Hutaree Militia

ok these dudes are based in michigan and crazy as fuck
they made a plan to kill a police officer and then attack the funeral and have recently been arrested for this plan. apparently they are "christians"
linkz:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36075836/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts?GT1=43001
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/hutaree-christian-militia_n_516533.html
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/0329stone.pdf
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0329/Hutaree-militia-arrests-point-to-tripling-of-militias-since-2008

let's discuss

we did

sorry to be a dick. it moves fast, but the US POLITICS threads had some laffs about it this morning.

i think this warrants it's own page.

I have a distant cousin who went crazy and born again a few years ago and reconnected with on facebook. From time to time she posts these rabid insane youtube videos, always screaming "WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! THIS IS HAPPENING!!! WAKE UP!!!" I think I managed about 30 seconds of one of them, but I have a feeling they're related to this crap.

i did a search and got nothing,
goole- could you please link to the previous discussion?

also

"We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All Christians must know this and prepare, just as Christ commanded," the group's Web site said. "Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment."

STAY ALIVE USING EQUIPMENT

Jesus Subscribed to Popular Mechanics

I heard a story about this on NPR as I was driving back to Chicago from Iowa. On the way to Iowa I lamented the lack of prominent cults and poof! Here we go.

i read "blood and politics" by leonard zeskind which was half about these kinds of people but i don't remember this specific group mentioned

what is it with midwesterners starting bat-shit crazy militant groups? and then like "christian" fanatics who are violent? that seems to me directly contradictory

and these people were attacking police officers? wtf?
"According to investigators, the Hutaree view local, state, and federal law enforcement personnel as a "brotherhood" and an enemy, and planned to attack them as part of an armed struggle against the U.S. government."

the only thing I find odd about this is the actual name "Hutaree" which sounds like some kind of African tribe

survivalists/militia people killing cops has been a thing before! xpost

Hutaree Leboon

it is a day of amusing names

Michigan can be a weird place, and western michigan even more so. Grand Rapids is home to all sort of rich rightwing Christianist nutters. Blackwater, now Xe(for chi-epsilon) is out of that area, too.

The Klan is now located in mid-michigan, between Ann Arbor and Flint and E. Lansing, iirc.

shakey perhaps u r thinkin baout this?

http://api.ning.com/files/I98qfrw39Z2vG5WjkJsKkO8LQSLtO7N80gRLx-ohqE0tRRBP8Q-uh4-VF45T9bPHfkTv0bjIc8ZuG3Hj*fuGnx2U4BXR-XFB/hatari.jpg

from the indictment:

some hutaree members are identifiable by their tiger stripe camouflage uniforms with a distinct shoulder patch which contains a black cross, two brown vertical pillars which form the letter "h" in combination with the black cross, two red spears, a brown V shape at the base of the cross symbolizing the supporting hands of the hutaree and the initials "ccr"

creedence???

that's kinda what i thought too

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0329-hutaree-christian-militia.jpg/7650749-1-eng-US/0329-Hutaree-Christian-militia.jpg_full_600.jpg
this is the leader's crib

http://hutaree.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apmn9xMxiZ4&feature=player_embedded

oic, colonial christian republic

identifiable by their tiger stripe

hey these hutaree peeps have a forum too!

http://www.hutaree.com/forum/index.php

but you can only look at the public one unless you become a registered user

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hutaree-militia-chirstian-militia-to-become-cable-news-next-big-storyline/

I don't see this story having a lot of legs, frankly, unless there are more titillating/bizarre details still to come (which I doubt, frankly)

frankly mister frankly

An unwelcome addition to the "-aree suffix" family of words.

Okay, Michigan State Police's armored vehicle kicks my state police's armored vehicle's ass.

http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/30/98516960-bc58-4f45-9619-2eea244664d2news.ap.org_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4

http://www.mdsp.org/images/kids/policesod.jpg

9th militia member surrenders to police

also: hutaree videos are funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hua6KHWM40g&feature=player_embedded

didn't see this posted before. apologies if it was (maybe on the other thread).

O West Michigan, my ancestral home. o_O

looks like the guy behind the uzi-weilding ohio militiaman is a prisoner.

i know he's not, but it's a stupid image for the group to maintain. they need a good PR firm, asap!

http://www.annarbor.com/2010/03/29/stone-property.jpg

Hoardaree, more like.

way to go, ohio
i have a facebook friend from high school who seems borderline about to join one of these groups. he has that perfect combination of ignorance, former military experience, hatred of the government, failure to control his big mouth, and inability to write a sentence without making at least 2 hilarious spelling mistakes. he's actually pretty offensive in general (complained about MLK day?) but i am keeping him around so that i know if he goes totally batshit.

