probably already a thread, but if not, Tim Burton and Alice In Wonderland. Fuck you Tim Burton.

just saw a preview screening of this and it was so goddamn awful. ugggggghhhh quit fucking up my positive feelings towards johnny depp you jerk.

feel free to point me towards whatever thread is already discussing this, search function has failed me.

on the plus side, will scar many children and thus create some great confessional "i am broken inside" lit over the next 10 years.

was JUST about to start a thread about how in hmv they are sell 'adaptations' in novel form of tim burton's alice in wonderland. it blew my mind. i asked the guy at the counter about it, confused and he said he thought it was a sequel to the original novel and i was all THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS though and walked away in a huff.

i was informed tonight that this is actually supposed to be (and conceptualized as) a sequel to the original disney alice in wonderland, to which i respond with a hearty FUCK U

tim burton sucks

never more than now, apparently

it was like his remake of charlie and the chocolate factory, except without all the charm and respect to the original subject matter

OH WAIT

p.s.

Dark Shadows is an upcoming vampire film directed by Tim Burton and starring Johnny Depp. It is the most recent remake of the 1966-71 soap opera Dark Shadows.[1] The film will be released sometime in 2011.

Finding out that some friends of mine are actually LOOKING FORWARD to this is an even bigger disappointment than the fact that it's happening.

oh hey remember when every tim burton movie was an original idea instead of a mishandled rehash/remake of some previous intellectual property? those were good times.

xxpost HA DO YOU SEE

will see this out of duty this weekend. yeah, tim burton done got boring long ago. he's supposedly remaking frankenweenie via CGI, too. GET ONE ORIGINAL IDEA KNUCKLEHEAD.

was JUST about to start a thread about how in hmv they are sell 'adaptations' in novel form of tim burton's alice in wonderland. it blew my mind. i asked the guy at the counter about it, confused and he said he thought it was a sequel to the original novel and i was all THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS though and walked away in a huff.

― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 4 March 2010 08:40 (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"Through the looking glass" was first.

Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (1872) is a work of children's literature by Lewis Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson), generally categorized in the fairy tale genre.[citation needed] It is the sequel to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865). Although it makes no reference to the events in the earlier book, the themes and settings of Through the Looking-Glass make it a kind of mirror image of Wonderland: the first book begins outdoors, in the warm month of May, (May 4),[1] uses frequent changes in size as a plot device, and draws on the imagery of playing cards; the second opens indoors on a snowy, wintry night exactly six months later, on November 4 (the day before Guy Fawkes Night),[2] uses frequent changes in time and spatial directions as a plot device, and draws on the imagery of chess. In it, there are many mirror themes, including opposites, time running backwards, and so on.

ah, ok. (was sure it came before, in the anthology version I used to have)

not seen this yet but not got my hopes up cos the willy wonka film they did together was awful.

My friend just got tix for the grand opening (?) in Antwerp. Of course Depp nor anyone else from the film will be there but I am still jealous for her!

tim burton sucks

― ('_') (omar little), Thursday, March 4, 2010 8:42 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

have seen tons of posters advertising this. I gotta admit, helena bonham carter looks...striking

in the same way that a hot person would look 'smashing', i presume

General abuse and trashing of this film has been going on here:

Alice In Wonderland

I'm not sure if I can think of a director that has pissed away my good will more than Burton. Used to love love love him, but now I borderline can't stand him. Still will be going to see this because a) I'm a sucker for the visual design of his movies even if every other aspect sucks ass; b) my wife loves Johnny Depp and she is excited for this; c) Ann Hathaway.

darraghmac, nah, not attractive, but definitely attention grabbing, kinda in a matthew barney-ish type way

I'm not sure if I can think of a director that has pissed away my good will more than Burton

kind of encapsulates it perfectly, yeah. Planet of the Apes onward, he's just been a plain bad filmmaker.

I liked 9, but he was just producer on that.

He should enter a phase in his life where he produces.

whatever he neesd to do from here, continuing as a shitty 'cover band' director isn't it.

read an interview w/burton+depp about this, and burton said he'd never even read the books before he decided to do the movie. hmph.

what a pity, he could have 'reimagined' the back story so much more effectively if he had. dick.

"Sweeny Todd" was good, guys.

I expect this movie to be overwrought and silly, and that is exactly why I want to see it.

"sweeney todd was good" is an objective opinion, and it's a rubbish one. YOU'RE overwrought and silly imo.

I will be over here in the corner snickering with my objective opinion

a very tim burton image, that- can we perhaps entice you into these stripey dungarees?

sweeney todd wasnt bad actually no. everything else hes done in recent memory though has been bad. very bad. esp when he tries to get into some sort of childrens fantasy world, and involves johnny depp.

ie, this is otm -
"i'm a sucker for the visual design of his movies even if every other aspect sucks ass"

Sweeney Todd was probably his best of this decade, yeah, but not saying much.

Er, last decade, F U new decade switch.

Anne Hathaway is in this? From all the advertising I assumed Johnny Depp and his missus played every part.

think this has been gone through in every tim burton thread buck Sleepy Hollow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sweeney Todd

buck - but

nah, "Sleepy Hollow" = "Sweeney Todd"

missed chris walken in sweeney todd, must re-screen tbh

sleepy hollow is the only halfway decent movie this guy has ever made, fuck him forever

^^ all kinds of 8080

nah, "Beetlejuice", "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure", "Edward Scissorhands", the two Batman movies, "Sleepy Hollow", "Sweeney Todd" and "Mars Attacks!" were also good

I enjoyed "Planet of the Apes" and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and especially think the latter is underrated, but I am not sure I would actually say they were good movies.

I enjoyed "Planet of the Apes"

Has this sentence ever been written or uttered previously, I wonder?

before 2005 or whenever i guess it was, yeah

'I enjoyed Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes"' is a completely new construct in this or any other language however

ed wood is a masterpiece, sleepy hollow is a nice pastiche, the rest meh

i would add "nightmare before christmas" and def "ed wood" to dans list (and maybe remove a couple of things, but mostly agree). the problem here is that this is much much worse than charlie and the chocolate factory.

xpost

ed wood looked ok, i guess. i've never understood the total adoration for it, tbh. paper thin characters/performances, apart from the guy playing lugosi.

