pick your favorite wes anderson film!

rushmore, tenenbaums, and fantastic mr fox are his best. i know nothing about hotel chevalier, but i think life aquatic and darjeeling were low points for him -- just cutesy, mannered genre exercises. voted tenenbaums even though it's way too long.

Still really like Tenenbaums, but it's gotta be Rushmore. Really didn't feel the love for Fox.

still like bottle rocket the best.

have yet 2 see fox, id order them

tenenbaums
bottle rocket
hotel chevalier
rushmore
darjeeling ltd
life aquatic

i haven't seen a lot of these actually (only seen fox, darjeeling & royals) & fox & darjeeling are in my 20 fav films of the decade -- i don't really get the fuss over royals tho tbh

probaby Fantastic Mr. Fox. Everyone loves to hate on Life Aquatic since he's basically repeating himself but it's still pretty amusing all the way through, teeming with aquatic life and whatnot. love all the ocean-themed ideas he squeezed into it (pirates, jacqes couseau, jellies, man-eating sharks); more colorful even than FMF. Anjelica Huston is better here than in RT, and Bill Murray is upstaged by Willem Dafoe.

Sic transit gloria.

i really like this corny fuck. Though I despised Darjeeling.

bottle rockets (Feature) - never seen the short

I will punch anyone who votes for Hotel Chevalier.

Loved Fox, but there really is no way in hell I'm not voting Rushmore.

I will punch anyone who votes for Hotel Chevalier.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Sunday, April 4, 2010 9:57 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

i actually really like that little film, and natalie portman's ass has nothing (well, little) to do with it.

Sorry, for me it's like every criticism leveled against Wes Anderson distilled into a few insufferable minutes. Plus I'm obviously unmoved by sensitive, understated ass.

Rushmore, Tenenbaums, Darjeeling - in that order

Rushmore! I haven't seen Hotel Chevalier, Fantastic Mr. Fox, or I Think Wes Anderson's Films Are Insufferable.

tenenbaums. it might actually be fox if i'd seen it more than once, but i've loved tenenbaums for a long time. do people like bottle rocket? i've always kind of wanted to see it.

i like all of em OK, but only LOVE Rushmore and Fantastic Mr. Fox (in that order)

just watched rushmore again. wow that movie is great.

rushmore in a beat

would be v surprised if rushmore doesnt win this

wanna see the criterion disc of 'bottle rocket' cos i think i've only seen it taped of tv, but it'll still be 'rushmore'

i have soft spot for bottle rocket and will go to bat for for darjeeling ltd, but rushmore by a long, long way. probably couldn't sit through tenenbaums any more, but liked it at the time. life aquatic is just awful.

Rushmore was the only movie where I ever rolled beer cans down the aisles in protest. A friend and I had been lured in by print and television ads promising "Best comedy of 1998!" We felt that there weren't very many jokes that lived up to the "these are O.R. scrubs" exchange in the trailer. Those who had called it the best comedy of the year must have missed The Waterboy.

i liked rushmore but don't care for the others. haven't seen bottle rocket. tenenbaums i couldn't stand enough to watch more than 10 min. so i vote rushmore.

xp lolol

We felt that there weren't very many jokes that lived up to the "these are O.R. scrubs" exchange in the trailer.

well, that's true. (that line is v. funny btw: "these are o.r. scrubs." "o.r. they?") for one thing, comedy doesn't equal jokes. i think it's a really funny movie.

Bottle Rocket>Rushmore>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Darjeeling>>>>>>>>>>>The RTs
(Didn't see the others)

tenenbaums. it might actually be fox if i'd seen it more than once, but i've loved tenenbaums for a long time. do people like bottle rocket? i've always kind of wanted to see it.

― phantompenguin, Monday, 5 April 2010 04:14 (9 hours ago) Bookmark

this, and see bottle rocket immediately.

i tihnk with anderson the order you see them in is key, because his steez doesn't change much. so i was only so-so on rushmore even though it's as good as anything he's done (saw it recently) but love tenenbaums, bottle rocket (saw them a few years back, have viewed repeatedly)

darjeeling ltd isn't very good (in context of the list), haven't seen the life aquatic

don't see the life aquatic

Going out on a limb here I love both Life aquatic and Darjeeling Ltd. Although I think I love the fantasy india in the Darjeeling Ltd., the plot and its resolution are almost incidental, if not a block on my enjoyment. Voted for Zisou.

rushmore
bottle rocket
darjeeling
royal tenenbaums
fantastic mr. fox
life aquatic
shorts aren't real movies

I like all this dude's stuff

I would have voted for "I think wes anderson's films are insufferable except for Fantastic Mr Fox."

Lucky for you, you can actually vote for Fantastic Mr. Fox.

Rushmore. heaven't seen Fox and I need to watch Tenenbaums again. but yeah. Rushmore all day long.

Rushmore, Tenenbaums, Darjeeling - in that order

Then FMF.

Tenenbaums, saddest of all of them....

bottle rocket, fox, or rushmore

I will punch anyone who votes for Hotel Chevalier.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Monday, April 5, 2010 2:57 AM (14 hours ago)

So much this. Utter dogshit of the worst kind. Ruined La Portman for me too.

And fuck a Sarstedt too.

hotel chevalier was shown with 'darjeeling ltd' in the uk and it's p hard to see it as a separate entity. don't see how it's worse than the main feature, and given that is has natalie portman's arse in it, i'm minded to say it's better.

fuck this guy

Rushmore's a better movie but I voted for Bottle Rocket, Owen Wilson as Dignan is classic, he never topped that character. I liked Tenenbaums at the time but seeing it more recently I'm pretty indifferent, hated or haven't seen everything since then, seems like this guy peaked and then burned out so quickly.

thread brings out the haters.

