Scott Pilgrim - The Movie

think this is gonna suck hard

h8 the trailer so much, especially the bit where the sign in dude's head goes from 'no clue' to 'gets it'

this isn't an anti-michael cera thing coz i liked 'youth in revolt'

comic bk is ghastly indie toss, so yeah, movie will prob suck too

trailer always seems to go down REALLY badly w/ 'yoof' audiences whenevs i see it before another flick - like, zero laughs and utter indiff

but i am not an edgar wright stan, so ymmv

some talk already here: Scott Pilgrim!

yeah but it's on i love comics

we're living in a SNA era

yeah this looks pretty great and am psyched for it.

sincerely, thank you

yeah this looks pretty great and am psyched for it.

― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:14 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

no worries man, i start threads all the time

uh8everything.com imo

i liked 'youth in revolt'

― sites.younglife.org:8080 (history mayne), Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:34 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

well shut my mouth

tell us again what a genius terry pratchett is

I've high hopes for this, Edgar Wright seems like a perfect choice for this type of material. Respectful to the material but confident enough to put his own twist on it. As for teens, my 15 year old geek nerd son is well stoked for this

xp real talk, he's gone off the boil probably since Feet of Clay

i see SPEED RACER afoot which excites me

the bit where the sign in dude's head goes from 'no clue' to 'gets it'

^ bit i liked best in the trailer, even if it is heavy-handed "i'm so clever' gimmickery for ADD eye-candy boys...wait replace 'even if' with 'because'

idk anything about scott pilgrim so just quickly Whyyyyy does he have to kill all her exes?

cos they're all evil opponents a la streetfighter or something

one thing that makes me think this movie is going to bomb is that aspie internet nerds who aren't already into comics melt down when confronted with the fantastical video game shit in SP. like the guy who was first in line with a custom-made t-shirt when i went to see snakes on a plane is prob asking a savvy friend to explain the 1UP and not accepting his response as i type

also,

michael cera

he doesn't have to kill her exes

i think this could be fun. edgar wright makes pretty fun movies.

looks stylish and it has michael cera in

This looks fun. I want the game, too, which is straight River City Ransom / Metal Slug / side-scrolling beat-em-up. Only it's available just for next-gen consoles. Bleah.

Good cast (Schwartzmann as villain, Alison Pill, Anna Kendrick, her?), Edgar Wright, fun-looking effects - looks better than basically every other summer flick that isn't called Inception.

It can't be worse than the comic.

I really dug this. Edgar Wright is the man.

Yeah, saw this tonight. Very funny. Kieran Culkin and Allison Pill steal the film.

ya it's pretty fun eh

Also, this must be most Canadian movie of all time that is not actually a Canadian production.

huh, is this out already?

also:

one thing that makes me think this movie is going to bomb is that aspie internet nerds who aren't already into comics melt down when confronted with the fantastical video game shit in SP. like the guy who was first in line with a custom-made t-shirt when i went to see snakes on a plane is prob asking a savvy friend to explain the 1UP and not accepting his response as i type

seriously, who are the 'aspie internet nerds' for whom this is an unfamiliar trope?? insanity

the canadian-ness is pretty great.

more i think about it tho the more i think the lead lady is this movie's biggest problem, she was kind of a drip, knives stole every scene from under her

Yeah, but I think she needed an every-lady quality. Plus it results in Kinves' excellent last line.

The real question is if all the "established" crit reviews are going to read like this.

i just thought she was kinda unlikeable and they had no chemistry

3. P.U. comments:
July 29, 2010
Honeycutt? More like HoneyBUTT, cause you stink as a critic!

that's fair. actually I thought Kim Pine was almost as awesome as Knives, wish she'd gotten more screentime. xp

she just seemed a little joyless for a Girl of His Dreams

I think they were going for "troubled but ultimately pleasant" and she/they overplayed it a bit much.

Mind you they redeemed her a little with the sequence where she pulls a large object out of her purse. (keeping it spoiler-free for the kidz.)

that was pretty excellent

as was the "bi-curious" line

the energy of all those scenes was really great

Scott Pilgrim -- O'Malley flatters himself by borrowing the last name of Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse-Five" hero

haha, oops?

lol

did u fidn it weird that anna kendrick was his YOUNGER sister? she didnt look 18 and she played a much more older-sister role. felt there were a few things like that where wright might have done better to not be 100% faithful to the comic

also what'sherface's bellbottom jeans

1. Kirk Honeycutt comments:
July 29, 2010
I suck at my job and life in general. I apologize. I'm going to do the world a favor take a handful of sleeping pills slug it down with some Jamesons and read Kurt Vonnegut until the darkness comes.

much more older-sister

Totally. (Though it speaks to Scott's immaturity that at 22 he is going to his 19-year-old sister for advice.) In retrospect I have a few nitpicky problems like that but I can't remember the last time I walked out of a comedy thinking I needed to see it again just to catch all the jokes (aural, visual, and otherwise), so mostly I'm just happy that Wright is getting to make the kind of movies he obviously enjoys making.

Also you could totally tell he'd been reunited w/ one of his editors from Spaced; love that style, zippy and efficient but never confusing or disorienting.

wow, I did not realize that review had 55 comments. yikes.

I just cant see any non-fanboy/girl seeing this movie. The ad campaign makes it seem way too goofy for hipster types and way to hipster-ish for the squares. Also dont think Michael Cera has alot of mainstream appeal and his schtick is getting old..

I think that's probably wrong on all counts but whatever.

also who cares

One of the aspects that highlighted the transition from book to movie form for me was that _sound effects_ got laughs, especially one in particular(you know the one) from about 10 of us in the audience.

Mary Elizabeth Winstead was fine for me as the it girl, but Michael Cera was the wrong choice. Scott Pilgrim is far more of a loudmouth braggart than a bog standard Cera-type nebbish.

kind of amazed that scott pilgrim reads to anyone as a 'loudmouth braggart'

also, i feel like people are really underestimating/unaware the extent to which video game tropes are pretty much standard order reference points for an entire generation now? i mean, go see the thread where people bitch about chillwave band names.

i mean the complaint i'd be tempted to make is that ultimately their deployment doesn't amount to much more than pandering? but that's more from the books, and i don't know exactly how they're treated in the movie yet, it not being out here, yet.

it's not pandering, the whole thing is steeped in videogamery.

well, yes

I think what s10ck is saying is that "pandering" = half-assed, cynical use of something in order to cater to a demographic, whereas SP more or less fully merges w/ videogame tropes/visuals (probably more than any movie ever).

yeah, i mean the comic (and the movie) are so clearly inspired by this stuff, so steeped in it, that it would be like saying... i dunno... that the dark knight is "pandering" to comics fans. sorta meaningless in this context

Well, yeah, I associate pandering with fan service, and I didn't get that from this flick. Pandering would be just tossing off a few things as fan service(like putting sandpeople during a pod-race), rather than something that's completely constructed from the subject matter.

"Slapshot" is not a movie that panders to a hockey crowd by tossing off hockey refs, it's a hockey film. "Scott Pilgrim" is constructed from manga, anime, video games, and indie rock, and as such, these things are present in the film.

xp exactly

just because o'malley is a videogame-playing indie-listening manga-reading nerd doesn't mean he can't create art which panders to v.-p. i.-l. m.-r. nerds, you guys

"pander to" and "appeal to" seem basically the same thing in that context

the only difference is that pander just gives that observation a kind of meaningless cynical edge

the difference would be something like 'is critically engaged with all the nerd stuff it is deploying' and 'is just, you know, doing it because, you know, it totally makes sense to people like me'. i mean, don't get me wrong, i laughed at 'sweet! COINS!' too

Yeah, it's like at a certain point, it becomes akin to and as self-defeating as arguing about "real authenticity"

I swore the first time I saw the trailer when Scott grabbed the 1UP that he said "I'm getting one life!" Was sad to see I was wrong :(

i think the comics are most interesting where malley's kind of straddling the line between critical and celebratory of the very particular mindset/idiom he's dealing with -- the bit with kim in the new one that revisits the river city ransom scene is the best example

i think they're worse when the moral is 'and then scott grew up, and learnt that nerd stuff is okay, but having a romantic relationship is more important'

that said, you know, i still love'em, and will probably see the film week of release, if not day of

accusing scott pilgrim of pandering feels truer than not altho i guess its just more 'unthinking' than anything.

this movie looks so terrible btw but then i didnt like the comix v much at all

u might not like it

seems likely

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6xafhRnDw1qzsgmzo1_500.jpg

low hanging fruit, but I lold

ruined the joke with the "really"

i know

also, i feel like people are really underestimating/unaware the extent to which video game tropes are pretty much standard order reference points for an entire generation now? i mean, go see the thread where people bitch about chillwave band names.

― thomp, Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:41 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

feel super estranged from this generaish

:(

Really liked this! I am admittedly a huge fan of the books, but going in, that could've swung me either way - Wright really nailed the tone of it, and the casting overall was pretty dead on. Kieran Culkin was a surprise.

seeing this tmrrw and trying to be as pumped as i can be

i want to enjoy it really but combo of videogame, comic book, and indie memes augurs ill

but... why see it then? it's not exactly hiding its appeal

I haven't read Scott Pilgrim but I love Edgar Wright so I had high hopes for the movie, but this review had made me worry it's going to be a disappointment.

but... why see it then?

i ain't allergic to getting paid

not sure the huffington post is the target audience here

It made Michael Cera sound even creepier than usual.

it's not exactly hiding its appeal

movies certainly hiding its appeal from me

you should see it then, sounds like it's up your alley

lol im "giving it a chance" - going to see it on sat.

and on Sunday Lamp will begin to tell all of us that liked the movie why we so stupid

i bet he'll be a convert

Really want to see this, as long as it has tons of trick edits and weird graphic effects.

it does.

