extreme summer heat vs. extreme winter cold

toss up really. but i prefer the cold, and a nice stove.

Def. extreme summer. Even if I don't have a/c in my house, I can just lay around in shorts and drink beer or iced tea to cool off. Extreme cold is just miserable.

winter - if only because of the humid and sweat of extreme summer: it's repulsive.

Winter. I can always put more clothes on, make tea, and get up and do something active for warmth. Whereas in summer I just want to vomit and sweat in silence, sometime after my brain stops processing things other than how suffocatingly humid it is.

extreme summer is far more preferable. it's kind of nice to sit around and sweat sometimes. extreme cold is just miserable and it makes everything else miserable - going outside, driving to work, waking up in the morning to a freezing cold house. etc. etc. the only thing bad about my 85F degree house is that my produce goes bad a bit quicker.

Extreme winter cold any day. Because basically any kind of cold is just an excuse to put on more clothes. I'd be perfectly happy sitting around in tights, jeans, 2 pairs of socks, t-shirt, regular shirt, 2 jumpers, a cardigan, a parka and a wooly hat and my laptop on my lap to generate heat.

But in summer and when the heat comes, I just melt and lie there flopping about, so unhappy. It's not like I can flay myself and walk about without skin.

i like the cold!

Neither really is that horrible, it always passes. I DO get annoyed when extreme cold or heat goes on for days on end but there are worse things in life. Extreme cold = iced over streets = unsafe driving. Heat doesn't always work well enough. Extreme heat day after day is kind of bad for old people who don't have air conditioning.

extreme cold. the heat makes me irritable. cold weather doesn't affect my mood; it just means i'm looking for ways to warm up.

best of all possible worlds: cold *and* sunny, so i still get the vitamin d/seratonin/whatever.

I find that when it's extremely cold -- like, 20 below and shit -- it's usually sunny. But it's not like you're going outside, anyway.

Summer, it's why I moved from Boston to Austin.

Oh come on, anyone who votes winter is a Goth.

I suppose I might feel differently if I lived closer the equator.

...or just a person who burns easily.

obviously summer, im cypriot btw

turkish or greek side?

you people who are voting cold are completely incomprehensible to me

it sometimes depends where you live (voting the opposite to what youre used to)
i imagine not a lot of people from toronto would vote winter, for example.

I am completely incomprehensible to you.
xpost

People seem to forget how awful extreme heat can be. At a festival a couple of years ago, literally EVERYBODY was complaining, immobile, feeling sick, burnt, unable to enjoy themselves properly because of the heat. And then after a couple of months pass, those same people were talking about how 'nice' the weather was. WTF?

Cold all the way.

I grew up in NOLA and a lot of my friends made the joke that I was a reptile b/c of how much I love to soak in the heat. Heat means passion and life. If you have sex without breakin' a sweat then you're doin it wrong so anyone who complains about sweating can live in their chaste little untouched pheremoneless bubbles up in the bitter north. In the extreme heat of the summer you can almost see the grass growing in real time. When you get extreme heat for weeks at a time everything in the world just slows down. Ever had a margarita in the winter?

Oh come on, anyone who votes winter is a Goth.

*looks in mirror*

...or just a person who burns easily.

*looks in mirror*

Winter. I am so ready for fall and cooler weather. Extreme heat/humidity can suck it imo.

Being too hot is just *horrible*. And there is nothing you can do about it except endure it. I cannot understand why anyone would vote heat when cold is something which is so easy to compensate for.

don't compare sex with standing on a bus next to a sweaty person

xxxpost

Extreme heat = too hot to move, too uncomfortable for sexy time. Also, too much looking like a boiled lobster for anyone to fancy you.

Whereas cold = excuse for snuggles. Oh baby.

OTM

Having voted summer, I've recalled how uncomfortable I've often felt when visiting the tropics... Give me the hottest day English summer over the coldest day of English winter any fucking day though.

the question is rather you'd rather die by scorpion bite or being mauled by a polar bear.

Yeah, being overly hot is just the biggest passion killer there is. Why would anyone want to have sex when it's too hot to move?

Whereas, being cold = "would you like to come under this slumberdown with me, hrrrmmmmmm?"

"Give me the hottest day English summer"

how extreme could that be?

but it says "extreme winter cold" - that's necessarily "days that don't get above zero." I can wash my sweaty clothes but I can't get back the shoes that snow & salt destroyed. and summer nights are awesome, even at the highest peak of summer there's a little relief early in the morning - whereas winter is just fucking relentless

man I will never live anyplace with a real winter again, got the fuck outta that nonsense imo

and man you fellow horndogs who don't like gettin it on when it's incredibly hot...man I don't get that at all, either, the whole air during a real brutal summer already feels like a room in which you're goin at it, it's trying to put the idea in your head

xxp - lol, exactly. Although, to be fair, it did hit nearly 100 F once when I lived there but that was during an unprecedented heatwave and was fucking awful because most places don't have AC. I almost passed out on the tube one day.

Oh, I get feeling horny in the summer. It's just that the heat that makes you horny also prevents you from acting on it.

though i voted winter - i afree summer is the sexier season -
minimal clothing otm.

I miss snow, proper snow SOOO SOS OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOOOOOOOOOO much. Like, 3 foot of snow dumped in the drive, school called off, get your boots on swisssshhhh swisssssshhh snowsuit sound OH GOD I MISS SNOW. Proper winter just sucks for people who are ill prepared. Like, WTF are you doing wearing shoes in snow and salt? Get your boots on and a decent coat.

English winter is just a bit pissy. But the lack of an English summer more than compensates for it. It is August, I am walking around in a fleece. It's GR8.

and summer nights are awesome, even at the highest peak of summer there's a little relief early in the morning - whereas winter is just fucking relentless

^^^bam

height of summer is wearing few clothes and being mobile and walking vast distances and being chilled-out and forgetting about one's woes and drinking refrigerated juice - height of winter is snuggling IF YOU'RE LUCKY and then apart from that it's indoors, catching colds and generally not enjoying the world

That's my life anyway, man. Fuck seasonal difference.

and man you fellow horndogs who don't like gettin it on when it's incredibly hot...man I don't get that at all, either, the whole air during a real brutal summer already feels like a room in which you're goin at it, it's trying to put the idea in your head

ALSO THIS, summer is heady and lusty and procreative in all sorts of ways and trust me sexytime in the heat is definitely not impossible

I just want to live somewhere with one season year round, is that so wrong?