Rushmore is still his best. Life Aquatic is a real mess but for some reason I respond to it.

voted Fox but on second thought its probably a tie between that Tenenbaums, and Darjeeling.

never understood the love for Bottle Rocket

it's funnie

well, that's true. (that line is v. funny btw: "these are o.r. scrubs." "o.r. they?") for one thing, comedy doesn't equal jokes. i think it's a really funny movie.

― by another name (amateurist), Monday, April 5, 2010 9:45 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It's like you didn't understand my post at all.

Voted Fox, but I really liked Tenenbaums when it came out. Rest of his stuff is basically dreck.

I'm pretty stoked actually. I picked up Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel for my kid the other day and it had a coupon in it for $2 off of the fox movie.

Pick your favorite Wes Anderson soundtrack would be fun though.

Last time I saw Tenenbaums, which I do love, I found myself getting angry at the sequence of the falcon wheeling over the neighborhood as Nico's 'These Days' plays. So easy. Too damn easy.

reading too easy, too damn easy in owen wilson's voice as he watches a falcon fly away to nico

wildcat. . . pow

voted for Tenebaums for stuff like this, and the friscalating dusklight

Yeah Tenenbaums is like a whole movie of easter eggs really. Still haven't seen Darjeeling (scared of suck). Super want to see Fox.

"I picked up Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel for my kid the other day"

I was kind of in the camp of Fantastic Mr Fox being inappropriate or not particularly kind offering for children but this sentence has now evicted me from that camp!

Fantastic Mr. Fox was a wonderful surprise, especially after the total suckage of Darjeeling and The Life Aquatic

Darjeeling is awesome, my favorite since RT. Still haven't watched Fox but I've heard great things...

tenenbaums was like an ad spot for " quirk "

/not for me

rushmore.

there's nothing in Fox that's remotely unfit for children...? why would there be?

uh wtf? the harcore orgy btwn badger, fox and the three farmers?

Darjeeling is awesome, my favorite since RT

there is one film between these two. lol.

wait i'm thinking of something else n/m

voted darjeeling though royal is probably better, i just liked the colors in darjeeling more.

hotel chevalier was shown with 'darjeeling ltd' in the uk

I can't conceive of them as separate, either.

where was it NOT shown w/Darjeeling Ltd? Kinda ridiculous to consider a separate thing at all really

They were shown together in the US too--at least at the theater I went to.

i think it wasn't shown with chevalier originally, chevalier was only released on Itunes. then they appended it to the film at the beginning after a month or something. might be wrong.

Surprising to me, at least judging by talk itt so far, Darjeeling is more popular than Aquatic. I guess I should nflix it.

Aquatic is kinda too much of a retread of Tenenbaums for me, with a lot of nautical-themed wallpaper thrown over it. And there are some weird lapses in tone, primarily the hijacking. Darjeeling Ltd is smaller in scope and feels more minimal/subtle with better characters/actors who basically follow a standard travelogue/Odyssey-type plot. And it captures the relatively oblivious-tourist experience of India very well imho.

"Last time I saw Tenenbaums, which I do love, I found myself getting angry at the sequence of the falcon wheeling over the neighborhood as Nico's 'These Days' plays. So easy. Too damn easy."

they play hey jude over that scene, actually, but you're right, it did seem very obvious. the song that actually has these days over it is awesome, though.

I voted Life Aquatic and really wish I will see it again a second time when someone wants to watch it with me :p

You have to be in the right mood for this one

Many people may have seen it once and disliked it because it is so long. Also the dissenters may have felt the film was too typical of Wes Anderson. Kind of makes me wish this movie came out first. Darjeeling would also fall into the category of "this is so typical of Wes Anderson" but maybe the dissenters had already stopped watching his melodramatic films all together and the "this is so typical" argument got old by the time this movie came out; furthermore Darjeeling was very much under the radar when it was released

xp. eg. Shakey comparing Aquatic to Tenebaums... had they been released in a different order...

I was surprised how much I liked Darjeeling Ltd, esp. after the relatively disappointing Life Aquatic.

xppp

"And there are some weird lapses in tone, primarily the hijacking" - Shakey

-the pirate stuff? that was so LOL for being WTF and COOL. happily hijacked the tone for me

primarily the hijacking

OMG nuh-uh.

The only thing that was disappointing about Life Aquatic for me was the animation.

yeah the animation didn't work so well for me either.

voted rushmore, but bottle rocket is the sentimental favorite. geez now i feel like i sold myself out by voting for rushmore. i used to watch bottle rocket like 2-3 times a week for a year.

is that a joke

well, that's true. (that line is v. funny btw: "these are o.r. scrubs." "o.r. they?") for one thing, comedy doesn't equal jokes. i think it's a really funny movie.
― by another name (amateurist), Monday, April 5, 2010 9:45 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
It's like you didn't understand my post at all.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, April 5, 2010 12:19 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

it's very possible. did i miss a vein of sarcasm or irony?

i agree that royal tenenbaums (and life aquatic) really overdo(es) it with the pop-song cues. it's like, give me a breather between all the lyrical moments, dude. also maybe this is my own problem but i sort of cringe at emo monochrome + elliott smith suicide moment.

and not cringe in the sense of being grossed out by the bloodshed (which is gross), just being embarrassed by how this super-emo segment is kind of dropped into the film. in general i feel like anderson is trying to push me around emotionally a lot in tenenbaums and aquatic, and not so much in the other films.

not so much in darjeeling? seriously?

maybe i just tuned that out. there is a lot of would-be emotional stuff in the flashback and in the relationship w/ the mother, i s'pose.

yeah the kinks song in Darjeeling when they were walking to the funeral (in slo mo of course) made me scream

i don't know how i feel abt that one. yeah, it's sort of cringeworthy, but it sort of works just the same.

nothing beats the montage of max's extracurricular activities scored to "making time"

XP, YES

owen wilson's bandages coming off was where i kinda tuned out a little

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ud2BywS_3U

it's very possible. did i miss a vein of sarcasm or irony?

