Work of Art on BRAVO

there's a show coming to bravo called top art

http://www.bravotv.com/work-of-art/season-1/bios

what is art

Love this show.

Is this available on Hulu or anywhere else? I looked through the portfolios on the site. A lot of the work is strong, but predictably there's nothing that really suggests next-big-thing. I like John Parot, Ryan Schultz, Abdi Farah and Nicole Nadeau. Nadeau is probably the least cliched.

it's actually called Work of Art, could someone change the thread title to "Work of Art on Bravo" or something?

I'm liking this show. At first I tuned in because I thought it was gonna be lol ridiculous (like pointing at someone and saying - "you! make art! starting ... now!") but it's actually pretty good. Abdi's painting of Ryan from week 1 was great. Miles seems talented / weird / interesting but the judges are already way too up his ass, his thing he made for week 2 wasn't THAT good (he should have been docked some points for barely using anything from the scrap heap, for one thing).

here's the pieces from episode 1
http://www.bravotv.com/work-of-art/photos/episode-1-self-reflexive

episode 2
http://www.bravotv.com/work-of-art/photos/episode-2-rate-the-work

I thought they should've sent home the gal who painted a few flowers on a vacuum.

or the older woman (Judith?). she was lucky to skate through in week 1 with the purple Proud Pussy banner (wtf) and her thing this week wasn't so good either. Trong's white-TV thing was pretty corny, though.

Miles is talented, but he's an asshole (obviously), probably playing it all up for entertainment value. His intrusion regarding Trong's sculpture was bullshit. There is so much wrong about this show. Art critic from New York saying "what does this say about you?", like all art is about personal expression? I'm not saying it was brilliant or anything, but funny art-world insider joke conceptual art whatever is fine, it doesn't have to give you insight into his inner being. Critique it for being boring or not saying anything or having any impact, but to specifically say that is should say something about the artist?

They loved Abdi, who I think I like, but that sculpture was pretty cliche. And they hated Jamie (I think her name is?) the 80s girl who didn't do a "sculpture", they said it wasn't art, just stuff there. Well it was more an installation then sculpture if you want to get all anal about it, but it was one of my favorite pieces. Totaly 80s suburban housewife new wave kitsch semiotics of the kitchen kind of thing going on.

(like pointing at someone and saying - "you! make art! starting ... now!")

same reason i haven't givin it a try yet. maybe now i'll check it out

Miles is talented, but he's an asshole (obviously), probably playing it all up for entertainment value. His intrusion regarding Trong's sculpture was bullshit.

totally agree. at least he's a more entertaining asshole than Nao in week 1, thankfully it seems like she chilled out a little

that sculpture was pretty cliche

also otm, I couldn't believe the judges thought that sculpture said something interesting about "video gaming culture."

xpost - they've been pretty forgiving on the time frames to do the first two challenges so it doesn't seem as crazy as Project Runway. this latest one they had 12 hours, then the whole next day, then 3 more hours

More than anything I just think the show is entertaining. Having people make a piece of art in less than two days isn't reasonable. But it's fun to watch artists make stuff in the same way it's fun to watch fashion designers make stuff. They're talented, creative, and a little insane.

yeah it's a little like those writing workshop "exercises" - use x word in a poem, write a story in class starting with this line, etc. Good work almost never comes out of those.

Nao was/is a total bitch, but I hate to say that I totally agree with a lot of the bitchy comments she made, "I'm not responsible for your response to my work" or whatever. I thought her "portrait" of Miles was pretty cool and even if it's so conceptual that you wouldn't recognize it as a portrait without knowing that background necessarily, well that's a good deal of art.

top art vs. top ramen

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cant believe the judges thought that tv head sculpture thing was smart

(love this show)

liking this show a lot, but like Top Chef there is only a small amount of outstanding artists and some peoples' art has been really variable in quality - but that makes somewhat sense with people working in different mediums

it is surprising how people can totally miss the point of the projects. a book cover should look like a book cover. know what the book is about. a 3-D art project should be more 3-D then 2-D

sort of surprised that Ryan's 'Dr. Jekyll' didn't make it to the top 3 and they only had a top 2

hated that Dracula cover that the judges loved. so boring. "it's commercial" -- well yeah, it looked like a well done totally normal book cover. could have slapped that on one of the Twilight books or any vampire anything. "ooh, the blood drip is forming part of the D." did not get the love

the winner's was good though. Miles' was good. fucking lol at him spending four hours to read the book when they only had what, six hours to do the project? he must think he's running laps around everyone.

Enjoyed the one guy cracking on OCD kid's performance art.

That was total bullshit.

Andres Serrano! <3

This was the first ep I've seen, I kind of enjoy watching them work, makes me wanna paint again.

Seemed like lots of people conflate gross/shocking. ..that dude wacking off onto his picture was pretty wtf.

The performance artist annoyed the shit out of me...like a cliche of the worst kind of artistic process..."I don't know what it is"="organic"...ugh.

Liked the winner, liked that he dug deep and kept it simple, serious...something small that makes a big statement.

watched three episodes of this thing at my gf's house this past weekend. loved it, agree with so, so many of the comments above:

1) miles is a dick dick dick dick dick dick dick
2) abdi's week 1 painting was BRILLIANT, but his sculptures are boring (very well executed tho)
3) nao's portrait of miles was awesome in concept (but kinda half-assed)
4) no way should trong have gone home! WWTFD was kinda meh, but funny and offhand cute enough to justify it
5) judith's sci-fi city was really pretty cool
6) so was jamie lynn's vacuum sculpture installation
7) that motherfucking dracula book cover was the worst kind of ass ever

could not BELIEVE what the judges singled out for condemnation in week 2! ryan's "serpentine" pile of drizzled bullshit should have gone home. same with mark's sad television shrine and erik's zombie corpse. no excuse for that, SO much less interesting & personal that what they chose to beat up on. actually, the fact that erik has survived this long is astounding to me. mark's at least a talented commercial photographer/photo manipulator.

from what they showed briefly, mark is pretty good at metal monster doodle art, but he's not bringing any of that to his work on the show. send him home. and jaclyn, too. she's awful and moronic and her pride and prejudice cover was one of the worst things i've ever seen. far worse than poor old judith, who's nuts, but at least has some guts and vision.

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oops, meant that erik can apparently draw the monster stuff. not that it matters.

GREAT show.

actually, the fact that erik has survived this long is astounding to me.

can't believe he made it through last night's too. "motley Crue album cover" was otm. just terrible.

and jaclyn, too. she's awful and moronic and her pride and prejudice cover was one of the worst things i've ever seen.

can't stand her. I was feeling hopeful when she was like "if I end up on the chopping block I might have to question where I'm going with my art." and I thought, "yes! yes, you should question it if your go-to mode is to have your tits out in every piece and your self-portrait is a Paris Hilton crotch shot." then they put her in the top two for something that was all Erik's idea but that she decided to deny him ANY credit for. which was like, why?

