"Make a statement this summer with better-fitting pants from Bonobos"

http://creative.ak.fbcdn.net/ads3/flyers/63/10/6002572795483_1_3203bab2.jpg

that statement = "this is exactly what my cock looks like"

http://www.bonobos.com/store/item/fake_bake_fevers_2

I am coming to the conclusion that these may be the worst pants in the world. Agree/disagree?

also feel free to use this thread to bitch about terrible Facebook ads

much as i like to know what dudes' cocks look like, skinny jeans/trousers are seriously NAGL 4ever and there's no excuse for them

the bright floral liner... what is this "magic in the seat"

I am not someone who would shy away from ludicrously bright clothing but these are the most punchable pants I've ever seen.

makes punching ppl in the dick a lot easier you must admit

they look kind of like normal pants

except they are using models with really short legs

most guys pants don't have paisley vomit trim (I know that women's pants can be an entirely different animal)

$115 for a pair of trousers? WTF?

I don't understand the color choice but the fit looks great. I like these pants. Also, $115 isn't very much, is it? For dress slacks? Hell, for most people it's the average price of a pair of jeans.

You knew I was going to like them, right?

I have never in my life paid more than $50 for a pair of pants. I can afford to but why the hell would I?

I think their shoe choices, and in some cases shirt choices, for their models are abominable, though. Signs of seeing a trend but not understanding how it works (deck shoes, for instance).

I do like the idea of the color, but I hate these particular pants.

I think those pants would make me look like a dick.

skinny jeans/trousers are seriously NAGL 4ever and there's no excuse for them

Do not i repeat DO NOT move to williamsburg brooklyn anytime soon.

these look like pants

spending more than $50 for a pair of pants is highly recommended by the way

better fit, better material, last much longer

not really true. i've had $80 jeans disintegrate after 6 mos worth of washing, and I've had $30 pants that were super comfortable and lasted a decade.

oh wow my illusions have been shattered based on your anecdote

whereas your opinion is based on years of rigorous scentific research, i'm sure

I have one pair of $20 Levis that I bought last year which are falling apart (lol Costco + gaining weight); aside from that one pair, every pair of pants I've ever owned has lasted a minimum of 5 years and there are still a few pairs of pants I own from college that are in good condition (> 15 years old), so I don't think I really need to start paying $100+ for my pants.

you've paid too much for pants. it's okay, you're still an A+ zinger, always got that to hold on to.

(of course lol I can't fit into the college pants but should I stop being lazy and go back to the gym, they are in wearable condition)

thank god im still an a+ zinger

guess ill go burn all my pants

cant believe i spent too much money on them

I suggest investigating this concept called "clothing sales" first

maybe ill just throw myself on my pants fire... feel like i cant even hold on to being an a+ zinger anymore

carhartts can be had for < $50, last forevs, and come in both ridic and non-ridic colors

I have found that air-drying pants increases their lifetimes by a large margin

I still have a suit from 15 years ago that I could fit into if I lost, say, a third of my body weight...

yeah, if I go back to college weight I have two suits waiting for me (of course they are boring and 15 years old so I would likely never wear them, esp. since I can afford to buy suits now, but still)

Anyway IMO the notion that paying $100+ for something means it will automatically last longer is nonsense really; the important thing is how you treat your stuff, so if you spend $30 on decent jeans/pants and treat them like they cost $100, they will last just as long.

Actually said 15yo suit is double breasted and I decided a long time ago that was NAGL for me.

lol thank GOD I never made the double-breasted mistake

Who would name anything after the disgusting lecherous fuck monkey, the bonobo?

Also these pants are way worse:

http://www.bonobos.com/store/item/green_corduroy_pants

every time I see a fairway, I think to myself, "man, it would be great if I could make this into PANTS"

I don't think I could even sit down in trousers like that, because they're too tight. Look at the rear view shots, it's like the models are being given a wedgie by The Invisible Man.

bonobos looks like they have a lot of normal looking pants too

abbott OTM, the bonobo is a loathsome creature,

also last month one day before flying to a wedding i discovered that moths had devoured my only suit ;_;

The sexual activity happens within the immediate family as well as outside it. Bonobos do not form permanent relationships with individual partners. They also do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual intercourse between mothers and their adult sons; some observers believe these pairings are taboo. When Bonobos come upon a new food source or feeding ground, the increased excitement will usually lead to communal sexual activity, presumably decreasing tension and allowing for peaceful feeding.

Also, this - "so if you spend $30 on decent jeans/pants and treat them like they cost $100, they will last just as long" - really isn't necessarily true. I'm super gentle w/ all my clothes because well fitting clothes that I like are rare as unicorns and some stuff is just really super shoddy.

I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS BONOBO SLANDER

Who would name anything after the disgusting lecherous fuck monkey, the bonobo?

― breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Wednesday, June 2, 2010 5:57 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ha - I was coming here to say that this.

also - you said fuck monkey LOL

zomg Jon your display name

Also, this - "so if you spend $30 on decent jeans/pants and treat them like they cost $100, they will last just as long" - really isn't necessarily true. I'm super gentle w/ all my clothes because well fitting clothes that I like are rare as unicorns and some stuff is just really super shoddy.

Well yes, nothing is universal and some things are shoddily made; my argument is more that the price you pay for things is not necessarily an indicator of quality. For every shirt I've bought at Target that melted in the washing machine, I have 8 that have endured for years, and I noticed that a lot of my clothing started standing up to wear and tear better when I started strictly following the washing instructions rather than just washing whites on hot and everything else on warm.

Putting stuff in the dryer will do a number on it, too. Also:

http://bonobos.cachefly.net/store/images/products/PNT-ORK-XX/PNT-ORK_tall_front.jpg

INVISIBLE STEPLADDER

i discovered that moths had devoured my only suit ;_;

A few years ago I was in the middle of a job interview, and pulled a mothball out of the pocket of my suit jacket, right in front of the interviewer.

Did you then say, "Would you like a giant mint?"

No unfortunately it was in a plastic ball, looking something like a beer widget.

If it had been a couple of cedar wood balls I could have said to the interviewer "here's my spare pair".

Can I just say that I love this thread? We have hedonistic monkey behavior and pants at the same time. Bliss.

I have one pair of $20 Levis that I bought last year which are falling apart

But when Levi's fall apart, they do so correctly. You can wear falling-apart Levis nearly until they actually fall apart.

um not when the section that is falling apart is the crotch

quiet there, Mr. Big Stuff.

I knew someone who sewed beer towels into the crotch of his jeans.

ok if you don't like the styling of these specific pants but curved waistbands and a shorter crotch rise are pretty classic tailoring elements for pants, you just don't see them on off-the-rack clothing

quality is a factor, but all things being equal having pants that fit well will last longer than those that don't

it's not the colour that's the worst thing abt these (tho they are bad), it's the awful awful fit

i think the lining is definitely the worst part. "how can we make these pants even more ridiculous and undesirable?"

It's both. It's the fact that they are designed to fit badly so that you can see the lining. That's not what pants are all about, ppl.

Agree or disagree: when the pockets do this foldy puffy thing, you are wearing pants that do not fit properly.

http://bonobos.cachefly.net/store/images/products/PNT-FB2-XX/PNT-FB2_full_02.jpg

Also the crotch is severely strained, and not because of any particularly massive contents therein. Theres things are just cut badly. If that's fashion, I'll take tailoring, thanks.

that mostly happens on trousers like these with a vertical slit pocket opening rather than ones that have the opening go in at a slight diagonal of around 10-15 degree from the vertical. these tend to flare outwards with each step.

xpost

i think it's almost always bad, that kind of pocket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqXm435CG-Y

Yeah, I can't wear slit pockets. Whether it's true or not, when I wear them, I feel like my hips look approx. 240% wider.

Yeah those pockets generally NAGL.

<3 pants tent Larry

Ok I once had a dude strike up a conversation with me in the downstairs lounge of the dorm, and it was loud so he suggested we go into the "music room" (empty except for a piano), at which point he aggressively hit on me. I turned him down, and he was very mellow about it all. He explained that he saw the big bulge in my pants and had to talk to me. I told him it was fabric, all fabric. I even let him squeeze the fabric to prove it. (I'm such a tease.)

Really, you'd think anyone who has their own equipment would know the difference between fabric and gargantuar slab o' cock.

this thread is sort of nyc vs. everywhere else, isnt it

i don't think so, a lot of people routinely buy $100 pants outside of new york

ok so why are people so weird about it

it's not weird, max! people have different spending priorities. and i can only buy $100 pants after they have been on sale for a while.
sorry its just one of my pet peeves when ppl act like new york is a special place with unique customs, it's not it's just a more expensive place

i think what i said was kind of in line with the idea that nyc is just a more expensive place!

oh i thought you meant it's a place where people are too good to wear $30 pants, which is prob true but also true of a lot of places. u know that though

no lots of ppl wear $30 pants here too

not me obviously--as an a+ zinger, i am required to wear tuxedo pants at all time

fwiw nyc does have a lot of unique customs and weird cultures about stuff, just like every other city, so

i'm sorry i got mad, touchy subject

its ok i forgive you

weird customs and cultures like buying pants that fit properly

I spend more than 50 dollars on pants. I think it's worth it. If they look good enough, they can sort of carry whatever other crap I wear.

really idk why im so dismissive of buying $30 pants & paying more for stuff certainly doesnt guarantee quality but unless you are really lucky it seems like it wld be hard to get trousers that really fit well?

I think the model in those pics has thunder thighs and that's why it looks so weird

you can tell he's obviously not from nyc because one nyc custom is to have really skinny, pvc pipe-like legs

i have big ass thighs and i wear pants that fit me

i also spend more than 50 dollars on pants, due to, they fit me better, the material is nicer, and they GENERALLY SPEAKING last longer

but im wearing a pair of $40 jeans right now!!!!!!!!

i am wearing pants made of literally made of $30 just 30 one dollar bills, sewn together

this thread is so sad! do you people really get all your clothes from h&m, uniqlo, AA, gap? i mean, its fine and all for basics, but do you only wear basics?

