sven vath one or was he just particularly hot for annoying dweeb after spying him behind that rock last season?
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 May 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
Dinklage was awesome in the entire wedding scene... threatening Joffrey, the spitting... and his deranged laughter - all fucking classic!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 May 2013 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
ya hes the best
― lag∞n, Monday, 20 May 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
btw did we already discuss the fact that the actress who plays melisandre is a dutch pop star?
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 May 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
Lots of pop stars on this show
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 20 May 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
more of an actress turned pop star i would say
― Number None, Monday, 20 May 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
priestess of light (entertainment
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 May 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, May 20, 2013 6:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OK yeah wait how in the night full of terrors did Sam escape that march of white walkers end of last season?? I definitely thought that was his semi-off-screen demise. Why would they have left him alone? He was surrounded by the end of that shot.
― Evan, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
Was this already discussed?
just like everyone else, they don't take him seriouslyBUT THEY'LL LEARN. THEY'LL ALL LEARN
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
By the way if that Cersei smackdown on Loras was anything to go by I am looking forward to her wedding even more.
Joffrey and Sansa was genuinely chilling as well, especially now we've established that Tyrion isn't going to be having sex with her any time soon.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 09:13 (eleven years ago) link
what's going to happen with the evil leeches?
i figure all those characters dying is unlikely but maybe sickness or some kind of control of their behaviour? that would set up some insanity.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 09:28 (eleven years ago) link
they will all suffer a slight itch.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
in the books they get ingrown hairs but i like the slight itch idea too
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
They lose a lot of odd socks.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
The 7 kingdoms crumbled as the small folk had but one mismatched sock to keep them warm with the onset of an endless winter.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
Finally caught up last night."welp, guess I won't be needing this badass obsidian dagger anymore." whaaaaaaaaaaat the everloving fuck is wrong with that dude, seriously.
drunk tyrion is the best. cersei's face when margery grabbed her arm was awesome.dany's new rapping dude is whoa p cute. weird looking, but handsome.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
Cersei's face is that same sour squint it always is imo
― Evan, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
xpost Yeah, kinda relieved they Daario is at least a slightly believable love interest for Dany, the description of him in the books (SPOILERS BUT RLY) are just so horrific, it's like the ultimate giveaway as to what a nurrd GRRM really is. "Ahhh, I know exactly the sort of guy that a stunningly beautiful and independent and strong-willed young queen with armies and kingdoms and dragons would be into" yeahhhh not rly George
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
*SPOILERS BUT NOT RLY
Holy shit, ridiculous typo, sorry guys
I enjoyed that typo
― Evan, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah Daario seems more in-keeping with her Dothraki husband's steez, and she gets the added bonus of conversation
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
i love melisandre.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
the description of him in the books (SPOILERS BUT RLY) are just so horrific, it's like the ultimate giveaway as to what a nurrd GRRM really is. "Ahhh, I know exactly the sort of guy that a stunningly beautiful and independent and strong-willed young queen with armies and kingdoms and dragons would be into" yeahhhh not rly George
That's what I meant by the blue beard comment upthread -- Daario's description sounded sooo ridiculous in the book that I could not understand how anyone could be attracted to him, let alone Daenerys.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
she's a teenager tbf
― Number None, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
so... i *shouldn't* dye my beard blue?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
there was definitely a part of me that felt like GRRM came up with Daario after sitting through a friend's slideshow of a Burning Man trip
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/l6ilnOV.jpg
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
i kind of give grrm credit for being a bit wacky and not taking the obvious-good-looking-dude route like the show has. without thinking about it too hard, having grown up in an exotic play (relative to westeros) she might have more elaborate fantasies about what her dream date looks like.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
exotic place
i guess the question is more why and how is a mercenary on campaign dressed up so elaborately
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
until someone convinces me otherwise I'm gonna stick with "Burning Man"
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
to be clear i am not at all contradicting that, i have a feeling you are on to something
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://image.blingee.com/images18/content/output/000/000/000/78d/747046348_183465.gif
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
GRRM clearly drawing inspiration from Enid Blyton's Noddy series
wtf dude
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
serious bon jovi/wwe vibe off the guy in the show
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold his pointed mustachios were painted gold
― akm, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
Is it all that badly written?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
no, sometimes the descriptions are about food
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
As in:
"Tyrion's belly growled loudly as he helped himself to a trencher of pointed mustachios."
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
I always have this initial reaction that a mustachio is a mustache made of pistachios
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
― Mordy , Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
well, that passage isn't really badly written, i suppose it is just the content that might offend. and if grrm is a bad writer it is definitely more to do with content then actual writerly aptitude. he definitely has the fantasy-series-writer curse of starting out with indulgent urges and then slowly losing the editorial checks on those as the series becomes more successful.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, i have read some fantasy books and i...i've seen some bad writing. terrible, horrifying writing. sometimes i close my eyes and," he trailed off, staring into space, mayhap into the very void.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
he was a tv writer for quite a while and that definitely shows in his writing. a lot of the first season of this show practically just used the book as the screenplay
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
The chapters feel perfectly paced to be scenes in a tv show.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah the first book is rather tightly structured for a 900 page novel
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
he's talked some about how the act structure of building to commercial breaks by cutting on a cliffhanger really influenced how he approached the chapter structure.
― Clay, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer)
The first is my favourite in some ways because of this. There's a neat inexorability to the plot which is missing in the later ones, particularly the last two.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the first book is really the best-written one
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
The third is the most exciting though.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
daario kept making me think of the groosalugg
― shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat (zachlyon), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
"The third is the most exciting though."
For sure, I'm not sure I've ever read a book quite like it in that respect. Once it hits its stride it's totally relentless.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
Seven Hells at the book's description of Daario! Still, I think it would have been more... interesting if the TV show had gone with something closer to that than the bland, romance novel guy that they did go with.
― DavidM, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
Daario morelilke Fabio amirite
― DavidM, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
FWIW I really don't think his prose is particularly bad. He's never going to win any awards as a stylist of course, but his writing is often pretty evocative, and he has a way of describing the big dramatic scenes in a somewhat understated way which is very effective. Also a good dialogue writer. As Roberto said, there's a ton of far far worse professional SF/fantasy writing out there.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I was pleasantly surprised tbh tho by the third book he's definitely showing tics and by 4/5 he's straight-up lazy/maybe even a little bored.
aka second act problems I suppose
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
GRRM vs. Robert Caro in prose style showdown
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
if hes too lazy to write the books and hes bad at writing why doesnt he just hire someone to do it for him
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'm strangely upset that TV Daario doesn't have a gold tooth.
― llama del rey (Leee), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
― shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat shit, cat (zachlyon), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol, yes
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 22 May 2013 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 21, 2013
he totally should tbh. too rockist tho.
(except I bet he's left instructions just in case something happens to him)
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
GRRM supposedly told Benioff and Weiss where he's going in case he kicks off.
― llama del rey (Leee), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
the show is going to catch up to the books if he doesn't speed up his process significantly on the last two
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:28 (eleven years ago) link
even if it takes 2 more seasons to get to the end of book 5, he needs to have book 6 ready by then and also suddenly has a year to write book 7
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
i could imagine him writing the last season of the show before finishing the last book. i think he might revel in the howls of outrage
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
but the show could probably spin the balance of 3 + 4 + 5 into…maybe even 4 more seasons.
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 06:25 (eleven years ago) link
Also GRRM is only two years older than my mom and I want her around for another 30 years :( :(
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 06:26 (eleven years ago) link
which book is the show in now
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 10:56 (eleven years ago) link
Three. They're likely to get about 2/3rds of the way through it.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 10:58 (eleven years ago) link
do you guys think grrm is outraged over the casting of Daario? like arguing with the producers -- "no, this isn't attractive, this isn't attractive at all."
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 13:10 (eleven years ago) link
Not even a mustachio to be found, pointed gold or otherwise...
― Evan, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
he doesn't seem to precious about his 'vision', as long as the cheques keep rolling in.
"bland, romance novel guy" is totally otm. but i like dude's casual smugness for the role.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 13:21 (eleven years ago) link
"Ahhh, I know exactly the sort of guy that a stunningly beautiful and independent and strong-willed young queen with armies and kingdoms and dragons would be into"
Hah, from this I was expecting the description to be "portly bearded aging scribe"
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 13:37 (eleven years ago) link
Also he cut his teeth in TV, he must be resigned to the fact that some stuff is going to have to be changed/watered down. He's probably delighted to see his world realised on screen with the level of accuracy it has been.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
I mean Tyrion's described as horribly ugly in the books, and he seems to be totally behind Dinklage's casting.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
also he had his nose cut off
― Moodles, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
I suspect the reason for that change is to avoid having to expensively cgi out Dinklage's nose in every scene.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
I think it also has to do with an attempt to give him a wound without seriously detracting from his overall attractiveness.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
it would be too gross, like reading abt it is one thing
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
i bet they told dink they had to surgically alter his nose and he squealed like a bitch about it. fucking actors.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, it would've been too much to make him go the full Time Traveler's Wife
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/b37ef1a61d968520e9d1bed7a6123300/tumblr_mn59h2j2cM1qb0gmwo3_r1_400.jpg
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://pixieorsomething.tumblr.com/post/51069131125/game-of-thrones-s03-my-understanding-so-far
okay, wait, is this not running tonight?
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 May 2013 01:58 (eleven years ago) link
Memorial Day, and Liberace.
― llama del rey (Leee), Monday, 27 May 2013 02:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah hbo always skips big weekend holidays which is odd cuz that's such an old network mentality and hbo famously isn't even out for night of broadcast viewers anyway. no spoilers but i will advise ppl that they will want to watch the next episode as soon as it is broadcast and that they will otherwise want to stay the hell away from the internet until they do get to see it.
― balls, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/be6c2dcbdb270ea7341f193766cb8a57/tumblr_mnfphz8f971qbypg1o1_500.jpg
You know, the wardrobing isn't all that different, tbh.
― llama del rey (Leee), Monday, 27 May 2013 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
Better yet: http://www.earlyword.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/movies_behind-the-candleabra.jpg
― llama del rey (Leee), Monday, 27 May 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
xp they didn't skip memorial weekend last year and the result was super-low ratings for the 'biggest' episode of the season
― ciderpress, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i guess i can't blame them then
― balls, Monday, 27 May 2013 02:32 (eleven years ago) link
Edmure's wedding is on tonight's episode, I'm sure it will be super romantic! <3 <3 <3
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Sunday, 2 June 2013 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
Pffft, sentimental woman, I only care if his bride is hot.
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Sunday, 2 June 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
The gifts will be happy fluffy bunnies, brought especially by a embassy from Equestria, because friendship is magic!
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
everyone whos read the books seems oddly pumped for this ep everywhere on the internet
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
Well duh EVERYBODY LOVES BUNNIES.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait for the bunnies
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 3 June 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
bunnies are popular i guess
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
weddings on westeros are accompanied by a "bedding ceremony" where the bride and groom have their clothes stripped away and are carried naked to bed by the guests after the reception. so that's sure to be exciting.
― Clay, Monday, 3 June 2013 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
Showrunner interview now live. Spoilers like crazy, obv.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
Madden interview, similarly.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 02:31 (eleven years ago) link
man twitter is goin nuts right now
― Clay, Monday, 3 June 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
haha i knew the internet was gonna fucking explode over this
― balls, Monday, 3 June 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
Via a certain trending topic, I saw this post on Twitter from an hour ago:
@Letigzz 47mThe Hangover left me disappointed, good thing I get to come home to watch Game of Thrones.
...think I'll check in on her later.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
doors shutting, rains of castemere, good setup. then brutally stab talisa in the stomach. damn, it was all so brutal.
― Gukbe, Monday, 3 June 2013 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
that was really well executed
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 3 June 2013 04:02 (eleven years ago) link
Execution, yes.
― Evan, Monday, 3 June 2013 04:09 (eleven years ago) link
well um so that's what everybody was tripping over huhgood call on the ending
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 04:27 (eleven years ago) link
So hey, Edmure's bride was pretty hot after all!
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 3 June 2013 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
D:
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:02 (eleven years ago) link
What, you don't think she was pretty?
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
i have ptsd from all that jiggery pokery jesus wept
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:07 (eleven years ago) link
sweet jesus.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:10 (eleven years ago) link
that was gutting and insanely well done
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 June 2013 05:12 (eleven years ago) link
Gutting, yes.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 05:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I especially thought the Rickon/Bran separation has a lot of pathos, and given Natalia Tena's stature on the show, I kind of hope we'll get peeks at the Adventures of Osha and Rickon.
And Jon ditching Ygritte was COLD.
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
the gf and i were laughing at that one. then the laughter stopped.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:21 (eleven years ago) link
shanking oona was cold as hell
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/NaDBK5n.jpg
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 3 June 2013 05:54 (eleven years ago) link
lol at people who have DEEP EMOTIONAL CONNECTIONS with this show but haven't taken the time to read the books
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 06:13 (eleven years ago) link
ya, what assholes.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 June 2013 06:18 (eleven years ago) link
here's your grand guignol gif, click through at your perilhttp://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/06/massgif.gif
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
giving forks the benefit of the doubt and assume he's joking.
but if he isn't, he might want to learn about how people view and take in media and art.
― Gukbe, Monday, 3 June 2013 06:55 (eleven years ago) link
holy living fuck
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 3 June 2013 06:58 (eleven years ago) link
um guk, did you click on Canks' twitter link? because here's how some people are viewing and taking in media and art:
Alex Mastin @mastinalex 5hIf George Martin was in Auburn right now I'd stab him in the heart.
Trafalgar Chelsea @_ToraoLaw 3hI'M SHAKING. I'M CRYING. I'M BROKEN NOW. ROBB STARK MY BABY.
Mrs. @eab2940 @selfishlady 4hI have given birth twice to 8 & 9 pound babies. Watching Robb Stark die hurt more than both times combined.
Abby Larumbe @deaditebaby 4hI want to vomit and cry on everything... #gameofthrones
J @JosiahhDaniel 2hI can't believe what I just saw on game of thrones. Saddest day in my life
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:02 (eleven years ago) link
sepinwall's recap curiously hateful of the deceased characters
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:03 (eleven years ago) link
I clicked the link but to suggest that people don't care about the characters because they didn't read the books is pretty fucking stupid.
― Gukbe, Monday, 3 June 2013 07:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, you're misreading me.i'm suggesting that if your commitment to the teevee show is such that the death of a major character affected you more than both your children's births, it is an odd thing that you have somehow not gotten around to reading the source materialor more to the point, lol internet and geek fandom and everything but casually threatening an author with a stabbing because he killed off your fave character is nagl
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:07 (eleven years ago) link
no doubt that the general geeky violent reaction is dumb as hell, but to link that to "not reading the books" is still pretty fucking stupid.
― Gukbe, Monday, 3 June 2013 07:10 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno, it's always odd to me when people bond with episodic television show characters to the point when they are wrecked when characters die? Especially on shows where the deaths of major characters is part of the NASCAR like attraction? And especially especially when it's been an open secret for like thirteen years?
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:10 (eleven years ago) link
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, June 3, 2013 3:07 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
wow it's almost as if people on the internet use hyperbole as an affect
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 June 2013 07:12 (eleven years ago) link
i think the wrecked part comes largely from the fact that the starks have been presented as the more narratively traditional "good guys" in a show that is generally bereft of them, and that sort of centering group of characters has just largely been decimated in the most brutal fashion imaginable.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:14 (eleven years ago) link
like the zero hope, nightmarish fate that is usually reserved for peripheral gray hat characters.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:15 (eleven years ago) link
sure; that's a good part of what makes the show interesting and has been present since episode one when the incest twins pushed a kid out of a building
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:16 (eleven years ago) link
any form, whether it be tv or film or literature, has the power to create emotional investments. True, GoT does seemingly pride itself on the destruction of main characters, though it's not alone amongst television shows to do so. You say it's an open secret, but some (including me) managed to avoid that spoiler for the last four years. I made a conscious choice to not read the books after i was a hundred or so pages into the first one because I saw the ep where Ned died and thought, "I think I'd enjoy having this as a TV series to look forward to for a number of weeks every year rather than a book".
Go ahead and make fun of the absurd reactions of some of the fans on the internet, but don't condescend because they didn't read the books and thus couldn't "really care". Books and TV are different media, and they allow for different experiences.
― Gukbe, Monday, 3 June 2013 07:16 (eleven years ago) link
xp and i suppose hyperbole beats jaded irony as an affect but I'll take vanilla all the same
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:17 (eleven years ago) link
guk, honestly, i quit reading the books after the first one for exactly the same reasons and i am not on some turn up my nose at people who can't read hrumph hrumph shit here; touchy crowd tonight
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:20 (eleven years ago) link
i am not on some turn up my nose at people who can't read hrumph hrumph shit here
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 June 2013 07:21 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's being touchy to suggest that you're being condescending in the wrong ways. By all means, mock those who are being ridiculous about it, but for goodness' sake mock them in the right way. We have to have standards, after all.
― Gukbe, Monday, 3 June 2013 07:22 (eleven years ago) link
catelyn's helpless throat-slitting of walder frey's wife was an A+ moment. this show, man.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:23 (eleven years ago) link
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:26 (eleven years ago) link
in any case, yeah. good episode and prob the best season thus far.
not in the least bit interested in picking a fight. just wanting to point out when someone is being a prick in the hopes they'll correct their behaviour.
― Gukbe, Monday, 3 June 2013 07:29 (eleven years ago) link
was talking to jordan
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:30 (eleven years ago) link
― Gukbe, Monday, June 3, 2013 3:29 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
lol... get outta town
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:31 (eleven years ago) link
me irl during that entire scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUz9xCTOPRw
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:36 (eleven years ago) link
havent seen the ep yet, but from the gif it looks even more brutal than the book
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:46 (eleven years ago) link
they left the oona character alive in the book, right?
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 07:49 (eleven years ago) link
from the huffpo interview with Michelle Fairley here: http://www.huffpost.com/us/entry/3375895/
Max Read of Gawker wrote an obsessive article about the accents on the show. Did you guys discuss who gets what accents? Yes, absolutely. Ned was the head of the family and that was Sean Bean, and Sean’s accent is a Sheffield accent. It’s northern. Therefore, the older children were to speak the way Robb speaks, with a northern accent. But Catelyn is originally from the south, so she wouldn’t have a northern accent. And the children are educated. Some of the kids have northern accents, and Jon Snow has a northern accent. It was discussed individually with each actor about what they were expected to be.
Yes, absolutely. Ned was the head of the family and that was Sean Bean, and Sean’s accent is a Sheffield accent. It’s northern. Therefore, the older children were to speak the way Robb speaks, with a northern accent. But Catelyn is originally from the south, so she wouldn’t have a northern accent. And the children are educated. Some of the kids have northern accents, and Jon Snow has a northern accent. It was discussed individually with each actor about what they were expected to be.
― Clay, Monday, 3 June 2013 08:55 (eleven years ago) link
well I dicked the URL up but whatever
whoops, a bit more.
So Arya and Sansa have educated accents because they're younger? Yeah.And what is Dinklage doing? Peter? Peter’s doing English.Just a stage English, Shakespearean English? Yeah.
And what is Dinklage doing? Peter? Peter’s doing English.
Just a stage English, Shakespearean English? Yeah.
― Clay, Monday, 3 June 2013 09:00 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Monday, 3 June 2013 10:46 (eleven years ago) link
cool wedding
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2013 12:08 (eleven years ago) link
I wondered how they would make that scene as horrifying and chaotic as it is in the book (they didn't really but the stabbing of a pregnant woman fairly distressing).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 June 2013 12:08 (eleven years ago) link
feel like they did as good a job as i could've hoped
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 3 June 2013 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
Landscape @jemapellekarin 7hNOBODY WATCH GAME OF THRONES ITS HORRIBLE AND IT WILL MAKE YOUR SOUL CRUSH INTO PIECES AND YOU'LL BE FOREVER CRYING
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2013 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
Sinéad Una @flowersandfolk 26mI wanted to tweet five minutes ago about watching this weeks game of thrones. BUT I COULDN'T BECAUSE I WAS SOBBING AN OCEAN OF TEARS.
Miss Regina Felangie @_Promaniac 1hFUCK! FUCK! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! WHY THE FUCK DID I WATCH GAME OF THRONES :'(
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2013 12:16 (eleven years ago) link
rip wolf, it's sad you were a metaphor
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 3 June 2013 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
I loved Walder Frey in this, but I kind of wanted him to deliver a George Bluth style "And that's why you should always keep your promises."
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
and thats why you should never go to weddings
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2013 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe Jaime can get some J Walter Weatherman style work in now he's lost the hand.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 3 June 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
man tywin is the ultimate g i wouldnt fuck w him
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2013 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
Crows before hoes.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
@redweddingtears
― balls, Monday, 3 June 2013 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
i will agree that people's reactions to this have been hilariously OTT. this also includes some book readers that KNEW THIS WAS COMING!!!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
I thought it was very well done. (Obligatory but-as-a-reader caveats*: I wish they had done more to recreate the sense of building dread in that chapter, especially with the drums, and of course the show couldn't convey the sheer heartbreak of "No, don’t, don’t cut my hair, Ned loves my hair".) But Robb's final, pleading, "Mother" was great and Michelle Fairley was simply brilliant throughout. After she sees Robb dies she is just gone. Honestly, I was a lot more saddened than I thought I'd be.
Bran and Rickon's goodbye was very affecting as well.
alsohttp://25.media.tumblr.com/f57ff71c25ff0ec6264a3519cff803fe/tumblr_mntikrsVtg1rearvyo5_r1_250.gif
*I also meant to add, Roose killing Robb was a bit quick for me, thought it was more than made up for by the look he gives Cat when she sees he's wearing mail.
― gyac, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
My two favorites from that redweddingtears account so far:
RT @gameblouses: im gladd Robb Stark is dead he was annoying & ugly
@BWIZ Game of Thrones this, Game of Thrones that... Yo FUCK that midget. Can't take that fucking guy seriously.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
Oh and:
@victoriaanava im seriously balling right now. why game of thrones why!?!
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
the look he gives Cat when she sees he's wearing mail.
YES.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
If Reddit existed in Westeros Jorah would be posting about being friendzoned right now.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
Hahaha
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/19fe7f8578c746c5e54cd07c709cb527/tumblr_mnsvecPJLi1qc1a0go1_500.gif
but!http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a8dc59903431fe03b63a40ae7a1ba73/tumblr_mntiqalQz51qh5buco1_400.gif
― gyac, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know the name of the actor who plays Roose, but he was Amazing in this scene.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
i cried about rickon and bran, but not cat and robb. seriously, i guess its time i start rooting for the winning team. GO LANNISTERS!
― homosexual II, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
If I ever get round to buying the GoT board game I'm totally going to be the Lannisters every time I play.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
I'm more passive aggressive, so I'd be a Tyrell.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
i love the way the roose actor only uses his eyes but conveys so much. yeeeah i'm a rascal, what ya gonna do?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/L5hGXMf.gif
l-r, didn't read the books, read the books, didn't read the books
(i haven't read the books by the way)
― Z S, Monday, 3 June 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
Lannisters are tough because you're more or less surrounded to start the game. Tyrell or whoever else that is in the south is the way to go!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 June 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
the only saving grace of all of it was that Arya didn't somehow find her way into the hall to witness the carnage
that last scream of Catelyn's that just chokes off into helpless silence was amazing, she's such a good actress
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 June 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 12:48 (2 hours ago) Permalink
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 3 June 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
nicole LOOOL
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 June 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
frey dude looks alot like willie nelson to me which adds a touch of the absurd
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
#crowsbeforehoes would totally be trending if not for, you know
http://winteriscoming.net/2013/06/red-wedding-reactions-caught-on-tape/
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
Frank Ocean wrote, “smh. red wedding was too hectic.” (smh means “shaking my head.”)
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 3 June 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
or sydney morning herald
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
GAME OF THROOOOOOONES
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it was too hectic
there was just too much going on there, they should have slowed things down there and made it less exciting, maybe split that scene out over a few episodes, or maybe have a character hide behind a table for a few minutes and talk about what was happening and why it was so unexpected and scurry
smh at the way they did that
― Z S, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
My wife, not in the book reading contingent but probably a more rabid fan of the TV series than I am, had a pretty great reaction. At the shot of Caetlyn looking up at the band, her hand shot over and grabbed my arm with a white knuckle grip, "what the fuck is going to happen?". Then she let out a muted scream when the guy went after Talisa. Later she claimed it wasn't as "devastating" as the Ned Start season 1 scene, but it seemed to get a pretty visceral reaction from her.
― i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
Somehow, despite all the groundwork they did with the song "The Rains of Castamere" (Cersei's discussion of it, Thoros singing it, playing it at the end of the battle of Blackwater episode, Tyrion talking about it, using it as the Lannister leitmotif in the score, using it as the TITLE of the episode ... I still didn't know what song they were playing. Haha.
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
Mr Veg was laughing at me by the end, I yelled NO when robb & catelyn were first hit, then a series of NNOOOOOOs when Robb's wolf and Robb got it, and then just a quiet mournful 'oh no' with Catelyn's ending
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
I cannot wait to find out how the bedding went.
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
great-uncle's absence...
― Evan, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
Only one more episode this season, sigh
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
Grey Worm has sick fighting skills and he moves with such grace. I hope there is more of him in the next season.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
sick epi
― cozen, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://i2.cdnds.net/13/15/618x411/odd_you_know_nothing_jon_snow.jpg
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
You know, leave it to TMZ
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/03/game-of-thrones-throat-cutting-oj-simpson-witness-michael-baden/
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
On the bright side, at least Gareth from The Office got offed.
― hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
^aha!
― emilys., Monday, 3 June 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
For real, I don't know what they were expecting rolling up into Walder Frey's castle like he would be all nbd that Robb dissed him. Still, the slaughter was shocking. I expected hostilities and draw swords, but...damn. Catelyn's desperation at the end was affecting. At first I found her annoyingly long-suffering & righteous, but reading the first book made me appreciate her a lot more.
It will never happen, but part of me wishes Tyrion will turn Sansa into sex freak. I mostly just want to see more Tyrion sexy scenes. I fear for he & Shae, though. Also, please more Petyr Baelish & Viserys.
― emilys., Monday, 3 June 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
omg i can't begin to imagine what kind of kinky sansa/tyrion fanfic is out there. or if there is none, you need to write some.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
there are not enough NOs in the world
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
I want to see Littlefinger hanging out in the Eyrie with Cat's sister and the milky lad.
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
http://archiveofourown.org/tags/Tyrion%20Lannister*s*Sansa%20Stark/works
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
oh god some of those stories are truly revolting ;_; i can tell w/o even reading them
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
I want to see Littlefinger hanging out in the Eyrie with Cat's sister and the milky lad.― polyphonic, Monday, June 3, 2013 5:19 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― polyphonic, Monday, June 3, 2013 5:19 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― emilys., Monday, 3 June 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
http://archiveofourown.org/works/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&work_search[query]=littlefinger%2Flysa
this is truly the work of Satan
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I think maybe it's just that I want Sansa to become interesting and stop being such a dumbo.
― emilys., Monday, 3 June 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
sansa is pretty much a typical teenaged girl. she was soooo stoked at the promise of being betrothed to loras. she's wising up slowly. in season 1 she was truly awful.
― homosexual II, Monday, 3 June 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
isn't gareth an eagle now? like, do wargs stay in the animals if their bodies get offed?
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
i far prefer the joffrey/sansa/tyrell/tywin stuff to this week's gang, though now most of them are dead i guess there won't be as much about them.
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
still obv a good episode, i think the hype had made me expect something weirder, or an entire episode of shocks, i wasn't spoiled beforehand but knowing something crazy was going to happen deflated it a bit.
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-shit-i-totally-forgot-that-happens,32673/
― balls, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
love all the jorah pining loser scenes btw
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
https://vine.co/v/b3XZMHmxzxh
― gyac, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
Re: All these videos of people live-reacting to the episode ... what kind of savage records themselves watching television?
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
lol yeah jorah is gold with comedy princess bride cheeseball hunk on the case now
― r|t|c, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
it's probably book-readers who know what's coming recording their unspoiled friends? xp
― Clay, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
he's slowly taking on an "old gill" from the simpsons physicality. also that bloke looks ridiculous, i thought wwe wrestler, but princess bride cheeseball is a good description.
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
i think she even likes the silver fox more than jorah.
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 3 June 2013 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
i'd thought the big scene i'd been bracing myself for was jon snow getting his eyes pecked out at first. bit confusing
all the pure interweb shock seems a teensy bit exaggerated considering the overegged marital bliss + doors shutting + caetlyn ruh-roh scene before
roose bolton was superb as said. i don't even know how well he tallies with the book character but he always seemed like great casting the first moment you laid eyes on him
― r|t|c, Monday, 3 June 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
also STOP HODORING
― r|t|c, Monday, 3 June 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
i wonder if michael mcelhatton realises he will be booed in the street now for the rest of his life
― r|t|c, Monday, 3 June 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
Just rewatched the last ten minutes. Another great detail is a shot of Frey relishing a gulp of wine as the slaughter unfolds.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 3 June 2013 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
And then there's
http://gawker.com/arya-starks-game-of-thrones-red-wedding-reaction-vid-511123345
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
gyac posted it ned, come on
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
Even I am imperfect.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
Has that big ol army of white walkers from the end of season 2 been walking around in circles or what
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 June 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
Ned Wedding
― gyac, Monday, June 3, 2013 3:51 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dying at this, wkiw maisie williams
― Operation Gypsy Dildo (silby), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's the eye crossing that did it for me
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
Somewhere Jack Gleason is breathing a sigh of relief.
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/1268ed86376c445825dbf04767a536c5/tumblr_mnuq1k18db1qcziuco1_500.jpg
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:39 (eleven years ago) link
http://tybe.tumblr.com/post/52037481805/so-if-weve-recovered-from-this-red-wedding
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:41 (eleven years ago) link
Best spear fighting since Brad Pitt and Eric Bana in Troy imo.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/e52fbf0d7cdb6724714d835665ef6458/tumblr_mnup0wvjdk1s3joi0o1_1280.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/LC5p2TZ.jpg%3F1http://25.media.tumblr.com/cec60b662df8ba3664bdd0224bf8560d/tumblr_mnu9l2akf91qghejno1_1280.pnghttp://24.media.tumblr.com/e56e1c46b5ee5687b8e16251287fb55f/tumblr_mnt5g48SqV1s73w96o1_500.png
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
OTM, timely cull of boring characters IMO.
Dunno how Westeros succession works but given that John Snow is illegitimate and everyone thinks Bran is dead, does this mean that Tyrion is now running the north/Lord of Winterfell?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 09:04 (eleven years ago) link
Genuine lol at Arya knocking that dude out though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 09:05 (eleven years ago) link
Also, trying to work out at what point Lord Bolton was supposed to have been tapped up by the Lannisters. Sometime around that scene when he released Jaime and Brienne?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 09:08 (eleven years ago) link
Kevin McCloud is brilliant as Roose Bolton. Hasn't even changed his voice. Kept expecting him to ask Walder Frey how much over budget the castle had gone.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 09:10 (eleven years ago) link
Tbh I'd barely noticed the dude until this latest ep.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 09:12 (eleven years ago) link
In Westeros it's prob a good idea to never call - or even SAY you're going to call - your son Eddard. A bad end is ahead for any Ned.
― hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 09:57 (eleven years ago) link
Same here - couldn't have put the face with the name before now.
What are the rules of the Lord of Light/re-animator stuff? These people are, like, DEAD dead, right? We're not looking at any Starkzombies in Season 4, are we?
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 10:18 (eleven years ago) link
why did nobody mention this kinda weird act? like robb practically disowned his own mother for releasing jaime and then when baldy did it he was just what, too busy to care?
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 10:24 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think Robb even knew about it.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 10:26 (eleven years ago) link
I guess he never found out Jaime was recaptured. Though he would have done from that bearded guy who severed the hand.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 10:49 (eleven years ago) link
the bearded guy is one of roose's men
― max, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 10:59 (eleven years ago) link
it does seem weird that not a soul would have told robb, or that we didn't even have a scene of roose telling people to be quiet on it.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
well, someone would have had to send a raven, so maybe they're v strictly controlled? or all dead like in winterfell.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:06 (eleven years ago) link
Robb didn't appear to know that his sister had been married off to a Lannister either. He wasn't really that up on several things.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
no twitter
― max, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
maybe the ravens were down
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:09 (eleven years ago) link
just like twitter last night, same shit different ravens imo
you can't get the ravens these days!
a few months ago on reddit there was some "i am a historian, ask me anything!" thread and loads of people were like "how did they get ravens to carry messages in the middle ages???" because apparently GoT is a documentary
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:16 (eleven years ago) link
A modern communications strategy is useless without both ravens *and* a network of brothels.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:17 (eleven years ago) link
pigeon messengers go back to the middle ages in this realm but ravens are just classier eh
― nashwan, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:22 (eleven years ago) link
pigeons, being inherently magical creates, were wiped out by the doom of valyria
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:29 (eleven years ago) link
creatures
anyway, yes, i can imagine it wasn't entirely clear but everyone involved in the jamie/briene stuff were roose's men and they were apart from the rest of the northern folks. i think you were supposed to infer that this was going on without robb or anyone else's knowledge from the lack of conversation/shitstorm about it. and as for robb and crew finding out about sansa's wedding, i imagine there is no one left in the capital with sufficient sympathy and resources to get a message to them in the required time.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:35 (eleven years ago) link
Harper Voyager (Martin's publishers) have uploaded the Red Wedding chapter to share. In case anyone is interested: http://cdn1.vnetrix.com/A.Storm.of.Swords-Catelyn.pdf
― gyac, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 12:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/WtAuiGT.gif
― joe bogus (am0n), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
poor guy
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
dude crushed it in that scene imo
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/LfOhx0S.png
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 06:23 (eleven years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 10:34 (eleven years ago) link
A+
― hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:36 (eleven years ago) link
Looool
― 2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:50 (eleven years ago) link
I love that so much.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
omg lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
― ghosts of lower belvedere high technology sludge incinerator (imago), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
amazing
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
Source?
― 2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://niceguysofwesteros.tumblr.com/
― gyac, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
omg, it's a meme
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
jon snow in the hat.
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
The hound has a little DFW thing going on there
― Moodles, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/6/3/11/enhanced-buzz-18623-1370274708-22.jpg
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Wkiw
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
ws, wkiw, w(everything)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
this dan1sh c0mp0ser i had drinks with recently was talking abt his brief time in a band w/N C-W. apparently an incredible dude.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
omg the Littlefinger selfie pic
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.tvsa.co.za/actorimages/13390_nairn-kristian.jpg
― joe bogus (am0n), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/cd77c1ad2d7a32c85bd81e4b3817dc8b/tumblr_ml3zyrhfkW1qau834o1_250.jpg
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
haha I showed my wife some pics of Gwendoline Christie IRL earlier in this season and she basically spent the entire rest of the episode going "o_O NO FUCKING WAY"
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
wow, really couldn't have told you who that was on the show
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
alsohttp://ilarge.listal.com/image/4034021/936full-gwendoline-christie.jpg
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/kierongillen/status/342296604193198081
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
rickon is the cutest child alive. wanna steal.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
Thievery.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
i think bran should time travel back to the 70's and star in The Famous Five or Worzel Gummidge
his whole look = my childhood watching BBC tv
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
i mean the eyebrows alone, I love him
i like how thoroughly that photo is worst wkiw on the left and best wkiw on the right
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
If not already linked
http://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
ugh
― joe bogus (am0n), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
That was fast: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/04/michelle-fairley-suits/
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Friday, 7 June 2013 04:29 (eleven years ago) link
WNKIW Alfie or the torture dude based on those photos.
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 June 2013 09:05 (eleven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMELKF_CYAAixFV.png:large
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 June 2013 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
bet the torture dude likes miles kane and leighton baines
― ... (LocalGarda), Friday, 7 June 2013 10:08 (eleven years ago) link
the ott shocked reactions to this have been way less annoying than the smug "i read a book and am thus an all-knowing seer you naive little children, it is entertaining how i knew a thing and you did not!" reactions
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Saturday, 8 June 2013 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
We've been keeping tactfully quiet about it for three years, we'll gloat if we wanna gloat.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Saturday, 8 June 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure no one, at all, thinks the ott shocked reactions are annoying---they are hilarious, you child.
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Saturday, 8 June 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
guys we are all in this game... of thrones together
― lag∞n, Saturday, 8 June 2013 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
can't we all just agree that we hate everyone but ourselves and the select handful of people that validate our beliefs without question?
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 8 June 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/8196f4796977a6baa70b9ba96b12e121/tumblr_mnqiko4Yyn1ssb59go3_500.gif
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Saturday, 8 June 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
Creepy how that chair slides
― Evan, Saturday, 8 June 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
those of us that've read the books knew the chair would slide you adorable ignoramus
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Saturday, 8 June 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
don't know how you kept mum til now, you've truly earned yr moment of smugness
― ogmor, Saturday, 8 June 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
Son, I can barely even leave the house without telling old and/or Facebook about it, it is a minor miracle I kept my trap shut.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
Er, ilx. My phone is being too clever.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
Some people believe watching a television adaptation of an adult fantasy novel is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 8 June 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
oh god Rob's body/head thing might have been more traumatising than the damn red wedding.
― Gukbe, Monday, 10 June 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
Thank god for white ladies!
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 10 June 2013 04:13 (eleven years ago) link
I could feel that coming. Can't wait for the think-pieces.
― Gukbe, Monday, 10 June 2013 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
sssnore
― Evan, Monday, 10 June 2013 04:34 (eleven years ago) link
daenerys is white?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 10 June 2013 04:34 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ Hodor hodoring down the well
also can I get all Annie Wilkes re the obsidian knife magically reappearing after Sam clearly, CLEARLY DROPPED IT (and I know bcz we rewound it twice bcz we couldnt believe what we were seeing) ie HE DIDNT GET OUT OF THE COCKADOODIE CAR
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 05:16 (eleven years ago) link
he had more than one! there was a whole cache under that stone at the Fist of the First Men in season 2.
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 10 June 2013 05:26 (eleven years ago) link
also he clearly had a several obsidian knives because gave one to hodor and a couple to meera.
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 10 June 2013 05:34 (eleven years ago) link
hmmmm Varys' otm advice is rejected again. I wonder how that will turn out.
― emilys., Monday, 10 June 2013 06:12 (eleven years ago) link
Dany with the brown ppl at the end was super-awk, but the rest of this episode was pretty awesome.
― emilys., Monday, 10 June 2013 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
wait, why wasn't Littlefinger at the small council? I missed something.
― emilys., Monday, 10 June 2013 06:25 (eleven years ago) link
one woulda thunk in a post jarjar world that the complications of colonialism surrounding "meesa" would've warned off the wise but I guess "sahib" market tested poorly
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 06:38 (eleven years ago) link
also: more varys please. You know, when this comes back in late 2014.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 06:39 (eleven years ago) link
Tywin sent him off to arryn to secure the territory as an ally by marrying Lysa iirc. He left several episodes ago, with his big "chaos" speech being delivered over a montage that ended on his boat leaving the harbor.
― Clay, Monday, 10 June 2013 06:47 (eleven years ago) link
xpost Not seen the latest ep yet. So Sam found a knife did he? When we watched the one a few weeks ago we were both "WTF? You dropped the knife, son! You'll be needing that." Grrr.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Monday, 10 June 2013 10:26 (eleven years ago) link
We were but to be fair the scene cut with them running away but not very far. What could have come directly after was them going "shit! fucking birds... anyhow lets go back over there get some sleep in the shack, I left all of that stuff that has been keeping us healthy and fed since we left, you know, food? That stuff that I, Sam, am totally capable of gathering and/or hunting in the the tundra for myself, a new mother, and a newborn? Oop- shouldn't forget this..." (picks up knife)
― Evan, Monday, 10 June 2013 11:28 (eleven years ago) link
that was an odd season closer. instead of the traditional 'here is some shit to get excited about for next time' it was more 'hey don't forget about this stuff you may already have forgotten about'. and that last scene was a stinker.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 10 June 2013 12:08 (eleven years ago) link
With the penultimate episode ending on such a crashing crescendo, this was more quietly positioning the characters again and brewing up new developments. I'm looking forward to seeing Theon's sister and her brutish army wrecking havoc if nothing else, and Cersei and Jamie being reunited is interesting.The last scene was ehh, but ending on the dragons has become the tradition. This time they obviously thought the dragon's-eye view of the crowd was enough. Ehh.
People are still hung up about Sam leaving that blade?
― hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Monday, 10 June 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
There was too many boring little 1 on 1s in a row. Halfway through I was too distracted to pay attention by worrying nothing would happen before the episode ended. From what I heard there are some book developments that would have closed out this episode in the same vein as the excitement that closed the other two finales. Don't know whether that is true.
I am excited that Stannis is the first to focus efforts on the incoming army of the dead/white walkers.
― Evan, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
*From what I heard there are some book developments that would have closed out this episode in the same vein as the excitement that closed the other two finales if they had wanted*
― Evan, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
i enjoyed the half-hearted shooting of jon snow.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
i was kinda glad ygritte shot him tbh, cocky sonuvabitch
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it was a cute plot device in that everybody can feel okay about him fucking over ygritte now, she did fucking shoot him three times. everyone's even.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
serious lols at "you know nothing, Jon Snow"/"I know you won't hurt me OW OW FUCK OW"
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
honestly thought she was gonna kill him; just a bit disappointed she didn't as that would've been a perfect way to let that plot thread end
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
aw i don't want jon snow to die
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
that scene almost entirely made up for the lack of [BIG SPOILER]
I was too busy rolling my eyes at the triumphant embrace of Dany by the freed slaves to be properly offended by it
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
if I were more of a sad fan I'd write a Doctor Who/Game of Thrones crossover fic called "The Todger of Theon Greyjoy" because that title cracks me up
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
stannis really is a gigantic twit, isn't he
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
all that sausage eating and torture bullshit is so tired; i can deal with the show being sadistic sometimes but not when it has a special sadisms section every ep
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I hate everything about that storyline, it's so boring and dumb and ott
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
My wife didn't realize that Reek and Theon were the same person in the books and spent a good chunk of the episode yelling at that scene "THAT NEVER HAPPENED! IT'S DIFFERENT IN THE BOOKS!" It was cute.
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
I don't even like theon enough to care whether he dies or escapes, just ugh
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
so the reek thing as i understand it, and just skip it if it's spoilerish, is that theon re emerges later in the books as another character and all the torture scenes in the show are just implied? so those sequences are just to keep the audience aware theon's out there and to titillate with some funtime torture?guilty lol at the greyjoy carved cockbox tho; i can't be the only person who thought of deathdrone
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
waiting on the Theon-related SNL "Dick in a Box" parodies any minute now
― dmr, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
i'm curious if Roose knows that his bastard is writing letters to the Greyjoys, making demands etc. (if they stated this i could have missed it as my friend's headcase gf was talking over the episode almost non-stop).
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah, was wondering that as well.
― Evan, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/fe4NUDb.gif
― am0n, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
i'm curious if Roose knows that his bastard is writing letters to the Greyjoys, making demands etc.
don't think they made that clear. Bolton told Walder Frey "but my bastard has his own way of doing things" and then they cut right to the pork sausage scene. def. implied that he knows about the torture but maybe not about the letters, i dunno.
― dmr, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah the context of that remark was both the taking of Winterfell and Theon torture. I'm sure Greyjoy threat requires Rooses input.
― Evan, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
My impression was that now that Bolton is the Warden of the North, he's letting Ramsay take care of the Ironborn problem.
― Gukbe, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
xpost No, he's pretty excruciatingly tortured in the books too.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
He is, but iirc it kinda happens mostly in flashback? Or at least with Reek remembering it, as opposed to actual flashback. Maybe I've got that wrong.
But I think Forks has it pretty much right, these early stages of torture (as in, immediately post-capture) aren't shown so far as I recall.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
straying close to non-TV show spoilers itt w/the reek chat
― cozen, Monday, 10 June 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah its tough to get involved in the reek/ramsay storyline bc theon is a fuckin cunt, its heavy handed torture porn and it concerns a part of the world thats basically been looted and sacked and the owners of it all got murdered.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
don't think this season was brilliant overall - still enjoyable but they're having problems telling all the stories at once, it could do with a few more episodes, the red wedding was obv shocking but that's just a one-off massive event which only serves to make it more uneven as a whole.
― ... (LocalGarda), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone else notice how central crows/messages were in this episode? Balon mentions Theon killing all the crows in Winterfell, Measter Aemon asks how many crows they have before ordering them all sent out. We see their messages in the hands of Joffrey and Davos (which later saved his life).
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 June 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
Onion knight is the most likable character in the show.
...he's doomed...
― Evan, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/a468989ed6fe3d6ba45d025fcd742b3b/tumblr_mhbk3lAlM01qbaprmo1_500.jpg
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
man I would pay good money for some between-seasons Lone Hound and Pup like webisodes or something
<3 sandor clegane, grumpy killer dad so much
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
The rise and rise of Daenerys has been a bit too much of a walkover for me. I loved the unsullied liberation episode but it's been a piece of piss since then. It was obvious from the first scene her would-be assassin had the hots and would shit out, she hasn't been in any real peril and everything was easily won. Too much Triumphalist yaying going on for my liking. I get the feeling this was her League One promotion season and things will get more interesting next season. Grey Worm is awesome.
I love the burgeoning, improbable friendship between Sandor/Arya, it hasn't come easy and is genuinely touching. Also there isn't any of that risible dodgy Leon type shit or soppy shit to ruin it.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
I like all the boring one-on-ones, but yeah, could totally have done without more Theon torture, and Dany's storyline bores me to tears.
I guess Jon Snow is going to live, huh? Boo! I am tired of looking at his simpering little sad muppet face.
The jumping around can get frustrating. I wish they would do a Very Special episode with nuttin but Lannisters.
― emilys., Monday, 10 June 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
Rogermexico otm
― emilys., Monday, 10 June 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
totally
I really liked the Hound/Sansa storyline in what I read of the books, I was kinda bummed they didn't do more with that in the show. Interested to see where the Hound/Arya story goes, lil baby badass in training
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
It was so great when she went ham on that dude. It was kind of awkward that the Hound didn't notice what she was doing, but then again maybe he did & he was just letting her do it and then pretending to be all tsk tsk.
― emilys., Monday, 10 June 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
I really enjoyed this one, felt like it was setting everything up really well for next year.
Presumably the Night's Watch are basically bros with everyone and the Lannisters will get a raven as well? Here's betting they ignore it.
Any scene with Tywin and Tyrion and Joffrey altogether is de facto the best in the episode. Also, Davos is a dude.
― Matt DC, Monday, 10 June 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
the "she's going to be such a badass" line has been getting a lot of play, and obv she was born with a natural inclination toward running with scissors, but i find it hard to celebrate her education.
given what she's seen (headless father sorta, countless tortures and cruelties, headless brother sorta) and what she's been through (flight, capture, imprisonment, threat of torture, threat of rape, forced servitude, flight, capture, abandonment by substitute family, flight capture, etc) what she's turning out to be is less a badass than a hollow bullet of rage and pain just looking for a direction to be fired in. hound could teach her a lot about picking your damn battles and thinking for god's sake at least one step ahead.
she'll certainly kill again, and from my seat in the audience i hope she'll achieve some spectacular vengeance before it's all over. but if she lives to 17 she is def going to date a lot of bad boys before she sorts herself out. if she's not already too far gone for sorting.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 June 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
"hollow bullet of rage" is how i would interpret that character too but who knows what demon's lurk in the GRRM mind
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
(demon's soul joke maybe too esoteric there never mind)
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
captain save-an-arya xxp
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 10 June 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
kid has a hitlist and she's how old?
badass
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 June 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
http://mimg.ugo.com/201109/1/6/6/207661/cuts/hit-girl_528_poster.jpg
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 June 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
ygrette shooting john snow full of arrows was so good and lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:27 (eleven years ago) link
I was mentally yelling at her, "IN HIS PRETTY FACE DAMMIT, IT'LL STICK THAT WAY."
i find it hard to celebrate her education.
I was actually bored by the stabby, it was a lot more invigorating in the books. Also, as this is fiction, I'm less inclined to be moralistic here.
OTM, but IMO this was a LOT more disturbing in the book, at least how I pictured it.
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:54 (eleven years ago) link
I was actually bored by the stabby, it was a lot more invigorating in the books
agree
Also, as this is fiction, I'm less inclined to be moralistic here
am i taking a tone? fwiw i certainly don't see this as a question of right or wrong, just its sad bc if things had been different she might have been a girl.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:24 (eleven years ago) link
BOO TO THAT ROGERMEXICO
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:31 (eleven years ago) link
I'm trying to avoid getting too much farther into the books, but there's a thread in teh fandoms about how Arya's storyline isn't COOL BUTTKICKING GIRL GETTING HER BUTTKICKING ON, no, she's the child soldier whose psyche has been horribly distorted by the violence she inhabits, that your aside references, but I want to revel in the former without complications! And my out is that it's a story, and I can happily wallow in my shallowness.
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
I would say Arya's arc is going to be a tragedy but if the alternative is her following Sansa's route then idk. Westeros just seems a shitter for all involved.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
or a "shifter", I guess.
Eh don't mind me, I'm just airing some percolating stuff to avoid finishing a review for something else right now.
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:55 (eleven years ago) link
roose bolton is gleefully evil, i loved his little scene w/walder. barely concealed contempt, humoring the old psycho, pretty pleased with himself overall.
glad the direwolf head/stark body thing was in the show.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 06:27 (eleven years ago) link
xpost oh i have no idea what the internets have to say about any of this beyond this thread. i think i dipped in once a while back but had to flee bc too much stupid
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
never mind jon snow, her hair was too orangey for crows
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
this was a satisfactory closer/prelude but i did miss a bit of littlefinger craftiness somewhat
as epically cringe as the daenerys scene was this show knows damn well they can get away with anything if it ends with a dragon flying @ u face screeching
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
In that case I am glad they didn't try to get away with a whole penis chopping off scene because that technique would have made the experience even more horrifying and also confusing.
― Evan, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Got to have the dungeons, if you want the dragons. GRRM, he doesn't make the rules.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
The rise and rise of Daenerys has been a bit too much of a walkover for me
Weird how no one has bothered to even be particular suspicious of that grey haired dude who just turned up and started hanging out with them and has so far played no discernable plot function.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
Barristan Selmy? That's probably got something to do with his being pitched as a legendary ideal of nobility and heroism unfairly cast aside by King Cnut.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
There was a fear from Jorah that he knew that he was spying on Dany for a time.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
He's so dumpy I still have trouble buying that he is some legendary warrior. Blackfish is much more believable as a badass old guy warrior.
― Evan, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.esquire.co.uk/women/article/4083/game-of-throness-10-hottest-women-emilia-clarke-lena-headey/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffered226&utm_medium=twitter
note the writer.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
i was hoping for Jonah Lehrer but this is arguably even better
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
what the
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
waht?
must be someone else?
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah probably but lol if that's his secret side gig
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
It is someone else, I already asked Actual Simon Reynolds about it.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/SimonRetromania/status/344517753526435840
https://twitter.com/SimonRetromania/status/344518277512450048
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/SimonRetromania/status/344521832721952769
Ok, serious brain fart cos I thought you were referring to Roose Bolton.
― Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
how Sibel Kekilli and Oona Chaplin are not #1 and #2 respectively I do not understand
― akm, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
I'm bummed out I clicked on that and gave them a page impression
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 06:56 (eleven years ago) link
There was too many boring little 1 on 1s in a row
boring little 1 on 1s are also a finale tradition and they're always my favorite, esp when they're reflecting/navel-gazey/not directly talking about the big storylines/sort of how real people talk
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 07:30 (eleven years ago) link
and god, the robb/head scene is a million times worse when i remember he's only like 14 in the books. the red wedding too, but especially that, barf
there was that point in the red wedding where he's standing in the middle and just looking at walder frey and basically going "UH. UH." like tina from bob's burgers with that look in his eyes and i couldn't stop thinking FOURTEEN YEARS OOOOOLD
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 07:32 (eleven years ago) link
No worries, he's like 15 or 16
― emilys., Wednesday, 12 June 2013 08:58 (eleven years ago) link
Because everyone has different tastes perhaps?
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 09:14 (eleven years ago) link
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:30 AM (6 hours ago)
Yeah but with them all one after another it deflated the (potential) momentum I'd been hoping for in the finale. Though I'm aware we all needed a rest after the red wedding arguably... except I was looking for a little more resulting chaos.
― Evan, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
tbh i'm cool with the second to last episode containing the climax and the last episode acting as an actual come-down conclusion, everyone's just used to the jj abrams "finale has to be super exciting and end on a major cliffhanger" method
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://imgur.com/gallery/11bIw
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
Nedder
― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
James Stark was the winner for me.
― Evan, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
Along with Henry
Ned. Nedder.
― i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
Neddest.
Nedderino
― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
ashamed to have cracked up so hard at that
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
The Nedsterrrr! x-p
― nickn, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
Okay you people.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
THERIN GREYDUDE
i do have to admit if I didn't read the internet and this board and other boards I would be pretty clueless about the names of 50% of the characters, too.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
Nedder Ragdude
― Evan, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://aamerrahman.tumblr.com/post/52770211665/game-of-tropes-racefail-spoilers
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
grandmother of boobs girl, iron queen
honestly he did better than me
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 June 2013 01:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.bohomoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/935208_358736440914838_58085028_n.pnghttp://www.glamour.com/fashion/blogs/dressed/2010/08/09/0809lady-gaga-body-stocking_fa.jpg
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 June 2013 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
Hey I got a new display name of of that.
― Borak. Hogar? Obama! (Leee), Thursday, 13 June 2013 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
Was there talk upthread about another fantasy series by a contemporary writer that is as rad and HAM as ASOIAF and doesn't have the same racial and gender baggage that GRRM carries?
― Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
what's HAM?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
It's like BAMF, I think.
― Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 01:46 (eleven years ago) link
I always think BAMF is the sound of Nightcrawler teleporting.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
what about EGGS
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
Extremely graphic and gratuitous sexytimes?
― Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
SNIKT
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 12:20 (eleven years ago) link
POTRZEBIE
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 12:21 (eleven years ago) link
BLARGH
― Evan, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
VEEBLEFETZER
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
So I've seen most of this, and I don't like it. I don't know why. No complaints about the photography/technical side of it. Why don't I like GoT, anyone?
― cardamon, Thursday, 20 June 2013 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
your a fucktard
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 20 June 2013 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
wow, sorry... that was uncalled for... and probably untrue...
pvmnic
― the REAL Dr Morbius (silby), Thursday, 20 June 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
Well, no, lots of people like it, and they like other things I like, so I kind of wonder if I am being a bit of a fucktard.
― cardamon, Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
not everyone has the hunger for it
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
for ass, i mean
i don't know what your deal with the show is
put on your freaking thinking cap and figure it out yourself, pal. we're not your analysts!!
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
dammit i'm a person with a hunger for human asses, not a doctor!
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
I think part of it is the cumulative effect of lots of almost-actual-names. It's a pedantic annoyance. The thing is, I could ignore the silly names if it wasn't also aiming for (and a lot of the time getting) a certain level of realism.
Relatedly, it's medieval europe without the Christianity. It takes away the element of scheming royalty who pretend to be acting for a greater good, or anyone who actually considers themselves to be acting for a greater good. There's no Gregory of Tours writing his histories in the middle of all the violence. Decaffeinated medievalism. But then who wants to watch Kingdom of God.
I like the dirt and sweat on character's faces. Landscapes, costumes, that's all good. And this isn't me being flippant, these things are important in creating a world. In a similar way I liked this element of Mad Men.
I like the eunuch bits and the dwarf bits and the bits with them together.
― cardamon, Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
the eunuch doesn't have any bits iirc
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
The thing that bugs me a bit about the show, having no idea where it is going, is the pointlessness of all this fighting and scheming in a world with armies of snow zombies, dragons and women birthing smoke demons. Prioritize, you inbred morons! That's why I liked the end of the last episode. Red Witch was all fuck this game of thrones shit, there is an approaching army of snow of zombies!
Speaking of which, what happened to the army of snow zombies? Did it get lost?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:46 (eleven years ago) link
lol i sort of get the name thing
isn't ASOIAF supposed to be one of those "they're all speaking a different language, you're just reading it in english" books? whenever i read some alternate universe story where the names are just slightly different, it seems to imply some sort of evolutionary determinism, like "in every iteration of earth, language will evolve similarly and with a degree of direction, but not quite exactly". which is bunk, and a cool excuse to not create silly names and instead create silly deviations from names we're used to, i guess bc it's between "robb" and "gakzorn". but if we're reading a hypothetically-translated language, why not just translate the names to common english spellings as you would with "dragon" or "sword" or "tree", or i dunno be annoying about it and spell it "dragyn" instead. idk. it is corny and obnoxious to see "robb" and "CATelyn", though there aren't too many other examples from GRRM
also of course the main language we spend the most time with is always perfectly translated into english and the foreign languages across the river into dothraki land aren't based on any real languages, just your standard "savagey gibber-gabber" etc
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
nb i might be thinking of LOTR with this stuff
Actually, they speak English, complete with Latin alphabet.
― Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
oh lol
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry, they don't speak using the Latin alphabet, of course! They wrote in it.
― Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
Ah yeah, that's another thing, I wish there weren't dragons in it. Sorry if that's missing the point. Ice-demons and smoke-demons, fine, I liked them.
― cardamon, Thursday, 20 June 2013 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
dragons p cool in general tbh
― the REAL Dr Morbius (silby), Thursday, 20 June 2013 04:47 (eleven years ago) link
"Relatedly, it's medieval europe without the Christianity. It takes away the element of scheming royalty who pretend to be acting for a greater good, or anyone who actually considers themselves to be acting for a greater good. "
Dunno if I agree with this tbh, I think there are a number of characters and organisations who seem broadly interested in representing the interests of the people or "the greater good" or whatever. Most notably at this point Varys (tho tbf who the fuck knows) and the Brotherhood Without Banners, whose raison d'etre is to protect the 'smallfolk' from the schemers and the monsters and so on
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 10:52 (eleven years ago) link
I think GRRM does have a problem understanding religion - the way that the religion of the seven fits with the state and daily life and economic power is v thin and unrealised (and none of the variants he presents in any of the books make it any less so).
the dragons are sadly inextricable from the entire thing.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno, I think it makes some sense as regards the position of religion in a world where there is also magic, but religion isn't it.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:24 (eleven years ago) link
GRRM is a lapsed Catholic and Faith of the Seven is basically Catholicism.
the way that the religion of the seven fits with the state and daily life and economic power is v thin and unrealised (and none of the variants he presents in any of the books make it any less so).
I don't get this though? This is the biggest cultural division between the North and the rest of the realm. Like you have to take vows in a sept to become a knight, the king has to worship the seven, the Faith had to be demilitarised after their power got out of hand etc etc. The connection between the Faith and State seems fairly clear to me.
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:27 (eleven years ago) link
I am hoping this is not "the point" of the series but yeah it's completely implausible that you'd get this ridiculous infighting in the face of a coming apocalypse (or indeed even climate-based apocalypse).
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:32 (eleven years ago) link
i think its made pretty clear that no one believes an apocalypse is coming
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:32 (eleven years ago) link
the entire south and most of the north thinks the white walkers are just fairy tales, and until maester aemon contacts the four kings its unclear that any of them would have any idea that the nights watch has seen them.
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:33 (eleven years ago) link
im with CSM about the faith, GRRM is fine on it as a cultural phenomenon but it takes a while for him to get around to dealing with it as a political phenomenon
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah Stannis is the only one taking that shit seriously. Ned Stark pretty much ignored it in the very first episode.
I agree with C#m here - I can't remember anyone with real power even paying lip-service to religion, certainly no one around the Iron Throne.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
he tells you that the connection exists, but I don't think it's fleshed out in any convincing way: it's just a series of schema. he puts religion in the places where it seems plausible to have religion, but it's cardboard. Why does the king have to worship the seven? What's the rationale? Is there some legitimating force? Is it just lip service because the poor and illiterate masses do? (this is one of the problems: his "clever" characters are all unbelievers) There is not even any sense of a theology.
GRRM gives a bit of a sense of religion as a personal experience, in the weirwood scenes etc - but as a statewide, continent-wide religion it's super unconvincing.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:44 (eleven years ago) link
many xposts
In the series all of this just comes across as the obsessions of tiny groups of cultists rather than anything that's threaded through society. If there's a sectarian conflict lying ahead then the groundwork for it has been poorly laid.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 20 June 2013 12:01 (eleven years ago) link
the entire south and most of the north thinks the white walkers are just fairy tales
But see, that's what I was getting at: they can believe or not believe, but the fact that dragons were once huge and existed, with no question, and that there is some degree of magic, would seem to tip the balance in favor of ... believe.
"Bah, there's no snow zombie apocalypse that all our history books recorded happened once before. It's all make-believe. We live in a world of iron and steel, of blades and blood!"
"Yeah, but there used to be dragons that ruled the world and destroyed cities."
"Well, yeah, of course there used to be dragons. That's totally different."
Still want to know what happened to the snow zombies. A whole army was wandering around at the end of season 2. And then season 3, virtually nil. Meanwhile, all the humans, who have to stop, who have to eat, who are compelled to fight with each other every once in a while, had no problem heading south through the snow toward the wall. Did the zombies make a wrong turn?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 12:53 (eleven years ago) link
The White Walkers were further north, whereas virtually everyone was heading south pretty damn quickly all season.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the white walkers are just kind of chilling politely up north of the big forest until the other plotlines progress
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
basically just accept that the pacing on a couple elements of the story is so bad in the books that there's no way to fix it for the tv show. they already attempted to fix this on theon's arc and it resulted in a bunch of shitty scenes this season
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
xpost They knew there used to be white walkers. They just think they are all gone, and reckon stories from the north are just mental yokels making shit up. Just like they thought the dragons were all gone - and in Westeros the three dragons are still no more than a rumour. They haven't invented Twitter and Vine yet.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
But see, that's what I was getting at: they can believe or not believe, but the fact that dragons were once huge and existed, with no question, and that there is some degree of magic, would seem to tip the balance in favor of ... believe."Bah, there's no snow zombie apocalypse that all our history books recorded happened once before. It's all make-believe. We live in a world of iron and steel, of blades and blood!""Yeah, but there used to be dragons that ruled the world and destroyed cities.""Well, yeah, of course there used to be dragons. That's totally different."Still want to know what happened to the snow zombies. A whole army was wandering around at the end of season 2. And then season 3, virtually nil. Meanwhile, all the humans, who have to stop, who have to eat, who are compelled to fight with each other every once in a while, had no problem heading south through the snow toward the wall. Did the zombies make a wrong turn?― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:53 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:53 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know what you mean, but I do think the White Walkers are bound up with the weather (hence a rough old winter incoming being bad news for all concerned). Idk, I'm clutching at straws a bit. But White Walkers only able to exist in the most extreme cold weather, and therefore pushing further south as winter sets in? I think that might be kinda the point, but it's admittedly not made very clear.
The history books point is a little misleading too, this shit went down thousands of years ago. We don't believe in titans or giants or cyclops anymore either. Not especially far-fetched.
On a related point, what's all this about "Oh, the idea of in-fighting and petty personal squabbles between the higher-ups in the face of coming apocalypse is sooooooo unrealistic"?! Lone voices in the wilderness crying end-of-the-world, dismissed as cranks by the elites who are too busy fighting their own self-interested battles to car = a pretty accurate model of the way society works right now, afaict
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
The white walkers haven't been seen in millennia, and the stories have gradually faded into legend.
The last dragon died idk a couple of centuries ago? And there is a room filled with their skulls in the Red Keep.
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the white walkers are generally thought to be legendary whereas dragons are acknowledged to be real but are considered extinct. the general thought about the white walkers is wrong of course and they have definitely shown up in the distant past. the supporting historical record, such as it is, appears to consist entirely of dusty night's watch archives. the night's watch notably do believe white walkers to be real, but it is worth bearing in mind that they have come to be viewed as fringe weirdos as time has gone by and the oral history of the white walkers has been relegated into folklore.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's something that's made a lot more clear in the books - the night's watch was once this noble/honorable thing to do with your life and now it's staffed almost entirely by criminals who were given the choice between death and taking the black. the attitude towards it in the south is more 'prison camp' than 'heroic defenders of the realm' whereas in the north they still take it a bit more seriously.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
and the value of the night's watch for folks in the north is in helping stop wildlings from stealing their shit, rather than anything to do with legendary snow monsters
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, it is subtler in the programme but the implication's still there that the Northmen get it. Ben Stark's presence in spite of his status as the youngest son of the de facto rulers in the North makes that point in a pretty heavy-handed way
xpost - otm about reasons for the Nights Watch being there for the Northmen
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
To add to the believability of white walkers given the existence of dragons, I'd say the existence of warlocks is better support to tip someone towards accepting white walker existence.
And when did we decide the story needs a commentary on how religion plays a part in politics? I know it would be a fantastic angle for them to explore but I don't think they're required to go there any more than they already are given the strength of the story otherwise.
― Evan, Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
& the TV series makes it v explicit that the dragons aren't thought of as something that could be a present threat - iirc when Tyrion's told that Danaerys has dragons he's all "the last generation of dragons were the size of a small dog and sickly and weak, who gives a shit"
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah no that was actually my point, dude.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
And when did we decide the story needs a commentary on how religion plays a part in politics?
i'm not saying it needs "a commentary", i'm saying that the part of his worldbuilding that relates to religion is unconvincing. whereas, e.g., the part of his worldbuilding that relates to magic has a really sound internal logic (this is the no-spoilers thread, and it's mostly book stuff, otherwise i'd go into it more).
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
And when did we decide the story needs a commentary on how religion plays a part in politics? I know it would be a fantastic angle for them to explore...
― Evan, Thursday, June 20, 2013
yup nothing to see here
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30000000/got-game-of-thrones-30059967-500-281.gif
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
weird -- there was def a pic of melisandre and stannis standing over the Painted Table attached to that post. anyhoo, cf: Melisandre
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
xxp: I should reread before diving into this more but part of the issue is related to the strengths of the different faiths, isn't it? The power of the 7 Gods is waning while the Fire God is waxing, reflected so far in how the ppl actively or notionally following the 7 seem to be in an overall weaker position than the people actively or notionally following the Fire God.
― keyser saucy vagina (DJP), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
"On a related point, what's all this about "Oh, the idea of in-fighting and petty personal squabbles between the higher-ups in the face of coming apocalypse is sooooooo unrealistic"?! Lone voices in the wilderness crying end-of-the-world, dismissed as cranks by the elites who are too busy fighting their own self-interested battles to car = a pretty accurate model of the way society works right now, afaict
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:01 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"
Yeah I think I skim-read that passage of the thread, was addressed as much at Josh in Chicago as you
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
The Red God seems to grant his worshipers actual powers...
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
The Red God seems to grant his worshipers actual powers...― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:10 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:10 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Straying dangerously close to spoilerish book material so I don't wanna say anything out of turn, but I think in general this world is pretty good about giving you reason to believe that any of the competing faiths answer the prayers of the practitioners. Or at least that they are each possessed of their own unique powers
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but also
BOOK STUFF SPOILERS
the birth of the dragons has brought magic back into the world (hence the maesters' dragonglass candle test can now be completed); the return of magic means miracles are now possible; therefore the miracles promised by the fire god are now actually happening in a way that surprises even his acolytes (both melisandre and thoros of myr have chapters that cover their experience of this).
END BOOK STUFF SPOILERS
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
(that was in response to DJP and I guess chap)
― Evan, Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:58 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean. religion plays an important role in politics, and vice versa. if youre building an even semi-realistic world this is somethign you need to address. its not commentary its verisimilitude
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
tbh it's been so long since I've read the books that I don't fully remember the timeline, which is probably why I feel like this is more chicken vs egg than it may actually be
― keyser saucy vagina (DJP), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
its just weird that someone as interested in/attuned to power and its works as GRRM falls apart so completely on the question of religion, at least for the first three seasons
Spoilers
This is to do with the return of magic to the world (not as explicit in show as books). that's how Daenerys can hatch her dragons, how the "kiss of life" Thoros uses on Beric actually revives him (to his shock, it's a pretty standard ritual), how Bran can see the future & warg etc. The Faith of the Seven is the only faith without a magical element to it, it really is just prayers and candles.
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
jeez guys what part of NO SPOILERS PLEASE is missing from the thread title?
/boardlawyer
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
discussion of any differences in the TV show and the books from what we've seen is fine. ― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:51 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
xpost to SPOILERS
But we saw a white walker in the opening scene of the first ep of the first series - dragons only hatched in the last episode. Dragons are part of the return of magic, not its cause.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
xp to self but also, yes, mea culpa, one of the things i mention in my spoiler post is from a later book than 3 -- in my defence it's not a plot point.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
that wss my concern but agreed it's not a plot point afawk so i suppose there's no need to press charges
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
huh, ithappens, good point.
and there has been lower-level magic shit going on previously: jaqen hagar's powers don't seem to be new to him, the warlocks in qarth have been going for ages, etc.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
well these aren't really plot spoilers they're just things that the book goes more in-depth on. but yeah this is getting into other-thread territory i think
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
xpost tbf most Qartheen scorn warlocks as weird-looking has-beens with no actual mojo
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
and this was explicitly mentioned in season 2! ;)
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
What I was getting at is that I understand why people might not realize magic is back, but there has been enough magic in the past - no debate on the presence of dragons, for example - that these GoT dudes should at least allow for the benefit of the doubt. I mean, in our world there have never been giants or wizards or dragons, but if there were a room in the Smithsonian dedicated to dragon skulls of any size, I'd at least consider the possibility that some of that other magical stuff might have been real, too. Though I suppose they might consider dragons the way we consider dinosaurs - they're dead, so who cares - their dragons flew, breathed fire, coexisted with humans and conquered worlds, which is more than you can say for our terrible lizards.
Maybe it just is that the show has done a poor or incomplete job explaining magic in this world. Whether it was once known to exist or whether people think of it as myth and legend. I do like the show, but I do think if I lived in a land of miracles, I'd pump up my praying a tad.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Do dragons def count as magic? In the same sense as the resurrections + smoke monsters?
― woof, Thursday, 20 June 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry you sort of go into that with dinosaur analogy but I'm confusing myself thinking about it now.
― woof, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
How does the fauna of Westeros relate to our earth's fauna? Is it basically parallel, w/ some variation (direwolves). Do they eg have squirrels called squirrels?
― woof, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
They're called diresquirrels.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
wait til you get a load of the direworms
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
xpost I think a better analogy than dinosaurs v dragons when considering whether "present day" Westerosi might believe in magic would be present day attitudes to disease.
Malaria used to be endemic to the UK. It was called the ague, or marsh fever. It wasn't till the discovery of quinine in the 19C that it was effectively combatted. Yet you say to almost any Britisher that for hundreds of years malaria killed thousands of people in the UK, and they will say: "Bollocks, malaria is a tropical disease. Fairy tales, mate." Things fade from memory and even belief much quicker than you would expect.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, but in this case they have troves of giant skulls, and no one denies dragons existed! And yeah, fire breathing monsters count as magic. At least they do as this show conceives of them. We've also seen a giant (once) and a bunch of proper mumbo jumbo magic. And snow zombies. But sure, no one knows about most of the snow critters yet. Or at least, lots of people suspect but remain rather nonplussed.
I do enjoy this show a lot, so don't want to come off a complainer. But say we were in the crusades, and there were people conquering in the name of God ... and God was real, or at least allowed/encouraged/enabled miracles. I'd at least reconsider my resistance. But maybe it really is just a matter of lack of communication. I was under the impression that Theon Greydick killed all the ravens up north or something. Are the rest of the ravens still alive? Because for all the shit going down of varying magnitude, this season finale seemed to be the first time we've seen messages sent or received in some time. Like, shouldn't there have been letters streaming south by the hundreds once head Crow nightwatchman was actually attacked by a snow zombie?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
Is there another thread? Why would you have a Game of Thrones thread that is spoiler free? Once there's a post that says yes, it exists, what other purpose would a spoiler-free thread serve? Just asking, because I don't want to spoil (more).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
There are millions and millions of people who do still believe God is real and allows/encourages/enables miracles, and they offer evidence to prove it …
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
the nights watch had a lot of people then and didn't know the magnitude of the problem, now they do know and have lost a ton of manpower
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
Is there another thread? Why would you have a Game of Thrones thread that is spoiler free? Once there's a post that says yes, it exists, what other purpose would a spoiler-free thread serve? Just asking, because I don't want to spoil (more).― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:23 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:23 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
yes there's a get yer spoilers on thread and theon may have whacked the winterfell ravens but that's hardly all the ravens in the north.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:23 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:23 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
good xpost here
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
There's believing God is real and offering "proof," and then there is a woman who actually births a vagina demon that goes and kills someone. And again, there's believing in dragons based on books, but then there's believing in dragons because there are a bunch of skulls and everyone agrees they were once real because they actually destroyed things. It's one thing to pray someone comes back from the dead. It's another thing to bring someone back from the dead.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
tell me about it bro
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
That's sort of one of the things I like about this show, that everybody goes about their mundane business in a world at least tinged with the preternatural. "Oh, that's just a giant." Etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
Of course, if someone told me the Replacements were reuniting with Har Mar Superstar on guitar, I wouldn't believe that. We live in an age of dubious miracles.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
I think if I were a mildly sceptical Londoner in 1100 I would be really unsure if elephants existed, or if people were bullshitting me. If I did believe in them, I'd likely believe some crazy things about them, probably via some corrupted Pliny tradition.
― woof, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
people were pretty convinced that unicorns existed for the longest time! ppl wrote about them in books, after all.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
There's believing God is real and offering "proof," and then there is a woman who actually births a vagina demon that goes and kills someone.
Yeah, but the vast majority of Westeros' population is unaware of the magic stuff attributed to the Red God. Also everyone here is discussing this from a comfortably post-enlightenment vantage point. Reckon in the real middle ages the boundaries between myth, rumour and fact were considerably more hazy.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:21 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
until maester aemon sent the ravens, almost no one except for (untrustworthy) wildlings and nights watch deserters had seen the white walkers
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
i think theyd been sending letters to king robert about needing reinforcements, etc. but the nights watch is also an ailing institution so that stuff gets ignored or treated like a bunch of crazies. its like the post office or something, has a certain cultural cachet but in reality theres not much political will to prop it up especially when southerners who dont really believe in the white walkers are in charge. and also while its largely staffed by freed prisoners and bastards and shamed lords
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
or think of the white walkers like climate change even. theres a lot of evidence that its a serious threat to humanity! and yet
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
so Stannis is Al Gore, you're saying
― align="justify" font="ancient" (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
sure
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
i don't remember how clear they made it in the show but tyrion is basically the only person in king's landing who takes an interest in the night's watch, being the only one who's actually visited it (at the start of book/season 1)
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, basically. Just a thoughtful bloke I suppose. Though I find it kinda surprising that the Spider doesn't take any interest in their affairs, given that he seems to have a finger in every pie going.
Obviously the Watch doesn't hold any political cachet whatsoever, which explains why, say, Littlefinger, is not at all arsed, but I'd kind of expect Varys to at least stay up on what was going on there. Or does he mention it and I'm forgetting? Been too long.
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, diegetically, the connection between magic and dragons isn't explicit, save possibly for some whacko corners of scholars, and the insistence on the characters' necessary understanding of the connecton kind of isn't logical within the world. As you say, Josh, the dragons are how we view dinosaurs, nevermind the details of fire breathing. (Pterosaurs flew, btw. Did their flight involve magic?)
― Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
i think max understands westeros better than GRRM at this point
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
xpost I used to have a co-worker who would show me pictures of Padre Pio's hands and invite me to deny this was evidence of a stigmatic miracle. Not very far removed. And of course I could not deny it was evidence of a stigmatic miracle (any more than she could prove it was proof of one).
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
Well, there is the distinction that people and Dragons coexisted and Game of Thrones, and humans and dinosaurs in our world did not. But I'm willing to buy their dragons as our dinosaurs, and their myth become reality the equivalent of us reading something in the Bible that comes literally true. Again, I'm coming at this from the direction of having no idea where this is going. For all I know, once the White Walkers and dragons and magic are confirmed, everything might change.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
As to the main point, history is replete with rulers who see no further than their own need to perpetuate their own rule and fail to notice far bigger issues …
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Have the White Walkers been assigned a motive yet?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
And does the general population really have no idea that the dragon queen not only has three baby dragons but also an army of thousands marching on the throne? I guess I need to be schooled on how far apart all these battles and skirmishes and wars are.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
Have the Giants been north of the wall the whole time, or are they newly returned too?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
north
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
dany is on a different continent and not even the part of it that's nearest to westeros. news travels slow, since its only word of mouth really.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
the dragon queen doesn't have an army of thousands marching on the throne tho - she has an army of thousands on a different continent entirely, on the far side of a huge desert, and she's not yet made any sort of convincing move towards westeros.
also i doubt the gen pop care either way? the whole continent in which they live is in a state of war - their concerns are more likely to be centred on not dying, maybe making some money, and ideally putting aside enough stocks for the long winter while somehow avoiding their requisition by passing soldiers.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
it'd be like a frenchman in 1200 anticipating the mongol conquests
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
But the dragon queen is not so far away that they did not try to assassinate her, right? The King? He knew she was there, just like the Lannister guy knows she has Dragons.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
but the king is not the general population?
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
But that's the King, most of the general population are illiterate peasants, how would they know/care any of this was going on?
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
He knew, but the news was pretty delayed because of the messenger's travel, and also his getting the news depended on his having a spy present and in a position to hire and meet with messengers to send the msgs. That was before Ser Jorah stopped spying for Robert, iirc?
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe that's what's confused me. Because the previous king knew she was alive and a threat, when she was farther away. Now she is closer (right?) with more soldiers, and dragons, and the higher-ups and King's Lading know about her and them. So they must have spies way out in wherever the fuck she is right now. I understand they've been distracted by the northerners, but they all seem rather blase about the birth-heir to the throne marching their way with an army and dragons. Especially given the previous King was pretty bothered by it. But the capricious, self-interested aspect of the Lannisters is their defining trait, I suppose.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
Also the previous king didn't have a big clusterfuck civil war to contend with.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
There's a lot in this show of people ignoring voices of reason, because voices of reason get beheaded.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
I totally get it, and get the show, but it plays out like misplaced priorities. But I guess misplaced priorities have been the death of many a civilization.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
None of this seems at all complicated to understand to me.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
It's not complicated at all! Ironically, that's what's throwing me off. Like, if magic were introduced, let alone re-introduced, to my boring world, it would blow my mind and change the way I thought about life. But I guess the magic stuff is still on the down-low here, and eventually people will get their apocalyptic panic on.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
Like, the guy who sees the witch birth a demon ghost vagina assassin? He's still very distrustful of her, but I think if I had seen that I'd not only be slightly wary of crossing her but probably get on board with her agenda.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
You're thrown off by not being thrown off?
Magic hasn't been re-introduced to the worlds of most of the major characters in the story. The only major characters who have seen magic are in the far east, the far north, or the handful of people who saw the shadow baby.
I mean I grant you that it's a little odd that Brienne isn't like "so btw Jamie I saw a shadowbaby and it killed Renly"
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
xxxp no one other than king robert considered dany a threat prior to the dragons, robert was in love w/ ned's sister who got captured by dany's older brother and got killed, so he had personal/emotional reasons for going after the exiled targ kids even though they weren't threats at the time
― ciderpress, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
Hmm maybe I am a bit judgmental but I don't want to be on team witch shadowbaby ghost assassin.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Nor would I! But I might change my mind were things like that to actually, you know, exist.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
People can believe in stuff and still be against it. Just because these gods are proven to exist doesn't mean that everybody suddenly starts worshiping them. People might think that the interests of the gods do not align with their own, especially if the gods like human sacrifices.
― silverfish, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
I like max's post office analogy
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
How is the demon ghost vagina assassin visually described in the book? Like was everyone picturing:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly0hjeza891qc88cb.jpg
when they read the book?
― Evan, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
It's literally described as a shadow in the book.
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
It's a shadow that looks like Stannis, not like a baby.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
It's a lot more surreal and creepy in the book but "inky cloud monster" was probably to easier to pull off visually.
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
xpost No, Daenyrs is much further east now. She used to be in one of the west coast cities, Portland maybe. She went east with the the Dothrakhi (to Topeka). And now she's gone further south and east. Like she's in Tampa now, perhaps.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Where is King's Landing? Spain? England?
I loved how everyone was all "I don't know what I saw that night," but we're all like, yeah you do, it was an inky cloud monster. Where's the confusion?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
King's Landing is in Mumbai, basically
― DJP, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
If only the characters could hear the narrator!
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
But they were in the room with it when it happened! The other guy saw it birthed!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
At least no one is looking at the dragons and muttering "I don't know what I saw."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
I think there's just a comical lack of communication in Westeros.
"Why didn't you tell me you saw a ghost vagina demon assassin baby?!??!"
"You never asked!"
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
Onscreen they have to show it as a shadowy thing that you're supposed to be paying attention to, because there's no way to replicate the sensation of something that flickers in the corner of your eye but is hard to see when you look right at it, or whatever mystical invisibility qualities you can think of.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
Dragons are a major part of the spoken history of Westeros and shadow babies aren't. It's a thing that's been done once or maybe twice (maybe during Robert's Rebellion? I think?). Dragons flew around in the sky and rained fire on cities. A little easier to become a part of the universal consciousness.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
And yet the dragons are still mostly a curiosity when encountered, even though these little dudes can still do some damage
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
I grant you that people should be like "holy shit I saw a dragon" but we are also not privy to every utterance or thought of any of these characters.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Dany's dragons are also still pretty small (all things considered; none of them are the size of the skulls piled up at King's Landing) and everyone's last memory of dragons as a going concern was as sickly housepets, so it's not too shocking/unexpected that many people who encounter Dany's would assume they aren't as powerful as they are
― DJP, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
The dragons have only killed one dude in a public setting so far so it makes sense that until now they were just a curiosity to those who haven't read their history (aka almost everyone in Essos), but anyone who knows what a fully grown dragon is capable of either covets them or fears them.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
Who you gonna call?
http://www.virtual-history.com/movie/photo/07/large/07415.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
But they were in the room with it when it happened!
have you never in your life doubted your own senses? doubted someone else's? even living in a time when magic was thought possible i reckon people would find your protestations of "a ghost came in and did it, i saw him" pretty weak.
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
which they did.
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
or like... saw something shocking you had trouble recalling properly?
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
we're getting into tuomasian not-understanding-human-beings territory here
http://25.media.tumblr.com/1dc0f54cd60de7fae2cdefb586a13353/tumblr_moo2lcRro31qzmowao1_500.jpg
― kenjataimu (cozen), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
whoa, guess he just has two dubplates of him saying "hodor" over and over again?
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
i think he plays regular records
The only thing more ridiculous than me not getting this is you guys pretending these (awesome!) cartoons follow any rules of real human behavior.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
*spoiler*
the entire game of thrones story takes place over an eighteen-hour period, and all of it is also mario's dream
http://i.imgur.com/eibDKlM.jpg
― Z S, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
Disappointed? Well GRRM doesn't OWE you anything!
― Evan, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
I apologize for talking to you
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
all you people are silly.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
Think I'll go back to only posting links no one asked me to post
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
please post all the links.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 June 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
Lol just met Roose Bolton
― Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 June 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
Better sleep wi' one eye open
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
man wears motherfuckers like a cloak
― Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 20 June 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
Genial IRL.
― Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 June 2013 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if he knows he is the subject of many "old man feels" on Tumblr. It's only a matter of time before they discover Fergus's Wedding.
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
Just spent a solid thirty minutes staring at maps of Westeros and Essos. I need help.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
Need directions?
― Evan, Thursday, 20 June 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
The khalasar did so much damage in the village of the lhazareen that instead of going like 30 miles south to Slaver's Bay, they instead walked thousands of miles through the red waste to get to Qarth, and then took a boat back to Slaver's Bay? Why not turn around and go to Matarys or Volantis?
Also why were they so far south in the first place. Weren't they originally going to Vaes Dothrak before Drogo got sick? I guess they had some pillaging to do but it seems like a lot of work for such a seemingly insignificant village.
I wonder what it is about the Smoking Sea that makes it smoking.
House Bolton lives in a place called Dreadfort and no one thought it was a bad idea to ally with them?
I wonder what the terrain is like west of the Shadow Tower.
Etc.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 June 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah Bolton's whole thing screams "villan" a little too much.
― Evan, Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder what it is about the Smoking Sea that makes it smoking.volcanoes
― gyac, Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
started when it was a teenager; keeps trying to quit but somehow life always gets stressful at exactly that point
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
― Evan, Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:00 (25 minutes ago) Permalink
that's just Roose being Roose
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
ZS I think you mean it's all Daario's dream.
― Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Friday, 21 June 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
Oops, forgot the spoiler tags.
http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.11724835.0317/sticker,375x360.u2.png
― Evan, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
Watching the series now. I kinda wish they'll do a Napoleonic Wars epic after this.
― Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Friday, 21 June 2013 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't read the books, so everything I get is from the show:
-Nobody credible has seen the white walkers until Sam turns up at Castle Black in the last episode, when ravens are immediately sent out. There had been warnings before, but nobody really pays attention to the Nights Watch. Even now, it took Melisandre looking into the fire and saying "oh shit" for Stannis to move.
-Tyrion is worried about the dragons, but Tywin mentions the small nature of the last ones etc and on top of that the royals seem to have the only intel, or at least those on the small council are.
-People who have gone to foreign lands seem to be more worried about magic than Westerosi
-I quite like the way it's dealt with religion, even if it has no tight-locking connection to our world. Sure, they're way more tolerant of the Old Gods of the North and the Iron Island's Drowned Dude, but they think of them as quaint, parochial weirdos anyway. It doesn't seem that anyone in King's Landing genuinely believes in the 7, and only sees them as politically necessary to deal with the commoners (weddings, the Baelor, etc). Gregory of Tours was brought up, and for me it was impossible to read his Histories without seeing Clovis' use of Christianity as a cynical political necessity. The Red God is a new thing, and that seems more magic-based than deity based, but I could be wrong. Either way it tickles me that a woman has been leading the charge on introducing a monotheistic god.
― Gukbe, Friday, 21 June 2013 06:27 (eleven years ago) link
Watching the series now. I kinda wish they'll do a Napoleonic Wars epic after this.― Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Friday, June 21, 2013 5:49 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Friday, June 21, 2013 5:49 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
Spielberg is adapting Kubrick's lost Napoleon project into a tv show
― Number None, Friday, 21 June 2013 08:46 (eleven years ago) link
Either way it tickles me that a woman has been leading the charge on introducing a monotheistic god.
Dunno if this is a show or book thing, but it is oddly fascinating how this show depicts women in power while simultaneously undermining women in positions of power. I can only assume the books don't have random naked women bobbing about in the background.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2013 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
in the book, didn't they go through the Red Waste because dany was superstitiously following the path of the comet? or was that just an excuse she was using to save face?
― persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Friday, 21 June 2013 13:07 (eleven years ago) link
It was the only way for them to go to avoid being killed or enslaved by competing tribes
― Moodles, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, wasn't it a matter of taking the path of least resistance, no matter how environmentally inhospitable?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
I think it would be funny if she made it all the way to King's Landing, killed just about everyone in her way, then when she was about to take the throne Joffrey, who had been hiding, pops out and stabs her in the ear, stays King, and then the show/series ends.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I've joked before that the very last scene of the last episode will be a tracking shot across the Red Keep throne room; bodies of dead dragons and people scattered about on the floor. The camera pans up to reveal Joffrey sitting on the iron throne, smirking directly into the camera. Fade to black, end titles.
― hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Friday, 21 June 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.geek-pride.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/April-Fools-Joffrey-Troll.jpg
― gyac, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
This explains Ramsay's motivation quite well (spoilers).
― Mike Foucault (Leee), Saturday, 29 June 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
just stopping by with a tip: if anyone on here thinks that Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is hot, I strongly recommend that you watch the Danish 1994 thriller "Nightwatch" (Nattevagten)- it features a 24 year old NCW and his megawatt cuteness had me reaching for the smelling salts (plus it's a fun, over-the-top thriller even if you're not there to gawk). As a GoT bonus, one of the characters has an outcome that eerily predicts an element of the Jamie Lannister plotline too . . .
― the tune was space, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 04:59 (eleven years ago) link
Chugging thru this season and I still want this cast & crew to do a Napoleonic epic. With a proper HBO budget, they could do wonders.
― Ze Meadow Morals Squad (kingfish), Thursday, 4 July 2013 05:03 (eleven years ago) link
It's also based on books that are really very good. Better than the dumb movie (which I totally enjoyed every minute of).
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 4 July 2013 05:46 (eleven years ago) link
Oh sorry that was xp wrt "Nightwatch."
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 4 July 2013 05:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://io9.com/a-musical-memorial-to-dead-game-of-thrones-characters-w-682179711
― Gukbe, Saturday, 6 July 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
anyone seen this? it looks like garbage.
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/hammerofthegods/
― caek, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
i' m a heartbreak beat, brienne, yeah all night long
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/giant_dragon_skull_appears_on_beach.jpg
http://winteriscoming.net/2013/07/huge-dragon-skull-discovered-on-english-beach/
this is kinda cool for a dumb marketing thing
― Clay, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
rad!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
awesome deleted scene released:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXJlUIQP94
― blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
Since S3 has ended I've blazed through the second and third books, halfway through #4 now. It's a testament to Charles Dance the actor that he can do justice to Tywin so completely. His performance is absolutely perfect throughout.
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
Word. And it's a shame ANY Tywin scenes don't make it to air.
― Shannon Leeedles (Leee), Saturday, 17 August 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
ya sweet outtake for sure
― lag∞n, Saturday, 17 August 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
wow!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 17 August 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
For those curious about that beautiful location, visit Dubrovnik, Croatia in Google Streetview
Meanwhile, Company plans Game of Thrones Malta tours (The Malta Independent). Looking at photos in Google Maps, it looks like just about every fort in Malta was visited for scenes in Essos.
― 400ml rectal air infusion (Sanpaku), Saturday, 17 August 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
Awesome cgi effects reel, showing how much of the shots are composited, and how much arent.
http://www.geek.com/apps/effects-reel-shows-how-much-of-game-of-thrones-is-digital-fantasy-1567351/
Spoilery, naturally
― Your Own Personal El Guapo (kingfish), Sunday, 18 August 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/09/game-of-thrones-recasts-the-mountain-hafthor-julius-bjornsson-to-play-gregor-clegane.html
I don't know if any show will ever recast as many characters as this one already has. I hope they pull a Roseanne and say like "something seems different about Mountain lately..."
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://io9.com/the-lannisters-visited-sesame-street-1351641773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ppOup8fp4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkj4i-QjWrQ
― Your Own Personal El Guapo (kingfish), Friday, 20 September 2013 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
It's a shame they didn't appear 'in character'.
― hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Friday, 20 September 2013 09:13 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
^A+
― Roz, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link
Crying with laughter at that.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
Of course the standout character is Terry.
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:21 (ten years ago) link
dying
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link
"you think they should make iphones for babies? because I do"
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 October 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
that was good
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 17 October 2013 02:28 (ten years ago) link
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Thursday, 17 October 2013 04:07 (ten years ago) link
you a fan a the PIKACHU?
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
darth vader blues
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
found it hard to shake the irrational feeling that some of the voiceovers were being done by the original actors
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:09 (ten years ago) link
and THEN we went to the FIREBUG'S house?
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/nov/07/women-and-thrones/?pagination=false
― max, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link
like a fancy walkmankind of
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
I've watched this four times now. Dani/Denise is the strangest and funniest.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
It really drives home how many times Joff gets slapped in this show.
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 18 October 2013 00:20 (ten years ago) link
I mean JoJo
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 18 October 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link
http://s.mlkshk.com/r/VNUG
― Dan I., Saturday, 23 November 2013 09:09 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY43QSx3Fk
― Number None, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
just give me them all now
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link
I was going to dismiss this as whatevs but then I saw Arya, and then I saw Viper who didn't initially click why because wite and now I'm like, OK I'll give it a shot.
― Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Monday, 13 January 2014 02:32 (ten years ago) link
this is the season where [MOD EDIT: spoilery things happen]...can't wait
― sarahell, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link
Yeah about that warning in the headline of this thread.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link
whoops - where's the thread for people who read the books?
― sarahell, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:45 (ten years ago) link
that was a funny joke sarahell considering the central irony of game of thrones is hes the only one who survives
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link
N
― dsb, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:58 (ten years ago) link
ppl speculate that Dany will marry Joffrey in book 6
― sarahell, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:04 (ten years ago) link
http://rareimpala.tumblr.com/post/75141352996
― Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Friday, 31 January 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
could use some context but i lol'd
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Saturday, 1 February 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link
i kept thinking of the band Blood Orange
― bills mar honoring da silver and black (sarahell), Saturday, 1 February 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUA93c6J_50
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Saturday, 1 February 2014 05:25 (ten years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgYKQM8CIAAKZnG.jpg
― polyphonic, Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:26 (ten years ago) link
So this arrived the other day.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f223/joegood/1523004_10151864325156957_1299389860_o_zpsedea83c8.jpg
Haven't played it yet, it's a bit daunting.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
i've played a few times.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
Is it fun? I've never played one of those super elaborate board games before.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
it's cool - once you get the hang of the rules (takes a game). the tough part is finding 4 people who know the rules or are at least willing to try.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link
it's usually best with 5 people. 4 is no good (because the entire south is empty) and 3 is ok.
I would imagine you need a pretty big table?
― polyphonic, Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
I've got a house full of willing players, but totally unwilling rule readers. I am designated board game explainer.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
so how does it all end?
― Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
Everybody dies.
― eeeLectrelane (Leee), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
you may not enjoy this, then. you kind of need to know the rules in order to set up your pieces and plan things etc
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 February 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I might suggest a few open rounds before we play for real in that case. Seriously, these people will not pick up a rulebook.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 13 February 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
my friend has that game and we keep meaning to play it but nobody wants to figure out how
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link
well when you either win or you die as a result i can imagine the trepidation
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link
I just blazed through all three seasonsWedding ep particularly traumatising
― kinder, Sunday, 23 February 2014 00:34 (ten years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304585004579417603138479142
On a Tuesday night a few weeks ago, the rapper Wale showed up with his entourage at Premier Studios in New York's Times Square, entered the vocal booth, and over a string-heavy march-like instrumental track, started rapping about medieval-style mythical warfare:I'm tellin' whoever messin' with meI can bring you that Khaleesi heatUse my King, knack for words, as an actual swordI can decapitate a rapper…
I'm tellin' whoever messin' with me
I can bring you that Khaleesi heat
Use my King, knack for words, as an actual sword
I can decapitate a rapper…
― Number None, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/george-r-r-martin-interviewsprawling!
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 March 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
He's living in a fantasy world.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 21 March 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
So there’s potentially three more seasons there, between Feast and Dance
ramblings of a mad man
― Clay, Friday, 21 March 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
This thing starts back up Sunday.
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Friday, 4 April 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 April 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
Important question: how hot is the new cast? Because we're going to be seeing a lot of them ... naked!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
Not really a new direction, though?
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Friday, 4 April 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
T-minus 24 hours or so until news reports cite this season premiere as the most illegally downloaded thing in internet history.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
Gotta get stabbed on Sunday
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
Death death death death
valar morghulis asap
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 6 April 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
DYING FOR AN HBO GO PASSWORD :(((
― ian, Monday, 7 April 2014 00:51 (ten years ago) link
ian you have until 10:05pm before you can watch via hbogo anyhow
― Evan, Monday, 7 April 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link
Don't episodes usually get 134ked by now?
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 01:44 (ten years ago) link
HBOGO servers are down!
― Evan, Monday, 7 April 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
Between this and True Detective and 90% of the HBO Go users not being subscribers, I wonder how quickly HBO's working on rewriting their contracts to let them launch as an independent service for $15/month.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 7 April 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link
so that last scene was pretty boss
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 April 2014 03:35 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/fntVrAG.gif
― Evan, Monday, 7 April 2014 03:35 (ten years ago) link
yeah, really enjoyed this
― I made a grave mistake with my balloon at the end (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 April 2014 03:45 (ten years ago) link
arya got the blood lust
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 April 2014 03:53 (ten years ago) link
Finally not half-expecting a little drool out of Jon Snow's dumb face anymore. Interested in that development.
― Evan, Monday, 7 April 2014 04:00 (ten years ago) link
That was a nice bit of ultraviolence at the end.
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 05:25 (ten years ago) link
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, June 10, 2013
stand by this post
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 7 April 2014 05:33 (ten years ago) link
ARYA. Yes. That's my girl.