I don't think Nao would have been sent home if she had talked a better game instead of essentially saying "I made it up as I went along, don't know what it means." (Although it's a little unfair, IRL most artists I think would tell you to fuck off if you came at them all the time with "but what does it meeeaaaaannnnn.") Serrano actually seemed to like her piece. I thought Erik and Jamie-Lynn's stuff was worse than the ones that got people sent home. But no one really did well. It was a pretty lame challenge. Really was just designed to make "sensational" TV, it seemed almost impossible to make something good out of it.

such bullshit! So according to these judges all art has to tell a specific story and express specific political viewpoints and communicate them clearly.

some good reading here:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/06/jerry_saltzs_work_of_art_recap_1.html

even though he annoys me probably the most of the judges. And in the comments section the naked artist defends herself, buried deep in the comments:

Regarding Erik: He would have never even said that idea had he not overheard the conversation taking place between me, Nicole and Peregrine, in which I was literally asking them for their opinion on how I should allow people to write on the piece, AN IDEA I ALREADY CAME UP WITH!!!!! The only thing I had not decided was how the pens would be displayed. He suggested I should stick them in a jar. I was UTTERLY SHOCKED when he tried to take credit for my piece, and it was clear that he was just bitter that I was in the top and he was in the bottom. The producers jumped on this because they love drama. Even the fact that China Chow confronted me about it in the critique was bizarre. We all helped each other, offered suggestions, and bounced ideas back and forth... that's what artists do!!!

And saltz makes the point that the other judge made. It doesn't matter where the idea came from, but the fact that it was done at all.

It's also mentioned that Serrano told Nao he tried to save her. It's bullshit to ask her to explain it.

Anyway, Erik is terrible and he should've listened, when two of the other contestants, don't even remember which but who at least have been to art school probably, were like "don't put text on it"!

He would have never even said that idea had he not overheard the conversation taking place between me, Nicole and Peregrine, in which I was literally asking them for their opinion on how I should allow people to write on the piece

haha. well that's interesting. guess she got screwed by the editing, it def. didn't look that way in the show. I agree it doesn't matter where the idea came from

yeah, it was definitely edited to make it seem like Erik came up with that idea.

Shocking episode was the worst Ugh

unconvinced that passersby were staring at girl w/ big boobs rather than the $125k Audi supercar she was standing next to.

totally. or maybe staring at the 20-man film crew inside the dealership.

lol at the judges for saying she exhibited growth as her art moved from "my tits" to "people looking at my tits". exploring the burden of being hott in America.

second really lame challenge in a row. drive an Audi and then build off that "inspiration." bleagh.

How did painting a picture of his girlfriend fit in with this challenge? They didn't even really show it.

amazing that he wasn't in the bottom.

But Jamie, and I know I've defended her before, but that piece was really not so good!

Peregrine's piece was corny too. SAudi! AudiO! Innie and Audi! Haven't liked anything of hers yet.

When she was putting that together I thought she'd be bottom 3 for sure.

Nicole is cuet and looks like an actress I can't place.

She and the nerdy OCD kid would have the worst sex ever.

phrases I never ever needed to hear while watching reality TV with my parents: "guy trying to suck himself off," "buttholes and titties," "cum"

Shocking episode was the worst Ugh

― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Thursday, July 8, 2010 11:42 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is there some reason this does not seem to be scheduled 2 b rerun at all?

http://realitytvfan.org/2010/07/09/work-of-art-episode-5/

Love this show.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:36 AM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

co-sign. when miles stepped to trong it was hilare; OK trong's TV sculpture was very played but dude show some class

well if Eric didn't shoot himself in the foot (too bad though - I liked having him around for conflict and because he doesn't know when to shut it, but that led to his downfall)

both pieces gave art a bad name in my opinion. one was too simplistic. the pebble pieces would be kicked around. I like geometric art but they must not of had enough time to make a shape with more sides

the other looked nice on paper and it when it was partially done it, but became a hodgepodge when the shingles and metal patchwork were added. it didn't look super comfortable either

thought it was bullshit that the two big issues they had with the losing piece were Miles' fault, but Eric went home

OTOH, Eric's "let's put some, like, dragon scales on the back maaaaaan" ideas weren't that great.

team challenges in all these shows are terrible

yea if eric was just not an ass he coulda stayed a little longer

I would feel bad about Erik going home if he had, I dunno, made even one thing that I liked at all.

I'm sure it was all editing, but the reaction of the other three to him was ridiculous and made his "art-school pussy" line look justified. Teammate arguing with you is not an excuse to act like he pulled a knife and held it to your throat.

Saw Miles tonight at an event in Minneapolis. He managed to refrain from napping during it.

Miles makes me think this show should have been called "Piece of Work".

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/07/jerry_saltzs_work_of_art_recap_3.html - wish I'd known about Jerry Saltz's weekly recap before.

this big wooden public installation makes me want to run away screaming

I dunno I thought their big question mark with a ladder was better than the fake rock with a buncha tiny rocks around it

Didn't know there was a thread on this!

Miles' and Peregrines ZOMG reaction to the Ground Zero revelation was like, get a life you two. For the pure social dynamics, I kind of felt bad for Erik because it definitely looked like the other three were ganging up on him and marginalizing him. Still doesn't excuse him for calling Jaclyn dumb in front of the judges (even if it's true -- though you have to be careful taking cues from the way reality tv depicts women). Also, his work was terrible.

The judges are all severely punchable, all of them.

i loved the fake rock

"The judges are all severely punchable, all of them."
qft
there's like three reasonable artists in this pile from a purely technical stand: smiley beanpole sculptor guy, photo tubby and miles.
the remaining rest have no business being here.

I have a dream that this show will end with Miles winning and then Nao walks back on and announces that Miles was her project and it's been a put-on that the two of them planned from the start.

No way does Photo Tubby deserve to be there. His mass market paperback and Design 101 grid were terrible. Also, his Flickr is kind of embarrassing.

I suspect the final might be Miles vs. Nicole, if none of the other contestants murder Miles in his sleep.

miles is too pretty i just wanna push him off a bridge

i LIKE miles.
it was that bullshit angry guy with the brain damage who really irked me. and the 'take naked photos of myself all time' gal. wish i had cable so i could continue watching, but i got almost caught up when in tennessee--ON DEMAND.

photo tubby has remedial photoshop skills, which is sadly ahead of everyone else on there.
Thanks for the suggestion on the Saltz recaps; he's pointless on the show, but then he's a writer so it's not his deal. Useful backstage info!