― phil-two, Friday, January 22, 2010 5:06 PM (4 months ago)

from Man clothes: where do you buy them?

^^ weird nyc culture xpost

I am doing the same thing but mine is made of one 20 dollar bill and one 10 dollar bill </braggin 2010>

Is fashion weird or am I weird or are other ppl weird or what's the deal: aside from my one pair of dress pants for interviews/funerals I cannot remember the last time I bought pants that were not second hand, or even more than $15. Like when ppl in this thread talk about their cheap $40 jeans I'm like dang son u rollin

Y'all shoppin at Herberger's and I'm all daaaaaaaamn

whack my bonobo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsHgW-OFLvg

damn that's the wrong vid

http://www.artliste.com/portrait-citoyen-jean-baptiste-belley-representant-colonnies-anne-louis-girodet-35-606-iphone.jpg

http://scribalterror.blogs.com/scribal_terror/images/2007/05/22/240pxnapoleon_bonaparte.jpg

^always hip

fashion is stupid

― casual racism fridays (bug), Friday, June 5, 2009 3:39 AM (11 months ago)

Is fashion weird or am I weird or are other ppl weird or what's the deal

i don't think i've ever known anyone irl who thought ~$40 was a lot to spend on trousers and yet there are a lot of these men on ilx! it's not necessarily about fashion, dressing well and making the most of yourself is one of the joys of life imo.

Dressing well != spending $100+ on a pair of pants.

My tactic is to buy trousers only when they are buy-one-get-one-free or similar rates at Macy's or whatever. Jeans are bought for <$30 at Wal-Mart, always.

You all know that there are these things called "sales" and "outlets" again where you can often find ludicrously-priced stuff that you really, really want for reasonable prices?

yes

I'm a giant stan for TJ Maxx and Christmas sales, don't even start -- but I don't think it's outrageous to contemplate paying $100+ for a significant clothing item.

Not outrageous, but I don't wear $700+ of pants in a week, is all I'm saying.

Some pants can be $150. Others can be $15.

And sometimes $150 pants look like shhhhiiiiiiittt, so choose very carefully.

thx for the advice

like pants in particular are an item of clothing that you use extremely frequently--a pair thats made well with a good, non-wearing fit is worth a fair amount of money to me if itll last me 10 years. and you cant wear carhartts to most offices, you know?

Follow my fashion advice and you too can look like a dad.

I got a pair of $100 jeans for $15 last week! Oh yeah. I am monarch of markdowns. (Unfortunately, they didn't remove the giant "don't steal these pants" giant plastic & metal tag, so I'm going to have to go back to the store, but I didn't keep the receipt, so...maybe these pants aren't so sweet after all.)

Band saw?

There are probably instructions on the internet, Abbott!

Or, I could just have them take it off.

http://sites.google.com/site/inktagremoval/

Dealing with retail personnel is much less fun than playing with power tools.

xp You could leave the tag on to deter jeans thieves.

I don't own any power tools, save for my powerful ability to char,m retailers into correcting their own errors. Though that looks like a nice site for the Popular Mechanics/shoplifter crossover crowd.

With those orange kecks and the green cords linked to, this looks like the place where Wes Anderson does his shopping for casuals imo.

i don't think i've ever known anyone irl who thought ~$40 was a lot to spend on trousers and yet there are a lot of these men on ilx! it's not necessarily about fashion, dressing well and making the most of yourself is one of the joys of life imo.

theres a p hilarious thread on ile about what ppl spend per year on clothes. most of the posters end up in this maniacal bid to outfrugal one another, with posters initially talking about bargain hunting and buying things that last and eventually ppl are bragging about like stealing running shoes out of their neighbor's trash and never spending a dime on clothes in their lives

iow b4 posting here id had never known anyone that thought $100 was a reasonable amount of money to spend per year on clothes never mind ppl that thought spending that much was a gluttonous waste

and you cant wear carhartts to most offices, you know?

would think that any office where you could spend all day on ilx would allow this

I'm wearing some atm, no hammer loops or weird patches or anything, just grey straight leg twill pants

I'm just saying is all anyway, I have multi-hundred-dollar pants but that is not everydaywear in my experience, must be a lower-class thing

haha thats not really what i mean--im saying, carhartts are a good example of pants that will last forever but arent too $$, but theyre not particularly versatile

I am about 85% sure I just saw a pair of these Bonobo pants in the wild while out and about on my lunch break.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii317/RabitesAngelatin/bonobosightening.jpg

Is that a fucking gnome???

earthworm jim

I have sorta missed/skimmed this thread, but ... okay, I appreciate that this brand is interested in making men's pants that are actually made with a good fit, especially for men with Actual Asses, because men's pants are basic and long-lasting and worth having actually fit properly -- and I even kinda like that they go out of their way to villify problems with average pants, like the number of pants out there doing that droopy-diaper thing on people -- and I understand why they have focused their efforts on bland business-casual pants for grown men with money, but the end result is that they're selling apparently well-fitted pants I would have very little desire to ever wear!

By the way I am kinda "whatever" about guys who don't want to spend money on clothes -- I mean, that's cool, you really can look just fine in lots of inexpensive clothes, so why bother caring about another thing to sink money into -- BUT I WILL SAY that, like, how long do you keep a pair of pants? And how often do you wear them? I am guessing that if you are a spend-no-money-on-clothes guy, you will wear the same pair of pants, often, for a long-ass time. In which case spending a little extra for something nicely made might be worth it, because it'll be more comfortable, better-looking, and maybe last way longer!

(I mean, if I wanted to not think about or spend money on clothes for a long time, I would go out and invest in well-made basic stuff that'd hold up and look good for years. But that's just me. And to be fair there is inexpensive stuff that's super-sturdy, too, like work pants.)

Oh also I remember seeing some kind of Bonobos thing where they were like "look, these pants are basically fitted for a guy who WORKS OUT" -- which when you're pitching faintly pricey pants at dudes who work out, is not a bad way of associating your brand with "desirable" people, but ... some of us do not like well-cut pants because we have gotten ourselves all muscley in the ass/thighs, some of us are just built that way (and/or played too much soccer as children)

(also screw you, like I want your business-casual guy-who-works-out pants, what, does that come with a giant gunmetal watch and reservations at shitty tapas bars?)

Here max have some full stops.....................................................

I still can't get over their name!

I mean, if I wanted to not think about or spend money on clothes for a long time, I would go out and invest in well-made basic stuff that'd hold up

If someone wanted to start a thread/PSA for goombas like me and teach us what to actually look for--like signs of well made, sturdy clothes; signs of poorly made clothes; examples of affordable, well made brands to look for; examples of expensive, not necessarily so well made brand names to avoid, and so on and etc--I would totally read that thread. Cuz being relatively poor is part of the thing for me, but so is being clueless!

I also don't see the correlation between $$$ and fit - people come in all shapes and sizes, in the end you're just gonna have to hunker down in the fitting room and see what works for you

btw can I just take this moment to rail against low-rise jeans, hate u

Bad ass? My dad sympathises

I also don't see the correlation between $$$ and fit - people come in all shapes and sizes, in the end you're just gonna have to hunker down in the fitting room and see what works for you

i feel really corny talking abt this but things like hand-sewn details, better quality fabric, better tailoring all help w/ fit. and those are usually more expensive. i mean i guess its sort of a truism but ime better made clothes are going to fit better? better made doesnt always mean most expensive &c &c but theres a correlation

(xpost) Well sure, dyao, it's way more about finding than spending. but I think there are a few things that can improve the fit that inevitably cost more (like curved waist pieces on pants). The cheapest clothes would be flat and square -- every detail or bit of thought you add that actually fits a human body is a tiny bit more work/cost.

I totally do not know anything that would allow me to give a bunch of pointers on how to find better-made clothes, but I guess I would suggest just going and trying stuff on in nicer places. Not to buy it! Maybe just as research. I feel like eventually you might put something on and go "okay, I can actually see how this looks and feels better than the cheaper version I could get elsewhere." And hey, if you don't, then you're lucky, you've already got something that works.

keep misreading this thread title as pants filling bonbons

yeah I can see all of that. another interesting question for me is at what price point are clothes not made in factories in developing countries? (not meant to be an inflammatory comment - just under the impression that expensive pants are probably made in the same factories as cheap pants... doesn't stop them from using more expensive cuts & patterns but still)

from http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/fashion/29ROW.html:

At Martin Greenfield, a union shop where employees earn about $13 an hour, before benefits, it takes an average of four hours of labor to make a pair of pants. The pants pass through the hands of at least 20 people in the process of cutting fabric, adding pockets and building out a fly. So with labor and fabric, the cost to make Mr. Sternberg’s pants was about $110 — a fifth of what they cost in a store.

there are certainly american made pants that are cheaper but shasta's probably the best person to talk about that stuff

hah at that price point going to a tailor might be a cost competitive option? I guess it's also kind of risky to buy expensive pants because you need to buy a classic style otherwise they might go out of fashion soon & you'll be left out in the cold wearing hand made hammer pants

Just to let you know where I'm standing here, I think I basically have some $50 chain-store pants like anyone, some good $75-$125 pants I actually think are nice, and ... I think the most I've spent is like $275, and that pair is for Very Special Circumstances.

So I'm not even talking about really nice designer clothes here. I find it less expensive to get something better-made even from a nicer chain store than to keep re-buying cheaper stuff when it wears out or gets uncomfortable or starts looking dumb.

yeah my philosophy in buying things has always been "I'm too poor to buy cheap stuff" but like that nyt article mentions it's hard for me to see the connection between quality & price in clothing because I don't possess the skillset to determine what is well made and what isn't

Most of the Bonobos pants (that are grey, black, etc) look like they have a lot more style longevity in them than something like True Religion jeans, which cost 2x as much and are way, way trendier/uglier.

http://www.worldtopclothing.com/images/true%20religion%20men%20jeans-015.jpg

...Very Special Circumstances

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ues303.jpg

hahahahahaha

$275 is steep, but if you're one of those dudes who wear them every day for a year they're worth it

Jeans with any kind of visible detailing on them are kind of a poor investment, yes. Unless that's just the kind of scene you run in. (To be honest I'm always entranced enough by the style cycles of just plain non-detailed jeans, in terms of color, how washed-out they are, and the cut down the leg.)

