Uk General Election 2010: The Results Thread

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Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:57 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Neill is apparently on top of The London Eye.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)

Or here we put head in hands!

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Neil is the worst

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)

BBC or ITV?

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)

enjoying this high intensity music. hope it's on all night.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)

Watching 2010 Vine at the same time as 2008 Nadir Of All Television Cowboy Vine. Fuck you; I only watch double election coverage.

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)

itv?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)

hung parliament

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)

HUNG PARLIAMENT O SHI

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)

Exit Poll: Hung Parliament

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)

LD 59, damn son

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems lose seats???

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)

Disaster for the libs?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)

hung parliament + LDs have a bad night

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)

i know this is an exit poll, but can i just lol at 538 predicting 120 LD seats or whatever it was

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)

This is what happens when you make an election about whether or not the public wants a Conservative government rather than whether they want to be led by Lab or LD.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)

255+59 = working coalition btw

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)

I don't believe that - I think the Tories will get there, based on that

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)

Exit polls sounds likes bollocks really dunnit? Don't think their model was up to it (he said hopefully).

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)

29 is what, 5 plaid cymru and 7 snp, 3 sdlp + the conservative regional parties

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)

whose model? the exit poll model?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

sunderland south = banter

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

307 + 8 Ulster Unionists = 315. 255 + 59 = 314. Fuck.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

314 + 7 SNP + 5 plaid cymru + 3 SDLP

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

or whatever it is

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

basically this is about as hung as parliaments get, if this is what happens

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

^^^ uh huh

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

This could be very interesing...

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

Michael Gove looks like something from a 1950s schoolboy comic. Or that picture of Don Knotts Enid draws in Ghost World.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

these two already dropping coalition bargaining point hints

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:07 (fifteen years ago)

it's 7 SNP + 3 plaid cymru + 3 SDLP by the way, or it was. 8 DUP.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:07 (fifteen years ago)

Comes down to the Nats and the crazies then

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)

did anyone predict that the Lib Dems would lose seats?! puts them in a pretty poor bargaining position if true. Ooh here's Vince Cable

p-dog, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)

314 + 7 SNP + 5 plaid cymru + 3 SDLP
― caek, Thursday, May 6, 2010 9:04 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the human centipede

manish pseud (cozen), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

exit polls have historically been pretty good, but a significant third party complicates things i guess. cable is saying they don't count postal votes too, and postal voting dorks like me skew lib dem.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

lolool xp

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

Cable seems shook

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

Fuck off mackem indie box carriers

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)

did greens get brighton in the exit poll?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)

Also buts Clegg in a bad position especially if it is the lefty wing of the LDs that dominates the new mix

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)

Greens unlikely to figure in the exit poll

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)

which others, vine you cunt?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)

exit poll targets ~110 marginal seats

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)

including brigton pavilion and norwich

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:11 (fifteen years ago)

they are in the poll

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:11 (fifteen years ago)

but the bbc aren't reporting how the others breakdown, which is kind of retarded given how important the others may be

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:11 (fifteen years ago)

wouldn't be good psephology to make a prediction one seat in Brighton on a small sample in one ward in brighton?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)

Here's lovely radiant Sophie Raworth.

I'd be stunned if the Greens didn't take Brighton Pavilion, considering how the narrative has been going for them.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)

exit polls work like this: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2689

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)

This Sunderland footage is how I imagine lj running his 90s albums poll

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)

ah, so they only hit one ward per marginal?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)

Those 29 Other seats are the most important of the lot just now.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)

BTW I'm in the US and can watch live BBC coverage at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/06/uk-election-results-2010-live

Not the real Village People, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)

can you make a good statistical prediction on brighton on n=130, it's shaky enough predicting swing on the n=16500 for the whole country.

It seems to be one ward or polling station per marginal, yes

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)

This Sunderland footage is how I imagine lj running his 90s albums poll

ahahahahahahaha

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)

What the fuck has happened to Marr's chin

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)

blimey

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/05/seven-reasons-to-be-wary-of-the-exit-poll-tonight/

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

can you make a good statistical prediction on brighton on n=130, it's shaky enough predicting swing on the n=16500 for the whole country.

no, but surely they mostly ignore the other constituencies to predict a result in one constituency (unless you really only hit one polling station per constituency)

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

kirsty wark kicking it ~200 yards from my house

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

didn't realise you were a posh deedaa

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)

Or to put it another way:
http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/files/2010/05/exit-poll-equation.jpg
xp

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)

where's that american dude from essex university? as much as i love mandelson, i want his thoughts.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)

where is that? Eccleshall?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

didn't realise you were a posh deedaa

― problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, May 6, 2010 10:19 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, we have hedges and trees and a conservative mp until 1997 and everything.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

yah

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

538 are saying that if this exit poll is based on uniform swing then it implies a vote share of Conservatives 38.5, Labour 29.3, LibDems 23.3. In their model, that's a Tory maj.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

paxman being gratuitously combative for 10.20pm

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)

Mandelson looks like a man who has hung some chads today.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)

you know what would be a glimmer of hope tonight? Chesterfield going red again, it could happen.....

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)

Mandelson pwning May

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)

Can I second the call for the US professor from Essex - he's a righteous dude

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)

BALANCED AND NUANCED.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)

what the fuck is wrong with paxman?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)

Davey looks shell-shocked, have they really just skyed it over the bar from 5 yards?

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:23 (fifteen years ago)

paxman on too much coffee i fear

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:23 (fifteen years ago)

"you might just consider getting into bed with Peter Mandelson" GENIUS

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:23 (fifteen years ago)

what the fuck is wrong with paxman?
a) this is what he does
b) they've got to fill time until some real results come in

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

Ugh, I can't stand this :(

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

2220: There appears to be some confusion about whether the polls will remain open after 10pm. The BBC has taken calls from voters in the Penistone and Stocksbridge constituency in South Yorkshire who have been told by officials at their polling station that if they had not voted by 10pm the doors would close. This contrasts with those in queues elsewhere who had been told as long as they were queuing by 10pm, their vote would count.

^ that shit ain't right

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

he's not usually like this though

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

Whoa, Mandy: "FPTP is on its last legs".

Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

Graun said that the rule is as long as your ballot paper has been issued by 10pm.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)

xp, he said the same thing this morning, and it's in the labour manifesto

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)

Ooh, look at that giant touch screen.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:26 (fifteen years ago)

xp but yeah, the big guys have been mentioning it increasing prominently over the last few days

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:26 (fifteen years ago)

Labour want STV or AV though rather than PR.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:26 (fifteen years ago)

Swing larger where labour has a new rather than sitting candidate.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

yes, but them calling for electoral reform is not new is my point.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

oh god, the shits on the balcony

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Neil does not need to be that large. Not looking forward to Prescott, Soames or Osbourne appear on that screen.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

Morgan is the vilest person to have been on so far.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

307 seats my cock

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

...been told by officials at their polling station that if they had not voted by 10pm the doors would close

That's a little amibiguous. Doors closing might just mean that nobody else can get inside, but if you're already inside then you can vote (like a shop approaching closing time trying to get the last customers served so everyone can go home).

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)

where's that list of marginal targets. i'm assuming the lib dem mp total is underestimated by ~20 or so, but are most of the lib dem targets labour?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)

Fucking hell what happened to the Dow tonight?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

There's nothing better than a bunch of dyed in the wool Tory shitbags pretending they've just become Tories.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

Ooooh, Mandelson: 'The constitutional conventions are very clear. You know the rules. The rules are if it's a hung parliament it's not the party with the largest number of seats that has the first go. It's the sitting government.'

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

307 seats noodle's cock otm

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

yiu have been watching has started for those wanting to see it but avoid the other prats

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

if the LD count is underestimated then perhaps the worst case scenario is that it just shifts seats between two natural coalition partners, best case scenario is it takes a dozen or so of the conservatives too

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

Fucking hell what happened to the Dow tonight?

― Ismael Klata, Thursday, May 6, 2010 10:30 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if the exit poll is right then shit is going to get really real tomorrow

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)

Ben Kingsley quality NuLab luvvie in the area

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

Could the exit poll be skewed by the additional Lab/LD marginals included by Ipsos/MORI this time round? So Labour are doing well there, depressing the LD projection nationwide? Grasping here...

BRUCIE BONUS!

Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

POLITICAL ANALYSIS WITH BRUCE FORSYTHE

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

Brucie doing well there

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

time to start buying up canned food and long-life milk

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

bruce's comment on the exit poll: "it's high"

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

Britain would be a better place if the SS Neil sank.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

did i hear them say the LSE opens at 1am?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)

I think the unprecedented 3-way split is gonna fuck with the exit polls - which have not always been that great anyway

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)

Paddy McGuinness up next to shout "no likey no votey".

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)

I think its the asian markets xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)

Can believe there's some evaporation of the Lib Dems' poll support tho

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)

ah right, xp

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/conservative-target-seats

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

uk bond market does indeed open at 1am

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

It's not like the Stock Market to try and fuck with a non-Tory gov tho tbf

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

no, bond markets will open at 1am (an unprecedented move)

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

fucknuggets

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

if the LD MP count is underestimated by, say, 20 and the lib/con ratio is about right then based on this there is no way con can form a minority government that lasts longer than ten minutes: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/liberal-democrat-target-seats

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:36 (fifteen years ago)

FUCK xpost

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:36 (fifteen years ago)

sod this, i'm going to watch the simpsons!

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

Politics sucks nowadays, bring back Willie Whitelaw and Roy Jenkins.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

Alan Johnson may be better known to you as "that one football manager character Peter Cook played on Clive Anderson's talk show"

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

Police have been called to polling stations in Sheffield to move people on who've queued for hours to vote and not been able to. Former Hillsborough MP Helen Jackson says the situation is disgraceful and potentially leaves it open to legal challenge if results are close.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

JOHNSON MIND GAMES~!

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

LOL xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

Yay Alan Johnson's acid kicks in

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)

2237 BBC Sussex understands that in the Brighton Pavilion constituency the Green Party are gloomy about their prospects for Caroline Lucas becoming the party's first MP. Sources there say Labour's held a massive doorstep campaign in the last 24 hours targetting Green supporters.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)

alan johnson bending over for the liberal democrats here

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)

xps I'm always surprised when Alan Johnson's not
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/P/peep_show/images/galleries/season_four/peep_show_s4_ep2_johnson_suze1_400x251.jpg

Not the real Village People, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)

Johnson's reminding me a lot of Bowie here

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)

Caek: Where do you keep plucking the 20 LD seats from?

Re: Queues for hours at polling stations - how the fuck does this happen? I've never even had to wait for one second.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

Arnold has congratulated David Cameron: Game over!

http://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/13508605995

carson dial, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

xp Mandy's totally sucking on LD nuts

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

Old person at the front of the queue? xxp

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

According to Hari Kunzru there are sitters-in at Hackney polling stations.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

nice to see Nick Wilton still getting work

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)

Stokey was apparently very busy

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)

xxxxxxp, my ass. 538 claim the exit poll underestimates if by 50+, which is preposterous, and losing 3 votes seems crazy too, so i'm splitting the difference.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)

underestimates the LD MP count, i mean

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)

my prediction last week was 70+/-10 i think

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)

apparently my mom-in-law's seen peeps queueing down the street in Chester so maybe some polling stations have been struggling

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)

can honestly say I've never been more emotionally or sexually attracted to Mandelson than tonite

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)

This is GREAT news as far as turnout goes but the WI types who run tings at polling stations must be going barmy.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:43 (fifteen years ago)

Mandelson's great, I'll miss the guy

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:43 (fifteen years ago)

Sunderland South is the seat Chris Mullin is standing down from, right? Any ideas on the new guy?

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

Mandelson on some Tucker shit

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

well I said to Mrs V that traditionally high turnout = bad for Tories but we're living in different times right now

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, he's a good looking lad. Do the Tories have any grade-A hunks lurking behind the scenes disposing of the bodies?

xxxp

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

and losing 3 votes seems crazy too

In the big scheme of things, losing three votes probably isn't that tragic

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

Why the fuck isn't Vine wearing a stupid costume yet?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

"The swing to the Conservatives is higher in England"

No shit.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

In the big scheme of things, losing three votes probably isn't that tragic

― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, May 6, 2010 10:44 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, but it doesn't seem credible

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

Best League Country in the World

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

I think he looses one item of clothing for every seat the swingometer gets wrong

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)

YES

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)

I think he looses one item of clothinglimb for every seat the swingometer gets wrong

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:46 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:47 (fifteen years ago)

Zeniab Badawi (sans twenty hotels)

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:48 (fifteen years ago)

jesus, she looks like she's not slept for a week

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:48 (fifteen years ago)

I think he looses one item of clothinglimb for every seat the swingometer gets wrong

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― Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:47 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If you're gonna do a job

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:50 (fifteen years ago)

<3 sunderland

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:51 (fifteen years ago)

still voting in Brockley, more room for challenges

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

is it me or does this race to declare shit make a mockery of the mockery that is parliamentary democracy?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

well done Bridget

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

The honourable member for Houghton and Sunderland South would get it, imo.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

she looks v. nervous!

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

Lovely accent.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

Okay I'm going to open a beer every time the BNP get schooled.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

that's a job for life

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

the lad Wakefield's done well

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

In my polling station, we were queueing out the door at 6.30pm, but asking the officers thgere - they'd been empty all day. Vic was queueing for it to open though.

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

an oxford gel too, how lovely

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

RIP NickB. Heaven needed a guy to drink 600+ beers

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

8.4% swing to Tories in Sunderland can't be good news?

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

lot of maths there tho

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)

There was no queue when I voted but that was at 7:45am

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)

these early seats never matter one jot

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)

anthony king is the essex uni guy we're waiting for. apparently he's canadian. hope he's going to turn up later!

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)

Interested to see how much the UKIP and BNP vote stalls the tory march.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)

8.4% swing to Tories in Sunderland can't be good news?

― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, May 6, 2010 10:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

swing is always higher in lower turnout seats

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)

Also swing possibly higher where there is no incumbent.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)

Sinn Fein winning here.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)

Interested to see how much the UKIP and BNP vote stalls the tory march.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, May 6, 2010 10:56 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i suspect rather less than last time, when there was no real prospect of a tory win

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)

Mandelson looks like a man who has hung some chads today.

― Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:21 (30 minutes ago)

I wish I knew what this meant ... I think.

djh, Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)

Northern Ireland counting tonight!

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)

Douglas Alexander is the kind of wild-eyed Marxist the party needs to win some hearts and minds

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:02 (fifteen years ago)

people talking about a slight negative swing for the conservatives in scotland, i think lab require ~2% to take the only con MP in scotland

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:03 (fifteen years ago)

i.e. probably not going to happen

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:03 (fifteen years ago)

no hang on, he's PC Plum out of Balamory

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:03 (fifteen years ago)

unless people abandon the Nats

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:03 (fifteen years ago)

red dougie - waiting for the tanks to roll in

xpost - NV = BOTM

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:03 (fifteen years ago)

Sinn Fein winning here.

Maybe they can pledge loyalty to the Queen as long as they believe it's Mandelson.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

Need to go home, see you in a little bit

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

this bit is some of the worst tv imaginable

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

did Douglas just quote the "british constitution" ?

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

Overall 5.5% swing to Tories, according to grimly fiendish tweet.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

Oh shit it's Sam the Eagle

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

6 May 2010

John Mothersole, Returning Officer for Sheffield, apologised to residents who were unable to vote in Sheffield today.

He said: “We got this wrong and I would like to apologise.

“We were faced with a difficult situation with the numbers of people, and a large amount of students turning up to vote without polling cards. This made the administration process of ensuring the correct person was given a ballot paper much longer.

“The only remedy, which we could not take, was to extend the voting times.”

Ends

mark e, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

At some point tonight, I am going to lose my shit at the umpteenth Tory pundit who proclaims that tonight's result is a clear rejection of Labour, despite having clung on during the desperate decaying corpse of the last John Major gov.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

Nate Silver, who was a bit of a star in Nov '08, is beginning to piss me off now. He's assuming 38-28-23 vote share based on exit poll, someone else has "confirmed" this, this swing almost exactly matches Sunderland result, so "so far, so good", yada yada. He might be right but it's not what I want to hear.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

who is the worst person on tonight: theresa may or andrew neil?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

you know what - someone's going to claim a bum deal very very soon.

xpost - Neil, country mile/

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

a large amount of students turning up to vote without polling cards

This has to be the result of a LOL pub conversation, doesn't it?

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

She is horrible but he is a boil about to need a lance, in human form.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

From BBC News website live feed:

Another former Lib Dem leader Neil Kinnock also says the figure for the Lib Dems is "almost certainly wrong".

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

Kinnock was a disaster of a Lib Dem leader tho

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:10 (fifteen years ago)

exit poll revised, haha, that's reassuring

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:10 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby 3rd World politics disgrace o_O

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)

lol at dimbleby losing his rag

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)

shits gallery mute button

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)

oh my god

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)

People queue for hours in South Africa it's a triumph of the human spirit but if you do it in Leeds apparently we're fucked

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)

The queueing voters do not look like tories to me.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

these pictures of people milling around polling stations having been turned away are just embarrassing.

BUM DEAL!

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

quite loving google livesearch at the moment.

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

In my polling station, I was the only fucker there.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

Damn, I hope it was a polling station.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

How come they've tweaked the exit poll? It's 2004 all over again!

Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

There was a queue at my polling station this morning in Islington. Not a particularly long one, but I've never had to queue to vote before.

jellybean (back again) (Jill), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

my polling station there were 3 or 4 people in at the same time as me. Was about quarter to ten.

Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

xpost - Neil, country mile/

OTM. It's not so much that I disagree with his politics, he just seems really shit at being a TV presenter: cheesy, insecure and with a terrible attempt at a head of hair.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

Here's some celebrities I care about.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

World needs the opinion of Kelly Holmes, oh yes.

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

OH NOES TELLY BREAKS. Now we'll never have Fern's opinion :-/

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)

Dom Joly obviously not a Daily Sport reader.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)

cutting away from the editor of Private Eye after 25 seconds so they could get David Baddiel on the stick was definitely a high point for the evening

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)

wtf happened u guys being a mature dignified political landscape? jane fucking moore on the bbc?

Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)

What time do I get to lol at Esther Rantzen, btw?

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)

i am so excited for you guys!!! elections are so exciting

max, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)

Plz to kill Jeremy Vine and his graphics

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)

lol family guy

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)

boundary changes in England make these swing figures for Sunderland (or anywhere else) pretty unreliable until we get a few more in.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)

Speak of the devil

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)

Who's this kawaii-lookin' dame interviewing her?

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)

What on earth is vine doing with giant dominoes

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)

xxxxpost
not till 3am apparently, word is she'll get about 5%.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)

ughh, don't think I can take many more hours of this but good luck to those of you who plan to stick it out

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)

ezders keen.

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)

Esther has been meeting people too!

her interviewer appears to be tweaking

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)

my gf has stormed off to bed in disgust at my caring about the uk election. IT'S EXCITING THO, and unlike a real election i can maintain a detached interest.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:22 (fifteen years ago)

jesus - can we lose this silver haired, adenoidal pundit?

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:22 (fifteen years ago)

max, are you watching this online?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:22 (fifteen years ago)

wish they could do this like Eurovision and get all the results coming in back to back (with Finnish metallers winning).

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:25 (fifteen years ago)

RICH HALL C4 NOW

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:25 (fifteen years ago)

good luck washington

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

geoff strongman dude?

Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

Giant Haystacks apparently ran a decent campaign for the Lib Dems in Washington

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

blair? is that blair again?

Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

fuck me, Blair stood as a Tory

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

lol xp

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

my gf has stormed off to bed in disgust at my caring about the uk election

my bf has stormed off to bed in disgust at my caring about the uk election, and we live here

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

2-0 ya bams

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

2-0

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

boos for bnp dude, along with 1900 votes

Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

River Song takes Washington

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

BNP guy standing on the far right.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:28 (fifteen years ago)

11.6% swing, think Labour are fucked.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:29 (fifteen years ago)

what was turnout there?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:29 (fifteen years ago)

psephologists sound so pleased that Tories are doing well

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:30 (fifteen years ago)

nothing to be learned from that seat, meh.

turnout 54%

Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:30 (fifteen years ago)

wow, not pretty

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:30 (fifteen years ago)

Jesus, everyone stop going on about the swing in the Sunderland seats - it's totally meaningless.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:30 (fifteen years ago)

still maintain those swings mean nothing, yeah

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:30 (fifteen years ago)

ERIC PICKLES TIME

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

Loved that in the first result, the BNP woman was still scrambling up onto the stage when her name was read out.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

Drunken twats turn up to vote at five past 10, get turned away shocker

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

I SPOILED MINE AT 8PM YOU IDLE GITS

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

Realised at 9.30 I should have written "Nate Dogg" tho

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:32 (fifteen years ago)

Hodgson still got twice as many votes as Cuthbert in Sunderland

this Hackney queues thing is fucking insane, there's a poll station every 100 metres here

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:32 (fifteen years ago)

tis legal to drunk vote, as long as you get there on time.

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)

lololo

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)

it's the tardiness i'm criticising.

Let's hope Bill Cash gets in a light aircraft soon yeah?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

11.6% swing, think Labour are fucked

The Tory vote only went up by about 7%, though (about in line with the exit polls). The larger swing figure is because the Labour vote went down by much more than that: support bleeding away to the BNP and UKIP. Not sure how true this will be in the rest of the country - if you live in as safe a seat as Sunderland then you can afford to make a protest vote.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

exit polls are predicting unpredictable predictions

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

Also Cons hit sunderland more than usual having Sunderland Central as a possible outside chance seat.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

Mandy is really enjoying rocking the Dark Lord role tonight isn't he?

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:36 (fifteen years ago)

jesus, paxman and mandelson flirting pretty seriously here

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:36 (fifteen years ago)

Half the Labour supporters in Sunderland won't have bothered voting because they know it's a cert.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

jeremy giving the morbidly obese conservative a pretty easy ride here

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

11.34pm: Caroline Lucas is on course to win Brighton Pavilion for the Greens, according to my colleague at the count, Peter Walker.

The chair of the local Greens, Matt Follett, tells me they're "quietly confident" of making Caroline Lucas the party's first-ever MP. He claims their on-the-ground organisation today was actually bigger and better than the main parties'. I guess that's what you can do by concentrating so much on a small number of seats. I've tried to ask the Tories, the other party seen as in with a good shout here, for their view, but they're not talking.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

jesus vs paxman
now that i would watch.

mark e, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

"Protest vote" sure but surprised to see Tory swings in the NE after Cameron's funding comments

(points abt not reading anything at all into early results noted)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

That was the case last time around - this time turnout is up meaning imo some actual Tory momentum.

Only comfort so far is Lib Lab saying almost nice things about coalitions.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

huge xpost

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

OSBOURNE...cue that shit Darth Vader music

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

george osbourne a truly terrifying prospect

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

this wonderful and neglected thread was the first time i became aware of PICKLES

high resolution photos of british mps

and now it TALKS, or tries to

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

darth vader suggests competence and intelligence

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

stop this guy talking please

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

this is, I think, the first time he has been let out in a month

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

huge swing in the odds towards Tory majority, now 4/7 - you could get 11/8 earlier tonight :(

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

suspiciously Brummie returning officer in Sunderland South

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

"Who are ya? Who are ya?"

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

Jeez, that's a big win

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

were they just chanting "EASY...EASY"???

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

big lulz if so

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

wasn't the UKIP candidate also the BNP candidate in one of the other sunderland seats?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

All female parliament so far.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

That's the one the tories had hopes for, no?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

How you like us NOW, Camerong???

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

BNP beat UKIP again

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

4.8% swing in a constituency they'd poured resources with a favorable boundary change?

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

So - a much smaller swing in that seat that actually mattered more.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

300 seats my cock

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)

also mandelson is great and thoroughly sons that dismal bedwetting cryptotory cunt paxman every time he can be bothered, which isn't so often these days

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)

still hard to do swing with all the boundary changes

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)

if that's what happens in the marginals, then banter

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)

huge swing in the odds towards Tory majority, now 4/7 - you could get 11/8 earlier tonight :(

― mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:41 (51 seconds ago) Bookmark

Just suddenly both have switched to evens. Someone's either a) learned some important news or b) decided to flood the betting exchanges for a laugh

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)

I hate the phrase 'get real' more than maybe any other

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)

Pav returning officer John Barradell has promised he will announce the result like boxing M.C Michael Buffer - The Winner and new member for Briiiiigghtonnnn Paaaaaviiilionnnn is...

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)

Dear George Osborne, you, me, toe to toe in the car park now.

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)

Congrats to the Tory party machine for keeping George Osbourne away from any cameras over the past month though.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)

uk elections: never change

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

urgh. toffed up politicians using the phrase "get real"

xpost.

mark e, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

there's no u in osborne!!!!

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

I should hope not

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

but there is an FU before.

mark e, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)

yes

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)

Colonel Sanders apparently rejected at the polling station.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)

fiona bruce needs to drop her cheery antiques roadshow voice. election night is serious business.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)

pretty sure Fiona Bruce has had a few sherries

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)

although appropriate tone too take for the magnificent man in his flying machine

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)

i could use a sherry actually

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby just called Griffin a racist.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)

The BNP. A 1 percent gain on 1000 votes = 10 extra votes, yes?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

2347The BBC in Merseyside has been taking calls from people saying they couldn't vote because polling stations had run out of ballot papers.

weird!

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

i really should leave the office

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

get this pig griffin off my fucking telly!

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

A RUM JOB

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

xxpost
Turn over

not_goodwin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:51 (fifteen years ago)

A RUM JOB

I totally misread that.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:52 (fifteen years ago)

this is about the time I bowed out of the snooker on Monday - not sure I can last much longer here, but Sunderland Central has made it a bit interesting

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:53 (fifteen years ago)

but at least we have a scandal to talk about now

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:53 (fifteen years ago)

maybe we can start on the referee in a minute

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)

caek you bastard

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)

yes hello!

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)

Argh when is there going to be something real to talk about?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)

Antediluvian - word of the day so far

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)

really leaving the office now

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)

What about Paxo and Dimbleby being Tory cunts, is that real enough?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)

No voters turned away in West Dorset although one polling station failed to open because nobody could find the key.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)

Is Milliband cultivating a Dickie Davies style greying quiff in a bid for leaderly gravitas?

Stevie T, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:57 (fifteen years ago)

paxman is being a bit weird tonight

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:57 (fifteen years ago)

Just switched to c4 - my god Charlie Brooker is looking well

p-dog, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)

I think he got sherbert dib-dab in is bog brush

xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)

11:51 PM (BST) In the three districts that have reported so far, all in Metro Sunderland, Labour is -10.5% from last time, Conservatives +6.0%, LibDems +0.2%, "Others" +4.3%.

^ukip and beanp eating into the Tory swing

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)

(that from 538)

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)

paxman sonning pickles there.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)

dimbelby is crushing it tonight

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems going nowhere so far.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)

This shit is gonna wind up like Bush-Gore y/n?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, Charlie Brooker + David Mitchell + Rich Hall = better than any number of Paxmen and Dimblebies.

xposts

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)

there are insulin coma patients who could son pickles

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)

HANGING CHAVS

u read it here first folks

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)

prediction - Dimbleby giving a live stern telling off to the head of the electoral commission before the end of the night

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)

I'm still having fun on C4 before I do the switchover.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)

Is the joke that Jeremy Vine is CGI this time around as well as his background?

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:02 (fifteen years ago)

The Queen is like Heineken lager = I've been rehearsing *that* one all day

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:05 (fifteen years ago)

I do not like this guy one bit

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:06 (fifteen years ago)

SRSLY HNG

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:06 (fifteen years ago)

if seriously hung, no wonder the queen would become active.

mark e, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:07 (fifteen years ago)

looking forward to mugabe offering to send inspectors for the next election

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:09 (fifteen years ago)

there is a long way to go, but i can't see cameron making ground on the economy, so for today my prediction is:

lab ~270±20
con ~280±20
lib ~90

lab+lib coalition
PM: johnson
chancellor: cable
foreign: milliband
home: clegg

cameron clings on

― caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 11:14 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:10 (fifteen years ago)

caek > nate silver

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:11 (fifteen years ago)

haha, 90 is not going to happen

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:11 (fifteen years ago)

Oh look, it's Richard Wilson on a boat with Joan Collins.

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:12 (fifteen years ago)

and +/- 20 is basically saying "i don't know what the result is going to be" in an election this close

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:12 (fifteen years ago)

would punch Amis

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:12 (fifteen years ago)

Labour landslide:
ILX Exit Poll (UK General Election 2010) - new version!

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:12 (fifteen years ago)

david starkey is such a cunt

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)

THE GAS OF RISING VAT

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)

"L'Oreal election - because you're worth it". Do all these people have a bet on for who is going to say the stupidest fucking thing?

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)

he is a terrible cunt

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)

jeez, Amis is easily the least punchable of these three

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)

as opposed to a good one? (xpost TIMING!)

Mark G, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)

Oh look, here's Tony Parsons.

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)

Armando Iannucci had a zing lined up there but he got cut off by Joan Collins.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)

I have a sneaking regard for Dave Starkey, he may be a Tory but I enjoy his history work. Amis fils has been worthless since 1987. Not convinced Joan Collins is even eligible to vote in this country.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:15 (fifteen years ago)

Wd take Starkey over Schama eg

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:15 (fifteen years ago)

Six people around a table and Tony Parsons isn't the biggest cunt? Truly tonight is a historic moment.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)

really feel for you guys right now

goole, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)

At least we're not on that boat

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)

This isn't really like 2000 in America.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)

it's all good, Tories finish on 295-ish and we herald in a bright new dawn of Lib-Lab Gordon Brown-less hilarity

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)

Something of the Siouxsie Sioux about Tessa Jowell isn't there?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:18 (fifteen years ago)

SB'd you for that

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:18 (fifteen years ago)

BNP beer goggles

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:18 (fifteen years ago)

"hanging chavs" is pretty great btw

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:19 (fifteen years ago)

YAY IT'S THE SCATMAN

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:19 (fifteen years ago)

Apparently Cameron has had chilli con carne, and is now LIVE in his CAR, DRIVING somewhere!

Mark G, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

I suggest we get five players sent off from each side and call the result as it stands. 3-0 to Labour and Sunderland gets to run the country.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

And here's an old pisshead.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

biddi-biddi-biddi-bop-biddup-boom

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

3-0 to Labour and Sunderland gets to run the country.

Weren't they all women too?

Madchen, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

You'd think Paxo would have learned to pronounce Kirkcaldy by now.

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:21 (fifteen years ago)

Just get Ken Clarke and Mandelson toe-to-toe and let everyone else go home

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

How is it pronounced?

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

wkiw Clarke btw

probably call him a cunt at some point in the evening, but wkiw

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

he was good on Cannonball Adderley the other week

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

Is Ken Clarke packing a gun?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

curcoddy?

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

kir-cauddy, basically. not kirk-call-dy. xpost, aye

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:23 (fifteen years ago)

nah, he's just pleased to see us

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:23 (fifteen years ago)

wkiw Clarke btw

probably call him a cunt at some point in the evening, but wkiw

^^^^

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:23 (fifteen years ago)

wkiw NV and KC

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:23 (fifteen years ago)

facebook abolished

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

dimbelby on facebook: AMAZING

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

they abolished facebook!

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby obv not a silver surfer.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

french kiw in the usa

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

Sky reporting that Lib Dems are claiming Edinburgh South and the Tories claiming Luton South. RIP Esther.

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

abolish facebook

^^^ otm

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

@Rory_Phillips: Only in hackney do voters show up fashionably late muttering something about being 'on the list'

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

wkiw NV and KC

and Nicholas Soames.

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

"People were put into 'resident' and 'student queue' at Ranmoor, Sheffield."

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)

still watching c4, brooker's brown impression surprisingly good

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)

ranmoor is classic town vs. gown country. sheffield uni halls surrounded by some of the richest people in the north of england.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:30 (fifteen years ago)

It's Robert Webb channeling Brown.

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

The exit polls and early results with swings to the Conservative Party - delighted Tory Nadine Dorries who is hot favourite to hold her seat in Mid Beds.

Speaking from her home she told The Comet shortly before midnight that the Tory train was now unstoppable and David Cameron would be Britain's Prime Minister tomorrow morning.

"The turn out is very high. I have been visiting the polling stations in Mid Beds throughout the day and I believe the turn out has been as high as 80 per cent," said Ms Dorries.

Just 'lol'

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)

Brooker did a decent impression of him earlier (though Webb also good)

xpost

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)

Ooh, a real result

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:36 (fifteen years ago)

no c4 or itv chez moi, freeview to blame

BBC coverage abysmal - does emily maitlis have a function??

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:39 (fifteen years ago)

This is the worst thing I've seen so far tonight, thanks a fucking bunch, Brooker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7OGUAQSYQ4

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:40 (fifteen years ago)

lol students

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:42 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby on NI result: "Swing there from Unionists to Nationalists... good!"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:42 (fifteen years ago)

hahahaha

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:42 (fifteen years ago)

guy needs a venti

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)

grrr @ 'Get Real' scrolling across the bottom of the screen now

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)

even tho it's clear that the beeb are fucking this up, my patrician bias won't let me watch the commercial channels

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:45 (fifteen years ago)

Wonder what the odds are on Dimbleby going home sick before dawn? Starting to sound like he's about to die.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:46 (fifteen years ago)

The Queen is like Heineken lager = I've been rehearsing *that* one all day

― ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:05 (38 minutes ago) Bookmark

Haha *hadn't* he though? So rehearsed.

piscesx, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:47 (fifteen years ago)

On the BBC election boat, singer and musician Imogen Heap says she's discussed the future of the creative arts with Nick Clegg: "I heard him talk about the creative arts as a big part of bringing us out of debt because music and art is one of our biggest exports."

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)

DUP losing Belfast East = first genuinely o_O result of the night?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)

Peter Robinson sacked!! woohoo

p-dog, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, as long as it's not the artists getting the money... (xpost once again) and again.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)

I've given up for now and am back watching Charlie Brooker getting pissed off at the ridiculousness of it all.

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)

Alliance Party are the secular lads, right?

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:51 (fifteen years ago)

I am not as au fait with NI parties as I should be, is that bad for Tories?

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:51 (fifteen years ago)

toby young can fucking choke

nakhchivan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:51 (fifteen years ago)

PUT YOUR DRINKS DOWN, IT'S TOBY YOUNG

Meowsy McDermott, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:52 (fifteen years ago)

this might be the booze talking but I'm starting to dig the Ship of the Damned feel of Neil on the Big Wheel.

Is that Toby Young pretending he's only just become a Tory????@

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:52 (fifteen years ago)

suzy, yes, it's a bad result for them, but it was such a weird situation that it's not necessarily a sign of anything

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:52 (fifteen years ago)

I missed that, who are the Alliance Party?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:53 (fifteen years ago)

ach jeesus McGowan get tae fuck

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:53 (fifteen years ago)

alliance party are the post-good friday lads. will vote with the lib dems on non nornireland issues i think.

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:53 (fifteen years ago)

No, I know his wife was the teenager-shagging bigot...

sharia twain (suzy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:54 (fifteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Party_of_Northern_Ireland

caek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:54 (fifteen years ago)

yeah I think the Alliance are basically Lib-Dem friendly.

Peter Snow looks like the hero out of a Huysmanns novel

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:55 (fifteen years ago)

don't even get me started on andrew neil and his stupid party. everyone's sloshed, you'd think it would be more entertaining

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:55 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby has lost it already "that's a Conservative hold in Thornbury & Yate" shortly after announcing it as a Lib Dem hold and with a big graphic saying LD hold and showing a Lib Dem victory.

ailsa, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:56 (fifteen years ago)

Nah Trace, it's great, the punchline is THEY ALL DIED when the wheel fell over at 9.30 last night

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:57 (fifteen years ago)

Collins, Baddiel and Ben Fogle wandering thru the 1st circle of Hell for eternity

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:57 (fifteen years ago)

The guy in charge of the canned laughter on Channel 4 is either taking the piss or has never been in charge of the canned laughter before tonight.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

Really concerned for David Heath in Somerton and Frome at this point. Although my dad did tell me today that the libdems out-leafleted the Tories there by 22 to 16. So that's something.

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)

xp nah i think people just aren't sure which bits to laugh at, can't blame em. vic coren on form tho.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)

i wd really like to hear Alan Hansen's thoughts at this point

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:00 (fifteen years ago)

I want a live cut to the bond market right now

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)

Catch me up: is the story "Big swings to the tories where they can't win"?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)

this dude otm about legitimacy issues if con form a minority government with 0 or 1 scottish mps

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:02 (fifteen years ago)

Alliance win in Belfast is good news in my book

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:02 (fifteen years ago)

alliance party are the post-good friday lads
They were around before that, weren't they?

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:02 (fifteen years ago)

Catch me up: is the story "Big swings to the tories where they can't win"?

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, May 7, 2010 1:01 AM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

basically yes

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)

CON gain Kingswood

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)

alliance party are the post-good friday lads
They were around before that, weren't they?

― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, May 7, 2010 1:02 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, i meant that in a figurative way rather than chronological

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)

Catch me up: is the story "Big swings to the tories where they can't win"?

pretty much. plus "BBC gently backing away from their initial bullshit exit poll"

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)

Oh fuck these tory freaks.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

if you can look at a Tory candidate and think they're worth a punt then fuck you tbh

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

This footage from Kingswood appears to come from 1988n judging from the haircuts and tashes on display.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

exit poll is a joint poll conducted by ipsos and mori, paid for by bbc, itv and sky, so technically they're all fucked if it's wrong

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

Bugger, there's the first red scalp in the blue bag.

Madchen, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)

oh knobs, there goes my theory

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)

Shit, Tories take Kingswood. Not even in their top 120.

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)

Which was? xpost

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, so it's going to be a Conservative government in the morning.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby's been great i thought up until about 20 minutes ago when suddenly.. he's gone into wind down.

piscesx, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)

guys chill out

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)

gordon brown has got this

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:07 (fifteen years ago)

Bristol Kingswood/Tory

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:07 (fifteen years ago)

Paxo looks stoked for our new shitbag overlords

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:08 (fifteen years ago)

http://home.btconnect.com/rdi/frazer.jpg

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:09 (fifteen years ago)

The Channel 4 thing really needed to carry on until about 4am, and presented by an increasingly drunken Jimmy Corkhill.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:09 (fifteen years ago)

green party guy, proper west country hippy

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)

Dear Nael Kinnock,

Please don't piss on my vaguely warm memories of you as a well-meaning tit by repping for the comedy Channel 5 version of the party you once nobly led to a caning

kthx

Noodle

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)

NV - what?

Lib Dems hold Torbay

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:11 (fifteen years ago)

they shdn't suddenly change to tory maj projection just cuz some fucking rural slum asserts its irrelevance

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:11 (fifteen years ago)

Bollocks, I was sky+ing Channel 4 for going back to later, and it's cut out because it was only set to run until 1. Fuck you, Sky, I can't rewind Charlie Brooker now :-/

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:11 (fifteen years ago)

swing to the LDs which may nibble the Cons in the southwest?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:11 (fifteen years ago)

that's a bit more like it.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:12 (fifteen years ago)

The Press Association is reporting that Downing Street sources say the prime minister will try to form a coalition government in the event of a hung parliament.

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:12 (fifteen years ago)

NB&S - the Labour Party died in 1995. Kinnock gets a let-off despite his glaring faults. Gin = awesome. Jeezus is that dude wearing a wig?

kthx

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:13 (fifteen years ago)

BBC really fucking this up, btw. I'm embarrassed for them.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:13 (fifteen years ago)

it's a shambles like this every year, don't feel bad for them

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)

NB&S - the Labour Party died in 1995. Kinnock gets a let-off despite his glaring faults

Think you're a bit harsh on Kinnock

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)

Where can I get a revised seats projection (i.e. exit poll strengthened by results now in)?
I really need to go to bed soon - teaching in 8 hours.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:16 (fifteen years ago)

Interesting stuff happening in Northern Ireland

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:16 (fifteen years ago)

On one level Kinnock's a paragon compared to the Nu School, but then he should keep himself a good arm's distance away from this shower rather than sitting there on TV going OH SHI

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:17 (fifteen years ago)

Zoiks I went to bed and now Belfast East is not Unionist?? Shd probably go back to bed but that is one thing to treasurelaugh hysterically at tomorrow no matter what else goes to shit

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:17 (fifteen years ago)

Where can I get a revised seats projection (i.e. exit poll strengthened by results now in)?

― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:16 (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

With the spreadsheet I've got from a stats website and the results now in, you'd be now looking at:

CON 316
LAB 238
LD 65

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:18 (fifteen years ago)

Vine's hands are a bit like that Meaning of Life sketch with the annoying-voiced Fish dude.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:18 (fifteen years ago)

swings are not regional, but thanks JV

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:19 (fifteen years ago)

Please God let Campbell try and bite Neil's nose off now there's nothing to lose

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:20 (fifteen years ago)

damn bbc anchor is a dick

coining (Lamp), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:21 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Neill: on a boat, motherfucker.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:21 (fifteen years ago)

are you watching this live lamp? the creepy ginger donald trump on the balcony is not the anchor.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:22 (fifteen years ago)

Seriously, Campbell could chin the fucker right now and it wouldn't affect anything

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:23 (fifteen years ago)

With the spreadsheet I've got from a stats website and the results now in, you'd be now looking at:

CON 316
LAB 238
LD 65

Meh. Weak Cameron government propped up by Unionists on the way then.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:23 (fifteen years ago)

10 point deduction for the next election maybe

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:23 (fifteen years ago)

fuck andrew neil imo

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:23 (fifteen years ago)

Why this 'Brown to form a coalition' rumour now - is this the first shot in a leadership struggle or what?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:25 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIj-6fr2SlI

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:25 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe Brown actually does believe he's going to be forming a coalition in the morning, hadn't occurred to me

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:27 (fifteen years ago)

shit....intrade gone from 44%>64% tory maj in the last hour or so

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:27 (fifteen years ago)

are you watching this live lamp?

yah - have a couple of brit friends over & we're watching the bbc live feed. my friend r feels guilty cuz she didnt vote & not shes worried the tories will take her constituency (is that the right word?)

dam u guyz have like 100 different parties huh

coining (Lamp), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:27 (fifteen years ago)

Wd like to begin the appeal to my sisters and brothers in Wales, Ireland, Scotland to put the family up while we apply for asylum

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:28 (fifteen years ago)

Brown+LDs+Nats+Alliance could make a good case to be the government of all of Britain over an English Conservative party.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:28 (fifteen years ago)

all yesterday's parties

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:28 (fifteen years ago)

Blunkett conceding defeat (with hedging)

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:29 (fifteen years ago)

why the fuck is he doing it tho

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)

Sylvia Hermon with quite the majority in North Down. Are independent MPs eligible to be chased for a coalition? One for Labour there, probably. If it even comes to that. Ho hum.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)

Ed I salute yr indefatigable optimism but I fear this balloon is gonna crash hard

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)

A point just made by David Blunkett (xposts to Ed)

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)

Going back to bed before the balloon crash. Good luck UK!

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:31 (fifteen years ago)

Are they having a minute's silence in Durham?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:31 (fifteen years ago)

why the fuck is he doing it tho

discredited Blairite twat with nothing to lose under a Tory gov.

Just guessing

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:31 (fifteen years ago)

the nats of all varieties have basically said "we are mercenary vote-by-vote cunts" iirc, rather than being team-players

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:32 (fifteen years ago)

hopefully.... xp

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:32 (fifteen years ago)

At least sluggerotoole.com will be a good read tomorrow in between crying into my cornflakes.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:32 (fifteen years ago)

I, Colette Longbottom [Beavis & Butthead snigger]

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:32 (fifteen years ago)

Labour hold? Bit of a smirk there.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:32 (fifteen years ago)

colette longbottom!!!!! also kinda <3 how cranky the bbc dudes are all "just get on with it" and shit. i guess it is like 2 in the morning there

coining (Lamp), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)

dam u guyz have like 100 different parties huh

Not really. Traditionally 2.5 parties for the bigger picture (i.e. two main ones, plus one other somewhat fucked over by the system). In recent years a growth of the 'others' vote for Greens (save the planet), UKIP (anti-EU membership, keep the shilling and ounces), BNP (send em back where they came from). Plus one major nationalist party in each of Scotland and Wales. Plus totally different set of parties in Northern Ireland. All the rest are basically fringe nutters losing their deposits.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)

gordown brown is such a weird dude

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)

Victory for Gordon Brown!

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)

Is the Kirkaldy UkIP nutter a bus driver?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:34 (fifteen years ago)

Brown looks good at his count.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:34 (fifteen years ago)

how about the terrifying dude in the shades in kirkcaldy?

p-dog, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:34 (fifteen years ago)

Quality fringe deposit-losing nutter right behind Gordon Brown there.

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:34 (fifteen years ago)

Brown's quite impressive on this scale

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)

what is the bus driver holding?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)

unfortunate having con gain battersea flashing over hist speach

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:36 (fifteen years ago)

Brown's quite impressive on this scale

Needs some passion in his voice. He's no Neil Kinnock.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:36 (fifteen years ago)

Brown looks good at his count.

well i'm sure he'd feel much worse if he wasn't under such heavy sedation

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:37 (fifteen years ago)

Are you talking about the Land is Power guy? He just seems to be doing some sort of fist-clenching salute (he's not the UKIP guy). He got 57 votes.

xposts to Ed

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:37 (fifteen years ago)

Also, v. impressed at an alleged social democrat using the word "I" so many times in his speech

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:37 (fifteen years ago)

Poor Sarah looks like her heart's breaking

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:38 (fifteen years ago)

not the guy in high viz who looks like he's off to drive the nightbus, far left

Lab hold Telford -> Tories need this for a majority.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:38 (fifteen years ago)

this feels like a quasi-concession speech. very strange

p-dog, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:38 (fifteen years ago)

Worst back-bencher demoted to the House of Lords before it gets democratically reformed 18 months later ever

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:39 (fifteen years ago)

The loon's arm got tired

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:39 (fifteen years ago)

fuk u dimbleby
fuk u robinson

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:39 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, bit of magical thinking/railroading going on.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:40 (fifteen years ago)

brightonargus:
Peter Bottomley, Conservative MP for Worthing West, criticised “anarchists” who during darkness stole Tory election signs in East Preston and Rustington.
They also threw eggs, and pasted offensive posters, yesterday (Thurs) afternoon on the information board outside Haverfield House, the party's headquarters in Union Place, Worthing.
Mr Bottomley said: “There have been about four cases of criminal damage during the election by people claiming to be anarchists.
“There was an organised attack on our display of election material in Rustington and East Preston on different nights.
“I am not comparing it to what happened in Greece, but one step could lead to another.”

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:40 (fifteen years ago)

fuk u dimbleby
fuk u robinson

^^^ talk that is real

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:41 (fifteen years ago)

robinson is a cunt

manish pseud (cozen), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:41 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, I hadn't even noticed the UKIP bus driver!

(many xposts)

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:42 (fifteen years ago)

Marr u cunt there won't be two leaders trying to form a gov, there's a system, plus some losers

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:42 (fifteen years ago)

What have Dimbleby & Robinson done that's so infuriating?
Don't know if I can sleep tonight for fear of the impending anarchy sweeping through West Sussex.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:42 (fifteen years ago)

THE WREKIN

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)

BBC coverage is a bit "we salute our new Tory overlords"

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)

Up until this point I've subconsciously refused to believe the Lib-Dems will be able to get jiggy with Cameron, but let's be honest here.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)

What have Dimbleby & Robinson done that's so infuriating?

saying GB had basically conceded already. marr -- who would surely not survive five minutes of a tory govt -- dialled that back a bit.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)

This Tooting one's a big dog....

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

now listening to this on r4. feels much more civilized.

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

Swing not quite as big where it matters, maybe? I'm reaching a lot here

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

thanks for all sharing the burden so i don't have to call about 1200 ppl fucking cunts tonight

socialism at work

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

LAB hold Tooting....

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

if the LDs get in bed with cameron then i'm moving to the land of my fuckin' forefathers midway across the briny irish sea

who's presenting on R4?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

Woo! Tooting!

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

Are there chanting "YES WE KHAN"? Jesus Christ...

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

Thank you Tooting

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

Thank you Tooting Asians!

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

Hahaha, LAB hold Tooting and the betting markets go into meltdown. NOM new favourite again.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

Comrades in cunt-identification.

From these seeds, dude

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

Racial block voting will save us all!

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

amen xp

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

Yes we Khan is BRILLIANT.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:47 (fifteen years ago)

freedom for tooting am i right?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:47 (fifteen years ago)

Swing not quite as big where it matters, maybe? I'm reaching a lot here

This is a straw worth clutching at for the time being. The Tories seem to have piled on votes in safe Labour seats rather than key marginals.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:47 (fifteen years ago)

http://imgur.com/695XF.jpg

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:47 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y62L_qlefHU

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:48 (fifteen years ago)

different swings in every constituency so far... is the whole uniform national swing thing a myth, or is it in evidence in previous elections? </basic question>

p-dog, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:48 (fifteen years ago)

Damn, tories held Guildford (they only had a tiny majority last time).

