US POLITICS: Congratulation to USA for their upcoming health

And there were some good ones today.

permission to revise and extend my remarks…booyah!

BarackObama Yes we can.
2 minutes ago via web

"a few brave democrats!"

with all due respect, i had the floor!

I now yield.

Whoaaa it's getting like the House of Commons in there.

hate this thread title tbh :(

*aborts all the babies*

please contact your reps and senators to file a complaint
xpost

Who is this pillock asking us to think of the unborn?

**BREAKING**

Results 1 - 10 of about 226,000 for "scott brown dead". (0.45 seconds)

politics now officially as brainless as tweeting

Dr_Morbius How do I upload a blog to Twitter? 3 mins ago from web

C'mon, Morbs -- there's a talent in reciting blatant untruths and looking like a billy goat while doing so.

hahahaahahahahahaa jordan

216 [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Congratulations, Democrats. Beginning now, you own the health-care system in America. Every hiccup. Every complaint. Every long line. All yours.

i'm so sick of the "polls show the american people hate this bill" meme. when GWB was president, republicans strutted around, crowing that he "followed his gut, not some poll" now polls are all-powerful, all-knowing.

hate this thread title tbh :(

Sorry. :-/ It seemed like the only one people were agreeing on. (So I deemed and passed it, thus thwarting the Constitution.)

I would like to make sure that the phrase 'womb goon' makes it to this thread and into general currency

ned as long as you're basically being the next stalin could you lock the other thread?

Why are you so gloomy about this, Morbs?

can someone change the lock of the scott brown thread to This thread has been aborted by an administrator

thanks

Where are our wonderful moderators to change this silly title?

¡WOMB GOON! Anyway at least on this occasion I am sensing in-House eyeball roll whenever one of the uterus-free starts going on about not spending a cent on something he's opposed to morally. Like my taxes never do that.

216 [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Congratulations, Democrats. Beginning now, you own the health-care system in America. Every hiccup. Every complaint. Every long line. All yours.

as part of our new regime we insist that you put down that fettuccine alfredo.

you can revise and extend the thread title, if you want

US POLITICS: Is Your Washroom Breeding Womb-Goons???

"I'm sorry, Ms. Jean Lopez, but the seven Chicken Parmesan Subs lodged in your small intestines actually do count as a preexisting condition. I'm so sorry."

oh f u bart

Where are our wonderful moderators to change this silly title?

I am a wonderful moderator! (Maybe.) Now everyone agree with an alternate title so I can change it.

I misread the title as US POLITICS: YOUR TWITS ONSCREEN. As I watched the womb-goons it made perfect sense.

XD

what are they shouting?

YOUR TWITS ONSCREEN <-------yes please

is bart stupak's hair covered under the new bill?

There's a dead baby under it.

"baby murderer"

Actually quite pleased with Stupak pushback here.

Why are you so gloomy about this, Morbs?

cuz I don't own an insurance company?

the bill is grabage

read this morbs

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/five_cost_controls_in_the_sena.html

lol this is like summer camp with the shouting

what are they shouting?

"gangsta, gangsta," that's what they're yelling

speaking of bad House hairdos: if only Jimmy Trafficant were still in the House.

is bart stupak's hair covered under the new bill?

pre-existing conditioner

Where are our wonderful moderators to change this silly title?

CNN gave us this title.

hahahaha, J0hn

NOT TWITS. JESUS YOU GUYS. IT'S A U.S. POLITICS THREAD. WE DO NOT REALLY SAY "TWIT" OVER HERE UNLESS WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING TOO MUCH PBS.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/Jim%20Traficant.jpg

i nominate "your screens on tweek" but can't imagine I'll get a quorum on that one

Ed, I know that's where the title is from, I just think it needs a slight remix.

JOHN D MY MOTHER IN LAW SAYS TWIT TO DESCRIBE CERTAIN PEOPLE AND SHE IS NOT BRITISH YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH HER YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME BUDDY

Yes We Traficant

@ J0hn D

FLIP YOU MELLON FARMER

viewers' calls on C-SPAN, awesome!

US POLITICS: TWEETS TO THE LEFT OF ME, WOMB-GOONS TO THE RIGHT

HEAD CARNEGIE IN CHARGE

there needs to be anonymous therapy groups for people who call into cspan

FWIW, i can't really take credit for "womb goon." at best i can only popularize the term.

JOHN D MY MOTHER IN LAW SAYS TWIT TO DESCRIBE CERTAIN PEOPLE AND SHE IS NOT BRITISH YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH HER YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME BUDDY

ADMIT THAT SHE IS A PBS DONOR

FOOLING NO-ONE QUE

I like WmC's.

"alright, we got your point"

there needs to be anonymous therapy groups for people who call into cspan

lol, yeah. it's a highbrow crowd.

U.S. POLITICS THREAD: THE FIRST 400 POSTS ARE MAINLY TRYING TO NAME THE THREAD

cnn reporting someone from the gop side on the floor yelled "baby killer" at stupak when he was finishing up his speech. they're trying to figure out who it is now.

'Womb goon': it's lovely and onomatopoeic like 'God botherer'.

I DOUBT SHE IS A PBS DONOR BUT SHE LOVES MASTERPIECE THEATRE

"they're good parents, they don't want me to die"

some of these C-Span callers make the pro-life grandstanders seem like the Oxford Debate Team.

i'm kind of lol'ing at the fact that it's named YOUR TWEETS ONSCREEN in the first place because i didn't think my suggestion was all that funny

*alert*

michael steele has called into fox news

*alert*

womb goon follies

guys

I DOUBT SHE IS A PBS DONOR BUT SHE LOVES MASTERPIECE THEATRE

QUE E.D.

geraldo rivera is modding a debate between al sharpton and michael steele on fox news

A+

geraldo rivera is modding a debate between al sharpton and michael steele on fox news

I want this to be a regular show ASAP.

with guest dancing by Bill 'Cliff Huxtable' Cosby.

looking forward to the forthcoming bizzaro lawsuits challenging this bill.

all the people who call into cspan sound like voices on family guy

should i prank call cspan? and if so, what should i say

ask them what we should call the thread

"when we can and cannot sleep"

WTF

lol, yeah. ask if jose canceco's mental condition will be covered by obamacare.

hahaha

i'm not insured, i'm healthy and 20 ...

ask them if "Obama" is "Lenin" spelled backwards

poor C-SPAN dude looks like he just wants to go home

Rochester MN woman bringing it for the Mayo.

okay, i'm calling in, saying my name is Burt Stanton

i'm going to say that if i wanted this health care, i would've taken the hot tub time machine back to stalinist russia

godspeed

mention ILX

actually, don't

how can you still be undecided?

Teenager innit.

let's have a moment of the silence for the grandmas being unplugged tonight all across america.

because you want to know why now?

Taibbi:

I hate this bill and have since the beginning — to me it seems like a radical and dangerous step to start forcing people to become customers of a seriously overpriced, inefficient product, thereby removing the last incentive for an already antitrust-exempted, horrifically-performing industry to improve itself in any way.

But I’m beginning to come around to the idea that if we do pass this thing, sooner or later Congress is going to get around to complaining about subsidizing the profits of WellPoint and Aetna and all the rest of them. Naturally the first place they’ll cut in future budget crises is the “affordability credits” for low-income earners, but there’s a slim chance they’ll get around to chiseling the fat from the insurance companies, too, which might in turn lead ultimately to a sane revamping of this ridiculous system.

Or maybe not. I’m trying to find a way to feel good about this thing. Is there a way this thing doesn’t suck?

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/03/16/reconciling-reconciliation/

nitwit teenager.

"i will not vote for a Democrat again."

why do i think that people saying that would never voted for a Democrat long before today's vote? and why do wingnuts think that people are dumb enough to fall for this ... actually, forget that last part.

i can't get in u_u

too many nitwit teenagers calling-in

Someone should point out to Taibbi that the new health care laws cover being doused with coffee by angry dudes.

too much amateur philosophizing. a lot of it from teenagers.

According to my info screen, this stuff I'm watching on MSNBC right now is called "The Stripper and the Steelworker." I guess that refers to Boehner and Pelosi?

Someone should point out to Taibbi that the new health care laws cover being doused with coffee by angry dudes.

this will make Michael Moore happy.

there was an incident with bart stupak

huh?