Is there really a skill-set for knowing what's well-made? Obviously there's a lot of stuff to know about details and how much things should cost, but I think a lot of it you just feel -- like it feels right and comfortable on your body, and it feels reliable and non-flimsy in your hand. I mean, the really cheap/disposable stuff -- like H&M or Forever21 -- a lot of it just feels awkward as soon as you touch it. It might still be worth it, but you can just kinda tell it's not built to last.

This is the kind of thing I'm pretty sure just about everyone can recognize with, say, t-shirts -- you might not know why, but a good t-shirt is just clearly different from a really cheap/shitty one.

(xpost - hahaha the "expensive" trousers were dressy / looking-sharp trousers, definitely not every-day. though I'd often put on a tie for no reason just so I could wear them)

haha so then well made clothes are like pornography then?

I mean that assumption is sort of dependent upon the assumption that the person in question has felt/encountered well-made clothes before. a lot of people go through their entire lives buying off-the-rack disposable clothing and so for them the standard of 'well-made' may very well be the stuff at H&M and the Gap or whatever.

Yeah, that's why I said it might be useful for some people to go try on "nicer"/pricier stuff -- not to buy it, but just because you might put something on and go oh, so that's the advantage. But seriously, you know what I mean about t-shirts, right? It's not like developing special knowledge or knowing what the difference is. Like 95% of it is just "does this sit right on my body? does it look and feel comfortable and natural? do I put it on and completely forget I'm even wearing it? does it even cross my mind that one of these seams would rip?"

Having a "different" body shape might make this easier, in a couple ways, because things either work or they just feel/look noticeably awkward.

these pants look like crap

dont really care what people choose to spend on clothes but

these pants look like crap

(But like if someone feels good in Gap stuff and isn't annoyed with it, no problem! Gap stuff always lasts me forever, actually.)

still though I think that assumption presupposes the person is concerned about style/fit in the first place, or that something else doesn't massively trump the style/fit concern, like price. for example, my dad will only buy the cheapest beer at the liquor store and has it ingrained in his mind that beer should taste like horse urine. I've tried numerous times to introduce him to some nicer beers, like dogfish head or whatever, and he's always been like "hmm this is okay but it's so bitter and LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT COSTS PER BOTTLE!"

obv. this is just anecdotal evidence but it seems to me there are tons of people out there in the world like my dad and I can see why people would balk at paying 3-5x the price of big-box-store pants for arguably small improvements in quality/fit

haha funny dad

Hell, for most people ($115 is) the average price of a pair of jeans.

I've now read this thread all the way to the bottom and am still having trouble thinking of a definition of "average price" and "most people" for which this sentence is even remotely true!

My guess is that the average price for most people jeans-wise is between $40 - $80.

What is the best pair of jeans here?

http://www1.macys.com/catalog/index.ognc?CategoryID=45707&PageID=196311742039098

What about here? (scroll all the way to page 3!)

http://www1.macys.com/catalog/index.ognc?CategoryID=45870&PageID=197011170626581

A guy needs his supplies. With three roomy pockets on these rugged X-Ray cargo pants, you'll never have to go without.

Dude, dyao, yes, I am totally with you! I'm definitely not saying anyone should be spending more on pants. I'm just saying that if anyone feels like caring, I don't think it requires arcane knowledge to start noticing differences. You just basically try different stuff and notice what's better about some of it. (Am I really insane in thinking just about every guy knows this about t-shirts? Your favorite t-shirt just feels nicer to wear than one that's too thick, too thin, awkwardly shaped, bunches up, crooked seams, weird shoulders, bad neck-hole, or whatever.)

haha yeah, I think I'm arguing that I don't think good fit is self-evident and in many cases is not even commensurate with comfortableness, cf. all those people who wear xxxl shirts and sweats because it's just more comfortable.

right but thats a different kind of "fit" isnt it? i mean huge baggy shirts are a whole other sphere of "fit"-ness from stuff thats more or less the same size but differs slightly in the width of the neck or the shoulders or something

yeah I guess I used that as an example to show that people's standards of good fit vary by quite a bit - so an expensive shirt that hews closely to the standard of fit espoused by nabisco, i.e. something that conforms to your body shape, isn't necessarily self-evidently good to many people

i wish burt_stanton were here

you can lead a horse to water etc. etc.

hed remind us all what really matters in a pant is impressing the ladies with the size of your junk

i love this thread a lot

yeah i think burt_stanton would have some pretty valuable things to contribute

ha, oversized t-shirts are actually a weird example, because they have to fit in a certain way, too! (e.g., the neck-hole can't be too big, or it'll go all Olivia Newton-John on you.) that's about, like, different kinds of fit. but whatever kind of fit you're after, some stuff is just put together better than other stuff. like if you try on your xxl t-shirt and it's bunching up around your hips and the fabric's too thick and the neck is falling over your shoulder ... you'll get a different one!

yeah but will paying more $$$ for an xxxl t-shirt guarantee a better fit? like I can see switching from hanes to fruit of the loom, but they're still in the same price range. whereas I think you're trying to argue that as you climb up the price ladder, one of the things you're paying for is better fit in a certain category of fit, which is not necessarily true for a lot of people - like claiming "well this more expensive pair of pants just feels better than this cheap big box store pair of pants" would be some kind of near-universal reaction is just not true imo

I dunno, we are probably just going around and around over a small difference on this.

I mean, I don't think anyone here is saying "more expensive" = "universally feels better!" Just that sometimes, things are more expensive because they're better made. Sometimes! And sometimes you can just tell when something's better made. Like maybe well-made bedsheets, or a well-made car, or a nice guitar. And sometimes you lie down on the sheets, drive the car, or play the guitar, and you're like ... oh hey, this feels nice! Maybe not nice enough to spend a bunch of money on it, but the sheets feel nice on your skin, the car's really responsive and comfortable, and the guitar's smooth-playing and sounds great. Sometimes those are small differences that only a connoisseur really cares about, but sometimes it doesn't take a connoisseur to say, "oh, hey, driving this luxury car's kinda nicer than driving my old Hyundai." Sometimes it's just like ... a little more care and effort and detail has been put into the nice thing, to make it pleasant to use. That's what's nice about it!

Anyway.

I mean, the majority of stuff I own is super-crappy, and I'm totally happy with that, so I'm seriously not saying people should have the nicest everything. Just that sometimes you can see what's nice about it.

yeah I totally see where you're coming from, and I can definitely see how an expensive shirt or pair of pants would objectively be considered to be better made because of quality of fabric, stitching, construction, etc.

where I get off is putting 'fit' into that list of objectively good things, since it seems to me fit is such a personal preference that it's hard to reach consensus about it!

but yeah it looks like we may be arguing for different sides of the same coin so

what like ppl think boxy misshapen trousers are what they look best in? i kinda still dg your point

there are people who are like that out there, it's true

those people shouldn't spend more than a fiver on their trousers.

http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/03/26/jobs_and_schmidt.jpg

i am profligate when it comes to the buying of trousers, this thread would faint.

lets go shopping estela

very well.

*faints*

*goes left*

How long are people wearing their pants for between washes? New pair every day? Week? Whenever some mustard/mayo etc is too noticeably staining them?

here lamp have some apostrophes'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

dowd those questions are a can of worms

There are some pretty specific reasons why a pair of pants that are more expensive to make are going to fit better.

1. Fabric. Better quality fabrics are more expensive, and the better the fabric, the better the line and drape of the pants. Thus the better they look. You can see this in action in the Gap and Banana Republic. Gap carries some light weight cotton office-appropriate pants that are pretty inexpensive. Because they are light, they aren't going to hang well on the body. The might also cling to your socks. Because they are cotton and maybe a cheaper cotton, they are going to react unpredictably to washing. Even if the fabric gets washed once and pre-shrunk, additional washings are still going to result in further shrinkage and maybe in weird ways, such as turning them into high waters. All of this effects fit. Banana Republic has some wool and wool blend trousers. These are made from a higher quality fabric and are going to have a much better drape and line to them - the wool fabric is just going to hang from the body in a more pleasing fashion. You would get them dry cleaned and so don't have to worry about weird shrinking. Also, a lot of cotton blends (particular involving rayon or polyester) are likely to pill, particularly in high friction areas. The more expensive wool won't do that.

2. Pattern Drafting. Clothing companies draft patterns based on the measurements of a fit model. This is a person whose body shape and size (for women's wear she's usually a size 8, but I don't know what the most common menswear fit model size is) the designer has deemed best suited for the clothing line. To create patterns for different sizes, the pattern makers will increase or decrease the size of the pattern created for the fit model, following a set criteria. This is called grading. The problem is that the further you deviate from the Platonic ideal size of the fit model, the less the garment actually resembles human proportions. So if you take pattern made for a size 8 woman and grade it so that it is uniformly bigger until you reach a size 18, you're going to end up with garment that fits a very limited number of people (if any people). The proportions just aren't the same. However, manufacturers of cheap clothing do exactly this because it's the cheapest way to make clothes. A manufacturer or designer that charges more for a finished garment will have a greater variety of fit models and therefore garments that fit better on people who are not the same size and proportion as the fit model on which the pattern was based.