"Ed Wood" was good, apart from Johnny Depp

I haven't seen Sweeney Todd so maybe that was it but when was the last time Tim Burton made a watchable movie?

it's not ST

I'm not sure if I can think of a director that has pissed away my good will more than Burton.

this. kinda pathetic really.

xp Sleepy Hollow is my answer to that. Looked great, funny weird performances, action cracked along.

big fish wasn't terrible

/ducks

btw the live action 3d was all done in post and WOW can you tell, its like paper cutoutville. this wouldn't be all that shocking (this is not totally uncommon for 3d stuff, but still stupid) except for the fact that its completely obvious due to tons of irritating COMING OUT OF THE SCREEN AT U moments that this was always intended to be 3d, they were just too lazy or cheap to haul around a 3d camera for 30 minutes of the movie.

big fish was when i started to think he was really falling off.

I love how America is suddenly enamored of 3-D like its this NEW, EXCITING technology. Can't wait for the Jared Syn revival

i really like tim burtons 80s movies & big fish is p rad. at his worst dude is deeply contemptible but a) i have p high tolerance for whimisical narcissism b) a lot of his movies are visually compelling 2 me c) pathos of the grotesque i guess

Sleepy Hollow was sort of the flick that put me off Tim Burton. Planet of the Apes was the nail in the coffin.

So basically dude was a flash in the pan: Edward Scissorhands and Nightmare Before Christmas.

oh yeah, I forgot about "Nightmare Before Christmas", that should have been on my list too

I never saw "Ed Wood" which is why I didn't list it

btw it's not America enamored with 3D; it's studios/exhibitors clutching at straws.

also anyone who dislikes "Batman Returns" is a disgusting savage

I like Big Fish too! At the time I thought it was a stumble, but now I kinda look back on it fondly.

both Batman movies, Nightmare Before Christmas, Scissorhands, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Ed Wood, and Big Fish are all the ones I would keep around.

According to wiki he is also working on a big budget remake of Frankenweenie.

I'll rep for pretty much everything he did up through Sleepy Hollow, excepting the first Batman movie which is nigh unwatchable

anyone who doesn't like "Sleepy Hollow" doesn't understand the power of repeated comedy beheadings

I think I need to give that another viewing, haven't seen it since it came out.

how can this guy not make another film that isn't a remake?

corpse bride wasn't terrible either. possibly his last watchable film.

Sleepy Hollow's okay - too long and as usual the invented backstory is preposterous and unnecessary but yeah comedy beheadings and a tree that oozes blood make up for a lot

I forgot Corpse Bride, I did like that.

I didn't see "Corpse Bride", either

batman returns looked amazing but the story was just half hearted (but also a bit overloaded)

Storywise, I think "Batman Returns" is the only one of the four 80s/90s movies that stands up to Nolan's reboot.

sleepy hollow is engagingly lunatic but it really is at best half-good. its really empty and childish like a lot of his stuff he puts 2gether sum p amazing images

batman returns is still the best batman movie by like 1000 units of movie goodness measurement ne1 who says otherwise is either 15 or taylor swift partisan level retarded

batman returns - yes.

I freely admit that I might be giving "Sleepy Hollow"" a little more leeway due to Johnny Depp doing a pretty good imitation of Doctor Who in it.

xp: I rank "Batman Returns" equal to the new ones, but it is leaps and bounds above its 3 contemporaries (ESPECIALLY "Batman and Robin")

I actually liked "Planet Of the Apes" more than "Corpse Bride" and "Big Fish". Mainly because it was with a group of friends and we all got drunk and in good spirits before the "Apes" showing. Both "Corpse" and "Fish" had me leaving the theater feeling like I should have done something else with my time/money.

But yeah "Mars Attacks" is the last time I loved a TB movie.

He didn't direct Nightmare Before Christmas, either, he just got his name in the title bcz it was more marketable that was (iirc?). If you compare 'Corpse Bride' (Burton) to 'Coraline' (NMBC director Henry Selick), it's obvious Selick was responsible for making NMBC likable & interesting.

Selick is also notable for making me google his name every to save myself from potentially calling Tom Selleck.

calling HIM Tom Selleck, though I would like if it also stopped my incessant drunk dialing to the poor man

btw, i will now tell you all in advance what part of the movie you will hate the most using one nonsense word, and that word is Fudderwacken.

srsly, if they want to pull off the manchurian candidate thing, just say that word to anyone who's seen this film, and they will just prob kill anyone standing close to them in a blind rage

didn't Mr. Fudderwacken teach algebra at our high school

Fudderwacken

I don't know dude, Opeth put on a killer fucking set there one summer.

btw, don't tell me if this happens or not, but I am secretly hoping that the White Queen/Mad Hatter (lol I wrote "Mad Hater" initially) are actually the bad guys and they dupe Alice into destroying Wonderland

have we ever polled tim burton vs terry gilliam?

Well, who would win that?

the guy that made 12 monkeys would win it, not the other guy, who at this stage would not surprise anybody by attempting to remake 12 monkeys.

Fudderwacken

Is this some kind of new creature/Happy Meal toy?

John, if you ruin this movie by telling my what Fudderwacken is, I will fly to MN and kick you in the nuts

just so you know

Well, who would win that?

would come down to Brazil vs. Ed Wood for me, and Gilliam would win just because he has more actual ideas (in ADDITION to being an insane visual stylist)

hey, you can 'ruin' this piece of shit i will never see for me, tbh

John, if you ruin this movie by telling my what Fudderwacken is, I will fly to MN and kick you in the nuts

just so you know

― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Thursday, March 4, 2010 5:14 PM (1 minute ago)

oh no it is much better if you discover it on your own.

Fudderwacken is what TB and JD were explaining on the JR show.

pretty sure the definition is already on the other Alice in Wonderland thread

Oh God i just read it that sounds horrible.

ugh fudderwacken someone shoot tim burton in the face

I am just going to assume that Fudderwacken involves seeing Anne Hathaway topless until I see the movie

heh then it wouldn't be tim burton i'd be..... no i won't finish

more like udder whackin

looooooooooool

btw, i will now tell you all in advance what part of the movie you will hate the most using one nonsense word, and that word is Fudderwacken.