Madchen, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)

in evidence in previous elections, iffy tonight - but not wildly iffy

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems hit pretty hard in Guildford tbh

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

guildford is as tory as...

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

69% turnout overall!

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

yay it's ed milliband, i needed to throw up so I could get a second wind

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

Ed Miliband: "I've no idea to be honest" - well done that man

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:51 (fifteen years ago)

Really not. They had a majority of 89 in 2005 and Lib Dem councils round those parts are strong.

(xp)

Madchen, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:51 (fifteen years ago)

LOVE LOVE LOVING the commitment to electoral reform from Labour big hitters a mere 13 years too late

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:51 (fifteen years ago)

can ed miliband pls learn how to talk and not do this smirky lopsided rio ferdinand ish

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:52 (fifteen years ago)

yay it's ed milliband, i needed to throw up so I could get a second wind

― NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, May 7, 2010 1:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ah they have a lot worse. gets points for his dad being a bro.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:52 (fifteen years ago)

soz i am bigotted woman

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)

1:51 brightonargus:
We've just heard Pavilion is now not likely to come in until 3.30am ...

Labour friend on twitter insists Pav is tight between Platts and Lucas . Recount?

^ oh shit, late night here

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)

ed miliband got

http://www.exeter-labour.org.uk/Michael%20Foot.jpg
http://www.souljaboy-fan.com/photo/soulja-boy3.jpg

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)

Lab hold in Gedling - fairly high on Tories target seats I believe, well within what they would need for an overall majority. On the other hand, Kingswood was well outside it.

AlanSmithee, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)

Wish Fiona would stop smirking

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:56 (fifteen years ago)

Eh, bedtime. Good luck, UK! hope we get the least worst possible option.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:57 (fifteen years ago)

wd rather eat TESTICLES than shake nick robbo's hand

manish pseud (cozen), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

Pash hopes for London Eye to blow up shockah

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:59 (fifteen years ago)

ollie from TTOI about 2 weigh in

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)

Kirsty alsop is wankered and has been snogging someone

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)

Dammit all Kirsty, wd still smash god help me

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)

Oh good, Chris Addison gets to try some of his stand-up material on us.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)

NV you disgust me

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

Possibly snogging Chris Addsion TTOI, lips are a bit red

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

Fight!

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

thick of it shd never break 4th wall

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

k that was lol ("Lazy!")

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

"THIS WEEK, JOHN MAJOR HAS HAD TO WALK A POLITICAL TIGHTROPE..."

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)

this cartoonist is to metaphor what cancer is to human dignity

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)

haha

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)

Gerald Scarfe giving Brandt the Physical Cartoonist a run for his money

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)

Cartoonist has drawn Cameron as cartoon George Sanders in All About Eve.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)

woah, Bradshaw holds, he was supposed to be a definite goner

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:03 (fifteen years ago)

Do we like him or not?

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:04 (fifteen years ago)

"THIS WEEK, JOHN MAJOR HAS HAD TO WALK A POLITICAL TIGHTROPE..."
:-)

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:04 (fifteen years ago)

Lab hold in Gedling - fairly high on Tories target seats I believe, well within what they would need for an overall majority. On the other hand, Kingswood was well outside it.

v interesting result. Lab -6% but all to BeanP & UKIP. Tories flat-lined.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)

Bradshaw was the cabinet member most likely to lose iirc - unfortunately good news for Balls

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCPRqmMsKYI

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)

Right, I'm going to bed within 5 mins. Can whoever it was upthread with the magic spreadsheet give me another updated projection before then, please?

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:06 (fifteen years ago)

Right, I'm going to bed within 5 mins. Can whoever it was upthread with the magic spreadsheet give me another updated projection before then, please?

― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:06 (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

CON 315
LAB 240
LD 63

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)

they need to liven this shit up

bring back mandy

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)

lol everyone sounds mangled at the Glasgow East count - pretty sure I heard someone shouting 'CUNT' at the 8np guy

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)

pretty raucous in Glasgow
ha xp

p-dog, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)

Dunno, BNP dude throwing some shapes there was pretty entertaining.

xxp

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)

Cheers Meowsy. I'm done.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:10 (fifteen years ago)

(I mean cheers for the projection, not cheers because I'm the BNP-shape-throwing dude)

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:10 (fifteen years ago)

what's the harshed part of glasgow?

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)

*harshest

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)

y'knaa, in amongst all this acrimony and hilarity I'd like to pour one out for the Lib Dems: 2nd Party in 2010

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)

cuz that was raucous

fash asping churchill nagl

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)

aping, aspily

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)

That was it. Might as well have held count at the Barras.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:13 (fifteen years ago)

glasgow ftw

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:13 (fifteen years ago)

Hull results expected soon apparently NV. See what you've been missing.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:14 (fifteen years ago)

the falcon cannae give a fuck about the falconer

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:14 (fifteen years ago)

all the Glasgow counts are in the same place, so lots more action to come

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:14 (fifteen years ago)

my constituency was supposed to be a marginal - Labour have taken it by about 9,000

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:14 (fifteen years ago)

Glasgow East is pretty rough. They gave Labour a kick in the arse in the last by-election but have gone back to them big time tonight.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)

That's some serious swing back to Labour in Glasgow East, btw.

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)

CON gain Loughborough, which may be home to the ugliest people in England, so fair play there.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)

Mrs V was 3rd at the poll this morning to keep out our bell-end Lib-Dem candidate so my conscience is semi-clear

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)

also lol Meowsy OTMFM

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)

did u finally vote nv

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)

fash asping churchill nagl

B-side to Big New Prinz, I believe.

Swings kinda settling down into exit poll projection?

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)

I used to stay with friends on Gallowgate in the mid-'90s and it was pretty bleak. But fun.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)

no I wrote FAUST ARP on top of the paper then ticked it

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:17 (fifteen years ago)

a marginal with Labour at 6/4 too xp to self

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:17 (fifteen years ago)

loooool

xp

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:17 (fifteen years ago)

should've wrote PANDA BEAR probly

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:17 (fifteen years ago)

That's some serious swing back to Labour in Glasgow East, btw.

aye, from -300 two years ago to + 12000 tonight

Tories losing votes everywhere in Scotland so far. I can see them losing their one MP.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:18 (fifteen years ago)

Can't imagine a Tory government with no Scottish mandate oh hang on

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:18 (fifteen years ago)

It's all kicking off in Glasgow. An actual punch up happening at the count. Bloody mental. #ge2010
4 minutes ago via web

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:19 (fifteen years ago)

This is what I'll miss when Cameron and Salmond strike a seedy behind the scenes deal for Scottish independence in 18 months time.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, I think also Glasgow East shows no fucking about. Labour in (possibly even up) everywhere just to make sure you're not the random SNP/Lib Dem constituency that gives the Tories the win.

xpost

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)

YAY LEMBERT!!!!!

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:21 (fifteen years ago)

Lembit RIP, must be a conspiracy.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:22 (fifteen years ago)

oh man

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

RIP Lembit

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

If only Daily Sport Stunna Headley Lamarr had been there to rally the faithful

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

what a disaster for quality journalism

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

Lembit Opik beaten by a Tory :-/

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

Sure our man will find some way to fill his days

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:24 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvic94pqnHk

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:24 (fifteen years ago)

What a disaster for Daily Sport Stunnas everywhere.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:24 (fifteen years ago)

wtf Wales?

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:24 (fifteen years ago)

Welsh = racist

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:25 (fifteen years ago)

It's the ILX wot won it

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:25 (fifteen years ago)

this BBC coverage is almost as shit as Nu-Google

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:26 (fifteen years ago)

Wales ushering in a new era. Bastards.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:26 (fifteen years ago)

OK, when Dimbleby went off to gain Welsh opinion from Sian Lloyd, I thought it was going to be Lembit's ex Sian Lloyd, not this other Sian Lloyd.

ailsa, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:26 (fifteen years ago)

fuck basildon

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:27 (fifteen years ago)

thank fuck for scotland.

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:27 (fifteen years ago)

"Cpmmonly known as Def Jeff"

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:28 (fifteen years ago)

not at a tv. Any indication of how this is going so far vs. exit polls?

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:29 (fifteen years ago)

Keep thinking they're saying 'baltimore' not 'bolton north east', lol

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:29 (fifteen years ago)

not really

xp

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:29 (fifteen years ago)

boltonmore murdalancs

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:30 (fifteen years ago)

BBC streamed on Guardian website BTW.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:30 (fifteen years ago)

oh lembit opik we love you get up.

Jamer, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:31 (fifteen years ago)

So yeah, that whole 'end of two-party politics' thing looks like bullshit, right?

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:31 (fifteen years ago)

Twitter: Top Trending Topics

* Labour
* Justin Bieber
* Tories
* Tory

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:32 (fifteen years ago)

about as prescient as claims for a postracial america xp

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:33 (fifteen years ago)

So yeah, that whole 'end of two-party politics' thing looks like bullshit, right?

― Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:31 (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

Dunno, wait to see how the BNP do in Barking first.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:33 (fifteen years ago)

Gotta say I'm totally shocked that the Lib Dems had a huge score in the polls and then when the actual election happened oh hang on

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:33 (fifteen years ago)

'punditocracy' in talking shite nonshock

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:33 (fifteen years ago)

if only i'd sat thru the last 5 KILL ANDREW NEILL KILL ANDREW NEILL general elections I might've seen this KILL ANDREW NEILL coming

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:34 (fifteen years ago)

Still, good to see those Guardian and Indie endorsements proved that the dead tree media oh wait

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:34 (fifteen years ago)

Britain bottled it wrt Lib Dems I guess?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)

fucking hate the way the cbi are invoked as political archbishopric, god forbid that they might be ignored

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)

I don't mind this Andrew Neil i/view

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)

p.s. voted Lib Dem in a safe Tory seat (how do I hate you DR FOX let me count the ways). also can't see any problems with the bbc coverage, tbh i wouild never even consider watching it on ITV. also vv drunk. Drunk election = good election whatever the outcome.

Jamer, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)

intrade has tory maj 34%, whatever that's worth

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:36 (fifteen years ago)

Not so much the Archbishopric as the Mob

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:36 (fifteen years ago)

no-one has a clue is what it means xp

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:36 (fifteen years ago)

'an offer you cannot refute'

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)

Jamer good luck to you we are all fam here and I will defend to the death your right to vote for the soft-shoe Tory party.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron looking worried. Tories lose Witney?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)

ex-colleage of mine standing as LD in a currently Lab constituency, would be weird if he got in.

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:38 (fifteen years ago)

feel v. weird abt this election. gf is terrified of a tory majority but with the whole long term swings and roundabouts (not going to get an 80yr labour gvt) there's really not a better time for tory's to be in power wrt to policy differences (unless they really go insane on public spending cuts).

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:38 (fifteen years ago)

This voters-being-turned-away story feels like years ago

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:38 (fifteen years ago)

No chance of a loss in Witney, but may not be able to make intended triumphalist speech.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:39 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron baldspot alert.

xpost. my main doubt with the lib dem candidate was that he spelled matthew with only one t. serous doubts.

Jamer, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:40 (fifteen years ago)

I never really see fiona bruce, but fuck me, she is an awful newsreader.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:40 (fifteen years ago)

I was going to stay up til Walthamstow was announced but that was due 10 mins ago so fuck it I'm off to bed.

good luck uk etc

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)

Rees Mogg fails!

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)

Fiona Bruce keeps sounding like Liz Hurley in Austin Powers

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)

Annuciata Rees Mogg fails to win in Froome, a loss to comedy I think

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)

Rees Mogg fails!

― Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:41 (0 seconds ago) Bookmark

^^^all we need is Zac G to fuck up as well now and I'll call this election a victory.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

~In an unprecedented move the Bond Market opened at 1 am in order to create a safe charlie-gobbling haven for addled barrow-boys

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

Still waiting on her horseface brother's fail too.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

Barra-cloff????

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

LD gain eastbourne, first good news for the LDs

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:45 (fifteen years ago)

but lose Harrogate

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:45 (fifteen years ago)

RIP Lib Dem Harrogate MP Greg Mulholland, I met you once and you had really really greasy hair.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:45 (fifteen years ago)

jesus eastbourne is the most tory place in the world
it makes totteridge look like phnom penh

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:46 (fifteen years ago)

william hague about to be delivered

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:46 (fifteen years ago)

amniotic fluid washing oer paxman's lap

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:46 (fifteen years ago)

CON HOLD Yorkshire East, cool, that shd keep the barbarians outside the gate.

Meanwhile, here's 20 pints-a-night Billy Hague

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)

very ugly baby

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)

conservatives just now got the share of popular vote according to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/default.stm

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)

you never see him and Corgan in the same place together, do you?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:48 (fifteen years ago)

DAILY STAR STUNNA

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:48 (fifteen years ago)

it's ya boy lembit!

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:48 (fifteen years ago)

siamese dreamtwins

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:48 (fifteen years ago)

Aight, Lembit's on the stick now, quieten down.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:48 (fifteen years ago)

he is an idiot

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)

very fkn bad dream tho

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)

i love how he looks like he doesn't give a shit.

also, time gentlemen please

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)

dignified as ever

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)

Something quite poignant to see him cut his departure speech in a darkened hall while dudes are trying to tidy up behind him.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)

He'll be on the sofa with Portillo and Dianne Abbott with the month

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:50 (fifteen years ago)

And after that, they might get him on The Politics Show as well.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:50 (fifteen years ago)

imagine if some dopey dipshit who only appeared on Have I Got News For You got a senior political job on the strength of his comedy value etc etc

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:50 (fifteen years ago)

recount in edgebaston

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:50 (fifteen years ago)

What's going to happen then? Doesn't seem so good for the Tories, much to my surprise.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:51 (fifteen years ago)

Is it wrong that I can't even imagine thinking the things that the Tories think, let alone imagine voting for them. Also, what happened to all the cunce that said they would vote lib dem? booo.

When is dimbleby going to get Gore Vidal on the satelite link, I REALLY need to know what he thinks.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:52 (fifteen years ago)

clegg gave the tories a hostage to fortune and hague has a luger at its head kind of thing

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:52 (fifteen years ago)

conservaties 700 ahead in overall vote. Don't really know why i care abt this so much. Maybe bargaining power in hung parliament?

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:52 (fifteen years ago)

What's going to happen then? Doesn't seem so good for the Tories, much to my surprise.

― Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:51 (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

Cameron bros down with some wacky Protestant types for the next five years, world keeps spinning, NI contributions increased to subsidise Rangers season tickets.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:52 (fifteen years ago)

Hague has a lager at his head amirite?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:53 (fifteen years ago)

cameron has the protuberant forehead common to lassana diarra and certain large pelagic mammals

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:54 (fifteen years ago)

NI contributes pretty largely to rangers tickets rite now

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:55 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.hiyoooo.com/

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:55 (fifteen years ago)

http://images.gofishn.com/media_files/28947/05_full_600.jpg

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:56 (fifteen years ago)

hahaaa

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:56 (fifteen years ago)

L-R: Cameron, Clear Blue Water

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)

come on druid guy, beat Cameron

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)

cameron has a tiny tiny mouth though, I think that's part of what makes him so repulsilve.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:58 (fifteen years ago)

Is that Boss Hog next to Cameron?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:58 (fifteen years ago)

like how "Wessex Regionalists" has a pleasing echo of "mentalists" about it

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:58 (fifteen years ago)

Why is this guy reading the figures out like that?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:58 (fifteen years ago)

FUCK ME I THOUGHT DON ESTELLE WAS DEAD???

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:59 (fifteen years ago)

Hogg

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:59 (fifteen years ago)

whitney UKIPer called Tolstoy Nikalaiovitch

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:59 (fifteen years ago)

dcam wearing his cornflower blue tie today

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:00 (fifteen years ago)

Three three seven one... two... nine.. wtf

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:00 (fifteen years ago)

d-cam kinda treading water/ignoring the issue

he's thanking his agent WHAT IS THIS, THE OSCARS amirite?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:00 (fifteen years ago)

BNP have taken 1.8% of the vote nationwide so far. Just an fyi.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:01 (fifteen years ago)

Liam Fox keeps his seat :(

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:01 (fifteen years ago)

lib dems have 20.3% of the vote but only 9 seats. FPTP LOL

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:01 (fifteen years ago)

tho PR is a huge lol too. BNP 1.8-1.9% of vote etc.

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:02 (fifteen years ago)

"It was a campaign I went into with a 28-point lead in opinion polls..."

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:02 (fifteen years ago)

THank fuck they didn't need to make negative points about others.

Cameroon sounds shook here.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:02 (fifteen years ago)

i don't know if i'm getting boring yet, but i would like to say that my parents lived in Cameron's constituency when I was born, douglas Hurd was MP then, probably. What does that mean? P.S. I hate Cameron.

xpost. my nan was a big fan of Don Estelle, and as a result i am the proud owner of a signed Don Esetelle LP.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:02 (fifteen years ago)

Tories about to overtake...forever

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:03 (fifteen years ago)

when's the counting supposed to be finished? have to get up at 7.30am. fuck.

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:03 (fifteen years ago)

Did he say they're on target to win more seats than they have for 80 years? That's blatantly not right, surely?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:03 (fifteen years ago)

Every time I hear that a few hundred or even couple thousand in a const. have voted BNP I'm shocked. I guess bigger numbers become meaningless yet because I can picture 500 people it seems mental that that many would vote BNP.

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:04 (fifteen years ago)

xxpost

Son, this won't finish this week

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:04 (fifteen years ago)

Tories won 397 seats in 1983 - they're not getting anywhere near that.

Labour holding on to lead! 78-77! Come on!

xp

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:05 (fifteen years ago)

this talk of a potential LD-con coalition making me ill

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:05 (fifteen years ago)

aye, right enough.
xxp

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:06 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby sounds like Alan Green when he's praying for a Liverpool draw now

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:06 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron in talks w/Boss Hogg to form a Conservative/Monster Raving Loony Party coalition govt

Hang Parliament (DavidM), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:07 (fifteen years ago)

no sense of real drama = no clear narrative for bbc tards to cleave to, makes their job a little bit harder for a change

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:07 (fifteen years ago)

Darling getting roundly booed for shaving off his beard

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:08 (fifteen years ago)

this talk of a potential LD-con coalition making me ill

fuck clegg 4eva

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:08 (fifteen years ago)

^^^ message we can all get behind

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:09 (fifteen years ago)

Did he say they're on target to win more seats than they have for 80 years? That's blatantly not right, surely?

― Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:03 (40 seconds ago) Bookmark

by "win more seats" he means the swing, i think.

joe, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:09 (fifteen years ago)

Ismael's tory friends update: 0/2 so far, both finished second, both doing reasonably well, both fairly well beaten, neither a Rees-Mogg

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:10 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, Isle of Wight, why must you remind me of how much I hate you?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:10 (fifteen years ago)

a govt of all the talents, except for brother lembit who sadly passed away, and eric pickles who cannot move his limbs

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:10 (fifteen years ago)

btw, this shaky plane footage = VERY EXCITING.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:11 (fifteen years ago)

wonder when the first brown-refusing-to-vacate-downing-street downfall video will drop

a govt of all the talents, except for brother lembit who sadly passed away, and eric pickles who cannot move his limbs

― nakhchivan, Friday, May 7, 2010 3:10 AM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark

looooool

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:11 (fifteen years ago)

Okay real talk, have the Tories made any substantial gains yet?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:12 (fifteen years ago)

i remember reading some of gordon brown's uni papers on economics and actually being kinda excited abt him. i'm a fuck.

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:12 (fifteen years ago)

i think not

xpost

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:12 (fifteen years ago)

I think they're gaining about half of what they really need to xp

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:12 (fifteen years ago)

Second question, you've only got 2 bullets, do you do Dimbleby, Robinson, Paxman or Neill?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:13 (fifteen years ago)

neil and robinson

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:13 (fifteen years ago)

I'd probably save both for this constitutional guy

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:14 (fifteen years ago)

might use two on neil to be sure

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:14 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby twice

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:14 (fifteen years ago)

is there a better web feed than one i'm using http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/default.stm

gf is sleeping and can't have noise

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron will know what to do in this situation he can do fuck all about.

(Trick question: You kneecap Robinson then beat Andrew Neill to death with the butt of the gun)

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)

neil and dimbleby

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)

neill, paxman

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)

I'm seeing a lot of grey, shaky Tories right now

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:16 (fifteen years ago)

feels like Lab, Tories, and Lib Dems are all losing this one

p-dog, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)

Milliband has a training tache

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/defence/p_lab.stm - vulnerable labour seats.

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)

god the more lib dems i see the more i hate 'em

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)

90-89 in seats. I'm going to my bed on a Labour lead.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:18 (fifteen years ago)

Like how he pronounced "Telford" like he meant "gonnorhoea" there

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:18 (fifteen years ago)

ooh a plane taking off

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:18 (fifteen years ago)

Who's this adult baby lookin' motherfucker?

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:19 (fifteen years ago)

92-all now

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:19 (fifteen years ago)

neck & neck...

Not the real Village People, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:19 (fifteen years ago)

this is the best night ever for watching dudes who don't know wtf is going on

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:19 (fifteen years ago)

one way of putting it

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)

Just realised I'm watching an event that's going to have no actual outcome or progression live.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)

lipread "you exercise no such inhibition"

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)

united@93 by the time plane takes off

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)

And there's a shot of some Ryanair aircrafts.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)

Liam Fox, I hate you, stop repeating the stupid, and blatantly wrong Tory talking point, and please start sorting out the Portishead railway business.
It's getting a bit too close for my liking now.
robinson, Neil for the bullets, the reason being goggle eyes and wig. paxman and dimbleby are 100% cool in my books

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)

Just realised I'm watching an event that's going to have no actual outcome or progression live.

― Meowsy McDermott, Friday, May 7, 2010 3:20 AM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark

LIKE A [NAME OF BAND/FOOTBALL TEAM YOU DISLIKE] GIG/GAME

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:22 (fifteen years ago)

"I've shaken hands with a Tory" yeah right "hands"

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:22 (fifteen years ago)

96-94 - I'm staying up till someone hits 100 and declaring them the winners.

97...

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:22 (fifteen years ago)

HisMay OTM

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:22 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby kinda like watching Bobby Heenan on Nitro broadcasts after he discovered the mini bar.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:23 (fifteen years ago)

i'd think a tory maj will be shown (im)possible within an hour or two

then it could go on for weeks

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:24 (fifteen years ago)

98-97 fuck you "CORRECTION"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:24 (fifteen years ago)

Has anybody got a definitive list of Brits who are posting on LJ's album poll right now so's I can SB them?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:24 (fifteen years ago)

98-98

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:24 (fifteen years ago)

Con fuck WANTAGE

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:24 (fifteen years ago)

sb everyone to be sure

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:25 (fifteen years ago)

101-99 they're flying up now!

p-dog, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:25 (fifteen years ago)

Tories won 100-99 it in the home straight. See you all in the brave new dawn :(

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:25 (fifteen years ago)

Has anybody got a definitive list of Brits who are posting on LJ's album poll right now so's I can SB them?

― NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:24 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Gordon Brown has opened discussions w/regard to building a coalition government with Uncle Tupelo.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:26 (fifteen years ago)

lib dems: please try and not lose seats to tires, ok thx bye

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:27 (fifteen years ago)

Tories won 100-99 it in the home straight. See you all in the brave new dawn :(

Don't know what you're worried about, you'll be in the Socialist Caledonian Republic by next December

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:27 (fifteen years ago)

tires = tories
me = drunk

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:27 (fifteen years ago)

CLEGGMANIA

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:28 (fifteen years ago)

fuckin south-east englahd

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)

Paxman was being weirdly gentle with David Miliband given he has a chance of being our surprise next Prime Minister.

Tories have just overtaken Labour on number of seats. They may streak ahead as the big rural seats come in.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)

"Nick Clegg is yet another person in a motorcar..."

Lovin' Dimbleby's annoyance

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby disapproves of hedges

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby comes out against hedges, following up his banana republic comments

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)

fuck Newton Abbott was close

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:30 (fifteen years ago)

lol Hull North is on a recount I feel so guiltless

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)

al murray and bill wyman

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)

thanks bbc!

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)

fuck me I thought Bill Wyman was dead

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)

looool

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)

Nick Clegg is being filmed sitting in a stationary car, obscured by some hedges. Now that's what I call an apt metaphor.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:32 (fifteen years ago)

looking forward to hear what this drug-addled paedo ex-pat has to say tho

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:32 (fifteen years ago)

Drunk people on a boat = good television

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:32 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Rawnsley is raddled with Charlie, no question

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:33 (fifteen years ago)

fuck me I thought Bill Wyman was dead

died in his sleep, 3.30 am 7/5 rip

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:33 (fifteen years ago)

"I grew up working class and Labour did nothing for me"

k thanks Bill...

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:33 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Rawnsley looks like WASP Al Franken.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:33 (fifteen years ago)

oh apparently there's a new electoral system based on momentum

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:34 (fifteen years ago)

over-rated film btw

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:34 (fifteen years ago)

looking forward to hear what this drug-addled paedo ex-pat has to say tho

charles moore rip

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:34 (fifteen years ago)

lol considered that gag

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:35 (fifteen years ago)

I'll bet cash money Neill hasn't been CRB'd tho

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:35 (fifteen years ago)

Harrison Birtwistle wins Burnley! Fuck you BNP philistines!

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:36 (fifteen years ago)

Dave Dimbleby really is a sniffy twat

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:36 (fifteen years ago)

h8 clegg

this hostage to fortune thing is becoming a thing [via robinson and dimbleby being tory cunts]

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:37 (fifteen years ago)

amazed burnley went ld but yeah corrupt outgoing labour etc

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:37 (fifteen years ago)

if clegg goes tory he'll basically displace quisling from the dictionary

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:38 (fifteen years ago)

not that all those ardent cleggkidz shd be so surprised obv

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:38 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems are, and have always been, Tory friendly.

Yay Don Estelle again

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:39 (fifteen years ago)

fiona keeps saying the only "significant" scalp is some irish dude

did lemmo die in vain?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:40 (fifteen years ago)

Yo, it's been real, but 3:40am is where I tap out. Looking forward to waking up to a coalition gov't of Griffin, Galloway, Farrage and Rantzen. Peace out.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:40 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dem candidate in Carlisle does not look well

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:41 (fifteen years ago)

Tories hitting about 2/3rds of their targets so far. 70 gains seems likely.

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:42 (fifteen years ago)

fuck carlisle, u can drown

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:42 (fifteen years ago)

when do we get to see Balls get the big E?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:43 (fifteen years ago)

Exit poll looking pretty spot on so far

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:43 (fifteen years ago)

Cons hold Mole Valley. The bastards.

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)

labour 47 - cons 122 in england - only 16 seats left in scotland
northeast england - total labour so far still has 12 left
northwest england has 57 left but is going 2/1 cons. so far

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)

saramojtehed: labour holds rochdale...guess bigotgate blew over!

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:45 (fifteen years ago)

wishing I'd bought that When the Boat Comes In box set now

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:46 (fifteen years ago)

assuming everywhere south of that will be heavy conservatie. poss. because i'm a dick/idiot.

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)

http://tinyurl.com/3xm2rk6

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)

who is kirsty wark talking to?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg looks good for a guy who's lost next week's rent in the bandits.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)

there hasn't been many eg inner london constituencies yet tho

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)

wafer-thin mint for eric pickles please

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)

wark just brings her own mic everywhere

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)

This immigrant is here to say Rochdale held by Labour.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)

46/59 declared in Scotland, not a seat changing hands

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:49 (fifteen years ago)

Alistair Darling looks like he's about to go “fuck this, I'm off to bed".

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:49 (fifteen years ago)

it's still okay, they haven't drawn the Powerball yet

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:50 (fifteen years ago)

If only somebody could post an hilariously re-dubbed video of Hitler to Youtube

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:50 (fifteen years ago)

was gonna bow out at the 100 mark, now waiting til 325 declare. what r chances of seeing Nick Griffin lose by then, I wonder

p-dog, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:50 (fifteen years ago)

maitlis is fkn weak

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)

this guy on now, I hate him

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)

LD gain a red car

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)

First time I've ever seen 'Eric Pickles' and 'wafer thin' in the same sentance, lol amirite?

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)

cambridge represent

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)

NIce and sunny there at the minute

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:52 (fifteen years ago)

k I'm gonna neck a proper G&T, some sizzurp, couple of Valerians and a big old rollie, then twat the first Tory-looking boy that wanders past on the street.

Dimbleby might wanna consider the xenophobia of his "I thought this was America" whining btw

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:53 (fifteen years ago)

srsly where is South Holland & Deepings?

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:54 (fifteen years ago)

evan harris (LD, oxford) in recount

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:54 (fifteen years ago)

surprised and disappointed at the number of seats i can't place but yeah sometimes they don't have the name of the conurbation you'd associate with them

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:57 (fifteen years ago)

ahhhhhhhhhh FUK U BNP LOSERS

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:58 (fifteen years ago)

I think they shd keep Brown as party leader for the next 5 years mainly cos I'm feeling groggy and masochistic

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:58 (fifteen years ago)

whaaat? explain xpost

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 02:59 (fifteen years ago)

I am worried for Jon Cruddas in Dagenham, looks like the fascists won't win Barking though.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:59 (fifteen years ago)

hodge wins barking (prob)

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 02:59 (fifteen years ago)

john terry's suffered enough this year and now this

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)

bnp not second there either

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)

Cruddas losing his seat wd kind of sum up this shitehouse gov tbh.

Assumed Enrique was responding to Dave Davies being on the telly

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)

vermin got a chance in stoke central tho

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:01 (fifteen years ago)

nah i thought i herd BNP came third in barking not first like sum ppl were predicting

xp

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:02 (fifteen years ago)

Have any ministers gone yet?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:02 (fifteen years ago)

bill rammell

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:04 (fifteen years ago)

fuck it. off to bed, can't be bothered watching tory lead grow. shoulda just played a couple of hours of football manager and went to bed tbh.

toastmodernist, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:04 (fifteen years ago)

Anyone still up who has to work tomorrow?

Starting to think that a useless, compromised minority Tory govt is the best way fwd for the centre-left at this point but the worst result for the country.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:09 (fifteen years ago)

I was waiting for Ed Balls to crash & burn, but it looks like a recount and he'll probably win anyway

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:11 (fifteen years ago)

balls possibly heading for a patten moment rather than a portillo.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)

"Were you still up for Balls?" = I wish Frankie Howerd was still alive

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)

I'm working at about 10 am btw

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)

Anyone still up who has to work tomorrow?

working at 7am tomorrow. It's overtime so i can just fuck off home at anytime and in any case i'm limited in the hours i can do so won't be there until later than 1pm. Still a bit stupid to still be awake but after 2 o'clock or so i decided it was the best idea; having less than 4 hours sleep never does much for me.

Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)

No sleep till Hammersmith

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)

Looking very bad for Ed Balls but I'd take that if it means he isn't a leadership contender.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:13 (fifteen years ago)

misunderstood "Editor, Private Eye" & tht that dude had a really exciting professional life

coining (Lamp), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:14 (fifteen years ago)

I think lord gnome is one of a long line of people rumpled by a rampant rutting kirsty alsop this evening

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:15 (fifteen years ago)

Ian Hislop's "if you're going to be unpopular why not spread the blame around?" seeming like a lone voice of reason right now.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:16 (fifteen years ago)

I'm not working tomorrow but I don't cope well with late nights whether I'm working or not. I'm reduced to looking up profiles of failed candidates - I liked this one from dear Annunziata's bio: "She fought the 2005 general election in Aberavon, South Wales, where she increased the Conservative vote by 34%, from 2,096 to 3,064"

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:16 (fifteen years ago)

i don't have a proper job but shouldn't be up now even still

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:18 (fifteen years ago)

Blunkett did well conceding defeat before midnight

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:19 (fifteen years ago)

Labour not exactly fending off the Tory gains right now; Gedling has been the only English Lab hold out of the Con top 100 targets for about the last two hours. This is going to be quite close...

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:21 (fifteen years ago)

I think there's a limited amount of political mileage to be had from pointing out that the Tories have not walked this, it's a petty victory compared to (ulp) 97

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:21 (fifteen years ago)

Good work bigging up the massive LD swing that's set to win them a huge gain in seats

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:22 (fifteen years ago)

Anyone still up who has to work tomorrow?

hi dere (pretty loose def of 'work' notwithstanding)

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:23 (fifteen years ago)

I shouldn't have believed them when they said the Brighton Pav result was going to be announced at 2.00. They're now talking about 5.30 - think the Hove and Brighton Kemptown ballot boxes got mixed up or something, dozy fuxors.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:23 (fifteen years ago)

evan harris loses dayum

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)

Goole and Corby, 2 places you'd really wanna run

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)

Labour not exactly fending off the Tory gains right now; Gedling has been the only English Lab hold out of the Con top 100 targets for about the last two hours. This is going to be quite close...

this is worrying tbh, if u assume tories can prob get 10 assorted freaks to support them

rip evan

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:25 (fifteen years ago)

sex-oriented popular novelist louise bagshawe is now an mp

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:25 (fifteen years ago)

Still feeling that the LD showing is kinda sad but mostly lol

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:25 (fifteen years ago)

THAT's LIFE

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:26 (fifteen years ago)

LibDems losing Oxford West is a huge fuckup for them. They might have been better off had Clegg not done so well in the first debate.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:26 (fifteen years ago)

Anyone still up who has to work tomorrow?

hi dere (pretty loose def of 'work' notwithstanding)

― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 6 May 2010 22:23 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not even midnight yet

Labour get Chesterfield

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)

Hahaha Esther Rantzen pwned.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)

Green Party tit looks like Little Cook

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)

ESTHER RANTZEN NOT ELECTED

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)

why all this attention on luton... oh right esther

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)

ESTHER RANTZEN NOT ELECTED

xpost but it still stands

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:28 (fifteen years ago)

Esther got four times the other independent, to be fair

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:28 (fifteen years ago)

"Unmarked, 58. Nate Dogg, 2,465"

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:29 (fifteen years ago)

future of the LDs and their leadership looks crazy. hard to say clegg underperformed, in a way, but uh

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:29 (fifteen years ago)

im just gonna say it: sam cam is doin' something

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:29 (fifteen years ago)

I can hear birdsong, does that mean I have to go to bed now?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:30 (fifteen years ago)

gestating? simpering? shitting self? xp

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:30 (fifteen years ago)

Sam Cam = Slam no doubt

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:31 (fifteen years ago)

robinson/dimbleby still being outrageously partisan

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:31 (fifteen years ago)

I like the dress, but on anyone but her.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:31 (fifteen years ago)

SENSATIONAL NEWS - TORIES HOLD KENSINGTON

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:31 (fifteen years ago)

eric pickles? xp

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:31 (fifteen years ago)

AWESOME, Mark Oaten's on, thank fuck I saved all my scat gags

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:32 (fifteen years ago)

This is going to go on for days, why am I still up?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:32 (fifteen years ago)

G senior is the local tory malcolm tucker so i have to stay up to see which of us will be gloating

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:33 (fifteen years ago)

almost all of london yet to declare

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:33 (fifteen years ago)

Jack Straw looks battered

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:33 (fifteen years ago)

YES, Put Eric pickles in purple empire line, definitely got my vote.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:34 (fifteen years ago)

fuck me there's some student twunts bellowing god save the queen outside

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:34 (fifteen years ago)

Eating crisps and drinking wine at 4:35am. This is the life, eh? It won't be like this under the Tories.

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:35 (fifteen years ago)

bucket of water, ASAP

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:35 (fifteen years ago)

ordinarily wouldn't pay attention but Thursday isn't an AU night

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:35 (fifteen years ago)

Jacqui Smith gets stuffed.

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:36 (fifteen years ago)

Jacqui Smith comprehensively drubbed there

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:36 (fifteen years ago)

fuck

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:36 (fifteen years ago)

O jacqui, i hate you but I love you

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:36 (fifteen years ago)

Ouch!

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:36 (fifteen years ago)

she's an idiot but still

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

shocker

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

Eating crisps and drinking wine at 4:35am. This is the life, eh? It won't be like this under the Tories.

Looking forward to the MD 20/20 revival

LMAO JACQUI SMITH'S GONE

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

can't say I'll shed a tear for her

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

Luckily she has cloned herself and stood as the tory candidate too.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

What a disaster for corrupt right-wing wankers

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

Jacqui Smith is out. Replaced by a Tory who looks exactly like Jacqui Smith.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:38 (fifteen years ago)

Nice German Expressionist vibe from Dewsbury Borough Council here

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:38 (fifteen years ago)

Das Kabinet der Doktor Tory Kunt

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:39 (fifteen years ago)

gw pabst blue ribbon

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:39 (fifteen years ago)

RE jacqui smith, does being beaten by yourself turn you blind?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:39 (fifteen years ago)

con gain worcester

cons *had* worcester?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:40 (fifteen years ago)

sry i mean labour had it. getting tired.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:40 (fifteen years ago)

Bit mean-spirited not to thank her husband I reckon

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:41 (fifteen years ago)

Sure he canvassed hard

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:41 (fifteen years ago)

watching jacqui makes me want to buy brick-wall effect wallpaper

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:41 (fifteen years ago)

BALLS HELD

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:41 (fifteen years ago)

well that was worth waiting up for then

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:42 (fifteen years ago)

dewsbury is a rly deprived area innit? yet tory, now

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:42 (fifteen years ago)

I'm going to bed now, and so should all of you

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:43 (fifteen years ago)

Evan Harris was, I think, the only MP I actually liked, do i have a case with the PCC RE. the Odone article calling him DR DEATH?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:45 (fifteen years ago)

Not really, PCC rules are really weak, Odone is an awful human being

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)

this thread is tl;dr but can i just say fuck everyone of my absolutely mental fucking right wing co-workers

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:47 (fifteen years ago)

hxc politcos only from now on

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:47 (fifteen years ago)

fuck them, yeah xp

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:47 (fifteen years ago)

Word is that Ed Balls has squeaked back in?

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:48 (fifteen years ago)

evan h, who i met very briefly once or twice, seems decent and had a fine education. missed all the euthanasia stuff.

liking these shots of the m11 if that is the m11

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:48 (fifteen years ago)

Harry Ramsden's is fckin bullshit btw

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:49 (fifteen years ago)

BALLS UP

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:50 (fifteen years ago)

And heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Balls

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:50 (fifteen years ago)

h8 ed balls

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:51 (fifteen years ago)

jesus is it the drink & seratonin depletion or is ed balls' re-election a rly happy thing?

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:51 (fifteen years ago)

you're on better booze than me mister

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)

I like how the set looks like an 80s Howard Brent thing tho

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)

charles clarke got sonned

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:53 (fifteen years ago)

Hang on, we might see Charles Clarke go, that'll do

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:54 (fifteen years ago)

i mean... i don't want a tory majority but he basically is a tory

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:54 (fifteen years ago)

AFAIK Harris said that people should be able to die if they want to, and the daily mail/tory press painted this as "DR DEATH SENTENCES THE ELDERLY AND THE INFIRM TO CERTAIN AND PAINFUL DEATH" that is the euthanasia stuff

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:54 (fifteen years ago)

Well that's worth a scotch and ginger biscuit

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAH IN YOUR FACE CLARKE

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)

dead home secretaries day

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)

A Paul Newman Ginger Biscuit no less

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)

this scotch is bad but really no scotch is bad

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:56 (fifteen years ago)

it was among the home secretaries, real greaseball shit

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:56 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby is emasculated by this hung business

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:57 (fifteen years ago)

fiona bruce is like the delphic oracle if the delphic oracle only talked rly obvious shit

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:57 (fifteen years ago)

Has John Reid's seat been declared yet? Love to see him go.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:58 (fifteen years ago)

found wrapped in cellophane in a gorbals tenement

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:59 (fifteen years ago)

rip

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:59 (fifteen years ago)

omlg lord ashcroft!

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:00 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Neill is gonna give him such an easy ride. How can Ashcroft blame the debates when the LibDems have done so badly?

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:01 (fifteen years ago)

lab hold islington south

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:02 (fifteen years ago)

Fiona Bruce almost works as a kind of jolly counterpoint to dimbleby, but is a little too "welcome to blenheim palace, here are some wonderful antiques".
Neil Vs. Ashcroft. Battle for the ages. tucked away at 5am.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:02 (fifteen years ago)

im just posting things off tv at this point. but islington south was p close iirc, straw in the wind, etc.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:02 (fifteen years ago)

I think they may be the only two left on the boat at the moment, ideal wreck time?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:03 (fifteen years ago)

Is Blears at risk?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:04 (fifteen years ago)

So, I'm not a Britisher, but can I pleeeeeeaaaaase punch this Lord Ashcroft bastard? He's so clearly despicable.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:04 (fifteen years ago)

haha this dude is on some supervillain shit atm

coining (Lamp), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:05 (fifteen years ago)

you want to watch what you say, he owns belize

xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:05 (fifteen years ago)

he shld be chairing the rnc on the simpsons w/ mr burns and count dracula tbh

coining (Lamp), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:05 (fifteen years ago)

still 200 seats to go i think

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:07 (fifteen years ago)

Anyone offering odds on when the next election will be? I'd put money on late October.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:08 (fifteen years ago)

ed balls being a smug fuck but i'll allow it just this once v paxman

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)

Ed Balls is managing to be that perfect combination of clueless and massively ungracious in victory. Cock.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)

Blair would have won this election, right?

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:12 (fifteen years ago)

for the tories

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:13 (fifteen years ago)

god i just texted a working person

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:13 (fifteen years ago)

Labour hold Birmingham Edgbaston, that should have been a banker for the Tories.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:14 (fifteen years ago)

fuck blair, eternally

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:14 (fifteen years ago)

phew ok they are also mental

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:15 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, 183 results to go, Tories 96 short of majority. 44 of their prime targets yet to declare - will probably take at least 30 of those plus whatever safe seats are out there.

Very tired now. Birds are singing, sky is blue. Might go for a walk. Upstairs to bed...

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:15 (fifteen years ago)

i rly hated blair but... the guy is a player

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:15 (fifteen years ago)

why the fuck are the london declarations so tardy

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:15 (fifteen years ago)

dear god this is looking worse than the exit polls... LD vote just ethered

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)

Tories have taken Hove back.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:19 (fifteen years ago)

clegg out I think

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:19 (fifteen years ago)

further disincentives to sleep

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:19 (fifteen years ago)

clegg trajectory of a v2

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:20 (fifteen years ago)

is there a constituency that rhymes with brooklyn?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:21 (fifteen years ago)

no sleep til broxtowe?

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:22 (fifteen years ago)

called already iirc (never heard of it before)

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:22 (fifteen years ago)

it looks like con / lib+lab will rely on minority parties now however

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:23 (fifteen years ago)

Sarah Teather for LD leader? If i have remembered her properly. Does she still exist? one of the only Libdems I know tbh. I like her because she is very short.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:24 (fifteen years ago)

how is kings lynn not a constituency name

boo

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:24 (fifteen years ago)

labour MPs seem to be blissfully unaware of any results bar their own

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:25 (fifteen years ago)

hammersmith is supposed to be a test case innit

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:26 (fifteen years ago)

not even close rly, good to know

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:28 (fifteen years ago)

come on mandy, put some fight in him. game faces all round.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:28 (fifteen years ago)

Labour hold Hammersmith against Sean Bailey, totem of The Modern Conservative Party. If London sticks with Labour it could be massive. That's kept me up for another hour.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:29 (fifteen years ago)

hazel blears is the living end btw

bailey seemed like a well meaning idiot from what i read

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:29 (fifteen years ago)

there is a candidate called "the black farmer"

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:31 (fifteen years ago)

Lesson here = real conservatives don't like women and black people?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:32 (fifteen years ago)

did joanne cash lose? hope so.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:33 (fifteen years ago)

labour knocked into third in cambridge, dayum

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:34 (fifteen years ago)

that, or predominantly working class areas aren't fooled by tory co-option of 'broken society' shit xxp

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:34 (fifteen years ago)

LibDem candidate for Reading is certainly showing a lot of leg...

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:36 (fifteen years ago)

beautiful light out there

one last scotch

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:40 (fifteen years ago)

yes, I think it's generally only (some) victim's families and daily mail readers that truly believe in "BROKEN BRITAIN", and elections are still mostly fought on local issues that just happen to impact on the national stage xxp

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:40 (fifteen years ago)

Still waiting for Woolass yes? And Zac Goldsmith too?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:42 (fifteen years ago)

mark oaten and chris grayling sharing space... awkeard

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:42 (fifteen years ago)

There's nothing happening out there now. Time for bed.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:43 (fifteen years ago)

yeah i'd think so, i don't rly know any working class voters but cameron talking about that shit just looks so fake, can't see anyone being convinced by it xposts

also residual memory of thatcher and eg in hammersmith's case the predations of the nu-tory council on housing etc

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:44 (fifteen years ago)

while Grayling is talking i'm spending the time watching Fiona Bruce's tiny distant head going about it's business.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:45 (fifteen years ago)

surely all these london seats aren't _that_ close yet it's 80% empty at 6am

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:45 (fifteen years ago)

it's going to be a hell of a day

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:47 (fifteen years ago)

UKIP and LDs disadvantaged in Brighton Pavilion by not being tall women.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:50 (fifteen years ago)

YOU FUCKING BEAUTY!!!

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:51 (fifteen years ago)

greens are a bit mental but im glad she won

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:51 (fifteen years ago)

GREEN! New coalition PM!?!?!?!?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:51 (fifteen years ago)

fuck! brighton typically awry but i guess it's a good thing?

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:51 (fifteen years ago)

Greens win Brighton Pavilion. Good work there.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:52 (fifteen years ago)

the brighton pavilion is pretty deranged, nominative determinism imo

look at that cunt next to goldsmith

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:53 (fifteen years ago)

almost have an aneurysm of hate over zac g

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:53 (fifteen years ago)

is that his boyfriend? or the myfamily/bt guy?

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:54 (fifteen years ago)

Zac Goldsmith's agent is everything I expect from a tory wanker

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:54 (fifteen years ago)

some sort of psychotically vile sw london raah / nj guido hybrid cunt

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:55 (fifteen years ago)

scrap trident, use the bombs on richmond

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:56 (fifteen years ago)

PS. I have no reason to believe that he has a boyfriend, other than that he is standing next to an excited man.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:56 (fifteen years ago)

Nice one in Brighton. Having spent the evening out, I'm disappointed that Labour/Lib Dem really isn't an option any more.

What the hell happened to the Lib Dems?

toby, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:58 (fifteen years ago)

griffin drubbed, but vote too high, returning officer rather pleased with the result it seems.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)

epic pwnage

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)

F U GRIFFIN! But 6000+ votes :(

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)

-2% in the bnp vote. what a fucking joke. well done bbc, though, for interviewing nick griffin on the reg all year.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:00 (fifteen years ago)

Is he still allowed to be an MEP? this confuses me. you should have to give up one elected post if you seek another, i think.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:00 (fifteen years ago)

if you collect the set they make you a Lord

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:01 (fifteen years ago)

neighbouring constituency so quite pleased they failed

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:01 (fifteen years ago)

they seem to have Kate Silverton in jacqui smith's seat, but have never once gone to her, Wark obviously too powerful.

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:04 (fifteen years ago)

better start thinking about having breakfast/showering. Work awaits :(

Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:04 (fifteen years ago)

i've been up 23 hours so...

if there is a minority tory government -- fucking hell, seriously dimbleby/robinson you tory fucks -- could lab/lib be disciplined as all hell and break them? the libs would fuck it up i guess.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:09 (fifteen years ago)

nearing 24hrs yeah but not all that tired

there still has to be an argument that it's preferable having a super-fragile lab/ld coalition cutting expenditure than a tory govt who'll do it gleefully and ideologically, all the while blaming the entire problem on brown w/ the papers' support

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:15 (fifteen years ago)

so fucking tenuous tho, electorally and then politically

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:16 (fifteen years ago)

there still has to be an argument that it's preferable having a super-fragile lab/ld coalition cutting expenditure than a tory govt who'll do it gleefully and ideologically, all the while blaming the entire problem on brown w/ the papers' support

yeah i agree. the fucking bbc wants it otherwise, however.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:17 (fifteen years ago)

A bit gutted The Citizens for Undead Rights and Equality party only received a measly 61 votes in Brighton - with a name like that. But then I voted Green so I've only got myself to blame.

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:17 (fifteen years ago)

kinda wonder when the next meaningful thing will happen... thre hours, five, seven? maybe now is the time to sleep.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:18 (fifteen years ago)

What's happened to the Buckingham vote - was supposed to declare hours ago.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:19 (fifteen years ago)

next meaningful event = Jeremy Vine playing downing street hopscotch

oh Alan Turner we love you get up (Jamer), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:20 (fifteen years ago)

A bit gutted The Citizens for Undead Rights and Equality party only received a measly 61 votes in Brighton - with a name like that. But then I voted Green so I've only got myself to blame.