3. Quality Control. The more expensive the clothing, the more the manufacturer or designer can focus on quality control. The union shop that makes the $500 pants above is an extreme example of this. In the other direction, you've got places like Old Navy that will send a set of patterns and thousands of yards of khaki twill to a factory in Malaysia and another set of the same patterns and thousands of yards of bright orange corduroy to another factory in Vietnam (because maybe the Vietnamese factory has machines that can handle the cord) so you have two different sets of cutters and two different sets of sewers under two different management teams and this is why you can try on the same pair of pants in two different colors and have one fit and the other not fit. Or one will fit you just right and the other will sit funny on your hips or be too tight in the crotch. When you combine this with a cheaper fabric and uninspired pattern grading, you've got the potential for some funny-fitting pants.

4. The Details. Linings. Pattern pieces for things such as pockets and cuffs and zipper plackets or measurements for buttonholes that the manufacturer graded in accordance with size changes. Straight and even and well-sewn seams. Etc.

The closer a person is size-wise to the fit model for a specific brand of clothing, the better that clothing is going to fit even if the clothes are cheap. This kind of thing gets diciest for people that aren't within a few cm of the fit model, so if you have a big butt or strong thighs or skinny legs or you're tall or short or you have broad or narrow shoulders or you're fat or you're skinny, it's going to be more of a crap shoot.

Jenny, there is ace information in that post and I thank you for it.

me too

but i'm still not spending more than €25 on work pants.

You're welcome!

To clarify number 2 a little, again specific to women's wear, higher-end manufacturers will use a fit model that's a size 8 to create a sample size, and then when they put the garment into production, they'll completely redraft patterns for, say, a size 4, a size 12, and for petite and plus size lines if they plan to offer the garment in extended sizes.

Yes, excellent! A lot of that is exactly what I meant about how having an "unusual" body shape will make you notice this stuff straight away.

i bought a pair of black "nudie jeans" about three months ago and have still not washed them, despite having worn them approx 40 times. the guy at the store recommended this to me. they're still nice and stiff and almost feel "coated" in a way, like they've had scotch-gard sprayed on them or something. anyway they're very comfy and fit very well and don't stink yet or anything so i think i'm just gonna ride this for awhile.

he actually said "wait a year" to wash them. !!

I have three plain white oxford shirts, ass ostensibly the ame size, all off the rack. One is from Nautica, cost about $35. It looks like shit, all puffy in all the wrong places, and I only wear it underneath other things. One is from Kenneth Cole, about $55. It's reasonable, but still has this kind of boxy thing happening around the waist. One is from Joseph Abboud, about $110. It's pure genius.

I know, it's a pants thread. My favorite pants are also Abboud.

"ass ostensibly the ame size" = "all ostensibly the same size"

My word, what a typo.

i'm skinny enough to need some darting in my shirts for a good fit, which doesn't happen a whole lot with men's shirts :(

luckily, women's shirts exist :D

This is why I'm a huge, huge fan of the Ben Sherman "Mod cut" shirt.

Zara do 'fitted' shirts that work a treat on skinny ol' me.

Tracer, those are prob raw denim - not treated or washed in any way and without any other fibers. It's like the olden days before Levis came up with stonewashed jeans. The prevailing raw denim wisdom is that you should wear them every day for a year before you wash them and they will conform to your body shape and wear in all the right places. Then you wash them and they are yours forever. Apparently, if you are willing to jump in the ocean while wearing them and then suffer while they dry on your body, you can foreshorten the period of washing prohibition. Levi's offers some more affordable raw denim options, too, if the cheap pants crowd is interested in the trend.

J. Crew has a slim cut shirt, too. Jeff has a bunch of them.

Did someone say "skinny mod boys"? I thought I heard....

Step right this way.

There was a period of time when Van Hausen shirts fit me perfectly. Then, I hit 30. ;_;

if you try on your xxl t-shirt and it's bunching up around your hips

can I just say this sounds like either the worst t-shirt in the world or an argument for why ppl with centaur booty shouldn't wear t-shirts

What people with centaur booty should wear:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Bustle.png

actually

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/centaur.jpg

Jenny you are bringin it like Federal Express!

intrigued by this "raw denim" thing - and i think that is what i have, they're called "dry" denim but that's tyhe same thing right? anyway i did a little web-huntin and found this tip on storing raw denim jeans: "The best, easiest storage is to unbuckle your jeans and leave them where they fall."

All I can say is, one step ahead of you, web page on the internet.

hahaha

If I were to wear a pair of jeans for a year without washing them, it's touch and go whether they wouldn't just stand where they were left when I stepped out of them.

one i straighten out my sewing skills a bit i'm gonna draft myself a pattern for some pants and get around this fit issue /goals

I can never see myself geting into a shape so good that the next jean size down wouldn't be a target.

for me, i'm frustrated when buying pants because being a bit wide in the hips and flat in the ass, i don't have the booty to keep the waistband in the right place, even with a belt. i actually prefer my pants to sit closer to my natural waistline but the only ones i can find to fit like that are boring clothes made for old dudes. everything else rides too low.

Jenny you are bringin it like Federal Express!

intrigued by this "raw denim" thing - and i think that is what i have, they're called "dry" denim but that's tyhe same thing right? anyway i did a little web-huntin and found this tip on storing raw denim jeans: "The best, easiest storage is to unbuckle your jeans and leave them where they fall."

All I can say is, one step ahead of you, web page on the internet.

― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, June 4, 2010 10:11 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tracer i am delighted that you have been on ilx this long without ever encountering raw denim

there are like ten threads about it. steve shasta is ilxs resident denim guru.

Elmo, I'm convinced that the most important fit measurement in pants is what you would get if you ran a tape measure from your front-of-waist down, under, and back up your ass to your back waist. The length and TILT ANGLE of that measurement is the key, I'm sure of it.

max you underestimate my ability to completely ignore everything that doesn't immediately have to do with me.

xp: Yeah, that's actually a hugely important aspect of what makes pants acceptable to me.

sometimes i can find crazy-colored pants for old dudes in polyester blends at thrift. though i'm sure lots of that stuff is donated after old guys die, and i don't know if I feel my most confident wearing dead man's pants.

yeah i can only really feel confident wearing a dead persons pants if i killed him

dead men don't wear pants

murder is a great way to save $$ on pants

yeha look at all this sweet stuff

http://blog.morganair.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/murdercompany.jpg

I'm convinced that the most important fit measurement in pants is what you would get if you ran a tape measure from your front-of-waist down, under, and back up your ass to your back waist.

That's the rise. It is key.

Absolutely, but not only the length -- also how much of the total length is needed in the front (starting from center-crotch), and how much is needed in the back (behind center-crotch). Crotch crotch crotch. Otherwise the back pulls down when you sit and the front bunches up marsupial-style.

i feel like a lot of casual pants are designed to sit at the hips but have way too much rise so the crotch seam ends up halfway down the thigh. improper crotch fit means they just won't last ime.

not that the crotch seam needs to contour your perineum or whatever, but saggy rise means lots of pulling and rubbing at that seam. can't count how many pants i've lost because the crotch tore out.

can i just say that i find it unbelievable that the guy who started the penis pants thread thinks these are the worst pants ever?

hahahaha

well for one thing I am pretty sure I am never going to encounter penis pants anywhere but on the Internet

also I'd forgotten about them

just wait, you're going to be walking down the street, then BAM--penis pants

Absolutely, but not only the length -- also how much of the total length is needed in the front (starting from center-crotch), and how much is needed in the back (behind center-crotch). Crotch crotch crotch. Otherwise the back pulls down when you sit and the front bunches up marsupial-style.

wait wait is this the scientific explanation for the pants tent?!?!?!

it's as if the scales have been lifted from my eyes

Jenny's post is pretty right on from the POV of the extreme low-end of apparel manufacture.

Choice of style and preference to spend money is always a funny topic. It's like: replace $100 pants with $50k car or $1.2M condo or what have you. Or for this nerdy group of msg brd posters (whom I mostly enjoy!) it's like nobody blinks an eye at LP collections of 2,000 or more, or fancy stereos or computers. God forbid anyone have a sense of style that isn't bought off a rack.

Idk, some people like to wear clothing that actually fits. Pret-a-porter is relatively modern. I still have a tailor that I use for off-the-rack stuff that *almost* fits.

Good luck to you and whatever recreative passions you choose to follow and spend your wages on!

Shasta out.

ftr, I think paying over $2K for a non-server computer, paying substantially more than $30K for a car, and paying $400+K for a place smaller than 2000 square feet is also craziness

so, in summation, I like stuff but I'm kind of cheap about it

I am a little O_o at people with insane music/record collections who use cheap computer speakers/earphones for playback. but that's just because for not that much more money you can get vast improvements in sound quality.

Outside of like, Jos. A. Banks and Men's Wearhouse, I have no idea where to get clothing that is not "off-the-rack" or even how to describe it. "Excuse me sir, do you know of a clothier where I could you get casual trousers that are not already hemmed?"

^btw, not trying to be snarky or more-middle-america-than-thou. I just don't even freakin' know!

Baby steps, kkvg. Unless the length of your trousers is an ongoing problem that you'd like to solve?

Right, right. Baby steps.

Also I am pretty sure half of the tailors at Men's Wearhouse were trained by actual bonobos

shasta and HI DERE both otm. do find it a bit laughable that one has to spend a boatload just to have clothes that fit. It's not like I'm walking around with one pant leg 5 inches longer than the other, or my a seam up my ass constantly. sure, you pay more, it'll probably fit better last longer. Just like if you spend $50K on a car it'll be more comfortable, safer, etc. that doesn't mean spending significantly less will give you a product that's unusable.

Yeah, I've gotten a 25% good looking to 75% mad shabby tailoring from both those place.

no one has ever said that spending less money results in an unusable product!

or that clothes "dont fit" if they are cheap!

truth be told, i can't get past thinking that people who spend a ton of $ on clothes are vain and superficial.

maybe stop projecting ur budgetary priorities on other ppl (shasta otm)? what constitutes a "ton of money"?

You would probably not want to know what they think of you! And that awful cardigan you have on with those cargo sweats and crocs... eek!

lol "cargo sweats", is that actually a thing?