Yeah but it also says "extreme heat" which here means 90 + degree weather and unbearable humidity. Weather like that just makes me want to die. I have a hard time functioning. I'm really sensitive to heat/humidity. I like warm weather but not hot. 70-75 is perfect summer weather imo.

aerosmith OTM, summer =

http://www.lucasfan.com/store/bodyheat.jpg

You know what's really uncomfortable? Sitting around my house in mid-January in 27 pieces of clothing watching the numbers on my gas meter spin around and calculating the $$$$$ it's costing me not to freeze to death.

You can catch colds in summer as well, and they're always a lot more miserable because it's hot.

Not sure if I can choose wearing navy pea coats nice pants and boots over wearing tanktops cutoffs and slip-on shoes.

@ Karen - yeah the thing is I hate snow to Hell. If I never see it again, that is completely OK by me. sincerely glad there are people who don't go from zero to suicidal inside of the first five minutes of snowfall, y'all can enjoy the glory of the season and whatnot but as for me I'll take a barefoot-in-the-driveway xmas everytime

SEXY:
http://a3.vox.com/6a00c2252a15438e1d01240b8d4913860e-500pi

NOT SEXY:
http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/thing-movie-poster_59969.jpg

Keeping this high-ceilinged house tolerably cool in summer costs a fuckload more than keeping it tolerably warm in winter.

English people wearing few clothes and being outside chatting on their mobiles = MY IDEA OF HELL.

Lobster red sweaing gross for fucks sake put your jumpers back on NOW bring back the winter pls.

Phil D that is a booming movie, contains what my friend described as 'one of the only perfect murders in movie history' xpost to Body Heat

I just want to live somewhere with one season year round, is that so wrong?

Nah, that would take the delirious joy out of the first few days of proper spring. Best time of the year, and totally worth enduring the winter for.

Parkas are sexy as fuck. They are also sexy to fuck in.

http://perthquakeradio.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/le-matos1.jpg

people dress so much better in the winter. i hate staring at people's ugly flipflopped feet!

people dress so much better in the winter. i hate staring at people's ugly flipflopped feet!

― diurnal eternal falafel (get bent), Thursday, 19 August 2010 15:07 (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

OTM. Boots, people, BOOTS. Made of sex.

You don't like snow? That is insane. Snow is AWESOME.

Look, winter cold = sticking on Galaxie 500's version of 'Listen, the Snow is Falling', drink some mulled wine, get cosy with yr sexytime partner under some blankets.

bloody loads of xposts

And yeah, British people in summer = NOT HOT.

you stare at the wrong place
xpost

and at the wrong British people

mulled wine is a pretty persuasive argument tho I gotta say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hb3vx3DyGM

I wanted to GIS "boots made of sex" but my better judgement kicked in. Don't get me wrong, love me some boots, but still, winter = ass.

anyone who is not down with the cocoon of winter w/requisite snow storms and the "well no point in going outside gonna just hang here with hot coffee and a blanket and a book and a record on" feeling is so bizarre to me. It's like the definition of the word cozy. whereas escaping summer heat by getting into air conditioning is just hours of sadly looking out the window at welcoming sunshine and knowing that it is also trying to kill you.

hahahaha i swear to god that this is a total xpost to emil.y but she obv also knows whats up

Shiny, shiny, shiny boots of sex...

also, in the winter doing actual physical labor outside makes you feel better and makes it easier to survive, whereas in the summer doing the same is actually increasing yer danger level, which is a stupid ass way to live imo

love the snow, but this last winter where we had it for weeks and it turned to ice for what seemed like an age and i couldn't walk to the fucking shops without landing on my ass - fucking sucked.

i'll still go with extreme cold though, because extreme heat is for nazi type people i'm sure.

Uh . . . I mean yeah, I get hot and sweaty and shit when I mow the lawn but it's cool, I shower off and drink something cold. Whereas even clearing my 120 foot driveway with a snowblower makes me want to literally lie down in the snow and let hypothermia claim my aching body.

having reacquainted myself over the past four days with walking around in the humid summer heat, absolutely no question that i prefer the cold.

Cold by a crazy huge margin. jjjusten and emil.y have it right.

I can't get back the shoes that snow & salt destroyed

That's why people wear big honkin' boots. You go out in shoes that salt is going to damage and you get what you deserve, IMO.

People who complain about the cold make me laugh. Remember though that people from different countries, including cold-ass Canada are on this forum.

Cold, damp, etc are just things that I guess I'm programmed to endure. They're not strictly speaking COMFORTABLE, but they're...temporary. A hot bath and a hot drink and a little rest and you'll be perfectly fine. And once you do that for enough years of life, you start to actually ENJOY the coldness and dampness just because it promises the pleasures and comforts of getting warm again. It's nice that there are discomforts in life that are so easily solved, unlike loss or grief or regret, et al.

I don't find the same to be true about heat, for some reason. Heat makes me die.

you heat-loving people are actually giant salamanders in human skin

ps plz don't eat my eyes

man I feel like I'm talking to aliens, the second the weather gets cold I literally become suicidal. like every damn day of winter, back when I had to live through real winter, I'd be like "this garbage can't last forever, soon all this shitty horrible snow will be off the lawn and things will grow again and the world won't look disgusting." endured it for a decade in the midwest. no thank you. in re: nazis, they are from Germany where it's cold tho admittedly some of them fled to south America where it's not.

like when I say "suicidal" I do not mean "here is some hyperbole to describe my mental state in winter" I mean "around the fourth week of winter my desire to end my life begins palpably to rise and continues to do so until the last of the snow has melted"

I am a lone cold weather person in a family full of weird crazy hot weather people. So I am glad that there are reasonable and sane people on this thread. At least the ones that aren't that crazy Aerosmith.

Heat is GREAT. Heat is an excuse for SWIMMING and getting a TAN and being drunk in the middle of the day because you're happy not sad. Even music sounds better in extreme heat - you can drive around with the windows down and the stereo up and sweat makes some people look kinda good. Extreme cold (like, Chicago/Canada cold) is just so debilitating.

it would probably be remiss not to note that if you do this poll again in january a lot of this pro-cold anti-heat sentiment might be a mitigated a bit

not by me tho, i really 1000% hate the heat

I mean basically I think we can all agree that for like 90% of the world's populating, the perfect temperature is somewhere between 60 - 80 Fahrenheit, but if you are talking about -25F vs 115F, I am going to rep fro -25F every single time

We were in Vegas during a heat wave (approx 117F by 10 AM) and it was too hot to GO TO THE POOL, like I actually had the sensation of my skin cooking within 5 seconds of coming up out of the water. THAT IS NOT AWESOME, IT IS TERRIFYING AND UNCOMFORTABLE. At least extreme cold is not going to fool me into exposing large swathes of my skin to it!