Lol'ed @ Atr3id3s getting just 19 votes, that guy put some weird literature through my door. Lowest vote so far?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:22 (fifteen years ago)

this is rly slow

looks like harman back, w/e that means

need to get out now......

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:33 (fifteen years ago)

LABOUR HOLD PENISTONE

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:42 (fifteen years ago)

SkyOrla: That's it then, the night continues. Hampstead and Kilburn are having a recount. The Tories are blaming the Daily Mail.

Wonder what the story is there?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:55 (fifteen years ago)

Yawn. Good morning. Still no conclusion?

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 06:17 (fifteen years ago)

Think they go to penalties soon.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)

So that exit poll was more or less right then? (The BBC one, not the ILX one)

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 06:21 (fifteen years ago)

Looks that way.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 06:24 (fifteen years ago)

wish i woulda said 'good luck uk' in the first 50 posts, but now seems like a good time too

rahni, Friday, 7 May 2010 06:31 (fifteen years ago)

hexagons! nic3 map i get now

rahni, Friday, 7 May 2010 06:47 (fifteen years ago)

Just woken up to local result (Oxford West + Abingdon). Fuck. In bad mood now. 176 votes in it...

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:06 (fifteen years ago)

At this rate it's another election in 6 months.

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:10 (fifteen years ago)

I take it Esther Rantzen didn't win.

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:12 (fifteen years ago)

I woke up in a blue Brentford & Isleworth. It's bums.

Hurry. Up. Mandy. and DO. A. Deal.

Zoe Espera, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:13 (fifteen years ago)

Actually, I take that back. I'm in a REALLY bad mood cz ALLEGEDLY (this did not happen to me personally and so may not have happened at all, hello lawyers) the Conservative candidate - no, MP! fuck was going round doorsteps telling people not to vote for the LD candidate because he was pro-choice

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:15 (fifteen years ago)

It's not even as simple as doing a deal. It looks like it's going right to the wire: Labour + Lib Dem seats will be almost exactly equal to the Tory total, so still wouldn't be enough to get a majority.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:15 (fifteen years ago)

Democracy in action.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:16 (fifteen years ago)

Formatting fail in last post. Here is the missing -.

A deal would be lovely but an LD-involving coalition without my former MP in some science-advisory role is a rather pale shadow of what I had previously hoped. Sulk.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:17 (fifteen years ago)

lots of arguing for a year and another general election?

not_goodwin, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:18 (fifteen years ago)

Tories to declare independence for England.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:18 (fifteen years ago)

Although another way of looking at it, is that (so far) the Tories have got just under 10 million votes, the Lib Dems and Labour combined have got over 14 million.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:18 (fifteen years ago)

Guardian website down, crushed under the weight of LibDem angst.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:20 (fifteen years ago)

I'd like to take a moment to say well done, Barking.

Zoe Espera, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:25 (fifteen years ago)

I'd say this result is about the best Labour could have hoped for. Lib Dems do poorly therefore no longer an existential threat. Tories to form either minority govt or in shaky alliance with others. Facing a horrendous economic/financial situation, govt will be phenomenally unpopular and probably won't last long.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:33 (fifteen years ago)

I missed this...

This immigrant is here to say Rochdale held by Labour.

Should be 'gain' by Labour? Quite surprising.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:46 (fifteen years ago)

ftse 2% down

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:47 (fifteen years ago)

6:24 AM (Nate). To be frank, while the results are a long way from uniform, our model also doesn't seem to have demonstrated any particular skill!

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:48 (fifteen years ago)

One for me and Colonel Poo: Labour hold Walthamstow - Labour 52%, Lib Dem 29%, Conservative 14%. Not even close. I have no idea why it's taken them so long to declare that one.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:50 (fifteen years ago)

Wow Labour vote actually up in Walthamstow.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:54 (fifteen years ago)

I'm not sure when I'm gonna stop laughing at the Lib Dems, sometime next weekend maybe.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg's got a dude on him purely to keep him away from the knife drawer at this point.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)

evan harris lost (by 180 votes). what will simon singh say?! : (

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 07:59 (fifteen years ago)

So...Labour/LD coalition with a promise from Gordy to step down when the smoke's cleared and a referendum on PR in the next 12 months?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:01 (fifteen years ago)

I'm gonna get me a Thornton's ice cream on the way to work, maybe hand out a couple of shillings to random schoolkids.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:02 (fifteen years ago)

xp could be the best option but frankly I'm not expecting much from these shitwizards

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:03 (fifteen years ago)

Simon Shama - talking so quickly he was tripping over his words with the excitement of it all - thinks Cameron/Clegg more likely.

At least the foxes are save from the hounds for a few months.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:09 (fifteen years ago)

Fuck a fox tbh

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:11 (fifteen years ago)

broon out within the week though

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:12 (fifteen years ago)

Broon Oot?

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:18 (fifteen years ago)

Broon oot has been inevitable for a good long while.

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:19 (fifteen years ago)

So...Labour/LD coalition with a promise from Gordy to step down when the smoke's cleared and a referendum on PR in the next 12 months?

― NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:01 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

hope this isn't just wishful thinking btw. tories and their rags would kick off tho.

btw, where do all these conservative voters come from? I only know two people who have admitted to ever voting Tory.

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:25 (fifteen years ago)

Tories will kick off whatever, they are dripping with desperation right now. A coalition representing over 50 percent of the vote is a good line to adopt if they can make this thing happen imo

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:27 (fifteen years ago)

it would also make it close enough for the minority parties to become very significant.

also, oh no. I've just noticed the double btw in my earlier post. that's embarrassing.

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:30 (fifteen years ago)

and now a double also. fuck. need coffee.

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:30 (fifteen years ago)

btw, where do all these conservative voters come from? I only know two people who have admitted to ever voting Tory.

I know, right? Spent past many years living in one of the bluest seats in the country and STILL every time I ever heard anyone talk politics they didn't sound like one of them (admittedly in a woolly Guardian fair trade, environment + Amnesty way where I come from rather than hardcore oldschool Labour or anything).

Are there a lot of secret Tory voters, do they not mix with the likes of us, or do they not even think about politics and just tick the box every 5 years? Who are the people who thought my new apparently pro-life MP was a good idea?

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:38 (fifteen years ago)

Just woken up to local result (Oxford West + Abingdon). Fuck. In bad mood now.

aw shit evan harris was a real good guy.

I had gained ten lewis (ledge), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:40 (fifteen years ago)

Oh hey, well done Caroline Lucas, there is some good news this morning (sure this is in this thread somewhere but I'm only just catching up)

(plus the other half who doesn't care for politics laughed on finding out that blue-kerbstoned union-flags-everywhere East Belfast had elected a nominally non-unionist party)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:43 (fifteen years ago)

aw shit evan harris was a real good guy.

Yeah, plus heard Tory replacement doing some am fucking dram singing post-victory on the Today programme, chalk one up for the shits of Britain.

woof, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:45 (fifteen years ago)

Officially a hung parliament - not that that's actually news but the Beeb is reporting it anyway.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:46 (fifteen years ago)

btw, where do all these conservative voters come from? I only know two people who have admitted to ever voting Tory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:48 (fifteen years ago)

Tory replacement for EH didn't go (or send a representative) to the university hustings which all the other candidates turned up for - guess this is kind of a big deal in Oxford, though admittedly most of the university votes were given to Oxford East in boundary change.

(lonely woman in her office thinking up conspiracy theories baout electoral boundary commission)

plus there was some rather spiteful anonymous leafletting abt "Dr Death"/abortions which was of course anonymous so who could say whether it is related to the rest of my post

(2xpost)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 08:49 (fifteen years ago)

Naive NI question: what are the DUP going to be asking for from the Tories? Is it cash for the province or will there be an uh ideological element to their demands? Can they try to wangle eg marching freedoms from Westminster, or is that stuff a Stormont issue?

woof, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:20 (fifteen years ago)

Beeb blog ticker now says LD + Con is the only option left for a stable govt - the other "others" are not sufficient, and Labour too short to do anything - but Beeb video news feed is still talking about Lib/Lab coalition. What goes on?

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:23 (fifteen years ago)

yeah that nick robinson post sounds totally definitive but he doesn't show his reasoning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2010/05/one_potential_s.html

Nick Robinson | 09:50 UK time, Friday, 7 May 2010

There is only one potential stable majority available. That is a combination of the Conservatives and the Lib Dems.

The question, therefore, is what terms will David Cameron offer and what will Nick Clegg accept. Oh, and one other thing, will their parties accept their proposals?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:27 (fifteen years ago)

going to post first, read thread later but

a) I have not slept all night

b) I am voting Green at the next election

c) TOP THREE MOMENTS OF BBC COVERAGE:

3) Kirsty Allsopp and Chris Addison basically preparing to have rampant sex, about 12.30 am

2) Jeremy Vine IN THE VIRTUAL HOUSE OF COMMONS OMG, about 5am

1) Paxo and Miliband D, 3.20am, over a dodgy connection

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:28 (fifteen years ago)

Well, I'll be moving to Brighton.

Still can't believe this:

Just woken up to local result (Oxford West + Abingdon). Fuck. In bad mood now.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:30 (fifteen years ago)

So glad I didn't stay up to see the expected Bethnal Green & Bow result at 3am, as they just started counting.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:32 (fifteen years ago)

Oh yeah, biggest WTF of night by a mile was the downfall of Dr Death (it was Odone what won it)

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:32 (fifteen years ago)

I was ready to get up, leave my friend's house and fucking kerb-stamp some Tories at that moment

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:33 (fifteen years ago)

3) Kirsty Allsopp and Chris Addison basically preparing to have rampant sex, about 12.30 am

eh? i thought he looked horrified at everything she said.

despite that addison sort of proved himself to be as vacuous as i'd always imagined. at first i felt for him - no one drinking after midnight comes off well being interviewed on TV - but then i remembered he'd actually agreed to be on a fucking boat on the thames with andrew neil and joan collins and about 500 tv cameras.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:33 (fifteen years ago)

Fermanagh and South Tyrone is pretty damn close:

I am hearing from the count for Fermanagh South Tyrone that the SDLP vote has collapsed and that for ages Michelle Gildernew was ahead. However, at the end Rodney Connor pulled back and finished 8 votes ahead. Sinn Fein entirely reasonably has demanded a recount. Update: recount Sinn Fein 2 ahead Further update: counting suspended until morning, Sinn Fein seeking legal advice. It seems to all come down to interpretations about the doubtful ballots.

(Gildernew = Sinn Fein; Connor = "independent" unionist candidate selected by DUP/UUP/Conservatives to stand as sole vote-uniting unionist - SF supporters pretty pissed off that SDLP didn't draw out in retaliation)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:35 (fifteen years ago)

When I was going to bed, the last thing I saw was a local Sarf London tweet about Tories leading in one of Streatham's wards so I was practically suicidal at voting Green. Woke up quite relieved to see that wasn't true, and then saw the rest of the results.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:35 (fifteen years ago)

eh? i thought he looked horrified at everything she said.

there was real animal magnetism there. drunken lust. she was literally about to pounce on him.

number 3) can be amended to Zac Goldsmith's Best Mate if we really must

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:40 (fifteen years ago)

but 1) and 2) were laugh-out-loud genius

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:40 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg on Beeb video feed.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:40 (fifteen years ago)

0949: Historian Peter Hennessy says the "clock is now ticking", with the parties needing to come to some sort of arrangement soon over how to deal with the spending deficit in order to ensure the markets remain calm. It's the "Mick Jagger election, with no-one getting any satisfaction," he adds.

Throw this on the bonfire with L'Oreal and Heineken.

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:43 (fifteen years ago)

Tories will kick off whatever, they are dripping with desperation right now. A coalition representing over 50 percent of the vote is a good line to adopt if they can make this thing happen imo

― NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, May 7, 2010 9:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, but the "electorate did not give con a majority, and gave the lib + lab progressive coalition nearly 50% more votes than the reactionary conservatives" narrative only works in practice if lib + lab have more than ~315 mps, which is not going to happen.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:44 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg says it's down to Conservatives to try to put together a government, calls for electoral reform

and now it's my former MP (in previous home) Ed "Royston" Vaizey

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:45 (fifteen years ago)

Only Argyll & Bute left to declare in Scotland. Hoping for a strong showing from the Scottish Jacobite Party

Some of its other views included moving the Scottish and English border southwards to run from Morecambe Bay to Flamborough Head along latitude 54 degrees, 7 minutes North (thus adding Carlisle, Durham, Sunderland, Teesside and Tyneside to Scotland). In consequence, Newcastle United F.C., Sunderland A.F.C., Middlesbrough F.C. and Carlisle United F.C. would be transferred into the Scottish Premier League

Not so happy with their "ban foreigners while making Scotland a tax haven" logic though...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Jacobite_Party

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:46 (fifteen years ago)

i voted for evan harris, but i didn't enjoy it. not his fault of course, but the twitter/fb handjobbing he's been receiving over the past month or so was ghastly.

was hoping to be given a vote in oxford east, which labour won by ~1000 votes last time. the fact that labour increased their majority to 3500 says it all about the LDs night really.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:47 (fifteen years ago)

My flatmate works at the nursery where Ed Vaizey takes his child. He is, not surprisingly, a total twat.

Really don't know what Clegg's statement means in practical terms.

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:48 (fifteen years ago)

a lot of the momentum goes out of electoral reform after this. 29% = 70 votes = you're kidding, right = electoral reform. 23% = 50 votes = what they always get = who cares.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:49 (fifteen years ago)

"votes" = MPs there

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:50 (fifteen years ago)

baiting labour xxp

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:51 (fifteen years ago)

no way clegg will resign though, which i think ed suggested was a possibility

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:51 (fifteen years ago)

Not so happy with their "ban foreigners while making Scotland a tax haven" logic though...

+ they don't even want this guy to be king. Poor fake Jacobites, wld never make Derby.

woof, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:51 (fifteen years ago)

Is there anywhere yet a transcript of what Clegg has said?

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:53 (fifteen years ago)

lol galloway

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:53 (fifteen years ago)

only Argyll & Bute left to declare in Scotland. Hoping for a strong showing from the Scottish Jacobite Party

lol'd at this and then realised there really is such a thing. Laughed again.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:53 (fifteen years ago)

fuck off galloway hahaha

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:54 (fifteen years ago)

It's the "Mick Jagger election, with no-one getting any satisfaction," he adds.

Hope this doesn't turn into a Johnny Rotten election - "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:54 (fifteen years ago)

would not kick it with ashdown, but he is a good dude

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:55 (fifteen years ago)

Galloway budging up on the sofa with Portillo and Abbott.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:58 (fifteen years ago)

Weird how John Major was a "lame duck" PM with an actual (tiny) majority yet the narrative seems to be that Cameron has a mandate to form a govt with ~30 fewer seats.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:58 (fifteen years ago)

if you'd have offered me a hung parliament and lembit opik out a year ago, i would have bitten your arm off

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:59 (fifteen years ago)

Isn't spin amazing?

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 09:59 (fifteen years ago)

kate: clegg: "it is now up to the conservative party to prove that it is capable of seeking to govern in the national interest"

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 09:59 (fifteen years ago)

if I see that woman with the gingery-red hair talking about how "disappointing" it was she couldn't vote once more, I'm going to kick a hole in my TV - you had fifteen hours in the day to do it, and besides the BBC surely have more footage they can keep recycling in their montage of "highlights"

boxedjoy, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:00 (fifteen years ago)

hmm, first time in years Hull North has been any kind of contest, and we're still well below the turnout average. KuH I love you, but you're breaking my heart.

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:01 (fifteen years ago)

xp, yes, you have all day to vote. she was there on time.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:02 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby "politics is in a right pickle" I think that's maybe putting it a little mildly

boxedjoy, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:02 (fifteen years ago)

Liberal Democrat
42.9
Conservative
42.6
Labour
8.9

Close one in Solihull.

MPx4A, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:03 (fifteen years ago)

has anyone posted a picture of the terminator dude who stood on stage behind Gordon Brown in Kirkaldy? that guy is officially the best thing about this election.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:04 (fifteen years ago)

top tip for today: gordon brown resigns this afternoon to fuck up developing con/lib negotiations

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:05 (fifteen years ago)

xp

http://imgur.com/O2nHd.jpg

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:06 (fifteen years ago)

I know this is all "stupid newbie amazed at how it works (or rather doesn't work)" but the whole running out of ballot papers/turning people away thing just seems mind-blowingly medieval to me.

I've been having a hard time finding a work-accessible feed, so thanks for the updates. I can get liveblog on the Guardian site, but most of that is commentary rather than quotes.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:07 (fifteen years ago)

I don't know whether my desire to go and bun down the Lib Dem hq on Spring Bank is tempered by my satisfaction at them showing their true blue colours or lolisfaction at the prospect of them and Cameron playing the Odd Couple for 6 hilarious months

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:07 (fifteen years ago)

bbc feed might work for you here: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/live-blogging-election-night-in-britain/?ref=global-home

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:08 (fifteen years ago)

I can't make these numbers add up at all. Minority Tory administration with autumn election seems to be in everyone's interests - they get a go as incumbents, Labour get to get shot of Brown and try to look like a professional outfit with Miliband at the helm, and the Lib Dems can't do any worse than now and won't be tainted as the ones unable to make government work. Meanwhile the public get to stick heads in the sand for another six months.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:09 (fifteen years ago)

you're forgetting that every pundit on the BBC is a mendacious Tory shitehawk

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:10 (fifteen years ago)

Aww, Sarah Teather - bless.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:10 (fifteen years ago)

Thanks, caek. I've got that and Guardian running - Guardian just updatede that they were all in an editorial meeting, hence why their feed wasn't updated.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:11 (fifteen years ago)

these swings are all over the map

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:11 (fifteen years ago)

Evening Bastard has all the London seats. Dave Rowntree got almost 9000 votes, Kate!

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:12 (fifteen years ago)

So what we're looking at is some kind of "human centipede" government?

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:13 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg didn't really have any options. A Lib/Lab coalition would in the medium term be disastrous for both parties. A weak, stumbling, divided Cameron-led govt is probably the best option for Libs and Labs right now.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:14 (fifteen years ago)

marr reporting that lab proposition lib dems will be fixed terms and AV (no mention of broon out), but lib dems will listen to cameron first.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:14 (fifteen years ago)

cameron statement at 2.30

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:14 (fifteen years ago)

ESTHER RANTZEN NOT ELECTED

― nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:27 (6 hours ago)

just scrolled thru this thread and this was probably the best moment I forgot in my sleepless stupor

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:15 (fifteen years ago)

A weak, stumbling, divided Cameron-led govt is probably the best option for Libs and Labs right now.

possibly, but six months is all cameron needs to redraw constituencies (in the name of both "electoral reform" and "whitehall waste cutting") to ensure that an autumn election delivers a thumping tory majority

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:16 (fifteen years ago)

governments don't set constituency boundaries

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:17 (fifteen years ago)

they would have to actually reform the electoral system (with a majority vote among parliaments, which they don't have, and parliament won't be sitting over the summer anyway) to do that

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:18 (fifteen years ago)

OK, I've just read the Clegg statement.

Seems like what he said is basically - "the Rules say that the Tories should try to form their government, but the Rules are broken and wrong" - is that a fair assessment?

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:18 (fifteen years ago)

Minor note that George Galloway didn't even bother to turn up to the Poplar declaration this morning. At least he's consistent.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:19 (fifteen years ago)

no, the "rules", such as they are, give labour the first pass, and clegg didn't really contradict that, but i think he's saying that conservatives have a moral right to have a first crack.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:20 (fifteen years ago)

clegg may be doing this because he knows the conservatives can't offer him his deal-breakers, but it strengthens his position with labour

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:20 (fifteen years ago)

Can Clegg make a deal without asking his party? Serious q.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:20 (fifteen years ago)

(or that may have been his plan before he lost MPs!)

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:20 (fifteen years ago)

xp, no

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:20 (fifteen years ago)

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2645

The second issue is the Liberal Democrat party’s rules. Formally Cameron and Brown have a free hand in negotiations, Clegg does not. The Southport Resolution in the Lib Dem rules requires him to get the support of 75% of the Parliamentary Liberal Democrat party, and 75% of the party’s Federal executive (and failing that the support of two-thirds of the wider party) in order to enter into any agreement that “could affect the party’s independence of political action” – taken as meaning a coalition agreement. While all the leaders would in practice need to take their parties with them, only Clegg would have such a formal process to deal with somehow.

That’s the background – beyond that, all is speculation.

UPDATE: Thanks to Mark Pack for correcting me on the mysteries of the Lib Dem rule book. If Clegg did not get the 75% support from his Parliamentary party and executive, he’d then need two-thirds support of a special conference, and then failing that, of the wider party. On the other point that has been raised, outgoing Prime Ministers have in the past offered the monarch advice on who they should invite to succeed them, however, this is informal advice (”advice with a small a” in the terms the Palace would use) that the Queen may ignore, not the formal Advice from a minister to the monarch that the Queen is compelled to follow.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:21 (fifteen years ago)

clegg may be doing this because he knows the conservatives can't offer him his deal-breakers, but it strengthens his position with labour

Let's hope, but personally I doubt that.

If Cam can get 6 months in power and go to the country, history suggests they'll win a proper majority anyway

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:22 (fifteen years ago)

I don't understand how "more people voted for NOT YOU than voted FOR YOU" = moral right.

The maths of this just seems so counterintuitive and bonkers that it's giving me a headache. But that's the point isn't it?

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

electoral system is premised on who has the most MPs, the tories have the most MPs

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:24 (fifteen years ago)

"more people voted for NOT YOU than voted FOR YOU"

^^^ i don't think a government has got more than 50% in modern times, so this happens every election

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:24 (fifteen years ago)

Most governments with huge majorities have had "more people voted for NOT YOU"

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

xp yeah what you said

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

Don't know who this LD MP is but she did not look pleased with Paxman's summary of Clegg's statement!

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

ah caek i guess i should know better than to pass on unverified "wisdom" gleaned from jonathan freedland articles. this is what i read:

If Cameron wins, he will not only thwart any move to fairer voting, he will act fast to rig the system in his favour. Even neutrals agree that his plan to cut the number of MPs by 10% – presented as a mere cost-cutting measure – will be one of the grossest acts of gerrymandering in British political history. Cameron will redraw the boundaries so that his rivals lose seats and he gains them, locking in a semi-permanent Conservative majority.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

1945: 49.71% is the closest anyone got

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:26 (fifteen years ago)

xp can he do that without legislation? because if not, it's a non-starter.

joe, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:26 (fifteen years ago)

xp - he can certainly try that, but without a majority, it's not going to get passed...

carson dial, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

Boundaries only just changed for this election - twice in one year seems unpopular (with me, anyway)

(sorry if I posted this earlier, think I cancelled a post which said more or less this + some other shite which became very much xposted)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

If Cameron wins, he will not only thwart any move to fairer voting, he will act fast to rig the system in his favour. Even neutrals agree that his plan to cut the number of MPs by 10% – presented as a mere cost-cutting measure – will be one of the grossest acts of gerrymandering in British political history. Cameron will redraw the boundaries so that his rivals lose seats and he gains them, locking in a semi-permanent Conservative majority.

this is their policy, yah, but it's the one thing they cannot possibly expect to get in a queen's speech if they try and do this thing with, say, 305 MPs.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, I realise that, caek. It's still mind-boggling to me.

Forgive me if I'm just rephrasing what everyone has said (I haven't read a 1000+ post thread) but it seems like most of the people who supported Lib Dem were going with a whole "I can't morally support Labour any more, but will NEVER vote Tory" so if Lib Dem form an alliance with the Tories, they are destroying their USP? Sorry for being Captain Obvious. I realise there isn't an easy answer here.

x-posts

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

you could imagine them trying minority government and passing their economic stuff, which lab/lib might accept based on the current urgency, but no way would they let something like that in.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:28 (fifteen years ago)

The Lib Dems have never had a USP, they're "Labour" where they need to be and Tory everywhere else

NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:29 (fifteen years ago)

Our new MP's website boasts proudly that she was home schooled :(

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:29 (fifteen years ago)

xp to kate, yeah, my impression is that a coalition with the conservatives is an impossible sell to the parliamentary and grass roots lib dems (and their voters!), which makes it a practical (not just moral) non-starter because of their party rules. my hope is that clegg knows this and is just hoping to make cameron look silly for 48 hours and get some bargaining power over labour.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:30 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron says nowt but his prayers.

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:30 (fifteen years ago)

The Lib Dems have never had a USP, they're "Labour" where they need to be and Tory everywhere else

― NAGLuck, UK (Noodle Vague), Friday, May 7, 2010 11:29 AM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the LD manifesto (the national one, not talking about the bollocks their councils get up to), is what people are, in principle, voting for, and it is demonstrably more like the labour one than it is like the conservative one.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:31 (fifteen years ago)

The Lib Dems have never had a USP, they're "Labour" where they need to be and Tory everywhere else

We were bombarded with Lib Dem propaganda in the run-up and they pushed this "USP" really hard. I wish I'd kept it, I got actual pieces of Lib Dem campaign stuff going "we're not the Tories - and don't worry, Streatham is safe against Tories anyway, you don't need to vote tactically, vote for us, coz we're not Tories."

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:32 (fifteen years ago)

1945: 49.71% is the closest anyone got
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive...

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:32 (fifteen years ago)

i assume clegg realises that forming a coalition with the conservatives would lose them seats (probably quite a lot) at the next election

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:33 (fifteen years ago)

I wish I'd kept it,

Kate, have a look here - http://www.thestraightchoice.org/
They might have it.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:33 (fifteen years ago)

lol at lib dem sources: "it depends on whether the coalition with the conservatives is serious"

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:34 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah but in my constituency for example all the propaganda was based on reassuring Tory voters that they needed to vote Lib Dem to keep the Labour candidate out

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:34 (fifteen years ago)

(Or did they just promote themselves that way in Streatham because it's a den of Labour voters? Did they phrase themselves in other ways in dens of Tories?)

x-posts caek is speaking more sense

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:34 (fifteen years ago)

I can't see the Lib Dems forming a coalition with anyone. I think they'll be content to let Cameron form a minority govt. They'll vote for or abstain on the budget bill, then let Cameron dig his own grave. That would be my strategy, anyway.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:35 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, that would work, just sit back and wait for the first vote on europe

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:36 (fifteen years ago)

I am being a smidge unfair. caek is right that the party's policies have tended to lean more left than right, but yeah at local council level for example there are some properly right wing jobbers

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:37 (fifteen years ago)

i think every party has its share of truly repulsive right wing nutters at council level

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:39 (fifteen years ago)

it somehow seems more shocking from the lib dems when it happens, which is to their credit tbh

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:39 (fifteen years ago)

boris doing good telly here

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

obviously he's awful but that was pretty great

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

Boris and Paxman discussing putting meat into their sausages on the BBC.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

i don't find it that shocking. but yeah, local politics is a snake pit.

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

(Or did they just promote themselves that way in Streatham because it's a den of Labour voters? Did they phrase themselves in other ways in dens of Tories?)

Our local leaflets went along the lines of "Labour can't win here, here is a list of Tory quotes about making cuts to the NHS" (though they did also note that local MP has spoken out against the Labour govt)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

...local ex-MP. Taking a while to get used to this. :(

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:41 (fifteen years ago)

I am being a smidge unfair

That is so unlike you.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:41 (fifteen years ago)

Reasonableness is for peeps who don't care

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:42 (fifteen years ago)

more i think about it, the more i am convinced it is impossible/suicidal for the LDs for form a formal coalition with the tories.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:43 (fifteen years ago)

OK, this is the twitter whisper gallery at work here, but the thing that seems worst about Dr Evan Harris losing his seat isn't even that he lost it, but how *grossly* the winner is behaving about it. Gracious loser vs. disgusting winner = NAGL.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:43 (fifteen years ago)

caek otm

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:46 (fifteen years ago)

If it's any consolation, I remember when the tories got into essex (I think) back in the day, they went straight out the next day and removed all the "this is a nuclear free zone" road signs in a general hooray henry style.

I remember thinking "YOu've just lost the next election"

And so it proved...

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:46 (fifteen years ago)

Heh. He's saying what I said 20 posts back. x-post

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

tory infighting going public already according to andrew neil

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

stoked for that

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

what about a quiet word from Clegg that they will support a minority Tory admin on votes where they think it'll be for the public good?

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

xposts to Kate: Link/gossip? Would like to be more angry this morning.

Doing no work whatsoever. Shd possibly look a little more shipshape in that direction.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

OK, this is the twitter whisper gallery at work here, but the thing that seems worst about Dr Evan Harris losing his seat isn't even that he lost it, but how *grossly* the winner is behaving about it. Gracious loser vs. disgusting winner = NAGL.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8667143.stm

^ has anyone listened to this fucking actual thing???

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

I mean seriously

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:48 (fifteen years ago)

+ anger with the way the campaign was conducteds
+ implacable opposition to electoral reform

= awesome

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:48 (fifteen years ago)

brighter note - what if Brown goes, Labour gets a new leader - no, a whole new team - in quick sharp, and we have another poll at the end of the summer?

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:48 (fifteen years ago)

what about a quiet word from Clegg that they will support a minority Tory admin on votes where they think it'll be for the public good?

― Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, May 7, 2010 11:47 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's this or a formal lib/lab coalition (with fixed terms, AV, broon out, cable chancellor) imo

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:48 (fifteen years ago)

is there precedent for a situation where, say 10 LDs defect to the Tories in order to give them more legitimacy?

(this rather than going through the impossible/suicidal hoops of balloting LD membership to form a coalition)

the party as a whole would never go for it, but surely among the LDs there are more than a couple opportunistic tory sympathizers who could see this as a chance to bank some favor and be a hero

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:50 (fifteen years ago)

xp to Kate - I can well believe it - this was Tim Montgomeries response to the news -

There is a God!!!! Evan Harris has lost Oxford West & Abingdon

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:50 (fifteen years ago)

this may in fact be pure fantasy, i don't know - but so much about the UK electoral system seems fantastical already!

xpost

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:50 (fifteen years ago)

also, while they were all based on the same (very wrong as it turns out) pre-polling day polling data, the 538 fiducial prediction was by far the wrongest i saw being presented by someone other than an idiot columnist

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:51 (fifteen years ago)

Did consider throwing something at massive Tory poster next to Osney town bridge, Oxford, this a.m.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:51 (fifteen years ago)

First good news: Galloway loses

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:52 (fifteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/Nadine4mp

Do my eyes and ears deceive me? Has Dr Death really lost his seat ?

Basically the usual Science Dorks of twitter are going bonkers over this.

x-posts

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:52 (fifteen years ago)

xp, there isn't a precedent afaik, but it is not impossible. i don't know the current LD back bench well enough to be certain, but i would be surprised if there were as many as ten though.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:52 (fifteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8667143.stm

^ has anyone listened to this fucking actual thing???

i don't think this is your song, dog

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:53 (fifteen years ago)

Could see a few opportunistic defectors but 10 seems unlikely - don't ask me though, first time for a hung parliament in my lifetime

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:53 (fifteen years ago)

even if they are ten "blue dog" liberal democrates, i think changing parties immediately after an election is rightly considered not on

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:53 (fifteen years ago)

as an honorary or actually full-paid member of the Twitter Science Dork brigade I too have gone spare on those fucking Tory cunts

aided by no sleep which is a state drunker than drunkenness

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:54 (fifteen years ago)

FUUUUCK

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:54 (fifteen years ago)

haha yeah, just a bit. "thank you for your votes, now let me just switch parties"

xposts

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:54 (fifteen years ago)

as an honorary or actually full-paid member of the Twitter Science Dork brigade I too have gone spare on those fucking Tory cunts

leave this group, they are hurting science with their self-regard and hubris

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:55 (fifteen years ago)

more likely I think would be for a few Libdems to defect to labour in the event of a conlib pact.

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:55 (fifteen years ago)

sorry, that was an xp

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:56 (fifteen years ago)

Haven't been looking too closely at the actual numbers but are there any seats where people who couldn't vote would have been marginal enough to make a difference?

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:56 (fifteen years ago)

Was looking for said tweets and found this instead:
"Oxford's combined vote: LD: 41087 Con: 33633 Lab: 27937 One Con MP, one Lab MP."

Hm. (Though I'm glad Lab kept Ox East, so not going to pick the figures apart too much.)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:57 (fifteen years ago)

haha just showing a bit of solidarity to my coursemates caek! sure the dude's a bit up himself but he's also a good guy from pretty much everything I've read about him

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:57 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, caek, don't start hating on Prof Brian Cox again, you will hurt me, in my heart.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:57 (fifteen years ago)

xxxp, chester i think

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

Still 29 undeclared seats. What's their excuse?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

"leave this group, they are hurting science with their self-regard and hubris" <- some of my vaguely ok acquaintances are among these guys but yeah, just when atheists agreed that Dawkins was actually NAGL, they decided to get all Dawkinsian in support of Ben Goldacre instead

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

paxo picking his ear w/his pen nagl

manish pseud (cozen), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

i like brian cox! i object to grad students, postdocs and non-scientists getting incredibly righteous about science funding in an economic situation like this and when very few of them understand any of the details, all of them banging on about "evidence-based" policy like they are the only post-enlightenment people in the room

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:00 (fifteen years ago)

Disguised as a roadsweeper Cameron makes an audacious bid to get into No.10
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47795000/jpg/_47795458_largepicdowningst_466afp.jpg

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:01 (fifteen years ago)

i don't actually hang THAT closely with the goldacre righteous kroo and do find some of their blather a bit much! but evan harris was plainly the superior candidate and more agreeable human being in every conceivable way and he has almost certainly been cheated out of his seat by a smear campaign

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:01 (fifteen years ago)

so bbc prediction is:

Con 305
Lab 261
Lib 55 [Lab/Lib 316]
DUP 8 [Con + DUP 313]
SNP 6 (presumably Lab on most things)
Plaid Cymru 3 ( " )
SDLP 3 ( " )
Green 1
Alliance 1
[Lab/Lib/SNP/PC/SDLP = 328]

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:03 (fifteen years ago)

I am all for science funding (point abt current economy taken but christ knows we'll continue to fund plenty of shit I consider needless in the meantime) but if I ever say "evidence-based" in a real argument please someone shoot me.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:03 (fifteen years ago)

i live in oxford west and the only time i heard about this smear campaign was from science bloggers. he was not the only LD to lose his seat tonight, and the boundary changes didn't help either. i don't think anywhere near enough people vote on abortion for it to have made a difference.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:04 (fifteen years ago)

Ok fair point caek. By "twitter science dorks" I meant really Prof Cox, Ben Goldacre, Simon Singh - who I think generally do quite a good thing, trying to demystify science and bring it in an understandable way to people - rather than the "we are atheists scientists therefore we are better than everyone else in the room, and anyone who doesn't think like us is evil and wrong" science groupies.

x-posts OK, is Ben Goldacre really that bad or is it the Dawkins groupies who have latched onto him now?

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:04 (fifteen years ago)

ben goldacre is a good guy gone who did not use his powers for good imo.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)

This is even better than the Land Is Power guy:

http://i.imgur.com/C4Qb6.jpg

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:06 (fifteen years ago)

good luck britain with your new twat...sorry, I mean prime minister

Chris de Burgin' (King Boy Pato), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:06 (fifteen years ago)

ben goldacre is a good guy gone who did not use his powers for good imo.

That saddens me, as I really liked his book (and his column) - it spurred me on to do a lot more research of mine own about stuff that affects me every day.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

all i'm saying is that putting evan harris's loss down to an anti-science/ultra-religious smear campaign requires delusional, vain persecution complex

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

hiding some mother fuckers on facebook today, i tell thee

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

That saddens me, as I really liked his book (and his column) - it spurred me on to do a lot more research of mine own about stuff that affects me every day.

― Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, May 7, 2010 12:07 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that is good, and it is important. but sometimes "making people think" is too low a bar.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:08 (fifteen years ago)

nigel farage plane crash details are a bit o_O

manish pseud (cozen), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:09 (fifteen years ago)

(that's not meant as a zing of you btw!)

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:09 (fifteen years ago)

xp

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:09 (fifteen years ago)

I think it's a bit more than "making people think" - it's more along the lines of "you have been systematically lied to, both by media who don't understand what they're talking about, and by corporations whose main motivation is profit, not the advancement of medicine - this is how, this is why, and this is why it was allowed to happen."

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:11 (fifteen years ago)

he lost by <200 votes, and was described as oh forget it the cunt deserved to lose he was a lib dem

never fucking trusting the cunting lib dems again

no offence taken caek (unless it's only kate yr trying not to zing) - i've shipped worse from you before ; )

and hey - i'd have been more fussed about cruddas - it's just bad to have someone of harris' type out in favour of a depressing, ten-a-penny person

like, his drug policy alone is reason to vote for him instead of almost anyone else

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:12 (fifteen years ago)

If only there was another flashmob, then your Lib Dem lad would have got over the line. Why didn't you set one up on Facebook, Louis? I blame YOU for this result.

Chris de Burgin' (King Boy Pato), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:13 (fifteen years ago)

Gonna assume 150 people - though still not 178 or whatever - voted for the animal rights party bcz cute fluffy animals and not cz they'd seen this nasty leaflet (which I didn't get at home but one arrived at work), but will be angry otherwise:
http://www.thestraightchoice.org/leaflets/4612/

But yeah, lots more losses all round, and anyway wd rather blame boundary changes, just the religious smear thing is insult to injury.

I like Simon Singh, don't mind Brian Cox, and have sometimes enjoyed badscience but really really need not to read the comments

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:13 (fifteen years ago)

morning all, I see the big winners last night were the psephologists, exit poll still looking pretty good. Glad the Liberals got schooled.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:14 (fifteen years ago)

Oh wait, I did get that one at home. It was the other Dr Death leaflet which only turned up at work. Not that it matters.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:14 (fifteen years ago)

pato as you well know flashmobs are pretty much my least favourite thing ever and their synonymity with evan harris and science dork twitterers is giving me serious identity crisis

but yeah vote green next time, everyone. you might as fucking well.

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:15 (fifteen years ago)

This is why I read Bad Science in the paper and not on the web. Heh.

In other news GOOD LORD ALERT THE SCIENCE AUTHORITIES THE JOHNSON FAMILY HAVE ACTUALLY MASTERED CLONING TECHNOLOGY...

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/content/newsimages09/IMG_5766.jpg

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:16 (fifteen years ago)

exit polls otm as per. they did overpredict LD mps and underpredict lab by a tiny amount. got con pretty much exactly right iirc.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:17 (fifteen years ago)

The swing to the Conservatives is not as great as Margaret Thatcher achieved in 1979, according to the results in so far, YouGov pollster Peter Kellner says. David Cameron has won a 5.2% swing, while Mrs Thatcher's was 5.3%, he adds.

this has been their big "triumph" meme overnight, so they can gtfo about that now

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:18 (fifteen years ago)

anyway good luck heidi alexander, i hope you govern my constituency with class and rigour

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:19 (fifteen years ago)

1219 Cheeky Girls singer Gabriela Irimia expresses her sadness for former fiance Lembit Opik, who has lost his Montgomeryshire seat to the Conservatives. She says of the Lib Dem: "The voters have lost a dedicated man who cared for his constituency and the people in it. It was his life."

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:20 (fifteen years ago)

Classy thing for her to say TBH.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:22 (fifteen years ago)

Stupid question: how much hatred did Thatcher inspire when she first got in? Obviously she inspired ferocious amounts after being in for a few years, but how about at the '79 GE? Did she already make the "left" (or "anyone not Tory or NF") as itchy as Cameron makes me now?

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:22 (fifteen years ago)

but it seems like most of the people who supported Lib Dem were going with a whole "I can't morally support Labour any more, but will NEVER vote Tory" so if Lib Dem form an alliance with the Tories, they are destroying their USP?

That would only be true of people who had switched their allegiance from Labour to Lib Dems at some point in the last few years. There are probably far more voters who were always Lib Dem in the first place.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:24 (fifteen years ago)

wow, david owen has some attitude in his cheerios this morning

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

Blimey, David Owen being bizarrely grumpy on the beeb.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

"you must think i'm an idiot for asking me that"

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

ha! Wot caek said.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

it's always a good time to go to leamington

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:26 (fifteen years ago)

Oop, missed the Owen thing, what was he asked?

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:26 (fifteen years ago)

"would you prefer a lib/con coalition or a lib/lab coalition?"

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:27 (fifteen years ago)

seems like he objects to the principle of labour being mentioned this morning

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:27 (fifteen years ago)

Huge turn out in Leamington and Warwick but my mum's vote didn't swing it.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:27 (fifteen years ago)

Damn that result - James Plaskitt is a lovely fellow.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:29 (fifteen years ago)

ugh, and holding Saffron Waldon too

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:30 (fifteen years ago)

Can't enough of Vine on his CGI staircase. Puts Avatar to shame.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

(not that they were ever gonna not, but 2 Cons in 2 minutes is too much for me)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

first appearance of virtual HoC was pretty much the highlight of my week, you had to BE there

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:32 (fifteen years ago)

Asked what he suggested, Johnson nodded to a Con-Lib pact of some kind by saying that what Clegg said about needing a stable sensible government was "half sensible". It would be crazy not to have the Conservatives play a dominant role, he added. And in comments that only Boris would make, he went on to say that "whatever type of Wall's sausage comes out from this, the dominant meat has got to be Conservative".

Presumably bulked up with the usual ground-up eyeballs, bones and rectal tissue?

Stevie T, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:32 (fifteen years ago)

Presumably bulked up with the usual ground-up eyeballs, bones and rectal tissue?

I though that Lembit Opik lost his seat?

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:34 (fifteen years ago)

I'm just hoping that for the next election the virtual House of Commons is on the iPad with some multitouch Google Maps-style zooming right into Cameron's toothless boatrace.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:34 (fifteen years ago)

Disappointed that Jeremy Vine isn't doing a Barbara Castle drag act by now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:35 (fifteen years ago)

Lawks, Ed Vaizey AND Spectator editor AND conservativesathome editor all round one table, at lunchtime too

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:35 (fifteen years ago)

any ipad election app won't be truly realistic unless you have to tap each button at least twice for it to register your input (cf emily maitlis' buggy weather-map thingie)

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:36 (fifteen years ago)

*vomits thin stream of freshly-drunk Coke Zero*

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:36 (fifteen years ago)

ed vaizey looks like such a cunt

nakhchivan, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:36 (fifteen years ago)

Rushanara!

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:37 (fifteen years ago)

Lol Respect came in third.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

how many helldamn candidates does bethnal require

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

My brother (well, my whole family now, actually) live in Leamington and will be gutted. I first got involved in politics there in 1979 and remember the joy of seeing off Dudley Smith in 1997. I knew it was coming, it's really not a Labour town, but still, damn. Depressed now.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:39 (fifteen years ago)

Yaaaaaay! Nice for that seat to go to British Bangladeshi woman.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:39 (fifteen years ago)

i was up for the sonning of respect

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:39 (fifteen years ago)

Thanks BBC for not showing Rushanara's speech in favour of Dimbleby wittering.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:40 (fifteen years ago)

Oh fuck, Esther McVey got in.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:41 (fifteen years ago)

David Butler on the beeb now, finally some sense. He wrote the book you know.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:43 (fifteen years ago)

making david butler sit through them reading out tweets. stay classy.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:46 (fifteen years ago)

He did call himself a nerd tho'!

How long has Dimbleby been up? He sounds like he's about to drop off.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)

your country is much more exciting than ours

max, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)

what's going on in this interview

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)

From Twitter, but... this can't be right. Can it?

A curious statistic: Oxford's combined vote: LD: 41087 Con: 33633 Lab: 27937. One Con MP, one Lab MP.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)

xp Paxman's audition for next Sky News anchor.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:51 (fifteen years ago)

Kate - ahem...
Uk General Election 2010: The Results Thread

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:51 (fifteen years ago)

2 constituencies, all the tory vote in one, all the labour in the other, LD vote spread out evenly so they lose

xp

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:51 (fifteen years ago)

Paxman has long been a self parody.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

Jeremy Vine would pave over the Blue Peter garden for a visual representation, the man don't give a fuck.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:54 (fifteen years ago)

Sorry, it's a long thread and moving quickly. We're all tired here.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:55 (fifteen years ago)

if cameron forges ahead with a minority government, what's the CW on tory prospects in an autumn election? i sort of assume that this sensationally disappointing result for conservatives will result in a "re-tweaking" of cameron's moderate image toward "the base" i.e. undoing all of cameron's careful work toward electability. on the other hand i think caek said somewhere up there that an autumn election will probably consolidate tory gains, so...

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:00 (fifteen years ago)

by the way are lib dems yellow, or orange? MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:01 (fifteen years ago)

don't think that was me, but yeah, the conventional wistome is that there is a "let's give them a fair crack of the whip" thing on the second election

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:02 (fifteen years ago)

I know! Somehow I missed that Tony Benn's old constituency is back Labour - from the LibDems. Crazy stuff.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:02 (fifteen years ago)

"wistome"?!

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:03 (fifteen years ago)

^^^ 90 minutes sleep

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:03 (fifteen years ago)

Trad liberals are orange, the modern lot are yellow, BBC has chosen wisely with their more orange than yellow hue.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:04 (fifteen years ago)

the conventional wistome is that there is a "let's give them a fair crack of the whip" thing on the second election

Indeed, see aforementioned Butler, 1986.*

*thread needs footnotes.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:05 (fifteen years ago)

perhaps if LDs do a deal with tories their rosettes will become chartreuse

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:06 (fifteen years ago)

oh bbc - u mak me laff

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Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:07 (fifteen years ago)

I think it was after 4a.m. before I went to bed - I then had weird election dreams throughout the night, one of which involved me shouting at everyone about how shit fivethirtyeight's prediction model was - then I woke up @ exactly 5.38!

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:07 (fifteen years ago)

nice

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:07 (fifteen years ago)

xxp You won't feel like dancing if the Tories get in...

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:08 (fifteen years ago)

i had no idea the "swingometer" was such a venerable institution at the BBC - it is fucking crap

- what is the scale? i.e. how much of the total vote does that semicircle represent? who knows

- a tory gain reveals more blue, but to accomplish this the needle of the swingometer actually must move "toward" labour

- with a third party a real force for the first time in years - and the main story of the election at the beginning of the night - the swingometer comprehensively failed to show the three-way interaction that was at the heart of the story

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:16 (fifteen years ago)

Swingometer was much more useful when uniform swing actually happened and there only really were 2 parties

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:17 (fifteen years ago)

The Swingometer is an institution revered since childhood. I mean, it's been mocked by Monty Python, you can't get much more British that that.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:18 (fifteen years ago)

half asleep last night, I was trying to visualise how a 3-d swingometer might work

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

Since Python's been brought up, might as well get this out of the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

better when made of cardboard and sticky backed plastic

http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/news/ukelections_images/bbc79b.jpg

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:20 (fifteen years ago)

uniform swing has happened again tonight. not at the constituency level, but nationally, with correct input data (i.e. exit polls) it predicted the MP count to better than 5 MPs. but yeah, the problem with the swingometer as a visualization tool (not uniform swing as a concept) is that it's useless with 3 significant parties.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

what if there was a swingometer

in 3-d

max, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

some websites have them, they melt your brain though

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:24 (fifteen years ago)

BG statement comin atcha "imminently"

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:24 (fifteen years ago)

GB

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:24 (fifteen years ago)

3d swingometer -> jeremy vine in a pit with a sharp bladed pendulum

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:24 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg has just got into a car outside the Lib Dem HQ. Journalists asked him whether he was expecting a call, and he apparently replied he was planning to eat an apple.

the kingmaker, ladies and gentlemen

joe, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:25 (fifteen years ago)

8:00 here for the daily show on swingometer: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-21-2010/united-kingdom-general-election

(might be funny if john oliver was never born)

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:25 (fifteen years ago)

the problem with the swingometer as a visualization tool (not uniform swing as a concept) is that it's useless with 3 significant parties.

So still useful then.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:26 (fifteen years ago)

Anyone got a sense of whether the LDs left are more Liberal or SDP in their proclivities?

Clegg has to ballot his MPs on any coalition.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:26 (fifteen years ago)

They should do a dry run of a multi dimensional swingometer at this year's Eurovision.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:27 (fifteen years ago)

That Daily Show thing was soooo bad considering they had John Oliver right there for something like a fact-check.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:27 (fifteen years ago)

ed, more SDP in general. vast majority are 1997 arrivals or later. their rules for coalition discussed a little upthread.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:28 (fifteen years ago)

Instead of a Swingometer, these days we have twitter's Whingeometer.

Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:29 (fifteen years ago)

the thing is, oliver just fucking KILLS on the bugle. it's so weird

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:32 (fifteen years ago)

I presume it is because he doesn't write his own stuff on DS.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:33 (fifteen years ago)

he makes me feel shame

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:33 (fifteen years ago)

They should give Zaltzman a spot on the Daily show.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:33 (fifteen years ago)

bbc footage of this lectern being set up is getting kind of avant-garde

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:33 (fifteen years ago)

Notice that Jeremy Vine's virtual Number 10 door swings the wrong way, possibly a metaphor for the evening.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:34 (fifteen years ago)

Labour doing well in the council elections? At least they've just chucked 2 BNPrs out at Stoke.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:36 (fifteen years ago)

there was a potential labour councillor at the (very small - 8 ppl, all male) party i was at last night

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:37 (fifteen years ago)

and as it was all for a dare...