I wear like asics all the time with everything every day and don't buy new ones until they have multiple holes in them

sorry

Cargo sweats was a thing the whole last decade!

http://mediaext.drjays.com/media/444/423/files/4444239.jpg

my theory on clothes is that people wear them

I kinda want to get a pair of tailored pants just to see what the difference is. like other people itt I too have a weird body shape, I have a pretty small waist (around a 30) but my thighs/ass fit better in a 32-33, so usually I get pants that are still kind of tight-ish through the thigh but completely flappy around the waist. it's horrible

the uniqlo raw denim jeans I bought are probably as spendy as I've ever gotten but there are definitely some fit issues around the crotch area

what constitutes a "ton of money"?

$40 on a pair of trousers round these parts although seemingly nowhere else in the western world is this a thing.

I love how they didn't even bother to take the packaging creases out for the photo shoot.

I have never seen those on anyone anywhere that I have been in the past decade, which is for the best as it likely would have triggered an unstoppable pummeling.

Cargo sweats need to have the zip-off lower leg capability or else just fail.

yeah dyao ive found the cheaper uniqlo prewashed jeans to fit me better than the raw denim, dunno why really

$40 on a pair of trousers round these parts although seemingly nowhere else in the western world is this a thing.

See, I think that $40 is what a sucker would pay for trousers. You should either pay less than $30 or pay maybe $60-$80. Fuck the $40 range, imo.

yeah afaict they are the same cut! both are 'slim fit' or w/e. it is a mystery xp

the pants of others

http://www.nursinghomeapparel.com/shop/media/pants-blue-2-12-7_big.jpg

"nursinghomeapparel.com"

my problem is I am too big for most off the rack stuff (esp shirts, the sleeves/shoulders are never ever wide/long enough) and not big enough for big&tall fatman clothing, kind of puts a damper on picking up nice things so I have to pick and choose from what I know works well

oh yeah and I am pretty poor and cheap, too

are the ones on the right a distressed pre-worn look? need some stains and a hole in the knee imho

not gonna lie if I had an iPad I would probably pick up a pair of cargo sweats

I most frequently saw cargo sweats in urban areas, paired with a wife beater.

And usually worn by fit guys, not fat guys.

WORK QUESTION: would you buy a pair of sweats that have a distressed/pre-worn look?

Answer honestly.

xp: Also, in the early 2000s, ravers on their days off.

Cargo sweats usually seen in UK environments on men who answer to 'the accused'.

Mr Tracer Hand is going to need directions to the Carhartt outlet approximately 200 yards from his current lodgings.

Jeans are really particular - Cheap Mondays and Levi's fit me best. I have attention to fit and detail kind of programmed in my genes (no srsly, I've been told that 5-year-old me used to check seams and finish like Inspector Number 12, Jr.) and if you're any good at this it will serve you well in vintage places and charity shops. My new stuff tends to be cotton shirts and accessories. Occasionally I find things that are better quality than they have any right to be, but I've also been very lucky in that the local charity shop workers have never heard of Martin Margiela or Helmut Lang; see also old-skool Burberry trench that has served me well in the six years since I picked it up for $20. I've also got clothes here that I've had since the age of 16, which still fit - I'm very careful with most things and haven't had any major losses since the Great Moth Munch of 2004.

I buy fuzzy pants from albertsons so maybe

yes but only if I could buy cargo sweats in their raw denim state too

maybe stop projecting ur budgetary priorities on other ppl (shasta otm)?

no thanks. don't pretend like you are immune from doing this.

totally get irked by this I R LESS JUDGMENTAL THAN THOU nonsense

also only if the pattern is sourced from a vintage 1856 pair of cargo sweats that real railroad workers wore

or that clothes "dont fit" if they are cheap!

All of my best-fitting shirts and pants are either high-end stuff or crapola from H&M. H&M apparently uses my tiny, emaciated hipster body as its fit model. More power to 'em.

I generally don't trust most men, though, to understand what a piece of clothing that fits should look or feel like. Like, how sleeves should hang and how long they should be, or how much break you want in your pant leg (let alone what a "break" even is), etc etc. Slacks don't fit like jeans, and shouldn't, and button down shirts should fit across your chest, not try to hide your man-boobs. Fitting clothes to most men feel like itchy church clothes, and are rejected before they are purchased.

Don't shop alone, boys.

I buy fuzzy pants from albertsons so maybe

the grocery store?

yeah afaict they are the same cut! both are 'slim fit' or w/e. it is a mystery xp

― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, June 4, 2010 1:10 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, gonna get made fun of here, but i buy the "skinny" tapered uniqlo prewashed for around the house casual wearing and they fit great--the prewashed which are just straight leg are weirdly boxy for me

tbh im trying to wear jeans less, no offense shasta, i just realized that like 6 days out the week im wearing em and i think maybe i need to start adding some variety to my wardrobe

cargo sweats dude.

well I did it once xxp

I didn't know that they had a hole in them when I bought them

cargo sweats dude.

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feel like i dont have the panache to pull em off

I've found that a complete comfortability with a lack of panache helps to pull shit like this off. Just dont think about it.

don't pretend like you are immune from doing this.

I don't care what people spend on clothes as long as they look like grown-ups who can dress themselves. Buy on sale! I'm embarrassingly proud of my sale and second-hand finds, I'll tell pretty much total strangers on the sidwalk how much I saved.

cargo tuxedo sweatpants

Sometimes it's hard to believe suzy and I have never met.

also, just saw this:

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When it comes to scrubs uniforms, White Cross is the perfect choice as they have captured a "fresh as a daisy" look in some fantastic prints. The crisp greens of the color palate create a sense of peace that lasts throughout a long shift. Also in this collection are the twin prints in sunshine yellow florals, bringing in the sunshine when it's not possible to be outside.

Koi nursing scrubs are a popular fashion choice all year round, but this summer have brought some of the season's best art-inspired tops, including the 360° that gives customers two summer looks in one. The range of print tops from Koi offer a great option for brightening any pair of scrub pants. Check out the new Bella-style top available in three new prints. These tops all feature fun mismatch buttons that give them the vintage-look and add to the uniqueness of the tops.

As summer temperatures rise, thermostats are turned down. Scrub jackets are the perfect way to stay comfortable and the summer essential to any medical professional's wardrobe. Flexibles print jackets from Cherokee look great with both solids and matching print tops. The Paris collection from Peaches and the pink and navy collection from Barco Metro Scrubs both offer classic jackets in figure flattering designs. Most jackets have deep pockets to hold all of the on-the-go necessities for the summer work schedule.

Jeans are really particular

Ain't it the damn truth. I have about 10 pair of jeans, and two or three actually fit. The rest have any number of issues -- crotch too tight, crotch too low, leg too long, butt too saggy, everything in general too saggy... nailing down a waist and inseam size is hard enough, but it's only the beginning of a long, long journey.

Cargo sweats are for people who can't even be bothered to tie the drawstring in their cargo sweats.

I will drop bank on clothes but that is because I'm a fat lady with a strong sense of personal style and so well-fitting, quality clothes are as precious to me as some people's children are to them. (Of course, I went to the grocery store last weekend wearing an ill-fitting t-shirt and "cropped jeans" that I have no business wearing until I take in the waist and even then, I don't know (they were supposed to look all cute and 50s house-wifey and they... don't) and Crocs (tm) flip flops so it's not like I am fronting like I'm some kind of plus-size Katharine Hepburn or something.)

Just do your research before picking a tailor. There is nothing like the heartbreak of ponying up serious money for a bespoke garment only to have it be just as (if not more) ill-fitting than the off the rack shirt you bought on clearance at TJ Maxxxxxxxx a couple of years ago.

To that end, if anybody knows of a tailor in Chicago who really knows his or her way around a bust dart, email me.

Finding a supplier of comfortable, well-fitting, quality jeans is my next goal. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.

APC's womens' denim line is top notch imho.

TJ Maxx sells under-the-rack clothes, iirc.

I don't know what a bust dart is but I am eagerly awaiting the results of my google image search

"IRREGULAR $4.99"

I bought some shorts from tjmx recently and the pockets were sewn shut

That's not too uncommon, and they make a great object lesson, in church.

Actually it's a good thing for pockets to be sewn shut!!! It keeps the fabric from getting stretched or deformed out of line during shipping and in the store. Same reason vents are tacked shut on skirts and jackets.

Actually it's a good thing for pockets to be sewn shut!!!

not while your hands are in them

the human hand-in-shortsipede

Sewn pockets also Nature's way of telling you whether the trousers actually fit. If you need open pockets for leverage, they don't.

There's a designer outlet with three different shops just outside the Minneapolis city limits, for the TC/HSTNGS folks who want to have a death match fight, with my mother, over some amazing clothes at 90 per cent off retail. Located on one of ILX's spiritual homes - Excelsior Boulevard. FWIW with only 60 minutes' time to shop (long story) I found a BCBG evening dress there for my friend who needed something stylish to wear to Inaugural balls. It was $100 and she accessorized with jet evening bag and chiffon/gold-thread shawl from like 1900.

u know, a lot of ppl talking abt how money=quality i have seen u on wdyll threads and u r not really walking the walk

^^^umm, the important thing is comfort and mostly, cheap is uncomfortable. Whether because it's totally sweatshopped or because the fit and fabric sucks. Nothing to do with being a fashion plate.

u know, a lot of ppl talking abt how money=quality i have seen u on wdyll threads and u r not really walking the walk

oh snap

I feel indicted, though I was not mentioned by name.

you know, now that I'm thinking about it, I feel like I actually owned a pair of cargo sweats

like in 1987

I think the basic solution to all of the conflict itt is if everybody just wore skirts and dresses

Yeah, that works every time for women.

okay - what if everybody just moved to the equator and wore bikinis

Those are two very very different things.