Oh good! Really my misgivings are mostly tied to the Michael Cera-ness of this movie.

he's good!

My misgivings are mostly tied to not enough stuff flying up in the screen, i really hope its as ADD as some reviews make it out to be.

The main love interest does look pretty bored in the trailers but frankly i wouldn't mind seeing a silly movie with "an erratic moral compass" where "nothing is at stake" but reality is presented as some kind of hyper stylized cartoon/videogame. The past few years I've seen my share of movies with large gaping plotholes and illogical physics and at least it seems like SP isn't pretending to be 'gritty' or 'serious'.

I wonder how long before we see a full-length movie done 16-bit videogame style...

seeing this tmrrw and trying to be as pumped as i can be

i want to enjoy it really but combo of videogame, comic book, and indie memes augurs ill

i will go instead of you and tell you what to write if you like!

i am generous like that.

kind of counting on the free food

u get free food @ press screenings?!

* moves to england *

u get free food @ press screenings?!

― snooki stackhouse (s1ocki), Wednesday, August 11, 2010 3:57 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

and booze sometimes!

not always, though, it varies, but this is universal, and they seem to be making a fuss, which means that it's p likely

i'll be mad pissed if not

'but in the end the emotional message of the film rang hollow like my stomach'

think I'm gonna not go opening night, cuz I tend to feel like the A. extra-annoying people and the B. "event" feel of it ruin movies for me more often than not. means I'll hafta wait til Saturday afternoon :/.

free english food -- c/d?

sorry, guess I really have gone native

i had no idea it was incarcerated

more often than not it's minor -- sarnies, crisps. but at 'get him to the greek' it was mother effing pizza express pizza. get. in.

hahaaa you must keep an xls

that was a universal picture too, y'see. everything is planning.

unsurprisingly, the press screening of 'sideways' i went to was swimming in free booze (maybe why it got such gd reviews in the uk)?

Frankly i don't see why movie theaters don't do that more. Even a shitty movie can be entertaining if you are suitably plastered.

figured out a 'way to like this' strategy, hope it works

good luck dog

ty man

i liked the other two edgar wright films, and spaced, i liked gd 'youth in revolt' so

Spaced was amaaaaaaaaazing.

Saw it last week, wasn't expecting much and REALLY enjoyed it. Way better than the trailer made it look, although that's true of about 99% of releases these days.

I'm not that much of a comic-reading videogame-playing nerd yet it didn't seem full of in-jokes (maybe I just didn't notice them), in fact I kind of felt I *was* the target audience in places. Lots of fun. My o/h said it reminded him a lot of Spaced, too.

I can't wait to see this, though probably getting sucked into the build up a bit too much, getting excited over every bit of new info they release. Currently the obsession is over the original soundtrack score by Nigel Godrich, which is great.

Still two weeks to wait for me...

I'm torn - love Edgar Wright but hate the source material. Might just rent instead of seeing it in the theater.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/08/03/exclusive-video-scott-pilgrim-animated-short-adult-swim/

the prequel cartoons are airing on adult swim tomorrow night during the commercial breaks between midnight and 12:30 am

i've been consciously avoiding whatever the fuck this is

i should just wander into random new music threads and say that

I'm torn - love Edgar Wright but hate the source material.

^seriously

the clips on hbo are a lot more promising than the trailer

Armond White likes:

http://www.nypress.com/article-21507-the-dweeb-that-would-rule-the-world.html

welp this was a blast imo

there u go

My 35-yr old housemate didn't think much of it (and he's a huge Edgar Wright fan); I wonder how sharp the generational divide will be on this.

I turned 34 today and I LOVED this at the preview screening

Armond calling Cera a 21st-century Sterling Holloway = CLASSIC

(I dare anyone under 50 to tell me who S.H. was w/out googling)

um um um... can i have a picture?

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/mel-blanc-sterling-holloway-daws-butler-or-don-messick/question-754751/?link=ibaf&imgurl=http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000754751/polls_sterling_holloway_disney_voice_artist_1937_5050_626094_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg&q=sterling%2Bholloway

sorry, Google images just changed, all fucked up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_Holloway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_in_the_Box

just saw this, so awesome! haven't read the comics. edgar wright was there, he gave everybody in the theater a high five before they started the movie.

i am 40+ and who the fuck is sterling holloway

movie looks awesome btw

my roommate just came into my room and dumped all the comics in my lap.

not to be confused w stanley holloway or sterling hayden

feel a bit let down by history mayne tbh, still holding out for lamp to be a hata

sorry bro

maybe it works *better* if you know jack shit about computer games, comics, indie?

maybe life works better if you know jack shit abt computer games, comics, indie?

lol

maybe life works better if you know jack shit abt computer games, comics, indie?

but how could you ever possibly know?

i loved this movie!

Is this worth seeing for 6 dollars? I know next to NOTHING about it other than it stars Michael Cera. But it's showing at the local flea pit and was thinking of going. Or I can see The Expendables haha

this was awesome

Go! Films are always way better when you know nothing about them anyway.

OK. we will go and I will post my impressions

As much as I hate agreeing with Armond White, this was dope. I didn't even hate Michael Cera.

i liked this, it was fun, but... this was by far the most annoying version of michael cera-playing-michael cera i've seen. i just didn't buy him or ramona as particularly interesting characters.

is edgar wright a stan for the smashing pumpkins??

This was a gallon of fun in a quart jar.

xp the third volume of the book was actually titled Scott Pilgrim & The Infinite Sadness

The actress playing Ramona reminded me a lot of Laura Linney. I think Kieran Culkin was going for Bill-Murray-in-Tootsie.

is edgar wright a stan for the smashing pumpkins??

I did think "Ned is going to love this movie!" when I was watching it. It has a very early 90s-ish vibe to me, which as an old person I appreciated.

Seeing this tomorrow, I think. Excited!!

i am a nostalgic stan for SP, so i def liked the references

OK it was very fun, but could not care about Ramona and the lack of any real plot made it feel longer than it was.

yeah, the worst thing about the adaptation was that it dropped lots of the characters, most of the character development, and ALL of the actual plot in order to squeeze all the fights into one movie

is edgar wright a stan for the smashing pumpkins??

Scott is wearing that shirt in the very first panel he appears in book one. He has the same initials. Edgar Wright did not do the comic.

he has the same initials, but he was also named after some song so

he wears the pumpkins t-shirt with the SP initials in a heart twice in the movie, and also the pumpkins 'zero' t-shirt.

he was number 0 in a way

the humor in this movie rocked my world

could of swore that one of the songs in the movie was an old-school zelda song that I love

was this in the film?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaFOqQ-y6J0&feature=related

I did think "Ned is going to love this movie!" when I was watching it. It has a very early 90s-ish vibe to me, which as an old person I appreciated.

I understand the sentiment and that conclusion but (I blush to admit) I honestly don't have any interest in this film at all! Or the comic for that matter. I'm sure if I was 19 I'd be all over it, based on some student workers I know these days, but I'm not and I already went through the early nineties. (And nothing against Edgar Wright at all; I saw Hot Fuzz again earlier this week at a local theatre.)

I just found out that the fairy zelda music was in the film (forgot to use google)
They used the version from The Ocarina of Time

Well here is a list of pop culture references anyways. A lot of good comments - spoilerish

I thought this movie was only supposed to appeal to kids who know how to get from Hot Topic to Gamestop at their local mall.

just because it was rated t for teen?

I thought this movie was only supposed to appeal to kids who know how to get from Hot Topic to Gamestop at their local mall.

you didn't think it would appeal to the same people who read the books?

one thing i don't get -- people that work for Amazon.com dont' deliver their own packages, they use UPS/Fed Ex/Lasership/USPS, etc...

I guess it was true to the book but it is surprising to see that it is going over so well among people that aren't part of that relentlessly targeted demographic. Was everyone here fans of the book prior to the movie?

I wasn't. I didn't know of its existence.

I hated hated hated the books (although I only got through 1.5 of them) for many reasons going into this -- the bored pretentious hipster attitiude of the protagonist, the forced and floppy references to Toronto (i sort of know the city, enough to get his strained attempts to big up it), the repulsive misogyny on display alllll the time, the extreme othering of (a) women (b) queers (c) "non-white" people (literally the term used to describe someone at one point... non-white... and that someone dated this non-white guy to be cool or something)... I found it all so shitty and sickening and the exact opposite kind of pollution i wanted in my head (i prefer other pollution obv) -- but I went and saw the movie anyway (my roommates are in <3 with this so they brought me for my bday).

The film somewhat transcends the shitty shitty shittiness of the books through (A) edgar wright making it a bit more sweet and (B) michael cera being surprisingly good at delivering lines that I HATED from the book in a way i thought was ADORABLE (in the books for example at the beginning scott pilgrim feigns being a luddite type dude and is like "oh look i ahve mail! i'm totally reading it right now!" and then skims it and says "boooooooooooring" and closes it. READS SO FUCKNIG IRRITATING. but then michael cera says it and you're kinda like aww!) This is coming from someone who thinks Cera is okay but not the best. He really makes me hate the character less (through his speech though, his actions are still THE WORST).

re: the Toronto thing I REALLY love how Edgar Wright's references to the city were actually very understated in a lot of cases, and felt intimate. Maybe these were also in the book, but wer overshadowed by more irritating references that they left out in the movie. The phone poles, the pedestrian crossing signs, it actually made me miss TO -- the exact opposite of the book which made me want to build a wall around it so all of the misogynist dickweeds couldn't escape.

As far as the offensive shit in the books... it's still here. Wright managed to take the edge off of it a bit maybe but when your source material has shit like "i am dating a high school girl because it's so easy" and "i told both these girls i cheated on them but i have self respect so happily ever after" bullshit what are you gonna do.

there were some nice graphical touches, and some awful ones -- i hated the "no clue -> got it" type shit, the words showing up on the screen, but on the other hand the fight scenes were surprisingly satisfactory (partic. bits of the one with the stunt doubles, and the sworfight w/ schwarzman).