This is most certainly true.

Shocked at how many "best of" Burton lists leave off Beetlejuice. It's def my favorite of all his movies and it's not even a close contest.

pee wee's big adventure is the best comedy of the 80s

did not really 'get' sleepy hollow. but I will rep for big fish, had me crying at the end in the theatre.

Burton shoulda been murdered after he finished Ed Wood if there waz any justice in dis cruel world.

burton's shit way outweighs his good stuff. at this point his shit is so bad that it ruins his legacy.

this looks terrible btw but alice is sacred to me. even that american mcgee alice game was better than this.

I'm not sure if I can think of a director that has pissed away my good will more than Burton. Used to love love love him, but now I borderline can't stand him. Still will be going to see this because a) I'm a sucker for the visual design of his movies even if every other aspect sucks ass; b) my wife loves Johnny Depp and she is excited for this; c) Ann Hathaway.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:09 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i can't even fathom seeing this movie for the visual design -- repulsive color scheme and really bad-looking CGI everywhere. forget the overall quality of Burton's movies going downhill, what's the last one he made that even just looked particularly great?

i like pee wee's big adventure, i like his batman films ok, sleepy hollow is pretty entertaining and looks good, the rest i don't really have much use for personally

Eric otm that Beetlejuice ain't gettin enough love

even that american mcgee alice game was better than this

I really liked this game alot tbh. One of the coolest computer games I've played in years.

I think "Looking Glass" became my favorite Carroll book because of the Red King puzzle, and the train ride. It is whimsical and spiritual and surreal in the most dreamlike sense of the word. I think more than any other book "Looking Glass" directly most feels like a dream I could have.

Beetlejuice did too at one time. Same with Edward Scissorhands. I'm guessing probably not with this one.

Saw this tonight; otm whoever said American McGee is better.

btw, one of the most unforgivable parts of watching this is that the 3D version really strains your eyes. Unlike Coraline or Avatar (two 3D films I saw in theaters that totally didn't hurt my eyes at all), this one does all the shtick of throwing shit at you, or forcing objects to become really large and really close really quickly so you become cross-eyed. I had to take the glasses off a half dozen times during the film to give my eyes a rest.

also -- what he does to the source material (which is beloved in my eyes) is totally unforgivable. he turns it into fantasy bullshit goobley-gook nonsense. he takes the wonder and the surrealism and playfulness and turns it into Alice of the Rings. Just horrible.

Oh, and this really is the worst part: The way he has characters repeat "catch-phrases" from the original book to lend the film more "resonance" like that scene in Pirates of the Caribbean where Johnny Depp hums the original Pirates theme song. There seems to be literally no other reason for the way the film uses lines like, "curiouser and curiouser," or "how is a raven like a writing desk." Just to throw a bone to people who might have a fondness for the original. (And tho it might be a personal nitpick SPOILER ALERT if you're going to make Alice the protagonist of the Jabborwocky poem, why not explain within the narrative that she's the hero even tho the poem is about a boy instead of just DROPPING every line that mentions a male pronoun and totally ignoring everything else. Oh god. They actually call the day that Alice kills the Jabborwocky the "frabjous day" obv because of what the father says in the poem. But it's such a fucking abortion because it misses that Carroll was using that term to evoke feeling/memory/sensation through a neologism and not because he needed to invent a magic fantasy day for Wonderland. Holy shit. And the dance. Oh god. Like the freaking Shrek finale.)

Our Alice (that's *our* Alice) has always been proud of her association with the Wonderland story, and has also loved Tim Burton's films (Beetlejuice, NBChristmas, Corpse Bride, etc), OK she's probably a protogoth..

But apart from the soundtrack album which she also loves (particularly the "her name is Alice" song, obv) she has somewhat mixed feelings about the film

No doubt we will see it in due course. Will let you know...

It's so ugly too.

I like Tom Waits's "Alice" a whole hell of a lot.

Reading this (http://www.slate.com/id/2246923/?from=rss). It actually kinda makes me want to see it.

It's so ugly too.

― Mordy, Friday, March 5, 2010 3:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I think he's gone this route to sort of lower the baseline so that casting his wife doesn't seem like that bad of a move.

btw lisa marie >>> HBC, while we're on the 'bad moves tim burton' vibe.

Man I WS the fuck out of HBC but that's got nothing to do with Timbo's pitiful 15 year shite movie streak

This is all getting terribly personal, isn't it?

Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'

making shitty movies is a personal attack on the viewer imo

It's a cry for help, to be sure

so is this the WORST film adaptation of the material ever? pretty much every other adaptation I can think of - Disney, 80s star-studded US TV-musical version, etc - were at least halfway decent, playful/amusing, whatever.

the disney version is pretty dope i think

yeah its very enjoyable

Tom Petty version, yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8

^^^most influential version on my life tbh

the more I hear about this the less I want to see it, the storyline they've come up with sounds awful. boo.

Disney version >>>> Burton version

the basic concept that Wonderland requires "saving" from any of its particular denizens is just... wrong

(see SF Chronicle reviewer's complaint that the film makes sense)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Dungeonland.jpg

otm

Talk of Beetlejuice depresses me (useta be a big Jeffrey Jones fan, until...you know.)

xxxxpost - Shakey Mo, did you ever see "What's A Nice Kid Like You Doing In A Place Like This?"

never heard of it...?

Hahaha that song just leaped right into my head.

I have never "gotten" Tim Burton. Although I liked Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, it wasn't because of Burton's shtick. Beetlejuice was moderately interesting for its originality, but egregiously overacted. Been avoiding his stuff entirely for pretty much the last decade.

http://www.toontracker.com/alice/alice.htm

I'm fated to see this, as my wife and our buddy are super excited abt it. I feebly hope it won't be a total striped turd.

OTOH, as a film score nerd I've learned to totally divorce scores from the quality of their films. Just listened to Elfman's score and I'm surprised (because I don't like Elfman in antic mode all that much) to report that it's thoroughly awesome. Main title is a massive capstone of Glass-influenced choral-symphonic win, with a great 2-note hook for the name 'Alice'. This is very much in Elfman's heavy-doomy mode of the last decade, with the Herrmann-Glass choppy rhythmic cells he has been fixing on for the last couple of years.