LUKE RUSSERT IS ON THE STORY

did he say "well, dude, i was on the floor" -- that's what i want to hear at least

someone yelled "baby killer" at bart stupak and his hair

and plenty of my right-wing FB friends are sorely tempting my "defriend" button right about now.

heckler has not been identified

stupak's hair was seen weeping

WTF SEAN HANNITY JUST PUNCHED SOMEBODY

gtf outta here

the health care debate with morbs:

M: This health care bill is garbage.

ilxor: but doesn't it do more good than harm?

M: Go watch a kevin smith movie, cocksucker.

"it sounded like he had a southern accent"

sean hannity just punched bart stupak's hair

bart stupak's hair's chief of staff has wrestled hannity down to the ground

http://rimworlds.com/theclassicsciencefictionchannel/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/eraserhead.jpg

YOUR TWEENS ON SKREEEEEET

re: taibbi - well, one perspective on it from one of the few progressive blogosphere people who know what they're talking about as far as the process goes.. this piece of legislation is passing parts of health care reform that are toughest to get through, the mandate, regulation, subsidies. this is the hard part. but after this it should not be so hard (in theory) to pass other bills for the public option or opening medicare to more people, because the issue at hand will be about saving money, there won't be all this other stuff to deal with now that reform's been passed.

no disrespect but taibbi's not an expert here

YOUR TWEETS ON SPEED

WHITE PUNKS ON TWEET

taibbi seems off-base to me, here, and i love his writing/analysis.

mainly I'm trying to sponsor an amendment to get the word "tweet" the f. outta the thread title

so, when do i get all of yr checks? or will the government just show up @ my door with big piles of other ppl's health-money?

I'm hoping I get pizza.

J0hn, you have my vote.

GOP GONE WILD: YOUR TITS ONSCREEN

i think it's time to turn off msnbc when i start finding myself getting attracted to ezra klein

Welcome to Repeal It!: the pledge to rescue America from Twitter-referencing thread titles. We know it’s not enough just to fight this thread title – it could still pass. So our pledge is to Repeal It!

tbh, defriending quite a few on FB right now.

i think it's time to turn off msnbc when i start finding myself getting attracted to ezra klein

you're the only one.

haha NOT the only one, rather

I've been watching CNN's live coverage, NO commmentators.

matthew yglesias:

Now that it’s done, Barack Obama will go down in history as one of America’s finest presidents. It’s always possible of course that, like LBJ, he’ll get involved in some unrelated fiasco that mars his reputation. But fundamentally, he’s reshaped the policy landscape in a way that no progressive politician has done in decades.

Under the circumstances, it’s in some ways crazy to realize the scope of things still on the congress’ plate. The House has already passed major legislation dealing with climate change and financial regulation, and the president is also committed to significant reform of K-12 education and the immigration system.

on the baby killer thing, from tpm;

After speaking with reporters he went back into the House chamber and then returned a few moments later and said: "Other people agree with me it was someone with a southern accent." Campbell also said that some of the Republicans on the floor recognized the voice but would not say who it was.

Eh, let's not suck each other's dicks yet.

quit standing between the ppl & their beejes Alfred

Now that it’s done, Barack Obama will go down in history as one of America’s finest presidents.

also, may I be the first to say "lol"

BJ's aren't covered in this bill, J0hn.

but doesn't it do more good than harm?

We'll know in about ten years, right? I have strong doubts. If it turns out to stink, Matt A will blame it on Nader.

I am writing the extra check every month for the beej & I advise all my constituents to do the same

BarackObama

About to address the nation on tonight's historic vote. Watch live: http://j.mp/dvUmn2
half a minute ago via web

oh man Nancy and her gavel, be still my heart

pelosi's glass-eyed smile face is so, so creepy

this healthcare bill is exactly like a movie morbs hasnt seen but h8 fiercely none the less

man i hate ed schulz

this healthcare bill is exactly like a movie morbs hasnt seen but h8 fiercely none the less

to be fair most of those movies don't bend over backwards to demonize abortion & the women who need them

healthcare bill has quentin tarantino earmarks

sooo happy I don't have cable. Is David Gergen somewhere?

u clearly havent seen knocked up john

Is David Gergen somewhere?

this is blowing my mynd right now.

well you've got me dead to rights there cr?am

david gergen is EVERYWHERE

H: why, specifically, are you opposed to this bill?

C: this bill is an egregious, egregious . . .

(long pause)

. . . sorry, this bill is just horrible.

who?

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/original/img-david-gergen-_142308819606.jpg

http://cagle.msnbc.com/hogan/webextras15/TTV/SavoirFaire.jpg

US POLITICS: A HANDSOME BAKED POTATO

dana bash reports that "this took so long because the package needed to be gone over with a fine toothed comb" -- well then

http://sanford.duke.edu/news/newsletters/dpn/images/spring99/Gergen.jpg

big hairy packages

this healthcare bill is exactly like a movie morbs hasnt seen but h8 fiercely none the less

The QT amendment does state any new prosthetic limb will be automatic.

with very few exceptions, just about all of these folks calling into C-Span make me weep for this country.

also, i SERIOUSLY doubt that this Oklahoma woman complaining about foreign health care systems REALLY ever lived abroad.

so gross gergens minimalist combover consisting of like 100 hairs

fortunately the house just passed universal combover consultations.

obama wants american men to not look like douches.

a georgia house member just resigned?

on the floor

indeed -- GREAT TIMING

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

He's resigning so he can leave the chamber for pizza.

WTF SEAN HANNITY JUST PUNCHED SOMEBODY

― Cunga, Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:22 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^ srsly what the hell was this, details??

We'll know in about ten years, right?
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Monday, March 22, 2010 3:36 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

people with pre-existing health problems can get health insurance now. Why is this not a victory?

Sure maybe it's not a huge victory, but we're better off with it than without it.

Peace out, Nathan Deal

Biden is crying.

i'm pretty sure cunga was a-jokin

cuz there is nothing on the twitter about it

Biden is crying.

― APPLAUD YOU CORPSES (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 22, 2010 3:47 AM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

awwwww that old softie.

that guy cries at anything.

he's the dick vermeil of nat'l politics.

"I want to thank my Vice President, Joe Biden, who has now been stoned for a full calendar year."

hmmmm *strokes chin quizzically*

House boosts college aid for students in need

By JIM KUHNHENN
Associated Press Writer
updated 4 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Riding the coattails of a historic health care vote, the House on Sunday also passed a broad reorganization of college aid that affects millions of students and moves President Barack Obama closer to winning yet another of his top domestic policies.

The bill rewrites a four-decades-old student loan program, eliminating its reliance on private lenders and uses the savings to direct $36 billion in new spending to Pell Grants for students in financial need.

In the biggest piece of education legislation since No Child Left Behind nine years ago, the bill would also provide more than $4 billion to historically black colleges and community colleges.

Biden is thinking about handsome hot baked potatoes.

ok damn that college aid bill sounds awesome

Biden doesnt cry at Israeli apartheid

this healthcare bill is exactly like any movie icey has seen -- NEW, AND THEREFORE GREAT

If by Israeli apartheid you mean a shortage of matzoh balls at state dinners, then yes, yes he does

^^^ advantage Morbius

oh morbzpaws

obama's amazing. he's speaking on the TV now, and he just emailed me.

he never stops working

his speech has been pretty good, of course

i prefer pelosi's

and god bless all the aborted babies

I'd just like to remind everybody that the man is Nairf

obama and biden trotting off into the sunset patting each others backs was pretty sweet though

hahaha guys, geraldo is trolling fox news

thanks, guys, it's been real. I'll see you tomorrow in Nixonland.

he pretty much just asked brett baier "isn't it possible that all the critics at fox news were wrong" -- baier's looked like he had just seen an onscreen murder

this healthcare bill is exactly like any movie icey has seen -- NEW, AND THEREFORE GREAT

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:51 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

words from our local conservative progressive (and at least i watched the movie so ptthhhbt)

whoa Geraldo really is off the reservation here.

can we also note that possibly the shrewdest move of the night was tiger woods giving his first post-text message/sex therapy interview tonight

obama's amazing. he's speaking on the TV now, and he just emailed me.

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:54 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he never stops working

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:54 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

he just updated his Facebook page too! he's AMAZING!!