― by another name (amateurist), Monday, April 5, 2010 8:09 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

There was a certain implication of "this incident occured way back when I was a total lunkhead and none too appreciative of more subtle humor" I guess. That may not have come through in the telling though.

It was a good time though, and I don't regret it at all. I think we were on Demerol or something at the time too. Maybe Rushmore just wasn't a Demerol movie.

there are some beautiful zooms in wes anderson movies

virtual Rushmore-Fox tie, voted Fox cuz you won't.

The tension between Anderson's choice of British Invasion favorites and his rigorous framing is one of the more puzzling, unresolved things in his work; the music is a clear victor, I think.

interesting. by tension do you mean the music has ecstatic energy and the framings try to contain that energy?

also don't you love how in the calligraphy club shot he's writing a poster for yet another club?

One of the cliches about Anderson is his control, which is certainly true aesthetically but not in the hyperemotional performances and conceptions of the characters. What bugs me much of the time is the one-dimensionality of the performances and conceptions. It reminds me a lot (of all people!) of the improv in Cassavettes films, most of which boast a schema imposed by the director: it's great when it's hitting That Note, but obnoxious when not.

not sure i follow re. one-dimensionality. certainly his films call for stylized acting, but i think in rushmore especially the characters have somewhat contradictory and complex traits by usual standards. at least max and herman.

interesting. by tension do you mean the music has ecstatic energy and the framings try to contain that energy?

Yeah, I think so. I want to write about this in greater length. Although the music serves as counterpoint -- lots of directors do this - in Anderson movies it renders the fumbling hyperemotions of his main characters more coherently than they're capable of.

not sure i follow re. one-dimensionality. certainly his films call for stylized acting, but i think in rushmore especially the characters have somewhat contradictory and complex traits by usual standards

But he mitigates this by forcing the audience to like Max. It's possible that I'm basing at least some of my theory on how badly some of his actors are cast. It's true that Max shows complex and contradictory traits, but Schwartzenbaum's annoying performance throws me out of the movie. I like it, but not for one moment did I sympathize with him in any conventional sense.

I like it = the movie

oh man, i think schwartzman owns that role. i don't really see a problem with having the audience like him. certainly we don't like many of things he does, like e.g. be an asshole to margaret yang the first few times we encounter her. although her (not entirely inexplicable, though perhaps not fully justified) affection for him is kind of another hint that he's basically a good and decent guy.

anyway this is becoming a duet so i'll bow out until someone else wants to chime in

Isn't his dad Matthew Farnsworth? That guy can carry likability across several generations.

he's so weird and cute (in an odd, harshly angled sort of way, esp in a beret) that I'd probably be attracted to him in prep school too.

Max is not a good guy. He's a teenager.

never understood the love for Bottle Rocket

― kulinary gangsta (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:18 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

it's the whole lovable losers aspect. plus future man is one of the greatest monikers ever created.

Yeah, Max is often extremely unlikable.

all of these movies appeal 2 me deeply but i like rushmore best bcuz of the new wave & the azn gf

god the azn girlfriend made me so uncomfortable

have known so many of those types irl

azn gfs?

will say that w.ands perfectionist dollmaker rococo craziness was at its all time heights w/ rt ended up composing sum p incredible images storybook conceit probably helped. also kinda the most classic corny anderson music cues even better then eliot smith wrist slashing is the valiant eagle soaring 2 the strains of hey jude ~ gr8 filmmaking

hater's gonna hate, i voted natalie portman's ass

god the azn girlfriend made me so uncomfortable

― ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why?

like I said I know too many of those types IRL and may actually be one IRL

what type is she?

overachieving azn who is pretty bland and lacks a personality/is not interesting

is sort of tolerated by everyone but nobody really likes her

:-(

The one I think I enjoyed most was Darjeeling, but I have a tough time with Anderson films. I don't know if it's an audio issue, but I always find it difficult to concentrate on the dialogue. It seems cloudy and arrhythmic or mumbled somehow.

jesus dyao you're making me feel bad with that level of self-hatred

although her (not entirely inexplicable, though perhaps not fully justified) affection for him is kind of another hint that he's basically a good and decent guy.

well, that and wes's racist exoticism fetish HEYO

haha nhex I guess I've just spent so much of my life trying to define myself against that 'type' that I'm just really sensitive about it I dunno

The actress who played her is now an M.D.

Which I hope everyone here will take with a goodnatured LOL given the current discussion of stereotypes.

She is currently in the Internal Medicine Residency program at the University of Chicago.

some people on this thread would like to get internal with her amirite

i bet she's still boring and unpopular though

well, that and wes's racist exoticism fetish HEYO

i don't know that i should just let this sit there. please explain. and explain how it relates to this particular character. would you rather he have just cast a scottish girl to be max's love interest?

i think we can all agree wes anderson is generally pretty racist

yeah tbh any director whose indie pretentions occasionally exceed their grasp is a massive bigot

what?

jeez, i feel like it's 2002 all over again.

i'm just wondering if there's any way that anderson could have made the girlfriend asian and NOT have to contend with you corny indie fuxors complaining of racism.

bigger jugs?

(christ then i wonder where i get 12 suggest bans from)

haha yeah, make her more attractive for one thing

more like inez, the ingenuous cleaning lady

i.e. whiter

draw more pictures of margaret yang on a horse

lol i wasn't complaining of racism, pretty sure caek wasn't either

use the power of computers to make the next film only star kumar in a variety of fun and quirky costumes

lol

"Sure, it's tempting to imagine belonging to another culture but I'm comfortable with the status my ethnicity and birth provides" , confides Anderson, the briefest hint of a smile visible as he discusses his new Renoir by way of Satyajit Ray neocolonial chamber piece in the opulent surroundings of a Chennai Gentleman's Club. "There are times growing up when I'd have to pretend that kind of privileged Northern European cultural background embarassed me, when we'd have to visit these impoverished Hispanic districts or whatever. But really I didn't give a fuck. They were savages."

lol

context for that? cos he obviously never said that.