"Viewers didn’t see it, but after Erik was told good-bye, China asked if there was anything he’d like to say to the judges. He looked up, scowled, shook his head as if we were vermin, and stalked off. It was a little scary."
Honestly, this guy won my heart with the artschool pussy rant.

Basically everyone on this show (maybe minus nao; i really was hoping she'd do something truly transgressive once she got deep in the game) deserves the worst because they're on a fucking sarah jessica parker bravo reality show about being "the next great artist".

lol

photo tubby has remedial photoshop skills

Yes! His Dracula cover was terrible!

Agreed that the Dracula cover wasn't very good, but christ, his competition that episode was dreadful. You'd think half of them had never seen a book cover before.

That episode was pretty amazing in the bottom feeding: Tits McGee doing her "Austin" cover as a Harlequin novel, Photo Tubby doing BLOOD DRIPPING FROM THE TOP OF THE COVER OH SO ORIGINAL for Dracula, construction paper shapes somehow equalling The Time Machine, Douchey McCool does self portrait number six and the classic
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In the film version of this show, the part of Jerry Saltz will be played by Bob Balaban.

Also, come on, Abdi is so making it to the finale vs. Miles and TBD.

Basically everyone on this show (maybe minus nao; i really was hoping she'd do something truly transgressive once she got deep in the game) deserves the worst because they're on a fucking sarah jessica parker bravo reality show about being "the next great artist".

Actually I think there are interesting institutional/systemic questions that have to do with the quality of reality casts, because you rarely, if ever, get a cast that's even close to being on equal footing. (You probably have to leave the US before we get something close to talent parity, e.g. Australia.)

I thought the Time Machine cover wasn't bad, really.

Work of Remedial Photoshop Skills

I thought the Time Machine cover wasn't bad, really.

― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z)

I thought it was appealing! all the other book covers were lame as hell.

i LIKE miles.
it was that bullshit angry guy with the brain damage who really irked me. and the 'take naked photos of myself all time' gal. wish i had cable so i could continue watching, but i got almost caught up when in tennessee--ON DEMAND.

― not everything is a campfire (ian)

aw. <3. it was fun watching this with you, ian.

i actually really like miles, too. he always looks like he is about to cry but i think he is just very sleepy.

I LOLed big time @ Erik's crack about Miles building another homeless shelter.

i feel like art schools nowadays are prob FILLED w/ miles' but yeah, i like him

despite liking miles, it was great when erik said "I don’t need a stuck-up art pussy to teach me life lessons"

i LIKE miles.
it was that bullshit angry guy with the brain damage who really irked me. and the 'take naked photos of myself all time' gal.

same here. erik was wack. I think they just made that sculpture lose to give him the boot.

it would have been lol if he'd gotten the boot in week 1 for saying "I'm not a trained artist" right after saltz warned him not to

the boot the boot the boot

this show is kind of losing its appeal for me, tbh

I have been watching it on ON DEMAND. When does a new episode come on?

it's on wednesdays. I do like this more than top chef, but that's not exactly high praise.

Miles has about 10x more talent in his little finger than angry guy did, could it be any more obv that he was lashing out because deep inside he kinda knows he sucks?

Also "art school pussy" might be a more serviceable put down on a show that is NOT ABOUT ARTISTS

Precisely, that's why it was so boneheadedly winning! Again, for me, the best ending to this show is that everyone concerned is hit by a comet.

Precisely, that's why it was so boneheadedly winning!

― i'm gonna need a +1 so me & a friend can kick you in the balls (forksclovetofu)

Exactly!

http://blog.art21.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WoA-ep5-nicole-oh-my-goodne.gif

miles is talented no doubt but he's a wee fanny

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l64nhuiQtr1qzoj6fo1_400.gif

judith reminded me of leather stella from project runway for some reason

Except Stella had discernible talent.

judith really was the worst. her fingerpainting book cover was just.. it was also great when she was told her sculpture of wire and beads and shit was just a bunch of junk on a table.

and it WAS just a bunch of junk on a table...

Ryan calling Miles a dbag was pot/kettle/black. Very happy he's gone.

Damn, Abdi, why you gotta almost make me look bad for predicting you'll make it to the finale?

i think the finale will be between miles and his girlfriend. HOW DRAMATIC

did peregrine really draw a curly devil mustache on mark? lol

She really flipped him on his "you strip down" thing and then he got double whammied by having to hike his shirt for the judges (what was that all about?) AND getting called out for sucking. Ouch.

I don't really get the Miles hate, compared to the biggest talent on each season of Top Chef, he seems reasonably cool and balanced

Peregrine fucking sucked...getting Mark to take his shirt off then saying he didn't put enough of himself into the project? Couldn't believe the judge was crying when sending him home, I've never seen that happen on a Bravo reality show, or any other. He must've been a really nice guy...something obvious from how magnanimous he acted while leaving. I would've definitely called out Peregrine for throwing him under the bus after he stripped for her, and I would've given Miles some serious shit...not because Miles was wrong, but because he deserves being called a prick.

Never thought Mark's stuff was that good (xcept week 1 ... portrait of Erik was pretty cool). But yeah he got played. Piece was almost all Peregrine but they thought he took the lead because it was photos I guess. He seemed too nice to really argue his case.

(what was that all about?)

yeah that plus "do you masturbate standing up" was pretty wtf. almost like power-trippy interrogation shit. who was that guy? i missed the guest judge intro.

I actually didn't really know him as a fine artist, but I have 2 Ryan Mcginness books. He was a pretty influential graphic designer in the mid 90s who moved into the artworld I guess. I have this book:

http://www.amazon.com/flatnessisgod-Ryan-McGinness/dp/1887128360/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280407920&sr=8-1

and whoah, maybe it's time to sell it!

I don't know why the description for that book describes Bomb the Suburbs though...another classic from the 90s!

I don't know whether to hate or love Miles for being a douche who talks Tits McGee into taking off her clothes so that she can show her "empowerment"

gonna go with "hate everyone on this show except maybe abdi and sometimes him too".

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the 'unemployed' part seems excessively cruel. why not put 'bum'?

I actually didn't really know him as a fine artist, but I have 2 Ryan Mcginness books. He was a pretty influential graphic designer in the mid 90s who moved into the artworld I guess. I have this book:

http://www.amazon.com/flatnessisgod-Ryan-McGinness/dp/1887128360/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280407920&sr=8-1

and whoah, maybe it's time to sell it!

― dan selzer, Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:52 AM Bookmark

I'd hang onto it unless you need the dough. He's already sort of contemporary cannon and may become more cannonical as time goes on.