THE SHORT OF IT: Edgar Wright managed to turn a pile of shit into a decently watchable movie based on a pile of shit. If it were not based on a pile of shit I am sure I would have LOVED IT.

also i feel as if wright should've included more shots of michael cera rocking out Yoshikane Sou style when he is playing in his band, and less shots of him depressedly and "indie-ly" plugging at his bass like a corpse (although I suppose that's what stupid fucking Scott fucking stupid Pilgrim would do).

Your friends celebrated your birthday by bringing you to a movie about a book they loved and one that you hated?

I like Wright's own reading of the movie as Pilgrim's heroic reminiscence of how this shit went down rather than an accurate representation of anything.

the extreme othering of (a) women (b) queers (c) "non-white" people

This. I found e.g. the constant emphasis on Knives being "Chinese" to be really grating.

Your friends celebrated your birthday by bringing you to a movie about a book they loved and one that you hated?

...yeah... i did say i sort of wanted to see it though, because edgar wright, and people saying it was amazing who didn't care for the books. they sated my curiosity and for that i do thank them.

This. I found e.g. the constant emphasis on Knives being "Chinese" to be really grating.

I kind of wanted to walk out when it was explaining how ramona dated dude #1 because he was the only "non-white non-jock at her school". like, holy fuck? really? are we saying that now? felt sick to my stomach.

Also the part about how Scott needs to break up w/ Knives cos Ramona, says Kieran Culkin, and Cera is like but that's not how it works for YOU GAYS and instead of kieran being like "that's offensive" he's liek "i didn't write the gay rulebook" LIKE WHAT?

best part fo the movie though: after vegan guy's powers are taken away, the vegan police are leaving, and they do a slo-mo jumping hi-5 with a really adorable "yaaaay!"

i lost it. nice one edgar.

oh i also wanted ot see the movie b/c someone i know (also named Evan in fact!) is an extra in it. i wanted to see that. but i missed him. :( NOW I MIGHT HAVE TO SEE IT AGAIN IN SOME FORM AND THAT KILLS ME. maybe i can get someone to watch it on dvd in a year and rip those scenes for me.

slo-mo jumping hi-5

This + the shoelace gag were the biggest lols in the movie IMO.

i thought the asian schoolgirl thing was supposed to make fun of that comic stereotype of comic nerds being into asian catholic schoolgirls in pigtails and mini plaid skirts who are, like, ninjas (a la kill bill styles), so that's why the other characters kept pointing it out. i also thought the 'non-white' thing was supposed to be ironic?? i really didn't read either of these things as racist.

she also goes out of her way to point out how stupid she used to be re: relationships (in fact, it's pretty much her only character depth at all)... and i don't think it's really a stretch to think that some dumb highschooler who is grasping at straws to differentiate him/herself from the pack would pick someone to date solely because they're not white. it's presented in a "look at what an idiot i used to be" context. also, if you're looking at the "bitchy but kind-hearted gay friend" trope as it has developed throughout the last 15-20 years in movies, i really don't think that kieran culkin's character stands out as particularly offensive.

I didn't get offended by the chinese, non-white, or gay stuff but what do I know (I thought the gay guy was mean but really he wasn't so bad given that Scott was invading his space). There was a lot of great gags but I'm not gonna point them out as this thread has yet to gain the spoiler symbol

Soooo

***people have posted spoilers already (not me)***

Once again I find that I didn't mind that a character in a movie didn't show much depth. But had I read the comics I might have cared. In retrospect I do think Scott should have wanted to continue dating Ramona not just because of her looks and demeanor (So I guess that I do care a little. It would be nice if the eventual dvd release would add some extra talking scenes between them.. Maybe they were cut because the film is long enough already)

i also thought the 'non-white' thing was supposed to be ironic??

Yeah, for some reason I was under the impression that BLO'M is himself "non-white"? Will M., the books themselves go out of their way many times in the later volumes to have other characters point out what a douchebag Scott is being, to the point where I found it difficult reading to get through because it was so depressing.

Looking forward to seeing this in a couple of days, even if it does turn out to be a fun failure or whatever.

(xp) yeah, it's pretty clear he only wants Ramona because she is cool, which is consistent w/ his character. Knives' last line is OTM, and a better way to end things than the original script ending. (Consult the wiki.)

Yeah, fair enough that it may be the characters rather than the movie itself who are shallow and exoticist.

I dunno, though, what do you guys make of Matthew Patel's Bollywood superpowers? I'm not sure to what extent the movie actually distances itself from the characters' viewpoints.

I really liked Matthew Patel. Best evil ex imo

There was a guy in the theater who would shout "ewwwwwwww!" everytime there was something "gay" and I just kept thinking when will this fuckwit shut up, why does he have to prove his intense hetero-ness to the whole theater in such a fashion? And then I realized he was watching it with his very young son and was making an outsize effort to display his disapproval of gayness for the sake of his progeny. Really weird. I don't go to "the movies" much so maybe this is a thing

i can assure you nobody was like that in my theatre. though some of them clearly felt distracted by all of the elements and felt uncomfortable laughing. I'm a loud laugher and I said fuck em and soon enough everybody aws rolling over.

I didn't like the Bollywood bit. That and much of the Mae Whitman stuff I could have done without.

The movie star ex was good

That Bollywood shit was awful. It was especially disorienting because the whole Patel scene was introducing all of the comic-book physics. So up until that point you had a movie with a comic-bookish flare that doesn't physically affect the characters, and suddenly you're watching a bollywood music video with a flying emo-goth pirate and his demon hipster back up dancers? Was this in the book or important enough to leave in the movie?

Patel does not Bollywood out in the book iirc

BLO'M is indeed non-white

http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/14171/omalley_jpg_595x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/manga/1/0/g/z/-/-/TCAF09_SAT_Omalley3_500.jpg

The Washington Post's Ann Hornaday hates it (this from an article about Pilgrim, Expendables, and Eat, Pray, Love):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/12/AR2010081206164.html

As a director, Stallone subscribes simply to the more-is-more school of filmmaking. The same could be said of Edgar Wright, who has won a cult following thanks to his comedies "Shaun of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz," and who has adapted "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" with the same attention to fetishistic details of archaic video games, TV sitcoms and B-movie genres as Stallone pays to his ordnance. Cera plays the title character, a 22-year-old musician who falls in love with a rainbow-haired hipster girl (Mary Elizabeth Winstead) and must do battle with her seven exes to win her affection. The movie, a glib pastiche of pop culture references and snarky asides, plays like one long, insufferable in-joke.

Cera's dilated, wispy-voiced version of the leading man at first seems like a welcome relief from Stallone and Co.'s pumped-and-plumped aesthetic (a healthy dose of collagen apparently having been added to the aging actors' steroids). But as Cera kicks and quips his way through Pilgrim's progress, with Wright slicing and dicing the screen image into comic-book-ready panels, complete with on-screen titles and graphics, "Scott Pilgrim" becomes an increasingly cynical enterprise.

For all his feigned innocence, Pilgrim is less a deer in the headlights than an outright weasel, and Winstead's Ramona Flowers makes an unusually chilly femme fatale. "Scott Pilgrim" has the feel of a slickly packaged, over-produced bauble for a youth market bored to tears by human feeling. By the climactic confrontation in a cavernous nightclub, the audience's reaction echoes the password Pilgrim uttered to get in: "Whatever."

You would think someone with the last name Hornaday would be cheerier.

normally this is the kind of movie i hate but i really liked it

Cera is pretty weaselly. Also a big nerd fantasy in the sense that Ramona could be won over by a guy who looks like this:

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/ScottPilgrim-073010-0019.jpg

What would an actual guy interest of a Ramona type look like, do you think?

http://moviecultists.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/7-evil-ex-boyfriends-scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world.jpg

is that Alan Cumming?

Being a bass player who uses pedals, I found it both hilarious and awesome during the band battle later on in the film.

xpost the guy second from the left? tis jason schwartzman. although he's basically just playing alan cumming's character from "josie and the pussycats."

If it had been Alan Cumming I would have loved this film even more. As it was I thought it was Luke Wilson :S
Then I also thought it was Luke Wilson in the A-Team when it was that South African guy from District 9. I am mocked for my inability to recognise male actors; I've had it my whole life, although I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Luke Wilson could be an amalgamation of J Schwartzman and Sharlto Copley ...

i really enjoyed this and my two younger sisters fucking LOVED it. it was kinda impressive how well it handled having like six thousand tertiary characters, although lolz @ aubrey plaza serving no plot function other than to mouth off snidely like she always does.

There was a guy in the theater who would shout "ewwwwwwww!" everytime there was something "gay" and I just kept thinking when will this fuckwit shut up, why does he have to prove his intense hetero-ness to the whole theater in such a fashion? And then I realized he was watching it with his very young son and was making an outsize effort to display his disapproval of gayness for the sake of his progeny. Really weird. I don't go to "the movies" much so maybe this is a thing

― Henry's Hepcat (admrl), Sunday, August 15, 2010 6:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this is a HUGE thing now and everyone does it, even probably your friends

One of the best summer action films I've ever seen; an astonishingly satisfying take on postmodernism. The audiovisual sequences of the fight sequences reminded me of Waltz with Bashir.

er, mixture of audiovisual elements

it was kinda impressive how well it handled having like six thousand tertiary characters,

disagree wildly having read books BUT think they did a tops job of shedding six thousand tertiary character to keep things moving

although lolz @ aubrey plaza serving no plot function other than to mouth off snidely like she always does.

a) they drop the ENTIRE plot except for fights so there's no room for anyone to have plot function
b) this is all the character does in the books too

I'm not sure to what extent the movie actually distances itself from the characters' viewpoints.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this

really? all the people telling scott pilgrim what a douchebag he's being the entire movie until he finally realizes what a douchebag he's being at the end... but the movie doesn't distance itself from his viewpoint?

you don't think it paints him as a hero for the entire movie?

it makes zelda sounds when he does things! he's like the link of the movie! link is the hero of zelda!