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:37 (fifteen years ago)

(pre-emptive)

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:37 (fifteen years ago)

Grand Coalition anyone. Cameron PM, Brown Chancellor, Clegg Constitutional Reform, Unity for the financial crisis, electoral reform and a new election in a year?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:38 (fifteen years ago)

lol, absolutely nothing on the table from the conservatives for the lib dems apparently

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:38 (fifteen years ago)

at least the tories have shown a smidgen of class for fucking once

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:39 (fifteen years ago)

good job Clegg had an apple on the way then

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:39 (fifteen years ago)

none of the leaders/senior ppl have been really classless yet, but i'm dreading this brown speech

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:40 (fifteen years ago)

"Gordon Brown has an uncertain grip on reality" - Michael Howard.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:40 (fifteen years ago)

takes one etc

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:41 (fifteen years ago)

This is one thing that I was going to wait a while before we talked about. Maybe we'll talk about it now so you can think about it, because you all, we all, have to make some kind of plans for ourselves. It's a free concert from now on.

GB nailing this imo

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:45 (fifteen years ago)

yep

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:46 (fifteen years ago)

John Black Scottish Jacobite Party (The) 156 votes 0.3%

The dream is over...

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:48 (fifteen years ago)

nice and dignified from GB.

tomofthenest, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:49 (fifteen years ago)

seems to be that Brown could hang on for two weeks, but up a queens speech with a big focus on electoral reform and dare the LDs to vote it down.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:51 (fifteen years ago)

^^^^So gonna happen, can see Peter Mandelson stroking white Persian cat.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:54 (fifteen years ago)

you guys should let obama be PM! hes done a pretty good job here, could probably do better without a US senate

max, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:57 (fifteen years ago)

R*** M******* Oh I love the garden of England

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs332.snc3/29220_706480256109_36817495_41624528_5168111_n.jpg

DEFRIENDED

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:59 (fifteen years ago)

far too right wing to win here, xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:02 (fifteen years ago)

big LD hold in cheltenham there, pretty sure that means clegg will be next PM

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:05 (fifteen years ago)

lol fucker with a handpuppet AND a crushing Lib Dem win in a marginal, it's like last night didn't happen

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:06 (fifteen years ago)

ftse at no change on the day

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:06 (fifteen years ago)

David Cameron's speech at 14:30 - what's the plan...

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:07 (fifteen years ago)

minority government, LDs abstaining on the queen's speech is my official prediction

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:08 (fifteen years ago)

LOL at cameron doing his press conference up against a imposing gentleman's club door rather than Millbank Tower.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:12 (fifteen years ago)

tory papers tomorrow are going to be _ugly_

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:13 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, going to stay well clear of newsagents tomorrow.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

xp No change there then...

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

yay, Tony Benn

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

Brown playing his hand faultlessly here, pre-emptively making the all-important PR pledge to Clegg, and making it publicly. Cameron knows it would be suicidal for his party to match that pledge, so what the hell else CAN he offer, beyond a greater stability of government? Beats me, quite frankly.

mike t-diva, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

Puppies? It worked for Obama. ;-)

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:18 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/07/article-1274106-097649A0000005DC-217_468x167.jpg

The Mail seem to have just slipped a random "lol u lost a finger unlucky" article into the middle of their main CAMERON WINS piece.

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

TBF GB has much more experience at doing this. Tories have not been so good at holding the line. How long can cameron last as tory leader if he can't deliver the dog whistles.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

Really depends on who has a lead in the polls...

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:22 (fifteen years ago)

so......

- lib dem surge failed to materialise, dooming labour

- tory minority govt until they think they see a peak of support, snap election called

rite?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:24 (fifteen years ago)

(only prob is that this may be their peak..?)

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:25 (fifteen years ago)

they may not see a peak, and they may not be able to choose when the next election is, but yeah

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

Labour and LDs would have the tories by the balls, No confidence motion at any moment, so any surge in Labour support, eg. after Tory cuts start to bite or if we double dip, bye dave.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

can i just say how much i enjoyed brown's speech? 'sure hung parliament whatever BUT WE STILL HAVE A FUCKING COUNTRY TO RUN AND A GREECE TO SAVE so enjoy talking some bullshit but you know, this is actually a full time job for the ppl you doofus's (doofi?)'

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)

Not as popular as John Major is not a great way to start.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/07/article-1274106-097649A0000005DC-217_468x167.jpg

How long can cameron last as tory leader if he can't deliver the dog whistles.

C J, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)

(Argh, I keep getting really confused by people showing support for "GB" in an election thread.)

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:31 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron should come through that door like Tim Westwood: "BOOOOM! Big dog in the house!"... and then fall flat on his face.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:31 (fifteen years ago)

He's ready for GB

http://www.sterlingtimes.org/backing_britain1.jpg

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:34 (fifteen years ago)

Great Britain / Gordon Brown / George Bush - who are we talking here?

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:35 (fifteen years ago)

Gareth Barry; he has picked up an ankle injury, you see.

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:36 (fifteen years ago)

is cameron still campaigning?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

WAR

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR BACK THE BOYS WARRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

sod off cameron

this is weak scaremongering right here

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

Half expecting Cameron to ask Gordon Brown when he intends to call an election.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron using every cheap fucking trick here.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

HAHA

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

THE REVEAL

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

Cam/Clegg human centipede?

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

at work here, what is Cam saying?

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

Can people give details on this stuff, I can't watch anything at work.

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

Argh. We listened to Brown's speech out loud in the office but no one's interested in Cameron so I've no idea what's going on again.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

He's asking LDs to work with him, not against him

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

what is he offering to the LDs? not much so far as i can tell

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

haha, pupil premium, low carbon economy, don't implement labour tax policies = "fuck off"

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

Getting rid of ID cards and "reform" of the electoral system

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

Someone across the office says he's giving the LDs some shit low carbon pact and that's it.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

some pretty minor stuff, and they are obviously completely opposed on europe, foreign policy

and, it seems, on electoral reform -- he is offering far, far less than brown on that

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

electoral reform = no more seats with 68,000 or 62,000 people

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

now he's being horrendously patronising

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

just equalizing the size of constituencies. but he categorically said it would still be FPTP.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

if that's an accurate description of their offer, clegg won't take it. minority government time.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

lol Cameron still thinks the world looks at Britain for leadership, it really is still the 1980s in his head

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:43 (fifteen years ago)

"it has always been a priority of the conservatives to reduce taxes, particularly on those who earn the least" <- can only imagine this is cunning usage of "earn" to mean "deserve" rather than "are paid"

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:43 (fifteen years ago)

xxp If Clegg has any balls he won't take it.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:43 (fifteen years ago)

it's like he wrote this speech when everyone was still assuming the LDs would get like 75 seats

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:44 (fifteen years ago)

the world looked at Britain for leadership in the 80s?

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:44 (fifteen years ago)

this is a pretty reasonable speech, don't know what the problem is beyond "boo hiss"

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:44 (fifteen years ago)

going to the table with his hands somewhat tied there

not budging on PR there

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:44 (fifteen years ago)

it's like he wrote this speech when everyone was still assuming the LDs would get like 75 seats

― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, May 7, 2010 2:44 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he's have to offer a bit more if they'd got 75 seats.

as it is, he's competing against the possibility of an alternative government made up of two parties that both lost seats.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:45 (fifteen years ago)

well, im biassed, but that was shit imo

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:45 (fifteen years ago)

sounds like a public school headmaster at assembly after brawl on the rugger field

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:45 (fifteen years ago)

i don't think it was a politically astute speech, but it wasn't like he read from mein kampf or something

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

the world looked at Britain for leadership in the 80s?

― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, May 7, 2010 2:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

erm, yes... and it still kind of did in the 00s. we're still a pretty big dog.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

he's competing against the possibility of an alternative government made up of two parties that both lost seats.

er i thought this was a dead letter?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)

xp, totally. a failed government in a UN security council member is noteworthy.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)

what is "this" tracer?

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)

And suddenly dozens of foreign language students appear behind Judge Jules...

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:48 (fifteen years ago)

I think this is where he gets shot by Malcolm McDowell from the chapel roof

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:48 (fifteen years ago)

this = an alternative government made up of two parties that both lost seats.

lab + lib < c

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:50 (fifteen years ago)

I think Clegg is finished if he doesn't get electoral reform in the Queen's Speech

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:51 (fifteen years ago)

no, lab + lib + sdlp = 320
con = 306

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:51 (fifteen years ago)

clegg is not going anywhere ed

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:51 (fifteen years ago)

caek otm x 2

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:51 (fifteen years ago)

Nice to see Nick Robinson supporting an old school friend in his time of crisis.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:52 (fifteen years ago)

Gone at the september conference

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

320 is strictly enough with sinn fein + speaker + 2 deputies not voting. conservatives cannot reach a number like that with just the DUP, who are not so reliable a vote as the SDLP.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

based on what, ed?

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

who else have the LDs got ed?!

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

it is literally inconceivable. this is a disappointing night, but to suggest they have made anything other than colossal progress in 18 months is just preposterous.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)

all the lib dem anger is at the voting system rather than clegg afaict.

joe, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)

that's not entirely justified, given that their share of the vote is almost unchanged, but yeah.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:56 (fifteen years ago)

+1% vote share since 2005 is hardly an endorsement of Clegg, regardless of the voting system. All he can bring to his party now is PR and he isn't going to get it from a Con pact.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:58 (fifteen years ago)

HANNAN

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

I reckon Huhne will be a focus of attention, I'd take a punt on Lynn Featherstone.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

Huhne nearly lost his seat

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:00 (fifteen years ago)

What the fuckity fuck is Delingpole doing on TV?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:00 (fifteen years ago)

Hannan and Delingpole are gonna make out, right now, on live TV.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:00 (fifteen years ago)

There is absolutely no desire with the liberal democrats to unseat Clegg, in addition to there being zero alternatives.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:00 (fifteen years ago)

lynn featherstone called the fire brigade because her boiler wasn't working properly, i wouldn't put her in charge of a political party

joe, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

dear james delingpole i hope you die soon

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

I'd take a punt on Lynn Featherstone.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, May 7, 2010 2:59 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah ya did

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:02 (fifteen years ago)

I went to a conference she threw in March and she is lovely, but NUTS.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:02 (fifteen years ago)

CRICKET ANALOGY FAIL

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

We are weeks away from being Greece!

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

better fucking food, hurrah

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

i guess i helped usher her into power in 2005. wasn't very helpful to me as an MP, but in the land of beardy-weirdy lib dem cranks, the lynn featherstone woman is king. ne way this is idel, clegg ain't going nowhere.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)

idle

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)

If I were Lib Dem I would look at the results and see that pulling left has seen big advances and pulling right has, at best, stalled them.

Remember the LDs had Kennedy and his drinking problem in charge for years.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)

better fucking food, hurrah

Steady on.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:06 (fifteen years ago)

Glad consrvative home bloke has got rid of his playoff bear, still a cunt though

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:06 (fifteen years ago)

alastair campbell otm re: the new intake of conservative MPs being, on the whole, bonkers

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:06 (fifteen years ago)

Remember the LDs had Kennedy and his drinking problem in charge for years.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, May 7, 2010 3:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, they love those leadership challenges.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:07 (fifteen years ago)

i preferred the LDs under kennedy and don;t like clegg. it's only 15 hours since what happened happened, things are still happening, and the true story of cleggmania has yet to be told. i just do not see him going, and don't see a candidate from the left. lembit opik is left as the proverbial king across the water.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:09 (fifteen years ago)

LOL at "the long Parliament has failed", prize for anyone who can call this the rump.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:09 (fifteen years ago)

Remember the LDs had Kennedy and his drinking problem in charge for years.

and he drunkenly won them 62 seats - Clegg is currently soberly on 56

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:10 (fifteen years ago)

Labour candidate for St Ives is hilarious btw - she talks about horses and fun things in the ditziest way

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:10 (fifteen years ago)

giant hat ftw

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:13 (fifteen years ago)

Lord Butler is on the beeb - probably the only senior civil servant who I have seen undressed.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:14 (fifteen years ago)

beat that, suzy

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:14 (fifteen years ago)

Amber Valley to CON, 3000 votes to BNP, bastards.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:16 (fifteen years ago)

jesus

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)

Morecambe to CON

C J, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:18 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, one HECK of an immigration problem there, innit? (xposT)

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)

Right, it seems that Nick Clegg has yet to say "ooh, yes DC"

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:21 (fifteen years ago)

How nice to see crooked tosspot Hoon laughing and joking away with Paxo and co

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:28 (fifteen years ago)

I must ask who this Tory who looks like Beaker is.

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:28 (fifteen years ago)

your vote counts in Fermanagh & South Tyrone


Name Party Votes %
Michelle Gildernew Sinn Fein 21,304 45.5
Rodney Connor Independent 21,300 45.5

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:29 (fifteen years ago)

daaaaamn

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:31 (fifteen years ago)

(as I understand it)
The Unionists all pulled out to let Connor get a clear run at Sinn Fein - The SDLP refused to do likewise to help Sinn Fein. 7.2% Republican swing from SDLP to Sinn Fein was just enough to scrape it.

I think (iirc - I read this earlier somewhere) there were two recounts and Sinn Fein lost the last one by 8 votes.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:36 (fifteen years ago)

1529: BBC home editor Mark Easton says: "Democracy can sometimes find it impossible adequately to reflect the contradictions contained in the voice of the British people. Parklife."

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:37 (fifteen years ago)

Up the Sinners!

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:40 (fifteen years ago)

just Devon West left then

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:41 (fifteen years ago)

The good news is that if the Lib Dems take up Cameron's offer of a coalition then they'll be wiped off the electoral map for all time, good fucking riddance too.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:42 (fifteen years ago)

At work now so sound is off, is this the Dimbleby gets to go for a Pee montage or is this the end of the coverage?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:42 (fifteen years ago)

I'll drink to that. xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:43 (fifteen years ago)

Barnbrook loses council seat! Result.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:43 (fifteen years ago)

Labour +5 councils

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:44 (fifteen years ago)

xxxp end of coverage until this evening - now back to your regular schedule of flogging crap at car boot sales

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:44 (fifteen years ago)

Corbynland to declare UDI

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:45 (fifteen years ago)

how long does a Tory/LibDem coalition run for, then? 1yr till referendum, then election on yes and disintegration on no?

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:45 (fifteen years ago)

What referendum?

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:46 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems ... good fucking riddance

Yeah the modern Labour party has done such a good job of providing a meaningful alternative to the Conservatives it's a shame to clutter the field

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:47 (fifteen years ago)

An "all party committee of inquiry on political and electoral reform" could taken a year.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)

a blue ribbon committee! to study the issue!

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)

And result in nothing other than a report that gets filed away somewhere to gather dust.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)

"See the referendum? Where's the referendum?"

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:50 (fifteen years ago)

Tories don't have enough to make that sort of arse-dragging work.

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:53 (fifteen years ago)

If there is a referendum then it will be couched in weaselly words (do you a) think we should have a good stable British government with the power to make decisions or b) like bickering and being a bit FOREIGN) and backed by a massive campaign by the Tories to tell us what a bad idea it is to have any reform other than removing a few of those pesky people-beginning-with-L-voting constituencies and splitting them between neighbouring Tory seats

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:54 (fifteen years ago)

So last night Mandelson stresses to Paxman the clarity of procedure regarding incumbent govts having the first shot at forming a coalition, & today Brown is happy to step back initially, muddying the precedent for next time.

If a Tory minority govt wants to call a snap election that is not supported by the majority of parliament... the customs are p vague, maybe the Queen will deny it?

ogmor, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:54 (fifteen years ago)

Tories don't have enough to make that sort of arse-dragging work.

We'll see if the Liberals have enough balls, or integrity, to press them on the matter

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

The specifics of a referendum on constitutional reform wld be all important, & now might be the best time for it w/ no one party able to dictate them.

ogmor, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, Tories already pledging an epic no campaign. So what do LDs do if they lose it? stay in the coalition and cling on to their last scrap of almost-power knowing they'll get disappeared at the next election, or drop out there and tehn

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

There will always be a place for Nick Clegg in the Conservative Party (can even hear David Cameron saying this in my head)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:59 (fifteen years ago)

hahah

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:59 (fifteen years ago)

Anyway, Brown should have resigned by now and let the Tories get on with it. Useless cunt.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

So in effect what Cameron's saying to Clegg is:

We need you to help us over the line. In exchange we will arrange a year of committees followed by a watered down referendum on reform in which we will use Lord Ashcroft's deep pockets to campaign ceaselessly against everything you want. How does that sound?

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

Word at noon was he was going to resign at 5pm, but I don't think anybody's expecting that now

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

"We will consign you to electoral oblivion and possibly even destroy the party... but you'll be fine, Nick, don't worry"

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg should come out and simply say, 'We will not vote down any queen's speech that contains a serious electoral reform bill'.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)

Word at noon was he was going to resign at 5pm, but I don't think anybody's expecting that now

― stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 16:01 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Well considering I heard him on radio 4 saying he/Darling'll be spending the whole day trying to help sort out greece while everyone else pisses about, I'm guessing this is v. unlikely.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:06 (fifteen years ago)

Hey, I just woke up and we still don't have a government. My seat could have swung red to blue and didn't, which is a small relief.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:08 (fifteen years ago)

We'll see if the Liberals have enough balls, or integrity, to press them on the matter

― See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, May 7, 2010 3:57 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

they did in 1974 but im not holding my breath

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:08 (fifteen years ago)

Well Thorpe actually was a Liberal after all

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

TBH I thought Andrew Lloyd-Webber got to decide who's PM at this stage.

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)

So the next PM is going to be that violinist who looks like LJ?

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)

He's the compromise candidate

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:11 (fifteen years ago)

i didn't really pay attention last night, did any lol fringe groups (the racists, the greens, a guy in a crazy hat indie) get any seats?

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:11 (fifteen years ago)

clint dempsey can play violin?

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:11 (fifteen years ago)

Greens! The racists are crap. Ditto UKIP. (xp)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:12 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, and Lady Hermon won

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:12 (fifteen years ago)

yay greens then; my vote may not have counted here in crazy tory land but yay for elsewhere

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:13 (fifteen years ago)

Are Devon folk known to be slow in the counting department?

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)

You'd think they'd be faster, what with the extra fingers.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)

worth noting the LD's stated policy is a referendum on electoral reform, so all gnashing of teeth about a big bad ashcroft campaign has been bult into their platform for decades

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)

Any chance of the Referendum Party reforming?

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

BNP got a big jump in popular vote, but that's because they fielded more candidates. they lost votes pretty much everywhere they stood in 2005 i think.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

"Big jump"

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

180,000 to 500,000 (0.7% to 1.8% or something)

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

I'm not losing too much sleep over 1.8%

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)

no

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)

exit poll
C 307
L 255
LD 59

actual seats so far
C 305
L 258
LD 57

pretty amazing

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)

nate silver (prediction)
312
204
103

nate silver (based on exit poll shares)
341
219
62

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

please nobody mention the Falklands or North Sea oil again as I am kind of afraid that an initially unpopular Cameron govt will get its equivalent of these and be swept to immense new victories and claims of "real strong leader, that's what we need" forever

(chews fingernails)

― xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 11:56 (2 days ago) Permalink

Falklands oil firm Rockhopper claims discovery

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:28 (fifteen years ago)

Scottish results:

Labour 41
Liberal Democrat 11
Scottish National Party 6
Conservative 1

... Rule Brittania... God Save Our Gracious Queen *waves flag*

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:33 (fifteen years ago)

Maggie Thatcher - can you hear me, Maggie Thatcher? Your boys took one hell of a beating!

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)

y'know we're all gonna be coming up as refugees when Cameron decides to cut loose Fortress England and sail off into a golden sunset of village greens and volunteer hospitals?

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)

We'll be too busy running our own schools for that NV.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)

I wd probably do a better job than some primary school heads I can think of but I'm trying to get out of the pedagogue game tbh

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:45 (fifteen years ago)

Happy to volunteer as a police officer tho.

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:46 (fifteen years ago)

Nate Silver made the mistake of taking Dimbleby at his word when he said the exit poll was based on uniform swing (which patently wasn't the case), so immediately reverse-engineered a national vote share from it and then plugged it into his model. Out came a comfy Tory majority. Then he got all excited about the first couple of Sunderland results (10%+ swings) matching his projection. I stopped reading the 538 liveblog around 2am once he'd realised that the exit poll was looking pretty good and the Lab-LD column in his vote-switch matrix was hopelessly wrong.

Oh well, it's easier with US elections, innit?

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:50 (fifteen years ago)

The BBC and ITV had different exit polls.

Wasn't the ITV one closer anyway?

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:51 (fifteen years ago)

xp Is there a US equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony party?

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)

Republicans

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, I know, but the goal was wide open

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)

The BBC and ITV had different exit polls.

Really? I thought they all shared the same one.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, there was only one, conducted by Ipsos/MORI. It was tweaked around 3am for some reason (couple of seats off the Tories).

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

Ah, that'll be why they looked different when I flicked last night.

Mainly kept to C4 and ITV (and C4+1)...

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:56 (fifteen years ago)

My tired brain just goes ??? at this from the Guardian blog:

4.23pm: If you divide the number of votes each party received by the number of seats they won (as things stand now), you get these figures:

Conservatives: 35,021
Labour: 33,338
Liberal Democrat: 119,397

That's the number of votes each party needed to win a seat.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

OK, wasn't there a "Vote x, get y" poll here?

Then the winner on the night was "Vote Clegg, Get Cameron" after all...

Mark G, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)

Think it may have been "nobody votes Clegg, get Cameron anyway" given lack of LD/Lab marginals going LD, but whatever sounds more appealing

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 16:09 (fifteen years ago)

This is quite interesting to me. As someone who's relatively naive about UK politics, I wonder if there is any way that a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition might end up being more progressive on some issues than New Labour. (I imagine it's unlikely and a Labour/Lib Dem/SDLP coalition would be better.)

Sundar, Friday, 7 May 2010 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

If Labour or the Liberals had held 5-10 more seats from the Tories I could have seen them trying a coalition, but the way it is I just don't think the numbers are there even if they want to; they need the some combination of the SNP/PC/Greens as well as the SDLP and I don't have much hope for any government with such diverse interests holding together especially under the pressure of the inevitable tax rises and spending cuts.

On the other hand, is Clegg really going to do a deal with the Tories? It would be political suicide - at least if they want to continue marketing themselves as a 'progressive' party.

AlanSmithee, Friday, 7 May 2010 16:46 (fifteen years ago)

it's going to be tory minority government struggling for votes on a bill-by-bill basis. hard for me to see how cameron-ism survives that.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 16:55 (fifteen years ago)

LibDems need approval from a majority of mps to go into a coalition. that'll be interesting.

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 16:58 (fifteen years ago)

Pretty sure "Cameronism" was seen as a ploy to get elected by the vast majority of Tories, so I imagine it would have been dumped anyway at some point (xp)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

Agreed, though I think the pragmatic deal-by-dealmaking will end up being what Cameronism is. Whether Cameron himself survives is a slightly different question.

What does 'progressive' actually mean, btw?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:01 (fifteen years ago)

not an actual blood-sucking vampire puppy killer

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:05 (fifteen years ago)

by "cameronism" i meant the big move toward (superficial) moderation, i see what you're saying though

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:06 (fifteen years ago)

All of that rightwingthinktank/ policy wonk pie-in-the-sky stuff will be right out the window once they get down to the nitty gritty

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:10 (fifteen years ago)

if francis urquhart was party leader hed be moving into 10 downing as we speak

max, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:11 (fifteen years ago)

"There was a conversation between Nick Clegg and David Cameron on the phone this afternoon. The BBC was told it was very constructive but there was no real discussion of detail and it was very much the start of the process. There will now be further talks starting tonight with a meeting between George Osborne, William Hague, Oliver Letwin and Ed Lewellyn, David Cameron's chief of staff. The Lib Dem team will be Chris Huhne, Danny Alexander, Andrew Stunnell and David Laws."

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

All of that rightwingthinktank/ policy wonk pie-in-the-sky stuff will be right out the window once they get down to the nitty gritty

yeah, but then where are the extra votes going to come from? they need some of that greenwash big society bullshit to pull in right-leaning lib dems. but then that'll just piss off the bedrock tory backbenchers, among other things. U GONNA GET FIZZNUCKED, D-CAM

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:14 (fifteen years ago)

xp
I want to hear those conversations. I suppose I'll have wait ten years for the memoirs. Why can't they just tweet them?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:17 (fifteen years ago)

Ceceil Parkinson was rightly contemptuous of The Big Society on the radio just now.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

Interesting council results, esp in Birmingham (a Con/Libdem council).

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:25 (fifteen years ago)

Also this is pretty sweet reading.

Barking and Dagenham

Labour 32 19 51
British National Party 12 -12 0
Conservative 2 -2 0
Others 5 -5 0

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:27 (fifteen years ago)

(apologies for taking up space in the GE thread with this political minutae)

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:28 (fifteen years ago)

To stand as a candidate in the UK election you must lodge a £500 deposit. If you get less than 5% of the vote, you don't get it back.

We have data on 609 of 650 constituencies.

A BNP candidate appeared on 338 ballots (312 of which have been called). 263 have lost their deposit.

The BNP is currently down £131,500

Good work!

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:37 (fifteen years ago)

Who is 'other'?
xp

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:38 (fifteen years ago)

the bnp lost all 12 of its coucil seats in barking/dagenham too.

nevermind312, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)

there was an independent candidate, forget the seat xp

stet, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:42 (fifteen years ago)

Just as a heads-up, the big meme on the Tory blogs this morning is "We would have won it if it wasn;t for UKIP who are almost certainly in the pay of Mandelson".

Meowsy McDermott, Friday, 7 May 2010 17:44 (fifteen years ago)

Yup, just seen the BNP wipeout in Barking. Similar result in Epping Forest (they lost 3 of the 4 seats they had in Loughton, and only a third of the council were up for grabs so it might well be that they lost everything they could).

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:46 (fifteen years ago)

Just as a heads-up, the big meme on the Tory blogs this morning is "We would have won it if it wasn;t for UKIP who are almost certainly in the pay of Mandelson".

Yeah I hear Farage had actually intended to crash his plane into a polling station in Witney

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)

Joe Benton's finger was bitten off by a dog because he was attempting to throw the dog at the Conservative Party

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Friday, 7 May 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

not gonna pretend i kno fuck all abt uk political landscape but kinda seems like lib dems going into gov. r gonna get eaten by larger party cf. greens over here.

plax (ico), Friday, 7 May 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)

i'm arguing with someone about whether cameron is good looking. can people post v. unflattering pictures of him?

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)

There is an amazing photo of him facepalming but I can't find it now.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.moneymad.org/david_cameron_poster_ugly.jpg

nevermind312, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01080/education-graphics_1080307a.jpg
champaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagne
http://www.ginnydougary.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/cameron.jpg
snowbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00003/1008_cameron3_280x321_3501a.jpg

ogmor, Friday, 7 May 2010 18:59 (fifteen years ago)

caek the science is against you

ogmor, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:01 (fifteen years ago)

"Progressive" is a vague and loaded term, yes. I meant government action towards social democratic economic policies, environmental activism, opposition to illegal/imperialistic military action, and democratic electoral reform.

Sundar, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago)

fuuuuuuuuuuuck Lembit Opik on HIGNFY right now

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:33 (fifteen years ago)

*my nan was a big fan of Don Estelle, and as a result i am the proud owner of a signed Don Esetelle LP*

can sometimes be seen in basingstoke town centre ...

djh, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)

Was he whispering "grass"?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:48 (fifteen years ago)

xpost to Sundar

Tories are in favour of working to "reduce litter" and teaching children that "homosexuality is normal"(the norm?), so I imagine you feel a bit like Hegel during the French revolution.

ogmor, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:58 (fifteen years ago)

thanks for the cameron photos

Meanwhile the BNP not only suffered heavy defeat in the parliamentary constituency of Barking. It also lost all its twelve seats on Barking and Dagenham Council. Nick Griffin had earlier glossed his massive defeat by claiming: "The real prize is the council."

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)

fuuuuuuuuuuuck Lembit Opik on HIGNFY right now

Haven't made my mind up if that was car crash tv par excellence or a cunning bid by Opik to relaunch his career.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)

both?

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

odds on him being LD candidate for london mayor?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:29 (fifteen years ago)

Lembit vs Boris vs Ken - HIGPPFHIGNFYFY (Have I Got Previous Panelists From Have I Got News For You For You)

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

Saw a bit of late election coverage on someone's telly when i was working on a site in Middlesborough, some berk blabbering on about twitter and blogs, the main presenter only just managing to be polite as the guy read tweets from some stupid pr flack. Then they cut him off because a result came in. It was mildly funny i suppose.

All that cash spent on election advertising, propaganda and spin in the tory rags that goebbels would have found ott, and this is the best the conservatives could manage? What a mess.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:35 (fifteen years ago)

The editor of the Spectator was on TV this p.m. pointing out that the tory campaign actually reduced their support.

caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)

great, isn't it? think voters did a pretty good job: first election after the expenses scandal, and they manage to trap the three main parties into some huis clos nightmare.

joe, Friday, 7 May 2010 20:40 (fifteen years ago)

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/05/07/uk.election.schwarzenegger.twitter.jpg

nevermind312, Friday, 7 May 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

I hate twitter, it's so stupid and meaningless and nothingy.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Friday, 7 May 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)

How can you say that when it gives us background images like Arnold's??

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 21:43 (fifteen years ago)

He looks terrible!

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Friday, 7 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

great, isn't it? think voters did a pretty good job: first election after the expenses scandal, and they manage to trap the three main parties into some huis clos nightmare.

― joe, Friday, May 7, 2010 8:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^spot on

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Friday, 7 May 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

going to be a huis clegg nightmare tbh

Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Friday, 7 May 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)

some huis clos nightmare

Honestly thought this was the French theatrical title for Human Centipede.

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

he editor of the Spectator was on TV this p.m. pointing out that the tory campaign actually reduced their support.

― caek, Friday, 7 May 2010 21:37 Bookmark

OTM Found myself pointing out to people today that despite Labour running a truly pisspoor campaign, Brown fucking up at every given opportunity and being the most unpopular PM for a very long time, the economy being in tatters and the Murdoch rags positively slobbering all over Cameron's dick, the Tories have still not managed to convince the electorate that they're worth electing in their own right. If anyone's come out of this looking like a bunch of useless, unelectable twats, it's the Conservatives.

Stone Monkey, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

All i can say is i'm glad i voted which means i have the right to moan about whatever happens!

not_goodwin, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

oh hello you

not_goodwin, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

LOL You still alive then?

Stone Monkey, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

Unfortunately, call or mail, you'll find out!

:)

not_goodwin, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)

Adil Ray deserves more praise for the Mr Khan election vids, a few choice, Pakistani-Groucho-Marx moments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdQxDO1lBJc&feature=channel

ogmor, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:52 (fifteen years ago)

ogmor: OK, haha. I guess what I'm asking is more, if you're looking at this from the perspective I described, is there a sense in which a Tory-LD coalition could be less bad than a Labour majority?

Sundar, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)

So I've been on the piss for several hours during which time I have anecdotally heard 3 people say if Clegg sides with the Tories they will never vote for them again. Please tell me old Nick can see this is a sizeable proportion of their vote?

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)

Only three?

sharia twain (suzy), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)

I'm not as popular as you

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg did specifically announce, a while ago, that the Lib Dems would never be getting into bed with the Tories, in the event of a hung parliament, as they have far too few policies in common with them. The dizzying prospect of some measure of real power and a lingering desire to distance himself from a woefully unpopular Labour administration may have made a lie of that.But any pretence of integrity he (and by extension, the Lib Dems) might have had will fly out of the window if that does happen. But he's still got to make it fly with 75% of the parliamentary party (or two thirds of an emergency conference if that doesn't work) and I'm not sure I can see that happening.

Stone Monkey, Friday, 7 May 2010 23:12 (fifteen years ago)

Somehow I missed that the LibDems took Wells (where I went to school) from (Tory) David Heathcunt-Amory thanks to a 6% swing from Labour. As amazing and unlikely as that was, it will mean shit if Clegg gets cosy with Cameron.

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:19 (fifteen years ago)

Sundar, it'll probably mean no ID cards, & possibly some other terrible Labour policies I'm forgetting. Tories&LDs did vote against Labour's egregious 42 days detention w/ no trial bill. Cameron has said he won't reverse a lot of Labour policies, and I wld guess he will preside over fuck-ups rather than push through much actively anti-progressive legislation. Maybe they'll feel less pressure from a more sympathetic press & won't need to rush through authoritarian policies? That's the best I have.

ogmor, Friday, 7 May 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)

Wells seems too nice a place to be completely Tory. Hope the LDs will do some good there and keep it.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

Mr Hague, with senior Conservatives George Osborne, Oliver Letwin and Mr Cameron's chief of staff, Ed Lewellyn, then met the Lib Dems' Chris Huhne, Danny Alexander, Andrew Stunnell and David Laws."

just wondering about the absence of Vince Cable from these talks, I'd have thought he should be there as Osborne's opposite number. Do we think he's not keen on the coalition - in which case, big Lib split looming - or just too busy for trifles such as this?

tomofthenest, Saturday, 8 May 2010 01:43 (fifteen years ago)

It doesn't look like Clegg has any good options here. He's in a similar situation to where the Greens were after the last Irish election - go into coalition with a party opposed by most LD supporters without enough leverage to force serious concessions, or stay in opposition, get caned by the RW media for being "unpatriotic" and enhance their reputation as a "permanent opposition" party. If I were Clegg I would only support the Tories if I could guarantee some important policy implementations that I could later point to as worth compromising for - even cabinet seats wouldn't be enough on their own as that just looks like bribery of the party leaders.

The Irish Greens did go into coalition (with Fianna Fáil - maybe less right-wing than the Conservatives, but more corrupt too), even got the Ministry of the Environment, but may come out of the next election with no representative at all.

seandalai, Saturday, 8 May 2010 04:19 (fifteen years ago)

A couple of things:

1) I think the Lib Dems have a very strong hand in negotiations. If they don't get what they want in terms of changing the voting system they should just walk away. A minority Tory government wouldn't be able to achieve anything, so I don't see that Cameron's got much leverage here.

2) If Lib Dem voters / members / MPs aren't keen on the idea of forming part of a coalition with either main party (which many people are suggesting: that siding with Tories/Labour would sit badly with those who feel closer to Labour/Tories), you have to wonder what the point of the Lib Dems is. The chances of them ever forming a majority on their own, even under pure PR, are vanishingly small, so it seems strange to repeatedly campaign to be elected on the basis that you never want to be part of the government.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 8 May 2010 07:41 (fifteen years ago)

A minority Tory government wouldn't be able to achieve anything,

if the current economic problems will not wait until autumn, the LDs risk being blamed for this, so they aren't in that good a position.

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 09:17 (fifteen years ago)

The chances of them ever forming a majority on their own, even under pure PR, are vanishingly small

There was a poll a week or two ago (ie. not right after the first TV debate) in which 49% of those asked said they would vote Lib Dem if they thought they would win. Introducing PR could provide just those circumstances, rather than keeping Lib Dem as just the tactical voter's friend in a lot of seats.

Madchen, Saturday, 8 May 2010 09:23 (fifteen years ago)

i'm sure there share of the vote will go up, but no party will ever form a majority government under PR

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 09:25 (fifteen years ago)

There was a poll a week or two ago (ie. not right after the first TV debate) in which 49% of those asked said they would vote Lib Dem if they thought they would win. Introducing PR could provide just those circumstances, rather than keeping Lib Dem as just the tactical voter's friend in a lot of seats.

― Madchen, Saturday, 8 May 2010 09:23 (38 minutes ago) Bookmark

These were the same polls that gave them 110 seats in the current UK parliament though, in fairness.

Meowsy McDermott, Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:04 (fifteen years ago)

There's a tipping point around 37% of the national vote where seats fall to the Lib Dems in massive & disproportionate numbers, and they weren't that far away in some polls after the first debate

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:04 (fifteen years ago)

I wonder effect the Tories failing to win even with such an unpopular govt has on swing voters. Do they think "these fuckers really are unelectable" and switch to the LibDems?

I don't know any openly Tory voters, so guessing their mindset is hard

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:43 (fifteen years ago)

Apparently Brown and Clegg had a phone conversation last night that was less a conversation and more a diatribe from Brown, which has left Lab-LD relations looking pretty shaky. Three LD meetings today - front bench, all MPs and then fed exec. Then we'll know (or know more about we don't know, which is unknowable, or something).

Michael Jones, Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:52 (fifteen years ago)

quite apart from anything else, the internal tory party blame game should be a fun bit of schadenfreude.

still think the ideal would be a lib-lab pact in opposition (with brown replaced as leader asap) - let the tories try to plough on with a minority govt, let them look weak, let them bear the brunt of economic shittiness (with the added bonus that with osborne as chancellor they're bound to fuck it up anyway - i think even the RW press would relish giving him a kicking).

Somehow I missed that the LibDems took Wells (where I went to school) from (Tory) David Heathcunt-Amory thanks to a 6% swing from Labour. As amazing and unlikely as that was, it will mean shit if Clegg gets cosy with Cameron.

ha i went to school there too! i'm so pleased about that - it's been tory-held since 1924. and my parents voted tory there while i failed to sort out a postal vote, so i'm thrilled it went lib dem anyway. tessa munt is a good egg imo.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:56 (fifteen years ago)

xp haha oh gordon please please please go away now and stop fucking things up.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:57 (fifteen years ago)

Kind of boggling at everyone claiming not to know any open Tories! I can understand it socially but where do you work?

(In fact one of the most consistent themes of the past week for me has been the shared rush of relief when you discover that the person you're talking to isn't a Tory, and the careful fencing with hints beforehand?)

Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, that. I did post a little bit of a Tory rant in one of my work emails on Thursday, which didn't go down too well as it happens. Give a f'.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:59 (fifteen years ago)

I have a couple of good friends who are open tories and my best mate from uni is a Con/UKIP switherer. They are both lovely in all kinds of other ways, and we *never* discuss politics.

Madchen, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:02 (fifteen years ago)

All three on telly together at the moment, at the cenotaph for VE day. Weird sight.

JimD, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:02 (fifteen years ago)

I can understand it socially but where do you work?

Lol Glasgow media

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:03 (fifteen years ago)

That Not-A-Tory relief thing is something I'm experiencing too - at work (lunchtime conversation on Wednesday dominated by "hope they fall short" sentiments and centre-left coalition hopes) and with local parents (all of whom seem relieved at the lack of Cam maj).

I unfriended/blocked one Facebook contact earlier in the week but that's about it (far worse for P and her loony former highschool chums who are all Jeeezus and Palin).

Michael Jones, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)

still think the ideal would be a lib-lab pact in opposition (with brown replaced as leader asap) - let the tories try to plough on with a minority govt, let them look weak, let them bear the brunt of economic shittiness (with the added bonus that with osborne as chancellor they're bound to fuck it up anyway - i think even the RW press would relish giving him a kicking).

Yes, this seems about right. Brown should fall on his sword now, that way he gets to go with dignity and Labour can take the moral high ground. If Milliband were to take over and attempt to form a government there'd be such a shit storm that there's another 'unelected' PM that Labour would be wiped out in any autumn election.

I'm in William Hague's constituency and I know quite a few tories who are splenetic at the though of Labour or Brown staying in power. Like Madchen I avoid talking politics with them.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

Brown should fall on his sword now, that way he gets to go with dignity and Labour can take the moral high ground.

lol too late

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:10 (fifteen years ago)

obv a lib-lab opposition coalition is a gamble as well from clegg's pov: ideally the tory minority govt would last long enough to become unpopular in its own right, but not long enough that it actually rides out the economic storm - another election this year wouldn't give people enough time to start blaming the tories. but wait too long, and clegg could find his own hold over labour diminish, meaning he'd have pissed away his one chance to actually get this PR business going.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:17 (fifteen years ago)

LD people say Brown call was 'perfectly amicable', not heated at all and say Clegg said he'd be following plan from his Fri statement.

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:19 (fifteen years ago)

I do wonder if a lot of the European politicians are quietly begging Brown not to fall on his sword just yet, as they have a lot of shit they need him to be involved in sorting out just now.

Madchen, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:21 (fifteen years ago)

Don't think Obama's looking forward to The Lightweight either.

sharia twain (suzy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:22 (fifteen years ago)

Constitutionally Brown can't really resign until there is a plan for a replacement government. All this nonsense in the Sun about him squatting in #10.

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

lol

http://imgur.com/0TRhu.jpg

James Mitchell, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

From the BBC:

1206: With solemn faces and carrying wreaths, the three party leaders emerge onto Whitehall side by side as the VE Day ceremony begins.

Gotta love Britain.

Ned Trifle II, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:43 (fifteen years ago)

Ha ha ha, OMG, that photo. There's something so completely high school about that.

I've actually bought several newspapers this morning trying to make sense of it all. The shock for me was the big multicoloured policy-o-gram in the Independent where the 3 parties overlap and how - and realising that on policy basis, I overlap far more with Lib/Dem than with Labour, even though I was brought up Labour and have always thought of them as being the party I was more aligned with - despite the obvious major policy errors.

I've heard *nothing* but complaints and people saying "if LD go with Tory, they have lost my support" - from dozens of people in different settings. Most of the people I know were planning on voting LD and feel completely betrayed by the idea of LD even thinking of aligning with the Tories.

Anyway. It's a mess. I just feel confused and dismayed.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:01 (fifteen years ago)

I wonder if the Tory press will upbraid Clegg for not wearing a black tie?

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:04 (fifteen years ago)

Which one of those 3 has had the most sleep in the past 48 hours, do you think?

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:08 (fifteen years ago)

i'm actually finding having NO GOVERNMENT weirdly exhilarating - of course i just love chaos and ~drama~ wherever it happens though, so of course i'm finding this addictive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHExVS09qRI

am sort of assuming clegg's talks w/the tories are for show, unless cameron is so desperate for power that he offers substantially more to the lib dems than he's currently doing (and substantially more than is plausible)? clegg must know how many LD voters would feel betrayed by any con-dem coalition, but it's also important that he at least shows willing to consider cameron's offer.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:10 (fifteen years ago)

xp Probably Clegg. Nick Robinson was saying on the BBC yesterday that the LibDems have all these different coalition/power sharing possibilities figured out way in advance.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:11 (fifteen years ago)

TBF neither is Cameron

xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:12 (fifteen years ago)

One of the few funnies to come out of this...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01632/matt08052010_1632314a.jpg

(Please hotlink, I don't want to post a link to the Torygraph)

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:13 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg must realise that Cameron will offer very little in the way of concessions, and that the Tories will immediately try to take back any power they "share". Plus, as lex notes, a lot of LibDem voters will feel burned.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:14 (fifteen years ago)

Also I just realised that I wore a tie exactly like Clegg's to my last job interview.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:16 (fifteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_and_supply

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:20 (fifteen years ago)

Gives an awful lot of power to the smaller party doesn't it? Has the government over the barrel of a gun, as they can call a motion of no confidence whenever they want. Good for Lib Dems, not so good for the Tories wd imagine. Have I got that right?

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:22 (fifteen years ago)

yes, they have a lot of power in the sense that the relationship is extremely unstable.

i certainly think cameron would prefer some sort of formal relationship, but i don't think one exists that i) the tory back bench could support ii) the LD party could support iii) would not result in serious losses for the LDs at the next election (which may not be far away).

so i think a confidence and supply arrangement lasting ~1 year is probably the least bad choice for the LDs.

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:35 (fifteen years ago)

Better than a similar one with Labour? Nobody voted LD who wanted the Tories in (tacticals aside); plenty voted LD to keep the Tories out and will be pissed at any sort of a deal.

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:44 (fifteen years ago)

They could get a Queen's speech through, but LD + Labour + SDLP MP count is less than 326 and probably ten too low to last more than a few months, even with occasional Green/Alliance/SNP/PC support. There is a real legitimacy problem with a coalition made up of two parties who both lost seats too, which will make the press scream blue murder, and embolden opposition within parliament.

Clegg is stuck, really. Confidence and Supply is the least deal-with-Cameron-like thing he can do.

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:49 (fifteen years ago)

The idea of a Lib-Lab coalition in opposition is deluded. The Tories will do everything to cling to power. Even as a minority government they still have the right to call an election, which they can do to their favour by waiting until the polls are good for them, thus commanding an overall majority at the election. Then we're really fucked.

Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:50 (fifteen years ago)

He can try to sell it as minority government or whatever, and he's (quite correctly) banking on the tories tearing themselves to pieces again within a year or two.

He wouldn't have any of these problems if he'd have taken ~10 MPs off the Conservatives rather than lost a bunch.

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:51 (fifteen years ago)

xp, A minority government is in constant danger of losing a vote and being forced to call an election, so they don't necessarily get to choose.

But yeah, an election in the _near_ future, barring conservative infighting, would certainly result in a conservative government. Not necessarily because their intrinsic support will be improved by events, but because of a "give them a fair go" sentiment.

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:54 (fifteen years ago)

plus labour and lib dems really can't afford another election anytime soon (whilst the tories have ashcroft's huge funds), so don't expect any Vote of No Confidence this year unless things look really bad for the tories.

nevermind312, Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

lol maybe clegg could make state financing for political parties/some kind of anti-ashcroft party financing legislation one of his conditions in the negosh

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:31 (fifteen years ago)

Salmond calling for Lab-Lib-SNP-PC deal

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:34 (fifteen years ago)

that would give them 324 seats, which is effectively a majority with Sinn Fein not sitting. And if they added the SDLP they'd have 327.

nevermind312, Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

what is salmond's problem with the sdlp?

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

saw some lab dude saying fu to salmond, or the increasingly pro-tory bbc saying so

i mean, it wouldn't be the stablest of coalitions

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:50 (fifteen years ago)

annoying how the bbc has gone so pro-tory this election to try and save their backs.

nevermind312, Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago)

Salmond calling for Lab-Lib-SNP-PC deal

that's still my hope, albeit a small one

this idea that a conservative minority govt will be sundered at a low ebb of clegg's choosing seems unlikely to me, caek's scenario of tories winning a second election seems quite feasible

i don't see them srsly losing support with swingeing cuts; it will be presented as an emergency transcending party politics that the tories simply have to fix and gives cameron a chance to show himself as strong, decisive, 'you don't have to like me but you know what's good for you' etc

a 'left' coalition would cause a firestorm in the papers and it could be dangerous if it collapses, but if you think a conservative govt would be endless internecine squabbling then imagine how a conservative opposition might fare - the anti-hilton/coulson wing is already foaming about the inability to gain a majority

nakhchivan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

1000 protestors have gathered outside Lib Dem HQ.

"FAIR VOTES NOW" etc.

nevermind312, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)

If that causes the tories to tack right, then - should we get a second election - the feeling that they deserve a fair go might mean a large majority for something further to the right than anything on offer this week.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:09 (fifteen years ago)

sure

nakhchivan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:11 (fifteen years ago)

im really not sure if this "fair crack of the whip" thing will transpire among voters. it all hinges on what happens within the labour party.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:11 (fifteen years ago)

though also i guess the poisonous media. i mean, the evening standard's front page yesterday was just extraordinary (that or im just naive). tory voters will suffer under the tories, though, and that will become apparent to them. all labour needs to do is to not install ed balls.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think it exists for its own sake, but I think it would if they were having difficulty with getting relatively popular measures through - I'm just saying that everyone might have an interest in going easy on Cameron here

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)

im really not sure if this "fair crack of the whip" thing will transpire among voters

that's probably not how ppl think, an upsurge in tory support would probably have more to do with a sort of craven sympathy for an apparently decisive right wing govt

maybe compares tenuously to gwb's approval ratings immediately after the wtc attacks, with a pavlovian (haaa) surge to the 'decisive' leader

nakhchivan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:23 (fifteen years ago)

i don't see them srsly losing support with swingeing cuts
Depends where those cuts are, innit? And the Tory instincts will be to axe child tax credits and other things that appear so small as to be insignificant to millionaires, but which loom a lot larger when you're not earning Tory money.

I don't see the "fair crack of the whip" thing either. People back a party if they think it's going to win, and by losing against a massively unpopular govt at a time like this -- and without a LibDem surge to blame it on -- the Tories have shown they still aren't a bunch of winners.

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:27 (fifteen years ago)

can't rly see labour signing up to full pr btw

nakhchivan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:33 (fifteen years ago)

ha, no

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:33 (fifteen years ago)

nick clegg live at smith sq haha

nakhchivan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:44 (fifteen years ago)

maybe not "fair crack of the whip" more "oh shit we need a government + every single paper is telling me to vote for george osborne so whatevs"

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)

LOLLLLLLL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSlt-vedyL8

sharia twain (suzy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 16:46 (fifteen years ago)

the interview that inspired the anti-burley protesting made my blood boil. the murdochs make our world a worse place to be for everyone.

went ham in a bad way (stevie), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew

colossal cunt, needs blasting into space

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)

o_O

caek, Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)

WHY DON'T YOU GO HOME AND WATCH SKY NEWS?