A+

this is a special genre of fanfic where we make believe liberal slebs are actually awful reactionaries in order to prolong ilx threads.

oh, i've been engaging in a form of that activity for years in anything to do with uk media/politics.

ps maddy had it coming

lhttp://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Emoticons/Odd%20Different/watchingu.gifhttp://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Emoticons/Odd%20Different/watchingu.gifk for maddy

"There are times growing up when I'd have to pretend that kind of privileged Northern European cultural background embarassed me, when we'd have to visit these impoverished Hispanic districts or whatever. But really I didn't give a fuck. They were savages."

Gold.

Nakhchivan = genius.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

and the results are... entirely unsurprising

on second thought, i'm surprised life aquatic did as well as it did. not surprised, although disappointment, at the poor showing for darjeeling limited.

so what was your secret reason for doing this?

amateurist high school drama club will perform a slightly altered version of the winning film at the end of the spring semester

also lol @ rushmore getting 51 votes

perhaps the Tenenbaum haters/Fox lovers are indeed a small shouty minority

my secret reason was... i wanted to know what folks' favorite wes anderson film was.

Just saw Rushmore again last night. Not sure how much I liked it. But I quite liked it.

Anyway what surprised me was discovering, or rediscovering, Thomson's entry on WA in the 2003 (?) biographical dictionary where he says watch this space, he may do something interesting.

What a strange misjudgement - for if you thought WA interesting enough to include at all, then you'd have to accept that the first 3 or so films were already worth discussing; and if you didn't like them, then there was little reason to think he'd improve.

rushmore by a mile for me, then bottle rocket - flush everything else down the toilet

rushmore came out when i was 13 and really confounded me for a few years, i felt overloaded with irony and i had no idea what i was supposed to think of it, and as a consequence it sorta made me mad - by the time tenenbaums came along my friend had convinced me that WA was mostly sincere and i found it easier to take him at face value by then

never understood the love for Bottle Rocket

― kulinary gangsta (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 5, 2010 1:18 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark

its funny with likable characters - its also almost impossible to imagine him filming something like this again, it has such a Texas feel to it and isn't plagued by his obsession w/making color schemes the star of the movie

tenenbaums is probably the height of the kind of thing he wants to accomplish, but its almost just... too much for me. it's great when you're 17 though

i think life aquatic is his only truly loathesome, worthless movie - darjeeling was actually better than i expected, but still nothing i think back on fondly

highlights of his career: "O.R. they" and the scene from Rushmore where bill murray wanders onto a basketball court and blocks a little kid's shot

i think life aquatic is his only truly loathesome, worthless movie - darjeeling was actually better than i expected, but still nothing i think back on fondly

totally.

the other highlight is of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKTkcq_xh4

I'm not a big Anderson fan, Life Aquatic is the only one I really like! I want to be part of Steve Zissou's crew and swim with luminous stop motion fishes.

I swore off this guy forever since seeing Darjeeling Unlimited...for some reason the idea that one character would lose a shoe and spent the rest of the movie with just one shoe on is just the ultimate Wes Anderson in-a-nutshell moment in a movie full of insufferable moments

have you ever been shoe shopping in India

I think a part of the aesthetic of Life Aquatic (and lots of Wes stuff) is loathsomeness - hence Bill Murray's being the bastard father. Another part of the movie is shit luck. All the sadness is half of what makes that movie really good imo. Hence the initial opera hall scene where Murray basically receives no applause and his commitment to something as personal as revenge is also met with deft ears. It's all this stuff that makes the movie great. No one cares that he is finally using his heart - he keeps on truckin' and wearing his heart in the face of shit luck, and eventually he might get a little bit of recognition for it but recognition doesn't even matter at all by the end of the movie.

ug, I didn't edit that for spelling/clarity.

I mean it's just a stupid thing to write into a movie; like I swear this is all leading up to the ultimate Wes Anderson movie where the main character wears a bear hat and carries around chopsticks and starts every conversation with a line from a chorus of a song from whichever Hollies album cover art matches the shirt of the person hes talking to, with the climatic final scene being him trying to hail a cab in slow motion while The Jam plays "English Rose"; the taxi driver is Bill Murray with a lion hat, who just looks at him and shakes his head while passing him by; then he is approached by a little Mexican kid selling Chiclets and handcrafted wooden turtles; the chopsticks fall slowly to the ground...end of movie

yeah but you need a main character to die for some climatic effect

sounds great! pitch it to the Weinsteins

Mark Mothersbaugh's chamber orchestra bits in these films are the real star.

Trailer for Moonrise Kingdom is out

Of all the Wes Anderson movies in the world, this one might be the most Wes Andersonish.

Didn't start a separate thread for this as I'm kinda "enh" on this.

There must be some mistake. There are no Kinks or David Bowie songs in the trailer. Obviously, this is the work of an imposter.

random wes anderson movie generator

Looks good to me!

In a statement, Cannes artistic director Thierry Fremaux announced that "Wes Anderson is one of the rising powers of American cinema, to which he brings a highly personal touch, particularly in 'Moonrise Kingdom,' which once again is a testimony to the creative freedom in which he continues to evolve. Sensitive and independent, this admirer of Fellini and Renoir is also in his own right a brilliant and inventive filmmaker."

he is tbh

uber-fan Richard Brody weighs in on Wes' recent commercials

i wish he would do a spy movie or a heist movie or hard sci fi or something

lol hard sci fi

i can see a wes anderson spy movie tbh

Rushmore is still underrated by some. Beautiful, touching, inspired comedic filmmaking.

It's his only film that I really love.

I can't see that he'll ever top it, the writing partnership with Owen Wilson was never better - I still really like all of his films to various degrees, but there's something completely indelible about Rushmore. Truest characters in his career helps.

touched to find this thread wasn't trolled to death tbh

maybe it isn't too late.

i rewatched 'the royal tennenbaums' at a midnight screening this summer and it was so so so so *barfs*

wd not have guessed there was a ref to Bogdanovich's Daisy Miller in Rushmore. (per dvd commentary)

only thing I remember from that commentary was them pointing out the Barry Lyndon reference which I never would have got.