I didn't get that impression from the movie at all. When he went after Ramona, he came across as weak and thoughtless for not breaking up with Knives first. Kieran Culkin told Knives that she was too good for him, and begged him multiple times to break up with Knives.

plus there were quite a few people that questioned his motives for even dating Knives at all, including his own sister. I mean yea he was portrayed as a protagonist but ya know there's no harm in having a flawed protagonist, that's called being human.

i mean in Mario Brothers Mario got points for squishing those Goombahs but what did those poor goombahs ever do to him, they were just trying to making a living in a tough Koopa world and took what work was available to them, only to be snuffed out by a low rent plumber with a ridiculous mustache.

don't pretend like those goombas aren't scum

they're FUNGI, i mean COME ON

the only GOOD, DECENT, HONEST, HARD-WORKING fungus in a video game is Funguy from Chrono Cross.

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/cc/images/faces/funguyf.gif

the goombahs just wanted equal treatment under the law - well, that and arms.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kMP9tVD1jkI/SWdxubZMQDI/AAAAAAAAAqM/08Lvx39kXME/s400/koopers.jpg

that chicken nugget looks so sad

This was annoying as fuck, although Kieran Culkin and Cera each had their own bits.

holy shit, this movie only cost 60-70 million to make? that's the same amount of money they spent on the happening.

but the movie doesn't distance itself from his viewpoint?

I get what you're saying but in terms of exoticism or stereotyping, I'm just not convinced that the movie itself was that much better than the characters themselves, considering the presentation of e.g. Patel or the Katayanagi twins and their dragons. Knives didn't really seem to break away from the stereotype -- it wasn't just the way the dorky indie guys saw her.

not read this thread but just to weigh in because you were all waiting: it's actually pretty great.

Being a bass player who uses pedals, I found it both hilarious and awesome during the band battle later on in the film.

― Jaw dropping, thong dropping monster (kingfish), Monday, August 16, 2010 5:05 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark

haha yes during the band battle i was like come on son i know u have a fuzz pedal hit that bitch

drummer was my favorite character.

I finally saw this tonight. I loved the attention to detail, such as all the graphics on the screen whenever there was any live music. Though a bit sad that some of my favourite bits of the comic didn't make it into the film.

I did wonder whether people who haven't seen the film got what was going on from the start. I guess trying to squeeze 6 books into a single film meant that some of the background plots were taken out. Seemed like it would have gotten confusing though.

I assume you mean "read the books" - I haven't, and though some of the background players were a little flimsy, I think Wright did a great job keeping everything well-paced and easy to follow.

You can always use more character development but I was kinda thrown by foulmouthed what's her name of the infinite jobs, didn't really get her deal.

"How are you doing that with your mouth?"

drummer = alison pill yeah? i love alison pill.

this was pretty good.

it hit a lot of predictable beats but in a really satisfying way. like the bass pedal thing i mentioned above: knew it was gonna happen, did not imagine how awesome it would actually be when it did. this had a lot of the kinetic energy of spaced where you figure out the punchline like .5 seconds before it gets delivered and its that much funnier as a result.

also just read the wiki for the comics and am kinda impressed at the way they turned a lot of the more arcane plot stuff into tossed off jokes. "subspace portals. you don't have those in canada?"

Alison Pill was annoying. She reminded me too much of this, if anyone has ever seen it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w4VnmXyM4g8/SeeVIuaynbI/AAAAAAAAIe8/INBy85o8eOU/s400/billy+mandy+2.jpg

I think I'm the only person who wasn't annoyed by any of the characters
I do think Patel was the best villian. The randomness of it all and the song... especially the beginning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4LrZeTv64

the beginning = when he starts singing

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/8/19/1282206152408/Scott-Pilgrim-vs-The-Worl-008.jpg

"the crown that you are" ?

Blue-haired girl's face seems frozen with regret & adjacent girl kind of looks like Daniel Radcliffe in drag with an expression suggesting a plan to take down Cera.

Is the young Britney lookalike in the blue wig wearing a flasher's mac?

i wanna wear you in the empty space between my teeth like the crown that you are

I love how everyone around the girl with the crown poster has a "This bitch" expression on their face.

being a michael cera obsessive must come with just enough self-awareness to feel stupid in that situation

I would feel retarded for knowing that the "crown" line comes from Youth In Revolt if it weren't for the fact that I just watched that movie last night.

so weird that people bring signs to movie premieres like its a wrestling match

Saw it and liked it except for the pre-credits sequence and the resolution of the romances at the end. Couldn't suspend my disbelief in regards to Ellen Wong and Michael Cera's respective ages.

Saw it on Saturday. Really enjoyed it...hadn't read the books but definitely would like to now. Felt like there was enough story in it for it not be just fightyfightfight...lots of good laughs, heart and ass kicking. Loved the stuntmen fight and the bass battle the best.

Although Anna Kendrick (cast as Stacey Pilgrim, age 18) plays the younger sister to Michael Cera's character (Scott Pilgrim, age 22), in real life Kendrick is nearly 3 years older than Cera. Ellen Wong is also 3 years older than Cera in real life despite playing Cera's character's high school girlfriend who is 17 in the movie.
Link this trivia

the magic of the movies iirc

still found it weird that she played his younger sister tho, it was such an older sister type role

down 51% the 2nd weekend, officially a flop

i think it was officially a flop when it came in like 5th on its opening weekend

as a result, I'm determined to see it

Seems like a long-tail movie to me. I enjoyed it, but my wife hated it. We're both huge Spaced stans.

One thing which really irked me (as a graphic designer) despite all the other apparent attention to detail in the film was that no-one had bothered to fix the 'WA' 'VA' and 'AT' kerning pairs on the font (Microgramma I seem to remember, or rip-off) which resulted in huge gaps between the letters.

could be why it flopped

:D

Typography matters!

I've had this song in my head all day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jMruFHTwrY

this film looks 100% shit

boy it's fun to talk about movies from the trailers in a thread full of people who've seen it innit?

what

who did that song? it sounded like Metric.

it is. above-average for them but they're not really my thing.

except that version apparently has the actress on vocals. she's good!

conrad: i thought the same thing but have to admit that it is actually really good.

Really loved that song in the movie, even more chuffed to find out it was Metric (still love their last album so much) as I had thought it might be them.

One thing which really irked me (as a graphic designer) despite all the other apparent attention to detail in the film was that no-one had bothered to fix the 'WA' 'VA' and 'AT' kerning pairs on the font (Microgramma I seem to remember, or rip-off) which resulted in huge gaps between the letters.

Pretty sure that's an intentional "look" that was maybe applied a little too subtly to read as intentional. Let me find an example.

http://screencrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Scott-Pilgrim-vs-the-World-Todd-Ingram-Close-Up-9-6-10-kc.jpg

Like this right? But in spots they didn't do the wobbly thing and just left it with bad kerning.

Like on "Todd Ingram" there's some baseline shift between the letters but it's not so noticeable just on the word "evil". Alright, I'm done with the type nerdery now.

i really enjoyed this, in spite of all the high school-aged boys in the theater who audibly winced ('ugh', 'oh god') whenever kieran culkin did anything remotely gay

someone loudly said 'what a homo' at one point but it was directed at michael cera

this ruled so hard. i don't know what i was talking about upthread, as usual.

when i went to see youth in revolt there was all sortsa teenage dickheads making beavis noises at everything but my SP audience was not large enough to generate adolescent homophobia

i was the oldest person in a theater of about a dozen

(i'm 25)

haha, samesies

Saw this today. My friend and I agreed afterwards that we were both too old--that if we'd seen it when we were 17, we probably would have liked it as much as we did Rock 'n' Roll High School at the time. Instead, it was loud and long and repetitive, with clever parts mixed in where you think "That's kind of clever," followed by more loud and long and repetitive. Michael Cera holds it together--one-note performance, but if you like him (I did), that helps. (I want to digress here into the wisdom of his dumping Knives for Ramona, but again, too old.) I won't get really provincial and start rhyming off all the Toronto locations, other than to say that the record store's called Sonic Boom--good place for DVDs and CDs, very overpriced when it comes to vinyl. The most thankless role by far is Kieran Culkin's, who I quite liked in Lymelife. They should have stamped "Robert Downey Jr. Role: the gay guy who speaks only in dry witticisms" on his forehead. (Or "George Sanders Role"--it's not like Downey invented it.) I guess the filmmakers felt very contemporary putting a gay character front in center in a teen comedy. In the parlance of the film, they never moved on to Level 2: add some dimensionality.

I guess the filmmakers felt very contemporary putting a gay character front in center in a teen comedy.

Do you think the author of the books felt "very contemporary," "slightly contemporary," or "moderately contemporary" having a real-life gay person as a friend and platonic gay roommate for years before basing a gay character in his 1200-page, 7-year long series on the real-life gay friend and their friendship?

Like this right? But in spots they didn't do the wobbly thing and just left it with bad kerning.

No, those bits look like they were set by hand, albeit with a cut'n'paste feel. The bad kerning-pairs just seemed like lazy typography.

I know nothing whatsoever about the comic book. My comments above are based on the film only, and I don't think my inference is out of line with what someone else who didn't know the source material would arrive at. Let me put it this way: do you think the Kieran Culkin character comes across as a person or a concept?

Saw this finally last night. I enjoyed it, but it was way more frenetic than I expected. I left with a bit of a headache. Michael Cera did a decent job, but I could imagine there being someone more suited to the role. All the other characters were pretty great.