I'm sure it really takes a lot of arm-twisting to get Jaclyn to pose naked

loving the fact that this show is basically 100% reaffirming the idea that artists are in general A) jerks B) backstabbers and C) creeeeeeeepey

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i haven't seen this episode but what is the story behind those bunny ears that seems to be draining the whimsy from this lady? or is wearing it some weird punishment for not being whimsical enough?

she chooses to wear dopey headgear every episode; it's her "thing"

and yeah, the crying peregrine/judge thing was REALLY weird and the editors totally neglected dealing with it.

what is art

furry costumes that make you sullen, i suppose.

art is w/e miles sez it is -or- its jaclyn naked iirc

It's easy to make fun of Jaclyn and her narcissism/exhibitionism, but from what little I could tell on a TV screen, her painting this week actually looked interesting and well done.
Don't really get how the tar was supposed to tie into Mile's piece, but it looked good I guess.

Peregrine's was horrible in a velvet Elvis way, but Mark once again did a really boring photograph (seriously, look at his Flickr) and deserved to go away.

Abdi seems utterly clueless as to what he's doing at this point. Nadine still cuet even with apparent chemical burns on her face.

So far, all I've seen from Jaclyn is that she can make realistic painted versions of realistic photographs. Or she can take photographs. Either way, of herself. Naked.

Mark deserved to go home but it's pretty rough considering how vulnerable he seemed all episode.

painting on left pretty lolsy

http://jaclynsantos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/IMG_3857.jpg

I actually thought Jaclyn's painting had poor execution, and that the photo of herself would've worked much better ps I am not a perv.

huge difference in detail between those two paintings. kinda curious.

very weird outcome - seemed like they were all fairly critical of Peregrine's sculpture and all but Saltz were into Nicole's alien egg.

Saltz says he was trying to send Abdi home during judging, which is totes insane.

I was pretty positive McGee and Peregrine were out; weren't they gonna ramp up the ART SCHOOL BOY/ART SCHOOL GIRL LOVEFEST?
Abdi's piece here was way better than almost anything that's been on the show but ugh that frame and have the balls to not draw yourself in underoos
can we just talk about how utterly useless the hosts are?

seriously shocked Peregrine beat Nicole.

Peregrine's "I'm from San Francisco, there were a lot of drugs/homeless people/AIDS AIDS AIDS/etc" schtick is getting old - even Jaclyn's naked pictures of herself are more interesting than line drawings of people fucking at this point.

otm

equally uninteresting imo

can we just talk about how utterly useless the hosts are?

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG. Jerry Saltz is the worst, by far, I disagree with probably 60% of what he sez. Plus, his recaps are weak -- he never even mentioned China and Peregrine crying last week, much less explained it -- and he's way too credulous/naive/clueless about reality tv conventions to offer useful recaps. I'm a little more ambivalent about Leslie Hope and Howie Long, but Saltz is the worst.

pretty sure he did mention the crying? maybe it was in his comments at the bottom

Also, come on, Abdi is so making it to the finale vs. Miles and TBD.

― Daleks in NYC (Leee), Monday, July 19, 2010

OTM, though the foreshadowing for those two guys has been pretty heavy. Peregrine over Nicole is just o_0?

xpost he definitely didn't mention it in the body of the recap, and like hell I was going to sift through 400 comments to look for it.

Curious to know what was up with that, though...

Plus, his recaps are weak -- he never even mentioned China and Peregrine crying last week, much less explained it -- and he's way too credulous/naive/clueless about reality tv conventions to offer useful recaps.

. . . because he's not a TV critic?

I liked the one recap of his I read, and I like that he responds to people in the comments.

His naivete kind of undermines his position as critical thinker and cultural evaluator, esp. with regards to his constantly complaining about Abdi's "cartoon drawing."

Right.

lol, simon showed up in the guest line at the xx at $ummer$tage and asked to get in on the list and his voice just absolutely killed me. I waved him in and said BE BOLD

you could've gotten me into XX? I ended up walking through the park to whole foods and did grocery shopping instead.

dan, my girl said she saw you were coming on facebook and specifically asked if i saw you. I have a thread on 77 to call me out for just such an occasion!

I've never looked at 77.

no time like the present. just invited you.

not sure what that means or how that works!

Go to the "Boards" list and look for 77

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jesus that is terrifying

laura bush?

xxxxxp - I'm not sure why you expect Saltz's recaps to be Television Without Pity? He comments on the art and gives his perspective on viewing the show after only experiencing the judge's table.

Because knowing the conventions of reality-competition TV and being a fine art critic are THE SAME THING.

(xxxxp) What does Geri Jewell have to do with this?

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hehehe

winner!

xxxxxp - I'm not sure why you expect Saltz's recaps to be Television Without Pity? He comments on the art and gives his perspective on viewing the show after only experiencing the judge's table.

― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Monday, August 9, 2010 2:30 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Because knowing the conventions of reality-competition TV and being a fine art critic are THE SAME THING.

1. I hate TWOP. They should be burned alive.
2. Yes, they are the same thing. It's all criticism. Mix his contempt for the genre, his ignorance thereof, and his disagreeable views on art, and he is worthy of hate.

1. Agreed.
2. Respectfully disagree.

I am an aesthete, I don't expect you people to understand...

I heard they have treatments for that.

Enjoy your funhouse world in which interest in one subject AUTOMATICALLY EQUALS expertise in all.

/tears up Matos' invitation.

hahaha dare I ask wtf you're talking about?

You're no aesthete, you wouldn't understand.

Oh, darn.

Look, I'm not talking about esoteric reality conventions -- for instance, he treats the talking-head interviews as a diegetic part of the episodes rather than an edited part of the narrative discourse, which is at minimum an unseemly faux pas that reflects poorly on him and his anti-pop stance.

Audition to replace him, then--you're halfway there.

Sorry, that wasn't clear; was trying to make a joke about that post reading Saltz-ish.

This isn't going anywhere anyway so I'll quit after this, but really, the idea that someone isn't familiar with something you're absolutely certain they should be--it doesn't fly. People's backgrounds differ. This isn't hard to figure out.

Jerry Saltz + "anti-pop stance" does not compute.

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Bravo! Where have I seen that wolf before?

lol

Bravo! Where have I seen that wolf before?

― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

u had any landscaping done recently?

I thought it might be an uncle of best beloved tuppence.

I think that Peregrine would be more imaginative than Nicole so I do prefer her going to the final. But then I saw a giant pony toy or something during the preview and thought "bleh". I bet that on the next episode or the last episode that they have to make a last minute companion piece which hopefully is the pony.