Swimming is gross.

I do not tan, I burn.

Being drunk in the middle of the day is for disgusting savages who cannot wait for the sun to go past the yardarm (which takes FOREVER during long hot summer days.)

You are made of crazy. xx-post

Swimming is fun and amazing. I <3 the beach, I <3 waves.

I tan and it makes me look good.

I don't really drink, but it seemed smart to put it in there.

Also I like watching ceiling fans

And I love that feeling of being out at like 3am and the air is still warm

I actually like really hot weather, just not every f'in day and if it goes on long enough I have to worry about someone's grandma or aunt dropping dead because their air went out (fortunately that hasn't happened yet).

I'm not knocking tropical places, that is why they are nice to visit in winter. I just get sick and tired of Americans who move somewhere that is warm year round because "they can't take the cold". How is the US supposed to be superpower of the world with that kind of weak attitude. I understand some people's jobs make them move there. All I ever hear about though is how "nice" it is "down there". I like fresh water and deer and sledding.

I have to say that I do like the comforts that cold brings too. I'm just feeling the heat right now.

I like sitting in a deck chair and looking at the waves and congratulating myself on being sensible enough not to be in them, thank you very much. Especially when the WAVE! SMASHING! ACTION!!! is really high! and smashing! and that tends to happen more in cold weather.

Are any Aussies about at this hour? I found it quite hilarious what was considered to be cold when I was there in April - people putting their little portable radiators on when it was about eighteen degrees C.

And I love that feeling of being out at like 3am and the air is still warm

Yeah, this is great.

Being drunk in the middle of the day is for disgusting savages

ok now you're just trying to start a fight with like half of ilx

I like sitting in a deck chair and looking at the waves and congratulating myself on being sensible enough not to be in them, thank you very much.

the insanity of the winter-lover EXPOSED!!!1!

British Empire till I die!

:)

Also these extremes have their own sound. Cold is this drifting, reverby ambience, I dunno maybe some slushy sounds. And heat it like I don't know, merengue on car stereos and cicadas

lol

Cold is maybe a roaring fire, the slurp of hot cocoa

cold is quite slurpy and slushy

Honestly I should just give up and move to like the Outer Hebrides or Norway or somewhere it rains 300 days of the year and snows the other 65 and the waves smash all the time. Then I would be happy.

Being too hot makes me just want to claw mine own skin off.

Also in Siberia and places like that people's noses fall off and stuff. that seems sad

um crazy ppl listing "swimming" as a reason why extreme heat is awesome, you realize that in actual EXTREME HEAT you can't go swimming unless you have gills, right

Cold is this drifting, reverby ambience, I dunno maybe some slushy sounds.

Yes. Cold is Selected Ambient Works 85-92.

Hot is like Ibiza anthems.

nah this is heat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si-boN7yQ6M

I think I'm the only person who mentioned swimming so you can use my name!

No, that's bullshit, sorry

Would I swim in boiling water? No of course not, I'm not an idiot. Would I swim in the Pacific when it's like 110 degrees. Gladly!

heat is '85 thrash & tropicalia & all the good meat puppets albums

You're really not selling this to me.

heat is slow, sultry sex jamz

cold is harsh, loud industrial stomp

see, you can make anything awesome when described in terms of awesome music

yeah I mean cold is black metal which I love

but the great death metal bands are from brazil & florida

ok except for cannibal corpse & kataklysm

Some of the most astonishing places on earth (Siberia, Canada, Alaska, the Nordic countries) are very, very cold. No you can't go sit on a beach there. However I once wanted to go to a desert place for vacation and was reminded that I was wasting water if I wanted a place with a pool, that the Indians needed it...some very hot places are not all that beachy.

Ew. I thought you said "heat is slow sultry sex jazz" in which case I was going to start vomiting and booking my flight to the Arctic.

I was going to ask "what would 'sex jazz' even BE" but then I thought about it and got this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGtTblTR0YU

so glad I ruined sex for myself right before vacation ;_;

but anyway for me this is heat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V26zxH_JMk

and this is cold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnW03QWkSrM

and they are both great, but when talking about EXTREME physical sensations, it's easier to combat extreme cold than extreme heat, ergo cold wins

I got one word for all you cold-reppers: SAUNA. the vast majority of people who actually deal with extreme cold on a regular basis spend more time in saunas than they do outside (aside from obligatory snow shoveling).
The coldest AC I ever experienced in living in a subtropical climate for 25 years was maybe 60F. and that was in the freezer section of the grocery store.

Also, Fuck the sun not coming out for weeks at a time. That's bullshit.

Y'all need to move to Florida.

I've been there, but it was really hot.

so glad I ruined sex for myself right before vacation ;_;

By mentioning Kenny G you've ruined sex for everyone. Although there are now going to be a minority of ILXors who get aroused whenever they walk into a shopping mall.

IMO as a carless person extremem summer is way easier. Nothing worse than walking around on ice & slush, your feet cold & wet no matter what boots & socks & c you wear, having to wear nylons under your pants, your snot freezing in your nose, etc. Where as the worst part of extreme summer is risking homeless tan (sunscreen) and dehydration (water bottle). You cool down way quicker coming in from the heat than you warm up coming in from the cold.

And if I had a car, even less of a contest: I always hated shoveling show out from around my car, scraping its windows & windshields, etc...adds another cold & shitty 15 minutes to the morning routine. Plus driving on ice is horrible. I guess this is all to say I don't miss living in Idaho.

having grown up around chicago which has both, i'm gonna vote for extreme winter cold being far less intolerable than extreme summer heat. it is totally awesome to put on the fireplace and read and hang out indoors and aesthetically speaking snow is dope imo. there's no snow in l.a. (bummer) but we still get to use the fireplace.