XD

u making soooo much sense, joe

Obama is your fave conservative, obviously

Hey morbs, in the trailer for health care reform you saw, did it have the coverage for pre-existing conditions in it? Because that was one of the best parts of the movie.

seriously sometimes I wonder how you people can be so blind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWzzXHvVps

The Democrat Party just signed their own death warrant for the mid-term elections.

You’re finished, FINISHED, F-I-N-I-S-H-E-D! This is just like 1994, and this bill is like the Brady Bill.

I can’t wait for the election.
I hate liberals, so much. Fuck you all. You’re cockroaches.

I wish Obama had given brief nods to Kennedy and Clinton--not just for the '93 effort, but supposedly he was enlisted to make phone calls yesterday.

i would like to see ufc stage a match between bart stupak's hair and geraldo rivera's mustache

geraldo's hair is pretty special too.

most effective first-year for a recent president, in terms of getting signature legislation passed: Bush I; Clinton; Bush II; Obama?

u making soooo much sense, joe

Obama is your fave conservative, obviously

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:59 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u just jealous cause i answered the call from history while ur on the sidelines checking caller id

ADJOURNED!

off to the bar.

i saw some of geraldo just now - that was funny. the fox audience mostly hates him i think..

HOW COULD NAIRF SEEK WARN MUSLIM

c'mon -- EVERYONE hates geraldo

PEC ban begins 2014, no?

so is "Stripper and the Steelworker" pre-empted to later tonight, or am I just going to have to wonder about it the rest of my life?

What is this nairf shite again?

hey so did something happen tonight, I was watching opera and playing WoW all day today

btw Ariadne auf Naxos is kind of crazy

joe you gotta admit "at least I watched knocked up" is self-damnation with very faint praise

Morbz just watched a bad Israeli movie, that's all.

Kennedy made phone calls yesterday? Damn, the plan is working already.

he called me and told me to bet on wake forest

still pissed about it tbh

dr. m, aside from the abortion issue, what exactly do you dislike about this bill?

I knew I should have reworded that...

OHHHH, i see kansas lost. EXCITING.

some choice pelosi giggles there

hey knocked up was kinda funny! it had a scene where they ate shrooms in vegas and talked abt chairs, it was a decent bill

icey, in what ways am I conservative? Just anybody who knows Bam is a tool gets the C-word, eh?

again i say: oddly hot with the giggles.

I. LOVE. THIS. GUY'S. ORATION. STYLE.

conservative, distrusts change.

hahaha CHANGE

I self-identify as a radical fairy w/out the hummus or Wicca.

do you shower

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:BLRcNdEZP3a37M:http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1993_The_Firm/993TFM_Wilford_Brimley_004.jpg
I self-identify as a radical fairy w/out the hummus or Wicca.

henry waxman is SHORT

ah right...ilx

morbs, this bill may not bitchslap corporations as much as you (or I) would like, but it covers people with pre-existing conditions and helps Medicare cut costs and therefore survive.

This is an important and necessary thing. You have a lot of legit criticisms of Obama, but waiting 20 years to get a better health care bill was not an option.

WTF SEAN HANNITY JUST PUNCHED SOMEBODY

― Cunga, Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:22 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^ srsly what the hell was this, details??

Someone burst into the room saying that, and we were all pretty convinced, got up out of our chairs etc. Also a nomination for new thread title if we still need one.

there could be more progressive bills, obv. (e.g., with public-option). but this is a major step forward. i don't think it's an exaggeration to say it is comparable to the passage of the medicare program.

(xp)

the bill's ok in some ways & stupid in others but the idea that opposing it is "conservative" is really beneath you joe - if I fuck your shit up & you oppose it, are you being conservative by opposing the change I bring? c'mon man you're better than that

and don't come with any "yeah I wd be conservative abt that," you know v. well you're using the term as an insult. it is not "conservative" to not think much of this bill, though many conservatives oppose it.

I like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/4453307340/

Because you can see Gibbs in the background thinking "Man, tomorrow will be EASY."

j0hn you do realize that he's never being serious right? ok

I want to see the movie where Morbz wakes up a Republican.

lol sexism on nbc: pelosi didn't "hit a home run" or "hit it out of the park" -- she "landed a quadruple lutz"

j0hn you do realize that he's never being serious right? ok

no I always get that one wrong :( ppl who are never being serious are my kryptonite

i was jus 'fuckin w/morbs' jeez

omg dr. m, are you a republican?

i wouldn't have guessed that, really

lol

http://aka-cdn-ns.adtechus.com/images/508/Ad714236St1Sz170Sq1173576V1Id1.jpg

i do srsly think its not a stretch to describe the good doctor as dispositionally (tho obvs not politically) conservative - i mean he h8s cell phones ffs - i cannot imagine the horrible things he must say abt indoor plumbing and twitter

Here are the effective 
dates of major provisions of the health care overhaul legislation:

WITHIN A YEAR:

Provides a $250 rebate to Medicare prescription drug beneficiaries whose initial benefits run out.

90 DAYS AFTER ENACTMENT:

Provides immediate 
access to high-risk pools for people with no insurance because of pre-existing 
conditions.

SIX MONTHS AFTER 
ENACTMENT:

Bars insurers from denying people coverage when they get sick.

Bars insurers from 
denying coverage to children with pre-existing conditions.

Bars insurers from 
imposing lifetime caps on coverage.

Requires insurers to 
allow people to stay on their parents' policies until they turn 26.

IN 2011:

Requires individual and small group market plans to spend 80 percent of premium dollars on medical services. Large group plans have to spend at least 85 percent.

IN 2013:

Increases the Medicare payroll tax and expands it to dividend, interest and other unearned income for singles earning more than $200,000 and joint filers making more than $250,000.

IN 2014:

Provides subsidies for families earning up to 400 percent of the poverty level, currently about $88,000 a year, to purchase health insurance.

Requires most employers to provide coverage or face penalties.

Requires most people to obtain coverage or face penalties.

IN 2018:

Imposes a 40 percent 
excise tax on high-end 
insurance policies.

IN 2019:

Expands health insurance coverage to 32 million people.

SOURCES: Speaker of the House, Congressional Budget Office, Kaiser Family Foundation.

I'd just like to remind everybody that the man is Nairf

― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Monday, March 22, 2010 3:56 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

<3!!!

doesn't everybody hate cell phones? obv. they bring mad convenience but they have made 99% of the planet look like shitheads

^^^^^^^^^^^ They are a necessary evil.

seriously now: i understand (what i think are) morbz' points (when he isn't just tossing off bitchy one-liners) and the difference b/w Obama's rhetoric and his actions can be infuriating (financial reform is the bee in MY bonnet wr2 the President). but seriously, a lot of laws & regulations that we now consider progressive started off much weaker and compromised than they eventually became -- like Medicare and Social Security; and the 1957(?) civil rights act as weak as it was also served as a template for the much better 1964 Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts. there's no guarantee that imperfections in this health care bill will be cured, but there's at least the POSSIBILITY that they can be improved -- which would not happen AT ALL if no bill had passed.

and yes, this is a major achievement for Obama. i mean that in a sort of neutral, these-are-the-facts way (the same way that i can say that Reagan's tax cuts in the early 1980s was a major achievement for HIM even if i don't like it).

like between an anachronist w/no cell phone and the dudes in airports around whom I spend half my waking life as they yammer loudly away on their hands-frees, reminding me of nothing so much as unmedicated dudes on a 72-hold at county medical, gimme the more "conservative" option plz

i love morbs, but i don't see why anyone in this thread seriously engages him like ^^this when he refuses to articulate himself beyond zings (which i enjoy of course)

i love morbs, but i don't see why anyone in this thread seriously engages him like ^^this when he refuses to articulate himself beyond zings

J0rdan with love I'm not sure you don't live in a glass house from which it would be imprudent to call ppl out for "refus[ing] to articulate [themselves] beyond zings"

^^^ mainly just did that post for bracket practice tho so n/m the content

well, we don't always have to write full-length treatises w/ footnotes, citations & shit when we post our opinions.

yes and rightfully so no one engaged me on my opinions because i was just makin jokes tonight

i'm just saying -- as everyone says -- this thread is much more fun when people ignore dr. morbius, or at least treat him like a harmless cat that nips at your elbow

hold on let me deconstruct that

wait when the fuck to cats ever nip at yr elbows

yeah i've never owned a cat -- i guess i said that cuz my elbow is hanging off the couch right now

wait when the fuck to cats ever nip at yr elbows

new favorite sentence of all time

sometimes they attack your feet when you are sleeping

when the fuck to cats attack your feet? when you are sleeping.

btw yall

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL), wearing a tie with the American flag printed on it

Morbs is conservative in as much as all dismissive skepticism is.