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)

I thought this was quite bad earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KExTelt3MkE
but that interview was was fucking dreadful.

If Murdoch manages to covert Sky News into a UK Fox News (which is his end goal) then she'd definitely get an O'Reilly/Glenn Beck-esque programme to herself.

nevermind312, Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)

What's this 65% of the population voted for a hung parliament bullshit, how does she know that? I don't remember seeing that option on my ballot paper.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)

Kay Burley is an awful awful woman. I saw her once getting her helper to take items off the supermarket shelf for her, as she pointed out what she wanted.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:40 (fifteen years ago)

Self-satisfied complacency in her own knee-jerk, ill-thought out and reactionary responses - a sort of sneering contempt for anything thoughtful, shrill superiority for anything she considers heartfelt. She's a monster. She also confused a questioner once by saying 'Is that grease to the mill?', and then when he said 'Wot' she said, loudly, and patronisingly clearly, with a hint of irriation in her voice 'IS. THAT. GREASE. TO. THE. MILL.'

V warm feeling inside.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)

So glad I don't watch Sky, she's dreadful. 'Traipsing'.

sharia twain (suzy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)

I used to have a boss like Burley. The "oh shiiiiiit" look on her face when I handed in my notice was priceless.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)

65% is the turn-out. She's clearly deranged.

Ned Trifle II, Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)

I also presume she's just fed this stuff through an earpiece a la Broadcast News?

Ned Trifle II, Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

"Keep saying 65% Kay, you've got him on the run!"

Ned Trifle II, Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

wow. she's quite something.

cajunsunday, Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

"Why don't I go watch at home on SKY? Because I wanted to come down to the white-hot fulcrum of the story as it happens, just to see if your Botox is as bad as it looks when I do."

sharia twain (suzy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:40 (fifteen years ago)

Today, one senior frontbencher rounded on the Conservative leader, demanding that he sack key figures involved in the campaign, including the man who ran it, George Osborne, the shadow chancellor. The frontbencher said: "He ran his campaign from the back of his Jaguar with a smug, smarmy little clique – people like Osborne, [Oliver] Letwin and Michael Gove. He should get rid of all of them. The party will settle for nothing less."

nakhchivan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:41 (fifteen years ago)

that wouldd be pretty cramped

nakhchivan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)

I wonder if the people who are parents at the primary school where Gove sends his kids will ever dob him in for being one of those people who fakes religion to win a place.

sharia twain (suzy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)

Are the Tories chronically unable to stop infighting now? You'd think being a bawhair from power would create a touch of unity.

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

Not id it's Lord Ashcroft whinging loudest, which the Obs is reporting is the case. *rubs hands together*

sharia twain (suzy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, mirror too. This weekend's going to be great. Tory civil war, LibDem handwringing and, if rumours are right, a massive amount of leadership contender jostling in Labour.

stet, Saturday, 8 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think this is such a big deal as the Guardian makes out (it's surely not going to be a surprise to Clegg that the tories aren't keen on some aspects of the EU) but it's interesting reading nevertheless.

We are firm supporters of enlargement

Naturally.

Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 9 May 2010 09:47 (fifteen years ago)

This is going to be a bugger for people doing their early 21st Century British Politics paper in, say, 150 years' time. Really separate the men from the positronic android pupae.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Sunday, 9 May 2010 09:54 (fifteen years ago)

Nice to hear Tebbit laying into the campaign and the Tories in general this morning, let the internal wrangling carry on for a long time. Especially fun was him dissing the abysmal campaign for Howard, til he was reminded that Cameron wrote the manifesto.....

problem chimp (Porkpie), Sunday, 9 May 2010 10:03 (fifteen years ago)

I don't know what people are doing today but Kay Burley's been assigned to outside broadcast at Westminster again...

sharia twain (suzy), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

I don't know about anyone else, but I kinda feel like standing right beside her screaming 65% as loud as I can whenever she tries to talk.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:10 (fifteen years ago)

Feel like getting in her face and repeatedly asking her "What are you doing out here, trying to make the news? Shouldn't you be at home watching the news?" and not giving her time to answer or even breathe.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:21 (fifteen years ago)

Also really want to school her on how 65% turnout ≠ "65% people voted for a hung parliament". But I reckon the only way to do that is MB's approach really.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

Is there any news?

caek, Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:27 (fifteen years ago)

i don't know ne1 in what douchebags call "the westminster village" well enough to know. and tbh none of them are likely senior enough to know.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:29 (fifteen years ago)

(a quick search of the ilx archive reveals that i am the only poster to have used that phrase -- ironically of course. totally being ironic.)

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

Spectator is saying Brown may resign by the afternoon, but I don't know how much weight to put on that...

carson dial, Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:33 (fifteen years ago)

just lots of static on andrew marr this morning by the looks of it.

i'm not desperate for this to be resolved, but i'm a little surprised it's taking this long. LDs must have worked out loads of scenarios and come in to meetings with detailed negotiating documents.

caek, Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:33 (fifteen years ago)

someone was saying they went into scottish coalition negotiations with labour (or SNP? no idea what happens in scotland) and surprised the other dudes by turning up with a 24 page document with line-by-line comments on their manifesto and the opposition's.

caek, Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:35 (fifteen years ago)

i did wonder if GB went north this weekend in order to mull over resigning

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5972558/niall-ferguson-britain-should-call-the-imf-now.thtml

this is a nice bit of hubris from leading -- i don't want to use this word but sometimes... -- cunt niall ferguson, published the day before the election. all of this scaremongering about the future of sterling contradicts what i understand of the situation from the FT. granted im not an economist, but, then, economists are basically up there with faith healers and televangelists in the big book of frauds. a rise in interest rates would be very bad right now, but then so would putting lots of people out of work. i simply don't trust the tories, who plainly want to cut away out of ideology/naked spite.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:41 (fifteen years ago)

<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/09/labour-split-coalition-brown";>Labour split on power-sharing appears as MP calls for Brown to step down</a>

<blockquote>... Peter Hain stressed that a coalition with the Liberal Democrats could trigger a "progressive package of reform which fundamentally changes British politics forever and puts the voter in charge. The Tories are a roadblock to this."

His comments appeared to be aimed at a growing opposition within Labour to coalition with the Lib Dems. "There is a strong feeling that we have had a soft landing in this election," said one source. "A mainstream within the party now believes that if Nick Clegg and David Cameron want to form a coalition they should do so. The better situation for us is to regroup in opposition."

But Hain said voters had clearly and unequivocally voted for "new politics and power-sharing". He added: "If they had simply wanted the baton to pass from Labour to Conservative, as it has to and fro for 60 years, then they would have overwhelmingly given the Conservatives a clear majority like in 1979. But they didn't. They expressly voted in a different way. This is a cathartic moment. This is not about who is up and who is down, machine politics and narrow self-interest. It should be about seizing the moment by responding to our mandate."</blockquote>

micheline, Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

nick clegg's on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290433096884

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:45 (fifteen years ago)

Ha, I saw that.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:47 (fifteen years ago)

Q: Are you sure the item is genuine, only I believe the original product was programmed at Westminster and pirate versions often substitute the Eton OS by mistake? 09-May-10
A: The label says Eton. Perhaps this one slipped through the net! I'll check the registration and come back to you.

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:47 (fifteen years ago)

14 year old voter has better understanding of election than most legal voters shocker:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/09/alfie-mckenzie-14-year-old-voter

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)

Pity he's not going to be old enough to vote in the next General Election either.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Sunday, 9 May 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

this is a nice bit of hubris from leading -- i don't want to use this word but sometimes... -- cunt niall ferguson

Clearly this is what they were going for before the election. All that "we'll have to look at the books" bollocks and then "Oh, no, there's a massive deficit...shit...no-one told us..we'll have to be much more ruthless than we said, it's not our fault..." Ferguson is such a macho alpha dick (which he uses at every opportunity, allegedly). Sitting in Harvard on 5m a year telling Osbourne to "wield the axe ruthlessly". Shit, sorry politics of envy taking over, must stop now.

Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:11 (fifteen years ago)

nick clegg's on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290433096884

Wonder if he'll find it so funny when the bill for the final value fees come through.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

The highlight of my week was refusing an interview with the Sun, not just because I'm a Liverpool fan but also because I have some sense of decency. In any case, I read the Guardian, of course.

Falling out with the Mail (I honestly thought they might be decent about it; silly me!) was interesting. Their second piece on me was just a lie; they ignored all of my truths.

What a cool, smart kid that Alfie MacKenzie is, the lad's going to go far.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:27 (fifteen years ago)

like a young billy hague

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:34 (fifteen years ago)

he seems like a total prick

caek, Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:36 (fifteen years ago)

Haha that Mackenzie article is the gift that keeps on giving. William Hague meets Max Gogarty meets Polly Toynbee meets Justin Bieber. Can't wait until he grows up to be K-Punk.

Precocious little tit, but then again aren't we all at that age?

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:53 (fifteen years ago)

Starting to think that my ideal scenario from all this is a weak and compromised, infighting Tory government that falls apart within months. There won't be any Ashcroft millions if they need to fight another campaign within the year.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:54 (fifteen years ago)

Ashcroft sounds ready to throw his toys from the pram as it is.

sharia twain (suzy), Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:55 (fifteen years ago)

kind of excited for the first europe debate too.

caek, Sunday, 9 May 2010 13:02 (fifteen years ago)

where's the ashcroft stuff reported?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Sunday, 9 May 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/08/david-cameron-faces-tory-anger

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

On one hand Ashcroft really hasn't had a return on his £5m investment with Cameron, on the other bigger hand lol karma.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 May 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

Another senior and normally loyal Tory MP complained that Cameron's big idea for the campaign – "the Big Society", under which armies of volunteers would come together to tackle the country's ills – was "complete crap".

"We couldn't sell that stuff on the doorstep. It was pathetic. All we needed was a simple message on policy. We could have won a majority if we had not had to try to sell this nonsense."

Rong.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

You'll never convince a right wing Tory that what they speak is not the absolute and popular truth that no-one will admit to in public...

Mark G, Sunday, 9 May 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)

The Conservatives came close to win a majority but they fell short of 16,000 votes.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7120733.ece

micheline, Sunday, 9 May 2010 17:33 (fifteen years ago)

that's specious shit, you could do something similar w/ places where they won by ~2000> or so, as with many elections (like in 2004 a fairly small number of votes in ohio and a coupla other places wd have won it for john kerry)

the times is a load of fucking wank

nakhchivan, Sunday, 9 May 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)

Sure I read some insanity or other this morning calculating that the Tories lost the crucial seats by almost exactly the votes shed to UKIP. The lesson was that the election would've been won had they stuck to a hardline eurosceptic front 'and I very much doubt that we would have lost a single vote among those drawn to the Cameroons'

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 9 May 2010 17:53 (fifteen years ago)

^^^ The Daily Mail argued this I believe. My old man, as a UKIP voting anti-EU guy who would never have voted Tory reckons this argument is bollocks. And he reads the Daily Mail ffs.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 May 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)

It's not just bollocks politically (i.e. the assumption that all UKIP voters really wanted to vote Tory and that a hardline Eurosceptic stance from the Tories would have taken all the UKIP votes without alienating any of their supporters), it's bollocks mathematically as well. If you look at the target seats that they failed to win the winning margin is nearly always larger than the UKIP share of the vote.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 9 May 2010 17:59 (fifteen years ago)

As I never tire of telling my Dad, if a significant proportion of the electorate gave that much of a shit either way, then the Referendum Party would've bagged MPs when Jimmy Goldsmith was throwing money at them.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 May 2010 18:01 (fifteen years ago)

Ho ho Nadine Dorries you are a card!
£10,000 claim makes Tory the first MP in an expenses row

Dorries claimed a total of more than £40,000 in expenses for services provided by Marketing Management (Midlands), owned by her friend Lynn Elson.

In a totally unrelated development.
http://twitter.com/nadine4mp

If only there more like her.

Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 9 May 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)

Also lol at the Times 'political map of Britain'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00705/165_705560p.jpg

I know...there's just showing the important bit.

Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 9 May 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

my LD MP seems v skeptical about the prospect of a formal arrangement with *either* party. i wouldn't have thought he's inner-circle, however.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Sunday, 9 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2693

Meowsy McDermott, Sunday, 9 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

The English Democrats put up 107 candidates and saved 1 deposit in Doncaster North (5.2%). The Christian party put up 70 candidates, and lost all their deposits. Their highest vote was 1.8% in Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey.

the christian party seems p prominent on east/south ldn billboards. deep pockets.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Sunday, 9 May 2010 22:25 (fifteen years ago)

A quick shufti at the headlines suggests this lib-con pact is going to happen. Surely a big mistake for them. Clegg 'surprised at Cameron's flexibility on key issues'. Well he'll be even more surprised when they get sold down the river then. Wonder how long it'll last.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 10 May 2010 07:18 (fifteen years ago)

Smug Tory twat on BBC Breakfast once again pushing the 'unelected Prime Minister' line (this time for whoever would replace Brown in a hypothetical Lab-Lib-Others coalition). Quite apart from all the usual arguments about this (i.e. we don't elect a Prime Minister in this country, we elect local MPs; the precedent was already well-established in recent history with Callaghan and then Major taking over; that Tories are really complaining about there being a Labour PM, not which one it is in particular, and that the only people who could reasonably complain would be Labour voters who had thought they were electing a Blair government, not a Brown one, yet the polls clearly showed that by 2005 Brown was more popular than Blair and everyone knew Blair was going to stand down and Brown was 90% certain to take over)...quite apart from that: in what sense would Cameron be an 'elected Prime Minister' anyway? He didn't fucking win.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 10 May 2010 07:38 (fifteen years ago)

At the same time, I'm not sure who is supposed to benefit from a Labour govt propped up by the LibDems and *still* with fewer seats than the Tories, under assault from all sides, during the few months it limps towards an autumn election that the Tories win comfortably.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 08:32 (fifteen years ago)

What do you mean 'fewer seats than the Tories'?

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 10 May 2010 08:36 (fifteen years ago)

Sorry, forget that, bad maths - the LibDems have more seats than I thought.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 08:38 (fifteen years ago)

Con+LD > Lab+LD > Con
If a Con/LibDem coalition can't be formed then Lab/LibDem is the obvious second choice, which is why the Tories are endlessly bleating about it having no legitimacy and how Cameron clearly 'won' the election.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 10 May 2010 08:43 (fifteen years ago)

won't it need nationalist support?

im as unsure as ne1 else of what would be best. s0 many permutations.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 08:53 (fifteen years ago)

At the same time, I'm not sure who is supposed to benefit from a Labour govt propped up by the LibDems and *still* with fewer seats than the Tories, under assault from all sides, during the few months it limps towards an autumn election that the Tories win comfortably.

I agree. I think Labour has to stay as far away from the governing of the country as possible and just aim to be around to pick up the pieces/votes

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 08:54 (fifteen years ago)

the permutation that worries me is that the labour leadership fight turns nasty in a benn/healy/foot era stylee, and they end up losing seats next time. i suppose it's a fair point that brown did almost as badly as foot.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 08:59 (fifteen years ago)

Surely any sonotgonnahappen LibLab government is only going to exist as long as is necessary to get electoral reforms through anyway? Surely the only way that works, is if Brown bows out and his successory proclaims himself to only be an interim leader with the promise of another election in November (or whenever)?

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:00 (fifteen years ago)

Did Gordon lose the election? Yes.

Did Cameron win the election? No.

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:02 (fifteen years ago)

(xpost to Tom) I would agree with that, but only as a question of *tactics* (i.e. what would be best for the Labour party in the middle-to-long term), not as a question of *legitimacy*. If the Tories can't do a deal with the Lib Dems, by giving them the one thing they want, then they need to accept that they might be giving up the opportunity to form the next government. It's all very well saying "but we got the most seats! we got the most votes! we increased our votes/seats and you lost yours!", but the point is they didn't do this enough. Labour + Lib Dems still have more seats than the Tories (315 > 306) and picked up far more votes (15.4 million > 10.7 million). Just because they increased their share of the vote from about 32% to 36%, it doesn't mean they are a more legitimate minority government than a combination of two parties that picked up 59% of the vote.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:02 (fifteen years ago)

i suppose it's a fair point that brown did almost as badly as foot.

He didn't really though, did he? In terms of the state the Labour Party is in.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:03 (fifteen years ago)

i mean in terms of vote share, but yeah fair play, they are comparatively fighting fit right now.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:05 (fifteen years ago)

Can't see that Foot/Healy/Benn scenario happening unless Brown refuses to stand down even in opposition, in which case they're fucked. Who is going to stand outside either Miliband, Ed Balls, Harman and John Cruddas?

Balls's stock must be massively down given he only just hung onto his seat and Harman and Cruddas aren't going to win. The latter would be nice, although maybe not at this point in history.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:06 (fifteen years ago)

yeah i don't think cruddas is gonna happen. wouldn;t be so sure about la harms. she is better on tv than ed balls.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:07 (fifteen years ago)

fred west would have been better on tv than ed balls tho

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, I reckon Balls needs a new constituency before he'd get elected leader. So, close shave there.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)

miliband vs miliband fight, please let this happen

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)

:)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:09 (fifteen years ago)

Labour might be comparatively fighting fit in a winning seats or forming governments sense, in the sense of being a party that's got anything to offer people who want economic or social democracy, not so much.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:09 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe Tony Benn can be persuaded to come out of retirement. Sorry, it's just that every feasible outcome of this process makes me want to shoot myself, so I'm retreating into fantasy.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:11 (fifteen years ago)

obligatory "1997 called; it wants its post back" zing

xpost

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:11 (fifteen years ago)

the temporary lib/lab coalition for electoral reform likely wouldn't go further than alternative voting

if as seems more likely a lib/con formal-tho-noncoalition arrangement happens, the libdems ought to insist on a commitment for a certain period of time so that it can't simply be dissolved at a time convenient for the conservatives

also one of the good outcomes of either arrangement could be the cancellation of the id card program

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:11 (fifteen years ago)

yeah anything that puts the mockers on the Labour party's rush to police statedom is a positive but let's give the Tories a chance to get properly into the saddle eh?

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:13 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe Tony Benn can be persuaded to come out of retirement.

And make the Labour Party (even more) unelectable the way he did the first time round? Thanks for Thatcher, Tony.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:14 (fifteen years ago)

I agree. I think Labour has to stay as far away from the governing of the country as possible and just aim to be around to pick up the pieces/votes

What if this con-lib coalition lasts 3-4 years and the economy is doing a bit better by then? Could mean the Tories in power for the next 10+ years (and Clegg has said 'political reform' instead of 'electoral reform' which might mean a fixed 4 to 5 year parliament instead of Cameron calling an election in the autumn.)

As Clegg is meeting his MPs at 13.00 we should know a lot more about this deal through the odd disgruntled MP leaking info.

I think Lib+Lab+Nationalists+1x green+ 1x Alliance is...something that hasn't been looked at. Don't see why it isn't workable, at least for 18 months, enough time to get through electoral reform and ride through the cuts. many xps

xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:15 (fifteen years ago)

I enjoy the "Trots made Thatch" argument as much as the next guy but we shd really have a bit more appreciation for the spectacular skills of the Callaghan gov and the nascent SDP.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:15 (fifteen years ago)

What if this con-lib coalition lasts 3-4 years and the economy is doing a bit better by then?

Why would anyone vote Liberal Democrat by that time? Why would they even exist?

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:16 (fifteen years ago)

Depends on the deal and what they might get through with the Tories..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:19 (fifteen years ago)

Lib-Con coalition a spectacular success for the Libs under Lloyd George iirc

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:20 (fifteen years ago)

I enjoy the "Trots made Thatch" argument as much as the next guy but we shd really have a bit more appreciation for the spectacular skills of the Callaghan gov and the nascent SDP.

that precedent for 'unelected' pms looks rosy with callaghan, major, and brown himself

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:20 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe Tony Benn can be persuaded to come out of retirement.

Anyone see that his granddaughter Emily was the Labour candidate for Worthing? She's only 20, dunno if that makes her the youngest candidate ever or something. Got totally trounced though, came third or something.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:22 (fifteen years ago)

Or something.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:23 (fifteen years ago)

I keep trying to avoid all this stuff for periods of time, but it hasn't been possible. I just don't want to see another terrible editorial cartoon writer pretend the 'hung = hanged' thing is at all witty.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:23 (fifteen years ago)

Lib-Con alliance just won't last very long because at some point the Liberals will twig that they are being totally dicked around and run the risk of their support atrophying.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:28 (fifteen years ago)

Can't they see the inevitabilty of that without actually, y'know, trying it?

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:29 (fifteen years ago)

if g.brown stands down now in pursuance of a lib-lab pact do they need a leadership election to install a new head?

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:33 (fifteen years ago)

every feasible outcome of this process makes me want to shoot myself

qft etc

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:33 (fifteen years ago)

Can Brown actually resign before other arrangements have been made?

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:34 (fifteen years ago)

Agreed. It doesn't seem like there is a "good" way out of this. Just trying to figure out the least-bad option.

You know, kinda like the whole election.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:34 (fifteen years ago)

xxxpost

They'll need a leadership election but in the short term the deputy will take oh fuck

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:34 (fifteen years ago)

Sure.

But he might end up in The Village... (xpost)

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:35 (fifteen years ago)

I think Lib+Lab+Nationalists+1x green+ 1x Alliance is...something that hasn't been looked at. Don't see why it isn't workable, at least for 18 months, enough time to get through electoral reform and ride through the cuts. many xps

― xyzzzz__, Monday, May 10, 2010 10:15 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think ppl are looking at it. alex salmond said b4 thursday (iirc) that his whole deal is being a completely mercenary cunt in circumstances such as these. would take us back to the 1910–14 era where everything hinged on irish votes. that said, better than the tories (?) except this rainbow coalition will be putting through unpopular cuts. cuts salmond will not want made on scotland. that won't be pretty.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:36 (fifteen years ago)

But he might end up in The Village...

"You are Number Ten..."

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:37 (fifteen years ago)

Brown shouldn't worry - his winning personality must mean that media companies and international bodies are falling over themselves to offer him jobs, post-PM.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:37 (fifteen years ago)

Don't see why it isn't workable,

I don't think it has a hope in hell of working

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:38 (fifteen years ago)

I think Lib+Lab+Nationalists+1x green+ 1x Alliance is...something that hasn't been looked at

and the price that the nationalists will exact for their support will be what, i wonder

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:38 (fifteen years ago)

Shd read "as workable as any of the other cock-a-mamie proposals"

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:39 (fifteen years ago)

In that kind of pact the SNP wd surely have votes/face to lose by voting down stuff that their electorate might expect them to support or otherways acting the dick

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:40 (fifteen years ago)

has there been much talk of how exactly clegg will get any proposed coalition/agreement with the tories past the lib dems' triple-lock mechanism instituted precisely in order to prevent party leaders taking the LDs into an unwanted coalition?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:41 (fifteen years ago)

I assumed it wd be by lying

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:42 (fifteen years ago)

Not even a Jedi Master would be able to convince people with the line "no, don't worry, the Tories won't fuck us over at the first opportunity"

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:44 (fifteen years ago)

Labour giving the SNP their referendum wouldn't be a bad move, really, as there's no reason to think that the public will go for it (unless, that is, there is a Tory SE England imposing it's will on Scotland). But this was hardly a resounding success for the SNP, and I think the mandate for independence is looking weaker all the time.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:45 (fifteen years ago)

unless, that is, there is a Tory SE England imposing it's will on Scotland

Stick around...

I think the mandate for independence is looking weaker all the time.

*splutter*

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:46 (fifteen years ago)

The mandate for setting fire to the Home Counties then sowing their fields with salt looking pretty strong at the mo

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:46 (fifteen years ago)

except this rainbow coalition will be putting through unpopular cuts.

Ding ding ding. The coalition would fall apart as parties disagree on the nature of the cuts, another election would be called and the Tories would win with a majority.

Whatever happened to 'good election to lose'? There's likely to be a series of massive strikes across the public sector that will make any government unelectable for a while, would be my guess.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:47 (fifteen years ago)

Well, that's my point - if it's lib/lab/nat then we don't have to worry about the Tories essentially being an alien government here. (and yeah, mandate was the wrong word)

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:47 (fifteen years ago)

x-posts

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:48 (fifteen years ago)

I think Lib+Lab+Nationalists+1x green+ 1x Alliance is...something that hasn't been looked at

Where is that site with the election hungometer? I clicked on everyone who didn't actively offend me on that (Lab, Lib, Green, SNP, PC, SDLP, Alliance, the 1 "Independent" assuming that was Sylvia Hermon; no point adding Sinn Fein, not quite sure if I'd want them anyway) and just barely crossed the threshold, assuming they'd all even take it.

But yes, probably some interesting compromises would have to be made for that, and in the somewhat likely event of economic meltdown and government uselessness that would be rendering all the parties that don't make me sick pretty much unelectable next time round.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:48 (fifteen years ago)

xxxpost

I think the Tories historically do okay by facing down massive public sector strikes, they tend to be more of an issue for Labour.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:48 (fifteen years ago)

I think the Tories historically do okay by facing down massive public sector strikes

Even without a majority?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:50 (fifteen years ago)

In fact in general the problem here is that the Tory party kind of thrives - at least furthers a good chunk of its agenda - in times of recession/economic fuckedness

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:50 (fifteen years ago)

They get to look macho, they get to shift the blame on to them dirty commie Unions, they get to cut public spending like crazy, they get to go back to a naturally masochistic electorate and win a proper majority on "if your life's not worser, it's not working" ticket.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:51 (fifteen years ago)

You can only really give the Falklands the credit for Thatcher '83. In '87 it really was cos voters had got into the sub/dom thing.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:52 (fifteen years ago)

... and North Sea Oil

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:53 (fifteen years ago)

Watch the abuse heaped on public sector workers by the media ratcheted up exponentially in the coming months

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:53 (fifteen years ago)

There's likely to be a series of massive strikes across the public sector that will make any government unelectable for a while, would be my guess.

They've started already

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:53 (fifteen years ago)

The threat of Tory gerrymandering under the guise of cutting MPs is worrying, but it there any chance of them getting that through? I'm sure the right-wing press could easily paint any opposition as MPs protecting their own influence.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:55 (fifteen years ago)

they'd only get it thru with a proper majority I suspect

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:56 (fifteen years ago)

This is it. Do not get this 'good election to lose' = 'them' now, 'us' later. They could get cuts through, face down unions, and then a certain degree of history repeating itself. Circumstances are quite different, there are many possibilities...

None of the members of a 'Lib-lab-nationalists' coalition would form it in the first place unless they worked out details of cuts. xps

xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 May 2010 09:57 (fifteen years ago)

^^ reminders that the answer to Grav. Puz's "don't know any Tories? not even at work?" question is "I work in the public sector"

(though I did in my last job too and shared an office with various don't-really-care-abt-politics-but-will-vote-either-Tory-or-UKIP types, forgot about them)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 10 May 2010 09:58 (fifteen years ago)

I know some Tories - but then I work in the charity sector, so no surprise there

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:01 (fifteen years ago)

lol i know a tory mp!

who, im afraid, is ok, good company, not a racist, not an etonian, etc.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:03 (fifteen years ago)

at my old job, the most reactionary (to the extent of spouting the daily mail line on eg immigrants), sexist dude was a labour party member. the tory party members in the office were perfectly pleasant, socially liberal types.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:06 (fifteen years ago)

I know an etonian tory, son of a former cabinet minister, not telling who

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:08 (fifteen years ago)

Guys,

Tories are perfectly pleasant people, mostly.

They can afford to be.

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:09 (fifteen years ago)

if g.brown stands down now in pursuance of a lib-lab pact do they need a leadership election to install a new head?

I'm no constitutional expert, but Brown could stand down as leader of the labour party but remain PM until a leadership election, much like Major in '95.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:10 (fifteen years ago)

Major wasn't PM when he stood down!

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:12 (fifteen years ago)

In fact in general the problem here is that the Tory party kind of thrives - at least furthers a good chunk of its agenda - in times of recession/economic fuckedness

point taken but i'm not convinced that in this specific time of economic fuckedness, and with public hostility to all politicians generally still so prevalent, that a tory minority govt with george osborne as chancellor would necessarily thrive

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:13 (fifteen years ago)

Kall For Kuddly Ken

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:14 (fifteen years ago)

Then again, if Uncle Vince Cable is wielding the axe...

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:15 (fifteen years ago)

Well, Brown is gone from Number 10, the Queen is back in London, and all the senior Tories have just disappeared from the Commons. Looks like they've got it.

carson dial, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:16 (fifteen years ago)

Major wasn't PM when he stood down!

Um, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Major#1995_leadership_election

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:19 (fifteen years ago)

Major wasn't PM when he stood down!

Who was then? This is '95 we're talking about - the Redwood challenge.

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:19 (fifteen years ago)

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Admin/BkFill/Default_image_group/2010/5/10/1273476300085/David-Cameron-leaves-his--006.jpg
http://www.zuguide.com/image/Gary-Oldman-Dracula.jpg

Botox wearing off, true face starting to emerge...

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:21 (fifteen years ago)

Now there's a metaphor for ya

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

At least since the Lib Dems lost here then any unpleasant pacts they make are not my fault for voting for them I guess :(

(trying to make 2 bad things into 1 silver lining, failing)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

I saw real actual Morris dancers in blackface in Trafalgar Square on Saturday, my first assumption was that this meant Cameron was officially PM.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:28 (fifteen years ago)

Modern Conservative Party. Ethnics welcome, innit?

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:29 (fifteen years ago)

"I met a 40 year old man in blackface in Plymouth..."

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:31 (fifteen years ago)

Is the wearing purple thing taking off?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:32 (fifteen years ago)

i've been pulling it off for years

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:33 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.purplealliance.co.uk/

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:36 (fifteen years ago)

still no conclusion. i mean, hague is smiling about it and saying it's going well but who the sod knows.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:36 (fifteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47813000/jpg/_47813551_cameronandclegg226282.jpg

These do not look dudes in the right state to make decisions of this magnitude.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:38 (fifteen years ago)

Guys,

Tories are perfectly pleasant people, mostly.

They can afford to be.

― Mark G, 10 May 2010 10:09 (29 minutes ago)

kind of a valuable thought imo.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

Even Charlie Kennedy would be ashamed to be seen out looking like Clegg does there

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:41 (fifteen years ago)

guys you had the 'image before substance' PM already, and he was a cunt, remember?

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:43 (fifteen years ago)

Well we've got another one (or two) now

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:45 (fifteen years ago)

not judging by pic of clegg there, in fairness.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

danny alexander's a funny lookin guy

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:50 (fifteen years ago)

He looks about 16

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:50 (fifteen years ago)

Always worth remembering that about a fifth of the Lib Dem MPs are in Scotland - which is (a lot) more even than the Labour Party. So go ahead form your coalition with the Tories then.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:56 (fifteen years ago)

and alexander's constituency is in the highlands, site of some of the tories' most progressive 'big society' public/private partnership initiatives back in the day

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

Most of the Lib Dem (and SNP) seats are in areas that are basically Tory anyway

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:59 (fifteen years ago)

I can reveal that the Liberal Democrat negotiating team met over the weekend not just with the Tories but, in secret, with a team from Labour consisting of Peter Mandelson, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls and Andrew Adonis, says the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson. So far, I can get no official comment from either party about what was discussed.

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)

Up the Workers

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 11:08 (fifteen years ago)

I can reveal that the Liberal Democrat negotiating team met over the weekend not just with the Tories but, in secret, with a team from Labour consisting of Peter Mandelson, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls and Andrew Adonis, says the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson. So far, I can get no official comment from either party about what was discussed.

Note the absence of Gordon Brown there.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

didn't he go back to scotland over the weekend

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 11:57 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah but weren't he and Darling involved with sorting out the EU finances? xp

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Monday, 10 May 2010 11:58 (fifteen years ago)

I don't know, first he saves the world now he has to sort out the EU's finances..

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2010 11:58 (fifteen years ago)

typically robust caledonian humour from brown tho, 'mandelson balls adonis miliband'

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:00 (fifteen years ago)

Note the absence of Gordon Brown there.

Clegg and Cameron haven't had any in depth discussions -- only selected teams from both parties.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:08 (fifteen years ago)

they met for 70mins in private the other night supposedly

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:11 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron and Clegg had two short-ish meetings (about 45 mins I heard) as opposed to one meeting between Clegg and Brown.

Anyway it seems that extensive notes etc are taking place between teams representing the leaders/parties.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:15 (fifteen years ago)

Your chance to shout at Kay Burley

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:31 (fifteen years ago)

GOAL! It's now 2-2:

1320: Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg met each other again earlier today, the BBC learns.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Monday, 10 May 2010 12:57 (fifteen years ago)

Word is Brown's about to quit

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:59 (fifteen years ago)

The assumption must be that he's failed to make a deal with Clegg?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:03 (fifteen years ago)

Elsewhere, a bunch of people don't remember to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page.

http://jacobreesmogg.org.uk/2010/05/finally/#comments

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:05 (fifteen years ago)

Word is Brown's about to quit

― stet, Monday, May 10, 2010 1:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

there is a lotta word out there

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:06 (fifteen years ago)

This word has cameramen amassing tho

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:08 (fifteen years ago)

Which of the current crop of Labour underlings is most in favour of voting reform? Johnson maybe? I don't remember D Miliband saying much about it until like 2a.m. on Friday morning when suddenly it started looking like essential to the GBP.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:12 (fifteen years ago)

remove 2 x unnecessary 'likes' from that post

or turn them into evil fakey facebook links

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:13 (fifteen years ago)

Presumably if Brown resigns he still stays on as a transitional figure until something is sorted?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

I sorta feel like I ought to watch Brown resign live but I really wanna play Endless Ocean so fuck it tbh

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

I assumed Brown would resign altogether, but might he try to stay on as Labour leader? Could be fun.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

news 24 isn't saying ne thing about brown's imminent resignash

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

I got my Brown info from @cathynewman - BBC News24 is treading water right now.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:23 (fifteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/HarryAnscombe/status/13726149071

Rumour on Downing Street is Brown statement on the steps in half an hour.
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mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

announcement of beckham's miracle recovery for WC?

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

lol

http://twitter.com/paulwaugh

Pathos.Lembit Opik bumps into media scrum outside Clegg meeting. "Oh, is that my lot meeting there? Well, they used to be my lot"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

Best halfwit yokel EVER just interrupted a reporter in Chippenham on BBC.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)

beeb still not running with these rumours

im kinda like: clegg needs to convince his MPs (and national exec) so wouldn;t it be a bit previous for brown to bail now? unless.. fucking hell i need to do some work and stop following all this.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:34 (fifteen years ago)

I assume Clegg and his advisors are straw-polling the LD MPson on the options so that he doesn't get bitten on the arse when he puts coalition proposals in front of his party.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

I can see Labour minus Brown plus voting reform being more palatable with 2/3s of LD MPs than Tories with Cameron and Osbourne and fixed terms.

I can't see either coalition having much long-term success given the state of the economy but even a short term Lib Lab deal would be funny as fuck in terms of press reaction. I might allow myself to buy every Murdoch paper for one morning only.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

Great Gary Younge piece in the Graun today about why on Earth we should give a fuck about the opinion of The Markets re. our politicians, when all The Markets do is fuck us over/up.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:44 (fifteen years ago)

If that's what Gary Younge is actually saying then he's an idiot.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

I wish I could leave my own brown statement on the steps of Downing Street.

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.designbull.co.uk/blogs/media/users/admin/posterTory.jpg

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:50 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think it's idiotic to feel that some of the market pressure from the City is blackmail - emotional and financial.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:51 (fifteen years ago)

With Suzy on that one tbh.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

srsly

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

the blackmail comes from 'city spokesmen' not-so-subtly warning about the need for stable ie conservative govt

the possibility of a run on sterling has probably been rather overhyped

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)

Especially as a run on the Euro is in progress.

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:56 (fifteen years ago)

So the very sector we bailed out with public money, run by incompetent people who are once again paying themselves bonuses, is now threatening to destabilise the next government unless it fires thousands of low-paid workers, cuts their wages and withdraws services to millions of mostly poor people.

It's as though you borrowed money against your home to save a wayward relative from penury only to have them roll up a week later in a brand new Porsche and tell you to cut your food bill or they'll repossess the property.

Is the chewy snark centre of what Younge's getting at.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago)

essentially correct imo, and probably even more so over this side of the water

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:00 (fifteen years ago)

yeah i mean that's undeniable. but i think the situation w/r/t the limits of democracy is too big for a newspaper column. and even though it's true, we can't just tell the market to fuck itself in the end.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

Which end?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:03 (fifteen years ago)

ok, we can. we can tell the market to fuck itself. we can experience the joy of rising interest rates/mortgage repayments, and then widespread foreclosures. im chill with it coz i don't own property btw but that's what this is all about.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:07 (fifteen years ago)

Like this you mean?

LATEST:Royal Bank of Scotland announces plans to cut 2,600 UK jobs

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:08 (fifteen years ago)

(obv not like that, but as a fuck you it isn't bad)

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:08 (fifteen years ago)

Shares surge after EU loan deal

Leading European shares jump after Europe agrees measures to try to stop the Greek debt crisis affecting other countries.

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 14:14 (fifteen years ago)

Okay having read the Gary Younge piece it's slightly more nuanced than what's being discussed here and yes the City are knobs and yes a run on sterling is probably being overplayed but the threat is still there and going "yeah come on do your worst" is not exactly a sensible response. Because ultimately the government, any government, does owe that money and has to find a way of paying it off.

If any of the parties had given us a significant indicator that they intend to make the City pay for the insurance they're already benefitted from then maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 14:18 (fifteen years ago)

shd be like one of those hk flicks where the govt and banks have a gun to each others' temples and neither makes any sudden moves

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 14:21 (fifteen years ago)

or it should introduce the way of shaolin into banking

show me your buccina (ken c), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:22 (fifteen years ago)

Except it'd be like that Dads Army movie

"you know, that German did'nt have any bullets in his gun?"

"Well, come to that, Wilson, neither did mine..."

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 14:23 (fifteen years ago)

Matt, you're mis-characterising my biannual temper tantrum; it's about why these dickholes and assheads can't for once be accountable/regulated since WE have lent THEM the money to the tune of £4k per British taxpayer. Don't we get to apply overdraft charges at some point? ;-)

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:28 (fifteen years ago)

Dear RBOS,

You may have noticed on your last bill that you have fallen behind on your payments to us. This is why we have applied a 2% surcharge on your overdraft. If you have any questions, our telephone banking representatives will be happy to discuss alternative payment arrangements with you on 0845 HAHA HAHAHA. Calls are charged at £100,000 per minute.

Our best,

The public

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:32 (fifteen years ago)

WE have lent THEM the money to the tune of £4k per British taxpayer.

oh you fuckers, you got off lightly didn't ye?

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:36 (fifteen years ago)

"welcome to the public overdraft repayment service, to let us help you with your queries quicker, please listen carefully to the following options.

Please note that for quality purposes, your call may be recorded

To listen to your overdraft balance, press 1, and then enter the 16 digit FSA account number
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To tell us how we should run our country, press 4"

show me your buccina (ken c), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:38 (fifteen years ago)

RBOS: Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those *are* the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that... perfect world... in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:42 (fifteen years ago)

Labour has been involved in far more serious talks with the Lib Dems than anyone realised, prompting some anger inside the Tory party yesterday about a lack of good faith from the Lib Dems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/10/labour-liberal-democrats-conservative-coalition

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

jeez eastenders got ambitious since i saw it

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

Who could have guessed that Lib Dems would be playing both sides of the fence at a time like this?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

Laws' statement and questions over a phone line? Is this 1974 with David Coleman live from Sofia with the figure skating?

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 May 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

From Lex's link - I like "fissiparous" but I think the dude uses "resile" incorrectly.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:58 (fifteen years ago)

Bad line or what? But the bits I did catch were just him saying "we need a strong government" blah blah blah...nothing new, hence BBC reporter now asking about Lib Dem "body language".

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

in other news :D

http://www.gideonosborne.com/index.php

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

I also heard a belch, some braying laughter and some charming sferics.

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)

You would think that electoral reform + cabinet seats + Gordon Brown's head on a plate would be enough for the LibDems. Difficult to see how Cameron would be able to trump that, other than offering the possibility of an easy ride from the media.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)

the makers of have you shagged ariane yet? (nsfw) should make a coalition simulation game involving nick clegg?

"read poetry"
"pay a compliment"
"kiss him"
"fondle breast"

show me your buccina (ken c), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)

the makers of have you shagged ariane yet? (nsfw) should make a coalition simulation game involving nick clegg's wife

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

Law's speech is potentially v interesting in a kremlinology kind of way. I read bits as saying the MPs threw out whatever deal they were offered, and they're back haggling again. Repeated reference to strong govt I suspect means that they're not happy with just confidence+supply, for instance. Found the insistence on deficit reductions curious too -- is that aimed at Labour?

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:30 (fifteen years ago)

But I thought the LibDems were closer to Labour than to the Tories on the timing of the cuts?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, which is why it sounded strange that they were insisting on sthing the Tories are already pledging to do asap.

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:38 (fifteen years ago)

the insistence on deficit reductions curious too -- is that aimed at Labour

Aimed at bond traders if I'm not mistaken.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)

Brown to speak at 5pm.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)

Brown statement at 5 xp

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)

OooooOOooOOoo.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)

12" piano house mix of the BBC News theme playing on the website while we wait.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

here we go...

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

interesting

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:00 (fifteen years ago)

LibDems entering into formal discussions with Labour.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:00 (fifteen years ago)

"As this is not a presidential system, but a parliamentary one..."

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:01 (fifteen years ago)

bbc so excited their ticker typer's put "COMING UP:Gordon Brown statement form Dowing Street: expected soon"

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:01 (fifteen years ago)

there we go

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)

BROWN WILL STEP DOWN IF THERE'S A COALITION!

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)

TRAMBOMPOLINE

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)

no intention of staying

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)

Brown to go, obviously read Matt DC's post earlier.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)

Brown to cling on til the next Labout conference!

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

Labour

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

haha, suck it Cameron

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

p.classy statement

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

lol this is hilar

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:04 (fifteen years ago)

TWENTY SECONDS LATER...the media ALREADY saying "the next PM will be somebody we have not elected pah!"

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:04 (fifteen years ago)

when is the next Labour conference? is that a specific date..?

p-dog, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)

applause from within downing st as he made the statement

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)

3rd week in september i think?

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)

pandering to morons. Surely they're not stupid enough to not know that this is a parliamentary system and not a presidential one, especially since they so recently heard it being said.

Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)

26-30 september

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)

it's just the BBC b-team filling air, i don't think the bbc are going to go heavy on the "unelected" thing

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)

"As this is not a presidential system, but a parliamentary one..."

Obviously the journos don't understand this subtle distinction.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:08 (fifteen years ago)

p.sure I voted for an MP not a PM

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:08 (fifteen years ago)

i moved to kirkcaldy

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:09 (fifteen years ago)

This is probably Brown's single most popular act as PM.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)

How would the coalition leader be decided in this case?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)

I think the statement was VERY classy.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:12 (fifteen years ago)

This is probably Brown's single most popular act as PM.

Pity he wasn't able to be as graceful and statesmanlike during the rest of his tenure as PM.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:13 (fifteen years ago)

Caroline Flint for Minister for the Environment!

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:14 (fifteen years ago)

How would the coalition leader be decided in this case?

― Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:10 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

whoever's labour leader, i'd have thought. rawnsley just described it as an offer of a blind date to nick clegg.

joe, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:14 (fifteen years ago)

Adam Boulton on Sky with the whole "the pound drops $0.0025 against the dollar" financial chaos spiel.

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:15 (fifteen years ago)

nothing in govt became him like the leaving of't

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:15 (fifteen years ago)

I'm hearing Brown to enter leadership contest

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)

Jol in.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

^ha I did wonder about that

xp to blueski

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:18 (fifteen years ago)

I'm hearing him "playing no part in it"

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:19 (fifteen years ago)

http://i38.tinypic.com/fmul9t.jpg

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:20 (fifteen years ago)

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-gordon-brown-tired-listening.jpg

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:20 (fifteen years ago)

Caroline Flint for Minister for the Environment!

she could minister to me any time

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:20 (fifteen years ago)

"the reason we have a hung Parliament is because no party was able to win the full support of the country."

yeah that never happens anyway /pedant

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:20 (fifteen years ago)

what is Martin Lawrence actually saying in that Bad Boys gif?

"shellfish"

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:21 (fifteen years ago)

Lord Steel... I've not seen a pensioner give such an enthusiastic blowjob since Lemonparty.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:22 (fifteen years ago)

lemonhead

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:23 (fifteen years ago)

what is Martin Lawrence actually saying in that Bad Boys gif?

rly dude?

"this shit just got real"

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)

"I will play no part in that contest and I will back no individual candidate."

i guess because backing ed balls would be a hindrance for him? find myself hoping that miliband doesn't stand just for all the BALLS VS JOHNSON headlines.

joe, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

That hardsonning of Robinson was possibly the first time I've enjoyed hearing Campbell speak.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

fucking hell robinson get over it

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

What just happened?!

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:27 (fifteen years ago)

he's been on this "cameron won" shit since thursday night

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:27 (fifteen years ago)

was nick robinson always like this?

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)

Robinson has pissed me off repeatedly in the past few days. If he can't hide his toryboy inclinations, he needs to find a new job.

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)

was nick robinson always like this?

― щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, May 10, 2010 5:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

"He attended the independent Cheadle Hulme School before reading Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at University College, Oxford.[2] At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association.[4]"

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)

haha

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:31 (fifteen years ago)

to the spanner born

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:31 (fifteen years ago)

andrew marr, on the other hand, "was once a member of the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory. At Cambridge, Marr says he was a "raving leftie", and he acquired the sobriquet of 'Red Andy'.[2][3]"

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:32 (fifteen years ago)

david dimbleby "read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford. While at Oxford he was also a member of the Bullingdon Club, a socially exclusive student dining society, and edited the student magazine, Isis."

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)

Not needing innuendo/sex metaphors from the mouth of Nick Robinson.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)

In recent days Campbell and Mandelson have developed this freaky aura of men completely in the zone. This is their element. This is what they live for. And it may be the last such really big moment for both of them. But god has it been something to see.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:34 (fifteen years ago)

What just happened?!

Robinson went off on the next PM will be unelected bs and Campbell gave him a lesson on the British constitution. If looks could kill, Campbell would be long gone by now.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:35 (fifteen years ago)

do you need to get a majority to 'win' the election?

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:35 (fifteen years ago)

This is a bit like watching the last 5mins of England playing in extra time. If we end up with a disallowed goal and Cameron as Prime Minister on penalties after all I don't know what I might do.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:35 (fifteen years ago)

Don't remember Marr ever wearing it on his sleeve QUITE like Robinson just did. Blimey.

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:36 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, yes, and Mandleson has been smooth as. Insanely entertaining.

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:37 (fifteen years ago)

I don't know who the taller of the two BBC journos outside No. 10 is, but he is fucking annoying.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:37 (fifteen years ago)

otm re mandelson and campbell. amazing to watch

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:38 (fifteen years ago)

Nick Robinson was just appalling there. I need to see some Mandelson action sometime today.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:41 (fifteen years ago)

he's still at it!

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:42 (fifteen years ago)

He's like a cross between a really bad driving instructor and Arnold Rimmer.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:43 (fifteen years ago)

At this stage you have to wonder if the biggest threat to the international bond market is Nick Robinson himself.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:43 (fifteen years ago)

So basically, he's crying about the result being a no-score draw, and insisting it should be resolved by counting the number of corner kicks 'won'.

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:43 (fifteen years ago)

Why's John Mann impersonating Alan Bennett?

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:45 (fifteen years ago)

Is this online somewhere? For some reason I feel the urge to get in a steaming temper, and want to punch somebody.

Sky news' report on brown's resignation turns into a weaselly oped piece about halfway down. Fuck these people.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:46 (fifteen years ago)

Adam Boulton just almost offered Alistair Campbell outside on Sky News...

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:46 (fifteen years ago)

Pash - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7459669.stm

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:46 (fifteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:47 (fifteen years ago)

Wanting to see reruns of those 20 contests in constituencies where people didn't get to vote, purely to make Nick Robinson's head explode.

Adam Boulton can fuck off too.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:47 (fifteen years ago)

this is an invaluable process, finding out who the total bastards are within the media

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:49 (fifteen years ago)

Rule of thumb, they're all bastards. Apart from cuddly Adrian Chiles.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:51 (fifteen years ago)

Actually, Lord Steele gave Robinson the same dressing down earlier. Robinson is desperate to keep banging on with that line. Steele just said "erm John Major, Alec Douglas-Home, also non-elected.........." and dismissed him like a silly schoolboy. That was also satisfying.

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:52 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, Lord Steel, no 'e'.