Um I think I missed something or I am dim but who's sword did Scary Lannister melt down for Jaime?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 April 2014 06:10 (ten years ago) link
Ned Stark's massive broadswoard Ice.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 7 April 2014 06:11 (ten years ago) link
They made a big deal of showing where the sword came from at the start of the episode. same one that ned beheaded dude with at start of the series and that he in turn got whacked with when his time came.
― I made a grave mistake with my balloon at the end (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 April 2014 06:14 (ten years ago) link
lol i thought that was just part of the "previously on" flashback
thanks!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 April 2014 06:19 (ten years ago) link
er yeah that scene was not on hbogo i guess
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 7 April 2014 09:28 (ten years ago) link
I can never remember stuff like that on this show. Nevertheless, entirely entertaining
― akm, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
Maureen Dowd revealed she is one of you in Sunday's column, gooble gobble
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 April 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link
That's because Kit Harrington finally figured out how to keep his mouth from hanging open all the time.
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg8YinaIYAAgBJB.jpg
the mountain
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 April 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
Mountain #3, right?
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
cast dying off faster than the characters. new daario was a steep descent from the first guy, who was perfect.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
yeah mountain #3, daario #2, why does no one want to act on this show
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bustle.com/articles/19185-what-happened-to-game-of-thrones-daario-naharis-why-the-actor-changed-for-season-4honestly didn't even catch that this was supposed to be that guy.
― I made a grave mistake with my balloon at the end (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 April 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
Why didn't they try to match the hairstyle? That would have helped.
― Evan, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
Actor who plays new Daario also plays the cute horndog producer guy from Nashville. Maybe he sings in this season
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 April 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
Didn't clock he was the junkie from Treme
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 7 April 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
Felt the original Daario was very Romance Novel Cover-esque so I'm okay with that
True but I was pulled out of the episode whenever he had a scene because they look so different.
― Evan, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Probably won't be a problem next episode though.
i could watch a whole episode of the hound saying 'cunt' tbh
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
We really need to make that Hound & Arya spinoff happen
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 April 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
Arya gonna Hound us?
― Evan, Monday, 7 April 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
Hound Arya
― Karl Malone, Monday, 7 April 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
their conversation abt naming swords was lol
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 April 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
are those of us who haven't read the books but have read wikis about the events which took place before the books allowed to speculate on this thread? feels like a spoiler grey zone. I have a "theory" but it's probably a well-known one amongst the book readers. I suppose it's best kept to myself.
― ryan, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
for any who haven't read those wiki pre-histories I recommend it--sort of a very cool high romantic story in it's own right.
― ryan, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link
Heh we could start a THIRD thread for people in that situation. I can probably guess which theory you're referring to, which I don't think the show has really emphasized.
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link
let's just say it's about parentage.
― ryan, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
i read the wikis of what happens in the books and i demand a thread
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:10 (ten years ago) link
Also, anyone else catch the Hound's "A man must have a code" shout out to The Wire?
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 22:11 (ten years ago) link
yes. it was funny.
also is SIGNIFICANT CHARACTER's parentage even in question? i mean i know it's yet to be resolved but there only seems to be one credible theory. maybe it needs its own thread.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 7 April 2014 22:13 (ten years ago) link
it is def the only theory that makes sense once you read the backstory.
― ryan, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link
And both the Hound and Omar have facial scars! xp
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
the theory is so foreshadowed in the books it's unreal and it would make no sense for it to be any other combination. probably best to go to the book thread.
― gyac, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
SPOILERS if anyones wondering what theyre so mysterious about http://goo.gl/K7HuFG
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
those cannibal guys could use some cooking lessons
― Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
who the fuck eats arms though, seriously?
I mean, I'm not a cannibal so I could be mistaken, but I wouldn't imagine there's a lot worth eating on a human arm.
― gyac, Monday, 7 April 2014 22:50 (ten years ago) link
Wings!
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 7 April 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
Where are these wikis and are they spoiler free?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 7 April 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link
Definitely avoid the ASOIAF wiki, as it's current with the books.
― polyphonic, Monday, 7 April 2014 23:08 (ten years ago) link
haha yeah I should stress i inevitably find out more than I wanted. but on be main one there a big tab for "history" or something like that. "spoiler-free" is probably very relative but it's all basically the record.
― ryan, Monday, 7 April 2014 23:24 (ten years ago) link
I figure this show has maybe 1 or 2 more seasons of high ratings before people get tired of being endlessly strung along and things become uncontrollably convoluted and pointless
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 23:34 (ten years ago) link
well good thing they're only planning for three more seasons
― Clay, Monday, 7 April 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
GRRM said there were only going to be three books once
― Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
feel like this is set up such that no conclusion will be satisfying. feels like it's kinda meant to go on forever, what with the whole starting in the middle tactic and the disposability of the characters
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
Audience expectations for cannibals to be culinary artisans could be a result of watching Hannibal, some of these fuckers just want to chomp on yer bits!
― xelab, Monday, 7 April 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
the theory is so foreshadowed in the books it's unreal
tbh I didn't pick up on the theory until I started trawling ASOIAF wikis AKA while waiting for MOAR BOOKS/EPISODES.
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Monday, 7 April 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I certainly wouldn't have clocked on my own. So much backstory being flung at you in the books it's hard to know exactly what is significant.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 01:12 (ten years ago) link
Dunno if this has all been over above already but one of my favourite things about the show is that two of my favourite characters are actors I used to be familiar with but didn't recognise them until someone else told me. Jerome Flynn from Robson and Jerome Rory Mcann, who was in an old Scottish porridge advert and a wheelchair user in the sitcom Book Group. Hope this wasn't posted already.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tZ0LWGdTq0
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
haha that's incredible. i would never have twigged in a million years.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
It was posted already. Off to the Wall with you.
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Shit, sorry. Couldn't check all posts today and YouTube doesn't work very well on my kindle, so I took a risk.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
When you post in the Game of Thrones thread, you post something new or you die.
(No worries for not checking every other 5000+ messages in here.)
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
Okay, something new:
http://www.theverge.com/entertainment/2014/4/8/5594448/hbo-orders-two-more-seasons-of-game-of-thrones
(In, granted, the least surprising news ever category. Still, is this the first time they've ordered two rather than one?)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link
I wonder how many of the characters will be either dead or played by different actors that far down the line.
― Evan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
Mountain #8 by that point, surely.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link
why cant they just make all the episodes and give them to us theres no reason they shd do it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link
anyone else think jaime looks hella older and gaunter this season
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
also there was a lot of non-book stuff in this ep, right, like the brothel scene? in the books he actually does meet tyrion and they have a nice chat i think?
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
and a bit of respect for each other?
jaime's danish accent seems way less obvious this season.
― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
He has a Danish accent? I thought he was a yank making a decent hack at RP.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
yeah dude has put a lot of work in on his accent, probably especially now that he's getting US film roles
― anonanon, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
Yeah Jaime def looks more gaunt and thin and weathered than before, by design I think
Feel like making Oberyn bi is a little bit too on the nose, was that hinted at too in the books?? NB I totally missed out on Renly in the books but it seems pretty obvious now after rereading the relevant passages
― 龜, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
Haven't seen the new ep, haven't read the thread in a while, but I did see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5pJnlrj6AE
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
i have no problem with making oberyn bi but it was definitely played like a "...did i SHOCK you" moment which is a bit lame in this day and age
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
Oberyn a bit less of a cunt in the books no?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link
Been a long time but I think he comes across as more cunning and sophisticated in the books
They're really trying to play up the "this guy ain't from around here and he's not gonna play by the rules of WESTEROS" or w/e (NB before some nerd points out that Dorne actually is in Westeros 1) you know what I mean 2) those maps in the paperbacks are shit)
― 龜, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
Oberyn's sexuality isn't hinted at in the books -- it's fairly well spelled out (or at least with characters repeating rumors). I'm more miffed that he's more White Viper than Red Viper.
― Ned Zeppelin (Leee), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/06/game-of-thrones-star-maisie-williams-aka-arya-stark-on-her-big-premiere-episode-two-swords.html
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
I'd like Benjen Stark to come back at some point. I can't tell if we're supposed to care about his whereabouts at all or not.
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
well he hasn't been mentioned in like 26 episodes or so so he's probably not supposed to be at the forefront of your mind
― Clay, Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
if benjen ever reappears they'll probably give you a handy flashback to remind you of who he is like with ser dontos
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:54 (ten years ago) link
Well, in the books, Dontos turns out to be Benjen, oops, spoilers.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 10 April 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
http://juliaskott.tumblr.com/post/82388412367/specialbored-dinner-is-coming-part-2
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 11 April 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
The Dany picture is priceless.
Held it together until the last one
― tsrobodo, Friday, 11 April 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
goddamn that dude has done A LOT of those thingshttp://specialbored.tumblr.com/
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 April 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
^ jorah menu is best imo
refuse to accept this boring nu daario imposter :/
― r|t|c, Friday, 11 April 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
also agree that kingslayer has lost it :/
littlefinger better be back next ep too, rly missing him
― r|t|c, Friday, 11 April 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
There are at least fifteen characters in this that I would happily kill off immediately if it meant freeing up space for trash talking and machinations courtesy of Vary and Littlefinger.
Looking forward to LF's impending fatherhood issues with the creepy breastfeeding child as well.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 12 April 2014 11:47 (ten years ago) link
Varys, ahem.
There's only been this one new ep, right? Eh, it was OK. Lots of people grouching around, plus requisite gratuitous boobs/blood/dragons.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 April 2014 12:41 (ten years ago) link
You could reduce every episode of any good drama in the same manner.
― Evan, Saturday, 12 April 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
True Detective def could've used some dragons
― Roz, Saturday, 12 April 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
Well, not using those same elements
― Evan, Saturday, 12 April 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
WELL NOW
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:10 (ten years ago) link
And now, True Detective Season 1.5
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
Not enough catharsis!
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 14 April 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link
Like Martin et al was ever going to give you that!
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link
b-b-but surely we deserve an entire hour episode of Joffrey dying painfully while every possible poisoner comes up to him and explains why they might have done it.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 14 April 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link
You know nothing etc.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:43 (ten years ago) link
http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/if-our-media-reported-the-thing-that-just-happened-on-game-o
― balls, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:49 (ten years ago) link
yes i just posted a buzzfeed link
― balls, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:50 (ten years ago) link
well thank god that guy is gone
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 April 2014 03:21 (ten years ago) link
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr06/11/8/enhanced-25411-1397218372-25.jpg
Tyrion went all Harry & the Hendersons on Shae
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 03:22 (ten years ago) link
Man I felt like they might have saved this for a later ep. But having it happen in the 2nd ep is pretty cool and a good f you
― 龜, Monday, 14 April 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
it was getting unrealistic that someone hadnt killed him yet
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 April 2014 03:34 (ten years ago) link
every scene youre just all why wont someone kill him
For real. Actually haven't seen this ep yet but I'm assuming everybody is freaking out over the death of Littlefinger?
― 龜, Monday, 14 April 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 April 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
surprised or see that there's some debate around the internet over over the culprit(s), since it felt to me that it was definitely orchestrated by the tyrells.
― ryan, Monday, 14 April 2014 04:52 (ten years ago) link
it's good for cersei and tywin too hmm hmm
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 14 April 2014 05:31 (ten years ago) link
ya seems like the tyrells wld want an heir first
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 April 2014 05:34 (ten years ago) link
i thought the episode pretty heavily implied the killer but idk ymmv
― Mordy , Monday, 14 April 2014 05:40 (ten years ago) link
The killer was....... all of us
*Everybody lowers their head and reflects*
― 龜, Monday, 14 April 2014 06:09 (ten years ago) link
i consider myself a moral human being but i wouldn't lower my head for being a part of that tbh
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 14 April 2014 06:30 (ten years ago) link
tho really i think i wanted some variation of Chris Rocks' "Daddy" scene in Nurse Betty for Joff's demise.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 14 April 2014 06:31 (ten years ago) link
Haha Bran is like 27 now
― 龜, Monday, 14 April 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link
He's bigger than Hodor
― 龜, Monday, 14 April 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm more happy about Shae now being out of the picture than I am about Joffrey. At least, I hope she's out of the picture.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 14 April 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
because we never see Shae getting on the boat and leaving my expectations during the wedding was Joff bringing her out and flaying her or some such nonsense for the crowd.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 14 April 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
shae's accent is so annoying + she's still the worst actor on the show. i kept thinking i'd get used to her as time went on but last night she was as painful to watch as ever.
― Mordy , Monday, 14 April 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
That was one hell of a bombshell to drop two episodes into a season but I suppose it was also like 3/4 of the way through a book. Proper grisly Jim Robinson type death scene as well.
Also there is no way in hell that Shae got on that boat, or at least left on it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 14 April 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
Considering he can INHABIT THE MINDS OF WOLVES Bran is one hell of a boring character.
― Matt DC, Monday, 14 April 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
faithful to the books on that one
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 April 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I wish there was some momentum there. Worrying they'll just trudge along forever in the snow until he finds another tree to give him more clues.
http://www.mastersofthehunt.com/images-pm/teen-treasure-hunt.jpg
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that storyline is a bummer because it always seems like it's leading in a more promising direction, but his mad dream skillz seem to function more as a deus ex machina. like in last night's episode, they're wandering north in search of...something. suddenly the tree pours angel dust into his throat, he freaks out, wakes up and says he knows where to go now. it's just not satisfying
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
not like he got their with any clear aim (that i can recall) either tho.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:17 (ten years ago) link
It only took me ten minutes at work this morning to accidentally learn who did it. Sheesh.
― polyphonic, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
i was 90% sure right off the bat and a coworker pretty much confirmed it for me today (except for one party being involved i did not expect)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
Why wasn't Littlefinger in the episode?
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
so who's king now
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
i was wondering about that too. i imagine they'll have a courteous and frank discussion early on in the next episode and make an announcement that will anger no one.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
The little brother seems logical? Not like he'll be doing anything with the title.
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
Joffrey has a little brother? man, for all the murdering that goes on on this show there are STILL too many characters
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 April 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
if my charts are accurate, I think it falls to Varys
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 April 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
my guess is Tywin rules until the little lannister comes of age?
― ryan, Monday, 14 April 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
Yeah his little brother was the kid that found himself laughing at the offensive play then realized he was sitting next to Tyrion.
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
Does anyone have to come of age?
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 20:11 (ten years ago) link
I mean Tywin rules from behind the scenes regardless of age so unless there is an age requirement for being King I'd guess it'll be the little bro.
― Evan, Monday, 14 April 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
Tommen will be king, Cersei regent, and Tywin will be the hand and actual most powerful person in King's landing.
― Dust, Monday, 14 April 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
Much as he was anyway.
― Dust, Monday, 14 April 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
shae's accent is so annoying + she's still the worst actor on the show.
Think this might be more down to the character than the actress. Sibel Kekilli was amazing in Gegen die Wand.
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 14 April 2014 20:35 (ten years ago) link
maybe, but she does painfully bad line readings
― Mordy , Monday, 14 April 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
Carice van Houten is amazing too but she's never done much for me as whatsername
― Simon H., Monday, 14 April 2014 20:51 (ten years ago) link
one of the better wedding gigs for sigur ros
enjoyed them cutting from theon's pained face to tyrion sausage feast
and of course
http://24.media.tumblr.com/e007d069ca80a25f4a047e721b046d37/tumblr_n41braofxM1sing4bo3_250.gif
― nashwan, Monday, 14 April 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
Haha, I didn't catch that!
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 April 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
lol I didn't see that either
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 April 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
― Evan, Monday, April 14, 2014 7:50 PM (2 hours ago)
Could be wrong, but I think he's in the Vale sorting out an alliance with Lyssa Arryn.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 14 April 2014 22:43 (ten years ago) link
I loved the first bit of the wedding, it was like watching a game of pool with grandma tyrell setting up a chain reaction among the guests - an antagonistic vibe being passed from person to person which made the events of the second half totally ambiguous. my money was on cersei as the killer, but the more i think about it the less i'm sure. either way, sanza is going to be in deep shinola if she stays or leaves.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 11:36 (ten years ago) link
Cersei?? What made you think that?
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link
Because she's one of the last people who would be suspected; because she hates his wife to be; because she kind of hates him too. There was something about the last scene, I got the feeling she was playing up the grief and pointing the finger 'LOOK WHAT YOU'VE ALL DONE TO YOUR KING' etc. Then again there were a few brief shots of Tywin in there looking a bit sketchy(?)
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link
I get that- though I don't remember the last time they focused on her being conflicted by his shitty behavior.
For the last number of episodes she's been nothing but amused by his antics.
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
One person I watched it with thought Cersei too because of her line about feeding the leftovers to the dogs instead of the poor people, but I don't think that was anything other than her cruelly channeling her evil frustrations.
Re-watching it they *really* hold on Grandma Diana Rigg saying something like "I can't imagine something so horrible as someone dying at a wedding" as she strokes Sansa's hair knowingly...
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 14:41 (ten years ago) link
More like "What kind of monster would kill a man at a wedding?"
HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
she's my second favourite in the offings, have to say.
But I think she's slyer than that. Actively doing anything herself doesn't seem like her style. I think she manipulated it so that someone else poisoned Joffrey. Did we hear or see anyone pick up a poisonous substance earlier in the show?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link
She said this because she hates Margaery
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
Watch Rigg's hands carefully when she's talking to Sansa.
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
this is gonna get dissected at length (and undoubtedly is crazy old news in the books) but did tyrion give blond hitler wine from his own jug? was someone trying to poison tyrion and it backfired?
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
Virtually everyone sitting round that table had more of a motive than Cersei.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
Her main motive would be to concentrate her power on the throne but if she was going to kill him she would probably have done so before he went and got married and therefore put another queen in the way.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
wow all this time and I didn't recognize Diana Rigg wtf
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
i loved that the only ppl who seemed to care about joffrey's death were his biological parents
― Mordy , Tuesday, 15 April 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
sounds like a real whodunit!
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
let's all cool off and get some ice cream
i kept thinking joffrey was going to cleave tyrion in half with his fancy new sword every time he made him kneel/bow whatever
so relieved that the little fucker is dead
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
To be fair she's been wearing a full-on head-tent in every scene she's been in
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
lol head tent
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
I was worried about that too. I think they were intentionally teasing us to think that might happen with all the mentions of the sword in the ep.
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
the sword should have magically flew out of joffrey's hands and beheaded him
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
flown, even
so obv tywin is still in control, the little brother is the technical king, but is margery queen? or is cersei queen-regent still?
i could see a million reasons to kill joffrey for pretty much anyone but it seems like if cersei is queen when joffrey dies, why did they tyrells wait until the marriage was official? or was it even official if they didn't consumate it?
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
unrelated, but I noticed with some amusment that margery's wedding dress was the least booby thing she's worn in the entire show
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
don't want to distract from that perfect snot/blood rivulet draining out of joffrey's head
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
"perfect snot/blood rivulet"... may have to consider a new username
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
that was one of the truly great tv deaths imo
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
is this one of those murder mysteries where i get dinner
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
I don't understand how literally anyone watching this would think Joffrey was killed by one of his own family. Regardless of how evil/insane he is, the fact remains that he's their evil/insane guy and everyone else has to suffer him. Killing him in a safe venue at the height of his power doesn't gain the Lannisters anything. It makes them look vulnerable.
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
Tommen stands to gain, he prob. did it.
― reddening, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
well this blond kid claiming to be tommen is clearly not tommen from the last season, so if he has disposed of and replaced the original tommen, it is not hard to believe he would similarly remove his only obstacle to the throne
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
it's clearly the sigur ros guy
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
lol i am 100% pro changing everything so sigur ros become major characters
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
New Tommen fed original Tommen to his kittens.
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
entire season just jaime chasing after those sneaky icelandic villains
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
When someone shouted "stormbringer" to name the sword, surely that was a Moorcock/Elric reference? I can't recall the other suggested names.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
and we learn the national was killed off-screen
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
Tommen: Have the Rolling Stones killed.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
Matt Berninger's head on a pike next episode, iirc.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
I (of course) lol'd at this too, seemed unusually meta. I did wonder if the other names were from other fantasy series.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
Let's not forget Ned Stark. He had the most motive, and his alibi is a little too perfect.
― jmm, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:27 (ten years ago) link
the other suggestions were Terminus (from The Book of the New Sun), Wolfsbane (which I assume is just a Stark reference), and there's another one that shouted over which I can't quite hear
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
I think reading the books before watching the show is probably not the best way to appreciate the show.
― calstars, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Martin is some kind of master of pulling off contradictory feelings in his readers of "nothing is happening / everything is happening."
― calstars, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
He settled on "Widow's Wail", didn't he? Something like that anyway.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
choked on pigeon's pie? murder most fowl ; )
― am0n, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
When someone shouted "stormbringer" to name the sword, surely that was a Moorcock/Elric reference? I can't recall the other suggested names. --Robert Adam Gilmour
GRRM wrote this ep so my money's on yes
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
He settled on "Widow's Wail", didn't he?
And then the episode ended with one
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 19:29 (ten years ago) link
http://junkee.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/JoffreyClap.gif
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
Terminus might be the coolest name for a sword I've ever heard. I assume those references weren't in the book. I'm generally not fond of fannish references but somehow I didn't mind it in the show.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:18 (ten years ago) link
It's "Terminus Est" to be precise
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link
they have latin in Westeros?
I hate this show sometimes
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:26 (ten years ago) link
I mean, the season thing makes no sense fr instance
oh wait you were referring to Wolfe. dude's a whole different ballgame from Martin imho
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link
yeah I guess in the Game of Thrones universe it's just some drunk guy screaming gobbledygook
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
sigur ros are white walkers iirc
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
white wankers more like
― balls, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
my greatsword U DAED
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
I call mine STABBY
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
They speak English, which is influenced by latin
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
anyhow as someone who knows whodunit i thought they did a good job of being honest enough about who actually dunit while at the same time providing plenty of red herrings
― balls, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its magical fwiw
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 00:46 (ten years ago) link
Latin is also magical fwiw
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 00:51 (ten years ago) link
otmious
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 00:53 (ten years ago) link
it's magical! "fwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiw"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link
also these fuckn dragons amirite? i mean COME ON
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:11 (ten years ago) link
You can do some hand wavey stuff about dragons and magic and I wont mind too much. When u posit that a world with irregular seasons would still have regular plants and animals as we know them I think you're just being stupid. Maybe this is handled more explicitly in the books or something.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
Shakey Mo Collier Draws Line In Sand
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link
i'll permit this much magic but not a drop more
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
For all we know in the "real" version of the world that the show portrays everyone is a ten foot tall amoeboid creature that speaks in hormones, but it's all translated back into a understandable form to us.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, shouldn't have spoiled the ending of book seven like that.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:35 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I hated it.
Guh, I interpreted that as "Widow's Whale," and I've bloody read the books.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 04:59 (ten years ago) link
Widow's whale tail
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 05:08 (ten years ago) link
I think what is mostly bothering me about the irregular seasons is that everyone knows that winter is coming, and yet they are all using their resources on these bullshit wars. So the populace should have realized they will all probably starve to death, and should be in an uproar, but they're all so passive.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:17 (ten years ago) link
I think only the old heads remember what the last winter is like
It's like as far away as WWII
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:22 (ten years ago) link
so totally unrealistic that the nation would waste its time + resources on bullshit wars instead of imminent climate disaster
― Mordy , Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:25 (ten years ago) link
Nothing like a good bullshit war to keep populations passive.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:25 (ten years ago) link
Maybe the root material cause for the war was the failure of the houses to adequately prepare for averting starvation during the long winter, forcing them to shift at the last minute into pillage mode, also to try to grab what they could of Westeros's temperate regions.
― jmm, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:41 (ten years ago) link
So the Stark House's motto is 'Winter Is Coming', which is a pretty sensible, albeit glass-half-empty slogan. Do they change it during winter to 'Summer Is Coming'?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
Winter Was Coming
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:09 (ten years ago) link
"Winter Came"
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
New slogan: everyone gets $600 back on their taxes
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
― schwantz, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
everyone knows that winter is coming, and yet they are all using their resources on these bullshit wars. So the populace should have realized they will all probably starve to death, and should be in an uproar, but they're all so passive.
imagine!
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
oh mordy did already carry on
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
you have to remember that there is a well-funded group that has a financial interest in suggesting that Winter is NOT coming, reminding everyone that Winter has come and gone in cycles for hundreds of millions of years, that the citizens of Westeros have nothing to do with it and should not worry about it at all.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
Lannisters == Kochs? (Pity that the Kraken sigil belongs to the Greyjoys.)
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't there something like the old age of magic caused the seasonal irregularities?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I was under the impression that the winter isn't as bad in all parts of Westeros. Dorn stays warm all the time right?
― mizzell, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
"the florida of westeros"
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
In the 1970s National Geographic used to run articles about how Summer was coming
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
I imagine Dorne is like Southern Italy climate wise, ie gets a bit cold and grey but not really.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
http://theconversation.com/game-of-thrones-why-hasnt-westeros-had-an-industrial-revolution-25240
― nashwan, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
^^This kind of thing often bugs me about fantasy societies that seem to stay in technological stasis for 1000+ years.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
Who will be the Marx of Westeros?
― 龜, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
dragons, germs, and steel
― ryan, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:37 (ten years ago) link
Valyrian steel!
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
One of the Brotherhood Without Banners? Thoros, probably?
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link
This kind of thing often bugs me about fantasy societies that seem to stay in technological stasis for 1000+ years.
i know for sure that there are people around here who know a ton about this topic, but isn't that kinda the M.O. of the fantasy genre? as in: magic replaces or forestalls the industrial revolution indefinitely. or else the narrative seems driven by the end of the "era of magic" as a coming magic-less modernity replaces it. no idea whether/how GOT even fits into that, however.
― ryan, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:47 (ten years ago) link
Feel like the Maesters also have a monopoly on all technical knowledge and are probably not shy about maintaining it?
― 龜, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:54 (ten years ago) link
Despite being magical in nature, the Wall is the site of some interesting technology -- I'm thinking mostly of the elevator -- and is beyond the Citadel's influence.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:59 (ten years ago) link
The Eyrie also has an elevator type contraption
― 龜, Thursday, 17 April 2014 01:03 (ten years ago) link
i know for sure that there are people around here who know a ton about this topic, but isn't that kinda the M.O. of the fantasy genre?
That or it backtracks. Tolkien never delves too deeply into this -- I suspect it wasn't an area that he wanted to think over too much! -- but there's always a sense of heights long distant that have been lost. Essentially an oversimplified view of technological collapse after the Roman Empire leading into the 'Dark Ages,' so there's at most a tenuous maintaining of what's still around. (One thing that still impresses me a bit about LOTR is that it's a fairly empty landscape, strewn with ruins and the past.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 April 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
I guess Industrial Revolution fantasy is stuff like Steampunk or maybe something like Alasdair Gray's Lanark.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 08:17 (ten years ago) link
robot dragons by season 6 or gtfoimo
― nashwan, Thursday, 17 April 2014 08:44 (ten years ago) link
saruman is an industrialist & middle earth is a prelapsarian rural paradise of staffordshire lads who like to wander down country lanes singing songs about trees. imo it's too pre-industrial, it doesn't have the feel george lucas spoke about of a "used universe", but the language felt real & lived in. I suspect a fantasy writer who was really into economic history wld not be especially popular, but I feel like it cld be a noble endeavour
― ogmor, Thursday, 17 April 2014 09:35 (ten years ago) link
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin)
China Mieville's Bas Lag novels also.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 17 April 2014 10:39 (ten years ago) link
howl's moving castle too?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 10:48 (ten years ago) link
I really want a fantasy novel by someone into economic history. We could call it 'hard fantasy'. Something about the discovery of new trading routes leading to a decline in the citystates formerly with a monopoly on the trade of Varisian Pepper. Leading to a scramble for new conquests among the bordering powers.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 17 April 2014 10:54 (ten years ago) link
Weren't the Star Wars prequels based on trade wars and sanctions?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:00 (ten years ago) link
wldnt a fantasy writer into economic history just be a scifi writer
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:27 (ten years ago) link
Frank Herbert
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:32 (ten years ago) link
Frederik, try this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkness_Series
― Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:34 (ten years ago) link
That article lost me the moment the author handwaved the long winters. Long winters that use up most of the resources collected during the preceding summer are exactly the kind of thing that prevent investing in new technology. They have no good way of knowing when winter ends and when their next harvest will be, their focus is going to be on survival.
― gyac, Thursday, 17 April 2014 12:13 (ten years ago) link
― am0n, Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:58 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 April 2014 13:52 (ten years ago) link
re: Econ Fantasy:
The Neal Stephenson Baroque Cycle is kind of what you mean, but more historical fiction than fantasy...
― schwantz, Thursday, 17 April 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/w91PEsP.jpg
― 龜, Friday, 18 April 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
so embarrassing when you're doing a marketing presentation and you've accidentally included a slide from your grotesque death scene
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 18 April 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 April 2014 05:50 (ten years ago) link
"Really funny guys, but can we please get back to these Q3 numbers now?"
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 April 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
I really want a fantasy novel by someone into economic history.
As a relative of an economist who has written exhaustive family histories almost entirely from an economic history viewpoint, no you do not. There is dry, there is bone dry, there is desert, and then there is economic history in narrative form.
As a companion piece or an appendix to which the main narrative refers, sure. That would TOTALLY flesh things out. But you do not want an economist telling you bed time stories.
― Survivalist Compound Row (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
― schwantz, Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:14 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
p much every NS book has some kind of econ nerdery in it, the dude is hella into that stuff
― gbx, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
I just want ASOIAF without dragons and undead and that kind of thing. It would be just as compelling without it. (yeah, I know, check out my original and important opinions, but still)
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
can't agree with this. the whole point is that magic and the supernatural are slowly but surely seeping back into an unsuspecting world.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
I do agree with dowd, because for me ASOIAF was about the political integration of the world and the way actions rippled out.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
to clarify I thought it'd be interesting to see someone who'd created a world from the bottom up so that it felt plausible, I don't want a novel written like a geography textbook
― ogmor, Friday, 18 April 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link
itt WOLF HALL the book by hilary mantel and the upcoming hbo/bbc miniseries based on the same
― lag∞n, Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link
Feel like the economics (ok, not how it works in regards to agriculture feeding the cities other than the Martell's lording it over everyone) but it feels like the Lannisters being in debt is burbling under the surface. Is the Iron Bank a real thing or just a metaphor for war costs?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 April 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link
it is a real thing
― it's a trilby (Clay), Saturday, 19 April 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
Where does Bronn keep all his gold??? Hmmm
― 龜, Saturday, 19 April 2014 03:35 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/QxTJcmG.gif
http://i.imgur.com/5j9yElT.gif
― 龜, Saturday, 19 April 2014 03:37 (ten years ago) link
Wow, i had to look at that for a full minute to carch that
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 April 2014 03:55 (ten years ago) link
Carch carch carch
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 April 2014 03:56 (ten years ago) link
haha, i was all staring at dude's belt looking for clues to murder
― gbx, Saturday, 19 April 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
someone explain it to me like I'm five
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 April 2014 06:01 (ten years ago) link
oh wait nvm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 April 2014 06:02 (ten years ago) link
pls explain
― "got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:17 (ten years ago) link
Jaime got a new hand in the 1st ep
― 龜, Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:23 (ten years ago) link
Oh, lol, forgot about that. Man, he's exploiting that on set, huh?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 19 April 2014 10:36 (ten years ago) link
yall acting like takeout coffee isnt a commentary on the unsustainability of late capitalism and the death if magic smh
― lag∞n, Saturday, 19 April 2014 13:12 (ten years ago) link
Cheap coffee at royal wedding just showing the financial strains the war has put on the Lannisters
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 April 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
wasn't he the only person not in costume for that magazine cover a while back? maybe that's his thing now
― gbx, Saturday, 19 April 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
don't worry, cameron diaz and kate upton will straighten him out
― balls, Saturday, 19 April 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
That's an outtake from a promo shot of the Purple Wedding, in the broadcast shot he's wearing 30+ lbs of plate armor.
― Congratulations! And my condolences. (Sanpaku), Saturday, 19 April 2014 22:22 (ten years ago) link
set up ep zzz
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 April 2014 05:01 (ten years ago) link
final scene was kinda cool
Whoa man how were you double dipping
― 龜, Monday, 21 April 2014 05:03 (ten years ago) link
hah i watched it at halftime / part of 3rd quarter
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 April 2014 05:04 (ten years ago) link
setting up some awesome-seeming shit tho.
Good to know that the Iron Bank is actually a real thing in Bravos and not just a metaphor. Been setting up that for a while.
Also Jamie wau. :(
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 12:32 (ten years ago) link
Apparently the rapey aspect was not faithful to the book.
― Evan, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
I didn't remember it at all.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link
so it was just more HBO skin dropping for no reason? that shit is starting to make hbo shows hard to watch.
― building a desert (art), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link
Well, to be fair, I don't think the "point" of that scene was to be titilating, as much as uncomfortable and creepy as hell. Not sure why the hell they added it, maybe just trying to amplify in a short period the awkwardness that developed between Cersei and Jamie since he came back?
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
they should just rename this show MURDERBOOBS imo
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
very awkward time for Cersei to get pregnant imo
will it force her to marry gaybro?
(also: I loved their tart exchange at the wedding- "you'll never marry her" / "neither will you"- that was some lolgay SASS right there)
― the tune was space, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
I was thinking that Kingslayer raping his sister next to the dead body of their incestuous child was probably the most lurid thing I've ever seen on TV and it clearly wasn't even a major plot point.
― Matt DC, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
Glad Davos is back though, he's a dude.
"a celebration of life in the midst of death" said no one, ever
― the tune was space, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
Kingslayer raping his sister next to the dead body of their incestuous child
tbf this sounds like a perfectly normal thing to expect from medievel royals
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
I liked Obreon of Dorn(sp?)'s mid-orgy agitprop stump speeches in favor of bisexuality
― the tune was space, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
Cool map action
http://quartermaester.info/
― polyphonic, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
^ lol, i was thinking about sharing that but figured it had already surfaced here. super helpful!
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 21 April 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
I hope Podrick does his sex magic on Oberyn's paramour while the latter watches with increasing annoyance.
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
Do they ever explain why wildlings don't just travel around the wall by boat?
― Evan, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
it would get them too close to water and spoil their fundamental dirtiness
― Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm not sure if it was fully ever explained, but besides Castle Black there are old fortresses at the "ends" of the walls at the sea that would supposedly deter such attacks.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Also where does Dany stash the now massive and unruly dragons upon arrival at each city?
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
so glad there's a pretty lil white women to liberate all the brown people
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
it's ok - she is their mother
― Karl Malone, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
They've crossed a line for a lot of people with the Cersei/Jaime rape even in a show where its spectre is so prevalent (amplified further with the Sam/Gilly scenes). Were they intending it to open up a debate of some sort? Much easier to see the online backlash than the story's gain right now.
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
lol waht
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
I mean are people actually morally outraged at a show about murder + incest + rape + pretty much every imaginable horrible thing
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
I guess they haven't covered bestiality yet
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
truly, what possible line could it have crossed if you've watched the show up to now.
― ryan, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's totally the time to handwave the massive amounts of unnecessary sexual (and sexualised) violence in the show because ~it's HBO~.
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
the line of ppl of really liked jaime's character before this and are feeling disappointed. it's one thing to try and kill a child...
― Mordy , Monday, 21 April 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
*waves hand*
― ryan, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
Also, Littlefinger's accent is just trolling us now. What was wrong with his s1 voice?!
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
I'm not handwaving - this show is really obviously exploitative, often in a remarkably silly and shallow way - I just don't see how this episode contained anything qualitatively worse than any of the other episodes
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
the line of ppl of really liked jaime's character before this and are feeling disappointed
oh is that it? he's too pretty to be bad? lol
Because it's massively out of character and adds literally nothing to the point people wonder what was the point of including it. I seriously doubt they're going anywhere interesting with this.http://www.avclub.com/article/rape-thrones-203499
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. “I am not whole without you.”
There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. “No,” she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, “not here. The septons…”
“The Others can take the septons.” He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mother’s altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart. One hand slid up her thigh and underneath her smallclothes. When he tore them away, he saw that her moon’s blood was on her, but it made no difference.
“Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.
can I just lol this is terrible writing
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
Exactly. Plus this instance of sexual violence isn't even in the book! They actually went out of their way to insert it into a scene from the book that is already pretty messed up. That's what's rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
X-post
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
this seems like the took something present in the text and slightly tweaked it to make Jaime's anger at her previous rejection more central to the act. didn't seem out of character to me, made sense given all the indignities Jaime's been subjected to since his return, and makes sense that he would take it out on Cersei. as for whether or not they're "going anywhere" nothing on this show goes anywhere, that seems pretty immaterial
um it's right there in the paragraphs I posted, her saying no, beating on his chest etc.?
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
first she says no, but then she says yes, so it's not rape! classic
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
difference in portrayal is that Cersei "helped guide him" and appears to have some enthusiasm about it as opposed to the scene in the show which is pretty vicious with all the "I don't care, I don't care" and the weird awful punishment feel to it all.
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
Also his line about her being "so hateful" beforehand (is this in book idk?) gave it extra menace. It just jars with his character's trajectory.
Meanwhile Ygritte killed some innocents boooo
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
yeah jamie's been on a "redemption arc" since leaving king's landing and has reconnected some with knightly ideas of chivalry and honor via brienne (he loses his hand saving her from a rape ffs, not long after saying if he were a woman he'd rather die than experience rape) the "why do i love a woman so hateful" line is jamie blaming the stuff he doesn't like in himself, his own self-loathing, on cersei's mere presence and the rape becomes a punishment for that. that's not exactly in the text where he's mostly just overcome with a lust that she shortly shares. it way way way out of character.
― it's a trilby (Clay), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
Could it be to make Cersei seem more sympathetic as far as screwing on the table your son's body is lying on goes?
― nickn, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
also loled at Daario stepping up to fight the champion of Meereen after Barristan, Grey Worm & Jorah got turned down for being too valuable. "If you die, we'll just cast another one" - other half.
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
That might be what's intended to some degree but what comes across more is the viciousness of the act itself and the feeling of betrayal after building up the audience's good will toward Jaime. Unless the show runners intend to do something vastly different with Jaime's character arc It's a shockingly boneheaded miscalculation.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
x-post again
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:02 (ten years ago) link
Well maybe not so shockingly, as there have been plenty of baffling adaption choices on this show (as well as some really good ones to be fair).
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
Lol, yeah, this new twist on the accent was driving me crazy.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
"smallclothes" lolEvery so often I think I want to read the books but I know I couldn't stand it
― kinder, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
Fwiw, it's really only the sex stuff that is so terrible. iirc, the Theon and his sister stuff was also pretty cringe-worthy in the books. The rest of the writing isn't nearly that awful.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:16 (ten years ago) link
Man who worked in Hollywood for years unable to write about sex well.
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:29 (ten years ago) link
The food scenes however
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:30 (ten years ago) link
they did this w/ dany and khal also. hbo.
― balls, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
I think it might be a miscalculation (opposing, sort of, AV Club review mentions that the scene in the book is from Jamie's POV and so Cersei deciding against it is probably slanted), but I don't think it's awful exploitation re: what HBO normally does.
In the books it was the first time they saw each other since he had left, right? Here they've added him there earlier and pointedly made her distant with him.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
feel like the dany/khal scene in the book weakened Dany's character and stretched credulity tbh
re:the rape scene,the whole thing has been made worse by the episode's director coming out and stating that he does not see it/it was not intended as as a rape scene. which...oooooof.
― Simon H., Monday, 21 April 2014 22:52 (ten years ago) link
^ wow. where did the director say that?
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
you might be right, my mind might be skipping to where she shows him how he needs to be fucking her
― balls, Monday, 21 April 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
― Simon H., Monday, April 21, 2014 10:52 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark
In fairness, the writer (Benioff, I think) saw it as a horrific scene
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
http://m.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-breaker-of-chains-uncle-deadly
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/20/game-of-thrones-most-wtf-sex-scene-nikolaj-coster-waldau-on-jaime-lannister-s-darkest-hour.html
I think it's clear they don't know what the hell they're doing
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 23:25 (ten years ago) link
in terms of "how is this brutal violence any different from whatever they've done before," i've just finally reached my breaking point in being able to stand it. i found it increasingly difficult to stomach season 3 with the constant groping of casually nude women by fully clothed men, all the rape jokes, etc. it feels like every time we see a poor peasant woman in a house somewhere and Men Arrive, you can bet they're going to manhandle her while she tearfully struggles. i can see why people think the book version of the scene in the sept was problematic because it reduced an intrinsically coercive act to "he ravished her but ultimately she liked it," but i would rather be having THAT conversation about nuance and gray areas and cersei's negotiation of agency within that coercive situation. instead it's just more unbridled violence against women in a show that already seemed oversaturated with it.
― reddening, Monday, 21 April 2014 23:52 (ten years ago) link
it can be tough
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 23:57 (ten years ago) link
Interesting to see how fans react though. Rosenberg isn't one to let these things by normally, but she's a big fan: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2014/04/21/what-the-rape-scene-on-last-nights-game-of-thrones-means-for-the-show/
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
show features a lot of sexual violence against women so every instance of rape is inherently meaningless and should go unremarked upon
or idk show features a lot of sexual violence against women so it's fucking ridiculous that they'd go out of their way to add more for even more cheap lazy story drama
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
except yeah maybe the creepiest thing is what the director thinks consensual looks lke
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link
A more detailed account from the director fwiw: http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/game-of-thrones-director-on-the-rape-sex-scene.html
― nashwan, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
It’s my cut of the scene. The consensual part of it was that she wraps her legs around him, and she’s holding on to the table, clearly not to escape but to get some grounding in what’s going on. And also, the other thing that I think is clear before they hit the ground is she starts to make out with him. The big things to us that were so important, and that hopefully were not missed, is that before he rips her undergarment, she’s way into kissing him back. She’s kissing him aplenty.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:56 (ten years ago) link
so is littlefinger's changing accent meant to reflect his shapeshifty personality
― gbx, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:59 (ten years ago) link
Kinda surprised how people are so disturbed by so many things in the show yet Theon being mutilated, dehumanized and spiritually crushed in the most profound way gets little mention. He did kill two innocent children but I'd say he gets the worst time of anybody.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:28 (ten years ago) link
Alfie Allen tbf
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
most disturbing thing in this so far has been seeing someone my gf went to school w/ getting butchered
― ogmor, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:35 (ten years ago) link
Nobody cares about theon cuz he's a shitty character
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link
"tbf"? I'm terrible at figuring out abbreviations. It taken me months to figure out "otm" and I keep coming across more ones I don't get.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:43 (ten years ago) link
I feel really sorry for him.
Anonymous characters get more concern than him?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:45 (ten years ago) link
Also the kind of full body mutilation that theon undergoes isn't a thing that still regularly happens in developed western countries
― 龜, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link
_they did this w/ dany and khal also. hbo._No, in the book it specifically says that he rapes her constantly after their first time together to the point she wants to die. --gyac
No, in the book it specifically says that he rapes her constantly after their first time together to the point she wants to die. --gyac
If you're talking about daenerys, in the book their first time occurs after she requests not to have sex, then drogo rubs on her (sensually), and then the implication is that she's "into it" and they're good to go. which is pretty absurd and gross (she's 12-13 for one thing).
― building a desert (art), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:48 (ten years ago) link
But then I adore lovelovelove Peter in Mad Men and a lot of people hate him.
I sometimes think Marnie from girls is more evil than Joffrey and hope for a gruesome bloodletting death scene (joking but I do dislike her a lot).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:50 (ten years ago) link
jaime and cersei having sex next to their dead son is disturbing and that's not what people are complaining about. no one's being like "oh my stars a rape scene in game of thrones won't somebody think of the children" lusty depictions of violent rape are normalized not surprising in any way + appear all the time in media for stupid or irrelevant reasons like in this episode
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:51 (ten years ago) link
I need to master this spell correct crap, I meant "bloodcurdling"
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link
Feel like it's too soon to say "irrelevant reasons" considering the way this show operates
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah i just can't wait to see where this develops
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/game-of-thrones/10679012/Game-of-Thrones-star-Sophie-Turner-films-rape-scene-in-front-of-parents.html
Spoiler?
― Evan, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 03:01 (ten years ago) link
handwringing over this ep is hilarious
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 03:06 (ten years ago) link
Stop enabling fictional rape with your amused indifference
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 03:23 (ten years ago) link
that's...a pretty shitty stance to take towards people talking about media depiction of rape? like i understand that my tendency to have a stereotypically Humorless Feminist response to this isn't going to be shared by everyone, but maybe you could meet me halfway and not belittle my reaction by calling it handwringing?
― reddening, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 04:31 (ten years ago) link
I don't think he was belittling anyone specifically? There has been more than one person ITT criticizing the show, what makes you think he was singling you out?
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 04:51 (ten years ago) link
i know he's not singling me out, but i'm a participant in this collective "handwringing" and i think it's a shitty way to categorize a discussion about the depiction of rape.
― reddening, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 05:04 (ten years ago) link
Fair enough!
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 05:06 (ten years ago) link
the comment of mine you replied to specifically says "after their first time". that aside, I don't have any problem with the point you raised wrt her age & ability to consent in the text (also the fact she was literally sold to him).
So do I, and I hated his rape/castration scene and then all the subsequent jokes made about it (lol genital mutilation) but some people just can't get enough of those...
― gyac, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 09:07 (ten years ago) link
Thought the Theon/Ramsay scene was one of the best in episode 1 and that Ramsay is working out in ways he really shouldn't have.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 09:16 (ten years ago) link
Ramsay was really great in the dungeon scenes; felt like it overstepped into ham territory with his father though
― 龜, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 09:34 (ten years ago) link
littlefinger cracking me up so much after two lines i've had to pause it
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
Can we call him Long John Littlefinger now since he fancies himself a pirate
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
I'm with reddening. The bad taste in my mouth wrt this show has become too bitter to ignore.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link
I feel like a bad person for not really feeling in any way remotely upset, annoyed or offended by any of the scenes in this show.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
The notorious Buffy/Spike attempted rape in Season 6 is my personal line in the sand for this kind of stuff, and while I don't feel as strongly about this particular instance as I did about that, it still feels gross and unnecessary and has now taken me out of the show even more than the crazy amounts of boobage and whatever else
now granted I'm a hypocrite because I know I'll still watch the show...I kept watching buffy after that too...but now I'm just kinda along for the ride and consciously not invested in any kind of escapism that the show offered me before now. like, I have their number, I know there's an angle now, and it'll be a lot easier for me to dip out if I do eventually lose interest
maybe that's not a very good explanation but
yeah, so that's me
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:00 (ten years ago) link
i can certainly sympathize with anyone offended by the show in general--it's basically packed with cravenly gratuitous violence and sex. we all draw that line where we will. but for me it's so pulpy and basically absurd that i can only be amused at it. it doesn't even really approach anything genuinely transgressive, in either a positive or negative sense.
wish they'd divert a little bit of the t&a budget to find a way to film a genuinely exciting action scene.
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:19 (ten years ago) link
yeah. the big showdown with nu-Dany hunk guy was basically the opening of Troy. but it was also fairly well done and i like Troy so
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:22 (ten years ago) link
It was better! I did like that scene.
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link
xxp:
Besides Daenarys and the surviving Starks, most characters have been presented as repugnant in some way. So none of their actions should be taken as an endorsement.
I suspect a depiction like GRRMs, and which the director failed to achieve (non-consensual advances that suddenly become consensual) would paint the screenwriter/showrunner in a worse light.
There's still a number of female characters with way more agency than their male counterparts, even if only a couple get to swing swords on the regular.
As for the token nudity, the show could stand more sexual equality. Perhaps we'll see Olenna Redwyne's nubile houseboys (guessing here, haven't read) ahould the show visit Highgarden.
― Congratulations! And my condolences. (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:34 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think the dude who plays him is pretty lame, for one, he looks like every other dude around his age on the show, like exactly, and for two, yeah, ham city
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:31 (ten years ago) link
Ham City. Porktown. The Big Oinker. We all had names for the place. But what went down there was no side of bacon.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
Michael McElhatton is great as Roose, though, so that helps.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:47 (ten years ago) link
Yeah he has the perfect voice
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:50 (ten years ago) link
totally. ramsay should be more roosey.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link
also this tweet is otm https://twitter.com/nicole_cliffe/status/458042660993789953
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Well, it's well-established that he's a bit of a doppleganger for Ted Leo
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
well-established in all the best circles
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
I don't mind Ramsay but at the same time roose has such a sinister creepy terence stamp thing going that he feels a bit lightweight in comparison.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
The book definitely characterizes the Boltons/Bolton-Snows that way.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
Littlefinger's accent has definitely become more ridiculous this season, right?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
Littlefinger was using the same tone of voice he used to deliver his "chaos is a ladder" speech - which may have been the last we saw of his character at the end of last season?
I remain unmoved by the 'rape' scene. It was grim, but in this show it didn't strike me as being something that stood out of place, particularly.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
It seems even thicker than at the end of last season though.vIt's kind of puzzling that in the course of shooting his scenes no one is like "TIME OUT dude why are you talking like that?"
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
i enjoy the weird accent. the show has made him much more of a pantomime villain and i am fully behind the theatre of it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
Inbetween last season and this, we watched the Wire, which has made Littlefinger all the more puzzling.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
Gillen is not a good actor. He just about got away with it in The Wire but he's been terrible (and bizarrely-accented) in everything he's done since then
― Number None, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
i thought he was great in the wire!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, his accent, and acting in the Wire were both weird. I had no idea he was in it until the episode he appeared.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
he was great in Queer as Folk (which was obviously forever ago, but still)
― gyac, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
I thought he was quite good in that Statham/Considine flick (the name of which escapes me). Ropey accent aside I think he's a very good Littlefinger.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I think he's a great fit for Littlefinger. Just wish he could pick one accent.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
lol I hated this guy and his chicken-faced g/f in the Wire, he's only slightly less irritating here. such a silly actor.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
his silliness as littlefinger is kinda perfect for the role tbh. also you better not be talking abt my girl brandy burre.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
his chicken-faced g/f in the Wire
If you are referring to D'Agostino then we should have words, outside.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
Brandy Burre in a blonde wig:http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/UbyKywWvlCE/maxresdefault.jpg
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:51 (ten years ago) link
shakey you really love to make fun of the way women look
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
I can make fun of you too if you like
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
in my defense I reserve it for people on TV who are asking to be looked at
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
http://www.joshhanson.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/youaskedforit.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
tbf s1ocki it's only a select few he fantasizes torturing
― balls, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
thx ethan
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
anytime morbs
― balls, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 21:12 (ten years ago) link
Loved Gillen in Treacle Jr. He played a sweet, delusional outsider who may have a mental condition. Quite sad and funny film.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link
does ilx have an ignore feature yet so i can opt to never see another shakey mo collier post again? thanks, mods
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 22:34 (ten years ago) link
I feel like Dinklage's accent is a bit shaky too but he's just so charismatic that it's extremely easy to forgive. I feel similar about Gillen.
Doesn't Littlefinger travel a lot? Could that be an excuse for a wonky accent? Probably not. Some people pick up little bits of other accents very quickly and other people keep their original accent for decades in another country, I wonder how that works?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 22:49 (ten years ago) link
The Baelish family came from Braavos. Arya's tutor was from Braavos and had an accent. Maybe Petyr's weird accent is a shorthand way of getting into how he changed his family sigil and disavowed his Eastern roots.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
Serious RetConning going on ITT...
― schwantz, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
What are some nonspoilery examples of said retconning
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
I just mean trying to come up with a "reason" for Littlefinger's new accent. Seems more like dude just switched accents...
― schwantz, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:13 (ten years ago) link
LF has no personal connection to braavos tho, his family has been in Westeros for at least a couple generations and he was mostly raised at Riverrun so if anything he should sound like Catelyn.
― @drakecatwatch (Clay), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:19 (ten years ago) link
jeez shakey
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:01 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:26 (ten years ago) link
in the books i always pictured stannis as henry rollins― humba (NZA), Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:22 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark
― humba (NZA), Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:22 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark
― 龜, Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:29 (ten years ago) link
stannis wouldn't fuck around in a band, he's too dour, more plausibly a former championship centre back
― ogmor, Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
Ha well I suppose there was already an ex punk on the show (rip wilko)
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:50 (ten years ago) link
stannis is more like
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/wenn5233486.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:52 (ten years ago) link
hahahahahaha low blow man.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:52 (ten years ago) link
davos is kind of like
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_404h/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/10/24/Style/Images/fahey.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:53 (ten years ago) link
Well that explains his antipathy towards pirates and smugglers xxp
― 龜, Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/RkxjlGW.gif
― Dan I., Saturday, 26 April 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link
Oh come on, I thought this was the spoiler-free thread! Thanks a lot, fun-killer.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 26 April 2014 12:57 (ten years ago) link
Baelish is gonna ruin everything for Sansa.. again.
― Dreamland, Sunday, 27 April 2014 07:51 (ten years ago) link
http://youtu.be/rog8ou-ZepE
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 28 April 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link
tight ep
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:06 (ten years ago) link
Feel like an uber-nerd when I see a "written for television" credit for Bryan Cogman because I just *know* there's gonna be some mythology shit.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:07 (ten years ago) link
That ending ruled.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:12 (ten years ago) link
hell yesssssbaby + whitewalker I caught myself thinking, oh well maybe they're nice to the babbies and they don't mess them up and they're just weird zombies who legit like babbies hmm oh wait yea no
brianne getting the sword & armor & podric was v exciting
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link
Only thing I rolled my eyes at this ep was the stuff with bran & co. Like I get it, bran's story is pretty dull (at least until he gets to...a certain place) but I'm not crazy about this little detour.
It is kinda fun as a book reader not knowing exactly how things are gonna play out!
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:22 (ten years ago) link
For us non-book readers, here's an AV Club list of 15 changes from the novels to the series that isn't spoilery: http://www.avclub.com/article/well-actually-books-15-differences-text-tv-game-th-203713
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:24 (ten years ago) link
This episode was mildly frustrating to me. Why they ever wanted to go north of the wall I don't get. Jon isn't fucking there! And yes that story is kinda snoresville. I have't read the books but I know how some stuff plays out this season.
The Jaime/Brianne scenes were pretty rad though.
― Dreamland, Monday, 28 April 2014 05:30 (ten years ago) link
spoiler
― polyphonic, Monday, 28 April 2014 05:36 (ten years ago) link
oh come on that's not a spoiler
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:46 (ten years ago) link
yah bran's little dream said as much
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 28 April 2014 05:59 (ten years ago) link
His dream said this is a detour?
― polyphonic, Monday, 28 April 2014 06:03 (ten years ago) link
yeah but it said he had to get to some place for some reason so
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 28 April 2014 06:12 (ten years ago) link
Didn't Bran learn the last time he was threatened to be made a hostage?? And there's no Theon to save him this time.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 28 April 2014 06:17 (ten years ago) link
"Braaaan...Braaaaaan...go north....spoiler alllerrrttt"
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 28 April 2014 06:17 (ten years ago) link
enouuuuuuuugh with the north-going already ugh
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 April 2014 06:19 (ten years ago) link
Dat Margaery tho
Wish she'd sneak into my room
― Dreamland, Monday, 28 April 2014 07:06 (ten years ago) link
Braaaaan....now go back South....
― Karl Malone, Monday, 28 April 2014 12:00 (ten years ago) link
braaaan braaan braaaaaan... whatre u doin
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 13:25 (ten years ago) link
Braaaan....I dare you to- I mean, the ancient Gods COMMAND you to- occupy a small animal and jump off a cliff, and then just before you hit the bottom switch into a nearby bird and soar away, and then bring us some small nuts and berries to feast on...Braaaaaan
― Karl Malone, Monday, 28 April 2014 13:32 (ten years ago) link
it is when you were wondering if Locke was going to go north with Jon and murder Bran.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 April 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link
Haven't seem the latest yet, though I think part of my question gets answered, but what the hell have the snow zombies been up to? We have all these dudes and wildlings and other folks zipping around up north, so the zombies should have made some real headway by now, given they don't eat or sleep. They just lumbering somewhere?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 April 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
they are very, very slow. they stop every 40 feet to level up their treechopping abilities and play fishing mini-games
― Karl Malone, Monday, 28 April 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
they're waiting for winter
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 28 April 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link
im ready for some new castles in the opening, ready to visit new lands
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link
don't worry! image leak from next week's episode:
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/candy-land.jpg
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 28 April 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
praise the gods new and old
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
i see they changed the name of castle terror from the books. i guess this makes more sense.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 28 April 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
Gorgeous looking episode, from Mireen to the spooky snow fortress.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 28 April 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
I wish the white walkers eyes didnt glow
― 龜, Monday, 28 April 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
a bit scary huh
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 28 April 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
*shivers*
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
man this was boring
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
It really wasn't.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
Yes it was.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
no it wasn't
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
whoever commented on the lack of epic scenes upthread was otm -- I lamented the skipping-over of the meereen slave uprising almost immediately after the scene changed... we only saw one master get shanked! wtf
― dan m, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
yeah but then we saw a shit-ton of them get nailed to signposts, which was pretty gnarly
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
true
― dan m, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link
so much fun stuff happened this episode
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
it did feel like another set up ep to me, but you need those too, and there was some cool stuff in it
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
whats up w baelish revealing his ways to sansa, that was some straight bond villain shit
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
learn to enjoy the setup the same way you enjoy the rollercoaster creeping up to the top of the hill
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
yeah i know but still
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link
life can't all be payoffs, youd stop enjoying them
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
No reason to have an entire episode of setup for every story, followed by a peak for every story, then setups, on and on. It's plagued the series since the beginning; give a payoff to one or two of the many story lines each week while setting up the others. It's really not hard.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
This may be extremely petty, but:
- Did this white walker feed the baby and keep it warm during their trek to the white walker lair? OR...- is the white walker lair extremely close for them to be able to slowly stroll there without the baby starving or sooner freezing to death? ALSO- Wasn't that the EXACT white walker that Sam murdered? I assume they aren't all clones.- Which is also the EXACT(?) white walker that we saw for the first time when Sam was hiding behind the rock- That being said, by the end of THAT scene he was totally surrounded by the undead army/white walkers. How the hell did he slip away again?
― Evan, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
I can't think of anything worse than being trapped on a ship with creepy Long John Littlefinger
guh
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
yeah, writing one of the most popular and critically acclaimed shows on tv that also happens to be an adaptation of a massively involved fantasy series is definitely not that hard
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, April 28, 2014 12:22 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
gosh i said i know
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
― Evan, Monday, April 28, 2014 12:32 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it was magical prob
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
I'll take it
― Evan, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
I am really being worn down by this show's insistence on shorthanding evil via sexual violence. Also I may never be able to watch season two of Torchwood again.
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
yeah, given all the attention for the cersei/jaime scene last week, it's surprising that few people on the interview seem to have taken issue with last night's episode, especially the part where women are being raped and the really creepy guy is talking about them being raped until they die.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 28 April 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
Well, that is largely because the dude doing the raping is supposed to be a mustache-twirling unambiguous Bad Guy and therefore rape is to be expected from him.
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
Yes but the rapists were not characters the audience wanted to like so its all good
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
Xp
Jaime, OTOH, was going through a redemption of sorts due to the revelation of extra information about the circumstances behind his murder of Aerys and his journey with Brienne; anti-heroes and reformed scoundrels aren't supposed to rape their sisters, that's a fundamental violation of American storytelling rules.
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
Most of that outcry was a "how dare you make me like this rapist" reaction IMO as opposed to people actually objecting to the seeming escalation of the depiction of rape on this show.
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 28 April 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
I super-disagree with that, maybe it's just the (tumblr) circles I travel in but the reaction I saw were "this is the worst of an increasingly disturbing number of decisions to depict gratuitous violence against women."
― reddening, Monday, 28 April 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
I am talking more about my perception of the mainstream reaction to that scene than anything else.
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 28 April 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
i was pretty taken aback by the white walker ritual stuff i guess from the books i never would have assumed they had a culture/society/religion or anything, basically i read them as high functioning zombies basically
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
It's fairly well-established in the books that while the wights are the (high-functioning) zombies, the actual Others/WWs themselves are culturally distinct (think of the circle of innards they make in the prologue -- don't remember if that happened in the books or the show only).
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 28 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
felt like whole baby sequence was trolling
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 April 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
especially at the very end when the babys eyse went blue and it turned toward the camera like LOL OWNED
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
I guess maybe the idea is that we were expecting the white walkers to be motivated by kind of ghostly evil compulsions, rather than just some sort of evil race with a culture/home.
― Evan, Monday, 28 April 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't that the EXACT white walker
Presumably all the younger ones are Craster's sons. There might be a family resemblance.
― Congratulations! And my condolences. (Sanpaku), Monday, 28 April 2014 19:02 (ten years ago) link
motivated by kind of ghostly evil compulsions
no other motivation really makes sense imo
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 April 2014 19:15 (ten years ago) link
can we get some kind of arnold-as-mr. freeze/white walker mash up somehow?
― ian, Monday, 28 April 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
the white walkers turn out to be actually the good guys?
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
They understand the threat that climate change poses to the planet.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 28 April 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link
i am ze vite valker ... remember ze name for it iz ze chillink sount of your dooooooom
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 April 2014 19:29 (ten years ago) link
+1 for getting sick of all the gratuitous rapeyness. We get it. Move it to off-camera.
― schwantz, Monday, 28 April 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 28, 2014 6:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
think the trailer for Damon Lindelof's new show before the episode was key to the direction GoT wants to go with this mythology shit
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 28 April 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
sure fuckin hope not, that thing looks ridiculous
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 April 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
So is the baby gonna stay a baby or is it gonna grow
If white walkers can grow then why don't the horses just grow a new face
― 龜, Monday, 28 April 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
Wizard (named Sam).
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 28 April 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link
Er... Because the horses are not white walkers. Xpost
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 28 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
Yah... they're white gallopers!!
― 龜, Monday, 28 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
the horses choose not to?
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 April 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
The horses are wights. They died and the white walkers are able to bring them back. I think.
― mizzell, Monday, 28 April 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:10 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
I think I totally missed this part in the books
― 龜, Monday, 28 April 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
It's entirely possible I'm mixing up the show and the books, tbh.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 28 April 2014 23:55 (ten years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Monday, April 28, 2014 12:27 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ugh, it's like an accepted thing now esp in Critically Acclaimed Hour-long Dramas that an episode is either allowed to be setup or payoff. like 80% of the episode reviews on the avclub include the line "this was a transitional episode, but..."
part of it is lazy viewership most of it is these shows/media/promotional material training us to only give a shit about different-colored weddings
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 01:56 (ten years ago) link
i think there was an entire season worth of breaking bad episodes that were described as "transitional"
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 01:57 (ten years ago) link
are there gonna be more different colored weddings tho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link
brown wedding
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAZQaYKZMTI
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
https://p.gr-assets.com/75x/scale/books/1348793736/5994288.jpg
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 03:00 (ten years ago) link
Man, the Tyrrells are good. When it comes to scheming and machinations everyone else in this is an amateur by comparison, no one even suspects them of anything. Maybe the Spider does, but he's slipping.
I don't understand/can't remember the motivations of anyone who mutinied beyond the wall or what they're intending to gain from this. Doesn't help that I glaze over the snow scenes when there aren't White Walkers around, because the only main characters are involved are John Snow and Sam and they are both terrible and boring.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 11:22 (ten years ago) link
Oh yeah when did Ghost get caught
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 11:23 (ten years ago) link
I don't understand/can't remember the motivations of anyone who mutinied beyond the wall or what they're intending to gain from this.
They are all just stupid ruffians who were sick of being in the Night's Watch and wanted to do some drinking and raping for a bit.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 11:29 (ten years ago) link
I totally called the necklace thing last week! but then it looked like a red herring.
― kinder, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:07 (ten years ago) link
Those north of the wall ruffians are new, not in the books
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:29 (ten years ago) link
it would be cool if the show started diverging wildly from the books and turned into a totally different story
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:36 (ten years ago) link
like if you were martin wouldnt you want a second shot, everyone says the fourth and fifth books blow anyway
also itd be cool to freak out and confuse everyone who read the books
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:37 (ten years ago) link
newsflash art is whatever u want it to be nerds
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:38 (ten years ago) link
Is Tommen supposed to old enough to get someone knocked up yet?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:45 (ten years ago) link
Tommen is supposed to be eight (and he was in s2 iirc). In the book he gets married to Margaery (who is 16) but it's supposed to be years before he's considered old enough to consumate his marriage.
Thankfully the show ignored all that and gave us the straight up paedo vibes!
― gyac, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:49 (ten years ago) link
i guess it is spoilery to talk about any story thread not being in the books because you know nothing of actual consequence can happen. and as a viewer that realization kind of balances out the fun of the novelty and leaves a net 'meh'. i will say that they did need to do something, the show has to care about regular screen time for all the major characters in a way that the books didn't. and the mutineers at crasters are not really new, they are just forgotten about as the story progresses elsewhere. i think repurposing an existing element is pretty smart, and by doing so they are clearly trying to keep a rein on the introduction of wholly new things.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:52 (ten years ago) link
*viewer who has read the books
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:53 (ten years ago) link
highlighting the paedo vibes of mediaeval-style political royal marriages is not necessarily inappropriate. i thought it was a well done scene.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:57 (ten years ago) link
except for the part the show itself and many of the viewers seem unaware of the creepiness of that scene.
― gyac, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:59 (ten years ago) link
he seems to be 12 or 13 in the show
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
lagoon this isn't art this is nerd shit
But yeah I'm kind of hopeful that the show ppl can maybe correct some of the flaws of the last 2. I'd love to see the sequence recut to be chronological
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
i think that's a given, they're not going to just ignore popular characters for 8 episodes
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:01 (ten years ago) link
sry i dont know anything about nerds i just assumed it was art
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:02 (ten years ago) link
eh if they don't dedicate at least half a season uninterrupted to the storyline of oberon pansy the portly minstrel then they might as well cut him out entirely
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:04 (ten years ago) link
Nerd shit is art. Not necessarily good art.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:07 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:36 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark
Given the season so far I actually kind of think this is happening
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:20 (ten years ago) link
crosses fingers
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link
yeah i really wouldnt be surprised if that happened once theyre done with book 3
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link
Like mods feel free to delete if this is spoilery but it's not just the mutineer arc that's new, it's also weirdo Locke being sent to the wall
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:25 (ten years ago) link
Also I hope the actors who play Bran and Tommen grow even more between seasons for some serious lols
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link
What if Bran has basketball player genes
What if he's taller than Holdor by season 5
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:27 (ten years ago) link
just got to pivot, his super power is yamming on fools now
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link
They'll just have to invent some reason to never see Bran standing up.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:32 (ten years ago) link
Yeah but he'd have comically long arms
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:33 (ten years ago) link
Can't wait XD
I haven't seen the most recent ep, and I haven't scanned the thread recently for fear of spoilers, but it occurred to me that as much as I enjoy this show, if it were summarily cancelled I wouldn't necessarily mourn it or go through withdrawal the way I might for shows I've liked more. I mean, I'd miss it, since I enjoy it, but not in the same way I've liked other Must-See TV. I'm trying to put my finger on why that is. Is it the campiness? The soapiness? The fact that half the cast could die and I probably wouldn't miss them too much, bar a couple of characters (who for all I know are slated to die)? Is the story/cast/arc just getting too big and unwieldy to balance with all the stuff and traits people have come to expect? I'm glad the budget, the author's pace and the relatively scant number of episodes per season are keeping this from totally spinning out of control. But still, something about the way the show plays undercuts its innately epic scenario. It's kind of a disorienting disequilibrium.
Sorry, thinking out loud a bit.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:33 (ten years ago) link
shd prob be its own thread tbh
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:34 (ten years ago) link
if they cancelled the show i'd be bummed because i'd never find out what happened
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link
I'd be bummed because no more Margaery ;(
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link
XP
there are so many characters and so many plot lines and so many of the characters and plot lines are so far from intersection that it seems like a bunch of disjointed/separate stories. As a result of this, I don't really have any emotional involvement in any of the characters, and what involvement I once had (primarily around the Starks after the first season) has been diluted as secondary and tertiary characters continue to be added, seemingly with every episode
― building a desert (art), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link
You don't have any emotional involvement with the Starks because they're all DEAD
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:41 (ten years ago) link
There's no sympathetic core because GRRM killed off the Starks
Now you're just watching to see how it all resolves and maybe you have a personal fav or two but GRRM has also trained you to not invest too deeply in any one character
― 龜, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
"Dat Margaery tho
Wish she'd sneak into my room"
no kidding, she is like the best babysitter ever
also this
http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/8/13/51/18/@/1360386-natalie-dormer-attends-the-20th-annual-950x0-1.jpg
― akm, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:43 (ten years ago) link
but GRRM has also trained you to not invest too deeply in any one character
that's true; however, i think that training is kind of lazily done. it's easy to water down interest in any one plotline by just jamming in dozens of others. i feel like his goal with the books at least was to differentiate interest by creating competing parties with more or less legitimate claims (so there was no clear protagonist / antagonist) and drive the plot through their competition. this is easier done in books, where a lot of plot development can pivot on a few pages. in the screen version, i feel like you have a bunch of rushed exposition and due to the format you only get a few moments a week with any given character or plot line. it's hard to get invested at all that way (and i'm guessing complete lack of investment is too far in the opposite direction) even if it's the only way the show can move.
― building a desert (art), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
there's no way to NOT diverge from the books because literally nothing at all happens in the last two books. basically if anything happens, it's a divergence.
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:55 (ten years ago) link
I also find (haven't read the book) that a lot of the exposition or character beats and stuff get shorthand repeated so much I kind of wish they spent the time doing other things. Like the new dude who likes to sleep with men and women? I get it. But they've reiterated that a few times already in the clunkiest manner possible. "Hello there, I like men and women." Or the way every time we see Stannos, he's the same grump, in the same way, with the same issues brought up. "I understand you like the witchy woman, but look what it is doing to you" or whatever. A lot of telling, not showing. I'm still honestly not even sure what the Stark girl and hound are doing or where they are going and why. Same with Bran. Just a lot of too and from. At least the people in King's Landing seem sort of trapped in a prison of their own devising, with Tywin the only guy apparently playing the long game (Oh, by the way, there is an army with dragons and freed slave warriors approaching, we should keep that in mind).
I should stress again that I think this is being done as well as it can be, afaict, but I don't know how sustainable it is as a story. Though I guess there really is no story, just a situation.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
I'll probably eventually read the books, though, so maybe that is GRRM's own long game.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:05 (ten years ago) link
Book marketing strategy #1: Have HBO create a hit show from it.
― Evan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:27 AM (1 hour ago)
All he does is say his name and you still got it wrong ;)
龜: "Your name, please"Hodor: "Hodor"龜: "Sorry?"Hodor: "Hodor"龜: "Holder?"Hodor: "Hodor"龜: "Oh. How can I help you?"Hodor: "Hodor"
― Evan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
how has no one done the attorney general eric hodor bit on snl yet
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link
those who've read the books tend to say the last few are pretty much plotless, but that's not always a mortal flaw for fantasy. for me, anyway. but the other thing that really matters to me is the really geeky world-building, mythology, history, etc. stuff. i dont think the show has really done at adequate job with that stuff at all. though im not sure it's really possible give the constraints. but there may have been some more imaginative ways around that--particularly given how much time they waste on basic exposition of established plot points (as noted above). given that tv shows are a now more a text that can be returned to at will maybe they'd be better off (aesthetically) just letting the audience figure things out.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
as a wheel of time veteran, i feel like im very experienced in the nearly avant-garde potentialities of plotless and boring-as-shit fantasy novels.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
Oh god no, I want the worldbuilding to be rich and detailed, but subservient to the plot. May as well read an RPG sourcebook otherwise.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
oh don't get me wrong, i wouldn't go as far as subservient but yeah there's a balance to be strived for.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link
loads of the world-building stuff in the TV show make less and less sense to me as the series go on - I dunno if I need a ton of exposition, but agree that time spent rehashing characters' storylines would be better spent actually explaining some shit
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
Jon Snow's sudden "we have to go back to get the crasters mutineers NOW!" thing seems like it should have happened ages ago, we last saw them last season - wouldn't Mance Rayder have got to those dudes weeks ago? Whole bit feels a little tacked on.but whatevs - good villains and finally Brann and crew are doing something other than hiding in the bushes
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
and tripping out
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
You liar, Theon was never popular!
Arya???
I'm still honestly not even sure what the Stark girl and hound are doing or where they are going and why. Same with Bran.
Really? Of all the plotlines where motivations keep getting repeated for the benefit of the audience, Arya and the Hound, traveling to the Eyrie so he can ransom her to her aunt Lysa Arryn, is probably one of the most repeated IIRC? However, you're right about Bran, the Reeds (curly haired girl and epileptic boy) didn't mention why they're going North more than a handful of times, also, boring.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
xps: interspersing relevant flashbacks would have been a nice touch, like maybe start the episode with a cold-open flashback to the mountain killing elia martell in the same episode that oberyn recounts it to tyrion. parcel out the history much like good fantasy novels tend to do. big blocks of exposition just don't work for tv.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
Also, I was hoping that Kit Harrington had taken some acting classes judging from the first episode, but then he tried to stare down Alliser Thorne and it was facepalming time again.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
why exactly are the hippy kids going North again? or have they really explained, other than visions say to go north to look for 3-eyed bird/self?
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
their is an expectation of a fantasy audience that when someone dreams of a three eyed bird and then decides they have to travel somewhere you have to roll with it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
IIRC it's his destiny, otherwise they're being cagey about it. xp
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
xps taling to myself still: even like animated shorts telling us about the children of the forest and the first men, or whatever. like para-texts.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
bran is stuck on the frodo "get from point A to point B" plotline.
bran is the one
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
the hippie kids' father will, i suspect, play a role in a future plot development.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I'm rolling with it, just wondering if I'd missed some stated motivation beyond the 3-eyed bird carlos castaneda visionquest
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
XXP OK, Morpheus.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
i guess reading the books a lot of your understanding of their journey is contextual, coloured by the mythology that the show can only go so deep into. even so, without hitting the giant red spoiler button i think i can say that there is no real need for the total vagueness for the show's purposes. they could drop some more substantial hints about the general if not specific nature of what they will encounter without ruining anything.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:32 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no way man. one of the great things about the books is the way the not-so-distant past is really... present... with all the characters and informs everything that happens, but you never actually "see" it, you just have to glean it from what the characters say and think. its actually some of the most skilled writing GRRM does. rhaegar targayen is the best character in the series and you barely know anything about him besides occasional asides and skimpy details. flashbacks would wreck that.
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
xpost damn it! now i'm so tempted to go read the wikipedia entry
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
Isn't there an intra-Kingsguard fight scene flashback somewhere in the books? I forget how it was set up...maybe a dream or vision.
― jmm, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
rhaegar targayen is the best character in the series and you barely know anything about him besides occasional asides and skimpy details. flashbacks would wreck that.
totally agree! this is what motivates my complaints. he's barely present at all in the show and he hovers over everything in the books. how else to do that on tv?
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
yeah wish they wld work more of the allusionary over expositional approach in, theyve kinda gone lowest common denominator w the story telling, too bad
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
flashbacks don't have to be totally explicit and explanatory either.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
It was Ned fever-dreaming after getting his leg stabbed through; also, I've read suggestions that he suffers from PTSD and that certain events trigger flashbacks to all that stuff.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
the different storylines/groups of characters vary so wildly in quality, idk how it is in the books but everytime I see manc sam - 'samwell' is the worst name in a world of shit names - & Famed British Beauty gilly my heart sinks. amazing they can give bran a potentially cool power & make his crew the most consistently dull crew, want them to freeze to death & be done w/ it
― ogmor, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:47 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they could do it in the dialogue (like they do basically everything else). i think seeing him would be a huge mistake, he's much better as this tortured lurking presence
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
yeah you're probably right about that.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
im not even a big "show don't tell pedant" im just not happy with how they're telling. too much of what is compelling is getting lost or incorporated slapdash.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
don draper's backstory, for instance, would be MUCH better kept off screen.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
it def follows the common progression of fantasy/scifi thing turned into action, except in this case it was turned into a thriller so im cool w it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link
also i dont like fantasy/scifi lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
don draper isnt even in this show dude
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
[SPOILERS] yet
Jon Hamm as Rhaegar
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
in a blond wig
the books are basically thrillers already though
like GRRM was a tv writer for a while and it shows
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
jon hamm as the voice of the littlest dragon
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
i didnt say jon hamm i said don draper
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
who is don draper tho when u really think abt it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
don drogo
― Evan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
xpost Oh shit, I literally had no idea what the Hound was doing with Arya, and I thought I was paying attention.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
I had the Tyrells and the Martells all mixed up. Hilarious true story, bros.
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
they are easy to mix up. also the tullys and the tyrells.
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
Just wait until the aliens invade and you meet the Scullys. Oh shit, spoilers.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link
or when Aria makes it to Riverrun and meets the local childrens entertainers, the TeleTullys.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
oh shit, spoilers.
that certainly spoiled my day
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
Think this is absolutely vital in this series, as it was with Harry Potter. Like, the focus is on the OMG EPIC world-changing events happening right now in the present, but a lot of the main characters are basically just vacuous vehicles for plot progression, the really interesting stuff happened 20 years ago between all their parents. It's a good way to play up the human interest side of the story, having these massive epochal events making and breaking kingdoms that are basically the end result of who fancied who, who were best mates and who got bullied etc. decades before the story even starts.
And I don't think the show provides anywhere near enough of this stuff. You're always on dangerous territory with terms like "world-building" and "backstory" when you're talking about epic fantasy, but idgaf about that side of things, the more Tolkien-y aspects or whatever. Just wish they'd give us more on the show about some of the shit that went down with the previous generation.
otm about Rhaegar Targaryen, who is only outdone as a spectral figure of awe and mystery by the crazily enigmatic "Ser Arthur Dayne", who I can't really remember the show mentioning at all but is like the biggest fucking Chekhov's Gun who gets mentioned repeatedly by numerous characters throughout all of the books (don't think this qualifies as a spoiler because there is basically no plot of note relating to this guy as yet, he's just someone whose name keeps coming up).
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
when the master dude saw the graffiti on the wall that said kill all masters, was i the only person who found it much easier to suspend disbelief about everyone speaking english than actually having english script on the wall?
― Mordy , Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
the characters were just shown NOT speaking English in the scene prior
yeah I hate shit like this
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
also I was under the impression 99.9% of the population was illiterate
btw looking up these characters ont he wiki is perilous because of the terrrrible fan art that accompanies their entries
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
dayne was also present at a *certain important moment in the past* along with Ned and the hippie kids father, right? (can't remember the name right now)
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
So wait, in this world, did dragons and snow zombies and stuff happen so long ago that it makes sense no one is terribly concerned?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
re: terrible fan art check out the night king entry
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
basically
Still, you'd think the fact that they happened at all would make people a little more wary. If someone once told me dragons fried thousands and zombies took out a bunch more, I'm not sure how well I'd sleep, no matter how gone they supposedly are.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
8,000 years since anyone has seen a white walker. only 150 for dragons.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
since they don't have seasons, what's a year?
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
like does their planet actually orbit a sun and shit?
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:25 (ten years ago) link
my theory is that they do have normal seasons, but due to *magic happenings* (ie, supernatural mega long winters) their idea of summer and winter are different.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
xxps Yeah I think the difference is that people knows dragons are real but are generally a bit too busy dealing with their own shit to worry about "rumoured" dragons which are like an unimaginable distance across the world from them, but the White Walkers are straight up mythological creatures to everyone except for the few people in the Night's Watch who've seen them since they returned.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
but people south of the wall must know the walkers are back for real, right? we've seen a whole bunch of people see them for real by now...and didn't Old Man Lannister mention them as an impending threat to the bisexual Prince when he was trying to get him on the Small Council?
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:27 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is my understanding, they have normal years with multi year periods alternating hot and cold, winter could be thought of as a very short ice age
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
xpost to myself he doesn't mention walkers, just the wildling rebellion brewing; and dany's dragons in the easthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1o25dNp-Ds
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
but people south of the wall must know the walkers are back for real, right? we've seen a whole bunch of people see them for real by now...
The only people who've seen them now are in the Night's Watch, are Craster's offspring, or Wildlings.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
the last several generations of dragons were small runts, you have to go back very very far for real dragons like dany has
― balls, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
Has the Nights Watch sounded the alarm to Kings Landing yet? Is there any awareness of the Walkers south of the wall? You'd think the really clued-in powerbrokers like Varys or Littlefinger or Tyrian might have at least heard the rumours
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
Tywin I mean
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
Didn't Tywin reference the Wilding army in his talk with Jaimie where he mentioned the dragons? Or am I just imagining that because it would make sense?
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link
If we're going to get nerdy about how their world works... I always wonder- the maps for both this and LOTR look like they can't be much bigger than say south america or something. Maybe even that is too big. Is the rest of the planet(?) ever mentioned?
― Evan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link
Tolkien makes multiple references to things that aren't on the maps - "the West" etc.
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link
implying a much larger world beyond Middle Earth
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
xpost Yeah the Walkers have been mentioned in King's Landing least once, but the response from all quarters was essentially "Riiiiight, whatever you say buddy" before everyone got back to plotting and spying and having clandestine meetings and whatnot. Which tbf is not an unreasonable reaction to have in that situation given that this is pretty much tantamount to claiming to have been abducted by aliens irl
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
xxxxxposthttp://io9.com/5906300/5-scientific-explanations-for-game-of-thrones-messed-up-seasons
― schwantz, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
Has the Nights Watch sounded the alarm to Kings Landing yet? Is there any awareness of the Walkers south of the wall? You'd think the really clued-in powerbrokers like Varys or Littlefinger or Tyrian might have at least heard the rumours― brio, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:41 PM Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkTywin I mean― brio, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― brio, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Actually Tyrion was acting Hand when the NW sent a representative to KL to argue for reinforcements re: the impending Otherpocalypse. But yeah, everyone was more wrapped up in material and immediate concerns of internal KL politics.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
xxpost iirc in LOTR the part of Middle-Earth that we see is meant to be approximately the size of Europe, with fuck-off huge spaces to the east that are never shown as well as the maps showing at least two more continents that are barely referred to at all even in The Silmarillion and all of the extended writings
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
wight btw
― am0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
Essos is pretty big. and there are two other continents that are basically unknown.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/Werthead/Maps/WorldofIceandFireNamesandScale_zps2aecc8fb.png
― mizzell, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
lol at 1000 islands
― mizzell, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
xpost yeah - I remember it being pretty well-established in Season 1 that nobody in the South took the Night's Watch particularly seriously, and stories from the Wildlings even less so... was just wondering if any of the more recent sightings had been factored in yet. I guess we as a TV audience see them more consistently than the characters in the show.
so is the whole series leading to all the humans eventually forming an uneasy alliance against the Walkers?
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
its leading to a) more murder and b) more boobs
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
Shakey otm.
More seriously, the only sightings of the Walkers have been North of the Wall, which they have yet to breach.
I forget if the KL people dismiss the NW's claims as fairy tales dressed up to get more funding.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link
Maybe the dragons will melt the snow zombies.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link
don't forget that maester aemon & sam sent all those scrolls to the various kings asking for help etc. Stannis got one too.
― ian, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
^^^this seems like the most predictable scenario but otoh really expensive can they even afford that much CGI? this is a show about medievel shit that has yet to stage an actual battle scene iirc.
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
Tbh if "A Song of Ice and Fire" doesn't eventually lead to Daenaerys conquering Westeros before melting the White Walkers with her dragons the someone done fucked up
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
maester aemon has no fucking pull
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
Ah, right, ian. My bad.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
For a story that gets a degree of kudos for being unpredictable the ending really is the most obvious thing.
Guys down south are clearly gonna continue pooh-poohing tales of the White Walkers until some really drastic shit goes down, which I agree might not be an ideal scenario for this show because as Shakey says, action is not the strong point here
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
getting a scroll from maester aemon about ice zombies is like an email from a Nigerian Prince, I guess
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
The end of the last season certainly gave the impression that Stannis and Melisandre appreciated the extent to which shit was about to go down North of the Wall, but then we fast forward to the season and Stannis is just standing around complaining about not being King as usual.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah that's right - and she knows whats up with supernatural shit, so maybe more inclined to take it seriously. totally forgot that.
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
Does Stannis remind anyone else of Jason Statham? Just me?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
he reminds me of Roose Bolton & a bunch of other minor characters. Give some of these dudes some eccentric hair-dos or trademark funny hats so I can keep up.
― brio, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
Hate to harp on this shit in the spoiler-free thread but again, I think this is a (possibly inevitable?) failing of the tv show. In the books there is all the difference in the world between Stannis' monomaniacal drive for what he perceives as truth and justice vs Roose Bolton's peculiar concoction of the same cloak-and-dagger stuff they're all working and sheer pantomime-villain malevolence
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
Well there was one book scene featuring Roose in Harrenhal where, if the TV show had followed the book, would've clearly leeched the confusion with, say, Stannis.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
xps taling to myself still: even like animated shorts telling us about the children of the forest and the first men, or whatever. like para-texts.― ryan, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:36 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
― ryan, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:36 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
these exist btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DytL8fXMEaA
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
roose is a try-hard, stannis is supremely disdainful
― ogmor, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, well you'd think that ppl on our world would give a bit more of a shit about climate change but
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
wow thanks those videos are pretty neat. sounds like the actors from the show are narrating it?
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link
Dragons and Zombies are infinitely more easy to understand and conceptualise than climate change.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
Looks like a compilation of the little historical videos that are in the blu-ray special features. It's nice that someone pulled these together because watching them in a million 5 minute chunks is a pain in the ass
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
Giant fire breathing dragons that actually wiped out entire cities and killed thousands trumps scientific models and hypotheses. But speaking of climate change, you'd think some of these dudes might be preparing for potential endless winter, too. Winter is coming, etc. So we've got the threat of dragons (real, recent), snow zombies (mythical) and a long winter (people know about this, right? or was the last Westeros ice age eons ago, too.)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
http://io9.com/5906300/5-scientific-explanations-for-game-of-thrones-messed-up-seasons
yeah there are tons of explanations for why a planet would have irregular seasons. a planet that would have both these irregular seasons AND an ecology that closely mirrors earth's is, however, ridiculous. but, you know, MAGIC!
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link
it is magical how boring you are about this
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
That's my fave aspect of the show, actually. Magic is real but hardly pervasive. Just every once in a while, oh yeah, MAGIC. Like, you'd think a red witch with actual powers would be as pervasive as dragon skulls, but no, just another headache to deal with.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
persuasive not pervasive.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
i think the d&d dungeon master's guide would describe this as a 'low magic world'
― Mordy, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
in the books there are numerous hints about the seasons and seeing as a major theme of the series is a) magic is returning to the world and b) a really long winter (brought by the magical ice creatures* & their zombies) is coming and everyone's going to be fucked, I would hardly say it's a deux ex machina. there's clearly a resolution coming.
*not a spoiler, see end of last episode when guy drops the water & it freezes.
― gyac, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
u just kill them w obsidian daggers not really that big a deal jeez
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
and they call them dragonglass. hmmm, makes you wonder....
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 23:24 (ten years ago) link
interesting thing from those videos is that the Starks are sorta ethnically distinct from the rest of westeros.
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link
I like that the different speakers in that video describe their history differently, depending on how their family was affected by the events.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link
i always figured the weird seasons were caused by their planet spinning on an irregular axis (i have no science credentials)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
The sun probably spins around the earth in westeros
― 龜, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:24 (ten years ago) link
I imagine when shakey reads terry pratchett he is thinking " HM! Could a giant space turtle REALLY support four giant space elephants AND a whole planet?! SCIENCE, ANSWER ME!"
― 龜, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:26 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
well but the targareyan's have been entirely wiped out excepting a teenaged girl from the pov of tywin lannister et al. "winter is coming" is basically a phrase that everyone makes fun of b/c lol the pessimist starks who shut themselves away in the north and are m/l a different race than the Andal people who control the rest of Westeros (excepting Dorne). The threat of dragons that last really laid any kind of waste to westeros is well out of recent memory (all the popular songs now are things like "Rains of Castamere," narratives about political treachery and military strength) and, "whoa a young lady has some dragons on another continent" isn't really actionable intelligence. It's kinda like Who Gives a Shit? The coming long winter, and the Lannister destruction of the bread basket of Westeros in preparation for it, is one of Martin's critiques of the short-sightedness of war and those in power. No matter how little food is available for the "small folk" Tywin and Cersei will have all the feasts they want! There's no sense of need for those in power outside of protecting that power so there will remain no sense of need. And as far as the White Walkers are concerned, it's been literally thousands of years since the wall has really been anything other than a kind of polite prison camp. White Walkers are a fairy tale. The watch is desperate for recruits, why wouldn't they say they've seen mythical bullshit coming to gain more men? They've got like a hundred dudes! They'd do anything for new blood!
anyways i have always read the White Walkers as a metaphor for the inevitable inaction on climate change until it's actually making the rich suffer, so props to whoever brought up the idea.
― Clay, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 08:05 (ten years ago) link
I usually avoid this thread cos of fear of spoilers and increasing distaste for the show's politics, bt awesome post man
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 08:35 (ten years ago) link
def feel that they lost momentum with the white walkers after the end of season 2 - all that marching towards the wall but where are they now? meanwhile bran suddenly goes from a snail's pace north to suddenly at craster's in just a couple of minutes.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 10:36 (ten years ago) link
Didn't we determine they're just somewhere ... chillin'?
xpost Someone's been doing some out of class reading! Seriously, though, good post. I'm glad someone is paying attention. Speaking of which, though, the show's done a pretty poor job establishing the extent of poverty, starvation, etc., imo. It all just looks like generic grim movie Medieval misery and squalor to me.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 11:36 (ten years ago) link
I think the point of Feast For Crows, if indeed there was one, to establish said poverty and starvation. Not much smallfolk action in the first three books.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 11:39 (ten years ago) link
there's definitely a sense in books 2 and 3 that the countryside and villages have been devestated to a large extent
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:34 (ten years ago) link
There are moments in the show where I totally expect it to bust out into:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:35 (ten years ago) link
Iirc, the only real glimpse we've gotten of the plebes, at least in King's Landing, is the ep where Joffrey ventures out into the public and almost gets killed.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:36 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:38 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, been a while since I watched this, actually.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link
the thing this season with the hound and arya's encounter with the guy and his daughter was supposed to be a little bit of that flavour i guess
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
Python or just poor people in general? Because it was a bit of both.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya but dude we see storms and icebergs melting on tv. in GoT there's no mass media or even real historical record and most people cant even read. they have more pressing things to worry about most of the time.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
lol Terry Pratchett I ain't reading that crapxxxxxp
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
The climate change stuff, sure, I get that. But dragons were 150 years earlier, which is not long ago, and there are actual giant skulls and real proof, and no one denies they existed and killed untold numbers of people. If the US Civil War was filled with game-changing, people-eating fire breathing dragons, I'm not sure any degree of illiteracy would make people forget that. It'd be like the dinosaurs lived not 70+ million years ago but in the 1800s and were a scourge and almost destroyed society.
Do we know if these people age like us humans?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
yes but we live in a world of civil war docs and tv shows and books. there's no printing press even in GoT world!
at this point they're basically legendary
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago
They do.
there are actual giant skulls and real proof
None of which the peasants get to see.
I think in a pre-mass media society the boundary between myth and history is far far hazier than what we're used to.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
also they do mention them, they're just not freaking out about them, and they dont really have reason to
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
(that they know of)
I don't think anyone has ever treated dragons as legendary on the show? And why would they? We only disbelieve magic because where told to do so, for the largest part of human history, everyone agreed that a guy could be crucified and then come back to life three days later.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
You guys are right that the boundary between myth and history would be hazy, but it really goes in the opposite direction. 150 years after dragons decimated a city, the populace would probably believe that the city had been full of unicorns. Stories rarely became less legendary over time.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
Because they're fire breathing dragons who just a couple of generations ago were actual death-from-above beasts who destroyed cities? If someone had a baby dragon, I wouldn't think, aw, how cute, thank god that will never get bigger and try to kill me. But hey, that's just me.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
150 years is really not that long.
ideology can do funny things to historical memory.
― ryan, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
I guess it's like, I'm sure we're all concerned about the re-emergence of the far right and neo-Nazism in Europe right now, but we all spend the vast majority of our time worrying about personal shit rather than that. And we have much more direct evidence of that than the people of Westeros do of the return of the dragons.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
And we have far less to worry about in our day to day lives.
But then again Nazis can't breath fire... yet.
wouldn't say no to a white walker riding a mostly skeletal unicorn
― nashwan, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:52 (ten years ago) link
well it's a bit longer, in human terms, if ppl die at 50 on the reg
― gbx, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:41 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya but even the existence of those baby dragons is rumoured at this point
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
like what do you think would be a "realistic" reaction from the smallfolk, who are all basically starving or about to starve, being tormented by soldiers and mercenaries, and trying to rebuild their burnt-out and ruined lives? to just run around screaming about dragons?
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:05 (ten years ago) link
Can't remember, are the Lannisters basically pooh-poohing the the dragon rumours at this point?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link
Tywin seemed to see Dany + dragons as a legit concern 2 weeks ago. Not top-shelf but in the mix.But yeah after she'd conquered 3 cities and massing the hordes of (now invisible) Dothraki behind her you'd think there might be a bit more concern.
― brio, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, doesn't he recruit the bisexual prince because his family/kingdom helped kill the dragons last time?
I'm not sure what smallfolk should think, since we haven't seen much of them and they have bigger (no) fish to fry. But it's unclear how pervasive the knowledge of the dragons/slave army et al. is at this point. I assume if Tywin knows others must know, right? They all seem so busy scheming for the throne, but if they knew you'd think they'd have some sort of in-case-of-dragon plan in place, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
lack of information plus abundance of misinformation is a big thing in the books the show can't really capture. plus dragons effectively = a technological advantage, nothing more and one that's been overcome before by the dornes when they were facing actual dragons and not the weak dog size runts dany is rumored to have (if you believe in dragons).
― balls, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I guess the show doesn't (can't) show the full scale/scope of this story.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
What was all that stuff with the secret society (Dennis pennis maybe was in it?)that Arya stumbled on last series? With the resurrected guy
― kinder, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
xpostsyeah - and it was established way earlier that even bumbling old drunk Robert saw the surviving Targaryens as a potential threat before Dany even started busting moves so Tywin and various other plotters should be on the case. Maybe they are and we just don't know yet.
How much do we know about how fast info flows from Essos?
― brio, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
they'll be back. pretty sure we'll see them in the finale.
― balls, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
dragons effectively = a technological advantage, nothing more and one that's been overcome before by the dornes when they were facing actual dragons and not the weak dog size runts dany is rumored to have (if you believe in dragons).
― balls, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 12:16 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
how did the dornes do it?
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
magic
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
They sexed them to death.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
smothered by boobs
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
can u guys be srs for a sec thx
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
ya but dude we see storms and icebergs melting on tv.
For all the good it's done us.
Some clarification: Dorne didn't kill the dragons, they're just notorious for having withstood the original Targaryen takeover of Westeros (the Martell's motto is "Unbeaten, unsomethinged, unbowed") -- they're the hot, arid, desert version of Russia, in this case -- and they're viewed as something of a semi-autonomous part of Westeros, if not in a parliamentary sense then at least in style (they call their rulers Princes and Princesses) (though they do have different institutional laws, such as royal women being able to inherit before younger male siblings).
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
is there info in the books on how they withstood the original Targaryen takeover of Westeros
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
viet cong stylesbut i think they did actually kill a couple of dragons
― brio, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
how do u kill a dragon
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
dorne seems chill they shd go there in the show
need new castles
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
dorne is geographically isolated (deserts, mountains) from the rest of westeros and that's the reason they weren't conquered. not sure that stands up to irl reason but that's the reason.
― ryan, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
Right on the guerrilla warfare. I don't remember about killing dragons, tbh.
Anyway, relevant non-spoilerly stuff from AWOIAF:
Seven centuries after the Rhoynar invasion, Aegon the Conqueror invaded Westeros and in his War of Conquest subjugated all of the Andal kings one by one, except Dorne, which successfully resisted the Dragon King. Whereas other kings and lords had taken to the field against Aegon, or clustered in castles, the Dornish refused to give open battle and allow Aegon to deploy his dragons. Instead, they turned to ambush and raids, striking quickly and then slipping back into the desert or through the mountain passes, where even the dragons could not find them. In time, Aegon pulled away from Dorne.A century and a half later King Daeron I Targaryen, the Young Dragon, managed to do what his ancestor could not and successfully subdued the kingdom. Unfortunately, Dorne almost immediately rose in rebellion. In the resulting conflict, forty thousand soldiers gave their lives, forcing the Targaryens to pull away from Dorne.After Daeron's death, his brother and successor Baelor the Blessed made peace with Dorne instead, marrying off his cousin, another Daeron, to Myriah Martell. When this prince ruled as Daeron II, he made another marriage pact, offering his younger sister Daenerys to the ruling Prince of Dorne Maron Martell, finally joining Dorne to the rest of the Seven Kingdoms through a peaceful alliance. Before officially joining the realm, the Dornishmen fought alongside Daeron II's forces (being led by his half-Martell son Baelor Breakspear), helping to suppress the Blackfyre Rebellion. Even though they are no longer independent and now owe allegiance to the Iron Throne, the ruling Martells still use the title prince, unlike their lordly counterparts in the rest of the Seven Kingdoms.The Dornish were loyalists who supported the Targaryens during the War of the Usurper, as Elia Martell was married to the crown prince, Rhaegar Targaryen.