Grand Rapids is home to all sort of rich rightwing Christianist nutters. Blackwater, now Xe(for chi-epsilon) is out of that area, too.

blackwater/xe is based in north carolina.

i'm always bemused by the reading of "prophecy" by militant groups such as this. revelations does indeed contain the prophecy of a coming anti-christ but hey! where's the prophecy that a brave uprising will defeat the anti-christ? nowhere! because the christians are meant to suffer unspeakable torments before the new jerusalem! lolz

Eric Prince is from Holland, MI -- was that what you were thinking of? GR is still batshit, though.

unspeakable torments = OBAMACARE

Members of a militia charged with plotting to kill police were not Christian or a militia, a man acquainted with the group said Tuesday.

it is important to note that this "man" is in a militia

I think it is the height of NPD to believe that the end of the world is nigh in your own lifetime.

My favorite gchat status update is "One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important."

wow this is nuttier/more amazing than I thought

the thing about these groups is that you never see, like, a super-flash Bond-villain operation set up with massively hi-tech gadgets; it's always some losers with a porto-potty bolted onto a pickup truck that they call "mobile HQ"

And I think you have yourself a movie pitch!

Jack Black, Zach Galafinakas, who else...

of course, suzy -- but if you look at the text they are reading as prophecy, the rapture occurs BEFORE the tribulation of the world or the coming of the anti-christ. say what you will about the 'left behind' books, at least the make an attempt at interpretive rigor!

Interpretive rigor mortis.

they have weddings:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/hutaree-wedding-cropped-proto-custom_8.jpg

my wife and i only had handguns at our wedding (sigh).

would you guys be angry with me if I started an all-black militia

the guns and camouflage are kinda rad

although I suppose not actually being on the FBI's radar is radder than guns and camouflage

it's kind of a tossup

hideree

would you guys be angry with me if I started an all-black militia

This makes me think of my least favorite scene in The Stand.

did we get an etymology of their faux tribal terrible corporate buzzname btw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutaree

The name "Hutaree" seems to be a made-up word[3] that according to the group's website means "Christian soldiers."[4]

David Brian Stone Jr., 19 (a.k.a "Junior", "Jaggers" )

!!!

haha

Oh wait, that was probably one of you guys, huh?

would you guys be angry with me if I started an all-black militia

lol FBI wasn't too keen on this idea back in '66 FYI

shake hutaree

everthing I got is on the lawn

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/hutaree-wedding-cropped-proto-custom_8.jpg

Counting down til Hutaree hipsterrunoff analysis. That picture really looks like a buzzband.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/hutaree-bride.jpg

WHAT THE FUCK

like this is the same reaction I have to the photos from that gun show in western MA where that doctor's kid ended up shooting himself in the face; where the hell are the sane, responsible adults in all of this

fuck these idiots

Waco these fucks.

also does she have black roses in her bouquet

MI militia brides: kinda goth

http://www.facebook.com/people/Hutaree-Christian-Militia/100000083123789

this is an extremely marginal group of people in the broad swathe of american life. it's basically a blip, no matter how interesting it is. what the hutaree "mean" could be an interesting question but i'll be damned if i want to read any of the analyses, which are guaranteed to have their conclusions pre-ordained.

what is important is the number of people who agree in some measure with them, or at least will agree that they are being demonized unfairly, or that they have a point buried in there, etc. it's analogous to the IRS-suicide-bomber guy: a lot of people were willing to allow that he was crazy, but only by saying that the forces that drove him crazy were very real and dangerous

that said, there is a political value to seeing these guys on the news (or as the butt of jokes) for a while. because, if you are hyper christian, love guns and hate "the government" in whatever sense, sorry, the Hutaree ARE on your team, in kind and degree, and yes you have some 'splainin to do.

but again, this is a country of 300 million people so a dozen-odd people super committed to a totally whacked out set of ideas is both inevitable and not even a rounding error, basically.

does the name somehow have something to do with these dudes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite

also wtf is this colonial christian republic? the only search hits i find are tied to hutaree

i want to learn more about their secret christian language tbh.

we know it as "ubbi dubbi"

^^^flashbacks to ZOOM

hey guys remember when the GOP was angry that Obama admin was predicting a spike in right-wing terrorist activities

where the hell are the sane, responsible adults in all of this

off learning to survive with equipment, presumably

guess not with the hutterites as they were PACIFISTS

you know it's bad when other people in militias want to distance themselves from these guys

bad? they just got caught.