I really want there to be a video game like the fighting-meets-Dance Dance Revolution game that Scott and Knives play.

Teddybears OTM.

I'm with clemenza: Kieran Culkin was nails-on-chalkboard by the end of the movie.

If he's more interesting in the comic, then that's the movie's fault for failing, right?

I think every supporting character was grossly underdeveloped in the film, so singling out a gay character seems kind of pointless. It didn't really matter though.

Let me put it this way: do you think the Kieran Culkin character comes across as a person or a concept?

Nobody in the film comes across as a person. (Maybe Neil.)

I've already said upthread that the film sacrificed characters, characterisation and plot in order to fit six boss fights into one narrative; I don't think I'd call it a failing, though, despite personally missing those aspects from the comic - the movie does a really good job of existing on its own terms, as best I can judge. As a liker of the original Wallace I felt disappointed that more of his depth, warmth and mentorish love for Scott didn't fit into the film; but as a viewer of the film I thought Culkin was lolz.

(Interestingly, the final volume of the books, written after the film was shot, also only finds room for Wallace as a shouting drunk zingy Greek chorus.)

It didn't really matter though.

^^^

Really wasn't trying to single out the gay character. It did jump out at me as a particularly inept stereotype, though, and a stereotype that was easier to recognize than other underdeveloped characters.

Wouldn't a stereotype be something closer to "Queer Eye For The Straight Guy"?

Culkin's character is a movie stereotype. I don't know if it began with George Sanders in All About Eve, but it's one that you encounter regularly.

This is not my day. I just got harangued over on I Love Baseball; if you think gay stereotypes are a touchy subject, try arguing about RBI with a sabermetrician.

This was nicely put together and Kieran Culkin and Alison Pill were particularly funny, but needed to be 20 mins shorter cuz the fights just got OLD.

extra points for the sitcom laughtrack scene and vegan police.

oh cmon, there are gays EXACTLY like W.W. How do you think some stereotypes come into being -- they're true!

the film sacrificed characters, characterisation and plot in order to fit six boss fights

I saw about 2 'boss fights' and 4 ho-hummers!

had no idea going in that Beck wrote the band songs.

Pretty sure guy in the row in front of me was taping the movie.

clemenza, re missing dimensionality did you also think Jason Schwartzman should've had more Cosloylike nuances?

I thought Schwartzman's character was tiresome too. (Is he actually based on Gerard Cosloy? Didn't know that.) Maybe it's a backhanded compliment to the potential of Culkin's character that I didn't think Schwartzman was even worth mentioning.

I don't know what to say about Culkin's character beyond what I've said. You're right, some stereotypes come into being for a reason. I'm quite sure there are gay people every bit as tiresome as WW.

In the interest of fairness, something I loved: Cera instantly hitting it off at the end with his evil self. I even thought that was somewhat profound...I mean, if the good side of us were ever to get to together with the bad side, they probably would have a lot in common. If nothing else, they'd like the same movies and music, right?

more a nice joke on the tiresome comics/comic-movie joke of a bisected hero.

(my GC remark was a gag -- as far as I know)

You're the last person I imagined would respond to this, Morbs. You and I are the only ones who don't play video games on ILX, I think. I don't have anything particularly nasty to say about this movie, and, yeah, this is the wrong genre from which to expect "depth" or "dimensionality," but it's still too fucking long. Couldn't he have killed three boyfriends? Three's a magic number.

You can hope that the characters in any kind of movie will have some shading. That seems pretty basic to me. There's some--not much, but some--shading to Cera's character; why is it too much to ask that Culkin's have some too?

First time I read Morbius's line "there are gays EXACTLY like W.W.," I didn't know who W.W. was--it finally clicked in that he was referring to Culkin's character. (I still double-checked.) True: my first thought was, "What the hell does Walter Winchell have to do with any of this?" I don't play video games either...

the vidgame sequences got boring, true to form. Still better than, say, the Kill Bills.

I responded to this more as a Cera-as-Eddie-Bracken dweeb chronicle. Also, aside from the specifics, Scott Pilgrim pretty much seems like Ben Stiller's Greenberg as a youth.

I saw about 2 'boss fights' and 4 ho-hummers!

video game lingo - Scott does have some fights against non-Ramona-exes in the books too (that start happening off-page because the other characters are too bored to pay attention any more!), but bosses are the things you fight at the end of a "level"

The movie star fight was the best in the movie IMO - the ex-girlfriend one was a real disappointment because we lose that amazing setpiece of Ramona fighting Knives all through the library! (Also Scott fighting Knives' dad - was that in the same volume?)

This is only tangentially related to Scott Pilgrim...I watched You Can Count on Me last night. I liked it the first couple of times I saw it soon after release; loved it this time. I dismissed Kieran Culkin's character in Scott Pilgrim upthread. Just based on You Can Count on Me and Lymelife, I think his brother Rory might be the best actor under 25 out there.

this was quite good

kind of like nick and nora's infinite playlist meets gamer

hahaha

haven't seen nick and nora but

it's on Encore WAM right now if you're in the US.

nope :D

conrad i have never known you to love anything more than u love gamer

;)

congratulations conrad

:P

this movie was quite bad

rong

man that is never not fun

bad as in badass

Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good.

and good meaning good burger, home of the good burger

i love this movie; it is ridiculous and awesome

to me the best kind of comedy movie/tv is packed with all kinds of jokes that are kind of throwaway asides build up to make a big difference overall. i mean, re: tv, the simpsons and arrested development, even friends did this. it just doesn't happen in movies that often, maybe because everything has become so damn plot-driven. obv the marx brothers were champions of this too.
jokes like "ah, double-negative... tricky..." had me dying <3

Every time I think about this movie I start grinning.

the way "i lesbians you" is played totally straight

hahaaaaa yes :D

A question for gay people: How often does pursuing the guy or girl in a straight relationship actually work? Or how often have you seen this work? I've heard at least a few stories like this, and its kind of fascinating and mysterious to think about what it takes to swing someone like that or even figure out who'll be receptive enough to have it work.

Obviously in relation to that scene in this movie.

this might be the first movie i've seen where i felt like i had to suspend judgement because i was too old and didn't quite 'get it'

also i thought that this was so dense with visual and sound gags that if there was a coherent emotional through-line i just missed it. though i felt that way about fantastic mr. fox which is the best movie ever so...

also yeah leading lady was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz(ero chemistry)

also for a manic pixie dream girl she was actually not manic at all, not even fun. no joie de vivre at all.

i kind of heart anna kendrick a lot honestly.

yeah as much as i dug this it was despite ramona's total zero-draw

and i like the actress and the character is kinda my manic pixie dream girl irl so

this might be the first movie i've seen where i felt like i had to suspend judgement because i was too old and didn't quite 'get it'

i should probably get used to this feeling

also for a manic pixie dream girl she was actually not manic at all, not even fun. no joie de vivre at all.

i kind of heart anna kendrick a lot honestly.

― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 24 September 2010 07:46 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is why i dont get why she was a manic pixie dream girl? it seemed to me liked michael cera played this role more than she did

she wasn't a 'mpdg', that's just a low-level meme

saw this a cpl of weeks ago and tried my best not to be a negative old fuck abt it, but after the first encouraging twenty minutes or so, thought it was pretty dire - like, really predictable and boring and just not v funny at all. guess it was true to comic bks inasmuch as it was plagued by way too many fuckin' fight scenes. seems to share w shaun of the dead the theme of male children accepting responsiblity - which in both cases amounts to monogamous hetrosexist coupledom yawn. wright constantly references pop cult in his movies but i actually think he has no feeling for horror movies/comic books, the way that the best of them are all abt escaping/transcending/overthrowing the workaday world, not 'growing up' and surrendering to it.

she was a dreamgirl insofar as he dreamed her, but not manic, and way un-pixie

xp

well in the opening post of that mpdg thread, the OP mentioned this movie + how it fit w/ the meme, so i thought ppl were still running w/ that

seems to share w shaun of the dead the theme of male children accepting responsiblity - which in both cases amounts to monogamous hetrosexist coupledom yawn.

im basically ok w/ this

i dunno, would it be a better film if he decided to transcend the workday world by continuing to be a selfish dick?

no but if he continued to be gleefully escapist it would!

Really enjoyed this, lots of fun but they should have done more with Ramona, she didn't seem worth defeating seven evil exes for.

Kieran Culkin looks like he's trying to reinvent himself as a Downey Jr for the kids.

Vegan dude and vegan police definitely the best. Also all housemate-related lolz.

'MILK AND EGGS BITCH'

loves it

Ramona definitely one of the two greatest deficiencies of the film (vs comic): in the book his interest in her is shown as undeserved and immature, and they *both* grow to deserve each other over the course of six books

liked this way more than i thought i would. and cera didnt play his usual dopey self either which was good. the indian ex being forced to do a bollywood number was a bit pathetic, even as far as homages to ethnic stereotypes in video games go (cant be just me but even he looked embarassed at having to do it), but this was really cool and inventive and just inspired in general (though occasionally the pop culture refs were a bit overegged - what was the point of the seinfeld music?), even if the ending lacked the surprise of everything else.

My 13 year-old son thinks this is a brilliant movie.

don't really remember but think the seinfeld music was before a scene in which s pilgrim enters the apartment abruptly and delivers some one-liners like in a sitcom after he has secured a date with dream girl?

yep

the vegan police joke was the best but they kinda flubbed it in a weird way dont u think? when scott offers him a coffee and he's like "o i bet u put milk in that" and then scott says something else and tricks him into drinking it... it would be better if he just initially tricked him into drinking it instead of giving the joke away. do u know what i mean? felt like something that came straight from the comic that would have played better differently

ugh whole "vegan police" thread was the lamest. felt like stale stereotype canards that don't even exist any more!