A century and a half later King Daeron I Targaryen, the Young Dragon, managed to do what his ancestor could not and successfully subdued the kingdom. Unfortunately, Dorne almost immediately rose in rebellion. In the resulting conflict, forty thousand soldiers gave their lives, forcing the Targaryens to pull away from Dorne.
After Daeron's death, his brother and successor Baelor the Blessed made peace with Dorne instead, marrying off his cousin, another Daeron, to Myriah Martell. When this prince ruled as Daeron II, he made another marriage pact, offering his younger sister Daenerys to the ruling Prince of Dorne Maron Martell, finally joining Dorne to the rest of the Seven Kingdoms through a peaceful alliance. Before officially joining the realm, the Dornishmen fought alongside Daeron II's forces (being led by his half-Martell son Baelor Breakspear), helping to suppress the Blackfyre Rebellion. Even though they are no longer independent and now owe allegiance to the Iron Throne, the ruling Martells still use the title prince, unlike their lordly counterparts in the rest of the Seven Kingdoms.
The Dornish were loyalists who supported the Targaryens during the War of the Usurper, as Elia Martell was married to the crown prince, Rhaegar Targaryen.
That's a different Daenerys, obviously.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
dorne is the coolest i support dorne
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I hope we see some of Dorne this season.
― Dreamland, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link
I hope we see Thunderdorne.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
dorne is basically sicily meets afghanistan
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
If they go to dorne I'm expecting copious amounts of spicy eggs with dragon peppers
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Don't forget the olives.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 20:35 (ten years ago) link
That climate doesn't seem as conducive to world-famous wine as I thought it would
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
So at this point is bran basically just looking for a tree north of the wall?
― Dreamland, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
plenty to choose from bran gosh
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 22:04 (ten years ago) link
the end of the last episode torpedoes my theory that the majority of the planet's population is white walkers, and they just keep humans around in a little wildlife preserve to toy with and roll their eyes at.
― reddening, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link
lol i like it tho
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:46 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
Drones
― 龜, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
dronish wine, delicious
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
are the dragons a metaphor for drones i have opinions to share
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
I sincerely doubt it but by all means proceed.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
ok they definitely are
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link
dragons more like b-52s
― balls, Thursday, 1 May 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
does that make Harrenhalll Dresden or Nagasaki
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 1 May 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
― balls, Thursday, 1 May 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
So red wedding = wedding in Yemen or am I confused
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 1 May 2014 02:09 (ten years ago) link
going back a way just ruminating on how false this is -
for the largest part of human history, everyone agreed that a guy could be crucified and then come back to life three days later
― ogmor, Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
I enjoyed this dumb article from a website I usually hate:
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/4734-game-of-thrones-lands-as-sf-neighborhoods
― polyphonic, Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link
lol i was so distracted by the knee-jerk lol-religion mockery that i missed the totally insane largest part of human history assertion
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
well it's only 6,000 years right
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
although how 2,000 would qualify as most well I dunno
Biblical math.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
Resurection myths are quite common, eg. Orpheus and Eurydice. Or Balder. People not believing Jesus did it does not mean they didn't believe it could have been done.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link
leaving aside theological questions I don't think 50% of the world population have been christian at any point over the past 2000 years, which in turn is <1% of the time there have been modern humans. I would definitely agree that people have believed all sorts of crazy crap over this period though, I'm just quibbling B-)
― ogmor, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:03 (ten years ago) link
Again, that is not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming people would have believed it to be possible. There's a pretty important 'could' in my post.
― Frederik B, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:14 (ten years ago) link
And it might seem as if I'm stubborn and nitpicking, but my point is, that religions and myths existed in a worldview that was a lot less sceptical. Which is the worldview GoT takes up. So saying that Dragons have turned to 'myths' doesn't mean that people wouldn't be afraid of them anymore, and be perfectly convinced that they could come back.
― Frederik B, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:18 (ten years ago) link
from my quoting I thought it was clear I was only picking at yr supporting assertion. an 8th century dane/lannister serf has no good reason for believing in rhinos and giant squid but not unicorns and dragons. don't think bringing up the crucifixion helps this argument at all though, especially as miracles are by definition exceptional & require a background of scepticism & ideas of regularity to have any potency
― ogmor, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
It's not earth. It's a fictional world. Anything goes.
― Dreamland, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:47 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/gXc9762.gif
― 龜, Friday, 2 May 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
are you guys actually arguing about how scared of dragons fictional peasants in a fantasy world might be?
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
the fuck else would we be doing?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
just checking, carry on
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
Bro we are all scared of dragons one way or another
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
they're more scared of us tbh
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
wrt the dragons i think, and maybe book readers have a better sense of this, that perhaps there's a good reason that the powers that be would like to keep the dragons from being general knowledge in westeros. aren't many people still sympathetic to the targaryens? and given the current chaos, i can imagine if a blond person riding dragons shows up, they are gonna be pretty psyched about it. lannisters, et al, have every reason to pooh-pooh the idea that there are dragons out there.
― ryan, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
I just had an image flash of Winnie the Pooh riding a gigantic dragon and enjoying a pot of honey.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 2 May 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
scale of 1 to 10 how scared of dragons are the peasants
― lag∞n, Friday, 2 May 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
aren't many people still sympathetic to the targaryens?
not really no
― Number None, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
People still like Rheagar, but the last monarch of their line was horrible and insane.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
i could see smallfolk yearning for the power and relative stability of the targs as things get worse the same way neo-fascist and neo-stalinist ideologies have resurged
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
Not really clear from the books iirc. You hear both sides of the argument at different times from different sources (i.e. Viserys and the Lannisters). Thought the general impression was that, given what a fucking mess the country has got into by this stage of the story as a result of the civil war, many of the "smallfolk" were feeling pretty uncharitable towards the powers that be and are pining for the days of yore when the Targaryens were in charge and the harvest was going unburned, you could sleep safely in your houses etc. I may be misremembering or exaggerating this to some extent though
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
interesting
Aerys II Targaryen, popularly called the Mad King, is an unseen character in Game of Thrones. He is deceased when the events of the series begin. Liam Burke was cast to play him in flashback in Season 1,[1] but the scene was cut for time and pacing
― Number None, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
trying to remember, has the show ever used any kind of flashback? peyote bran dreams don't count
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
Not really, unless you count the beginning of this season's premiere when we were subtly re-introduced to Ice while Tywin was melting it down.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
+ would peasants be afraid of flashbacks if they had TV shows in westeros?
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, that's right about this season but that just seemed like a season-opening montage-y thing
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
probably a smart move to lay down a no flashbacks policy for the show I think, but then it's the book-learned fans who seem to think it would add something missing so i should maybe defer to them. don't really know what i'm missing in terms of backstory that could have been flashed back to
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
i think flashies would suck ass and im a bookbro so
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
if the show wants to keep to its house style, all flashbacks should be done as monologues to a naked whore
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
if anything knowing there's cool shit I'm missing out on just makes me want to read the books, which is OK by me
I'm good w/ naked monologues too though
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
The books are a lesson in diminishing returns.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
ok naked monologues then
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
Kinda wish I was a bookbro before a showbro. Now I want to know what happens, but..not really.
― Dreamland, Friday, 2 May 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Diminishing returns in the books is right so far, but at least part of that is due to how long the fans have to wait between publications. If he stops widening the scope and starts actually making a visible effort to resolve the story then he could probably have the whole thing wrapped in a couple of very exciting volumes. If this isn't his plan then idk
Would recommend the books to anyone, it's the easiest, most plot-driven read ever and tbh it's only a couple of books really, its not like trying to get into Wheel of Time of sthing. Though I imagine going to the books would be a v. different experience now that loads of the best twists and set-pieces have already been shown on TV.
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 3 May 2014 08:05 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I'm glad I read books 2 & 3 before they were televised. Storm of Swords is such a fun read.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 3 May 2014 11:18 (ten years ago) link
Big up everyone who's read the books and keeps reminding us that this show is going to blow in a season or so.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 3 May 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
not sure how you're getting that notion tbh. the issue with the books is structural and by nature the show isn't susceptible to it.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 May 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
Hey, I enjoyed the next books - it didn't occur to me that people didn't until this thread.
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link
i did too but i can imagine being pretty let down if i'd been waiting years
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
I read 3, 4, and 5 within a few months of each other and can confirm that 4 and 5 blow chunks
― 龜, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
i read the first three within a couple months and it took me six months to stumble through book 4 and i just quit halfway through book 5.
― Clay, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
I guess if 'this tv show is gonna head off a cliff unless the showrunners make some major departures' is a spoiler then feel free to delete my posts and also half the thread
― 龜, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
there's basically no way they don't make drastic changes to the 4/5 material, while arriving at the same destinations the books arrive at, imo. and that's fine, there's just so much filler material, mostly.
― Clay, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:49 (ten years ago) link
Whole fifth season is nothing but various feasts and discussion, the equivalent of My Dinner With Andre.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:51 (ten years ago) link
My Dragons With Andrye
― Clay, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link
"The sixth book will be just a thousand-page description of snow blowing across the graves."
― panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Sunday, 4 May 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
and olives
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 5 May 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link
turns out the white walkers invaded to steal westeros' most precious treasure: boiled leather.
― reddening, Monday, 5 May 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link
This probably is better for the SPOILERS thread but I swear to god the man just has a Word Macro or a Mad Libs that he fills in for 75% of the paragraphs
― 龜, Monday, 5 May 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link
Words are wind
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 5 May 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
Useless as nipples on a breastplate.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
Lotsa movement in this episode unlike the last one.
Shits getting weird at the eeryie.
― Dreamland, Monday, 5 May 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
think this was my favorite ep of the season so far. lots of denouement which means the next couple episodes are going to be terrible until the second to last which will blow my mind and almost convince me to try reading these books again.
― building a desert (art), Monday, 5 May 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
loved that trippy shot with Jojen in the tent. wish the show would do take that approach more often when portraying the crazy mystical stuff.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 5 May 2014 03:50 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, Jojen's surreal flaming hand was cool, as was his "I saw you die" line. This was such a low-key and talky episode for the most part, and I really enjoyed it. Seeing two Starks come *this close* to reuniting before going down separate paths again was painful in the best way.
― zchyrs, Monday, 5 May 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYBAMxJecLI
― Dan I., Monday, 5 May 2014 06:02 (ten years ago) link
I was anticipating that what was my biggest "oh I see" moment of Book Three-- Jon Arryn's murderer revealed-- was gonna be somewhat toothless because of time and extra info in the TV series, but that reveal felt completely throwaway and unfortunate
― "got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link
I was anticipating that what was my biggest "oh I see" moment of Book Three-- Jon Arryn's murderer revealed-- was gonna be somewhat toothless because of time and extra info in the TV series, but that reveal felt completely throwaway and unfortunate --"got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included)
I hope they return to it at some point because id like to better understand the motivation. Homeboy couldn't have been playing that long a con on the entire world right? Unless little finger is actually lex luthor or something
― building a desert (art), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
i dunno it took a few seconds to sink in but it felt like a pretty big "whoa" moment to the group i was watching with.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
whole episode felt like one long delaying tactic - oh the Starks are gonna be reunited NOPE. oh hey Daenerys is gonna invade Westeros SYKE. Let's just drag things out as looooongggggggg as possssiiiiiibbbbblllllllllleeee
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
What was revealed? That Arran was poisoned?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
yeah I was only kinda half-watching for some reason and can't recall
― gbx, Monday, 5 May 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
yeah by Littlefinger, was the implication
I dunno what's the big deal
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
Littlefinger was the man with the plan, Lysa Arryn was his proxy.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
Lysa is icky enough with her weirdo kid, adding Littlefinger into the mix is like Creepshow 5000
groooooooooooosssss
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
but yeah shakey otm about all this dragging out of things
winter's coming... but first I need to find this tree and uh oh yeah I have to rule this other kingdom for a little while and oh yeah I have to get married and then I have to return some videos and oh shit I forgot about killing that other guy and zzzzzzzzzz
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
lol grumpy mo
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
i expected this to be a filler ep and really enjoyed it. loved the open with cersei working each of tyrion's judges, and the way we worked off the button of that setup ("everywhere in the world they hurt little girls") to see Arya, Sansa and Meera all learning that she's right.
bran/hodor bit was both stirring and heartbreaking. given that we know we're not even halfway through this thing I'm not clear why y'all are in such a rush. enjoy the journey maaaaan.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
would be funny if they just start stalling so Martin can catch up.
― ryan, Monday, 5 May 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
i enjoyed the episode fine but I wanted Bran & Jon Snow to at least see each other ;_;
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
that moment when margery said about calling cersei 'mother', I thought cersei was going to gut her like a fish then and there
i love any scenes between those two
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
the thing w Bran and Hodor is... well, why didn't Bran just do that before?
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
Too many bad guys around with stabby knives. Hodor also doesn't like getting possessed, and also has moral compunctions against killing.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
Is this the tree we're supposed to find? Nope.
Is *this* the tree we're supposed to find? Nope.
This has gotta to be the... wait nm.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
Hodor also doesn't like getting possessed, and also has moral compunctions against killing.
yeah, the shot of him wondering at his bloody hands was good - I couldn't remember if that had specifically been established before
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
Also, it takes a tremendously larger toll on Bran to go into a human than it does with an animal.
(xpost)
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
i think that's kinda the point, none of the wargs up until now have been able to take control of people... that would obvs be a huge game changer as you just project into the head of a rival king and kill yourself. more proof that bran is THE ONE i guess.
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
Hodor is kind of an exceptional case, though. Bran might not be able to warg into the next guy who slices his leg and tries to abduct him, for instance.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, May 5, 2014 12:38 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Aren't we actually literally halfway through the season? Even if you mean the overall series... I heard this is also sure enough about midway through the books or maybe I heard wrong.
― Evan, Monday, 5 May 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Yeah if (if) it's seven seasons and same amount of episodes each, we are halfway through the whole thing.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 May 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
Of all of Littlefinger's skills I think I'm most impressed that he could get it up for Lysa.
― polyphonic, Monday, 5 May 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
Close your eyes and think of Catelyn.
― nickn, Monday, 5 May 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
how do you not look at her and not have the Wicked Witch of the West theme going in your head immediately
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
or phrase that so it makes sense, you know know what I mean
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
Hm, I think in the books (or in my head) it was way more of a big deal to find out that Baelish a) told Lysa to kill Arryn and b) told her to blame to Lannisters. Firstly, the more-ambiguous-in-the-books Baelish hadn’t yet been explicitly proven to be a total shit; his betrayal of Ned seemed naturally related to self-preservation and revenge-for-Cat rather than the move of a master-criminal. Second, Baelish can thus be entirely credited with starting the war, the question is really “how many moves ahead was he thinking?” Was war his goal? it seems so. If he wanted to be Lord of the Eyrie he wouldn’t have needed to foment the mistrust between Starks and Lannisters. It seems like he had deeper designs than “I’m gonna try and fuck up Ned Stark’s shit”. Is there consensus in fan-world as to how clever he’s been?
― "got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
dude just wants to be on his ladder
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
I think with Baelish getting around like a mustachioed cartoon villain these days none of his shenanigans are surprising because he's all but twirling his mustache and or eyeing stage left with every reveal
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
http://towerofthehand.com/blog/2011/03/29-mockingbird-part-1-as-high-as/index.html here's a three-part investigation of LF's long-game in the books that I found put everything in order for me. (Warning: major spoilers for tv show only ppl) xp
― Clay, Monday, 5 May 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
Awesome, thanks. I... def prefer book-Baelish when it comes to the reenactment of major plot-points like this one, but like all "the climb" monologues too
― "got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
i'm just TV, but want to read *so* *bad*!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
Yeah if (if) it's seven seasons and same amount of episodes each, we are halfway through the whole thing. --Ned Raggett
Is it seven seasons? It's seven books, and we're still in book 3...
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 May 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
Rumor mills earlier this year indicate HBO/showrunners are thinking seven, GRRM wasn't so sure. Other rumor mills suggest telescoping books 4 and 5 into next season. In short, nobody knows anything.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 May 2014 19:17 (ten years ago) link
so how conceivable is that that TV would catch up to the books before 5 and 6 are released?
what if GRRM kicks it before the books are finished?
― brio, Monday, 5 May 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
This has been the subject of much, how you say, earnest talk. What's known is that GRRM has outlined the end of the story to the showrunners, but in exactly what detail nobody knows.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 May 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
dont worry, brandon sanderson waits in the wings.
― ryan, Monday, 5 May 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
I believe that GRRM has said that Benioff and Weiss know generally where the books are headed, esp. the endgame, but that barring untimely death, he's going to try to get the books out before the show catches up (yeah right).
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/george-r-r-martin-interview
David and Dan told me they came to see you here to talk about things because the they are getting close to you, with the show.They are. Yes. It’s alarming.Did you tell them where you’re headed with the story?They know certain things. I’ve told them certain things. So they have some knowledge, but the devil is in the details. I can give them the broad strokes of what I intend to write, but the details aren’t there yet. I’m hopeful that I can not let them catch up with me. The season that’s about to debut covers the second half of the third book. The third book [A Storm of Swords] was so long that it had to be split into two. But there are two more books beyond that, A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons. A Dance With Dragons is itself a book that’s as big as A Storm of Swords. So there’s potentially three more seasons there, between Feast and Dance, if they split into two the way they did [with Storms]. Now, Feast and Dance take place simultaneously. So you can’t do Feast and then Dance the way I did. You can combine them and do it chronologically. And it’s my hope that they’ll do it that way and then, long before they catch up with me, I’ll have published The Winds of Winter, which’ll give me another couple years. It might be tight on the last book, A Dream of Spring, as they juggernaut forward.
They are. Yes. It’s alarming.
Did you tell them where you’re headed with the story?
They know certain things. I’ve told them certain things. So they have some knowledge, but the devil is in the details. I can give them the broad strokes of what I intend to write, but the details aren’t there yet. I’m hopeful that I can not let them catch up with me. The season that’s about to debut covers the second half of the third book. The third book [A Storm of Swords] was so long that it had to be split into two. But there are two more books beyond that, A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons. A Dance With Dragons is itself a book that’s as big as A Storm of Swords. So there’s potentially three more seasons there, between Feast and Dance, if they split into two the way they did [with Storms]. Now, Feast and Dance take place simultaneously. So you can’t do Feast and then Dance the way I did. You can combine them and do it chronologically. And it’s my hope that they’ll do it that way and then, long before they catch up with me, I’ll have published The Winds of Winter, which’ll give me another couple years. It might be tight on the last book, A Dream of Spring, as they juggernaut forward.
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 May 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link
he sounds like he knows he can't do it to me, at least not at the clip it's moving at now.
― brio, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
he's gonna die
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
Well, valar morghulis.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 20:11 (ten years ago) link
we'll have started book 4&5 (first half of book 5 is concurrent with book 4 chronologically) by the end of this season but we've probably got 2-3 more episodes of book 3 left still.
i haven't heard any news on the status of book 6 but he seems to be taking his time with it much like the last 2
― ciderpress, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
I think the next book might be imminent, like maybe mid 2015 release. That would align with end of season 5, giving Martin about a year to write and edit the final book, wrapping up an ENORMOUS amount of story, and a year for the book to go through the process if being published, if he wants to beat the end of season 7. So there is a 0% chance of Martin beating the show.
― Clay, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
the show-runners will just have to get creative.http://www.suprmchaos.com/great-gazoo2b_sally.jpg
― brio, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
well yeah he's not gonna beat the show unless he's actually motivated to, which he's shown no real signs of publicly. he wrote the first 3 books in a span of 5 years, he's certainly capable of writing the rest at a faster pace than he's currently on.
― ciderpress, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:26 (ten years ago) link
Little round of applause for Burn Gorman as Karl who chewed up all his scenes magnificently and died a brilliant gruesome death. The character was a shit to rival Joffers but was so much fun to watch. Gorman could do Iago or Edmund next, he'd be perfect.
― Mercer Finn, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
it's pretty clear that this show could just tread water indefinitely, ie as long as its making money
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
could turn people off though. already the Dany plotline feels like it's in a holding pattern waiting for Westeros to be ready for her to invade.
― brio, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:30 (ten years ago) link
motivation is a problem, but the main issue with 4&5 is that originally they were supposed to be one book. then it got huge, so it became two. 4 came out in 2005, and he promised 5 was going to be out the following year. however, he got stuck getting all the people in Dany's plotline to where they were supposed to be and basically ripped it up and started again. since people were (obviously) annoyed that 5 took 6 years to come out, he's sworn to not give information on completion until the thing is actually with the publishers.
the key thing is that he knows where everyone is supposed to end up. 4 & 5 are essentially tying up loose ends from the first three and setting things up for the ending. I would imagine that whatever he's working on now is going to be both of the last two. he also has that encyclopaedia thing coming out late this year, so I would assume a release date sooner rather than later as that's meant to be pretty spoilery.
― gyac, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
xp tbh that's exactly how it feels in the books too. my first time reading the first 3 books i barely paid attention to her storyline since i was uninterested by how disconnected it was from everything else
― ciderpress, Monday, 5 May 2014 20:34 (ten years ago) link
my understanding is the MUTHA OF DWAGONS storyline was originally an unpublished short story that he integrated into the first book to add heft
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 May 2014 20:35 (ten years ago) link
like, to make the book actually weigh more?
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
cuz you know what this series really needs is filler
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
Oh man, the whole point of Cersei's scenes with Oberyn Martell and Margaery Tyrell (that she was trying to make nice with them in order to influence Tyrion's trial) initially went completely over my head. I had somehow forgotten that Mace Tyrell was the third judge. I should have known Cersei would never do anything to make her seem sympathetic without an ulterior motive!
― Dan I., Monday, 5 May 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link
Martin's situation sounds quite unpleasant (aside from being a good and successful author);he has been writing and editing quite a lot of other books and I'm sure a lot of people want him to drop everything else so he can finish the two last books as fast as possible; but you could easily lose enthusiasm if you're stuck to that story and spoil the ending if you rushed it. I wonder if he wants all his other Ice and Fire books out before he finishes the core series?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 5 May 2014 23:08 (ten years ago) link
the ending to this seems really obvious (dragons vs zombies, basically) is it really that hard to wrap shit up
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah I worry it's going to be like when stephen king wrapped up the dark tower series because he was afraid of dying, and it ended up being clumsily written bullshit.
― reddening, Monday, 5 May 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
I feel like I'm going to see this series' final editions written by a Reddit sub-board or something
― "got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 5 May 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
wait there's ~other~ books? "Core series?" what?
― gbx, Monday, 5 May 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
there's a whole series of novellas about two characters called The Dunk and Egg tales that takes place like 100 years or so before the ice and fire novels. and then there's a massive encyclopedia/history volume coming out soon. and i think there's some other novella-length history sorta thing out there?
― Clay, Monday, 5 May 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
I wonder how many other long running epics in are this situation? For me the comic Berserk by Miura(beginning 1989) is a classic example. It has really bad padding and overlong subplots but the main plot thread is total gold and it might be another decade before it finishes.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 5 May 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
Other Ice And Fire books are Princess And The Queen, Rogue Prince, Tales Of Dunk And Egg (3 books so far with quite a lot more planned, possibly as many as 12). All of these are novellas though.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 00:03 (ten years ago) link
despite his total insanity, the thought of bringing such a huge, complex project to completion makes me appreciate dave sim more
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 00:59 (ten years ago) link
Did you ever finish Cerebus?
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
i'm still working on it
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 01:18 (ten years ago) link
Tales of Dunk and Egg everybody
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 01:28 (ten years ago) link
I've finished Cerebus. The last couple of volumes are absolutely mad.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 12:08 (ten years ago) link
― Dan I., Tuesday, May 6, 2014 5:02 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark
At first I thought she was trying to bait Margaery into admitting that the Tyrells were behind Joffrey's murder
― 龜, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link
Kind of hoping that the TV show just devolves into a collection of comedic duos on the road - Hound and Arya, Brienne and Pod
― 龜, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
Also I know I bring this up every episode but I just can't anymore
http://i.imgur.com/TrYvXLa.gif
http://i.imgur.com/kPWK2IE.jpg
― 龜, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
I thought this was a good episode, with a few juicy developments. The fact that Dany's past 'liberations' are coming undone is interesting, and begins to put something of a new spin on the image of her as the great white liberator of dark-skinned people.
Great Arya and Hound stuff this week as well.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
I read that as a metaphor for US foreign policy and the aftermath of "liberations"/revolutions. It all seems so cut and dried when you get rid of the hated rulers but then there's the unexpected blowback and dangerous new forces rushing into the power vacuum. This thread is too big to load now so sorry if this has already been said.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
Or it might just be that those silly brown people need a firm hand to rule them.
I dunno I have zero faith in this series' politics, gender, racial or otherwise
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
good to know
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link
― Number None, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
I'm sort of hoping that the unravelling of Dany's liberation tour is a critique of that scene — "See! It was meant to be a parody of the White Messiah Complex all along!" — but that might be giving them too much credit.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
I think he is trying to do something more interesting with this series. This quote from his Rolling Stone interview is pretty salient:
Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
― schwantz, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
Good quotation, though he still has blind spots with regards to race and colonialism, among other things.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link
But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy?
let's ask George Lucas
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
quote is ludicrous, he seems to intentionally elide things Tolkien's explicit about (there are no orc babies, orcs are MADE)
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
lol shakey
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
(there are no orc babies, orcs are MADE)
this isn't completely true. Tolkien was pretty hazy about their origins but their are a couple of mentions of Orc children and Bolg and Azog are father and son
― Number None, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link
maybe I was thinking of the uruk-hai
anyway
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
I like GoT because it is not just another re-hash of "good v evil" or "forces of light vs darkness" fantasy tropes. It's chock-full of shades-of-grey characters, most of whom are acting out of self-interest, and Martin stirs that all together and attempts to play it all out. It ends up pretty cynical and depressing most of the time, but at least it feels more true than most fantasy.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
what an interesting quote. holding Tolkien accountable to historical reality is one thing, but doing so in the context of an equally fantastical story? not criticizing it so much as fascinated it. to what end is fantasy "realistic"???
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
What was Glinda the Good Witch's tax policy
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I suppose what Martin is getting at is something like a self-critiquing fantasy? something which exposes fantasy's inherent simplifications from within?
would be amazing if he followed through with this to the end.
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
dany's army and dragons land only to be decimated by smallpox or something.
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Dany turns to the camera and shrugs. Credits roll.
― Evan, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
I'm not saying all fantasy needs to be concerned with this stuff (it IS called "fantasy!"), but I like what he is trying to do.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
i would be just fine with dany's whole army taking a wrong turn at cucamonga and sailing off the edge of the world; i've avoided book spoilers but if we end up with a full season of DWAGONS vs WHOEVER HAS THE IRON THRONE i'm gonna get bored quick
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
My good man, there are a million ways to get bored, let GRRM show you them all.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:54 (ten years ago) link
*fastens a doublet*
― Clay, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
this show is the worst rn
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
*travels in a pair*
to what end is fantasy "realistic"???
To what end is any art anything? It's an avenue in the genre that GRRM perhaps hadn't seen satisfactorily explored before, and he's been pursuing it to often interesting effect.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 23:08 (ten years ago) link
it's "realistic" like Punisher MAX is realistic aka grim
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
yeah "realism" ehh just an excuse for more gore and boobs really. although I appreciate schwantz' need for moral ambiguity, I don't think that's unique to GRRM (Golem kind of the ur-text of morally ambiguous fantasy characters)
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link
http://undergroundmgzn.com/2014/04/15/man-ruins-game-thrones-series-novels-full-spoilers/
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link
^ guessing that contains spoilers??
― Dreamland, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 00:04 (ten years ago) link
Sub-Onion article, I apologize for wasting people's time.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 00:10 (ten years ago) link
The concept was funny, but clearly the actual Onion guys could've made it worth reading and made the headline a little less awkward.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 00:16 (ten years ago) link
Davos is the one true onion guy
― nashwan, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link
that's SER ONION GUY to you.
― ian, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
my fave grrm anti-fantasy trope is the wise gandalfian greybearded maesters all being gross traitors and pawns
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 03:37 (ten years ago) link
or at least the one in king's landing whose name i forget
Duracelle
― 龜, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
lol.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 03:45 (ten years ago) link
I think he is trying to do something more interesting with this series. This quote from his Rolling Stone interview is pretty salient:Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?― schwantz, Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― schwantz, Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i know what GRRM is saying here and ive definitely said things like this in the past but this manages to both misunderstand LOTR and elide the fact that there are a lot of socio-political-economic-historical questions that GRRM isnt asking either
― max, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 12:49 (ten years ago) link
that being said i think GRRM has probably found the best balance btwn great-man history and price-of-grain history to tell an effective epic fantasy saga for the late 20th/early 21st century
― max, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 12:50 (ten years ago) link
aragorn apparently based on old school king in the north king oswald of northumbria
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gJXoNOB8AGM/TjwHhOkjiqI/AAAAAAAAAgs/3qtcdqqOmbo/s1600/4855831753_c861feecb4.jpg
― ogmor, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 12:51 (ten years ago) link
Skipping the last couple bits of the thread because I'm two episodes behind, but there might be something to the self-defeating theory of killing your protagonists. The reason I'm behind is because my wife told me with a shrug she really has no interest in watching the show anymore (I'd been sitting on the eps for her). I guess that's what happens when you kill off your good guys, leave the other protagonists literally wandering the wilderness aimlessly, and stick the rest of the unpalatable bunch in these sort of dead-end, untenable positions. It's like a narrative cul-de-sac. The only moving part actually moving forward is the Dragon Lady, and frankly even she hasn't had much to do this season (that I've seen).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
Rob Stark and his mother were never the protagonists.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
Well, no. But they were the "good guys," and by default one's sympathies gravitated to them. Now the show's another Asshole Protagonist series, not even packed with Anti-heros (dwarf or maybe currently Hound aside). With the exception of Dany, but like I said, she's almost an afterthought so far this season; I think it's more than possible her story is what caught my wife's attention, and now why her attention has started to wane.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
The bit I could do without is Magic Bran's tedious quest for the three-eyed raven, which resembles a dud YA movie. I'm more interested in the state of the Lannister finances than mind-melding with wolves. I guess the cleverness of the show is that it gives you both and lets different elements appeal to different viewers.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
Everyone hates that storyline surely? At least it intersected with something good this week.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
the most interesting part of the series for me is reintroducing magic in a world where it had been lost or believed to be merely mythical. bran is a huge part of that, and i like his story, and am fine with it moving slowly at this point.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
I am interested in Bran because it feels like he and Arya Stark will be standing triumphantly in a high place at the end of the story. But maybe Martin would avoid the young rising hero thing because it is such a cliche (Frodo, Link, Harry Potter etc).
I would have thought that Tyrion and Arya were the crucial characters that people were rooting for, that would be the biggest risk with the audience if they were killed. Personally, Dany's story never really interested me much aside from the idea of her trying to take the throne. I'm quite fond of her bearded swordsman though.
I used to not like the Stannis segments until I grew to love Davos.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
I wish someone would go somewhere cool like Bravos or Dorne for a change. Been watching people trudge back and worth from King's Landing to the Wall and the Eyrie so many times now. My heart sank when Brie told Sancho Panza that their journey was going to take weeks.
― brio, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
Gotta save something for next season.
― brio, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
that's another reason i like the dany storlyine, essos is cooler than westeros. even if we don't get to see that much of it.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
are the dothraki even supposed to be part of her crew any more? do they disappear in the books too?
― brio, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
aren't there only like a dozen of them left or something? I can't even keep track of what happened to her Fabio-looking boyfriend from a few episodes ago
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
They replaced the actor.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
wait what
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
do they look completely different or something?
yeah he's the beardo now.
― ryan, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
ok lol that's ridiculous
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
i totally didn't get that was supposed to be the same dude
― brio, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
o.g actor went off to be in some new Transporter series
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, it's weird. Why didn't they make the new actor have some kind of similar hairstyle at the beginning to ease the transition? I think already said this upthread though.
― Evan, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
The OG Daario was one of the worst actors I've ever seen on TV, like a badly dubbed 70s Italian porn star. Thanks, Transporter, for sparing us.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/uhajW4i.jpg
And of course, compared to the description in the books:
http://media.tumblr.com/f2c344f851ea422afcbc98e7a23f786a/tumblr_inline_mn4nczr5rv1qz4rgp.jpg
― schwantz, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
xp i thought he was great for that exact reason
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
Yeah he had that grocery-store-romance-novel-cover look to him.
― Evan, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
yeah original guy was campy and totally great.
― ryan, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
show could use some (more) camp imo
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
lol yeah I loved OG Daario. At least he was memorable, and totally made Jorah look like a chump in comparison.
― Roz, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
new guy looks like a random dude from westeros which is the exact opposite of what the character is supposed to be like
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
exactly. I have no problem replacing actors if necessary but he's so off the mark for that character it's ridiculous
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
Fabio dude was great!
― brio, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it's more of a meta casting change, a comment on the shallowness of the contemporary hipster beardo. Also, I'm pretty sure I saw nu-Daario on Orphan Black last week.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
He was/is one of the main characters in Treme.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
and his character on Treme is indeed a hipster beardo
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
Holy crap, I was going to ask who that dude suddenly hanging out with Dany was but I figured I just wasn't paying attention.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
One of the buskers, right? (I stopped watching after 5 episodes.)
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link
He was good in Zwartboek.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
He was a busker in the first season, then a junkie then a fisherman. I think I stopped watching at the third season.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
he played a Jack White-esque producer/musician in Nashville. I find him distractingly handsome normally but he seems so out of place in GoT
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
He's doing an OK job as far as I'm concerned. It's more an issue of the decision to not make him look anything like what the character looked like last season.
― Evan, Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link
I mean they go through such lengths with sets and costume and everything to make everything as convincing as possible that it's strange that they wouldn't apply that same dedication to a casting change.
― Evan, Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
At least the old daario was a badass and somewhat of an interesting character.
This new guy picks flowers and follows her around like a lost puppy. Horrible.
― Dreamland, Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:32 (ten years ago) link
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-41665-Daario-Naharis-Deal-With-It-gi-sSxB.gif
― mizzell, Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link
new Daario looks a bit like that guy from Interpol. I had forgotten about what old Daario looked like. Neither of them have dyed blue beard prongs. It's maybe-not-too-interesting, but a bit interesting, that a couple of the female leads have dyed hair to fit their character descriptions but none of the men seem to
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:55 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I get the feeling that the previous dude's departure was rather abrupt and they just had no time.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 May 2014 03:06 (ten years ago) link
It only takes me the morning to shave.
― Evan, Thursday, 8 May 2014 03:08 (ten years ago) link
Dinklage's hair is dyed. Dany's brothers was too wasn't it?
― mizzell, Thursday, 8 May 2014 03:32 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, true, he was in the BBC Robin Hood tv show with dark hair
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 May 2014 10:23 (ten years ago) link
i agree that it's just weird that they didnt even bother to give him the same (no) facial hair
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 8 May 2014 13:25 (ten years ago) link
Maybe in the world of the show he just woke up one day and was a different guy, Lost Highway-style
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 May 2014 13:43 (ten years ago) link
The whole show is just the elaborate guilt-trip fantasy of some Westerosi convict
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 May 2014 13:44 (ten years ago) link
lost king's road
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 8 May 2014 13:48 (ten years ago) link
Directed by Davos Lynch
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 May 2014 13:49 (ten years ago) link
"I'm inside your keep."
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 8 May 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:43 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this has already happened on this show, Jaqen H'ghar style
― mizzell, Thursday, 8 May 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
It's all in the head of Ned Stark, a la Owl Creek.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 May 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
Still going to get beheaded, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 May 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
this is a particular hobbyhorse of mine but its insane to me that they have a DUTCH actor for new daario and they make him use an english/westerosi accent
― max, Thursday, 8 May 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
max, did you ever see that tv show Borgia? It was interesting in that the actors were from all over and accents varied widely
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 May 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
as if this show gives a fuck about accents when they have two separate families where nobody has the same accent
― gyac, Thursday, 8 May 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
^^^ yeah that is endlessly amusing to me
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 May 2014 20:29 (ten years ago) link
it gives just enough of a fuck that its bizarre that it doesnt just actually give a whole fuck
― max, Friday, 9 May 2014 01:18 (ten years ago) link
it rubs the lotion on its skin
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 9 May 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
this is why Aidan Gillen's ongoing meta-commentary on the essentially arbitrary nature of the accents in Game of Thrones is so ingenious
― Number None, Friday, 9 May 2014 07:59 (ten years ago) link
Now I wish McNulty would make an appearance
― 龜, Friday, 9 May 2014 08:00 (ten years ago) link
he was their first choice for Mance Rayder!
― Clay, Friday, 9 May 2014 08:47 (ten years ago) link
Not to derail too much, but I recently saw the film Grand Budapest Hotel, and one thing I appreciated about it was that even though it was about some imaginary eastern European country, they made absolutely zero effort to give the various actors some kind of pseudo European accents. American actors spoke with American accents, British actors with British accents, etc. I was struck by how unusual it is for a movie to do this and how compelled directors are to impose some kind of accent logic that rarely holds up under scrutiny.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:21 (ten years ago) link
Accent logic in Thrones is o_O not because people from Dorn speak with really obviously Spanish accents and people from Winterfell have vaguely northern accents (on the whole), but because people who grew up in the same town or even within the same family have wildly different ways of speaking.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link
Did I ever tell you guys about the weird little daydream I had about Tyrion Lannister looking at a picture of himself and remarking faintly 'Peter Dinklage...'
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link
It's just the way Lubitsch used to do it
― Number None, Friday, 9 May 2014 13:44 (ten years ago) link
That reminds me of universal monster films where they didn't even establish a proper time and region, I quite liked that mishmash. Although Draculas Daughter has some Scottish characters played by Americans who give up very early even trying to maintain an accent.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 9 May 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
i know it's been discussed before - but were there hints of Littlefeather's Scottish-ish(?) accent before this season?
Was there a logic to it coming on in force now? Like now that he's out of King's Landing he can speak freely? But then he grew up with the Tully's, and none of them talk like that.
― brio, Friday, 9 May 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
i think the actor just has a hard time with accents seriously.
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 May 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link
Aidan Gillen is Irish.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 9 May 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
should have just stuck with his Wire accent
― brio, Friday, 9 May 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
I would be game to see more of the Wire cast on this show anyhow.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 9 May 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
Lester particularly
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 9 May 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
Snoop.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 9 May 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
"How my hair look, Bran?"
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 9 May 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
I love Annie from Treme to be in this. Maybe she'd dress the same as when she played violin in Jethro Tull.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 9 May 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
let's change the thread title to Accent Talk
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 May 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
Could be a Talking Dead-style aftershow, all the latest accent rumours and fan theories about accents.
― brio, Friday, 9 May 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, May 9, 2014 12:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 9 May 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
I got the weird shadow ghost thing, you got the king's guard, it's all in the game, yo
― sarahell, Friday, 9 May 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
I think the accent thing is deliberate ("acting!"), that he's tryna get in deep to the LF character and that he's just made a hash of it because his motivations are known only to him
or he just sucks. but srsly, it's not even remotely the same, you'd think someone would've delicately pointed it out
― gbx, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHIykid21j4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
― Dreamland, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
I never thought he sounded English in s1 though? It just sounded like a more neutralised version off his natural accent (he doesn't have a really strong accent though).
Easily his worst accent moment was this scene at 2.19, awful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4bOa_WD0nE
― gyac, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
I'm just curious - would some Britishes like to break down all the different characters accents
― famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 May 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
max did, pretty much a year to the dayhttp://gawker.com/what-is-going-on-with-the-accents-in-game-of-thrones-485816507
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 May 2014 21:32 (ten years ago) link
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― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 May 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah I'm going to call bs on that article
Roose Bolton is a northman through and through, but uses an actorly RP accent as played by Michael McElhatton, who's Irish.
lolno
― gyac, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
It's just a vaguely threatening version of McElhatton's normal accent, no?
― Number None, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
pretty much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1xxqPE4I4g
― gyac, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link
not mention of Conleth Hill AKA Varys who is a proper Nordie in real life
― Number None, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
he and Michelle Fairley are from the same small town iirc
― gyac, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
One of my favorite claims is that the actors in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" apparently hail from such radically different places in Asia that for Chinese speakers it was like watching an American movie where one actor had a Boston accent, another Texas, another New York, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 May 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
Michelle Yeoh's Mandarin is unintelligible in CTHD.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 9 May 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link
oh there's also Jack Gleeson who's from Cork (but bears the mark of his south Dublin schooling) and plays Joffrey as a generic English posho
― Number None, Friday, 9 May 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, May 9, 2014 5:54 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what an unimaginable scenario
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 9 May 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
trying to picture a movie where one actor has a boston accent and another has a new york accent and the cognitive dissonance is just too much
If they're all supposed to be from the same family, then it would be disctracting.
― nickn, Friday, 9 May 2014 22:52 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, sorry, I meant like in a movie where it would stick out for no reason.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 May 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
There is way more linguistic variation in China, to the point where two people can be from different towns only separated by a few miles, but will be mutually unintelligible to each other
― 龜, Friday, 9 May 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
like actually truly unintelligible or like "naive midwesterner hearing a really, really thick scottish accent for the first time" unintelligible
― gbx, Saturday, 10 May 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link
Truly unintelligible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Chinese
Min is usually described as one of seven or ten groups of Chinese dialects but has greater dialectal diversity than any of the other groups. The varieties used in neighbouring counties, and in the mountains of western Fujian even in adjacent villages, are often mutually unintelligible.[2]
Of course these days everybody understands basic Mandarin, especially the young kids
But most people still speak their local dialect first and Mandarin second
It's changing though w/ the younger generation and I think more & more parents are emphasizing Mandarin
― 龜, Saturday, 10 May 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link
There was a study that showed that linguistic variation increased as you went South in China
That's because Southern China is extremely mountainous and it'd be hard to make it from one village to another w/o hiking many days & c
People'd stay in their lil villages and talk to each other and make up cool new words
The North is all relatively similar like Dongbei people have their own 'dialect' but it's pretty much the same as Mandarin
That's cause all that separates Dongbei and Beijing is a big flat plain that you can gallop across!
― 龜, Saturday, 10 May 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
i wanna chill in the mountains and make up cool new words
― gbx, Saturday, 10 May 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
there was once a Coen Brothers movie set in a part of Arizona that was seemingly inhabited entirely by people from Kentucky
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Saturday, 10 May 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
One video of Lucia Micarelli (Annie from Treme) in Jethro Tull covering a Led Zeppelin tune. She doesn't look Game Of Thronesy.
Here's the trailer for Treacle Jr, the Aidan Gillen film I mentioned upthread. The trailer isn't great but I like the film... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPKpq3UoEx0
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 May 2014 22:22 (ten years ago) link
― gyac, Friday, May 9, 2014 5:39 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is this not right? what's mcelhatton's accent?
― max, Sunday, 11 May 2014 12:27 (ten years ago) link
man shay is a bummer
― building a desert (art), Monday, 12 May 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link
That Yara, such a well-mannered lady, sez thanks to the guard for leading them to Theon before cutting his throat.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:00 (ten years ago) link
who is tyrion going to fight?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:24 (ten years ago) link
i would guess kings guard, so jaimie?
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:28 (ten years ago) link
dunno who but that was an awesome ending.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:53 (ten years ago) link
I heard something that Yara (Theon's sister, can't remember if that's right) going after Theon was a deviation from the novels and if that's how they're going to deviate then ugh it's so pointless.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:54 (ten years ago) link
The way that scene works is unintentional slapstick.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 12 May 2014 06:07 (ten years ago) link
yeah good ep but the notion of ironborn hightailing it over a couple of dogs and shirtless ramsay bolton was just weird. also the notion that he could go toe to toe with anyone who wasn't already tied to a cross.
was i missing something there?
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 12 May 2014 06:36 (ten years ago) link
you are correct, in the books she doesn't really give much of a shit about him. I was irritated by the way they changed it.
― sarahell, Monday, 12 May 2014 09:18 (ten years ago) link
I guess it was just to show how completely in thrall 'Reek' is to Ramsay Snow, but it was a clumsy way of doing that.
Other than that, absolutely top notch episode.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 12 May 2014 12:30 (ten years ago) link
Well, she didn't have a lot of men with her. I was hoping she gave up on saving Theon after seeing him but is now ready for war?
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 12:37 (ten years ago) link
i would guess kings guard, so jaimie? --sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu)
From earlier seasons - can't he ask for a volunteer to stand in his place? Or is this case different in some way?
― building a desert (art), Monday, 12 May 2014 12:43 (ten years ago) link
Surely it's the guy who has been traiing jamie and is the only one that knows he can't fight?
― Popture, Monday, 12 May 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
When Oberyn said 'I have an ear for accents' I really wanted Littlefinger to show up.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 12 May 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
re shae's acting ability - i found it impossible to read any subtlety or nuance into her testimony in this last ep. was she angry that tyrion harry and the hendersoned her? was she being threatened? bribed for her testimony? who knows! everything she says she delivers w/ the same monotone.
― Mordy, Monday, 12 May 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I was expecting to detect some emotion underneath her testimony, too. I'm saving any disappointment with her performance until I learn what her motivation was. In case that matters.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
― Popture, Monday, May 12, 2014 10:08 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bronn. Not sure if he'll do that for him AGAIN
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
Fight for him that is. I initially misread your post
xxp I read the monotone awkwardness of Shae's testimony as her reciting a story someone else fed to her. But then again, that actress has given a lot of awkward monotone line reads.
Why does Varys testify against Tyrion? What's his motivation there? All the other witnesses had some kind of grudge, but I can't recall that Varys does.
My guess for what's next is that Tyrion will again choose Jaime as his champion in combat because there's no way Tywin would let Jaime get killed.
Whatever happened to Gendry? Is he just row-boating in circles?
― zchyrs, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
"I read the monotone awkwardness of Shae's testimony as her reciting a story someone else fed to her."
Yeah but she also threw in a lot of personal digs
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
I get if Varys is just trying to get points, but he didn't have to mention that he thought maybe Tyrion was sympathetic to the northern cause...
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
oh boy now we get TWO trials
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
until I learn what her motivation was.
― gyac, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
If someone was making her say it, you'd expect her to show some pain delivering the testimony. If her primary motivation was that she is pissed at Tyrion anyway to the point that maybe she volunteered to be a witness (maybe! she was devastated so she hates him now possibly) than it's more understandable that the delivery was totally cold and detached.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
So that's why I'm saving the criticism until I learn which or if it's a combination of both etc
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
what? why would she show pain? who would possibly care? the people who are forcing her and who are controlling whether she lives or dies, given the whole thing is blatantly rigged?
― gyac, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:52 (ten years ago) link
she threw in some between her and Tyrion personal digs, too. She was extremely dedicated to him despite the danger of it that she acknowledged, so you would think there'd be some difficulty just completely fucking him over that you would of heard in her voice.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link
why would there be difficulty when the choice between supporting someone who's been set up to lose and refusing means her death? It's not like anyone there doubted how much Tyrion's own family wanted him dead, so where would be the benefit in testifying for him? she's been positioned as someone interested in her own survival since the beginning.
― gyac, Monday, 12 May 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link
I'm only saying she'd show some remorse underneath what she is forced to say. That's what I mean by difficult. I'm not saying she would say anything different (except maybe she wouldn't have humiliated him during it as much)
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
I wasn't advocating she would support him instead or something. So I'll judge the acting once I learn how the Shae character actually feels about Tyrion.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
I think you missed the scene in a previous episode where he called her a useless whore in an attempt to drive her from Kings' Landing and she lost her shit.
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
I remember that, she'd be heart-broken and betrayed but maybe still conflicted? Their dedication to each other wouldn't necessarily be totally wiped away. Her delivery was so cold in the testimony but you'd expect a little remorse to show through, no?
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Did you miss all of the rage episodes leading up to that where she'd demand that he acknowledge her and he'd deflect because it would be too dangerous for her and she took it as him not valuing her as woman?
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
True! So yeah maybe she's completely over him. But right before he broke up with her, in that same scene, she was pretty crazy about him still. That's all.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link
If there's one thing I think the show has done well, it's the planting of the seeds of discord in the Tyrion/Shae relationship; I don't see how, given the brutality of the rejection he landed on her combined with all of the perceived and real slights on their relationship and her status that have been going on, anyone would expect someone as steely and unbending as Shae to dissolve into a sentimental weepy mess when faced with the opportunity to give back the pain and rejection she's been taking pretty much since they set foot in King's Landing.
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:23 (ten years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, May 12, 2014 10:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Again, this^ I was looking for nuance to clue me in as well. Despite how obvious it may be to anyone else in here?
sentimental weepy mess would have been overkill. I was looking for some dimension.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
The nuance could have been anger, that's fine too.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
You say nuance, but complain that she's under-acting?
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
No I'm saying I don't know if she's underacting until I learn how the character feels for real.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
I was hoping some nuance would have clued me in. But I'm not entirely sure, maybe Tyrion is truly dead to her.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
DJP otm
And Evan, seriously, at some point you have to acknowledge the difference between what you WANT for a character vs how the character, *as written*, would behave given the circumstances
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
my only complaint is really about the quality of Sibel Kekilli's acting + particularly her line-readings. i can obviously understand the character's motivations just from the context of the script to date. just bc her motivations are transparent doesn't mean she sold it in the performance.
― Mordy, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
I don't want anything from the character! I was just looking for some subtle information in her delivery.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
I was psyched for Bravos but wasn't happy to see Mark Gattis doing the negotiations. I expected some spice-guild weirdos with crazy hats.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
I'm getting the feeling that Varys is playing the long game - stoking the fires on Lannister self-destruction to set the stage for the return of Targaryen rule. Does Varys just want to get rid of Tyrion because he knows lil dude is the only one of the Lannisters who is wise and compassionate and potentially a good leader; by getting rid of Dinklage he's just removing a check on Cersei's potential to be bad and hated, maybe?
― brio, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
I dunno, the "I never forget" thing seemed like it signalled he still had something up his sleeve
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 May 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
I expected some spice-guild weirdos with crazy hats.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion),
Yeah I'm not a fan of how they tone down some of the more lunatic fashions from the books. Where are all the elaborate winged hairdos in Meereen?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
This! Man, white people are everywhere.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 12 May 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
Still undecided about the extent to which this in aid of a potential Targaryen return, I hadn't considered that angle so much as just Varys wanting to destabilize the Lannisters more generally for his own ends, whatever they may be - the Targaryen thing is as plausible as anything else I suppose.
But yeah I think this is a very solid reading of Varys's actions here. Dude is clearly a shrewd judge of character and obviously it wasn't a coincidence at all that they chose to remind the viewer of that earlier quote from him about Tyrion's heroism. Also him and Tyrion always seem to have got along well enough, or at least demonstrated a certain mutual respect. The ambiguity "Unfortunately I never forget a thing" - "unfortunately" in this case because he's actually genuinely sorry that he's helped to knobble Tyrion in this ridiculous show-trial, but needs must, greater good etc.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 12 May 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
Greater good aka good for Varys despite anyone else.
― Evan, Monday, 12 May 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
xpostYeah maybe pegging it to Targaryens is premature - just giving him credit for being the dude who would know dragonlady's on the rise.
He could just be getting ahead could be other stuff like Iron Bank coming down on the Lannisters or Littlefinger's own anti-Lannister long game.
― brio, Monday, 12 May 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
Team Varys
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 12 May 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
whatever the direct motivation, makes sense that Varys would want to take Tyrion out just because T is someone who is perceptive and clued-in enough to be a potential problem to him in the future
― brio, Monday, 12 May 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
I love Shae's accent. She can't act, but I like hearing her try.
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Monday, 12 May 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
Shae is a really tedious character in the book too. It would be nice if Sibel Kekilli had more emotional range, but the part is pretty limited.
― polyphonic, Monday, 12 May 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
I get that Shae is mad at Tyrion and it's been building, but her making up a bunch of shit with the intention of getting him murdered seems a bit much. I think she has to have been coached/threatened/etc.
Man this thread is a pain in the ass to load. Too much to ask to get a new thread for Season 5 when the time is right?
― Walter Galt, Monday, 12 May 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link
I'm probably repeating myself, but, accepting for different strokes & folks, I wonder why we're focusing so much on Sibel Kekilli's acting when Kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke have much higher profile roles and are outright terrible.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 12 May 2014 22:32 (ten years ago) link
I think shae is by far the worst
― Mordy, Monday, 12 May 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
I found it odd that Varys hinted at having ambitions to get to the throne, I thought he always wanted to stay in the background. Wonder if we'll ever see the ambitions of the old man who said extravagant bullshit praise for Joffrey that must have made the whole room cringe?
Would be funny if the show ended with a war between Varys and Littlefinger.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 May 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
Harrington might not be the most charismatic in the show but I never felt he screwed up any scenes.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 May 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link
He screws up any scene where his mouth hangs open as though he were the simple stable boy.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 12 May 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I never got the impression that Varys wanted the throne - that's where the danger is, and you can have more power in the backgroud.
Emilia Clarke have much higher profile roles and are outright terrible.
>:(
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Monday, 12 May 2014 22:54 (ten years ago) link
I've been thinking about making a thread about acting (unless there is one already) because I'm rarely that bothered by many performances in anything (bad scripts are more of a common problem). Not saying anyone is necessarily wrong about these actors but I think it makes sense that not all characters be totally magnetic (although I would enjoy that; sometimes I thought Oz had an unrealistically high number of fascinating characters, but several things about the show weren't supposed to be completely realistic), I see plenty of people in real life who are kind of monotone and awkward in a way you rarely see in films/tv, and people with weird wavering accents. In fact I sometimes hear people say things that might be written off as unrealistic dialogue. I remember Chuck Palahniuk saying you often need to tone fiction down because people will find the real events they are based on too far fetched. I've heard a lot about the books being way way more brutal and nasty but I think even the real world in medieval times was probably way more hellish and undignified than that.
I remember a review of the American Splendor film where the critic said that you'd never believe a real person acts like the actor who plays Harvey's geeky friend until you actually see the real guy later on.
Hasn't our ideas of realism been screwed up by stories?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 May 2014 23:16 (ten years ago) link
But for me, this is like being that paralyzed kid in Game of Thrones who does the Undertaker thing with his eyes and can suddenly see whatever his pet wolf sees.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 12 May 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link
― Robert Adam Gilmour
Well stories are under no obligation to be realistic imo, but that's probably another thread.
I found it odd that Varys hinted at having ambitions to get to the throne, I thought he always wanted to stay in the background.
I thought his indicating the throne didn't mean the throne per se, more the concept of power.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 12 May 2014 23:59 (ten years ago) link
Plus he wasn't necessarily being truthful to Oberyn. I actually see Varys as being one of the less self-interested people in King's Landing, though of course I could be wrong.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
He's very much interested in preserving his own life, but as far as the usual trappings of power that the other main players chase, he seems to have little appetite for that.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link
I don't see Varys' testimony as a power play so much as self-preservation. He wanted to help Ned the way he wants to help Tyrion, but only behind the scenes. Once their problems get too public, he joins the dominant side.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link
varys is the best. would say roose has a slight irish softness to his accent but it's fairly RPish, don't know what gyac is on about
― ogmor, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
Shae was pretty obviously angry with Tyrion but clearly being threatened / leant on by the most powerful people in King's Landing. Remember they thought they'd got her on the boat and someone clearly stopped that.
Trial scene was awesome, who didn't feel Tyrion's fury at that point? The Theon story on the other hand is the most boring that doesn't involve Bran.
The Iron Bank scene seemed to be foreshadowing that Tywin will die at some point soon and then the Lannisters are boned, especially without Tyrion around.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 07:11 (ten years ago) link
Ok but RP has a specific meaning, it doesn't just mean "generic posh accent". McElhatton sounds posh, but posh from South Dublin, not David Cameron.
Varys has actually been clear on this point in the series, I thought? He's a foreign spymaster who relies on his information being credible to survive, and he has literally no reason whatsoever to take Tyrion's side without putting himself in the firing line. He's always been upfront about the fact that he has to rely on himself.
― gyac, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 11:24 (ten years ago) link
iirc Varys was the only witness to tell the truth and hardly a revelatory one (Tyrion demonstrated sympathy for the plight of the Starks clearly enough even before marrying Sansa)
did they imprison Bronn and that's why he wasn't at the trial?
― nashwan, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 12:03 (ten years ago) link
Maybe Bron's lying low to avoid being forced to testify.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 12:10 (ten years ago) link
Pretty sure that if Tyrion gets out of there then it'll be with Varys's help. The whole thing is basically a battle between Varys and Littlefinger isn't it?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 12:34 (ten years ago) link
Varys actually walked a very fine line throughout that whole testimony, it was mentioned a couple of episodes ago that Tywin had already got to him, he basically fulfilled the minimum standard for nobbled prosecution witness and no more, and his answer to Tyron's question was highly ambiguous.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 12:36 (ten years ago) link
I wish Varys was an ILX moderator. He would have created a new thread for each season. He's a details guy.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 12:51 (ten years ago) link
I have 2 hanging questions about Varys from last episode:1) did the "unfortunately I remember everything" commment to Tyrion refer to something specific? Trying to remember if Tyrion ever intentionally fucked Varys over. Their last big scene was that weird one where Varys had the evil wizard in a crate. Trying to recall if there's a clue there. Or is it more coded - Varys saying yes, I do remember that you saved King's Landing from invasion and being a right-on Hand of the King, and I can't have you around pulling dope moves like that and messing up my game.
Then again - excellent point that he was truthful and did the bare minimum to stay on Cersei's good side. All he testified to was stuff Tyrion said in front of the whole small council, so if he has to make nice with Tyrion later he can always say he didn't tell them anything he didn't already know.
2) When Varys gestures toward the Iron Throne after saying lack of desire has left him free to pursue other things. I read this as him just saying he's just interested in power and controlling who takes the throne through machinations, not that he has any illusions he could be King himself... that much seems pretty clear. But it does imply a more active role than just self-preservation and allying himself with whoever has the advantage. I think Varys and Littlefinger (in tandem or in opposition) are looking to take the Lannisters out - but neither stands a chance of holding the throne themselves, so who are they looking to put into power when Tommen's head reaches its natural home on the end of a spike?
― brio, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 13:52 (ten years ago) link
**Varys didn't tell them anything they (the Small council) didn't already know.
― brio, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
also now that the trial episode has aired, I can link this nonsense.
― gyac, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
Oberyn gets better and better with every episode
― 龜, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
Seeing a lot of praise for Tyrion's final speech but all it made me think of was this tweet
@AGentleBreesHarvard Law: Final Exam. 8) If the Judge says "I find the defendant guilty" then you yell "OF BEING INNOCENT" do you think this would work
― 龜, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
Or is it more coded - Varys saying yes, I do remember that you saved King's Landing from invasion and being a right-on Hand of the King, and I can't have you around pulling dope moves like that and messing up my game.
I definitely side with this reading more, though I wouldn't say it's coded per se. More like, "You were a decent man, but the tide's against you, and for my own sake, I have to roll with it, to my own chagrin."
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
oh also - who is the bad man in a castle that Roose is going to use Theon to take out? I'm a bit confused as to Boulton ambitions at this point.
― brio, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
i meant Ramsay, not Roose
― brio, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
I think the exact details don't matter at this point; takeaway is that they want Theon to lead a mission for them.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
probably theon's dad.. I can see the boltons trying to carve out a chunk of the north for themselves now that there's a power vacuum
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
Didn't Roose express the need to gain access to certain areas the iron islands held atm, which is why he was pissed at Ramsey for going as far as flaying Theon? So now Ramsey is going to solve the problem using an undercover Reek instead of a hostage Theon.
― Evan, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link
Oh, the "certain areas" is moat cailin
― Evan, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
Also,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxSXGaH79Yk&feature=youtu.be
did the "unfortunately I remember everything" commment to Tyrion refer to something specific? Trying to remember if Tyrion ever intentionally fucked Varys over. Their last big scene was that weird one where Varys had the evil wizard in a crate. Trying to recall if there's a clue there. Or is it more coded - Varys saying yes, I do remember that you saved King's Landing from invasion and being a right-on Hand of the King, and I can't have you around pulling dope moves like that and messing up my game.
Nah it was more "I do remember it and I regret that I have to fuck you over here. There's a scene from the last season where Varys is saying to one of the Tyrells (I think) that Tyrion is basically the one hope for King's Landing.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
Ah here we go:
Varys is later present when the Small Council discusses the Red Wedding. He doesn't bother to hide his disgust when Joffrey announces his intention to serve Robb Stark's severed head to Sansa at his wedding. He also looks visibly nervous when Joffrey lashes out at Tywin and accuses him of hiding in Casterly Rock while Robert Baratheon did all the real work in the War of the Usurper. Later that day, Varys seeks out Shae and tells her that Tyrion is the last hope for the current regime, but Shae is a liability that Tyrion and the realm cannot afford. He offers her a pouch of diamonds with which to start a new life in the Free Cities, but she declines.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
BTW why did Ramsay show up to the dungeon covered in blood? Was insinuation that he was into S&M or that he killed the girl
― 龜, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
i kind of rolled my eyes at the beginning of that sequence so i went to the kitchen and just assume she was cutting him when i saw him turn up bloody like that.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:07 (ten years ago) link
There was a scene you missed where he slipped on his shirt and fell into a cactus. It was pretty funny.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:40 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, that's "prickle plant" in Westerosi parlance
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:41 (ten years ago) link
Scratchthorn
― 龜, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
Lord Scratchthorn wasn't in this ep
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:46 (ten years ago) link
Hope they include the pie juggling scene from book five though, hands down best scene in the books
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:48 (ten years ago) link
GUYS THERE IS A SPOILER THREAD ELSEWHERE.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:58 (ten years ago) link
Oh c'mon when Lord Scratchthorn drops the pie and out comes the shadow kitten my jaw dropped and I cried
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 06:17 (ten years ago) link
Ser Pounce keeps trying to eat Lord Scratchthorn to settle his stomach. Then throws up on the bathroom mat ON PURPOSE I swear.
― Evan, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 19:17 (ten years ago) link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/13/game-of-thrones-sibel-kekilli-discusses-shae-s-treachery-at-the-trial-of-tyrion-lannister.html
― Evan, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 19:20 (ten years ago) link
I'm rewatching season one again and just picked up on that Jora is the night watch Lord Commander's son. whoa
― Dreamland, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
Taunts by the Meerenese champion:
Byjan vavi demble eva o, trezy eme verdje espo jimi! Oa mysa iles me nýnyghi, si oa kiba tuziles espo tomistos!“I fart in your general direction, son of a window-dresser! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!”
Já si hojgá oa gundja, trezy eme mero dovodedha!“Go and boil your bottom, son of a silly person!”
Kiman nya másina orvorta va oi sodjistos!“I wave my private parts at your aunties!”
Do eban av kimívagho dombo, o doru-borto pame espo gruzi evi havor espo begistos!“I don’t want to talk to you no more you empty-headed animal food trough wiper!”
Ghorgan ji pungo va o, nynta Dare espo Zaldrizes, o si une oi dovodedhi, Vesterozi azzzzzantys.“I blow my nose at you, so-called Dragon Queen, you and all your silly Westerosi kaniggets!”
― panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Thursday, 15 May 2014 07:48 (ten years ago) link
littlefinger confirmed for switching accents mid sentence. homeboy sounds confused about how he should talk
― building a desert (art), Monday, 19 May 2014 01:54 (ten years ago) link
scene hadn't ended as I was typing. ick times a million
― building a desert (art), Monday, 19 May 2014 01:55 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that was definitely an icky moment, but this is a show that really traffics in icky moments.
I was glad to see Hot Pie again. Sort of comforting to know that in the midst of all this blood and chaos, he's just been chilling at the tavern making kidney pies and pontificating about gravy.
― zchyrs, Monday, 19 May 2014 02:14 (ten years ago) link
Did they change the actor for the Mountain?
Who was that dude?
― Dreamland, Monday, 19 May 2014 03:33 (ten years ago) link
They've had three actors play the part of the Mountain now.
Brienne made a joke!
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 19 May 2014 03:51 (ten years ago) link
Really?This was the last one I remember
http://media.tumblr.com/34868e8724fe76a2197c0ef2c355faba/tumblr_inline_mgskyabpT81r8lpsh.jpg
― Dreamland, Monday, 19 May 2014 03:55 (ten years ago) link
He was #1. Number two was a really skinny guy. Now we're on the third.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 19 May 2014 04:00 (ten years ago) link
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120402121948/gameofthrones/images/0/06/Gregor_Viewer%27s_Guide.jpg
this was season 2 gregor
― Clay, Monday, 19 May 2014 04:02 (ten years ago) link
Third guy is way too young to be believable as the Hound's older brother...
Second guy was just way too skinny.
First guy was perfect in every way. Should have brought him back...
― Evan, Monday, 19 May 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
third gregor
http://37.media.tumblr.com/98f044278c4b3894dadf2efbd1c5881e/tumblr_n2t2r52JI61rtj3g0o1_1280.jpg
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 May 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
Two weeks!
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 19 May 2014 05:08 (ten years ago) link
Well played, Veg.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 19 May 2014 05:12 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 May 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
this Dornish fellow, I like him. p sure he is going to die but you gotta respect how far he'll go for vengeance
note to self: scrap moondoor plans
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 May 2014 05:19 (ten years ago) link
Liked the Beckett-esque discussion with the dying peasant about going on living out of habit.
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Monday, 19 May 2014 09:59 (ten years ago) link
Hound and Arya scenes all gold this week. All season in fact.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 19 May 2014 12:13 (ten years ago) link
Daario most unconvincing lover man ever
I think he was quivering
― 龜, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
"Nothing is not better nor worse, it's just nothing."
This narrows down a point I always try to make about how death isn't really ever a "solution" for personal suffering when philosophical conversations bring me there.
― Evan, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
Transition from Waiting for Godot into actual zombie survival movie not appreciated
― 龜, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
i liked that line, but mostly because she said "Nothing is not better or worse than anything" which somehow puts it into a kind of ontological tailspin.
― ryan, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link
Felt so bad for the Hound, cause I remembered that David Lee of the Golden State Warriors almost died because somebody bit his elbow and it got infected
― 龜, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
David Lee of the Golden State Warriors Lockhart/Gardner
Man, Sunday nights are getting confusing up in here.
What was the point of the Melisandre scene other than to show off her talent(s)?
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link
daughter stuff i think
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
Probably something about burning kings' blood
― 龜, Monday, 19 May 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link
I have such an ethereal crush on carice van houten (mostly bc of her witch in Black Death, tbh)
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
Why wouldn't the hound allow her to heat a sword and cauterize it that way - no fire!
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
IANAD, of course.
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
He is on "the list" so that might be a stupid move.
― Evan, Monday, 19 May 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
I really enjoyed Emilia Clarke's line read on "Take off your clothes". I've been muttering it to myself in her Madonna-esque accent all morning.
Take off yur klothez
― polyphonic, Monday, 19 May 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
disappointed to see that the actor who plays hot pie has deleted his tweet demanding the murder/execution of jon venables, believe it closed w/ "maybe then I wouldn't be so angry"
I like the prince of dorn, a horny good guy I can get behind
― ogmor, Monday, 19 May 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
more like prince of horn amirite
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 May 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
I was so tense during that last scene, like I knew someone was going to go flyin' through the moon door but couldn't quite decide who
― kinder, Monday, 19 May 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
Disappointing he didn't go full Taffin and end with "maybe you shouldn't be living heeeeeeeeeeeeere!".
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 19 May 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
ha, yeah, this might be the only truly chill scene in the entire series.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:38 (ten years ago) link
lady mcwitchtits seemed pretty chill in that bath, getting her calgon on
― balls, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link
yet she's too creepy to really make a scene chill
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
I wonder how they break down the writing gigs because the dialogue in the scene with Arya, the Hound and the dying man can't be by the same people who write the Essos or Night's Watch scenes. That whole exchange about death was on another level. "Nothing isn't better or worse than anything. Nothing is just nothing."
Littlefinger's accent is one of the show's seven wonders. "What shall it be today? Johnson from Peep Show? Rob Brydon caught between impersonations? A Welshman trying to sound Irish? An Irishman trying to sound Welsh? Why not all of them? Yeeeeesss."
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:19 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Monday, May 19, 2014 11:26 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
this was a horrible re-cast
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:49 (ten years ago) link
he really is shit.
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:52 (ten years ago) link
this guy is on orphan black doing much the same role, right?
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link
daario v.1 definitely seemed to have a sinister edge that this guy is lacking. He reminds me more of Ellis from Die Hard (Daenerys! Bubby! I'm your white knight!) than a dangerous sellsword with nebulous motives.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
al leong, everything reminds you of something from Die Hard
― 龜, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
; )
― 龜, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
Daario v1 had crazy eyes and iirc a cool ponytail, Daario v2 has a nice recipe for baked apple fritters that he got from his grandma
― 龜, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
haha it's true
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
Daario v2 wants to know if you have any questions about our deals on flatscreens here at Best Buy.
― Evan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
when Daario v2 pissed on the ground after defeating the opposing champion, he was also extinguishing glowing ash from the previous night's campfire, as he noted that the dry conditions and strong winds in the area amplified the potential for brushfires
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
ha he is on orphan black!
― akm, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
he is so generic and personality free I didn't realize it was the same person
― akm, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
daario 1 had that uber-douchey super confidence that women are viscerally repelled by but also ultimately can't resist (fyi).
― ryan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
Daario v2 is a known master of knife throwing, famous for having won many tournaments all over the land.
But you should see what he can do with an ultimate frisbee.
― Evan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link
http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/tv/2014-04-04/c64caf50-bba1-11e3-ab6a-a567d1fa47dc_Michiel-Huisman-split.jpg
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link
rolling fedora 811
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
he... he looks like a male version of my sister-in-law's partner
― hella good Jewish homies (DJP), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/rocking-stickman-smiley-emoticon.gifhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFdYlTXluJMhttp://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/airbass182/th_misc337.gif
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link
The mark of a great actor!
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
like a blank canvas
― Evan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/FVWPj4H.jpg
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
That scene was pretty clunkily written, yes.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:21 (ten years ago) link
Lol @ lady mcwitchtits
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
yeah, the whole I'M GONNA HIT YOU NOW BECAUSE YOU KNOCKED OVER MY SNOWCASTLE after years of being debased by a real baby sadist rang hella false
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
If they'd written it more as her venting years of frustration against an easy target that would've been OK.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
yeah, exactly! it was right there!tbf, the actress playing sansa is not spectacular.
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
that was probably the intent but i think what failed in that scene wasn't the writing as much as the directing and via that the acting.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
how much actual time is supposed to have passed between the beginning of season 1 and now? because arya is about 5'9" now.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
I think two years at least.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
I'm not sure it's ever made entirely clear how they mark the passing of years in Westeros (and I've read the books!). Are there like mini seasons on top of the years-long summers and winters?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
I think it's the writing that got messed up, because:
in that same chapter little robert arryn comes along with his doll and starts destroying her snow castle, like the little jerk that he is. So Sansa in an attempt to stop him grabs the doll and accidentally rips it head off
The accumulated trauma idea could've been pulled off, but that's the responsibility of the writing and at the discretion of the direction/editing. As is, everything happened so quickly (like they were antsy to get to The Kiss) that any motivating factor got shortchanged.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
i think w/that exact dialogue you could have shown sansa kinda getting worked up a bit more, or differently, making it clear that it's really about something else entirely, and making her apology play like her snapping out of it, rather than this sort of generic bratty kid and exasperated girl thing that plays like a dumb overreaction.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
The look on Lysa's face after Fingerbang says "I have only loved one woman" is gonna haunt my nightmares forever
― "got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
Has "Fingerbang" always talked out the side of his mouth like Popeye?
― Evan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
stroke is coming
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
Xp the cadence of his voice is that of a man who has been directed to change how he talks so many times that he's forgotten what human speech should sound like
― building a desert (art), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link
http://ninjanomers.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/rickybobby.jpg
Like this kind of thing?
― Evan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
Except mouth/tongue vs. hands
Sort of thinking that Littlefinger's entire plan is predicated on Tyrion dying, which looks a banker from his point of view but probably isn't going to happen. Assuming divorce isn't a thing in Westeros, which it doesn't appear to be.
So as long as Tyrion remains alive (and everyone thinks that Bran is dead) then Sansa isn't the grand prize that she appears to be. Which means that now would be a very very bad time indeed for Arya and the Hound to just rock up at the Vale.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
Does it matter whether Tyrion dies? I thought the only purpose Tyrion serves in the plan is to be who everyone thinks killed the king. Though honestly I have no idea how this is all supposed to play out in the long run according to LF.
― Evan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
he needs to marry sansa to have a claim on winterfell, and she is married to tyrion.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
Divorces in Westeros happen the same they did in Tudor England: find a religious figure to annul it.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
Isn't the prosecution's story that Sansa was an accomplice to the murder? Seems weird that they'd just let her marry Littlefinger without a trial or something.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
Seeing her pushed through the hole was a rare moment of something being all the sweeter for being predictable, with all the anticipation knowing it was going to happen.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link
Is Littlefinger doing Sean Connery?
― schwantz, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
Define "doing."
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
Also I have no idea where Stannis Kru are packing up to travel to. Pretty sure this is the result of bad writing, but are they heading up to the Wall or having another crack at King's Landing?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
Stannis going north, altho it might be good if he kept everyone guessing on this more in the meantime.
Didn't expect them to be killing off Lysa so soon. You would/should slap Robert for the smallest thing tho, as Lil Taffingies asserted himself and especially as he starts to resemble Julian Casablancas more and more. stroke is coming indeed.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
had to google Julian Casablancas... and holyyyy shit.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:25 (ten years ago) link
The Hound's accent is doing some pretty interesting things right now as well...
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
nah not really
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link
Lmao at Julian Casablancas, Lord of the Eyrie
― 龜, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link
I'm not sure it's ever made entirely clear how they mark the passing of years in Westeros (and I've read the books!).
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 11:32 (ten years ago) link
o man i am so upset abt the depiction of braavos in the opening credits i wait patiently all season for a new castle then this, all the other castles are so dope and look like real little machines gearing up then this braavos shit is just some horrible sloppy cgi bs wtf happened did their original castles guy die or something they ruined everything
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
I skip the opening credits is this what you're talking about?
http://i.imgur.com/XaczLRe.gif
― 龜, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
Man GoT is the one show I never skip the opening credits of. So stirring.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
dude who plays the hound was amazin gin this episode. the way he said "i didn't steal the toy, i was just playing with it" just broke my heart.
i agree that new-gregor is not nearly as sinister as the first version. new one just looks like a big brute. old one seemed truly evil.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
Somebody told me they change the opening credits based on who shows up in that ep so I started watching the opening credits but they ran the same shit for like 6 eps straight so I stopped
― 龜, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
the way he said "i didn't steal the toy, i was just playing with it" just broke my heart.
Oh man this was such a good reading
new gregor is the strongest man in iceland apparently??
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
its like instantly he was a child again. so good
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
irsay wanted to draft the mountainhttp://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/the-colts-might-sign-an-icelandic-weightlifter-who-makes-arnold-schwarzenegger-look-like-a-regular-sized-human/
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link
GoT has the best opening credits ever, except for dr. quinn medicine woman. for those of us who haven't read the books it's like a nice reminder of the GoT's geography
but yeah, they totaly fucked up braavos. maybe the person who created it got all cocky after the first few seasons, and when they came back to him to do braavos she was like "yeah i'll do it...for 8 million bucks. ~snicker snicker~ you NEED me now" and the producers decided to go with someone else
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link
yeah that is a large dude. i am curious how he will handle the long stirring monologue gregor gets this season.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
Gregor Clegane: You stupid fucking cunt. You, Williamson, I'm talking to you, shithead. You just cost me $6,000. Six thousand dollars, and one Cadillac. That's right. What are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it, asshole? You're fucking shit. Where did you learn your trade, you stupid fucking cunt, you idiot? Who ever told you that you could work with men? Oh, I'm gonna have your job, shithead.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN6JDwldD2E
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
omg they should remake GGR with arnie, stallone, jcvd, etc. billion dollar idea.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
expendables 3: always be closing
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:22 (ten years ago) link
I don't think they change the opening credits per episode, they haven't had the Eyrie yet this season and the Dreadfort's been in all the episodes. And Winterfell's still there!
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah its not comprehensive but it does have some relationship to the episode like the slavers bay cities were all up to date and then when bravoos was introduced and so on
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
Yeah they aren't different every single episode but they do definitely bring locations in mid-season.
Game of Thrones and True Detective have been the only US series where I have never once skipped the credits.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
Braavos looked good in the actual show.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
― Matt DC
And Breaking Bad (v short though) and Mad Men.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:38 (ten years ago) link
worst credits = Boardwalk Empire, the theme song is so long and awful
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
Close, but the actual answer is Homeland.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link
xpost otm re boardwalk
it's so incongruous! like, jarringly so. I would love to hear an explanation for why that music was picked to be THE music
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
I like Brian Jonestown Massacre but I don't get it as theme music for that show (just looked it up on youtube since I haven't watched the show)
― Evan, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
or that song specifically I mean
― Evan, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
yeah, why not some old timey music that matches with the setting?
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
or dubstep
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
lol that shitty themesong is BJM?! yeah they should have gone with something more period appropriate
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
They should have picked a better BJM song at least.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
maybe some big rousing powerful orchestral cgi thing showing all the locations. the boardwalk, zoom in on the hotel, that weird shop with the babies, over to nyc to rothstein's pad, gyp rosetti's apartment, etc.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
and all the locations shd be these animated lil machines that pop up when the camera flies over them
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
I'm powerfully ambivalent about the GoT main theme. It's a great tune/hook but Djawadi does absolutely NOTHING with it, it's just so dead as music. That incessant accompanying figure is so stupid on fake (or fake-sounding) strings, he shoudl have just owned it and used chunka chunka guitars. By about 40 seconds in I feel trapped. He is p good when he does eerie sound designy cues though.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
i always sing the theme with the words game of thrones game of thrones game of thrones over and over like that one youtube
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
That's kind of cool because three syllable "game of thrones" is out of phase with four syllable "NERR ner ner-ner" so you have to be on your game.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
Agreed, but we saw Braavos once, something like two episodes before it appeared in the opening credits, IIRC.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis)Posted: May 21, 2014 at 4:39:00 PMThat's kind of cool because three syllable "game of thrones" is out of phase with four syllable "NERR ner ner-ner" so you have to be on your game.
yeah im pretty good tbh
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
wait, who does that? FUCK! i've been doing that in my head for the last few years and i thought i was the only one
goddammit
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
I think the incidental music is mostly pretty blah (remember a nice cue in s1 when arya was training with syrio) but the main theme is undeniably huge.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
welcome to our community xp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
well, at least no one can take away my Hodor counter-melody. on the second half of each phrase I go "HO-dor hodor HO-dor hodor HO-dor hodor HO-dor ho"
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
Oh shit I'm going to be doing that too from now on.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
v nice
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
NEEPS neeps neeps-neeps-neeps neeps neeps-neeps-NEEPS
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
for some reason it's the last "HO-dor ho" (minus the last 'ho') that cracks me up every time
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
It does need to be mentioned that Blue Oyster Cult have been using the GoT main title as their walk-on music for at least 2 years (E Bloom is a big SFF nerd)
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
Are you sure that's not "nips"? xxp
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
haha I guess I am busted for having mainly done the books on audiobook, where Roy Dotrice pronounced it 'neeps'.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
the tune is decent & I approve of the dulcimer bit but I am bored w/ fantasy stuff having big stirring string arrangements, even tho some of it is well done. this is the 21st century. the best GoT stuff is like a poor man's gladiator soundtrack
― ogmor, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
exactly, production-wise it's the biggest lame note in the whole series for me. I know they were going with Stephen Warbeck until very very late in the game and then switched to Djawadi with only a couple of months before the premiere... I doubt Warbeck would have done much better tbh. Something like Christian Henson's music for Black Death would have been good for GoT.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
GoT was a good opportunity to bust out the doom or power metal.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
The proper lyrics are "Throne Game, Throne Game, Game of Thrones, Throne Game, Throne Game, Game of Thrones"... at least that's how they are sung in my household
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
anyone who thinks the theme song isnt flat out the best thing on tv nowadays is the rongest of the rong
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
lol they really shouldve called the show throne game
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
lol I wonder what Mike Post would've done for a GoT main title theme. Some tasty Fender Rhodes, maybe some recorder and a furtively popping base to represent the barbarism...
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
base = bass ffs
http://i.imgur.com/FevbQjL.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
the black death music gets p gnarly, def a good fit for all the northern stuff
― ogmor, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
I always end up tapping out the drum beat without even realizing ...it's hypnotising
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
xpost yeah. I haven't been as into anything else that guy's done but if I ever get to helm a doorstop fantasy tv series I'm hiring him and telling him to gimme that black death feeling
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
time fortime for a gamea game-of-thrones (game of thrones time, game of thrones time)
or justnothing until the very lastGAME... OF... THRONES
― kinder, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Have legit been having this on in the background on Sunday mornings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvt5q6bt1s
― kinder, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
I hope they end the whole show with a montage set to that
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25KABvPbq-U
― schwantz, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
It's a great tune/hook but Djawadi does absolutely NOTHING with it, it's just so dead as music.
Given that most of the show is comprised of people standing around talking in front of an impressive backdrop then it's kind of apt.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
^^^otm xp
my wife and I now sing other tv themes this way sometimes
― dan m, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
Current GoT theme related fantasy is Miley singing 'FU' over it
― nashwan, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:30 (ten years ago) link
this was posted forever ago but it's so old it's new i guesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92ukx0A2fk
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:54 (ten years ago) link
I've been rewatching S1 very slowly as there was so much I didn't notice or appreciate the first time. Dany's brother was such a tool, worst individual in the whole thing.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 May 2014 08:03 (ten years ago) link
i always sing the theme with the words game of thrones game of thrones game of thrones over and over like that one youtube― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:37 (Yesterday) Permalink
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:37 (Yesterday) Permalink
always do this but with 'pe-ter din-klage'. keepin' it simple with 4 syllables. sometimes mix it up with a bit of 'pe-ter din-klage, will he sur-vive, will he sur-vive, or-will-he-die'
amazing life i lead
― Blandford Forum, Thursday, 22 May 2014 10:19 (ten years ago) link
http://www.dorkly.com/post/63472/game-of-thrones-actors-with-their-actual-accents
Carice looks like a non-ginger Karen Gillan in that YT thumbnail.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:15 (ten years ago) link
i always sing the "hodor" version of the theme song.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link
xpost <3 <3
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
presumably there was no GOT in the US this week as well?
― kinder, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:12 (ten years ago) link
It's because of the US that there was no GOT this week anywhere.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
No. HBO took the week off because of Memorial Day/premiere their high profile TV Movie from that Glee guy
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
ok just checking
― kinder, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DeJqyhwWs
― Dreamland, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 22:50 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/ORz3brq.jpg
― Number None, Saturday, 31 May 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link
recognized everyone but the two women next to brienne
― Mordy, Saturday, 31 May 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
the one on the left is Lena Headey
― Number None, Saturday, 31 May 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
you can tell because she's leaning her head
― kinder, Saturday, 31 May 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
Think that's Ellaria Sand in the middle.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 31 May 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
Is that guy's junk the only thing keeping his pants up?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 May 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
I've had a suspicion based on some interviews and their on-screen chemistry that Cersei and Oberyn were irl doing it and I'm gonna go ahead and take that pic as confirmation
― Clay, Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
Is the kneeling guy Loras?
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/game-of-thrones-characters-transported-back-to-the-80s-an
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 1 June 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
hamore like Bron:http://i2.wp.com/www.rowsdowr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/38742.jpg
― kinder, Sunday, 1 June 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 2 June 2014 01:56 (ten years ago) link
Why am I so shocked but i am totally. I kind of knew there had to be something for all the build up but I thought it would end with Oberyn throwing a spear into Tywin or something.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 2 June 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link
that was next level grisly. i'm already having traumatic flashbacks
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 2 June 2014 02:11 (ten years ago) link
just now moving past that to remember the brilliance of Arya's laughing.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 2 June 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
this is just some george rr martin bullshit at this point is how i feel about things
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link
thought goth-sansa was lol
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
What does that mean?
Xpost mordy I mean
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 02:59 (ten years ago) link
anti-reader sadist
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link
just viciously anti-climatic + nihilistic
climactic*
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 03:04 (ten years ago) link
that was anti-climatic?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 June 2014 04:00 (ten years ago) link
Yeah to me, the whole Oberyn part was pretty intense. Maybe more moving than the red wedding
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 04:06 (ten years ago) link
I don't think it was nihilistic in that it keeps with the show's general premise that revenge is stupid.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 2 June 2014 04:07 (ten years ago) link
It wasn't just the brutality of the kill but Indira Varma's wail at the horror that made me feel the loss of a relatively minor (or at least, new) character. I guess I just didn't see the show/books writing itself into that much of a fucking corner.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 2 June 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
happy for ramsay :)
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 04:15 (ten years ago) link
... that's why I always bet on the Mountain.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 05:07 (ten years ago) link
/pukes
Stark girls were great this episode; Sansa telling LF why she lied for him, and as stated, Arya busting a gut.
PS I'm still barfing that fight.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 05:11 (ten years ago) link
Still love the show but. Getting tired of the whole 'killing good ppl just cause they're good' thing. Is it like that in the books or are they purposefully doing it to get ratings?
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 05:33 (ten years ago) link
all of the main attention-grabbing deaths thus far in the show have been exceptionally faithful to the books iirc*. some minor characters have had different fates.
(* exception being robb's wife. she is not at the wedding at all in the books.)
― Clay, Monday, 2 June 2014 05:38 (ten years ago) link
fucking hell
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 05:45 (ten years ago) link
I see.
Well, we're not even at episode 9, where shit always hits the fan..and I already have literally no one to care about anymore. Arya? Jon? Fuck it, really.
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 05:57 (ten years ago) link
Pop
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 06:20 (ten years ago) link
Did anybody else read that scene as an inigo montoya piss take?
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 06:24 (ten years ago) link
The pillar and the stones would be a good GRRM fansite if its not already
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 06:26 (ten years ago) link
― Dreamland, Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:33 PM
not sure what the beef is here. like all the other big deaths, this one makes dramatic sense in its particulars and is true to all the characters involved.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 June 2014 06:29 (ten years ago) link
xpost to forks all i could hear in that long pause before she said it was "franks and beans"
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 June 2014 06:30 (ten years ago) link
As a writer though, you can make ANY death or sharp turn 'fit'.
That doesn't mean you should, every few episodes.
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 06:40 (ten years ago) link
I think it's weird that he was a character you were super invested in. He just showed up fa couple episodes. He was literally just a wedding guest!
― polyphonic, Monday, 2 June 2014 06:48 (ten years ago) link
yeah I mean what did you really know about oberyn? He liked to screw and had some subversive ideas about power in Westeros and seemed like a pretty good and sensitive guy overall but he wasn't exactly fleshed out.
― Clay, Monday, 2 June 2014 07:10 (ten years ago) link
Uh what?
He had as many episodes as Ned
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 07:36 (ten years ago) link
Anyway, my beef isn't with oberyn at all, but where the show and books (seem to) be going: constant bait and switch.
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 07:43 (ten years ago) link
Uh what?He had as many episodes as Ned
Well, sure I guess, but Ned was the central character of season one. He was probably onscreen for nearly or more than half of each episode. Was there an episode where oberyn was onscreen for more than 5 minutes this season? You really feel as if you got to know oberyn better than Ned?
― Clay, Monday, 2 June 2014 08:07 (ten years ago) link
http://img3.hungertv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/5750-9-015_f2-copy-518x470.jpg
― gyac, Monday, 2 June 2014 11:15 (ten years ago) link
that was spectacularly horrible. really glad I watched this episode before standard viewing session w/ my gf cos there's no way she will be able to watch that. having a GOTCHA where you polish off characters the audience root for can make things more interesting but the returns are diminishing as the sense that what the show really relishes is popcorn sadism increases. idk how to enjoy some dude having his head crushed as a guy tells him he raped his sister to death. I want to watch that turkish show about suleiman the magnificent called 'magnificent century' but I can't find proper english subtitles for all the episodes
― ogmor, Monday, 2 June 2014 11:26 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/eYgixu9.jpg
― tsrobodo, Monday, 2 June 2014 13:01 (ten years ago) link
echoing comments above - the continued extermination of any characters i gain even a superficial appreciation for is quickly draining my interest in this show. i know enough of GRRM philosophy about writing this show to not have been surprised but there are diminishing returns to his approach. i like to have investment in characters beyond just wanting certain of them to die. if they carry out tyrion's execution that's probably the point after which any interest in this story is exhausted for me
― building a desert (art), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:02 (ten years ago) link
what a bunch of crybabies
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:12 (ten years ago) link
I suspect this death would have some repercussions and also some interesting narrative side effects w/r/t other characters. I wasn't surprised by this at all; to have the red viper serve as both the guy who'd save tyrion and kill the mountain w/other characters who fit those roles better still lurking around seemed unlikely.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:13 (ten years ago) link
I think this could be tywin's undoing tbh, I mean dorne seems to not love the lannisters already and didn't the red viper have a feared brother who was supposed to attend the wedding but chose not to go?
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:15 (ten years ago) link
I don't think this scene was set up to be a mere bait and switch, it was set up for other reasons. Of course I haven't read the novels past a clash of kings so this is just total speculation.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:17 (ten years ago) link
During the whole fight scene, I was like "this feels off." It felt so triumphant and corny; in other words not like GoT at all, and I was naive enough to think that Oberyn might actually win. All narratives are emotionally manipulative, but man, GRRM-and-the-showrunners, this shit is just cruel. And I get how it plays into the whole thematic core of the series (Tyrion's beetle-crushing speech underlines it) but this is a lesson the story has already taught us many times. At this point, it really does feel gratuitous, and imo it just deadens the story. Anti-climactic is definitely the right word. So right now (I haven't read the books) it seems quite likely that Tyrion may die, and if he dies, I will feel like my time was wasted, even though it arguably wasn't wasted at all in a lot of ways.
What's funny about this is I am guilty of thinking that writers owe me something, even though they quite obviously don't. I guess that's one of the costs of being emotionally invested in any story.
― zchyrs, Monday, 2 June 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it's not a bait-and-switch in the larger context of the narrative, but in the context of watching the show unfold it definitely felt like one, and I'm sure the writers were 100% aware of that.
― zchyrs, Monday, 2 June 2014 13:27 (ten years ago) link
call it what you want but that is not anti-climactic.
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link
like, if they had decided to make nice and not fight, that would be anti-climactic. dude goring the mountain and then getting his head popped while everyone screams and a death sentence is pronounced on tyrion is about as climactic as things get it
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link
anti-climactic doesn't mean "what i hoped happened didnt happen"
that beetle-crushing speech was awful. Like I get Dinklage has minimum screentime requirements and needed something to do, but I read people saying it was long, fast-forwarded about five minutes and he was still shiting on?
― gyac, Monday, 2 June 2014 13:32 (ten years ago) link
haha ya true
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 13:33 (ten years ago) link
"so, to sum up... he liked crushing beetles. crazy"
I actually liked the beetle-crushing speech, but yeah, it was definitely longer than it needed to be.
― zchyrs, Monday, 2 June 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link
xxxxxp okay, trade "anti-climactic" for "disappointing"
― zchyrs, Monday, 2 June 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
I think Red Viper losing opens up a lot more interesting narrative possibilities. I mean I was sorta horrified and bummed and LOL GRRM about it too, but guy getting his sweet vengeance, eliminating one of the more feared/mythic characters, and springing Tyrion just like that is a little zzz.
― circa1916, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
s1ocki OTM throughout here.
― circa1916, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
all the big shocking deaths in the series have some narrative purpose. to say they're just done for shock value/to torture the readers or viewers misses the point.
― gyac, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
Diminishing returns is a good way to put it.
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link
At this point it would be more of a shock if they actually let a 'good' character live
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3255892/crushing-your-head-o.gif
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
beetle story was anti-climactic. exploded head was not. my wife's shout at that moment "AHHGHGHGH! FUCK Game of Thrones!"
― akm, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
Also you guys the most despicable character in the series died an agonizing death a couple of episodes ago, GRRM isn't 100% of the time trying to bum you out.
― circa1916, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
Well, give or take a Ramsay Snow. But in some ways, Arya's response seems quite apt for the unimportant detours this narrative continues to take.
― Frederik B, Monday, 2 June 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link
a ramsay BOLTON
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
i don't want to jinx anything - but Arya is still alive. so are 2/3 of her brothers and her sister; but let's face it – Arya is the one we like.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
an·ti·cli·max [an-ti-klahy-maks] Show IPAnoun1.an event, conclusion, statement, etc., that is far less important, powerful, or striking than expected.2.a descent in power, quality, dignity, etc.; a disappointing, weak, or inglorious conclusion: After serving as president, he may find life in retirement an anticlimax.3.a noticeable or ludicrous descent from lofty ideas or expressions to banalities or commonplace remarks: We were amused by the anticlimax of the company's motto: “For God, for country, and for Acme Gasworks.”
idk i think this counts. maybe not definition 1 so much but taking the guy avenging his sister and her children and making it about meaningless violence + death is def an anticlimax.
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
that outcome felt sadistic to me but slocki and others are making a good case here
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
i liked the beetle killing bit! It might've been the first moment on the show where any of the principals discussed the concept of sanctity of life at all... ned started the show by killing a dude for telling the truth and he was supposed to be the good guy!
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link
(that is responding to the people saying all our fav characters are getting smashed)
also - i kinda liked the beetle scene. was a weird, relaxed contrast to the totally insane scene we all knew was coming up.
woah - 3x post
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link
for those of us who haven't read the books, one thing to think about: i think it's possible that TV-only people are overplaying the awesomeness as oberyn as a character because pedro pascal played the role with so much charisma that it seems like such a waste for him to already be dead. but perhaps in the books he feels more like a character whose main function is to grease the wheels of a few bigger plots
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link
it's a huge climactic battle! just because your favourite guy died doesn't make it any less so... he died in teh most climactic way possible!
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
an event, conclusion, statement, etc., that is far less important, powerful, or striking than expected.
how was it less important to the plot (tyrion gets sentenced), powerful (head explodes), striking (same)
a descent in power, quality, dignity, etc.; a disappointing, weak, or inglorious conclusion: After serving as president, he may find life in retirement an anticlimax.
don't try and tell me that scene was analogous to a quiet life in retirement.
a noticeable or ludicrous descent from lofty ideas or expressions to banalities or commonplace remarks: We were amused by the anticlimax of the company's motto: “For God, for country, and for Acme Gasworks.”
not applicable at all
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
it's pretty clear that the Starks are the good guys, right? and there are still 5 of the 6 children still alive (most of them against all odds!) don't really get the argument that all the good people have been killed.
― mizzell, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
While some of you guys are complaining about sadism and intent and diminishing returns, Pedro Pascal has the correct spirit:
https://twitter.com/PedroPascal1/status/473288824781815808
https://twitter.com/PedroPascal1/status/473481358556160002
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
tyrion won't die. that's the exception that proves the rule of this show (everyone else can die). jon snow may be untouchable as well. tyrion dying, at any rate, would be the closest thing to a narrative suicide i've ever seen! what a boring show we'd be left with unless it went on to be something unexpected. no other character we already know can really handle being that central. also, i do not understand what's appealing about the arya character.
― ryan, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
giggling sociopath - feel like i've seen the trope a lot in manga/anime? very charming version of it imo
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
more like
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080724135908/watchmen/images/9/96/The_Comedian_Barbequing.jpg
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, come on guys, so many good characters remain: RICKON STARK!
― Frederik B, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
it's pretty clear that the Starks are the good guys, right?
not necessarily. this is really a show/book problem as the show, much like with Tyrion, hasn't really done much with the greyer sides of their characters yet. basically if you have a favourite in this, accept that they've either done or will do evil at some point (hello Arya fans I am talking to you and your glorification of a character the author refers to as a child soldier).
― gyac, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
martin's attempt to break free from the bonds of formulaic fantasy drama has effectively become formulaic itself. almost every season we get some horrific denouement whereby a character who was the target of significant development is abruptly rent from the story and, in the case of both ned stark and the red wedding, it happened in the same episode of the respective season (which leaves ample opportunity for yet more destruction next sunday). the case of oberyn resonates because he starts out as this tangential character, comes on the scene and receives a fair amount of attention, and then is ejected rather abruptly. this leaves me wondering what the point of his development was in the first place (maybe this will be further illuminated in later episodes) and why i should care about the development of any other character series wide.