"Yes We Can!" obv. not the slogan of choice for a skeptic, or a conservative.

Anyway, back to the zingers...

Chestnuts roasting on an open fire
Some cats nipping at elbows

He does that all the time. Dude has to raise his game re: clothes I think.

fortunately Obamacare will cover your catscratched elbows

anyway i had fun spending this historic night with you all, and im happy this crazy shit finally went through, i cant recall the last time the political apparatus of our country did something this good, on one hand thats not saying much, on the other hand maybe it is, good night!

very happy about this. will be careful to avoid speaking with my republican family members for a week or so.

crazy s--t, this HCR. thanks for the lols, y'all.

very happy about this. will be careful to avoid speaking with my republican family members for a week or so.

― ryan, Monday, March 22, 2010 4:44 AM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

"WE ARE RUINED. Congratulations ObamaNazi! You have successfully killed the democratic capitalist republic once known as America! Now please go burn in hell. Thank you and have a great day!" -

thread is now about right-wing status updates.

http://www.bobcesca.com/images/medicare_sign_teabaggers.jpg

goodnight, everybody!

^^

the "get a brain, morans!" of the tea-bagger set.

Fixed the title

mr moderator the polls clearly show that the people of ilx do not support such a radical change

the democratic capitalist republic once known as America

That sounds more classically 1960s East European satellite republic than anything else! Ask your relatives how their translation of The State and Revolution is coming along.

I hate cellphones almost as much as I hate John Boehner.

People who don't have cell phones and are secretly proud about it are 100x worse than people who have cell phones. I used to be the former and I know. TBF they are not as bad as people who don't have TVs and are secretly proud about it.

I have a cellphone and I hate it.

Serious question - is there any reason to believe that this bill is going to let me (28, self-employed) buy a reasonable health insurance plan (ie doctor co-pays from day 1, reasonable deductibles on big procedures) for less than $200/month?

Senate schedule:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR2010032103445.html

current state of foxnews just for posterity

• VIDEOS: Obama Calls Passage a 'Victory' | Boehner to Dems: 'Hell No You Haven't Read It' | Pelosi: 'All-American Act'
• Stupak Called 'Baby Killer' | Groups Slam Obama Order on Abortion | RAW DATA: Executive Order on Abortion Funds
• SPEAKER'S LOBBY: Arrests Inside Capitol Building | READ THE BILL: Share Your Thoughts
• Pinkerton: Obamacare Is the Next Roe v. Wade | Tantaros: Biggest Abuse of Power | Peek: 'Victory' at What Price?

aaand the opinion section

#

* The Biggest Abuse Of Power And Arrogance Washington Has Ever Seen
The "change we can believe in" from President Obama and the Democrats has resulted in a health care bill that ...

#

* The Cost Of Doing Business Has Just Gone Up
* What Price Victory?
* Obamacare Is The Next Roe V. Wade
* What Happens When America Forgets God
* Obama To America -- I Win, You Lose
* We're Headed Straight Off A Cliff If Health Care Passes
* At Long Last, Universal Health Care

* Obama To America -- I Win, You Lose

lawlz

I wish I could keep up with these threads.

What Happens When America Forgets God.

I certainly can't think of anything Christlike in the idea that every man woman and child in a wealthy promise land should be healed through charity and pious actions of unselfish brotherly love.

still unclear - is this now law? does the senate have to do something else?

if not, why the hell did anyone care about Scott brown???

Me too. Bill still has to pass Senate, but Congress have passed the Senate's Bill so basically done? BBC news seemed equally confused saying Obama will sign it but that Republican's could still do something in Senate?

From this it still seems to have a way to go?

The president is expected to sign the House-approved Senate bill as early as Tuesday, after which it will be officially enacted into law. However, the bill will contain some very unpopular measures that Democratic senators have agreed to amend.
The Senate will be able to make the required changes in a separate bill using a procedure known as reconciliation, which allows budget provisions to be approved with 51 votes - rather than the 60 needed to overcome blocking tactics.
The Republicans say they will seek to repeal the measure, challenge its constitutionality and co-ordinate efforts in state legislatures to block its implementation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR2010032103445.html?hpid=topnews

good explanation of what happens next

The tea-party folks just decide to gun down anyone this helps?

You have a lot of legit criticisms of Obama, but waiting 20 years to get a better health care bill was not an option.

Getting a better bill in the PAST YEAR was an option for anyone but these losers.

riiiiiiiiight

oh JESUS CHRIST!

don't be an asshole. you saw the same compromise of a compromise of a compromise I did.

COME TO ME MORBIE

http://www.tomwhitestudio.com/images/Jesus_Christ_statue_600.jpg

I guess "riiiiiiiiight" is the kind of "bitchy one-liner" I usually perpetrate?

those vote totals don't point to a lot of wiggle room, morbs. you want a health insurance card that works everywhere and allows you to never worry about paperwork or money? move to europe.

this from slimebag david frum:

Today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished.

for such a supposed cynic morbs i find your optimism that single payer health insurance could have passed the congress of the united states curious and refreshing

don't be an asshole. you saw the same compromise of a compromise of a compromise I did.

not debating that the bill wasn't great, debating that any better bill could've been passed in this climate, and that the failure to pass a better bill is because Obama etc were "losers"

iow tracer otm

sorry "move to europe" was a stupid and harsh thing to say. canada's much closer.

The weather's better though.

ugh can we please change the thread title

your tweets onscreen was hilarious, this is gross

216 [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Congratulations, Democrats. Beginning now, you own the health-care system in America. Every hiccup. Every complaint. Every long line. All yours.

03/21 10:48 PM Share

thread does not deliver

ongratulations ObamaNazi

max otm

you will never pass thread title reform, abandon hope

maybe i will start my own politics thread without the word "twat"

If you do, we can turn this thead into an argument over how to correctly pronounce it.

I will campaign to have a twat added to max's healthcare thread through reconciliation

lol it really is the most magnificently offensive word, I grimace just typing it

Trying to "debate" this on Facebook with an old roommate this morning and the only argument he can give me is that "17,000 IRS agents will now be checking into our health records to decide if we deserve health insurance". Seriously? Like, I might as well be banging my head against the wall instead. I may just go do that, less painful in the long run.

Some Vajayjays Onscreen

us politics thread: historic legislation mandates 'knocked up' as americas favorite movie

dr morbius: "this is my waterloo"

is that a better title

the arms race of morbius: couldn't escape if he wanted to...

hahahahahahahahaha

HI DERE you are a golden god

aww man

four more twats! four more twats!

haha not even I could leave that title there

enjoy yr new safer less offensive title until someone gives a better suggestion

damn i missed it

it had several twats but they were still not enough to satisfy the pro-twat lobby

US POLITICS: dr morbius: "this is my waterloo"

it was US POLITICS: TWAT TWATS ONTWAT

So hey, you guys wanna see some crazy?

Would be funny re, Morbs except making fun of people in thread titles NOT NICE.

http://www.mayday2010.org/images/stories/girlmemorial.jpg

Hi, I watched the vote last night on CNN's live Internet stream (I don't have cable). My main question is this: who was the bearded chap who seemed to be directing the proceedings, recognizing speakers and so forth?

http://f2a.org/mayday/Airplane.jpghttp://f2a.org/mayday/BringABus.jpg

haha u r on fire

My main question is this: who was the bearded chap who seemed to be directing the proceedings, recognizing speakers and so forth?

bonnie 'prince' billy iirc

bring a bus!

it is like a sandra bullock movie about black people.

One Focus: God
One Purpose: Repentance
One Nation: Under God

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_n1vkfLObT4k/R97q90PnrCI/AAAAAAAABLU/E40tAMdD8A4/s320/commienazis.jpg

The United States Air Force test out their new logo and uniform, as designed by Obama's Czars.

Later Barack Hussein Obama will be conducting Kenyan under-bus sacrifice of Real Americans! Fun for the entire family!