"bad" w/r/t how wacky/fringey they are

you know it's bad when other people in militias want to distance themselves from these guys

eh, People's Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front etc

RE goole
i think what's interesting about hutaree and waco and mcveigh is that this type of thing keeps happening. what is going on with these people that they will take guns and bombs and direct them on some authority figures and some innocent people? i think i might include the kids of columbine in this confusion i have as well. but atleast in their case they were teenagers who everyone knows are batshit crazy. these adults who do this kind of thing are they just adolescents who never grew out of their desire to play "guns" and run around acting like soldiers? are they ne'er-do-wells who just bottle up all of their frustrations and failures only to erupt in plots to kill?

maybe they have small penises?

I am sure that bride has an average-sized penis

all these psychopaths are cut from the same cloth, specific ideology is kinda not important

what is going on with these people that they will take guns and bombs and direct them on some authority figures and some innocent people?

because they believe what they say they believe?

i think i might include the kids of columbine in this confusion i have as well. but atleast in their case they were teenagers who everyone knows are batshit crazy.

yeah well don't do that then, instead of adding to the confusion! "violence on the innocent" is too broad a category; just about anything can be put under that heading. the point is the people inside don't consider their victims to be innocent.

these adults who do this kind of thing are they just adolescents who never grew out of their desire to play "guns" and run around acting like soldiers? are they ne'er-do-wells who just bottle up all of their frustrations and failures only to erupt in plots to kill?

like i said, the very very very tiny number of people who get involved in this stuff leads me to answer: who cares? their psychology is insane to me, but it's also inevitable. there really isn't anything you can do about it. or, more to the point, all we can do as a society is exactly what we did do: keep track of them, make sure law enforcement is up on their activities, and get them as soon as they plan to do something very illegal but before they hurt anyone.

the quiddities and agonies of the reactionary militia class

i'm just curious as to whether all these militia groups have such the same cult-like quality as hutaree -- that extends into family life, suggests thedivine revelation of its leader, involves some pseudo christian mythic twin language, etc etc

goole all otm in this

yup

these dipshits are just paramilitary juggalos

My BIL's late father was a Michigan Militia member; he was ex-military and after his wife died, came out to his five sons. It has left his sons with a bit of bigotry and a reluctance to pay taxes - but could have been so much worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement

hutaree is a stupid name.

he was ex-military and after his wife died, came out to his five sons.

wait, like out of the closet? as a gay or as a militia member?

Gay. BIL still a bit freaked by The Gays as a result.

....but not by the militias? o_O

i think the fact that this movement came to prominence in the 90's (when my brain started turning on) is why i have a fascination with it. wiki says in the 90s membership in these militias is 20-60k and if we divide that by 3mil that's 2%. granted most of these militia dudes are just ex-military with beefs that the government is a front for big business, but alot of these articles quote stats of multiple hundred % increase of militia (i can't remember if it was groups or members) splc has an article about it

not 3 million, 300 million.

.02 percent.

i think this stuff grows in prominence whenever democrats are in power. and it helped that under the last administration, militarist revenge fantasies were pretty popular, officially.

these dipshits are just paramilitary juggalos

― can't think of anything (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:52 PM (32 minutes ago)

hahaha truth bomb

just paramilitary juggalos doesn't rly diminish the scariness

The militia thing is not something my BIL or his bros pursued, ever, but he is awfully entitled for someone with an associate's degree. BIL votes for Republicans and re: race throws out statements like 'you don't understand, you're not from Detroit.' My reply is 'you're from Livonia, the occasional visit to Greek Town isn't exactly a surefire way to understand Detroit.' I'm sure I've mentioned before that he's a bit of a meathead but he no longer cracks wise about Obama.

I've been pronouncing this as "hut-a-ree" (like jamboree), but part.of.me wonders if it's pronounced "huh-tar-ee" (like a corruption of hatari). Anybody.know how they've been pronouncing it on the news?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_%28organization%29

I was saying "hoo-ta-ree"

"Lily-white Livonia", as it used to be known.

Big HOOS aka the TA-REE driver.

My evil former boss lives in Livonia. It's like a hellmouth.

katamari militia?

In the 1990s, retired Phoenix cop and conspiracy enthusiast Jack McLamb created an outfit called Police Against the New World Order and produced a 75-page document entitled Operation Vampire Killer 2000: American Police Action Plan for Stopping World Government Rule.

"The current resurgence has several apparent causes. In the largest sense, it is again a response to real societal stresses and strains, from the seemingly inevitable rise of multiculturalism to the faltering economy to another liberal administration, this one headed by a black man. Similar factors have driven the number of race-based hate groups, as distinct from Patriot groups, from 602 in 2000 to 926 in 2008, according to research by the Southern Poverty Law Center."