^ on sean's side here. fav part was the action star who got blazed in his winny

it was a good joke! plus they highfived

the movie star was funnie too

it was p much all lols

I did remember

Annoying vegans / straight-edgers don't exist anymore? Plus how can you deny the HIGH-FIVE?

edgar wright was especially proud of the vegan police high-five!

IIRC (it's been a while) the way the vegan gets beaten in the comics is that Scott lures him through some Toronto landmark or tourist trap or something which is portrayed as being totally soul-crushing, which drains the guy's power. I don't remember the vegan police entering into it at all, which means that whole sequence is probably something ginned up for the film in order to cover for this awkward Toronto gag which was totally baffling to me when reading the comic.

I saw this a couple of weeks ago in a theater where me and my friend were literally the only people there. Given that I had no hope of the movie really nailing the things I loved best about the comics, I was pleased to see how much they didn't fuck up. Like, just getting the ambience of the books right, doing "indie hipster nerd people in the 2000s" without having it feel like a grownup movie producer's idea of hip young kids. The apartments looked right, the bands mostly looked right, all that stuff. The colored hair kind of works against this because onscreen it makes people look way more 90s and Hot Topiced out than the characters are supposed to be, I think. (Envy Adams also seems totally wrong to me, but this has more to do with not matching the angular bitchiness of the character, and not so much with IRL convincingness.)

The video game stuff worked best when it was just taken for granted as part of the universe, rather than being pointed out and commented upon; I think the former won out, so that's good. I wish they had used their own made-up video game sounds rather than having Zelda sounds all over the place though.

The Seinfeld thing was a real misfire - should have been left at just the music playing for the establishing shot of the apartment but ehh.

I think this movie might be a case where it's kind of great, but at the same time not very good. Like, I loved the adaptation, loved the effects, loved most of the casting, but it's pretty clear why this wouldn't be a crossover success with a general audience - - - not because it's too nerdy but because it sort of fails as a romance picture. Given that so much of the screen time has to go towards banging through the fight sequences, you REALLY need the two leads to use the remaining time to convince you that their relationship IS something worth fighting for.

But we never get that, both because there's no time to show them on dates or doing anything really together, and because the performances are both ciphers. This is a movie about a guy fighting to keep a relationship where we almost never get to see that relationship. In the books we see them taking springtime walks, having lunch, joking with each other, basically feeling like a couple so you can understand why he would put himself through this rigmarole to keep her. The movie just doesn't have time to do that, so it's really incumbent on the two leads to sell that stuff in the little time they have, but Cera doesn't have the range. He plays the same note in every scene - I missed the other sides to the character, like the crazy manic grin that BLOM draws him with sometimes. Plus, given that it's a coming-of-age story, it'd be nice for there to be something palpably different about the character at the end of the story than at the beginning, but Cera can't quite sell that.

the vegan police take away the 3rd ex's powers during their final fight so scott can beat him, just like in the comic. the first part you mentioned happens earlier in the comic though.

ahhhhh okay, def need to reread these.

I'm going to be grabbing all the original comics off amazon this weekend because they are selling them for around $3-$5 a pop. Pretty sweet deal!

I'll finally be able to see how the movie compared.

NICE! I'm cashing in also. Thanks for the tip!

aww man, even with adding "lost at sea" i didn't qualify for having them shipped by ramona flowers thru subspace

My 13 year-old son thinks this is a brilliant movie.

― Mo Tucker Mo Problems (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 September 2010 11:10 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

My 10 year old daughter, also.

Finally saw this and, well, yeah...

Comment upthread about Wright taking a lousy story (and it is indeed lousy) and making it passable is spot-on. Supporting cast FAR better than the two leads - still hate Cera's horrible affected nebbishness (can someone just punch him in the face already?) and the constant harping on about how Ramona is supposed to be cool is never fulfilled. Why is she cool? She doesn't really do anything. Ramona could have been portrayed better by a blank sheet of paper that just cycles through different shades of purple, blue, and green.

Loved how Wright kept hiding numbers everywhere a la Greenaway's Drowning By Numbers

what do you think is lousier about the books' story than the movie? seems v odd complaint when you then go on about Ramona's character not being filled out like it is in, er, the books

saw this, enjoyed it

The books never held my attention enough to keep me focused... I'm down with meandering storylines, but only if the art was appealing to me also. I've been to Toronto only once though, so much of it could have simply just passed me by.

A better actor would have made the film Ramona interesting, but really I wish the movie was about Kim Pine and/or Young Neil.

can someone just punch him in the face already?

Did you see the film?

lol

Supporting cast FAR better than the two leads - still hate Cera's horrible affected nebbishness (can someone just punch him in the face already?) and the constant harping on about how Ramona is supposed to be cool is never fulfilled. Why is she cool? She doesn't really do anything.

That this movie basically sounds like Say Anything plus cartoon fight scenes says so much about the last twenty years.

it says a lot about 9/11

hmm

not to distract from s1ocki's a+ post here, but i'm a little tired of the whole "why is she cool" line of thought. she's cool in the shallow way lots of young people bestow coolness, because she has funky hair and she's from new york and her most recent ~mysterious ex~ ran a record company. scott never finds out anything "cool" about her either--"could you really imagine a future with this girl?" "what, like, with jet packs?" he just wants her because of the challenge.

ya but it would really have been better if she had some personality or they had real chemistry

I think the comics just about pull that off by facing the issue head-on (Ramona: Why do you like me, anyway? Scott: You're, um, mysterious?) as part of the plot: Ramona is deliberately cultivating a mysterious-cool while trying to play it off, and Scott is willing to go along with that because he's young and lazy, until it gets to the point where he kind of can't. As well, again, they DO have a lot more chemistry in the books, and just scenes of them doing normal dating stuff like going to the beach and eating hamburgers and so on. The movies only ever show that stuff between Scott and Knives, which is maybe why a lot of people think he makes the wrong choice at the end.

watching this again made me think it might have worked better as a series/miniseries - still loads of fun though.

would have worked well as a comic book

Alright just watching this for the first time now. Beck + Cornelius has been a long-time fantasy of mine. Also, the first image of the credits, of the kids on the couch watching the band, has been engraved in my subconcious in dreams for a long time. It's so weird to see it in waking reality. Much of this movie feels like this right now.

Holy shit that is the phone sound from an early 90s Yamaha keyboard, some kind of thrift store synthesizer, this movie is totally on my level.

No wait, that might be the sound from some Fischer Price phone thing or something. Whatever it is, its an electronic toy.

Yeah this movie is rad.

pro-tip: it's even better if you put yr computer to sleep #howtowatchmovies

lol at people saying "what is cool?"
if you have to ask...

Ok im loving this movie so far (except the Patel dance scene) but Knives is stealing every scene she's in! Kinda want to watch a sequel just all about her.

this is an extended cut

heh LOL @ Vegan Police

oh man i love Cornelius

Rad now its all Samurai Shodown

Oh nice now it's the Stones and Max Fisher! Rushmore nostalgia!

oh I see

Hah at the end it turns into David Lynch's Dune or something.

No, i passed out last night after the first 15 minutes, and just restarted the whole thing about 1:38 ago.

The last sword fight is cooler than any of the lightsaber battles in the new Star Wars movies.

Patel's song is awesomely absurd. You are wrong about not liking it
Vegan Police wasn't so funny unless you know vegans. I'm proud that I don't know any

I knew straightedge kids that talked about 'crucifying' kids that lost edge. So it was pretty LOL for me, even if it was a one-note joke.

Mega Scott = AWESOME Noob Saibot reference

how could you NOT laugh at that phenomenal slow-motion high five

i treasure jason schwartzman in this film, especially the way he gets into cars.

I liked the highfive I just didn't laugh at the vegan police much

that joke was better in concept than execution

purpose of vegan police seemed mainly to evoke gasps of "thomas jane!" sadly no one at my showing gasped "that other romulan guy from the star trek reboot!" when clifton collins jr. took off his sunglasses.

this was pretty great! agree w/ most of slock jams criticisms but all in all a fun movie.

didnt realize ramona flowers was the chick from grindhouse

Knives is the best thing about this movie.

Really dug this much more than I thought I would. Blasted thru all 6 comic books afterwards and would have to say that my sole complaint is that Cera does not do the original character justice - sure they're both great at being clueless but the comic book character had this odd sort of confidence that wasn't apparent with Cera.. I think it's more fault that I've seen too many movies in which he's a bumbling hopeless fool beforehand and can't really shake the feeling of "THATS what michael cera is like" feeling off.

Also "I Heard Ramona Sing" was *perfect* for the scene it was in, and yet I almost feel it was a total slap in the face to Black Francis as you can see his insistence live to *not* play the guitar solo part beforehand for fear that the rest of his song will be overshadowed(as it is, just from listening)...and comes Scott Pilgrim the feature film, only allowing the guitar solo to be a part of the movie and disregarding the rest as tuneless bumblings.

Speed Racer for people who used to trade Weezer b-sides over AIM

which is awesome but i also understand hating it forever

Also "I Heard Ramona Sing" was *perfect* for the scene it was in, and yet I almost feel it was a total slap in the face to Black Francis as you can see his insistence live to *not* play the guitar solo part beforehand for fear that the rest of his song will be overshadowed(as it is, just from listening)...and comes Scott Pilgrim the feature film, only allowing the guitar solo to be a part of the movie and disregarding the rest as tuneless bumblings.