I got one word for all you cold-reppers: SAUNA. the vast majority of people who actually deal with extreme cold on a regular basis spend more time in saunas than they do outside (aside from obligatory snow shoveling).

uh

summers where i grew up just turned everyone into lazy blobs, whereas winter was kinda bracing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o250Kfzcmmc

grownin up in socal i would be like "yeah..winter would be nice, gona wear one of those awesome winter coats, drink hot cocoa and be all wintery"

fast foward to my first February in the Northeast." fuck this shit, it's miserable, i fucking hate the winter"

i;m just not cut out for the winters,it's not in my blood

i don't have to vote in this poll because i get both

in extreme summer, you ate least get SOME relief at night. after a 115F day in Phoenix, the 95F night doesn't feel that bad and you can go out and do things. in extreme winter, it just gets much WORSE at night, no relief. extreme summer is annoying, extreme winter is soul sucking.

RONG

extreme winter is annoying, extreme summer is soul sucking.

^^^^FIXED

extreme summer is way way way better. It's so hard to sleep when it's cold and all my skin starts falling off. It also hurts to breathe when it is extremely cold. I'd much rather sweat than have to spend a million years putting on clothes before walking out the door, then take them off again when I get some place, then put them all back on. Ugh. Has anyone's limbs fallen off from it being hot outside? No.

I just can't relate to darkness/coldness not leading to depression, and more daylight & glorious sunlight not being preferable even with its own drawbacks.

here the summers are worse & I sweat really easily so I'm going w/summer heat, but I'm sure given a bone-chillingly cold winter I'd change my mind.

Karen where is your "extreme winter" taking place? it does not sound like the will-kill-you winters of, say, Chicago in mid-January.

My "extreme winter" experiences took place in upstate NY with full lake effect.

I would still rather than than 100 degree+ weather with 90% humidity and electrical storms but still no rain.

the second the weather gets cold I literally become suicidal.

Is this because of the cold, though, or the fact that winter days are shorter and thus darker? SAD is a fairly common winter affliction, I will admit, and I can understand those who suffer from it being perplexed by us cold-lovers.

we've more or less had both of these in the past year, coldest winter in 30 years and warmest summer since the 18th century. ridiculous. though however annoying a hot summer can be it's nothing compared to a really cold winter when you can't move or drive or take the train

Ha! I spent a couple years at a school in the Finger Lakes region. Lake effect snow is no BS that's for sure.

Not everyone who hates extreme heat hates the water. On at 90 degree day there's no where I'd rather be than in the ocean. Swimming is the best.

It's so hard to sleep when it's cold and all my skin starts falling off.

That is so weird to me. I can't sleep when it's too hot. In the winter I turn off the heat and open the windows in my bedroom. Of course, I use a giant featherbed then but I like the room bordering on freezing.

Yeah, I can't sleep in the heat. I hate it so much.

Another plus point for winter: insanely fierce waves crashing against cliffs. A sight that you can never ever get bored of.

Yeah, there is nothing better than getting under sacks of goosedown when it's really cold and nothing sticking out but the tips of your lips. (Yes, I know, bad vegetarian, but feathers are where it's at when it's cold and damp.) Being in bed snuggly and all wrapped up is one of the best experiences of winter. I'd hibernate if I could, but that doesn't mean I don't like winter, it means I love it, because I love sleeping. And winter offers lots of chances for it.

Sleeping when it's hot and the sun comes up at 4am is just inhuman.

Another plus point for winter: insanely fierce waves crashing against cliffs. A sight that you can never ever get bored of.

WAVES!!! SMASHING!!! I LOVE SMASHINGNESS OF WAVE SMASHING!!!!

Sleeping is worse in heat than in cold, I'll give you that. But only cause it's easier to combat the cold in that situation.

In the winter I turn off the heat and open the windows in my bedroom.

Oh, man, if my wife or I did this, someone would get stabbed in the face for real.

When it gets hot all I do is sleep. My apartment is coma inducing in the best way right now.

In the winter I turn off the heat and open the windows in my bedroom.

Oh, man, if my wife or I did this, someone would get stabbed in the face for real.

― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:53 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

aye aye

Another plus point for winter: insanely fierce waves crashing against cliffs. A sight that you can never ever get bored of.

WAVES!!! SMASHING!!! I LOVE SMASHINGNESS OF WAVE SMASHING!!!!

Would smash?

Would probably die if actually smashed.

Like like to watch.

Yeah, there is nothing better than getting under sacks of goosedown when it's really cold and nothing sticking out but the tips of your lips.

Also, we have cats in the house. You know where cats were really popular? Egypt. You know where they weren't? Finland.

I can't sleep without covers. Feel way too exposed.

Eff extreme heat in its stupid ass. I'm not wild about extreme cold, but there's always something you can do to warm up. Numbness is vastly preferable to moist wedgies.

I long for the day when we're allowed to traipse around in the altogether on 90-degree days with 100% humidity as if we were at all concerned with backing up this notion that we are the most intelligent species on the planet. Maybe on that day I'll change my mind.

fuck walking to and from the train in the snow and ice for reals

also, I might've been a little off on my sauna generalization, but I've been spending more time with scandinavians than americans the last year and a half and it's definitely true of them.

Also, adam very OTM regarding ceiling fans. Any fan of drone can attest to their majesty.

I can't sleep without covers. Feel way too exposed.

This is true for me, too. Have to sleep under something, even if it's just a thin sheet. Would much rather snuggle down into a nice warm blanket pile than be tossing and turning all night, repeatedly throwing off the covers and then putting them back on. Arrgh.

you know what is awesome when it is super hot? coming home from work and taking a cold shower followed by a nap. You can also sleep outside in the grass or the sand, in the pool, or next to the pool.

I want to sleep in extreme heat, I really do. But the problem is that I feel like I'm dying, mostly by suffocation, so I can only sleep about 3 hours at a time and then wake up gasping. I've tried fans, I've tried sleeping under towels wringing with cold water, I've tried drinking ice water endlessly, and at some point it just doesn't matter.

Back when I lived in a shitty shoebox in Jersey City, there was one summer where it was over 90 degrees in our apt for 4-5 days. I managed to cadge invitations to crash w other people most of that time, but one or two nights I did stay home and OOOF. When you're standing under your own shower with the water turned ALL THE WAY to just-out-of-the-ground-groundwater-cold and every part of yr body that's outside the direct shower spray is RADIATING heat like you're standing in an oven, and you know that eventually you have to turn the water off....

margaritas, vodka tonics, ice cold cans of schlitz>>>>>>>>>>>hot chocolate and mulled wine, both of which always burn my already frozen tongue.

You can also sleep outside in the grass or the sand, in the pool, or next to the pool.