― building a desert (art), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
It's been going for four seasons now and you're still watching it so there's your answer?
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
oberyn is the epitome of a minor character arc. starts tangential, does his tap dance, leaves. this isnt really revolutionary.
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
yeah, if the only "point" of his development is that he has an enjoyable story at the end of which he dies in an exciting scene why is that deficient for a character in a tv show?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosencrantz_and_Guildenstern
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
still haven't seen the episode but the moaning here and the lack of general 'wow that was awesome' would seem to indicate they didnt' pull off what is imo the most thrilling part of the books. i'd thought all season they hadn't really done a great job of establishing the viper but the fallout here i think is due more to the show just having completely failed to establish the mountain over the past few years, he isn't necessarily a deeper character in the books but does loom larger and play a more visible role in the action. the show also has always gone for the cheap and sensational be it w/ sex or gore or torture or rape (kinda robs some of the horror of the mountain having raped an old queen when you have a supposedly sympathetic knight rape the next one). not that alot of this stuff isn't in the books just that the show really seems to think they're what's most interesting or necessary to keep the viewer's interest. anyhow yes the red viper is a minor character but he was interesting as this impulsive angry face of this previously unseen major power in the story, he was interesting precisely cuz of this duel and what led up to it and the politics in play, he wasn't interesting cuz he was a charismatic bisexual who hung out in whorehouses and found a kindred spirit in tyrion.
― balls, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
this thread is way too big, is it too weird to start a new one now with just a few episodes left?
there's probably a lot of finale talk on the way and this thread already konks out my computer
― brio, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
Use a bookmark
― polyphonic, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
yeah fair enough
― brio, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
― balls, Monday, June 2, 2014 12:38 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i def agree that the mountain, haha "looms larger" in the books. and i think the guy that they mysteriously recast him with is a bit of a dud. he should be terrifying, not just physically, but as this presence that haunts westeros
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
yeah i havent caught up w/ this ep yet but to me this scene was absolutely the most brutal and well-executed scene in the books and its consequences are pretty big, so i was hoping they would do it justice like they did (imo) for ned's execution
― ciderpress, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
i mean in the books the mountain is this character that has been looming as this malignant ridiculously powerful (or not powerful, the tyrell's are powerful, strong rather) creature, this useful tool of the lannisters whose death you hope for and wait for nearly as much as joffrey's and the red viper is this character that comes in on a diplomatic mission but is very undiplomatic w/ the lannisters who cannot respond in kind, hungry for justice and amends and set up to put the screws to the lannisters only his impulsiveness and rage and weird sense of pride and honor make him unable to pass up the opportunity to extract revenge on the mountain himself and in the book what's amazing is he nearly does it, in really thrilling fashion, and what slips him up and costs him his life is the same impulse that led him to fight in the first place.
― balls, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
curious what the consequences will be.
it was a heartbreaking scene especially since oberyn was really sympathetic. it's just a shame to lose a charismatic character/actor! the show has a dearth of these outside the lannisters.
there's a certain poetic quality to oberyn's death though. he gets his revenge, essentially. humiliates tywin (momentarily). gets the mountain to confess. but as soon as his revenge is achieved he's metaphorically extinguished by it.
― ryan, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
does the fight play out essentially the same in the book?
Pretty much. They may have excluded the pointed fingering of Tywin.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
So to speak; you never know with this series.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
i think w/the series they've sort of intentionally backgrounded the possible political implications, making the viewer focus on the personal quest for revenge, making us (and tywin!) forget the possible fallout & the fact that oberyn came to the wedding as a consolation prize bc his (iirc?) feared brother didn't bother to show up.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
i'm not sure focusing on oberyn's story in this way was a narrative flaw, i mean.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/IObzMd1.png
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
Sheesh for me the always-looming prospect of a sudden and unexpected death is one of this show's saving graces.
I can't even begin to imagine being bummed out abt the rest of the series cuz the that dude's head got crushed in...I couldn't even remember his name. But that was fun and kind of hilarious. How would you guys feel if that had been Arya Stark? Or Jamie Lanninster or even Samwell?
Not to mention it thins the herd a little. I can't think of a series in recent years that wld benefit more from binge viewing...having to wait a week to get just four or five minutes of one of the main threads at the expense of so many secondary business is a drag.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:21 (ten years ago) link
xpost Oberyn!
Uhm... someone with more recollection of the earlier scenes, how has the show talked about Doran Martell, Oberyn's brother?
― Frederik B, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah i really enjoyed the actor who played the viper's performance, it just didn't really match up w/ my vision of the viper and kinda robbed a great scene of some potential impact. this could just be my impression but in the book he really is this figure the lannisters cannot make a deal w/ despite trying, this pit of coiled rage, and so the duel is this moment where he just loses it and become uncoiled and it nearly wills him over the mountain but it also proves his undoing. alot of times they've made small understandable changes in how characters behave or relate to each other and it's been understandable but it's ended up robbing what should be huge moments down the line of some of their impact. the relationship between tyrion and the whore is the big one of these (though that might just be unavoidable problem of having the book told from various character's perspectives vs omniscient observer w/ a tv show). just watched the fight scene and it's pretty much how it went down in the book but there are wrong notes struck there that hurt it. a diplomat and prince from a region you're desperately trying to build a better relationship w/ dying at the hands of the criminal who raped and murdered a queen from the same region isn't a fantastic turn of events for the lanisters. they did ned's execution well and the red wedding had all the sudden, shocking but foreshadowed brutality of the book but the battle of blackwater was underwhelming and this scene was befitting the kinda comical say whaaaat look tyrion had on his face at the end (like he'd never seen a pizza that large or something). anyhow i'll shut up about the books now. as long as ppl stop pretending grrm is setting up central likeable characters just to brutally knock them off at the end since the viper wasn't remotely a central character and doesn't even show til towards the end of that book anyway. will also add pedro pascal should've been cast as daario.
― balls, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
for me this was the first really good action scene in the show. not sure the mountain looked like much of a fighter but perhaps that's a testament to how fluid pascal was. it was a convincing fight, and nicely showed how small his margin for error was.
― ryan, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
feel like the 'this isn't a corny good guys v bad guys thing, this is some proper quasi realistic cloak & dagger shit, anyone can die' does not sit well w/ the show's love of gore-as-spectacle. grrm's made statements lamenting the falseness of using orcs&dark lords to embody evil, insisting that real evil is INSIDE OURSELVES. idk if it comes from his sense of history or what history he knows - there's the noted wars of the roses thing, he says he only reads pop history - but he clearly has some idea that the past was/world is ~brutal~. a courtly high medieval setting is ripe for wheels within wheels plotting, circumstances forcing ppl into actions, & you would think this might lead to some sort sense of proper tragedy, or idea that the evil&brutality is in the game itself, & there are hints at this (daenerys plot might be going this way, tyrion, ygritte & even jaimie seem to extent like good ppl trapped on the bad side, pretty much all the varys scenes are boss) but there's also this reliance on personified evil, ridiculous 2d characters like the boltons & the mountain.
grrm's world is like medieval europe except no one ever dies of sickness or through mundane yet tragic circumstance, but instead every cpl of months there's some highly theatrical & often obscenely violent death as some psychopath utters some supervillain-cold shit as they bump off another hapless - & often extremely high profile - character. there's already a long list of very inventive horrors committed by the 30-40 main characters, & it feels increasingly like those moments are defining the show. as I watched the exciting scene where a member of the nobility gets their brains smushed all over the floor while their killer boasts about raping their sister to death all I could think was "so glad I'm not watching an orc right now, this is a much more profound take on the nature of evil, really rings true"
― ogmor, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
Doran mentioned only obliquely, just that he was busy, couldn't make it.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
as I watched the exciting scene where a member of the nobility gets their brains smushed all over the floor while their killer boasts about raping their sister to death all I could think was "so glad I'm not watching an orc right now, this is a much more profound take on the nature of evil, really rings true"
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
someone should photoshop bruce lee and kareem abdul jabar into that scene.
― ryan, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
You guys are gonna LOVE the new HBO series in the works, in which inhabitants of a vaguely medieval world die slowly from untreated gout, improperly sanitized food, and general sense of ennui.
Those moments DO DEFINE the show!
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
Just not sure how "avoiding some of the fantastical stuff that generally predominates in these movies/books" = claim to natural realism.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
ahem, this is the no spoilers thread
― balls, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
Sorry
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 2 June 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
There's never a down that isn't followed by an up that isn't followed by a down etc.
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Monday, 2 June 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
I want the Hound to be the one who kills the Mountain anyway. Maybe with Arya's help? It would have been nice to see the Viper avenge his family, but I didn't see the crimes he meant to avenge, so it would have less narrative power imo. Killing the scariest monster south of the wall with a new character fighting for old motivations would have been kinda dull I think.
― polyphonic, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
I thought the mountain was dead? actually assumed some legal questions were immanent, haha.
― ryan, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
Hound killing the Mountain, followed by Arya killing the Hound would be pretty satisfying altho I will likely have checked out of this show by then cuz I am getting p tired of the introduce character/murder character dynamic while the rest of the plot kinda doesn't move anywhere
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
I had totally forgotten that the Mountain existed until this season, there are too many minor characters knocking around in this for the show to establish them properly. They didn't even bother with Tommen up until this year.
― Matt DC, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
they didnt... even... bother... with... tommen!!!!
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Hound killing the Mountain, followed by Arya killing the Hound
I think this is called a Mexican Braavosi Standoff,
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
Feel like things are pretty grim for the Lannisters. Tywin was making overtures to Oberyn because he needs support from Dorne for impending (lol) Dany Dragon invasion, though there are probably money/support issues as well which ties into Stannis talking to the Iron Bank (more of this, please?) as well as whatever is happening in the Vale. There is potential fallout all over the place from the head-crushing, but I liked the way the show foregrounded the horror of his woman then the "oh shit how do I get out of this now" from Tyrion but there are a lot of balls in play in the background.
Don't know what in the hell this show is going to do with Jorah, but he can't be *gone*.
Hope I'm not reading too much into it but Neil Marshall directed next week's episode and I'm gonna be kind of bummed if the entire episode is at the Wall a la Blackwater. Too many other things happening.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 2 June 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
seemed pretty clear that the mountain is def badly wounded but at least his head isn't squashed. pretty clear winner there
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
xxpost to MattDC - Yeah as Balls noted earlier, the Mountain doesn't quite translate to the tv show properly - it's not just that he's this crazy super-sized monster who you wouldn't like to fight, but more that he's an utterly malevolent human equivalent of a natural disaster and for a certain part of the country his very existence is a constant source of danger and terror, like the threat of a nuclear incident or something.
The arrival of him and his crew in your part of town is pretty much the worst thing that could happen. This is of course much easier to achieve in the books when his name and his actions are continually being invoked across multiple different POVs precisely to engender this sense of uncontrolled and uncontrollable menace only ever a short way away and to make sure that you don't forget about him at any point.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
I mean Tommen isn't an interesting character at all but as the kid who would be king it wouldn't have hurt for the show to have reminded us that he existed every now and again. It doesn't help that every time one of these minor characters reappears they're played by a different actor.
xpost to Windsor - ah, that doesn't come across AT ALL in the show, which is a shame because they could have worked some good setpieces out of it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
Actually I'm pretty interested in Tommen. Also, after a week of wondering what would happen to Robin, it's cool that Littlefinger sees him as a protege and potential king.
It's not so much that the show is underdeveloping these characters so much as that they're letting you to wonder about them, if you care to. Much like you might wonder about faraway places like Dorne or Highgarden or Braavos or whatever. Like ... hmm, I wonder what kind of man Rickon will grow to become? Tommen's development into this perfect Tywin puppet is a very enjoyable development I think.
― polyphonic, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
so much so much
― polyphonic, Monday, 2 June 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
Hoping jora goes to the night's watch. I'm guessing he doesn't know his dad is dead?
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
how many eps are this season? is the next one last? 9 seems like a weird number
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link
9. The Watchers on the Wall10. The Children
― polyphonic, Monday, 2 June 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link
I'm down with most things the show does but based on my memory of the first two books they do miss on the mountain a bit. his name is evoked all over the place and he's the real manifestation of the evil wing of the lannisters almost more than anything else, this monster they give carte blanche to do whatever he desires in their name and he feels in the novels like a leader. In this show he's effective but he also comes off more like a gimp they keep in a cage and let loose for duels. His scene a couple weeks back where he's just hacking prisoners to pieces was almost called back to w/tyrion's beetle story.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link
^Yeah it sounds like they should've really fleshed out his character on tv cause (as a show guy) to me he's always been that. Not only that, but that the hound could easily take him if need be.
― Dreamland, Monday, 2 June 2014 19:30 (ten years ago) link
In fairness they did have him cut the head off a horse in season 1 and they may have underestimated how much that might resonate through the series.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 2 June 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
they should have just had a scene every other show of him decapitating a horse; would have broken up some of the sexposition
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Monday, 2 June 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link
After the first ten minutes of last night's ep, I think I'd rather just have the pointless nudity. In some ways less painful than the pseudo-porn build-up we were getting with Grey Worm and his lady. When they were alone in the temple, I was just waiting for the porn-funk to start up.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 June 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 20:11 (ten years ago) link
that they kept recasting the mountain hurts his ability to be a consistent and memorable malevolence
― max, Monday, 2 June 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
anyway i felt as excited and gripped by the fight scene on the show as i did by the scene in the books--still the highlight of the entire series for me--though i think the excessively gory watermelon explosion at the end kinda undercuts it and like balls says the "big pizza!" reaction from tyrion is kinda
― max, Monday, 2 June 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
they should've cut to black on the head explode and the scream, and then after the credits flash up tyrion saying "oh boy" and then next week is an episode of quantum leap
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 2 June 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
https://24.media.tumblr.com/5764a4975118d44eb30b70efcc1e4597/tumblr_n6k72dYeUG1s1ytzjo1_500.png
Oops, spoilers.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJylC9CEAAspRE.png
― lag∞n, Monday, 2 June 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
lol why are people calling this a bait and switchGuy literally dancing around a hulk of a dude arrogantly proclaiming blah blah blah and not paying attentionWho thought he'd come out of that OK?
― kinder, Monday, 2 June 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
― gyac, Monday, June 2, 2014 9:32 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, June 2, 2014 9:33 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
beetle speech was so money u guys r nuts, dinklage was slaying me with his demands for more books about morons
― lag∞n, Monday, 2 June 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
maester pycell was cracking me up w his intro
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 2 June 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N18l5FI4v74/TTV5Kx1r5mI/AAAAAAAAJM8/Xz4Kvy3Ct7I/s400/bush.jpg
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
TBH that should probably say "Crush to LOOK INSIDE."
Littlefingers plans for robin involve getting him killed when he's learning to be a man or expand the vale in his name and then kill him when it's useful. My opinion at least.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 2 June 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Monday, June 2, 2014 3:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
equidecapsposition
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 2 June 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
it's cool that Littlefinger sees him as a protege and potential king.
Pretty sure Littlefinger sees him a hurdle and potential corpse!
bah - xposts
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 June 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
[–]Manbehindthekit 1277 points 2 months agowhats it like being able to lift anything.....
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― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
For someone playing as long of a game as Littlefinger has he seemed pretty unprepared for the aftermath following him pushing Lysa out the moon door. Sansa save was pure luck on his part.
― Evan, Monday, 2 June 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
Maybe so! But at least he recognizes the opportunity there whereas most people would just see a little weird creep.
― polyphonic, Monday, 2 June 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
idk, whole point of Littlefinger's character seems to be that you make your own luck, he's manoeuvred her into a position where she'd be bound to support him. You can see how after everything she's been through Sansa has become psychologically dependent on him, purely by virtue of the fact that he's the first person she's been around since the start of the show that wasn't actively trying to hurt her.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 2 June 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
well tyrion definitely had her best interests at heart but had already lost his power by that point and you can see why a teenager wouldn't really see the positives in being married to a midget
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 2 June 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
ah shit yeah i actually forgot about the whole Tyrion thing. think the distinction between hated-Lannister-enemy and old-friend-of-the-family is important for explaining why Sansa might trust LF more though.
I'm actually really interested to see where Sansa/LF goes, in as much as there might be the possibility for him to do something disinterested and maybe even decent for her at some point at the expense of his plans, depending on how genuine his decidedly creepy affection for her runs. Otoh she might just continue to be a vehicle for his machinations.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 2 June 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's because he's a Lannister.
― gyac, Monday, 2 June 2014 22:04 (ten years ago) link
i kinda wish they had showed as little of him onscreen until this battle (which I have not watched yet), just to give them time to build his rep and get the casting/look right.
― gbx, Monday, 2 June 2014 22:13 (ten years ago) link
Otoh she might just continue to be a vehicle for his machinations.
That's putting the situation... delicately.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:13 (ten years ago) link
the moon door is such a ridiculous element, feels like very lazy writing to have this giant death trap looming in every scene taking place at the vale. as if it weren't clear enough that any character could die at any time, let's just throw this portal to oblivion in the middle of the room and all it takes is a little push for anyone to go for a fly
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link
TMFD from the Viper there, he deserved that. Dude was basically doing stepovers in his own penalty area from the start.
― Matt DC, Monday, 2 June 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link
Yeah it's crazy, its like the moon door might have actually come directly from the source material.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:18 (ten years ago) link
iirc in the source material it is an actual door not a big gaping hole in the floor you might accidentally step into while reading email on your iPhone
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:20 (ten years ago) link
Depiction of the Moon Door is no problem for me, quite a fan of bad guys in general having Jabba's-Palace-style trap-doors in the floor through which underlings can be thrown at a moment's notice.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 2 June 2014 22:24 (ten years ago) link
Easy way of telling if someone is trustworthy or not is if they have a moon door in their crib.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link
oh ok it's from the books so it can't be bad writing
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
Sure it can be bad writing by GRRM, your post just made it sound like it was a conscious decision for the TV show for visual reinforcement of the implied threat. I was just responding to that aspect.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:49 (ten years ago) link
it's ridiculous but kinda awesome and campy too. definitely on the sillier end of things for a show so enamored with nihilistic violence
xp - did not mean to imply that with my post, i am not a book-bro so didn't realize the depiction was different in the first place
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:53 (ten years ago) link
Tommen isn't an interesting character at all but as the kid who would be king it wouldn't have hurt for the show to have reminded us that he existed every now and again.
I'm pissed they decided to age up Tommen because (not really a spoiler) my favorite part of the li'l kiddo's rule was how childishly excited he was to sign his name on whatever royal documents were set in front of him.
― it's about equality, ladies (reddening), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link
The Mountain/Viper fight might have benefited from some bystander carnage.
― panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
so the mountain def dies in the books? seems okay in the show? just wounded.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
Yes, he is.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
"grrm's world is like medieval europe except no one ever dies of sickness or through mundane yet" Except Khal Drogo?
Loved Tyrion asking for books about morons.
Still not getting how the moon door is bad writing. Why wouldn't you have one? I wouldn't be surprised if some real castles did have something similar.
I was under the impression The Mountain died.
Keeping my fingers crossed for Cersei getting a satisfying death but I doubt it will be as good as Joffrey or Lysa's.
I was very fond of Oberyn (I'd like to see that actor in other stuff) and that was difficult to swallow but it's a welcome change after endless streams of unconvincing survival in so many stories. Peter Jackson's King Kong and Hobbit are terrible for that and even for a kid's film Pixar's Up really takes the piss (as a child it would have upset me because I'd think it was a lie and that the "real" characters all fallen to their deaths. I hated The Labyrinth because I knew the "real" good guys all drowned in shit or lived an unspeakably horrible life of smelling so terrible that they couldn't stop vomiting. I don't know if most children are like that but I could never brush off any morbid implication, all heroes really fell off the cliff edge and died), it's a real pet hate of mine.
My brother assures me that there is a string of amazing things just about to happen. I'm excited.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link
Cersei needs to outlive pretty much everyone including all her kids as max punishment
So did LF and Sansa bang or what? He reached a creepy peak last night with "the first time I saw you you were just a child" but that shot of her as silhouette with the sun flashing behind her was superb.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:17 (ten years ago) link
Jesus Christ, the punch followed by the teeth scattering across the floor. Just the sound effect alone!
I can handle almost anything gore-wise, but teeth are always a real sore spot.
That gummy scream - fucked me up good.
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:57 (ten years ago) link
"grrm's world is like medieval europe except no one ever dies of sickness or through mundane yet"
Didn't Robert Baratheon die from being gored by a wild boar while hunting, though it took him several days to die, so presumably it got infected? (Might be remembering this wrong...)
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:58 (ten years ago) link
man i was away from my computer for a couple weeks and was very disappointed that there was only one episode waiting when i returned, uncool
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:58 (ten years ago) link
btw u guys take this show too srs it is not a srs show
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:01 (ten years ago) link
This show is boring now isn't it.
Severed heads not really cutting it for me any more especially when they happen at 'totally unexpected' moments.They should rename it Yawn of Yawns.
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:16 (ten years ago) link
Only joking, it's still good. I guess what I found strange about the whole Oberyn thing is that I didn't really get that he was necessarily supposed to be a sympathetic character. At least when he was introduced, he came off as a bit of a sleazeball so I was surprised when immediately people started rooting for him.
And yeah, that was totally a Princess Bride tribute, wasn't it?
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:18 (ten years ago) link
Maybe they feel like me that all those feel wish fulfilling happy stories need to be corrected? Maybe we'll get to see a Jennifer Connelly lookalike drown in shit; talking dogs, an old man and little boy fall off mountains and several other bleaker versions.
I doubt it will happen but there is still time for Oberyn's wife to run screaming to his side and revive him with the Lord Of Light. Thinking about it more, with White Walkers, the whole Ice/Fire thing, maybe rebirth on either side will eventually become a bigger thing? Reborn Ned Stark fighting white walkers? Doubt it, but I'm sure the Lord Of Light stuff will become central because it has been proven real even if it isn't what the worshippers think it is.
I still predict that some of the Lannisters will eventually be killed by the Stark children. I think this story has wish fulfilment too. Imagine Tywin seeing Arya again.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 12:17 (ten years ago) link
Meant to say "feel good" in first line.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 12:18 (ten years ago) link
I doubt it will happen but there is still time for Oberyn's wife to run screaming to his side and revive him with the Lord Of Light.
Well I guess he'd have a few more holes in himself to play with.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 12:35 (ten years ago) link
Lord of Light would have to be an expert taxidermist to help Oberyn out...
― Evan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:27 (ten years ago) link
ew.
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:28 (ten years ago) link
ha he's gonna get revived like Deathklok's cook in Metalocalypse
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:35 (ten years ago) link
I'm sure the red lady would praise his skills of unmushing eyeballs and unparalleled dentistry.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:35 (ten years ago) link
Just wanna say this was the most well-shot episode I can remember. The lighting in particular was brilliant throughout.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:38 (ten years ago) link
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:35 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
His whole head was smushed.
― Evan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:55 (ten years ago) link
that scene really popped
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
eye eye eye
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link
I was just annoyed that Prancer/Dorn dude/whatever his name is didn't finish off the Mountain when he had the chance
idiot
now we're all fucked, way to go
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
tyrions face though
i thought he was going to puke
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
Does he puke in the book? He does in that comic posted above.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
p sure the mountain died tho, I guess he still wins cause the other guy died first
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link
Spoiler, perhaps, but yeah, he pukes in the book. The comic is very faithful to the book-version.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
prob figured two puke scenes was too much
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
wise to leave that out of the show. i think if they had tyrion puke on screen some viewers may have literally thrown up as well.
― ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
That's exactly why they should've put it in at the very end.
― Dreamland, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
Tyrion projectile vomiting and cutting immediately to black woulda been pretty awesome it’s true
― circa1916, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
Maybe Oberyn will get revived and still insist on The Mountain confessing in the right manner.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 15:03 (ten years ago) link
i would prefer a "Stand By Me" stile vomiting dominoes effect – where Tyrion vomiting triggers Cerci to vomit onto Pycel, who vomits onto Tywin, who sneers - while the entire crowed vomits on one another in a horrible cascading tidal wave of puke, so astonishing we almost forget we just watched Oberyn get his head squashed like a grape.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
Would have also liked for the unlucky stable-boy to have gotten half his head chopped off. Also from the comic and book.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
I felt like there was a lot of mirroring of earlier scenes/dynamics going on:
obv. this tragic trail-by-combat mirrored the comic one with Bron
Sansa lying to save LF mirrors Shae lying to condemn Tyrion
Bolton's relationship with his bastard mirrors Ned's relationship with his
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, and once again Arya and the Hound showing up right around the time one of Arya's relatives in murdered--first tragic, then laffs
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
Forgot to talk about that, is Littlefinger and Sansa just about to bump into Arya and Hound? It would be nice to see the sisters together and I can imagine Arya causing Littlefinger trouble. Is that guard not likely to tell that the sister is there or is Littlefinger keeping Sansa a secret from his guards?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link
x-post: Yes, the show is very much repeating itself, and it's becoming more and more ridiculous. You're absolutely right.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
idg the thing w Roose - is he Jon Snow's brother?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
"Snow" is just the last name given to any bastard in the North.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
Yeah no-one else knows it's Sansa except the three people she told. Presumably LF will prevent Sansa and Arya from reuniting somehow. Brienne probably doesn't know what she looks like either right?
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
Oh wait Robin knows it's Sansa too but LF has wisely already sent him packing ha
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
Truest words.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
lol is this the actual answer wtf
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
yeah theres a bastard last name for every one of the 7 kingdoms
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
Flowers: The ReachHill: The WesterlandsPyke: Iron IslandsRivers: The RiverlandsSand: DorneSnow: The NorthStone: The Vale of ArrynStorm: The StormlandsWaters: The Crownlands
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah I forgot about that whole bullshit Snow descriptor
Mr Veg broke it down for me last night & he was all 'it's in the books there's a whole long section' and I was like 'yeah I probably skimmed that part' lol the whole book is just long sections
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
― dan m, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
Hi I'm Sandy Snow, tropical bastard
Hi Veg, who are your other favorite characters on the show.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
those bastard name sound like mls team names to me.
― ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
I like Jon Snow mostly just to look at and because he's always wrapped in fur coats
But my actual favorites are Arya, The Hound, Tyrion (obv), Brienne and Jaime. I used to hate Jaime but I've turned a corner on him since he got his hand chopped off.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
Arya my # 1 - she's my homegirl
Just saying you were very prescient about your fondness for Oberyn.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
those bastard name sound like mls team names to me.― ryan, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ryan, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sporting Sand United of Dorne
― dan m, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
Ladies and Gentlemen please welcome your favorite minor league baseball team, The North SNOWS!!!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
oh wow I forgot that I predicted Dorn-dude's untimely demise
*clutches Arya tightly* YOU CAN'T HAVE HER
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
i love the bastard last name detail!
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:21 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's cool
― Number None, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
I love it bc it's great shorthand to let you know where a character comes from and their likely sense of self and their place in the world. And it's also effective wrt how westeros operates, like this sin of the father passed into the child who has to bear the burden while the one who did it gets off scot free.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
agree the show is not v serious which is why all the rape stuff feels off. feels semi-cartoonish like a group of 13yos playing d&d except that ppl get raped to death&children get incinerated, which harshes the buzz imo & for no obv purpose.
king robert was semi-assassinated by that guy keeping him lubricated, khal died from an infected wound from a duel, both half marks at best, not really any sense of the capriciousness of fate/nature. these ppl have no technology or magic, they should be scared of all this shit they can't control but they're not even v religious. neither bob b nor khal d would make it onto the natural causes section on this great list - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_the_British_Isles_by_cause_of_death - highlights include henry I, who died of"food poisoning from eating "a surfeit of lampreys"" & james I of scotland who was assassinated in a monastery, "He attempted to escape his assailants through a sewer but, three days earlier, he had had the other end of the drain blocked up because of its connection to the tennis court outside."
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
they're not even v religious
Not so sure I'd agree with this, religion plays a huge part in their world!
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
xp Cat's father Hoster Tully dies of old age. That's the only one I can think of, though.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
religion plays a huge part in their world!
for the majority of the characters on the tv show this is not really readily apparent
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
is there even a priesthood?
yeah only the fire woman seems remotely interested in doing anything about it, everyone else is basically a c20th anglican
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
churches? holidays?
― ogmor, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk i kinda feel like this is good
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
is it pagan w multiple deities? or monotheistic? is there a good/evil duality as with God/Satan? I really have no idea.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
I have to run to a meeting so I really can't get in depth on this, but I get what you are saying - individual actions don't really seem to reinforce any kind of belief system. However, if nothing else the remnants of religion are all around and impact their daily lives in so many ways! Maybe it just comes across more clearly in the book, but almost every character seems to, at the very least, toss off a prayer to The Warrior or The Mother or whoever. And, c'mon, the entire Stannis plot revolves around the spread of a brand new religion that creeps out those that believe in the old gods.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
yeah the Stannis subplot is the only one with an overt religious dimension that I can think of
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
its almost like the whole thing isnt that coherent or well thought out
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
it does seem odd to do this sort of laborious recreation of medievel European history and completely leave things like the Church out of it
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
seems like closer to a pagan sense of religion (the gods do what they will and we are there play things) rather than a christian one that foregrounds the belief/unbelief question. like they barely seem to distinguish (in the show) between the "new gods and old"--except perhaps for a strong disapproval of black magic. i assume ethics/metaphysics etc exist in the world of the show but it's almost never spoken about.
― ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
Good job Brandon Stark wasn't a bastad from The Reach huh
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
like instead of JESUS what if there were dragons and zombies and some random pagan shit yeah
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
i assume ethics/metaphysics etc exist in the world of the show
absolutely everyone seems to be a nihilist
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
However, this system does not apply to the bastards of smallfolk: at least one parent (usually, but not always, the father) has to be a member of a noble House. If both the father and mother are commoners, the child cannot use the special surname.
The low-born commoners of Westeros do not actually use surnames at all. Therefore, possessing a bastard surname is simultaneously a mark of distinction and badge of shame. Anyone who encounters someone with a bastard surname will immediately know that they are not simply a bastard, but the bastard child of a noble.
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
they should have fancier surnames than just Snow or Wood or Beach or whatever
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:38 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well it seems lots of ppl dig it but for me it rings v false, it's like "skeletor is so much more gritty in this reboot now that he mutilates ppls genitals". I think those topics are too serious & raw to have them pad out a bad guy, unless your take on e.g. the d.r. congo is "i guess they're all just really evil", which given the dothraki-mongols is mb not far off grrm's worldview, idk. I guess the closest thing I can think of that I thought was mb 'good' was having magneto in x-men being a holocaust survivor, but iirc they dealt with that reasonably carefully as opposed to having a big climax where an SS soldier gleefully squashes his brains into the floor while bellowing about how he gassed his family
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
Jon Semi-Worthless Offspring
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
agree that the bastard names are pretty neat. also like the idea of the "sins of the father" playing a role in the series as a whole--given that the entire movement of the plot seems motivated by things that happened between dead people a generation ago.
yeah this strikes me as a very pre-modern sensibility, prior to any sense of a "moral" position from which to criticize the state. not that people don't privately disapprove, but there seems little purchase for any broad critique of power structures from what they have available.
― ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link
I don't think a big chunk of pre-modern ppl were nihilists... mb fatalists
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
Jon Yellowsnow.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
certainly not dentists!!!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
agree fatalism is more accurate
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
Religion is much more important in the books, yeah. But even then, they are hardly as religious as people were in the middle ages, but I don't think that is inexplicable. The church lack political power, so nobody really bothers pretending to be anymore religious than anybody else. But it does sorta speak into the problem with the whole world, in that nobody but the nobility ever has any significance what so ever. No new inventions, no new trading routes, no peasant rebellions. And no religious statutes either. The only thing is magic, which is bound up in the Lord of Light.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
so there is a church?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
The Church of the Seven or whatever is a rough analogue to the Anglican Church, and the books explore its function a little more closely.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
it seems weird to me that there would be magic and yet no institution to exploit it, develop a power base, etc.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
Faith of the Seven is more analogous to Catholicism
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
you've seen weddings and funerals in it so yes
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
oops that's an xpost obv
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
Ehn, it's more of a rubberstamp institution that currently operates largely at the behest of the (laic) ruling class, and not its own sovereign entity.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
there's a history of a militant wing of religious believers. theres a sense that the awesome power of dragons essentially eliminated or supressed all threats to the institutions of the throne and the aristocracy though its not totally adequate in explaining westeros' very modern-feeling apathetic secularism
― max, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
anyhoo yes, most of westeros is at least nominally Catholish, except the divinity is sevenfold rather than a trinity. There's still a strong Druish presence in the North.
Not unlike Olde Europe!
Melisandre's monotheism is a new import from Essos but she didn't invent it. Thoros is Myrish and an adherent as well.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
very modern-feeling apathetic secularism
well this is sort of what's most interesting about it as an alternative universe. it's like a middle ages without christianity. like power doesn't appeal to theology to justify itself but instead can only justify itself through, well, power. it's like a middle ages with the mask of piety stripped off. which makes sense given the constant lack of legitimacy and subsequent power struggles constantly going on.
― ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:15 (ten years ago) link
im actually super glad they dont get into all the church stuff in this, that stuff has been doooooone to death in every medieval thing ever. its refreshing that its only sort of tangential.
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link
xp, it's like in the absence of the divine right to rule you get...the Mountain.
― ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
religion is much much bigger in the books, catelyn is pretty devout from what i recall but by and large it's another dropped from the show as something that doesn't drive the plot at that moment and something that doesn't lend itself to tits and gore (the notable exception on these fronts is the one case where they have worked it in though even there i'm not sure they've done it at all well). it's also probably another case where their taking that shortcut of just not dealing w/ something cuz it wasn't necessary is going to rob later stuff of the impact or even logic it should have.
lena headey had this on her instagram a while back -
http://games-of-thrones.ru/sites/default/files/pictures/5750-9-015_f2-copy-518x470.jpg
― balls, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
oic her thumbnails look like tiny cartoon eyes!
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
btw just want to say that max's morning after things are pretty great and essential reading for anyone who hasn't read the books or read them but didn't like memorize them or anything.
― balls, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
My thoughts exactly! xp
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:26 (ten years ago) link
You have the Old Gods in the north, sort of an unstructured pagan religion, dying out even in the north but connected with all the various mystical things currently happening beyond the wall (wargs, zombies, tree visions etc). The main religion is the New Gods, or the Seven. It's more structured, it's a church with priests and nuns (septons, septas), is mainly in the south but is spreading. There's a pantheon of seven gods representing different things, people will sometimes just worship the one or they may pray to each one as needed. There's a clergy that likes to think of itself as important but on the whole people are very casual about their beliefs.
The New Gods are like Christianity when it's nice, Melisandre's religion is a bit more like Christianity when it's horrible. It has concepts like sin and a one true god and crusades where you either convert everyone in the world or wipe them out. I can't remember if this is how the religion always works or if it's just her, but you always see it through her so it possibly doesn't matter. It has two gods - the one true god who is everything good - and "the Other", who is kind of like the devil in a "he's powerful like God but also not as powerful as God because no one is" sort of way. There's also a Jesus figure called Azor Ahai who dies but who all followers of the religion believe will return one day. There are a lot of prophecies about this ("born of salt and smoke"), enough that there are plenty of fan theories about which character in the books is Azor Ahai. Stannis fits the prophecy and Melisandre has told him that it's him. It's probably not, if only because it almost definitely won't be the obvious person, but it's not clear whether Melisandre herself believes this or if she's manipulating him.
Many xposts, sorry.
― Dust, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Also a few other smaller religions (Drowned God in the Iron Islands, a few Essos ones) that don't affect much but seem personally important to some characters.
― Dust, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link
but who's the harry crane of westeros? (sorry)
― ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
whos the harry potter
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
Harry Crane = Rickon Stark, he's obv the real genius in this.
― Dust, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
lol am i the last person to find out about these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j29YFo4FZaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCGk_k_lQm4
― balls, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link
to me he's always rab from the book group
http://dearscotland.com/wp-content/themes/bloggingstream/thumb.php?src=http://dearscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/the-book-group1.jpg&h=430&w=430&zc=1&q=90
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link
Doesn't Tyrion go "shouldn't you at least wear a helmet?" to Oberyn right before the fight?
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
to me the Hound will always be YARP from Hot Fuzz
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5tveqZdiy1rsvkuqo1_500.png
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
Apparently in the books Oberyn gets repeatedly punched rather than "popped". Realllllllly feel like they should have kept this so the "CUNG CUNG CUNG" (smashing beetle) bit in the beetle story would have been some neat foreshadowing to Oberyn's fate. No? Also heard the beetle speech isn't even in the books.
― Evan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
If Tyrion had just squished that beetle Oberyn would've lived.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
Oberyn scene is pretty true to the books.
“Elia of Dorne,” they all heard Ser Gregor say, when they were close enough to kiss. His deep voice boomed within the helm. “I killed her screaming whelp.” He thrust his free hand into Oberyn’s unprotected face, pushing steel fingers into his eyes. “Then I raped her.” Clegane slammed his fist into the Dornishman’s mouth, making splinters of his teeth. “Then I smashed her fucking head in. Like this.” As he drew back his huge fist, the blood on his gauntlet seemed to smoke in the cold dawn air. There was a sickening crunch. Ellaria Sand wailed in terror, and Tyrion’s breakfast came boiling back up. He found himself on his knees retching bacon and sausage and applecakes, and that double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers.”
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
fiery Dornish peppers
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
there is no limit to GRRM's ability to just start thinking about food in the middle of writing something
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
OK two punches total. No head squeeze pop. Still would have fit with the beetle story better.
― Evan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
smashed head in...?
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
He thrust his free hand into Oberyn’s unprotected face, pushing steel fingers into his eyes. “Then I raped her.” Clegane slammed his fist into the Dornishman’s mouth, making splinters of his teeth.
i have no fn idea how u all read 5000 pages of this shit
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b280/korip/crushyourhead.jpg
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
TBF it's mostly 5000 pages of:
bacon and sausage and applecakes, and that double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
lets not forget the boiled leather doublets
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link
yeah there's a lot of long food and clothing descriptions to break up the grossness
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
judging from the show, I assume there are copious pages of loving descriptions of breasts
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
i wasnt complaining abt the grossness, rather i exclaimed "this prose is just so horrid!" as i typed like rabid wolf after a fox
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
ha sry that was a terrible impression i only listened to part of the first one
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
my review: it is bad
The prose isn't what one reads these books for
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:51 (ten years ago) link
Oh god I've soldiered through spec-fic novels with far worse prose than GRRM.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
Try Peter F Hamilton some time.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
no u cant make me
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
It's not like he's as bad as John Updike.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
um hello he is much worse than john updike
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
yeah tbh ASOIAF is actually better-written than most contemporary genre stuff. says a lot about contemporary genre stuff.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link
How would you rewrite those passages to improve the prose
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
more peppers!
― balls, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
Gregor couldn't get enough of those fiery Dornish peepers
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
I think he generally describes what's happening reasonably efficiently and evocatively, don't want a great deal more from heavily plot-driven stuff TBH.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
he popped his head open and brains went everywhere and a dwarf vomits. i raped yr sister lol.
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
That extract makes me very glad I'm watching and not reading.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
I think he generally describes what's happening reasonably efficiently
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:00 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the craziest thought someones probably ever had like even if you love the books you cant believe this
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:02 (ten years ago) link
not that i think they need to be efficient
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
me rapist I crush you head dwarf barf
how's that for efficient
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
"I killed her, screaming "welp"..."
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
hahahahaha i didnt realize he actually went full on GRRM feast-description in that passage
― max, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:27 (ten years ago) link
its like the adrenaline high point of the entire fucking series and he cant help but describe a fucking feast
― max, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
not just that but i love how imagining tyrion's vomit he can't help himself from thinking 'ooh, and there'd be bits of bacon in it! and applecakes! and fiery dornish peppers!', it's like he's writing that sentence specifically to appeal to a dog.
― balls, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:40 (ten years ago) link
It's unintentional self-parody (if gyac wasn't playing subtle editor there).
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
alas
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
lagoon I'd read yr rewrite of GOT books if you are so inclined fyi
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
brevity is source of wit and really just easier for everyone
cool ill get to work on that shd be done in like 40 years
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
Not very efficient. : \
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link
yet he'll still beat martin to the end
― Clay, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 00:20 (ten years ago) link
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:28 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― max, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:28 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
im dying with laughter over here
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 00:49 (ten years ago) link
it's so true
"and with cries of anguish she screamed as her brother took sword blow after sword blow, crimson rivers of blood flowing down the palace steps, while onlookers feasted on glistening slabs of suckling pig freshly roasted with young crabapples, brandywine filling their ornate goblets to wash the juices that sheened their hungry mouths...."
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 02:47 (ten years ago) link
Good lord how did you people slog through that
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 02:58 (ten years ago) link
well that one's parody unless my eyes were deeply glazed over by the last leg
― Clay, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 02:59 (ten years ago) link
of chicken, its juices trickling down walder frey's chin as he smiled at rob stark kneeling, rivers of blood pouring from his wounds and pooling about the suckling pig that had been swept off a nearby table by a dying north bannerman, apple still firmly within its teeth.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 03:27 (ten years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/q1GkkoM.png
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 04:01 (ten years ago) link
the kinda comical say whaaaat look tyrion had on his face at the end (like he'd never seen a pizza that large or something)
Not caught up on the thread yet but need to highlight this. Lmao
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 13:31 (ten years ago) link
those bastard name sound like mls team names to me.― ryan, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:02 AM (20 hours ago) Bookmark
― ryan, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:02 AM (20 hours ago) Bookmark
Hahaha nailed it
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link
I've heard that his other books are written in a more restrained manner. Quite a few fans of things like Fevre Dream, Sand Kings and Armageddon Rag apparently don't like the Ice And Fire series. I bought Fevre Dream a few months before Game Of Thrones tv show started and I still haven't read it but I'm still looking forward to it.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
its like the adrenaline high point of the entire fucking series and he cant help but describe a fucking feast― max, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:28 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinknot just that but i love how imagining tyrion's vomit he can't help himself from thinking 'ooh, and there'd be bits of bacon in it! and applecakes! and fiery dornish peppers!', it's like he's writing that sentence specifically to appeal to a dog.― balls, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:40 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark
― max, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:28 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― balls, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:40 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark
Probably for the spoiler thread but yeah like 50% of the books are descriptions of food and 49.9% descriptions of clothing
Did you guys know that there were 77 dishes served at Joffrey's wedding and he describes every single fucking one of them
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
I wanna know who the teenage nihilist is they have on the writing crew
Arya's "nothing" speech last ep and the Beetle Speech this ep
Every time they need some kind of pontification on the nihlism of existence they ring up this dude
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link
i loved arya's nothing speech. the arya-hound stuff is far and away the best subplot this season, and aside from charles dance and michael mcelhatton theyre the best regulars
― max, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
does that include littlefinger's ladder monologue from last season too
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
Yeah my love for teenage nihilism is clear as I've demonstrated on the True Detective thread
But the tone of those monologues always feels very distinct from the rest of the show, maybe I just have an acute nihilism detector
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
I am feeling the Sansa & Littlefinger subplot as well - Arya and the Hound is an amazing double-act but it's mostly just been them walking around and occasionally killing some people.
Really hope all these characters come together properly at the Vale though. Brienne & Podrick need to meet Arya & The Hound, it can only lead to deeply suspicious wagon-circling lols.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
FWIW I found the flayed ironborn more gross than Oberyn
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
Also re: infection talk upthread, don't forget that the Hound is walking pusbag right now
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
omg the beetle speech was so not nihilistic
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link
Seemed that way to me
You wanna know why this guy is killing all these beetles
But then a horse kicks him in the head
Life is pointless like that sometimes
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
Or sometimes the world sends something along to kill murderous idiots
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:41 (ten years ago) link
i feel like it was somewhat about the limits of our ability to understand, like tyrion is very smart but he still cant figure it out the bug crushers deal, tho he can perceive that there is a reason, but mostly i think it was about his own humanity and sensitivity rubbing up against the uncaring calcified culture all around him, like everyone around him was quite nihilistic while he had some sort of deeper understanding, and that contrast was painful, but i dont think that qualifies as a endorsement of nihilism being true, like at the end youre waiting to see if he crushes the bug or lets it go, and he lets it go and doesnt even seem like he was considering crushing it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I guess Tyrion left out the detail about the horse getting his eyes popped out
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link
That's a good read on Tyrion xp
― 龜, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
also like tyrion is the bug constantly being crushed - his trying to understand the bug crusher is proxy for trying to understand tywin + cersei + everyone cruel
― Mordy, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
also the thing Tyrion released (pillbug, roly poly, they go by many names) is not only not a beetle but not even an insect. They are tiny crustaceans. FYI.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
Arya's "nothing" comment was pretty far from being a speech. She did a good job with the read- it didn't come off like an atheist truth bomb kind of thing, she made it seem like something the character was realizing as she said it. It didn't linger too long and it didn't sound to me like it was trying to be so #profound #jadensmith
― Evan, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
it was the right "bug" for the scene though cause that's exactly what I would expect to see crawling in a dungeon.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
xp totally Jaden Smith levels. It's not a super-deep show, idk why people are trying to read more into these clunky "meaningful" bits of dialogue when most of the meaning in the show is in what people do rather than what they say.
― gyac, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
I guess it just didn't bother me so much.
― Evan, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
was fine w/ tyrion's beetlemania, felt one part deep thoughts, one part explaining tyrion's curiosity and tying it to his general humanity, one part this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16WC_Dyo6Fo
arya and the hound feels way more fleshed out than the little bit that was in the book, for the better. that is one thing the show has been able to do more than or better than the books, develop these relationships (some of which aren't even in the book - eg tywin and arya). the same thing happened w/ ygritte and jon snow, and that was w/ the handicap of kit harrington. also rmde at this show and tna but if it takes the form of missandei bathing every week i'll learn to deal. she fine.
― balls, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it's because her character in the book is 11 but Missandei was the one female character on the show who wasn't going to get her kit off.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
the one character I didn't think was going to etc.
apparently the beetle speech was a dig at Orson Scott Card? I guess he managed to diss the show in between all his other insane rants
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
My brother was considering giving up the books, he is at Feast and he heard others saying Dance was as big a slog as where he is at. He felt characters are generally just as good or better (Varys, Margaery and some others) on the tv show. I thought that maybe the epic fantasy elements would be better in the books (something live action screen versions almost never do well) but he says they aren't in much focus.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
Dance is much less of a slog than Feast IMO.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
― Number None, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:59 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha good
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
Did Card make a book about beetles or something, I don't read that loser.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
the bad guys in enders game were bugs
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
and I'm pretty sure all he writes these days is pointless spins on that series
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
Orson Scott Card is the idiot cousin
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
no shit
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
Well, Orson Lannister in the show.
― Evan, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
there's been some good stuff w/ the hound&arya but they've got a lot of pride between them. brienne&podrick are great & it feels like they might actually admit they enjoy each other's company. the wandering is best when it increases the scope, reminding you how despite all the Everyone Hates The Lannisters sitcom actually nothing much is going on for most ppl & we check in on hot pie & all he's been caring about is gravy
― ogmor, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
for the most part all the odd couple traveling companions have been great
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
aside from a few bits here and there (the "nothing" monologue included) i think the traveling stuff has been ponderous. im getting a whiff of the shaggy dog from the hound and arya. but im one of those who think the show takes a drastic drop in quality whenever it leaves kings landing.
― ryan, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link
im getting a whiff of the shaggy dog from the hound and arya.
I see what you did there. Esp. since Arya's hair is growing out.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
glad someone noticed!
― ryan, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
I've liked the multiple wandering bands, certainly much more interesting than dwagon queens ongoing court drama and the red queen/lord of light slow burn
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
"reminding you how despite all the Everyone Hates The Lannisters sitcom actually nothing much is going on for most ppl & we check in on hot pie & all he's been caring about is gravy"
Uhm, yeah... book-spoiler perhaps, but if that is what people get from those scenes - and before I began reading the books, I'd probably agree - then the show is sorta falling down on describing what's in the books...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link
im rewatching the first ep, dinklage has blonde hair
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 June 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link
He probably hasn't bathed much since then.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Saturday, 7 June 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
Well that was pretty snooze town. And not half as eventful as the blackwater episode.
― Dreamland, Monday, 9 June 2014 01:55 (ten years ago) link
I was really hoping this season's wildling/nights watch battle would end here but I guess not.
― Dreamland, Monday, 9 June 2014 01:56 (ten years ago) link
during the death scene with samwell's friend i kept thinking
http://youtu.be/sYjy7uUn7fc?t=2m20s
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Monday, 9 June 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
xxp yeah less plot dev than blackwater, another paper hanger probably for next season since i assume they won't return to this plotline too much next week. hopefully a more interesting finale ep than previous seasons will follow
― building a desert (art), Monday, 9 June 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
many arrows
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 03:40 (ten years ago) link
hammy deathscene more like "bugger bognor!" right?
― Paul, Monday, 9 June 2014 03:49 (ten years ago) link
They killed Pyp! D:
THEY KILLED GRENN! D:
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 9 June 2014 05:00 (ten years ago) link
i kinda dug this ep! i like a good long battle sequence
that wall scythe was badass
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 June 2014 05:07 (ten years ago) link
Same!!
That single panning shot that tracked the action inside Castle Black was boss, eff the haters.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 9 June 2014 05:08 (ten years ago) link
dual front battles always p exciting imo
also dudes holding the inner gate against the giant was kinda corny but i dug it a lot
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 June 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link
I will admit that one shot in castle black was wild
― Dreamland, Monday, 9 June 2014 05:23 (ten years ago) link
I just wish they would've cut to king's landing, or, anything else really. Just once
― Dreamland, Monday, 9 June 2014 05:24 (ten years ago) link
noooooo that's why it was gr8
all these eps have like 5 sep storylines, it was great to have this one breathe & give the full scale of battle.
that castle black shot was like if there was a battle in that mc escher castle drawing
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 June 2014 05:29 (ten years ago) link
My favorite shot:
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Ice-Age-2-ice-age-627024_1600_1200.jpg
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 9 June 2014 06:00 (ten years ago) link
RIP Ygritte, she thought she knew stuff
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 June 2014 06:44 (ten years ago) link
i dug the long, stylized errol flynn battlescene action throughout and in the lengthy single shot particularly; far prefer the swashbuckling approach over rape/gore/torture/repeat as these huge set pieces goand single episode location was really welcomemore giants please
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 June 2014 06:51 (ten years ago) link
here here
― Leon Septamost, Monday, 9 June 2014 10:20 (ten years ago) link
i loved it too. it was incredibly videogamey! if i have time this afternoon i might throw in some HP damage indicators and the occasional gleaming "LEVEL UP" rising from particular strikes
― Karl Malone, Monday, 9 June 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
This episode fucking ruled
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 June 2014 13:31 (ten years ago) link
zs, a few hadokens and a contra guy backflipping through the midst would be a nice touch too
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 June 2014 13:48 (ten years ago) link
lol wtf is jon snow gonna do, h8 jon sno, h8 the wall
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link
actually the wall is v cool but the people there are unchill
it takes a lot of work to be un"chill" at the wall
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 9 June 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
This is the first time the Wall has been fun! Loved this episode probably because it was virtually all action and low on development of characters I don't care about.
― Matt DC, Monday, 9 June 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
If Samwell hasn't died by now he probably isn't going to but come the fuck on.
― Matt DC, Monday, 9 June 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
i dont really care for action really and that action wasnt too good imo, it was pretty stilted and like too linear, the show and shows in general have a hard time being cinematic when they need to, maybe not a big enough budget
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
the giant is lifting the door... he is still lifting the door
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
looking forward to whatever madness they have ready for the finale tho
yeah this was not exactly Kurosawa, I got a little bored but the wall scythe thing was lol and oh surprise surprise Ygritte's dead
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 June 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
rip ygritte u never shldve fd w that feeb jon sno
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
Gonna miss Rose Leslie
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 9 June 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link
From a fight choreo POV, I actually dug the Jon vs. the (heh heh) Head Thenn fight -- did not get a sense of HUEG that dude was till then -- way more than Mtn Vs. Viper. I dunno if the Mtn's sword was too heavy for the Halfthor or if he was too uncoordinated to swing it convincingly, but it was a very bumbling fight. Big Thenn Whoever though was swinging that axe like a born MF, it was a lot more dynamic and convincing, plus it had the benefit of not having a disgusting climax.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 9 June 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
yeah, Yuri Kolokolnikov is gargantuan.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 June 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
yeah agree the mountain didn't seem as menacing as Head Thenn. tho I supposed part of the point was for Oberyn to own him a bit before it got to his head.
― ryan, Monday, 9 June 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
the mountain wasnt actually that cool hes just a piece of shit bully
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
Hah. GOT is the only tv show where someone gets a hammer through the skull and it's not a disgusting climax at all.
― Dreamland, Monday, 9 June 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
Did anyone else yell out HAMMERTIME, BITCH
― kinder, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
Wall scythe was the best bit too
― kinder, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
The whole thing could have been easily confused for a Metalocalypse episode
― Evan, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
yeah there was something v videogamey about it that made me care less
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
scythe is a major reason. I think it would have been cooler looking if that scythe was all rusted out for being in that wall all this time (presumably unused).
― Evan, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
I had fun with the episode. Nothing particularly bothered me about it honestly.
― Evan, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
climbing up the wall seems like a bad plan, especially at the exact point where all the crows are, especially after declaring ur gonna do it by lighting a big fire
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
also not coordinating w the giants attempting to open the gate
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
not so sure abt this mance guys leadership ability
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
how cool a name is mance rayder though
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
when they voted for king beyond the wall I'm sure it sealed his victory.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah thats prob why hes in charge
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
no wonder u wildlings cant even build a house
They even have a Maester Morbius complaining bitterly about his policies.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
The wall scythe was really cool. My biggest complaint is there wasn't nearly enough dog-killing-humans action. A further quibble is that they seemed weirdly slow to set the giants and mammoths on fire.
Happy to see more of Gilly (two seasons ago when I was less a fan of the show, I was considering only watching to see more Hannah Murray, I love her). Hope Sam gets lucky with her.
Does that leader of the night's watch guy remind any of you of Father Jack from Father Ted?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
Also, why didn't Jon take his wolf with him to see Mance?
― schwantz, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
ahahaha yes
― kinder, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
feck off, elephant!
I think jon left the wolf in charge
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:51 (ten years ago) link
The mammoth was pretty fucking cool.
― Matt DC, Monday, 9 June 2014 22:53 (ten years ago) link
i think the giants were CGI
― Karl Malone, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
The actor is real, just doubled in size
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link
he was too strong for cgi imo u cant get cgi that strong i mean thats 4 inches of cold rolled steel forget about it
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
if they had a bigger budget they could have shown the mammoth smashing through the wildling lines
did the attacks in the book come at night or is that mostly a way to save cgi moneys?
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 9 June 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
I was wondering about what was cgi because everything looked much better than their usual cgi creations. Pretty sure the giants were guys in big suits.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
A lot of good info about how things were shot here
http://www.vulture.com/2014/06/neil-marshall-game-of-thrones-director-wall-battle.html
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link
couldn't stop laughing at the little nod the kid gave Jon Snow after he iced Ygritte
― Number None, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link
perfectly timed here imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4oQzTGTc_g
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 9 June 2014 23:28 (ten years ago) link
― Number None, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
iirc everything equiv to the books from last episode took place at night, yes. martin's probably at his worst when writing battles/action (a lot of this kinda stuff in the books is just downright confusing to read, for me at least) so i probably tuned out a fair bit of it.
blackwater bay stuff took place during the day though and they shifted that to night in the show explicitly to save cash.
― Clay, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 9, 2014 5:09 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― lag∞n, Monday, June 9, 2014 5:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah I was thinking this too. Wouldn't a whole army helping open that gate have sped things up? And yeah going up the wall, which probably would take hours, is kind of pointless when the dudes at the top could just shove your forehead and send you all the way to the bottom. Or say you actually DID hoist yourself up over the edge... you're gonna fight people now?
Apparently in the books the raid via the south was a separate battle with the intention that they'd just open the gate for the wildling army from the inside. TV adaptation has them climbing a gigantic wall in the one place they're defending it.
― Evan, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link
May be too big.
http://37.media.tumblr.com/4a1b19a87353344d8c2ed940a2762ebb/tumblr_n6vveaVZrP1sys9eso7_1280.jpg
― nickn, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
Open in new tab to see full size.
― nickn, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
First episode of this season I've enjoyed. Too often it seems like a series of vaguely connected scenes with no forward trajectory. Odd, then, that it took a big dumb battle scene for me to actually feel like I'm invested in any of it.
― fields of salmon, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link
from a tactical perspective, forcing the watch to spread their forces (defending against the climbers plus those assaulting the gates etc.) makes sense. plus as they said in the show this was a test of the castle's defenses so the wall assault could have fit with that idea.
realistically it was just a vehicle for that anchor thing to smash up the ice
― building a desert (art), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
Totally fun episode. But still seems like 100,000 wildings with mammoths and giants and cannibal freaks should have been able to at least off Sam Tarly and the elevator operator kid.
― brio, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 04:16 (ten years ago) link
i kept thinking about how fucked they'd be at the top if only someone thought to disable the elevator
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 04:28 (ten years ago) link
ya - taking the steps would be annoying for sure.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
And how does that elevator work? Does the kid have to turn a crank to raise it?
― nickn, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 06:50 (ten years ago) link
I seem to recall the battle taking place over several days and nights in the book, but I could be misremembering.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 11:24 (ten years ago) link
Brio says "But still seems like 100,000 wildings with mammoths and giants and cannibal freaks should have been able to at least off Sam Tarly and the elevator operator kid." Only a very small portion attacked that night. Looked like 150 at most.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
i'm so confident in this prediction that i'm going to go ahead and call it a spoiler: jon snow has a highly contagious disease and that's why he's going on a solo/suicide mission to confront the wildlings. he's just going to approach the camp and then logroll around on people until everyone's dead
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
jon snow is a highly contagious disease
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
Only a very small portion attacked that night. Looked like 150 at most.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:19 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah that was just the small band of wildlings that were already on the other side of the wall
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
early in the episode, right after the little fireside exchange between ygritte and lolhueg cannibal, who do we see sneaking along the ridge above them? Gilly?
― a chap could lose his bearings in weather like this (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
i liked that Tormund's go-to story is about fucking a bear.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
ha yeah and everyone thinks its super cool
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah this bugged me too
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that was Gilly. What's her face saved her from the nearby town raid and set her on her way to Castle Black I'm guessing.
― Dreamland, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2014/04/game_of_thrones_deaths_mourn_dead_characters_at_their_virtual_graveyard.html
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 22:54 (ten years ago) link
ugh can't believe people's love for this episode. so many minutes of all the reasons i don't give a shit about this show. less fights more ingenious plots please.
i mean it doesn't surprise me: people love action sequences, and this is what keeps superhero franchises afloat. but i find it so dull.
esp as so little even changed at the end of all that hack 'n slash. ygritte dead, some recurring characters exed, but basically still: big army vs tiny army, TUNE IN NEXT WEEK.
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link
Eh. Show's not really hurting for more of people scheming and threatening one another, it's OK to pay off all the set-up of moving armies and impending doom with a big battle set piece episode like once every other season.
This was well done and kind of impressive spectacle for TV. Dug it.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 04:58 (ten years ago) link
especially since this show's been pretty light on massive battles and the wildling army is as big as they come. I think what was lacking was the buildup to it. It was more like, now here's an episode about the Wall. But I've found this season pretty choppy overall in terms of narrative flow.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 05:03 (ten years ago) link
Glad to see I’m not alone Sean, most boring episode by far of the season.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 06:59 (ten years ago) link
someone in this max-led recap/discussion says you can see the boy getting a horse to pull it at some point in the episode.
― woof, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 08:32 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, this has been a very 'talky' season and the penultimate episode is always the big gory bouquet anyway. I agree that long action-based episodes can get a bit boring, but this had some great bits. I especially liked the doomy, arch hypothesising from all parties as they await the attack and their certain deaths.
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 09:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm sure I saw the kid push the crank to raise the elevator? What are you all on about?
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 09:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah I saw him push something too but maybe it was the handbrake or something. idk. We need to see the blueprints.
(I'm not quite interested enough in the question to rewatch in order to spot whether there's a crank-horse. (almost though))
Enjoyed the episode more than I thought I would. I've been regularly slightly bored this season, especially with anything Northern - the wall, those kids tramping around with the dream trees etc. Joyless, sluggish. But this was fun.
― woof, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 09:54 (ten years ago) link
I thought last seasons was the slow burning, slightly boring one (until the wedding episode anyway) and this season's been more fun, mostly.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 10:38 (ten years ago) link
It was like a big wheel with a rudder that he pushed round.
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 10:38 (ten years ago) link
Something really has to happen with those dreamtree kids. I don't even remember how Bran met them or who they are - they just seemed to show up and have all this mystic knowledge and I think that's a big reason I don't give a hoot about them.
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 10:40 (ten years ago) link
They are the kids of the lord of Moat Calin, the grotty castle we saw Theon retake from the Iron Islanders recently. They know the Starks from way back.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 11:24 (ten years ago) link
that is not entirely correct. in the books the reeds are of greywater watch, sw of moat cailin.
― Clay, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 11:37 (ten years ago) link
Oops my mistake. Been a while since I read the books.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 11:38 (ten years ago) link
especially since this show's been pretty light on massive battles and the wildling army is as big as they come.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:03 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbf this episode was pretty light on massive battles too, how many people were actually involved in it 60?
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 12:12 (ten years ago) link
My main problem with this episode was the ending. So the entire episode was devoted to a test of the defences? And now Mance Rayder is just going to take a break and allow the crows to set up all the defensive stuff again, get some sleep, etc? The lack of resolution and any kind of consequence was awful, and it seems as if they just structured the story like this to try and get another Blackwater.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:21 (ten years ago) link
http://giant.gfycat.com/IdleDamagedKiskadee.gif
― dan m, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link
haha that kid was so proud of himself after he shot Ygritte, best scene of the evening after the Scythe
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:27 (ten years ago) link
xpost - I don't know why all the thousands of wildlings have decided to take a break?
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:32 (ten years ago) link
On the elevator- the kid pushes a crank that sets things in motion and it goes by itself at that point. Just... don't think about it too hard ok? Gears and stuff.
― Evan, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:34 (ten years ago) link
Maybe the wildlings are reassembling due to some key giants taken down + wild gigantic mammoth running away (key for gate removal) + scythe induced PTSD. I still agree that the TV rewrite having the wildlings attacking via wall is entirely for the theatrics and nobody would actually try that for any reason.
― Evan, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:38 (ten years ago) link
But either the wildlings only had two giants and a mammoth, in which case it makes no sense to throw all of that at the wall and only a fraction of the wildlings, or they have many more giants and mammoths, in which case they should use them now before the crows get more barrels of oil up to the top. It's all just weird.
They sacrificed logic for theatrics, and thereby created an episode that becomes less and less satisfying.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
Wildlings are totally useless if they don't get to bed before 10:30 sharp.
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
seriously, you have no idea.
I just like to imagine that there was some reason only a handful got to the wall at the point that they did and were hoping it would be an easier siege than it was.
― Evan, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link
maybe they just did it for a laugh
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
In the books the southern wildling attack was a separate event, so in this case you could imagine the handful that attacked the wall via the north were trying to distract forces from focusing on the battle in the castle. Maybe? eh? eh?
― Evan, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
http://global3.memecdn.com/khuu-khuu_c_3329267.webp
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link
The episode was surely surely about establishing John Snow as the de facto commander of the Night's Watch? I mean who else is there?
They might kill him next week, I suppose, but they only seem to kill Starks in odd numbered seasons.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
GoT plots this season in ascending order of lameness:
Joffrey getting murdered/Tyrion imprisonment -> Littlefinger kidnapping Sansa -> Arya and The Hound -> shit kicking off at the Wall -> Brienne and Podrick sort of wandering around getting on each other's nerves -> Daenerys just sort of hanging around not doing much -> Stannis kru just standing around grumpily -> anything involving Theon and the Boltons -> Samwell and Gilly and their pointless irrelevant baby -> fucking magical animal kids wandering around in the snow.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
tell me about it. I feel like all present-day genre entertainment would just be 100% this all the time if it could. Guh.
(but the scythe was k-awes)
― shameless pureyors of slop-on-plate (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
Forks otm
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/omc/kidsphil/questions/Wherewild/wild.jpg
OG Wildling, sent to bed without dinner
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
― Dreamland, Monday, June 9, 2014 1:24 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hahah what
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 12 June 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link
when this episode started i was like "how great would it be if they never leave the wall this ep and do it kinda in real time"
and they did!
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 12 June 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link
i was kind of hoping gilly would have fallen in love with bald nights watch guy by the end of the ep tho, that would have been a good twist
― ryan, Monday, June 9, 2014 1:12 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9627011/photos/golfclap.gif
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 01:55 (ten years ago) link
i wouldve been cool if they cut to kings landing and everyone was bored and nothing was happeing
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 01:55 (ten years ago) link
i liked this action movie. sometimes shows just need a break from all the menacing looks and talky-talk.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
and eyeball-gouging.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:04 (ten years ago) link
Somebody def got a dirk in the eye for like half a sec
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:04 (ten years ago) link
Really came around on Alliser / Owen Teale
I love cheesy speeches before battle
I wanna go die for something right now
Maybe die for a bowl of ice cream
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link
I just think the whole military mindset of the night's watch is my least favorite part of the series. And I love battle scenes. Four seasons in and I still don't give a shit about jon snow. Besides that ya know..maybe I don't want him to die, for his sisters I guess.
But really in general I would much rather watch the dramatic/violent shit show played out at KL.
― Dreamland, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link
jon snow is terrible i hope he dies
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
i love how much u hate jon snow
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
Coincidentally I would kill for a bowl of ice cream
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
God Dreamland if you love King's Landing so much why don't you marry it
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
lol doesnt everyone h8 jon snow i just assumed xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:14 (ten years ago) link
Jon snow is like eddie vedder crossed w/a puppy but I like him.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
he is so unchill and not smart
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
Too paranoid about a marriage now, obviously
― Dreamland, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
Yeah he's good
I was surprised to find out people think the guy who acts him does as poor a job as Dany
I think he fits well w/ how I pictured him from the books
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link
how u gonna get by in game of thrones when u got no game, i guess thats kinda the point of his character, hes the yin to little fingers yang
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link
Also I don't think Dany is a bad actress
GRRM's Dany material really is just atrociously bad & really bad
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:17 (ten years ago) link
i like her when she gets all righteous and yells at slave masters
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:17 (ten years ago) link
i dont h8 her storyline at all tbh
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link
I would totes follow Dany into battle and not just cause of her supple skin and narcissistic ways
― Dreamland, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
I'd follow her bc I don't want to be on the bad side of 3 dragons
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
Plus the dragons will kill N cook mutton for you
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
Ygritte got a shitty death compared to all the mens.
Was annoyed there was no Manse but at least he got mentioned so perhaps gets his big horn out next week.
Are there no lady giants?
― nashwan, Thursday, 12 June 2014 09:27 (ten years ago) link
Jon Snow looks more and more like celebrity food critic Jay Rayner every episode
― thomasintrouble, Thursday, 12 June 2014 10:28 (ten years ago) link
No spoilers, nashwan!!!!!!!
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 11:34 (ten years ago) link
I was always under the impression that itt no spoilers meant no book spoilers?
― Dreamland, Thursday, 12 June 2014 12:35 (ten years ago) link
manse has a big horn damn not sure if i even feel like watching this show any more
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 12:36 (ten years ago) link
Manse to attack the Wall with tuneless tenor sax renditions of 'Baker Street'.
(I thought a horn had been mentioned in the show before but can't remember now, sorry if not)
― nashwan, Thursday, 12 June 2014 12:55 (ten years ago) link
Also ye it is Mance not Manse.
― nashwan, Thursday, 12 June 2014 12:57 (ten years ago) link
manse raider
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 12:58 (ten years ago) link
fancy manse
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link
haha yeah if it suddenly cut to someone eating a lemon cake after the thenn's head caved in it would be funny
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
half heartedly watching a jester, trying on a new doublet
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 13:55 (ten years ago) link
a manse raider is not the most fearsome notion, on a par with 'vicarage intruder' or 'brigand of the rectory'
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 June 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Mance Plainer
― kinder, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
Loool
― 龜, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link
he does tend to talk over everybody, being the king beyond the wall and all.
― ryan, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
Mense Raydar.
Tormund's got a bigger horn.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
Not all mence
― polyphonic, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=mance+rayder+&t=1000&a=n
Carney DreamCreamed YarnA CREAMY NERDA Narc RemedyAce And Merry.... so many.
― ian, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
CANDY REAMER
― ian, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Surprised that I liked the last episode so much, because even though the Wall wasn't one of my favourite plotlines in the books, it manages to be much more boring on the show.
Anyway, Emmy nominations are out.
Actors: For best supporting, Peter Dinklage, Emilia Clarke, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Lena Headey, Charles Dance, Natalie Dormer, Maisie Williams, Sophie Turner and Kit Harington. Surprising omission: Aidan Gillen (Littlefinger), who has been great this season, and has had plenty to do. For guest actors, Pedro Pascal was submitted for Prince Oberyn and Diana Rigg for Lady Olenna.
How is Aiden Gillen the surprise omission when Jack Gleeson's still not up there?!
― gyac, Saturday, 14 June 2014 12:52 (ten years ago) link
emmy nominations aren't out btw, that's just who submitted for consideration
― balls, Saturday, 14 June 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that was what I meant.
― gyac, Saturday, 14 June 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
haha i was like wow that's a lot of nominations, did they fill the entire categories
― socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 June 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link
Creamed Yarn new album dropping this winter
― Dreamland, Saturday, 14 June 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm somewhat sure that the actors themselves decide whether to submit or not. Gleeson, after only being in two episodes and reportedly quitting acting after this, may just not care?
― Boris Babacar Diaw-Riffiod (Clay), Saturday, 14 June 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
I hope Gleason isn't quitting because of how hated his character is :->
― 龜, Saturday, 14 June 2014 23:24 (ten years ago) link
Naw I think he's really into earning his maester's chain becoming a philosophy grad student is all.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Saturday, 14 June 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link
yeah, he wants to go into academia
― Number None, Saturday, 14 June 2014 23:28 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Saturday, 14 June 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/aCXBnF7.png
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Sunday, 15 June 2014 00:11 (ten years ago) link
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2014/06/12/hbo-game-of-thrones-fourth-season-finale/10354793/
― Dreamland, Sunday, 15 June 2014 05:21 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFYtAadKdxs
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Sunday, 15 June 2014 22:32 (ten years ago) link
Annnnd scene. (For now.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 June 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link
that stannis appearance really made the last few EPs for me. didn't see that coming at all
― building a desert (art), Monday, 16 June 2014 02:22 (ten years ago) link
emmy to the hound
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 June 2014 02:30 (ten years ago) link
^^the fuckin hound. amazing
― Dreamland, Monday, 16 June 2014 02:37 (ten years ago) link
Tywin scene..liked how they did it
― Dreamland, Monday, 16 June 2014 02:41 (ten years ago) link
this was a really good episode and i wasn't on board much of this season
― building a desert (art), Monday, 16 June 2014 03:23 (ten years ago) link
Nothing like a lil patricide on Father's Day
― circa1916, Monday, 16 June 2014 03:24 (ten years ago) link
Dinklage killed it
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 16 June 2014 03:27 (ten years ago) link
that's no way to talk about shae
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Monday, 16 June 2014 03:36 (ten years ago) link
what happened at the end there did varys get on the boat like fuck it i cant stay here lil man put me in
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
that was my guess. or "oh shit something went down and he did it and i helped that's what i get fuck it i'm gone"
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 16 June 2014 04:44 (ten years ago) link
Yeah he's a smart dude. But his disappearance is a giveaway, no? At least make him much more of a suspicion.
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 04:45 (ten years ago) link
better disappear than dead.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 16 June 2014 05:08 (ten years ago) link
Actually I think just as he's about to leave the docks, he realizes that he's out in public wearing his Varys clothes and thus so easy for spies to notice that he figures, "Ooops, better get scarce."
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 16 June 2014 05:11 (ten years ago) link
the hound! but also my girl brienne BOO YAH :D
that whole tree thing & the skeleton soldiers was like an evil dead lotr fanfiction video game. so dumb. i like bran but I'm so tiiiiired of that fucking storyline enough already cut to the chase jesus wept
mr veg said podric should have a couple of coconut shells now that they're horseless :)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 June 2014 05:34 (ten years ago) link
seriously bran get to the point bruh
― Dreamland, Monday, 16 June 2014 05:36 (ten years ago) link
it's a long trek. you're weird psychic. we get it.
― Dreamland, Monday, 16 June 2014 05:37 (ten years ago) link
like everytime they get screen time it's 10 minutes and NOTHING happens
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 June 2014 05:51 (ten years ago) link
hey they gave them harryhausen fun this time
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 16 June 2014 05:55 (ten years ago) link
you have encountered ICE SKELETON ARMYroll for initiative
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 June 2014 06:06 (ten years ago) link
looking forward eagerly to next season's hulk smash version of the mountain
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 16 June 2014 06:12 (ten years ago) link
Ciaran Hinds A+
― g simmel, Monday, 16 June 2014 11:53 (ten years ago) link
A tender obituary:
http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/tywin-lannister-killed-son-game-thrones-article-1.1829237
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 June 2014 13:44 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, June 16, 2014 1:34 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
Yeah it was really corny
Think a big reason for the show's success so far has been its po-faced realpolitik grimness
As the show gets more and more fantastical with skeletons and giants it gets harder to maintain that tone, or rather you start wondering if that'll spillover to the other storylines
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, June 16, 2014 1:51 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
...you mean before being attacked by skeletons, saved by mystical children of the corn warlock, and learning Bran can soon(?) "fly"?
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:26 (ten years ago) link
Mystical hippie more like it
Wash your hair!
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
So sad Dance and McCann won't be returning
whats up w that dude inside the tree my theory he wants bran to take his place so he can visit the restroom
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
do we know why stannis went all the way up to the wall to kill some wildlings? was he hoping they'd surrender to him and he could put them in his army? it seems like a waste of time + resources honestly...
― Mordy, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
they did a reminder/spoiler in the 'previously on' section. he did not go there to kill wildlings per se.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
It's explained more in the books - Maester Aemon sent crows to all the kings explaining their sitch at the Wall and only Stannis responded (because of 'duty')
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:38 (ten years ago) link
prob wanted to check out what was going on at the wall after that warning
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:38 (ten years ago) link
stannis is so unchill i hate him
There's that scene where Davos reads something to Stannis after hanging out with his daughter iirc
Thought it would have been cool and funny if Ygritte had become a white walker right as Jon Snow was about to burn her corpse
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
xp they see something in the flames too
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
I asked a bookreader friend about the process of turning into white walkers. I think there is supposed to be some kind of white walker interaction with the corpse before it can be a zombie??
Cause if not... where exactly is the border that decides whether corpses become zombies or not? Maybe it's the wall? Kind of vague though. More complicated than walking dead rules.
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link
turning into zombies I should have said
"white here while we walk all over you" --the white walkers
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
white walkers are a separate bunch of dudes from the zombies/wights i.e. reanimated corpses. it is implied that the walkers have to touch the corpses to make them wights but who knows, maybe that shouldn't be read so literally.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I knew they were distinct- but the "it is implied that the walkers have to touch the corpses to make them wights but who knows" rules I was unsure of.
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
we haven't witnessed the process in action afaicr. altho the show helpfully showed us where new walkers come from, which the books have thus far neglected to
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
― Dreamland, Monday, June 16, 2014 12:36 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha i might suggest that these books and this TV series might not be what you want
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 June 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
These wights were made 4 walking..
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Monday, 16 June 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
murder and tits?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 16 June 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
no i mean if you think the plot is needlessly plodding around and wasting time NOW...well....this is what I consider the peppy parts still
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 June 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
I don't understand how Stannis got his armies onto the other side of the wall.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
They got on the 4:40 to Brighton
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
Sailed around. Probs a straight shot from Braavos.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 16 June 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
so Wildlings and zombies can't build boats?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
I mean why doesn't everyone just go around the wall?
Well they can kill a ship and then make it into a white walker or wight ship
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
Its not really a white walker anymore tho, more of a white 'floater'
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:48 (ten years ago) link
why don't the wildlings build a huge catapault for themselves and parachutes that they can yank the cord on when they pass over the wall
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 16 June 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
If you want it spelled out tho, the Wildlings were fine with living above the wall until the white walkers came now they just wanna flee from the white walkers
Nobody goes from south of the Wall to above the wall because why would you
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
I just... why build a wall you can just sail around
― Οὖτις, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link
idk why I watch this show
bettern nothin m8
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link
this episode was p good but I gotta say the show's two most sympathetic protagonists essentially running away from the action to parts unknown doesn't really bode well narratively...
― Οὖτις, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις,
The Romans did it.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 16 June 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, June 16, 2014 11:55 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Monday, June 16, 2014 11:55 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Remember when Ygritte thought the little windmill was a castle? I don't think the wildlings have advanced enough boat technology...
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, June 16, 2014 12:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm not worried about it lessening their roles or involvement in the conflicts myself.
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
i alwyas figured it was implicit that the responsibility/purpose of the nights watch folks at eastwatch-by-the-sea and at the shadow tower was to keep wildlings from going around the ends of the wall
the shadow tower isn't even at the ocean, theres just like a river and some hard-to-pass mountains or something on the west side of the wall. its dumb
― ciderpress, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link
sailing to attack somewhere is much much harder than advancing via land the wall makes sense ffs people
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
not to be picky but they wouldn't necessarily be attacking, just sailing.
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
i mean shit just sail around the great wall the oceans right there u idiots
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Map_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China.jpg
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
the wall is more of a deterrent than a solution to the wildlings & its heavily implied that its original purpose wasn't to keep wildlings out, it was to keep worse stuff out. its a magical wall.
― ciderpress, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
white walkers dont sail thats why theyre called walkers
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
am I wrong but I thought the wall might have initially been built to keep out the white walkers?
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 16 June 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
Even worse are white joggers
http://us.123rf.com/450wm/andreypopov/andreypopov1307/andreypopov130700566/20976917-happy-mature-couple-jogging-over-white-background.jpg
― Evan, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130429141238/iceandfire/images/thumb/5/55/The_North_map.png/500px-The_North_map.png
As far as I can tell, there is a watchtower to the east keeping an eye out for ships, and a lack of trees to the west, meaning getting a fleet would be really tough.
― Frederik B, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
Yeah and after the white walkers went dormant for thousands of years it became repurposed and used to fight wildlings
― 龜, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
For me, this time 1E6.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 16 June 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't understand this twilight-related youtube video embed, was it meant for this thread?
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 16 June 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
so, tywin and the hound were both in the bathroom, doing number twos, when we dropped in on them last night. note to other GoT characters: do not under any circumstances go to the bathroom! hold it in!
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
Anticipation of the finale, hyperventilating, etc. xp
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 16 June 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
I'm not that into the realpolitik so much as the Arthurian legend filtered through the realpolitik. Feels kinda fresh and mythical at the same time.
― ryan, Monday, 16 June 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
idk this finale, and maybe the whole season have just made me realize that it's just going to drag on for soooooooooo long
like all I want is for arya to see jon snow or bran (and vice versa) and none of that is ever going to happen
and now I'm kinda like, I don't know if I'm even looking forward to more of this?
not that any of it was bad I think i'm just realizing how boring it all is when you step back. idk idk maybe I just need to lay down
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 June 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
idk this finale, and maybe the whole season have just made me realize that it's just going to drag on for soooooooooo long [...]not that any of it was bad I think i'm just realizing how boring it all is when you step back. idk idk maybe I just need to lay down
[...]
In this respect they're being very faithful to the show, now you know how the readers feel.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 16 June 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
#notallreaders
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 June 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
no offense to the book lovers but I'm glad I bailed halfway through the 2nd book, there's now way I'm gonna pick it up now. 7 books of this cmon
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 June 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
tbh I don't mean to sound like as much of a sudden hater as I'm being
i do like the story
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 June 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
So what's the deal w Shae? In the books is it clear what her true feelings for Tyrion are?
― Mordy, Monday, 16 June 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
She's a much shallower and more nakedly opportunistic person in the books, but that's being filtered through Tyrion's POV. That said, I don't think that GRRM really does a lot of interesting stuff with unreliable narrators (with one exception that the show hasn't explored at all).
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 16 June 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
will primarily be missing this show for the weekly theme song fixhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTDEVUlCClk
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 June 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itn8highTRo
― dan m, Monday, 16 June 2014 18:23 (ten years ago) link
the smooth jazz one was tops
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 16 June 2014 18:36 (ten years ago) link
For Ygritte
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 June 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
Big wet tears filled her eyes. “I never meant those things I said, the queen made me. Please. Your father frightens me so.” She sat up, letting the blanket slide down to her lap. Beneath it she was naked, but for the chain about her throat. A chain of linked golden hands, each holding the next.Tyrion asks Shae if she ever enjoyed their time together — if she ever cared for his embrace, if she ever truly loved him. The answer she gives doubles as her own death sentence.“More than anything,” she said, “my giant of Lannister.”That was the worst thing you could have said, sweetling.Tyrion slid a hand under his father’s chain, and twisted. The links tightened, digging into her neck. “For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman’s hands are warm,” he said. He gave cold hands another twist as the warm ones beat away his tears.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 June 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosed in the moment of death. Well, he was in the right place for it, Tyrion thought. But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 June 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
That was an element missing from the show
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 16 June 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
I can't tell what stuff is real and what stuff is parody
― Οὖτις, Monday, 16 June 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
the worst bit is the bit right after that though right
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 16 June 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, the detailed listing of all of the foods Tywin had eaten was a little much.
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Monday, 16 June 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
that whole tree thing & the skeleton soldiers was like an evil dead lotr fanfiction video game. so dumb. i like bran but I'm so tiiiiired of that fucking storyline enough already haha i think that's why i liked it - omg skeleton evil dead! omg more of them! and more!!!! lol
shackled dragons made me sad though
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:46 (ten years ago) link
sad jon snow did not make me sad
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:47 (ten years ago) link
burned baby :(
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:48 (ten years ago) link
When is that kid not sad? xp
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:48 (ten years ago) link
yes burned baby was very sadbut the Bad Dragon did it, not the other two!
also, brienne's grunts and yells during the fight were great
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:50 (ten years ago) link
dying hound :(
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:50 (ten years ago) link
it wldve been better if the crying man unwrapped his bundle and it was a burned up jon snow and he was all lol jk not sad just thought u cld use a good laff and everyone had one
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:52 (ten years ago) link
the hound is the best character i think
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:53 (ten years ago) link
someone needs to tell danerys that chaining up the dragons is only going to be a solution for like 2 seconds and then it's buckets of crispy-fried-children city
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 01:01 (ten years ago) link
I thought she was leaving the dragons to die and then calling a hunt for the remaining one.
I thought Arya might meet Gendry at the shore but that might be a coincidence too far.
I actually really liked that bit with the old man in the nice tree. I happened to be looking at one of my Charles Vess art books last night and it had his art for Storm Of Swords, including that tree and the wildling attacks.
This has nothing to do with recent episodes but I'm always confused why people make such a big deal of the show's sex/nudity. If I was describing the show to someone, I wouldn't think that element was worth mentioning. Some people speak like it's Philip Jose Farmer adapted by Jean Rollin.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 01:08 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I forgot about that. As far as we know, Gendy is still in a tiny boat in the middle of the ocean.
― Dreamland, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 01:32 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 16, 2014 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah :/
― gbx, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 02:22 (ten years ago) link
someone just pointed out to me that the hound was ultimately killed because of a mountain
― silverfish, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 03:32 (ten years ago) link
otm about hound. and that dude just nails it
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 12:47 (ten years ago) link
too bad they messed up the mountain casting.
they should have done the "this surgery will change him" thing before the recasting
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 12:59 (ten years ago) link
I have a feeling we'll see the ol' Hound again. We didn't actually see him die. Plus he has to face off against The Mountain.
― Brio2, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
maybe there was a maester behind that rock!
― mizzell, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 13:56 (ten years ago) link
Also hoping the mad scientist Maester turns the Mountain into Mountain:http://www.glidemagazine.com/glide/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/mountainpic.jpg
― Brio2, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 13:59 (ten years ago) link
Throwing another unlikely possibility out there, red lady is Jon Snow's mother? That look they shared looked like it was supposed to be of special significance. Maybe he just sees a new hot redhead and she sees a new royal bastard to burn.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
that was my take
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
i thought she was just scoping some hot king's blood for potions
― Brio2, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
ya she def wants to burn him up
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link
I'm pretty sure the Hound lives. When has this show ever skipped an opportunity for an on-screen death? Plus it basically cut from "The Mountain's gonna be back - and freaky!" to The Hound's "death". I know this show delights in killing off characters we're invested in, but it feels like there's some unfinished business here.
― Brio2, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
i hope so!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
he didnt look like he was in that bad shape, more embarrassed than anything really
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
Throwing another unlikely possibility out there, red lady is Jon Snow's mother?That look they shared looked like it was supposed to be of special significance. Maybe he just sees a new hot redhead and she sees a new royal bastard to burn.
Probably Jon has some royal blood in him and she's thinking about draining him
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
i don't know if it matters but technically ned was not a king or otherwise royal. would robb being declared king retroactively give a step brother royal blood?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
half brother
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
that too
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
but what if job show was royal via some other blood line just throwin that out there
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
xpost there's a (non-spoiler) theory that Jon is actually the son of Ned's sister and one of the Targaryans
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
the starks were kings of the north before the targaryens came and united the seven kingdoms, don't know if that counts.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
yeah I don't know how fussy she is about how kingy the king's blood is
― Brio2, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
we need a reference guide on how blood magic works, maybe there is a wiki. maybe when it comes to magic all that matters is what you believe to be so.
job show
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
blood sugar, baby.
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:31 (ten years ago) link
they reminded us last week that the old dude at the wall is a Targaryan
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
"low blood sugar baby i have it" --a girl
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
i don't want to say too much but the old blind guy and the red witch have sexual relations and she gives birth to a dragon
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
m/l what i expected
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link
Some book fans are saying that one of the characters who died this season is not really dead.
The Hound seems like the only contender for proper life. Ygritte might turn into a white walker. I'm still holding out a tiny hope for Oberyn being reconstructed by the Lord Of Light. Maybe some flying creature saved Lysa.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
Ha, maybe the missing Dragon saved her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
ygritte got burned up yo
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
oh was there a tip-off to where Arya's going on the salt ship? She had the magic Braavos coin that makes the Captain grant her a wish, and she said she wanted to go to the Wall... but she seemed excited when he said he was going to Braavos. Seems like Braavos would make for some more entertaining hijinks than more trudging around the North.
And do they say where Tyrion and Varys are headed?
I hope next season is The Real World Braavos and they all live together in a party pad on the beach.
― Brio2, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Party pad should be inside the left big toe of that big giant statue
― 龜, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link
ya shes goin to braavos
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
― Brio2, Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:10 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
think they just said the free cities
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
awesome - looking forward to some quality time in Braavos next season. So far we've basically only seen the waiting room of a bank.
― Brio2, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
smug ass loan officers smh
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
Did we really see Ygritte burn properly? There was still time from a white walker to pull her off.
Maybe Gandalf got her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link
Ygritte really was "kissed by fire" after this episode!!
― 龜, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link
next season opens with Lysa Arryn waking up with a broken leg
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
LOL. Or landing on the Hound, just the quell the rumors...
― schwantz, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
"Pushed me out the moondoor" is a hell of a domestic abuse charge.
― Evan, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
As well as Gendry that wild girl who protected Bran has been gone a long time. Didn't she leave with somebody?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:52 (ten years ago) link
She's gone off to enforce health and safety regs in King's Landing
― 龜, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
Gendry that wild girl?
Gendry is Robert Baratheons bastard. He is last seen in a boat somewhere.
The wild girl is somewhere looking after Bran's little bro.
― Evan, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
there is a missing comma in that post
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
"As well as Gendry[,] that wild girl who protected Bran has been gone a long time"
white walker pulls jon snow off next season and they fall in love
― conrad, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
SPOILER ******* if u want to know who the not dead character is follow this link http://bit.ly/1i6P8g8
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link
from THIS season?
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
have a feeling thats what they were talking abt tho prob just a slight misunderstanding
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
Come to the Spoilers thread if you wanna know who the not dead character is
― 龜, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/wLkC0wX.gif
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
r/gameofthrones much Leee?
― Evan, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
By the way this is informative:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-game-of-thrones-season-4-finale/
<_<
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
Or I guess the proper response is a tip o' the fedora?
Answers about the wall here also:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-the-history-of-the-wall-invasion-strategies-and-maester-aemon/
― Evan, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
No worries Leee I am also very bored at work.
Still waiting for the Gawker Morning After
― 龜, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
As soon as I saw that we were getting a Daenaerys scene I skipped right through. This entire show is better if you just skip the entire sets of characters and entire civilizations you don't care for. Also... Makes the show much much shorter.
That blonde wig chick drives me nuts. I can't tell you how little I care about her or her storyline. A eunuch perving on a bathing woman is a strange encapsulation of why this subplot is so boring.
― fields of salmon, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
so i just watched this series from episode one over the last ten days or so. good that i can do other stuff with my time now.
yeah do we know what happened to osha and rennick? weren't they heading to castle black, which bran & co are now presumably miles and miles beyond?
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
also, has anyone in the history of westeros ever died of natural causes?
Cat's dad.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:19 (ten years ago) link
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, June 17, 2014 10:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
had to look it up but according to the game of thrones wiki:
Bran arranged for Osha to bring Rickon to the holdfast of Greatjon Umber, the Lord of Last Hearth and the head of House Umber. Lord Umber was a loyal ally of the Starks. This arrangement also suited Osha because she was unwilling to travel to the north with Bran and company due to the threat of the White Walkers.
so presumably rickon and osha are chilling with the Umbers.
― Boris Babacar Diaw-Riffiod (Clay), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:22 (ten years ago) link
i have no idea who the umbers are but cool, glad to have that explained without going on a spoiler-ful google search of my own.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:28 (ten years ago) link
they're just some loyal vassals of house stark, or i guess were vassals of house stark since there basically is no house stark anymore. back in season one when that one big dude kinda talked down to Robb when the war was beginning and Robb's wolf ended up biting the guy's finger(s?) off, that dude was Greatjon Umber i think.
― Boris Babacar Diaw-Riffiod (Clay), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:31 (ten years ago) link
ahhh that guy.
feels a bit like my wild binge on this show has desensitized me to, well, everything. if i commit any inhumanly monstrous acts over the next couple of days i'm pinning the blame entirely on grrm.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:38 (ten years ago) link
Guns don't kill people, GRRM does.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:42 (ten years ago) link
at least if i try to crush someone's skull with my hands they'll probably come out of it okay.
the end of this season seems remarkably open-ended, i'm not really sure what i should be anticipating. tyrion's off somewhere to do something, arya likewise, king's landing's in unpredictable turmoil (handy for the tyrells, i suppose), stannis and jon will be chilling together till the white walkers appear, bran will keep chomping down the peyote...
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:53 (ten years ago) link
I think that's the best way to get into the show honestly. I did two seasons in one or two days and I wanted more. Unfortunately, season 3 was new and pretty expensive and I didn't have internet. I ended up turning to the streets. Going up to strangers asking "Hey man you got any season 3? Maybe a minute clip? I'll even take deleted scenes"
― Dreamland, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 05:56 (ten years ago) link
things got dark, lonely..
ha. yeah tbh i'm not even sure how much i like the show, but nevertheless i couldn't stop putting on episode after episode.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 06:02 (ten years ago) link
Is Melisandre old enough to be Jon Snow's mother? That was a weird look she was giving him.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 12:17 (ten years ago) link
can anyone remember exactly what Caitlin and Ned have said about Jon's mother? have there been any hints at all about who she might be?
― Brio2, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:18 (ten years ago) link
Ned refused to tell Cat who she was, Cat surmised it was a whore.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link
there's a ton of hints in the book by this point but they haven't really carried any of them through to the show. all we know show-wise is that ned came back from fighting in robert's war with baby jon, told cat that jon was his bastard son and refused to tell her who the mother was.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:36 (ten years ago) link
a lot of discussion *around* this topic on this thread at the start of the season. still feel like the show is dropping the ball on this though. and the historical context more generally!
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:45 (ten years ago) link
this is the popular theory fwiw seems like its prob true http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/548862/20140421/game-thrones-history-jon-snow-spoilers.htm
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link
i dont actually know whether i'm allowed to expound on that in this thread, since jon's parents havent been revealed yet in the books so everything beyond what i just posted is technically just speculation, but there's a very well-supported theory that is a lot more obvious to Book Readers who have a better grasp of the backstory
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:47 (ten years ago) link
yeah. I don't think melisandre necessarily knows what Jon's whole deal is, but I think she sees a that there is *something* important about him.
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
Don't forget that Melisandre claims to be able to prognosticate the future in her flames *hint hint*
― 龜, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
shes totally gonna bone the hell out of jon snow
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
she's gonna bone the hell INTO him
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
o sht
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link
****POSSIBLE SPOILERS****
isn't there a theory that Jon might also be who melisandre thinks Stannis is? (or perhaps who she is manipulating him into thinking he is)
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
Nah
― 龜, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 14:04 (ten years ago) link
There was a line on the show this season from Oberyn that some fans took as a hint about Jon Snow's parentage
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 14:45 (ten years ago) link
can we speculate here or is that spoilery?
if Jon Snow's mother was the person suggested in this link: http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/548862/20140421/game-thrones-history-jon-snow-spoilers.htm, why would Ned have to make up a story about Jon (and keep it from his wife, who resented Jon as a bastard)?
― Brio2, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
I figure if it hasn't been revealed in the books yet, then it's a theory, not a spoiler
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
That's the one that makes the most sense, I think.
― Dreamland, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 15:52 (ten years ago) link
why would Ned have to make up a story about Jon (and keep it from his wife, who resented Jon as a bastard)?
presumably to protect him from Robert Baratheon.
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
x-post: Well, it probably had something to do with what Oberyn was so mad about. Hope that is not too obscure.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:03 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep also iirc ned never actually made up a story he just brought he kid back and was all this is jon snow and that was it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link
there was a scene where ned and robert were talking about some lady ned had sex with during the war. ned was guarded about it, cuold have been making it up, just bro-talk.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
Oh hai guys i'm back, this is jon don't mind him. Where's my goblet?
― Dreamland, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
but why wouldn't Ned tell Catelyn the truth, even if he needed a public cover story to protect the kid? Kind of weird to let your wife think that you fathered a child with a prostitute when the truth would be something she's totally cool with; plus she hated Jon (from what little I remember of the couple of chapters of the first book I got through) and it was a bit of a strain on the family not Ned-style to let that fester
― Brio2, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
the promise he made to his sister mightve been to not tell anyone
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
He didn't know Catelyn that well back then, right? They were married pretty quickly, after the death of Ned's older brother.
Also, the parentage of Jon Snow totally wouldn't have been as mysterious if Ned had told more people about it.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
he prob made a vow to his sister that superceded being honest to his wife.
he's shown as being pretty torn up about SOMETHING relating to his sister all through the first book.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
ned is so unchill
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
I suppose - just seemed like he trusted her enough to loop her in on that secret at some point in the 17 years or so after he brought home a baby... though I guess there's a case for him knowing Catelyn is a bit of a walking disaster zone - basically every single move after Ned splits Winterfell ends up tipping off all kinds of death and destruction, so maybe he would keep her in the dark on info that could have big ramificatons
― Brio2, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
there's an interesting theme running throughout about maternal love being kind of intrinsically fucked up--almost every mother on the show is at minimum causing big problems and putting their kids ahead of more...universal...ethical obligations. (maybe the "myhsa" stuff contradicts that though)
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
ned has v high moral standards is what it comes down to he wldnt break a promise to his dead sister
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
lol for days at the image of ned showing up at the castle, plunking an infant down on the table and saying "here's jon snow, i'll be in the godswood if you need me."
― it's about equality, ladies (reddening), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
thats what happened m/l!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
he really hung out in that godswood a lot, honing his sword
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
huh, i hadn't thought about that mothers thing - Cersei's a disaster - and most dangerous to the world through her actions as a mom, Catelyn is sympathetic but did fuck shit up, Lyssa was a nutcase and her over-mothering is specifically one of her big problems... are there any good living mothers in this story?
― Brio2, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
Gilly?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
mother of dragons
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
smoke baby mom
Diana Rigg seems like a pretty chill grandma
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
Are their any good fathers? Parents are fucking shit up all over the place.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i guess it's not like fathers fare much better
maybe the mothers thing is supposed to be read as saying EVEN a mother's love and protectiveness causes death and destruction in this crazy world of Game of Thrones rather than as a comment on women or mothers
― Brio2, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
though Ned seemed like a good dad. Taught them to cut dudes' heads off themselves and stuff.