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:53 (fifteen years ago)

lol bbc obituary ready to run

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:54 (fifteen years ago)

haha, "stalin to mr bean" was a pretty cold zing

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

rly dude?

"this shit just got real"

ugh, sorry i asked

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

Adam Boulton just almost offered Alistair Campbell outside on Sky News...

offered alastair what?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:58 (fifteen years ago)

also, GB's resignation has been inevitable all weekend, right? it's just nice timing

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:58 (fifteen years ago)

Wait a minute. I thought "the markets" had set teatime today as the deadline for deciding who the government is going to be.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING TO HAPPEN??

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

yes, xp

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

Boulton and Campbell to beat each other to death plz

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

he offered him everything that was outside.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

also, GB's resignation has been inevitable all weekend, right?

better to get the prediction in before the event

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, I'm looking outside and the sky is still there but maybe I'm just already dead and am dreaming this from limbo?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

Lex, relax: nobody else is offering Alistair what you would...

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

Wait a minute. I thought "the markets" had set teatime today as the deadline for deciding who the government is going to be.

ftse closed up 5%, lol

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

Given that negotiations with the LibDems have been almost solely in the hands of Cameron's clique, what are the chances of civil war in the Tory ranks?

On the other hand, there could be a truly ferocious backlash that frightens the Liberals back into the arms of the Tories.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

robinson really is awful

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:03 (fifteen years ago)

what are the chances of civil war in the Tory ranks?

100%.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

Lex, relax: nobody else is offering Alistair what you would...

ok i've just been told what happened and i need to see footage of this IMMEDIATELY

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

never change, conservative party

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

I have a deep-seated belief that Clegg is completely fucking this up for himself somehow. Of course there may not have been an alternative.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

I need to see footage immediately, too. xpost

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:05 (fifteen years ago)

Robinson is the guy with the bald head and the squate glasses? He's weaselly as well.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:06 (fifteen years ago)

square, even.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:06 (fifteen years ago)

Has anyone accused the UK of turning into a Communist dictatorship yet?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:06 (fifteen years ago)

(I'm just terribly embarrassed because during that "This Is Your Life, Gordon Brown" montage on the BBC, he was revealed to have been... erm... amazingly hot when younger. Amazing how politics ages people.)

((I will now go and throw up at the thought that I just wrote that))

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:07 (fifteen years ago)

enjoying these dramatic crane shots of downing street

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:07 (fifteen years ago)

Here is a still, when come back bring footage:

http://web18.twitpic.com/img/98637548-07e06840eceebd3f2ad7b58e486b897f.4be83d55-scaled.png

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:08 (fifteen years ago)

Murdoch must be murderous right now!

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:11 (fifteen years ago)

would tweet about bombing them but don't want to get £1000 fine, criminal record and lifetime Westminster ban

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

It's good:

http://www.twitvid.com/MSJH1

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

It's so entertaining watching a bunch of journalists who'd aligned themselves with a Tory government suddenly becoming completely unglued.

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

Not youtube, but close enough: http://tvnewsroom.co.uk/news/adam-boulton-vs-alastair-campbell/

XXP - aarrgh

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:13 (fifteen years ago)

WTF is wrong with all of Sky News' talking heads? They seem utterly unable to let their interviewees ever get a word in edgewise.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:14 (fifteen years ago)

Campbell (to Boulton): "...and you're elected, are you?"
hardsonnage par excellence

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:15 (fifteen years ago)

So Brown got his statement in just after the markets closed, canny move. I wonder if we'll have a government before they open? Is that even possible?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)

cannot believe that the political anchors of both BBC AND Sky are both Tory hacks.

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:17 (fifteen years ago)

that's big salaries for you

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

omg alastair. dreamlover. just watched that 5 times in a row. a bit out of breath right now.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

What's the betting that Robinson will move to Sky?

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

can well believe xps

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

amazingly hot when younger

Have your read Anatomy of Power, which is to a large extent about the health ramifications of office. But then, don't you find Boris Johnson hot? He's kind of an 'after' picture to begin with.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:19 (fifteen years ago)

Nah, I stopped finding Boris hot the minute he got elected Mayor. But with Boris it's not so much what he looks like, as the cleverness with which he hides his intellect and then springs it out on you when you least expect it.

But, erm, 70s Gordon was actually all long dark hair and big lips and Scots broodingness and looked kinda terrifyingly like Mark Gardener dressed as a poli sci student. o_0

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:23 (fifteen years ago)

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Politics/Pix/pictures/2003/03/06/brownstudent300b.jpg

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:26 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.moonbattery.com/young_gordon_brown.jpg

::runs away::

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:26 (fifteen years ago)

OMG it's Nikolai Fraiture

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:28 (fifteen years ago)

haha when i glanced at that i thought it was a paisley tie which would have actually made you implode k8!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:29 (fifteen years ago)

We're going to pretend this entire conversation never happened, and go back to discussing his resignation.

(I will have to read that book, though. It's astonishing to see people come into office, and leave 8 or 10 years later, looking like they've aged about 20 years in the interim.)

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:30 (fifteen years ago)

james purnell aged about 20 years in less than half a year between his failed coup and last year's party conference

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:31 (fifteen years ago)

Ha, looking at those pics, you can imagine him w/a jazzmaster, staring at a bunch of effect pedasl, yes.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:32 (fifteen years ago)

It's that Church of Scotland Fifer ineptly trying to look cool thing. We're all adorable.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:33 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZm5cm0ZtL4

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:38 (fifteen years ago)

so fucking erotic

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)

haha, boulton looks like he's going to start blubbing

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:40 (fifteen years ago)

the way he says "dignity, dignity" so condescendingly

damn right he's being provocative

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:42 (fifteen years ago)

Hahah:

Alistair Campbell spotted outside Westminster Arms. Asked if he was going for a pint with Boulton he replied "the man's ill, he's ill"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:44 (fifteen years ago)

Okay I'm really concerned about how much the first younggordonbrown.jpg looks like me

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:45 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe you're him and you are living in a time loop right now.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:46 (fifteen years ago)

I have do an excellent brogue.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)

Campbel/Boulton going at it hammer and tongs on Friday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RXPnXDkrc&feature=player_embedded

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

didn't they used to be mates?

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

"DON'T KEEP TELLING ME WHAT I THINK"

"This is live on television..."

ahahaha, to be fair campbell is a complete sonofabitch.

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:53 (fifteen years ago)

Does this mean we get an extra Thick of It special?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:57 (fifteen years ago)

lol the question that needed to be asked

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 17:58 (fifteen years ago)

haha yes would watch

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:59 (fifteen years ago)

Tories now up the bid: offer Lib Dems referendum on AV.

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:04 (fifteen years ago)

Campbell just laughing at McKenzie in full flow and coming back with Obama zing fairly breathtaking. So many awful human beings in that segment.

Labour need to just come back with a referendum on PR, £3.5 million and Scott Sinclair on loan for a season and we're good.

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)

xp if that's the Tories' final offer, they're sunk

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)

i'm hearing Sturridge to the Blues

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:11 (fifteen years ago)

Get the fuck outta town

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)

lib/lab coalition would "impose voting reform" according to hague. this is a lie and he knows it.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:14 (fifteen years ago)

you're allowed to lie as long as nobody's actually in charge

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:14 (fifteen years ago)

I could describe William Hague as a mendacious xenophobic shitbag who punches little old ladies for fun and has a half-inch nob for example, and it wd be okay at the moment

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:15 (fifteen years ago)

hague saying tories would campaign against AV tho.

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)

According to Sky, Labour are now willing to offer AV without a referendum.

O_O

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)

i am lolling at the idea that a lib/con coalition would be stable simply because it has more than 326 MPs. we're talking about a coalition of two parties that agree on very little, and one of those parties is the conservative party.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)

Campbell/Jon Snow set-to currently happening much more classy and genial than Boulton's.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)

Heeeeated on SkyNews. Boulton is a car crash.

Zoe Espera, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

a lot of overtired people on tv this weekend

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:21 (fifteen years ago)

I think it wd be fair to say that prominent media Tories is shook.

they're all women so you'll probably like them (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:21 (fifteen years ago)

Whomever the Libs get into bed w/, if they don't get the best AV deal, they're fools and AV is the last thing any Tories want - it would cost them up to 20+ seats and mean that they wouldn't just have to get in bed with the Libs right now but probably marry them if they want to stay in power.

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)

can't see the offer of a referendum on AV from the conservatives very compelling when the corollary is that they're giving a party with a declared intention to campaign against AV the authority of govt. to use in that campaign.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)

Cant offer it without a referendum. No way. There isn't a whip strong enough to get it through commons let alone lords.

Labour has a big FPTP contigent as it is, and this pact will have a margin <10 at best

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:24 (fifteen years ago)

labour would lose more mps, but tories are right to be terrified of electoral reform, since they don't have any natural coalition partners because everyone else hates them because they are awful people.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2010/5/10/1273494444280/Graphic-PR-election-resul-001.gif

Tories & Lib Dems actually really wouldn't benefit that much from AV.

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)

Is the base of the Tories going to end up striking out at Cameron for his poor electoral performance?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)

Is this online somewhere? For some reason I feel the urge to get in a steaming temper, and want to punch somebody.

i watched the boulting clip and am already IN THE ZONE pash

Stevie Wonder in a weird phase during the 80's (stevie), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)

not buying those numbers. you can't predict the outcome of AV without the electorate's alternative choices.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)

best election ever - hopefully The City can handle it lasting a few more months

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)

that "how it could have been" graph is irrelevant imo - the numbers are what they are because of FPTP - it's not just eg tactical voting you have to take into account, it's things like the resources a party will put into safe seats vs seats they have no hope in suddenly being less of a factor

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, totally ludicrous extrapolation based on very little relevant information

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)

Whomever the Libs get into bed w/, if they don't get the best AV deal, they're fools and AV is the last thing any Tories want - it would cost them up to 20+ seats and mean that they wouldn't just have to get in bed with the Libs right now but probably marry them if they want to stay in power.

― Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:22 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I was reading earlier how some tories think AV is acceptable because they missed out on 20 seats because of UKIP. I think its difficult to say. Its an acceptable system though.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)

Is the base of the Tories going to end up striking out at Cameron for his poor electoral performance?

this is already happening, there's some reference upthread or otherwise take a deep breath and sift through the shite of the tory bloggahs (probably wouldn't recommend)

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)

That odious shitbag is talking about the LibDems "propping up Gordon Brown". I don't think he gets it.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:37 (fifteen years ago)

Sorry, I meant Fraser Nelson. There are so many odious shitbags on TV right now.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)

the complaints about gordon brown not "moving out of #10" immediately are pretty weak sauce.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:40 (fifteen years ago)

Hold your horses guys: Lembit Opik has said that a LibCon alliance is "workable". Gamechanger, imo.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)

best election ever - hopefully The City can handle it lasting a few more months

a lot of this shit has been srsly overplayed, the city will get its cuts one way or the other only maybe not with osborne's leng tche freakshow taking things back to the 1920's

hague just now said libdems want full coalition, cable as chancellor under labour pm not unfeasible

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)

Nelson and Ed Vaizey really stink up the special features bits of The Thick Of It DVD with their shitness

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)

I don't really give a shit about what the city says, just running with a theme

xp

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)

I'm sure if Cameron doesn't get the keys to number 10, Ashcroft will want his head on a platter. I betting on Hague to be back in the saddle.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)

i do think it would cause widespread outrage though (in the press at least) if the lib dems formed some "losers coalition" with a new "unelected" PM and a change to the voting system with no vote.

I think it's best for Labour if they just sit back, get a new leader, watch the tories & lib dems tear each other apart and become massively unpopular with huge cits; and then goes to the polls victorious. I think whatever party takes power now is actually in the long-term going to be the loser from this.

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ Brown making his statement *then* meeting the cabinet. They'll all be sitting sizing each other up.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, I think he knows what he's doing on that score. Funfunfun.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

a good second option, for the tories or labour is to put Cable in the Treasury and then they can scapegoat the LDs for all the heartache.

xpost

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

and a change to the voting system with no vote.

no one is suggesting or offering this.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

next up: all three parties to split over this and form opposing cross party coalitions then we give them all new names and have another election

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)

I'm sure if Cameron doesn't get the keys to number 10, Ashcroft will want his head on a platter. I betting on Hague to be back in the saddle.

Yeah, this. People in the office been saying it wld be good for the Tories to just sit this one out, wait for Lib-Lab-Nats to make cuts and fall to bits, but if Cameron did that they'd go for him, pronto.

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 18:49 (fifteen years ago)

lol according to the BBC what Hague just offered (referendum on AV) was in the Labour manifesto.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)

I betting on Hague to be back in the saddle.

lol boris is a legernd

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)

This is fun. I enjoyed Miliband stitching Harman up, he took a big step up there.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)

John Reid on BBC News blaming the Scots for why a Labour / Liberal Democrats coalition wouldn't work.

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)

I betting on Hague to be back in the saddle.

I don't think the exposure Hague has been given over the last couple of weeks has done the tories any favours.

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

"On BBC three, some pointless shit for the 35% of people who didn't vote..."

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:29 (fifteen years ago)

Yesterday, the negotiating teams - which include George Osborne, Oliver Letwin, and William Hague for the Tories

reasons 1, 2 and 3 for Clegg phoning Brown.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:29 (fifteen years ago)

Have I been lucky in timing or have Letwin and Osbourne stayed away from TV cameras for a week?

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago)

Pretty much - Osborne more than Letwin.

Pretty safe to say that the thing keeping DAVE out of the PM's office is probably Little Lord Wallpaper.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:40 (fifteen years ago)

^^for the voters, I mean.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:40 (fifteen years ago)

Douglas Hurd amusingly pwned on Channel 4 news when he started on the 'unelected PM' theme and they reminded him that it didn't seem to trouble him much when he was part of John Major's government.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

The reason that we have a hung parliament is that no single party and no single leader was able to win the full support of the country. As leader of my party I must accept that that is a judgement on me.

Wonder what DC's party thought of that.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:59 (fifteen years ago)

(from GB's statement)

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 19:59 (fifteen years ago)

I will miss Gordon Brown mainly for concise statements that paint the opposition into corners. Like that one.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)

If Lib-Lab do pull off this coalition, who'll be PM?

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:09 (fifteen years ago)

milliband probably

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)

Starting to feel a bit prematurely sentimental about Brown. Already. And he's not even left No. 10 yet.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)

harman is currently deputy, so she may have some interim role, but she can't win a leadership election imo.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)

As leader of my party I must accept that that is a judgement on me.

that's exactly how it shd be played

the full version of the adam boulton / campbell 'interview' is easily the best tv of this or probably any election, rly quite something to see sky's top political hack completely losing it like that

caek you can't now go back on your prediction of johnson surely, esp as the rest of it was p damn good

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)

But the coalition would start this week and the Labour contest would take months.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)

david milliband not in the negotiating team, perhaps his choice to avoid being directly associated with/responsible for any deal?

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)

(xpost who will be PM during a lablib pact.)

Gordon, for now.

Whoever, for later.

I reckons another General Election in September, or shortly after, and only Nick Clegg (of the present three) contesting it.

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, still my tip, but johnson not being mentioned by anyone on tv, for reasons i don't really understand. i don't know if the LDs are going to be able to exert any influence who the labour party choose, but if they can then it will be milliband.

ed balls completely out of the running if they do form the coalition. you can't have a PM with a majority of 1100.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)

So Gordon might have bought himself another four months in No.10! Clegg should make the prime ministership until the Labour conference his red line here

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, i think they will push against that and can probably get him out before the queen's speech if they really want.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)

If Lib-Lab do pull off this coalition, who'll be PM?

― Ismael Klata, Monday, May 10, 2010 9:09 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

milliband probably

― caek, Monday, May 10, 2010 9:10 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

ayo

Young Money! Labour Leadership Contest 2010

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

don't rly know anything about johnson but i'd imagine he's second fav behind miliband

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

apparently, "Labour are planning to offer the Lib Dems a bill on bringing in the AV electoral system and a referendum on a fuller system of proportional representation, Lib Dem sources tell the BBC. The Tories, by contrast, are offering a referendum on AV and fixed-term parliaments."

i am sure the LDs would love AV without a referendum, but i hope they realise the legitimacy of a lib/lab coalition is shaky and they shouldn't take it just because they can.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)

BBC talking about Ed Milliband running too, which has to be bollocks.

Does anyone know whether D Milliband and Johnson get on?

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:21 (fifteen years ago)

the ~legitimacy~ of a lib/lab coalition is clear as, though not the longevity

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:22 (fifteen years ago)

BBC talking about Ed Milliband running too, which has to be bollocks.

Was reading something earlier somewhere about Ed M running to split the Labour left vote to ensure Dave M wins.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:24 (fifteen years ago)

you can't have a PM with a majority of 1100

Damn, I just shouted "Balfour!" in a very irritating way but wiki tells me he had a maj. of 2400+ when he was PM, although he had lower majorities before that. Of course before him the 3rd Marquess of Salisbury never needed no silly majority.

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, i think they will push against that and can probably get him out before the queen's speech if they really want.

in which case harman would be the interim leader, then

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

caek, last year miliband said johnson was the leading candidate to succeed brown. so probably yes? unless he thought this election was going to be such a poisoned chalice...

joe, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

Labour are planning to offer the Lib Dems a bill on bringing in the AV electoral system

This Bill would not get passed.

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)

Johnson best fighter in Class War psy-ops.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)

Johnson/Cruddas is the class war dream team, but I'm pretty sure the PLP are still happy to go with middle class prettyboys over Johnson's 1970s football manager steez for the next decade at least.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:30 (fifteen years ago)

Until Chuka Umunna loses to Rory Stewart in the 2022 elections.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:30 (fifteen years ago)

What's the polling like on a prospective PR referendum? I can't imagine it actually varies much depending on the version of PR on offer.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:31 (fifteen years ago)

Next election on October 5th, according to certain shitey tory bloggers.

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:32 (fifteen years ago)

Hang on, October *7th*

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

Johnson best fighter in Class War psy-ops.

true that, labour cld do an outlier from the clegg/cameron early 40s career pols who probably seem near identical to half the population

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

*do with

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

if brown cld even be made to look halfway demotic or avuncular then they wd have done rather better this time round

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:36 (fifteen years ago)

I also like the stealth class war psy-ops of Andrew Adonis. Hope they can keep him around.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:38 (fifteen years ago)

http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/05/hague-gives-a-summary-of-where-the-talks-stand/

– The talks are based on policy rather than the structure of a deal. At present there is more agreement over a “confidence and supply” arrangement. But there have been talks on a coalition and this would involve Lib Dems around the cabinet table.

Exciting isn't it?

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)

seems clegg is the one who specifically wants a coalition. interesting.

& labour have unleashed the negotiating team (harman, ed milliband, adonis, balls) led by mandy.

nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

p weak from the Mail - the pound "plunged" two cents to a level higher than it was this morning when a Con-Lib deal looked imminent oh noes the fear

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1276721/Gordon-Brown-resigns-Pound-plunges-dollar-markets-express-horror-Lib-Lab-coalition-talks.html

It started the day around $1.483, soared above $1.5 as the prospect of a deal with David Cameron grew - but plunged back below $1.5. Tonight, it was trading around $1.4850.

Harry Adams, a senior currency trader from the foreign exchange firm Schneider, said: 'The fall confirms that the market is looking for a Conservative government - and anything else won't do.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, the Sky News Boulton FITE footage had a crawl with BROWN RESIGNS * POUND FALLS ONE CENT AGAINST US DOLLAR IN ONE HOUR on it, as if suggesting cause/effect.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)

Tebbit just said Cameron should resign.

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

Never a great negotiator.

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:26 (fifteen years ago)

michael crick is saying that in return for this AV thing the tory right wants cabinet posts for david davis, michael howard and IDS (who he?)

that'll really enthuse the LDs

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

IDS (who he?)

Iain Duncan Smith

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)

Kirsty Wark and Harriet Harman in terrible outfits right now on Newsnight. A giraffe print?

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:47 (fifteen years ago)

who he?
xp

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:47 (fifteen years ago)

EXACKLY

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:48 (fifteen years ago)

harman ruling herself out

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:49 (fifteen years ago)

Starting to think Clegg will go with the Tories, rather than risk being part of a very unstable coalition of three or four parties (at least) and no idea who will end up as PM.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:50 (fifteen years ago)

Why's she ruling herself out? Don't get that at all.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:50 (fifteen years ago)

gove blinking hysterically

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:51 (fifteen years ago)

Starting to think Clegg will go with the Tories, rather than risk being part of a very unstable coalition of three or four parties (at least) and no idea who will end up as PM.

think he'll be fairly sure it's d-mil

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:51 (fifteen years ago)

she wants to remain deputy, apparently.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

(not that that's a reason in itself)

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

HH ruled herself out in a weird convoluted kind of way. basically like no-one dies in "lost" unless you see them actually die, unless they categorically deny it, they havent denied it, and she didn't.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

she knows she can't get it

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

An unstable coalition is all right -- all it really has to do is a budget and pass the referendum bill then call an election. Much better than the LDs trying to last a full term as part of a Tory coalition that's going to get more and more unpopular.

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

im not au fait enough about the labour party mood. harman seems to me more palatable than many, and more intelligent/effective on tv (etc) than (say) alan johnson.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

don't agree with that. press would eat harman alive.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

and pass alternative voting as a minimum beforehand...xxp

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

xp to stet

OTM, as I said upthread, a coalition govt has the best chance of producing a decently framed referendum, that's all that needs to be done.

alan johnson is horrible

ogmor, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

the referendum wd be for stv, which labour don't want

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)

Harman* was popular enough to win the only labour contest in the last fifteen years. Public appeal and party appeal entirely different things.

(* autocorrected to Batman there!)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)

god, remember john reid? fuck that guy

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)

Michael Gove just told Kirsty Wark she was asking questions "seductively". Ewwwwww.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)

one unelected PM they never mention actually came to power on this very day, 70 years ago. kept in there five years, pretty decent foreign policy record.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)

harman only ruled herself out while she was still dep. labour leader

left herself enough wiggle room, definitely not unequivocal

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)

HH ruled herself out in a weird convoluted kind of way. basically like no-one dies in "lost" unless you see them actually die, unless they categorically deny it, they havent denied it, and she didn't.
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, May 10, 2010 9:52 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah basically

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)

david grossman is easily least objectionable bbc journo rite now

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:02 (fifteen years ago)

Good catch, HM - Boulton can suck on that.

Boulton just lost his rag at Ben Bradshaw on air, apparently - Bradshaw twittered that AB came up afterwards and was all 'how dare you?' to him to boot.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:02 (fifteen years ago)

i have no objection to stephanie flanders

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:02 (fifteen years ago)

Ha yeah, this has some way to go to match Halifax v Churchill - just as well there was no rolling news in 1940

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

Wah, wah

http://i42.tinypic.com/amqji8.jpg

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

From the Labour manifesto

Referenda, held on the same day,
• for moving to the Alternative Vote for elections to the House of Commons and to a democratic and accountable Second Chamber.

Really can't see Labour pushing something this big through without a referendum.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

Lab/ Lib don't actually need the SNP/PC/SDLP/ALL etc to vote with them: they just need them not to vote against them. and none of them are likely to be all that eager to have another election - and most of the NI MPs rarely bother to show up.

sonofstan, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

^^^

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

i mean you wouldn't build a house on it, but otoh how solid would the lib/con alliance be really?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

the idea is to pass av in parliament then have referendum on stv/pr

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NWAkxKQLQs

Stevie Wonder in a weird phase during the 80's (stevie), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, and I can't see that flying after they've explicitly promised a referendum on AV.

xp

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

xxxp, yeah, neither of these coalitions would be stable. lib/con is two parties that agree about almost nothing, and lib/lab is numerically difficult.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

Jeez, he's pissed off today. Did someone forget to put sugar in his tea? xxxp

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

on another channel, this series of meltdowns would cost that sorry sack of shit his job. on sky, however...

Stevie Wonder in a weird phase during the 80's (stevie), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

Can't they have a referendum for AV vs STV, not have FPTP as an option, and just implement the winner? (Or does a referendum have to be Y/N?)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

andrew rawnsley rly fucking hates gordon 'fag-end prime minister' brown

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

rawno cd do with maybe eating a salad one time

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)

Loving the spluttering impotent rage of the Tory press

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)

Boulton is first stop on Pies, Who Ate All Of Them? Tour '10.

Bradshaw is actually good-looking, isn't he?

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)

A little bit of the Bowie about Bradshaw

Ismael Klata, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)

Whichever coalition we get is going to fall apart within the year, right?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)

I think the Boulton thing is: Rupert Murdoch is currently smashing his son repeatedly about the face with a slipper for convincing him that he should sign up wholeheartedly for Project Cameron; Jimmy M then takes it out on Rebekah Wade, who takes it out on whoever is chief bitch at Sky News, who then takes it out on our Adam.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:22 (fifteen years ago)

I think the Lib Lab pact would need to be designed to dissolve within a year with another GE under a new voting system.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:23 (fifteen years ago)

Oh wait naaah, not Bowie, more like Gay Hugh Grant. Looks like a work of art sat next to James Corden's secret daddy though.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:23 (fifteen years ago)

http://i42.tinypic.com/amqji8.jpg

bit of a risk going with "two-faced Clegg" while their man is still tying to woo him.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

Good to see the production staff earning their keep with a catchy subheader there.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:30 (fifteen years ago)

two fights in one night for boulton? broken britain. smh.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

I think the Lib Lab pact would need to be designed to dissolve within a year with another GE under a new voting system.

that makes it sound more elegant than it wd likely be but yeah

there'd be an absolute shitstorm in the press obv, and what wd currently be a 60 lib/lab maj under hypothetical av may well diminish quite a bit but you'd imagine it could surive

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

oh god i would LOVE to have heard how james murdoch has been keeping daddy abreast of these developments

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:32 (fifteen years ago)

Can't take Bradshaw seriously after seeing a documentary on British fishing communities while he was Minister at Ag, Fish & Food, coming out of an EU meeting on quotas and telling wives it was more complicated than their little heads could understand and staying friends with people in Europe was more important than their families livelihoods so they should stop complaining. (Actually, he agreed with them what he was going to say immediately before he entered the room, then came out having said approximately 0% of what he said he would.) He's maybe the most despicable and power-hungry of the entire bunch, which is a pretty bold claim.

Plus he looks quite a bit like Peter Crouch.

BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)

the 'wooing' of clegg is over and the blackmail phase fully underway

adam boulton will be throwing asda gin bottles thru his windows by the small hours

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)

oh god i would LOVE to have heard how james murdoch has been keeping daddy abreast of these developments

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:32 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Myspace profile comments.

Meowsy McDermott, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

bradshaw is a total lightweight, which is why it's even more amusing to see that even he can goad and pwn boulton so easily

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/13748604659

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

There should be a directive sent out to every Labour talking head to mention Boulton's personal disappointment in the result at every opportunity until he actually lamps someone.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:36 (fifteen years ago)

Labour must be running a sweepstakes by now: "Alistair, when you go in and he starts on you, REMEMBER: 'say it, don't spray it.' And we'll mark five zing points on your card."

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

The shitstorm that wld arise if they tried to bring in AV without a referendum is hard to imagine. It'd drown out the world cup.

More I think about it more I think that no party wants to be in power right now because they all know this is going to be the term of doom whatever happens. Much better to cobble together some voting reform, draw attention away from all yr cuts this year and hope you can choose the right moment next year to call a snap election and get a proper majority again.

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

It'd drown out the world cup.

LET IT HAPPEN

no party wants to be in power right now

they all seem to want to be in power rather desperately tbh!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

Well someone has to be in power otherwise they don't get paid.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

If you haven't gone here already, Lex, I'll be very surprised:

http://twitter.com/campbellclaret

Very good the past few hours.

sharia twain (suzy), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

Labour must be running a sweepstakes by now: "Alistair, when you go in and he starts on you, REMEMBER: 'say it, don't spray it.' And we'll mark five zing points on your card."

they shd do this more with sky hacks, the transition into full-on fox clone will be eased for all parties by transparency of intentions

have any labour ppl tried this strategy with the botox harpy yet?

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

missed this on Thursday - higenfy just brought it to my attention

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/06/portillo-moment-ed-balls-tonight

In the last two weeks my name has been in headlines for the first time in years. Will a cabinet minister suffer the humiliation of losing his seat in the full glare of national publicity, as I did in 1997? Will he (oh please, please yes!) endure "a Portillo moment"? My name is now synonymous with eating a bucketload of shit in public.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

Cld see Labour doing another 97 and offering a two-questioner: do you want atv? Do you want stv? Still enough to trump Tory offer of just atv.

Xxxp yeh you're right, Lex. I think I mean no party wants to have this parliament go to full term with them in charge and carrying the can. But they want the power to set the rules for next time, for sure.

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)

i love alastair's twitter

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

Hah. I was about to say that Twitter was reminding me why I spent the last eight or so years hating New Labour.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)

i think all parties are weighing up "risk of being a weak and rapidly unpopular government" vs "risk, if the other lot get in, of being out of power for a generation" and taking a chance on the former? idk, each way is a gamble, best to grab/hold on to the power while you can.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)

The former is a MUCH bigger gamble for Labour.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)

the lib dems (or clegg himself) are supposedly insistent on a coalition. cameron has gone as far as he conceivably can with the offer of a referendum on AV, and in very many other respects the policy differences are unbridgeable. therefore it becomes less elective and more obligatory for labour to form a coalition and in the likely short term of that parliament produce some workable solution for electoral reform.

labour have offered AV without a referendum but this may only be a conciliatory tactic; the lib dems will know that amid all the attacks on a coalition's legitimacy, it would be better to try for AV via referendum. the coalition would postpone the worst cuts until next year and amid the usual infighting in the tory party feel quietly confident of winning another election under AV if it passes.

STV is far more difficult because labour are surely opposed and it seems inconceivable that the current parliamentary party would even agree to a referendum if they saw any chance of it passing.

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:06 (fifteen years ago)

It's certainly been interesting seeing various Labour interviewees basically trying to row back from a Lib/Lab alliance as fast as their little oars can manage

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:07 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, not cabinet people obviously but backbenchers seem pretty wary

xpost

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:09 (fifteen years ago)

they were already doing that on friday, but it's usually resentment cases

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:11 (fifteen years ago)

Sounds like many of them would be happy with "Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for opposition!"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)

i think armando iannucci has said that a lot of them rly would welcome that. those that have safe enough seats.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:15 (fifteen years ago)

Opposition's set to be fun this parliament anyway, margins are so tight it's going to be payday for every backbench nutter with a grudge or a pet boondoggle.

stet, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:21 (fifteen years ago)

maybe it would be best for labour to keep talks going for a while, inflame lib/con relations to the point a coalition there is completely untenable and then watch a conservative minority govt fall apart. but the tories could prolong that arrangement just long enough to call an election that only they can afford and get a full majority, with cameron having the veneer of power not yet adumbrated by a rep for a thatcherite savagery.

there isn't a safe option, though the potential risks (and rewards) are smaller if they go into opposition.

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:21 (fifteen years ago)

haha

The party realised that there were five MPs with whom they could do a deal in Northern Ireland ‑ three from the SDLP, one from their sister party, the Alliance party, and the independent Unionist, Lady Hermon. "It was unusual to have five sensible moderates in Northern Ireland," one said.

caek, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:21 (fifteen years ago)

Opposition's set to be fun this parliament anyway, margins are so tight it's going to be payday for every backbench nutter with a grudge or a pet boondoggle.

on the plus side, caroline lucas has to be feeling rather optimistic too

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:23 (fifteen years ago)

the times are using a photo of brown with his eyes closed on their homepage too

is there some unwritten rule in the media not to do this, or at least commonsense prevails because you seldom see it

i guess it amounts to a gesture conveying a contempt even their dismal hacks couldn't muster

nakhchivan, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)

EamonnHolme, ppl

Please cut this crap about Sky not being impartial - we are, and we have to be .... newspapers r different.

And if u r convinced we r not impartial, then we are no more or less than any other news channel or programme - u decide, we just do a job"
about 2 hours ago via web

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 00:16 (fifteen years ago)

My brain...it's like...WE REPORT YOU DECIDE...might even be a slogan with Rupe's ops in America.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 06:59 (fifteen years ago)

"not like them leftie national newspapers..."

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:13 (fifteen years ago)

we are, and we have to be

tbh I didn't know this.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:16 (fifteen years ago)

Bias shows up more in High Def apparently

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:18 (fifteen years ago)

it's sort of hilarious to read the tory press yelling about left-wing media bias. physician heal thyself &c &c

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:34 (fifteen years ago)

I'm off sick today, not sure I can stomach a 24hr news cycle on top of a 24hr bug. Lots of BBC on the spot types saying "we have no idea" so far :(

Prediction: Lib/Lab coalition squeaks through with narrow agreement from parties. AV vote dies in Parliament leading to no confidence vote leading to general election leading to narrow Tory majority. Next Prime Minister: William Hague.

CLEGG ON!

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:13 (fifteen years ago)

Nick Clegg: "we have no idea"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:14 (fifteen years ago)

Prediction: Lib/Lab coalition squeaks through with narrow agreement from parties. AV vote dies in Parliament leading to no confidence vote leading to general election leading to narrow Tory majority. Next Prime Minister: William Hague.

no wonder you're feeling ill

they may try for AV via referendum, and it may even be easier cuz there'll probably be a few labour mp's who von't for it
if they're convinced they'll lose their seats

the risk of a lib/lab coalition seems to fall more heavily on labour, clegg wd say he had to make a coalition and most of the lib dem vote wd probably recognise he chose the better of the two

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:36 (fifteen years ago)

wonder what the turnout for an 'alternative' voting system would be, and whether it would render a 'meaningful' result [via voter apathy]

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:37 (fifteen years ago)

can imagine you'd get a higher turnout for at least a first go at this. figure the subsequent disillusion wouldn't be any less meaningful than the current 'system'

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:40 (fifteen years ago)

just wondering about the absence of Vince Cable from these talks, I'd have thought he should be there as Osborne's opposite number. Do we think he's not keen on the coalition - in which case, big Lib split looming - or just too busy for trifles such as this?

― tomofthenest, Saturday, 8 May 2010 02:43 (3 days ago) Bookmark

looks like it might be the former.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/liberaldemocrats/7707918/Vince-Cable-tried-to-block-talks-on-Conservative-deal.html

tomofthenest, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:40 (fifteen years ago)

maybe 50%> but i'm not sure that rly matters if it passes, which i daresay it could

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:42 (fifteen years ago)

im think im probably against electoral reform... haven't thought about it that much. but tbh mass suffrage itself only came in as a tory way to outflank the liberals. this is sort of how the brit constitution gets made -- on the fly.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:44 (fifteen years ago)

The pound has SOARED another 1/4 cent this morning: wonder what the Daily Mail makes of that.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:44 (fifteen years ago)

Any referendum would have to be two-option (maybe two-stage, two-option); if you chuck FPTP in there in a three-option ballot, the Tory core/press will get the NO vote out sufficiently (38-40%) and kill PR for all time.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:45 (fifteen years ago)

didn't george osborne run the tory campaign as cameron's closest confidant (apart from steve hilton)

he's not there for his economic brilliance alone

how close is clegg to vince cable?

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:46 (fifteen years ago)

didn't george osborne run the tory campaign as cameron's closest confidant (apart from steve hilton)

he's not there for his economic brilliance alone

the tory campaign suffered because there wasn't clear leadership. osborne was an important player in it, but i don't think he "ran" it; that was more hilton's role, and they don't see eye-to-eye.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:48 (fifteen years ago)

not as close as this
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/torydiary/images/2008/11/13/osborne_behind_cameron.jpg

xp

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:49 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron is going to be the size of John Prescott in another month.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:51 (fifteen years ago)

the tory party is run on those sort of small factions isolating decision making, it's quite an agonised process by the sound of things

hilton supposedly the 'big society' counterpoint to osborne's 'fuck the lot of them' tendency

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:51 (fifteen years ago)

Any referendum would have to be two-option (maybe two-stage, two-option); if you chuck FPTP in there in a three-option ballot, the Tory core/press will get the NO vote out sufficiently (38-40%) and kill PR for all time.

that wd never happen, a referendum surely has to be a binary choice for clarity if nothing else

as i understand it a PR/STV referendum is kicked into the long grass of (probably) a second lib/lab coalition under AV

labour don't want STV so it's difficult to see it under a fragile coalition in which the two parties campaign for opposite sides

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:52 (fifteen years ago)

that wd never happen, a referendum surely has to be a binary choice for clarity if nothing else

shd ben done alternative vote style amirite

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:56 (fifteen years ago)

the problems between clegg and cable are probably the former's affinity w/ cameron nu-tories alienating the latter, and the possibility of cable having rather more temporal power than clegg as chancellor in a lib/lab coalition, which must seem an obvious selection to many lib dems and even some labour

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:59 (fifteen years ago)

Wasn't Cable behind all this "Orange Book" bollocks last year, though?

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:03 (fifteen years ago)

don't think so

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:03 (fifteen years ago)

well, no more than clegg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Book:_Reclaiming_Liberalism

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:04 (fifteen years ago)

shd ben done alternative vote style amirite

needs a "maybe" option for a hung referendum

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:04 (fifteen years ago)

AV has made Best Picture at the oscars more interesting, so i'm all in favour of it for UK government

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:04 (fifteen years ago)

/we are, and we have to be /

tbh I didn't know this.


Yeah it's not true is why. They have to be impartial during the election, but as soon as the polls close it's business as usual.

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:05 (fifteen years ago)

david laws (editor) is fairly thick w. osborne. cable, who i think is sincere in his keynesianism, i cannot imagine being a fan of osborne's.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:05 (fifteen years ago)

"The idea that the two parties that suffered most in this election, that were rejected by the electorate, that in the case of the Labour party lost a hundred of its seats, should put together an illegitimate government, this is the Robert Mugabe style of politics," says Conservative MP and former Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind. "It's exactly what Mugabe did you know, he lost the election and scrabbled to hold onto power.".

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)

haha

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)

'rifkind's law'

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:09 (fifteen years ago)

But Mugabe endorsed the Tories, yes? IDIOTS.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:09 (fifteen years ago)

Signs from the council elections that Labour were very much on the upswing in this election, funnily enough - massively better results than 2006, Tory councillors falling all over the shop.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:10 (fifteen years ago)

If yr interested (y'all know this anyway)...

CON/LAB/LD

Councils 65 36 13
Councils +/– -8 +14 -4
Councillors 3364 2857 1615
Councillors +/– -121 +414 -141

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:13 (fifteen years ago)

WHOA.

Camden is instructive here: lots of 'efficiency savings' by a Lib/Con council over the past few years (sale of the most picturesque council-owned property to developers, privatizing services) has sent the voters screaming back to Labour.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:14 (fifteen years ago)

Which leads me to wonder about the scenario outlined by Onimo.

All that, except that Labour get a majority with the new leader.

Because people voted labour in Council elections, i.e. not GBrown.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:15 (fifteen years ago)

rifkind on tv is hilarious

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:17 (fifteen years ago)

BBC: "you would expect some of this to seep through to the markets at some point but ...".

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:20 (fifteen years ago)

On a long term basis, are labour right to be so set against full PR? Wouldn't it mean an eternity of a labour-led coalition governments? "Progressive majority" & etc?

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:20 (fifteen years ago)

xposts council elections don't have that much to do with national elections, though? i mean, like Suzy says, a lot of the time it's just people wanting to change their council, not particularly party-political.

control (c sharp major), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:21 (fifteen years ago)

On a long term basis, are labour right to be so set against full PR? Wouldn't it mean an eternity of a labour-led coalition governments? "Progressive majority" & etc?

― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:20 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

why do that when they're capable of winning outright?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:22 (fifteen years ago)

Well - they only win outright half the time!

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:23 (fifteen years ago)

most off the labour gains at a local level just regression to the mean/anti-incumbent bias after a truly awful 2006, rather than the labour party getting anything right at a national level

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:23 (fifteen years ago)

Well, if the country is more progressive than the right-wing parties who propose to run it, tough shit for the right-wing parties. That's democracy!

We are happy about the return of Labour to Camden, and it is more than party political - Lib/Con had a chance here and were voted out because their cuts sucked. My estate caretaker is a great woman who knows just the right amount of her residents' business to be useful to them in distress, and she is a local resident. I do not want her replaced by some callow school-leaver on sub-contract to Veolia, trailing a scent of Lynx and BO through our communal areas.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:24 (fifteen years ago)

most off the labour gains at a local level just regression to the mean/anti-incumbent bias after a truly awful 2006, rather than the labour party getting anything right at a national level

This is true, but they were probably the best results for Labour in local elections since 1995 (they actually lost control of a few councils on the night on Blair's landslide in '97 and have been haemorrhaging representation at council level ever since; 2002-03 were probably the worst).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:54 (fifteen years ago)

Osborne rules out Tory minority government

I'm fearing the consequences of a Lib-Lab coalition now, it just seems to be asking for a Tory landslide in the near future.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:58 (fifteen years ago)

Also something NOBODY pointed out yesterday but I thought was subtle and good: Brown's tie in Take Back Parliament purple, probably giving 'body language' idiots extra reason to hyperventilate.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:00 (fifteen years ago)

Nick Clegg & Gordon Brown wearing matching purple ties - I'm getting so confused, this whole colour representation thing is starting to get more complex than Cruisin'.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:04 (fifteen years ago)

"I agree with Nick's tie"

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:10 (fifteen years ago)

purple is red and blue so brown is getting into bed with cameron? (makes sense since they're the same party essentially)

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:11 (fifteen years ago)

Rifkind getting tore into Clegg. I assume CON DEM NATION is officially off.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:12 (fifteen years ago)

I had to read "purple is red and blue so brown" about 3 times before understand what it meant.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:13 (fifteen years ago)

xp, yeah, kinda feels like the conservatives are already preparing for opposition

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:14 (fifteen years ago)

share fears of con landslide, but we must remember this is the conservative party. they'll find some way to fuck it up.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:15 (fifteen years ago)

Suzy I thought Camden council was famously awful under labour? It certainly was when I was growing up there? Not saying Lib/Tories weren't worse...

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:15 (fifteen years ago)

YouGov’s poll for the Sun this morning asked people their preference on the coalition deal. 20% wanted the Conservatives to govern as a minority, 33% wanted a pact or coalition between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats (giving a total of 53% wanting a Conservative led government), 39% of respondents backed the Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, etc rainbow coalition.

YouGov also asked whether people would prefer FPTP or a proportional system. 38% backed FPTP, 47% proportional representation – this was a repeat of a question YouGov asked a week or so before the general election, and there has not been any significant change in opinion.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:19 (fifteen years ago)

Just seen that the DUP have voted for Peter Robinson to remain as DUP leader and therefore First Minister of NI even though he lost his seat. Didn't realise that was allowed over there. Could be an unpopular move for the party if even the people of overwhelmingly unionist East Belfast voted for a non-unionist party just to get him out.

(And just last month he was saying that while other NI politicians should not sit at both Westminster and Stormont it was important for the First Minister to have a seat at Westminster - hanging on to both his own jobs + a little jab at SF, who the DUP live in fear of one day taking the FMship - well, that didn't last long)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

spot the difference: the sun's english and scottish editions on the election - http://www.dracos.co.uk/scribblings/sun-2010-05-11/

joe, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:29 (fifteen years ago)

I've lived in Camden for the best part of 20 years. The past few years of Con/Lib have seen some dodgy privatizations and selloffs that staff I have 'real talk' with are VERY worried about because they don't see how it's cheaper. My caretaker told me she thought G Brown was fundamentally decent and was getting crapped on in an inappropriately personal way by the right-wing media, who are cross because they feel entitled to a result the public did not deliver. She said she felt the public got exactly the result they wanted, because it was doing two things: keeping Tories out and responding to media bias by manipulating the system in ways the media could but dream of. She says that although she is Labour, not even at their most quango were they as bad as what's been around for the past few years.

Also, the concept of a Big Society rammed chock full of Little Englanders does. Not. Compute. That's why nobody bought it.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:31 (fifteen years ago)

Since when was Britain "the Cradle of Democracy" ? I thought that was Greece.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:33 (fifteen years ago)

If not the cradle, Magna Carta certainly qualifies Britain as democracy's kindergarten.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:36 (fifteen years ago)

reporter on the bbc i think just said "i'm making it up because like everyone else i don't know". amazing.

joe, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:38 (fifteen years ago)

that's a guardian columnist

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:39 (fifteen years ago)

OK, time to make another pot of curry chicken and ride out the day with the BBC. Nowt else happening.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:39 (fifteen years ago)

cellan jones has a terrible job

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:41 (fifteen years ago)

xxp ah ok, just listening to it playing on my boss's speakers.

joe, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:42 (fifteen years ago)

I'm fearing the consequences of a Lib-Lab coalition now, it just seems to be asking for a Tory landslide in the near future.

This

Best case scenario is Tory minority government surely!!!

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:47 (fifteen years ago)

labour shd string LD along until the cons say a con-LD coalition is untenable then lab shd tell clegg to get fucked

щ(゚Д゚щ) srs face (cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:48 (fifteen years ago)

or just negotiate a crippling deal at that stage.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:50 (fifteen years ago)

lab shd tell clegg to get fucked

This would be amazing. The more this goes on the more I am growing to just despise Clegg. The guy came out and said three weeks ago that a coalition with the Conservatives was inconceivable. Now he's just transparently trying to gin up the best deal he can by playing Con and Lab against each other, like an unscrupulous sports agent starting a bidding war between the Red Sox and the Yankees. They all must know it, and must be absolutely despising him as well.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:56 (fifteen years ago)

The first of these vids is especially worth a look:

http://tv.gawker.com/5535917/jon-stewart-continues-his-mockery-of-the-british-election

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:56 (fifteen years ago)

Best case scenario is Tory minority government surely!!!

Osborne has already said they can't do it without some form of support from the LibDems.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

I think every possible option has already ruled out by one of the players, so I'm not reading too much into anything yet

(admittedly some of them were ruled out before the election and tunes changed pretty fast come Friday/Saturday)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:01 (fifteen years ago)

like this: http://www.dracos.co.uk/scribblings/sun-2010-05-11/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicksweeney/4598298302/

esp. this Sun logic: "Clegg’s price for backing Brown will be changes in the voting system designed to stop the Conservatives winning again.
Yet the election revealed no outcry for such change, otherwise Clegg’s lot would not have done so badly."

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:01 (fifteen years ago)

Now he's just transparently trying to gin up the best deal he can by playing Con and Lab against each other, like an unscrupulous sports agent starting a bidding war between the Red Sox and the Yankees

or....like the leader of a smaller party given an inordinate amount of bargaining power with two larger parties.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)

It does seem to me that Labour are on the verge of fucking up what was on the face of it the best result they could have realistically hoped for. Why on earth would they want to be in an extremely shaky coalition now in the worst of times? Why not let a fundamentally mismatched con/libdem coalition screw it up, then pick up the pieces in a year's time? The upside is that if the Tories ditch Cameron, who the hell could they get to replace him?

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)

Now he's just transparently trying to gin up the best deal he can by playing Con and Lab against each other, like an unscrupulous sports agent starting a bidding war between the Red Sox and the Yankees.

Clegg is politician shockah?

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

or what darragh said.

snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

"Yet the election revealed no outcry for such change"

The argument is that the only party supporting PR was the Lib Dems, and they actually lost seats, so the entire future of the country pivots on an issue that 75% of voters didn't think was important enough to vote for?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:08 (fifteen years ago)

Why not let a fundamentally mismatched con/libdem coalition screw it up, then pick up the pieces in a year's time?

the worst possible outcome is that they wouldn't screw it up

Black IP's (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:09 (fifteen years ago)

(don't believe that for a second, tbh, but it must rank high in any opposition party's fears, particularly if you were the guys in charge for teh crisis that needs fixing)

Black IP's (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:10 (fifteen years ago)

I suppose there always is the possibility that the Tories really will fuck things up so badly over the next six months that it would be better for them not to be in power even that long..

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:11 (fifteen years ago)

opposition parties don't tend to have that level of concern for the nation wellbeing, really

Black IP's (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:13 (fifteen years ago)

Because! (elephant in the room guys!)

Gordon Brown feels he is the best person to be in charge during 'these times' to sort things out!

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:13 (fifteen years ago)

i don't think the effects of tory policy will kick in that soon, "unfortunately" for the purposes of this question

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:14 (fifteen years ago)

The argument is that the only party supporting PR was the Lib Dems, and they actually lost seats, so the entire future of the country pivots on an issue that 75% of voters didn't think was important enough to vote for?

Lost seats yet gained popular vote.

Or rather - gained popular vote and still lost seats, which DOES reveal something very screwy with the current electoral system. That a lot more people voted for this reform and just didn't get credit for it.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:14 (fifteen years ago)

Because! (elephant in the room guys!)

Gordon Brown feels he is the best person to be in charge during 'these times' to sort things out!