If you want to get horribly burnt/skin cancer, sure.

Heat all the way. Just look at the cultures of hot countries vs. cold countries and the answer is obvious.

Extreme cold is simply further away from our body temperature and a comfortable room temperature than extreme heat is. All time worldwide cold record is -129 and all time heat record is 134. So that extreme cold would be 204 degrees away from a comfortable 75, while the extreme heat would only be 59 degrees away. The extreme records in the U.S. are -80 and 134 so still, the worst extreme cold in Alaska is theoretically more uncomfortable than the worst extreme heat in Death Valley.

yes Fetchboy OTM. so many great ways to cool down in the summer, all ways to get warm suck

Extreme cold all the way. So much easier to warm up than cool off imo.

xpost rong

there's such a thing as shade, emily.

wk dropping some SCIENCE

Do you know how much grass and sand would STICK TO ME with the amount of sweat pouring off my body? The only and I mean ONLY way that heat is tolerable is IF there's a large body of at least medium-cool water right next to it. And I mean RIGHT NEXT TO IT, like I better be able to walk over there and jump in. Under no other circumstance is there a single appealing thing about extreme heat, and maybe not even then (unless the water is REALLY cold), and in a lot of places in the world where extreme heat occurs, bodies of water are largely unavailable and/or not considered a responsible use of limited resources.

You know why they're limited? BECAUSE HUMANS WEREN'T MEANT TO VACATION ON THE SURFACE OF VENUS, GET YOUR ASS BACK TO EARTH IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.

The entire world was not made for people, we just think it should have been.

you can sleep under an umbrella! xp When I was a kid I kind of did get horribly burned a few times by falling asleep on a raft in the sand on the beach. :/

Just look at the cultures of hot countries vs. cold countries and the answer is obvious.

????????????????

IDK Perelandra made Venus sound like some psychedelic paradise.

aerosmith otm throughout this thread; i feel like a traitor to my hometown about this, and i've undergone a total aboutface on it since my childhood, but as an adult i can't handle winter at all.

I want to say extreme winter - but I've never really experienced it long term. We're talking the equivalent of a Phoenix/Dallas summer, right? 10 degrees F and snow?

and summer nights are awesome, even at the highest peak of summer there's a little relief early in the morning

I sleep less in the summer, but although I do like to feel rested, I have no particular love for sleep; I'm not the "fuck this comatose bullshit" dude I was as a teenager but I can't read or write or sing or cook dinner or make out while I'm asleep, so a season that has me staying up a little later and waking up a little earlier is a-ok in my book

This poll should kind of be expanded to more options, like "I grew up in places with extreme heat and prefer it" etc.

Laurel's Jersey City stories of 4-5 days of over 90(OMG) sounds so strange to me. I've slept comfortably in higher temperatures for longer stretches, but maybe it's b/c i grew up with it.

Yeah, this is the first year where I just didn't feel like it was safe to mow my yard. (I only have a push mower.) xpost to milo

This is me from December to April. I need as little of this as I can get away with.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/4908234946_861cfb678d_o.jpg

This poll should kind of be expanded to more options, like "I grew up in places with extreme heat and prefer it" etc.

concur, also should be combo'd with the iltmi shaving thread so the options are lik "I am a male, I grew up in Texas, I trim a little and prefer cold"

bracket poll or GTFO

"ladies and gentlemen, your winner...shaved women from wisconsin"

i hate both extremes

no wai...max weighing in for a moderate position? ;)

;)

i'm sorry are 27 exclamation points following a statement moderate???????

i mostly hate weather in general

the 'early morning relief' is that it's only 90 when you wake up instead of 105.

90 w/low humidity is very tolerable. I could, say, play tennis in that no prob.

i wish we all lived inside a biodome affixed at a constant temperature pressue and humidity index

and wore latex suits that regulated our body temperature

and were fed via IV and never had to think about anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xgjtm4_M20&feature=search

i'm sorry are 27 exclamation points following a statement moderate???????

if you have the right hookup each one of those exclamation points is sort of its own little mellow moment of affirmation

it's beautiful man

first of all i believe in enthusiasm above all, second of all, whatever

The best is on a really hot 100+ summer day, to get so stoned you can barely function, then get into a hot car with no a/c and listen to metal at a generous volume, and it kind of sobers you up in a great way -- pure bliss.

only good thing about 100+ summer days is exiting a place that has the AC cranked down to like 65.

first of all i believe in enthusiasm above all, second of all, whatever

max I also believe in enthusiasm over everything I am just having fun

i was feeling pretty insulted

heat is nicer, i think.

but really the nicest is early fall & its brisk but still sunny & u can wear yr best sweaters or a thin jacket but during the heart of the afternoon just a tshirt. and the air is p clean and clear & theres a nice breeze & the leaves look really pretty...

Been watching this thread for a while trying to think of how to vote, but I hate them both too much to reach a conclusion.

Wd take ten slightly cold winters over one slightly hot summer, cz I am one of those fatteys and I sweat and burn easily and my brain just shuts down completely when the temperature hits even the high 20s. So my first thought was that winter was better, but I also have terrible circulation and it's pretty miserable when you're wearing about as many layers as you physically can and you're still too cold to feel your limbs or to sleep and the cold seems to go right through yr bones.

Want to live on a planet where it never gets above 26 or below -5 (which itself is reserved for v rare occasions and must always snow just long enough to be pretty and then melt before it gets slushy/icy and dangerous) and never gets dark before 8pm.

i was feeling pretty insulted

you know I was born w/o a sarcasm detector right

Don't bring other seasons into it because Autumn pretty much pwns everything in glorious sugar maple leaf technicolour.

Want to live on a planet where it never gets above 26 or below -5

was all o_O and then i remembered that the rest of the world that is not dumb as hell uses C not F

the summer heat makes me want to cry

the winter makes me want to live

The existence of saunas and hot tubs seems to prove that heat is more tolerable and even enjoyable than cold. I know that some spas have cold pools as well, but those seem to be used to jump back and forth between hot and cold. I don't think anyone goes to the spa and just hangs out in 30 degree water all day. People who live near the equator don't have walk in freezers in their houses where they just chill out in a towel.

until someone invents a machine with which to condition our air you are certainly correct

65-75F is a LOT closer to extreme heat than 140-212F are to extreme cold.

Saunas are what, about 50 degrees or more above our body temperature? Who keeps their a/c at 48!?
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65-75F is a LOT closer to extreme heat than 140-212F are to extreme cold.