"ugly bikini" is a terrible GIS, fyi

nice try at trying to trick me into performing that GIS

no one should perform that GIS

;_;

Actually I wear skirts and dress far more often than I wear pants because they are much more forgiving, fit-wise.

can I just say btw that ugly bikini is a great GIS and hi dere is just trying to keep it all to himself

"u know, a lot of ppl talking abt how money=quality i have seen u on wdyll threads and u r not really walking the walk"

hahaha what a bitch

u know, a lot of ppl talking abt how money=quality i have seen u on wdyll threads and u r not really walking the walk

― plax (ico), Friday, June 4, 2010 1:57 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol @ u

id walk the walk but my pants are too expensive for me to ever leave the house

max how much did you pay for your top hat?

or just post a picture & plax can tell me what u paid, whatever

my top hat is made from some old pants that were literally made of gold and i wore for 60 years before converting them into a dainty chapeau which i perch upon my crown tipped every so slightly to my left

Way to upcycle.

is this top hat full size or small & perched atop the head like a fascinator?

it fits me perfectly, because it is expensive, and expensive things fit perfectly

No, expensive things are things you make DAMN SURE fit before you leave the store, because they are expensive.

And also, as has been covered, they are things that are less likely to be misshapen.

Stop being dense, is what I'm saying.

60 year old pants hat is a long time! isn't it so nice how expensive things just last forever?

The only time you get more than what you pay for is when the seller doesn't understand what he's selling. This is why second-hand shops are sometimes gold, pure gold.

its terrific, my expensive pants hat, although sometimes i have to take it to my haberdasher for upkeep, but only once a millennium, and he is cheap, and only costs six virgins and a cauldron of molten gold

Sounds like the end of Young Sherlock Holmes

I don't care what people spend on clothes as long as they look like grown-ups who can dress themselves. Buy on sale! I'm embarrassingly proud of my sale and second-hand finds, I'll tell pretty much total strangers on the sidwalk how much I saved.

I don't "care" either, but let's not pretend that what you choose to spend money on doesn't say something about you. It's about as literal a measure of what one values as there is.

what your inability to spend money on clothes "says about you" is that "you look dumb all the time, in your cargo sweats"

I am naked all the time tbqh

i look classy and cool in my sweet cargo sweats ask ilx user plax (ico) hell tell u

but - hahahaha! - im a level 4 illusionist u cant even really know what im wearing mb my expensive and thus naturally incredibly well-fitting pair of trousers made from the skins of pygmy zebras are really just gap khakis.

think about it

i spent all my money and spell components so gap khakis were the only pants i could afford

"truth be told, i can't get past thinking that people who spend a ton of $ on clothes are vain and superficial."

"not caring"

you're right, i stay up nights thinking about it.

I'm wearing bespoke cargo sweats.

i don't care if they're vain and superficial, tons of people are yanno.

are you Ian MacKaye aged 19?

quit judging me!

couldnt fit gap khakis in my inventory unforch

Can I just point out that I don't have an issue with people dressing well, just an issue with me spending all of my money on things I know I can find cheaper elsewhere with similar fit and quality?

xp: you know it's really kind of funny how you judge everyone and then get mad when they judge you back

(don't know who that is really tbqh)

xp to oops obv

no it's really funny when y'all are some of the most judgmental people on this earth and try to pretend you're not and are therefore superior human beings

i dont think anyone is judging ebenezer perry, just judge oops over here

not being judgmental isn't one of the things that makes me a superior human being; being smart, handsome and funny is what makes me a superior human being

i have literally never judged anyone in my life, since im always blinded by the light reflected in my pants, which are spun silver and cost me six thousand spanish galleons and my firstborn child

I just judged you for that post, max

It felt great! I love being superior.

i could feel yr judgement, it withered me

Oh no! I thought your pants would shield you from the brunt of it. ;_;

with great self-importance comes great responsibility

sb's all 'round

u know, a lot of ppl talking abt how money=quality i have haven't seen u on wdyll threads and u r not really walking the walk can't really judge

zmg, that's oops? zmg! dying.

granny i know of ppl who spend lots of money on clothes but obviously don't care what they look like

plax can point some of those ppl out to you if u like

granny is right tho i spend a lot of money on clothes and i am vain and superficial

this is a boring thing to say, but one of the benefits of just kinda figuring out the differences between good/bad clothes is that it will make you better at buying cheap clothes. like even within the cheap stuff, you will come out with the better options. or maybe you find one pair of jeans for $40 and another on the $9.99 sale rack -- it's pretty useful to be able to decide whether to get the $40 ones or whether the $9.99 ones are actually a good find!

i always choose the boots that give an CHA bonus instead of WIS or INT

Boots of Striding are for suckers-- yr still limited by the slow-ass rest of yr party innit?

yea lamp but does the CHA boost help ur saving throw against *being judged*?

r2d20

dying @ the intersection of rpg nerds and fashion nerds

Nabisco OTM. I got an amazing red wool skirt that was dead stock/tags on which was nothing I'd have normally considered, but it was mad quality to the point where it freaked out my mother, who had nothing but perfectly made clothes from her mother, who did fashion design at MCAD (just like my other grandmother, yo). So if I have a form of quality-check OCD here, I come by it honestly. I own items made by both grandmothers that can still be worn 70 years later.

I pretty much made a resolution not to judge ILXors' sartorial choices when it's tons more fun to guide people to better ones or say what I do like. However it is part of my job to interrogate people's personal style, if they are celebrities or scenesters who want to be covered in my magazine.

y'all are some of the most judgmental people on this earth and try to pretend you're not and are therefore superior human beings
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/Q_portrait.jpg/250px-Q_portrait.jpg

agreed w/ suzy: hating is easy; helping is harder

cackle my gladys

^^^whuuuuut?

Well, the interesting thing about "style" and "fit" is that there is a pretty strong consensus around the basics of it but I'm not sure I understand where that consensus came from, or why it goes through cyclical shifts.

Like, a lot of what is being said about pants pockets and crotch bulges etc would have made no sense whatsoever in Elizabethan times, when everything was about tights and codpieces if you had money, simple tunics if you didn't. We have a current idea of how pants are "supposed" to fit but where did that idea come from and why shouldn't we expect it to change?

(oh also, while I have greatly enjoyed the style focus of this thread, I did actually intend for it to be more about awful Facebook ads; I like where you guys have gone with this though)

I did actually intend for it to be more about awful Facebook ads

Oh now you tell us!

Oh wait you sort of did...

also feel free to use this thread to bitch about terrible Facebook ads

― bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 21:43 (2 days ago)

...sorry...

Taking fashion stuff off of ILS will bring butthurtedness and accusations.

i'm glad this thread told me about bonobos.com--i think i like their style and what they're selling.

Taking fashion stuff off of ILS will bring butthurtedness and accusations.

...

you realize this thread is on ILE right

cackle my gladys

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 4 June 2010 21:11 (10 minutes ago)

Shit your leg off!

there's a lot of stuff about rules about men's style that have been codified over the years in instructional pamphlets & books. during the regency period, sartorial icons like Beau Brummel were also v influential -- he was notoriously particular about his clothes and almost always wore the same outfit -- inspiring imitators who wished to emulate his style exactly to adopt it as the "correct" mode of dress. i think the modern "rules" have a lot to do with the expansion of the middle class after the industrial revolution, when ppl with money and leisure time did not know how they "should" dress so they looked to the upper classes of the time for the "right" way to dress. up to that point, the fashion of the monied classes was much more varied and adventurous over time -- afterword, the variations have been much slower and more gradual.

xp: That was central to my point, Dan.

@snoball/ed: glad you guys are having fun!

cackle my gladys

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 4 June 2010 21:11 (10 minutes ago)

Shit your leg off!

― Fat Dog Franklin (snoball), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:22 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

More... more feeble Brenda... oh... introduce me to Gladstone...

awful facebook ads

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Like, a lot of what is being said about pants pockets and crotch bulges etc would have made no sense whatsoever in Elizabethan times, when everything was about tights and codpieces if you had money, simple tunics if you didn't

This thread has a) informed me why a fattey like me looks for trousers and they are too tight while having a ton of spare material billowing out above the ass like I am supposed to have a flat stomach and wear my spare tyre on my lower back, and b) made me totally want a time machine to hear what lolsome zings tunic-wearing Tudor paupers must've traded about the crotches of all those rich stuck-up jackasses parading around in codpieces

so, thanks all round!

your clothes may be
beau brummel-ly
they stand out a mile, but brother
you're never fully dressed
without a smile!

hey dapper dan - hey hobo man -
you've both got your style, but brother
you're never fully dressed
without a smile!

who cares what they're wearing
on main street or savile row?
it's what you wear from ear to ear (to ear)
and not from head to toe....
that matters

ah the lovely boylan sisters!
doot dootle doot doot, doot dootle doot doot
doot doot doot doot doot doot DOOT

hey senator - hey janitor
you both got your style, but brother
you're never fully dressed
without a smile!

(from memory)

We have a current idea of how pants are "supposed" to fit but where did that idea come from and why shouldn't we expect it to change?

Well, technically I'd say we have a current idea of many different types of pants/clothes, and how they're each individually "supposed" to work. For instance, skinny jeans are supposed to fit differently than the pants from a wool suit. A Hawaiian shirt's supposed to fit differently than a dress shirt. Part of the fit is about comfort and part of it is style. You could wear a tight-fitting Hawaiian shirt, but if you wore it to Hawaii you'd get hot and sweaty (comfort) and if you wore it on a date you'd look confusing, because why the fuck does your tight shirt have a Hawaiian print (style)? Or you could wear a pair of skinny jeans that were, say, randomly baggy immediately around your knees and nowhere else, but I'm guessing it would feel really awkward (comfort), and it's probably not the look you were shooting for when you picked up the skinny jeans to begin with (style).