Also you see some black and white pixel art from miles during ht preview. PIXEL ART is unoriginal and random black and white squares is easy. At least make all the pixels be 3D cubes.

is the finale tonight?

I liked some of Abdi's work and like him as a dude and wasn't surprised he made it to the final, but I thought his was the weakest of the three. I thought Miles was totally great, I love that shit. Before the show I was sure it was gonna be Miles vs. Abdi, as Peregrine I thought was all over the place, but I was pretty impressed with her stuff. The molds especially. I wasn't so in love with the fawns. So I was surprised I liked it as much as I did, then surprised that she didn't win.

I thought Peregrine was going to win too, but three of Abdi's pieces really knocked me out (the three they showed at the end of the episode, actually) while I only really loved two of Peregrine's (the twin dogs photo and the slumping head). But I was impressed by all three shows. The show works so much better for me minus any edit-driven internecine bullshit; I realize that's the draw for a lot of people for these kinds of programs but I usually find it tedious.

I thought Peregrine was going to win also and was telling myself that she had the best total collection. Turns out the judges praising her work so much was just misdirection. Just like the week before when most everybody thought the judges picked Nicole over Peregrine.

After the show was over I did think that the best work of anybody was a few of Abdi's paintings but I definitely thought Peregrine was going to win. Some of Abdi's stuff like the photo negative didn't feel particularly moving and I wasn't feeling the sculptures on the ground either because they looked rough and unfinished. There wasn't very good camera footage of the ground sculptures though.

And yeah, I think Miles sort of blew it by going down the road of pixel art like stuff that felt cold. In another universe he could have won had he planned on doing something else - maybe woodwork.

Last night I couldn't help but think about what sort of work I would try to do if I was Miles. I had some crazy ideas involving gyroscopes, 3D pixel art, lasers, dry ice and mirrors.

I don't know...I loved the pixel work, as abstract sure, but it had a clear relation to the more external stuff which was among the most clearly narrative stuff he'd done. And as a story, as a progression, starting with this distance created by the cell phone image of the security camera and delving deeper and deeper into the pixel, into the very cold dead void where the soul of the homeless man once was. I'm only half bullshitting by the way, I really believe that. The whole series had a strange lack of respect for the visceral impact of art, and those pixels were an aesthetic that I like and can relate too. Maybe it's a generational thing too. Some of us grew up in that imagery, and referencing it isn't always nostalgia or kitsch. Granted, it is in so much "8-bit" art and other Nintendo style work, but this was exactly the kind of thing that got away from that.

Although she was not my favorite through the series, Peregrine's show was the best by far. They were all good though. I wish Miles had done something sculptural too. I was shocked by the decision. Those floor sculptures and paintings must have been more impressive in person.

Also, last week I really like Jaclyn's work apart from her explanation. Peregrine's park/person/sex sculpture was the weakest.

Yeah, I thought Peregrine should've won.

Peregrine's stuff seemed amazingly derivative, intentionally naive and technically basic.
Miles show felt cold and disassociated and obscure.
Abdi did have about three really nice pieces and he seemed solidly technically accomplished.
None of these guys are remotely ready for a major museum gallery show.

the fact that miles made no effort to understand the dead guy on a personal level except as a cell photo and then to abstract that further and further made his work even less human than normal and a tetch repugnant to me.

Agreed, I thought his collection was boring.

http://re-title.com/public/mailimages/October08-Bridge/miami1.jpg
fucking travesty of justice that this didnt win everything

peregrine's whole show was rad. abdi's pieces were FINE, but completely random, which is basically how i felt about his art the whole time, except for the gravel/charcoal drawing, which was one of the best things anyone did all season.

but for real, that twin-fawn piece is seriously wonderful.

not to be challopy but i thought the twin faun was about a step and a half above a hot topic/urban outfitter poster.

Nope, pretty challopy.

no, i'm with you on that forks, the twin fawn thing looked like a thousand other woodland creature inspired innocent+otherworldly indie-ish things. i mean it looked like it was a technically nice piece, but the subject matter was cliched and boring to me. the drooping boy head was a lot more compelling.

overall each show had ups and downs. i think it just sort of comes down to taste. miles could've done better final product-wise, but his process and subject matter was the most interesting to me. i actually thought most of the judge's commentary was surprisingly otm this episode.

oh yeah cool miles you zoomed in on a now-dead man's eye and used digital distortion oh hey there's this cool new band radiohead

peregrine didnt need the cotton candy thing, but the horses (jumbled-together and alone), heads (did like the one in the glass very much), and fawns were enough for me. i agree that the judges were pretty good this ep.

not to be challopy but i thought the twin faun was about a step and a half above a hot topic/urban outfitter poster.

― 8o---e*.\\\||///.*ə---o8 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, August 12, 2010

And she didn't MAKE that faun, just photographed it. Am I right?

yeah, i think she said she bought them in a store.

buying some weird fauns in a store and then photographing them is not the most amazing talent, imo.

Photography is art, guys!

better pic:
http://modfrugal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Picture-5.png
hey also everyone a FAUN is a forest-god. a FAWN is a baby deer.

yeah, i don't dislike it b/c she bought it in a store, but it def doesn't make it any more intersting.

i didn't see this show; what kind of store sells fauns? Bed Bath and Befauns?

FAWNS

i think she said a science store?

fawns. got it.

i know photography is art, but that piece did not take the skill and talent that many of the other pieces did, iMo.

yeah, and obv obv this is opinion, and i def am surprised that a photo on a tv show prompts this strong a response from me, but something in the work resonated really deeply with me, and it seemed like peregrine felt the same about the piece, which makes me feel bummed about her losing.

i sort of felt so-so about her and her work for most of the season, but i just think she really pulled it together in the finale, with a lot of skill (cast wax figures of her own sculptures, based on her own drawings, in addition to the concept of the show) and talent, but like, more important, some sense of SUBLIME or MYSTICISM or something really moving and totemic about this (yes admittedly not completely revolutionary conceptually) fawns image. i just felt like she nailed it, and she got it, and it was a bummer that the judges disagreed.

I've only seen one episode of this show (the penultimate one) but Abdi's drawing was breathtaking

yes, agreed -- my second favorite thing of the whole season

idk, i think the judges agreed with you about the fawns, they just thought her whole show was a little scattershot. i also can't help but think abdi's whole personality and story throughout the show helped him win it. it provided a context for viewing his art that really helped it, made it seem less calculated b/c he's such a likable enthusiastic guy. which i don't think is unfair, its partially reality TV art after all, you can't take that element out of it.