― Brio2, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
http://theoatmeal.com/quiz/got_character i admit i lol'd.
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:19 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link
queen of thorns very good mother.
― ian, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
Very good grandmother; her son is an empty suit.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:34 (ten years ago) link
Also, I got Arya, suckit.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:39 (ten years ago) link
I got Hodor!
― sarahell, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
I think if you pick the choices with the most Hodors you get Hodor
― sarahell, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link
queen of thorns is OK by Game of Thrones standards but she's basically pimped out her granddaughter to a a psychopath and a child
― Brio2, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:49 (ten years ago) link
and a gay
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 June 2014 01:28 (ten years ago) link
oberyn, olenna, eddard and possibly stannis are good parents. balon, robert, cersei and especially tywin are terrible.
the best father in westeros is obviously roose bolton
― g simmel, Friday, 20 June 2014 08:28 (ten years ago) link
we haven't, and presumably won't, meet brienne's father, but he seems like a dad who learned, as he was forced by his daughter's nature to learn who she was and not who he wanted her to become, to be an excellent parent.
― Clay, Friday, 20 June 2014 08:34 (ten years ago) link
sam tarly's dad arguably the worst of them all though, based the story he tells about how he arrived at the night's watch.
surely the worst parent of all is craster
― Mordy, Friday, 20 June 2014 10:53 (ten years ago) link
I get all these North of the Wall nutters mixed up, probably shortsighted of GRRM to give them all really similar names - Rast/Craster/Manse - they're all just interchangeable bearded blokes wearing fur and raping people.
― Matt DC, Friday, 20 June 2014 11:16 (ten years ago) link
Walder Frey is the true family man of the bunch
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Friday, 20 June 2014 12:46 (ten years ago) link
Craster ftw
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 20 June 2014 13:37 (ten years ago) link
yeah Craster is a bad dad
― silverfish, Friday, 20 June 2014 13:52 (ten years ago) link
Theon's dad's a real nurturing dude too, and of course there's Tywin...
So is Nedd maybe the only decent dad in the story, then?
― Brio2, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
Catelyn seemed to like her dad
― Number None, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link
love that we're reduced to characters who never appear in the show for good dads
― Brio2, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
the dad who got an arrow through the head courtesy of ygritte seemed like a pretty good dad in his 30 seconds of screen time
― dan m, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
Worst dad is the direwolf who couldn't prevent his baby momma from dying AND left all seven of his newborn children to die in the snow
― 龜, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:22 (ten years ago) link
the dad who took in the hound and arya and then was robbed by the hound seemed like a good dad, wanted the best for his daughter even as winter comes etc
― dan m, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
maybe westeros is full of lovely families who happily go about their lives until the characters grrm's decided to focus on appear and immediately fuck everything up.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 20 June 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
Hound and Mountain's parents could've supervised their kids a bit better
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Friday, 20 June 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link
I honestly couldn't remember if he appeared in the show or not. Think I invented a deathbed scene
― Number None, Saturday, 21 June 2014 08:46 (ten years ago) link
I actually don't think Tywin was THAT bad of a dad. I mean overall sure. But he had a lot of good traits that you want in a parent..or maybe more a boss. Tywin would make a great CEO.
― Dreamland, Saturday, 21 June 2014 09:59 (ten years ago) link
― Merdeyeux, 20. juni 2014 17:15 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, that's feudalism for you...
― Frederik B, Saturday, 21 June 2014 10:19 (ten years ago) link
I think that not being killed by your children would be fairly high on the list of key performance indicators for being a good parent.
― AlanSmithee, Saturday, 21 June 2014 13:11 (ten years ago) link
yeah, a great CEO. would watch a spinoff consisting of nothing more than Tywin going to council meetings and ruling the kingdom. Charles Dance has no equal on this show (Pedro Pascal and Diana Rigg come close).
but a terrible dad with a hate/competition thing going on with his only worthy heir
― g simmel, Saturday, 21 June 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/steveduzz/game-of-thrones-main-theme-80s-version
sick jam
― Merdeyeux, Saturday, 21 June 2014 22:39 (ten years ago) link
if they're not gonna be bold enough to use this as the theme next season they could at least re-record the current one with real instruments, it could be so much better.
― Merdeyeux, Saturday, 21 June 2014 22:40 (ten years ago) link
Balkan turbo-folk version more like.
― Call the Cops, Sunday, 22 June 2014 12:18 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/hH0pL9j.png
― 龜, Saturday, 28 June 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
the two on the right are rory mccann and iain glen iirc
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:54 (ten years ago) link
lol I can see the casting agents thinking "Oh yeah, this kid is totally 'Reek'"
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Saturday, 28 June 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
http://cdn.winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/pedro5.gif
http://cdn.winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/pedro6.gif
― Clay, Saturday, 28 June 2014 21:40 (ten years ago) link
Ws (would squeeze)
― 龜, Saturday, 28 June 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/06/24/the-sexual-politics-of-full-frontal-on-hbo/
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 June 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
the article claims theon's the only male to do full frontal, but i could've sworn we saw hodor's hodor swinging around at one point.
― it's about equality, ladies (reddening), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 05:53 (ten years ago) link
There was definitely Hodor dong in there
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 06:51 (ten years ago) link
It was a prosthetic Hodor, and we saw the wine merchant who tried to poison Dany, but Theon's is the only one that was in a pointedly sexual context.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
didn't we see this one dude who was sleeping w/ser loras at the behest of littlefinger?
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
http://io9.com/great-game-of-thrones-soccer-uniforms-prove-we-need-a-w-1596960050
these are p great tho the tully kit looks like a blue corset and i can't stop seeing cleav
― gbx, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVfIFrpslI&list=UU5f1_cpOtRv0CxTLJhRmFJA
a video accompanying the 80s version theme song
― Lovelace, Thursday, 3 July 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
the Sean Bean double take is excellent
― Roz, Thursday, 3 July 2014 20:54 (ten years ago) link
"Alphie" Allen - really?
― nashwan, Thursday, 3 July 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
During the chaos, many old grudges were settled, sometimes under the guise of overdue justice. A man called Iron Herman took the opportunity to charge Guy of Steenvoorde with participating in the Flemish count’s murder. Guy turned immediately to a trial by combat, and in this case, both men did their own fighting.This actual fight has more than a few echoes in the Martell-Clegane duel.From the beginning, Guy had the better of the fight, unhorsing Herman and toying with him for awhile. Eventually Guy lost his mount as well, and the two men got down to a slugging match with their swords. The sheer exhaustion involved in such an effort quickly wore out both men, who both willingly threw away their heavy shields to devote their remaining strength to the fight itself. Eventually, Iron Herman was on the ground prostrate and seemingly finished. As Guy prepared to deliver the coup de grâce, Herman saw and took a brutal path to victory. From his place on the ground, he reached up and grabbed Guy’s testicles, held on to them tight, and then shoved Guy aside without loosening his grip. With all his "lower parts broken apart," Guy admitted defeat, an admission that saw him hanged a few hours later for his (now proven) treachery.
This actual fight has more than a few echoes in the Martell-Clegane duel.
From the beginning, Guy had the better of the fight, unhorsing Herman and toying with him for awhile. Eventually Guy lost his mount as well, and the two men got down to a slugging match with their swords. The sheer exhaustion involved in such an effort quickly wore out both men, who both willingly threw away their heavy shields to devote their remaining strength to the fight itself. Eventually, Iron Herman was on the ground prostrate and seemingly finished. As Guy prepared to deliver the coup de grâce, Herman saw and took a brutal path to victory. From his place on the ground, he reached up and grabbed Guy’s testicles, held on to them tight, and then shoved Guy aside without loosening his grip. With all his "lower parts broken apart," Guy admitted defeat, an admission that saw him hanged a few hours later for his (now proven) treachery.
http://www.longwood.edu/gotduel.htm
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 23:13 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O59SiA4Yg0A
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
Would be better if the Queen came out and got her corgis to savage some slavers.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I agree it needed a little something- that's definitely what it needed.
― Evan, Monday, 21 July 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link
that or stripping down and making passionate love to Philip on the balcony whilst reading out a preview of her Christmas speech.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 21 July 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
direcorgis
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
Windsor is coming.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
Have the books or the show ever explained what exactly is meant by Winter is Coming?
― tobo73, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link
Never
― 龜, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
it's pretty literal
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link
it's gonna snow in the near-to-distant future.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
An Albino is gonna play a totally rockin song called Godzilla
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
pssst, i think you mean "Frankenstein"
― Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
A friendly reminder that this is the NON-SPOILER thread.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link
haha oh shit yr right Godzilla is BOC
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link
but, yeah, i'd be down with a BOC cameo next season
― Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
Well BOC do use the GoT theme as their walk-on music currently...
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
Have the books revealed yet whether this will just be for nerds?
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
it will also be for horny nerds
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
so Jonathon Pryce eh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 22:49 (ten years ago) link
engineer in miss saigon one of my fave broadway roles eva
― Mordy, Friday, 25 July 2014 22:52 (ten years ago) link
Surely David Warner was available, and cheaper?
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Saturday, 26 July 2014 02:56 (ten years ago) link
holy shit, alexander siddig is incredible casting for doran martell
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 26 July 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
Dr Bashir! :D
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 July 2014 04:26 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that was a DAMNED smart move. I wonder if they just approached him directly.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 July 2014 05:29 (ten years ago) link
there had been fan wishing but those things usually never pan out, much to nathan fillion's chagrin
― balls, Saturday, 26 July 2014 05:34 (ten years ago) link
Surprised this hadn't been linked yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7Fs9HJvs0
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 July 2014 05:38 (ten years ago) link
New cast member J J Murphy dies.
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/game-of-thrones-actor-j-j-murphy-dies-after-four-days-of-filming-20140811
― nickn, Monday, 11 August 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
OK, so I had really avoided this whole thing because I never read the books, and we cut the TV cable long ago in my house; as a phenomenon it was totally passing me by. Then, as more people whose taste I trust started talking about it, I decided, "May as well give it a shot, starting with the books" and . . . man, I am ALL IN. Since the last week of July I've read A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings, and just downloaded A Storm of Swords today. I also d/l'ed the first episode from iTunes to see how it translated, and was so impressed with the production and casting I went to a used place and bought Season 1 on Blu-Ray.
It's not often I come across a sci-fi or fantasy world builder who seems to have fully thought through everything before s/he even puts pen to paper, but this is definitely one of the times.
― Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
lol, oh Phil, I get what you are saying, but as you get further in, you'll quickly realize that GRRM is very far from having thought everything through.
― Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
http://www.thebrabble.com/img/CharlieBrownFacebook.jpg
― Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
Oh god, those three posts are the saddest thing I've seen all day.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
Be aware that the show introduces a fistful of other problems, though.
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLEEE (Leee), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
STOP KICKING THE PUPPY GUYS
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
first three books are a tour de force of plotting that would be hard to match. they're also Act I so imo it's way too soon to tell whether or not grrm's flailing.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's only been nearly 20 years - way too soon!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
not sure how the start date's relevant? high point would have been ten years ago, low point would have been three years ago. we're in the baggy middle now and we'll find out soon enough whether it all pays off like it did in book three or goes pear shaped.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 23:06 (ten years ago) link
if you can't finish your shit in 20 years you are flailing QED
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
Well, he did finish several books, just not the 'last' one.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
OK no spoilers but for fuck's sake is Sansa ever NOT a moron?
― Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
She has been entirely moronic up to now but I sort of feel she has the potential to get the better of Machiavellian genius Littlefinger if only because LF clearly has a weakness for Stark girls.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
I've always felt sympathy for Sansa because she's the character that was most invested in the fairytale idea and then had it ripped away again and again. Like a viewer who thinks "oh fantasy and knights and princesses this will be fun oh god oh god"
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:52 (ten years ago) link
I think it's uncharitable to call her a moron, she's a child at the mercy of horrible events beyond her control. She's just not a total badass like her sister.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link
seems like the obvious course of sansa's arc is for her to keep being dragged along until she suddenly snaps and does something badass at a key moment using all the knowledge she's absorbed while in pseudocaptivity
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
I read that as paedocaptivity.
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLEEE (Leee), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
you're not wrong
― Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I guess "moron" is uncharitable, but she seems to be horrible at both practicing and reading the courtly manners she's so concerned with all the time. Like, Tyrion didn't ask for ________ any more than she did, but yeesh, girl, come on.
― Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
or she becomes Littlefinger's mini-me and, at a crucial juncture, acts in what she perceives as her own best interests with catastrophic results for others.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
She's there to show the audience how monsters are created, I think. First terrified, then sulking and resentful, then gradually more calculating, devious and eventually destructive. This is what happens when you grow up a pawn of castle intrigue, and the endpoint I suppose is Cersei
― Brakhage, Thursday, 21 August 2014 22:27 (ten years ago) link
No intended spoilers there, I'm just guessing where she's heading
― Brakhage, Thursday, 21 August 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
http://www.clickhole.com/article/game-thrones-opening-reimagined-old-man-eating-sou-1082
Hahahaha
― 龜, Friday, 26 September 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link
Great, now I'm hungry.
― pig∞n (Leee), Friday, 26 September 2014 00:09 (ten years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2014/09/game-of-thrones-cast-summer-2014.html
Jesus, the Mountain guy is fucking ridiculous.
― schwantz, Friday, 26 September 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
Michiel Huisman (Daario Naharis)He took the role of an extreme swimmer in the upcoming Swimmer, a role that used to be Ben McKenzie's.
He's really into taking roles over, isn't he?
― pig∞n (Leee), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKwNybyAuy4
― Felt up by Adam Smith's invisible hand (Sanpaku), Saturday, 27 September 2014 19:17 (ten years ago) link
George RR Martin gets turned on by himself: http://grrm.livejournal.com/386867.html !
― StanM, Saturday, 1 November 2014 12:01 (nine years ago) link
least surprising news
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 1 November 2014 20:43 (nine years ago) link
I've been thinking, and I think the show really dropped the ball not casting Colm Meaney as Areo Hotah.
― khaleeesi (Leee), Monday, 10 November 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link
He's a pro at just standing there
― Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 10 November 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/z1EgXhW.jpg
― In Which Doctor Who Listens to Classic Rock Classics for the First Time (Leee), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
From a local (LA) dance thing (I presume).
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10532351_10152860630127427_8480869618507958449_n.jpg?oh=c4c731665615d65012b583ab1cb28423&oe=551FAF9B&__gda__=1427073998_9069583c796da7f2d549a305861cc984
― nickn, Thursday, 4 December 2014 07:49 (nine years ago) link
hodor
http://edm.com/blog/Hodor-United-States-Rave-Of-Thrones-Tour-Dates
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 4 December 2014 08:05 (nine years ago) link
went to the movies tonight and saw nu-daario in TWO things: a preshow commercial for chanel no. 5, and the trailer for some movie where he dates an ageless lady. i guess america has officially caught Nu-Daario Fever.
― the dreaded Laramie (reddening), Thursday, 4 December 2014 10:19 (nine years ago) link
Really looking forward to next series. Been realising how much more exciting it is than pretty much all the other popular dramas.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:05 (nine years ago) link
Think a new thread's probably in order.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:11 (nine years ago) link
for the movie with the ageless lady? i agree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UzSekc0LoQ
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link
i just can't get over how not weird it'd be for that lady to be 45 years old
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
wldve been better if he said 2045 years old and she was dressed in a gladiator outfit
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link
I've never played any of these Telltale games before but I just tried out the first episode of the GoT one and it was pretty good! Some ropey animation and some silly things but the quick decisions in the big talky meetings were really great. Suitably grim.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
in retrospect, yes, i think this was just for nerds
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
no way man everyone love this show
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
in 2014 it turns out everyone was nerds
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
not me im a cool
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:19 (nine years ago) link
not me im a cool― lag∞n's mom
― lag∞n's mom
― TAKING SIDES: HUMANS VS. GUACAMOLEEE (Leee), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
A Murder of Boobs
is what this series should be called
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
http://www.shescribes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Kraft-Fresh-Take-1.jpg
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
I regret watching this stupid show
I should have played computer games instead, then at least I'd be better at games
― ogmor, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
this show isn't worth a "fresh take"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
more like star bores, right??
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
― TAKING SIDES: HUMANS VS. GUACAMOLEEE (Leee), Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:28 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wow rude
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link
I'm sure all of our mothers think we're cool.
― TAKING SIDES: HUMANS VS. GUACAMOLEEE (Leee), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
I think you mean "each of our mothers thinks we're cool." My mother doesn't think you're cool, although yours thinks I am cool.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuCV4-CXwOs
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link
This is getting too much for me. /unbookmarks thread
― TAKING SIDES: HUMANS VS. GUACAMOLEEE (Leee), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 20:35 (nine years ago) link
Game of Snaps
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link
Anyone catch Marco Polo on Netflix yet? Clearly going for the Game of Thrones boobs & battles formula - but it feels like it might be an OK timewaster for December based on the first couple of episodes.
― Brio2, Monday, 15 December 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
The premise of the series made me uncomfortable and there's this too http://www.villagevoice.com/2014-12-10/film/marco-polo-netflix/
― 龜, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
marco
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
Are you saying there were no boobs in Marco Polo's time? There most certainly were! They did research!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains-the-nudity-in-game-of-thrones
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I don't know - it just seemed like a big dumb campy epic from the first couple of episodes.
― Brio2, Monday, 15 December 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9P921aWmc
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 January 2015 04:26 (nine years ago) link
hm
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 29 January 2015 06:06 (nine years ago) link
Ok so I was wrong about marco polo being maybe "an OK time waster."
― Brio2, Thursday, 29 January 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
Catchy.
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 29 January 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
― Brio2,
As in it's better or worse than OK?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link
have not watched it but he means worse
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 00:03 (nine years ago) link
i gave up in episode 2, it's garbage
― Brio2, Friday, 30 January 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link
It is garbage but I still found it oddly addictive, the dude who plays Kublai Khan is impressive.
― xelab, Friday, 30 January 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
trailer (in rubbish quality)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKhdDlKHNE
― Number None, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
damn
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
looks pretty good
― Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
promisingly battle-filled
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
i like the hint at a possibly larger role for varys
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
More screentime. Varys and Baelish have always been the main players.
― The inscrutable savantism of (Sanpaku), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
... so they'd like to think!
DOLOROUS EDD IS THE KEY, oops spoilers.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
Brian Brown from the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County has found a phorid that beheads ants in an entirely new way.Brown is an authority on phorids and especially the ant-decapitating, bee-killing varieties. He has discovered around 500 species of them. In the field, he lures them in by crushing ants and other insects with forceps, and watching what arrives. Some phorids feed directly off the injured insects. Others lay their eggs inside. But one species, Dohrniphora longirostrata, did something different.
Brown is an authority on phorids and especially the ant-decapitating, bee-killing varieties. He has discovered around 500 species of them. In the field, he lures them in by crushing ants and other insects with forceps, and watching what arrives. Some phorids feed directly off the injured insects. Others lay their eggs inside. But one species, Dohrniphora longirostrata, did something different.
Orson Lannister explained.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:41 (nine years ago) link
At least Diana Rigg is back! But fucking cam tv trailers is a real fucking "help me lord!" new low wrung for me.
― xelab, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:47 (nine years ago) link
I had a momentary pang, but you gotta give the people their content
― Number None, Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:01 (nine years ago) link
!
― xelab, Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:08 (nine years ago) link
this shd be the final season, end it like deadwood everyone rides away in carriages
― lag∞n, Saturday, 31 January 2015 02:10 (nine years ago) link
end it like battlestar, everyone starts farming in peace except for the one who disappears into thin air
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 31 January 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
End it like Lost, everyone holds hands in a church.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Saturday, 31 January 2015 02:23 (nine years ago) link
They're going to drag this out as long as possible, don't kid yourselves.
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 31 January 2015 02:48 (nine years ago) link
final season split into not two but three separate parts
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 31 January 2015 02:50 (nine years ago) link
final season split into countless shards of web content
― lag∞n, Saturday, 31 January 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Friday, January 30, 2015 11:03 AM (8 hours ago)
Dolorous Ed is my favorite
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Saturday, 31 January 2015 03:14 (nine years ago) link
https://vine.co/v/OtEDDFLm2Za
― Clay, Monday, 2 February 2015 03:35 (nine years ago) link
:o
― 龜, Monday, 2 February 2015 03:41 (nine years ago) link
― gbx, Monday, 2 February 2015 03:52 (nine years ago) link
also lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 February 2015 04:54 (nine years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 2 February 2015 04:59 (nine years ago) link
http://grapevine.is/news/2015/02/02/hafthor-julius-breaks-1000-year-old-lifting-record/
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
NOTHING CAN STOP ME!! NOTHING CAN BREAK ME!
looking forward to him dying of malaria or something tbh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
uh, he walked five steps while supporting a half ton of weight, there are a lot of actual superheroes that can't do that and it says so in the handbook of the marvel universethat shit is insane
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
I'd love to see him in the wwe someday. Mark Henry worlds strongest man yeah right
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
I guess there's a new trailer for this stupid show: http://youtu.be/vwRdVw82Jd8
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 00:05 (nine years ago) link
Yeehee, can't wait. Trailer was unexcitingly vague but I'd prefer to keep it that way.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 10:48 (nine years ago) link
Because of general cultural momentum, I read the first book and started the second. 1) It's amazing how much the show sticks to (at least) the first book and much of the second, so far. 2) I really respect GRRM's world building. 3) GRRM is a pretty terrible writer, he said, wiping the grease from his beard as the great Horn of Aroo sounded. "Aroooooooooo," went the horn. Pyp the Dwarf was taken aback. Was that indeed the Horn o Aroo? "Aroooooooooooooooooooo," went the Horn again. Yes, thought Pyp, there could be no mistaking it. Pyp stood on his two wobbly legs, weak from mead but misshapen from birth, and faced his army of sellswords. "Tonight," he began, his voice steadily rising, greatly disproportionate to his short stature, "we ride ... to reclaim what is ours!" The sellswords and barbarians, also wiping grease from their beards, responded with a mighty clash of weapons, ringing out in the night like the cry of a great Jungle Beast, which no man has ever seen south of the Wall but which every child knows from their nightmares. To Pyp it sounded like so much gold being spilled out, the cost of procuring an army on such short notice. But if there's anything a sellsword prizes more than weapons, it's gold, and anyone able to disperse such bounty to these kingdom-free men understood too well the dangers of men who fight not for honor but for money.
And so on.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:30 (nine years ago) link
Good, but needs more milk of the poppy.
― AlanSmithee, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:33 (nine years ago) link
And Dorneish peppers.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:35 (nine years ago) link
And the smell of garlic wafting through the aeire.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:36 (nine years ago) link
And someone with a dagger up his butt.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link
Spoilers!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
throwing up lemon cakes all over his chain mail
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
surely not just lemon cakes
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link
Oh, to have just one more lemon cake. Instead, Meretricia had only the dimly lit view of her cell to sustain her. What could be going on outside her damp walls? She imagined she was back at the tourney, watching knights vie for her attentions. She remembered the look Ser Drake gave her as if it were yesterday. Ah, Ser Drake. It had been folly to confuse his glare for affection rather than suspicion, and now she was paying the price, but Meretricia knew it was only a matter of time for world to reach her father on the Isle of Snakes before his venom-tinged vengeance freed her from this prison. And then all the lemon cake in the world, served on platters of Valyrian steel, would be hers once again. And Ser Drake would be forced to eat them until his stomach burst, his insides spilled, the the dreaded Byrds of Parthon descended and feasted on his steaming entrails. Only then would Meretrica be satisfied, and the honor of House Serpenttongue restored.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link
Good luck on book 2, i have attempted it a couple of times during the show's off-season but haven't been able to make it more than 50 pages in. it is just terrible
― head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
i maintain that rewriting the entire series in a mid century american minimalist style wld be a great project for a profoundly depressed lost writer
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
condense the whole thing down into one book it wld be so good
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
it needs the long stretches of boredom to make the sudden bursts of surprising violence feel special
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
yeah youd have to work out the pacing, an ambitious undertaking no doubt but doable imo
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
i mean you dont need the down time to be exclusively filled with boiled leather talk there are other ways
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
maybe during the downtime the characters learn important skills, like a new programming language. between violent incidents the reader is expected to study along with the characters. new chapters are only available after the reader passes an ability check. at the end of the book you've not only learned which family has won the throne game, but you can also program your own throne game based off of dnd5e rules
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
if harry potter had mandatory tests to enable access to new chapters we would have a cohort of precocious genius wizards who would be able to colonize alpha centauri by 2025 at the latest
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
that reminds me that the GoT board game (the old one that predates the tv show, idk what sort of moneygrab spinoffs are out there now that its a popular franchise) is actually really fun
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
Bibi Netanyahu said "Game of Thrones" in his address to Congress
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
― ciderpress
If very long!
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 14:59 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
stop giving damon lindelof ideas
― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:17 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao tbf this is a much more cutting edge take than mine i cede the floor
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
eddard would still be alive if he had only learned to code
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
i hereby claim the floor and demand that all books implement self-education incentive programs that cater to my needs and desires. *gets killed on next page* *GoT theme plays*
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
anyway, back to the subject, sorry. i'll be watching the last few episodes of the last season to try to remember what the hell was going on. i'm looking forward to the new season, but i have to admit that the way they release episodes doesn't really work well for me these days. the 10-episode seasons come and go in a few months, then decades pass in real life, i have children, i buy a house, i have a lost weekend and then another, then it's time for a new GoT season.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
mazel tov! it sounds like you have big things happening in yr life
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
oh, none of those things have happened except for the lost weekend(s? can't remember). but my point is that they could, given the episode release structure, if only i wasn't so busy coding my throne game
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link
c0ding is so immersive its like you look up and five GoTs seasons have passed
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
Five summers had passed since Octavian's father pried out his eye on his name day. Each day the deformity served as a perverse reminder never to lose perspective, and while the irony was not lost on Octavian when his arrows landed shy of the target's center, he understood the dictates tradition placed on the Lords of House Optemtetrius. Squinting up at the green eye on the flickering flag that flew over Astigmatic Keep, Octavian even felt a certain pride. What is one eye, he reasoned, in the face of 1000 summers of tradition? Besides, all men are ugly to a whore. Octavian knew his shortcomings above the neck were nothing compared to what waited below his waist. Maneuvering his impressive manhood - another proudly passed trait of House Optemetrius - no whore had ever commented on his scarred face. Perhaps they feared being blinded themselves. More likely they were awed by the long link in a line of succession so solid that no one had ever taken the Keep, binocular or no. So fought the men of House Optemetrius, hung like horses and fueled by a bravery unmatched in the realm, their one eye socket useless but the remaining orb the last thing many a foe has stared into before finding their head on a pike, rotting and unblinking swarming with Melecian flies and stinking of rancid Sturgeweed.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Game of Codes: You win or you compile error.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
thread.setBookmark(false);
― DJP, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
Did the ghost of King Robert write the series? I imagine that's how he'd write it.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1426092459/Maisie-Williams.jpg
Actress Maisie Williams told us she loves her new, more feminine look. “It’s very neutral, very plain, but clean! I have clean hair that actually moves,” Williams says. “I came onto the set and nobody recognized me.”
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
BOOOOOOOO
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
Arya didn't recognize the face staring back at her from the mirror. Who was this stranger, this well-bred daughter of ghosts? She lifted Needle from her side and pointed it at the shiny silver rectangle. Her reflection pointed right back at her. Arya lowered Needle and tilted her head. I could get used to this, she thought. It’s very neutral, very plain, but clean! I have clean hair that actually moves. She shook out her hair and watched each strand fall over her shoulders, spilling out of her scalp like memories of Winterfell, of King's Landing, of several lives never fully lived yet which lead her to where she is now. I am me again, she thought. But who am I?
"Time will tell," Arya declared, stowing Needle at her side with one hand and wiping the garlicky grease from her beard with the other.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
you are a little too good at this
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link
You know, given how long GRRM takes between books...
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
I could do this all day. And if I did, I too could compose a thousand page boilerplate fantasy novel.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 23:13 (nine years ago) link
This is some Bored Of The Rings quality japing, my good scribe
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
I think Ser Jon has singed your honour, Maester Josh. Duty obliges you to slash his doublet.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 23:22 (nine years ago) link
Ser Jon first lay with a cow when he was but one year past his naming day. He could not speak to the quality of the experience, but he recalled it fondly each time he crossed a field or chewed on the finest cut of Pytherion-aged steak. Jon chuckled to himself, his mead splashing across the table and onto the stranger who sat quietly, staring. And staring still, but quiet no more. "You fool, your laughter has made you sloppy," said the stranger. Ser Jon noted his hands were out of sight, surely reaching for a blade or battle axe. "Is that so?" Jon responded, slowly grasping his own blade, a Slyteethian dager carved from a single shard of Stingslate. "That is indeed so," said the stranger as he lowered his cloak, the scars across his face revealing no craven but a battle scarred warrior. "Might you share with me what you found so funny?"
"Indeed I will," said Ser Jon. "I was thinking back to the day I became a man. She was a fine cow, she was."
The stranger sneered. "You lay down with a cow?"
"At least, I think it was a cow," replied Ser Jon. "I had imbibed much mead that morning, so I may have been mistaken, but as dark as the pre-sun light may have been, my loins would tell no untruth. It was a cow, and it was indeed lovely. And by cow ..." Jon stood, dagger at the ready. "I mean ... your momma."
"Ooooh," cried the Inn's crowd. "You just got burned!"
"Speak not of fire," said the man, rising to his feet. "I don't like it. It is hot. Not unlike ... your sister!'
"Oh, snap!" roared the crowd. "Are you going to take that?"
Ser Jon raised his goblet to his lips, took a big swig and wiped the liquid from his beard. "I like the mettle of this man," he declared. "Rather we both be friends than both lie bleeding on this dirty floor."
"Sounds good to me," said the stranger."
"It's all good," said Ser Jon.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 23:36 (nine years ago) link
The great Horn of Aroo sounded. "Aroooooooooo," went the horn.
― Evan, Thursday, 12 March 2015 01:07 (nine years ago) link
Really wondering what it's going to be like on the Lannister's side, they've been in power so long that it's going to be odd seeing them scramble to pick up the pieces and defend themselves from Dorne family. Also seeing Stannis and Littlefinger becoming players and what Varys is going to do when he's not officially serving. Really looking forward to this.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 21 March 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
I just discovered there's no Bran in the upcoming season and it's the best news I've had all week.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 12:08 (nine years ago) link
Hopefully no Sansa, Khaleesi, or Jon Snow either
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 12:47 (nine years ago) link
yeah hopefully none of the characters are in it, just the title sequence for an hour.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
13 straight episodes of the hound's corpse decomposing in real time iirc
― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:01 (nine years ago) link
i am hoping this season has more prominent roles for munch and ice t
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:03 (nine years ago) link
I must be one of the very few people who actually likes Daeneyrs' storyline. I don't think Emilia Clarke is very good though.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:07 (nine years ago) link
the dany storyline is good imo, but what's left of it from the books (without being specific) is prob gonna elicit many of the same complaints it did last season, and clarke's acting, while basically decent and occasionally v effective, is not quite up to the task in terms of making the political aspects of it compelling as television
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:15 (nine years ago) link
No Sansa? Even with her seemingly becoming Littlefinger's partner in crime? I'm looking forward to that.
I've read there are some radical forthcoming changes from the books because Feast and Dance are so sprawling and fans generally seem to have found them disappointing and overlong. I read a spoiler last year about the "Stoneheart" stuff and I'm gutted they're not doing it in the tv show because that sounded like one of the most awesome things to ever happen in the story (if you don't know, it's probably best not to look it up because, who knows, they might play that card later). Their reasons for cutting it sounded fair, but still, it seems like they are leaving out one of the major highlights.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:30 (nine years ago) link
The Stoneheart thing is a great reveal but GRRM has done nothing with it for like two books now.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
Take it to the spoilers thread gents
― 龜, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
Yah sorry, was tryig to be oblique but still a bit out of order I realise.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
I'm a bit worried, the showrunners seem to know what they're doing (they're adamant about keeping it down to 7 seasons even though HBO wants 10) and can improve on lots of things but I think it might be a lot weaker if they don't have finished books to adapt.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link
tbh you could flip it and say the books might turn out better this way
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link
Could go either way; the showrunners are certainly less self-indulgent than George, but they've yet to prove they can come up with the same calibre of concepts and twists.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
Game of Thrones show runners confirm new seasons will spoil events in upcoming books
― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
Luckily, we've been talking about this with George for a long time, ever since we saw this could happen, and we know where things are heading. And so we'll eventually, basically, meet up at pretty much the same place where George is going; there might be a few deviations along the route, but we're heading towards the same destination. I kind of wish that there were some things we didn't have to spoil, but we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. The show must go on ... and that's what we're going to do.
I'm glad. The show is much better than the books. Now Martin can focus on the plot twists and not waste his time embedding them in thousands of pages of purple prose
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
dragons melt the ice, everyone surfs. the end.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
sorry, meant for spoiler thread
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
But aren't a lot of the best and funniest lines taken from the books? Maybe George Will script more of the show.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
Winds Of Winter and A Dream Of Spring reminds me so much of Color Of Spring and Spirit Of Eden that I keep subconsciously anticipating a late Talk Talk flavoured ending.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
Maybe George Will script more of the show.
oof, unfortunate capital W there!
Josh in Chicago, can you pull off a George Will game of thrones pastiche?
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
George Will might have scripted that rape scene with Jaime and Cersei
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
I have not got a clue about George RR Martin's politics, if any, but flags get waved in his books while he writes about hard times. He is no craven, and the recitation of beheadings and other problems always seems punctuated by a bleak, dire warning: "Winter is coming."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
(I think the only George Will I've ever read is his boneheaded Springsteen review.)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
GRRM is a lib
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
That was my almost word for word echo of the George Will Bruce essay. "I have not got a clue about Bruce Springsteen's politics," etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
Though of course GRRM totally reminds me of John Milius. http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/john_milius.jpg?itok=pNpaI7ed
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
oh shit yes!
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Hadn't heard of George Will. Don't fancy the sound of him.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
he is a piece of shit but less of a lickspittle than David Brooks
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
gwill brings a fierce east coast posh intellectual wearin a bowtie game
and he also has a sports machine
https://screen.yahoo.com/george-f-wills-sports-machine-000000461.html
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
i had no idea he had a sports machine!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
Don't know David Brooks either but I think I get the idea.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
GRRM has done nothing with it for like two books now
Chap, fixed that for your.
― Common Street Screwers (Leee), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
Non-spoiler review of the first episode
http://io9.com/wow-game-of-thrones-season-5-is-even-darker-than-we-ex-1693422221
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/VmWk962.jpg
They're not kidding. I can't see shit
― 龜, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
You have tilt your laptop screen pretty far back to watch GoT season 5
― who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
deleted scene screengrabhttps://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/467393628.jpg?w=650&h=456
― are... are you saying you fucked a gazelle? (slothroprhymes), Friday, 27 March 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
ladies... hello
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 March 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
that right there is a fun party
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 March 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
Since DJP isn't going to post it I'm gonna go ahead and post it
http://www.avclub.com/article/sexy-tyrion-lannister-cosplay-sexy-confusing-217504
― 龜, Monday, 6 April 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/NzBFWwp.jpg
ahahaha I was just about to post that here
― DJP, Monday, 6 April 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
i hate you both
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 April 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
Get imped.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 April 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
Death death death
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/entertainment/game-of-thrones/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
first four eps leaked (not HD). why must nerds ruin everything?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/12/8392559/game-of-thrones-season-5-leaked-episodes
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Is this the first time lots of episodes of a tv show have been leaked?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
One of the wire seasons. 4 maybe?
― Mordy, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
Wonder if this is just going to keep happening more.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
basically if they send out review copies its always a risk
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
/downloads furiously/
pretty excited abt this thank u nerds
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
Part of the appeal is watching EPICNESS in EPIC HD so I'm gonna pass
Ty tho nerds
― 龜, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
u cant resist sry
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
True I can't resist being first *spoils furiously*
― 龜, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
i maintain that they shd just release entire runs of a show on the same day its better in a lot of ways and in fact there shd be infinite episodes of any show
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
OMG THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER/WORSE/DIFF THAN THE BOOKS
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
Review copies? Why is there review copies? I thought tv critics watched everything with the rest of us, apart from special premieres of a first episode that only a relative few will see along with the big fans.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 April 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
early reviews hype the show. not that this one really needs hype i guess but why not
― head clowning instructor (art), Sunday, 12 April 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
I was wondering why there were suddenly a number of episodes available.Thought it might be like a Netflix multiple episodes released at the same time thing like Orange is the New Black seems to do & I think Daredevil just did. Or is that another case of this?
― Stevolende, Sunday, 12 April 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
This is quite a spoiler sensitive thing so I don't see what good giving critics more episodes is going to do, especially if it increases the risk of leaking.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 April 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
It just takes the pressure off of the first episode representing the entire season. Sopranos always screened the first four episodes for critics, to give a sense of the overall tone/plot/etc for the new season.
― with HD lyrics (Eazy), Sunday, 12 April 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
That makes sense I suppose but at this point I don't think this show needs it.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 April 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
it's just HBO standard policy
― Clay, Sunday, 12 April 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
Oh Jesus do I watch all four over the next few days then have to wait five weeks till the next one or do I try and eke them out, this is the hardest decision anyone has ever had to make.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 13 April 2015 00:49 (nine years ago) link
i watched them all they were p good
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 April 2015 01:18 (nine years ago) link
i think a previous season of GoT also leaked a few early episodes midseason?i'm perfectly happy waiting tbh. there's too much good tv out there already; i'm behind on shows i love anyway.
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 April 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
I guess we don't need two threads anymore.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 13 April 2015 02:03 (nine years ago) link
Show of hands for those who thought Grey Worm guy got recast for a minute there.
― Evan, Monday, 13 April 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link
right here.
"not this shit again... oh wait ok good"
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 13 April 2015 02:25 (nine years ago) link
xp ummmm if you were a bookreader you would've known that wasn't grey worm *turns up nose*
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 03:02 (nine years ago) link
same. also just finished marathoning the leaked episodes. amazing.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 April 2015 03:12 (nine years ago) link
I'm happy to wait week by week, but let's see if there's a cliffhanger or something and I might change my mind.
As for different threads, I think they should fully combine in season six, no? Maybe give this one more year of separation? I haven't read the books though so if those in the know think it's so far beyond it doesn't matter we should consider.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 13 April 2015 03:29 (nine years ago) link
WRT spoilers can we stick to the broadcast schedule on these?
Feel like chaining the first four would be the worst approach to take because you're then just waiting a month for more episodes. On the other hand, chaining the first four...
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2015 11:06 (nine years ago) link
I watched one last night - then I watched another and it was 2am, later than I'd ever stay up if I am not out. The choice becomes pretty easy when you've watched one episode and enjoyed it.
The show is just coasting now, in a good way.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Monday, 13 April 2015 11:11 (nine years ago) link
although at times I've started to feel visually reminded of The New Adventures Of Hercules, not solely due to Dario though he is definitely a big culprit.
Also can I just say again, that beardy wildling guy reminds me of Pirate Steve from Dodgeball.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Monday, 13 April 2015 11:12 (nine years ago) link
so this thread is just going to be people saying that they downloaded the leaked episodes and then "5 weeks pass"
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
Yeah where's the discussion.
Does this show have a bigger budget now or was it all wasted on the dragon scene and the statue sliding down the pyramid scene?
― Evan, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
the budget afaik has increased steadily every year. in the seasons where theyve had big battles or other major sequences (blackwater, red wedding, purple wedding, wildling battle), theyve also shorted other episode budgets - mostly by engineering said episodes to not need as many effects/locations/etc. - to pour extra into battle episodes.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
like the wildling battle episode cost like 12 million on its own according to the director neil marshall in an interview, iirc
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
That still sounds fairly cheap actually, a movie looking as good as that episode would only be twice as long, and cost maybe ten times as much.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
the little girl playing young cersei did a great job - you could clock who she was supposed to be almost immediately from the tone in her voice
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
lol yeah ur all id know that b anywhere
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
Felt pretty bummed about losing Ciaran Hinds tbh.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
right? he was great
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
stannis is such a cunt, i'd burn before kneeling to that prannet too
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 April 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
One of the most concise ways I've ever seen of character establishment was that comment, "we all know what Stannis is." from the first season, before we had ever seen him or really know anything about him.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 13 April 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
i kind of dig stannis and his moral absolutism less psyched abt his crazy religious fanaticism tho it is understandable in the context. was hoping for some assassin school arya (assuming that's where she's headed at least) but perhaps in subsequent eps.
also totally unsure where the plot is headed right now, feels like this season could go in any direction and im not sure if that's a good thing yet
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 13 April 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link
feel like i have a p good sense of the plot through like ep 4 after that not sure
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 April 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
excited for tyrion to meet QUEEN (?) OF DRAGONS (?)
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 April 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, April 13, 2015
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 13 April 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
Interesting how they've made Sansa look more like her mother (or Littlefinger has).
Is this the first time they've ever used flashbacks? I didn't think they'd ever do that because there's been so much talk of past events that other makers would have used flashbacks for.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link
Yes, Ciaran Hinds was good in the episode.
Really puzzled as to how exactly anyone could control dragons like that unless you had wargs working in shifts on them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 01:05 (nine years ago) link
Annoying that the witch in the flashback was a rumpled hottie instead of the horrible old crone of the books, does every little thing have to be sexy in this fuckin thing?
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 01:06 (nine years ago) link
yeshttp://i.imgur.com/QcY8T6N.jpg
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 01:14 (nine years ago) link
Kinda annoyed me that I never got to see Tyrion wash his hands clean.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 01:19 (nine years ago) link
SUBTEXT, RAG!
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 04:30 (nine years ago) link
Caved and watched all 4. Sort of wish the whole show had been paced like this.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 05:10 (nine years ago) link
Pretty good opening episode, even without any Arya scenes. One thing I noticed was that Winterfell is no longer a smoking ruin in the opening credits. Also, it's interesting to see that Daenerys is losing control of her dragons, and her role as the great white saviour is beginning to fall apart. This season, though, I'm mainly looking forward to the continuing adventures of Tyrion and Varys, and also them eventually meeting - and riding - the dragons. Can't wait 'till next week... but I will.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:29 (nine years ago) link
they're really driving the King's Landing and Sansa plots pretty damn fast this season!
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
so everyone's talking about the first 4 episodes now i guess
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
we kind of can't and shouldn't. lol i guess there needs to be a new 'spoilers but only insofar as season 5 episode 4" thread.
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
(i've only seen the first episode, fwiw)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
i have seen all four and i like the part when half-man adopts the smallest dragon
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
xpost fine to discuss S5 E1-4 in spoiler thread imo
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
Reckon I'm just going to stay away from all GoT threads from now on until I've caught up with the first four (which could be in the next few days if the GF has her way).
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
i watched all four immediately and now find myself without anyone to chat with about them (aside from the gf, but she doesn't enjoy this kind of stuff on the same level as me).
i'm being good and not spoiling anything for anyone.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
I'm naively hoping that Danerys can still control her dragons - mr veg wonders if third MIA dragon is the key ie her communicating through it to them when/if it ever returns
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
feel like its something about her just having confidence and accepting her role as leader and mother of dragons like shes afraid of them so they dont trust her and so forth, she will no doubt have some sort of breakthrough prob via riding around on them
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
would be kinda funny if the dragons just took off and never came back. like the whole thing with the dragons was just a shaggy dog story.
― ryan, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
I just assumed that the dragons have reached their teen years.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
they're going to steal the family car and then crash it.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
No way is Mom allowed in their room..
Not to mention their appetites at this age.
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
Tyrion will turn out to be a dragon whisperer.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
the third dragon flew off to star in the concluding chapter of the hobbit trilogy iirc
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
With all that wine in his belly, his breath will ignite a fire ball when a lit match come to close to his face, winning the dragon's trust.
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
too*
Despite the leak, the first episode apparently had 1.4 million more viewers than last year's opener(!?).
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-game-thrones-return-788658
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
If there isn't a scene with Daenerys riding on the back of Drogon, slicing heads off and roasting knights alive, I'm going to be very sad.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
Drogon is such a terrible name for a dragon.
Here's my cat, Cot.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
it's in reference to khal drogo, her catatonia-ridden and then mercy-smothered dothraki husband
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
which is why "drogo" would do just fine.
dying at "cot"
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
ya, i had to explain to my coworkers why I was laughing. not as funny out loud.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
basically because it would be impossible to yell at the cat without sounding like Sean Connery
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
xxp there have to be Ns at the end of almost every targaryen name, esp. if there isn't an -ys at the end, it's like a valryian law idk i don't make the rules man
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
one of the only immediate exceptions i can think of is rhaegal, one of her other dragons
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
So by the third dragon she didn't have the energy to continue to follow her silly naming rules?
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
well it's got the "rhae" part covered in that instance, another targaryen naming essential (rhaenys, rhaegar, rhaella, etc.) and is in tribute to her older, deader bro (rhaegar)
that one's def skirting the valryian rules man, v close call
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
danerys just has to ~find her inner dragon~
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
and not be such a crybaby, basically
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
worst part of the episode was the 25-minute long build up to a really boring, short conversation between Missandei and Grey Worm, so that we could learn that no, Grey Worm does not know why unsullied are visiting brothels.
also dario's butt feature
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
dario has to be the least sexy guy who is supposed to be sexy, ever
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
I thought Dany's dragons combined the names of her brothers and Drogo with the names of historical dragons?
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link
Dario had such a flat ass I felt embarrassed for him
― 龜, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
been skimping on his deadlifts.
― ryan, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
Dario was pretty much better in every way before they switched actors iirc?Yea: http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/Pic5RL6F0hil.jpg
― video2000, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 07:05 (nine years ago) link
Beardo guy>malformed woman
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 07:08 (nine years ago) link
i liked new-Dario actor in Nashville but he seems out of place in this
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
I think it's just because the first guy was such a nice fit and established the vibe of the character well that the new guy remains jarring since he looks so different (and carries himself differently, too).
― Evan, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
also he's not sexy or cool (or crazy) or mysterious
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
i am v much team new daario, old one was a bit cookie-cutter-medieval gut tbrr
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
*guy
It's like if they recast Grey Worm as a taller, chubbier guy and expected the audience to eventually get used to it. Only thing that helped the Mountain was that the character rarely appeared ep to ep.
― Evan, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
daario 1 seemed a bit closer to the book description iirc (blue hair aside)
― Evan, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
dario 1 had cool romance novel vibes new guy just looks like hes yr neighbor who rides his motorcycle on weekends
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
he is, but there have been so many of those changes in one way or another that i hardly even think of book descriptions, like in the books varys is bearded and wears weirdass makeup
michel huisman is most definitely a better actor even if he's not harlequin-novel-cover-art material
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
lol! xp
wait varys has a beard in the book?
― gbx, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
i couldve sworn i remember reading that in one of them but to be fair it's been some time. i am certain about him wearing lots of visible face powder and makeup in his book description tho.
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
in the books varys (who grew up with an acting troupe) is a master of disguises who sometimes dresses up as characters he plays to gain intelligence or throw a ruse (most notably the jailor), but as the public varys we know the show is pretty close to his description.
― Clay, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
i am super glad they don't have that actor in fake moustaches and canes and bullshit accents bobbling around as varys the master of disguise, that would really really suck
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
drunk nihilist tyrion is pretty amazing, feel like we're underplaying that
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 17 April 2015 04:19 (nine years ago) link
Felt pretty rote to me
― 龜, Friday, 17 April 2015 11:08 (nine years ago) link
aka "tyrion"
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
i tried to work from home today but instead i ended up watching the other three leaked episodes. okay now when's the next batch going to be leaked
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
not soon enough. i need to see the outcome of that last scene!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
all the spoilers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0XbcNcNJgQ
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
Just caught episode 1. It's mostly a "hey, remember where we were a year ago?" recap episode.
Cersei and Jaime do nothing. Some order called the Sparrows is introduced without details.The Tyrells do nothing.Varys reveals that he wants Daenerys as queen. Tyrion does nothing.Daenerys needs to deal with the former ruling class. This one's fine.Littlefinger and Sansa do nothing.Brienne and Payne do nothing.Sam and Gilly do nothing.Stannis kills Mance. Jon Snow accomplishes nothing.Reek and Arya MIA. (Bran and Hodor MIA for the whole season, supposedly.)
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
Tyrion implies he's open to traveling to meet Daenerys. That's something.
― Evan, Sunday, 19 April 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
Loras does, heh heh, something.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
episode 1 was a snooze.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Monday, 20 April 2015 10:09 (nine years ago) link
on reflection i kinda think it's been a poor start. as abanana says - they've managed to force everyone back into doing nothing. also ffs when is queen of dragons going to actually do something besides kill a peasant, pardon a peasant, listen to sage advice about how to govern, learn her ideals may not cut it in this brutal world of men, AGAIN.
― the swagger of oasis (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 April 2015 10:09 (nine years ago) link
they may have left Bran's boring storyline by the wayside, but they somehow managed to turn everyone into Bran-crew in this episode. No doubt things'll pick up soon.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Monday, 20 April 2015 10:18 (nine years ago) link
They do occasionally have these 'placing figures on the board' episodes, but I think by now, especially with an opening ep, people are impatient for advancement. I've just watched episode two (spoilers->), and, though it's more interesting than the first, the series does still feel like it's marching in place a little, or at least moving forward one step at a time. They seem more interested in hanging out with the characters than charging headlong with the story, though having so many different and totally separate plot lines, it's bound to slow things down. Everyone seems to have been split up into pairs, as well (Jaimie and Bran; Brienne and Podrick; Varys and Tyrion etc), just for added odd-couple banter.
I did like the cut between Tryion saying something like "She wants my head. How many dwarves will she have to kill?" - straight to a dwarf's decapitated head being thrown down onto a table.
And it does look as if it's all about to kick off on the Daenerys storyline at last, after she had that man executed without a trial.
Jon Snuurr's election - no surprises there.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 20 April 2015 13:58 (nine years ago) link
someone on Grantland was saying that in the books the current Daenerys storyline was GRRM's explicit response to the Iraq Occupation, but that the tv show is playing the politics down a bit.
Any book readers with a take?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 20 April 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
tbf the "explicit response" presented by the books is "conquering is easy governing is hard" and that seems to be coming across just fine.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 April 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
At this point they've painted Jaqen H'ghar as this unstoppable mysterious superhero which is cool and great but it makes his original appearance as a prisoner in a cart among murderous oafs not make much sense in that context. I feel like this was probably brought up already, but is there anything beyond fan-theory that addresses that discrepancy?
― Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
Er... his superpowers don't extent to bending metal bars?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 April 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link
it's possible he was exactly where he wanted to be?
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 April 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
chap - I'm implying that such an untouchable assassin would be quite hard to catch and imprison in the first place.
rogermexico - yeah thats the kind of fan theory hindsight justification I mean, unless the book/story actually confirms it at some point?
― Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
But in general those "I had planned all of this since the beginning" are pretty lazy storytelling devices... "yes, all of these particular events that are in no way under my control all going according to plan"
― Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
in the books, the man who meets arya at the house of black and white isn't jaqen h'ghar, and it's heavily implied that "h'ghar" is elsewhere
― max, Monday, 20 April 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
I guess the root of my question is whether the show is overplaying his abilities vs. the books. The more amazing, feared, and mystical they portray him, the less his original situation makes any sense.
Not losing sleep here, was just curious.
― Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
i kind of assumed that the dude you think is jaqen is really just any faceless dude and maybe all the faceless dudes can use that face or whatever. it seemed odd to me that he didn't let her in at first but did only after she kills a pigeon. just seemed to unnecessarily drag the story which is more/less grrm's MO
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 20 April 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
Game of Thrones: Being an Epic Recounting of Pointless Detours
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 April 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
xpost yeah i'm not saying that's my theory, and it may never be explained at all, but i am def not losing sleep over it. bookswise max otm and afaict the show is overplaying in the interest of keeping things "tight" characterwise. i like art's assumption and i'm kind of choosing that myself for now but we'll see where the show takes it.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 April 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
I didn't exactly mean to imply Jaqen specifically, but how likely is it that any faceless man could be captured? People who can shape shift their face and kill multiple guards at once on a whim shouldn't need to rely on a little girl to hand them an axe ever if I were to guess.
Really not trying to hanker for a perfect answer too much just clarifying my point.
I'll just move on to seemingly obsess over the next nit picky discrepancy now.
― Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
I also thought Arya's scenes were pointlessly extended in this episode. She goes in a house! Didn't need to take that long.
So how about Sam and Gilly's no-sexposition scene. Compare with the last episode's Loras sexp-- no wait, just sex scene.
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Monday, 20 April 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
Brienne always knows how to brighten my mood with ultraviolence. Also, Arya's effortless pigeon decapitation was cool.
Loved all the location photography, horses running through the forest, boats in the Braavos canals, crowd scenes. A great change of pace from all the boring two-shots in the last episode.
Is that black and white building a real location in Croatia or CGI? There was something inherently menacing about it. I wondered at the time if Arya would have gotten a different initial result if she'd knocked on the other-colored door.
Thrilled that Bron is back. I missed that guy.
― polyphonic, Monday, 20 April 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link
I was perfectly happy with last episode but found this one a little slow.
Keeping fingers crossed that the crazy wife of Stannis will get a tasty death scene.
Glad that Night's Watch coward got humiliated in front of everyone.
Couldn't Dany just have jailed that guy or gave him some other punishment?
Really surprised that Dornish guy wasn't interested in making a move. I thought this series was going to start with them coming down hard on the Lannisters. Their home looked lovely.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 20 April 2015 23:30 (nine years ago) link
House of B&W exterior seems to be a set. http://watchersonthewall.com/split-pillars-confirmed-meereen-game-of-thrones-filming-continues-toome-today/
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Monday, 20 April 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link
It rarely happens, but the House of Black & White was just about how I imagined it from the book. The streets of Braavos were significantly less populated with extras than my imagination, but otherwise I thought it was pretty cool.
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 03:21 (nine years ago) link
It rarely happens, but the House of Black & White was just about how I imagined it from the book.
Yeah, loved how it didn't have windows.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 06:08 (nine years ago) link
I'm enjoying the Varys and Tyrion road movie and am kind of stoked for Jaime and Bronn on tour as well but in general most of the enjoyment in these first couple of eps as come from watching characters bounce off one another. They kinda need to do something soon.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 08:54 (nine years ago) link
Really starting to steer away from the books now, isn't it? Or am I just forgetting what happened in the books?
― Unsettled defender (ithappens), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 09:05 (nine years ago) link
Yeah loads of quite significant changes, Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne is completely new for example. Even more to come in e3.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 09:42 (nine years ago) link
I'm guessing Bronn simply went away in the books but is too much of a tv show favourite to disappear?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
Seems like they're consolidating a lot of the roles
― 龜, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
I think they've always done that but they're doing it even more now.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
so i guess daenerys' arc is supposed to mirror the millenia-long evolution of political rule? from leaders of warlike clans to philosopher queens, joining tribes together into something resembling a coalition, the formation of an advisory counsel...uh, i don't know where i'm going with this, but my point is that by the end of the show i fully expect to see daenerys defeated in an open election supervised by UN observers
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
or on trial for warcrimes
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
Dragons of mass destruction.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
indicted by the highgarden war crimes tribunal
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
Maisie Williams was walking even more effeminately than she has in the past, hasn't she?
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link
I can't remember if the house was connected to the land, if the only access was by the boat, or if the boat was the quickest route they took. But the point of the extension is that a wait weeds out the insincere applicants. Fairly classic trope. My question was 'if she was denied initial entry, what about the alleyway scene convinced Jaqen to accept her into the fold? That she was facing down three bullies?
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
he just wanted to eat some pigeon.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
"You passed the test!"
"Really? That's great!"
"Yeah! I rejected you at the door so I could see how you'd handle that. You waiting for a long time. Like maybe a whole day. I was impressed with your persistence"
"Well, I mentioned I crossed the sea and had nowhere else to go. But then I got bored and pissed off so I threw the coin in the water and left."
"You proved that you are... slightly more patient than a few other people. You show great promise, child."
"I didn't do anything. I mean, you were the one that scared off the muggers."
"Check this out- recognize this coin?"
"You probably have a whole chest full of those things. Can I go eat this filthy pigeon carcass now?"
― Evan, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
One jokey theory I've heard is that Arya wasn't allowed in initially because she knocked on the black door - if she had knocked on the white door, she would have been.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link
I was expecting Spy vs. Spy to answer.
― Evan, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
It was like a video game scene. Unlock the door by chanting names, killing pigeon, throwing in water.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link
coin
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:04 (nine years ago) link
The framing of Arya midway between black & white doors was my favorite shot of that episode. And agreed about the day (?) she waited being a "Why was THAT the difference?" stumper.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
think it speaks to the general blahness of this ep that no one's bothering to post about it. the farther they go off the map, the more generic the scenes seem to get :(
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 27 April 2015 05:52 (nine years ago) link
Sparrows turn out to be corruptible Christians. Ho hum. I don't think Cersei is making wise decisions, and I'm guessing her days are numbered.
If Sansa had refused to go to Winterfell I assume Baelish would still have dragged her there.
(minor book spoiler that everyone has heard) I think they are dramatizing Tyrion realizing his first wife was genuine. Instead of just being told it from his brother.
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Monday, 27 April 2015 06:24 (nine years ago) link
think it speaks to the general blahness of this ep that no one's bothering to post about it.
May also speak of people having watched them all a couple of weeks ago.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 27 April 2015 11:19 (nine years ago) link
i watched them all a couple of weeks ago and so have been waiting to see if others agree this season is shit so far
four whole episodes and nothing happens, shame on them. vince gilligan needs to run a class for the "one reveal a season" writers on most other shows.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 27 April 2015 11:46 (nine years ago) link
ep was definitely boring. also, the sansa subplot doesn't make any sense. also looks like next week's ep will be very danaerys/dorne heavy which is a bummer.
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 27 April 2015 13:04 (nine years ago) link
wait wut why would dorne-heavy be a bad thing?
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 13:17 (nine years ago) link
The whole "nothing happens" complaints are confirmation bias. You're remembering all of the "big things" that happened throughout past seasons and disregarding all of the slow setting-up-dominos-for-shit-storm that has always been a part of the show.
― Evan, Monday, 27 April 2015 13:58 (nine years ago) link
I kinda agree. Quite a lot of different things are happening everywhere just no dominant event.
Actively dreading whatever is to happen between Sansa and Ramsay tbh
― nashwan, Monday, 27 April 2015 14:05 (nine years ago) link
How long has it been since the events at the beginning of the first season and now? when sansa returned to winterfell and someone was like "the north remembers you" i thought "well yeah, that was like 2 weeks ago right"
― Karl Malone, Monday, 27 April 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
4 years
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 27 April 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
Xxxxp - i just dont have a lot of interest in the dorne subplot so far, given how it wasn't on the radar until last season when homeboy got his head squished. and i guess i dont really care what happens to marcella.
admittedly i feel like i go through similar cycles of "this show is boring and weird why am i watching it" every season. at some pt back in season 2 i just gave up and didn't catch up until the next one was almost halfway through. anyway that bit about confirmation bias is probably on pt
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 27 April 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
they shouldn't have to tee it up for half a season each year. i don't expect it to come in all guns blazing from minute one, but this is several seasons in now, they shouldn't have this ambling pace. feels like they are essentially just wasting time until emptying their half-pocket of events with a big battle in the last ep or two.
also the seeds they're sewing are quite poor - arya locked in a nothing happens loop, dragon queen discovering it is hard to rule hmm maybe i should release those dragons i imprisoned for a while tho i guess i am stuck here for a while one way or another, jon snow meeting stannis for a few episodes, another duo in dorne.
they really have divided it up into more strands. i have faith it'll improve but it does seem wasteful and unnecessary, like the end of a season is just a narrative reset button and now we all have to take our medicine.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 27 April 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
if sansa is filling the role of a character from the books who marries ramsay snow, it will be very unpleasant indeed, but a. theyve been very quick to make changes in the show and b. there are some scenes in that storyline that if adapted exactly might honestly go too far even for HBO. they'll probably do some version of them though, and the presence of ramsay's fellow psychopath friend with benefits in the show is also prob gonna make things really goddamn disturbing
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 14:29 (nine years ago) link
I have no idea where they are going with the sansa snow thing honestly. I have a gut feeling sansa is going to surprise us though.
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 27 April 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
i'm hoping that there will be an episode where ALL of the main characters are in the same room at the same time. and then it's like 45 minutes straight of Good, the Bad, and the Ugly-style staring at each other and sweating.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 27 April 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
maybe in minute 26 of the showdown, someone's like "who are you again? there are so many of us"
fuckin ramin djawadi is utterly incapable of contributing the ennio to that scenario unfort
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 27 April 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
regarding the pace, every season has started slow. 2 is probably the slowest, like too slow for large chunks of it, and it is prob the weakest season even with its dynamite finish.
the plotlines from the remaining book chunks do increase in terms of how fast and compelling they are, and given the obviously growing impatience of the benioff/weiss brain trust i think that they will do an even better job with them.
i thought this episode was v good tbh! but it was one of the collection-of-scenes installments, for sure, and while i don't mind those if the scenes are good (and i thought these were), i can understand how they are less appealing to some.
in particular, i think once jaime/bronn arrive in dorne that stuff is gonna be gangbusters, although i havent seen episode 4 so i dont know what dorne stuff will be in it other than the preview scenes of the sand snakes getting pumped up by ellaria sand.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
The end of season 4 was more or less a point of regathering; the war is kind of over, several of the great houses are in disarray. It's natural that thibgs will take a while to build momentum again.
If you think the show is currently plodding along aimlessly, you should try reading A Feast For Crows. They're zipping plots by in comparison.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 27 April 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
i said seeds they're "sewing" upthread, sorry everyone.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 27 April 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
I likef this ep, the North stuff in particular. Can't tell if I either like Roose Bolton as a character or just the actor but I usually enjoy his scenes, especially the one with Littlefinger.
― klonman, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
I like that they're implying Roose is smart enough to potentially not let Littlefinger get away with his usual schemes. Looking forward to seeing them interact more.
― Evan, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
His behavior was Tywin-esque this episode. Too he's a package deal with one-note Ramsay.
― klonman, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
*too bad
― klonman, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
roose is def as smart as littlefinger but a bit more shortsighted. mostly in the sense that if littlefinger had fathered a child who grew to be ramsay, littlefinger would've made him have an accident long before ramsay became the serial killer he is now.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
He's probably less dispassionate than Littlefinger. Obviously has a real deep seated grudge against the Starks.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 27 April 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
Only watched the first two eps and I'm in agreeance with Local Garda - nothing is going on and it just seems wasteful. And as said, it's understandable they have to set up the pieces before they knock em down, but everything seems so aimless to me, especially since I haven't read the books and the last season was a year ago.
A lot of the wit and repartee, the action and the plot feels pedestrian and drawn out now. I also have to admit that I'm confused about a lot of the characters' motivations. Much as I was a bit frustrated by Bran's "We've got to keep walking this direction with this rag-tag bunch of nobodies for ill-explained reasons" plotline, it now feels like that's the case for almost everybody. There'll be a long boring piece of exposition about why someone's decided to trek to Dorne, and then five dull scenes of them walking/riding up and/or down the map discussing back-story.
I thought there were supposed to be white walkers and giants about to smash down the wall any moment, but apparently they're tired now or something? Anyhow, the ticking clock seems to have gone from this season so far. It's 4.30 on a Friday afternoon and the GoT characters are looking at their watches waiting for the weekend to start.
And no I'm not asking for a Michael Bay movie either, I just don't get a sense of progress so far. It's just more of the same, with a predictable dual battle happening simultaneously in Dorne and at the Wall.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Monday, 27 April 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link
i also have trouble distinguishing between the guy who plays roose bolton and the guy who plays stannis baratheon. i think for a while i thought they were supposed to be the same person, which confused me very much.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Monday, 27 April 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
I agree that the overarching tension we're supposed to be constantly feeling in regards to the impending "winter" and how it represents the march of the white walkers is a bit lost in favor of focus on the character's very personal goals and missions at the moment.
― Evan, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
i also have trouble distinguishing between the guy who plays roose bolton and the guy who plays stannis baratheon
besides the physical similarities, their scenes are also shot with a similar color palette and lighting, in contrast to most of the other locales/houses, which get their own unique styles.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure John Snow/Starks "winter is coming" was the first time someone has uttered that phrase in two seasons. Maybe it's actually coming now.
― klonman, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
apparently an alfie allen interview has confirmed that the ramsay scene i am most terrified of in the books is indeed going to be in the show
oh sweet christ...
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
1) people come to the house of black and white in order to die (by drinking the water in the fountain)
2) it took arya stark a full day of getting rained on and twiddlin' her thumbs and getting picked on by teenz in order to enter the house of black and white.
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either the people coming to the house in order to die are willing to go through a lot of hassle in order to die quickly and peacefully, or arya was using the wrong door or something
― Karl Malone, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
So what will they do with the body? Anatomy lesson and/or disguise material?
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Monday, 27 April 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
xxp, there was a comment forever ago about the actress who plays sansa having to deal with a brutal rape scene while her parents were on set, i guess that's inevitable
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 April 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
was that not the attempt that was broken up when the hound came in and killed everybody?
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 27 April 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
ramsay gives me the full creeps
like littlefinger x 100
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 April 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
xp ive never been clear if the anecdote refers to that scene (in s2, during the riot in king's landing) or this upcoming new scene but i'm guessing the latter
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Monday, April 27, 2015 3:03 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You don't understand this process at all. Those people enter through "shipping and receiving" side door.
― Evan, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
oooooh, and Arya had to use the "emerging acolytes" door
― Karl Malone, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
Right, just look like you want to die and mosey through the open loading bay and nobody will bother you.
― Evan, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
guess wiz and Hawks
this story has been around for a few years now so it can't refer to anything forthcoming
― Clay, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
isn't this talk all a bit spoilery?
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Monday, 27 April 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
is "GoT to feature more grotesque sexual violence!" really a spoiler for anybody
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
I hear in the next episode there's gonna be boobs
#SPOILER
don't you have a top 10 late period sopranos episodes list to make
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
is that a request
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 April 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
retract halfhearted zing, am projecting bad mood onto unwitting ilxor
im finding it interesting that the other fantasy show that's on rn, outlander, appears to be showing similarly disturbing content of that specific nature and not attracting as much attention
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
Jon Snow in the dining hall... Sam walks in the front door... Jon looks up- cuts to black
― Evan, Monday, 27 April 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
negative attention, that is. as yet. then again perhaps the director of an episode of that show did not do something as stupid as say to a critic that the obvious and highly disturbing rape depicted on his show was not a rape, leading to his not being a director on the show anymore
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 27 April 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 April 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
Outlander is more soft-core porn-y than OTT violent...
― schwantz, Monday, 27 April 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
All the promo shots for Outlander make it look like The Notebook or something, is there more to it than that?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 27 April 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
yes, but i had a hard time getting into it past the first ep
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 00:29 (nine years ago) link
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Never seen Gwyneth Keyworth before, big fan now! Doubt her character will come back though.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 00:34 (nine years ago) link
Rila Fukushima will be a proper character?
Tyrion was really dumb boasting out loud like that. I assumed Jorah was taking was taking him to Cersei but others are saying Danaerys.
I had to be reminded that Janos betrayed the Starks but I thought Jon beheaded him because he'd be either useless or a traitor.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
After hearing Neil Marshall speak of the HBO pervert audience representative, I've been amused by the idea of this one guy creeping around the sets of many of the HBO shows, with cast and crew trying to get rid of him like Mario trying to get rid of Lakitu the cloud driving annoyance.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 00:51 (nine years ago) link
Some people do seem to get impatient when there aren't Big Shocking Events happening. I mean, this episode had a wedding and no-one even got murdered during it. But I enjoyed this ep quite a bit, actually.
Yeah, Tryion was getting a little loose-tongued (who was that woman who spotted him?), and I also think Jorah is whisking him off to Daenerys - he's obviously still got her on his mind, what with drinking away his sorrows in close proximity to Dany cosplay prostitutes. Whether or not she's becoming less popular as a ruler; they clearly still think she's hott.Margaery is also starting to be less careful about what she says in front of Cersei when she's with her giggling handmaidens. I did like "we'll get some wine for you - it's a little early for us".
Arya in a dress. I liked the girl assisting her, in the House of Black & White; hope she becomes a recurring character.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 12:07 (nine years ago) link
Well, Rila Fukushima (famous fashion model turned actress, I know her best from second Wolverine film but she's been in other tv shows too) is obviously a red priestess but I don't know if there's enough to suggest she'll be in it much as anything other than a sign of the spreading of that religion.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:40 (nine years ago) link
i don't think GoT takes a well known face and gives it a speech and a closeup and a meaningful exchange of looks with a lead character without having the payoff of more of the same, especially when it's a young beautiful woman
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, April 27, 2015 6:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if sansa is filling the role of a character from the books who marries ramsay snow, it will be very unpleasant indeed
― slothroprhymes, Monday, April 27, 2015 3:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hey, nothing personal but can we have less of this in here, please? Even vague it's still kind of a drag
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
Let's bump spoilers thread, I would like to discuss more aboveboard
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
thx
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
i didnt know there was a spoiler friendly thread (i'm newish here), my bad
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
Don't worry; I figured - no problem at all
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
but there must be justice
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 00:23 (nine years ago) link
throw him through the moon door
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link
I've often wondered if there's like a whole bunch of smashed bone and maybe a sizable permanent bloodstain on the ground somewhere, many miles down from the moon door
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:09 (nine years ago) link
or if you fall that far at a certain speed do you just like splatter and mostly disintegrate?
wonder what life in the town nearest that point is like. "honey, did you leave the cat out again?" "nah babe that was just the last scream of someone who read a story wrong to robin arryn"
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link
mythbusters shld do the moon door
― Clay, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:13 (nine years ago) link
haha distant screams of humans falling miles to their death or a nearby cat's meow? I guess that's pretty accurate.
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 03:33 (nine years ago) link
right okay, i've seen the third episode now and things are slowly starting to move forward BUT -- I'm still a bit confused as to what a lot of the characters are up to. It's probably because the last season feels like so long ago and I've forgotten a few details but what exactly is Arya up to? Why did she go all the way to the house of black and white just to hang out and do nothing? What was that token she threw in the river? I don't remember how she got it. Why does she want to become 'no one'? Who are all the people there? Am I right in thinking the guy in the cloak is the same assassin who granted her three kills in previous series, or is he someone else? Is Arya merely interested in revenge at this stage or something bigger? What's all the mumbo jumbo about the 7 gods or archetypes or something, and when did she learn all this?
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 08:39 (nine years ago) link
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/vitamins-supplements/zinc/
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 08:45 (nine years ago) link
Why did she go all the way to the house of black and white just to hang out and do nothing? What was that token she threw in the river? I don't remember how she got it. Why does she want to become 'no one'? Who are all the people there? Am I right in thinking the guy in the cloak is the same assassin who granted her three kills in previous series, or is he someone else? Is Arya merely interested in revenge at this stage or something bigger? What's all the mumbo jumbo about the 7 gods or archetypes or something, and when did she learn all this?
she has nowhere else to go and is sick of not having control of her own destiny; a coin given to her by jaqen h'ghar signifying that she is a friend of the faceless men; she got it from jaqen h'ghar in season 2; yes, that is jaqen h'ghar; arya is interested in revenge, yes sure, but also in having agency of some kind; she learned exactly as you did, the idea is that single throughline through all the religions in the world of GoT (or here on Earth) is that the one god worshiped by all people is the god of death, and that is who we ultimately serve. that's the faith of the faceless men, with whom arya is currently chilling.
― Clay, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 09:20 (nine years ago) link
cheers!
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 09:43 (nine years ago) link
i must say, a lot of that doesn't feel very explicit in this season. despite the much-heralded divergences from the books, this season feels increasingly like an adaptation where certain plot-points are breezed over and character arcs don't feel particularly clear. I'm sure it's clearer in the bookes, but for those just watching as a series, it's testament to this season's rocky start that Arya would travel to a house in the middle of nowhere because she doesn't appear to have anything better to do. And as mentioned upthread, being refused access and then being granted it for no apparent reason a day or two later seems like a willfully gnomic move.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 09:58 (nine years ago) link
I'm not getting any of this confusion, tbh. I mean, for Arya's reasons for going, at least. Now we are experiencing things through her eyes, as a stranger in a strange land, and the mystery is deliberate. And that's fine.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 10:16 (nine years ago) link
But if Arya's hell-bent on avenging her relatives, why has she set sail to Braavos so she can hang around a dank labyrinth trying to forget who she is?
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 11:44 (nine years ago) link
She knows she needs the skills first. She's pretty patient is Arya.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 11:45 (nine years ago) link
she has wanted to be a killer since p much the start, and they did spend several episodes showing how shit hot at killing people that jaqen guy was.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 11:50 (nine years ago) link
ah, alright then.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 11:54 (nine years ago) link
I was wondering whether deciding not to throw Needle away was due to sentimentalism, or just that she was thinking, 'this Faceless Men thing may turn out to be bs, I need a back-up plan'. Or a bit of both.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 12:04 (nine years ago) link
didn't ned give it to her? seems it'd be p hard to throw away the weapon your murdered father passed on.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 12:07 (nine years ago) link
Ned or Jon Snow? Or did Jon just help her name it or something?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 12:10 (nine years ago) link
I thought Ned gave it to her - didn't he find she was trying to learn to fight, get annoyed, then change heart and give her the sword?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 12:19 (nine years ago) link
ned got her some sword lessons. jon had the sword made for her
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 12:28 (nine years ago) link
Oh yeah, it's coming back to me - Ned found the sword amongst her stuff in King's Landing, was pissed off at first then relented and sorted Syrio out to give her lessons.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 12:32 (nine years ago) link
ah right - presume they're just keeping the sword in the picture so she can kill jon snow with it then
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:04 (nine years ago) link
she wants to kill jon snow?
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:09 (nine years ago) link
nah i'm just imagining a future scenario in which that might be the case
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:11 (nine years ago) link
i haven't read the books
Arya's kill list as it stands: "Cersei, Walter Frey, the Mountain, Meryn Trant"
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link
why is the mountain on it again?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:39 (nine years ago) link
i think he was commanding the torturers in that ruined city when she was captured there. i assume that was when his name got on the list
― head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
so that's what she was saying. I heard 'marlin trout' and thought she had it in for a fish. who the fuck is meryn trant?
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:52 (nine years ago) link
he killed Syrio
― mizzell, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
figured it wasn't RDJ's fault
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link
He's in it quite a lot but rarely says anything - hatchet-faced kingsguard who's always lurking around Cersei.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
Haven't they been showing us Arya staring at that coin and reciting names for two seasons before this one? This is not a case of a show not setting up a character motivation
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
yes, they have. i know because i've been really bad jokes about arya spending it on a hot dog for a couple years now
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
You mean some brown stew in Hell's bottom
― 龜, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:02 (nine years ago) link
Shit, show merge. Uh, Bottom's Kitchen
What's thatp lace called. The place with the stews
In Flea Bottom we called them 'bowls of brown'.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
Right. Hell's Fleas
― 龜, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
Flea Bottom, Flea Bottom, talk about brown bowls, the Red Keep's got 'em.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
Haven't they been showing us Arya staring at that coin and reciting names for two seasons before this one? This is not a case of a show not setting up a character motivation― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:47 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:47 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It was more the fact she was supposed to be out for revenge but instead decided to go to a house in the remotest of nowhere, throwaway her possessions (including, ostensibly, her sword), so she could hang around and mop a floor while forgetting who she is. I don't remember a bit in S4 where she made up her mind to go to Braavos or the b/w house but maybe I'm forgetting it. It was a year ago.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
as an aside, i like it when people call it 'games of thrones'. especially if they've been following it for years.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
xpost approaching tuomas-level deliberate obtuse
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
i felt like Aria's drive for revenge was waning – because all these people on her list were getting killed constantly by other people. i know she was still reciting her names, but i feel like she is more willing to put all that on the backburner.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
and just hang around.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
she wants to become an assassin. she knows one dude in the world who is one. I wonder why she goes to find him?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
yes that's clearer now, but it wasn't before.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
and besides, all this mr miyagi nonsense 'you can't come in. now you can come in' / 'now sweep the floor for days on end', is a bit played out and feels like an excuse to draw a simple plotline out over a series where not enough happens.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
i think it would be pretty interesting if they were willing to pare back the number of storylines per episode...like maybe just follow one or two, allow them to develop without so much interruption and stalling.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
but they can't develop storylines without running into the brick wall (the end of the books).
really the best solution is for this show to take a breather until 2020 or so, i'm sure everyone would be fine with that
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
the amount of expository back-story-retelling in this show is ridiculous
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:18 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
All of the actors will age normally except Bran, who at his current rate will be a decrepit old man by that point.
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
just think, first episode could be tyrion and dany until they (presumably) meet. episode two: arya and sansa's storylines so far. episode three maybe cersei and jon snow? or whatever. it's all so choppy and dissatisfying dramatically right now.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
i remain confused by how frustrating this is to people, i mean to each his/her own obvs but the sprawl and the crosscutting has been embedded in the show's blueprint for most if not all of its run
well, since they aren't going to be going entirely according to GRRM's plan out of necessity, i'm not sure this is a factor exactly
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
yeah book diversion is already a thing, they can do whatever they'd like at this point
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
True, but they're not doing it very well is the thing.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
the only change i've really disagreed with is how that scene with cersei and jaime in the sept went and only bc it made an already unsettling occurrence that much worse
like what has really bothered ppl?
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
this is a slow-paced show, it is basically the wire with swords and magic and a lot more nudity, always has been, things unfold at a v measured pace until they explode and they always explode eventually
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
xposteh, i mean they have artistic license to explore different directions that aren't in the books, especially while they wait for the new ones, but does anyone really think they're going to introduce a new storyline that would have a major effect on the overall plot? one that kills off a main character, or results in one house destroying another or something? nah- any new non-book storyline is gonna have to be like a optional sidequest that the characters do for bonus XP
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
like MAYBE the character will travel to a different land and eventually, after a bunch of talking and 9 episodes pass, pick up upgraded armor
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
i def think they will kill off a main character this season who's still alive in the books & would tell you in the spoiler thread if yer curious
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
i don't want to know! but i will cross my fingers that they're killing off the entire daenerys storyline
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
This show has gotten farther and farther away from any fair comparisons with The Wire for a couple seasons at least. What drew me in during the first season was how the bureaucratic minutiae could ripple out into massive effects far away from the epicenter, but now, a lot of the cool consequential realpolitik has been replaced by generic high-level fantasy cliche. I did like Stannis and Jon's (and later Davos's) negotiations to legitimize Mopey McOpenMouth and offer him Wintefell, but even then it felt a little superficial and rote.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
I guess Carcetti's wandering accent is to blame, really.
"...generic high-level fantasy cliche."
What are the main examples of this in your opinion?
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Don't make me back up my internet assertions this early in the day!
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
all of the tywin stuff, which lasted for 3 seasons, counts as cool realpolitik, the meereen stuff that everyone hates (even i'm getting a little impatient and i'm a dany defender) is basically carcetti #struggles but with 3 dragons lol
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
ummm it is only early on the gomorrah that is the west coast leee you'll have to do better than that excuse-wise
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
Not enough sheeeeit
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Which character storylines are near the end of Dance With Dragons and which still have a long way to go?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
bran is already done hence his absence and sansa is done but now being repurposed. i think everyone else has enough book story for the rest of the season.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
Dude I am on the West Coast, I wish the entire Eastern seaboard would get swallowed up into the Atlantic already!
I like the Meerene stuff, I wish it were expanded on!
I dunno, it all feels like boring cloak-and-dagger, betrayal for memeification's sake.
― A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
What makes Bran "done"?
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
That's like saying Brienne was "done" when she made it to King's Landing with Jaime, or similarly when Tyrion made it back there himself earlier in the show.
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
done as in, his plotline has not moved further in the published books than where it's at in the tv show
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
It's still spoiling things to talk about what is not going to happen fyi
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
OH, right
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
the question was asked and answered. As Spiralli pointed out, Sansa's story has been repurposed. Same could happen for Bran too, who knows?
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
i dunno man it's still a drag.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
just think, first episode could be tyrion and dany until they (presumably) meet.
I was telling my wife that if the shows pace is indicative of anything, these two will finally meet in the second to last episode of the season..
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
i doubt they will meet this season
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
they'll just text
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
Certain characters are diverging widely from the books at this point.
The producers have also said that some characters won't be in this season at all and also that some plot lines will be going beyond the books, based on Martin's outlines (i.e. the show will now be 'spoiling' the books).
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
also a Veep crossover episode
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
^^ I'm ready for this
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
The show's political scheming was always my favourite part, but when you have frozen zombies and wizards there will necessarily be shaky attempts to juggle the tonal differences between "Giants attacking a wall to flee White Walkers" and "lady is pretty upset her lover was killed in a duel".
But it's still there, and I like that this season might be reorienting to that a bit outside of King's Landing. The Sansa stuff is potentially great, and I'm at the point where I assume any character that looks like they can outmaneuver someone won't (we need twists!) but in the case of Sansa v Littlefinger v Roose, it's very interesting. Roose is pretty canny but it's hard to tell just how good he is, but even if he's at his best he has that Edward I>Edward II problem of a good leader and strategic thinker being stuck with an absolute waste of a "son", which has the feel of epic, dynastic tragedy that is best when borne out of muddy political shenanigans.
I think the pace of the show is good overall, especially as it still gives time over to character backstory monologues that were the salvation of the first however many episodes of the first season. Regardless, this show theoretically only has 27 episodes left and I'm glad it's still taking its time rather than rushing headlong to resolve all the set up.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 30 April 2015 01:51 (nine years ago) link
What was the point of the Gendry storyline? It was developing in a possibly intriguing political shake-up style direction then just got literally pushed out to sea and abandoned.
― Evan, Thursday, 30 April 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
I had been wondering that, I've no idea where Gendry even is at this point.
Looking forward to shit kicking off at Winterfell. This whole thing is feeling increasingly like a Varys and Littlefinger chess game and I'm enjoying it a lot but could do with some action quite soon.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 April 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Feel like the Gendry and Brotherhood storylines fell down a memory hole at the exact same time.
― klonman, Thursday, 30 April 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
hope Brienne doesn't fall in a similar hole. they've spent a good amount of time with her this season so i'm expecting some Tarth action.
― mizzell, Thursday, 30 April 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
the story about her and renly was kinda adorable and explained alot
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 30 April 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
I don't think it's quite inevitable but I'm worried/excited about favourite characters eventually fighting each other, like Brienne vs Davos. Kinda felt that way about Brienne vs Hound but generally so far it's been clear who the audience is rooting for.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 30 April 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
― Evan, Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:56 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it m/l served its purpose, stannis wanted to kill davos over it but knew he'd need him once he realized he had to go north of the wall, that's about it. i wouldnt be surprised if he showed up in some small capacity
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
I figured he'd turn up as a blacksmith in some small northern town like Hotpie in that pub.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
Hotpie was probably the single most pointless character who wasn't one of Bran's kru.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
I kinda liked him. He hardly distracted the plot.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
a lot of these "pointless" characters aren't really pointless, but serve to illustrate how major characters view themselves, treat others,are good/bad, etc.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/joedempsie/status/479055824414076928
― groovypanda, Friday, 1 May 2015 06:40 (nine years ago) link
Well, at least I got to see a little actual Barristan Selmy action. That's all I'd wanted this whole time.
"Sand snakes" actors all seem kinda... shitty.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link
The most I've ever been taken out of a scene by bad acting. The staging and theatrics didn't help.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 4 May 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link
Well, at least I got to see a little actual Barristan Selmy action. That's all I'd wanted this whole time."Sand snakes" actors all seem kinda... shitty. --Evan
"Sand snakes" actors all seem kinda... shitty. --Evan
guess ur not a whale rider fan your loss
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 03:46 (nine years ago) link
seriously though that entire scene was forced as shit
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
loved it, loved the whole ep, possibly the best of the season thus far
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 05:14 (nine years ago) link
sand snakes are great little bit of hesitance to the line readings but that shouldn't really mess with people's enjoyment imo!
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 05:15 (nine years ago) link
Heads and shoulders the best episode of the season
― Clay, Monday, 4 May 2015 06:32 (nine years ago) link
stannis' speech to his daughter had me tearing up a bit, not something that I'd ever really thought would happen on this show & especially bc of something stannis said!
― Clay, Monday, 4 May 2015 06:37 (nine years ago) link
After a little searching I found a bit of innernette that validates my reaction to the sand snakes scene. Looks like tsrobodo and I aren't alone:
http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/34s5ri/s5e4_the_sand_snakes/
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:01 (nine years ago) link
stannis speech made me think he's gonna die soon.
sand snakes scene and the fight scene were some mst3k type stuff. though i cant really complain too much, as i like it when the show embraces its own silliness.
but this season is a slog so far.
― ryan, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:21 (nine years ago) link
redditors lean toward hot takes tho, especially where stuff for teh nerds is involved
I'm sure that you guys just were rubbed the wrong way by the scene which is totally fine, of course, but for me it feels symptomatic (in a tangential way) of some people still not being quite able to take this show seriously and suspend disbelief w/o being shaken out of it by various things. perhaps it stems from the urge to memeify everything
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:25 (nine years ago) link
in the micro sense it could've been a bit better but the dornish (those related to oberyn anyhow) have been set up (even to non-book viewers) as kinda self serious and intense, it seems in keeping with what I would expect of them.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:27 (nine years ago) link
in closing, I think things are accelerating now! jorah's presence is a wrinkle in tyrion's journey and not a detour. jaime in dorne is about to run into a lot of trouble. the faith militant are going buckwild in a single episode. the sons of the harpy attack was brutal and I don't think anyone expected them to move that fast or that boldly
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:34 (nine years ago) link
agreed upthread, the dorne scenes have thus far been either uninteresting or unintentionally hilarious (re: sand snakes). the rest of the show does feel now to be moving toward something, which is a great improvement over the last few eps
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 4 May 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link
I was a little annoyed with the ending faight scene as well in that, in my opinion, it would take at least that many experienced/trained fighters to overwhelm an elite group of unsullied, Grey Worm AND Selmy (even old man Selmy), and I'd prefer it require at least twice the amount of losers in masks with daggers. Even with them trapped in an alleyway. Sons of the Harpy were too formidable... feel like you'd need a much bigger swarm of them. Unsullied didn't even lock into any cool formations. Booooo.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:44 (nine years ago) link
it's a narrow passageway! in a city the unsullied are still learning the ins and outs of vs. an enemy with the element of surprise and the inspiration of fundamentalist rage
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, May 4, 2015 8:25 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm taken out of it when in one scene the acting is fantastic (Stannis, Tyrion) and then in the next devolves into NCIS corniness (sand snakes). Hopefully their scenes improve! I'll remain hopeful.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link
Passageway wasn't that narrow, whatever.
It's just all those guys were so hyped throughout the series that I wanted them to be just a little more resilient vs. a gang of masked noobs with daggers.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
obv. a Black Hawk Down scenario
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 4 May 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
yeah the unsullied/harpy flight was definitely lame given that it was supposed to be elite troops vs citizens. and worm and barry were just thrown away, no real narrative importance or dramatic impact. it was just, hey guess what these guys died.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 4 May 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
i'm guessing the narrative importance is that Jorah is on his way back and Dani is down a couple of allies
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 4 May 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
Even down to inconsistencies like how awhile back one unsullied dude got his nipple sliced off without wincing but Grey Worm howled in pain when he was stabbed.
Sure that's a TOTALLY petty point but when you never see these guys in action (including Selmy) and they're constantly hyped you expect those character attributes to get validated clearly THEN you watch them get overwhelmed by the Harpy dudes and it's tragic etc. etc.
Please remember I know these are relatively minor gripes.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
BTW I'm pretty sure Grey Worm at least lives on, given clues via the original season trailer and the "next on GoT" trailer.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
Just speculation though, in case that sounded too spoilery.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
I found it jarring how formidable the harpies were too. Like, unless it's revealed that they brought in ringer mercenaries from outside the city to wear their masks and kill dany's ppl, it's lame storytelling.
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 4 May 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
the harpies outnumbered them but they still all died.
― mizzell, Monday, 4 May 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link
It would have made more sense for the story if they resorted to more terrorism-style traps like a barrage of arrows/fire/oil or something. Why would a bunch of civilians with masks and daggers throw themselves at trained fighters in armor? Because masks and daggers is their "thing"? They acted like expendable henchmen instead of motivated terrorists with a cause.
OK I'm done nit picking now, promise.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
The unsullied entered through a perpendicular passageway and were then capped in the middle by the harpy. Couldn't they have backed out of the same passage they entered from and taken the fight out in the open?
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
seems like brothels are the worst place to go in westeros these days.
the faith militant are legit scary.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
they are only a background presence in the books -- i like them getting more attention in the show
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
idk why I watch this anymore tbh but I do appreciate them foregrounding religion more. for a show/series extrapolated from medieval history the prior lack of an explicit political role for religious institutions was a headscratcher. Ditto the economy although that's a little more understandable (no one wants to see a bunch of talking heads blathering about interest rates and trade agreements)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
no one wants to see a bunch of talking heads blathering about interest rates and trade agreements
if they were disembodied and set on spikes, sure, why not?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
lots has been made of the lannister's economic powers, and social classes, masters vs slaves, and etc. maybe finance is in the background, but economy is truly present in GoT.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
previous rulers on the show (robert, tywin) have made numerous offhand references to needing to keep religion in its place, robert couldn't care less and tywin was a secularist. it makes sense that with the war winding down and its refugees seeking solace in something/anything and blaming everyone but the gods for their probs, that religion would take a firmer hold.
it gives the show a chance to have some allegorical relevance that it has not necessarily had in the past, as does the mission-accomplishedesque occupation of meereen by daenerys
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
xp absolutely, by the third episode of the first season budget meetings are happening!
makes me think of my favorite tyrion line about money when tywin names him master of coin: "a lifetime of enormous wealth doesn't mean i've had success managing it!
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
Characters that’ve disappeared:
AnguyBalon GreyjoyBenjen StarkBeric DondarrionBrandon StarkBrotherhood Without BannersBrynden TullyEdmure TullyGendryHodorIlyn PayneMeera ReedOshaRickon StarkThorosYara Greyjoy
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
Balon died last season, did he not?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
balon greyjoy is still alive afaik, i would also be really surprised if we never saw the other greyjoys again
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, lundi 4 mai 2015 13:01 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
#occupykingslanding afaic
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
Brynden Tully whereabouts is the least excusable loose end imo
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
Tyrion singing through the gag was hilarious. His best moment of the series so far.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
I don't have the faintest clue how many Harpy people there are. I mean, did they just kill the majority of them?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
I wonder how many days it takes each cast member to shoot all of their scenes in a season. Like a week? Each actor probably has about 20 minutes of screen time total each year.
― Darin, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
Jaime and Bronn's task seems more impossible than it did before, I thought they were going to go openly and talk. It's a bit too crazy.
I'm really anxious about Varys. How is the poor guy coping with this?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
I hope they cut to him knocking on a bathroom stall door back at the brothel "you almost done, buddy? you alright?"
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
a guy with varys's weight could well have digestive issues its tru
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
I meant that he thought Tyrion was still pissing in one.
― Evan, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
I don't get how Cersei is summoning Littlefinger, and thus obviously knows where he is and what he is doing, and is therefore somehow cool with him having spirited Sansa away?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
nah i don't think she knows the extent of his plans. would also not put it past baelish to ignore her summons if he thought it was necessary
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
Jamie finally twigs that having a solid metal hand can be of some use in combat.
Intense episode, especially all of the swift, out-of-nowhere bad guy attacks. Though I would have expected Ser Lloras and his men to put up more of a fight.
Cersei stepping up and playing the game - using Tommon's ineffectual leadership to undermine Margery was a pretty good power play, though empowering a puritanical army to stamp out sinners is a preeetty risky strategy for her.
The Jon Snow/Melisandre scene was just weird. "I'm going to show you something", "not one of your visions", "nope" *whips out tits*
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 4 May 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
ha ha my wife fell asleep for a split second during this scene and woke up thoroughly confused.
― Darin, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
it's game of thrones, and boobs were exposed. seems pretty straight forward to me!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 4 May 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
economy of westeros is a murder + boobs-based economy
― Οὖτις, Monday, 4 May 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
jon snow if anyone needs 2 fuck its u
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
i mean u killed yr girl in tribal warfare its time to move on
^^^^real talk
― gbx, Monday, 4 May 2015 23:16 (nine years ago) link
Surely it's clear that Cersei doesn't know about Sansa?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link
ya its a secret
― lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
one wld think the word wld get back to her after the wedding tho
My brother thought that Littefinger's involvement in the marriage deal is a secret between him and the Bolton family even if the Lannisters know his basic whereabouts. But when everyone finds out that Sands is getting married who will they think handed her over?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 00:14 (nine years ago) link
Sorry Sansa, not Sands
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
where does cersei think sansa is? just on the run by herself?
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 00:19 (nine years ago) link
i mean u killed yr girl in tribal warfare
no he didn't
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 00:19 (nine years ago) link
whatever man idc
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 00:46 (nine years ago) link
I doubt that Cersei has thought out the consequences of her actions. She is gaining control over King's Landing at the cost of the city and whatever other areas it controls. Gutting her government's top ranks means that there are fewer qualified people in control. I doubt that giving power to a guy who can't control his own followers was a good idea.
Pretty convenient that the one guard she sent to Braavos was the one on Arya's list.
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 04:52 (nine years ago) link
queen Margaery is cute
― akm, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 05:09 (nine years ago) link
I thought that Cersei letting the Moral Majority tear up Littlefinger's brothels meant that she'd turned against him
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:14 (nine years ago) link
cersei doesn't know where lil pete is, in the episode before this bolton gave him a note that had been sent by raven to the eerie (where he's supposed to be) and had been brought to winterfell by a rider.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:44 (nine years ago) link
This thread might be the most unwieldy one on all of ILX. God help you if you want to load all messages to refer back to anything.
Also: This show is confusing!
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 12:55 (nine years ago) link
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I wonder why we didn't do a new thread for each season
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 13:06 (nine years ago) link
because we still haven't answered the question in the thread's title
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 13:16 (nine years ago) link
however, no spoilers please, so any answers to whether the show will be for nerds or not should be posted as an image with a completely black background with your text answer that is only slightly less black on top, so that the text is only visible when you tilt your laptop screen waaaaaaaaay back
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 13:18 (nine years ago) link
this show is for one particular nerd, who will be revealed in the final episode when his name is pulled out of a hat and he receives a bag of dragon bones
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 13:19 (nine years ago) link
will this show be just for nerd?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 13:24 (nine years ago) link
will this show be for one lucky nerd
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 13:30 (nine years ago) link
http://www.candywarehouse.com/assets/item/large/wonka-nerds-candy-book-131699-im.jpg
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 13:32 (nine years ago) link
Friend predicted this approx half a sec before it happened.
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
to be fair, it's not a particularly risky prediction in this show
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
In the books, the Unsullied were regularly dosed with some anaesthetic drink that dulled their ability to feel pain, but stopped imbibing once White Savior Lady freed them. Don't recall if the show mentioned this or not.
TBH not sure if either GW or Selmy are dead, we could just get a "Meanwhile..." cut to them recuperating next episode. (No spoilers or previews, this is pure speculation.)
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
season has been somewhat lackluster and wander-y thus far; perhaps we're building to something?
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
probably not
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
i think a lot of shit's about to pop off based on what happened in the last one!
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
dany is finally at a point where she has no choice but to fully commit to one course or the other, like either dig into meereen for good or give into some concessions and get ready to gtfo (insert arg. about she's been that way since last season etc etc etc).
considering how fast the faith militant began committing hideously violent reprisals on those they deemed "sinners," no way that doesn't get 1,000x worse.
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
(The above is a Listed Heritage Discussion, and is carried out at this time every year by trained Internet Re-enactors)
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
oh right, the people who torrented are back in real time with us now
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
wait wut
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
first four eps leaked
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
oh, lol nvm. already forgot about the whole leak thing bc i didnt watch them early
All the actors at the premiere kept hinting at a big shocker to come this season. I think maybe Cersei will be killed after the situation she has created gets out of control and Jaime will be left needing to choose a new life.
Sansa/Bolton related thing is probably the strongest bet though.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
I kept waiting for Bronn to ask Jaime to give him a hand in the row boat.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
My speculation is whatever plot that goes on w/ Sansa and the Boltons will be rudely interrupted by Stannis
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, May 5, 2015 2:11 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
They actually addressed this you know. Bronn was rowing and gave Jaime a look, Jaime responded by holding his arm up a little and shrugging.