The style part changes all the time, sure, because it's style. Like having the neck-hole of your sweatshirt droop over your shoulder -- that may or may not be comfortable to someone, but the bigger issue is that it reminds people of the early 80s and dance studios and may seem more or less ridiculous at different moments. But if you loved Flashdance and wanted a sweatshirt that did that, there are certain ways of cutting out the neck that will achieve your goal, and certain ways that will look awkward and feel stupid. Even with a given type of clothes isn't generally "in," there still tends to be a range of workable ways for it to fit and look. Wearing corduroy flares was a lot more mainstream-fashionable in the late 90s than it is today, but whether it's then or now, there's a way of making them that'll fit your body nicely, be flattering, and create the style/look you're aiming for. Same with if you were in the late 90s and wanted to wear skinny jeans, because you loved the Ramones.

And then there really are long-term changes in style! Like one reason old men wear their pants up high is because that's seriously where the waists of men's pants used to be, and the pants were cut to work that way. The idea of waists and how normal pants fit has significantly changed. But really lots of common clothes are not super-affected by these cycles of style -- like for basic button shirts or chinos or jeans ... colors and details might change, but the basics of fitting with human body shape (and what we expect "pants" to look like) are not so incredibly variable, at least in the short term of our lives.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0qt5b0bWr1qbo0jfo1_400.jpg

^^ I mean, look where the waist is. It's part of a coherent aesthetic of how the clothes work together to be wearable and look a certain way. And if you saw this picture and went "aww sweet I want to dress like Poirot from now on," you might need clothes that fit that way too.

For instance, skinny jeans are supposed to fit differently than the pants from a wool suit.

uh... no. you can get a suit tailored however you like. but many, many designers made skinny, ultra fitted suits in 07 08 and even 09 seasons. i have a paul smith suit that is very fitted... as much as a pair of skinny jeans are.

Wearing corduroy flares was a lot more mainstream-fashionable in the late 90s than it is today...

I swear to god, fashion talk on ILX is kinda like hearing your grandparents talk about sex. Sorry nabby, not feeling this post at all. This is one of the 0.01% of the times you are not OTM.

dude, keep in mind I am not talking about fashion-fashionable -- I mean mainstream-fashionable like "what's in Urban Outfitters" here!

and I know there are suits every bit as slim as anyone's jeans, but I'm talking about the difference between skinny jeans and like classic thick-wool winter trousers with a heavy crease here.

flares/bootcuts were the trendy retro fit of the 90s! i'm with nabisco on this one. dunno about corduroy tho.

i remember buying some todd oldham flared cords from Century 21 in... 1999? they fell apart in like a year. they fit great but those were some fuckin badly made pants.

boot <> flare

flares were only "mainstream trendy" once in history.

Yeah sorry, that's my wording issue -- late 90s popular stuff seemed to me like a big boot cut almost sometimes verging on an actual flare

Then somehow the boot cut trickled down to like Old Navy pre-teen clothing so quickly that MY DAD, who is NOT FROM THIS COUNTRY, once said my old boot-cut pants looked like a 12-year-old girl's

You have no idea, the shame involved, the horror

hahaha

i was wrong up there too... actually flares came back in the late 70s... that's pretty incredible.

http://clothingtutor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/criminal-damage-ollie-jeans.jpg

^^ has this phenomenon ever been fully explained

Try the "Ask Jaxon" thread.

i remember my mom telling me that bellbottoms in the 60s were - for her, at least, and i guess a few others - ALREADY RETRO, viz: sailor pants from WWII with the big bellbottom

one of the real achilles heels of those todd oldham cords was that they were constructed like jeans except they had NO RIVETS, so the stitching of one of the back pocket corners just basically fell out; a few months later the other corner of that pocket - still stitched - pulled down and ripped a big hole down the ass of my pants

I cannot believe how long this thread is

also nothing looks too weird about the fit of the actual pants (that thumbnail at the top is clearly a different story) but the colors are awful.

have been ordering/returning pants from this company this week.

pretty awesome imo.

i get kenneth cole dress pants at TJ MAXX for $29.00 marked down from $115. BONOBOS MY ASS.

why the eff do i have this thread bookmarked

you like pants.

fire.

http://i.imgur.com/xNAdm.jpg

heh heh

lol a buddy of mine works for these guys

awesome cargo shorts, bronobo

(the joke is bonobos doesn't make cargo shorts)

(get it? get it?)

the bonobos pants I ordered online don't fit well at all

not going back there

not that there is a "there" to go back to but still

i got a pair and they fit better in the ass/crotch/hips than most pants but they're too baggy for my liking at the bottom (even though theyre straight leg and not bootcut) and when i took them to my tailor, she said she couldn't taper them for me cause they were double-stitched :(

yeah i got two pairs and they are really surprisingly baggy! they're comfy and acceptable for wearing to work but they're not as rad as i hoped.

they had some "skinny" cut ones for a minute but it looks like they're gone now

yeah, i had the exactly same problem- it was like they were balloon-ing out, kinda

i didn't order "bootcut" either, so I was suprrised by the lines-

I didn't expect "skinny jeans" style, but I didn't want it that roomy- the waist itself was correct but they just felt big n boxy

Troy of Minnesota is one of our best and most enthusiastic customers. He recently asked for some advice on which pants to buy for a trip to Vegas. I asked him what the occasion was, and his answer became a kind of manifesto of fraternal mischief. Troy and his buds were headed to Vegas for their Manniversary. Read on!

http://www.bonobos.com/blog/testimonials/the-manniversary/

Gross.

heh this thread was fun

http://www.bonobos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/troyandlucas.jpg

I mean, really.

I didn't expect "skinny jeans" style, but I didn't want it that roomy- the waist itself was correct but they just felt big n boxy

That offers hope that they might fit people w stockier/athletic builds? elmo, perhaps this is the pant for you??

I rode next to a chunky guy wearing silvery bonabos on the bus yesterday. He wore white flip-flops and a white t-shirt with the sleeves cut off. He had spraycolored his faux-hawk silver, and he wore silver contact lenses. He said 'bro' a lot, and appeared to be brown-bagging a bottle of hooch.

that transcends douchebaggery and manages to warp back into wtf-awesome

Definitely. Like, I wouldn't want to hang out with that guy for long but I feel a happy satisfaction that he exists.

yeah laurel i am reluctant to join league with troy, corey, et al. but maybe these are on option for a dude like me with tree trunk thighs

I know I know... But I mean, pants that fit?

Signed, Your sister in solid-thighed solidarity

Guys I know who have bought from Bonobos have a high opinion of the quality of their clothes.

who wears orang epants

Nair wears orang epants

taht remeinds me I want to start a thread called "what kind a undies do you wear?

dudes i have some pretty giant thighs/asscheeks too and i'm saying these fit great there, its just from the knee down they fit like khakis from the GAP circa 1997, even the "straightleg" ones.

i ordered a 2nd pair that should arrive next week and i'll see how they fit/if my tailor can taper them.

http://www.bonobos.com/store/item/Floral_Print_Pant

NO

Wow!

i'm kind of into it

Lookin' like a Trader Joe's shopping bag.

I could certainly see gr80 pulling that look off

they're called pollenators

pants that make a statement: I detest your eyeballs.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nbYdNetvTOg/SWyxZ3rRI_I/AAAAAAAAE68/5NY4TVCF7lI/s320/Gucci_Patchwork_Laceups1.jpg

shoes that make the statement: I wear no sox

socks are for suckers

impossible to make a wrong color choice when you go soxless

I really like those shoes!

They would look great with Bonobo's Pollenator pants.

http://bonobos.cachefly.net/store/images/products/PNT-PPF-XX/PNT-PPF_full_02.jpg

i am not completely averse to the idea of floral pants but that is just an ugly print imo

how could anyone hate on those??

I went to law school with this complete tool who wore those red sailing pants a lot and I could see him in these.

(tbf I agree w/ elmo - floral pants are fine but not that print.)

probly because the puckered anus motif right on the ass is a shade on the wrong side of tastefulness, i'm guessing.

x-post

jeez ~live~ a little

Jenny and elmo OTM

I don't know where on ILX to turn with this question except here. The rest of the Internet has failed me, except the parts I didn't look at b/c I got bored. So I ask you: How can I tell if I really do not look good wearing red, or if just think I look bad in red b/c I used to dislike the color red and now I think it makes me look bad. I don't even know what "bad" is, anymore.

Broader question: How can I tell which colors look good with my skin tone? I can't see myself - results of trying are like when you say a word until it loses meaning or when you overwhelm your olfactory system with perfume and you need to sniff coffee beans.

The "seasons" system is overrun with lunacy - takes and variations and contradictions - plus staunch opponents of the whole thing. Anyway, I have a really hard time with determining whether I'm warm or cool toned.

Broadest question: Is it really that complicated? Is the whole matter of dressing to suit your skin tone by and large a non-issue? I like greys, black, greens, and blues (earth tones), but I am tired of them, so should I just start wearing red until I stop feeling scared?

I had a crisis of self-perception today while in a Banana Republic changing room with three red shirts and one blue/grey one. I need help.

I know this thread is about pants, but come on.

Also, I bought a red shirt.

post pics of you in red imo

a good rule to follow is "if you have to ask..."

(i often break that rule)

you need a friend you trust to go shopping with you imo

everyone needs at least one friend who will be brutally honest about your fashion choices

also i think dressing to suit your skin tone is probably silly

a good rule to follow is "if you have to ask..."

Honestly, the problem is that I have to ask about all colors, especially today. I mean, I am no longer sure I should wear black, which I've always felt very at home in. I'm pretty sure that's the psychosis talking tho. (I have a little over-thinking problem.)

Well, there is a certain peach colored shirt in my history that I thought looked just lovely on me, but when a couple very honest friends organized an intervention over it, I realized that there is such a thing as "not my color."

I took pics of me in the red shirt, but I deleted them. I'll take another.

So, yes, max, you're right. I have a couple friends who I think can help, and I need to move from shopping only when the mood strikes to more goal-oriented shopping?

But I'd like this conversation to be about color in general, not just me.