Not sure who else had any input, producers or whatnot, but we were surprised that the special guest judge wasn't a curator from the Brooklyn Museum. I wonder if someone from there was involved. I think Abdi's work is probably the work you'd most likely see there.

not seeing the rest of the pieces maybe puts it at a disadvantage, but just looking at it makes
me more excited about this science store than anything else, which maybe doesn't speak well
of it as a standalone piece -- it's more congratulating her taste/scouring abilities, like if someone
finds a really good thing to sample out of digging through 1000s of records.

also, forgive my faunetic spelling.

but it's more than the object, i think! her photograph imbues the thing with this monumental quality, or something. like, big and peaceful, or something.

my only other thought about abdi's win is that this win could do a lot to give him a boost towards taking his art more srs, like knowing he's way better and more talented than drawing the anaheim mighty ducks logo, yknow? i can appreciate that, especially since it seems like peregrine is in no danger of not taking herself srs as an artist...

when the show was in peregrine's house, my girl saw two different things that she had been outbid on ebay for.
Also: we have the EXACT SAME plastic horse she made that mold from up on a shelf.

^^^^^does not make me any more predisposed to peregrine

does your girl tie you into a harness when she DJs over your shoulder?

"her photograph imbues the thing with this monumental quality, or something. like, big"

I'll grant you it tricked me into thinking you could buy life-sized pickled deer, not some snowglobe thing.

... why do you ask?

because that's what peregrine and her husband were doing, but with horns.

oh, i thought you had been at some of our parties.

also, in retrospect, I wish they had kept tits mcgee on for the finale just so we could see her wonderful breast opus in full flower

I was wondering what piece Simon would decide to auction. On the Bravo site Simon says that floating Abdi was his favorite piece from the whole series.

thought Peregrine's exhibit was the best, except for the deer

Miles repeated explanation of the dead homeless guy felt exploitative - he never showed any sign of this having effected him in any way, aside from being a good hook for his schtick

Abdi's is hard to judge on TV.

Saltz telling Miles he's a REAL ARTIST through and through was ugh.

I agree, let's cut Saltz off next season. But great new show nonetheless. I like seeing China dress weird

is this coming back for another season? hope so

almost certainly; it's cheap, there's some buzz and top chef is starting to get tired

via facebook feed--

Brooklyn Museum Slideshow! Bravo's Work of Art winner, Abdi Farah, is here today installing his work in our galleries. Abdi will be in and about the gallery tomorrow - he says to come by and say hello! Show starts tomorrow (open 11 to 6).

Not getting the Saltz hate, I thought he was very good.

Saltz has been fine all season, until he did a little cheerleader routine for Miles there.

Didn't Miles already do a bunch of pixelated stuff prior to this season (think he got called out on this by someone in an earlier challenge)? The whole narrative he spun around the dead homeless guy seemed like an excuse to tread water.

Really hope this comes back - it's the only reality show that I'm able to sink my teeth into. I mean I love Top Chef, but can't taste the food. Love Project Runway, but don't understand fashion. Also, the batshit level of psycho warfare these fuckers wage against sort of blows my mind.

you can't call him out for having an interest in pixelated patterns anymore than you can call abdi out for having an interest in the human body or peregrin out for having an interest in twee stuff or any other artist who is interested in some particular thing. whoever called him out earlier in the show was just frustrated b/c he kept winning.

i agree that this is the most interesting reality TV show. i don't know what this means, though: "the batshit level of psycho warfare these fuckers wage against sort of blows my mind."

pixelated patterns is real easy to do using photoshop. the main trick was that he took the photos of security camera footage using his phone which would make it even easier to find pixelated patterns. the fact that the guy died is just guise to give meaning to the patterns which had no meaning except perhaps the black hole image

it's like making ambient music using nothing more than music making software

wtf? a lot of people make really great ambient music using "nothing more than music making software". i can't believe you're actually putting forth that argument for assessing artistic value.

I don't think art has to relate to the human condition or have emotional pull to be good (yeah it helps). I'm just saying Miles took an easier path than the other dudes and had art that didn't have much emoptional pull

i mean, don't get me wrong, i didn't love what miles did or anything. the "easier" argument just makes me go O_o

the designs were banal... not exceptionally good ambient music per se

it was like most of ambient music created on the interwebs

his designs were like anything on deviantart.com

i guess i just disagree with the suggestion that miles' process was more of a performance than the others. i think the opposite, i think he came across as more genuinely experimental and curious and unsure of where he was going. whereas the others were "performing" in an artistic sense, they already knew what they were interested in and just wanted to come up with a very nice product in that vein. not saying there is anything necessarily wrong with that, just doesn't really excite me. again, not to say i was that crazy about miles' final product, though its impossible to really tell about any of them from what you see on the TV screen.

ahh, I'm not comparing him to the other 2 contenders but to someone who might be doing the same type of art on deviantart.com

I guess the fact that he went in using an experimental/curious angle is pros for his art but in the end it's the finished product that was judged more than the process his family was going on about

sorry, the deviantart.com comparison is absurd

i'm saying his finished product just wasn't that good

there is a lot of great art on deviantart so I'm sorry if I'm being confusing.

(process can give extreme pros to the finished product in the case of Piss Jesus.. his process was hardly Piss Jesus)

Miles doesn't really strike me as a guy who is taking the easy way out or going through the motions in his process. He is a complete whiz with a variety of media, and if pixelation and repetition was something he was interested in, I think you have to take for granted that he worked his ass off on those pieces and spent a lot of time with them. The fact that he is prone to sleepiness does not mean he's a lazy artist, and especially no lazier than the other two finalists.

If he has a flaw it's that his work lacks emotional depth, and the basic concept of his final collection was a perfect example of that. But all three of these artists have major flaws. Each of them is probably ten years away from really making meaningful work.

No idea what Lorax is going for with the deviantart thing.

I am 100% with Karl on this argument. I don't know what deviant art is, just looked at it and I don't see the relevance.

You write I'm just saying Miles took an easier path than the other dudes and had art that didn't have much emoptional pull but I think there's something about art and the eye of the beholder, no? Miles' abstract stuff in the finale, even divorced from the association with "dead guy" still had a greater emotional impact on me then the other two. And maybe it's just my aesthetic.

This reminds me of a discussion I had with another DJ years ago about "soul" and "real" music, his attitude being that there was more "soul" and emotion in live music (in this specific case, soul and disco music created by black people, although the race angle was a whole other aspect of the same argument, and ignoring the divide between "soulful" funk and "mechanized" disco) then in electronic music. I argued that it depends on where you come from and that in certain cases, mine for example, the melancholy melodies combined with the electronic alienation or whatever of Kraftwerk tugged my heart-strings more then, I dunno, Sam Cooke. I wasn't arguing that Kraftwerk's Computer Love was more emotional then his "real" soul music, just that it affected me more.

i think there was something smart and compelling about using death as a spring board for his pixelated patterns. the glimmer of waves on the ocean (particularly when seen from above, like from a bridge) have often reminded me of digital static noise and the ocean has a tradition of being used as a symbol of death. his whole concept creates a nice experiment in which the viewer looks into the patterns for signs of life, for traces of a person who supposedly existed. its success probably really depends on how interesting to look at the patterns are in person.