Murray even points out the Lyndon thing in his Charlie Rose interview on the disc.

Maybe that's where I remember that from.

what Barry Lyndon ref

I didnt hear that, just 10 mins of commentary.

Only two I'd rank:

Fantastic Mr Fox
Rushmore

the rest reek in some way

no, the rest are good in some way, still havent seen MK goddammit

The shot of Olivia Williams walking up to Bill Murray during the vietnam play intermission is lifted straight from BL xposts

Another lift (and all I remember from checking out the commentary once nearly 9 years ago): The scene were Max is on the payphone and the school cop hangs up for him was taken from Wiseman's High School.

Murray, Angela Lansbury join next cast

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/bill-murray-and-angela-lansbury-join-cast-of-the-grand-budapest-hotel/9683

http://www.amazon.com/Anderson-Collection-Matt-Zoller-Seitz/dp/081099741X/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OnsXlxYiH6c

errrr make that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnsXlxYiH6c

tenenbaums ftw. i also love the life aquatic. for the longest time i would say that anderson was my favorite filmmaker and something about his Romanticism -- the fact that most of his films concern, in one way or another, the conflict between the individual's idiosyncratic vision of reality and reality itself, the sort of classic quixotic conflict that is a source of both tragedy and comedy -- still speaks to me a great deal.

Good Godfather II joke in that clip above.

if i housesat for wes anderson i would barf somewhere secret

tenenbaums is really the only one i'm inclined to want to see again nowadays. i haven't seen the recent ones (fox, moonrise, etc.). rushmore didn't hold up, imo. life aquatic did nothing for me. darjeeling has some wonderful parts but doesn't ultimately deliver, though it seems like a more modest film than some of the others so i appreciate it more.

see fox

possibly his best imho

love love love 'fantastic mr fox' and still really like 'rushmore.' liked 'tenenbaums' at the time but in retrospect it feels like the point where anderson started making films that were basically collages of his favorite things (salinger, 'eloise,' etc etc).

FMF sucks cause fox is slick instead of smart. it is beautifully made, though. i liked the wolf.

FMF is slipping into the 'now overrated' category for me

i could spend the rest of my life never seeing another nouvelle vague homage and die reasonably happy

(referring to execrable ad posted above)

on the Seitz book and the non-manic non-pixie dream girl:

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/10/03/2723821/the-wes-anderson-collection-and-andersons-answer-to-the-manic-pixie-dream-girl/

This happening the week that book comes out is the ending of something. RIP Mr. LittleJeans

http://www.avclub.com/articles/rip-kumar-pallana-star-of-several-wes-anderson-mov,104109/

man bottle rocket crazy underrated in these results

a shame about kumar pallana. he was excellent in another earth last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG0IhsRxEWk

very sad.

reading the book now. wonderfully put together.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2011/09/29/hugo_chavez_caption_contest/Grand_Budapest_hotel_poster.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

great cast

I kinda wish he would make a sci-fi film. but then I wish this about most directors I like.

i wish he would do a spy movie or a heist movie or hard sci fi or something

― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, March 12, 2012 2:29 AM (1 year ago)

he should get to do the next batman or ninja turtles movie

bottle rocket is sort of a heist movie

new one written by wes with no collaborators - is that a first?

bottle rocket crazy underrated in these results

That there are 12 people who think that's the best he's ever done is sad, sad, SAD.

bottle rocket is sort of a heist movie

I remember when it came out, it definitely was marketed as a loser/thief 90s crime/comedy.

yeah it's almost like a parody of Tarantino or Boondock Saints or something

he should do a parody of Bourne or Oceans 11 or something

isn't that Fantastic Mr. Fox

i actually don't really like 'bottle rocket' all that much -- there are a few nice scenes but overall it feels pretty insubstantial.

yeah it's weak sauce imho

New video essays on the films by MZ Seitz here:

http://www.rogerebert.com/mzs/the-wes-anderson-collection-chapters-1-7-and-the-substance-of-style-chapters-1-5

trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fg5iWmQjwk

cautiously optimistic!

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2013/11/updated_barber_rushmore.php

:(

was thinking of creating a lol poll for Best Wes Anderson Music + Slow Mo Scene

definitely the shaving scene

dunno i think the "These Days" or "Everyone" from RT could trump it.

Or Max getting off the service elevator and parking his gum to "A Quick One While He's Away".

Also, this is happening: http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/11/20/i-saved-latin-wes-anderson-tribute-cd/

Or Max getting off the service elevator and parking his gum to "A Quick One While He's Away".

― Maintenance Engineer of Foolhardiness (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:12 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

It's this one

yeah that one. I also liked the scene in Life Aquatic with Bowie's "Queen Bitch" but definitely felt a sense of "oh yeah, this trick again"

so should we do this poll, can I get a list (I don't wanna omit anything and it's been awhile since I've seen a few of these)

Mr. Fox is the only film he doesn't do this trick in

also, perhaps coincidentally, his best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRGqeHIItY8

lol I knew someone must have done that

wouldn't have thought of it before I watched that reel but the "ooh la la" shot at the end of rushmore is solid

"quick one" still better tho

please do this poll!

I'm worried I'm going to omit something

can people help me fill in the blanks here/what's missing?