There's a poll on that page and if I wasn't atheist I'd vote for the spiritual state of nation = 100 per cent YIPPEE option therein. Just to fuck with 'em.

Hi, I watched the vote last night on CNN's live Internet stream (I don't have cable). My main question is this: who was the bearded chap who seemed to be directing the proceedings, recognizing speakers and so forth?

― jam master (jaymc), Monday, March 22, 2010 9:18 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Obey

I voted "great" xpost

How do you rate the {spiritual condition} of our nation?

Great
Never better
Room for improvement
Indifferent
We really need to wake up

guys i am typing this from a re-education camp

ha I was about to post the poll options here as well

re: may day - now there's something I'll travel to our nation's capital to protest

someone should tell dr dobson that may day is int'l workers day

we really need to wake up

what exactly is the difference between "great" and "never better" btw

This is within earshot of my office and I'm almost disappointed that it's on a weekend.

Thanks max -- was Obey presiding as chair of the House appropriations committee?

i think he was just presiding as speaker pro tempore as designated by pelosi, not in any capacity w/r/t his chairmanship except that shed want to ask a senior leadership member to preside

"Hi, Godless Heathens internationale, how can I help?"

http://clioandme.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/may1.jpeg

why hasn't the rep who called stupak a babykiller stepped forward to claim the praise of pro-lifers? thought there would be more news on that this morning tbh.

Serious question - is there any reason to believe that this bill is going to let me (28, self-employed) buy a reasonable health insurance plan (ie doctor co-pays from day 1, reasonable deductibles on big procedures) for less than $200/month?

― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, March 22, 2010 1:32 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ this. I think I might need to incorporate to drive my base income down to get max subsidies...

Chuck Norris really bringin the nutso today

that is awesome

"there's something very, very wrong on the horizon"

"this health-care bill eventually will be so far reaching that it will become a major foundation for a fundamentally different America from which will sprout many tentacles"

Serious question - is there any reason to believe that this bill is going to let me (28, self-employed) buy a reasonable health insurance plan (ie doctor co-pays from day 1, reasonable deductibles on big procedures) for less than $200/month?

― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, March 22, 2010 1:32 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

depends on how much money you make--theoretically you wont have to pay more than 10% of your income and may pay as little as 3%

this is a v. rough calculator: http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

"This is not just a health-care bill, but a metastasizing tool and weapon"

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/cthulhu_800.jpg

http://www.wnd.com/images/banners/MayDayBanner-468x60.jpg

Chuck Norris: Metastasizing tool.

Que i have to admit if i saw that on the horizon i would also be somewhat upset

(To inspire and renew the founding spirit of our republic, Chuck encourages patriots everywhere to purchase the brand new photo book, "Don't Tread on Us!," for which he has written the foreword. The book is a collection of motivating and patriotic photos from rallies, tea parties and protests over the past year around the country.)

(To inspire and renew the founding spirit of our republic, Chuck encourages patriots everywhere to purchase the brand new photo book, "Don't Tread on Us!," for which he has written the foreword. The book is a collection of motivating and patriotic photos from rallies, tea parties and protests over the past year around the country.)

Oh my God

my birthday was last week so anybody lookin to show me late birthday love should totally buy me this

I luv u like a brother but fuck sending Chuck Norris money

I'm all for sending Chuck a metastasizing tool.

can we put together a real-world chuck norris facts then

Chuck Norris does not need money. He is gainfully employed.

my birthday was last week so anybody lookin to show me late birthday love should totally buy me this

socialist income-redistribution theory dictates that the richest person on the board should buy it for you, so I'm out

"Is there really a period of calm before a storm?"

His answer: There definitely is.

Foster noted, "It was recognized long ago that before a severe storm, the air is still and the birds stop singing and go to shelter."

What's true with weather is also true with Washington.

Many patriots have stopped singing. Some have gone into hiding. Others are gathering wood as we trudge through this Valley Forge. But all will reawaken and fight for the republic our founders laid down for us.

so psyched for chuck norris' remake of 'the birds'

Chuck Norris usually prevails in hand-to-hand combat, as he has extensive training in this field, although it would be unrealistic to imagine that a few guys with baseball bats wouldn't prove an unsurmountable obstacle.

for such a supposed cynic morbs i find your optimism that single payer health insurance could have passed the congress of the united states curious and refreshing

DIDN'T SAY IT

No one here actually reads my posts, so quitting again.

great now this is turning into the Chuck Norris thread

OK journalists, how about asking for a review copy to give to J0hn? The author always takes a financial hit for those so Chuck Norris himself would be subsidizing J0hn's enjoyment here.

Today health care reform, tomorrow OSAMA

http://rastapopulus.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/chuck-norris-album2.jpg

fwiw I am a patriot and I'm totally singing, in fact I sang all day yesterday and then watched some other people sing

Wow, Chuck must be where my FB crazies get their motivation. One choice status this morning: "THEY WILL KNOW THE STORM IS HERE IN NOVEMBER! WE WILL NOT SIT IDLY BY, THE APOCALYPSE IS COMING LIBERALS!"

Chuck needs to get into classical music and opera, whole lot of singing there

also how does one come liberals? that sounds painful?

Today health care, tomorrow KILLER TIMBER WOLVES

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bKJdH4htxxI/SJ2SQhOUGUI/AAAAAAAAAC4/GRv1QUdxgeI/s400/fark_chuck_norris_dog.jpg

No one here actually reads my posts, so quitting again.

I spend 1/6 of my board time bein dr save-a-morbs so I will totally kick yr butt if you try quittin again, you yankees fan, you

Like anyone, Chuck Norris hopes earnestly that science will someday find a cure for cancer. His particular skill set is of no use whatsoever in the quest for such a cure.

When Chuck Norris goes to burger king, he enjoys the Whopper (TM) Meal. He idd once request a Big Mac (TM) Meal, but quickly realised his mistake and everyone involved enjoyed a good laugh. He did not physically assault anyone involved

omg

we are all gonna get stupid rich off Chuck Norris Real World Facts

am i the only one reading a subtext of violence into chuck's declaration of the impending storm of patriot birds or what

^^^^^ Would pay MTV to produce this show.

xpost

Chuck Norris doesn't sleep much, as his need for sleep has decreased with advancing age.

This reminded me of the time when I attended a speech given by Ernie Titts, senior resident in astrophysics at NASA's jet propulsion laboratories. I said, Ernie, does the thin end of a wedge imply that the bigger end will soon follow?

"Definitely," he said. Definitely.

Dressed up and ready to fight health care:

http://www.filmjunk.com/images/weblog/2009/03/chucknorris1.jpg

This reminded me of the time when I attended a speech given by Ernie Titts, senior resident in astrophysics at NASA's jet propulsion laboratories. I said, Ernie, does the thin end of a wedge imply that the bigger end will soon follow?

"Definitely," he said. Definitely.

^^^ btw I don't think this applies here at all tbqf

for a brief, wonderful moment, I really thought Chuck Norris was namechecking a dude named Ernie Titts

life was beautiful then

xpost but the next time the Dems are reducing expectations & dialing back stuff they argued they actually wanted & generally making a mess of being the left-of-center party in power I'm going to remind you of how the health care bill, which helps a lot of people no doubt & good to hear it but whose shortcomings are well known to even its greatest proponents, was "the thin end of the wedge"

hey i'm just talkin bout Chuck.. at least that's what i assume he means by his metastasizing tentacle reference

but enough about Chuck's metastasizing tentacle

Chuck Norris once stopped a speeding locomotive, by pulling on the emergency brake. He was identified by fellow passengers and made to pay a fine.

I don't mind the thin edge of the wedge assuming of course that we are discussing delicious salads

lol my bad Tracer!

Chuck Norris has no chief export. He is a not a country.

216 [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Congratulations, Democrats. Beginning now, you own the health-care system in America. Every hiccup. Every complaint. Every long line. All yours.

03/21 10:48 PM Share

If only this thinking could be applied to private industry.

welcome to 1948 yall

ok just one more these are really obnoxious I know.