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
it's been fairly clear this would happen since last season. in that tv way of somebody noticing a member of the opposite sex as signifier for sex scene coming soon.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
For a thread that spent so much time talking about terrible fluctuating accents awhile back I'm surprised we haven't discussed Obara Sand in the last ep (despite the other reasons that scene was pathetic).
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
the accents...bothered people? really?
*headdesks into another universe*
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
Obara accent pulled me out of the moment (again, among other things) so headdesk away in that case but yes, there was some discussion a few seasons back esp regarding Littlefinger's fluctuating accent. Us 'mericans aren't as sensitive to such things.
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
max wrote at least one extended gawker piece on the accents of this show that was rooted in this thread iirc
― Clay, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
Us 'mericans aren't as sensitive to such things.
Don't think that's the case -- I think if Westeros was supposed to be like "early America" and characters talked like they were from Texas in one episode and then like they were from Philly in another, it would be jarring to us
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
i think re: littlefinger producers may have initially asked him to do a more posh english accent and were eventually like "oh fuck it" and he's stuck with the thick brogue ever since
alternate theory that may be jumping through hoops to explain something: littlefinger is from a very poor shitty provincial area called the fingers. i imagine their accents are thick (ppl will note that the northerners have thicker irish, scottish or northern english accents whereas king's landing folk don't aside from the poor people in flea bottom). when he's in king's landing he has to fake being an aristocrat, as indeed he's done his whole life. since he doesnt really have to do that anymore perhaps he is talking in his natural accent
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
The accents don't really bother me either -- they just code as some variant of BBC costume drama
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, May 5, 2015 3:50 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah I meant we aren't as sensitive to these particular accents. Not that we aren't sensitive to accent fluctuations in general.
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
― Clay, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
gawker dudes, wtf is wrong with you?!!
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
classic gawkdudes
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
article is p entertaining for what it is, however it ends with something that drives me utterly batshit:
Well, first of all, I care. Second of all, the cornerstone of science fiction and fantasy fandom is nitpicking.
the first of all part is fine. thats subjective. but i've often wondered why exactly this is always the case, and it's what keeps me away from a fair amount of hard genre stuff
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
onion knight accent has started to infiltrate my inner monologue
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
xp to self - why the 2nd part is the case, that is
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
liam cunningham is a great actor (hunger!) with a world champion voice
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
This episode kinda went overboard on scenes when one character asks another a question, and they answer "hmm, let me tell you an anecdote that reveals an essential piece of history in two minutes flat", but otherwise I enjoyed it. Some excellent thinning out of fiftieth-wheel characters at the end.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
forced exposition is the worst
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
This season is starting to feel like that new Blur album tbh.
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
at what point does the Blur album expose itself to you as part of a plot to get you to follow a gruff king
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, May 5, 2015 3:50 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is a good idea
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-the-tale-of-brave-ser-barristan-the-faith-militant-and-the-fighting-harpies/reasonable explanations for some of the things that have inspired the most dedicated nitpicking. not that i expect it to slow anyone down.
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
when anyone nickpicks at this show im just like "wut i dont even remember the thing youre talking about i watched all four leaked episodes in one sitting a month ago"
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
haha, pretty reasonable approach
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
the good thing abt binge watching is u dont remember anything/have to argue online
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
just let the content wash over u like a wave and emerge purified
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
do u remember boobs tho
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
the show is mostly a montage of boobs iirc
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
Esp. useful for arguing about The Wire.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
yeah by the fourth episode in a row i can't separate the characters from various faces on tinder
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 22:11 (nine years ago) link
I just watched ep4 then switched over and Gogglebox was watching it'take your minge and MOVE!'better than this thread tbh no offence
― kinder, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
I've stopped being able to pay attention to the dialogue on this show?
― 龜, Saturday, 9 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
It's a tragedy
Sons of the Harpy appear to have one weird trick that lets them slide behind anyone and slit their throat. Why don't all the fighters in this show use that one weird trick
― 龜, Saturday, 9 May 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
westerosi conquerors hate this one weird trick
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 9 May 2015 21:07 (nine years ago) link
Those unsullied were quite disappointing and made them look good imo. Apart from grey worm of course, they were a shower of shite that capitulated way too easily.
― xelab, Saturday, 9 May 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
unsullied aren't exactly trained for urban alley knife fights. they're siege-oriented spear dudes. harpy dudes are just expertly exploiting an obvious weakness.
― Clay, Saturday, 9 May 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link
i disagree with that, the unsullied are basically the most elite and exclusive mercenary fighting force across all of the several continents that have been introduced so far in this show, they have been trained since they were toddlers to be the most badass of all badass mercenary fighters and the idea that they might be bamboozled by fighting masked vigilantes in slightly closer quarters than they are used to is akin to suggesting that the world champions of any given sport could be beaten by a pub team provided the chosen field of combat/competition was suitable and lol wgaf clearly i am a total nerd for even remotely caring about this shit given that we now live in a world where tv spoils things for books jesus christ
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 9 May 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link
idk the world's most mighty military forces irl have failed to control plenty of incredibly underarmed and untrained regional armies in situations like afghanistan & vietnam et al., and grrm is certainly using dany's storyline to speak to the problems with outside forces ruling & the insurgency against the leaders inherent in that situation so it's easy for me to gloss over thematically
― Clay, Saturday, 9 May 2015 23:55 (nine years ago) link
sons of the harpy have had time to develop some solid metalworking skills for those masks so it seems fair that they'd have time to get decent at killing too, at least decent enough for five-on-one close quarters encounters
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 9 May 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link
I think people who complain about the unsullied rolling over have seen too many movies/TV shows where a few of the good guys outshoot/outfight dozens of baddies.
― nickn, Sunday, 10 May 2015 00:45 (nine years ago) link
strength in numbers is actually kind of a running thing in the novels fwiw
― Clay, Sunday, 10 May 2015 00:50 (nine years ago) link
i've wondered if they could track down the harpies by just grilling anyone capable of making those masks in the area. and by grilling, i mean torture.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 10 May 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
And by grilling, I mean grilling.
― nickn, Sunday, 10 May 2015 01:18 (nine years ago) link
I think the problem with the unsullied & harpies fight was the set. It was supposed to be a narrow alley but the set was obviously not that narrow.
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Sunday, 10 May 2015 11:32 (nine years ago) link
the hypothesis of some (incl. jason concepcion/netw3rk in a recent article) is that a fair amount of the unsullied are fighting pit dudes who are out of work. bc I higly doubt they're just masked rich people
― slothroprhymes, Sunday, 10 May 2015 12:51 (nine years ago) link
like the unsullied, fighting pit slaves are trained all their lives to be what they are. and not to fight in an orderly elite fashion but to be vicious/relentless
― slothroprhymes, Sunday, 10 May 2015 12:53 (nine years ago) link
We're all overthinking it a bit. In my opinion it is poor editing and/or choreography.
Goals:-Portray the unsullied being overwhelmed and defeated: check.-Show Grey Worm fighting competently as he is a main character: check.
They likely weren't thinking of any character dynamics beyond that. They achieved what they thought the scene was meant to convey.
― Evan, Sunday, 10 May 2015 13:27 (nine years ago) link
Kind of like how "plot armor" protects characters in unlikely situations, this is the opposite. They overemphasized the fact that the unsullied get killed in the scene for the purpose of the plot and failed to better represent their character attributes as bad ass fighters.
― Evan, Sunday, 10 May 2015 13:33 (nine years ago) link
it wldve been cooler if when she ran into the kennel masters daughter sansa was just all "oh hey miranda"
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 05:54 (nine years ago) link
Pretty good episode. No idea where these threads are going now.
Did the message to Sansa to light a candle come from Brienne, or from other Stark supporters? Or was it another boring Ramsay trick?
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Monday, 11 May 2015 06:23 (nine years ago) link
Other Stark supporters or boring Ramsay trick ~we don't know~
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 11 May 2015 06:54 (nine years ago) link
the sequence of the episode implied it was the message from brienne.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 11 May 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link
it was probably Bran remote warging some peasants
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 11 May 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
Makes sense- old people are more likely to fall for those scams. Bran calls and gets them to download TeamViewer and that's that.
― Evan, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
this ep - aside from its lack of cersei - was as good as last week, arguably better in some respects imo
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
the valyria stuff was great
stannis is so interesting to me. he seems like a total prick but he has this well of kindness in him, i am enjoying the scenes with him more and more
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 May 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
Agreed, Stannis has come to be one of the most interesting characters on the show IMO.
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 11 May 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
Thinking Stannis might die soon, given they made a point to show Davos cautioning him to wait until Jon provides reinforcement, combined with the scene establishing Roose and Ramsay's confidence and expectation of Stannis's attack, and lastly the vibe in that scene with Jon watching Stannis ride away with his army seemed purposefully mournful and heavy.
― Evan, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
nah i hope that roose & ramsay get creamed
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 May 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
which means he's as good as dead, imho.
xpost lol!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 May 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
wld make sense theyre preparing to kill him considering his recent turn towards sympathy
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
u guys are buzzkills :(
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 May 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
sry its too easy everyone wants the boltons to go down its not gonna happen
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
honestly think jaime has less chance at survival but who knows
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
house of lannister def teetering at the brink
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
My wife was saying Stannis' character was more than just a buzzkill stoic in the books than he's been presented thus far and this season is trying to change that perception a bit.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 May 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
he has a more subtle mind than the rest of these yahoos tell u that much
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
In terms of the game of thrones, yes. In terms of the larger story, I doubt it. Cersei, Jaime, and the Imp aren't done anytime soon, I'd reckon. Cersei's Frankenmountain isn't even running yet.
They will. They're regional meanies at best and they will suffer and it will be enjoyable, but their suffering will come at some horrifying monkey's paw-like cost a la Joffrey imo
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
feel like cersei is way over playing her hand, alienating potential allies, setting herself up for a fall, if she and her son-king go down its over for the house they have no money, jamie and tyrion are out in the wilderness
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
comes back to how tywin was saying shes not as smart as she thinks and is too impulsive
stannis seems like a good guy who's been hardened by rough shit, hence the odd relation to jon snow where he seems to respect and admire him for the same qualities that he thinks make him a foolhardy chump.
ramsay is the worst, i don't think i'll be able to see that actor in anything else without immediately thinking of him as an utter douchebag.
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Monday, 11 May 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
how about as an indie folksinger (which he is)
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
I thought this was going to be a real cost-cutting episode - apart from one brief bit of cg dragon, it was just lots of gloomy interiors. Then came the scene on the boat.
"Long sullen silences and the occasional punch in the face."
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 11 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
xp jesus what a douchebag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv_nBEgwCaw
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Monday, 11 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
yet another diabolic torture method
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Monday, 11 May 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
I think she's playing her (currently poor) hand very well. She's allied herself with the a malevolent religious army, will eventually be protected by a great warrior monster, and has a bitchin castle built on top of a gold mine.
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
if her castle is on top of a gold mine, why are they borrowing so much money from their allies and Braavos?
― DJP, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
the gold mine is empty yo! and shes got on her side is some unstable otherwise powerless religious extremists, those scheming ass tyrells gonna eat her for lunch
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
^^^ lagoon jumps straight to the point
― DJP, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
thrones arguing better than most currently prominent fictional works why aligning yourself closely with any religion generally leads to things not being a good time
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
like instead of building alliances amongst the small council she just sent them all away, shes hella arrogant, noones gonna stand with her
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
Is the gold mine really empty? I thought it was just almost empty.
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
The crown's debt is the Tyrells' problem now imo.
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
iirc its empty tywin told cersei last season
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
it's empty and has been for some time, which may have been tywin's only weakness (aside from not understanding that his dwarf son was his only decent thing) - he was always scrambling to make alliances and keep the lannister financial instability hidden
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
I guess my point is that when winter comes having a bunch of cash won't matter that much.
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
yup youd rather have food like the tyrells
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link
having stuff is only important if you have the ability to defend it.
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
secretly hoping that cersei ends up getting hers stark style, i.e. immediately after watching what she assumes is her last living child get murdered by somebody insignificant like frey
that would be p sweet
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 11 May 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
sounds abt right
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
i love cersei and hope she stays with us forever but it doesnt look good for her
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
fanning the flames of religious extremist assassins is probably a bad look for an incestuous drunk slut
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 May 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
they're already challenging the legitimacy of her son!
― Mordy, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
really enjoyed this ep - agree with everyone saying stannis is a lot more likeable this year.
btw is jorah's arm the same condition that stannis's daughter has?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 May 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 11 May 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
i call it castle-face
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 May 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link
jorah got no luck
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
gonna get back dany's good graces for a little while before being banished again
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Monday, 11 May 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
feel like they haven't talked much about this, though iirc gilly said something about her sisters having it?
stannis's grammar frustration was a great moment - they are definitely pushing quite hard to make him more charismatic this season.
xpost jorah prob thinking: "what if she likes stone men? she doesn't, that's ridiculous. but what if she does?"
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 May 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
btw sansa's outfit looks like a homemade morticia adams halloween costume
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 May 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
what is that giant 80's belt buckle she is wearing around her neck all the time
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
Interesting to see that Roose is a fucking psycho. He always seemed more dispassionate than sick.
Ramsay is such a great looking guy.
Jon Snow itching to tell that boy that he killed his girlfriend Ygritte?
I presume being touched by stone men on your clothes is okay. From the debate I've seen, apparently Jorah is already able to infect other people. Hope they were wrong. Even in a cruel fantasy world I like some little bit of fairness and fighting chances.
I do prefer it when you get episodes focusing more time on less characters.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 01:36 (nine years ago) link
what is that giant 80's belt buckle she is wearing around her neck all the time― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl)
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 01:39 (nine years ago) link
I have to figure the only reason Jorah isn't chopping off his own arm is that he needs it for the trip ahead
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 01:49 (nine years ago) link
I feel like this is the first Ramsey episode in awhile where he wasn't chewing food and talking at the same time
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 01:50 (nine years ago) link
I'm not sure why Stannis did nothing while Jon decided to let the wildlings loose -- didn't he just kill their leader for wanting to do that? Won't they want his head?
good episode btw
― poxy fülvous (abanana), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link
stannis is like whatever im so outta here
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 02:25 (nine years ago) link
here u cn use my navy
I enjoyed the parallel between this week's Roose Bolton father son moment and last week's Stannis father daughter moment
― silverfish, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 03:46 (nine years ago) link
So what's next weeks touching father moment?!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link
littlefinger & his illegitimate preteen daughter
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 04:29 (nine years ago) link
sry
Fewer.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 04:48 (nine years ago) link
loool
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 05:02 (nine years ago) link
<3 Stannis's grammar pedantry.
The scenes in the ruined city were amazing.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 09:15 (nine years ago) link
It was funny watching this directly after the latest Mad Men where Don corrected a kid on his bad grammar a couple of times.
― tayto fan (Michael B), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 09:38 (nine years ago) link
So the episode's title, Kill the Boy, is Westeros' equivalent saying for 'man up'?.
The director could have filmed the naked actress from a more flattering angle, rather than from the one where her you see hip bone jutting out. And setting up another jealous lover storyline, involving Sansa in the middle of it, just feels really blah. So, I hope they are not just doing that.Though I did like Sansa's Silence of the Lambs walk down into the kennels.
Sam and Gilly bore me.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 10:35 (nine years ago) link
I don't think it was unflattering. Nothing wrong with a bit of jutting hipbone.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 10:43 (nine years ago) link
The director could've also said 'Winterfell looks really fucking cold so no I don't think she would've just been looking out of the window nude however unhinged she's meant to be'.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 10:45 (nine years ago) link
might've had the central heating up full blast
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 10:54 (nine years ago) link
Basking in the heat from Roose and Walda's own vigorous lovemaking next door.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 10:56 (nine years ago) link
I've always been curious about how they cast the Frey women and the girl Theon slept with on the boat. The Frey women are always regarded as ugly by other characters and Theon told the girl not to smile because he didn't like her teeth.
Also in Mad Men when Megan says some people disliked her teeth. How did they bring that up with the actress?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:08 (nine years ago) link
Part of the job to suck shit like that up I guess. Sure Jessica Pare knows she's extremely attractive despite the teeth.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:13 (nine years ago) link
But Don Draper and some ilx people love her teeth.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:42 (nine years ago) link
Also, in the case of Jessica Pare it seems like the Mad Men scene about the teeth was based on the appearance of the actress and not that they had a casting prerequisite for someone who had teeth not everyone would like.
For the Frey women I wonder if it was as simple as "we're looking for unattractive women"?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:51 (nine years ago) link
Some of them probably perfectly attractive IRL.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:52 (nine years ago) link
she did seem to have a particularly prominent hipbone. maybe it was just the shot.
looking forward to a thrilling climax at meereen as daenerys gets a mortgage.
xpost i've always wondered how people cast that kind of thing - i guess after a while "yeah i can do ugly" just becomes part of your actor's cv.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:53 (nine years ago) link
people probably failed an audition for those parts and agonised about not being ugly enough or being ugly but not "interesting ugly"
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:52
Yeah, I have to be told by the plot that they're supposed to be ugly.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAttractiveness
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
Hannah Murray, who plays Gilly, who SNL made fun of a few weeks back for being unatractive, lights up the screen as a teenage girl in Jeppe Rønde's Bridgend.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:16 (nine years ago) link
Also, the discussion reminds me of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdQyofgKSx0
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:18 (nine years ago) link
she was also one of the main characters in the Belle and Sebastian twee epic God Help the Girl, in which she was convincingly cute, although no amount of CGI could possibly fix her horrendous singing
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:38 (nine years ago) link
She's Cassie in Skins!
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:40 (nine years ago) link
shhh don't tell the GoT producers, they think they cast someone ugly
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:41 (nine years ago) link
Also played a hot but screwed-up teenager in Skins.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
hollywood ugly just another form of beautiful
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
seems unfair discussing hannah murray where nakhchivan won't see it. just start a thread w/ an oblique title about her. he'll be trapped there like a jurassic mosquito in amber.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:44 (nine years ago) link
Back when I wasn't really committed to Game Of Thrones I was watching it for Hannah Murray. Also,I might regret saying this but the first time I seen her in Skins, I cried because she's so beautiful (not joking at all, I also cried watching Debora Caprioglio).
What's Nakhchivan said about her?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 12:49 (nine years ago) link
had no idea this was the same actress :o
surely someone who was in As If is now in GoT but WHO - the blonde brothel dude perhaps
― nashwan, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 13:14 (nine years ago) link
Haven't noticed anyone from As If, but there is another Skins alumni (Gendry) and a couple from Hollyoaks (Missandei and that handmaiden who got locked in the vault).
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 13:29 (nine years ago) link
Plus Hizdahr is one of the ones from Plebs, isn't he?
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
pip mugged mark corrigan in peep show.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
I think Grenn was in Hollyoaks too actually.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
Bronn of the Blackwater prevented Britpop from gaining chart dominance and is one half of the NXT tag team champions
Don't know if the Stannis guy ever gets involved in those 2:28 long Youtube interviews with bottom-tier entertainment websites where they ask what's in store for us in the upcoming season and get told "I can't tell you, I'll get shot ha ha you'll have to wait and see", but if he does, he should do them entirely in character
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
didn't realise stannis had got shirty about less/fewer before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFAnMzA5YCU
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:42 (nine years ago) link
aha. i'd expect no less from someone known for his 'literate' indie rock
http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo1ni6rEp01qzg8t0o1_500.jpg
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
still kind of a dick move considering that Davos just learned how to read, probably isn't going to encourage him to become an English professor
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
i had that public enemy shirt in jr high
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
PF bears a striking resemblance to Maury Povich right there
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link
stannis... you are... .... .... not the father of dragons!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 00:17 (nine years ago) link
has there been any explanation of what the brotherhood without banners are doing? you'd think a gang of immortal magic-wielding rebels would be able to have some kind of impact on things
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 14 May 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
I really doubt the show will pick up that narrative again, considering how things are going
― Clay, Thursday, 14 May 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
unless it goes off book I guess.. the producers said theyre not going there with the plot line I cant mention without spoiling shit, so yeah. =\
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 15 May 2015 00:19 (nine years ago) link
good episode marred by a predictable brutal and unnecessarily mean spirited ending imo
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 05:12 (nine years ago) link
i haven't read the books; but from what i'm to understand, what we saw was the cute n cuddly version.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 May 2015 05:31 (nine years ago) link
oh, i'm sure grmm had a fucking panoply of atrocities in print but i had been appreciating the cessation of "here's your rape for the episode" plotting while it lasted
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 05:41 (nine years ago) link
yeah that was fkn awful, without showing anything at all
really just want ramsay to die horribly v v soon
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 05:49 (nine years ago) link
I can't think of any good reason not to have Theon run Ramsay through just as it was about to happen.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 18 May 2015 06:05 (nine years ago) link
welp
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 18 May 2015 06:25 (nine years ago) link
I mean, I can think of one scenario that rationalizes staging that scene the way they did, but that's a far cry from justifies.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 18 May 2015 06:27 (nine years ago) link
def had a "why the fuck am i watching this" moment after that was over
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 18 May 2015 06:34 (nine years ago) link
yeah i was glad to switch to mad men
i dunno how i feel about it still. i hate that it even has to be a plot point in some ways, like fuck you all these creeps
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 06:49 (nine years ago) link
Jorah Mormont is Don Draper, basically
― polyphonic, Monday, 18 May 2015 06:55 (nine years ago) link
i haven't read the books; but from what i'm to understand, what we saw was the cute n cuddly version. --AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall)
that is a fairly accurate description of the differences, although I had been dreading this scene all season regardless and it was still pleeeeenty disturbing
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 13:14 (nine years ago) link
well, we certainly needed that scene otherwise we might think Ramsey was a good guy
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 18 May 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link
he will likely have to die soon, and Sansa will be carrying his child (haven't read the books, purely speculation)
damn, those Arya scenes were poorly lit. I have no idea what she saw in that temple
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 18 May 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
for real? i thought that was the thing that worked best. she saw many faces.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 18 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
Ha, are you implying that entire scene was almost completely dark for you? I think you need to adjust your TV!
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
like heads in little alcoves.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
it was very very dark for me too tbh
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
ramsay seems bad
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
i keep wondering where he falls on the scale of evil, compared to joffrey. ramsay seems even crueler, somehow, to the poor souls he's able to interact with, but joffrey was almost as cruel in that way, and also had the opportunity to inflict misery on many more people than ramsay ever did.
i give them both a 9.9 out of 10.0, and i'm holding off on 10.0 because it's important to leave room to grow
― Karl Malone, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
camera pulls back further from theon weeping as he watches sansa being brutalized to reveal grrmartin watching the whole scene lasciviouslycamera pulls back further to center on hbo executives watching everything, laughing maniacally, counting sweet sweet hbo go moneycamera pulls back further to center on a massive television viewing audience conferring the patina of acceptance, posting thinkpieces on salon, dressing up as Jon Snow for halloweencamera pulls back further to god on a cloud with a flatscreen tv watching it all with an osamathumbsup.gifthat.... that is your TRUE EVIL*drops mic, goes back to torrenting*
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
that hall of faces was incredible, big ups to the designers of that
and it reminded me of this :D
https://36.media.tumblr.com/cc1712becf65270b464e9c03f1fcaa3f/tumblr_naw3joYhUz1qe5sl0o1_500.jpg
http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr06/10/16/anigif_original-grid-image-3429-1394484738-14.gif
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
what is that?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
sorry: Return to Oz
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
yknow the beloved cinematic classic that no-one saw lol
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 18 May 2015 06:34 (11 hours ago)
― tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 18 May 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
its cause youre a sick twisted maniac who cant stop playing the game of throne
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
can't something good happen to someone - like i dunno jaime's hand grows back or cersei meets an old college friend?
whole ep was just bad things happening and then here's a rape with a neutered tortured man forced to watch.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
why are fictional depictions of sexual assault so much more difficult to watch than depictions of murder
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
maybe cos they're less prevalent?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah was thinking theres desensitization at work but im open to other theories too
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
bcz murder is cool i guess idk
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
cos we've all felt at some point "i'm so mad i could kill him/her"
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
but only on rare occasions would we get angry enough to want to assault someone sexually, eg christmas with relatives
feel like murder in fiction is rarely really murder its more usually a stand in for domination / power, idk if thats an essential thing or just a convention or what
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, May 18, 2015 2:33 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
But when Jaime had two hands he was an evil Disney prince.
But yeah the episode was pretty dark and hopeless feeling.
Jaime and Bronn sneaking around the Dorne gardens was cartoonish. Having them immediately locate his daughter/niece made the already small set feel smaller and any tension was lost as well. Then, to top it all off we get the horrible everything of the sand snakes showing up at the same time:
http://i.imgur.com/UPcmC7b.gif
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
i guess killing and murder and death are kind of cornerstones for drama. rape is not a plot device in the same way, if you go back to your shakespeare or whatever there's killing everywhere but rape tends to be deployed to characterise someone as a true villain, relative to murderers.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
So far everything about Dorne not named Oberyn has been goofy as all hell.Is it me or did Elaria Sand's accent grow even more outrageous this season from last?
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
Yeah Dorne seems like a v silly Aladdin sidebar
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
new adventures of hercules imo
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
Also that was probably the single worst fight they've ever staged, and this comes after the ridiculous Sons of the Harpy ambush.
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
Jaime and Bronn sneaking around the Dorne gardens was cartoonish
for what was painted as a suicidal mission it was sure going pretty smoothly, they just wandered in and had the bad fortune that the sand snakes were also there doing... whatever they were doing. bronn singing was a nice bit of fan service for we robson & jerome fans tho.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:09 (nine years ago) link
Also that was probably the single worst fight they've ever staged
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, May 18, 2015 3:06 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Again:
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
no I've left it up in my browser since you posted it - really, really bad
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
i agree, that was a stunningly dumb fight, poorly staged and occasionally nonsensical blocking and some clumsy editing in a desperate attempt to make up for it.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
sigh are we really nitpicking fight scenes again
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
"nitpicking"
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
r we karate chopping fight scenes again
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
Maybe I've seen too many good fight scenes lately and this is pennance
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
that fight scene was shitty is all
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
i think the problem is that the show is showing its seems more often this season than ever before. maybe this means they blew their budget on the second half of the season? i hope so!
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
seams, christ!
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
like the only reason why that gif exists is bc someone took the time to pause it and capture it with the intention of being like, "see? SEE?!!! I SHOWED YOU, THRONES GUYS!" like what a brave truth-to-power stance against HBO gif-maker-person has made by isolating a shot that i and many ppl prob barely noticed!
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
I hardly think so. I was watching it last night and caught that sloppy shit.
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
We're mourning the inclusion of Xena: Warrior Princess meetings Ninja Turtles characters/acting/choreography invading our beloved and refreshingly gritty fantasy epic.
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
But I liked the Jorah/Tyrion scene. Made me miss old man Mormont. That dude was solid.
tbf it was not a great scene of action but i only really am thinking that upon rewatching, when the moment played for the first time the story situation was of greater import to me - which, for me, is the ultimate barometer for this sort of stuff
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
Well again, had I not read the books I would have no real understanding of who the hell the sand snakes are and why they just popped up at that moment. The development of Dorne as a land has been a lot of shorthand, very choppy.
― SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
that collection of girl ninjas are all pretty uninteresting and their last scene on the show was similarly badly blocked and played.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
that i would agree with, the dorne part - like it's established who they are sort of, but in brief scenes one of which was very basil expositionish, as ppl pointed out
i liked areo hotah getting a baller moment against jaime tho
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
totes shit blocking 100%
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
The whole Sand Snakes narrative is terribly acted and written, and a silly gif of awkward larping kind of sums the entire thing up.
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
Speaking of Dorne: in the opening credits the little snake climbing up the pole looks so corny and bad. Even worse than the Titan of Braavos.
― polyphonic, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
alexander siddig (great brit charactor actor, what a surprise) has been effective in his brief scenes as doran, but they are really brief.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
Dorne would even benefit from a nice shot of the city, right now it feels like the whole thing is being shot in the courtyard of a nursing home.
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
Sand Snakes seem like some toy company's attempt to introduce new action figures through the show
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
after the 2nd sand snakes scene i agree with crits of the acting, but the writing is literally no different than any other self serious character on the show, of which there are many
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
New display name, thanks
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
More Siddig would be a major help. Most of the Dorne chapters are just his musings anyhow, seems like there's a lot to pull from.
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
Well again, had I not read the books I would have no real understanding of who the hell the sand snakes are and why they just popped up at that moment.
Wasn't it just last week that they had that long scene with the Sand Snakes getting a pep talk about swooping down on Myrcella and killing her in repayment for Oberon's death?
― DJP, Monday, 18 May 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
Maybe - I may have been distracted with a lot of 'what the hell did she just say' or 'why is she talking like that' etc. I guess with a show this big one scene per storyline is all you're gonna get. I just thought it was sketchy.
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
Awkward Larping would be a really cool band name, if it wasn't so geeky
― Frederik B, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
its redundant
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
Wait why wasn't Areo Hotah surprised to see Jaime Lannister? I'm just realizing he didn't seem phased at all by this.
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
He's ready for anything.
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
areo hotah is a superchill norvoshi warrior dude, basically as close as you get to having unsullied levels of cool calm collected w/o being enslaved, mentally broken and castrated
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
is that the secret to being stress free and confident?
― Evan, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
uh no, grey worm does not seem to be having a good time and not just bc of the stab wounds currently healing, missandei showing up for comfort prob only does so much.
even before that he seemed depressed a lot
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
wld be cool if grey worm turned out to have a hot throbbing peen
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
SURPRISE
tbf i dont think he's said for that reason even, just generally glum, it probably really sucks in meereen and everywhere else in slaver's bay
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
*sad
on the plus side, adewale akinnuoye-agbaje is back home at HBO. hope he and his merry band of slavers get a spinoff.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 18 May 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
"The dwarf will live until we find a suitable cockmerchant."
― nashwan, Monday, 18 May 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
looking forward to us following their saga as they reject dozens of unsuitable cockmerchants
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 18 May 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure it won't take long if they're headed for Volantis's famed cockdistrict.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link
just ask a local cockfarmer
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:08 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, love Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje. Great to see him in anything. Still wondering when his autobio movie will be out. Maybe if he gets his Black Panther(Marvel) role.
Wow, Theon looked great in those clothes!
Thought either Theon would stop Ramsay, Sansa would slip out a dagger or signal somebody outside. Maybe there's still time?
Please Varys turn up soon and save someone somehow. Or Osha, or Gendry.
I know the characters acknowledge that Bronn and Jaime's trip is an extremely difficult one but it just seems a bit too daft that they're counting on stealthily stealing her. Was this not planned as a more diplomatic meeting that might get rough?
Seemed like way more comedy slipping in this episode.
Some decent music in the episode. I usually don't take much notice of it.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:22 (nine years ago) link
Starting to think Littlefinger and maybe Olenna are orchestrating Cersei's death. Probably keeping in mind her "power is power" threat to him. I was sure for so long that he loved Sansa but now I'm not so sure, because she doesn't seem that safe from either Ramsay or the wars that will break out.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:29 (nine years ago) link
i have little sense of littlefinger's long term plan here but maybe he just enjoys duplicity for its own sake
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:40 (nine years ago) link
This is prob the worst ep of the show so far
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:40 (nine years ago) link
The past 3 have been so boring
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:41 (nine years ago) link
It did feel pretty creaky a few scenes but I think it's getting pretty good.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:53 (nine years ago) link
cerseis situation is p dicey and fascinating, kings landing politics are always the best part of the show
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 01:54 (nine years ago) link
dunno what littlefinger is up to seems like if cersei has offered him the north upon receipt of sansas head thats a p good incentive for him to do it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 01:56 (nine years ago) link
cersei fucking over the tyrells good lord what is she thinking!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
maybe littlefinger will go to them looking for a better offer
Clearly she is not. #disappointeddeaddad
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 05:18 (nine years ago) link
I've been trying to give this season the benefit of the doubt, but it's really not as good is it? Even the better storylines lack the same heft as before, and the Dorne stuff is a joke pretty much. Hopefully they'll bring it round for the home stretch.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 08:41 (nine years ago) link
May have to tolerate the horrific Sansa plotline as the idea of Winterfell being simultaneously besieged by Stannis Kru, the supposed hardmen of the Vale and Team Yara plus Brienne is just about tantalising enough. If at least half a dozen major characters die in the finale it'll be worth it.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 09:32 (nine years ago) link
Also team Dany and Tyrion will hopefully be good.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 09:34 (nine years ago) link
They must have a problem because by this point the books are all ramble and colour and very little plot, so they've had to firm up the bits of plot and change an awul lot to try to construct something with narrative thrust.
― Unsettled defender (ithappens), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 10:34 (nine years ago) link
i really hate the dorne stuff! sand snakes are really bad and grating (and the fight choreography is not helping) and meanwhile alexander siddig has... nothing to do. chap and ithappens otm. was hoping that theyd be able to rescue post-storm of swords asoiaf but im not sure they are
― max, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 11:19 (nine years ago) link
The general aimlessness of the last two books were somewhat redeemed by some nuanced political scheming and power balancing which they seem to have more or less eschewed here.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 11:33 (nine years ago) link
Also Crows in particular has some compelling portraits of how the war has affected the small folk, none of which is evident this season. Though they did touch on that a bit in s4.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 11:35 (nine years ago) link
If I were just tuning in this season I would be pretty confused about why this show is supposed to be any good. It's a tremendous fall-off, not just in terms of plotting—everything outside King's Landing looks so cheap.
It seems like in seasons past they've been able to take two characters on the road together w/ some humor & pathos (Arya/Hound, Brienne/Jaime, Bran/Hodor+, Samwell/Gilly etc) but the Jaime/Bronn stuff has this cardboard lazy Hope-Crosby feel (Like when they lift up their snake masks? "Uh-oh, look what we've gotten ourselves into now!") Even the Tyrion/Jorah scenes seem sort of aimless.
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 12:11 (nine years ago) link
the sprawl of the show kind of sucks. It was at its best in ssn 2/3 when Tyrion was playing against a whole bunch of characters in King's Landing
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 12:26 (nine years ago) link
yeah and I get that there's a need for a certain amount of exposition because of that sprawl but they're halfway through the season already and no real momentum
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 12:32 (nine years ago) link
i was fairly critical of it upthread but i thought the most recent ep had a bit more sense of momentum, at least a battle is on the way.
btw was that stuff with arya meant to imply that "becoming someone else" equals becoming an assassin as per her introduction to these guys? whereas "becoming no one" was some other process?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 12:34 (nine years ago) link
everything outside King's Landing looks so cheap
Only applies to the Dorne stuff really - the recent shots for the crumbling stoneface ruins were superb. I want to live in whatever countryside Tyrion and Jorah were travelling through.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 13:07 (nine years ago) link
Jamie and Bronn's plan was up there with Luke's idea of rescuing Han in Return of the Jedi - 'yea, let's just stroll right up there in broad daylight and see what happens - o snap, we've been caught :/'
Apparently they are way 'off book' with this series, and it looks as if generating their own new plot ideas isn't their strongest suite. In fact, the writing in this was pretty cynical and lazy, imo.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 13:15 (nine years ago) link
i'm finding the arya stuff utterly interminable, which she is too so hey maybe it's a very very clever way of attuning the viewer to her experience.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link
Nah the Arya bits are cool, really atmospheric.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link
i do also have the problem that on my laptop screen it just looks like a bunch of vaguely defined figures moving around in pitch darkness
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:04 (nine years ago) link
this was definitely the weakest episode of the season and one of the weaker installments overall, although i really liked the tyrion, cersei and arya scenes. also ADEBISI LIVES
that said i've really enjoyed this season, mostly bc i've stopped caring overmuch about where it all ends up, being overly concerned with "sticking the landing" or w/e is one of the biggest problems w/ how we (royal we) watch serialized television imo
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
well, bronn did say "this song is all about the ending," so maybe they're acknowledging the place holding going on this season.
― ryan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
Arya scenes are a little cliche Karate Kid though right? Instructor fucks with student via vague "tests" and pranks, then whether it is clear or not suddenly the student is ready for the next phase of mild psychological abuse etc. repeat until they become an amazing ninja assassin.
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
the authoritative ratings from the world's #1 expert who still can't remember the names of major characterstyrion scenes: Aarya scenes: A-kings landing scenes: Athe wall/north of the wall/winter is coming: B+stannis/bolten/winterfell: Bdaenerys: D-dorne: F (oberyn was A+)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
dorne is so badthe casting was done in the parking lot behind tj maxx
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
xxp would not surprise me at all if karate kid was a semi-inspiration for that, after all GRRM has said a zillion times that oberyn martell is...was (sob)...more or less inigo montoya
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
mostly agree with you karl although i remain a daenerys partisan and am only now starting to feel the feet dragging with those scenes (as seems to be true of many surrounding her!), i did not mind that stuff in seasons 3 and 4
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
Doesn't help that Obara's "tough face" is the same one I see 6 year olds make when they're dressed up like little super heroes.
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlL56OCPEaw
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
i want to enjoy the daenerys stuff, but the acting is pretty bad and the set design and look and feel of it just seems very 2nd unit-y
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
Wonder if that guy has given up on Arya being a full fledged nobody and realised that she won't let go of the past, but will train her in a limited way so he wasn't completely wasting his time on her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
netw3rk's weekly explainer/context-giver for watchers who are not book readers http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-sansas-horrific-wedding-the-bolton-stark-alliance-and-the-sand-snakes/
this part in particular made me lol/is how i want to answer a lot of nitpicky shit about the show:
Michael asks, “Is there any canon explanation for why there seems to have been like no technological advancement in the world of GoT for the past 8,000 years or so? I mean, I know the doom of Valyria set things back a bit, but 8,000 years and they haven’t invented the steam engine, discovered electricity, or anything?”This hasn’t been dealt with directly but (as with everything else) there are numerous fan theories, some of which are quite involved, none of which are really worth talking about, because the answer is, “That’s the genre.”
This hasn’t been dealt with directly but (as with everything else) there are numerous fan theories, some of which are quite involved, none of which are really worth talking about, because the answer is, “That’s the genre.”
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
We've never seen anyone even wearing spectacles or the equivalent have we? Qyburn maybe, or another Maester as they are supposed to be tech gatekeepers as much as anything. But maybe there's just enough 'magic' and fear of eerie powers apparent in GoT world to keep the pursuit of technology out of most inhabitants reach or intellectual curiosity.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link
i just go with "its the equivalent of the dark ages in most ways" and leave it at that
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:02 (nine years ago) link
There are definitely nitpicky questions that are relevant to the story or the general world building but that isn't one of them. It also seems to get brought up all the time across the fantasy genre but I don't get why it bothers anybody enough to need an answer. Just rationalize it somehow and move on.
xxp
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
i'm still hopeful that at some point the police from monty python/holy grail will bust into westeros and arrest everyone
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
I think the real question is why our world hasn't developed magic or dragons yet.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
idk, considering they have winters that last years where loads of people starve to death and they have to spend years on survival - doesn't seem that difficult to reconcile to me. how can they plan or invest when they don't know when winter will end?
― gyac, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
The winter thing makes no sense either tbf
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Like how would life even evolve under those conditions
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
series should end with all the different kings pledging money for R&D into inventing the light bulb
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
The true answer is that the people and only the people are the driving force in the creation of world history, to paraphrase Mao Zedong. So since the big houses have all the power, and the people has none, progression is halted. The good ending for the series would be the smallfolk finally realizing their class interests, and rising up.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
Most of season seven consists of Loach'ian discussions amongst the Brotherhood of the Banners about the true way to achieve an uprising amongst the peasants. Then there's some boobs, then some more discussion.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
it was posted (i think here) a looong time ago – but someone shared a link that went into how all knowledge is basically intrusted to the Maesters. and that they have an interest in keeping that to themselves, it makes advancement incredibly difficult to achieve.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
Peasant uprising would be amazing. It seems like GRRM hints at something like that, or at least he seems pretty cynical about the typical fantasy trope of the "chosen one." Obviously he uses it to some extent, but so far, the chosen ones get their heads chopped off at some point.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
this seems kind of similar to the Helliconia series by Brian Aldiss-winters that last a super long time and destroy progress, a priesthood that keeps knowledge from the people etc.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
the sparrows thing is m/l a peasant uprising, focused around religious zealotry, obvs one of the best ways to rally the dispossessed
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
Mostly OTM, but compromised by having one of the two onscreen representatives be from a ruling, aristocratic family.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
eh, they gave up all their shit, every revolution has defectors from the powerful side
it is a shame the 7 gods cant protect you from flames though
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
VG the head room reminded me of Return to Oz too!Ramsey Bolton isn't the only one (not) troubling the charts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqF9KRgyck
― kinder, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
Red lady too.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
Diana Rigg totally won this episode.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 22:11 (nine years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 04:03 (nine years ago) link
It's horrible how well this workshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VTkL62YnTA
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 04:17 (nine years ago) link
Brilliant end.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 05:08 (nine years ago) link
BTW I'm pretty sure I've been in that Dorne palace where everything kicked off. Is it the Alcazar of Seville?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
yeah we were pretty sure it was, and it was: http://scribblerinseville.com/filming-game-of-thrones-in-sevilles-alcazar/
― anonanon, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
nice spot
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
so #sansagate is a thing
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
....what
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
do you just mean the negative reactions themselves or is there some creepy counterattack defense thing as well, i am literally always paranoid that that MRA shit is right around the corner :/
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
A short pause to mark the realisation that from now on *gate will evoke MRAs chimping it up rather than a national scandal that did for a US President.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
i started to read a thinkpiece abt heres why the rape was not necessary to advance the plot but im p sure the person didnt understand what the words plot or necessary meant, guess u wldnt write a piece like that if u did
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
Considering it was a change from the books, they could have done it differently
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
The Mary Sue has a solid view on it.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
yes, I read that. People should read that. I think there are spoilers in it though.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
xposts maybe easier to discuss on the spoiler thread?if we don't know where the plot is going it's p hard to defend a Strong Opinion whether or not the scene was necessary.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
i think there's a difference between the event happening and whether it needed to be depicted on screen -- so that scene was not necessary, especially considering it wasn't part of source text
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
the equivalent scene in the source text is like infinitely worse than what was shown on the show
― Clay, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
i don't buy any of that. if you're still watching after they killed dozens of babies, portrayed incest, exploded a guys head like a watermelon and cut off a guys cock – you have no right to complain. all this "i will never watch the show again" grandstanding is bs. especially if you've read the books and knew this (or something even worse) was coming.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link
that was an xpost to the marie sue link
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
The equivalent scene in the source text isn't in the source text though, as it involves a character that isn't in the TV version at all (I realise I'm skirting the thread title here) - anything they did would be a change.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:30 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
literarily anything in any work of art could be done differently
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:35 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha thats the one i stopped read, genuinely odd
I think you're arguing semantic there, but it's obvious what event in the book maps onto the event in the show. xp
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
it felt gratuitous, esp. in the larger context of the jamie/circe rapey scene from last season that wasn't portrayed as such in the book.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
if the complaint is that it happened to one character and not another, that's not much of a moral stand to take against the depiction of rape as a cheap device in fiction
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
xp -- not to spoil anything, but the only "necessary" things plot wise are:
1. Theon is forced to watch/participate in something horrible Ramsay does to a woman he knew from his time at Winterfell (in the book it was Sansa's bff). 2. Something horrible happens to the woman so that she would want to potentially escape3. Ramsay is an evil sociopath (which could be argued has already been conveyed adequately)
There is a lot of leeway with how to script and visually depict these plot points
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
I used to think this show was just about power struggles, but I'm beginning to think it's core reason for existing is to continually test the audience's capacity for shock
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
the power struggle stuff has gradually receded and/or become incomprehensibly convoluted but the murderboobs quotient abides as a central focus
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:59 (nine years ago) link
but I'm beginning to think it's core reason for existing is to continually test the audience's capacity for shock
surely this has been obvious from the finale of season one?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
the mary sue piece isnt badly written or not understandable per se but its def moving the goalposts, like why didn't you stop watching the series pilot when drogo has sex with dany in a way that most rational people (myself included!) would term rape or at the very fucking least deficient consent
that said, perhaps the most pressing real problem is the way the camera lingers on theon's face during it, and while i understand that as a way to not actually show us what's happening and kind of appreciate it for that reason, it is inevitably going to imply that the assault is notable in the story for how it makes theon/reek feel rather than uh the victim of sexual assault - whether that's what the benioff/weiss braintrust intended or not
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
Did anyone read Alyssa Rosenberg's piece? I thought it was interesting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/19/game-of-thrones-has-always-been-a-show-about-rape/
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
do people not remember that there is a much more visually disturbing depiction of sexual violence in the pilot of this show? Of a main character? And that character then falls in love with her rapist-husband? this is not remotely new territory for game of thrones is all.
the pilot also includes incest and attempted murder of a child so I guess it's forgiven if no one remembers one of a thousand revolting crimes that are the foundation of this show.
xpost!
― Clay, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
Rosenberg piece is great iirc
― Clay, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
and they didn't even address it in their little inside the episode feature.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
i wonder to what extent this is more audience upset over sympathetic characters experiencing terrible things (ned, red wedding, etc) but it's being mixed up as moral outrage bc the terrible thing is a rape.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
haha yeah that was def a red flag that something was up. I guess it took awhile for me to realize that this show is not about characters, politics, religion, gender etc., that shit all takes a back seat to I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY MURDERED THOSE BOOBS-type nonsense
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
oh ffs shakey
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
eh I've been tired of this show's ugly nonsense for awhile now
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
The complaint isn't just that it happened to another character. The complaint is that it happened to a character who's experience couldn't be shown. So the books didn't fail to show the victim's point of view, that was impossible. But the show changed the story, then failed anyways. At least that's how I understand the criticism re book-to-show.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
I did shed a tear when they cut off Ned's boobs, it's true
― DJP, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:07 (nine years ago) link
feel like saying that the show is stupid and gratuitous is fine and prob so obvious as to no need mentioning, outlining what you feel is necessary to advance the plot is just like such bizarre behavior, as is qualifying ones own writing about the show as promotion
Before we dive into why we felt this was a choice which would cause us to stop promoting the show, allow us to say something very important: rape is not a necessary plot device. Really think about that before shouting “creative freedom” in our direction, please.
that piece literally is one of the strangest alt-universe approaches to art and what life is like its hard to wrap my mind around
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
i never made it this far in the books so i don't know if there are things about the alternative storyline that redeem it more in the eyes of critics of the show. it does seem to me that sansa's pov in the show has not been marginalized, and was not in that scene either. ymmv.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
a lot of people are representing their feelings as "this is the last straw" -- some of those who have read the books (like presumably the Mary Sue writers), see this differently because it was something the writers made up with the idea that, "If you're going to make something up, this is what you come up with?"
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
is that like a fan fiction website or something?
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
that said, perhaps the most pressing real problem is the way the camera lingers on theon's face during it, and while i understand that as a way to not actually show us what's happening and kind of appreciate it for that reason, it is inevitably going to imply that the assault is notable in the story for how it makes theon/reek feel rather than uh the victim of sexual assault - whether that's what the benioff/weiss braintrust intended or not― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:01 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:01 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
my theory is this is all a set up for theon killing ramsey somehow during the battle w/ stannis. like the only way you can go back to liking theon in any way is for him to get rid of an even more worthless human being.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
We don't really know what they came up with though. We've seen the event but not the aftermath. That's an important part of the context.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
i don't know if there are things about the alternative storyline that redeem it more in the eyes of critics of the show
Hahahaha no.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
I wonder what could have made the creators of the show think that throwing in some extra rape wouldn't be a big deal
things to think baout
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
it's not extra rape tho even - it's the same quantity of rape, just happening between different characters
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
feel like ive seen more "why is everyone up in arms about this rape!?" sentiment than actual "up in arms about this rape" sentiment
― max, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
xxp truth bombs
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
do you have female friends who watch the show, max?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
it bums me out that we can't talk about this show without creating a grand unified theory of rape conservation, which may be enough to stop me watching it all together (I'm already on the "no need to watch it live" bandwagon)
― DJP, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
the washington post piece is v good, rosenberg's tv writing is always on point
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
Keep forgetting Theon killed two children.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:20 (nine years ago) link
only Mordy will get this reference (I suspect) but I kinda wonder if anyone has written a defense of GoT as a feminist text a la similar defense of the comic book Fukitor. Like, if Andrea Dworkin wrote a fantasy epic intended to address gender/sexual politics it would by necessity be chockfull of sexual violence, romance would be shown to be an empty cover story for exploitation and degradation, and it would undoubtedly be really unpleasant, kinda like GoT. Martin's politics do seem to lean left and he has done a fair amount to promote women in the industry etc. but it feels like there's a a disparity between those elements of his personality and the sort of lurid way sexual violence is handled in his material.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
also in Martin's version all the women are 13 years old
― Clay, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
those are westeros years. given the length of seasons that makes everyone like 30.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
I don't even know what a year means in Westeros
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
If the critique was leveled as grrm as well as the show I'd understand it better but the Mary Sue piece seems to be arguing that the show did something wrong that grrm didn't and I don't understand what that is.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
imo a year in westeros is like our normal year the thing theyre talking abt as far as winter is a part of some longer non year cycle, this isnt based on anything i havent read the books but they shd adopt my version its a better way to do the plot
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link
and if theres one thing i know its what necessary in a plot u shd listen to me producers of wildly successful tv show
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
xps shakey, this might be what yr looking for
― polyphonic, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:02 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
imo a year in westeros is like our normal year
marked by, if not the seasons then, ... what? are you telling me they've figured out that their planet orbits a sun? seems unlikely
yes I read the Rosenberg piece, which made me think of the Fukitor thing
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
Did Littlefinger bring Jeyne to the Boltons in the book?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:38 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think they have seasons then they also have longer magical meta seasons i am just making this up but its better
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
it's kinda like ice ages and stuff
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
so there's like Winter with a capital double-u ice age winter and then regular annual lower-case winters?
that makes sense
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
thats what i think
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
In the books, does Littlefinger tell Cersei that Arya and Ramsay are about to be wed? I loved that detail in the show, but it doesn't seem like it would make sense with Arya since she didn't have a part in Joffrey's death.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link
Like, if Andrea Dworkin wrote a fantasy epic intended to address gender/sexual politics it would by necessity be chockfull of sexual violence, romance would be shown to be an empty cover story for exploitation and degradation, and it would undoubtedly be really unpleasant, kinda like GoT. Martin's politics do seem to lean left and he has done a fair amount to promote women in the industry etc. but it feels like there's a a disparity between those elements of his personality and the sort of lurid way sexual violence is handled in his material.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 20, 2015
been thinking about this post and it is def not meaningful in any large way but still somehow jumps to mind that mzb turned out to be an irl-creep/possible monster
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
who is mzb
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
Marion Zimmer Bradley, probably?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
ah of course
I don't remember there being a bunch of sexual violence in Mists of Avalon (which my gf at the time made me read) but maybe I'm forgetting something
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link
Uh wow, I did not hear about MZB!! Sad because I really liked MOA.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
i do not do not do not want to make this the mzb horrorshow thread but it's googleable
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
mzb google is legit bummertown usa, like chemical-brain-wash afterwards kind of reading
i was a fan & i still don't know what to do with that
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 23:43 (nine years ago) link
Kinda curious how this particular type of tv audience would respond to Oz. Rape was a major part of that show and I ended up feeling sorry for characters I didn't previously think possible. Peter Schibetta got it really rotten.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2015 00:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i want to be sympathetic to people who are bristling about this rape scene but i'm struggling to see how it makes a lot of sense given the nature of this show. it's been established that it's a brutal, violent world and horrific things happen on a regular basis. TV Show Sansa has been rolled together with another character in the books and that character is abused to an even further extent. how would we even know at this point that it's gratuitous being completely unaware of what happens down the line? it wasn't filmed in a questionable manner either, it demonstrated the brutality of the act without doing it in some creepy, sexualized way.
is rape not a thing that should be broached in fiction, art, whatever? is all the other heinous shit that happens in this show OK?
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:37 (nine years ago) link
I was annoyed with it on a couple of levels, but mostly because the scene seemed to be more "about" Theon/Reek than Sansa. Which really just made the rape seem like a cheap plot device. But we'll see how next week shakes out, I guess?
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:45 (nine years ago) link
that Mary Sue article was bizarre. Writer claims to be fan of the books, knows about the much worse rape scene that this one is somewhat based on, and yet is so scandalized by the scene that the site is going to stop "promoting" the tv show. Why not give up on the whole series, books and all, after reading GRRM's rape scene? I can only imagine it's because this happened to Sansa, who seemingly was taking back control of her destiny, going goth and all.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:51 (nine years ago) link
i don't know how to articulate the reaction bcz it's one I share but i am not really into the way it's being interrogated itt
i mean, i know you all like lengthy chin-scratching posts about whys and yes-but-what-if
but it's also kinda removed & feels a bit like "kicking the rape-can around"
i'm not saying don't interrogate, but just know that not everyone is up for dissection of rape in the media or good rape vs bad rape
and i am gonna have to bail until the next episode airs & hopefully yall move on
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2015 02:06 (nine years ago) link
every time i see the new high sparrow my mind goes BRAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZIIILL WHERE HEARTS WERE ENTERTAINING JUNE
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 21 May 2015 04:40 (nine years ago) link
I mostly remember the Lexus commercials
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 21 May 2015 05:32 (nine years ago) link
Infiniti.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 06:04 (nine years ago) link
May I request a new thread? This thing crashes whatever browser I try to read it on whenever I try and go back to load an entire week's worth of commentary. Possibly tomorrow or Saturday, so we catch all of this week's talk and then move to the new one for episode 7?
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
use bookmarks
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
tbf its not far away from 10,000 - it might be reasonable to do a part 2
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
I get that, but I can't even get to the point where I can want to put a bookmark. This muhufucker is unwieldy!
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
Yeah it seems a bit mad that we're still on the first thread, considering this is probably the most talked about show on the board and is in its fifth season.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
At this point we might as well finish the season though.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
surely the Wire has more threads/posts
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
Just cut your losses and bookmark at the current end of this thread!
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
You're not missing a whole lot imo.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol u literally never stop
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:13 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dan m, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
I was being serious! There are a ton of Wire threads - for individual seasons, character polls, threads where posters "talk like a character from the Wire", etc. - to say nothing of all the threads that compare the Wire to other shows.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:12 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:13 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha was abt to make these exact posts
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
all those sand snakes zings gone forever
― Evan, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
Gone like snakes in an hourglass
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
so are the games of our thrones
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
Mad Men seems to be getting more discussion for each recent episode than this entire GoT season.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
All in the game of thrones yo, all in the game.
― groovypanda, Thursday, 21 May 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
amanda marcotte on sansa plotline controversy
― Mordy, Friday, 22 May 2015 00:16 (nine years ago) link
Bullshit. Thinking something is wrong for more than one reason is not the same as 'moving the goalposts'. And the idea that the scene is actually subversive, as if Game of Thrones is the first culture in the world that constantly punishes women. Read a comic book. Also, the idea that the rape was the same, but just to another person. It is not the same. Those are two different persons. It's two different rapes. And if we really want to go into it, in the show, Jeyne Pool is still captured, she is still being tormented somewhere, just not at Winterfell. We don't see it, no, but neither did we 'see' Ramsey rape her in the book. They invented more torment of a person that wasn't tormented before, they didn't just move some torment around. And why the fuck does this show keep on having to invent more torment for it's female characters? What sick impulse is this?
― Frederik B, Friday, 22 May 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
Marcotte and Alyssa Rosenberg otm
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 01:34 (nine years ago) link
The impulse of making a show about the horrors of sexual inequalities.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 22 May 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link
as if Game of Thrones is the first culture in the world that constantly punishes women. Read a comic book.
Bronze AgeIron AgeCerebus Age
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 01:54 (nine years ago) link
This is actually very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=zs7xO5P3Az4
― groovypanda, Friday, 22 May 2015 09:24 (nine years ago) link
self fulfilling prophecy there methinks
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 May 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
lol Keyes
― Οὖτις, Friday, 22 May 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
like the show, this thread is mostly a lot of bullshitting but nothing really happening
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 May 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
what is supposed to happen in a thread?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
with occasional shocking brutal slaughters of key personalities
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 May 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
RIP lagoon
oops spoilers
― DJP, Friday, 22 May 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
dang, brutal
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 22 May 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
fuuc
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 May 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
HOOS your daddy.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Friday, 22 May 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
in the books it was forks
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
Luna c = tansy
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 May 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
i seem to recall i was the little kid who shot jon snow's wildling lover in the book but maybe i misremember
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 May 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
a much better episode imo
samwell tarly for iron throne imo
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 25 May 2015 04:21 (nine years ago) link
great episode
I sweartogod if you plausibility police people say a goddamn word about "y did that guy cut tyrion's chains" the answer is WHO CARES BRING THESE CHARACTERS TOGETHER
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 04:47 (nine years ago) link
it's a show about dragons and white magical zombies, plausibility be damned
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 25 May 2015 04:52 (nine years ago) link
ha cersei owned by religion
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 05:00 (nine years ago) link
Who ratted out Cersei?
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 25 May 2015 06:37 (nine years ago) link
Lancel, her cousin
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Monday, 25 May 2015 06:43 (nine years ago) link
i'm wondering how long the high sparrow knew about that.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 May 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
It seems at this point they're showing us three plausible rulers (Stannis, Dany and Jon) all of whom give something of a damn about the supernatural stuff in their world. The other players are too caught up in power politics
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 25 May 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
I think high sparrow possibly was waiting to do this. I half expected him to smile at the end, like a sadist but apparently he takes no pleasure in this.
I really thought Sam was going to kill those guys to get some cred, like Jon would have for executing that disobedient coward but it probably wouldn't have worked.
Amazed I didn't realise the Red women is the star of Black Book! Stannis is getting more interesting.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
littlefinger delivered lancel to the high sparrow no? thats what his line to the queen of thorns about having a beautiful boy for her was about
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
If Dany and Tyrion do somehow become allies, I hope the first thing they do is get a search team for Varys.
Maybe Jaime and Bronn will make this their new home? So nice there, even the prison stays.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
xp he did, but he may well have already known bc I expect lancel confessed most of his sins some time ago before cersei's capture, and was prob looking for the most opportune possible time
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
right after littlerfinger set it up?
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
in this working theory, lancel prob confessed to the high sparrow months and months ago, and it would be to the sparrow's advantage to wait for cersei to think she had him in his pocket, and then snap the trap - also perhaps he wanted to observe her actions for himself to have an opinion on cersei beyond whatever lancel told him
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
it's a little confusing with the littlefinger angle but it wouldn't be the first time his intentions dovetailed with someone else's
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
is this like based on anything that happened in the show, cause usually theyre pretty good about telling you whats going on and they had a scene where littlefinger said he set it up
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link
well, lancel first revealed himself to cersei as a religious fanatic very early on in this season, making ominous statements about "his sins" and forgiveness, and could have been talking to the high sparrow as early as that - but I could also be demonstrably wrong! and the sparrow only just found out solely through littlefinger setting it up
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
Ha I assumed Littlefinger had found Roberts bastard in the rowboat
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 25 May 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
i mean cerseis misdeeds dont really fall under the heading of lancels sins, also everyone knows that cersei is gnarly as hell rumors re incest are public knowledge, lancel is important not as an informant but as a witness, but mostly from a storytelling standpoint it wld be weird to have the plot explicitly explained one way but then have another secret unreferenced plot happening in the background, sort of a tree falls in the forest type of scenario, maybe it happened that way in the books? idk
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
lancel's sins: roofied king for cersei, committed incest with cersei
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 25 May 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
wait did lancel bang cersei too
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
Plenty of times.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
I think Littlefinger's boy is someone else entirely.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
cld be but he also encountered lancel when he came into town so u know hes got lancel on the brain, if im wrong abt this i blame the bad show
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
I figure that when Littlefinger saw Lancel he knew that the religious freaks already had evidence that Tommen was Jaime's son and would eventually move against the Lannisters. So it's a good thing his people picked up Gensry somewhere so that he could come back to Kings Landing and marry Margery
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 25 May 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
Gendry ffs
but gendry is just a bastard
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
A bastard to lead the many against the few
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 25 May 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
have a feeling the many r gonna be crushed in short order
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but more likely Littlefinger has that guy who testified against Margery and her brother and is about to make him disappear
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 25 May 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
like these religious fanatics dont really have any power, littlefinger and the tyrells r gonna win
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
cld se that xp
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
surprised there's no talk about the awesome scene in dorne with bronn and the boobs
― Karl Malone, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
it was kinda funny - on-purpose funny for once - and we got jerome flynn's wonderfully tuneful voice, not bad imo
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Just realised Tommen must be freaking out and could command soldiers to kill all the sparrows.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
Meryn Trant is the commander now, right? And out of town.
― polyphonic, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Somebody else will probably be fulfilling his duties.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
they addressed that. cersei reminded him that if they attack the sept Queen Marge and Ser Loras would likely be killed.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 25 May 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
soldiers cld just waltz in there and take them back sans bloodshed tommen just cant do it cause hes a dumb lil kid
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
i don't think soldiers are good at the doing-things-without-causing-bloodshed
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 May 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
who is the toughest warrior who is actually still in town and not in prison.
― polyphonic, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
xp tbf in westeros it's quite hard for anyone to do anything without causing bloodshed, may as well just go for it.
i figured cersei was trying to make tommen buy into the idea of the sparrows having an authority and importance beyond just something which she was bestowing upon them. except then they lock her up and suddenly they actually do.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
like obvs cersei sent jamie away cause if he was there hed just knock on the door w a few kingsguard and be all hi excuse me but what r u doin and the whole thing wld be over
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:59 (nine years ago) link
Jorah's fighting was pretty good and convincing.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 May 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
haha i liked how dani was still 100% p.o.ed at him
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 May 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
xxxposts yeah where i wrote "addressed" i shoulda wrote "handwaved" but i think the implication was the sparrows would kill the hostages
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 25 May 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
he was all haaay
and she was like ffs srs
like obvs cersei sent jamie away
IIRC Jaime sent Jaime away.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Monday, 25 May 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
http://i.giphy.com/xTiTnjflQXNizOOw5q.gif
― nashwan, Monday, 25 May 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link
Nice to see Al Pacino as a slavedriver.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 25 May 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
like obvs cersei sent jamie away cause if he was there hed just knock on the door w a few kingsguard and be all hi excuse me but what r u doin and the whole thing wld be over --lag∞n
I think you're overrating the abilities of a one handed man a bit is all, albeit largely bc nothing motivates anyone like religious fury
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 22:19 (nine years ago) link
also the remaining kingsguard are largely useless
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 22:20 (nine years ago) link
when people were saying at the beginning of the season that religion was going to start playing a bigger part on the show, I didn't know that meant religious dudes were going to take over and put everyone in dungeons
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 25 May 2015 22:51 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/EEqqwlP.jpg?1
― ian, Monday, 25 May 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
i mean... http://i.imgur.com/EEqqwlP.jpg%3F1
Also i'm glad Melissandre vs Shireen is maybe going to be a thing
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 00:28 (nine years ago) link
I can see varys stumbling onto gendry in volantis
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 00:44 (nine years ago) link
This show has totally turned into of Game of Goth. Someone should do a parody in the style of Hammer.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 03:30 (nine years ago) link
http://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMZkJBbbth5l1D1VvShEFOQ9l7NoQdKB7PyYl7OFKHuz6_VLJ0
Repent, Lanisters!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 03:31 (nine years ago) link
Goddamit.
http://sinsofcinema.com/Images/Twins-of-Evil/Twins-of-Evil-Blu-Ray-1.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 03:32 (nine years ago) link
irl lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, May 25, 2015 6:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its more abt authority than physical might, kings landing is basically experiencing a power vacuum cause the king is a little kid and the hand of the king is impulsive and cruel, i may be giving the show too much credit tho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link
"I dreamed that I was old!"
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 09:18 (nine years ago) link
Easily the best of the season, gives me hope they'll pull it round.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 09:19 (nine years ago) link
The piling on of misery is just wearing, tho.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 09:27 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:44 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Too much credit? I mean it's pretty clear that's what they're going for. The scenes in King's Landing have always explored power dynamics on some level.
They haven't done too much heavy signposting here but #occupybaelorscrypt has been pretty on the nose.
In a similar vein to what you were saying, Jamie as somebody that administers violence as his day job would have instinctively understood why arming the faith militant is an insanely bad idea when they draw from a much larger and less controllable recruiting pool (poor people) than the Kingsguard and gold cloaks (people the crown can afford to pay).
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:05 (nine years ago) link
The only scenes I really liked in this episode were those between the High Sparrow and Diana Rigg/Cersei. Jonathan Pryce is a great addition to the cast, and I'm now kind of on his side in wanting to overthrow the corrupt nobility.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:16 (nine years ago) link
He's clearly actually a bit of a wanker though.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:26 (nine years ago) link
idg the sand snakes or that weird scene in the cells, but at least they didn't kill off Bronn
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:37 (nine years ago) link
idg the sand snakes
They are good at killing people, also hot.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:42 (nine years ago) link
Anyway they and Bronn are probably going to team up and escape.
Most of that scene makes sense eventually if you give it enough thought but then you ask yourself why you're working so hard to justify tits on HBO.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:57 (nine years ago) link
Actually I predict her and Bronn are going to get it on, and he'll have to choose between her and a quiet life in a big castle with his frumpy bride.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 11:05 (nine years ago) link
Clearly they're setting up a spin-off with Bronn and the Sand Snakes solving crimes and generally getting into mischief in Dorne.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
true detective s3
― head clowning instructor (art), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
So I'm guessing Diana Rigg is going to move in and become Tommen's adviser in the absence of anyone else who can help him.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
great to see Sansa standing up to Ramsay also. she now has a weapon, it seems.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
Ramsay not running a tight ship, corkscrews lying around all over the place.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
it's also possible that this is just the beginning of Sansa's long struggle with alcoholism
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
Maybe I should remember Pycelle. He definitely felt threatened by the way things were going and he might spring into action.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 01:00 (nine years ago) link
Going to be a bit of a u-turn given she was previously talking about starving everyone in King's Landing, which would really not work to the benefit of a 13-year old king with no advisors who just wants to have sex five times a night. But given she's back on Team Littlefinger it's highly likely she will, given he is hardly one to look a gift king in the mouth.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 11:45 (nine years ago) link
Going to be a bit of a u-turn given she was previously talking about starving everyone in King's Landing
She was really pissed off when she said that, don't think she ever meant to go through with it.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
I agree she was pissed off, which to me means she REALLY meant to go through with it.
― DJP, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:27 (nine years ago) link
It was the second time she's talked about it in two episodes, I'm pretty sure she'd go ahead with it, given she, y'know, KILLED THE KING.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:29 (nine years ago) link
I didn't make the connection it was Jonathan Pryce playing the high sparrow(sp?) - haven't seen him in anything since Brazil.
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:32 (nine years ago) link
The last time I saw him was playing Cardinal Wolsey in Wolf Hall so it was a very small leap for my mind to make.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:37 (nine years ago) link
I like him in Glengarry Glenross.
Been meaning to go see him in Merchant Of Venice at The Globe too.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:37 (nine years ago) link
xpsImportant to remember who she was threatening there and what she was trying to achieve.
I don't doubt that if she truly believed starving the city would secure the release of her grandkids she'd do it but sparrow dude correctly points out why that would probably backfire.
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link
re: Pryce, clearly y'all need to see Listen Up Philip pronto
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:39 (nine years ago) link
my fave jonathan pryce performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010jO4_Bs9k
― Mordy, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:39 (nine years ago) link
Tommen should just bring in the Mountain to crush everyone's heads
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
he dead
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:05 (nine years ago) link
I was hoping Cersei was going to get thrown into the same cell as Margaery. Obviously not. It'll be interesting to see if one tries to join forces with the other at some point.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:09 (nine years ago) link
A moribund Gregor Clegane is being experimented on by Qyburn at his laboratory in the dungeons below the Red Keep.[23] Queen Cersei visits Qyburn and asks him about the state of his work, while glancing at Gregor's covered body, and Qyburn assures her it is going very well, though there is still a way to go. Then, Gregor suddenly spasms, and Qyburn gently shushes him and tells him to go easy.xp
― mizzell, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
same difference
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
looking forward to lady gregor clegane
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:03 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― DJP, Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Matt DC, Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
Her real enemy is Cersei. With her gone, she really has no reason to let the city starve, considering the fact that it's probably simpler to take control of Tommen and use whatever power he has left to try to get her grand kids freed. I don't really know how she's going to convince the sparrows to free Margery and her brother, but getting the king on her side seems like an obvious first step.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link
think littlefinger will have the witness held captive - as per others upthread
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
Surely you've seen Pirates of the Caribbean? Or, um, Jumpin' Jack Flash.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
Gilliam's used him a bunch he's great
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
Did anyone say Ronin yet
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gtDqjz0GE
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
He was the main bad guy in Tomorrow Never Dies!
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:57 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I actually didn't get what was happening - the poison kicking in seemed to correspond to her flashing her downstairs to Bronn (or at least the camera was heading that way, and cut to Bronn checking it out).
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 28 May 2015 11:51 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I think we were supposed to infer that he was intoxicated by her boobies at first, before the poison reveal.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 28 May 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link
i felt this show hasn't been objectifying enough so far so it was good that we had a shot from the actual perspective of the guy checking out boobies for some reason
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 28 May 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
when Bronn started swooning, the first thing that popped into my head was "she must have thighs like what, what, what"
― DJP, Thursday, 28 May 2015 13:09 (nine years ago) link
I assumed / hoped that it was some kind of poison that only kicked in when men became aroused. That would be awesome fun.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 May 2015 13:11 (nine years ago) link
i didn't understand that they were all in prison together, but in separate cells. but then i am thick.
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Thursday, 28 May 2015 13:15 (nine years ago) link
do people generally stick prisoners who've tried to kill each other together in the same cell?
― DJP, Thursday, 28 May 2015 13:20 (nine years ago) link
no, they generally stick them in two contiguous cells, 10 feet away from each other
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 May 2015 13:44 (nine years ago) link
I thought it was pretty obvious that she was purposely getting the poison to take effect quicker by increasing his blood flow. That didn't occur to anyone else here? Or am I wrong in the "that's not how bodies work, dude" category?
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
thinking about it cersei's plan was really staggeringly dumb, take our your enemies by encouraging a moral crusade when one of the moral crusaders knows a bunch of your terrible secrets?
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 28 May 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
It would have been really clever for them to have revealed that Lancel was part of the faith militant/sparrow in that scene to both Cercei and the audience. It would have been a more shocking scene and have made more sense for Cersei to have gone through with it, since she wouldn't have prepared for someone she knew intimately to be a part of it.
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
yeah but lancel looks so different now, 90% of watchers would be all WTF?
is it the same actor, even?
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link
cersei figured she could influence him with wealth and power like everyone else she interacts with.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
him being the high pigeon
― Evan, Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:54 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
have him reintroduced as a fanatic, in a scene where he says some really off-putting philosophical stuff that makes cercei question herself. basically the scene he was in earlier this season, but without the sparrow reveal.
then BOOM haha backstabbing cousin got you thrown in jail who would've guessed
― nose, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
no the way it was done is better it demonstrates that cercei is bad at scheming and what happens to ppl who are bad at scheming
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but it makes her seem a little TOO bad at scheming. Like, it has basically established her as a complete idiot thanks to the way it was handled.
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
She kind of is.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:16 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I think now that she's left without family to support her, her schemes are faltering and guard is falling.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
her problem is more that shes immature vindictive and and impulsive than stupid imo
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
i mean all of those may add up to a functional stupidity when it comes to governance but she has shown insight in other areas
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
she is pretty good at tactics and vv bad at strategy
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
also having cancel show up all dun dun DUH would have been terrible. much better to set it up early, then let us forget, then mind us what was in front of our noses all along.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
goddamn autocorrect LANCEL
her alcoholism has m/l eroded the cunning she once possessed in spades, idk its not that shocking
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
xps
Yeah I was thinking along the same lines as Evan especially given how she kept asking how his arm was. He wouldn't have believed her and taken the antidote if he wasn't already feeling the symptoms.
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
(xps evan)
rogermex and lagoon otm
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link
what is up with the new Thronecast (UK) inside-baseball discussion thing? It used to be okay and now it's massively embarrassing.
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
All I'm saying is that it would be plenty foolish of her to give power to the faith militant given her history alone, but to have her do that when she knows Lancel is a key guy there and they have a direct history of incest themselves is maybe just a tad too idiotic for her? Plus revealing Lancel is a sparrow in that scene would have been an exhilarating development and the entire "will this plan backfire for her?" question would have been more up in the air than completely obvious for viewers.
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
yes definitely it was obvious the plan wld backfire the whole time which was the point, it may have not come with as stunning of a reveal but it was a better story
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
it would be some tv 101 scandal shit imo to do it like that
the point is not that its obvious to us, because yeah it more or less is - the point is how not obvious it is to her. because she's built up so much arrogance out of anger and a legacy of familial strife, she can never imagine these things affecting her until they do even with the writing on the wall
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:34 (nine years ago) link
as for completely obvious tho u cn read the thread and see if ppl thought so lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:34 (nine years ago) link
Eh, if you say so. I had always felt her stupidity level was just above "drooling" myself.
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
They changed Cercei's plan from the books, and now it kinda doesn't make sense. Just like they changed Littlefinger's plans into something that doesn't make sense, and the Sand Snakes' plan into something that doesn't make sense, and...
― Frederik B, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
They changed Cercei's plan from the books, and now it kinda doesn't make sense.
in what way, i remember it pretty much as that but with some additional characters involved (lol kettleblacks, no one missed you)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
(if ppl want that on the spoiler thread and not here please ask/i will oblige)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
i'm a bit confused as to how long these sparrows have been going for, and how big their number is? Like 5 episodes ago they were just this Jedi-style cult and now they're able to imprison half the royal family...?
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
i can't remember the lancel story very well, doing it with your cousin doesn't seem like such a big sin in game of thrones land, but what else can we be sure he knows?
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
― p:s nerds know (dog latin)
I guess being given a load of weapons and license to smash shit up is great for a recruitment drive.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
how come cercei only loves to bang in the family
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
"it would be some tv 101 scandal shit imo to do it like that"
Well to avoid that effect the audience could know he was sparrow before she did.
Long story short, I just felt like the risks were overly blatant, and the show had been doing a good job at keeping things up in the air otherwise (example: parallel scene where Theon/Reek has the candle and approaches the tower. Is he going to do it or not?).
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
xxxxxpost I figured Cercei just thought that J.Pryce wouldn't take her down because she was helping him and increasing his power--something that would be true of nearly every other person she's met in her life.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link
well if it wasnt him itdve been the tyrells or littlefinger or etc etc
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
pryce imprisoning cercei seems pretty dumb too. aren't there still plenty of ppl w/ loyalty to the lannisters / on their payroll? i understand that leadership is depleted on top but tommen is still sitting on the iron throne. presumably even ppl who don't like the lannisters might be invested in the idea that a religious cult can't just go around arresting dowager queens.
― Mordy, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
are we to assume lancel would have told high sparrow james lingk about cersei banging jaime?
that's bound to be worth a few more hail marys.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
it does seem weird that suddenly there's this institution with more power than the royal family, it just feels abrupt
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
makes me wonder what power is really based on in King's Landing
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
pryce imprisoning cercei seems pretty dumb too.
― Mordy, Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well he is a religious fanatic
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
he speaks so reasonably tho. he seems like a pragmatic fanatic.
― Mordy, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:51 AM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and prob extremely short lived no
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
aren't there still plenty of ppl w/ loyalty to the lannisters / on their payroll?
not really. theyve spent a fair amount of time building margaery and the tyrells up as having a folk hero/benevolent dictator status to the ppl of king's landing and much of westeros, whether that's entirely earned or unearned is another matter but ppl def love them and only ever feared the lannisters
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
fear is a powerful thing of course but as soon as ppl think they dont have to feel it they cease to, in a general sense.
also, ppl think that the tyrell army beat back stannis much more so than tywin's army (even tho it was really tyrion and company and then the tywin/tyrell joint effort)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
It may have been more logical to have some guards escorting Cersei, only to be slaughtered by the faith militant in that scene when they take her to the dungeon.
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
cersei has jaime, qyburn, that thing qyburn is creating in his lab and lannister soldiers who are loyal to the house over all. (and roose bolton but its not gonna do her much good.) the tyrells have their own sizable army, enormous wealth that isn't running out and could have p much the entire country and kind of already do, and
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
i'm gonna start saying LOOK AT MY FACE at people on the subway
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
*and yea that family is basically cooked.
IT'S THE LAST THING YOU'LL SEE BEFORE YOU GET OFF AT BROADWAY LAFAYETTE
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
Also remember Cersei's rep is largely emasculating/possibly manslaughtering a popular king, and mothering a hated one.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
I think it's perfectly conceivable that they'd have plenty of potential allies in the city even if just Lannister soldiers and the goldcloaks but Cersei has been so fierce in shielding Tommen that virtually nobody with any sense or foresight has had access to him and the power he commands as king.
Cersei in her infinite wisdom then had to go and convinced him that any military action would end in the deaths of the ones imprisoned so I don't see that being pursued.
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 28 May 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n
yeah, the way it's come out of nowhere suggests it's just a fun little sidequest while martin types out the future. i'm sure you can point to several foreshadowing events over the first 4 seasons but basically it just seems like it's come out of nowhere in season 5
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 May 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Thursday, May 28, 2015 4:00 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
same guy
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
remembered almost none of this http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Lancel
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
haha yeah me neither. Feel like this show has a habit of suddenly rendering minor, unmemorable characters somehow significant to the larger story(ies)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
it's nothing compared to the books, but the books have lists and charts and maps
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
from season 2:
Tyrion has had Grand Maester Pycelle arrested for breaking his confidence and feeding information to Queen Regent Cersei Lannister.[9] Cersei sends Lancel to Tyrion with a warrant for the release of Pycelle. He arrives late at night and Tyrion invites him for a drink and Lancel refuses. Tyrion wonders why Cersei did not come herself. Lancel says that he does not care and Tyrion continues to question him. Tyrion establishes that the order came directly from Cersei and then asks why Lancel waited to deliver it. Lancel says that he came immediately and Tyrion wonders what he was doing conferring with Cersei so late at night. Lancel improvises and says that Cersei often works through the night, and Tyrion retorts that she must be glad to have Lancel helping her at all hours. Tyrion notes the scent of lavender oil on his cousin and says that it is a favorite of Cersei. Lancel asserts his position as a knight, and Tyrion jokes that he is an anointed knight. Tyrion asks if Cersei had Lancel knighted before or after she took him into her bed. Lancel furiously calls that a lie, but when Tyrion threatens to tell Joffrey, he collapses into a chair, aghast. Lancel claims that it wasn't his fault, and Tyrion asks if she took him against his will. Lancel insists he was following Tywin’s orders to obey Cersei in all things, but Tyrion counters by asking him if Tywin ordered him to sleep with her as well. Tyrion points out the benefits Lancel has received and threatens to go straight to Joffrey at which Lancel falls to his knees and begs him for mercy and offers to leave the city. Tyrion says that Lancel must act as his spy to buy his silence. Tyrion asks Lancel to beg Cersei’s forgiveness and agrees to release Pycelle but refuses to reinstate him to the council.
tyrion is the best
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
jeez, i forgot that cersei punched lancel's arrow wound during the battle of the blackwater! that probably made him really mad at her
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
I easily remembered all the Lancel scenes because he was previously just there to be humiliated by the other characters.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
yeah, having spent several seasons as a hapless pawn, it makes total sense dude got religion
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
His best scene is Tyrion telling Lancel to ask Bronn to kill him if certain circumstances occur and Bronn replying "it would be my pleasure".
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
https://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=3Yyw7Iyvy2E
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
I just listened to Grantland's GoT podcast and their "expert" guy claimed that Littlefinger was definitely talking about Lancel in that "handsome young man" line. If that's the case then that is some championship level shitty writing.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 28 May 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
Long shot but it could be Gendry
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
nah, it's probably the witness against Loras.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
Otm
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link
Littlefinger had a chat with Lancel after he joined so I assumed it was him, though I don't think he was the one who pushed him to talk about the incest to Pryce.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 29 May 2015 05:02 (nine years ago) link
Littlefinger seems to have two big bases covered right now but I'm not sure what his gameplan is for if Stannis takes Winterfell. Presumably Sansa is some level of insurance there but I don't know why Stannis would exactly give a shit, other than out of pragmatism.
― Matt DC, Friday, 29 May 2015 11:19 (nine years ago) link
Stan is kind of a stickler about rightful heirs.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Friday, 29 May 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Yeah you can bet the house on Stannis instating Sansa as the Stark in Winterfell if he wins this fight (unless her marriage to Ramsay has somehow invalidated this? idek, we're so far off the edge of the map now wrt the books that I'm finding it increasingly difficult to read these characters), but does that help Littlefinger particularly? Surely Sansa is gonna be pretty pissed at him for riding off into the night and leaving her with Ramsay the psycho
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 29 May 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link
Sansa is sort of hot for Littlefinger and believes he's her protector of sorts, her mother's best friend, etc.
That might change after Brienne slices Ramsey in half and tells the real story though.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 30 May 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
What does Brienne know since she last met Sansa?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 May 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
i was not under the impression that sansa was in any way sort of hot for littlefinger
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 May 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
Guys, nothing in that story makes any sense at all.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 30 May 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
I did not see that episode coming
and it was fucking great
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 02:24 (nine years ago) link
tyrion/dany scenes were so so so so so good
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
and then whoaaaaa battle time
"arise my undead children" part was amazing
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 02:32 (nine years ago) link
as they floated away at 0.000000001 knots/hr
that was red wedding level unanticipated terror
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 1 June 2015 02:47 (nine years ago) link
I feel they have made up for the last two episodes. Gonna be a dead sprint downhill from here.
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Monday, 1 June 2015 02:53 (nine years ago) link
yeah best episode in a bit. lots of dénouement on the horizon. still guessing stannis will be the major plot character to eat it this season since he's been so sympathetic lately
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 1 June 2015 03:03 (nine years ago) link
Goddamn that was insane.
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Monday, 1 June 2015 03:14 (nine years ago) link
love the final stare down that lasted 4 minutes and all the while the boat has not advanced a bit.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 1 June 2015 04:53 (nine years ago) link
i thought he was going to freeze the entire bay at first.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 June 2015 04:58 (nine years ago) link
took them long enough but yeah, that was an A+ budget-busting set piece of a sequence of a variety that's been sorely lacking.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 June 2015 05:00 (nine years ago) link
Cersei's manipulation at King's Landing look even worse now. There is no time for petty politics you fools.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 1 June 2015 05:02 (nine years ago) link
My name is Lana, I'm an orphan.
When I was 8 I begged enough money to buy my first bucket of oysters.
I sold that bucket, I made enough money to buy two more.
It took a while, but I finally saved enough to buy myself an oyster card.
Marijuana is a hell of a drug.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 1 June 2015 05:15 (nine years ago) link
that town has awesome locally sourced food markets, totally gonna move out therealso: who the fuck puts vanilla on oysters
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 June 2015 06:05 (nine years ago) link
Think it was vinegar though now that you mention it I'm curious
― tsrobodo, Monday, 1 June 2015 06:08 (nine years ago) link
Probably my favorite episode of the series
vinegar would make a lot more sense, people DO put mignonette on oysters i swear i heard vanilla though
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 June 2015 06:10 (nine years ago) link
the last half of that episode was the most metal thing we will ever see on television
― Clay, Monday, 1 June 2015 06:40 (nine years ago) link
Well it did feature Mastadon.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 1 June 2015 07:58 (nine years ago) link
great episode - each thread was interesting, not least maisie williams' fire oyster-merchant hairdo.
so what's the deal with rob's sword? is it the fact he was wielding it or is it just that he never knew it was dragonglass?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 08:18 (nine years ago) link
john's sword i mean
Valyrian steel, I think
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 08:21 (nine years ago) link
was there some thing before about his real father being a targeryen?
xpost i thought valyrian steel had stopped sponsoring this show
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 08:22 (nine years ago) link
there's a popular theory about who his parents are
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 08:25 (nine years ago) link
did samwell inadvertantly convince that kid to kill j.s.
― (o), Monday, 1 June 2015 08:26 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, great episode, one of the most satisfying for all the stuff they managed to fit in, but it was really dumb of Jon to admit to killing Mance without laying out the circumstances first.
I thought the ice king that Jon smashed came back but it must be a similar looking ice king.
Wondering what percentage of the wildlings survived. Perhaps Jon should have been more careful because maybe without him, none of the wildlings would be allowed back, but maybe the advance of the white walkers changes what crows would allow. Doesn't look like there's a big tribe of giants. That one giant must be hardy as fuck to swim through freezing water. In season 2 I thought white walkers would simply advance until they killed everyone but obviously they've been doing other stuff, going back and forth. Otherwise they would have killed loads in season 3.
Keeping in mind that the cast of the show have repeatedly said episode 10 is going to have a major shocker that's supposed to be bigger than anything before. I'm going to guess it's not totally due to characters dying. Perhaps something with Arya coming into totally new territory. I was hoping Cersei will die this season but now I want her to at least get revenge on the Sparrows.
There's a lot to fit into next two episodes. They're called "The Dance of Dragons" and "Mother's Mercy". I presume the mother is either Daenerys or Cersei.
Add to missing list: Brynden Tully. Maybe he'll come in and kill someone.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 June 2015 12:27 (nine years ago) link
Also wondering how much of the wildlings were killed behind those doors. Looked like a lot.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 June 2015 12:30 (nine years ago) link
it was really dumb of Jon to admit to killing Mance without laying out the circumstances first.
this was really bad writing. like it's a sensitive situation and he just decides to clown them by announcing he shot an arrow "through his heart", conveniently paving the way for pirate steve to show his trust for him.
also the "he may be prettier than my daughters" thing didn't work too well with that incredibly striking scandinavian-looking female wildling standing there.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 12:46 (nine years ago) link
how did i miss striking scandinavians?!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 June 2015 13:39 (nine years ago) link
so how many seasons will it take for the whitewalkers to cross the river?
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 13:49 (nine years ago) link
Jon admitting to killing Mance w/o context was pretty consistent with how dumb Jon's always been
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
Xxxxxp didn't the sparrow guy say 'mother's mercy' is what the tyrells would get if they plead guilty for their sins? I'm guessing it's not actually hugely merciful
― Blandford Forum, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
probably you get sent to a nunnery way in the south where a bunch of monsters are attacking
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
Guessing that Cersei thinks it sounds quite nice, confesses to having Lancelot kill Robert, shagging Lancelot etc. and them discovers that it isn't actually that great.
― Blandford Forum, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:29 (nine years ago) link
lol Lancelot, thanks phone
― Blandford Forum, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
idk why ppl loved that ep quite so hard but it was cool when dany revealed herself to be a revolutionary
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
i didn't completely understand the interaction between cersei and the...guy who i recognize but can't remember really. seems like he was hinting at some sort of move he could pull to get her out of there?
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:41 (nine years ago) link
he was being kinda coy
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
Is there a suggestion that Frankenmountain might be ready to go pretty soon
― Blandford Forum, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
o right he did say something abt the maester right
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Monday, June 1, 2015 10:41 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
qyburn, her disgraced former maester dude. him saying there's a way out is p much telling her "uhhh youre fucked you should probably confess," but saying "the work continues" is qyburn-code for "your zombie guardian is almost ready"
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
that said even a frankenclegane could prob be defeated somehow i highly doubt that it just singlehandedly kills all of cersei's 9 zillion enemies
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
Trial by combat?
― Blandford Forum, Monday, 1 June 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
Can imagine Qyburn sitting on Mountain's shoulders and throwing dangerous chemicals.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 June 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
somebody's been playing bloodbourne
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 June 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
Trial by combat is such an unfair advantage for the people who have access to giant grunts
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
really enjoyed seeing cersei licking water off the floor. she is the worst, i hate her.
― ian, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link
Cersei scene made me think of KISS's "Lick It Up" so that was some kind of positive. The battle scene was a pleasant surprise, although I don't think they shot it very well - all those abrupt/jump-cut shots of people bludgeoning each other, that's not how you do a well-orchestrated battle scene imo
― Οὖτις, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
i think the point was that it was m/l a one-sided bloodbath rather than a battle
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
why can't zombies go in the water?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
maybe they dissolve.
― ian, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
they should just walk along the ocean floor underneath the boats then when the boats arrive at their destination the zombies just walk up out of the water behind them "oh hai"
― Οὖτις, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
it chills them to the bone ha ha
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
Rules
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
if a dude (the night's king) who only needs to go flicka the wrist to raise fresh dead from the fields solely as a parting troll gesture wanted to kill everyone then and there, he prob would have
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
its seems like the white walkers r gonna be hard to defeat only dragons prob cld do it
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
i bet dragon glass, valarian steel, and dragon fire all kill white walkers
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
seems like normal fire should work on the normal zombies tho
― anonanon, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
isn't there another valyrian blade out there? who has it? jamie? or bronn or brienne? i can't really remember.
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Xpost #killallwhitewalkers
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
jamie and brienne each have ones that were melted down from the very big sword i think
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link
brienne and jon have them, jaime took the one that was supposed to be joffrey's i think, a handful of other lords have them
tyrion had a valyrian steel dagger but its prob long gone
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
eddard's valyrian sword was melted down into 2 by twyin and he gave them to jamie and joffrey. jamie gave his to brienne, and i guess tommen has joffrey's now.
― mizzell, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
they will prob need another sword or two
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
And valyrian steel is a special kind of... treatment of normal steel? Folding process? A totally different set of alloys?
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
it's magic! since the doom of valyria no one knows how to make more.
― mizzell, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
white walkers stuff was intense & v v dope
it's like "welp, it was a p good plan Jon Snow but here let me show you exactly how fucked you are"
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 June 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
they used to build shit in westeros - now they're importing steel from the east.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
winter is winter
valyrian steel obv made of dragons duh
you can probably kill white walkers by throwing Stone Men at them
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link
the only thing stopping them from killing the undead was the lack of a way of making sharp enough swords
― ogmor, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
iirc it's forged in dragon fire
― tsrobodo, Monday, 1 June 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
does a have a real world counterpart where during the middle ages smelting techniques were more advanced in parts of asia than europe and the steel was imported and v expensive and a big tech advantage for those who had it
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
asian dragons are significantly better for forging steel than european ones
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 1 June 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
yeah that scene where jon snow turned the zombie king to dust felt historical
― ogmor, Monday, 1 June 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
Why did it take them like ten minutes to be like "maybe we should go grab that bag of dragon glass stuff!"
Also, do you think the giant grabbed that bag?
― schwantz, Monday, 1 June 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
did anyone notice the wildling that was chest deep in the freezing water by the dock, helping with the boat(?), before the whitewalkers even appeared? he was just hanging out in the water, holding the boat steady
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
this show crazy
― nose, Monday, 1 June 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
giant gets to the wall and falls down dead of hypothermia
― tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 1 June 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
Nights Watch dig a 2ft deep moat in front of the wall and the White Walker threat is averted.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 1 June 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Iaf6Y2ji--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1278136680883985737.png
the battle takes place at Hardhome, where the Wildlings have retreated after the earler battle at the Wall. so...the whitewalkers and the undead horde had to travel from the west to get to Hardhome, right? and no one saw them until they were about a mile away, avalanching down a mountain? come on guys you gotta send a scout or two out, this is embarrassing for you
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:09 (nine years ago) link
everyone too focused on the pretty jon snow
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
psh yeah you send scouts to "the haunted forest" xp
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
i'll grant that the haunted forest is too scary to send scouts too. but what about the top of the mountain range that overlooks hardhome a mile away, or the piece of land east of scurry forest where the bays pinch in from the north and south? frankly, i'm beginning to think this entire show is just made up
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
where did all these wildlings originally come from? west of craster's keep and they've been pushed to the east as the whitewalkers come? what is north of fist of the first men? uncharted?
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure we saw some of the scouts flying over the edge of the cliff with the rest of the dead guys.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 June 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
nb by "originally come from" i don't mean to impugn the ethnic character of the widlings or suggest that they are in any way less westerosian than people south of the wall
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
Have the wildlings ever actually battled against the walkers before? It seemed like this was the first time they really had to deal with them in earnest.
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
i think up until then they'd only really tried running and uh, running.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
xps to mordy, feels like in early show they were referring to reemergence of white walkers as in they have been keeping to their land beyond charted geography. Also the wall people referred to the number of horn blows having a code where three blows was white walkers but nobody had heard three blows for a thousand yrs or something along that line
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 1 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
err that should have been xp to polyphonic instead
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 1 June 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
i only made it to webelos in cub scouts, but iirc if you're close enough to be killed, you're not scouting correctly
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
Hope all those dogs got safely on the boats.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 June 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
So the Walkers have sorta leader-type guys? Time to buy them off with some Dornish wine!
― schwantz, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
Also, not sure about the "we'll give you some land" plan for the Wildlings. Is that on the West bank of the wall?
― schwantz, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
it looks in the map like if you go west enough you can just walk around the wall. why didn't the wildlings do that?
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
The wall is really more for the Wildlings, I think. The mountains in the west are supposed to be pretty rough going.
They'd get farming land in the Gift:
The Gift extends immediately south of the Wall, stretching from the eastern to western coasts of Westeros. The southern border is roughly at the same parallel as the southern tip of the island of Skagos (slightly further north than the northern edge of Bear Island). The Kingsroad runs through the middle of the Gift, as it passes from Winterfell to Castle Black. The Gift is bordered to the south by the lands of House Umber, which are centered on their castle-seat at Last Hearth.
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
what's going to happen to the indigenous inhabitants of the Gift? is no one currently working it?
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
why don't u read the books if you're interested in all the ephemera
― Clay, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
There are probably a few left over who haven't been murdered by wildlings but it's largely uninhabited.
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
"if you want the answers to your questions why don't you wade through thousands of pages of terrible prose to find them?"
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
what's going to happen to the indigenous inhabitants of the Gift?
probably the same thing that happened to the farmers whenever Rome settled some barbarian tribes on their land.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
this is basically what life is man idk
― Clay, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Instead of reading the books you can just rewatch the scene where Jon Snow makes a speech about it
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
i kinda forgot that the wildlings just went on a pillaging spree through that area which i shouldn't have bc that little kid is obv torn up about it but i kinda tune out whenever he starts emo'ing
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
that little kid is totally going to try to assassinate Jon, right?
there was a scene just like in the 100 and the little kid killed the son of the President
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
u can just google any ephemera fwiw theres a wiki of fire and ice
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
tho asking the thread seems fine too
tho tbf the did explain what was up w the keep in this ep
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
the gift rather
i'm a terrible television watcher
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
i was thinking that the angsty kid at the wall will end up being good friends with one of the little wildling kids of the cool lady who sent them off in a boat and fought valiantly and then was transformed into an undead. then the kid will be like "now i can sympathize with jon snow's decision because i'm frenz with the wildling, and also now i like sam more too, cool"
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
that may be a too clean and heartwarming story arc ending for GoT, though
the moment he decides to open his heart to the wildlings some roose bolton mercenary bursts through the door, stabs him in the heart + flees
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
kid def seemed like he wanted to murder jon snow like everyone else
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
the lingering shot on the see-through young zombie boy that did in mama wildling sure did go on for awhile
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 June 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
oh shit, OR maybe the cool wildling who transformed into undead will come to face to face with her children. too paralyzed to move, angst kid will pull his trademark bow+arrow assassination+smirk+"fuck yeah, i did that" look, but then the abandoned wildling children will murder HIM and say "you know nothing, angst kid", full circle
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
xpost i agree, it went on for so long that i started looking inside the more transparent parts of his body, thinking there might be visual clues hidden in there somewhere
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
like a mystic divining for meaning in cow entrails
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Monday, 1 June 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
or the lead no one man, telling arya/lana to go somewhere and see...something
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
met my brother for lunch today and he recommended this series: https://grantland.com/tags/ask-the-maester/
p good if you have lots of questions but are never going to read the books - i had a good binge on it earlier.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
I'm never going to read the books, but I'm afraid those will spoil stuff that hasn't happened yet.
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
i heard the whole thing is off the rails now anyway
― Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
i know mastodon got a mention already for the music, did anyone clock their cameo as wildlings? :D
https://twitter.com/mastodonmusic/status/605433220256034816
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
i may work "you know nothing angst kid" into my posting repertoire
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
those articles are spoiler-free i think - they're done as a kind of review of each episode.
xpost to poly
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
i've read several and am fairly sure there were no spoilers
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:07 (nine years ago) link
dunno if y'all watched the animated histories - i thought they were really cool. prob mentioned here already but a good background to the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSuXBVv4ppY
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
Tormund is becoming a favourite of mine, he's pretty cool. Hope he tells more stories about getting it on with animals.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
I thought it was a pity they killed off the wildling woman chief - seemed a good character.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:24 (nine years ago) link
http://morningafter.gawker.com/a-closer-look-at-the-insane-battle-from-last-nights-gam-1708160269
I mean this stuff is pretty good too, I gueeeess
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
Birgitte Hjort Sørensen was good in the role. There was one scene where all of a sudden she spoke Danglish, which kinda fitted the role, but I'm allergic to Danglish. I've spent years learning not to speak Danglish. And it's everywhere at the moment, Hannibal, The Duke of Burgundy, and now Game of Thrones. It freaks me out.