Bottle Rocket: Dignan goes to jail to ...
Rushmore #1: Max Fischer and his bees step out of an elevator to The Who's "A QUick One"
Rushmore #2: Max receives accolades after the debut of his play to ...
Rushmore #3: Everyone dances to the Faces "Ooh La La"
Royal Tenenbaums #1: Margot steps off the bus to Nico's "These Days"
Royal Tenenbaums #2: The family leaves Royle's grave to Van Morrison's "Everyone"
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou: The crew attends a film premiere to David Bowie's "Queen Bitch"
The Darjeeling Limited #1: The brothers attend a funeral to The Kinks' "Strangers"
The Darjeeling Limited #2: The brothers race for a train to The Kinks "This Time Tomorrow" (I think?)
Moonrise Kingdom ...?

somehow I don't think either of these will be in the running

Dignan goes to jail to ... Mark Mothersbaugh - Highway Reprised
Max receives accolades after the debut of his play to ... Zoot Sims - Blinuet

I think there is another Life Aquatic slow-mo + David Bowie shot on the sub but I can't find a clip or a reference that specifies which song it is

hmm I guess that scene is not in slow-mo actually

The way that interiors refract psychology links Anderson’s shooting style to that of Max Ophüls, whose The Earrings of Madame de . . . (1953) Anderson calls “a perfect film” (http://www.criterion. com/explore/115-wes-anderson). The Ophülsian tracking shot marks key moments in Anderson’s movies, including the opening of Moonrise Kingdom, in which the rooms of Suzy’s house are revealed as a series of intricately connected spaces and through which the pleasure of artifice asserts its domain. This effect also recapitulates the movement of Anderson’s camera through the rooms of the house in The Royal Tenenbaums, the ship in The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, and the train in The Darjeeling Limited. When Sam presents his lover with a homemade pair of earrings fashioned out of insects skewered on fishhooks, Ophüls’s earrings might spring to mind by way of comic inversion. In Bottle Rocket, Dignan steals the earrings of Anthony’s mother in a practice burglary, whearas the escalating conflict between Max Fischer (Jason Schwartzman) and Herman Blume (Murray) in Rushmore (1998) might seem like a joke at the expense of the (far more deadly) duel between a younger and older man over a love affair in Ophüls’s Liebelei (1933). Unlike Ophüls, Anderson studiously avoids overtly unhappy endings, yet he injects a liberal measure of Ophülsian rue into his comedy. Just as The Royal Tenenbaums runs the gamut from infidelity, drug addiction, career failure, attempted suicide, and quasi-incest, Moonrise Kingdom is replete with jokes about loveless marriages, foster care, self-harm, and uncaring parents. Many proponents and detractors of Moonrise Kingdom agree on the point that the movie is not ambitious, whether its “escapist fantasy” (Washington Post) is viewed as a plus or instead as a string of puerile “adolescent fantasies” (New York Observer). Other critics, however, such as Spectrum Culture reviewer Trevor Link, are better equipped to see that the strange “cognitive dissonance” of Anderson’s productions involves the startling degree of “pain and sadness that pools underneath the surface” of nostalgic fables (http://spectrumculture.com/2012/ 05/moonrise-kingdom.html/).

http://www.filmquarterly.org/2014/01/unsafe-houses-moonrise-kingdom-and-wes-andersons-conflicted-comedies-of-escape/

the article from which that derives must be completely tedious.

Wes Anderson has announced his intentions to collaborate with Devo co-founder and composer Mark Mothersbaugh on their own theme park.

"I hope to soon secure the means to commission the construction of an important and sizeable theme park to be conceived and designed entirely by Mark Mothersbaugh," Anderson writes in the foreword to Mark Mothersbaugh: Myopia. "For 40 years he has set about creating a body of work which amounts to his own Magic Kingdom, where the visitor is amused and frightened, often simultaneously."

http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/22405/1/wes-anderson-wants-to-build-his-own-theme-park

i like both of these guys but this sounds like my worst nightmare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeopJiWnkFI

I don't like Wes Anderson. I want to make that absolutely clear.

damn we need do this poll again.

no

I dunno, Moonrise Kingdom and whatever the fuck that last one was called, The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain or something, were the closest he's come to the level of Rushmore (despite the lack of Who songs).

and Foxy

Recently took a trip to Austin. Was looking to cut the drive a bit and booked a hotel along the way. Picked the Days Inn in Hillsboro, Texas. Found out after the fact it was the hotel prominently featured in Bottle Rock. It was cool and remains largely unchanged all these years later. It inspired a re-watch of the movie, since I haven't seen it in probably 15 years or more. It was cool to see the hotel, including the very room we stayed in, on screen. And the empty field behind the hotel and pool is still an empty field. And the movie has it's cool bits, but it has not aged well at all. A lot about it really bugged me. Anthony's behavior when stalking Inez is pretty unacceptable. Very creepy, and no amount of Wes Anderson soundtrack music could offset that vibe for me. And really the whole thing is basically White Privilege: The Motion Picture. I guess Dignan gets a stint in the slammer at the end, which kinda offsets the no-consequences-for-the-rich-boys thing. And what was the big reveal there at the end, that Dignan admits he, at some point, had spent time in a real nuthouse? It's a very frustrating movie. Rushmore and the rest are miles ahead after this one.

Yup

For awhile there, for every move Anthony made on Inez my wife and I were yelling "That is not OK!"

my god

Did He forsake you too?! Compelling.

Not sure if this has been posted or not--too many Wes Anderson and/or political threads to check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2nP-hci-AQ&app=desktop

Not great, but pretty good--better than The Grand Budapest Hotel. I love the Bobby Jindal chapter.

ok yeah I lol'd @ Jindal entrance

I've not seen Bottle Rocket or The Isle of Dogs, but of the rest, this matches my own ranking exactly, except I'd swap #4 and #5

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/mar/23/the-best-wes-anderson-movies-ranked

Bottle Rocket is way too low

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lovestruck-hero-or-creepy-harasser-suddenly-were-seeing-our-favorite-rom-coms-in-a-new-light/2018/02/27/1d3d85d2-06a8-11e8-94e8-e8b8600ade23_story.html

ctrl-f "bottle rocket"

None unreservedly, and not in order without complete revisitation, but I like Darjeeling, Moonrise, Tenenbaums and maybe Bottle Rocket more than Budapest, Fox, or Rushmore. I haven't paid much attention to Chevalier or Zissou.