^^^^^^^this exactly

control (c sharp major), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:15 (fifteen years ago)

I kinda wonder about that fairly often (the leader of our opposition is a harmless but clueless meh)- do these people really believe that they're the best person for the gig, or is it just topjobwant regardless.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:17 (fifteen years ago)

doubt anyone could tell you the difference there

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:18 (fifteen years ago)

PS: I'm well aware, of course, that much of what I've described could also apply to an uncomfortable Tory/Lib-Dem coalition which was resented or rejected by backbenchers of both parties. The big difference, though, is that it would not be a minority government. It would have a significant Parliamentary majority.

ladies and gentlemen, nick robinson

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:26 (fifteen years ago)

"Robinson looks like the kind of creature that really beligerantly spurts out eggs whilst dying." haha

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

a hung parliament looked likely for a month before the election, yet there was such little discussion of a lib/lab coaltion. the media had so thoroughly internalized tory triumphalism that it probably seemed inconceivable to them.

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:34 (fifteen years ago)

And absolutely none of a lib/con one either.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:36 (fifteen years ago)

Not bad for last November:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/22/andrew-rawnsley-general-election-hung-parliament

For the Liberal Democrats, a hung parliament is usually seen as a dream scenario which would elevate Nick Clegg from also-ran to kingmaker with the power to choose the government with a twitch of his thumb. It would not work out like that. A hung parliament could as easily be a total nightmare for the Lib Dems. Imagine that the Conservatives have the most seats. Even if the Tories were interested in a coalition with the Lib Dems, the Conservatives are implacably opposed to electoral reform, the sine qua non if Mr Clegg were to try to sell a Lib-Con pact to his party. It is most likely that David Cameron would form a minority government, produce a Queen's Speech and a first budget, probably one full of cuts suggested by Vince Cable, and then dare the Lib Dems to defy the will of the electorate and look "irresponsible" by voting it down. This approach to governing without a majority has worked well for Alex Salmond's SNP government in Edinburgh. Cameron would likely try to copy Harold Wilson. He governed for a short period after 1964, when Labour got a very small majority, and after February 1974, when Labour did not have a majority at all, and then went for a second election to seek a stronger position.

What if Labour were the largest party in a hung parliament? This is the mother of all nightmares for the Lib Dems. Their senior MPs are already privately divided about what they would do in that case. Even if Labour had the most seats in the Commons, the Conservatives are almost certain to have won more votes in the country. The Tories would cry – and their argument would get huge amplification in much of the media – that Labour had lost its "moral authority" to govern. Having spent the election campaign saying that the country cannot stand another five years of Gordon Brown, how could Nick Clegg turn round and announce that the Lib Dems were going to give him life support to stay at Number 10? One very senior Lib Dem tells me he fears that they would be "crucified".

There is one intriguing solution to this dilemma, which is being discussed very quietly among some senior politicians. A blood sacrifice would be required to acknowledge that Labour had been rejected as a majority government in order to facilitate a coalition with the Lib Dems. The Lib Dems could even make this a condition of striking the bargain. The deal would be that Gordon Brown resigns and is replaced with a new Labour prime minister with a commitment to electoral reform. Hello and welcome to Number 10, Alan Johnson or David Miliband.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

(that column is where i stole my nate-silver-beating prediction from by the way)

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:43 (fifteen years ago)

that is pretty good. there was almost total amnesia in the tory press in the last two months tho.

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:43 (fifteen years ago)

i love how much effort the tory press put into changing reality over the last two months with zero (or negative) return. whoever forms the next government, i'm feeling pretty good about the strength of the "progressive" narrative in UK politics for the forseeable.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:45 (fifteen years ago)

i don't care what anyone says, i like alan johnson

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:48 (fifteen years ago)

i love how much effort the tory press put into changing reality over the last two months with zero (or negative) return.

that's the huge story here rly

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

haha "lord mandelson invited me to 'clear off'"

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:53 (fifteen years ago)

that and the hung parliament obv xp

i think some of the conciliatory spirit in labour is in recognition of the limits of tory england....sure they made a few mistakes in the campaign but rly it was all set up for them, and this is about as good as it gets...

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:54 (fifteen years ago)

open goal, over the bar

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:58 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVq5-u7MH0

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:59 (fifteen years ago)

NR's the corner of all places linked to this in their commentary of post-election Cameron

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:59 (fifteen years ago)

and so it came to pass....

This is odd and unexpected: they say Lords Mandelson and Adonis are extraordinarily positive and willing to give most things on the radical Lib Dem agenda. Surprisingly it is those you might think on the left – Harriet Harman, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls who are foot-dragging. This team of negotiators claim Labour can't guarantee to get real PR through the party and none seem keen on it anyway. Their attitude, say my informants, is far from welcoming. The suspicion is they would prefer to sit on the opposition bench and watch the Lib Dems be slaughtered by tying themselves to the Conservatives.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/11/labour-lib-dems-alliance/print

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:02 (fifteen years ago)

Interesting how the split is between the elected MPs and the two lords.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:03 (fifteen years ago)

Reading the anti-coalition Labour MPs I'm kind of curious as to what awesome Labour principles they think the party needs to keep pure?

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:05 (fifteen years ago)

that's a sort of prussian schism innit? nobility wants a dirigiste ceding of power, bourgies want to fuck over the lowers (libs)

(nb i haven't read shit about history rly)

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:08 (fifteen years ago)

con/lib formal deal pretty much impossible now. clegg is apparently insisting on a formal arrangement, not just C&S, which cameron can't get from his party.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 (fifteen years ago)

Stoked for 15 years of Thatcherism 2.0 then.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:13 (fifteen years ago)

lots of rumbling about a deal with labour also being a non-starter, in which case minority con govt. and 6 months of thatcherism 2.0.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:14 (fifteen years ago)

share prices plunging. ftse down by, uh, 90pts. (yesterday up 260, and record breaking oversubscribed sale of govt bonds.)

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:16 (fifteen years ago)

Oh great, The Markets, from the Guardian:

This sounds ominous. A Lib-Lab pact would "almost guarantee" a downgrade of the UK's top-notch credit rating because both parties oppose early spending cuts to reduce the government deficit, according to analysts at BNP Paribas. They advised investors to sell the pound against the dollar.

"A Labour/Liberal government is the least-liked option by markets and would almost guarantee a downgrade of the UK sovereign," the analysts said. This is because "both parties agree that early expenditure cuts could harm the economy."

BLACKMAIL MUCH?

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:17 (fifteen years ago)

are there any yougov etc polls on alternative voting? if labour don't think that will be accepted (either by fiat or referendum) then they're not going to expose themselves to a second election under fptp

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:17 (fifteen years ago)

how will we feed our children in this unprecedented period of turmoil?

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5583/picture2rc.png

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

YouGov also asked whether people would prefer FPTP or a proportional system. 38% backed FPTP, 47% proportional representation – this was a repeat of a question YouGov asked a week or so before the general election, and there has not been any significant change in opinion.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

"a proportional system" a bit vague

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

the question was apparently:

"Do you support or oppose Clegg's plan to reform Britain's electoral system to make it more proportional? "

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:21 (fifteen years ago)

62% strongly support or tend to support it.
13% tend to or strongly oppose it

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:22 (fifteen years ago)

This sounds ominous. A Lib-Lab pact would "almost guarantee" a downgrade of the UK's top-notch credit rating because both parties oppose early spending cuts to reduce the government deficit, according to analysts at BNP Paribas.

Sounds like bullshit to me. Last time I looked BNP Paribas were not a ratings agency.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

yep, total bullshit.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

matt honestly u never looked bnp

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:25 (fifteen years ago)

terribly formed etc

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:26 (fifteen years ago)

don't think the markets are that bothered about whether jack johnson or john jackson is the next PM when they have this to think about

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/05/02/weekinreview/02marsh-image/02marsh-image-custom1.jpg

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:37 (fifteen years ago)

this is so fucked, labour divided but libdems still seemingly insistent on a coalition

why won't they just do confidence and supply?

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:39 (fifteen years ago)

Cabinet posts are about legitimising Lib Dem claims to government in the run-up to a PR election

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:43 (fifteen years ago)

Markets fear Labour government = default position from 1900 to 1997

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:43 (fifteen years ago)

Damn, I missed Prescott. Looked lively.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:45 (fifteen years ago)

cannot stand the sight or sound of john prescott

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:45 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ Prescott as he left BBC interview "right, is this mic switched off?"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:46 (fifteen years ago)

I have that reaction to Gove.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:46 (fifteen years ago)

xp

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:46 (fifteen years ago)

"WILL YOU SHUT UP FOR A MINUTE LOVE?"

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:50 (fifteen years ago)

satanic pentangle of debt

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:53 (fifteen years ago)

letwin is about 5'2". i had no idea.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:01 (fifteen years ago)

haha

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:02 (fifteen years ago)

great banter from the crowd

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:02 (fifteen years ago)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/05/02/weekinreview/02marsh-image/02marsh-image-custom1.jpg

shouldn't this be in the 'splitting bills after dinner' thread?

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:04 (fifteen years ago)

So Libdems and Cons back round the table, surely it can't go on much longer? Is this the final final offer?

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:14 (fifteen years ago)

Parliament Gold:

1979 Vote of No Confidence

Callaghan:
"We can truly say that once the Leader of the Opposition discovered what the Liberals and the SNP would do, she found the courage of their convictions. So, tonight, the Conservative Party, which wants the Act repealed and opposes even devolution, will march through the Lobby with the SNP, which wants independence for Scotland, and with the Liberals, who want to keep the Act. What a massive display of unsullied principle! The minority parties have walked into a trap. If they win, there will be a general election. I am told that the current joke going around the House is that it is the first time in recorded history that turkeys have been known to vote for an early Christmas."

One crucial vote was lost by Labour backbencher Sir Alfred Broughton who was unable to attend the vote due to ill health.[1] Broughton was mortally ill and died a few days after the vote but was determined to come to Westminster if it meant saving the Government, although his doctor was strongly opposed. Parliamentary procedure would have allowed his vote to be counted even if he remained within an ambulance at Speaker's Court. However, after a debate over what would happen if Broughton died en route, Callaghan finally decided that he would not risk Broughton's health by asking him to travel, a decision which was to bring down the Government.[2] Broughton died on 2 April 1979.

Labour lost 311-310.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

so Tories offer is basically
- couple of cabinet seats
- budget with HUGE spending cuts
- a referendum on AV (that Lib Dems don't exactly want and that was offered in the Labour manifesto anyway and that will probably return a no vote)

Lib Dems going for that is basically "ooh look shiny cabinet seat fuck whatever my principles and policies were"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8674103.stm

'Nick Clegg and David Cameron met again in private on Tuesday morning - as a senior Lib Dem told the BBC the Tory offer was the "only deal in town".'

The "senior Lib Dem" is Clegg himself, right?

tomofthenest, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

they'll deservedly get destroyed (if not destroy themselves) if they do this xp

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:18 (fifteen years ago)

"We can truly say that once the Leader of the Opposition discovered what the Liberals and the SNP would do, she found the courage of their convictions. So, tonight, the Conservative Party, which wants the Act repealed and opposes even devolution, will march through the Lobby with the SNP, which wants independence for Scotland, and with the Liberals, who want to keep the Act. What a massive display of unsullied principle! The minority parties have walked into a trap. If they win, there will be a general election. I am told that the current joke going around the House is that it is the first time in recorded history that turkeys have been known to vote for an early Christmas."

I know some v disaffected old Labour guys who will *never* vote SNP or Lib after that shit.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

So, party walks away from "shabby and desparate back-handed deal" towards a "historic and bold deal"

(Daily Express front page series)

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:21 (fifteen years ago)

could the lib dems in a con-LD coalition veto thatcher's state funeral?

Alfred, Lord Spider Monkey (cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:22 (fifteen years ago)

Nick Clegg takes up new cabinet role.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IPZxrap1eb8/SeeyVc9OiUI/AAAAAAAAAfc/KUJhJdysbmM/s400/Nick+Clegg.jpg

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:23 (fifteen years ago)

Callaghan finally decided that he would not risk Broughton's health by asking him to travel, a decision which was to bring down the Government.

Yeah, but they'd have just started another vote of no-confidence as soon as that guy died.

Before or after they paid tribute to him, I dunno.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:23 (fifteen years ago)

could the lib dems in a con-LD coalition veto thatcher's state funeral?

Thatcher's not having a state funeral

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:24 (fifteen years ago)

Apptly this meeting is Tories playing hardball and saying Libs can take the deal now or walk.

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:24 (fifteen years ago)

Walk, my little Lib Dems, walk

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:25 (fifteen years ago)

Thatcher's not having a state funeral

over your dead body?

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:26 (fifteen years ago)

thatcher's state funeral not rly important when the fucking lib dems are about to revivify thatcherism

lib/con coalition easily the worst possible outcome

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:26 (fifteen years ago)

Apptly this meeting is Tories playing hardball and saying Libs can take the deal now or walk.

― stet, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LD walk and then labour tell them to suck eggs let's do this

Alfred, Lord Spider Monkey (cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

totally

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

that wd be great...

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

could the lib dems in a con-LD coalition veto thatcher's state funeral?

― Alfred, Lord Spider Monkey (cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:22 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Best hope is that Clive Dunn dies the week before Thatcher and monopolises that year's state funeral budget.

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

minority conservative govt the best possible outcome

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

Has to happen. Tell Nick Pipsqueak to come back when he has more MPs.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

minority conservative govt the best possible outcome

think so yeah

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

Best hope is that Clive Dunn dies the week before Thatcher and monopolises that year's state funeral budget.

He's a lefty too, Clive Dunn!

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

Now quite keen on Tory min govt (after my rainbow giddiness of yesterday, which was more joy at Tory press meltdown). It can't work, they'll pass f-all and in 3-4 months Lab will have a new leader. What's not to like.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

yes kind of like the idea of tory being in charge for a few month to basically prove that they are really shit at governing and then we can have an election again

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:31 (fifteen years ago)

hang on weren't we all saying this the other day? or perhaps yesterday? and then everyone was like "oh no but tories, even in minority govt, thrive in times of economic shittiness, and we'll be out of power for a generation"

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:32 (fifteen years ago)

Fuck the Lib Dems if they back a Tory budget tbh - I think their base will turn away from them.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:32 (fifteen years ago)

so no reform then? sounds like people just want labour back in and fuck all changing?

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)

if you're all saying this the other day then by definition everyone can't be like "oh no but tories"

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)

i mean i agree, i stand by it - i don't think a tory minority govt would thrive this year, and by the same token a rainbow coalition would be even less likely to thrive.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)

yes kind of like the idea of tory being in charge for a few month to basically prove that they are really shit at governing and then we can have an election again

the slight problem being they'll prove this by decimating public services and/or causing a second recession

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)

Also, they're the only party with any money to fight an election

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:34 (fifteen years ago)

yeah but our society is already down the pan, what's to lose? xpost

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:35 (fifteen years ago)

So, Tories in, 6 months later the 'coalition' falls to bits and Cameron is ousted, becoming the person who was the Prime minister for the shortest time.

That'd please Gordon, wouldn't it? (who is at the moment)

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:36 (fifteen years ago)

Is he?

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:36 (fifteen years ago)

oh no but tories, even in minority govt, thrive in times of economic shittiness, and we'll be out of power for a generation

I've stopped thinking about it in terms of "us" being out of power, but I am worried about "them" being in power, and I do think the Tories will come through a minority gov stronger, also because the system as it is gives the advantage to the incumbent. I hope I'm wrong about most of that. Maybe we'll see.

Still think that all an anti-Tory coalition has to do is hang in long enough to get PR, and that that's do-able.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:36 (fifteen years ago)

really not convinced that Tories would survive only 6 months, however fucked things become (due to them or not).

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

if you're all saying this the other day then by definition everyone can't be like "oh no but tories"

the first "we" was more "me"

tom d's point is good tho - lib dems certainly have no money left.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think 3-4 months is long enough to make yourself unpopular enough to lose an election outright, the first cuts would have to be insanely brutal. They might yet be.

Although it would be kinda lol if we had another election in the autumn and ended up with yet another hung parliament.

(xpost - think its time to stop pretending the Tories are the only party who would decimate public services. The debate seems to be about when to start decimating)

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

Ben Bradshaw & Carwyn Jones nicely pointing out that the Tories attempted to form a "coalition of losers" in Wales.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

So, Tories in, 6 months later the 'coalition' falls to bits and Cameron is ousted, becoming the person who was the Prime minister for the shortest time.

Tories can blame the Lib Dems for the coalition falling to bits. Call an election. Lib Dem vote collapses. Tories increase majority.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

Tories will most definitely call another election as soon as they can

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

also have a feeling that the PR referendum would somehow backfire and not pass. would be interesting to see just how much the rw press go to town against it - perhaps i'm over-estimating them (and under-estimating the strength of support behind it).

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:38 (fifteen years ago)

think its time to stop pretending the Tories are the only party who would decimate public services. The debate seems to be about when to start decimating

Yeah this. I don't see where mainstream opposition to this dogma is gonna come from, whoever becomes the next Labour leader.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

I've changed my mind. I don't know what I want. (And I don't even know how to get it).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

this "coalition of losers" thing is ridic. your legitimacy is not a function of how many seats you have now compared to how many you used to have. it's a function of how many seats you have now compared to the other side.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

hang on weren't we all saying this the other day? or perhaps yesterday? and then everyone was like "oh no but tories, even in minority govt, thrive in times of economic shittiness, and we'll be out of power for a generation"

the difference being brown's resignation and the poisoning of any nascent lib/con sympathy increasing the tories' paranoid/selfdestructive tendencies

and the a lab/lib coalition has been discussed opnely but all sorts of signs from within labour show it cld be prohibitively difficult

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

the^

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

your legitimacy is not a function of how many seats you have now compared to how many you used to have. it's a function of how many seats you have now compared to the other side.

Quite. Don't think the Tories in politics or the media are making this argument in good faith tho.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

it's a function of how many seats you have now compared to the other side.

they all have fewer seats than the Tories therefore losers is p apt, no?

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

LD+Con: LD base is disgusted, Labour base too at LDs taking worse deal than Lab offered, govt gives them nothing but they share blame for its unpopular decisions
LD+Lab: wild press discontent re "coalition of losers", unpopular cuts will have to happen, possible union outrage, govt probably limps weakly to collapse - not good for either party
No deal, minority govt: LDs get called weak/picky/not ready to play with the big boys, stringing us all along then backing down etc

...a menu of delicious choices for Clegg

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

tories' self-destructive tendencies have been rampant since cameron failed to bring it home for them. surely being a minority govt would only increase them more.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

The media has basically plugged the same 2 or 3 memes since Friday morning: "coalition of losers", "only Lib-Con coalition can work", "government in the National Interest not about the Conservative party ooh no missus".

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:43 (fifteen years ago)

...a menu of delicious choices for Clegg

Nick "Icarus" Clegg (Nicarus Clegg?)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:43 (fifteen years ago)

tories' self-destructive tendencies have been rampant since cameron failed to bring it home for them. surely being a minority govt would only increase them more.

Depends on the incoming Tory MPs, a lot of them may feel loyalty to Cameron for getting them this far. Whether that's enough to outweigh the malcontents I have no idea.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:44 (fifteen years ago)

Tory MPs tend to be a slavishly obedient lot in the Commons (and no doubt elswhere, ifyaknowwhorrimean)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

(xpost - think its time to stop pretending the Tories are the only party who would decimate public services. The debate seems to be about when to start decimating)

the conservatives could use the deficit to push through things even thatcher found impossible/unpalatable. they're the only ones to whom its an opportunity for friedmanite savagery and its reasonable to think they'll go a lot further than labour, especially if its combined/prettified with extensive tax cuts. the differences shouldn't be elided by 'they're all cunts', however true that may be.

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

your legitimacy is not a function of how many seats you have now compared to how many you used to have. it's a function of how many seats you have now compared to the other side.

Quite. Don't think the Tories in politics or the media are making this argument in good faith tho.

yeah. my point is that which side is the loser in a hung parliament depends on what the "sides" turn out to be, not which party lost the most MPs compared to an election a few years ago.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)

yeah. my point is that which side is the loser in a hung parliament depends on what the "sides" turn out to be, not which party lost the most MPs compared to an election a few years ago.

well yeah - the way in which the tory press has wilfully misrepresented the basic rules of the political system so that perfectly legitimate events are framed as ~~AFFRONTS TO DEMOCRACY ITSELF~~~~ is pretty fucking disgusting. but what's new.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:50 (fifteen years ago)

tories' self-destructive tendencies have been rampant since cameron failed to bring it home for them. surely being a minority govt would only increase them more.

that's what i was saying yeah. if there was any chance, however precarious of a temporary lib/lab pact to bring in AV and then call an election that wd be best, but the labour tribalists are meeting this afternoon to scupper any chance of that. hence my renewed hope for a tory minority govt.

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:51 (fifteen years ago)

i mean, the tories did not win. if they had won they'd have a majority govt now. winning in the uk system isn't "getting more seats than the others", it's "getting a majority". everyone lost. a tory/lib dem coalition would be as much a coalition of losers as any other - that's sort of the point of needing a coalition. UGH

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:52 (fifteen years ago)

(xpost - think its time to stop pretending the Tories are the only party who would decimate public services. The debate seems to be about when to start decimating)

― Matt DC, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:37 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is the bottom line. the main argument is that the tories by doing it sooner will make things worse. the second argument is that they will go further than is necessary to cut the deficit, and they are opposed to state intervention in the economy (ie to jump-start it or whatever) which is what we need now.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:52 (fifteen years ago)

possible union outrage

Unite has endorsed Lib/Lab deal in a letter today.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

Will be looking at every Labour MP that comes out strong against PR and looking forward to whatever brave new alternative policies they put forward come the leadership election.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

the way in which the tory press has wilfully misrepresented the basic rules of the political system so that perfectly legitimate events are framed as ~~AFFRONTS TO DEMOCRACY ITSELF~~~~ is pretty fucking disgusting. but what's new.

Yep (and well put). I mean that is how the system has always worked, we are not being forced through strange new territory by any means - if you don't like it, why will you be bleating that it is perfect in 3 months' time, should any reform be put on the table?

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

at this point i have no idea what would be best

wouldn't a minority tory govt have to do a much-watered down budget? or wouldn't it?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

well yeah, you'd think!

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)

Minority Tory gov would be weak short-term certainly. Question is what use they make of the machinery of power.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)

the tory media rely on political amnesia to rewrite history and the unwritten constitution for their viewers/readers

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:56 (fifteen years ago)

wdn't expect any different rly

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:56 (fifteen years ago)

wouldn't a minority tory govt have to do a much-watered down budget? or wouldn't it?

Voting a Tory budget down could force an election, allowing the Tories to indignantly blame the other (totally skint) parties (roll out the old AN AFFRONT TO DEMOCRACY headline/ Adam Boulton punch-ups etc)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

wouldn't a minority tory govt have to do a much-watered down budget? or wouldn't it?

are you going to trust the lib dems to be a voice of restraint? if confidence & supply is used then there's no chance anyway

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

the conservatives could use the deficit to push through things even thatcher found impossible/unpalatable. they're the only ones to whom its an opportunity for friedmanite savagery and its reasonable to think they'll go a lot further than labour, especially if its combined/prettified with extensive tax cuts. the differences shouldn't be elided by 'they're all cunts', however true that may be.

Yeah this is true of course, except I'm not sure the Tories will be able to afford extensive tax cuts however much they might want them. I think, however reluctantly Labour might cut, their cuts will still be pretty bleak for those at the sharp end. And a Labour-led govt that cuts to that extent will find itself in even more of a crisis - what is Labour for if it has to slash public spending so heavily? What remnants of ideology are left to fall back on? Labour squeaking back into power could be massively damaging to the rebuilding of the party that's so important.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:25 (fifteen years ago)

Dr Evan Harris knows the Lib-Lab talks went badly from "reading the runes". Quack!

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:28 (fifteen years ago)

What's Brown doing now anyway? Is he just sitting back and playing Flash games while watching the clock? Maybe looking at holidays on the internet...

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:29 (fifteen years ago)

A custom version of Plants vs Zombies where the zombies are blue-cravatted Tory fuckwits and the house is Number 10

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:31 (fifteen years ago)

back on the kitkats, chuckling away to himself, being nice to all the staff he's given a hard time to

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:31 (fifteen years ago)

Lobbing mobile phones through a basketball hoop on the back of his door.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:32 (fifteen years ago)

Just having a quick hoover round...

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

maybe the labour party conference game from nathan barley, with an expansion patch for osborne, cameron, vaizey et al

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

and finishing off some spare lines.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

Making REQIUEM crank calls to Alex Salmond

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

^ This should have been Clegg's MO for every phone call he's made throughout the past five days.

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:36 (fifteen years ago)

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/01/20/gall.bushltr0120.wh.jpg

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:36 (fifteen years ago)

Hello, is that Samantha? Can I speak to your husband please? Yes, yes, I'm a friend from work, thanks... REQUIEM REQUIEM!"

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:38 (fifteen years ago)

the to-ing and fro-ing of today is an awful lot like the second thick of it special, except the godlike skulduggery of malcolm is replaced by the deathly force of lib dem venality

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:38 (fifteen years ago)

if labour actually does a deal with the lib dems i have the sun headline already written. go ahead dominic, you can use it.

LIB/LAB CON

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:45 (fifteen years ago)

was it nakh earlier with CON/DEM NATION?

Alfred, Lord Spider Monkey (cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

A whole succession of Lab people have now rubbished any deal with the LDs; latest being Kate Hoey who is clearly hacked off that unelected dudes like Mandy, Adonis and Campbell are involved in the talks.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

nakh earlier with CON/DEM NATION

Believe that was Onimo.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

onimo's been killing it throughout tbf

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:54 (fifteen years ago)

LABOURIOUS DEMOCRATS

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:54 (fifteen years ago)

A Lib-Lab deal is apparently OFF, according to 5Live.

Hang Parliament (DavidM), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:54 (fifteen years ago)

Too many Labour figures have blinked first (min after min of 'we have lost the election/time to go/can't offer anything to cling on etc'). So yeah it looks as if the PROG alliance is all over.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

CON:DEM NATION was also the front page of the Mirror yesterday.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

Anybody else think that Mandelson and Campbell orchestrated a bluff yesterday that got the Lib Dems to the brink of "yes, but Gordon's got to go", presented that to Gordon, got him to resign -- and are now pulling everything back?

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

the best result for the Labour Party, this

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:56 (fifteen years ago)

lib-lab off

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

BREAKING NEWS:Number 10 recognises that talks with the Lib Dems have not and will reach not any positive conclusion, and they are now discussing the method of declaring that their side of the negotiation is over, BBC Radio 5 Live's political correspondent Jon Pienaar says.

Alfred, Lord Spider Monkey (cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:58 (fifteen years ago)

"bags being loaded into cars round the back of downing street"

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:58 (fifteen years ago)

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:55 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Anybody else think that Mandelson and Campbell orchestrated a bluff yesterday that got the Lib Dems to the brink of "yes, but Gordon's got to go", presented that to Gordon, got him to resign -- and are now pulling everything back?

maybe, it was a good time to go but brown wd have known he was finished either way

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:58 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg rubs Labs up the wrong way

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:59 (fifteen years ago)

So we're set for a Tory government? Nice of New Labour to get in one final betrayal of the people they're supposed to stand for.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:59 (fifteen years ago)

I think it also helps boost the chances of a minority Tory government, a pissed off Ashcroft and a much more winnable election with a new leader in under a year.

I think the biggest win is the Tories won't be able to conduct their gerrymandering exercised couched as cutting the number of MPs (everywhere but in their own seats).

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

xposts

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

So yeah it looks as if the PROG alliance is all over.

They were Close to the Edge of an agreement

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

*facepalm*

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

But no-one goes awat empty handed! Clegg hands the Labour team their goodie bags.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:-ZHv6hxnlRGeDM:http://paulankers.mycouncillor.org.uk/files/2009/03/nick-clegg-john-leech-unicorn.jpg

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

according to sky "balls went in too hard"

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

woah guy

idk if this has been mentioned?

but the ftse has FALLEN 77 POINTS

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

selling England by the pound (to Europe) (it is an album by Genesis) (!)

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

fucking pathetic isn't it xp

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)

So we're set for a Tory government? Nice of New Labour to get in one final betrayal of the people they're supposed to stand for.

When it comes to betrayals, I think we're about to see a whopper of a one from the Liberal Democrats

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)

selling England by the pound (to Europe) (it is an album by Genesis) (!)

Crime of the Century (it is an album by Supertramp)(!)

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)

Fancy a sweepstake on when the first LD defections will come?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:06 (fifteen years ago)

the LDs are +completely fucked+ at the next election if this really happens

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:06 (fifteen years ago)

Ed Miliband trying to look disappointed that coalition talks with the Lib Dems failed

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:07 (fifteen years ago)

It's happening!
xp

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:08 (fifteen years ago)

this is the only ~vaguely~ comprehensible explanation for the lib dems right now

It is coalition or nothing This is the most sudden shift. Last night hardly anyone spoke up for the merits of a “confidence and supply” deal, which had been the pre-election favourite from Clegg’s team down. It is “in for a penny in for a pound”. There is an understandable sensitivity to appearing impotent — the MPs suffer being teased on a daily basis about a vote for the party being wasted. Some of them have had enough of long internal debates about Lib Dem policies that never see the light of day. They think most power is exercised by ministers in day-to-day decisions, rather than legislation. The danger is that no one notices what influence the junior partner brings to bear in a coalition.

http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/05/lib-dem-mps-move-closer-to-a-tory-deal/

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:08 (fifteen years ago)

by 'this' you mean total abstention NRQ?

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

There's got to be a fair few scots, welsh and southern LDs who might do a "fuck you, clegg" and leave/refound the SDP if they can't block the coalition through the triple lock.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

they are anathema if they do this shit

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

Impeccably impartial BBC continuing to bang the party line about how the Lib Dems would have been irreparably damaged by a coalition with an unpopular Labour government - yet strangely silent, as is most of the media, on how exactly a coalition with the Tories is going to help them

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)

Mike Sergeant really is the coalition between Martin Clunes and Boris Becker

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:11 (fifteen years ago)

Its tough for the Lib Dems: Labour lost 90 seats.

Really depends on the deal detail. If there is a fixed term parliament/a referendum/some concession on the budget and tax reform they can go back and say that they have achieved quite a lot of their manifesto pledges.

Would have been happy with a Labour coup. Have no time for all of this 'good for the nation' talk. xps

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:12 (fifteen years ago)

nick robinson looking very chummy with the scum there.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

I've not met one LD voter who voted LD because they wanted a tory gov, it was always because they thought them more radical than Labour who had betrayed their 'liberal' credentials.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

CON:DEM NATION was also the front page of the Mirror yesterday.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:55 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'd have gotten away with biting a Daily Mirror pun if it wasn't etc

(I must have subliminally absorbed it from a news stand, don't think I've ever even held a Daily Mirror)

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

I need a John Prescott vs Adam Boulton three-rounder to cheer me up at this point.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:15 (fifteen years ago)

Its tough for the Lib Dems: Labour lost 90 seats.

Especially as they did so well in losing 6 seats themselves

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:16 (fifteen years ago)

I've not met one LD voter who voted LD because they wanted a tory gov, it was always because they thought them more radical than Labour who had betrayed their 'liberal' credentials.

― Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:14 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark

yep. in all three LD constituencies this has been the case. labour should be able to eat them alive for this, and there should be defections too, as ed said. after all, half of its DNA is in the labour party fffs.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:16 (fifteen years ago)

not watching tv right now but friend just tweeted -

LibDem MP to Michael Crick: "I cant believe how much they've offered. the Tories have rubbed out their manifesto and inserted ours."

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:16 (fifteen years ago)

if true that is literally the only way this could possibly benefit the LDs

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)

lol if true

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)

Suckers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)

but...how...

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)

LOL @ gullible Liberal twats

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)

But it's a bitter LOL

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)

turns out Trident really was just a trident

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)

Brian Donohoe on why he's pro-FPTP: (paraphrasing) "People know how to put an "x" in the box but some of the them don't understand this PR business; we had people leaving polling stations in tears when this was introduced in Scotland."

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)

Frankly if the LDs join up with the Tories we'll all be Living In The Past (It is an album by Jethro Tull!)(

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)

Tories offer moon on a stick. Retract moon on a stick after five minutes. Libs stuck in an unhappy marriage knowing bringing down the govt will result in an election they'll get fucking hammered in. End times.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)

Brian Donohoe on why he's pro-FPTP: (paraphrasing) "People know how to put an "x" in the box but some of the them don't understand this PR business; we had people leaving polling stations in tears when this was introduced in Scotland."

To be fair it was a fucking shambles, particularly when people were getting multiple ballot papers for multiple voting systems.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think a tory-lib coalition will have any chance of passing any significant piece of primary legislation, either the tory right or the LD left is going to revolt.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:21 (fifteen years ago)

Lol @ "Eric Pickles"

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:21 (fifteen years ago)

yeah well a 14 year old kid got thru this FPTP MADNESS

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:21 (fifteen years ago)

:((((( @ onimo

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:21 (fifteen years ago)

(End Times was an album by Eels btw)

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

this is all as sad as a Script For A Jester's Tear

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

is this it

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

Tell the queen to put the kettle on.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems promising not to Meddle (it is an album by Pink Floyd!) in economic matters, but it's a Fragile (it is an album by Yes!) coalition nonetheless

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

1618: Confusing signals coming from the Lib Dems. A frontbench Lib Dem source has told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that a deal between his party and the Tories will be announced later today. But, in response to the question, "Have the talks collapsed with Labour?" another Lib Dem insider has told our correspondent Mike Sergeant: "No. Our expectation is that talks will continue."

Looks like Labour have decided to plump for a spell heckling from the opposition benches + opportunity to get back in as quickly as possible. No one's told this particular LibDem fence-sitter obviously.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ lembit opik

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)

"I'm joined by Tory blogger" oh fuck off. Think I'll watch Sky and hopefully see Boulton explode when this all falls through at the last minute.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:26 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ lembit opik

yet he is a rare person speaking "the tories didn't win the election" sense! truly strange times.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

Brian Donohoe on why he's pro-FPTP: (paraphrasing) "People know how to put an "x" in the box but some of the them don't understand this PR business; we had people leaving polling stations in tears when this was introduced in Scotland."

Translation for Britishes:

Your political classes think you are all stupid.

sonofstan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ lembit opik

He is the Churchillian figure waiting, brooding even, on the sidelines to rebuild the shattered Liberal Democrat Party

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:28 (fifteen years ago)

It does sound condescending as fuck but there really were people who did not know how to vote. Many claimed at the time that the results were a joke because people didn't even know if they'd voted for the right person/party.

xpost

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:29 (fifteen years ago)

Iain Dale leading with the important stories this afternoon: http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2010/05/lady-t-woos-al-jazeera.html

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:29 (fifteen years ago)

and lembit mocking the BBC for cutting away to david cameron getting into a car

HE IS THE MOST REASONABLE MAN ON TELLY RIGHT NOW

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:30 (fifteen years ago)

Opik: The Wilderness Year

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:30 (fifteen years ago)

and lembit mocking the BBC for cutting away to david cameron getting into a car

HE IS THE MOST REASONABLE MAN ON TELLY RIGHT NOW

and his reminding us of the lib dem triple-lock doohicky thing

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:32 (fifteen years ago)

Many claimed at the time that the results were a joke because people didn't even know if they'd voted for the right person/party.

last time round *was* a fucking joke, tbf.

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:33 (fifteen years ago)

www.scottishelectionstudy.org.uk/docs/DDRJCC08.doc

There were 16 (of 73) constituency contests in which the number of rejected ballots was greater than the winning candidate’s majority (as compared with just two in 1999 and four in 2003). Of these, the SNP won nine, Labour five and the Liberal Democrats two. Moreover, the overall election result was on a knife-edge with the SNP winning just one more seat than Labour. In that context, it would not be surprising if many respondents suspected that rejected ballots had swung the outcome.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:33 (fifteen years ago)

would settle for PR in Tory holds only

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)

1633David Cameron has just left Tory HQ - not a word passed his lips.

ooh!

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)

1633 Charles Kennedy has just left Liberal HQ - not a drink passed his lips.

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OK_WdCyguGY/SXdI9-hh4KI/AAAAAAAAAXc/oNJv-yAxiB0/s320/gentle+giant+taste.jpg

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:38 (fifteen years ago)

It is an album by Gentle Giant!

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:39 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ lembit opik

Especially on "Have I got news for you" yesterday.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:40 (fifteen years ago)

Anybody else think that Mandelson and Campbell orchestrated a bluff yesterday that got the Lib Dems to the brink of "yes, but Gordon's got to go", presented that to Gordon, got him to resign -- and are now pulling everything back?

This wd also explain why no Labour MPs have really been consulted about anything, though TBF consultation is not really these guys' style anyway

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:40 (fifteen years ago)

More like a bluff to get rid of Brown

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)

That's what I mean!

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)

i.e. they never wanted a deal in the first place, but it was the only lever they had to get rid of Brown.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:42 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, I realised that after I read it again

See the majority? Where's the majority? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:43 (fifteen years ago)

This is it - they're clearing the room in St Stephen's Club for Cameron's announcement (probably).

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:43 (fifteen years ago)

Oh fuck Alan Duncan's on the beeb now, I'm outta here.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)

1644 There will be a joint meeting of the Liberal Democrat parliamentary party and ruling federal executive at 1930 BST tonight. According to the Lib Dem rule book, at least three-quarters of the members of both bodies must give Nick Clegg their backing before he can agree to a deal with the Tories.

So, I guess Cameron's statement will be a bit of a 'thankyewveryglad' speech without actual news content...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:46 (fifteen years ago)

At most, a Cameron will say "Labour have definitely stood down, it's now down to us to be PM, with or without LibDems"

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)

It has a really nice back garden, The St Stephen's Club - I've often fancied trying to gatecrash it (still not quite sure what it is)

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)

I've been in there, it is very nice but a bit, you know, conservative.

AAARRRRGGGGHHHH, the beeb coverage is painful! LOOK THERE'S MANDELSON LEAVING NO.10 - WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BUT IT ALL ADDS TO THE CONFUSION!!!

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:50 (fifteen years ago)

Ha ha - bags packed into cars at rear of No 10 belonged to the bizzies, not the Darlings, not the Browns.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:51 (fifteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/GPW_Portland/status/13794581462

Libdems have six cabinet posts, Clegg becomes deputy PM, sources say.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)

Isn't that rather a lot?

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)

yes

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)

fuckin ell even evan harris is signed up

fu 4eva lib dems

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)

one of them is presumably cable

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

"Sauces" say, more like. As in "sauce", as in booze, as in that guy who drank a lot of booze. As in that guy. Yeah?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

i'm expecting whatever the tories have offered to be "rather a lot" - six cabinet posts + deputy premiership is pretty unretractable though

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

I bet lembik's pissed off: He'd have got one, right?

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

hahahaha

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:56 (fifteen years ago)

deputy prime minster is a pretty useless post though no?

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:56 (fifteen years ago)

what price glory etc

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:56 (fifteen years ago)

That might make the coalition a bit more secure. *Might*.

Think it might be bullshit though.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

deputy prime minster is a pretty useless post though no?

not if cameron DIES

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

clegg doesn't have a natural cabinet post except maybe foreign sec. europe is not cabinet iirc.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

or is removed via the medium of SCANDAL ahahahaha

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)

Not true, actually. Deputy PM doesn't guarantee succession. xpost to lex

emil.y, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)

How fuck does George Pascoe-Watson know? Are the tory negotiators talking to The Sun before their own party?

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)

need you ask?

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)

yes!

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

(xp)

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

xpost still, Cleggy gets to sit in the big chair and answer the telephone when Cameron's out of the office.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

Oh he's not with The Sun anymore carry on.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

the tory party is mental. totally understand the negotiators not wanting to tell them anything.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

ideal result: the mental tory party rejects this deal and the LDs do too. would make cameron and clegg look like the plonkers they are.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:01 (fifteen years ago)

All parties reject each other and your new PM -- Alex Salmond!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

The editor of the Spectator magazine, Fraser Nelson, tweets: Senior Tories say most likely outcome is minority government, with Lib Dems in a confidence-and-supply deal.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

it's yesterday morning all over again

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:04 (fifteen years ago)

guardian got a snap of nick clegg's notes for negotiation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/may/11/election-2010-coalition-nick-clegg

joe, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)

aaaargh just posting that

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)

t/s; fraser nelson (never trust ppl whose names cld easily be reversed) vs george pascoe watson (never trust ppl whose name = )

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg's notes

"Shoot"

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)

^^^^^^

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)

haha

joe, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:07 (fifteen years ago)

Top line - "Bed linen" ? what, as in do not air in public? eh?

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:07 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg's notes

"Shoot"

― mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:06 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

10/10

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:07 (fifteen years ago)

ACTIVATE THE DEVICE

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:11 (fifteen years ago)

Amazingly mundane - where's the demand for all yellow M & M's?

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:13 (fifteen years ago)

bellini

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:14 (fifteen years ago)

1721 Labour sources say they are preparing for the possibility (no more than that) that Gordon Brown could resign tonight if Nick Clegg informs him that there is no chance of an agreement between Labour and the Liberal Democrats, or that the Tory Lib Dem talks have been successful, says the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

Too much coverage of this going on, i'm missing the weakest link :(

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:34 (fifteen years ago)

Apparently something happens at 6pm, but nobody is quite sure what.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:38 (fifteen years ago)

until then, we have footage of rooftops!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:39 (fifteen years ago)

it's the Simpsons where Lisa gets a pony on C4 if that's any help.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:40 (fifteen years ago)

FTSE drops @ increasing likelihood of CON/DEM I thought they were all about STRONGNESS in the City?

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:42 (fifteen years ago)

FTSE drops @ increasing likelihood of CON/DEM

and the Pope has cancelled his visit to Britain (i'm here all year)

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:45 (fifteen years ago)

"press officers are going in and out to get coffees"

24-hour news!

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:48 (fifteen years ago)

Haha yeah

"any developments there?"

"Yes, actually, some press officers have left because they were told the next hour would be a good time to get lunch"

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:50 (fifteen years ago)

I've watched abt 10 hours of people going "I have no idea" :(

PS3's going on, I need to shoot something.

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

it's the 5th day of people saying "i have no idea"!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:00 (fifteen years ago)

brown has just phoned tony blair.

i guess new labour is now officially over.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:15 (fifteen years ago)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/940/gpb.jpg

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:23 (fifteen years ago)

i guess new labour is now officially over

spent more time on its feet as a putrid zombie than anything else

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:28 (fifteen years ago)

Nothing until at least 8.30pm. Gordon's waiting until the Queen's in bed so he can have one more day.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:31 (fifteen years ago)

phew i can finally get some lunch

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)

Just tried clicking on the Join Labour link, server busy. Apparently 1000 new members in the last 24 hours.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

I thought you were already signed up?

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:51 (fifteen years ago)

Lapsed by being aforeign but would like to vote fore the new leader.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:53 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/IFny5.jpg

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)

The talks must have been really tough.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)

LECTERN IN DOWNING STREET

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)

lectern now outside no 10 - here comes the resignation...

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)

I guess I stay at work to make sure they don't form a government while I'm on the train home.

WATCH THE LECTERN.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)

http://imgur.com/TDXaX.gif A READING DESK WITH A SLANTED TOP http://imgur.com/TDXaX.gif

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)

http://imgur.com/TDXaX.gif SKY SOURCES SAY THE 'LECTURN' IS, IN FACT, A PODIUM http://imgur.com/TDXaX.gif

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:11 (fifteen years ago)

I just have to write something to get rid of the drudgesiren.gif

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)

How long can this commentator waffle before anything actually happens?

(ans: five days, obv)

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:14 (fifteen years ago)

I'm switching it up a bit to watch Jon Snow.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:15 (fifteen years ago)

Can't connect to Beeb stream, guessing it's overloaded. (Use a real radio or TV? What's that?)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:15 (fifteen years ago)

Well, I have nothing at all to watch this on at home so I can't leave.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)

It helps some if you waffle in an excited, breathy whisper, as if commenting on a 42 foot putt for the birdie and the win at the British Open.

Aimless, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)

Beeb's wheeled out D. Dimbelby.

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)

who is speaking over him

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)

i wonder how many people have their fingers ready to hit update on their wikipedia edit

show me your buccina (ken c), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)

Haha Ken.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)

going to cry

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)

I wonder how many of the reporters on the scene have overly full bladders and cannot leave the scene to empty them.

Aimless, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

Some serious eye rolling from Sarah there.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

goodbye gordon

conrad, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:21 (fifteen years ago)

awkward claps

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:21 (fifteen years ago)

How long till Lord Broon of Kirkaldy?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)

Didn't understand the wheeling out the kids bit.

Was that symbolic to show that they were moving out or something?

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)

i hope that little kid isn't going to see the queen in jeans?

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)

LOL, Dimbleby mentioning that he's following the same route as Charles I took to his execution

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)

Is the queen missing Eastenders or is the BBC covering all of these car moves so she doesn't?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)

It's spelled Kirkcaldy

treefell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)

I'm not sure I can take much more of these waffling breathy men.

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)

'She removes the stiffness he sometimes feels'

Ooh-err

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)

He's been on a roll since Rochdale. A gentle slope downhill though.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KIDS?!?!?!? THEY GOT IN THE DAMLIER, THEY DIDN'T GET OUT....

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:27 (fifteen years ago)

David's got one big in-box to deal with!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)

Snow and John Prescott attempting to waffle through....

"lets wallow in this constitutional moment"

sonofstan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)

x-post, in the boot!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)

prescott p.quality on channel 4

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)

1929Mr Brown has told friends he plans to resign as an MP and leave politics, sources have told the Press Association.

I'm sure there must be a big chair for him waiting at the Kennedy School.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)

So does this mean Harriet Harman is leading the Labour party now?

(I cannot stop thinking of her as the PM in Doctor Who)

3-D Whinge-ometer (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)

When Jon Snow kept going on about the an New Jerusalem of coalition politics I wanted some ambassador of sarcasm to point out how good that's working in proper Jerusalem.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)

the an? what? meant new era.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems just left the Cabinet Office, walking straight into a '9/11 truth' protestor.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:34 (fifteen years ago)

Has Lembit Opik got a new job already?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)

Hague giving a short speech to a crowd of people bellowing "TORY SCUM".

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)

Brown may have pulled a fast one on the Lib Dems by resigning now - nothing's agreed according to Hague.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)

I suggest starting spending cuts with the Olympics!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)

Hague giving a short speech to a crowd of people bellowing "TORY SCUM".

― Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:36 (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Warms the cockles of my heart.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)

No, they were being welcomed into government with beckoning calls of "TORIES, COME! TORIES, COME!"

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)

There was some Boo-urns in there as well.

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)

Oh Britain, what have you done?

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

really feel for you lot. it didn't seem like there were any really positive outcomes for this election and you're getting one of the worst ones.

goole, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

...and everyone ends up smelling of sulpher.

Aimless, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:48 (fifteen years ago)

+ : he's only 43
- : everything else about him

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:50 (fifteen years ago)

he'll look like a 60year old by next friday!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)

@robertflorence: That's "Tories Out!" started in the streets. About one minute into their run. It begins.

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=eastenders+brown

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)

Oh Britain, what have you done?

...good question, what have we done? BBC news isn't very forthcoming

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)

Cameron's going "Referndum? Did I say that? I don't remember that one son."

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:54 (fifteen years ago)

nick robinson positively engorged

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)

Dear Points of view, they're delaying Eastenders for this? Disgraceful!

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)

So it's done then? I have officially voted for Tory collaborators? Righto.

(Not that my vote did anything, and not that there was a chance in hell of Labour or whoever else getting in here)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:56 (fifteen years ago)

two toffs in power oh good

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:57 (fifteen years ago)

I say, will hunting be allowed again then? What ho!

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)

I also voted Liberal in the gen elect, hoping in some vague way that it would increase the chances of there being a better/fairer electoral system than the one we got. Instead, like starry, I get that bunch of shady motherfuckers getting propped in power. The worst possible outcome. Really fucking bummed out, FU liberal party.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CKP-00yaEg

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)

oh yeah xx post, start running foxes :(

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)

good luck, Englishes!

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)

Nice evening for it.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)

harrumph, you mean good luck United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Irelanders.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)

good luck, Englishes!

― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

Thank you. I think we're going to need it.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:11 (fifteen years ago)

LOL have been watching that Doctor Who today. NOW I KNOW WHY.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:13 (fifteen years ago)

BREAKING NEWS David Cameron to take over as the new Queen

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)

Brown's awkwardly timed departure and Ed Balls insisting that the Lib-Lab talks failed because the Libs made clear that they wanted to govern with the Tories all seems like a fairly colossal fuck off to Clegg.

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:15 (fifteen years ago)

At least Paul Daniels and Phil Collins will return to the UK now.

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:16 (fifteen years ago)

hi Pash! I'm rebecca low-fi, just for the sake of not tarring starry with my electoral indiscretions. Ho hum.

Still can't get the BBC stream working, but suspect I couldn't stomach watching it now.