"The current political environment is awash with seemingly absurd but nonetheless influential conspiracy theories, hyperbolic claims and demonized targets," Berlet concluded. "And this creates a milieu where violence is a likely outcome."

i'm on record on this thread saying the hutaree, specifically, are no big deal, but yeah, far-right craziness is definitely happening right now.

i really hope we can get through the summer, and the next several years, without anyone getting killed. the clinton years suggest otherwise.

what a shocker; people who feel alienated when people who look like them are in power feel even more alienated when people who don't look like them are in power

My brother & SIL live in Livonia. SIL's mom is big time into local Republican politics, SIL is working on the campaign for the GOP candidate(who happens to be one of the state AG's wanting to sure over health care).

LOL, have only been to Detroit once in my life, for a week in the '80s, and I still knew Livonia snark would ohsnap him (my host J was from Northville and was escaping people like that, going to UN etc). The BIL reprogramming also took in my reaction to him complaining about perceived gay lechery: somehow it was so much worse that these men were perving on unavailable teenage boys; I was like 'welcome to what teenage girls experience daily all over the world, and if we object we're frigid lesbians or something - now get the fuck over it.'

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Thank you, Lurch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYkQ2qlANhc

So have these guys all been sent to Guantanamo? Or they given the Non-Muslim Terrorist free pass?

this movement came to prominence in the 90's

yeah. when the right-wing can't paint a democratic president as weak and ineffectual (carter), they veer toward a "totalitarian gov't taking away our rights" narrative (clinton, obama).

guys, it just got weird

unless this is an april fools joke by the talking points memo? either way this is one of the funniest things i've ever seen in my life

It's difficult to describe the video. Think Jackass meets The Birth of a Nation.

"speak to me, dude"

man what is that crazy breakbeat metal shit at the end of the vid??

"may the mighty dildos of hell rein upon your withering carcass."

"quack quack"

it's hysterical! only in rural america does stuff get that weird

at the end, i believe it is atari teenage riot

such a traet

militias are for emotionally-stunted, angry, confused white people who need friends.

so then militias are the same as college?

i wonder if the full 20 minutes is that funny, or if it was unwatchable until tpm's own video editor got ahold of it and reedited?

what's that other song in there, social d?

oh duh it's motorhead isn't it

so then militias are the same as college?

like oral roberts university, yes.

y'know, sadly, that guy running into the scene with the duck-head sadly reminded me of the university-of-miami's mascott -- sebastian the ibis -- running out of the tunnel before football games.

we need a new mascot.

uhhhhh . . . i meant "mascot."

(in paragraph one)

i just can't get over how hilarious this is
also if some of the dudes i was friends with in high school put together an equally creepy/wrong/ridiculous movie, i wouldn't be a bit surprised. i mean you are stuck in rural nowhere, this is the kind of stuff that goes on. it's weird out there in the heartland.

it's weird out there in the heartland.

possible new screen-name.

I think I've already seen this Butthole Surfers video

holy shit

the butthole surfers have rifles and they're coming for america

actually i think that's not the militia guy at all, it's chris cooley

PURE SANITY 6 6 6 DUCK HEAD

A+ use of "Ace of Spades"

this is going to turn out to be an april fool and i am going to be heartbroken.

Sounded like Prodigy at the end, though I can totally imagine these twits being big Rammstein fans, too. Btw, we're been talking a lot about Hutaree for the past few days on the thread below, starting with the post I've permalinked to -- particularly their apparent connection with an anti-Semitic Bethlehem, PA hard rock band called Poker Face:

Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock 2010

wowwwwwww

that is definitely ATR, btw

http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/national_world&id=7367570

Andrea Harsh, ex-fiancée of David Stone, warns that their dedication to their cause is intense. "They went so far to make a big map on a room in their house of their own country and their own names of their countries and cities and stuff. It's very extensive."

"Queville"

Que York

Prosecutors report that one suspect killed his cat so he could "see if he had it in him to kill something he cared about."

well all right then

yeah that was sad ;___;

weren't these guys featured in bowling for columbine? is this the same group that produced timothy mcveigh?

The Michigan Militia was featured in "Bowling For Columbine"; those are the people currently distancing themselves as much as possible from Hutaree.

hmm maybe they should militia it out

one militia to rule them all

http://www.freep.com/article/20120329/NEWS01/203290576/Hutaree-jurors-in-for-surprise-after-acquittals?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

The ruling was hailed by defense lawyers as a major victory for free speech. They had long argued that the defendants never had any real plans to harm anyone and were merely engaged in tough talk, a protected First Amendment right.

....if you don't speak Arabic