Listening to it, it does NOT sound like apt music for Alice In Wonderland at all, but in a music-only context who cares. FYI whatever he composed for the 'fudderwacken'isn't on the CD and I'm gathering that's a v good thing...

i agree with all of the objections above but this wasn't quite as terrible as i thought. just what's fast becoming a kind of run-of-the-mill fantasy blockbuster with a few more saving graces that usual (more than avatar IMO).

elfman's score, at least in context, was probably the worst thing about the film, save for dancing johnny depp and the epilogue. lots of horrible choral OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs that seemed to be all about slapping the audience upside the head and screaming, "isn't this WONDROUS?! aren't you filled with AWE?! behold the miraculous CGI WORLDMAKING!" -- to be fair this is hardly unique to elfman. the avatar score worked similarly, although not as relentlessly. yeah, i'm not an elfman fan in general but the score here was unusually grating and obtrusive.

as i thought... translate to "as i had expected"

i'm really hesitant to post to ILE movie threads with anything negative because eight times out of ten there will be all these follow-up responses along the lines of, "suck it, you hater!" but whatever.

a bunch of people in the theater were dressed up for the occasion, sometimes obviously as alice but often just kind of vaguely fantasy mode type stuff. sort of cute.

elfman's score, at least in context, was probably the worst thing about the film, save for dancing johnny depp and the epilogue. lots of horrible choral OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs that seemed to be all about slapping the audience upside the head and screaming, "isn't this WONDROUS?! aren't you filled with AWE?!

Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if it's Burton dragging Elfman down or the other way around or a little bit of both.

Main title is a massive capstone of Glass-influenced choral-symphonic win, with a great 2-note hook for the name 'Alice'.

using win as a noun in the middle of an otherwise well written sentence demonstrating a wide vocabulary and knowledge of the subject at hand is why i hate the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dyGpCrFdX4

Oh joy:

Disney's Alice In Wonderland is a monster hit. It clearly becomes the best March release ever with $41 million on Friday and, because of higher 3D ticket prices, will have no problem surpassing 300's $70.8M. If that holds up, the Tim Burton-directed, Johnny Depp starring fantasy flick could have a $115M-$120M opening weekend for the biggest 3D pic debut ever. (These numbers are blowing away Avatar's first weekend.) This also could become the highest grossing weekend for a film released in the first quarter of the year ever. IMAX on Friday had the biggest day in their history with $4.3M for Alice. The weekend is looking like $11+M, also a record for IMAX.

i feel guilty for contributing to those numbers.

This is just stupid.

seems a little early to call it a monster hit. definitely a score for the package and the pre-release runup, but we'll see about weekend #2...

It's just the first weekend. Watch for a big dropoff.

I really can't believe that such a big deal is being made about the huge gross of these 3-D IMAX movies. I'm sure that once you adjust for how much the studios actually net, it's a much less impressive number.

Also, I don't know why I'm so tremendously offended by the existence of this movie. There's something so incredibly disingenuous about abandoning the source material and not changing the title accordingly. But it's not as if that's such a rare thing in Hollywood. I think it might be the idea that a straight Alice adaptation by the Tim Burton of 20 years ago might've been really great.

not sure why this movie is necessary, seems kind of presumptuous to think his take is needed, especially when the original is already perfect. PERFECT.

Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if it's Burton dragging Elfman down or the other way around or a little bit of both.

I don't know, but Pee Wee's Big Adventure is a former highlight for both of them. Ah, faded glory.

I really can't believe that such a big deal is being made about the huge gross of these 3-D IMAX movies. I'm sure that once you adjust for how much the studios actually net, it's a much less impressive number.

I'm sure the net profit is plenty impressive, too, generally speaking its the total adjusted for inflation, or the # of actual tickets sold, that would give you a much more realistic picture of its popularity

There's something so incredibly disingenuous about abandoning the source material and not changing the title accordingly.

Wait 'til you get a load of THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICE.

I'm sure the net profit is plenty impressive, too...

I don't know that any studio picture has ever shown a net profit. Shit, dudes are prolly still waiting for their points on GONE WITH THE WIND.

i got the runs tonight. should i see this movie or should i keep pooping

^^Similar(ish) question

I am going to see a movie on my birthday, maybe; what should it be if not this thing.

same here - i haven't seen shutter island, but i did see the crazies...WHAT ELSE. I hear Brooklyn's Finest isn't so good :(

Ghost Writer looks good. Alice + Shutter Island both blow.

oh right the Polanski movie. hmm.....

pee-wee to ed wood: classic burton (with the first batman being a weak link)
mars attacks and sleepy hollow: transitional period
planet of the apes onward: shitstorm

"i'm a sucker for the visual design of his movies even if every other aspect sucks ass"

i don't even get this. burton's visuals were definitely neat and novel in the earlier days but now that's all been so massively tainted by the stink of hot topic. it's hard to see him now as anything other than the godfather of MALL GOTH. plus his movies just seem to be getting uglier.

convinced me, i'm going to ghostwriter later instead of alice

what a disaster for tim burton

pee-wee to ed wood: classic burton (with the first batman being a weak link)
mars attacks and sleepy hollow: transitional period
planet of the apes onward: shitstorm

this seems right, w/exception of sweeney todd, which is good.

Still maintain that Sweeney's source material is good but Timbo doesn't bring anything of note to the pie.

Well....Sweeney Todd is my favorite musical of all time (an amazing score, and book), but I thought he did a nice job of adapting it. Added a touch of atmosphere that you can't have in the stage version, some Grand Guignol touches, and some plot changes to make it less stagey. At first I was angry about the exclusion of the Ballad and its various reprises but it wound up working. That said, the stage version is superior in every way.

It was hard to listen to non-singers singing such a challenging score though, or how much they cut of it, but then again if I wanted to see the stage version, I would.

btw, good call on The Ghost Writer. great movie, just got out of it. Thematically it falls into Michael Clayton-esque territory, only with government figures, but what I liked about it was how the plot developments weren't left to stand on their own - Polanski built a nice unsettling atmosphere that helped sustain the quality of the film. Other than a few farfetched moments that I won't reveal but will be obvious to anybody who sees it, the plot contained some nice twists (although nothing mindblowing).

going out on a limb here to say that shutter island (unlike alice) was a fun movie.