Incidentally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Zissou_(jurist)

ctrl-f "bottle rocket"

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, March 23, 2018 9:14 AM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i did and nothing happened

oh no wait now i get it

Darjeeling was probably the most bored I've ever been in a movie theater. it felt like a spot-on parody of a Wes Anderson film, just without any humor

"look at these assholes" was a peak Wes Anderson moment but otherwise the film wasn't top shelf. though i liked it tbh.

http://lwlies.com/articles/the-darjeeling-limited-wes-anderson-best-film/

I can't go thee.

going w/ the site name

The Darjeeling Limited is the best! I know it gets a lot of stick for cultural appropriation but it’s all framed in a ‘look at these idiots!’ kind of way, epitomised in the shoe-being-stolen prank. I think it’s a wonderfully poignant film about parental neglect and what it means to be symbolically orphaned. And about all kinds of loss really.

The performances, especially by Wilson and Brody, feel blisteringly personal, and the context of what was going on for Owen Wilson at the time only adds to this: http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1658495,00.html

It’s also really funny.

I'm glad to see ILX consensus around every film ever released by Wes Anderson.

nobody talked about moonrise at all on this thread. maybe there is another thread where people talk about it.

yeah I love darjeeling, but maybe only because of the color palette

the only recent ones i’ve liked are Moonrise Kingdom & Grand Budapest Hotel.
I can’t explain why but all the promos for Isle of Dogs have repelled me. But I wasn’t into Fantastic Mr Fox either

These are OR scrubs.

O R they?

Rushmore
Fantastic Mr. Fox
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Moonrise Kingdom
Bottle Rocket
The Darjeeling Limited
The Royal Tenenbaums
... and then I can't stand Hotel Chevalier

Still haven't seen Steve Zissou

wow i completely agree with tt actually, i found darjeeling v touching at the time but all of the critiques of it made
me feel like i was remembering it wrong or even had interpreted it incorrectly when i saw it

I think in some ways (especially visually) it’s the most superficially Wes andersony of his movies, but for all its flaws it’s the one where the characters are most recognisably human (rather than marionettes). It’s definitely not his worst.

Yeah, it's only the worst among the films he's made.

Rushmore
Fantastic Mr. Fox
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Moonrise Kingdom
Bottle Rocket
The Darjeeling Limited
The Royal Tenenbaums
... and then I can't stand Hotel Chevalier

This looks right, and it's the order I'd agree with most. He's only made three watchable movies, though (your top three), and I've no interest in watching them again (not necessarily a sin).

TBH, I don't really want to watch any of them beyond the top 4 again.

Zissou is probably widely regarded as the worst Wes Anderson film and maybe people are right, but I thought it was very good.

End of Zissou might be the best thing he's ever done.

Love Zissou, though it took a second viewing to bring me around. Initially kind of hated it. No such luck with Darjeeling.

Rushmore
The Royal Tenenbaums
The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou
Fantastic Mr. Fox
Moonrise Kingdom (Maine summer camp nostalgia elevates this one considerably)
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Bottle Rocket
The Darjeeling Limited

I don't think Anderson's strange, dry humor translated well with Fantastic Mr. Fox. I have no hope for The Isle of Dogs (especially after watching the first long preview). I really enjoy most of his other work though.

Dahl's sensibility and Anderson's were a good mesh.

Anderson excels when you have quirky things in the real world like the treehouse in Moonrise Kingdom. Take away the real world, aka talking animated animals, the quirky stuff hardly works.

I'll watch Isle of Dogs anyway because maybe Mr. Fox is a fluke.

I don't think Anderson's sensibility translated very well through the voices of Clooney or Streep. Also, I've never been particularly a fan of Roald Dahl. Or animation. I have higher hopes for this one (despite not being a dog person).

I happened upon Fantastic Mr. Fox once while scrolling through channels in a hotel. I had no idea what it was - I completely forgot that he'd done an animated film. I thought it was some low-budget independent film and I enjoyed it a lot (at least, the 20 minutes I saw). Eventually I was like, "wait, some of these voices sound familiar.."

I don't think Anderson's FMF had much to do with Dahl's sensibility at all

It really doesn't, also it is great

it's amazing imo, probably my favourite

Yeah I couldnt get with Anderson’s Fantastic Mr Fox. It was like watching a stop-motion Curb Your Enthusiasm episode or something, the humor felt very dry & adult & not my bag at all

Plus I grew up with the book as a kid, i think that affected my expectations a lot

even the trailer for Isle of Dogs is deathly boring.

poster! trailer tom'w

https://news.avclub.com/lets-unpack-this-whimsical-detailed-poster-for-wes-and-1841599631

Some more. Warily optimistic--he's been steadily losing me for years.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-look-at-wes-andersons-new-new-yorker-inspired-film

The French Dispatch of the Liberty, Kansas Evening Sun
A film by Wes Anderson
In Theaters July #TheFrenchDispatch pic.twitter.com/RRDhZLHO7c

— The French Dispatch (@french_dispatch) February 12, 2020

Needs a bigger cast, more names.

this should be a glorious mess

At this stage there are a group of pretty people that enjoy working in movies with large casts about vague big stuff, and if it's not this then it's a Woody Allen movie, so good news, it's this.

interesting to see how anderson reacts to knives out being a fresher wes anderson movie

all his films are good and this one will be too

(i will larf non-stop and so will dr vick, not that i've actually watched a movie with her for years now)

mark s otm

quite obviously this looks amazing

Grand Budapest managed to show in Tupelo for a week, maybe 2; this looks like something the local cinema managers will run like hell from, and I'll have to go see it in Memphis/Bham/ATL.

looks good

first time he's used Lois Smith and Henry Winkler?

Spoiler: At the end of The French Dispatch they get bought by a couple of Trump guys from Queens who lay off everyone without severance, bring in their “own people” and nuke the online archives.