Are you miles?

Basically our argument can be summed up as merely opinions on his art. But we both had some intelligent hearsay about it

i agree that this is the most interesting reality TV show. i don't know what this means, though: "the batshit level of psycho warfare these fuckers wage against sort of blows my mind."

Sorry - I finished a few glasses of wine before posting last night. I was trying to comment on some of the sick stuff artists were doing to each other (Peregrine making one guy take off his shirt and expose his belly scar, Miles fucking w/Jaclyn's narcissism, etc.) Goes a bit next level compared to the usual catty BS

(fuck wrong thread) dohhhh - I'll go to the mod request forum

it's too late, we've seen yo

well I'll use this hopefully soon to be deleted space to hum the fairy song
doooo doooo doooo dooooo, doooo doooo dooooo dooooo, doooooo doooooo dooooooo doooooo, dooooo doooo doooo dooooo

I thought you were trying to come up with beautiful and soulful electronic music!

Computer Love is of course the gold (freudian slip, typed "cold" instead of gold) standard, but there's also this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpFQpfryo5I

The singing is evocative as hell, but even the instrumental version of this makes me cry.

sorry for the derail. back to "art".

BTW Lorax, those are beautiful. Can we have a thread for game soundtracks? I want to hear more.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/music/blog/Secret%20of%20Mana%20The%20Boy%20Aims%20for%20Wild%20Fields.wma

I'm pretty sure there is at least one thread for video game music. I think it might be on I Love Games (I originally meant to post those zelda youtubes to the Scott Pilgrim thread)

the fact that miles made no effort to understand the dead guy on a personal level except as a cell photo and then to abstract that further and further made his work even less human than normal and a tetch repugnant to me.

― 8o---e*.\\\||///.*ə---o8 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:56 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark

i think this made it more human, ie an acknowledgement that he as a miles-type guy can't understand the homeless guy, and the more he attempts it the more obscured the guy becomes

sorry, i just now watched this

peregrine's show was the best, but i hated everything else she ever made

"an acknowledgement that he as a miles-type guy can't understand the homeless guy, and the more he attempts it the more obscured the guy becomes"

mmmmmmmmaybe, but the show and miles gave very little sign that this was the case. at least as far as i saw

yeah i kinda wish they would have forced the artists to explain themselves more

it seemed for a second like they were going to

at any rate i wish miles had done something else, i think he thought that was a such a strong concept that no one could f with it, but it didn't seem that strong. actually, no one's seemed very strong

season 2 starts next wed

http://www.bravotv.com/work-of-art

there is a contestant called the sucklord

http://www.bravotv.com/work-of-art/season-2/bio/the-sucklord

there was a front page village voice story on this
i saw sucklord's toys on sale at kidrobot and toy tokyo years ago; they looked shitty then and they look shitty now. good for him.

let the record show that this thread was originally titled Top Art

poP TArt

^that is my work of art, give me $10k or w/e bravo

Vinyl Art is a nice niche to tap into. Such a small yet thriving subculture with some major talent. However the art itself often feels like it's lacking variety because certain styles are overused. When I look at photos from vinyl art shows I often feel like the artists live in their own private utopia because their work is so niche to the rest of the world

wow, dude who was haring inspired got reamed for being haring inspired and then booted instead of a tremendously shitty sculpy gandalf, IMPORTANT COLLAGE WORK ABOUT RACE and cat cut into multiple pieces.
Loved that he gave them a huge fuck you by taking down the backdrop and making it clear that his work was SO much better than half a dozen other people.
It's a mix of very good artists and total throwaways; not looking forward to drama queen/sucklord relationship

Bayate should've been the one to go. The Sucklord didn't succeed in transforming the original's kitsch into something new, but I feel like it was true to his belief that the original didn't need improving upon. However shitty the sculpture was, there's something interesting/worthwhile about his perspective, IMO. Whereas Bayate's piece was painfully trite and ugly to boot.

Ugo was mostly just boring and one-dimensional. Kind of wished he'd stuck around for another episode just to watch him struggle to move beyond his comfort zone.

Btw, I watched this episode with one of the contestants.

ooh, was it the drama queen
did she cry?
or are you and nao tight?

there was really such a sense of like "who the fuck is gonna dare boot me and my hairy shoulders off this show in week one when i am the SOLE BLACK MAN on this fucking show and my first work of art was about race, i double dog dare you to kick me off the show"

It was Young -- he's friends with my brother.

at this stage in the game i have no idea what these people's names are.

He wasn't in the first episode much -- for the challenge, he took the dogs-playing-poker painting and did a performance piece with masks.

oh got it.
yeah, i thought that was actually a pretty good piece
he was the dude that did the naked self portrait with his family right? that was striking.

is sucklord the dude that did star wars breakbeats long time ago? he had a very good boba fett fanfiction site in the early days of internet.

Bayate's piece might have been the worst piece of art ever seen on TV.

^otm

there was really such a sense of like "who the fuck is gonna dare boot me and my hairy shoulders off this show in week one when i am the SOLE BLACK MAN on this fucking show and my first work of art was about race, i double dog dare you to kick me off the show"

― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:26 AM (17 hours ago) Bookmark

this

Bayate's piece might have been the worst piece of art ever seen on TV.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:33 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

and this

Looking forward to seeing how Dusty pans out.

oh I missed the first episode? dang

I'll be cheering on the Malaysian dude for the rest of the season. I don't feel like the sucklord is a strong representative for vinyl art

cosigning you there lorax.
there are about six really strong artists and deaf malaysian guy is definitely one of them. The hick dude with the crayons is pretty interesting. Papercraft girl.
Sucklord sucks and that's his schtick but they're co-opting his steez and this does not bode well.

omg i just remembered the "on this season.." clips
the 1 of the innards/viscera w/e girl crying where is the .gif

My roommate was making fun of her, but I thought her photograph (and the sculpture that went into it) was at least interesting to look at. I'm not sure where you can go with "look, I'm sculpting intestines!" though

Sucklord totally reminds me of Mike Damone from Fast Times.

http://www.redstaplerchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mike%20damone.jpg

lol otm

http://www.bravotv.com/media/images/persons/sucklord.png

"Now, the lady will have the linguini and white clam sauce, and a Coke with no ice."

lol! Even their mannerisms are similar. It's kind of unsettling.

through-line is something like this, i reckon:

"When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV." ---->

"the Battle of Evermore" ---->

http://wpc.4d27.edgecastcdn.net/004D27/WorkofArt/WOAS2E1+27.jpg

i like the woman who does the ralph steadman type stuff. a lot of these ppl remind me of ppl from my grad school program

Kinda tempted to change the title of this thread to "Work of Art: Women Cry, Men are Assholes"

This was a particularly ridiculous episode.