I don't know that any studio picture has ever shown a net profit

this is total bullshit. i've heard it before--its become a variety of conventional wisdom--but it's not true. if you are back-end then you might never see much money because of the way studios do their accounting, but movies make money. especially movies like this.

this movie was surprisingly joyless. how do you even make Alice in Wonderland joyless?? all the characters kind of trudge through the motions of the plot with no real sense of urgency, except for the Mad Hatter. and they made Crispin Glover boring! why would you cast Crispin Glover in your goth remake of Alice in Wonderland and then give him nothing interesting to do?

I don't know that any studio picture has ever shown a net profit

this is total bullshit. i've heard it before--its become a variety of conventional wisdom--but it's not true. if you are back-end then you might never see much money because of the way studios do their accounting, but movies make money. especially movies like this.

― by another name (amateurist), Sunday, March 7, 2010 2:32 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah seriously -- where do people think studios get the money to make more movies!? they think they lose money every time and keep going?

roger was making a joke about studio accounting. the end.

oh :/

guess I'll check out Brooklyn's Finest then. cuz at least if it sucks ya know there'll be guns and shooting which I vaguely enjoy.

Film breaks records, world yawns.

"This is just one of those cultural phenomenons that has caught everybody's interest," said Chuck Viane, Disney's president of distribution. "They don't come like this very often."

Except in a couple weeks, when Clash of the Titans opens. And then a couple months down the road when the 3-D Shrek opens.

i really hope Iron Man 2 lives up to expectations but boy do I gots a bad feeling.

have i missed something? i thought Burton was on a roll with loads of amazing films in recent years. i haven't seen one since Sleepy Hollow though (which was a bit boring). do you guys feel he jumped the shark in th 90s or have you always hated him?

i haven't seen one since Sleepy Hollow though

Count your blessings, really.

"Sweeney Todd" was good though

sweeney todd was wanky shitballs

(seems like pretty much all of ilx lately is me and dan just disagreeing about sweeney todd but defending batman returns)

toy story 3 can't come soon enough

THIS WAS SO FUCKING AWFUL

i mean, i was expecting 'bad latter-day tim burton movie with some nice art design and a small amount of amusing quirk'; it was not that; it was really fucking bad and unpleasantly so

really disappointed in ilx for paying money to see this. even if you come out and whinge "oh i really hated it", you've sent a message to hollywood that's ok to give tim burton to make more shitty movies. wise up and stop paying him, and they'll stop.

also -- what he does to the source material (which is beloved in my eyes) is totally unforgivable. he turns it into fantasy bullshit goobley-gook nonsense. he takes the wonder and the surrealism and playfulness and turns it into Alice of the Rings. Just horrible.

yeah this was my least favourite thing (until the fudderwacken, at which point i took off the 3d glasses. and then my actual glasses. and then just closed my eyes.) -- it reminded me of fucking thomas covenant all the time. this was not good.

also really annoying: having a RED QUEEN and a WHITE QUEEN but one of them is chess pieces and one of them is cards --- this was really, really stupid --- particularly when the queen of hearts' soldiers have spade and club designs on them --- fuck off

also wtf with sexual tension between alice & the mad hatter, or the attempt at it - how did this make sense / advance the film / seem to anyone a good idea

wait, did this really make 116 million dollars this past weekend?! jesus christ.

Avatar has unleashed a gnawing hunger for 3D which has temporarily eaten the public's brains.

And speaking of Jesus Christ or at least God -- it's about to get worse!

http://www.deadline.com/2010/03/gods-the-star-in-3-d-creation-tale/

joke has probably been made but just imagine passion of the christ in IMAX 3D, folx

really disappointed in ilx for paying money to see this. even if you come out and whinge "oh i really hated it", you've sent a message to hollywood that's ok to give tim burton to make more shitty movies

yeah i felt guilty when we bought tix but girlfriend always watches my movies so i owed her. ugh tho one of the worst faustian moments of my life in retrospect. thought i knew hollywood but surprisingly horrified how dead this chum was!

and famous faces running around in shittily-rendered cg universes has replaced 3-hour comic book movies as Public Enemy #1 although obviously some crossover there.

Jeez, that DANCE at the end was a GREAT idea. They should've just had the Mad Hatter take a wild flying leap over a 3D shark in the BG, same thing

ts: mad hatter dance vs oscar best original score dance

i can't believe how bad this sucked balls and looked like a digital arts project from my toilet of an art school. and F.T.R. i kind of loved willy wonka

I read that a little too fast and wondered what the digital arts project in your toilet was.

man did i hate his Wonka but at some point during AiW i was cognizent of a longing for that particular torture device.

note per shaming above: i did not pay any money to see this piece of shit

God, this looks so awful. I do enjoy this review:

We’re Painting the Roses Bland!

Man, fuck the macabre. The macabre has so out-macabred itself that it’s come all the way around and it’s basically a Ziggy cartoon. Tim Burton’s long-awaited Alice in Wonderland adaptation manages—somehow, despite the best efforts of a strangely elongated Crispin Glover and Helena Bonham Carter’s comic genius—to suck every drop of lonesome eeriness and giddy humor out of its source material and replace it with limp but marketable emotional pap. Lewis Carroll’s books (Alice and Through the Looking Glass, both of which make it into this film) are frightening, but not because of toothy monsters or murky scrubland—they traffic in uncanny unhelpfulness and hostile weirdness and the menacing indifference of nonsense. The denizens of Carroll’s Wonderland aren’t a bunch of cuddly pals there to usher Alice home—this isn’t Oz, you guys—they betray and blunder, they laugh in her face, melting in and out of existence at the most inconvenient times. They’re all mad there, etc., etc. They don’t give a shit.

Burton’s film, on the other hand, is a candy-cane action adventure movie about believing in yourself and the power of friendship.