On a high school math test, Chuck Norris put down "Violence" as every one of the answers. His parents were called to the school for a parent-teacher conference, and young Charles explained that it had seemed funny to him at the time and was sorry if he had given anybody the wrong impression.

er, no, history mayne

made a gif that reenacts Morbs' reaction to the health care bill and then his leaving this thread forever:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8094/1269263072386.gif

morbs is on the right

wha

morbs is on the right

Of whom – Dennis Perrin?

of the giffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Wow wow wow wow wow wow people really, truly believe that the government will be calling them this week and telling them what health care provider they MUST use and what rate they MUST pay. SMH

just wait until they find grandma is still alive

On the positive side, this is really giving me an easy way to determine what "friends" need to be either pruned or hidden from my feed.

Derbyshire, about to slit his wrists in the bath:

As the fugleman for conservative despair, I am of course neither shaken nor stirred at the passing of the health-care bills. It was to be expected.

I see plainly that Western civilization, over my lifetime, has been a slow-sinking ship. The few who have known what is happening have worked desperately to seal the watertight doors, repair the fissures, pump out the flooded zones. It's been a losing fight, though. The tilt of the decks is harder and harder to ignore. Last night, a major bulkhead gave way. Soon a funnel will topple over with a great crash and a shower of sparks. Yet still the band is playing, the people are dancing, the food coming up from the galley.

Steven Hayward, writing about my latest in the Claremont Review of Books, says it is "surprising that Derbyshire never raises the obvious question: without the conservative movement of the past 50 years, how much worse would things be?" Not much, would be my answer.

Yet still the band is playing, the people are dancing, the food coming up from the galley.

Soon, J-Lo will let go of Jonah Goldberg's hand, and watch him drift down slowly through the dark sea. . .Moments later, the gigantic iceberg she is floating on will crack and collapse from the massive weight upon it, and as her body falls into the water, a giant whirlpool begins to swirl around, capturing everything around it for ten miles. . .

LOLLLLL thinking you meant K-Lo...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G4n4l6l1DBY/Sfet-Fon6vI/AAAAAAAAA2k/qJlGk8moezI/s400/butt-jennifer-lopez-400a062007.jpg

oh to be that iceberg

hee hee oops!

still funny i guess

K-Lo is played by J-Lo's butt

Jennifer Lopez will play National Review editor Kathryn-Jean Lopez in the upcoming William F. Buckley, Jr. biopic, directed by Jason Reitman

Nicholas Cage will play the avuncular founder of the conservative weekly

what the hell was wrong with YOUR TWEETS ONSCREEN i ask u

who was it who said she looked like a dog licked her hair, because I remember that every time I see her name and it never ceases to crack me the fuck up

oh to be that iceberg

I think it's pronounced assberg.

j-lo: my butt is an iceberg

sooo, assuming that there is some kind of defeat deflation effect (akin to the power of president scott brown), the GOP might just roll over and not pull any crazy shit against the senate reconciliation?

haha.

que i need to know the story behind yr gif or i shan't sleep tonite

kinda wonder how her colleagues feel about her

Judging by the way they let her walk around the NRO office with no makeup and her hair looking like it's been licked by a dog a few times, not very much.

― lihaperäpukamat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:24 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

let us all thank Alfred for this image

stevie i got the gif from the noise lols thread

what the hell was wrong with YOUR TWEETS ONSCREEN i ask u

― goole, Monday, March 22, 2010 11:01 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

asking the important questions

if cnn desperation isn't funny to u i dunno how we can even have a conversation

one of my wingnut FB friends is quoting "Sunday Bloody Sunday" right now wr2 the health-care bill ...

you should link the Wikipedia page for that song as a response

Fire Nancy Pelosi

Ha! 40 seats! good luck dipshits

http://www.firenancypelosi.com/disclaimer.jpg

steele goin ham

Dow Jones up 40 this morning, hmmmm.

In the Bush administration, this was standard practice. Any Democrat who resisted any component of a bill was accused of opposing the bill's objective. If you complained about labor provisions of the bill to establish a federal department of homeland security, Republicans said you were against homeland security. If you objected to part of the "Patriot Act," they said you were unpatriotic. If you criticized Bush's execution of the Iraq war, they said you were undermining our troops.
Obama has avoided this scorched-earth style of politics. But his advisers seem ready to try it. "Let them tell a child with a pre-existing condition, 'We don't think you should be covered,' " David Axelrod said of Republicans last night. On This Week, David Plouffe added:
We're going to go out there and not just talk about what we're for, but what the Republicans are voting against. They are siding with the insurance companies over people who are denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, siding with the insurance companies over saving seniors money. So this isn't just about us being a pinata here in the election. Elections are about choices. They are voting against an enormous tax cut for health care for 40 million middle-class families and 4 million small businesses.

http://www.slate.com/id/2248513/?from=rss

procedural note, via tpm:

The Senate parliamentary rules are that a reconciliation measure cannot be considered unless it is actually reconciling existing law. So Obama has to sign the bill before debate can start in the upper chamber.

amazing how reflexive that behavior is for the GOP. i read some quotes from an axelrod vs rove show, and axelrod was clearly fucking with him, at one point said something like "you should roll out another 'mission accomplished' banner or something" and rove responded with "don't denigrate the people carrying out the mission of the USS abraham lincoln." it just rolled off the tongue.

xp huh interesting

If you complained about labor provisions of the bill to establish a federal department of homeland security, Republicans said you were against homeland security. If you objected to part of the "Patriot Act," they said you were unpatriotic. If you criticized Bush's execution of the Iraq war, they said you were undermining our troops.
Obama has avoided this scorched-earth style of politics. But his advisers seem ready to try it. "Let them tell a child with a pre-existing condition, 'We don't think you should be covered,' " David Axelrod said of Republicans last night. On This Week, David Plouffe added:

OK this is bullshit false equivalence.

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/mlm/healthscatter.png

what does the size of the circle mean?

amazing how reflexive that behavior is for the GOP. i read some quotes from an axelrod vs rove show, and axelrod was clearly fucking with him, at one point said something like "you should roll out another 'mission accomplished' banner or something" and rove responded with "don't denigrate the people carrying out the mission of the USS abraham lincoln." it just rolled off the tongue.

this was plouffe, not axelrod--plouffe is much funnier/meaner

what does the size of the circle mean?

inversely proportional to penis size

This was on ABC's "This Week" yesterday.

Rove: "This thing is paid for with Bernie-Madoff-style accounting. ... It's a gigantic disaster."

Plouffe: "Karl and the Republicans would be familiar with that."

Rove: "You will bankrupt the country if this bill
passes. ... For God's sake, will you stop throwing around epitaphs
[sic] and deal with the facts for once, Da...vid? ... We will fight the
election on this,. and the Democrats will have significant losses in
the House and Senate as a result of this bill."

Plouffe: "If Karl and a lot of Republicans want to
call the election already, they ought to break out that 'Mission
Accomplished' banner."

Rove: "That's cheesy, David. ... You should not denigrate the mission of the USS Abraham Lincoln."

ha i love that. it's like two comedians fucking w/ each other and then he remembers he's still onstage, WTF CHEESY DUDE COME ON oh wait CRYING EAGLE DOT JPEG I HAVE SINNED AGAINST U MY LORD

Would love Plouffe to say 'OH NOES AN EAGLE, HE CRYING' in one of these faceoffs.

Robert Reich's view.

what does the size of the circle mean?

inversely proportional to penis size

― big time (HI DERE), Monday, March 22, 2010 3:48 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so norwegian penii are ∞ ?

apparently it's doctor visits per capita

here's the same data -

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/mlm/6a00e0098226918833012876674340970c-800wi.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/us/health-care-reform.html

japan sure seems to be doing something right

why are they visiting the doctor once a month tho

super gross sex comics must keep you healthy i guess

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2010/03/29/100329crbo_books_mayer?printable=true

daaa aaaaamn

Torture, a love letter

160% of foxnews.com visitors think it's (go on, guess)

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/21/decide-health-care-victory-america/

LOL the positive one even starts of "it's not perfect"

This is not a scientific poll.

xp Well, does *anyone* actually think it's perfect?

anybody have some perspective on the brewing legal challenges to the hrc bill? something about the mandatory coverage clause being unconstitutional? how does that work

Well, does *anyone* actually think it's perfect?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mJmwQtPmusk/SfYZ1cjoTRI/AAAAAAAADwI/MRWQ9zahPKY/s400/strawman2.jpg

this guy does

Oh hey! I know that dude. I'm always arguing with him.

dude is a duck imo

i mean a dick

quack

I know his IP address, he's actually a sock.