Our body temperature is closer to extreme heat than extreme cold.

using your same logic we are also much closer to freezing than the boiling point so i say that cold wins

the bushes in my yard are much closer in height to me than chimps are so it seems obvious that i evolved from plants

if you want to go there, our body heat would classify as extreme heat to a lot of the people on this thread. The point I meant to make was that people living in extreme cold often take shelter in MUCH more extreme heat than found in nature, whereas people living in extreme heat need only a minor temperature adjustment and have no interest in actually experiencing cold weather as a remedy.

xp

lol jj

is that why your face is so bushy

I hate the cold, but I can always put on a sweater or add layers. In the summer, I can never get cool; even with the A/C going I'm a sweaty, tired mess. But the quandary is that despite extreme heat and humidity in the summer, it's uncomfortable but still tolerable, even if just for a short bit on the way to the pool. But in the winter, the snot-freezing cold is so unpleasant I just stay in.

What's really odd - and I've been reminded of this by my own small kids - is that I don't remember a single day when I was little that was either too hot or too cold to go outside in. But now there are all sorts of days where the kids want to go out in both extremes and I'm, like, nooooooooooo!

Echoing what others have said, and what my dad used to say that used to piss off a younger, thinner, and colder me: In winter you can always put on more layers, but in the summer, you can only take off so many layers and it stops helping.

The body's heating system works a lot better than its cooling system.

You can't put many layers on your nostrils though. Sweaty balls>>>>frozen snot

um, no

why is that even a choice/comparison

Who keeps their a/c at 48!?

the entirety of the American midwest IIRC

somebody stop me from making a sweaty balls v frozen snot poll

I command you to make such a poll

because those are the 2 things that still happen no matter how many layers you take off/put on duh

in that case a lot of women should love the heat

because of the indwelling feminine tendency toward an all-consuming obsession with sweaty balls?

I was more thinking "because they don't have balls to get sweaty" but we could go with your answer, I guess

Important poll re: hot vs. cold climates

placed in such a way that outsider votes will be encouraged

using your same logic we are also much closer to freezing than the boiling point so i say that cold wins

Except that natural outdoor temperatures (not in a sauna) never reach the boiling point of water, while people regularly have to experience freezing temperatures. And since we're mostly made up of water, we should strive to reach a nice middle point between freezing and boiling -- a comfy 122.

if you want to go there, our body heat would classify as extreme heat to a lot of the people on this thread.

They're probably English.

the entirety of the American midwest IIRC

exactly

i note that you have not responded to my shrubolution argument

I'm trying to figure out the average internal temperature of chimps and bushes before I can construct a proper response.

hahaha john

think I voted extreme heat yesterday but I take it back and am voting extreme cold, so if extreme heat wins by 1 NOT SO FAST

like yeah when it's really cold it actually encourages movement cause you should just put on a lot of clothes and go outside and start moving and never stop but when it's really hot and humid it's like you ought to try to keep still as possible which is dud

also winter clothes are much cooler looking than summer clothes

also that feeling you get when it's really dry and cold outside and you breathe in through your nose and your nasal membranes hurt because of the ozone and the cold, that's classic

I can't warm up. So I like heat.

Somewhere on the Internet I found an article or paper on the correlation between advanced cultures and extremely cold weather, but now I can't find it. It suggested something about brutally cold weather being a motivator for doing stuff and for building character. Or something.

Sounds like a veiled racist statement.

In winter you can always put on more layers, but in the summer, you can only take off so many layers and it stops helping.

Yup.

It sounded like it to me, too, on the face of it, at least. I didn't read it that carefully, so I can't say whether the author took the potential for sounding racist into account or if it was racist, or just what. And dammit, I cannot find it now at all. I found it through Reddit.

oops, xp

Ugh it's like 85 today, gross

but also

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l795ekKYth1qb25dg.jpg

anyone remember that twilight zone episode where they think the earth is moving closer to the sun but actually it was all in this lady's dream because she was having a fever and then the fever broke because it was really cold due to the fact that the earth was moving away from the sun?

so this poll breaks down to, for the earth's eventual demise, do you want the earth to spiral inwards and be burned up inside the sun or do you want the earth to spiral outwards and eventually end up further away from the sun than the kepler belt

If the earth starts moving away from the sun, I'm going to start posting in the suicide thread.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i think we did a poll like this before? actually, i think that I did a poll like this before.

i voted extreme cold -- easier to escape and prepare for.

yo this is extreme cold easy - you can always chill inside by a fire, or wrap yourself in blankets, or cuddle with a chick, etc. seems like there's something you can at least do about being too cold; 100+ degree days just lead to this when-will-this-end despair

i mean t/s:

"man it's cold out today, huh? let's just stay inside and do some shit"

vs

"fuck i can't even go outside without my shirt becoming drenched in sweat. this is boring. i'm bored now."

want...

winter...

now...

*dies*

Thank Christ that we've finally gotten a break from this unbearable summer. 7 day forecast: Highs in the upper-70s, lows in the upper-50s.

I'm just keep repeating that number in my head: 50s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you people for whom going outside & enjoying yourself when it's wiltingly hot is just not an option, & who are gonna run this poll with your bizarre ability to enjoy bullshit freezing weather instead of being reasonable & craving death in the absence of the benevolent warming sun, are weirdos, the lot of you

^coming from the mfer who says he never leaves the house

"craves death" was Kenan's FB status about a month ago and I realized that that is exactly what much of summer means to me.

I've probably said it before, but the weather is unpleasant much of the time, it's just a matter of which unpleasantness you tolerate best. Me, I would go for stereotypically Seattle-like weather: cool, cloudy, drizzly. But that's not really what we do here in Chicago, so I choose winter.

^coming from the mfer who says he never leaves the house

spent 10 years in Iowa in a house w/o central air (and w/o even a window unit for 6 of those)

heat is rad

I have a reason to not look forward to winter this year, as I have taken to bicycling or walking literally everywhere I go, and often aimlessly. A road bike in January in Chicago is probably not going to happen too often. I will miss it like mad.