― Chester, Your Majesty (kelpolaris), Saturday, December 4, 2010 7:04 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

can u explain what you're talking about here

haha -- I also thought "waht"

co-sign, requesting clarification plz

i think he's saying that

a) black francis doesn't play the guitar solo for "i heard ramona sing" live cause he thinks it overshadows the rest of the song
b) it is awesome that they used "i heard ramona sing" in the scene where (iirc) ramona and scott climb into bed BUT
c) because black francis does not play the guitar solo live, you could argue that ~only~ giving the guitar solo prominence in the scene is something of an effort to deliberate piss on black francis

i do not believe this logic to be sound

....Though it does show commendable attention to detail...

chick from grindhouse

gayz dont remember

She's the movie star in the second half of Death Proof who gets left with hillbilly who owns the Dodge Charger.

I was very entertained by this movie.

when I watched it I was all "meh" but now I find myself thinking about it every once in a while, particularly when I meet people who remind me of characters- like knives.

Oddly I am consider buying it on DVD, which is really something I never do.

Mr Veg got it on bluray for Christmas, looking forward to re-watching

Got this for the housemate bff for xmas. Havent read comics. Loved the movie, and I'm 39, but tbf I am also a big video game/indie nerd, so.

Helped having a 1000x bigger video game nerd next to me pointing out shit I'd miss (tho I got the Zelda thing immediately)

if ramona flowers really is the chick from grindhouse (and i have no reason to doubt), they did a fine job uncuteing her

dug this movie, btw. very silly and sort of empty in the end, but a lot of fun along the way.

I was ultimately won over by this. Prob the first movie I've seen since 3D came back that I thought should have been in 3D

also Schwartzman was pretty great

The thing I kept trying to figure out was what time era this movie took place in..?? Computers are clearly 00 eras, Pilgrim tho uses a phone-booth whilst his sister uses text messaging and all the while all the video game references took place in the late 80's, early 90's. It really isn't essential to my being, but I would like to know if the comic-book d00d had at least some semblance of what was appropriate in his universe and what wasn't.

Sounds like the only note of discordance is that phone booth - Scott's probably just poor enough that he can't quite keep up with his minutes. Anachronistic video games = snapshot of creators' psyches, prob. Also, catch more flies with Ninja Gaiden references.

ANYWAY: death via orgasm = ewww. That was merely the character's weakness in the books, neatly extending the relationship motifs that flowed all throughout, not a straight up female sexuality/death thing. Did anyone complain about that? If so, add my voice to chorus of the offended.

if ramona flowers really is the chick from grindhouse (and i have no reason to doubt), they did a fine job uncuteing her

― contenderizer, Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

u r a stupid

the video game references are appropriate for 20somethings, zelda link to the past was from 1992, so if you're 25ish in 2005 when the comic was written... you were 10-14 during the big zelda years. not anachronistic at all.

need a venn diagram

hahah i remember being really puzzled by the female orgasm = coin explosion moment like........'ok so when ramona does it its just a regular rad orgasm....but when scott pilgrim does it you die.......................................................................'

My feelings for this film can be summed up by the fact that I intend to wait until it's less than £6 in Fopp before I buy it.

oh well then

if you're a lesbian, a boy giving you an orgasm is (in vs. mode) fatal.

petty mort

^^^^ with the redemption!!! ^^^^^^^^^^

lol

skimming this thread made me remember that i really, really enjoyed this. might watch it again, tbh

feel like ILX would prefer the alternate ending. I don't, but it's better made.

What was it? the redbox copy i had barred me from accessing special features

Ramona and Scott say goodbyes, Scott walks back to Knives and they walk off into the Toronto dawn while Ramona looks back and then walks into the subspace door. Knives and Scott play that arcade game and then turn to each other as the camera zooms into the "Continue" countdown on the game.

Thought this was pretty fun! And I don't play video games, but I enjoyed all of the clever video-game details in the art/sound design.

Gf gave up after like 40 minutes, though.

One nice touch I don't think anyone has mentioned: scene with Knives near the end scored with Broken Social Scene's "Anthem for a Seventeen-Year-Old Girl."

One nice touch I don't think anyone has mentioned: scene with Knives near the end scored with Broken Social Scene's "Anthem for a Seventeen-Year-Old Girl."

long kind of embarrassing story: this was a bizarre experience in the theatre because in high school i made a movie in which this song was used recurrently, and at the same time there was this girl named angela who had decided as some kind of lifestyle choice to Have A Crush On Me, but she broadcast it to everyone including me in this weird arch way that made it impossible to take her seriously, as if i were morrissey or edward cullen, which i guess was a deliberate precaution to avoid being Hurt and actually really affecting but which at the time i was just happy to have as an out because i wasn't into angela, and anyway angela was japanese and considerably younger than me and the whole thing became this awkward social situation for everyone, and in fact still kind of is because angela still messages me on facebook sometimes with "joking" references to her "crush", and in many of these messages she mentions "anthems for a seventeen-year-old girl", which she first heard in the movie i made and really loves and which "reminds" her of me, and when i went to see scott pilgrim i went with a friend of mine from high school who happened to be in town and who also happened to have been the basis for one of the characters in my movie, and knives reminded us of angela basically all through, and at the end when that song came on we both looked at each other and the whole thing was just eerie. of course when i got home i had a facebook message from angela about it.

haha great story dude.

LOL yeah Knives reminded me of this girl I dated. She was 17 and she came to all my band's shows and was all excited and stuff. I brought her to her first Black Lips show (we lived w Cole at the time) so this movie kept hitting nostalgia buttons for me too.

dlh will have to check out the 'alternate ending' on the DVD.

Just read the first comic, and it almost exactly storyboards the film.

dlh this is what we call 'the Universe deliberately fucking with ur head'

i've seen the alternate ending actually! while watching the movie i expected it to end that way (which makes sense given that i guess it was written, acted and shot in the expectation that it would) but i prefer the final version, mostly because i think knives' line "i'm too cool for you" is A) a really big important moment and B) true.

Just read the first comic, and it almost exactly storyboards the film.

no it doesn't

I watched this today and found it a lot more entertaining than I thought I would. This is all.

It's enough.

Got it out again for the kids. They have to see a film they like's "extras"

Blimey, has it got lots of deleted scenes! (ans: yes)

Also, there's a 'trivia' version where you get subtitles indicating every in-joke/reference/t-shirt and song origin/etc....

Now Amber wants the soundtrack album, specifically for the "we hate you, please die" song, but it's not on any of the soundtracks and it's only on the 'deleted scenes' part of the DVD.

my sister's version of the soundtrack album has that song on it (i don't know where she acquired it, however). the one by crash and the boys? like a minute long?

Its track 7 on all of the copies of the soundtrack I've seen:

7. "We Hate You Please Die" - Crash and the Boys

I think there are different versions of the soundtrack, because the soundtrack I bought from Amazon included "We Hate You Please Die".

The extras had a song that actually had the title in it, it's about 10 secs long.

this was pretty good, and it's worth pointing out that my 60+ parents both loved it. Though i had to explain many of the video game conceits (the coins, for example).

kinda shocked to see that Ramona was the same actress as the cheerleader in Death Proof!

Hmmm, finally saw this...hmmm, are you meant to like Scott Pilgrim? I didn't, he wasn't very likeable, oh well, it was okay!

Hmmm, no you're not.

I found the movie very entertaining!

Can I say one thing I liked about the comics even though this is the movie thread? I feel like a lot of b&w comics drawn by dudes about the ladies they lust after – the drawing dudes really lovingly detail every last curve on the women. So you know exactly what type of physique is making them pop boners. What I liked about O'Malley's pics is all the women just have these sausagey grand piano legs & the boobage isn't really front & center. What O'Malley pays a lot of attention to is clothes & hair. So almost any body type could hypothetically play a hottt lady just so long as they had the right clothes/hair (which were all kind of how I wanted to dress in jr high and high school – I think the artist &* I are the same age, too – it was all v endearing & silly).

Kind of true of the movie too, no?

idk I feel like any actress is going to be an actual hot chick if they are putting her in a movie

No one in the movie had legs that looked like this:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg4n7i5ESH1qgrq0ro1_400.jpg

They had actual curvy legs w/knees & shit.

The chick who played Ramona is way hotter in real life than she was in the movie imo

^^

lol 'in real life' i mean 'in photographs/other movies'

me too lol

yeah, i liked this a lot. totally didn't think i would, either. i agree with whoever said ramona was a drip, but it didn't matter that much. kinda fell in love w/alison pill in this. found out from reading this thread that i used to know the guy who the culkin character was based on (p. accurate depiction).

The chick who played Ramona is way hotter in real life than she was in the movie imo

― polyphonic, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:22 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, she is. i think it was the weird hairstyle, which didn't need to be perfectly copied from the comic, especially when - like, i havent read the comic mind you, but just looking at the pic abbott posted, i guess it's ramona im looking at i cant exactly tell, she has like a hair strand that is practically a sideburn - but the only reason the comic book character has that hair strand is because the artist is stylistically hiding the fact that the head doesn't connect properly with the neck. plus the crazy hair colors just seem kind of anachronistic. the whole movie had a very 2003 feel to it (not a bad thing). but maybe that's what it's like up in canada. that's one more thing i liked! it had a great ~sense of place~. i mean i've never been to canada, and now i feel like i never need to go~

No one in the movie had legs that looked like this:
They had actual curvy legs w/knees & shit.

shame they didn't have it in the budget to cgi their knees away

ha no they coulda just hired some chicks with dumpy legs!

but they don't let actresses do that
not that I care (that much)
I just liked how it looked in the comic
seeing my dumpy ole legs in a comic made my heart soar a little is all

or legs that looked like my dumpy ole legs
not literally mine
that was understood

but yeah, I didn't think that ramona in the movie was particularly that much movie-star hotter than any of the other women, and it was clear that scott fell for her style and attitude. she was pretty much bundled up in tons of layers much of the time iirc, so "the boobage wasn't really front and center" in the movie either I don't think.