Maybe I should give them a chance and it'll all be fabulous!
Maybe they've done this expressly to make everyone except Labour look really bad in six months!
Maybe I need another drink!"£*$"£

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:17 (fifteen years ago)

Brown's speech to his Labour boys is kind of killing it

Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:18 (fifteen years ago)

Ha! Damn, yes of course, Mr Memory stikes again. My apologies.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:18 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih4zwp-0GeQ

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)

Gordon's wife standing there like he's an American politician admitting to an affair :-(

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:20 (fifteen years ago)

"...news has reached us that the Queen has beheaded David Cameron with her ceremonial sword..."

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)

I say, will hunting be allowed again then? What ho!

― StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 18:58 (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

It'll be a free vote, so, probably not.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:24 (fifteen years ago)

Mandelson sticking a Global knife in the Libs.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

Haha, Mandleson! "yes yes, they clearly looked at themselves and decided they were more tory than progressive".

Doesn't miss a trick.

Zoe Espera, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

So is it a minority gov. or a coalition? They're being awfully vague about the details, imo.

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

"This is a very, very fragile state of affairs. I would be amazed if there wasn't another general election within a year," says Simon Jenkins, of the Guardian. He tells the BBC that David Cameron's legislative plans will be "horrifically curtailed" by the need to keep the Lib Dems on side, but even if the Tory leader does bend over backwards, he adds: "I just don't think the Liberal Democrats will stay with him for very long."

basically

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:27 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think they know, because they've been dropped in it and will have to maintain fixed grins etc. Nice work, Gordon.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:28 (fifteen years ago)

Nick Robinson couldn't be more chipper if he turned himself into chips.

Zoe Espera, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:28 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago)

1 person joining the Labour Party every 15 seconds say Labour Party.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:31 (fifteen years ago)

Simon Jenkins is wrong about everything else, to be fair

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:31 (fifteen years ago)

Wondering if the Queen's asking Cameron about Andy Coulson listening in to her grandkids' voicemails?

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)

The Queen looks really good in that photo.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)

Haha, Mandleson! "yes yes, they clearly looked at themselves and decided they were more tory than progressive".

Lol

sonofstan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)

Better get a job before there are none!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:35 (fifteen years ago)

just lip-read cameron, "don't touch me i'll have you killed, don't you know who i am?"

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:35 (fifteen years ago)

Does anyone think Gordon's put itching powder in the bed @ n° 10 when he left?

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:38 (fifteen years ago)

Wondering if the Queen's asking Cameron about Andy Coulson listening in to her grandkids' voicemails?

haaa
but srsly
fuck this shit

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:38 (fifteen years ago)

or a fish behind a radiator?

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:39 (fifteen years ago)

Ach, they've shown a digital photo of the moment power was handed over. Unprecedented, and I hope it's proof that he's just a tourist in his office.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:40 (fifteen years ago)

Sky: "The first time David Cameron met the Queen he was eight years old and was dressed as a rabbit in a school play."

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:40 (fifteen years ago)

the queen would do well on celebrity cash in the attic.

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:41 (fifteen years ago)

"you can hear the cheers"

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:42 (fifteen years ago)

^^^ a lie

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:42 (fifteen years ago)

Uh, those aren't cheers - I hear 'To-ry scum!'

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)

Adam Boulton calling the booing "cheers".

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)

Is that booing I can hear?

haha xp

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)

jesus she's posh!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:44 (fifteen years ago)

not quite may 1, 1997

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)

"It's about making sure people are contr - I mean, in control.."

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)

OK, that's enough news for the next five years. What else is on?

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)

Dave sounding dangerously socialist there.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)

wonder how the lib' voters a feeling?

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)

Fuk a Tory imo

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.....

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

fuck this country

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

was that like an evil laugh?

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

So if he wants to "try and help build a new society" why the fuck is he prime minister? Should have just done some volunteer work.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:48 (fifteen years ago)

Ungracious cunt could barely bring himself to thank GB for his service.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:48 (fifteen years ago)

TORY SCUM being yelled at Downing Street gates. Ah, nostalgia...

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:48 (fifteen years ago)

don't think that's quite fair, xp

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:49 (fifteen years ago)

TheBlueNation

Sky confirm that Osborne will remain become Chancellor

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/7971/bananahuge3rd119202oj.gif

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:49 (fifteen years ago)

Yuck.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:51 (fifteen years ago)

Dimbleby: President Obama is going to call Nick Clegg, er...
lol

p-dog, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:53 (fifteen years ago)

Heseltine is currently hailing a victory for One Nation Toryism, virtually making a wanker sign at Thatcher right now.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:53 (fifteen years ago)

So is he leading a coalition or a minority government? It's not decided yet, is it? That's why he was with the Queen for so long.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:53 (fifteen years ago)

Nah it always drags on a bit when you meet distant family members.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:54 (fifteen years ago)

Is it true that Obama called Cameron weak or something like that?

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)

'lightweight'

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)

He either called Cameron a "lightweight", or wanted to spend more time talking to him than Brown when he came to the UK, depending on whose briefing you listened to.

xp

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:56 (fifteen years ago)

All parties currently v desperate to own the word "progressive".

Zoe Espera, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:56 (fifteen years ago)

Heseltine is currently hailing a victory for One Nation Toryism, virtually making a wanker sign at Thatcher right now.

Wasted on the old bat, I would have thought by now

sonofstan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

"What a lightweight," apparently. Obama likes Brown and he had just been presented with a Fifty Quid Man CD selection by Cam, so you can see why.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

didn't rly need an american to discern that cameron is load of fucking nothing wrapped up in spite and presumption

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

Thatcher all pointing her stick at the TV when Clegg's on "Who is that man?" Nurse: "It's, umm... Keith Joseph. You remember him, don't you?"

xxp

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:58 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, but Obama got to meet him in person and was compelled to ask people who the fuck this idiot was.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:59 (fifteen years ago)

ERM, SINCE WHEN HAS BBC NEWS PLAYED OUT TO MUSICAL MONTAGE??????

Zoe Espera, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:59 (fifteen years ago)

since cameron told them to!

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:00 (fifteen years ago)

this is how they started the election broadcast five days ago

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:00 (fifteen years ago)

Also, Cameron grabbed Sam's tit just before they entered number 10.

Zoe Espera, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)

Or nearly did.

Zoe Espera, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)

News spreads quickly:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_02/080chelseaDM0505_468x375.jpg

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)

Ha tories took away your eastenders

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)

http://prhalloffame.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/lampard-heavens1.jpg

For Pat.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)

LOVE the flying camera shots of Downing Street on BBC, really brings out the fairytale Mary Poppins aspect of yr wonderful country.

God help you all by the way, hope the Tory administration is the short-lived disaster that is being predicted...

p-dog, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)

ftse to open up 15 points tomorrow

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:04 (fifteen years ago)

Lib Dems could still rug-pull overnight. caek, do you think they'll coalesce or not?

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:05 (fifteen years ago)

coalesce around coaliton? yeah. bunch of not terribly bright pragmatists.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:06 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, that's the end-of-election-programme music. xxp

i need to stop asking what am I owed. but what can i give?

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)

they'd be making their situation infinitely worse to back out now.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)

God help you all by the way, hope the Tory administration is the short-lived disaster that is being predicted...

We've got at least 4 yrs of this though, because of new fixed term parliaments. Here's hoping Labour can pull their shit together.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)

xxp You're owed change, but you're going to end up giving change.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)

How the hell would a fixed term parliament work if one part of the coalition walked away? Would you get 3 years of stalemate with all the legislaltion being vetoed?

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:09 (fifteen years ago)

my understanding is that they'd have to have an immediate general election to start the clock on fixed terms.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)

dunno. it works in germany fwiw (apart from that stuff in the 30s).

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)

If there's not an election in November, I'd be stunned.

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)

lol Labour.org.uk registration server collapsed

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)

How the hell would a fixed term parliament work if one part of the coalition walked away? Would you get 3 years of stalemate with all the legislaltion being vetoed?

― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:09 (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

welcome to America

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)

We've got at least 4 yrs of this though, because of new fixed term parliaments

Not if there's a no confidence motion (or a gov't defeat on a supply bill). It can't be CON+LD for four years, can it? CAN IT?

Sinking in now. Need a drink.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)

But would the fixed term defo be 4 years?

Zoe Espera, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)

You know what this means:

Full pomp state funeral for Thatcher when she carks it.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)

I read somewhere earlier that Tory HQ is extending the election staff's contracts until October 7th - make of that what you will.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)

Which may be after she's told about the coalition...

carson dial, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:14 (fifteen years ago)

We've got at least 4 yrs of this though, because of new fixed term parliaments.

How does this work? Surely they need to get through both houses first?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:14 (fifteen years ago)

It can't be CON+LD for four years, can it? CAN IT?

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:11 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Four months, morelike. Labourites need to stop getting so shook about this: we can have our leadership election while Cameron fucks around with his honeymoon period and get a new leader bounce as just around the time it ends. Labour will be level with the Cleggron pact in the polls by November at the latest.

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)

I'd prefer it if they just buried her at a crossroads. It's be far more appropriate...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)

Full pomp state funeral for Thatcher when she carks it.

There'd be riots surely. Especially as the Tories will be very unpopular (again), very soon.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)

Also can every single sanctimonious cockfarmer who claimed the LibDems were the real left-wing party PLEASE APOLOGISE NOW.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:16 (fifteen years ago)

LDs are married to this govt for as long as possible now; they can't risk another election in the next couple of years because they know it'll be a massacre. They have to hope they have something they can pick a fight on principle over in years 3/4. (Not going to be a shortage of them, tbh)

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:16 (fifteen years ago)

fuck a fixed term parliament ... fuck everything about this really

really the thatcher funeral is the least thing to worry about, are you guys kidding?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:16 (fifteen years ago)

The old hag was probably just hanging on until another Tory government was in for that purpose...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

Gonna be fun when they start talking about Europe...

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

lol Cable as "Deputy Chancellor"

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

Obama just called Cameron.

"So you called me a lightweight, eh?"

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

Also can every single sanctimonious cockfarmer who claimed the LibDems were the real left-wing party PLEASE APOLOGISE NOW.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:16 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

red face right here

fuck them forever

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

Here's the change people wanted, only trouble is it's what's left from their wages
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2133/2465929480_a3f349c9bb.jpg

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)

Obama: '...and?"

xpost Thatcher's funeral's going to be fun because at least she'll be dead.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)

i voted for them, but my guy lost so you can't blame me.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)

Your guy was Evan Harris?

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

I probably said something a bit like that about the Lib Dems being the real left at some point, but since I had a late change of heart and voted Labour I'll now be a sanctimonious cockfarmer about the lack of blood on my hands.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

wai 2 go, grauniad

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

yes, dr evan. i don't really like him, but he was better than the alternative.

but yeah, everybody be cool, both members of this coalition are fucked.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

Hague as Foreign Secretary, Osborne as Chancellor, Cable as Dep Sec as Treasury; Laws in Education.

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)

where?

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)

gove taking one for the team if true.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)

With a bit of luck the Lib Dems will keep the Tories' more psychopathic tendencies on a leash. I can pretty much see the Tories deciding to say "Fuck 'em!" after one too many negotiations with their partners in government not going their way and really screwing it up. After that we're in the land of no-confidence votes...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:21 (fifteen years ago)

rumour xp

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:21 (fifteen years ago)

Oooh the Guardian leader tomorrow is gonna be a belter.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:22 (fifteen years ago)

lol at the graun helping getting the tories into power. bet they're wishing they had just brought out a shedload of nosepegs again.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:23 (fifteen years ago)

At least Cameron has a new anecdote: "Last night I spoke to a 48 year-old black man on the telephone."

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:23 (fifteen years ago)

last night i spoke to a little old lady and her husband told me all about the immigration problem

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:24 (fifteen years ago)

fair play loading shit on the LDs, but im pretty sure that the guardian's decision to back labour would not have lead to a drastically different result

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:24 (fifteen years ago)

No, I think that made them the underdogs with everyone fed up with the media in this cycle.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)

I, for one, don't welcome our new Eton educated masters...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)

Ozzie confirmed as Chancellor.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

tbf, the LDs did say they were going to try this first if the tories got the most mps + votes. bit ott to complain that they've gone for a formal coalition rather than confidence + supply. didn't see many people on this thread who thought lib/lab was a good idea.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)

Ozzie confirmed as Chancellor.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:27 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i give this government 12 months.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)

Alex Salmond seems pretty stoked at the prospect of a LD Tory Government. He sees the glimmer of his own country and a financial crisis all of his own.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:31 (fifteen years ago)

Lib-Lab would have been a disaster, Caek OTM. Deep down, I still blame Blair and Brown for setting back the cause of UK social democracy back decades. I think we'll only realise quite how badly over the coming months once the Tories start cutting.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:31 (fifteen years ago)

9.23pm: Some of the cabinet appointments are starting to leak. According to Sky, Vincent Cable will be chief secretary to the Treasury, David Laws will be education secretary, Andrew Lansley will be health secretary and William Hague will be foreign secretary.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:32 (fifteen years ago)

Oh Stet said that awready

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:32 (fifteen years ago)

Lib-Lab would have been a disaster, Caek OTM.

the only "bright" side is that everything wd have been a disaster
that isn't helping me relish this disaster any more

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

The idea of Ahmadinejad trash talking with William Hague just gave me my first lol of the new Tory era.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:35 (fifteen years ago)

saint vince isn't going to be seen as a saint no more when he helps osbourne cut, cut, cut.

at least he'll keep ozzie partly in line.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:36 (fifteen years ago)

What's the attraction of fixed term parliaments? I understand an outer time limit, but surely in a system that requires the head of govmt to to also be leader of the majority (or majority coalition) there could arise many circumstances when it serves the better interests of democracy to call for a new parliament.

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:36 (fifteen years ago)

Cable is more enthusiastic about cutting than Osborne. Interesting to see what this does to Cameron's commitment to the NHS.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)

i think he's going to have his hands full getting george through his a level economics

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)

This David Laws bloke, wikipedia says:

After the coalition government that took place on the 11th May 2010 between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, David Laws was announced the new Minister for Women and Ethnic Minorities.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)

xxxp, it's an unfair advantage to the incumbent that encourages short termism.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:38 (fifteen years ago)

Ashdown as Defence Secretary!

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

Shadow Chancellor George Osborne offered Laws, who is generally seen, along with other Orange Book authors, as being on the right-wing of the Lib Dems, a seat in the Conservative Shadow Cabinet, but was rebuffed, with Laws saying "I am not a Tory."

You are now, son.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

Ashdown as Defence Secretary!

― James Mitchell, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:39 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whoa.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

Scrap trident Paddy!

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

Laws has this touching website dedicated to him

http://davidlawsmpyeovil.blogspot.com/

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

Cable is more enthusiastic about cutting than Osborne.

i don't think this is true: the LD manifesto delayed cuts like labour

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:40 (fifteen years ago)

ashdown hates the tories! He was one of the chief advocates for a progressive alliance. fucking weird.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)

That David Laws fansite is somewhat mental.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/drevanharris <---- good to see this doyen of the New Atheism mob finally revealed as a craven prick as I always expected.

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)

http://i41.tinypic.com/efhzsm.jpg

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)

At least with the Tories you get you feel good old uncomplicated rage rather than the feel of betrayal, impotence and despair you got with New Labour. #silverlining

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:43 (fifteen years ago)

I quite liked not having fixed terms, in a way. Someone sell me on not having them.

Couldn't any women or ethnic minorities be found? S'pose making the already token women/minorities ministers of just that is kind of patronising, but still. Well done on picking a white guy from a 97% white constituency? (xposts)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:43 (fifteen years ago)

xxxp, it's an unfair advantage to the incumbent that encourages short termism. As opposed to an 'unfair' advantage to the incumbent that enforces a set period of time regardless of the electoral health of the governing party or their opponents??? Plus, isn't the short-termism countered by electoral fatigue and conetempt if you call, like, three elections in 5 years?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:44 (fifteen years ago)

So fucking bummed out. The last thing I ever wanted to see was these hateful entitled pieces of shit back in control.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:45 (fifteen years ago)

The Ashdown appointment could mean that Liam Fox has been fucked over, so hooray for that.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)

At least with the Tories you get you feel good old uncomplicated rage rather than the feel of betrayal, impotence and despair you got with New Labour. #silverlining

― Matt DC, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah kind of realized this evening that in a shit indie way im better suited supporting the opposition. time to grow out of that now perhaps.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)

why do we need fixed term parliaments? things have worked great without them for decades. It's not like there's been any misuse of the PM's power (except Maggie after the Falklands).

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)

From Sky:

9.30pm: My colleague Nick Watt has got some information about the appointments to the new government. He's sent me this.

The Lib Dems will be given up to five cabinet posts by David Cameron as he delivers on his pledge last night to have a full and proper coalition government with the Lib Dems. In an echo of the German grand coalition, Nick Clegg is expected to be appointed deputy prime minister. Vince Cable, the party's deputy leader, is being lined up to serve as George Osborne's deputy as chief secretary to the Treasury.

It is understood that the Lib Dems, who have 11 MPs in Scotland, will be given the Scottish secretary portfolio. The other Lib Dems in line for Cabinet posts are: Chris Huhne, who ran Nick Clegg a close second in the leadership contest, David Laws, the education spokesman, and Danny Alexander, Clegg's chief of staff. It is also understood that the Lib Dems have been given an undertaking that they will have 'sleepers' at middle and junior ministerial rank in most other departments. Members of the Lib Dem frontbench being lined up for these jobs include Ed Davey, the foreign affairs spokesman, and Norman Lamb, the health spokesman.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)

why do we need fixed term parliaments? things have worked great without them for decades. It's not like there's been any misuse of the PM's power (except Maggie after the Falklands).

― nevermind312, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:46 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah she really struck while the iron was hot... ok over a year later

but they are a terrible idea yes

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)

ARGUMENTS AGAINST:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Our present flexible system has worked well for centuries.

Where you have fixed-term parliaments, everything grinds to a halt in the year leading up to the election date as governments tailor their policies accordingly.

The flexibility of the present system allows for a dissolution and new election if the Government has an inadequate majority. The value of this has been shown in 1951, 1964 and the second election in 1974.

The Royal Prerogative to dissolve parliament on the advice of the Prime Minister is an essential element in the British constitution.

There is no evidence that fixed-term elections in, for example, the USA make for better government.


http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/8940,news-comment,news-politics,pros-and-cons-of-fixed-term-parliaments

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:49 (fifteen years ago)

As opposed to an 'unfair' advantage to the incumbent that enforces a set period of time regardless of the electoral health of the governing party or their opponents

don't think the electoral health of any of the parties should be relevant in the election is called. i have time for the argument that the election could be timed very badly for the security/economic stability of the nation, but on balance it think the option to time your elections brings out the worst in governments.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:49 (fifteen years ago)

Nick Clegg is expected to be appointed deputy prime minister. Vince Cable, the party's deputy leader, is being lined up to serve as George Osborne's deputy as chief secretary to the Treasury.

Kind of sad for British comedy that Osbourne will have someone vaguely competent to hold his hand.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:50 (fifteen years ago)

Isn't this, in some ways one of the better outcomes for the future of Labour? 13 years of New Labour, Brown highly unpopular, alternance likely and now Brown has left, the Tories and the LDs have soiled themselves in the eyes of their respective bases and are now wedded to each other for what will surely amount to be a terribly unpopular stint in govmt and one that's not likely to last long of, if it does, will leave them even more unpoular than before.

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)

cameron also wants to make any PM that takes over from a previous PM (like Brown from Blair) chosen by the party, but not the electorate, go the polls in 6 months (which is a fucking stupid idea in itself) - surely that contradicts with fixed terms? (of course it would never happen practically - the whole point is it stops a party kicking out a hugely unpopular leader).

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)

M White - That's true. Fixed-term parliaments mean they can do a lot of damage in that time, mind.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)

Brown's awkwardly timed departure and Ed Balls insisting that the Lib-Lab talks failed because the Libs made clear that they wanted to govern with the Tories all seems like a fairly colossal fuck off to Clegg.

― Sammo Hung Parliament (MPx4A), Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yeah brown's timing was p damaging i think. lotta people in the tory party are going to feel bounced into this.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

cameron isn't in favour of fixed terms

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

William Hague will be foreign secretary.

And we shall never speak of him again.

http://twitter.com/drevanharris <---- good to see this doyen of the New Atheism mob finally revealed as a craven prick as I always expected.

That's your evidence based politics for yer. I expect Ben Goldacre's happy too now.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:57 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg meeting with LibDems, a matter of seconds ago

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)

fixed terms are really just maximums in practice, aren't they? Ludicrous to think you cld have a party remain in power after losing a no-confidence vote or with a serious minority.

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)

don't think the electoral health of any of the parties should be relevant in the election is called

What if a scandal rocks the governing party or PM? What if there's some political occurrence that seriously undermines the public's faith in the stated position/s of the government? Does this fixed parliament term mean that a PM couldn't resign mid-term? Does it mean his or her party (or some intra-house coalition) couldn't unseat the PM?

Also as tot he unfairness of incumbency - if you call an early election and make gains, how is that exactly unfair? You're asking the country for aplebescite on how you;ve done and asking for more leeway to carry out your future proposals. If they give it to you, you're vindicated. If they don't, oops. As an American who lives under a series of fixed terms that on't coincide and where we elect a President from one party quite often to counter the excesses of Congress, I rather like the parliamentary system sometimes.

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1267921/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-Nick-Clegg-Nazi-slur-Britain.html

# Under-fire Lib Dem leader tries to laugh off his Nazi slur on UK
# Churchill's family say his views are insult to war dead
# Donations were paid into Clegg's personal bank account

^ wonder what the Mail will make of Nazi Clegg tomorrow...

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)

Sky sources: Liam Fox confirmed as new Defence Secretary

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ Fox News trying to cover this and getting the grammar wrong: Cameron Accept's Queen's Invitation.

& then gets a thatcher writer to make the case for a tory government. typical.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)

Sky sources: Liam Fox confirmed as new Defence Secretary

We're all gonna die.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1267912/General-Election-2010-Liberal-Democrats-dirty-tricks-real-nasty-party.html

At the core of Nick Clegg’s message is the very powerful claim that his Liberal Democrats represent a new honesty and decency – in stark contrast to the corruption of the two main political parties. Yet this claim is cynical. The truth is that Clegg is the leader of a profoundly dishonest party that is prepared to lie, cheat and on occasion issue outrageous smears on its opponents in order to win power.

The LibDems are so determined to win votes that they even appear ready to take advantage of tragedies affecting opponents.

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

Liam Fox confirmed as new Defence Secretary

That's bollocks surely? Thought he had a lock on health.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1267658/General-Election-2010-How-Lib-Dems-release-60-000-convicts.html

So what's the reality in this oh-so politically-correct idealism?

The fact is, if the Lib Dems had their way almost 60,000 convicts who would otherwise be in jail would be walking the streets free.

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)

To be fair to Fox, I think they saw "Conservative" and thought it meant exactly the same thing over here as it does in the US... Aren't they going to be surprised when Cameron doesn't abolish the NHS and legalise gun ownership on his first day in office?

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/170690

NICK CLEGG'S CRAZY IMMIGRATION POLICY

etc etc - was thinking of a thread listing everything the Tories & Lib Dems have said about each other in the last year while pretending to be ideological opposites.

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)

Although I do suspect that a portion of the Tory Party would like to make a stab at doing both...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

lol@BBC - "civil servants, whose allegiance has just changed." Civil Servants have allegiance to the government and are explicitly forbidden allegiance to any party. Twats.

BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

Looking on the bright side.

ID cards gone, that'll save me a few quid.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)

lol@BBC - "civil servants, whose allegiance has just changed." Civil Servants have allegiance to the government and are explicitly forbidden allegiance to any party. Twats.

― BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

dude... get real

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:11 (fifteen years ago)

which one are you?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/11/article-1276808-0987979B000005DC-450_634x442.jpg

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)

you changed your tie
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/11/article-1276808-0987C193000005DC-648_634x374.jpg

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)

"civil servants, whose allegiance has just changed."

LOL Yeah, that's like saying that the BBC's allegiance has just changed too...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)

£6bn in cuts this year, Tories say

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)

bbc will become pro-conservative quick, to save their backs. They usually ally with the incumbent government.

and the queen looks damn good for her age.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

dude... get real

Well, as a civil servant...

(And yes, the BBC are civil servants as well)

BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

and they always go with the flow... they already have nick robinson in place

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)

As a civil servant... now...

Although I am in the same leaky boat :(

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

bbc will become pro-conservative quick, to save their backs.

Damn, from the coverage I thought they'd been this way all along.

emil.y, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

bbc will become pro-conservative quick

"become"

Venga, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

we're all heading for the dogs. time to get worried about the real things in life, like rooney's groin.

the tory/libdem sideshow will make the next few months bearable.

and what michael white said. good time and space for labour to regroup, without a huge stigma to get rid of a la tories in 97. just build a strong and stable opposition on the quiet while the europhobes come out to play.

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

and the queen looks damn good for her age

So would most people if they lived the life she has.

Venga, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)

A mate of mine might be in a position to punch George Osborne in the face in a week's time. I've been quoted a cool million fee for that, currently negotiating on the cost of an embarassing wedgie.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)

Can we get some sort of paypal account going?

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

im not saying yall were making campaign calls for labour but the mandarins, they form relationships, they manoeuvre, they plot, they see how the wind is blowing.

xposts

i also agree with michael white, or think it's best to think positively. i don't think a party of pro-european cranks, many of whose supporters are basically disaffected labour voters, allied with a highly anti-european party whom most LD voters hate, is going to last long.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)

we're all heading for the dogs. time to get worried about the real things in life, like rooney's groin.

Hoping it's fucked tbh - England doing well at the World Cup will massively overshadow the political shitstorm that should be brewing nicely.

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)

Anybody who thinks civil servants go with the flow hasn't met very many. Yes men thin on the ground until NuLab started trying to bribe us with peerages.

Looking forward to DCam looking sad when England don't get out of the group stages tbh.

BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:26 (fifteen years ago)

England win World Cup = Cameron wins snap election.

Yeah perspective, this is still hugely preferable to the comfortable Tory majority, maybe landslide, we were looking at a year ago. If I were a LibDem MP I would seriously be considering looking for another party, mind.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

I think a lot of them are, given the problems with the Labour registration server.

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

wonder if we'll get that trailed wills/whatshername wedding announcement now

Yes men thin on the ground until NuLab started trying to bribe us with peerages.

uh so well... ne way yes i have met my share ty

xpost

im 100% my LD MP is going to get his arse roasted. already written him once saying he would if he tried it. and it looks like he tried it.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe Scottish LibDem MPs will rebel en-masse as soon as England go out of the World Cup. That would be nice timing.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)

it's nice to hypothesise that england's world cup performance could rose-tint political events, but in reality we'll fall well short as usual, followed hopefully by the coalition in the autumn.

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)

We're in a sad state when the fate of 11 men kicking a ball around a field has a bearing on who runs the country...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

Tell that to Harold Wilson in 1970.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)

what's the latest on the status w/the deal? has it passed the triple lock? and are there any good crib sheets out there w/details of who is sitting where in the cabinet?

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg will officially be deputy PM - so he'll be taking PMQs in Cameron's absence for example.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

Scottish LibDems probably more comfortable with this than the English ones, frankly. LD vote in Scotland is the Tory vote you can tell your neighbours about.

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:36 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg will officially be deputy PM - so he'll be taking PMQs in Cameron's absence for example.

Should be a laugh with loads of Qs like "Do you still think your government's policy on X is unfair?"

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

is there ne thing official about electoral reform?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)

not a sniff

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg will officially be deputy PM - so he'll be taking PMQs in Cameron's absence for example.

"So, about those nutters in Europe, Nick?"

carson dial, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

nice

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/5/11/1273603273854/Gordon-and-Sarah-Brown-an-007.jpg

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)

as in nice pic, not nice thing

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg will officially be deputy PM - so he'll be taking PMQs in Cameron's absence for example.

― nevermind312, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:35 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

first misjudgement by the libdems or first tory strongarm tactic? deputy pm is a nothing job (isn't it a new labour hangover?)

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

oh damn, I forgot all about the election :(

hey it's (jel --), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

Clegg will officially be deputy PM - so he'll be taking PMQs in Cameron's absence for example.

Heh - is Cameron expecting some paternity leave this year?

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:50 (fifteen years ago)

CON-DEM NATION :(

Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:51 (fifteen years ago)

Liberal Democrat MPs 'heartbroken' over Conservative coalition

One leftwing member of the Lib Dems said...for now, I have been won over by the logic of the argument and the objective evidence."

That's Evan Harris again isn't it?

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:51 (fifteen years ago)

as in nice pic, not nice thing

― thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:42 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I thought you were meaning ass. Well, with that screen-name...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

Well the Lib Dems are well and truly buried.

Jarlrmai, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

haha. he's on newsnight now, not doing that well.

xposts

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

That's Evan Harris again isn't it?

― Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not a lib dem mp anymore.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

he wanna be (tummm tummm) David's girrrl....

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

I've kind of said this before, but I don't really get the expressions of outrage from Lib Dem voters at the Lib Dems forming a coalition with the Tories. What the fuck did you think was going to happen? They never had a hope in hell of winning an outright majority on their own, so you're either voting for them in the hope there's a hung parliament and they get to form a coalition with one of the two main parties and have some influence over government policy (and hopefully get some change to the electoral system) or you're voting for them in the hope that they remain in permanent principled opposition.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)

not a lib dem mp anymore.

It doesn't say he's an MP, just a member of the LDs.

Oh, and Guardian editorial:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/11/coalition-government-liberal-democrats-editorial

The presence of Liberal Democrats around the cabinet table and the possibility of direct Liberal Democrat ministerial authority in some policy areas is a cause for hope, not despair.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)

BBC saying fixed term is 5 years

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)

you're either voting for them in the hope there's a hung parliament and they get to form a coalition with one of the two main parties and have some influence over government policy (and hopefully get some change to the electoral system) or you're voting for them in the hope that they remain in permanent principled opposition.

Or you simply vote for them to keep the Tories out.

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)

they think of the LD as ideologically closer to new labour than to the tories

xpost

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)

fuck fixed terms

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:00 (fifteen years ago)

fuck fixed terms

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)

Or you simply vote for them to keep the Tories out.

Well, that's not a very effective strategy when they made it clear during the campaign that the would seek to form a coalition with the Tories. You might as well have voted Tory to keep the Tories out.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)

"I think we could be wiped out for a generation by this decision, so anyone who thinks that Nick is making it because of self-interest is entirely wrong. Labour will spend the next two years saying we are traitors, we will probably be annihilated at the next election. But we have to get involved."

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)

Every one of the Lib Dem negotiators gave an individual report back of their meeting with Harriet Harman, Lord Mandelson, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls and Lord Adonis, and they each reached the same conclusion: that the Labour team were uninterested, with no movement on ID cards, the third runway at Heathrow, or increasing the proportion of renewable energy from 15% to 40%.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/liberal-democrat-mps-coalition

fuck those guys

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:02 (fifteen years ago)

or increasing the proportion of renewable energy from 15% to 40%.

good luck getting that from the tories!

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

FIVE YEARS?! Ahhhhhh.

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

NB&S otm

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

they've aptly got a deal on energy they were "delighted with", hm

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe we were voting for local candidates to represent our local issues like MPs are supposed to do

or maybe we'd never voted Tory but couldn't really face voting for Labour after Iraq, PFI, student fees, ID cards

fixed at 5 years seems pretty long, stealth increase of term length by 6 months

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

I meant "wd never vote Tory" seeing as "had never voted Tory" is pretty much what we have now done

still, voting Labour in a Lib/Con marginal also a fairly ineffective way of keeping out the Tories

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

I'd forgotten about the third runway. So No ID cards, no third runway, any other reasons to be cheerful?

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

third runway will prob happen tbh

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

Ed Balls and Lord Adonis sounds like a bad US morning radio team.

a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/05/15/kyle_maclachlan_narrowweb__300x393,0.jpg

^ Ben Bradshaw looks like this guy imo

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

So Nick Clegg is "in bed with nutters, anti-semites, people who deny climate change and homophobes"

100+ recent retweets

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

It might not though! xp

http://egoscueportland.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/glass-half-full.jpg

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:09 (fifteen years ago)

five years is what governments use to stay desperately in power for as long as possible in a hope for a turn around (87-92; 92-97; 05-10). Clearly Lib/Con are hoping in 5 yrs they can make it through the cuts and take all the benefit for the "economic recovery".

nevermind312, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:09 (fifteen years ago)

conservatives support a new runway somewhere, just not LHR

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:10 (fifteen years ago)

budget in 50 days
inheritance tax rise scrapped

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)

uh wasn't it an inheritance tax cut?

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

Diane Abbott, Polly Toynbee and Ben Bradshaw were just beyond terrible on Newsnight...

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

this fixed term thing is really pissing me off

it can't be real tho

simply cannot believe this coalition will last five months

xpost

yep

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

threshold rise i mean, sry

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

finger on the pulse or whut?


Directgov
#ukelection David Cameron has been confirmed as prime minister and asked to form a new government http://bit.ly/new_UK_government
2 minutes ago via web

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

Repeal of the Digital Economy Act?

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

So, more naive questions: I've read through part of the LD manifesto. It does sound good to me, as a naive reader. My general impression is that they are to the left of Labour, quite environmentalist and social democrat-leaning, something like our NDP. The thing is, I can't see our NDP entering a coalition with our Tories under any circumstances. They could back up, and many times have backed up the Liberals, pushing the Liberals a little further left. On what issues would the two parties be united, on which a coalition could be based?

million xposts

Sundar, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

nah, it was in the washup so only the bits that Tories approved of got through anyway xp

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

Repeal of the hunting ban?

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

sundar -- yeah. basically this coalition makes no sense. a lot of people disagree about the LDs being leftish, and they've been proved right today. but on paper there were good reasons to think of the LDs this way.

xpost

really don;t give a fuck about fox hunting

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)

parliament spent more time on that than on detention w/o trial

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)

Hi to everyone reading this thread off the holocube of primary sources provided in 2100 for their Britisher history exams! We're just as confused about where fixed terms came from as you are. Hope you have enjoyed our comically tame early 21st century expressions of ire.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)

They are united in wanting to get in and not caring what they have to do or say to get in, apparently

the Tories liked most of the Digital Economy Bill iirc, the main people to speak against were Lib Dems and Labour rebels, and it didn't seem like any senior LDs will care enough to stamp their feet and make Tories repeal it

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)

Hahaha best post of the year.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)

sundar - see this diagram (posted before but lost in the huge thread)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01632/venn-diagram-big_1632966a.gif

Not a lot of common ground.

I wouldn't care too much about hunting except that I live in the heart of hunting country and it's all some people around here care about, and those people are fucking ghastly.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:22 (fifteen years ago)

Re: the 5 years fixed term.

My understanding was this - a parliament will last five years, unless the government falls on a 'confidence or supply' motion. What it prevents is a PM calling an election simply because it suits him/her, without being forced into it.

sonofstan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:23 (fifteen years ago)

wouldn't care too much about hunting except that I live in the heart of hunting country and it's all some people around here care about, and those people are fucking ghastly.

That's pretty much my take on it: I don't really care about hunting, but don't like people who like hunting.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:24 (fifteen years ago)

Newsnight Scotland person just spoke about the passing of John Smith, Donald Dewar, Gordon Brown, Robin Cook. Poor Gord.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:25 (fifteen years ago)

don't buy this LDs were fucked if they did fucked if they didn't line

they cd've said the lab deal was non-existent and said a con-LD coalition was untenable thus forcing a con min govt

jumping into bed w/the tories is just

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:25 (fifteen years ago)

I don't really care about hunting, but don't like people who like hunting.

this is ugly and stupid politics tbqh, and it can cut both ways; indeed, it probably will under the tories

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

line being pushed on newsnight currently xp

cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

im not a massive fan of fuckwit tottenham supporters on the night train but i wouldn't ban football

xpost

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

Do we seriously believe that the LDs have won this £10k tax argument? There's no way they're going to get that through, surely?

Oh FFS Newsnight now playing Don't Look Back In Anger as an outro...

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:28 (fifteen years ago)

And doing the Time Warp with footage.

sharia twain (suzy), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:29 (fifteen years ago)

they shd have played 'time warp'

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

im not a massive fan of fuckwit tottenham supporters on the night train but i wouldn't ban football

I never said I would ban hunting, either. Like I said, I don't care about it, I just have a dislike of the kind of people who are pro-hunting.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:32 (fifteen years ago)

well that's fair enough

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)

Yep, £10k tax deal through (in stages) with Cap Gains rises on non-business items to pay for it

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

they cd've said the lab deal was non-existent and said a con-LD coalition was untenable thus forcing a con min govt

Correct me if I'm wrong but the attachement to electoral reform is both a sop to their base and not so much the fruit of extensive thought on how best to govern Britain but how best to give the LD more power in political life and, seeing how they flubbed on any reforms last time, in '74, this is proof that they're willing to be ruthless enough not to forever be a party of nice, well-thinking idealists who never get the girl.

Otoh, a minority Con governement would have lasted how long? I guess Brown's departure, taking the talisman albatross off of Labour's neck, and all the nice little treats the LD got from DC was good enough to encourage Clegg to go for it.

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

I just have a dislike of the kind of people who are pro-hunting.

Aren't these all 'country people'?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:36 (fifteen years ago)

they cd've said the lab deal was non-existent and said a con-LD coalition was untenable thus forcing a con min govt

not buying this as a better option yet - may not for as long as the coalition lasts or a couple of years whichever is soonest (the former yes maybe). much still depends on reform prospect.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

no they're 'tories'

conrad, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

Tomorrow's Daily Mail:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/11/article-1277599-098826E5000005DC-274_964x358.jpg

piscesx, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

Dun dun DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Meowsy McDermott, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

no upper case. fucking bottlers.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

Did Iain Dale say that the AV offer is a free vote for a referendum, rather than whipped?

carson dial, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:08 (fifteen years ago)

the lib dem mps have apparently okayed the deal

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:21 (fifteen years ago)

red face right here

fuck them forever

― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:17 (Yesterday)

coalition to me (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

LDs making a statement in couple minutes

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

@williamnhutton This is David Cameron's Clause 4 moment. The Tories no longer the nasty party - but party of the country. Brilliant, brilliant stroke

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong but the attachement to electoral reform is both a sop to their base and not so much the fruit of extensive thought on how best to govern Britain but how best to give the LD more power in political life and, seeing how they flubbed on any reforms last time, in '74, this is proof that they're willing to be ruthless enough not to forever be a party of nice, well-thinking idealists who never get the girl.

[...]

― Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

bang on

welp. clegg just gave his statement. heard nothing concrete on the electoral reform that was meant to be the dealbreaker. actually heard almost nothing concrete at all.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:40 (fifteen years ago)

perhaps Clegg bumped his head pretty bad on the doorway going into the meeting and now has no memory of 'this reform lark'. ooooh let's hope not.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:44 (fifteen years ago)

The Guardian liveblog seems to have got a list of compromises - including a three-line whip for the AV referendum and this on fixed parliaments:

"Legislation will mean such agreements can only be broken by an enhanced majority of the House of Commons."

carson dial, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:46 (fifteen years ago)

the fixed term thing is about the most sensible thing it seems the sLDs have secured

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:48 (fifteen years ago)

The 'enhanced majority' part is worrying, though. Will it mean a single vote of no confidence is no longer enough to eject a Government? Isn't that a bigger change to the system than AV?

carson dial, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)

hopefully all of these things are reversible

seems totally at odds with the constitution to set up this kind of straightjacket, but the LDs are the kind of feebs who want a written constitution so...

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:51 (fifteen years ago)

What is a three-line whip??

Philippe Sands said on Newsnight that one big danger to the LDs is that a bill to launch AV gets put to ministers, but then Tories brief and vote against it, Labour briefs and votes against it, and the LDs are the only ones left to support it, so it dies!

If the Tories are not actually bound (whipped) (ooh) to vote for AV then what have the LDs actually gained in this respect from their negotiations???

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:54 (fifteen years ago)

three-line whip just means "vote this way or else"

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:55 (fifteen years ago)

depends on the party, but three lines = we are not fucking around, expulsion a possibility.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:57 (fifteen years ago)

wtf can "enhanced majority" mean? What sort of a government cld continue to exist anyway if it couldn't get anything passed? This whole bit is weird to me

stet, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

"Legislation will mean such agreements can only be broken by an enhanced majority of the House of Commons."

I think this means they are trying to insert clauses that mean that these changes can only be undone by, e.g. 2/3 majorities, which sounds like a terrible idea to me. Nothing to do with votes of confidence tho.

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

"these changes" = AV and fixed terms

caek, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

are ppl still thinking this will dissolve within a year?

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)

yeah i imagine it's like a congressional supermajority ish

fucking loathesome rly

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:00 (fifteen years ago)

xp yes. everyone involved seems to be in a pretty good mood tonight, but it won't last.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:00 (fifteen years ago)

i mean i can kind of see why you could make a case that changes like this, which are meant to take the "politics" out of the way the voting system works, should be particularly difficult to undo. but it seems like a really bad idea to try this on given even their own supporters hate them at the moment tho.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)

are ppl still thinking this will dissolve within a year?

― nakhchivan, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:59 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

they must be. i am. i simply can't see the membership of either party swallowing this. there will already be tory backbenchers tearing out their hair over it.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

lots of tories already pissed off to fuck about the number of appts LibDems are getting.

stet, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:08 (fifteen years ago)

A Three Line Whip is a strict instruction to attend and vote in a particular way, breach of which could have serious consequences; binding for both attendance and voting. Non-attendance permission can be given by the whip, but a serious reason is needed. Breach of a three-line whip can lead to expulsion from the parliamentary political group in extreme circumstances, and may lead to expulsion from the party. Consequently, three-line whips are generally only issued on key issues, such as votes of confidence and supply. The nature of three line whips and the potential punishments for revolt varies dramatically among parties and legislatures. (The phrase a 'three lined whip' has been adopted into the workplace with employers often putting a 'three lined whip' on meetings.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)

how could the libdems extricate themselves....even if they somehow dissolved the coalition they wd get fucked in any election, or they'd could allow a tory minority govt i suppose? their 'credibility' wd be destroyed either way

tory civil war wd be likelier cause of downfall maybe

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:11 (fifteen years ago)

In British politics, the Chief Whip of the governing party in the House of Commons is usually appointed as Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury so that the incumbent, who represents the whips in general, has a seat and a voice in the Cabinet. By virtue of holding the office of Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury, the Government Chief Whip has an official residence at 12 Downing Street.

^^^ isn't this the job vince cable is supposed to have got? he doesn't seem like the type.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:11 (fifteen years ago)

a fixed term arrangement would just about make sense under FPTP. but in a coalition govt -- a situation made almost inevitable by the kinds of reforms the LDs want -- it can't work.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:13 (fifteen years ago)

they have it in germany

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:15 (fifteen years ago)

Germany, New South Wales, and the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) have semi-fixed terms in that dissolution at any time in mid-term is allowed only to resolve a serious deadlock. In Germany, in 1982-83 and again in 1998, the incumbent Chancellor manipulated this provision by arranging for MPs from his own side to support a no-confidence motion, so he could obtain an early election. The German Constitutional Court allowed this manoeuvre but warned that it might block a future dissolution of the Bundestag that went against the spirit of the German constitution.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:15 (fifteen years ago)

lol

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:16 (fifteen years ago)

cable apparently responsible for banking and... something

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:17 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/03/160-reform-election-fixed

Fixed terms work well in presidential systems such as France and the US, where the president's position is not dependent on the support of the legislature.

But in Britain, where the executive and the legislature are merged, the prime minister (as in the case of Jim Callaghan and John Major) struggles to govern without a parliamentary majority.

Callaghan was forced to hold an election after his government lost a vote of no confidence in 1979. There would be nothing to prevent such votes taking place under a fixed-term system, meaning that elections could be held more frequently than every four or five years.

Indeed, in Germany, chancellors such as Helmut Kohl have used "constructive votes of no confidence" to trigger an election at the most convenient moment for the government.

Thus, the only way to ensure genuine fixed-term parliaments is to fully separate the executive from the legislature. As a republican, I'm all in favour of this, but I fear it's still just a little too bold for this government.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:18 (fifteen years ago)

the whole thing looks deranged but the cameron junta may come to tolerate the libdems as a sort of well-mannered parasite

by what processes could the tory rank-and-file bring about its end?

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:19 (fifteen years ago)

cable business and banking

conrad, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:20 (fifteen years ago)

oh shit they're already crushing dissent

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/11/david-cameron-poster-police

joe, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:21 (fifteen years ago)

they have it in germany

this isn't a great recommendation to me, and no-one has come up with an argument *for* it, that says why our present flexible system isn't workable.

the staggers guy is just one of jason cowley's mates; no-one writing for that magazine has a clue about anything.

Thus, the only way to ensure genuine fixed-term parliaments is to fully separate the executive from the legislature.

uh, kinda need to go back and explain why a fixed-term parliament is s0 worth having that the entire constitution needs to be overhauled.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:22 (fifteen years ago)

"they have it in germany" was a response to "it can't work", not me saying its a good idea.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:29 (fifteen years ago)

wonder if ken clarke is still in or around the cabinet, if cable is business and banking

...

don't feel good about this whole thing, sinking in now

the idea of a five-year tory reich...

seeing the coalition tear itself to bits will be some consolation

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:39 (fifteen years ago)

ken clarke was being talked about for chancellor, but i guess not

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 00:40 (fifteen years ago)

Rejoined Labour and feeling rather good about it.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)

don't mention the class war

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:33 (fifteen years ago)

seeing the coalition tear itself to bits will be some consolation

i keep catching myself trying to feel some comfort in smugly thinking, HA, i can't wait until [the party i voted for] finds out they [aren't getting shit] and the country falls apart. see how [i'll] like it the.n

Earning your Masters in Library and Information Science is beautiful (schlump), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:39 (fifteen years ago)

Osbourne at Treasury most depressing thing of all right now.

stet, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

xpost

I feel the same except the first brackets = THE LIB DEMS and the third brackets = MIDDLE CLASS CONCERN TROLLS

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

There will not be another election until May 2015 unless a vote of no confidence in the Government is passed by an 'enhanced majority' of Parliament. It is not yet clear what the enhanced majority would be but it could be two-thirds or three quarters of MPs.

So a government now couldn't be brought down unless its own MPs voted against itself? That's never going to happen. V. sinister and worrying.

nevermind312, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:53 (fifteen years ago)

yep. how the hell is this liberal? the five-year term is strictly for desperados hoping for one last upturn before it all falls apart: major in '97, brown in '10. making it permanent sucks.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:59 (fifteen years ago)

That sounds completely fucked but if the LDs rebel (and I'm not holding my breath) then the gov wouldn't have a majority and wouldn't be able to pass anything anyway, so what would be the point of dragging that on? I suppose this is all under the guise of "stable" government?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 07:01 (fifteen years ago)

They're talking 55%. 360 votes required to eject a Government. That's not going to get past the Lords, surely?

carson dial, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 07:01 (fifteen years ago)

Unless the cons are thinking of killing of opposition MPs until they have a working majority...nah, that would never fly with the LDs surely?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 07:02 (fifteen years ago)

yep. how the hell is this liberal?

I think you're getting confused. This is a Conservative government. I heard them say it on Sky this morning.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 07:03 (fifteen years ago)

A safe minority of 290 or above!

carson dial, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 07:19 (fifteen years ago)

http://mydavidcameron.com/images/clegg1a.jpg

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 07:30 (fifteen years ago)

Needs a mashup with "because I am a cunt"

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:22 (fifteen years ago)

time for change?

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=40

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:23 (fifteen years ago)

dur

DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: ROLLING UK POLITICS IN THE SHORT-LIVED CLEGGERON ERA

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:23 (fifteen years ago)

Looking forward to Lib Dems getting 0 votes in Thirsk and Malton so I can laugh. Though given that Tories outpoll everyone else put together there, s'pose nothing very funny is going to happen.

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:32 (fifteen years ago)

General concensus on GBrown's final speech seems to be "Blimey, his boys are cute.. If he'd brought them out earlier, he'd have won the election no problem..."

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:58 (fifteen years ago)

OTOH politicians using their kids as pandering tools = BAD and fullest marks to the Browns for not doing this.

sharia twain (suzy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:05 (fifteen years ago)

Oh for sure.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:22 (fifteen years ago)

General concensus on GBrown's final speech seems to be "Blimey, his boys are cute.. If he'd brought them out earlier, he'd have won the election no problem..."

And been absolutely hammered by the Tory press for cynically using his children for political purposes. He literally couldn't win.

Venga, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:29 (fifteen years ago)

DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: ROLLING UK POLITICS IN THE SHORT-LIVED CLEGGERON ERA

this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:32 (fifteen years ago)

Still, hell of an exit, dude.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:32 (fifteen years ago)

Think we should use the other thread from now on, this one's huge.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:42 (fifteen years ago)

PS, Tories out.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:42 (fifteen years ago)


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