But I will always compare any weather in my mind to summer in Houston, which is about ten months long, 90-100 degrees for most of that time, and never below about 70% humidity. (And at 90 degrees, 70% humidity is PUNISHING.) I will never live in the South again, so help me Jesus.

i don't even know what kind of a dick face would say extreme heat but i've always carried an extra ~15 lbs, so. maybe if summer heat says to you "let's do a photoshoot involving a box fan and an re-eroticization of old-pictures-of-teri-garr bikini underwear" then i guess i can see the appeal but imo fuck everything

just wanna create a cocoon of a forest green knit afghan and a fleece blanket printed with the logo of a university that i did not attend and enjoy living in that shit

Not having A/C for most of my life, and growing up in Michigan, extreme cold is always easier. Hell, I moved out to Portland and the heat at night is just killing me. The heat sucks up way too much energy to try to get rid of it, whereas I can deal with cold. I'm overweight, tho, so I have still have a protective layer of Michigan blubber on me.

Winter is when I'm most tempted to turn to a protective bourbon layer.

this weather is miserable. it's also pretty funny how it was 75 in santa monica and a few miles over the hills is was 30+ degrees hotter.

Also, I sleep cold, and too much heat at night is intolerable.

Julia and I have near-arguments in the middle of the night about the AC. She doesn't like to be cold. I'm TOTALLY fine with being cold. Crank that AC, grab an extra blanket, snuggle up to me, whatever. Just don't let me break a sweat in my sleep. I fucking hate that shit.

i mean t/s:

"man it's cold out today, huh? let's just stay inside and do some shit"

vs

"fuck i can't even go outside without my shirt becoming drenched in sweat. this is boring. i'm bored now."

― max skim (k3vin k.), Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

If by saying this you mean "In the summer my brain doesn't function and I forget that there are things that I can do inside, whereas in the winter I'm not a complete idiot" then I can understand why you prefer the cold.

we definitely had this thread before, it devolved into arguing that people who preferred snuggling up in front of a log fire with the central heating on wearing thick fleeces weren't exactly taking the concept of extreme winter cold seriously.

on the rare occasions i get to experience extreme summer heat i sometimes think that extreme cold might be better. when i'm frozen solid in the winter i think GODDAMNIT BRING ON THE HEAT ALREADY.

there is that first day of winter, where putting on shirt and jacket and long winter coat and winter boots always makes me feel like 1000% stylish dude. but we are talking british winter here where xtreem insulated cold weather gear is not a requirement.

xp yeah but who WANTS to be inside in the summer?

If you're in Houston, believe me, you want to be inside.

Inside an ice cave on Hoth.

the worst is changeable weather. Yesterday it was cold, today it is warm - what's that all about?

I'm freezing right now.

i always used to say cold was worse but this summer has been like a nightmare where i am trapped inside of a feverish rectum

Yesterday it was cold, today it is warm - what's that all about?

I apologize in advance for this, but...

http://img.webthrowdown.com/scripts/timthumb.php?src=/throwdowns/jerry-seinfeld-593-2.jpg&w=125&h=125&zc=1&q=100

I'm freezing right now.

So put on a jacket. It's what, in the mid 60's? Suck it up. Some of us need our fresh air.

Oh yeah. Bring it on.

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/terrygross.jpg

cold. heat=having to take 2-3 showers a day to stay fresh and lie around in your underwear all day. cold=having to bundle up. snow is a pain, but heat brings more rain, storms, tornados, hurricanes, et al.

we definitely had this thread before

Yeah, I think so, but maybe the difference is in the "extreme"? If it gets extreme enough, I agree that it's a wash. I don't want to burst into flames any more than I want to be found perfectly preserved in a glacier in 20 years.

Except that we're talking about actual weather, where you can actually get trapped in a glacier by cold weather but not spontaneously combust from the heat.

it devolved into arguing that people who preferred snuggling up in front of a log fire with the central heating on wearing thick fleeces weren't exactly taking the concept of extreme winter cold seriously.

I've lived in an unheated apartment where the pipes froze under the kitchen sink in the course of one afternoon. I'm not comparing "being hot in the summer" to "being warm indoors in the winter" -- I'm saying I'd rather have a constant chill than a constant sweat.

It's the warming-up process that I crave: you're actually cold but you just pulled up the comforter so in about 10 minutes you'll return to "sleepable" temps.

So put on a jacket. It's what, in the mid 60's? Suck it up. Some of us need our fresh air.

At 15°C (59°F apparently) it is a little colder than I would generally like to sit in a 3/4-sleeve shirt with the windows open, but I'm not going to shut the window because this is the world's stuffiest office and I need some oxygen, and I'm not going to put my thin summer fleece on because I can't bear to admit I'm feeling the cold before the officemate I once saw sit in a full winter jacket and scarf when it was like 25° out. So I've made a cup of tea to put my hands on.

I think what we're learning here today, for the very first time ever, is that some people get cold easily and dislike it, and some people get hot easily and dislike it.

we're talking about actual weather, where you can actually get trapped in a glacier by cold weather but not spontaneously combust from the heat.

Ok, not "spontaneously combust". Granted, that was an exaggeration. How about just, you know, DIE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermia

think we should also realize not everybody here lives in a place where to them 'extreme cold' means sub-zero temperatures and blizzards.

I for one don't (and am glad)

IThe weather can get nasty in Chicago, but when people start dropping dead in the dozens or even hundreds, it's never from the cold.

it's from the infections

It's mostly from being old and alone, to tell the truth. Old and alone and baking in a stuffy apartment. :(

After 2 pretty lousy, unseasonably cold and rainy summers, and even after an unseasonable warm and snow-free winter, I was surprised to see how much I didn't mind, and actually like really hot days. It feels like it's been so long since I really sweat, and I'm really appreciating it.

Also I have a basement and AC in my house.

It's b/c of Chicago's political democrap mafia and their ageist plot rid the world of respectable conservative citizens. -xp

ok here's another argument against the heat:

HOW GODDAMN HIGH MY ELECTRIC BILL IS RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE AC WORKING OVERTIME. compared to the rest of the year it's more than double

I get cold slightly easily (bad circulation) and dislike it. I get hot very easily and hate it. So, a standard "hot vs cold" is easy to answer, but "extreme hot vs extreme cold" is more confusing, because I probably can't deal with either at all well.

Though, I've been outside in -25ish (unknown in southern England) and didn't really feel any worse to being outside at -2 (rare during daytime but happens once every few years): both OK when wrapped up well but not fun for extended periods.