Deaf Korean dude is a lock, right?

Why the fuck did they even cast innards/Crohn's girl - she apparently hadn't done anything but diorama/sculpture plus photography for years and had no desire to do anything else?

Liked Bayate's video a lot, I could see that being entrancing if displayed correctly. Pedobear sculpture was cool but it's hard to get a feel for stuff like that on TV.

i really hope the talentless video guy wins it

It seems like a lot less interesting bunch artistically than last year, and apparently less talented, but I think they stand a better chance of bringing the lols. I'm glad the Sucklord guy isn't a dick, he actually seems quite funny and more tuned in, especially compared with the innards/chrons girl, what a baby.

Yeah, I imagine anyone who cries that much didn't go to art school? I'm glad the first two to go were the two who went. Like their work or not, it was immediately obvious that they have their one particular style/schtick and were not going to be able to stretch that out to tackle all the wonderful and idiotic challenges. There's people who are generally "artists" who may not have a specific technique/style and can work in various mediums, but best of all of those who do have a clear vision but the flexibility to work within the demands of the show. Personally, I have high hopes for Dusty, he seems talented in various technologies/mediums and has a playful sense of humor, even though I didn't really like his first piece. I think Michelle is the clear front-runner, even if "poop" was a questionable choice. She's clearly experienced and talented.

Yeah, I imagine anyone who cries that much didn't go to art school?

She has an MFA from Yale, for what it's worth.

They must be coddling them these days! I figure most art school students have to face much more critical crits in their first year than what she got. I guess she had the additional frustration of terrible pain.

Yale MFAs are generally a big deal, but I've seen some pretty crappy art come through there. I guess you can say that about anywhere.

I DJ'd an after-party for a thesis show there for some friends. For the first part of the party my friends played synthesizers and electronic tablas in a faux indian cult type performance. A girl walked on stage and asked if they could play some Outkast. After that I DJ'd for while. At the end the friend playing music exclaimed "New Haven's never SEEN such a party!". It was pretty funny.

Some of the work in the show was totally amazing though.

Um, holy shit. Didn't see the deaf guy losing so quickly.

All the work this week was terrible. Bottle of water + boobs was as close to passable as it got.

yeah axing him over dusty is p crazy imo

interpreter was too expensive?

i have never watched this show but lola lived just down the hall from me in the dorms my freshman year so i feel like maybe i should give it a shot?

jeez the taste of the judges on this show is fucking horrible

Killing me that I have to wait for somebody to torrent this, also gotta stop checking this thread before I've seen the episode :)

Killing me that I have to wait for somebody to torrent this, also gotta stop checking this thread before I've seen the episode :)

Killing me that I have to wait for somebody to torrent this, also gotta stop checking this thread before I've seen the episode :)

Killing me that I have to wait for somebody to torrent this, also gotta stop checking this thread before I've seen the episode :)

wow, apologies, how did that happen?

just a slight razzing, let's be cool

lol @ "have you ever heard of the exquisite corpse?"

There were two kids' pieces that I thought were better than anything the contestants did - the large print of happy words and one of the girls's black and white drawing.

I was surprised they were so down on the adult version of happy words - I thought it was visually connected and taking it to a dark, personal place seemed rather appropriate.

I thought her choice (?) to spell divorce wrong was incredibly distracting.

I thought her choice (?) to spell divorce wrong was incredibly distracting. And I agreed that she should have worked at a larger scale.

sucklord before he was sucklord

http://www.spike.com/video-clips/5vhr4k/cant-get-a-date-morgan-and-his-mother

Lola is terrible.

i kinda gave up on this show

I have not-that-guilty crushes on Lola and car accident girl.

this season's talent not looking nearly as good as last season's

Shut this thing down and just give Simon de Pury his own show.

Lola and the other girl seemed to have the idea that their mural was a lot more EDGY and PERVERSE than it really was. "omg the tiger has a penis + there is champagne"

that said it might have been good if they had done more of the pasted-up figures and less of the boring window cut-outs

the issue for me is that the judges taste is definitively BAD and RONG 98.5% of the time

BE BOLD BE SHITTY and PRETEND YOUR WORK IS MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN THE PROCESS WE JUST SAW YOU GO THROUGH SUGGESTS THAT IT IS

lola is the worst kind of person as conveyed by her saying her mom taught her to just cut lines and her saying she used 2 just chuck glitter @ ppl on the subway

yah i like yung & his short shorts but idgaf abt these lame "personal" msgs

Young just trying to win jury votes I think. I kind of like that those two awful girls said "fuck a message, I just want to have enjoyable art". But week after week the majority of the art from any of these people is weak sauce. Maybe the constraints have made things more difficult on them, particularly having to be teamed up, but if you can't come up with cool looking street art then you are wasting everyone's time. I wish the producers selected some better artists rather than randomly drawing names from a pool of art school graduates.

And yeah, those two girls are awful. One of them with her poop fetish, the other with her spunky lame ass self, and both of them with their childish "penises are hilarious" personality. (And neither of them are as good looking as another ILXor made them out to be). The whole Lola + Sucklord thing is what I imagine watching Degrassi must be like.

It's been super-interesting to watch this show having hung out with Young on a few occasions. I don't know him well enough to say what he is "really like," but he showed up in the AVClub comments section this week to say that he isn't bothered by people's criticism of him on the show, because it's directed at a TV character.

So far I haven't had any problems with Young. He is one person that genuinely deserves to be on the show. I think the deaf guy would be kicking ass if he was still around

Jumping bird pose was kind of hilarious

Well, it seems like the main criticism of him is that he makes banal art that is superficially "meaningful" enough to appeal to the judges.

I guess one way to respond to that is: "Don't hate the player, hate the game."

I agree with that response but I don't think he's been so banal. The more plain stuff has some nice minimalistic qualities and he actually is good at brainstorming and putting "meaningfulness" in his art. Artists oughta be flexible enough to

The others discuss stuff like "if the mouse and cheese are really small than there might be some sort of subtle meaningfulness that the judges will like". Or they have a meanigful idea that gets lost in translation.

Good enough looking art has been in the bottom because the judges are focusing too much on meaningfulness plus whether or not something is merely representing an art movement versus taking it to a new level.