Tracer, I think you meant "duck"

fuckin hate it when ducks post on ilx

ducks suck

i mean dicks

i mean, i suck dicks

D'OH

http://www.entreesint.co.uk/products/images/toilet2.jpg

I, for one, am never buying a product called "Toilet Dick"

I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night with Toilet Dick

and I'm like "Hey Toilet Dick, get out of my bed."

but seriously folks

xxp But it investigates the grime and build-up in your bowl!

"Toilet Dick" is when you blame your herpes on public conveniences imo

"that? oh don't you worry about that, darlin, it's just a little touch of toilet dick"

very happy this bill passed the house just in time for the toilet dick epidemic

toilet dick has never caused a problem for me, dan, i don't know why you're making this into a big deal

"Toilet Dick" cld also be a plumber that sleuths on the side

jaymc made that joke, bruv

oic that now

does it sleuth right or left

when you've got toilet dick it really opens up the sleuth in all directions tbh

toilet dick = peryonie's disease iirc

don't GIS that at work btw

don't cross the streams--that's how you get toilet dick

a friend forwarded some choice freeper reax:

To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I feel worse today than I did on 9/11. Instead of 3000 murderers, about 33 million will be murdered by Obama’s henchmen. No doubt about it. This will weave violent ripples throughout our once proud Republic.
109 posted on 03/21/2010 10:26:02 PM PDT by Soothesayer9

To: Soothesayer9
I feel like a Jew on the night the Nuremberg Laws were passed.
110 posted on 03/21/2010 10:26:30 PM PDT by dfwgator

mitt romney is a duck:

(Obama) calls his accomplishment “historic” — in this he is correct, although not for the reason he intends. Rather, it is an historic usurpation of the legislative process — he unleashed the nuclear option, enlisted not a single Republican vote in either chamber, bribed reluctant members of his own party, paid-off his union backers, scapegoated insurers, and justified his act with patently fraudulent accounting. What Barack Obama has ushered into the American political landscape is not good for our country; in the words of an ancient maxim, “what starts twisted, ends twisted.”

is that really an ancient maxim??

it's one of the first written references to toilet dick

is that really an ancient maxim??

kind of--it was the slogan for the movie Twister

not familiar with that ancient maxim either; must be a mormon thing? or a duck thing

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032002556.html

please please please let whomever is running against Bachman use this against her to the fullest degree

http://www.gop.com/

"what starts twisted, ends twisted" apparently is an ancient maxim that Romney made up if Google is to be believed

Toilet Dick: what started twisted, then becomes untwisted, thanks to Obama's healthcare plan

romney is referring to the ancient riddle: "what starts with a T, ends with a T, and has T in it"

This is the most chill socialist apocalypse I have ever lived in.

what starts http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Fck_yew/Twiztid8967.jpg ends http://www.chicagogigs.com/images/content/twiztid_twiztid__tickets_2435670.jpg

/Fck_yew/

haha max

someone with more knowledge tell me: is there any validity to claims that this bill will lead to fewer primary care doctors and doctors willing to treat medicare and medicaid patients, because payments are going to go down? Are medical students really so disheartened by the future of medicine where compensation is concerned? because I keep hearing this, but the reports I actually hear from medical students and doctors don't seem to actually jibe with it.

One slice of BS in a massive shitstorm.

I feel like a Jew on the night the Nuremberg Laws were passed.

I just mean WOW

The great mystery of the passage of health care reform is resolved. Who yelled "baby killer" at Bart Stupak during the debate over the motion to recommit? Texas Republican Rep. Randy Neugebauer just now issued the following statement:

“Last night was the climax of weeks and months of debate on a health care bill that my constituents fear and do not support. In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase ‘it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership. While I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself.
“I have apologized to Mr. Stupak and also apologize to my colleagues for the manner in which I expressed my disappointment about the bill. The House Chamber is a place of decorum and respect. The timing and tone of my comment last night was inappropriate.”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/22/neugebauer-admits-to-yelling-baby-killer/#ixzz0ivmcuyxY

Noam Chomsky interviewed about health reform:

"If I were in Congress," he said, "I'd probably hold my nose and vote for it, because the alternative of not passing it is worse, bad as this bill is. Unfortunately, that's the reality."

...

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor added that it’s a damning referendum on American democracy that one of the most highly supported components of the effort nationally, the public insurance option, was jettisoned.

"It didn't have 'political support,' just the support of the majority of the population," Chomsky quipped, "which apparently is not political support in our dysfunctional democracy."

"There should be headlines explaining why, for decades, what's been called politically impossible is what most of the public has wanted," Chomsky said. "There should be headlines explaining what that means about the political system and the media."

http://rawstory.com/2010/03/noam-chomsky-health-bill/

I'm shocked--shocked!--that the guy who yelled "baby killer!" is also a birther. Birthers have always seemed so rational, so intelligent.

xpost

ha, i'm not really buying that explanation. "what NO i was't calling YOU a bitch, I was, uh, referring to the situation, like, it's a total bitch that we're fighting right now."

so, what's next: many small-bore jobs bills; financial regulation reform; immigration reform?

tequila shots, hand jobs, self-loathing and mutual recriminations

better!

"mutual recriminations" sounds entertaining.

I don't know if this was posted elsewhere but here is David Frum saying "STFU, my party, you are not helping":

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/22/frum.healthcare.gop.strategy/index.html?hpt=T2

Lookit all those pissed-off white men in that photo attached to the Frum column.

"In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase ‘cheer up, baby, killer party in my chambers after the vote' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership and in the general direction of Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MI)... I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself, most notably by Rep. Bachmann."

I heard him and he did not say 'it's a', just 'baby killer' on its own. Twat.

it's a motherfucker babykiller

Twat is a baby killer? That seems counter-productive

"What is that expression you Americans use? 'That's a baby killer!'"
"We just say 'baby killer.'"

Fear is the babykiller
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration (to the fetus in your womb)

Oh so THAT'S what was in the basket.

Fear is lotion

Spicy!

look if we can't have YOUR TWEETS ONSCREEN, can we at least have

US POLITICS: Congratulation to USA for their upcoming health

why not

allah!

look if we can't have YOUR TWEETS ONSCREEN, can we at least have

US POLITICS: Congratulation to USA for their upcoming health

US POLITICS: TOO MUCH DEMOCRACY

US POLITICS: HEY I LIKE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD

I never thought I'd live to see the day when the USA finally turned into a civilized country like the rest of us communist dictatorships where doctors have to work for free and all babies are killed and their blood is sacrificed to satan.

I been biting my tongue on this one, but fuck it.

US POLITICS: YOUR SKEETS ON TWEEN

LOL

US POLITICS: I DON'T GET WHY ADDING A SUBTITLE TO EVERY THREAD IS A THING NOW ON ILX

US POLITICS: BECAUSE IT'S HOW THE KIDS COMMUNICATE THESE DAYS, WITH THEIR SKINNY JEANS AND PALESTINIAN SCARVES AND AMBIGUOUS SEXUALITY

US POLITICS: SECRET CHEESE BABY KILLERS

US POLITICS: VAMPIRE WEEKEND

US POLITICS: SYMMETRY REQUIRED GABBNEB TO START THIS

US politics: better than numbered threads imho

US POLITICS: AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT READING ILM

US POLITICS: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8094/1269263072386.gif

i think all subtitles should be surm thread titles

US POLITICS: i'm wearing a really gay outfit: fashion risks for better or for worse

US POLITICS: PREPARE FOR CIVIL WAR.

US POLITICS: what is this thing that men do, they put their hand down their pants when lounging around?

US POLITICS: I THOUGHT YOU WERE MY BOYFRIEND

US POLITICS: GET OFF OF MY LAWN

US POLITICS: CHECK OUT MY BERET IT'S HAWT

US POLITICS: WHO'S HIDING THE PAD OF IMPEACHMENT FORMS?

US POLITICS: NANANANANANA WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWIIIEEEEEEEE THAT PENIS I SLIPPED ON A PUBLIC BATHROOM WAS GOOOOOOOOOOOD

waht

how do you.. you know what, no

You know what, no would be a good subtitle.