― Frederik B, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link
I thought she was going for an almost Irish accent at one stage. Like a Danish person doing an English person's Irish accent.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link
aw jeez oi fookin hate thenns
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
is there any chance they'll have her back as zombie confronting her kids? in tv language they did leave that open.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
if they don't do it i will be very disappointed
so keep that in mind, GoT writers, you could be letting at least one fan down
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
hehe... anyone got any thoughts on what ramsay might do?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
die in a fire, hopefully :D
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
He is a horrible prick but I am enjoying the performance (albeit slightly less since someone posted his crap indie song here)
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
is there a Ramsey scene where he isn't eating something?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
Ramsay's twenty good men are literally his backing band and some roadies
― nashwan, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
He's going to rock Stannis within an inch of his life
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
i want stannis to fuck his shit up
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
I quite enjoy Ramsay too. He seems confident about his 20 men plan but it would be funny if it went horribly wrong. It would be interesting to finally see Stannis as a credible threat to all the other rulers.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
I fear he will get to kill Davos but hopefully the latter gets to do him some severe damage in the process (would rather have Brienne finish him off).
― nashwan, Monday, 1 June 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link
I'm worried Stannis is going to die, that chat with Melisandre where she reassured him of her visions was basically "got myself a new boat, called the Live Forever"
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 June 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link
hahah I just said that exact bit when the wildling woman was telling her kids she'd see them shortly
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 1 June 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link
damn, was hoping the giant would become a white walker giant and jon snow would be like 'oh fuk'
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 1 June 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
Stannis is super dead, the touching father/daughter bonding this season is the giveaway
― anonanon, Monday, 1 June 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
I still think Reek will do in Ramsay as the only possible way to get people to stop hating his fucking guts
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 1 June 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
Am I the only who misses Bran? I miss Bran. Bran was dope.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 1 June 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
nah hes too far gone
― tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 1 June 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
Sansa will stick him with that corkscrew she collared.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 1 June 2015 22:16 (nine years ago) link
i hope yr all wrong abt stannis
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 June 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
i can't believe we have to go back to that dorne story
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 22:56 (nine years ago) link
the illustration of the night's king here is so terrifying
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night%27s_King
― polyphonic, Monday, 1 June 2015 23:03 (nine years ago) link
eternal lol at the fanart on game of thrones wikis
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 1 June 2015 23:23 (nine years ago) link
i forget whether Dorne ppl are pro-Dany or anti-Dany
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:25 (nine years ago) link
The Mad King treated Elia Martell poorly so Dorne is probably not inclined to like her, but philosophically I think they're compatible.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:30 (nine years ago) link
The wall was built explicitly for white walkers--If humans lived north of it before the long night and bran the builder, they were not considered a threat on the order of the walkers. But as the walker threat dissipated and the number of wildlings grew (through migration mostly), the wall became more of a protection against the wildlings. The gift is largely unoccupied because wildlings raid it!
― max, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
ya, i'm pretty afraid Stannis is toast. or worse. possibly even his daughter.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:39 (nine years ago) link
wait what did the Mad King do to her? She was his daughter-in-law iirc. Dead Lannister patriarch had one of the Clegane boys murder her and her babies.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:55 (nine years ago) link
i hope stannis sacrifices his daughter to lord of light that wld be the best plot development since ned got his head chopped off
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:09 (nine years ago) link
wait what did the Mad King do to her?
jaime overheard the mad king violently raping her on the reg iirc
― Clay, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:14 (nine years ago) link
that was the mad king's actual wife, rhaenys iirc, not elia - not that it's any less hideous
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:21 (nine years ago) link
I had it wrong I guess!
The Martells themselves were enraged with the murder of Elia and her children. Oberyn wanted to continue the war and champion the cause of Viserys Targaryen, the only surviving Targaryen prince, but Doran Martell, who had succeeded his mother as ruler of Dorne, knew that they were not strong enough and made his peace.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:25 (nine years ago) link
yeah elia was aerys ii's wife
― Clay, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:30 (nine years ago) link
wait no she was the daughter in law
hard to keep these people we've never actually seen straight sometimes u know
― Clay, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:33 (nine years ago) link
anyways dorne folks mostly just despise the lannisters
― Clay, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:35 (nine years ago) link
reasonable stance to be sure
keeping this shit straight is a goddamn nightmare even on a casual level
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:41 (nine years ago) link
you guys are lucky they totes eliminated the kettleblacks and the family with the daughter who got raped and brain damaged during the kings landing riot
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:54 (nine years ago) link
it was interesting during the Dany/Tyrion chat than when he was listing the powerful families he did not mention the Martels, who would be the most sympathetic to her right to the throne.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:55 (nine years ago) link
him saying there's a way out is p much telling her "uhhh youre fucked you should probably confess," but saying "the work continues" is qyburn-code for "your zombie guardian is almost ready"
― slothroprhymes, Monday, June 1, 2015 3:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dude you have to please stop doing this in this thread, because even if you're joking you've already established you're an expert on the books or whatever and even winky half-spoilers or winky half-spoiler jokes are a drag
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 08:23 (nine years ago) link
Tbf, the zombie guardian has been shown on the show. More than in the books, iirc.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 09:34 (nine years ago) link
I wouldn't have considered that a spoiler until both of the last two posts.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 09:38 (nine years ago) link
Everyone should bear in mind that at this point book readers are speculating roughly as much as TV only people.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 09:41 (nine years ago) link
in theory
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 09:43 (nine years ago) link
Also I don't think explaining something that is entirely inferrable from the context of what has been shown onscreen is a spoiler.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 09:44 (nine years ago) link
it's still possible things from the book could happen, presumably. anyway i am not annoyed, i just think i wouldn't have thought twice about sloth's post until it was highlighted.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 09:44 (nine years ago) link
xpost i agree with you there - it was just like a normal observation about how he appeared, but not anymore!
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 09:45 (nine years ago) link
Also we're talking about a character who hasn't appeared in any other context other than the creation of a zombie Mountain, it was completely obvious that was what was happening in that scene.
Brilliant episode btw.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:00 (nine years ago) link
Yeah it was sick. The production values are just insanely high at this point.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:03 (nine years ago) link
I don't think explaining something that is entirely inferrable from the context of what has been shown onscreen is a spoiler.
I don't know, I don't feel like anything's entirely inferrable at this point, but either way Sloth has made it clear in several posts that he's read the books and has made a few hinty posts previously, so it jumps from "I wonder if my inference will play out the way I think it might" to "well I guess that's happening for sure"
I'm admittedly dim; I'll shut up if everyone's cool with it
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:18 (nine years ago) link
It's a very tricky balance to get right in this very unique situation, and book readers should probably err on the side of caution... However, one can definitely be over-sensitive to spoilers, I do sometimes wonder why the extremely spoiler-phobic go on internet threads at all.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:41 (nine years ago) link
See any later Doctor Who thread for examples of what I'm talking about taken to absurdity.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:42 (nine years ago) link
The White Walker/wight children were A+ nightmare fuel. Cold that they killed the mother.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:42 (nine years ago) link
It's like if I had accidentally spoiled say the Red Wedding for myself by reading the internet I'd be a little miffed, but it wouldn't have ruined my life, I'd kind of have myself to blame, and I'm sure I still would have enjoyed watching the episode.
narcissistic xpost
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:44 (nine years ago) link
Given that half the internet is talking about it, it's not exactly unreasonable that the spoiler-phobic would gather in a place that specifically says "(NO SPOILERS PLEASE)", in fairness.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:52 (nine years ago) link
Ha, fair point.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:53 (nine years ago) link
NO SPOILERS threads have the same problem as Quiet Cars on trains--someone always thinks what they have to say is so important that rules be damned
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:09 (nine years ago) link
if you've read all of the game of thrones books the appropriate behaviour is sheepish contrition, not banging on about it like you're a wise old sage
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:19 (nine years ago) link
apologies if ppl were ticked off by that - I thought it was v obvious based on stuff that'd already occurred solely in the show!
and at this point I am almost in the dark as ppl who just watch the show
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:20 (nine years ago) link
trust me i have no desire to establish source text cred or ruin anything for anybody; I've kept most really inside baseball stuff to the spoiler thread and sometimes it slips my mind
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:22 (nine years ago) link
It was nice to finally see at least one of the potentially world-changing threats mentioned almost every episode actually do something.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:59 (nine years ago) link
loved this shot
http://static3.uk.businessinsider.com/image/556c655bdd089549098b45c5-1200-750/four%20horsemen.jpg
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:01 (nine years ago) link
it was fine. ffs we know cersei gave him the mountain and there is a huge body on a slab occasionally moving shock scare comedy style and qyburn's done everything but lift it into the storm to be animated by lightning.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:20 (nine years ago) link
it's the fact we're discussing it that hints at a spoiler at all.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:24 (nine years ago) link
sure, they could have put that stuff on the screen for no reason at all
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:27 (nine years ago) link
not what i meant - i don't think anyway, to be honest i didn't follow your post.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Anyway, fine, I'm OK with being hyper-spoiler-sensitive.
Yeah, the white walker kids were where it went from "wow, this is a little Ray Harryhausen, a little Army of Darkness..." to JESUS CHRIST THAT IS TERRIFYING
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
it was funny how long they took to attack - like kind of indulgent but they got away with it. a bit like the boat moving at snail's pace.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link
I think them waiting for a very specific time to attack is sort of the point - the night's king knows he has a massive and obvious advantage so there's an arrogant show of force vibe to it. the walkers are showy, I mean they slaughter people and then arrange the corpses to form giant occult symbols early in season 3 (the second time we see mance rayder in the series)
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:19 (nine years ago) link
the moment at the end is also arrogant as fuck. "oh word, so one of you has one sword that can kill us? that's cute. now this is happening." *turns all the ppl his wights just killed into more wights*
― rather than allowing the music to possess us like a sexy demon (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:21 (nine years ago) link
ah i specifically meant the little kids - like they stood for ages looking at her, very slow compared to the frenzy of those happy little skeletons.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
ohhh. word my bad. i could easily wrong but i thought those were somehow children she knew (not hers, they get on the boat afaict) like maybe another wildling family - if only bc the show has previously portrayed the wights seeking out familiar people and settings as targets, like the wight that attacks lord mormont - and maybe that was the reason for that sadistic pause
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link
*could easily BE wrong, jeez
did the books have a few pages about the undigested food that could be seen through the ribs of that little boy zombie?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link
Lemon cake that could be seen through his boiled leather clothing
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
Wait, that's Valyrian boiled leather
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
That scene with the four horsemen posted above reminded me of a famous painting or sculpture (picasso or dali?) that features a rough, skinny / angular looking horse. Seems like it's a sculpture in my mind but I thought about it during the scene and now again seeing the screenshot. Anybody know what i'm referring to?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Donquixote.JPGpicasso quixote?http://www.theequinest.com/images/dali-horse.jpgdali's temptation of st anthony?
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
i was thinking of the Picasso but in my mind it was an actual metal sculpture. Thanks for the image/connection.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/quint/frazettadeathdealer2_big.jpg
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 9:34 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OK I'm seeing a lot of people read into this scene. Two main things are happening imo:
1) Horror movie trope of creepy children standing creepily for no real reason
2) They obviously worked quickly to establish that the wildling woman (Karsi) cares about the future of her children and the wildling children in general.
A) Jon mentions that their children will not have children of their own unless they join the south and this finally sways her.
B) She is specifically shown to be a mother (reinforces why she was convinced in the meeting) that cares deeply for the well being of her children.
After fighting very hard, the sudden sight of children as wights (in general) knocks the wind out of her because of the horrible future it represents for her own children and wildling children overall, and she is too emotionally broken to recover and perhaps even unable to bring herself to swing a blade at them. I don't think there's any reason to assume those particular children wights had any significance to her beyond that.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
sorry i feel like I wrote "children" a billion times in that post...
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
it looks weird to me now
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
thought the whole establishing a cool character so they have someone to kill to give the scene more weight while not actually killing anyone of consequence and also she gets killed because even tho shes a fierce warrior shes ALSO A MOM progression was kinda lame tbh
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
http://t.qkme.me/3r5v79.jpg
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
evan otm, that moment was powerfully self-explanatory to me, excellent storytelling of a kind I wish we could expect more often from these guys.
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
― Evan, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:51 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
as a copyeditor i would have to flag you for excessive repetition
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
it kind of bums me out that jon snow can't die. there are several good supporting characters in the wall/north of the wall, but if he was taken out, but if he died it would just fall apart. kind of takes some of the tension out of the apocalyptic zombie battle, although i guess there's always the possibility that tormund will die.
/whinycomplaints/
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
I loved the episode and the following isn't a huge concern of mine, but I think preferred the mystery of the white walkers prior to both this episode and the episode way back where the baby gets transformed via the icy finger poke.
I thought the white walkers were much more horrifying when they felt more like this empty, evil, humanoid force of nature that was just pushing south precariously along with the coming winter, like an unstoppable storm mindlessly pushing forward. But with these two particular scenes (especially this last one), with their outfits/gear and facial expressions/interactions, they're being painted as yet another rival culture looking to gain control, more literally human-like in motivation than merely supernatural-force-with-human-form with no real goal than just the compulsion to envelop life.
Just an observation, not a real protest.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
can someone explain to me quickly how the high septon suddenly has enough power to imprison the king's mother, wife and brother-in-law without any resistance
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
i'm kinda with you evan, although i'm hopeful that there will be occasional glimpses into the white walker's world that add more mystery and terror. like maybe there's a realization that the white walkers are just the most visible edge of whatever hellish cult is way up north?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Evan and Jordan both otm
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
I was a bit disappointed not to get white spiders the size of hounds.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
with no real goal than just the compulsion to envelop life.
understand what you're saying in general but thats still p much exactly what they are, they've merely revealed now that the walkers happen to possess rudimentary vicious emotions
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
totalitarian death cults can organize politically too!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 2, 2015 11:30 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a lot of it turns on the fact that the king is an ineffectual child who doesnt understand how to wield power, cearsi was using the kings power by proxy so that explains the wife and brother in law getting locked up part, then the high septon just sort of took her under that precedent, and since she alienated all potential allies and the king is in his room depressed shes stuck, it speaks more to a power vacuum than the sparrows having any real power imho, and will likely conclude with the tyrells seizing the iron throne since they have actual resources
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
tho i guess theres a larger show wide theme of religion gaining in strength too as winter appraoches
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
the natural loser in that trend would be secularism as embodied by the lanisters
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OP93UmgcfI
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants'_War
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
can someone explain to me quickly how the high septon suddenly has enough power to imprison the king's mother, wife and brother-in-law without any resistance― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 2, 2015
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
yeah the power vacuum thing scans for me but the whole "the king is too depressed in his room to do anything" thing for me really stretches the imagination
i mean basically anyone who would do anything has left king's landing but still, with everything we've seen and been told about king's guard throughout the series it's hard for me to believe that there wouldn't be an all out war happening
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
the septon plot would be way more convincing and satisfying if they would have spent a little more time building it up in seasons 1-4. they way it emerged powerfully this season over a few episodes makes it feel like a throwaway sidearc a la about a quarter of all battlestar galactica episodes. i'm still having trouble convincing myself that it's important enough to pay attention to even as they seize power and throw major characters into dungeons.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
everyone hates cearsi and the tyrells are working toward political rather than violent solution is m/l what it comes down to
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 11:42 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah but what I mean is they seemed to possess a mindless momentum, but now it is clear they actually strategize etc.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
It was mentioned that Kevan was back, and earlier in the season he didn't really seem to like the way Cersei was running things. I'm guessing he would be able to get her out if he really wanted to, but it's probably easier to try to fix things while she is out of the way.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 2, 2015 12:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well cearsi also convinced him that if he tried to free marjorie the religious fanatics wld kill her so its not like hes not doing it just because hes sad
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure this will be addressed shortly but is varys still waiting for tyrion to finish pissing?seems like he pretty likely would've gotten to dwagonqueen by now and maybe that would've come up while those guys were drinking given tyrion's oblique "this great honest man directed me here, fuck if i know where he got off to"
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
the whole dang royal familes in the relgious dungeons a p cool plot imo in that its very ~psychological~ tho i do agree w zach that it feels a lil rushed
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
It actually would be pretty funny if Kevan made some kind of alliance with the Tyrells and that their condition for backing him was that Cersei remain in prison. Basically everything currently is going great in King's Landing (Margery and Loras out of prison, the Sparrows are taken care of) but they just kept that one nun to go ask Cersei to confess from time to time.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
the White Walker 'kings' have always appeared to have had strategic thinking, haven't they? Their growing zombified army of wites have looked to be a mindless hoard - controlled to some extent by the Walkers, presumably.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
i'm kinda with you evan, although i'm hopeful that there will be occasional glimpses into the white walker's world that add more mystery and terror.
a few possible really cool things regarding the white walkers/evil king guy that could be explored are mentioned in the last paragraph of the first answered question here:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-the-origin-of-the-nights-king-the-wights-and-dragonglass/
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
i am kind of baffled by the knowledge in that column since i started reading it - i can't deny i'm enjoying the tone though, the jokes and the captioned photos are good too.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah, "Ask the Maester" is great. I've been enjoying game of thrones way more since I started reading it.
Also kind of amazed by the amount of background information contained in these books (which I haven't read).
― silverfish, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
we need a cliff notes GOT thats the length of one normal book
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
it exists and is called "the world of ice and fire"
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
sry cant trick me
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/World-Ice-Fire-History-Westeros/dp/0553805444/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433265209&sr=8-1&keywords=world+of+ice+and+fire
this is the primary source behind most of the ask the maester columns (aside from the books themselves and the dunk & egg novellas, of course)
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
the primary source except for these other thousands of pages of sources oh btw its also written by the same guy who cant get enough of boiled leather doublets, okay
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
lol, alright man
im not sure what you're protesting here! aside from GRRM's tastes in medieval fashion
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
bad long writing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
ah. well, yeah. i was merely saying that if you want something along the lines of a thrones-world cliff's notes, it does exist. but you can get most of the stuff you'd want to look up from any of the wikis, its prob not worth even the amazon price (let alone the publisher's price)
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
"Potentially anything dead that’s within the range of a White Walker’s power can become a wight."
http://i.imgur.com/PDDl7.gif
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
i enjoy the wikis and explainers but what if someone put it all together while preserving the good narrative qualties is all im saying, feel like we need to explore the possibilities of fan fiction here folks
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
There's probably lots of scenes of mysterious horsemen in the high distance but the one that instantly came to my mind was in Berserk when Guts sees Zodd up on the far hill ominously watching the battle, that was spooky in a very similar way.
I'm not generally into brutal and cruel stories but sometimes I find something satisfying about them. I was watching a fantasy authors panel on youtube and someone said the Camber Of Culdi series by Katherine Kurtz in the 70s was way more miserable than Ice & Fire books, and I was all like "gimme some of that!" My guess is that even though these things are prone to cheap shock tactics and sadistic author fantasies, these stories feel refreshing because we see too many characters surviving everything (I'm particularly sick of cliff edge scenes). Also read Joanna Russ talking about how she thought people liked horror stories because even if they're completely unrealistic, the unforgiving worldview of many of them rings true to the fans. A lot of Ligotti fans just can't get enough brutal pessimism; I don't understand it when it gets to that point.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
The Ask the Maester on this made a pretty good case, backed up by fake book history:
David asks, “If Cersei deputized the religious fanatics, ostensibly on Tommen’s orders, why is the king powerless to stop them? Can’t the king unauthorize Jonathan Pryce, and free the queen?”Sure he could. Let’s pretend for a moment that Tommen is a strong, able king, and not the kitten-loving mama’s-boy punk that he actually is. Simply declaring the Faith Militant disbanded is pretty simple. Getting them to actually put down their weapons is much less so. As I wrote after Episode 4, it took three Targaryen kings, backed by the might of full-grown dragons, nearly 50 years to subdue the Faith back in the first century AC. Remember the trial of seven from Maester Aemon’s section above? The only other time that we know such a trial was invoked was when King Maegor the Cruel and six champions fought off Ser Damon the Devout of the Faith Militant and six of their champions for control of King’s Landing and, indeed, the entire realm. That trial ended with 13 dead bodies and the winner, Maegor the Cruel, in a coma for 29 days. It would take roughly another decade of off-and-on war before the Faith agreed to disband during the reign of Maegor’s successor, King Jaehaerys the Conciliator.You could argue that since the Faith have only recently been rearmed, a sharp engagement involving the Lannister army and the City Watch could clear out the Faith Militant — at least in King’s Landing — with only a few thousand deaths. Like, a low-four-digits body count. Even if Tommen had the stomach for going down in history as Tommen the Butcher or whatever, Cersei has stacked things in such a way as to make that difficult. Tommen could send a raven to Casterly Rock, asking his uncle Kevan, who is ostensibly the realm’s Master of War, to send troops. That would require going through Pycelle — who would probably send the raven — or Qyburn, who probably wouldn’t, at least not without Cersei’s OK. Asking the Tyrells for help would make sense, but doing so would weaken his mother’s Lannister family connections and give the Tyrells a tighter grip on power. The real answer: Royal power exists in great part in the minds of those who are subject to it. It’s Cersei who has wielded that power and therefore it behooves everyone — like, on pain of death — to assume that the buck ultimately stops with her. At least for now.
Sure he could. Let’s pretend for a moment that Tommen is a strong, able king, and not the kitten-loving mama’s-boy punk that he actually is. Simply declaring the Faith Militant disbanded is pretty simple. Getting them to actually put down their weapons is much less so. As I wrote after Episode 4, it took three Targaryen kings, backed by the might of full-grown dragons, nearly 50 years to subdue the Faith back in the first century AC. Remember the trial of seven from Maester Aemon’s section above? The only other time that we know such a trial was invoked was when King Maegor the Cruel and six champions fought off Ser Damon the Devout of the Faith Militant and six of their champions for control of King’s Landing and, indeed, the entire realm. That trial ended with 13 dead bodies and the winner, Maegor the Cruel, in a coma for 29 days. It would take roughly another decade of off-and-on war before the Faith agreed to disband during the reign of Maegor’s successor, King Jaehaerys the Conciliator.
You could argue that since the Faith have only recently been rearmed, a sharp engagement involving the Lannister army and the City Watch could clear out the Faith Militant — at least in King’s Landing — with only a few thousand deaths. Like, a low-four-digits body count. Even if Tommen had the stomach for going down in history as Tommen the Butcher or whatever, Cersei has stacked things in such a way as to make that difficult. Tommen could send a raven to Casterly Rock, asking his uncle Kevan, who is ostensibly the realm’s Master of War, to send troops. That would require going through Pycelle — who would probably send the raven — or Qyburn, who probably wouldn’t, at least not without Cersei’s OK. Asking the Tyrells for help would make sense, but doing so would weaken his mother’s Lannister family connections and give the Tyrells a tighter grip on power. The real answer: Royal power exists in great part in the minds of those who are subject to it. It’s Cersei who has wielded that power and therefore it behooves everyone — like, on pain of death — to assume that the buck ultimately stops with her. At least for now.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link
Actually, Ask the Maester>the show>>>>>>>>>the books. I've really enjoyed his (?) writing, and his ability to convey tons of information in an entertaining fashion, plus under 1000 pages. Martin's writing is unfortunately not up to his world building, and the show isn't always much better, though I do appreciate how the latter cherrypicks what it needs to underscore and what it can just sort of ignore.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
I do lol at the world of Daenerys, Tyrion, Varys, Jorah etc having an Uncle Kev
― kinder, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link
I've heard people say Martin writes in very different styles. I remember someone who adored Fevre Dream that couldn't get into Ice & Fire books because of the style.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
tbf, Tommen did just get a PS4
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
is tommen bout-it bout-it for GTA 5 or is he more an MLB the show type guy
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:36 (nine years ago) link
um i'm pretty sure we all know tommen's just jerkin it in there
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
basically like that one episode of roseanne
http://newnownext.mtvnimages.com/2013/11/Roseanne-6-7.jpg
so are these the things that inexplicably attacked bran, et al when they arrived at their destination w the fairy ppl
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah those were wights
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
did the books have a few pages about the undigested food that could be seen through the ribs of that little boy zombie?― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 9:43 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkLemon cake that could be seen through his boiled leather clothing― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 9:47 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 9:43 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 9:47 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark
Lmao
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 03:40 (nine years ago) link
The white walkers were sick (i've forgotten what they're called in the books now lol grrm suck it) and i'm glad that only the leaders get that fake CGI eye glow
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 03:41 (nine years ago) link
U see why they need a giant fuxking ice wall now it's because the little walls get punched thru or overthrown
I like how logical it all is
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
the wall is big and good
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
Yah
I wonder if the walkers were attracted to the dragon glass
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 03:55 (nine years ago) link
I think they were attracted to Jon snow. He's really pretty
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 04:08 (nine years ago) link
Ya I would white walk for him any day of the very very very long westerosi year!!!!!
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 04:11 (nine years ago) link
wildling groucho pops up next to white walker holding a mauve mist blouse"winter is coming... but darling YOU are no winter; let's get you into something with some color"*offcamera arterial spray douses them*"well, red's hardly my color but you carry it well. in fact you're carrying me well. is that my neck in your mouth or are you just glad to see me", etc etc
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 04:20 (nine years ago) link
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 04:21 (nine years ago) link
Holy shit if this is legithttp://gfycat.com/DetailedMerryGermanpinscher
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 08:22 (nine years ago) link
I think it's very strongly implied that Tywin was doing most of the work keeping the Lannisters propped up and without him they're pretty short on muscle, especially having been just been through a war on two fronts, and with Jaime elsewhere there's no one who might rally people. And they're in mad debt. Basically she built them up because she was isolated and weakened and that's backfired.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 08:52 (nine years ago) link
What am I looking at there, a dragon? xp
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 11:49 (nine years ago) link
Pred ship
― nashwan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 11:56 (nine years ago) link
Oh please no
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 12:35 (nine years ago) link
While jokingly broached this past ep, show has not done a great job explaining why Dragon Queen wants to rule jack shit. Like, fuck Westeros, right? If anything, this season has really shined the spotlight on all sorts of places and people who couldn't give a poop about the Iron Throne.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 13:58 (nine years ago) link
it's her home and the seat of her dynasty's rule. makes sense to me.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link
they literally made a big show of explaining why she wants to rule westeros this very ep and the answer is she doesnt
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link
OK, so she wants to "break the wheel." Why? What does that mean?
Also, given that she is the Last Dragon (more or less), it's not like she even has a people who need a homeland. So she's just doing this to "free" Westeros? By way of her divine/dragon rule? She will rule over a free kingdom? I don't quite get it.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
review chapter seven in yr screenwriting manual
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
"break the wheel" = marxist revolution
― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
Dragons will probably come in quite useful during the oncoming zombie apocalypse so she's heading for power whether she likes it or not.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
her idealism will be further tested
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
"Break the Wheel" probably means a bunch of nobles w/o heads
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
the process of dekulakization needs to start w/ the boltons
― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
the fuck is that gif about?
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
something maybe flying in the right side of the gif that is probably just a special effects remnant but that ppl want to believe is an ice dragon
― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
or a hidden penis perhaps
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
r ice dragons a thing
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
rice dragons: a thing
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
cool
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
rice dragon it me
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
SPOILER
Shaheir Jibin @shaheirdesudesu 6h6 hours agoDaily reminder that Ice dragon exists in North of the Wall.
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
i searched twitter for ice dragon this is how i learn things
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
idk if there are ice dragons but there ain't shit in that gif, b srs
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
this is GRRM, of course at some point there's going to be a sequence where DRAGONS OF FIRE AND ICE CLASH
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51j1Kkx4IzL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
i dont think there shd be ice dragons i reject ice dragons
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
what about a wight dragon
― mizzell, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
def not, unacceptable
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_i_TYDXI
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
a dragon is a dragon and thats it as far as im concerned
wight dragon would be cool. i guess they would have to kill one of dany's dragons first. that is ok by me. can a wight dragon still fly and breathe fire? someone ask a maester
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
would maybe be more like a giant, flying AC unit?
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
Season 6 spoilers (NB not actually)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCr7y4SLhck
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
Speaking of computer games, this series always reminded me of old favorite "Myth: The Fallen Lords" & "Myth 2: Soulblighter". Some characters are eerily similar, actually. Probably a long shot that anyone else here ever played it.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
Lol Evan I've played it
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
I love the mythology of Myth II but I never played the original
excuse me, myth?
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
naw, i loved those games
Plain ol' warriors and archers = GoT footsoldiersBerserks = Wildlings maybe?Dwarves - idk I don't think any people in GoT blow shit upThralls and wights = White walkers obvTrow = wildling giantsMyrkridia = uhmmm the badass white walkers that can't be killed?
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
The Heron Guard were my shit
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
Tormund specifically is pretty much exactly like the Berserk, but yeah Wildlings in general as well.
Thralls & wights = wights
Trow (and forest giants from "Fallen Lords") definitely wildling giants.
For the white walkers, I'd say the "Fetch" look exactly like the Night King and "Shades" look like the others:
Fetch:http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110716154019/mythipedia/images/e/e5/M2_Fetch.jpg
Shade:http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110618065111/mythipedia/images/6/6e/Shadedrawing.jpg
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
That's some good shit. I wanna play now or maybe rewatch those sweet anime interludes
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
Still got them running on my computer. Great games. Severely overlooked.
Feel like the story was very gritty and the overall vibe matches GoT universe pretty well. Naturally minus the politics and emphasis on war with white walker army kinda feel though.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
Well, maybe not the story alone but more the game universe in general being gritty.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
Wight hordes falling off a cliff was A+.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
omg I can't wait for dragon fire killing zombies and white walkers! Which had better happen, if not soon, eventually - I can wait. Nice set piece but I hate zombies ugh ugh ugh burn them all from above.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
OK, so she wants to "break the wheel." Why? What does that mean?Also, given that she is the Last Dragon (more or less), it's not like she even has a people who need a homeland. So she's just doing this to "free" Westeros? By way of her divine/dragon rule? She will rule over a free kingdom? I don't quite get it.― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 2:15 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 2:15 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also quite ironical since valeria was originally their home but after the doom happened her ancestors went on to curb stomp westeros. might as well use the dragons to clean out the stone men and shit there and retake it amirite.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
guys its destiny dont over think it (tho obvs the show went to ample lengths to lay down the psychological motivation for dany too cmon be srs)
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
dany: i am... the mother of dragonsilx thread: pfft just stay where u r idgi this character arcs trope is really underdeveloped
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
omg I can't wait for dragon fire killing zombies and white walkers! Which had better happen, if not soon, eventually - I can wait.
hey we've already waited 6 (7?) years how much longer do you think they can milk it...
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
guys its destiny dont over think it (tho obvs the show went to ample lengths to lay down the psychological motivation for dany too cmon be srs)― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 5:32 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 5:32 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I refuse!
Also feel like her brother was way more motivated to get back then she was.. once drogo died it seems like she was like ok fuck it I guess I'll do it bc I got nothin else goin on..
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 1:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the show has been on since 2011 and it is 2015 last i checked, that is 5
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
she was mindfucked her entire youth re retaking the throne, after her brother died she still wanted to do it and convinced drago to get on boats, then drago died and at the point where all seemed lost she went into fire and came out with dragons which some ppl might consider a sign
this is in no was ambiguous or hard to understand
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
haha what can I say it already feels like forever. btw did you know winter is coming... eventually
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
fall is coming
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
Im just distracted by the idea of a full scale dragon invasion of Valyria now.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
If they do I hope they get the Pixies to appropriately rework Velouria.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
well, it's snowstorming in the north now, which it wasn't as recently as a season ago
xxp lol autumn already arrived! the maesters sent the season-change-announcement ravens at the beginning of s2
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
winter is definitely coming but since i haven't even seen mention of Back to School! yet (factcheckers?) i doubt it's even close at this point
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
Arya joined the faceless man death cult so she wouldnt have to go to 8th grade
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
reasonable
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
i mean who didn't at least think about it in midle school
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
i personally wasnt privileged enough to have that option
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
who will win the game of thrones?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
i bet there is a game of thrones risk. i would play that.
game of risk its good
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwtSdJaPCSI
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
Insert your own Westeros cities.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/214344?gclid=CI2f4seU9MUCFcQXHwodHJgAsA
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
there is also a game of thrones monopoly
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Se2J9v7Gao-CHUE-JzHo8EMlOnI%3D/1020x0/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3624324/got-monopoly-DSC_4622.0.jpg
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
that risk looks p good, more balanced layout than this terribly conceived planet we call earth. nothing obviously overlarge and overexposed like hopeless asia. i guess the reach and riverlands are a bit surrounded.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
altho i see now there are 2 boards, curious.
theme monopolys otoh are just mystery to me
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
ya was thinking the risk one might be interesting via the new layout
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
i like that the railroads are the houses and chance is valar morghulis.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
"pirates of the caribbean risk"About 1,830 results (0.76 seconds)
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
I might Ask The Maester if a giant has ever been turned into a wight. Maybe Wun Wun or whatever his name is will get to squish a few white walkers before they turn him blue.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
i might ask the maester about some personal health issues
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link
wight giant surely just a matter of time
― ogmor, Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:24 (nine years ago) link
A better "ice dragon" gif: http://gfycat.com/VelvetyDecimalFirebelliedtoad
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link
special effects on this show leave something to be desired
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
they certainly do if that is supposed to be a gdamn ice dragon
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:54 (nine years ago) link
lol seriously it just looks like a piece of tarp flapping in the wind
― Roz, Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:57 (nine years ago) link
That's just silly, if they had ice dragons, why would they need an army of the dead? Now, a zombie ice dragon, then we'd be talking. And instead of breathing fire (since that would make no sense), it could breathe a special chemical that disintegrates clothing. Though mostly on women. Also, it would feast on the most delicious of meals. Ice quail fragrant with ice garlic, with crispy ice skin cooked to icy perfection, dripping with ice juices, served with a frosty flagon of ice wine, drawn from the finest ice barrels north of the wall.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 01:24 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:22 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i loved myth II, i played the shit out it, i wanna play right now
― gbx, Thursday, 4 June 2015 01:32 (nine years ago) link
breathless nerdlingers screencapping this like it's L O S T ffs
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 4 June 2015 01:33 (nine years ago) link
nerdlingers be nerdlingers
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Thursday, 4 June 2015 01:34 (nine years ago) link
gbx i challenge u to an online match
― 龜, Thursday, 4 June 2015 01:48 (nine years ago) link
dorfs only
― gbx, Thursday, 4 June 2015 03:04 (nine years ago) link
JinC GRRM parody always funny
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link
ice dragons traditionally breath electricity iirc via my old monster manualgod i wish i still had that. i think i have the pdfs somewhere
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2015 03:43 (nine years ago) link
― gbx, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If you get your hands on a disc you can install and play using the 1.8 updates here: http://tain.totalcodex.net/mythii
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 04:11 (nine years ago) link
Just to check, we're discussing the possibility that Game Of Thrones, if it had an ice dragon, would be coy about it, y/n?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 4 June 2015 08:43 (nine years ago) link
You serious? This is a series that introduced two very existential threats - an army of magical snow zombies and dragons - and has literally kept them either locked up or off-screen for the bulk of the show while people doof around in Dorne or talk tiddliwink politics. I'm curious to see if this past ep has backed the series into a corner. After such a massive display of force and unbeatable evil, how can they simply shift back to mundane political machinations and expect that to hold our attention? At the same time, you can't have a snow zombie dragon battle every episode, either. It's kind of Walking Dead syndrome, all or nothing, with "nothing" meaning people in a room - sometimes sitting, sometimes standing - glaring and talking and for god's sake, no blinking. Never blink! Anyway, this show has much better writing and acting than Walking Dead, so at least the talking is compelling, but in terms of big picture I have no idea what they're up to. Keeps it interesting, at least, even when (as has been this case most of this season) it has not been terribly interesting.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 11:47 (nine years ago) link
― Evan, Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:11 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
I still have my original discs lol but no disc drive and I'm on yosemite?
― 龜, Thursday, 4 June 2015 12:09 (nine years ago) link
Our hero GRRM the Warrior makes a good but also terrible case for the sexual violence in Game of Thrones:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/03/george-rr-martin-thrones-violence-women?hootPostID=fd755821de73a6dbf75a0649e2b7bb1b
"I'm just the author and creator here. Who am I to argue with 8000 years of fictional history? Everything I've put in my books fake-happened already, so to excise or change it for the sake of contemporary sensitivities would be to do an injustice to fake historians everywhere. That women walked around with no tops on while fighting ice zombies and dragons let alone bearing the oppression of a stylized patriarchy where women are second-class citizens (except when they're not) is part of the fake historical record, and to re-write those female characters into more equitable scenarios would just not be right. You have noticed my fake attention to other fake details, such as fake food and fake geography and fake shadow cats roaming the forests? Well, multiply that by 1000 and you understand the task set before me. My hands are tied by the binds of fake truth."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
He is kinda right, that it would be wrong to sanitize history. But if he wanted to show people on the margins of the power-structure, I feel like he could skip at least a couple of the rapes, include a non-noble character, and tell the same story.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
LOL, sanitize history. That's why I said he made a good but terrible case. This is not the middle ages, this is his fantasy version of the middle ages. It is about fake people doing fake things. He can tell the story any way he wants to tell it, but the issue I and others have had is that the show has often relied on sexual violence as a lazy/shocking crutch rather than explore other, possibly better ways to convey the same horror/drama.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
he seems very much not entirely serious about that
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
I agree. But. It's a fake history based on real history, as is most fantasy, and there's a clear tendency in fantasy to makeup the fake history by making men less like violent assholes. But there's countering that, and then there's using sexual violence as a crutch while still claiming to be countering that.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link
u guys just go ahead and write that fan fiction youre dying to already, except not itt
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
What is the fake history to real history ratio of this show?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
60-60. Art can be like that!
― Frederik B, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:09 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If you can get get it installed with an external drive you should be alright. I run on Yosemite too.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
the only remarkable thing about game of thrones is that it's a true-to-the-grittiness-and-nihilism-of-real-history fantasy series. quite literally the only remarkable thing. without the dark violence it's just dragonlance w/ zombies.
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderlust_%28Dragonlance_novel%29 <-- Dragonlance with zombies
― DJP, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
lol ok, so without dark violence it's just dragonlance w/out kender
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
― Evan, Thursday, June 4, 2015 10:47 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sorry I should mention that you only need the disc to install iirc. I know for sure you don't need it to run the game itself beyond that.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
imo the big thing that sets it apart from the genre norms is its focus on politics economics and so forth which is also very gritty dark and lurid, so the violence is of a piece with that
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
plus the violence itself is more realistic than some hero narrative show where nobody just gets knifed in the back, regardless of era
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 June 2015 15:02 (nine years ago) link
Jacqueline Carey also does pretty deep political intrigue in her fantasy, only instead of "gritty realism" her trappings are "increasingly uncomfortable BDSM" (at least that's how Kushiel's Dart felt, never read the sequels)
― DJP, Thursday, 4 June 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
politics sure economics eh not so sure about that
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
After such a massive display of force and unbeatable evil, how can they simply shift back to mundane political machinations and expect that to hold our attention?
Because we've been watching these characters for five seasons and we're invested in them now?
It's been established virtually from the start that most of the characters are fundamentally petty-minded and fiddling with the apocalypse round the corner, I'm not sure this episode changes much from that point of view. Of the main political players, Stannis is the only one who really seems to get it, but then again some of the Wildlings didn't seem to get it until this episode.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 4 June 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
Stannis is no different. He only assisted castle black due to the red priest lady influence. Otherwise he's still just trying to establish himself as king.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
No, duty
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
I'm disappointed in everyone's lack of long-game ambitions. Clearly Stannis should be angling to become zombie snow king of the north.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
he has the crazy-ass red-haired sorcerer mistress pedigree...
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
I feel like there should be more magic in the show. If the people of Westeros know that magic is real, there would be a huge subculture who were all about that magic. They would easily be more powerful than the Sparrows. Plus, can't they bring people back to life? Seems like the family in power would capture some people who could bring their loved ones back to life.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
i think there have been indications that there wasn't much magic for a long time (coinciding with all the dragons dying) and now it's slowly beginning to reappear
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
economics eh not so sure about that
are you saying violence isn't tied into economics on this show or in general? because it 100 percent is in both...
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
after 5 seasons I have no idea how the economy in Westeros works apart from there being a bank that loaned the Lannisters a bunch of money. and the Lannisters have a goldmine that is empty.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
tyrells have the food
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
I read a blog that described the outlines of how Littlefinger embezzled from KL but it turned out pretty boring.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
I thought we clearly established it as a boobs & murder based economy
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
No Boobs For Oil!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
It's a murderers market right now.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
the economic elements havent really been fleshed out to the extent im assuming they are in the books but the point is an economy exists in a way it doesnt in say the lord of the rings
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
I don't think the show has pretenses of being enlightening wrt history/reality, the economic & religious elements just suspend disbelief a little. what sets the show apart is its storytelling, esp the big moments it builds towards which make things necessarily contrived. it's easy not to notice that this backward, beleaguered & enchanted world has inexplicably produced characters who are, with their secularism, haircuts & worldly fearlessness, not very different from us. the lack of difference comes I suppose from imagining people like yourself reacting to the setting rather than imagining how the setting might shape people. the idea of gritty realism is anachronistic & I can see why it might be jarring to have essentially modern characters committing medieval atrocities.
― ogmor, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
Plus dragons and snow zombies, don't forget them!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
I often wake up and wonder, hmm, how would I handle dragons and snow zombies? I think they would be very scary.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
try to get them to fight each other def
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
i think wolf hall does a really good job of contrasting a modern sensibility w/ a tudor sensibility
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'm reading it now it's great
― ogmor, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
wolf hall is so good
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
next she shd do one w dragons
if you paid even a little bit of attention to english history you would know that is coming up in book 3
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
spoilers much ffs
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
i have described wolf hall as being game of thrones w/o dragons to trick ppl into reading it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
real talk i am still waiting for the wolfs
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
Speaking of which, where is Nymeria
― polyphonic, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
"without dragons" is a surefire way to get people not to read a book.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure she's waiting for the CGI wolf budget to get bolstered.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
CGI wolf handler been waiting tables in the downtime.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
But Wildfire burns forever and you can just setup a burning wall that the Wights can't get through. It all seems pretty smple to defeat them. They can't swim and there is a substance that will burn forever and keep them away. I must be missing something.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
In the books, Nymeria is leading a pack of Boring Wolves (i.e. non-dire) somewhere in the Riverlands terrorizing the squares, and Arya occasionally experiences dream-visions from her doggeh's perspective.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
is the wildfire they used to destroy the ships still burning then?
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
Once wildfire takes fire, the substance will burn until it is no more. It will seep into most materials so that they take fire as well. Wildfire will burn even when floating on water, it is typically commissioned for use as a weapon of war, though alchemists will sometimes use wildfire torches as a display of power. The red priest, Thoros of Myr, fights with a sword covered in a thin layer of wildfire, which would burn for an hour.
Aside: For all of the poop people throw at GRRM's prose, I mean, it could be worse.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
so it doesnt burn forever you just cant put it out while it still has fuel left
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
that makes no sense but ok
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
there are things kinda like that irl actually
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
fire is a process, not an element but forget it jake its westerostown rmde
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
wildfire is the name of the substance jeez
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
if its just some highly combustible substance they've magically brewed up ok sure
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
thats what is
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
so - the more i look at that gif upthread from a few days ago – the more it looks like there's a dragon off in the distance.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
or maybe not. i dunno.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
Clearer screen shot here:http://www.projections-movies.com/images/petesdragon.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
idk looks like a scarf
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
the thing that bothered me is the fact that the Thenns shave their heads and don't wear hats. Looking at a map, they occupy the farthest north region with settlements, where presumably it is even colder than the wildling areas nearer the wall and the North of Westeros. All those people have hair, like as much hair as they can grow, and beards.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
thenns r crazy man
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
like is it just a fashion that weeds out the weak from the strong? if you can thrive without hair or a hat in a frozen wasteland, then you are part of the tribe, otherwise, fuck off and die
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
It's not heavily emphasized but it seems like magic is considered taboo as well, maybe even exclusively evil.
― ryan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
yea it is viewed as evil by the seven-gods faith, which dominates westeros
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
who are the seven gods anyway, like what are there names/domains (do I even want to know this...)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
I assume there's a Murdergod and a Boobgod but what about the other five
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
aggrieved young man god, politically savvy god, big ice wall god
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 4, 2015 3:58 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
mother, father, maiden, smith, warrior, crone, stranger
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
do you really want to know or just make jokes?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
The Father represents divine justice, and judges the souls of the dead.
The Mother represents mercy, peace, fertility, and childbirth. She is sometimes referred to as "the strength of women". Apart from human fertility, she also blesses crops with bountiful harvests. The hymn Gentle Mother, Font of Mercy is dedicated to Her praise.
The Maiden represents purity, innocence, love, and beauty. She protects the chastity of virgins, as well as protecting the innocent in general.
The Crone represents wisdom and foresight. She is represented carrying a lantern. Sometimes She is depicted as blindfolded.
The Warrior represents strength and courage in battle. He also represents people who are too lazy to google stuff themselves.
The Smith represents creation and craftsmanship. Grants workers the strength to continue their labors.
The Stranger represents death and the unknown. It is rarely prayed to.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
Medicullus Severus Somniculosus Verecundus Beatus Sternuens Fatuus
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
basically anyone who still reps for the "old gods" seems likely to be a decent person in the terms of the show.
― ryan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
dece gods imo
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
xp well except the boltons
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
oh right. small exception there
― ryan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
guess it's more a north v south thing
― ryan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
Their scars actually trap heat... yeah idk.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
xpost It's more about whether your ancestors were Andals or not I think.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
yeah, north/south -- Northerners are less likely to have come from Andal stock
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
xp re polyphonic's post.
I read that in Burrough's voice with the Material track as background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQc3T45pRWY
― nickn, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
Surprised how few folks wear hats tbh. Hard to see pretty actor faces I guess.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
the standard wildling outfit features a hooded jacket, the Stark women wore cloaks with hoods, my logic doesn't require a hat per se, but some form of head covering, which the Thenns don't appear to wear at all
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
yeah hats don't scan well on tv is the reason no one wears hats in the cold xp
― Clay, Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
that is of course nonsense loads of historical dramas are full of hats
― ogmor, Thursday, 4 June 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link
the thenn are probably warm all the time from eating human flesh
― 龜, Thursday, 4 June 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
it's really fatty and goes right to your forehead.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 5 June 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link
so - the more i look at that gif upthread from a few days ago – the more it looks like there's a dragon off in the distance.― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall)
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall)
Nah. Watched that scene again last night on big TV and it's just shadows on the smoke
― groovypanda, Friday, 5 June 2015 07:53 (nine years ago) link
the dragons you don't see are the scariest
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 5 June 2015 13:57 (nine years ago) link
Upon rewatching I wondered if Jon, Tormund and friends constantly had their eyes on the boats in case they were all taken before they could leave. Wondered why people were punching each other when the dead started attacking. It didn't look like they were just trying to get past each other. Maybe some were trying to restrain others from going towards the wights?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 5 June 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
Punching each other? When was this?
― Evan, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link
when they were arguing about whether or not a scrap of tarp was actually an ice dragon
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
When the wights started attacking and most were leaving in boats, Jon and that wildling woman had to hit aggressors to get up towards the gate. Not clear why they were fighting. I guess either they wanted everyone to leave quickly as possible or they were wildlings who were against what Jon and co were doing generally that day.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
I think they were just trying to go upstream in a frantic crowd of wildlings that were desperate to get on the boats.
― Evan, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:52 (nine years ago) link
BTW they were also fighting wights that had already made it past the gate.
― Evan, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
prob just punching while the punchings good
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:56 (nine years ago) link
jeez stannis not cool
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 8 June 2015 02:52 (nine years ago) link
https://threeheadedblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/falcor.jpg
― calstars, Monday, 8 June 2015 02:55 (nine years ago) link
maybe the worst episode of the series?
― calstars, Monday, 8 June 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link
q to people who know westeros medicine - is jorah giving everyone greyscale?
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 8 June 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
I'm pretty sure you have to touch the infection directly.
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 03:15 (nine years ago) link
welp that broke the episode 9 streak pretty definitively
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 8 June 2015 03:37 (nine years ago) link
i don't like Stannis anymore.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 June 2015 03:49 (nine years ago) link
Not really clear on what the fire "tells" him as a result of the sacrifice...
"Show us the way"
So either they're trying to get the god of fire to say "thataway" in a literal sense, or otherwise somehow except it to show them how to win?
"OK thanks for the child sacrifice. yeesh... anyway, so what you do is take 500 men to flank up north. Then, fire some arrows over the southern ridge, cause... (etc)"
Or does it just give a vague magic 8 ball answer to their vague question? Would it just show an image of Stannis sitting in Winterfell giving the thumbs up?
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:01 (nine years ago) link
i don't think it was meant to show them anything. it's a sacrifice sacrafice, that's meant to assure him victory or kill his enemies through a really bad flu or a falling satellite or something like that.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 June 2015 04:20 (nine years ago) link
are you not entertained
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:26 (nine years ago) link
brutal but gr8 episode imo
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:27 (nine years ago) link
then again I've been in the tank for most of this season aside from episode 6 bc I do not pick the nits
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:28 (nine years ago) link
xps upthread yes you need to be in direct physical contact with active greyscale (stannis can touch shireen's face bc her infection is gone, only disfigurement remains
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:30 (nine years ago) link
I guess I'm just going by the previous "visions in the fire" stuff. Figured it worked the same here.
Xposts
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:31 (nine years ago) link
the idea is that it would both provoke a precise vision and also influence the outcome. like think of it as the equivalent to juicing in sports
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:34 (nine years ago) link
while also reading the opposing team's playbook and getting live advice from a genius ex-coach
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:35 (nine years ago) link
respect stannis for going for the gold
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:52 (nine years ago) link
at this point I know nothing - they're entirely off-book w his plotline so the following is CATEGORICALLY NOT a spoiler - but calling it now shit is gonna end real bad for stannis
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 05:00 (nine years ago) link
that ep was p fn dire all around
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 05:01 (nine years ago) link
i hope stannis is successful that wld really be the darkest possible turn the show cld take
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 05:03 (nine years ago) link
never ending story otmthis one kinda sucked.incidentally, the whole badassery of the unsullied has been pretty much completely undone by general plot pushing. These guys suck as bodyguards
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 05:11 (nine years ago) link
they were never billed as being individually brilliant to a man the whole idea is that they're excellent as giant groups in infantry combat, they have said that from jump
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 05:16 (nine years ago) link
some like grey worm are pretty solid in single combat but many are not bc they're used to being part of a unit, and folks seem to be getting very literalist about their whole style idgi
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 05:17 (nine years ago) link
point being, an ambush is not really where soldiers who function best as a large collective siege weapon is going to shine and that is basically the whole idea! like it was in the alley
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 05:20 (nine years ago) link
*are going
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 05:22 (nine years ago) link
This one got me
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 8 June 2015 05:48 (nine years ago) link
u crazy for this one, stannis
― Clay, Monday, 8 June 2015 06:27 (nine years ago) link
i mean, it's as classic as classic gets, but iirc things didn't work out great for agamemnon
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 8 June 2015 07:03 (nine years ago) link
i hate dorne
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 07:09 (nine years ago) link
this episode was laughably bad. what has actually happened this season? p much nothing and even the massive ep last week was just the white walkers doing something.
the dragon riding looked awful and was just cheesy generally. and yeah, dorne is just a farce, did they really have to do all that just so the prince of dorne goes to westeros?
most storylines are just going around in circles, like just as arya is about to do something she ends up in one eyed-jack's, daenarys is still just dealing with the same shit of how to rule, over and over again. stannis is stuck where he is so onion knight has to go back to castle black to ask for another episode's worth of an alliance with the knight's watch. presumably that'll happen so they get to actually have something happen in the finale.
worst season so far by a long way.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 08:30 (nine years ago) link
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/06/08/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-9-review-the-dance-of-dragons/
this review is absolutely hilarious - from the amazing opening punchline all the way through.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 11:13 (nine years ago) link
Lol at that review "You guys ruined Stannis for me!"
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 12:58 (nine years ago) link
Maybe Stannis can go on a quest with some misfit and we'll forgive the child murder like with the King Slayer
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
...who returned to King's Landing only to rape his sister-lover in front of the cold corpse of his nephew-son...
So do we really think Jorah gave Daenerys a House In Valyria?
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 13:29 (nine years ago) link
it's the way they keep going back to it over and over. it reads like an onion opinion piece entitled "I will never accept the sacrifice of Stannis's daughter".
I’m getting angrier as I write. It’s a thoroughly cruel and stupid decision on the part of Weiss and Benioff. The worst they’ve made in the entire show’s run. If I were more prone to rage-quitting, I might rage quit now and be done with this nonsense. As it stands, well, I still enjoy the show quite a lot. I still like what they’ve done, changes and all, even if I hate this change.
And besides, I’m a critic first and foremost and a fan second in this role. As a fan, I will swallow this bitter pill and move forward. As a critic I can do little more than shake my head at the utter horror not just of this scene, but of the showrunners’ decision. What a joke.
time to move on. or is it...
Perhaps his death will be one of the few happy things we get this season, which has become so utterly bleak thanks to the stupid, stupid decision of the show’s writers to have Stannis kill his own daughter.
Granted, Stannis killed his own brother, but he had no real fondness or love for his siblings. The only place his cold exterior ever chipped and melted was in the presence of his daughter, and he let the Red Priestess kill her. But I digress.
later
I kind of like this change, minus a few quibbles with the whole lack of basic security measures thing. It’s certainly a better change than Shireen being murdered by her father at the stake
What did you think of the episode? Am I overreacting to Shireen’s death?
i mean i get that it was a horrible scene but the fact was this episode was too shit for it to have the impact it deserved.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 13:37 (nine years ago) link
jesus fucking christ Game of Thrones this might have been .... too much.
― akm, Monday, 8 June 2015 13:40 (nine years ago) link
charge it to the game
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 13:53 (nine years ago) link
ya this ep was unflaggingly brutal maybe they r just gonna punish us the rest of the way, we are bad we like dragons and deserve to suffer
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link
not sure where the rest of the season is headed, also thought this was a bummer ep, but wasn't surprised by the daughter sacrifice. i actually thought that scene was well done, given that it seems they could have gone deeper into the image. people getting sad over stannis is pretty funny, remember how he chopped davos' fingers off? and sired a demon that murdered his own bro? cmon dudes
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
yeh stannis was introduced as a madman in thrall to some kind of bloodthirsty god, i suppose the fact his god is real and has effects has made that seem like less of a negative thing but it's still been there
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
stannis is good stannis is very old testament
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
im glad the giant made it even tho he seemed sad
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link
yeah stannis is actually a pretty interesting character since he seems to have an authentically medieval mindset.
felt like the whole thing could have been set up better than it was, however. the cheap reversal stuff (I love my daughter! burn her!) is one of the bigger flaws in the writing for me.
― ryan, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
sir davos not gonna be happy abt this!
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
i wonder if the sacrifice will bring forth some more powerful magic force
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
He kinda knew which somewhat limits the fuss he can kick up. xp
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, June 8, 2015 10:15 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
To be fair there's a bit of a discrepancy between this and those other things. Renly thing was brutal but both are adults fighting for power. Shireen is just so perfectly innocent and lovable and they went out of their way to establish the father daughter connection. Stannis kept her from being banished because he loved her. We were relatively JUST introduced to this side of Stannis, perhaps the only evidence of him making a decision due to love. And that's the real issue I have, is that it feels like that should have been established much earlier so we have a good chunk of time in between where we see desperation and reliance on religion break down the practical minded Stannis to the point where he's reduced to this. I think they may have tried to do exactly that but rushed it a bit?
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
Hard to stay practical when you've seen the smoke monster from Lost come out of a woman's vagina.
In certain ways the tension between his practical sense and new found religiosity could have encompassed all that but they've never really showed him agonising over it, just witty sardonic barbs.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
u guys better get to work they rewrites arent just gonna rewrite themselves
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
As someone who hasn't seen this ep yet but is familiar with Stannis from the books and the show, this seems like a necessary correction to remind viewers of exactly who Stannis is and the inexorable, insatiable drive for power that has consumed him since the kingdom went up for grabs.
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
isn't stannis burning ppl the first time we see him?
― ogmor, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
he was angry and needed a shave
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
he does love to burn ppl
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
he's basically Roose Bolton redux and always has been
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
stannis has principles, or at least he thinks he does, this is very important to him
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
i liked his speech to his daughter abt fulfilling ones destiny even if u dont like it, hes all messed up inside
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG9Cur9UQAE0_Bf.jpg
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
idk if inviting the whole army to watch was the best idea stannis!
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
why has he got no hands?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
hardly the time for that kind of carry on
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
I'm not clear on what the religious/metaphysical significance of the burning is supposed to be. roose has no sidekicks to bounce off just his toady psychopath son, w/ his arya scenes swapped w/ tywin he isn't much of a character
― ogmor, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
act like nothings going on someone will notice and laugh soon lord of light willing xp
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:16 (nine years ago) link
lol willing
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
what the big climax thats gonna happen next week what sort of fresh horror r we being set up for
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
stannis all sacrificed up and ready to fight, jamie on his way back to kings landing unaware of the legal developments, dany riding around on a dragon while tyrion and the crew fight for their lives, sad wildlings at castle black
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
most likely shockers lanister or stannis based imo, maybe cersei will be executed
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
are the night's watch going to help stannis? i figure since this ep was such a damp squib they need to have a big sequence next week...
but it's hard to see how they can return to king's landing and do a battle at winterfell in one episode, so presumably stannis will just self-immolate or something.
xpost yeah it's one or the other
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
most looking forward to dany finding out jorah's sick and banishing him for a third time
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
maybe sir davos will finally turn on stannis instead of being a big huffy baby all the time and knife him in the back
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
then the red witch brings him back to life as zombie stannis
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
Jorah goes full greyscale, retains his faculties, because renowned Westerosi superhero Grey-Man
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
the army becomes a cool extreme religious fervor army w the red witch in charge
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link
i think aria is gonna kill that kings guard guy (merrill?) and the rest will just be scenes of people on boats/horses traveling toward s6
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link
Cersei and Margery are put in the same cell, with sexy results
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
um more like a hot extreme religious fervor army, they worship fire! xxp
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
im leaning toward cersei being executed i think thats whats gonna happen, they need to throw us a bone after all this darkness, rip bae
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
otm xp
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
when has this show ever thrown the audience a bone
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
um a lot of times like for instance the purple wedding
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
think cersei will be executed but then immediately after uncle kev will come in and kill all the sparrows.
― Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
tywin xxp
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
sounds abt right xp
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 8, 2015 10:21 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
giant has quickly become a top character for me
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
how could he not be
he's so tall
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
hes very tall but he cld be short for a giant we dont have enough information at this point
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
thats a good pt i should really be more cognizant of the varieties of giant existence
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
giants are ppl too (not sure if this is true)
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
giant will win the game of thrones
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
giant too big to sit on the iron throne iirc
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
Can't wait for Bran to worg the giant
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
i would consider my investment of time in this nonsense worthwhile if i get to see a giant fight a dragon
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
bran shd def worg the hell out of the giant imo
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
im a simple man u know i have simple tastes
i was surprised how vulnerable the dragon was to getting stabbed with spears
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
i was thinking abt that but i think the answer is he's still technically pretty young and should continue to become more and more imposing and less and less vulnerable to hand held projectiles
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
dragons are maybe like ears in that they never stop growing? idk never really studied dragons v seriously
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah it really seemed like one more spear and he might have died
xpost maybe you're right, he just needs to learn that in life people will throw spears at you
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 8, 2015 11:46 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was pretty concerned for the dragon but my wife (who is much more engaged in asoiaf than i am) was like don't be ridiculous
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
Jorah goes full greyscale, retains his faculties, because renowned Westerosi superhero Grey-Man― DJP,
― DJP,
The Grey Gargoyle, turning people to stone men at a touch.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 8 June 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
maybe that kid will kill jon snow wld be cool
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, June 8, 2015 11:49 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is my understanding
xp im assuming some big is going to get got this season, so jon snow is def in the mix
still betting its stannis though
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
we can have it all all our enemies and favs can die in the next ep everything is possible
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, June 8, 2015 11:44 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
irony throne
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
Arya ends up on the Iron Throne, the White Walkers get worged by Bran, Rickon rules Winterfell, everyone else dies
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
it's quite cruel how "i am dying of a horrible disease" has knocked "i am in love with you" off jorah's list of things he needs to tell calisi
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
tbf jorah is a former slaver & he betrayed the lady to whom he swore an oath, so he kinda has misfortune coming to him
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
what if everyone dies
― nose, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
irl?
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
― nose, Monday, June 8, 2015 12:36 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
GRRM hopes to demonstrate that nobility, morals, honor, love & duty mean nothing in a world where a giant comet destroys everything.
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
rickon is riding the red comet
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
no way will they just kill cersei, it would be v anticlimactic & not the show's sucker punch style at all - if they were going to kill her she'd have a much more hopeful arc at the moment not crying lapping water off the floor. I think she'll break & fuck over jaime in the process. high sparrow wld much rather have the power of breaking her than the risks of killing her
― ogmor, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I think Daenerys riding Drogon away was just as much for his safety as it was hers. He's technically still a baby.http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2014/5/17/fern_draft10a.pngBalerion was the largest of the dragons used to conquer Westeros but he'd been growing for over a century and Dany's dragons don't have that kind of time.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
ya hes basically elephant sized now what a noob
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
the flying shots looked embarrassingly bad but the closeup stuff looked pretty cool
― Spottie, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
i enjoyed dany communing w her dragon it was good
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
idk abt special effects everything happen in yr imagination actually, all effects r special if u believe hard enough
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Complaining about shoddy SFX feels weirdly passé to me unless we're talking Scorpion King 2 or Nollywood bad.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
considering its television theyre pretty great
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
game of thrones whole aesthetic is very much "bad special effects"
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
when ur in winter everything is very dire gray digital filters as stannis burns up his only child
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
Gonna go back and watch an episode of Xena just to be sure I'm not setting the bar too low.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
feel like rob stark has prob done this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1hM-k3aUY
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
or the actor who plays john snow
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 8 June 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
thats a clip from the red wedding iirc
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
is dany waiting for the dragons to grow up more before trying to take over westeros? it became really clear to me this episode (tho really this has been a good question for a while) that dany is stalling for time until the narrative is ready for her to invade. so now she has all this free time to preside over the fighting pits and squabble w/ local sectarian religious groups, etc. but it can't be doing wonders for her army to have them being whittled away by all these ambushes just to- what? - return some level of stability to this city she conquered? she should take her army while it's still pretty strong, load them up, and march into westeros. it's not like the timing is going to get better.
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
she talked about breaking the wheel which should really mean there being no iron throne/central seat of power - maybe her 'plan' is to take it then immediately destroy it and fly off
― nashwan, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
ok but still what better time to swoop in and break the wheel than now? why wait another year or two for her armies to erode further? afaict she's not like actively recruiting new infantry.
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
She just lost two of her three best warriors and her strongest dragon almost got murdered by a bunch of nobodies. I don't think the timing is quite right atm
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
I think Dany's army is far too small at this point to match the forces of Westeros, which is why she's banking on popular support. She views freeing this city as a sort of testing ground, where she shows the commoners what kind of queen she will be.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
xxxxxxxxps to sloth re unsullied: i dunno man, these guys are getting killed left and right by everybody; seems like you pay for an army of gelded death machines maybe they're okay at stopping a bunch of landowners in masks with daggers?
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
and if the unsullied are exceptional in the field of combat and terrible at asymmetrical urban warfare - maybe ditch the urban occupation and utilize their strengths?
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
how are they in the snow
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
they know nothing
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
maybe this is just a story about how an occupying power with the best of intentions cannot compete w/ an indigenous, guerrilla organization. do we even get the sense that dany is acting aggressively towards putting down this rebellion? it seems like she's spending all her time watching battles and getting married and not enough time conducting midnight raids in parts of the city sympathetic to the revolution.
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
think the issue is, and was raised here before, that this army of masked dudes is kind of unbelievable. where were these guys, for ex, when all these cities were being taken over by lightly armed, recently liberated, and (most notably perhaps) untrained former slaves? seems like they are this limitless supply of highly trained assassins that just materialized to present a challenge (i.e. weak writing)
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
Her government has been really bad at identifying the bodies of the people who were trying to kill her. You'd think they could trace a few of them back to their families?
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
well they all look the same with those masks on
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
seems like a thousand guys attended a heavily guarded arena with masks proving they're part of a rebellion army stuck in their capes and the omnipresent militia didn't notice at all, no biggie
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
this is how the security state gets started
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
Never before has a tv show bored and depressed simultaneously like this season of GoT.
― Darin, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
Next thing you know Dany's going to be tapping ravens
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
don't get me wrong though: i think getting indignant about those kind of plot inconsistencies is sorta pointless. like, there's a fucking dragon in this, it's okay if there's some hard-to-believe construction in the storyline. but that applies to the whole STANNIS IS DEAD TO ME stuff too; dude has been burning people from jump and they telegraphed this coming for three episodes. ;
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
I think it's pretty lol that people warmed to Stannis after a couple of scenes of him not being a complete prig
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, June 8, 2015 2:24 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean i will not discount the possibility of being totally wrong thinking there's a real reason & the show just flipping the script/allowing them to be the subject of ambushes for lazy writing reasons, but the show is generally well-plotted/thought out esp. re: world building and detail shit (if not always plot) so i figured there was an in-world reason. friend of in conversation also suggested that having their freedom (such as it is) for some time now could've made them a bit out of practice?
but of course could just be yadda-yaddaing to get to the next point on dany's map route. then again if it gets us out of meereen not the worst thing? lol
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
unsullied just need to get some swords instead of those sticks
― lag∞n, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
maybe tyrion will invent guns
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
he'll unveil them at the next fighting pit tournament with the words "WELCOME TO THE GUN SHOW"
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
you don't need to be bailed out by your flying dragon if your army of dickless wonders are actually wonders i guessthis has been, in general, an off season but hey: zombie fight in the /with the snow! that buys you several hours of patience.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
*& the show is just
realize i just contradicted myself bc i did not proofread before clicking post - better phrasing: the story is well told and the world well built but the moment to moment gears of plot can sometimes jam. something like this could be an example of that and benioff/weiss are just like "ehhh let's just get through the next pages" when they come to minor but annoying snags
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
The Stannis thing is also hilarious; basically because dude was nice to his daughter, half the viewers forgot that he's a total Tywin/Roose-style bastard who is in it for the power.
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
The unsullied were a slave army working for some lame regional warlord. They're tough, but they're not legendary badasses.
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
it's to the show's credit that it can continue to shock + anger viewers. it's not really to the viewers' credit tho.
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link
xp uh, i dunno about thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHfyW1Efiiw
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
stannis and sheerin relaysh was the second time there was a moderately heartwarming exchange between a father and a scorned offspring, followed shortly thereafter by the father at least trying to kill them (tywin and tyrion the other iirc)
― nomar, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
xp these guys were supposed to master the shield, the short sword and the three spears. Only one boy in four survive training. They go out and kill babies in front of their mothers and pop off nipples like pringles. They seem fairly legendary to me.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
sounds like bullshit to me. I bet 3 in 4 survive training.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
Yeah would be a lot less irritated by unsullied use/swordlessness if they hadn't gone so far out of their way to hype them up in that scene.
Feel like he could just as easily have drugged one specific dude for the nipple trick though.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
lol at unsullied truthers"okay but have you ever SEEN that they have no balls?"
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
spears can't melt steel beams, folks.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
― tsrobodo, Monday, June 8, 2015 2:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It was just a pepperoni. Classic salesman technique.
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
Damn, if these guys can kill babies they must be real tough
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
I'm pretty confused about the sons of the harpy now tbh.
I thought this was a perfectly decent episode, though it felt like the last scene was episode 10 material. I think every season but 4 ended with dany and her dragons?
― nomar, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
sons of the harpy are like the Baathists in Iraq after the US-invasion--if they were all ninjas
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link
exactly - a fair amount of them are prob pit fighters who were out of work (may have said this weeks ago), although just bc the fighting pits are open doesn't mean they dont want to overthrow her for a lot of reasons
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
The bit where the harpies had Dany & co. surrounded and were hesitantly attacking one at a time really reminded me of this...
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/article/game-thrones-fans-shocked-after-some-little-goblin-50606
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
I found myself being concerned about the quality of Arya's cockles and clams which she seemed to cart around all day in the sun. One character in the brothel said they were "fresh", which I found hard to believe. Anyway, that brothel scene was not only ugh but didn't really go anywhere. I expected Arya to be drafted into service by the madam when that guy kept wanting someone younger. But no, she was shooed out and that was that.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
i was a bit surprised to see dany's husband unceremoniously killed, i assumed his timid chump thing was a cover for some association with the rebels but nop there he is getting stabbed up without even a hint of resistance
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
Or maybe he was a rebel but got stabbed up cause they think he's annoying too
― tsrobodo, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
Also the way they built up Bronn's punishment over two scenes - and it turned out to be a punch in the nose?
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
seems like ppl are glossing over the pedo brothel scene bc of their outrage over the stannis daughter auto-da-fé, but if ever there was a time to complain about needless cruelty towards women in fiction that would seem to be it.
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
idk but am hoping that dorne is just over now, that cersei's kid comes home and jamie too (or they both die) and nobody ever speaks of dorne again
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
xp you can't get as many easy #takes written out of that scene, salon writers v bummed today
it was a defensible scene at first (yeah these dudes would prob go to a foreign brothel), then pointless/OTT bc it's like "well of course this person we established as a blindly loyal sadistic little shit has to ALSO be a pederast before arya can kill him"
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
that said, it does track w/ why he was so eager to be sadistic to sansa at joffrey's command back in season 2. it was ALWAYS meryn trant doing that, not any other kingsguard knights
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
but nah we didnt really need to see that and it was uncomfortable af
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
dorne sounded great when it was presented as a paradise of free-thinking hedonists, but maybe oberyn was the only fun one among them
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
xp prob just trying to remind you that he's a shitty dude since there are so many other minor shitty dudes that he could easily be a shitty tree lost in the shitty forest
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
Game of Shitty Forests
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
a friend of mine tuned into GoT for the first time ever for this episode and was like "uh, no".
― akm, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
nothing like the penultimate episode of a serialized drama in its fifth season to find out if a tv show is for you
― Clay, Monday, 8 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
tbh, this show rarely registers as entertainment with me anymore.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
I like to wait for shows to end and then watch them backward to see all the characters rise from the dead
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
except for the characters who actually rose from the dead... they will unrise back to living.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 June 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
giant vs mountain
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
can someone explain without spoilers what Arya's doing and who the people coming off the boat were (Gatiss is Iron Bank guy but can't remember the others)?
― kinder, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link
Mace Tyrell of the lollipop guild was there to negotiate finances. Sent by Cersei and accompanied by Meryn fucking Trant.
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
The bigwig is Mace Tyrell and the other guy is the guy who helped kill Arya's sword-fighting teacher in season 1. I assume she wants to kill him or something.
― Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:16 (nine years ago) link
Gatiss is Tycho Nestoris.
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
ok thanks!
― kinder, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link
also thanks to that linkArya is side-tracked from her quest to poison the Thin Man by a familiar face: Meryn Trant. Trant, you may recall, is one of the viler of Joffrey’s King’s Guard (now Tommen’s King’s Guard.) He was the perfect lackey to Joffrey’s cruelty, a mad dog kept barely in check, and the knight who showed up to take Arya prisoner when Ned Stark was arrested. Her Braavosi sword instructor, the great Sirio Forel, saved her life then, but died at Trant’s hand. He was one of the first on Arya’s ever-burgeoning to-kill list.
― kinder, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
Meryn Trant is on Arya's list but not on a girl's list. a girl is going to wash out of faceless man school.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
genuine lol ^
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:20 (nine years ago) link
prob just trying to remind you that he's a shitty dude since there are so many other minor shitty dudes that he could easily be a shitty tree lost in the shitty forest
I have completely forgotten who that guy in the brothel was.
― Matt DC, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
he's still meryn trant
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
Shit he's been in every season without having registered with me in any major way at all. I thought that honour was reserved for random wildlings and interchangeable members of the Night's Watch.
― Matt DC, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link
this show excels at the "remember this completely unremarkable character? well NOW you should!" switcheroos
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
why do you watch it then
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
that's no way to talk about the true heir stannis
― nomar, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
Meryn Trant is on Arya's list but not on a girl's list. a girl is going to wash out of faceless man school.― resulting post (rogermexico.)
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
I don't anymore, I just read this thread
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
why if meryn is the true test, seems pretty coincidental that this thin man likes his oysters at that exact dock, a girl might be getting set up for her true path
― nomar, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
What if
can't help but think of the thin man as "Mr. Vanilla Oysters"
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, June 8, 2015 4:42 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they're not completely unremarkable at all tho
― nose, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:49 (nine years ago) link
I didn't camp out on the Mad Men thread and ask people "why are you so enamored of smoking sexist and racist white people" for years so I don't fully understand the mindset of people who do that on the threads of shows they don't watch
― DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
each thread gets the morbs it deserves
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
the cast is hugely unwieldy at this point, that yr supposed to recall minor characters who bored you to tears a couple seasons ago because now they are all of a sudden thrust into the center of the action is v lolzy
Mad Men would occasionally bring back random minor characters too, but there I think they did a much better job of being careful about framing those characters' roles in the show and making sure they were all both recognizable and distinctive
(btw DJP when I said I stopped watching it I meant as of two weeks ago)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
It does seem crazy that he's been in 16 episodes, but then again he rarely speaks.
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
Still don't recognise Meryn Trant's name or face or remember anything he's done.
― Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, 8 June 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link
i've literally never been bored by game of thrones
the dorne stuff is definitely of lesser quality than other scenes, but GoT has previously demonstrated the ability to take seemingly meaningless interactions and turn them to key plot elements. i also think they just haven't really found the right voice for those characters yet, doesn't mean they won't in episodes to come.
same goes for the bran quest stuff in seasons past, wasn't my favorite but not unenjoyable. by nature GoT is a big, varied show.
― nose, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
How did greyscale infect Shireen via a toy if you can only catch it if you touch the infected area.
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
teddy ruxpin with real human skin
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 June 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, June 8, 2015 3:48 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
clapping my hands at correct use of penultimate here
― 龜, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link
can't they just interrogate all the blacksmiths and find out who's making those masks. where do those masks come from there's an awful lot of them maybe they fell off a truck??
― 龜, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link
incorrect tho
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link
correct if you're just talking about the fifth season right
― 龜, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
― polyphonic, Monday, 8 June 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link
I think with the Dorne stuff they were overestimating how much we love watching Bron, no matter what he's up to
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
Xpost Pedantultimate then
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 23:34 (nine years ago) link
Surprised you all forgotten Trant (actually I haven't counted who had forgotten, so maybe it was just two of you), he was in this season and we were talking about him weeks ago. I forgotten about him killing the teacher but I remembered he was a horrible bastard.
Did that dragon run out of fire? Hope most of those Harpy guys are dead. Dany doesn't look too secure sitting on the dragon.
Quite surprised Selyse came to her senses about her daughter. I predict maybe Davos kills Stannis. But whatever the case, I hope Davos goes elsewhere.
I'm underwhelmed by the show from time to time, wish they crammed in more but certainly never bored. Some other shows are better overall but none have had me as invested as GoT. I loved Mad Men a lot but I would've easily avoided the final episode if that were a condition to keep watching GoT. I'm proper hooked.
Don't know why but when I started this show I thought it would cover more years and generations and I'm a tad disappointed we're not following Bran's grandchildren now but I can't fault them for that.
but if ever there was a time to complain about needless cruelty towards women in fiction that would seem to be it.― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 20:27
― Mordy, Monday, 8 June 2015 20:27
Trant taking the young girl away? Just this episode you mean?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 01:13 (nine years ago) link
And I was generally a bit underwhelmed by this episode because more big stuff seems imminent than the final episode will probably be able to handle. If all that happens is Cersei and Stannis dying, I'll be quite disappointed, because the cast really hyped up the final episode.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 01:20 (nine years ago) link
I forgotten about him killing the teacher but I remembered he was a horrible bastard...
You didn't forget. The nerdlink posted upthread is jumping to conclusions. Ser Meryn led the group of guards we last saw Syrio Forel fighting. We don't know what happened after that. Syrio is presumed dead, and probably is, but for all we know he's Jaqen.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 01:32 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I just seen that theory on the Thronecast show tonight.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 01:40 (nine years ago) link
― DJP, Monday, June 8, 2015 5:53 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel like it wldve been worth considering tho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:17 (nine years ago) link
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the fighting pit!
― mick signals, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:54 (nine years ago) link
a mad dog kept barely in check
Oh reviewerpaws. Dude's just an empty vessel through which others (Joffrey, the writers) manifest cruelty, not even a one-dimensional character like Ramsay.
Syrio is presumed dead, and probably is, but for all we know he's Jaqen.
NOOOOOO don't tell me you're one of those!!! :(
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:53 (nine years ago) link
syrio is dead as heck
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:57 (nine years ago) link
How apt that Dany cuts and runs when the going gets bad.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 05:00 (nine years ago) link
xp Yes but pretty sure in both books and show, Arya (and hence our viewpoint) runs away from the fight without knowing whether Syrio was killed or not.
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 05:02 (nine years ago) link
Just finished this episode.
Kind of expected either Tyrion, Jorah or that beard guy to get killed by a random spear while they were watching daenerys fly away on her dragon drogon
― silverfish, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 05:09 (nine years ago) link
I expected them to get during touching moment when Dany touches the dragon's cheek.
― nickn, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 05:20 (nine years ago) link
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Monday, June 8, 2015
lol no i am not. I just value precision enough to get my hackles up at "Her Braavosi sword instructor, the great Sirio Forel, saved her life then, but died at Trant’s hand." tolerate a little ambiguity, nerd. also learn to spell Syrio.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 06:36 (nine years ago) link
that beard guy was killed by getting knifed though? unless you mean someone else?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 09:00 (nine years ago) link
Are there other giants? Where do the giants hang out?
In a show with hit-and-miss FX, the stuff they do to integrate the giant with the rest of the cast is really impressive.
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 09:42 (nine years ago) link
This show's FX hit rate is higher than any other ever.
I think there's only one giant left now. Let's get to the real questions tho like its toilet requirements. Maybe he can lob it over the wall.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 09:57 (nine years ago) link
yeah I think the giant's depressed cos all his friends are dead
― Number None, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 12:54 (nine years ago) link
there was only two or three before, right? maybe he feels free from having to always spend time with them
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 12:56 (nine years ago) link
Holy fuck. Had no idea this was happening and imagine it will be an absolute car crash:
http://www.mtv.com/news/2125668/shannara-characters-roundup/
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
just watched ep9 last night. i know it's just tv and who cares about special effects but looooooool at the dragon flying scene. that was terrible
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:05 (nine years ago) link
"Syrio is presumed dead, and probably is, but for all we know he's Jaqen."
i watch this show but clearly not closely enough because I have no idea what this sentence means.
― akm, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link
I meant the guy who was played by a different actor a couple of seasons back, whose name is completely escaping my mind
― silverfish, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
you mean Dario
something to do w/ Aphex Twin i think
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
yes yes I got sucked in by the couple of "Stannis not being a complete cunt" scenes & i guess hadn't banked on him burning his own daughter, feel free to point and laugh :(
poor shereen i was not prepared for that
ok I know the unsullied are more yr en masse fighting unit etc but when someone says PROTECT YR QUEEN maybe more than 3 surround her ffs?
i thought the dragon stuff was p dope, idgaf abt the effects as much.
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFbp1CzVW6U
Honestly, I'm not completely sure why everyone thinks this scene looks "terrible". Maybe it's because that shot of her face as she flies away has that green screen backdrop feel by default but besides that I'm not sure anything about this is objectively that badly done. I give this scene a score of "got away with it".
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
http://csm.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/aphex-twin-mask-370x215.jpg
― nose, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/a2ObDsh.png
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
lollll
xxp it's perfectly fine, ppl just have no capacity for wonder in this jaded age smdh
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
i admit that i just have a problem with flying dragons. the 'daenerys rides the dragon' moment has been obvious ever since people started calling her Mother of Dragons, and i've been dreading it ever since. there's something just unspeakably cheesy about it. but that's just me. but beyond that, there's also her terrible acting. i thought it was getting a little better over the last year but now we're back to square one.
someone has betrayed you!*makes the daenerys face*your army has conquered a city!*makes the daenerys face*you're riding a dragon and it's amazing!*makes the daenerys face*you realized you forgot to report a substantial amount of income on your taxes! you might be in trouble!*makes the daenerys face*
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
ive always thought emilia clarke basically been good - & i ride w the targaryens 4 lyfe despite the quagmire of her current storyline - but she hasn't been like, forceful since season 3 and the first few episodes of season 4. the scene w/ tyrion in "hardhome" was her first really rich scene this season and ppl could argue that stemmed more from the dialogue itself than how emilia clarke was reciting it
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
brb, setting this to a house beat
― DJP, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
Perhaps maybe her face seems to be so distinctive and same-y because of her distracting cartoony eyebrow work.
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
xpostthese are also things that paul yells during the outro of hey jude
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
danerys flying the dragon reminded me of harry potter quidditching or w/e
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
I think the usage of cgi is probably only going to increase as the show goes on, so it might have these difficulties more often.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
perhaps the actress playing daenerys will be replaced by cgiand a house beat
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
Unless dragons and white walkers die off unexpectedly soon
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
via amon: http://gfycat.com/MajorEarnestGraywolf
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
memes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
Emilia Clarke has always been terrible, and the dragon riding scene was the cherry on top of a turd cake.
The green screen with Tyrion watching her fly away was lolzy too.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
what if she was nude all the time? just spitballin
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
I was wondering about the row of spikes on the dragon's back where she ended up sitting. Maybe in juveniles they're soft and bendy.
― nickn, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
yeah was thinking like an iguana
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Yah those spikes iddn't look great
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
I wonder if Armin Van Buuren is pissed off that the week he releases his banging remix of the theme tune is the week they burn a kid alive.
― Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
it does maybe feel like the writers are thinking "how can we top the shock of the red wedding" and Sansa / Shareen is what we got
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
i thought my good old friend The Maester's criticism was on point:
What bothers me about the scene is that it’s based on a character acting in a way that’s counter to how he’s been depicted all series. Stannis has been depicted as one of the greatest generals in the realm. He held the Storm’s End against a one-year siege by eating rats. So if the device that gets Stannis to the place where he’s desperate enough to burn his only daughter and heir alive2 is (1) some snow and (2) a sudden and convenient ineptitude at doing war stuff, that feels off to me. Stannis, “the greatest military commander in Westeros” per Davos, is in enemy territory, on the march toward a belligerent castle, and for some reason (i.e., to make this scene happen) he doesn’t have scouts out or watchmen guarding the camp or have his army — made up largely of professional mercenaries who themselves should know better — in the state of alertness necessary in a war. Also: Ramsay is now a ninja. I don’t buy it.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
i just watched How to Train Your Dragon 2 two days ago (which sucks btw) and the dragon riding in that was more believable.
― akm, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
let's put our worst actor on top of a CGI dragon called drogon, what's the worst that could happen
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link
They annoy a few ppl who like to complain about the trickiest CGI shots on TV - that is the worst that has happened.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
stannis have watchmen they were mentioned in the episode even, they failed due to im guessing low morale, and snow aka winter weather has decided a lot of wars like for instance the second world war, and all the greatest military commanders in history have eventually lost usually due to overreach which is what stannis is currently doing as has been amply explained and dempstrated, the maester is subscribing to an overly deterministic world view, wldve prob called napoleons defeat in russia unrealistic
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
but the maester has read the books so he is like a god to me. he knows things! he knows!
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
Stannis has never been depicted using magic and shit to get an unfair military advantage
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
feel like he shd just stick to explaining book things like this is really not strong work
Crackpot theory: A few years back, when Thrones showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss met with George R.R. Martin in Santa Fe so that the author could map out his story to its end — beyond what exists in the books — Martin, in the great tradition of J.J. Abrams, Carlton Cuse, and every writer everywhere whose job is to literally make things up as they go along, just kind of told B&W a bunch of bullshit. I mean, not total bullshit. That’s harsh. But, like, he’s sure of the solid brickwork of those story points, with the gaps mortared together with some yada yada. Again, that’s a writer’s job. And, really, who among us would not go so far as to build a 700-foot-tall wall of bullshit once the six- and seven-figure checks started flying to and fro? Is Martin going to be like, “No, I don’t really know the ending. I guess I’ll give the money back.” Do you really think the whole reason he hasn’t finished the books is because he writes slowly?
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
xpost - I feel like Stannis views himself as a tragic, biblical-style character, and sacrificing his daughter is just the latest in his series of trials and hard choices that he has had to make in order to save humanity or whatever.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
i mean hes not writing the books because hes famous and busy now and wld rather ball around the world is a much more resonable answer thats backed up by reality than he cant come up with the story
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
bad writers expounding on how writing works<<<<<<<
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
concepcion (netw3rk/the maester) is def reaching to find really authoritative sounding reasons why he didnt like the scene when he could've just said "i didnt like it" but hey where be the clicks in that
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
(tbf any other explainer column that had such an ultimate conclusion would prob resort to the same tactics, i don't think concepcion is a full-stop bad writer more like trying too hard)
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
writing is magic / game of thrones is magic / someone hire me to write episode recaps jk id rather work in the fighting pit
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 2:01 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i mean he cldve just said it felt like it came out of left field, which wldve been fair, instead he was all "the timing matters because context matters." and "Of course bad things happen on Game of Thrones. But when you arrive at those things through contrivances, it cheapens the shock. It’s about consistent storytelling." which is bad writing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
i thought the scene was good tho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
his general point is correct i think - that it was a rushed event in the context of a crap episode. i agree the scene itself was good but some of the blending of storylines this season has been awful. last week's ep was the first time they got it right.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
Yeah early on I argued myself that just a little more desperation between the scene where he establishes his dedication as a father and the scene where is he burns his daughter alive would have helped. Not a huge criticism just figured it would have worked better.
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
feel like theres an inherent unexamined tension between the legions of amateur plot experts and their constant refrain of this episode was bad
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
A certain kind of recapper is obsessed with proving, at great length, that plot developments he doesn't like are objectively bad storytelling.
― Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
lag∞n otm
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
yeah i mean to some extent we all think about things that way but hardening those views into some sort of empirical theory of plotcraft is just lame and anhedonian especially coming from ppl who clearly have no idea what the heck theyre talking abt
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
the av clubbing of criticism
wait hold on a sec
who are the legions of amateur plot experts forming an empirical theory of plotcraft? also can there be a spinoff show about them because it sounds like they're up to big things
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
various critics, various folks on this borad
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
theyre everywhere... including this thread... v spooky
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
yeah people should stop criticising the plot of got until they've made five seasons of game of thrones themselves
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
perhaps you also shouldn't criticise plot critics until you've attempted to criticise a plot yourself
they should be burned alive
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
if only there was a way the common man could experience the plot of game of thrones and thus have an opinion on it
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
you all of course free to criticize the plot all you want
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
I'm trying to figure out if Stannis the Law Abider and Stannis the Religious Zealot are compatible, if being a Law Abider segues into buying wholesale into Melisandre or if there's a disconnect
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
i'm just waiting for either stannis or roose bolton to kill each other, because there can't be two characters that look the same and hail from cold northern places and both participate in the throne game and are completely insane. enough is enough.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
come on, man, no one is making /that/ much of a hardline stance against criticism, no one is being dave eggers here telling ppl only writers can critique other writers
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
i don't think it's anhedonian really tbf - personally the decreased enjoyment comes first, then the wondering why - i hardly think it's a rare pov to think this season has kinda sucked. the show has always juggled the diff storylines p well albeit with an obvious difficulty of cramming so many arcs into 50 minutes or whatever. watching it this season it feels like it's finally got a bit too much for them.
xposts yeah slothrop i know nobody is being that bad, i'm kind of messing, but i guess if that's not what people are saying, i'm curious what variation of that it is. as i say - not too controversial to think this season has is kinda flawed.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
id just like to be able to talk abt a tv show on ilx from the perspective of watching it w/o the weird prosumer expert complex angle
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
we shd def to an autoreplace for arc
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
showrunner, trope, callback
thank god we're finally discussing the critics' critics' critics; was afraid this was gonna be about something stupid like the girl riding the dragon away into the sunset
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
right on time
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
Stannis is from an island on the east coast.
wow - many xposts
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:17 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel like stannis has clearly made the decision to sacrifice rules for principles where they diverge and its causing him a lot of stress!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
poor stannis he's very stressed :(
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
needs 2 chill, davos shdve suggested just kicking back w a brew instead of attacking
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
also if I were the 20 dudes in the night i probably would have just burned stannis's tent
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:24 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean those terms do have their applications, but obviously are overused by numerous folks
i think there's a reasonable compromise to be reached between not criticizing stuff and criticizing it in a way that creates tablet-carved objective standards of What Televised Storytelling Is and What This Means to TV As A Whole And Society and all that shit - ideas which inherently involve so much subjectivity - and i'm not sure many critics do that well. (alan sepinwall is one of the few tv critics who can talk about that macro stuff w a sense of perspective while also being an incisive critic of scenes/performances/writing etc. others can do one or the other maybe usually not both.)
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
feel like their strategy was pretty good except they didnt know stannis cld just sacrifice his daughter to fix everything xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
ramsay is dumb, prob stupidly holding out for some hope of getting to kill stannis in some public fashion to make his daddy love him
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
cldve just not known where stannis was too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
wish they would have shown some of the ramsay raid stuff, i'd much prefer that over whatever is happening in dorne
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
its sad that dorne wasnt cooler i was looking forward to dorne for years
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
i liked her speech abt how incest was nbd in dorne tho, also when he got elbowed in the face, and when she dumped the wine out, the dornish seem like goos folks
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
dorne kinda looks like a real ren faire in a way that the other ren faire-ish places in GoT don't
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
like the jousting tournaments don't look like a ren faire jousting tournaments they just look like a jousting tournament? dorne is like, welcome to dorne try your luck with the wheel o fate for 2 farthings, and don't forget to try the lemonade
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
as if this thread ever gets that detailed - like a few lines on plot among the discussions of the show itself hardly counts as everyone playing the critic - but even if it did, that would be what people were discussing. also maybe if this season wasn't so shit people would be more hyped to talk about it - like i don't recall much dissection of last week's ep cos it was good.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
little known GoT fact is that there is a guy chomping down on a giant turkeydog in every dorne scene, if you look closely
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
that was supposed to be turkeyleg but a turkeydog may be involved as well
dorne was basically just there for the mission we didnt really get to be immerced in dornish life like we had longed for
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
a turkeydog named torkdyg
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
stannis is about what he thinks is right rather than the law per se. if the two diverge he will go with the former. his spirit word is "should". the spiritual dimension of should is fate and all the mystical bullshit has dragged him too far in that direction so that should be king > shouldn't burn your kid alive.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
Maybe the Dorne stuff was like the Braavos stuff in Season 4... we get a little taste of what the place is like, and perhaps later Dorne will become important to the core story. It may be the ideal place for a last stand against the walkers if it comes to that.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
well said xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
tbf it is warmer there even in winter i'd guess, that could maybe fuck w/ the walkers
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
i don't think it's spoilery to say that the introduction of dorne and crew is not for nothing in the grand scheme but the way the show went about it was a bit more rub even than the way the books did. still i don't mind the dorne stuff, i like the flavour of it. i guess reading the books you are sort of trained to roll with weak tangents.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
Probalby should have been more scorpions to make it mor realistic
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
i liked dorne more when i thought that the people there would be similar in temperament to oberyn, but everyone else there seems to be permacranky.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
too italian not enough spanish
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
I assume the importance of the Dorne stuff will be the symbolic "enemies can get along if they overcome need for revenge" thing
plus if there's a sincere alliance with Dorne, maybe the Lannisters will be able to climb out of their ditch
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
also they needed jamie out of the house so cersei cld hit rock bottom
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
I'm assuming the Dorne stuff will get more important at some point (next season I guess). Oberyn's brother seems like he could be an interesting character if they give him something to do (he seems like a smart and rational politician, much like Tywin).
― silverfish, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
he seems like a person who might care about other ppl so i assume hell be assassinated and replaced by a sociopath
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
the plot twists on this show are good enough to send viewers into a tizzy every few episodes - ppl don't write thousands of think pieces about writing/television that isn't doing its job correctly
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
It used to, I think it's been resting on its laurels this entire season.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
Really, how?
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
q: didn't dany only marry hizdahr zo loraq to solidify her rule bc he was seen as an emblematic figure in the landowner former slaveowner community? so was he stabbed bc his marriage to the abolitionist was seen as a betrayal? were we supposed to wonder if he was leading the harpys but this indicates he wasn't?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
It's hard to say what the motivations of the various characters in that scene are given that Hizdahr doesn't die in that scene in the book (and it doesn't play out the same way in general).
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
x-post: Yeah, that weird plot twist really sends you into a tizzy, with so many unanswered questions to mull over at length, perhaps in writing. I guess the writing really did it's job correctly on that one!
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
your post is written in a snarky tone but i don't understand what the snark is. i haven't argued that him dying in that scene was a product of bad writing.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link
ppl who write their own versions of television shows are not critics fyi, they are fan-fic writers
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
I'm just kidding. Killing off Loraq seems weird and not really thought through, like a lot of changes they've made.
Speculating about better versions of things you dislike is something critics does all the time, btw. Ebert used to do it over and over.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
this is the best season bc no bran
― ogmor, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
feel like occasionally they shd cut to him so we know he is still inside a tree
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
well...this is not really a spoiler as such, but if you go through every episode of this season, you will see at some point there is a tree with eyeholes shuffling around in the background.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
that bran always up to something!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
bran isn't in this season because he has puberty squeaky voice and he just doesn't want to see anyone, period, not even his family, because what's the point anyway and how is it possible that he feels everything at once, but also nothing?!!
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
bran needs a copy of the downward spiral stat
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
leaked photo of bran in season 6:
http://i.imgur.com/qNuqmbh.jpg
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/7/79/Bran_stark_dreams_by_teiiku.jpg/450px-Bran_stark_dreams_by_teiiku.jpg
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
Is that Arya?
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link
I was into Dorne via Oberyn, and then when I saw Doran was Alexander Siddig aka Dr Bashir from Deep Space Nine, I was momentarily oh hell yes
but nope. zzzzz. Dorne more like Bored.
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link
It's the illustration on Bran's wiki page
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 22:26 (nine years ago) link
it's my backpiece
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 00:20 (nine years ago) link
Just a quick question going back to this scene with Stannis' camp getting attacked - did we actually see guys burning their camp? I sort of thought that was maybe triggered by Melisandre to kickstart the kid-burning. I can't remember how the scene played out visually - I just remember a wide-shot with a bunch of tents bursting into flames seemingly at the same time; it seemed vaguely supernatural. Did I just miss a shot of the attackers?
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:08 (nine years ago) link
that's what I was wondering too
― kinder, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:10 (nine years ago) link
I don't think we saw anyone setting fires, but the previouslys reminded us about the Ramsey 20 so it was to be inferred it was them
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:32 (nine years ago) link
I thought the fires definitely felt supernatural; I certainly felt like it was Melisandre's fault.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 10:44 (nine years ago) link
ok, then they needed a scene where Ramsey and his 20 men showed up and saw all these tents burning and went wow someone else got here first lol let's go home!
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 10:47 (nine years ago) link
can't believe we're still asking "what if sawyer was the horse" type shit after all these years
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 10:56 (nine years ago) link
LOST really fucked with ppl, man (myself included)
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:06 (nine years ago) link
in terms of approaching ambiguities and things not made clear, they always have to mean something
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:09 (nine years ago) link
Of course it was Ramsey, if Melisandre could just magically set things on fire don't you think she wouldn't just, like, melt the heavy snow or rain fire down on Winterfell or someting?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:54 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:56 (nine years ago) link
I guess it's in character for Ramsey to do a crappy half-job.