Helena Bonham Carter’s comic genius

wow if this is a high point of your movie, then you should prob just burn the master before anyone you know sees it.

today I spent half an hour arguing with my class that this movie sucks, despite having not seen it, on the strength of all ya'll hatin itt

I am tempted to buy 100 tickets to this and then never see it, just to piss all of you off with a future Tim Burton movie

yeah that 800 bucks is gonna tip the balance at this stage i'd say

you kiddin 100 tickets = G.D.P. of french guyana

gross directorial product

I am tempted to buy 100 tickets to this and then never see it, just to piss all of you off with a future Tim Burton movie

Your production is falling off in quality lately, Dan. As your co-worker in the delusive mines of ilx, I realize this is of no actual importance, but I thought you might like to know how it looks from the outside.

Just waiting for a decent torrent. A 7/7 cam would do the job for me I think. Morbid curiosity is the only reason i want to see it and that's not worth 15 dollars.

fwiw i saw this with my crowd of sub-18-yr-old cousins and they all liked it. despite the art direction i think the whole thing leans more "disney" than "tim burton." best tim-burtony part was when alice had to cross the moat perched on [gothicky spoiler].

i don't think anyone's mentioned the worst part of the fudderwacken, namely that shitty anachronistic garageband beat that accompanied it. it was like watching that fucking commercial for "garfield the movie" where garfield dances to the black eyed peas.

As soon as someone posts a video of the fudderwacken plz put a link here.

Well, I liked it!

And so did the kids.

What a bunch of moaners you lot are!

alice had to cross the moat perched on (gothicky spoiler)

Robert Smith's hair?

Well, I liked it!

And so did the kids.

What a bunch of moaners you lot are!

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About the score again... apparently, as heard in the film, all the choral work has been redubbed as wordless oohs, aahs and tralalalas. On CD, they have words for almost all their parts, and esp on the main title it really works well. Pretty retarded change to make for the film track imo. The wordless choir in film scores is such a noisome cliche at this point.

Starting to hope wife and friend will forget about wanting see this now that the first weekend has passed...

Just watched this, it was mainly pretty bad except for the odd thing that made me smile (I liked the frogs). On the whole it looks pretty great, I reckon, better than I was expecting based on the Mad Hatter pics everywhere - although the staging's a bit off. Don't know why they didn't just get Miranda Richardson to be Queenie.
Story-wise, a complete mess, just ugh. Not even any tension about "will she be able to do this..." - like when she goes over the moat, there's some hint at some godawful thing that will test her to the limits, but no, she just steps over.

Just saw this film. Holy crap I take everything back! It was wonderful! It was easily the most fun I've had at a movie theater in years. The 3D is wonderful, better than Avatar, the look of the movie is gorgeous, and all reports about it being a no-fun Narnia ripoff are really reaching. Maybe it's because I have read nothing but bad things about this but honest to God this is the best thing Tim Burton has done since Mars Attacks. I might like it even better than that! Note that I haven't yet seen Sweeny Todd....

Overall the 3D and CGI blew me away, probably because I'm actually working in that field right now. The Cheshire Cat is amazing, some surreal floating deity. Johnny Depp is funny and ridiculous. Oh no he speaks in a Scottish accent. Have you read the Jabberwocky poem?

Even at the end when it came time for the dreaded Fudderwacken....Johnny Depp silently dancing like a Michael Jackson/Beck loon for approx. 10 seconds. Big deal. Yeah it's stupid, but it's a mere fraction of a percent as bad as the new CGI band in Return Of the Jedi. I half expected swooping camera shots and ridiculous hip-hop beat or something, with gag-inducing rhymes or something, from the way it's been badmouthed.

The design of this movie is wonderful. Yeah it's a bit samey-samey towards the very end where she fights the dragon, but you know what, it's a fight scene that lasts probably under 5 minutes, and focuses primarily on dramatically framed shots rather than the shakey-camera CGI that we've all come to know and hate from movies like Transformers. The only time this was an issue was in the fall down the rabbit hole in the beginning.

I'm actually really surprised by how vicious the bad reviews have been, this is a really fun movie. Silly, yeah, but pretty well put together. I laughed at all the little details they slip in. One scene is a masterful recreation of a Maxfield Parrish painting, and there's even a Forbidden Zone reference with animals holding up candelabras. Crispin Glover looks amazing, hell, everyone looks amazing in this. I really didn't expect to like it this much, but I did.

Wow, that was a really shit film. Watching it whilst semi-drunk didn't even help it.

No way, this movie is awesome.

really disappointed in ilx for paying money to see this. even if you come out and whinge "oh i really hated it", you've sent a message to hollywood that's ok to give tim burton to make more shitty movies. wise up and stop paying him, and they'll stop.

this is real fucking talk btw. if you are pretty certain a movie's gonna suck and you go see it anyway, you are telling these people "make more movies like this." stay the fuck home unless people whose opinions you trust tell you "it's awesome." why do I give a shit, because I blame the "it's better than staying home" crowd for all the crappy horror glut post-saw.

It's pretty bad quality, but someone has posted video of the infamous Fudderwacken:

http://videosift.com/video/Low-Point-of-Tim-Burton-s-Career-The-Fudderwacken

^^^ do not click

can't be unseen

I really think Depp looking indistinguishable from Helena Bonham Carter is far more horrifying than any harmless dance routine.

Yeah 15 seconds of bad breakdancing, whoopdidoo. Hardly any more embarrassing than anything in half the movies that came out last year. At least the Red Queen isn't throwing out Bush-era references...

Hardly any more embarrassing than anything in half the movies that came out last year

this isn't much of a recommendation man

"So what if it sucks? Everything sucks!"

pretty true imo

lol

I'm not saying it sucks, I'm saying its not nearly as embarrassing as it's made out to be. I really half expected something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BogbtlJs1rI

I really think Depp looking indistinguishable from Helena Bonham Carter is far more horrifying than any harmless dance routine.

Yes! First thing I said when I came out of the theatre was that JD looked more like HBC than HBC did.
The thing about crowbarring all the references into dialogue was the worst thing about it imo.

I think Tim Burton's problem is that at some point he or the people who pay him decided that what he's good at is stuff for kids, when in fact that's not really true at all. what he's good at is stuff for teenagers/young adults. his stuff for kids (I'm not a Nightmare Before Xmas fan nb) is kinda shitty & misguided & hackneyed. his stuff for teens-and-later is interesting and complex.

the fudderwacken

what has god wrought

melon scooper, NOW

Fudderwacken is the new DEIS IRAE.