— Matt Prigge (@mattprigge) February 12, 2020

pretty

I thought Rushmore would have its own thread (it does, sort of). I've been posting a series of Zoomcasts on music in movies: we did one on Rushmore a couple of weeks ago.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcFSIvRe-Bk

I've been revisiting some of his films this past week. I still like The Life Aquatic more than most folks on here, but was struck by how heavy handed the foreshadowing is. It can kind of be read as a comedic move, but then the film shifts into full on tragic mode.

Rushmore soundtrack is so good. CD was in constant rotation in my car for a long time. I think I heard it before I had seen the movie and didn't know what I was listening to, which made it all the sweeter. I love the Mothersbaugh pieces as much as the songs selected.

👌

Watched The French Dispatch, it convinced me Wes Anderson has crossed over decisively from what was previously possible to condone as "apolitical world of winking whiteness & poignant quirkiness" into a fascoid trivializing of struggle and active investment in the carceral state.

— Sophie Lewis (@reproutopia) April 30, 2022

Interesting. I felt it and GRAND BUDAPEST actually seem to be directly critiquing fascism and the police state, particularly given both films view those institutions as inherently violent from the perspective of POC characters who feel powerless and yet must continue to live.

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) May 1, 2022

We've moved a long way from "Twee or Not".

I dunno about "fascoid" but yes on trivializing of struggle and active investment in TFD.

We made a #StarWars trailer in the style of #wesanderson hope you guys enjoy it! pic.twitter.com/DP5rBxmTOI

— Curious Refuge (@CuriousRefuge) April 29, 2023

Don't know if this has been posted in another Wes Anderson thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TqDvAJXVRI

I suppose he'd view that as a a compliment, but it could also be seen as something that might give you pause.

why late at night does ilx get all wessed out

lol at the idea of any ILX poll getting 133 votes anymore.

I watched Asteroid City about a week ago and have been thinking about the similarity btw WA and David Lynch, in the ways they both investigate how people react to and survive stress and trauma. Augie's inability to tell his kids their mother has died...Richie pining for Margot and attempting suicide...emotional shutdown and blank affect all over the WA filmography. Versus Lynch's characters creating whole worlds to inhabit where they don't have to face what's been done to them or what they've done.

My wife has playfully/seriously accused me for decades of hating whimsy, so my love of WA's movies and surface stylizations never made sense to her. But seeing his and Lynch's work as two facets on the same gem helped me explain it to her in a way that got her off my back at least temporarily seemed to make sense. I have more thinking to do about this. I assume All the Major Film Critics have already made this point but I was out that day.

Going to a matinee of this today. Did ILX never talk about this movie?

There's a whole thread on it--you still have time to pick another movie.

Wes Anderson's Asteroid City (2023)

Look the picks are between this, sound of freedom, Oppenheimer (again), Barbie, strays, about my father, and gran turismo. Not exactly spoiled for choice for the Monday matinee

Barbie is definitely better than this, but this is a fine Wes Anderson film

Barbie is more unique than this, I wouldn't say better.

My gosh -- I remember reading this and think it will be my favorite: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/27/movies/wes-anderson-roald-dahl-wonderful-story-henry-sugar.html

I just learned that Mason Gamble, who played Dirk in "Rushmore" (and "Dennis the Menace"), used to live a few blocks from me. I guess he gave up acting a while ago and started work on an environmental science PhD at UCLA. Good for him.

i like that his eureka moment was to have narration for a fairy tale. he must have been watching lemony snicket on netflix at the time.

unwatchable because of the narration. like listening to someone else's audiobook at 1.75x.

i finished it because it's only 30 minutes but i don't think i could have lasted an hour.

I haven't seen any of them since Fantastic Mr. Fox and I hated Life Aquatic, which of the recent ones is worth trying?

Grand Budapest Hotel is my fav but if you hate Life Aquatic it might not bode well

Moonrise Kingdom and Grand Budapest are my favorites.

Moonrise, Grand Budapest, and Asteroid City are all great. Skip French Dispatch.

Astreroid City is so good
I love Grand Budapest Hotel too

I like all the post-Fox live-actions but Moonrise is the one to go with

Grand Budapest Hotel is my fav but if you hate Life Aquatic it might not bode well

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, February 10, 2024 8:02 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I dislike Life Aquatic, love Grand Budapest Hotel.

Another GBH vote here

Trailer for the new one is out. Once again I thought, "this is the most Wes Anderson thing ever." But then I remembered how much I liked "Asteroid City" (even if I can't remember why) and conceded, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEuMnPl2WI4

Asteroid City was fun

tbh i haven't been interested since Life Aquatic, so i haven't seen anything he's done in 20 years. but for some reason this appeals to me

I couldn't get into Asteroid City, but this looks silly enough to be enjoyable

Oh sure i’ll see it

I've become an enthusiast ever since Grand Budapest Hotel became part of my film class -- despite his annoyances.

Between this and the new PTA--Are we just not doing new threads for these new films? (I mean, I could start them, but I've been--and am--busy)

Yes, please, start one.

I've been rewatching his films and Rushmore and Tennenbaums both suffer from an excess of music cues imo. Of course he never stopped w/ the needledrops but he grew more skilled at integrating them into the feel of the film, making them enhance scenes instead of distracting from them.

I'll admit "oh yeah what's THAT song again" is not a reaction everyone will have and so this failing won't register for many but...I am on ILX, guessing everyone here does do that.

New Thread: The Phoenician Scheme: Wes Anderson's Smoking New Joint w/del Toro & A Cast of Thousands!

There It Is: https://www.criterion.com/boxsets/8208-the-wes-anderson-archive-ten-films-twenty-five-years

20 Discs/$500 MSRP

Which actually does price out to the equivalent of 10 Criterion 4K releases.

for $250 during one of the 50% off sales, that's a good buy. I've got all his stuff on DVD and never got a blu-ray because I couldn't decide where to start. sad it lacks Asteroid City though, would rather have that than Isle of Dogs...