I'm having great difficulty keeping up with who is who and who did what this season, more than previously. I'm blaming the baby.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:57 (nine years ago) link
If it weren't for the Renly thing my suspicion would be that Melisandre = a fraud. It would at least be a good plot twist if it emerged that Stannis killed his own daughter for no reason.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
This show sure loves killing kids
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 13:24 (nine years ago) link
it's giving people what they want
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 13:26 (nine years ago) link
I guess it's in character for Ramsey to do a crappy half-job
His plan worked perfectly - they only wanted to send an intimidating warning and fuck with Stannis a bit more without the trouble of a full on military manouevre as discouraged by Roose.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 13:26 (nine years ago) link
they burned up all his food and weapons!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 13:28 (nine years ago) link
stannis just like yeah burn my shit whatev, here i'll burn this kid, who gives a fuck
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link
xps iirc Melisandre also drank poison with no ill effects when we first meet her tho
― anonanon, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 13:57 (nine years ago) link
I think after the rape and the child murder they're going to have to have someone neglect a dog in the finale to be shocking
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 13:58 (nine years ago) link
ha
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link
Sansa's going to stamp on a kitten.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link
we don't have the 'previously on's
― kinder, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
not ser pounce! xposts
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
if the "previously on" has ser pounce in it i'm done with this damn show and its torture porn. fuck weiss and benioff.
But it makes so much sense for the story! Ser Pounce must be "stamped"
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
dany gonna crush the feudal order and enthrone sir pounce spoiler
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
Ser Pounce is actually a Targaryen.
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
Ser Pounce is the best cat name ever.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
Isn't that Tigeryen?
― nickn, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
i hope we get ambiguous wolf action in the finale
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Thursday, 11 June 2015 05:21 (nine years ago) link
I guess it's inevitable that at some point they will run out of humans to kill, so maybe the final season will only feature animals
― silverfish, Thursday, 11 June 2015 13:10 (nine years ago) link
stannis's daughter bit was genuinely upsetting.
― hongro strulkington (dog latin), Thursday, 11 June 2015 13:18 (nine years ago) link
i found it less distressing than it seems many did, and certainly less than the sansa rape scene. i suppose human sacrifice to the lord of light doesn't quite hit my emotional triggers in the way that rape does.
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 11 June 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
wow save it for tmi
― lag∞n, Thursday, 11 June 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
Being in possession of a fresh daughter myself, I found it pretty bloody horrible.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 11 June 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
Willing to consider both the two most awful plot developments to have occurred in the show to date.
― nashwan, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
rude
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHJ2Yi6WMAERqy-.jpg
― lag∞n, Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
Surprised at so few mentions of the flayed old woman who wanted to help Sansa.
I don't think anything this season has really disturbed or upset me (apart from being stressed about the whereabouts of poor Varys). Not complaining or happy about that. I think maybe I would have been shocked by the burning if my sister hadn't been so certain Shireen would die. I think everything that previously hit me hard was unexpected.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I'm with you on flayed woman. Thanks for reminding me of that visual.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
Also lol Dany macro otm.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
the last thing that bothered me was oberyn dying, not so much bc i was attached to him but bc introducing him in the same season, building him up, having him fight for justice, have him almost win, and then die as an almost nihilistic punchline was a capricious bummer. since then i don't really care about what happens to any of the characters bc it seems silly to have an attachment that only exists to be exploited.
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 June 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
yeah supposedly that's like grrm's m.o., killing off characters to challenge your preconceived notions about storytelling or whatever, but i'm with you that it seemed like a lot of wasted time on development just to axe the guy and then vaguely follow his spirit this season with the nonsense dorne scenes that are universally terrible and seem to have no real impact on the larger story (at least thus far).
― head clowning instructor (art), Thursday, 11 June 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
i don't doubt that the everyone-can-and-will-die style of storytelling can be effective - i mean i'm still watching the show and at least some of that has to do w/ a sense of 'wow what will he do next' but you can overabuse that i think - the flipside to undermining people's attachments to characters is that they become less willing to be attached in the future i think.
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 June 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
rubbing yr face in how terrible and futile everything is seems to be a hallmark of the golden age of serialized tv
― lag∞n, Thursday, 11 June 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
The prospect of characters dying doesn't make me less attached.
I don't think any of these shows are full on miserable. There's still a lot of wish fulfilment and satisfaction to be had. If there was like a tv version of Principles Of Lust (the most ugly, miserable and depressing film I've ever seen), I might find that hard to take.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 11 June 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
Met a lovely, and enormous, white Alsatian a couple of days ago called Ghost. It's (elderly) owners claimed not to know anything about GoTs.
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Thursday, 11 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
I met a man named Tyrion Lannister the other day. Quite a tall fellow.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 12 June 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
Good to know Braavos has a modern tube service in place. Very efficient.
― hongro strulkington (dog latin), Friday, 12 June 2015 10:11 (nine years ago) link
Finally caught up with this ep, but must admit we watched it sort of out of duty and with little pleasure. Though at the end my wife busted out singing the theme from "The Neverending Story," which I guess made it worth it.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 June 2015 04:31 (nine years ago) link
who is going to die tonight?
think i am going w stanni
― head clowning instructor (art), Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
s
dragon / giant fight or i am quitting forever
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
i keep thinking stannis might die, but then i remember Melisandre. i'd guess like she'll have some sort of role to play (tee hee) during the battles/war against the white walkers, just because she's got the magic thing going on. seems like her fire witch spells + dragons + special sword materials that can destroy white walkers might what ends up saving the day at the end. and if stannis died, i can't see the army switching their loyalties to her, since she's creepy and keeps trying to sleep with people and advises leaders to burn their only children with at least some frequency.
― legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
man the iphone is awesome
― legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
Melisandre will invent the iphone and win the war
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
disrupt the white walkers
― lag∞n, Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
Letting Stannis die would be such a tv-version thing to do. He did what the red god asked of him. By the logic of the world he should be safe. So I'm going with everyone he fights against.
(We're so far away from the books, that I feel like I can speculate freely. #NoSpoilers)
― Frederik B, Sunday, 14 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
not that far away. pretty sure the person who dies at the end of the last book will die tonight
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Sunday, 14 June 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
who is it
― lag∞n, Sunday, 14 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Sunday, 14 June 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
l(ord) o(f) l(ight) p sure gods cant die btw
― lag∞n, Sunday, 14 June 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
we hate Stannis now, so he's probably safe. my guess is Arya or Sansa. Possibly Tyrion.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
cersei
― lag∞n, Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:15 (nine years ago) link
They'll probably kill ramsey to make viewers feel good about sansa/chireen
― 龜, Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
not about, after
Jorah was still alive at the end of the last episode, hmmm???
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
What if they all died?
What if they all died????
― legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
That comet from the beginning of season two - remember that one? - is going to come back, and smash westeros the fuck up. Winter is coming, nuclear winter.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 14 June 2015 23:02 (nine years ago) link
...huh.
Who did Dany run into? They looked Dothraki.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 15 June 2015 02:05 (nine years ago) link
I'm increasingly unsure as to where this show is going and what the point of it is. Everything more or less makes sense but we might be losing too many toe holds into positive storylines.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 15 June 2015 02:17 (nine years ago) link
Also are we all caught up now in the books? I know some bit have been surpassed but we could really start a new, more or less combined thread now, can't we?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 15 June 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
as I understand it there are things that never happened in the show that could still come up later, so it's tricky?
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 15 June 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg
― legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 June 2015 03:00 (nine years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, 15 June 2015 03:44 (nine years ago) link
fallout shelter now up on ios app store
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 03:50 (nine years ago) link
sucks to be... everybody
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
oooops
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 03:53 (nine years ago) link
well that's a bomb drop
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 04:14 (nine years ago) link
well i was gonna say they telegraphed the slow acting poison way too much but then lots of other stuff happened.kinda terrified to go near social media for the next 24 hours.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 04:39 (nine years ago) link
i'll kick it off with the obvious question with as few spoilers as possible for the moment: is that last death a major deviation from the book?
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 04:40 (nine years ago) link
Nope. The only deviation is in its finality (vaguely open in the book that character might still be alive -- in the show, per all the stories just now, character is dead dead dead.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 June 2015 04:43 (nine years ago) link
"Stories" = embargoed articles now running, interviews etc.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 June 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure the showrunners and actor are Snowing us
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Monday, 15 June 2015 04:55 (nine years ago) link
You know something, etc.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 June 2015 04:56 (nine years ago) link
I think the stories are saying that because they prob don't want to commit to ambiguity
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 04:56 (nine years ago) link
for the watch
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 05:01 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 05:04 (nine years ago) link
Xp to ned, that would explain the long slow gutter of blood and empty face for five seconds, wasnt sure why they felt the need to underline so obsessively
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 05:21 (nine years ago) link
bc there is power in kings' blood i dunno
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 15 June 2015 06:33 (nine years ago) link
loved reek's Vader move, tossing what's her face off the balcony there.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 06:35 (nine years ago) link
well i think the point is that if it was left even somewhat open in the book, they were pretty goddamn definitive there unless they're gonna do a zombie mountain on him.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 06:59 (nine years ago) link
Next obvious question: are we more or less up to date with what's been revealed in the book?
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 07:05 (nine years ago) link
apparently yes
get ready for a lot of tiresome speculation for the next 9.5 months
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 15 June 2015 07:13 (nine years ago) link
Awesome, i will now read the entire spoiler thread and get caught up on all that nonsense.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 08:23 (nine years ago) link
Wait! I can still think of one thing that hasn't happened that's kind of a big deal!
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Monday, 15 June 2015 08:30 (nine years ago) link
surely a coincidence that Melisandre showed up at the wall two minutes before Jon Snow got Ides of Marched.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 09:54 (nine years ago) link
Liked Sam's saying "fuck off, no chance" to celibacy.
Hope those Night Watch bastards get comeuppance.
I'm rooting for Cersei's revenge now. Never thought I'd be glad to see her and Mountain alive. Just hoping Margaery and Loras will be okay. Really hoping there won't be a big long search for Dany.
As bad as things are for some, at least Varys, Davos, Sansa and Theon are in better circumstances now.
Wonder what will happen to that Dornish guy on the boat.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 10:00 (nine years ago) link
I assume we're meant to know that Dani found another Dothraki tribe that will end up being her army
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 10:12 (nine years ago) link
I think the dragon is the only reason they'd treat her favourably. There's very little chance they'd be loyal to her because of their prior association. They did look almost like they were celebrating so maybe they saw her flying the dragon.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 10:21 (nine years ago) link
Jaime could turn the boat around. I don't think he has any reason to fear Dorne, especially with the Dornish boy. I initially thought he'd kill the boy in a rage but maybe he'd be more sympathetic because the boy will be distraught too.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 10:24 (nine years ago) link
I know the big spoiler that hasn't happened (and might never) in the tv show, so I'm off to the spoiler thread too. Winds Of Winter is probably coming out at the end of this year so it won't be a safe thread forever.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 10:33 (nine years ago) link
so now that Stannis and daughter are dead does that mean the only living blood relative of Robert Baratheon is Gendry?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 10:44 (nine years ago) link
i can't remember, what happened to dany's old dothraki tribe after drogo died?
as definitively dead as jon snow appears to be (unlike stannis as it happens, maybe brienne missed eh) there is a magic woman with powers bestowed from a god who's been known to resurrect people hanging around.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 10:50 (nine years ago) link
Most dothraki left her after Drogo died and very few seem to have stuck around but they'd probably just be absorbed into the city, so you don't really see them.
Wonder if the high sparrow really expects Cersei to keep cooperating.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 10:54 (nine years ago) link
Yeah i am willing to bet melisandre does the same thing with Jon that the red priest did with flaming sword dude
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 15 June 2015 12:13 (nine years ago) link
Creators and Harrington said there is no return but I'm interested to see if they ever lie about this stuff and are able to keep it a secret. If it did get out that he was working on the show again, maybe the could say it's just a flashback.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 12:19 (nine years ago) link
I think the actor et al are being artful with this "Jon Snow is dead. Its final" stuff. Hes probably resurrected as Jon Targarean or some such
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 12:25 (nine years ago) link
I suppose as a backup plan they could have shot his season 6 scenes already.
I hope Tormund gets more story again.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 12:39 (nine years ago) link
HE'S DEAD. JON SNOW IS DEAD AND WE'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE HIM AGAIN!!
*logrolls away*
― legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:05 (nine years ago) link
No one talking about Cersei walk of shameSeems like that should be take worthy
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:11 (nine years ago) link
I think I'd be annoyed if Jon was still alive. Not sure why. As far as the 'walk of shame' didn't she do that to someone else, at least in the books?
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:13 (nine years ago) link
(Certainly I knew of the practice from somewhere)
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:14 (nine years ago) link
Can't recall wether she started crying before or after she passed the last peasants.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:15 (nine years ago) link
I was thinking of Eberts reaction to the Blue Velvet public nudity scene
This seems of a greater magnitude though perhaps handled more professionally than by David Lynch
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:17 (nine years ago) link
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, June 15, 2015 9:11 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
loved it
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link
before the walk when she was naked in the room it was some of the clumsiest switching between head shot and body double i ever saw but then they pulled out proper tv magic during the walk itself, v impressive.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:44 (nine years ago) link
i didn't even notice it was a body double, good tv magicking. it was v intense, agonizingly dragging out forever
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
The outdoors part was a body double?
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link
that would be some top notch fx
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link
the naked body was a body double
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link
they try to burn jon's body but they can't because he's a dragon
― nose, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:09 (nine years ago) link
xpost they used a body double for the shots w/o her face
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link
Interview with this episode's director
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
so according to that interview, those ARE dothraki
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
Jonah saying "bantering" was hilarious. He said something else amusing just after that but I can't recall it.
I also loved the Varys scene. It was funny even before the last few lines.
Not to go crazy here but is Stannis definitely dead? I feel like speculation about Jon is rife but we didn't actually see Stannis dying.
The reason I think Jon will be back is because killing people is no longer a surprise on this show, they need to bring them back to life.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link
ofc they are, the first over-the-shoulder shot of them was supposed to look drogo-lite
― nose, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
*jorah - fucking autocorrect bantering me off
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
if they resurrect a major character with MAGIC! on here, even/especially if it's a year later, goddamn i'm gonna have Lost jumping the shark flashbacks
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
Daenarys already jumped the dragon
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
yeah i figured jon snow cldnt die because of all the rumors of his parentage were being set up to be clarified but its cool that he did die and i hope he stays dead
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
melisandres whole dramatic weird vibes upon returning to castle black was perfect btw, shes so busted
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
The "bad pussy" but was cheesy even for dorne
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
Bit
she just thinks her reading of the prophecy was wrong and that jon is really her messiah
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
I think she realized that even her god abandons guys who burn their own kids
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
(xps)
lena headey was quite pregnant during filming, which necessitated the body double, it was convincingly handled though
as painful as the scene was i didn't think it was gonna inspire #takes because it makes perfect sense given the sparrows' haughty morality and views of what women are supposed to be in their rigid faith, also their focus on extreme forms of penance of course
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
It was kind of strange how she just appeared then nobody said anything so she just slinked off. Where will she stay? Doesn't seem like Castle Black is scoring 9.1 for service on Booking.com right now
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
has this kind of shaming of a royal figure ever happened in history w/out culminating in an execution?
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
should keep jon snow dead but devote the same about of screen time to castle black with whoever's there doing whatever they'll be doing now (wondering what to do with 5,000 wildlings i suppose)
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
amount*
Where will she stay? Doesn't seem like Castle Black is scoring 9.1 for service on Booking.com right now
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, June 15, 2015 10:36 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah there must be better places to stay than a hotel full of rapists and your main political rival who already wanted to kill you before your latest and most kill worthy stunt
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
assume shell get to work seducing whoevers in charge now
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:41 (nine years ago) link
I want next season to just be about Samwell on campus fighting title IX complaints
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
Is it not illegal for Sam to just head off to college? Like if he's taken the black etc.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
nah, because he's doing that to remain in service to the night's watch
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
if he ran off somewhere, or served as maester to another family, now that would be desertion
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
splitting hairs perhaps but all the other "shocking" deaths made a lot of dramatic sense in hindsight--not sure Jon really does, with so much of his backstory (which is really interesting) left on the table and now a moot point. so I think he'll be back in some form. or at the very least his origins have a part to play.
― ryan, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
Loved the mountain 2.0
― ryan, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
the final shot shdve been of melisandre scooping up some of his blood in a cup
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
was there camera trickery going on or is whoever's playing mountain 2.0 really like eight feet tall
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
xpost it makes sense with all the talk of "king's blood" in the series, since Stannis' bloodline obviously doesn't cut it with the gods now
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
in a sense jon was ritually sacrificed
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
Some of the stuff the extras were shouting at Cersei was pretty strange. I'm sure I heard "motherfucker", though maybe it was "brotherfucker".
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:02 (nine years ago) link
i liked the guy who just yelled fuck you
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
someone def. said brotherfucker
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
Yeah definitely. Maybe he had something better prepared but got too excited.
Also it seemed like that creepy maester didn't really cover Cersei with the robe
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
Cersei is just lucky there's no Twitter in Westeros.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
next season is going to be all about sansa and theon butt injuries
― legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
They'll still be mid-fall by episode 9
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
it was kind of lol that instead of drinking something that made her blind (like in the books) Arya just starts saying "I can't see!"
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
I'm really stumped for theories about where Arya's story is going. It seems like they still want her in their service.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
blind clam seller
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 16:00 (nine years ago) link
pretty uncool of Jon's dire wolf to step up for Sam but to be dozing off in a corner when the shit hit the fan last night
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
going to be pretty hard keeping 5000 wildlings onside w/out jon snow kicking about
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
The murderboob economy was booming this ep, with the boob sector advancing in the Kings Landing market, while murder made big gains on the Braavosi index.
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 15 June 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
cersei's CGI face
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
So are they going to kill one Stark per season? Is that how this works?
got excited for a sec that there was some Veep/GoT crossover happening that I was unaware of
― Darin, Monday, 15 June 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
lots of angry nerds on the twitters complaining that a pregnant lead actress didn't want to spend an extended amount of time walking around naked for their amusement
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
Do the Night's Watch really need to deal with Wildlings now? Now that they've got their land I think they won't need anyone's help anymore.
I didn't notice the cgi on Cersei at all!
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
If Dani had been nude last week we probably wouldn't have noticed the shitty dragon riding CGI
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
wait which Stark did they kill in seasons 2 and 4?
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 15 June 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
starks dead only on odd seasons
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
Starks can't die in years where the Giants win the world series.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
so can we merge the two (spoilers/non-spoilers) threads now or what
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
no they might tell us about some letter Ramsey wrote
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
if GRRM is smart he will put out the next book just ahead of the next season and make a bajillion more dollars
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
we don't really believe stannis is dead, right? it doesn't make sense to do the cut-away just to reveal that yes, actually he did die there we just didn't feel like showing it
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
xpost I'm kidding. It's not actually a spoiler anymore, but book readers have apparently being speculating for 10 years about who actually wrote a letter supposedly from Ramsey that Jon received right before he died. It said something like "My army has destroyed Stannis' army. I demand you hand over the lady Melissandre. Also my wife and my Reek are missing, give them back to me." After last night it seems likely that Ramsey actually sent it.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
stannis is dead. haven't you seen enough gore?
are we allowed to speculate openly about Jon now? I'm curious if in addition to wolves he might have other...affinities...that only one other character has shown.
― ryan, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
maybe he'll come back next season as the dreaded Ser Stoneheart
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
worgs into wolves, has Hodor-sized cock
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
^^^exactly
― ryan, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
i hope Davos sticks around, i like him. maybe there will be more adventures w/him and melisandre, havent had one of those since the renly takedown in s2.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
also re stannis, why'd they rush out to confirm that kit isn't going to be in the next season, that jon is 100% for sure dead, and then not discuss stannis. i'm telling u it's very suspicious he is still alive i believe stannis 4eva.
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
After learning a few more spoilers today (nothing massive but I probably shouldn't have read Arya's wiki entry) I realise it really isn't safe for me even though I already knew some other bigger spoilers that haven't been on the tv show.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
he gets sent elsewhere in the books and gets "entrusted" with another mission. pretty sure Davos will return next season.
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
xxp - do you think that at the moment Brienne is gonna kill stannis, sansa and theon appear and disrupt the execution?
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
are we up to speed now w/the books?
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
no but i think brienne is not exactly trustworthy to carry out a cold-blooded execution
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
They should have somehow engineered it so that Sansa and Theon land on her as she's about to land the final blow.
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
i do wonder about the possibility of characters being brought back because that whole deal in season 3 w/beric and his crew would be a really, really odd side story to not bring back. i assume in the books it was used as a tablesetter for lady stoneheart?
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
an odd story to not revisit, i should say
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
still don't get why anyone would think Renly had a right to be king
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
bc he was kind to them and they were an ugly duckling
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
because everyone hates Stannis basically
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
he does have the exasperated look of a sitcom patriarch
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
Book SPOILER: Most of book four especially takes place in the Riverlands, in the region most harmed by the War of Kings, and while Beric and crew doesn't play a big role, they loom heavily over the proceedings. Show has removed all those stories, thereby also removing the most potent thematic layer in the whole series, kinda.
― Frederik B, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
xp if max wright had set fire to andrea elson on ALF
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
sacrifices his daughter to the lord of light and STILL he can't beat the boltons, nothing goes right for this poor guy!
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
The disappointment of saving a daughter for years waiting for the perfect moment, only for it to be a waste.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
cersei's new golden guy going to have some good storylines, I know it.
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
looked to have a real bad hypertension problem going on underneath that helmet.
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
i think the mountain zombie does indicate that Jon Snow might also return from the dead
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
and then they can fight
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
why is mountainstein any evidence? You're already got the lord of light extra lives cheat code. No need to look beyond that.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
Also Jon may have a cousin who burned herself up and came back with dragons
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
I'll accept Jon Snow coming back to 'life' only if it is as a wight
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
just narrative proximity.
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
i hope joffrey comes back
― ogmor, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
Do we know Robert Baratheon is dead? It didn't happen onscreen.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link
next season should just be all the dead characters wandering around in purgatory
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
"oh, you're dead too?"'well, I might be reincarnated as a wolf, not sure yet"
It was honestly really weird that they didn't show Stannis dying, not least since they showed his moral downfall in such detail.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
Ok I can buy that Stannis telling Brienne to "Do you duty" reminded her of her duty to protect Sansa. And that she decides to keep Stannis alive to trade him for Sansa.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
peggy killed stannis.
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link
Or, they just decided to choose the POV angle for his death blow? Is that so ridiculous? Why all the denial?
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
Stannis sent off to recuperate with The Hound and Benjen Stark and Catelyn's uncle and gendry. Can't wait for that B-team to step up in season 8.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:59 (nine years ago) link
he does have the exasperated look of a sitcom patriarch― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:48
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 20:48
My favourite post today.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
bc in genre fiction if you don't see the person die you better believe they're still alive
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
>next season should just be all the dead characters wandering around in purgatory
MAYBE THIS *IS* WHAT WE ARE WATCHING!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
nb it could very well be that this is another one of GOT's genre defying moments just to screw with the audience, but any genre savvy watcher/reader is going to skeptical of a death that isn't shown
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, June 15, 2015 4:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i guess i could break down exactly why stannis dying here is different than robert dying in season one (i can think of like four reasons off the top of my head) but if you don't get the feeling that the quick camera break away was concealing some narrative trickery than i'm probably not going to convince you
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
Didn't King Robert have a funeral with the body there?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
I don't get that feeling here. It's pretty conclusive story-wise for Stannis. The tragedy of the ultimate sacrifice of his army and his daughter and his wife not playing out, and then the one principal he holds above everything (duty) being the reason he dies, it all closes his chapter very nicely.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
i was so disappointed in dorne this season. I was hoping dr bashir would be getting an army or doing something actually interesting but he just wound up a dornish patsy while the sand snakes lamely conspired behind his back to kill teenage girl.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
*principle (autocorrect)
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
yeah i don't know if i agree w/ that at all. i think it's certainly possible that Stannis is dead, but if he is it represents yet another tremendous anti-climax to a narrative that was developed over the course of a number of seasons. xxp
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
Not saying it was very climactic, just that I don't see them dragging his story out any further. Nothing about Brienne's motivations cues to me that there would be any incentive for her to not kill him.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
They rushed his downfall which is why it felt like a throwaway imo
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link
i don't think it felt rushed, it felt like the appropriately banal and inevitable end to his megalomaniacal crusade
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link
Pretty much every character in this series in thrall to hubris, which is why they inevitably have some horrible fate/setback befall them. I don't see why Stannis would be an exception, particularly after burning his daughter alive.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link
either he ends up having cross country adventures with Sansa and Theon or he's dead -- could go either way, but it is noteworthy that you don't see him die.
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
What I mean is that he seemed to have his shit together as recently as when he was hanging out at Castle Black. Went downhill very quick after that.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
but it is noteworthy that you don't see him die.
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Monday, June 15, 2015 5:22 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Again persoanlly, I sincerely believe that they'd be somewhat surprised that people are reading into what was probably simply a choice to use a POV angle and nothing more. Occam's Razor kinda stance for me. That's where I'll leave it.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
At least Jon Snow got to smile at least once before he died: his little joke with Sam, "I'm glad the end of the world is being enjoyed by someone"
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
Without spoilers, is it just Arya's story that is more advanced in the books? (I've read them all but can't actually remember).
― groovypanda, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
Robert being dead is quite obviously a thing on account of multiple characters saying and then acting as if he has died. How is this the case with Stannis?
There's every reason to doubt Stannis' death until we see receipts.xps
― tsrobodo, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
― Evan, Monday, June 15, 2015 9:22 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
Bran's, kinda sorta. Most of the others are caught up or just so different it's hard to say.
― Clay, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
xpost maybe someone thought that two scenes of major characters bleeding out into the snow was one too many for a single episode
the thing about Robert was a joke guys jeez
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
hah sorry misfire. was going to reply "and every decision he's made since leaving has been heinous"
it was pretty clear how bad he fucked up when he army went out to meet the boltons. dude had nobody left following his dumb ass.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link
Did the soldiers who deserted Stannis do so because they were disgusted by the burning or just that they knew they'd lose the battle?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
I suspect the burning was the issue. I'll miss stannis, he was part of some great scenes. And yeah like his gloomy Michael Gross thing.
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
I liked*
The High Sparrow seemed pleased that Cersei wasn't going to admit that her children were Jaime's. What going on there? Does he want Tommen to remain on the throne?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
xpI assumed they deserted mostly for self-preservation.
― nickn, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:49 (nine years ago) link
I think the "torture the watch who missed Bolton's men and then kill them"/"watch me burn my daughter for good luck" 1-2 combo was not the morale booster Stannis thought it would be
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
Maybe he wants to have a trial because he has other proof.
― nickn, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
I do like the phrase "self swords"
it's sell swords
― Number None, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
Varys slinking out from the shadows was the episode's highpoint. Tyrion running Mereen, w/Varys and Grey Worm, should be interesting to see.
lol at Daenerys' storyline ending back at square one. I hope she spends the next five seasons slowly rising back to power.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
suspect the dothraki are gonna be impressed with her dragon
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link
Gwendoline Christie (Brienne) is so fun and charming on the extra interview shows. Only other things I've seen her in are small parts in Terry Gilliam films where I didn't notice her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 June 2015 22:57 (nine years ago) link
Ah yes, sell swords.
― nickn, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link
shell swords
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
they're swell swords when they're not being smell swords
― nomar, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
wish they'd shown the set-up for Jon's death"That Jon Snow needs taking down a peg or two. I've got a plan..."
"what shall we tell him? There's a white walker here to see him? but like a really hot lady one?""nah, just make up some shit about his family"
"and what is it really, again?""a plank of wood with 'traitor' scrawled on it""brilliant, brilliant. His face when he sees that!"
― kinder, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link
Cersei sells self swords by the narrow seashore
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 00:44 (nine years ago) link
Magical assassins, witchy women, zombie monsters, dragon riders, wanton abuse and sadism, damsels in distress, actual cliffhangers.
Bah.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
hearty lols at the piece of wood with TRAITOR carved into it
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:22 (nine years ago) link
Yep, in case we didn't get it.
― nickn, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:44 (nine years ago) link
It did need an arrow pointing to a crudely drawn picture of Jon, though.
Should have put a mirror there
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:45 (nine years ago) link
With the legend "Do you see?"
― nickn, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
that little murder scene was basically the entire character arc of every dead stark combined and whittled down to one minute.
― nomar, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:00 (nine years ago) link
after sansa then shereen and now cersei idk how much more of this i can stand, this show is so hard to watch now
rip jon snow, i liked u even if everyone didnt. ps can i have yr big fur coat
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link
You guys, it's spelled "warg".
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:26 (nine years ago) link
ok i know this is dumb
but jon snow's eyes went cloudy and then normal again as he lay dying
i think it means somethink and i think he will be back or maybe he is a direwolf idk
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:48 (nine years ago) link
its wldve been cool if at the end the wolf came up and started to eat his corpse
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:56 (nine years ago) link
Probably the shadow of an ice dragon flying overhead. xp
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 04:56 (nine years ago) link
just for nerds
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 05:07 (nine years ago) link
Oh, you can do better than that.
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 05:38 (nine years ago) link
Clearly be can't.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 06:02 (nine years ago) link
I'm finding it hard to load the bits of this thread that i missed since it goes back 5 years. Was looking for the beginning of discussion started last week and its among the 'now skipping x amount of comments' section which is several 1000 long & always loads so you're at the start of it. Any chance of starting a new thread soon?
Saw the last episode yesterday and all the wrong people are dying. JUst had to take the 1st book back to the library after only reading 1st 70 pages because it was on request and I'd been reading other things. Must get around to reading whichever volumes this is based on at some point. But my to read list is pretty large.BUt does Martin have it in for the Starks? are they just too nice for a ruthless power struggle or something?
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 07:47 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure Davos will return next season
With Snow dead and Sam out of the way, Davos is the eyes and ears of the viewer at the Wall, unless they spend a lot more time with Melisandre's character, or one of the random Watch dudes. I really hope he gets more to do.
Given they think John Snow is there, it's possible that Sansa and Theon might try and head to Castle Black, which would be a really bad idea.
For a second I thought that the dragon had taken Dany to Westeros and got all excited, but no, she's still on the wrong side of the sea.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:18 (nine years ago) link
Kinda missed Littlefinger for most of this season as well, with everything kicking off all over the place he felt conspicuous by his absence.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:19 (nine years ago) link
Loved how for just a few seconds, we got to see Dany all alone and not surrounded by hundreds of people, only for a whole battalion of Dothraki show up.
― boat of boats (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:42 (nine years ago) link
Brienne *might* have calculated that Stannis represents her best shot at getting Sansa out of Winterfell (although with no army I'm not sure how). So it's a question of whether her loyalty to the Starks trumps loyalty to Renly. Either way it's got to be significant we didn't see him die when they cut straight away to show Ramsey kill some redshirt no one cares about.
Given the show is now killing major and popular characters off at a rate of at least one a season, the Kingslayer will surely be the next to go?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:03 (nine years ago) link
unless they spend a lot more time with Melisandre's character,
iirc Melisandre became a viewpoint character near the end of the last book
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:30 (nine years ago) link
― Merdeyeux, Monday, June 15, 2015 11:50 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Was thinking that myself. So wonder how permanent it is going to be.Presumably does explain her turning up at that point if so, though don't know where else she would have gone.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:35 (nine years ago) link
xp You don't remember correctly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dance_with_Dragons#Characters
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:37 (nine years ago) link
he does you know
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:38 (nine years ago) link
as definitively dead as jon snow appears to be (unlike stannis as it happens, maybe brienne missed eh) there is a magic woman with powers bestowed from a god who's been known to resurrect people hanging around.― Merdeyeux, Monday, June 15, 2015 11:50 AM (Yesterday)Was thinking that myself. So wonder how permanent it is going to be.Presumably does explain her turning up at that point if so, though don't know where else she would have gone.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, June 15, 2015 11:50 AM (Yesterday)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHk9VZOWgAACaMI.jpg
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:39 (nine years ago) link
Thought this was an okay season which, like the third, was redeemed by a pretty kickass last few episodes. The final scene was a bit close to misery porn for my liking though. :(
Also lol at GoT scriptwriters' Alanis Morrissettian concept of irony ("Jon always comes back").
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:42 (nine years ago) link
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/POV_character
A Dance with Dragons
Jon Snow - 13 chapters Tyrion Lannister - 12 chapters Daenerys Targaryen - 10 chapters Theon Greyjoy - 7 chapters Quentyn Martell - 4 chapters Davos Seaworth - 4 chapters Barristan Selmy - 4 chapters Asha Greyjoy - 3 chapters Bran Stark - 3 chapters Jon Connington - 2 chapters Cersei Lannister - 2 chapters Victarion Greyjoy - 2 chapters Arya Stark - 2 chapters Areo Hotah - 1 chapter Jaime Lannister - 1 chapter Melisandre - 1 chapter Varamyr Sixskins - 1 chapter (Prologue) Kevan Lannister - 1 chapter (Epilogue)
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 11:53 (nine years ago) link
Is she magic or just sometimes magic? Because it's possible Witchy Woman worships the god of coincidence, too. Either that or the fickle Red God told her to abandon Stannis and head back to help Jon Snow. But her Lady Macbeth deal has been pretty strong, so with Stannis (clearly) not dead, there is plenty of time for her prophecies to come true. It was impatient Stannis's fault for thinking they'd happen this season.
Lots of cliffhangers this season. Dany alone. Bros ride out to find her. Aria ... blind? Stannis ... whatever happened? Sansa and Theon jumping off a cliff. Jon Snow bleeding out. Anyway, I'd call this subversive storytelling - killing off or otherwise sidelining your strongest characters at a surreal clip - but I'm not sure Martin is that clever/mean. I think he really does see this fantasy show/story as a kind of history, where of course bad things happen at a rapid clip, over and over again. Yet it's hard to tell a story as TV/book entertainment (yay!) *and* as this-is-just-how-it-happened history (boo!) and keep it together, having it both ways. it's like his excuses for violence, rape, etc. "Well, this is the middle ages, when bad things like that really happened. Also, there are dragons and magic."
This episode really doubled down on an over-reliance on violence and sadism toward women as a means of storytelling shortcut, who if they aren't being tormented are more or less just literally sitting around, with as of yet no clear glimpse into their thoughts or goals or strategies. We know Cersei is a schemer. When will Sansa have some agency? Will she? What of Breanne? Is she just there as a perpetual honor guard? How about Witchy Woman? Will we ever know her inner workings, or is she just meant this be this vague boob baring figure? Even Dany has been weirdly passive; I'm not even sure why she was hanging in that Mereen shithole. At the very least, whatever happened to Aria resulted (as with Cersei) from her own theoretically bad decisions, which puts them on more equal footing with their equivalent male punching bags.
Anyway, tough show to watch, for many of those same contradictory reasons. It's a fun adventure fantasy but also absolutely no fun.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 12:05 (nine years ago) link
the impression i get is that ppl's reading of melisandre hightailing it was that she was fleeing for her life, but i think her abandonment of stannis was supposed to seem more significant.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 12:24 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/DxmLEos.jpg
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 12:33 (nine years ago) link
Mel was also shook that her god seemed displeased
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 12:38 (nine years ago) link
or indifferent
The way I saw it was that she realized at that point that Stannis wasn't the rightful king and therefore wasn't the one the Lord of Light was backing
― silverfish, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 12:38 (nine years ago) link
"NOW you tell me!"
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link
On Melisandre's escape: it's hilarious how bad the show is at explaining this stuff. Perhaps we might get some satisfying explanation next season, but honestly odds are higher they'll think up some weird reason to have her raped, and then saved from a vengeful woman by a man.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:04 (nine years ago) link
Maybe her long game is just to one at a time convince everyone in the royal line to kill their children and then rush into battle, until there is no one left but her.
I wish this show were a little more clear with its magic. There is major magic: snow zombies, wargs, dragons, etc. No doubt. Then there is minor magic: walking into fire, seeing the future (maybe?). Then there is weird science magic: people back from the dead (maybe?) etc. It's just another frustrating inconsistency of Martin's real/not real world. At least in the middle ages what passed for magic was really some sort of science. Here, though, there is totally magic. Except when there isn't or when it doesn't work.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:05 (nine years ago) link
It's many times more clear in Martin's books. The show consistently fucks it up.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:08 (nine years ago) link
bviously the show compresses and expands time at will. Melisandre might not have been able to ride that fast to make it to the Wall when she did, but it was necessary for her to show up there to foreshadow Jon's probable resurrection. Who cares except you really. It's left fuzzy because we don't know exactly when things are happening in which place, which rings true for Medieval-ish times when peasants didn't find out shit about shit until months or years after it happened, if ever.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:12 (nine years ago) link
O
i once tried to figure out how much time was passing between scenes of The Room and it gave me vertigo.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:15 (nine years ago) link
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART DROGON
― Evan, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:17 (nine years ago) link
It's just another frustrating inconsistency of Martin's real/not real world. At least in the middle ages what passed for magic was really some sort of science. Here, though, there is totally magic. Except when there isn't or when it doesn't work.
this is a seriously dumb complaint
― Number None, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:22 (nine years ago) link
i understand the appeal of having firmly establish rules for magic but that is explicitly not what this story wants to do. in particular, the current context is that magic literally disappeared for generations, to the point where a lot of the population were and are skeptical about magic having existed at all (outside of dragons whose prior existence is clearly evident). magic has returned during the course of the narrative we are following and ppl are in the process of working out what it does and how. so as unsatisfying as it might be to have GRRM seen to make shit up as he goes along, he has built that licence in.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
martin not having a magic "system" (as is common in the genre he works in) is one of his strenths imo. at least so far, magic remains mysterious, unexplained and unexplainable. the system approach is actually a sop to a more modern mindset i think.
― ryan, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:24 (nine years ago) link
last two posts otm
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:25 (nine years ago) link
"why isn't magic in GoT more scientific" - josh in chicago
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:26 (nine years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Sanderson#Sanderson.27s_First_Law
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link
This show may not be, but that Wikipedia article is strictly for nerds
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:36 (nine years ago) link
sanderson's right about the trade off, but i think if martin's whole approach is to do the "realistic" (for lack of a better word) medieval fantasy epic then he needs to go in this direction.
― ryan, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link
GRRM does well in showing people trying to figure out the new rules of magic. I agree, it's one of the strengths of the worldbuilding. The show just uses it as ways to gloss over holes in the narrative.
Keyes: You're in the wrong thread. I do like that my incisive questions has stayed with you all through the night, until you had to answer them in a completely different discussion. Like a poisoned kiss that only works once you get an erection, or hugs your dad, or whatever. Or poisoned honey. Whatever.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:42 (nine years ago) link
The Melisandre chapter in Dance with Dragons is pretty cool, actually.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:45 (nine years ago) link
Freddy B you moved the discussion here not me
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link
Though I still lick your sweet words off the screen here
I kind of hate fantasy novels that have fully worked out 'systems' of magic. It's stupid and spark-smothering. If I want magic rules I'll play d&d (nb no dis intended to the game -- I play d&d regularly)
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link
mel is a controversial character and going into her POV is a big deal. the show hasn't, possibly can't, accomplish what that one chapter does so while book ppl and show ppl are basically at a similar point in that narrative, book ppl have a just slightly more advanced understanding of a couple characters and plot points.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
eh sorry if that is still too much book talk for this thread
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:52 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqjR1gHyIQ
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link
^both agree and lol at btw
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
Nah, I don't mean I need it all (er) spelled out for me. It's just that it makes the decisions the characters make confusing, and therefore our (my) enjoyment of the show erratic. So Red Witch has to be convincing enough that she can get Stannis to sacrifice his daughter, and at least in the show she's been at least as successful as, I dunno, God was in convincing Abraham. But then nothing (good) happens. And yet, she did give birth to a smoke demon earlier, which is nothing to sniff at. And then Cersei's man on the dark side, apparently he has the power to reanimate corpses. That's fine, but is that magic? Magic seems to be returning, sure, but has he (and red witch) just been hanging, waiting for their powers to manifest? Or have they always been a little magic but are now much more magic?
I dunno, if I went way back I bet I complained (probably) about this really early on. But it's one thing to exist in a world where dragons and zombies are rumors, or myth or history. But when dozens, or hundreds of people have now seen (or been eaten by) dragons or zombies, you'd think it'd be a lot easier to get more people on Team Magic. Again, don't need it to be black and white, but so many decisions in this show hinge on that distinction - magic y/n? - that it would be welcome as a viewer to get some better idea what's going on.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link
Another way one (I) can put it is: if anything can happen and there are no rules, then it is hard to invest anything that happens in this show with much meaning. For me, at least. Anything done can be undone. Anything dead can be brought back. And so on. It just doesn't built, as far as narratives go, to aim for a conclusion so much as just spin in perpetual motion. Which is cool, I guess, but given Martin has basically said it's all going somewhere specific, it'd be nice to see it start coalescing with some sense of logic. Again, just as a viewer, this viewer.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
Doesn't seem built, sorry.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
Hey, where are the other two dragons?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link
They're shut up in a cave somewhere, Dany occasionally fed some pompous noblemen to them earlier in the season.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link
So did she leave care instructions? Like, two scoops kibbles, one sheep, twice a day? Clean the litter box, etc? I'm worried about her dragons.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
(See also: Direwolves)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
Despite the source, this is a reasonable critique:
http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/39ym6b/s5e10_this_show_has_changed_from_good_guys_will/
― Evan, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:41 (nine years ago) link
Or have they always been a little magic but are now much more magic?
i recall that in one of the places daenerys visited while she was wandering around there were dudes who it seemed had consistently been using magic as little more than an annoying parlor trick, but were now onto more serious stuff
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
I can't quite get my head around the face-swapping thing re Arya. MAGICS.
Wonder if Jaime goes ham upon Myrcella's death and declares war on Dorne, whether he'll have to flee KL upon arriving back there or stay to try and help Cersei, maybe organise a counter-coup against the faith? Hopefully he becomes interesting/evil again.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
I want to know how old those MIA Stark boys are going to look by the time season 6 hits.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
They'll have to use the magic of CGI to brush off their 5 o'clock shadows.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
this show is good and im happy its punishing you all who richly deserve it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
Question for Jaime is who is in control of the boat and where are they going to go now?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
Yeah given the circumstances they're not going to let him just fuck off with their child prince.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
wonder if that lady is gonna kill the dorne king next, i mean shes gonna be in a lot of trouble once he finds out right
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
I'm guessing they will punish her by raping her a lot. Then Jaime will save her from more rape, to illustrate how much he's grown.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
wow so cynical what happened to you man
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
nagl frederik B
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
Can't wait to deliver a giant TOLD YOU SO in a year or so.
Basically, the plot is complete nonsense. So absolutely anything can happen. And when Benioff & Wise are left to their own devices, odds are think up something that involves the sexual degradation of women. I've seen the show, folks.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
Although I did like the one guy who shouted a very audible 'FUCK OFF' during Cersei's walk of shame.
― boat of boats (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
Do the Lannisters have literally no control over the populace of Kings Landing now? I'm still confused as to how all that stuff managed to happen without the king's guard rushing in and doing something about it, especially when during Joffrey's reign, no one would have stepped out of line at all.
― boat of boats (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, June 16, 2015 11:35 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
at first i was like "whuh" because i thought she was drinking her own poison to commit suicide when i watched originally but totally forgot about that whole antidote business lol
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
Frederik, why are you watching this since it's obviously annoying you?
― tayto fan (Michael B), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
xpost yeah i didnt catch that either oops
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Frederik B can you not
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
yeah i thought she was killing herself too which wldve been p cool but then she just took the antidote and walked away all smug smh
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
Do the Lannisters have literally no control over the populace of Kings Landing now? I'm still confused as to how all that stuff managed to happen without the king's guard rushing in and doing something about it, during Joffrey's reign, no one would have stepped out of line at al
There was a scene in S2 maybe when Joffrey and Sansa got stuck in the middle of King's Landing and the population went mental at them, the Hound and Tyrion had to bundle Sansa out of there. So I think they've always been basically hated by the proles.
Also Cersei built the religious fanatics up in the first place order to compensate for a general lack of allies/muscle elsewhere, so maybe the King's Guard isn't what it used to be.
But they've got a resurrected killing machine now so she should be able to regain that iron fist pretty easily.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
King's Guard is just like 7 dudes isn't it
― dan m, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
well 6 now post-Ser Merren
one of them is a big frankenstein tho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
x-posts: I'm invested in the show because I'm invested in the books. I like the world and I want to know where the story is going. In a year, the show will be spoiling everything that is happening in the story, and it will do so incompetently, and with extra added misogony. Yay.
In that way, this isn't like all other tv-shows, which I just don't watch when they go bad.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
u love it u love it so much u almost cant stand it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
oh Fred just admit it
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
more info than you needed: http://time.com/3921066/cersei-game-of-thrones-history/
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
x-posts: And I'm sorry, I'll leave you to it, but I can't take all the speculation over the nonsense in Dorne and Winterfell seriously. Trying to figure out motive and what will happen next. Well, the showrunners aren't competent enough to have thought it through! It's like watching people watching a monkey throw paint on a canvas, and discussing who it's supposed to look like.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
if even DJP didn't get my joek I am going to cry
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
i got it & i loled :)
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
*whew*
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
was it an annoying joke
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
been caught stealing an annoying joke once
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
Can we talk about how disturbingly exhilarating it was to see Arya kill Meryn Trant?
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
I did appreciate how they added the reminder of how bad he was first. Because without those extra two minutes of the known child raper beating little girls with a stick I would have been all, jeez, Arya, chill out a little with the eye-gouging.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
It was pretty good. For a minute I thought the other girl who works for many faced God was there and she would kill him. On the other hand I don't know why Arya revealed her identity after he had been stabbed so many times. It didn't seem like a person in that condition could understand anything being said.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
shes still an assassin IN TRAINING remember!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
magic is p much by definition unexplained. idk what concept of magic as a distinct force anyone in this world cld have given they clearly have no recognisable conception of science (or mb any convincing explanation of the cosmos). how/why wld they differentiate certain animals as magic or w/e
― ogmor, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
also if we're waiting for receipts is the lannister daughter DEFINITELY dead bc i'm going to remain sceptical
― ogmor, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
rankings in order of least to most likely dead
1. jon snow2. stannis3. myrcella
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
On the other hand I don't know why Arya revealed her identity after he had been stabbed so many times. It didn't seem like a person in that condition could understand anything being said.
I think she needs the ritual to make her murders OK -- we saw a similar thing when she killed Polliver(?) by repeating what he said about Lommy -- so that it was as much for her own sake as it was to agonize Trant.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
Well, now that The Mountain is alive again, Qyburn might be looking for a new project
― silverfish, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
Also, there was a brief discussion on characters with (seemingly) impervious plot armor like Tyrion and Dany -- but I don't think anyone mentioned our favorite little girl psychopath assassin. Didn't GRRM say that Arya was his wife's favorite character, meaning that there's no way she's going to die any time soon?
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
There is an established system of science (Maesters/Old Town), it just happens to be at odds with most notions of magic. I presume it will be quite a significant theme in Sam's story going forward.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Didn't GRRM say that Arya was his wife's favorite character, meaning that there's no way she's going to die any time soon?
is she the only remaining female character that hasn't been raped, besides Brienne(?)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
do you really want a list
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
i can't tell if you're joking but margaery, melisandre, ellaria, off the top of my head...
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
I imagine the maesters are in the books more but there's been v little hint of what they get up to in the show so far besides act like regular medieval scholars
― ogmor, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I think most exposition on that front began and ended with Pycelle (treating Robert/John Arryn. Boasting about his role in the birth of Cersei's children. Aemon was too old to get up to much
Medieval scholasticism is definitely the model he uses but the role of maesters is supposed to be far more practical than that would suggest.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
Maesters practice
http://circleofeducation.com/site/assets/uploads/14-The-Magic-of-LearningLMSZ.jpg
― Evan, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
shakey's had a list of fantasy rapes going for at least a decade iirc
― nomar, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
were the sand snakes actually awesome in the novels? Before this season started it seemed like lots of people were excited abt their presence.
― nomar, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
They really didn't seem so to me at the time and I wasn't going to go back and read all that shit again, so I just assumed they were and I'd skimmed it.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
get a new joke
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
you're criticizing someone else for monotony?
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
re: Sand Snakes GRRM was going for a sexy Deadly Vipers Assassination Squad only with 8 ladies, and so yes, that aspect got people excited.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
they were okay, and at least not risible
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
i get annoyed whenever the sand worms are on screen, so lame
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
they are lame, but idk, i am not very upset when they are on my screen.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link
I quite like seeing the recap (on Thronecast) of Melisandre meeting Arya and correctly predicting her future. I never would have remembered that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
Correctly but in very vague terms.
it makes sense if they're more like functionaries or mandarins. for a show about power there's v little sense of the political landscape. there's feudalism with no real sense of class, kings with no talk of divine right/mandate of heaven (stannis's awareness of his destiny feels v personal). idk who is supposed to be actually at work enacting their small council biz & running a credit-based economy but w/e. varys is obv the best but it just feels like grrm was feeling the idea of some eunuch official archetype but rather than being a member of whole caste he just makes him a guy with a crazy back story he could write later
― ogmor, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link
Always worthwhile (though rife with spoilers): http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-jon-snow-season-finale/
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
Good thing that the mutineers stabbed Jon in the gut and not his beautiful face.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
they shouldve all made out with him as he lay dying
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link
everybody betray me :(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DxWkfJ4uvV0/hqdefault.jpg
― kinder, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
…I’m fed up with this wall.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
I thought danaerys was very rude to her dragon, too. He'd been stabbed with loads of spears, rescued her, and she says 'you could at leat find some food' or something. Also, if I was trying to find out where she went it might be worth releasing the other two and following them - I imagine dragons leave a great destruction/word of mouth trail.
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 11:57 (nine years ago) link
Ha, you imagine dragons
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 11:59 (nine years ago) link
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 12:02 (nine years ago) link
I'm assuming they'll delve a bit more into what Maesters actually do next season when Sam becomes one?
Feels like one of the really obvious logical endpoints for the story is to have Arya kill Cersei. In fact I'll be really annoyed if that doesn't happen.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 12:16 (nine years ago) link
X-post. That post is going to show up for years when people death for imagine dragons. Well, until people stop likin them. So be on your best behaviour for our future indie-rock fans.
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 12:19 (nine years ago) link
Or not. On one of the Grantland podcasts they point out how Sam's quest will likely be less Harvard and the Sorbonne and more University of Phoenix and study abroad, since there's not enough story/book/show left to allow him to go off and become a full-on Maester. They suggest he's just doing an independent study with a focus on killing White Walkers.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 12:22 (nine years ago) link
death for imagine dragons
Agreed
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 12:26 (nine years ago) link
Good lord, not my day. Search, obviously. I need to stop posting in the pub.
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 12:31 (nine years ago) link
the dragon CG was top-notch in this episode, btw fwiw
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
aren't there supposed to be white walkers high-footing it to the wall any moment? they're sure taking their sweet time about it. how will Samwise Gamgee ever become a maestro in that time?
― boat of boats (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
I assume they're waiting for winter to fully arrive
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
they're on spring break right now
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZWF9hJkegeQ/UWW7njDNHRI/AAAAAAAAA6A/mB94C5cy25o/s1600/spring-breakers-james-franco-alien.jpg
― got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
I got walkers all colors man
The last Spring break in westeros lasted about 11 years, it was a time of almost unbearable suffering and privation
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
and boobs
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
Is spring break just for Americans? I've never really understood it.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
coastal rumspringa for lower to upper middle class college students allowed by state/fed authorities for the shitton of disposable income they leave behind and loathed by locals for the massive mess/noise/traffic/dumbfuckery it brings
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
Why isn't the summer break a bigger deal?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
uk equiv: young football assholes on group holiday in spain?
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
people have to get jobs during the summer/go home etc.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
how many likable people are left in westeros? it's basically Davos and Sam and Sansa and Brienne and Podrick imo.
― nomar, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link
I was going to say Jon Snow, but then I remembered that I don't like him.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
he is also not so much in westeros anymore
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
I guess brits in Spain is similar, but I don't think that's really reserved for such a specific time of year and I think just as many working class people do that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
the tyrells are witty and fun especially olenna, i find that likable
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
I forgot about Hodor and Bran and that unnamed Stark scion who's out there with that feral woman iirc.
― nomar, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
as big violent homophobes go tormund is pretty chill
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
When was he homophobic?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
weird for a guy who in one scene tries to convince people he fucked a bear up the ass to disapprove of gay people (i can't remember when he says anything to that effect but i forget a lot of things)
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
tbf most of westeros is homophobic
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
tommen seems nice
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
i thought he said something kinda homophobic when he was referring to jon snow's looks but maybe i'm misremembering. i'll stick with my bold claim that his lgbtq politics are maybe not great tho
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
i think someone with C21st progressive politics wld be deeply suspect
― ogmor, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Dany comes pretty close, no?
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
Take that shit to Dorne.
― kate78, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
between her eviscerations and crucifixions I think dany wld have a tough time on sjw tumblr
― ogmor, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
that lot will complain about ANYTHING
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
I think the way she tries to raise up the underclass at the direct expense of the ruling class comes close to the radically anti-capitalist strains of progressivism.
I forgot about her white savior complex, though.
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
oh come on now
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
savior complex in general yes, i think her #checkyourprivilege issue has to do with class and shit more than (fictional) nationality.
but that argument doesnt create #clicks the way the right headline and a screenshot of the end of "mhysa" does, which is why it was created, let's be honest here
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
If only progressives had a queen to take on the ruling class
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
why the latter was created, i mean xp self
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
lol slothro only consumes internet media that is pure
― 龜, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
there are definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal
― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
come on man how you gonna be mad at some mild clickbait pokes, obviously i read plenty of that shit myself i read grantland and espn xp
*slothrop
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
there are definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal― let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell)
feel like this could go in truth bombs, pvmic, solitary posts that sum up, privilege is a meme, etc etc
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
the fact that you consider that stuff to be clickbait says a lot about you
― 龜, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
*sigh* i was referring to the like "10 things" posts those sites make, like comparing athletes to thrones characters stuff or w/e, i'm totally a sucker for that doesnt mean i dont feel guilty sometimes
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
but yea sure file such a conflict under like, not liking lil B as stuff that makes me hopelessly out of touch at 27, rmde
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
that was a good dodge you're very accomplished
― 龜, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
mom always said i'd impress the kids at school somehow
i think someone already posted the ask the maester thing but that dude and mallory rubin did another one w/ some interesting speculation on s6, especially w/r/t those leaked casting descriptions, prophecies etc. http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/the-game-of-thrones-book-symposium-a-spoiler-filled-discussion-of-the-season-finale-and-predictions-for-season-6/
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
I just saw a facebook link comparing GOT characters to houses that supposedly looked like them. Do wonder how long it took to compile a suitable database and what else could have been done with the time.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
Maybe headlines generate using SEO. Got to get the click traffic for those GoT HGTV fans.
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
w/r/t those leaked casting descriptions, prophecies
Some kid who write GoTs fan fictiongoing into a trance and typing, dead eyed: "The wolf shall lie down with flayed man, and Euron Greyjoy shall be featured next season."
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
Interesting that the iron throne didn't make an appearance all season.
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
on loan to Empire
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
shoutout to stannis today
― 龜, Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CICKU1mWoAAfBly.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
nice day for back yard barbeque
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Sunday, 21 June 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 21 June 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
mom isn't gonna make it the cookout after all
― sarahell, Sunday, 21 June 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
she's hanging out in the woods
(sorry)
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
did this thread go there yet, good
― got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
Love this stuffhttps://vimeo.com/132571771
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
also please note: no ice dragons
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
Maybe they used computers to erase them!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
Pred ship?
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
Well just started watching this, up to S1E7. Pretty amazing! The villains are a bit OTT but they certainly inspire hate at a first glance. It's kind of like a soap opera with a lot more killing.
Daenerys is the main reason I'm watching, after seeing a clip of her with a couple dragons. Holy shit that episode where she eats the horse heart and then they dumb that molten gold onto her sniveling brother's head. I was getting sick of his shit. The Dothraki storyline is definitely my favorite.
I did enjoy Tyrion using his trial to tell as many off-color jokes as possible. Can see why Peter Dinklage is a fan favorite.
I did see the South Park before this, so every time the theme song starts I think back to that and LOL.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzC2DRgEo4
I started reading the books on vacation last week, I'm about halfway through Clash of Kings right now. Enjoying it, and it's fast reading because I know what's going to happen for the most part, but goddamn people are spot on about Martin's prose being painful reading.
― dan m, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
The Dothraki storyline is definitely my favorite.
I think this makes you unique
― Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
dan m have you read genre fiction previously Y/N?
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
Yes, but not a whole lot. Most was probably Dragonlance type books in middle school.
― dan m, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
http://www.livenation.com/artists/136195/rave-of-thrones
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
well he certainly puts the prose of dragonlance (not to mention wheel of time, shannara) to shame, no? GRRM is no jack vance-- he's not even my favorite active doorstop fantasy writer-- but IDG this notion that his writing is painfully bad
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
I prefer JiC's fake GRRM prose tbh
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
I haven't read the book but p much every excerpt I've seen is just head-smackingly painful, idk how people slog through 1000s of pages of that garbage
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
for the descriptions of boobs
― Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
agree it is both bad and above average for the genre
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
Hah.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
you mean dragon eggs
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
I guess the badness kind of comes and goes in waves? idk, I'll be chugging along totally fine and then there'll be a series of passages that stop me in my tracks, then I can continue on like no big deal. Definitely better than Dragonlance, but that's just the majority of might & magic style fantasy stuff I've ever read.
― dan m, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
GRRM's prose is totally fine and adequate, I mean he's not like "a stylist" or whatever, but I think that's probably good thing considering the vast bulk of this thing.
― Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
A lot of people here can slog through all sorts of comics, sitcoms, cartoons, films. Tough bastards.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
to be fair there are not a lot of real prose stylists writing high fantasy (even vance only dabbled in that genre for 3 books)-- writers of that bent have tended more toward gray-area lit-fantasy (Wolfe, Crowley, Blaylock, etc)
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, July 15, 2015
hmm could it be the passages excerpted are typically the lolsiest?
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
no, there's all kinds of excerpts all over the net
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
it's just a story.
― ian, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:01 PM
seems like it would be easier/less time-consuming to read the books vs combing the net for excerpts but chacun à son goût and all that
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link
it's not like this is some obscure piece of work, this is a cultural juggernaut that's all over the place, I don't have to go looking v hard for GoT stuff to be in my face
my opinion of him as a crap writer stands
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
i take it you haven't read Ready Player One
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link
because seriously given what gets held up as "good" in genre work, GRRM is a titan.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
moving goalposts here
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
why is fantasy writing so bad its def worse than scifi and like way worse than crime right
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
Pron opened the musty tome, releasing a cloud most foul. "Reminds me of a maiden I once knew," he muttered out loud. Ser Mud of the Bog people merely tilted his head in response. Pron signed. He is a fool, thought Pron, and deaf as an Earless Man. But as long as he held a sword and I am at risk, he remains my fool.
Pron sighed, setting down the book. "The maiden, she smelled terribly," Pron explained, more out of habit than in hopes of reaching the impenetrable Mud. "But not nearly as terribly as I did after a night draining seven flagons. I seem to recall waking in a barn, nestled in a pile of fresh dung. Or was it a pool of my own filth? No matter. It was nothing a warm bath could not remedy. But you wouldn't know about that, would you?" Ser Mud again offered no response. "I am speaking of course of baths, not bedding maidens." Pron paused. "Anyway, the book."
The book had not been opened in a hundred summers, at least, but Pron knew it held clues as to his own lineage. Men had fought and died for knowledge less valuable than what waited between its covers, and for once Pron felt fortunate for all those hours spent learning letters. In fact, were it not for whores and drink, reading would be his greatest love. While his brothers spent their days swinging swords and prodding at reluctant maidens, Pron spent his days and nights engrossed in books, learning of the world while worldly pleasures waited in the wings. Needless to say, he had spent much of his life making up for lost experiences, if not swordplay than most certainly prodding. Perhaps one day someone will write a book about me, thought Pron. Or several, even. Long ones. Really, really long ones. He ran a finger down the center of the page while Ser Mud picked wax out of his ear. Pron shuddered. If only this deaf fool beside me could read, he thought. When we return home I'd gift him several books of hygiene from the royal library.
As if on cue, Ser Mud swallowed whatever it was that stuck to the end of his forefinger. Pron stifled a gag and turned back to the book.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link
I wouldn't even read GOT cos I'm more into it as a TV show, it seems written well for TV. If I want a medieval fix I will read non-fiction/history.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
Josh, which book is that from, ACOK?
― :wq (Leee), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
ACOCK
My biggest issue with GRRM is that I really do admire his world building and huge family trees and all sorts of other little details that do eventually pay off, or at least reward attention. But at the same time, he has this distinctly by-the-word spin in place style. That may be why the shows work so well, because it really propels the pulpy plot forward, usually intelligently, jettisoning the unnecessary stuff while accenting just the right world-building details. Then again, my understanding is that things the show seems to be getting right may seem wrong to those familiar with the book, and of course, the show has had more than its fair share of unforced errors. Like, let's change this part ... (yay!) ... into THIS part! (boo!)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
I finished the first season and the first couple of episodes of 2. WOW so crazy. The Queen Cersei is so amazingly evil. She's so mean to Tyrion in that one scene! Ahhh! So evil!
The King Joffrey is detestable too. They are both so great as villains, they really are. It is fun to see that the larger world of GOT is full of characters that will hopefully fuck them up. I get the feeling they are in over their heads but the Lannisters seem to have a knack for survival.
The Daenerys storyline has taken off even more than I thought it would. I was wondering if something would happen to Drogo and then just a few episodes later she is burning him and the sorceress who failed to save his life. She lost the power that he wielded but it is cool bc she is creating something of her own. With dragons.
The baby dragons scene at the end of season 1 was AWESOME. I am so psyched for the rest of the show.
http://history-behind-game-of-thrones.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/daenerys-dragon-birth.jpg
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 17 July 2015 03:13 (nine years ago) link
Loving your enthusiasms, keep posting. You're still some way off peak craziness/fuckedupness.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 17 July 2015 08:23 (nine years ago) link
I have always loved pop fantasy it's easily my favorite genre. This show is some great stuff.
I do appreciate the two scheming advisers, they are very Shakespearean. The last episode I saw there was a scene with some people having sex on a chess board. Super writerly. That's the sense of humor this show has.
Cersei is very hard to read, her expression and reaction to anything comes across as perpetually dissatisfied. I get the feeling she has been doing this a long time, ruling in all but name while her husband was off hunting and whoring. She has powers but they are dependent on the whims of the murderous men around her, much like Daenerys.
Cersei makes me think of Hatshepsut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatshepsut). Hers is a very interesting story. Queen pharaoah of Egypt for 22 years, married to her half brother, usurped the throne from her step-son and made him her military advisor.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
Blowing through season 2. It isn't as good as season 1. I could do without the entire Qarth subplot, really. I liked her Daenerys character arc last season bc she was consistently dealt the most insane and/or horrible circumstances and then powered through on the force of her own will. This season is more kind of pointless, her commanding her tribe or her hosts or anybody in sight to do things for her, them to refuse, and her to quickly sentence them to a firey death from above in the unforeseen future.'
The newer characters and the cast of all the different parties vying for kingship is interesting but the heart of the show remains the cruel and always entertaining Lannisters.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 July 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
Would watch a buddy cop spin-off with Tyrion and his bodyguard.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 July 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
Ssn 2 is great but more for Kings Landing stuffI was having trouble remembering back to when Dany's story was interesting
― Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Saturday, 18 July 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
Don't worry, Dany's story picks up MASSIVELY in s3. Then nose dives a bit, but I still think most people underrate her as a character.
OTM that s1>s2, and that the best bits of s2 revolve around the Lannisters.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 18 July 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
The Lannisters are the best house all round really, that's pretty much a fact.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 18 July 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
Yes definitely.
Ok the end of season 2 was nice. I guess if you are holding off on showing the dragons until the last episode again you could do worse with a scene where they are all shooting fire through Daenerys and roasting her would-be captors.
The army of the undead....woah. They really nailed the sound when the undead king screeches there. Is it the dead who die beyond the wall that come back, or all of them? Cos there are a lot of corpses showing up all around...
I guess it is good to know they can be killed by fire. Probably should be placing all bets on the fire-proof woman with fire-breathing dragons. Still, Sansa said it best when she predicted Joffrey would survive, "The worst ones always do".
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 July 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
Woah.... just finished S4E2. I did NOT see Joffrey dying, I thought he would be around to torment everyone for the entire series. They did give him a great send-off, it's like a greatest hits of horrible spitefulness. And Cersei grinning off to the side through the whole thing, trying to hold back the laughter. These are some of the most evil characters I have seen portrayed on screen in a long time.
I really liked how the episode was playing w fan assumptions. "Oh who would kill someone at a wedding?", that warrior guy whose kin was killed by Tywin, Shae being as LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS AS POSSIBLY while Tywinn threatens to kill the next whore seen w Tyrion. I half expected that cake to have a dead prostitute in it that he had just sliced in half.
Really hope Shae is gone for good, she was just annoying for most of her screen time by the end. Tbh she really took me out of it. It seemed like the dangerous and violent world of the Lannisters (and her dead fellow prostitutes) was entirely separate from whatever life she had w Tyrion.
Joffrey's eyes turned that pale blue color, the same color as the army of the undead. I'm hoping his body is stolen away before they can do a formal cremation and he becomes an undead Joffrey w 100x the evil of his former self.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
think you might be misreading cersei's reaction to her son's grizzly death
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
Hah no i meant the little play before that, and the gleeful abuse of his uncle.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
Tho thank God they shut down his plan on involving Robert Stark's head in the preceedings.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
just wait until you get to season 5 and the army of the dead shows up led by Ned Stark riding Dany's dead dragon
― Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
Dude save that for the spoiler thread.
― :wq (Leee), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
Finally finished season 5. Stannis burning his daughter was really painful, and it's a testament to how cruel the show is to its characters that very soon after everything went to complete shit for and he got what was coming to him. Brienne was able to finally keep her oath, but she's kind of a sad case imo, she's obviously super capable but has the extreme misfortune to often be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Either that or the person she is trying to save doesn't want to be saved at that moment. Missing the candle in the window by seconds was gtfo
Dany's story has gotten more and more interesting, I think it took a while to get into the whole leading-sure-is-hard part where she's at, and for a while she was just going from city to city conquering w this super simplistic and reductive way of going about it. Now she's out hanging w her dragon, which I kind of wonder is a first time thing for her, I'm assuming her actually flying on the dragon in the ep was for the first time.
This show keeps getting more and more grim. It is hard for me to watch any scene w Arya because it may erupt in extreme gore. A silly complaint given the show but I tend to watch out the corner of my eye when things get really brutal. Wouldn't have it any other way, all the violence, all the horrible things that are shown in this show, are all things that happened during the dark ages, not the squeaky clean medieval fantasy that I kind of grew up w in pop culture.
On that note the walk of shame was pretty crazy, and I guess something that really happened. I'm still kind of fuzzy on the whole arrangement, how the fanatics were given power that usurps the king and queen, as manipulative and calculating as Cersei is it seems like she would've foreseen that, but maybe not. Was the entire purpose of granting them power to get rid of her new inlaws? I am guessing in the next season she will just have Franken-Mountain chop all fanatics in half.
Jon Snow bleeding out in the snow, was there really any other end to this guy? Like Stannis he was fixated on the big picture and it allowed his growing enemies to sneak up behind him and stab him in the back (or the front, repeatedly). Not gonna hold out for Franken-Jon-Snow but who knows...
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
Dany's story has gotten more and more interesting
Haha, this really is the reverse of commonly held opinion. I still like her stuff more than most do though.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
http://deadline.com/2015/08/ian-mcshane-max-von-sydow-cast-game-of-thrones-season-6-1201491099/
― nomar, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
Not gonna hold out for Franken-Jon-Snow but who knows...
yeah, don't think you can run for Veep if not from Earth
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
Well I really liked her first season arc but once she became a ruler sitting on her throne for most of it, it was kind of dull. Post-Joffrey and post-Tywin the Lannisters are really floundering in King's Landing. Doing what they do best, killing and disgracing other people not named Lannister, but those tactics are starting to wear thin. Now that the small council is gone (and more or less under Dany's wing now) I think it's a less interesting story than it used to be w those two characters. Not that Jonathan Pryce didn't bring a heck of a lot of great acting to that storyline, but w Dany's story you get the feeling she is at least evolving and learning from her mistakes. Stannis, Jon Snow, even Cersei are all victims of their own obsessions while Dany doesn't exactly know what she wants. Plus she has survived 5 seasons relatively unscathed, so she's really in the best position right now than all of them.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
I thought Dany's story was looking up when Tyrion showed up. Would have liked to see the two them plotting world domination, but then Dany gets whisked away to hang out with barbarians again. Seems like stalling, but maybe she'll find a magic amulet or something that will be super important.
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
can't wait for danys to storm kings landing with her dragons and army of dothraki and eunuchs and jorah "clobberin time" mormon and tyrion.
― nomar, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
Basically where Tyrion goes I go.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
Jorah Mormont more like Borah Moron aren't I correct?
― :wq (Leee), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
was wondering how Lovejoy hadn't been in this yet
― kinder, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
I think Dany's story has improved too. In most of the earlier seasons her scenes were usually my least favourite but that could partly be to do with my loving the greener and colder settings more than the sandy places (that certainly holds true for Mario videogames).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
i'm on s01e03. this is really pretty bad. how is everyone so into this.
― goole, Monday, 26 October 2015 01:48 (eight years ago) link
it gets a lot better, then worse.
― ryan, Monday, 26 October 2015 02:19 (eight years ago) link
great!
― goole, Monday, 26 October 2015 02:37 (eight years ago) link
Its p consistently empty/pointless imo
It has boobs and dragons, to answer yr question goole
― Οὖτις, Monday, 26 October 2015 03:12 (eight years ago) link
fun stuff happens eventually
― polyphonic, Monday, 26 October 2015 03:53 (eight years ago) link
season 1 coheres once you see its finale. it sets things up slowly.
― aaaaablnnn (abanana), Monday, 26 October 2015 03:58 (eight years ago) link
I read it as S03e01 and still agree that it gets better then worse
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
Season 4 is still my favourite season of any show.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 10:52 (eight years ago) link
this continues to be bad. i'm sticking with it out of... well i don't really know why
dinklage is a bad actor. nobody is really that great, but he's particularly bad. a lot of these people seem lost in their accents.
it has a teenage dork's idea of debauchery and high politics. scenes where people are subtly threatening each other are excruciating. the sense of a world driven by adult desire is signified by men talking about fucking whores all the time. like, that's your gritty addition to the milieu of howard, moorcock, tolkein, and lieber is... giggly shit about prostitution?
― goole, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
What episode are you at? If you're not remotely interested in any characters by the end of the first season then it's unlikely you'll want to stick with it.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
like, that's your gritty addition to the milieu of howard, moorcock, tolkein, and lieber is... giggly shit about prostitution?
p much
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
also rapes
i've got like 2 left in s1.
― goole, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
may as well get to the "surprise" in the finale
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
well i already know about that. poor sean.
the politics don't make much sense either, no idea why this realm or throne even exists (just to have a venue for scheming i guess).
― goole, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link
GoT is one of those shows that definitely gets better even while it sort of doesn't. It's a frustrating paradox. (Unlike something like Walking Dead, which definitely gets much, much better past the first couple of seasons, but still pretty much stays bad.) So yeah, it never makes a lot of sense, and motivations remain pretty shallow and confused, but I'd say, sure, stick with it. As least the production value stays high, and the show does a good job getting you invested in the political machinations. Until it compulsively undercuts them. Or, er, overcuts them.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
season 1 is good but i think it's not as good as S2&3. 4 is good, 5 had some parts i didn't gel w/ but then again there was that massive white walkers episode, which was great.
― nomar, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link
After reading the books this past summer, I appreciate how well the show captured the good parts as well as how bad the bad parts are.
― ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
The show shows the subjugation of women and other groups, and even glorifies it at times. But the larger themes of the story are about rising up and taking the mantle of power imo.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
the tv show doesn't engage any consistent themes beyond the power struggles that serve as the main drivers of the plot. which are also about as banal as anything in Dallas or Falcon Crest
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
agree to disagree
― polyphonic, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
xpost Yeah, I agree. It's pretty soapy, but laced with portent and teeming with dragons and giants and magic and zombies.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
it's all about power, but it's power divorced from any reality or context. why anyone wants to be king/queen is mostly rooted in revenge fantasies and/or because they simply take it for granted that they *should* be. there's one glaring exception to this, and her plotline gets p ridiculous p quick (and still involves a bunch of birthright nonsense). the show has no moral center or point of view, and when it *does* try to go there (via Danaerys freeing slaves, for ex.) it is very clumsy.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
why anyone wants to be king/queen is mostly rooted in revenge fantasies and/or because they simply take it for granted that they *should* be.
The show is very clearly a critique of this!
― polyphonic, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
also this ignores both Bran and Arya's plot lines which have nothing to do with power in the ruling sense, though Arya is definitely out for revenge
― ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
also falcon crest and dallas were cool imo
― polyphonic, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link
I generally want to defend this show but there's a trend I dislike that's been popular probably since the 90s that's in GoT and Boardwalk Empire (which I've been loving recently): characters going into monologues that are either supposed to be cool or disquieting/sobering or moving. It often feels quite mechanical, forced and a bit cringey. You often get it in films/tv with criminals who start with "y'see it's like this..." and proceed to confidently rationalise their crimes as if they're justified or just an inescapable part of nature. Similar to Hannibal Lectures.
Glad I haven't read many new mainstream comics in a long time because they tend to be the absolute most excruciating for hip and "profound" dialogue.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
it's not a critique, it's just plot mechanics. there's no pattern to which people are punished for their ambitions vs which people are rewarded for them. people and their misplaced ambitions are age-old dramatic devices that drive action, and that's what they do on the show.
but the show is not about how, for example, power corrupts (Tolkien), or a contest between order and chaos (Moorcock) etc. It just sets a bunch of windup toys in motion and lets them go, there is no lesson to be drawn from it, no moral, no worldview explored. It's just a parade of boobs murder and the occasional dragon, in endless succession. It's empty.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
and before anyone jumps on me accusing me for asking to have my hand held through a story with a lesson at the end that's not what I'm getting at. Ambiguity is fine, contradictions are fine, nuances are fine - but the show isn't interested in underlying themes of the nature of power or evil or good or human institutions or gender or race or economics or anything at all really, it's just a series of titillating setpieces
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
It just sets a bunch of windup toys in motion and lets them go, there is no lesson to be drawn from it, no moral, no worldview explored. It's just a parade of boobs murder and the occasional dragon, in endless succession. It's empty.
That's kind of the point I think. Nothing really matters since we're all gonna die anyway, either killed by ice zombies or some other way.
― silverfish, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I think having no moral is this show's worldview. A lot of fucked up shit happens in real life for no reason.
It will still probably have some kind of happy ending though.
― Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
I think the show is extremely moral. Goodness *is* good, even if good people often suffer.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link
I don't think GRRM is interested AT ALL in exploring the worn-out "good vs. evil" tropes of most fantasy stuff. He is definitely interested in human institutions, gender, race, economics, etc. How well he explores those themes is questionable, but they are there.
― schwantz, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
How well he explores those themes is questionable, but they are there.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:27 (eight years ago) link
imo the books are better at this than the show for what that's worth
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link
seconded
― ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
agree that the second and third seasons are the best, if only relatively. the show over all has settled into a rhythm of turgid exposition for 8 or so episodes, leavened with bits of casual violence and nudity, and then 2 episodes of genuine dramatic development. outside of tyrion all the characters have little complexity, just some bare-bones notion of "conflict" which mechanically propels them forward in the narrative. it sucks.
― ryan, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
the most interesting thing by far is the mythological world building, particularly the mysteries surrounding the events before the first novel and the deeper history of westeros, but the show has no idea how to present that materia.
― ryan, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
material
I'd agree with that. The most interesting aspect is the world building, which is the show is probably incapable of adequately conveying. Right now it is certainly coasting far below the level of the LotR movies in that regard, and obviously they left tons out.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 October 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
Eh most interesting to me is watching the Lannister house tear itself apart from the inside. Also there is your moral compass in action. Good guys die a lot here but the bad guys inevitably get what's coming.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
winter?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
I've been reading lots of early medieval history lately and its like GoT happening over and over again, minus the dragons. But people back then believed in even crazier stuff than that. I'm sure the Vikings seemed like White Walkers at the time too.
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
Also lol only 2 dead lannisters so far. Meanwhile literally everyone from house stark is dead except arya and bran.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
Xxp
And Rickon, and probably Sansa and Jon.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Jon looks p dead, rickon kinda belongs to another house. I forgot sansa tho yeah. She probably wishes she were dead at this pt.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
Tywin, Joeffrey, Myrcella, Martyn, and Willem = 5 dead Lannisters
― polyphonic, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
I dont even know who those last 3 are. Were they on the show?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
I think the last two were murdered while prisoners of Rob Stark
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
Anyway my pt is its weird to argue that lannisters suffering is proportionate to their crimes. At best they suffer slightly less than more sympathetic characters.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link
do we know that Myrcella is dead? Is that a book spoiler?
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
Show hasn't made a terribly compelling argument, imo, for why anyone would want the iron throne, given the frequency of murders, executions and assassinations. Especially since the show has made a compelling argument that there are a dozen other better places to live than King's Landing. But that could be because the show hasn't clarified the elaborate history of the book. All the "how did we get here" background, which my nerd(ier) friends have explained to me Like, the importance of Valyrian Steel, etc.
But yeah, the story (as such) would be more effective minus the deus ex dragon and unbeatable threats of zombie hordes. Vikings might as well have been zombies, but really ... they weren't. And in terms of this show, half the cast is essentially Viking-esque anyway.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
afaik yes, that is a book spoiler
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link
like I don't think there's any evidence Martin or the showrunners intend the Lannisters as a cautionary tale. Suffering is meted out arbitrarily on this show, if anything it's POV seems to be "you're fucked no matter what you do" ie garden variety nihilism.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link
Same nerd(ier) friends agrees that is the point, too. That a la history, good intentions are not enough, and bad stuff happens to good or well meaning people all the time, for capricious and greedy and stupid reasons. Doesn't do the narrative any favors, and yeah, nuclear option dragons and hordes of shambling metaphors complicate the nihilistic simplicity a little.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
I'm holding out hope for something along the lines of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY
― schwantz, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
Y'all didn't see last season?
― polyphonic, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
or read the books
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
a bloody nose in a season finale doesn't inevitably mean death jeez
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
i thought she just got hit by a basketball
― nomar, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
I mean I am assuming that she's dead based on context clues. I haven't read the book. I suppose she could have just had a very chill nosebleed?
― polyphonic, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
I guess Reek and Sansa must be dead too. Last time we saw them they jumped off a high wall RIP
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
Buncha jokesters around here
― polyphonic, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
if jon's dead i'm rhaegar targaryen
― nomar, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
It would be silly to assume that after cutting away from the nosebleed scene, Jaime fetches her a tissue and she politely thanks him. But seriously, even her being in a coma or something as a result wouldn't be exactly likely after it was established that the sand snakes intended to kill her. Especially since she wasn't a very important character.
― Evan, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
not a book spoiler, show is both somewhat divergent and ahead on that. seemed p fatal on the show.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
ugh the sand snakes
― nomar, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link
never forgethttp://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/S5-E6-SS-fight-2.gif
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 October 2015 21:26 (eight years ago) link
i never quite got the sand snakes hype cuz in the books they're kinda just plotting and bitching and then it turns out doran is three steps ahead of them and it's kinda yr first inkling that he's smarter and maybe deadlier than his brother. i remember someone somewhere compared them to boba fett in terms of gap between rep and any actual badassery we witness. on the show they weren't even that. they did give us my favorite pair of breasts on the show i guess. alot of the dorne stuff i guess was either providing backstory or providing a way for, uh, house targaryean to come back to westeros.
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
that's accurate, but what is Martin but a massive hypeman for for shit that doesn't actually go down?
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 31 October 2015 04:53 (eight years ago) link
I don't see the suffering as completely arbitrary. Tyrion being blamed for Goffrey's death is the tail end of a lifelong hatred between him, his sister, and father. They put him on trial and he responds by killing his father, in part as punishment for a lifetime of abuse. There are motivations here that are built up through the first few seasons. things seem less anarchic IMO in the latter seasons. Karma getting doled out on a more regular basis.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 October 2015 09:40 (eight years ago) link
Not even the Red Wedding was arbitrary--Rob had no business being a king if he was going to be breaking oaths to nobles and stuff
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Saturday, 31 October 2015 10:07 (eight years ago) link
FWIW when I said "yes, that's a book spoiler" I meant "that is a spoiler for events that have not yet been covered in the books based on what interviews I've read"
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
some chatter about maisie's thread being minimized next season as/if/when she becomes a doc who fixture
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
Boooo!
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
oh just recast the part. no one will notice
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link
Get one of the old Mountain actors.
― :wq (Leee), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 02:46 (eight years ago) link
They could theoretically write her into another actor bcs of the whole many-faced god thing anyway.
― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 03:18 (eight years ago) link
Is there actually anything to that talk other than "reporter realises that she's returning to Doctor Who for episode that's been scheduled since before the season started"?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 04:01 (eight years ago) link
prob not but he does need a new assistant and she would be great and is raving about script quality
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 04:24 (eight years ago) link
i'm near the end of s3 and this continues to be pretty bad! it's watchable enough to keep my curiosity going.
the rhythmic element i'm really beginning to hate is the "humanizing monologue" about some terrible thing in the past from a badguy character.
it has a teenager's sensibility. the lannisters are supposed to be subtle and devious; they're all crude and obvious (cersei especially, can't tell if that's the writing or performance but neither are good). the love plot between tyrion and shae is unwatchable. none of the characters really seem like they live and breathe the ideology of dynastic struggle; *every single* political marriage has been taken like it was a bad prom date, like nobody can really see what's coming or get how life is.
there's hardly any lightness, none of these people are funny, none really seem like they are of different personality from each other. the language is lifeless.
the nobility were hardly ever alone. they were surrounded by their relatives, their staff, their households. the show is underpopulated. everyone seems to be in transit or being abducted between one of like five places, wouldn't they just run into each other in the middle?
great show.
― goole, Friday, 6 November 2015 04:29 (eight years ago) link
God, I'm glad I dont demand such realism from my bodice-rippers.
― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Friday, 6 November 2015 04:34 (eight years ago) link
no need to rip anything, there's guaranteed boob!
― goole, Friday, 6 November 2015 04:37 (eight years ago) link
i liked the one w the guy in the box.
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 6 November 2015 04:40 (eight years ago) link
got more of a boobage ripper
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 November 2015 04:59 (eight years ago) link
I think quite a few of the characters are funny. And despite what everyone says about relentless grimness (which spellcorrects as firmness) I think there's plenty of lighter moments (not that I necessarily require them but it would be a different show without them).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 6 November 2015 07:20 (eight years ago) link
yeah I don't get how you don't think Tyrion is funny, he's a droll little fellow (zomg book spoilerz)
― pratt truss it (dan m), Friday, 6 November 2015 07:23 (eight years ago) link
goole otm
― ryan, Friday, 6 November 2015 13:27 (eight years ago) link
Not exactly sure why or how the Lannisters as a group are supposed to be subtle but as much as I love the show can't argue with a most of that
― tsrobodo, Friday, 6 November 2015 13:38 (eight years ago) link
the lannisters aren't supposed to be subtle, they're supposed to be devious, conniving assholes and everyone in the show knows it
― pratt truss it (dan m), Friday, 6 November 2015 14:16 (eight years ago) link
i absolutely loved this one
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Friday, 6 November 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link
confession: i was the guy in the box
i didn't like how it ended
cersei especially, can't tell if that's the writing or performance but neither are good
i'm almost through season 4. I go back and forth on cersei; obviously the character intentionally enters every conversation with the goal of cutting the other person down to size and showing off her power by getting the brutal last word. And while that makes sense for the character, it gets so one-note at a certain point! And since that's basically all she does, the monologues about how much she loves her children seem kind of bogus, which I don't think they're supposed to.
― intheblanks, Friday, 6 November 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
also i think the performance is intentionally a little hammy, like someone who is in over their head but trying to act like they think powerful people act. Just the way she holds her wine glass, for example. But like i said, it gets a little one-note at a certain point.
― intheblanks, Friday, 6 November 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
yeah her character in particular seems like it was conceived ad hoc. of all the people to be really mad that her daughter was being married off! and the incest? it's treated like this 'ooh nasty' broken taboo w/o any hint at a deeper psyche.
― goole, Friday, 6 November 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
she's the ICE QUEEN who does DIRTY THINGS and is REALLY MEAN but *writes in column titled 'humanizing element'* REALLY LOVES HER KIDS
― goole, Friday, 6 November 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link
I do actually enjoy reading some of the more demanding critiques and find half of it fair but I always get the feeling that people are always being way way way harsher toward overrated hyped things (this is my favourite tv show but all these things get overrated by lots of people) then going to film, comedy, comics and videogames threads saying "Mmmmmmm I love these yummy smelly turds, feed me more turds!" Maybe I'm just as guilty of this but it makes me want to keep a journal on every member who seems to hold vastly different standards for different things (I'm less familiar with Goole's opinions so I have no comparisons right now).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 6 November 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link
I have more sympathy for someone who tears apart a crappy film they sat through for some reason than people who watch 4 seasons of a tv show they hate every second of.
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 6 November 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
idk, if ever there was a show to watch despite yourself
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 6 November 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link
I do actually enjoy reading some of the more demanding critiques and find half of it fair but I always get the feeling that people are always being way way way harsher toward overrated hyped things
I wasn't as harsh as goole from the start, but as season 4 becomes an increasing slog for me, those points really do resonate. I think this show obviously has certain strengths (which is why it's so beloved!), but idk, goole's critiques aren't just "this show is boring" or "the characters are dumb" or something
For me, the show always had an strain of cheap cynicism masquerading as "realness," but it becomes overwhelming as the seasons continue, and as the villainous characters become more cardboard and stupid.
― intheblanks, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
I think I've mentioned this upthread but cersei's irrational(?) love of her children is essentially the paradigm of what the show (books?) thinks of as the potential for chaotic evil over and against the masculine meritocratic codes of honor typified by ned stark. maternal (and maybe Oedipal) love, is dangerous specifically because it is concerned for nothing but itself, and it is what sets the whole crazy ball of the narrative in motion. not sure that reading holds up but it's interesting to think about.
― ryan, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
not for nothing do father figures (or potential ones) kinda die off one by one...
I assume that reading would draw a parallel between Cersei and mama Stark (whose name I can't remember)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link
yes and also dany's trying to square the whole "mother of dragons" righteous fury thing with the (coded masculine in this reading) realities of governance. dany trying to be father and mother.
― ryan, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link
xp - though the show eliminated a plot involving Mrs. Stark's chaotic "evil" as a result of maternal love; i actually really wanted that to happen.
― sarahell, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
who knows what might happen next season?
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 November 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link
funniest thing on the whole show so far was the kid night watcher killing the redhead barbarian woman and then giving jon snow a sweet li'l nod. thanks buddy, you did it.
― goole, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4oQzTGTc_g
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
― goole, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
lol goole "this show is bad"... two weeks later season 4
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 November 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
i think i feel okay enough to admit i only watch the show now for the sweet action scenes
― 龜, Sunday, 15 November 2015 12:46 (eight years ago) link
But they are so few and far between.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 15 November 2015 13:16 (eight years ago) link
i know... honest im just on my phone in betewen the fight scenes. i have no idea whats going on in the show anymore or how its different from the books
― 龜, Sunday, 15 November 2015 13:17 (eight years ago) link
When the violent noises start you look up?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 15 November 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
yuyp
― 龜, Sunday, 15 November 2015 13:26 (eight years ago) link
Were you watching the Spartacus tv series?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 15 November 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
Whats that
― 龜, Sunday, 15 November 2015 13:55 (eight years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus_(TV_series)
It initially looked like a shoestring budget version of 300, I thought it looked terrible but a lot of people said it was great silly fun and surprisingly engaging (but people said that about 300: Rise Of An Empire and they were wrong).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 15 November 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link
Spartacus >>>>>> GoT
― I know when that Ott line zings (Spottie), Sunday, 15 November 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link
Cool man i'll check it out
i don't like action scenes or fighting scenes when they get too corny or goofy i like it when they have just the right amount of gravitas which is why i still watch GoT
― 龜, Sunday, 15 November 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link
Look forward to lots of manly laughterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2hgQLlUWGo
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 15 November 2015 14:25 (eight years ago) link
i like when ppl r slaughtered at weddings
― lag∞n, Sunday, 15 November 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
from that pov this is the best show ever
goon you gotta see new jack city
― balls, Sunday, 15 November 2015 21:05 (eight years ago) link
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12239632_10153329887947734_6491088909217600952_n.jpg
― Number None, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12239632_10153329887947734_6491088909217600952_n.jpg?oh=cd3903df2a63cb8d7faff48b05612fb7&oe=56E6E854
you've got red on you, jon snow
― pratt truss it (dan m), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
jeez hbo spoiler tag plz
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 23 November 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
he's just resting
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
Not that it's surprising, but once you start bringing characters back to life, even in a world with thousands of snow zombies, then nothing really matters, does it? I only read the first couple of books, but it sounds like the show skipped/avoided the bizarro Lady Snowbrain or whatever plot, right? Just reading descriptions of that made no sense to me. So however he's brought back, assuming he is, and there is no reason not to assume he will be, then what the hell? Is he going to fight Zombie Mountain? Parley with the snow zombies? Bring all his ample dead family back, too?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 November 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
maybe he's just going to "chill"
― Number None, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
zombie Jon Snow will be extremely sexual, calling it now
― polyphonic, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
Well, yeah.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link
sexy zombie jon snow is gonna be THE halloween costume for 2016
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link
bloodied man buns and leather jerkins all along the bushwick horizon
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:16 (eight years ago) link
oh yeah i forgot he was deaded
― kinder, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
HBO: We Did It For the Watch
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 01:05 (eight years ago) link
starting the second episode of this, seems like a naturalistic lord of the rings or something
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 27 December 2015 04:56 (eight years ago) link
i feel like this would maybe be better with wizards in it
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 27 December 2015 05:11 (eight years ago) link
this is like downton abbey meets breaking bad
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 27 December 2015 05:29 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U
― nomar, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link
Lookin' good.
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 00:25 (eight years ago) link
Ian McShane:
“You say the slightest thing and the internet goes ape. I was accused of giving the plot away, but I just think get a fucking life. It’s only tits and dragons.
They asked me if I wanted to do Game of Thrones and I said, 'Sure, I’ll be able to see my old pals Charlie Dance and Stephen Dillane’ and they said, 'No, we’ve killed them off.’ I wasn’t sure whether I could commit, but then they said it would only be for one episode, so I said, 'So that means I must die at the end of it. Great, I’m in.’ ”
― impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, 14 March 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
"Mostly tits with the occasional dragon" more like
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 March 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link
that sounds like an adult version of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 14 March 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
i've been rewatching s1 for some reason and this criticism of goole's
really is funny: there's a scene where sean bean and carcetti are walking in a vast garden containing not a single other living soul save the identically dressed attendants raking the gravel, about 50% of whom carcetti points out as spies for one or other of the three people who walk in the garden and scheme. it's like borges.
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 March 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
ha ha A contrast to Rome where there were always servants hanging around in the background even during the sex scenes
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
king robert's fatal hunting party is also literally four people: the king, his ineffectual squire, his gay brother who hates hunting, and an old guy
unrelatedly, boy do people in this show do that thing where they walk away from the other guy in the scene and the other guy asks a weighted question and the first guy stops walking while a shot of his unhappy face captures his smug, blurry interlocutor over the shoulder
anyway i expect i'll be all caught up by the end of this week
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
otoh Literally every scene in a royal palace is characters scheming so if there were a bunch of servants hanging around the internet would be complaining about how dumb the characters were for talking in front of them and so unrealistic and totally took me out of it
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
not sure there's a better moment in s1 than when a conversation between carcetti and the eunuch (pretty sure this guy is the most reliable actor in the show btw) goes on and on and on with each line more pregnant with dramatic hostility than the one before it, until finally they get out of it by having renly bound in and yell WHAT ARE YOU TWO CONSPIRING ABOUT?
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
will doubtless return to this with my tail wagging eager for more punishment
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs
this is a killer for charades btw
― ogmor, Monday, 14 March 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, March 14, 2016 2:57 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah the sense of scale is really small, way less than what i expected based on reading the books. maybe my mental imaginarium has been too influenced by the LotR movies idk
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 01:42 (eight years ago) link
in that respect (small scale) it's just myth ii: soulblighter, live action version
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 01:52 (eight years ago) link
i was thinking of vivec: monumental architecture, six people
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 02:02 (eight years ago) link
man i'm nerding out all over the early part of this thread, i'd forgotten
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 02:03 (eight years ago) link
the worst small scale shit in GoT was Dorne, which is apparently not a kingdom but a resort in its off season with some sand dunes over a nearby hill.
― nomar, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 02:50 (eight years ago) link
It's crazy to me that they set up a whole new unit in Spain to film...that
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 03:01 (eight years ago) link
GoT channeling borges gardens otm
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 March 2016 05:20 (eight years ago) link
― 龜, Monday, March 14, 2016 9:52 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm not sure what you mean by this but the fact that you brought this game up again makes me happy. I've always drawn connections between the game and the series as well but I'm not sure why the scale is relevant.
― Evan, Thursday, 17 March 2016 14:18 (eight years ago) link
all the battles in game were pretty small (like less than 100 combatants)
― 龜, Thursday, 17 March 2016 16:04 (eight years ago) link
Oh, got you. Yeah, though comparisons can be made beyond just that aspect. I think we've discussed this months ago here.
― Evan, Thursday, 17 March 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link
I'm not sure what you mean by this but the fact that you brought this game up again makes me happy.
same --- i played a lot of online myth 2 in my freshman year of college. dorf riot uber alles
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 17 March 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link
goole has colonized my reactions to this show to the extent that i'm now yelling HUMANIZING MONOLOGUE!! to nobody four times an episode. they make me happy tho because i think of how happy they must make the actors.
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 17 March 2016 17:49 (eight years ago) link
I played online a little bit but was a bit overwhelmed by the veterans there. CTF was nuts. However, I loved downloading plugins off of http://tain.totalcodex.net/ and combining them in all sorts of ways in singleplayer. Even had fun online playing with civil war tagsets. Definitely one of my fav games.
― Evan, Thursday, 17 March 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link
i used to play the WWII one. throw yr nades!
― 龜, Thursday, 17 March 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link
hehehe
http://www.colonizationfans.com/Images/screenshots/1/na-2.gif
― goole, Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link
yes i will watch s6.
Yes! Love it. Wonder if it still has a community. I think so, as The Tain looks like it's got some new content as far as I can tell.
― Evan, Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
― 龜, Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:59 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh yah i loved this one
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 17 March 2016 19:24 (eight years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2016/03/got-showrunners-say-they-wont-spoil-the-books.html
― Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 20:43 (eight years ago) link
So weird that from this point forward the show and books will be telling different stories. But then:
"So much of what we’re doing diverges from the books at this point .... People are going to be very surprised when they read the books after the show. They’re quite divergent in so many respects for the remainder of the show."
How the fuck do they know what Martin will or won't include in future unwritten books?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 21:09 (eight years ago) link
I imagine they're in contact with him enough to know the outlines of what he's going to do.
― Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link
Sure, no doubt. But ... he's got hundreds, thousands of pages to write over the course of several years. There is no way the guy is going to stick to whatever script he has in mind and equally hard to believe he won't crib from theirs.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link
equally hard to believe he won't die of a heart attack before he finishes
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 21:32 (eight years ago) link
Maybe George actually has all the books written and he just gets off on withholding them
― Number None, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 23:33 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/mm1Y2OI.png
― 龜, Saturday, 26 March 2016 13:16 (eight years ago) link
Haha that's great.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 26 March 2016 13:20 (eight years ago) link
I mean maybe the show won't exactly spoil the books, but I find it hard to believe that the show will vary so greatly from the endgame of the books or answers to big questions like "who are Jon snow's parents?"
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Saturday, 26 March 2016 14:11 (eight years ago) link
HBO jumping on the Talking Dead bandwagon by bringing in the Watch the Thrones podcast guys:
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-aftershow-bill-simmons-1201744931/
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 00:55 (eight years ago) link
I thought if UK had one surely America would too.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link
10k answers and no longer any spoiler issues; new season deserves a new thread, no?
― ulysses, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 17:46 (eight years ago) link
As I understand it the TV show will partly be ahead, but also partly behind?
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
It's already that way I think
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 18:46 (eight years ago) link
HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 18:56 (eight years ago) link
I can’t wait to completely ignore this sh1t and just listen to Achilles last Stand
― calstars, Sunday, 7 April 2019 00:38 (five years ago) link
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 7 April 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link
Always a wise plan
― pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 7 April 2019 01:12 (five years ago) link