Great 3D movie IMO. Probably wouldn't have enjoyed it as much in 2D but that's my personal preference. I am really excited about 3D. Also the Tron trailer looks awesome on the big screen in 3D.

I thought the 3d was completely terrible in this.

the 3d was mostly wasted. i havent read much of the reviews, did any of them say what a bloodless bore this was?

like here's what i remember of the movie which i just got out of:

--alice: lol i'm kooky!
--ginger brit: ay shawty, be my briiiide much? :B <----bad teeth (b/c he's british)
--his mom: u better do it, u r almost 12 iirc and that is highway to uglytown tbh
--alice: rabbit! *runs 2 rabbit*
*falls down hole*
*in wonderland*
--hatter: AY! red queen SUXXX and has a large forehead. and now i am captured?
--alice: *rescues u*
*nice to brutes*
*gets sword*
--alan rickman catterpillar: yea i knew u were alice. u shd go fight jabberwocky.
--alice: *kills jabberwocky*
--crispin glover: i am your density
--white queen: *gets crown back*
--alice: yay!
*back 2 life*
(2 ginger) FUCK u, i'm gonna go make ca$h in china with your pops

You didn't explain how any of that made it boring.

well for starters they tried to draw that out between 2 hours

Story-wise, a complete mess, just ugh. Not even any tension about "will she be able to do this..." - like when she goes over the moat, there's some hint at some godawful thing that will test her to the limits, but no, she just steps over.

― Not the real Village People, Monday, March 15, 2010 2:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

also this. no sense of danger ever, not even when fighting a terrible monster. it's like she's just, let me get to the top of the staircase and YOUUUUU *cranks that soulja boy* SLICE aw shit i aint even got fencing skills and it took me 2 minutes to kill this bitch.

like this big spikey dragon dude was the precept for the red queen's tyrannical rule and she effortlessly decapitates dude because she is ~*~the pale shawty of destiny~*~

sorry, SPOILER ALERT

Going into Alice in Wonderland expecting Alice to get into credibly dangerous situations where you have a genuine fear she might not make it, it's kind of a silly request considering this is a Disney movie, and one aimed at kids. I'm sure they said the bloody scar from the Bandersnatch and the subsequent eyegouge were enough.

And yeah I can reduce a movie to a dozen plot points too, but it wouldn't summarize the experience of watching the film in the slightest.

look i aint saying she shoulda had a gat pointed in her face, but maybe she like, i dunno, fails at something on the first try?

100% with j0hn d on 'if you need to see a movie before realising that you hate it then you kinda deserve to have 2 hours, 8 bucks taken from you'.

i came in with low expectations, wife was interested in it due to depp stannery

*inspiration*

One criticism I read alot is that the 3D is too showy. Quite frankly if you're making an Alice film and you have the March Hare throwing teacups anyways, and you're making a 3D movie, why on Earth shouldn't you have the cups flying at the audience? I agree that the falling scene didn't work very well as 3D, mainly because everything was going so fast it was hard to make out distinct objects and their spacial positions.

if you are pretty certain a movie's gonna suck and you go see it anyway, you are telling these people "make more movies like this."

This is why I wait til library DVDs for the likes of Labourious Reterds -- free!

but if you're pretty sure it's gonna suck, why rent it even then?

actually adam is making me hold off on my criticisms. i was probably too hard on the film.

in my defense, i saw it out of professional semi-obligation.

Going into Alice in Wonderland expecting Alice to get into credibly dangerous situations where you have a genuine fear she might not make it, it's kind of a silly request considering this is a Disney movie

This is true, but couple it with the fact that Alice spends 90% of the movie going "oh this is all a dream, I'll be fine." So we know the movie will end with her success, because it's Disney; the protagonist isn't especially worried about her own fate, and so reacts blithely to dangerous situations; and it turns out that she can accomplish everything fairly easily at little personal cost. So where's the dramatic tension?

I mean, compare it to Coraline, which was written/directed by Henry Selick, who directed Nightmare Before Christmas. Coraline was aimed at kids, had highly stylized animation, a predetermined happy ending from the source material, a magical talking cat, etc. It's very much like this movie, except Coraline managed to have dramatic tension and emotional levels beyond "blasé."

if you're making an Alice film and you have the March Hare throwing teacups anyways, and you're making a 3D movie, why on Earth shouldn't you have the cups flying at the audience?

It wasn't made as a 3D film though, the 3D effects were added after the film was completed to help it ride the post Avatar wave.
I might finally get to see this today.

I'm with Adam on this.

But you knew that.

Hardly any more embarrassing than anything in half the movies that came out last year.

Will look for this pull-quote on the DVD case.

"Coraline" had real menace, and, as the story is hardly as ubiquitous as "Alice" and I'd never read it, I had no idea what would happen. I mean, her parents are held hostage! There is real evil afoot, not cartoon evil. And Coraline has to work for her redemption.

I"m hoping Burton gets tapped to make the 3-D "Oz" remake (really! it's apparently happening!) just to see him get some real hackles up. Man, you thought people were pissed when he redid "Apes" ...

the 3-D "Oz" remake (really! it's apparently happening!

brb committing violent suicide

Can I come with you?

yes we will meet Judy and have martinis

"violent suicide"?

I need specifics, man!

suicide by fudderwacken

brb doing the fudderwacken on j0hn d.'s grave

Fudderwacken on a pile of razor blades.

I don't think Tim Burton has it in him to out-goth the already extant "Return to Oz," so maybe they should let someone else have a go.

team-directed by an all-star lineup of gothic visionary talent

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/misswheeler_1/my%20chemical%20romance/My_Chemical_Romance--large-msg-1-6.jpg

Just waiting on his tweegoth reboot of Pee Wee's Big Adventure with Depp as Pee Wee.

I could see it working with Steve Carrell

uhh paul reubens hasn't died yet people

he was pretty good in the ipad commercial

uhh paul reubens hasn't died yet people

What kind of forward thinking Hollywood executive are you.

Neither has Gene Wilder!

"Return to Oz" is amazing. In a way this kind of reminded me of that -- a whole lot, actually -- but yeah far less menacing. I mean what's menacing about the 60s Disney Alice? Nothing! It's still amazing!

It wasn't made as a 3D film though, the 3D effects were added after the film was completed to help it ride the post Avatar wave.