US POLITICS: NO

catchy

US POLITICS: POOPING IN THE SHOWER (DON'T WORRY IT'S A METAPHOR; THE POOP IS THE TENOR AND THE SHOWER IS THE VEHICLE)

THE POOP IS THE TENOR is dangerously close to being a life motto

us politics: rip democratic capitalist republic once known as America

US POLITICS: When reasonably minded people who only want the best for America come together in discourse and chat with their indoor voice.

too many good subtitle choices here.

we need a poll.

it's the American way.

US POLITICS: WE NEED A POLL

US POLITICS: LET THE WOOKIE WIN

We've got enough title suggestions to last us through Romney's two terms.

US POLITICS: BABY KILLERS ITT

US POLITICS: WHAT STARTS TWISTED, ENDS TWISTED

US POLITICS: BART STUPAK NEEDS A NEW PROM DATE

In response to Rep. Bart Stupak’s announcement that he and other self-labeled “pro-life” Democrats will vote in favor of Healthcare reform legislation with the addition of an Executive Order from the White House to address concerns about abortion funding, Susan B. Anthony List Candidate Fund President Marjorie Dannenfelser offered the following statement:

“This Wednesday night is our third annual Campaign for Life Gala, where we were planning to honor Congressman Stupak for his efforts to keep abortion-funding out of health care reform-We will no longer be doing so. By accepting this deal from the most pro-abortion President in American history, Stupak has not only failed to stand strong for unborn children, but also for his constituents and pro-life voters across the country.”

“Let me be clear: any representative, including Rep. Stupak, who votes for this healthcare bill can no longer call themselves ‘pro-life.’…”

ALLAH! *rolls on floor* (HI DERE)

kills me!

Why are they calling it the "Campaign for Life Gala"? It should be called what it is, the "Capriciously Bitchy Gala".

That's a typo, s/b Campaign for Life Day Gala

http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/liferobes.jpg

"the most pro-abortion president in history"

really? reminds me of the one rep who argued last night that hcr was "the most pro-abortion legislation since roe v. wade."

do you guys remember when congress voted to pass roe vs. wade? neither do i!

I for one welcome our new anti-life overlords

us politics: but i poop from there!

All this foofaraw has inspired me to get into Facebook arguments with my conservative relatives. Tune in tomorrow when I ask the musical question, "Who has created more human misery in the last five years: Al Qaeda or AIG Financial Products Division?"

answer: "obama"

see, easy.

might steal that status update.

I'm a bit worried about the Repubs taking congress and the next presidential election. What sort of damage will they do? Any thoughts?

*Washington will become "PalinTown USA"
*Everyone will be required to own a gun
*same thing for snowmachines

*they will eliminate the liberal cities of New York and San Francisco

will I still be able to buy BBQ chips at the supermarket?

*public high school science textbooks:
http://static.open.salon.com/files/jesus_dinosaur1234467260.jpg

tbh i think the democrats have been predicted to have significant midterm losses for the past year now, i'm not sure that the passage of hrc really changes anything that much except giving pols & pundits a peg to hang their election narratives on

hcr ^ i mean

will I still be able to buy BBQ chips at the supermarket?

Be able to? Hell, you'll be force-fed BBQ chips until you have the diabeetus.

every time I see the acronym HCR I think people are talking about legislating Hillary

hahahaha me too

To: Soothesayer9
I feel like a Jew on the night the Nuremberg Laws were passed.
110 posted on 03/21/2010 10:26:30 PM PDT by dfwgator

i know i already asked this but WTF THESE PEOPLE SO RILED UP ABT?? now im getting riled up not understanding what theyre so riled up abt - it doesnt make any sense at all

A satanic black man is their president! This is like hell x 666 for them.

joe that commenter is an unborn baby and is afraid that the hcr legislation will result in his being aborted

Am guessing 'soothesayer' a misspelling and not a neologism.

Oh, and they're stew-pit. Look at this guy. He's the founder of teaparty dot org:

http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader

ice cr?m, here's one from the LA Times comment section that may shed a little light...

At long last, after a century and a half, black
lynches white. Hallelulah.

Posted by: Frank Thompson | March 21, 2010 at 08:41 PM

Babies would die from fright if they had to gaze upon this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim//2010/03/22/image6323194x_370x278.jpg

aw, but he looks like a gigantic newborn!

http://i48.tinypic.com/2v2vzsz.jpg

The lawsuits have already began

Yeah and Orly Taitz keeps filing lawsuits too.

Things have moved on a bit from Mitsubishis.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads16/Obama+ecstasy+pills+031259885806.jpg

I'm a bit worried about the Repubs taking congress and the next presidential election. What sort of damage will they do? Any thoughts?

Running on a policy of eliminating the new protections from pre-existing conditions and taking away medicare from 30+ million who now have it may not be the best move. I'm sure they are praying to JHVH the economy doesn't bounce back in any significant way.

A Republican/Tea Party merger should be coming up soon I'd say. The anti-gov't stance they've been pushing is going to be the totality of their platform in order to appeal to this new voting block. That and NO DEAD BABIES

any britishes wanna debate the wisdom of Ramesh Ponnoru's "English friend"?

In Britain the introduction of the NHS was passionately supported by both parties. Tory opposition to the legislation accepted the principle of medical care free at the point of consumption and concentrated instead on secondary questions. It could hardly have done otherwise since Churchill's wartime coalition government had developed its own plans for a single-payer system of universal health insurance—along with other statist social welfare measures.

At the time of its passage the cost-benefit structure of the new British system was radically opposite to that of Obamacare. Its benefits—mainly the extension of free medical care from the poor to the middle class—came at once; its costs were delayed for a decade and a half as almost all budgetary health allocations went to current spending and almost none to capital investment. Not until 1962 did a British government embark on a hospital building program; until then—and for many years afterwards—the national health service lived off the fixed capital invested by private Victorian philanthropy. (Even a few years ago you could tell this from the appearance of the buildings.) The advance of medical science today makes a repeat of this performance quite impossible. So the money to meet the increasing demand for medical services will have to come from somewhere other than the capital budget. Where?

Rationing is implicit in both Obamacare and the NHS. But the customers of both systems are very different. Most modern Americans get good health care. They have learned to expect it. They will complain if they don't get it. And they have their present care as a method of comparison to any new system. Brits in 1948 had just survived a terrible war. Rationing was part of their everyday lives. They were a deferential people to begin with in a much more hierarchical society. Brits of today would be much much harder to convince—if they had not got used to getting free but inadequate health care.

And the ratio of winners to losers in both cases is very different. As the previous paragraph suggests, there were no real losers in the Britain of 1948. Only a tiny handful of very rich people had any experience of great medical care—and they were rich enough to pay higher taxes AND private insurance premiums. Everyone else got roughly the same medical care; but now the middle class got it for nothing as most of the poor had done before. Nobody lost—not for another fifteen years when the quality of medical care began to decline noticeably. And by then they were hooked. By contrast almost every insured Ameerican is a potential loser under Obamacare. And some of those considered to be winners—i.e., the currently non-insured—will feel like losers if they are forced to insure and then remain inconveniently healthy.

So, for all sorts of reasons, opponents of this bill should not feel deterred from hope of repeal by the British experience. At the very least they have a window of opportunity to reverse the legislation of about eight to ten years. It's doable if you think it's doable—not if not.

Guys, all this talk about lawsuits has me a bit worried. On the one hand, every liberal and moderate commentator seems to be saying that the suits hold no water and have no legal hope of passing, which is true from a purely technical viewpoint. But I don't see any reason why the Supreme Court wouldn't just choose to step in and overturn HCR for the hell of it. It seems to me that several of the conservative justices hold personal grudges against Obama, so really what would stop them?

Someone talk me down. >:/

i don't understand why they are so obsessed by the nhs, which is demonstrably unexceptional in terms of costs and outcomes. is it a churchill thing?

the same thing that would stop obama from stacking the court

if they had not got used to getting free but inadequate health care.

hmm, are britishes so dissatisfied?

Nobody lost—not for another fifteen years when the quality of medical care began to decline noticeably.

what calamity occurred in the early 1960s?

lsd

bob dyland didn't play woodstock

what calamity occurred in the early 1960s?

Margaret Thatcher got married.

hmm, are britishes so dissatisfied?

i think his point is that we are kind of used to a certain level, which is rather low by objective standards, and the absence of a significant private market means we have no idea what we're missing. this is of course a waterfall of bullshit.