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They hired Michael Cera, who does not look like Scott Pilgrim, so ya know

I think this is the hair that Tam Tam was criticizing:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li42kgR89T1qfjcnyo1_500.gif

It looks OK in a comic bcz it is a drawing.

as far as legs, I seem to remember her wearing pretty unflattering jeans for a lot of the movie that did kind of give that effect, but I don't know. I wasn't really lookin out for the kneeless gams.

I don't want you guys to analyze my comment too much!
I was comparing the chick legs in the comic to chick legs in other comics. I know you can't put not hot legs in a movie. But it was nice to see a comic that wasn't so fetishistic about women's bodies!

at any rate, I think it would be unfair to accuse this movie of overly hollywood-izing the characters looks-wise. not that that's what you're doing.
xpost

Maybe I should have taken it to the 'I Love Comics' board's post about this comic book but I am intimidated by that board so sorry y'alls.

I wasn't trying to criticize what you were saying, I was just adding that I thought they did a pretty good job of that with the movie. as much as could be expected perhaps. but maybe not.

yeah, thats what im saying. it looks alright in the comic, but irl all you can think is "why does she have hair strands that go from the bangs down to the shoulder, covering part of the ears" ¯\(°_o)/¯

tho i gotta say, i give the movie tons of credit for its energy and vision, and if they started picking and choosing which parts of the comic they wanted to tone down, including weirdo hair, maybe it would've made for a worse movie all around

also, can i just go ahead and quote the most otm post in the thread:

Speed Racer for people who used to trade Weezer b-sides over AIM

― A B C, Saturday, December 4, 2010 8:34 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark

Maybe I should have taken it to the 'I Love Comics' board's post about this comic book but I am intimidated by that board so sorry y'alls.

― free inappropriate education (Abbbottt), Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

heh i totally understand - those guys mean business!!! - but imo you would bring a lot to the table if you did start postin' abbs

I haven't ever read a single superhero comic (except Popeye), I don't think I qualify.

scott pilgrim is kind of a superhero ;)

they only talk about krazy kat from what i can tell

half the people in the ILC thread for Scott Pilgrim hate it, so u made the right choice

that said i agree that you would class up the joint significantly

I found out this movie is the reason why Edgar Wright didn't direct Paul –– which I also liked (and I don't think anyone else saw?).

Also Edgar Wright's job of adapting this is the biggestest reason I have any hope for the Tintin movie (Wright has a writing credit). I think he gets the spirit of comic book romps!

Also Moffatt (I am a nyerd).

this >> paul

maybe he could have made 'paul' less shit tho

I haven't ever read a single superhero comic (except Popeye), I don't think I qualify.

you can balance out DJP

lol

i'm sorry to hear that abbbott, or anyone, is 'intimidated' by ILC (princess tamtam i think can look after himself). as an ILC 'know-it-all', i guess i do believe that 'the facts' are important, especially when it's to do w/ something as culturally marginalised as comics, but i also really believe that, frequently, the best insights abt comics come from ppl who aren't steeped in decades and decades of comic bk history and trivia. so erm... don't be shy!

Well... it's like..

I like film, but I don't spend 90% of my time thinking about film and pondering the comparitive qualities of one film against the next.

I like music, but I don't spend 90% of my time thinking about music and pondering the comparitive qualities of one album against the next. I could, though.

ile is ur natural habitat imo so

so here I am.

feels good dunnit

Abbott, come nerd out about comics with us at ILC! We're harmless! Compared to ILM, we hand out free hot towels to each other before every post!

lol I so have not read every superhero comic book

... just almost every X-Man book. Except for all the Wolverine-related ones.

why dont you tell us again how great terry pratchett is tho

:)

hush you

Small Gods and Feet of Clay pwn

dont tell me tell ward

ILC is awesome; one of my favorite boards...

once ilc stands for i love crap i'm sure the hand of welcome will be extended to mr t pratchett

don't get me started, I will blind you with my Pratchett love (and my shiv)

you must be delighted he's working on a zohan prequel treatment

Love Abbott's point about the nontraditional sexiness of the girls in the comics. Reminds me: Scott and Ramona's first real romantic speedbump comes around when she realizes he can't articulate his attraction beyond the fact that she's got cool style etc...and, being as he's super immature about everything, his way of dealing with this is to go get a cheat-crush going on Lisa Miller, based initially on her leg-revealing hem. Things getting too real with your GF? Just go find a new angle on superficiality!

I can't recall *how* BLOM draws Lisa's legs tho. Are they sausagey?

I was comparing the chick legs in the comic to chick legs in other comics. I know you can't put not hot legs in a movie. But it was nice to see a comic that wasn't so fetishistic about women's bodies!

peter bagge kinda does this too -- one of the things i enjoy most about his comics is that the women are all as grotesquely stylized as the men, even the ones who are supposed to be 'hot' in terms of the story.

I was thinking about that actually! At the very end (of Buddy Does Jersey) I do think he makes post-chub Lisa Leavenworth kinda bangin' but it is still in this context where everyone looks like a curlicue insaniac.

Lisa Miller is as ankle & knee-free as anyone!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2169/2037172001_2575d7bf6f.jpg

Envy Adams is as movie-chick hot as it gets in the comic & still 95% of the character design attention feels like it is being paid to coming up with really elaborate costumes + giant red hair:

http://www.monoxious.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/style-inspiration-envy-adams-scott-pilgrim.jpg

I do think he makes post-chub Lisa Leavenworth kinda bangin'

word dat, chubby Lisa is totes' bangin

oh man, her tugging at her skirt hems, so cute

I dunno if it's just a sign of how well BLOM draws you into his characters' world, or if I just played too much MegaMan as a kid, but I am totally into all the giant-footed, jointless Pilgrim women.

Well. Not Envy or Knives. Mainly Kim and Ramona. Flipping back through book 4 now, forgot how brilliant it was. The entire long crappy summer of discontent is really convincingly conveyed. There's some things that don't work as well (the Roxane plot, although it's better here than in the movie) but overall really great stuff.

Hmmm, wait, maybe some of that stuff is in volume 5. I'm thinking maybe it is, definitely Kim's "I used to play drums three times a week! My life had STRUCTURE! Now...we're 'recording.'"

Interesting post from O'Malley:

http://radiomaru.tumblr.com/post/53857149606/q-this-isnt-meant-to-be-an-insult-or-a-rant-or

I admire his honesty there

i watched this a few months ago and liked it a lot

it was cool that her first ex was south asian

i kind of love this movie and often watch through to the end when it shows up on tv. it's like adventure time with people.

that makes sense - this is a major watch, rewatch, rewatch again film for my girlfriend's 11-yr-old son, who's also Adventure Time obsessive.

It made me feel a touch embarrassed, it generally felt like my beautiful 23-year old self's boho fantasy

The large number of gays and Asians in it felt Toronto-accurate

skimming the thread now and

but the movie doesn't distance itself from his viewpoint?

I get what you're saying but in terms of exoticism or stereotyping, I'm just not convinced that the movie itself was that much better than the characters themselves, considering the presentation of e.g. Patel or the Katayanagi twins and their dragons. Knives didn't really seem to break away from the stereotype -- it wasn't just the way the dorky indie guys saw her.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:39 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

yeah i was talking to someone else who found the race representation in this movie to be problematic and it definitely is, but i think it comes closer to getting it right than a lot of other movies out right now, which is good i guess? didn't realize that patel's segment was supposed to be a parody of bollywood (have never seen a bollywood movie), and def did feel a bit uncomfortable that the azn girl ends up being a martial arts expert. but she also gets to dye her hair

wait, knives was a martial arts expert?

hmm she shows up at the end in a body suit and kicks ass doesn't she? idk

it could be i'm just totally blanking on that... i don't remember her fighting anyone

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100626182929/scottpilgrim/images/5/50/Knives-film-01.png

served

Everyone in the movie is unexplainedly a martial arts expert ffs

To be entirely fair, aren't most of the cast experts of some "fighting skill"? Granted, it might have been good to mix them up a bit - make Knives the skater while the California bro takes up roller derby or w/e - but it's not like it's this movie full of totally normal people and then the ONE martial artist is the Asian girl.

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I hated hated hated the books (although I only got through 1.5 of them) for many reasons going into this -- the bored pretentious hipster attitiude of the protagonist, the forced and floppy references to Toronto (i sort of know the city, enough to get his strained attempts to big up it), the repulsive misogyny on display alllll the time, the extreme othering of (a) women (b) queers (c) "non-white" people (literally the term used to describe someone at one point... non-white... and that someone dated this non-white guy to be cool or something)... I found it all so shitty and sickening and the exact opposite kind of pollution i wanted in my head (i prefer other pollution obv) -- but I went and saw the movie anyway (my roommates are in <3 with this so they brought me for my bday).

the extreme othering of (a) women (b) queers (c) "non-white" people

This. I found e.g. the constant emphasis on Knives being "Chinese" to be really grating.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:50 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

heh just a few months ago a friend (who runs around in all the same circles mentioned itt, indie alt w/e) told me w/ a straight face that it was 'cool' to date black girls now and that i should 'get one'

:/

but anyway i'm getting away from my larger point which was that i found knives to be one of the more rounded out characters in the movie and i liked that

v v relieved that i loved this movie after reading all the comments from ppl upthread who i think are not that much older than me going 'oh, i think i was just too old for this movie -- too noisy!'

Was amazed when I realized Matthew Patel from the movie was Cece's hapless fiancé on "New Girl."

!

whaaaat whoa i didn't catch that

https://ew.com/events/comic-con/scott-pilgrim-cast-reunion-table-read/

Scott Pilgrim - The Anime

This is not a drill! This is happening!

After much musing over the years about there being potential for an anime adaptation of ‘Scott Pilgrim’, I’m thrilled to say one is IMMINENT, with the whole cast back together and… you are going to lose your minds. pic.twitter.com/LyB7EIlcUD

— edgarwright (@edgarwright) March 30, 2023