I believe you because a number of scenes are 2.5D, which is something you can easily do in After Effects by just cutting out the foreground and background footage and spacing them apart. I think it actually makes the film as a whole less of a strain on the eyes tbh. But many of the scenes truly appear 3D and as it's an optical effect anyways, I say however they choose to do it, as long as the end result is satisfying, then go for it.

My eyes hurt throughout the film, so fuck that.

yeah mine too

so wait i heard this was the scariest movie ever made

if the prospect of 'alice in wonderland 2: electric fudderwacken' scares u, then yes

xpost to bad electric bugaloo jokes thread

Just waiting on his tweegoth reboot of Pee Wee's Big Adventure with Depp as Pee Wee.

I will nuke Los Angeles. You have been warned.

the trailer reminded me of xanadu. the garishness of it.

HBC as Francis. Crispin Glover as Amazing Larry.

Just back from seeing this, it was pretty good. I liked a lot of the design, and Wonderland itself wasn't the insta-cgi world I'd feared. HBC channelled Miranda Richardson's Queenie but just fine, and Alice was cute (no-one ever seems to capture the uppityness of the og Alice). Otherwise... it was fine. I enjoyed it more whilst actually watching it, but the experience feels a bit flat in retrospect.
It was no Coraline, or Labyrinth (prob the best Wonderland-y type film, and one which I wish Burton had kept in mind when making this).

I will nuke Los Angeles. You have been warned.

I'll arrange to be out of town.

I didn't like Depp in this. I didn't like the take on the character, or the look. I'm thinking Michael Keaton would've been a far better choice. Burton needs to get Keaton back into his list of regulars imo.

Anyway, next Burton wants to do The Addams Family, in 3D naturally.

http://scifiwire.com/2010/03/da-da-da-dum-snap-tim-bur.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Tim Burton has become a black hole of boring

has burton just given up? he's made himself into the most boring and predictable brand in hollywood this side of roland emmerich.

xpost

Whenever I think of my favorite Tim Burton movies sometimes the Addams Family slips in there and then someone reminds me that he didn't make it.

See how helpful he's being? He's doing it just to help your listing.

i bet $1 he casts Depp as gomez, HBC as wednesday

I would see a Burton remake of Mama's Family, but the Addams Family? No thanks.

HBC as Morticia, surely? A shoo-in I'd say.

agh please don't let this vampire sink his teeth in my beloved addamses

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she effortlessly decapitates dude because she is ~*~the pale shawty of destiny~*~

― david foster ballaz (m bison), Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:52 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

lmao @ u

the 3-d was disorienting enough that i found myself wondering if i'd really want to see an actioner like tron or avatar in this kind of medium. so they're less disorienting?

i thought the fudderwacken was hilarious in its incogruity, like someone spliced a youtube video with attendant freemusic.com clip into the footage. having never read either of the books and only remembering the story vaguely from having seen the disney version as a kid i can't say i'm full of rage at THE MARKED MISINTERPRETATION OF THE CONCEPT OF WONDER or anything. but i had a good time watchin this.

hate the movie? hate the 'Music Inspired By' even more!

Almost Alice - Various Artists

Out of the rabbit hole from Wonderland comes 15 NEW tracks from today's MADdest artists. Almost Alice features a unique collection of today's favorite alternative artists and the next round of superstars bubbling up from the underground. This is a companion piece to Danny Elfman's soundtrack score. Modern rock and alternative artists have long been inspired by the classic Alice in Wonderland tale and the cultural impact of Tim Burton. Almost Alice is the musical expression of those influences.

1. “Alice (Underground)” performed by Avril Lavigne
2. “The Poison” performed by The All-American Rejects
3. “The Technicolor Phase” performed by Owl City
4. “Her Name Is Alice” performed by Shinedown
5. “Painting Flowers” performed by All Time Low
6. “Where’s My Angel” performed by Metro Station
7. “Strange” performed by Tokio Hotel and Kerli
8. “Follow Me Down” performed by 3OH!3 featuring Neon Hitch
9. “Very Good Advice” performed by Robert Smith
10. “In Transit” performed by Mark Hoppus with Pete Wentz
11. “Welcome to Mystery” performed by Plain White T’s
12. “Tea Party” performed by Kerli
13. “The Lobster Quadrille” performed by Franz Ferdinand
14. “Running Out of Time” performed by Motion City Soundtrack
15. “Fell Down a Hole” performed by Wolfmother
16. “White Rabbit” performed by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals

Good LORD:

Disney has come through the rabbit hole and pronounced that the Tim Burton-directed 3D conversion Alice in Wonderland surpassed the $1 billion mark in global box office. For non-sequels, that puts the picture behind only Titanic and Avatar.

Given that happy ending, it's small wonder that Disney and other studios have placed a premium on public domain fairy tales. I'm hearing Disney has been flirting with Timur Bekmambetov as possible director for its Mitchell Kapner-scripted origin story The Great and Powerful Oz. That project had Adam Shankman and Sam Mendes mentioned as possible filmmakers, and it's just one of a slew of Oz pictures percolating. The Wanted director also is circling Disney's Jungle Cruise, the long-gestating action-adventure movie idea based on the Disney theme park ride. Timur pitched a take to film's Mandeville producers and writers are meeting on the project.

Back on the fairy tale front, Disney recently made the seven-figure deal for a reinvention of Cinderella that will be scripted by The Devil Wears Prada scribe Aline Brosh McKenna.

Timur Bekmambetov

"Smithers, get me Tim Burton's non-union Russian equivalent!"

The Wanted director also is circling Disney's Jungle Cruise, the long-gestating action-adventure movie idea based on the Disney theme park ride.

What, the plastic animals COME TO LIFE!!!?

(ps I know, they're not all plastic, I've been there)

"Smithers, get me Tim Burton's non-union Russian equivalent!"

9 >>>>>>>>>>>> anything tim burton's done in a decade

Academy Award-winning "Alice In Wonderland"

and not just one award either!

well, futter my wacken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEG3Zr_Jxs

http://www.wsj.com/articles/alice-through-the-looking-glass-bombs-at-the-box-office-1464637964

$34.2 million over the weekend. I was hoping this one would flop.