And if there is a more appropriate thread, please let me know. I tried ILS but didn't find a color thread.

anyone can wear black imo

just dont buy ugly black clothes

i wear a lot of earth tones

also i have a theory that literally everyone looks good in blue or black gingham

Are there colors that you would say don't work for you?

no, not really

there are colors i _don't like_

so like peach might not really work for me? (probably not?) but i wouldnt wear it anyway because i dont like it very much

Maybe my peach shirt was just ugly.

i am not really a good person to take fashion advice from, also i dont really have any advice

basically i wait for my girlfriend to tell me she likes a shirt and then i buy 2 more of it in different colors

(earth tones)

Here is ILXor johnny crunch in a similarly-colored orange shirt, thinkin' and HE looks okay in it, IMO

http://i54.tinypic.com/ico4le.jpg

Jesse, i think you would look nice in red!

my feeling is that its important to be open to all possibilities in fashion, i think it is totally possible for orange/peach shirts to be good looking

remember in the 90s when men would wear supersaturated colors, like keenan ivory wayans on in living color or taye diggs in go? that ruled.

trick is this: put off shopping until your clothes are basically disintegrating (can be anywhere from one to twenty years depending on what you get up to), go to store(s) in state of complete desperation, stare almost snow-blind at the surfeit of options, have minor panic attack, buy a bunch of shit just to get the fuck out of there, wear that stuff until it stops seeming ugly or ill-fitting and just becomes your wardrobe, put off shopping until...

i have clothed myself in this manner for nearly 18 years now, and have drawn only intermittent stares and rude comments.

http://i.imgur.com/hJCbr.jpg

The Red Shirt

The Shitty Photo

The Annoyed Dad Face

looks fine to me!

Thank you, Max. Your mother raised you and Buff to be kind young men.

i think that shirt looks good on you, jesse.

yeah that is a nice shirt. it is hard to go wrong with those sorts of shirts.

Thank you, Max. Your mother raised you and Buff to be kind young men.

― weakness for Cinnabon; rampant heterosexuality (Je55e), Wednesday, July 27, 2011 5:56 PM (4 minutes ago)

this post made me lol way more than it should have

but max and estela otm: that is a perfectly acceptable shirt-- does it have a yellow stripe in the pattern too?

Thanks. I like the shirt, but I was having some questions back at the store and on the ride home. Change can be hard, and except for a t-shirt I wear to the gym, I am almost positive that this is my only red article of clothing.

No yellow. Various reds, grey/taupe background, and narrow blue double stripes.

Also, going back in this thread to the topic of fit - I can tell a major difference in fit of Banana Republic and H&M and Old Navy shirts. After a decade of shopping at H&M and Old Navy, I bought a BR button up shirt and I kept commenting "This shirt is shaped like a shirt!" and so were subsequent BR shirts. It turned out that a shirt shaped like a shirt is another way of saying "fit."

now you know.

its also good to learn to not be intimidated by taking shit to a tailor: it doesnt have to be a fancy rich person thing!! its rad when you can spend a few extra bucks and make a shirt you like actually fit you!!! even/especially shit from the thrift store!!!

That shirt looks really good on you, Jesse! I like you in that style of shirt.

The problems with that peach shirt extended far beyond the color, homie, although the color was definitely hideous.

yeah that is a nice shirt. it is hard to go wrong with those sorts of shirts.

i was gonna say "except we can't tell from that photo whether it fits" but you're already on top of that so yeah

that's def a nice shirt

yeah jesse, that looks pretty good on you! when you said "red shirt" i had assumed you meant a solid red, which i think can be kinda tricky. but red & white is pretty un-fuck-uppable imo.

i do believe that different colors look best on different people's skin -- i just don't think you can discover what colors work for you without a bunch trial & error.

it should be pointed out tho that 'red' is not just one color, but a whole range of colors -- there are tomato reds and scarlets and blood reds and cherry reds and crimsons, bright reds and dark reds etc etc -- so i think there's opportunity for everyone to wear 'red' if they find one that looks good on them.

Thanks for the opinions, everyone. Man, that is a shitty picture. iPhone 4 is supposed to take 5 megapixel pics, but that looks terrible. There are details in the print that make it pretty sweet.

its also good to learn to not be intimidated by taking shit to a tailor: it doesnt have to be a fancy rich person thing!! its rad when you can spend a few extra bucks and make a shirt you like actually fit you!!! even/especially shit from the thrift store!!!

Last year I was like, OK, I'm going to start going to a tailor! So I looked at Yelp reviews and took some pants and a jacket to one that seemed good, but it was not what I was hoping for. I wanted a little guidance, but when I asked for her viewpoint, she just said, "It's up to you. Whatever you think." I kind of lost steam after that.

Jenny, maybe you can recommend a tailor?? (I went to one at Broadway near Cornelia.)

Also, I want to learn to do alterations! I have been hemming my own pants and I altered my favorite T-shirt, which was HUGE, and those projects turned out fine, but I want to learn to do more complicated stuff.

And elmo, I hear you, but my question is really "which particular red looks good on me," which can be answered with the help of a shopping friend. I wish you could be my shopping buddy - you have great style! Oh - and I saw a guy outside of the Banana Rep. on Mich. Ave. who looked like a travel size duplicate of you, right down to the interesting facial hair.

You should ask him to be your shopping buddy!

Well, he was dressed pretty ratty, so I'm going to stick with asking Jenny and C0urtn3y.

I was going to say the same as Elmo re: solid red v red plaid.

Also you asked me about large v small patterns on the phone and what I did not have time to say is this: I'm personally skeptical of large swaths of large florals on me bc they make me feel like a sofa but it's really a matter of comfort. Like, I don't think fat ppl should avoid floral prints bc some folks can rock the upholstered look.

I think finding your colors is similar. If I wear a color that doesn't look right on me, I feel cruddy about what I'm wearing and can't wait to go home and change. When I wear a good color I feel pretty great and want to go out for drinks after work. I think there's more objective basis for feeling good/bad in certain colors whereas the print question is more about personal taste and trends, but the decision making process is similar for me.

I will end with some Opinions: I think you look best in slightly tailored clothes, like BR shirts and the shorts you wore to Home Goods.

Part of the problem with The Peach T-shirt is that it is too big/shapeless and you wore it with sloppy-ish shorts. If you really like that color, maybe look for it in a button down and see whether Ct and I run shrieking in horror from you.

If I wear a color that doesn't look right on me, I feel cruddy about what I'm wearing and can't wait to go home and change. When I wear a good color I feel pretty great and want to go out for drinks after work.

Yes! That is what trial and error is, not a 15 minute meditation in a changing room! I guess the same is true re dressing my gut.

Elmo linked to a "big thighs" style blog - I would like to see something like that for thick guys. It's got to be out there... "How to Dress Your Eskimo" or something.

http://i.imgur.com/om5IV.gif

brb ordering five pairs

lol

i always choose the boots that give an CHA bonus instead of WIS or INT

― terrible poster (Lamp), Friday, June 4, 2010 3:47 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea lamp but does the CHA boost help ur saving throw against *being judged*?

― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Friday, June 4, 2010 3:51 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

what *big dance* are they referring to in that ad?

sex dance

ncaa tournament--basketball--snap-off warmup pants

or sex dance, up to you

going with a preppy-themed male strip performance aka sex dance

having a good enough season to qualify for the NCAA basketball tournament is often referred to as "getting to the big dance"

hm.

"tear off your pants for basketball"

big basketball sex dance

^^bought that VHS on christopher st. about ten years ago

sex pants for ballers?

hahah

How many of the guys who buy these pants are going to lose them to drive by sex pants snatchers?

players who do not "start" a basketball game usually wear warm-up pants with snaps down the sides so that they can remove them quickly when they are called up from the bench to play

not that any of this means it makes sense for bonobos to make tear-away chinos

What if you need to wear a belt with them? That's going to seriously impede the tearing away process.

those are some of the most ridiculous pants I've ever seen, and I've seen penis pants

http://io9.com/monkey-news/

Now I remember where I've seen pants like that before - don't The Chippendales wear them?

Do they have those in infant sizes? They look great for diaper changes.

iirc chip n' dale don't wear pants, being rodents

those females who were invited to have sex by higher-ranking females would make a series of calls apparently meant to make sure the group at large knew about the coupling.

The alpha females have since moved onto Twitter...

sadly the men who wear tearaway pants are not usually the kind of men that I would want to see without pants

http://i.imgur.com/o1M51.jpg

hahahah

welp

wow

so do you fill out your bracket before or after

and are the brackets erasable y/n

order two pair of pants obv

"hey gr80 who did you have winning Duke vs AZ State?"
*rips off pants* *looks at bracket*
"Duke"

good call

sex brackets?

^ DU b-side

bracketed balls

Wait how are these pants much diff from chavvy Kappa ones?

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/f/7/AAAAAuJ1KLsAAAAAAA99Jg.jpg?v=1163205103000

because they are chinos

Trayce it will help identify the dudes who DON'T drive Commodores

Also then you cant call them kappa slappas.

Bonobo bobos?

Bono bogans

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/stores-go-online-to-find-a-perfect-fit/

coming soon to nordstrom.

oh man, I hope that is not supposed to be a good picture of that guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgCbegtw0JM

I'm starting a new job next month and want to upgrade my business casual wardrobe completely. Je55e just told me to make a Bonobos appointment, so I did that. My primary focus is on pants, comfortable ones that can work with my weight fluctuations. Then simple work shirts. I just want a really boring, but nice, comfortable/good fit wardrobe for work.

Also low stress shopping.

Go to Uniqlo.

My wife recently described me, all too otm, as Old Navy by day and Uniqlo by night.

bonobos kinda starting to become the new jos. a. bank imo

Their pants are pretty good for officewear but a little overpriced. Their dress shirts I haven't been happy with. I would never buy their suits, and the worst item I got from them was a pair of "suiting pants" on sale that wore a hole in the seat very quickly.

Everlane makes good slim chinos that are a little cheaper.