Whereas even 30 (once unusual in the UK, now a yearly occurrence) makes me exhausted and cranky and get sunburnt to a lobster shade. 35ish made me feel nauseous all day. Can't even imagine 40+, don't think I could cope at all. And if "extreme" means anything at all, 40 is probably less extreme than -25, across the populated areas of the world. (Open to debate on this, though, as this is based on 0 research)

40 is probably less extreme than -25

Well, the saying about it not being the heat but instead the humidity -- it's not a matter of opinion. The awful thing that humidity does is that it prevents the sweat on your skin from evaporating, which is how your body tries to cool itself. Low humidity, you can naturally cool yourself just fine. High humidity, more of an uphill climb for your body's natural cooling mechanisms. This is not to say that people can't adapt to widely varying climates over time. But in general, hot and humid is more dangerous than hot and dry.

There's no such thing as "cold and humid," fortunately.

At least, not *very* cold.

Hi dere! Waht is frost maed?

I knew someone was going to argue with that. Just stop it.

You know, I didn't mind the heat NEARLY as much while we were in Michigan, and it was just as hot as NY, and in fact MORE humid because of all the grass & soil that would hold moisture & dew and then release it during the day. It's NICE to be hot when a) you don't have to concentrate on work, b) you can run a cold hose over your feet anytime you want, and c) even the hot air smells fresh and clean.

In general I find that heat is conducive to leisure, and cold to industry. Maybe that's part of this, too?

That's interesting, actually. I have a friend who theorizes that Chicago may be the "City the works" because there's so much of the year that there's nothing to do but work. The work she was referring to was writing, but even then cold weather probably works double time.

"city THAT works", meant to say

So what I really need is a living room where I can attach a hose to the sink, spray everything down when it gets dusty or sticky, and let the water run off into a floor drain.

^^^^

I can't imagine that would be very cozy, regardless of temperature.

Sure it can. There's always teak and other water-resistant woods or pretty furnitures that you can get wet/leave outside even.

I'll move the cushions & pillows and soft goods for the wash down and put them back after.

This is how I feel about bathrooms, too. If you can't spray the walls down after scrubbing them, what good is it as a wet-room?

Ah. I see where you're at.

Laurel is OTM today, re hose-able home and

It's the warming-up process that I crave: you're actually cold but you just pulled up the comforter so in about 10 minutes you'll return to "sleepable" temps.

― Jesus doesn't want me for a thundercloud (Laurel), Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:14 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I love the 5 minutes or so after I come in from the cold. What's sort of annoying is that that feeling soon turns into being hot, especially in winter when I board a bus or train or go into a store w/ my jacket on. I've learned to strip my outerwear off before I sit down on the bus or train b/c otherwise I'll get boxed in be unable to free myself from my parka, in which it feels like deepest August.

Kenan, it can indeed be cold and humid. Those conditions made the relatively mild winters in NC still feel harsh.

indeed

But that's not "extreme" cold, that's just "pissing me off" cold. Dangerous heat is probably a lot easier to come by in NC. Or most places south of Canada.

Jesse: Exactly!! Once you get warm, then you get too warm, and then my back prickles like someone is poking me with pins and I start feeling vaguely nauseated. And then I sweat. And I hate sweating when fully dressed.

I'd rather still be in the process of getting warm at all.

I guess for me it depends on how much I'm moving around. Just walking to the train can still leave me pleasantly cool enough inside that I can survive a train ride with all my gear on. Walking seven blocks to the train while carrying 15 pounds of extra shit for whatever reason... well, I hope the trains takes a minutes to arrive so I can mellow a bit, otherwise it's that prickly thing.

Yeh, in the time I lived in NC it never got down to 0º or under. I think the coldest it got was 10º.

Unbelievably, many schools did not have A/C at that time (1990s), so in late May and early August we got school closing due to extreme heat. And in winter they closed due to the mere rumor of a possibility of snow. (This almost fucked up my graduation b/c we wound up under the state-mandated days in school.)

xp Laurel: Yes, I forgot about the nausea. Fortunately, my winter coat has zippered vents under the arms so I can cool down after my walk to the train, but it's not enough to make the actual ride comfortable.

xp to myself: In which case I take off my coat. When are you ever so boxed in that you can't stand up, be polite, and wriggle your coat off? Give someone else your seat while you do it, makes you look like not at all a dick.

Or so I imagine.

Then again, I fell asleep and spilled coffee on the person next to me once, so maybe train etiquette is not my area.

spent 10 years in Iowa

And if some of you were wondering where Aero got his antipathy to cold weather....

So what I really need is a living room where I can attach a hose to the sink, spray everything down when it gets dusty or sticky, and let the water run off into a floor drain.

WANT. NOW.

See, I kind of don't. I mean it's great in theory, but there's something about a room... I can't say what I mean exactly. Maybe that if I don't spend time thoroughly cleaning it myself, it's not really mine. I don't want a disposable room.

I want a DIFFICULT room filled with upholstery and rugs and things that have to be dusted and vacuumed...

I'm not content with dusting, a great deal of the time (esp because we smoke inside and everything gets so ashy when you're not super careful). I feel the only way to make something TRULY CLEAN has to involve water and/or washing. Dry methods of cleaning don't convince me.

Would you ever settle for damp?

Is there steam-cleaning involved?

Maybe once every year or two, but no, not really. I'm just looking for a compromise between "dusting" and "garden hose".

Maybe that if I don't spend time thoroughly cleaning it myself, it's not really mine.

Cool. How about coming over and doing mine if you like cleaning living rooms so much?

I didn't say it was fun.

I used a damp rag to wipe down the computer table on Sat and dislodged something, cutting off our internet connection until everything was rebooted 5 times and then mysteriously decided to work, and got yelled at for putting even one drop of water near an electronic device. I'll tell you what else I'm going to use a garden hose on....

i want a house made of nerf, inside and out

I really like your idea of the disposable room, though. Use once, then throw into the recycle bin.

xxp I think we're getting nearer to the root of your issue...

:)

I'd just like to say that this thread doesn't make me want to murder somebody so bad now that the heat down here has broken. (Yesterday's high was 89, I grilled burgers and we ate dinner on the back deck. Heaven.)

xxp I think we're getting nearer to the root of your issue...

:)

I sense that you're not a "use once, then throw away" kind of guy. Which I like--I'd want to keep you around for a while, too. (After you finish dusting the mantelpiece, that is.) :-)

...

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Yankees.

screw that.
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important sister poll Important poll re: hot vs. cold climates backs up these key results imo

vindication

I'm a little bit surprised. In the dog days I feel like I'm a freak for hating life.

As I said elsewhere, tonight in Chicago is UH-MAZING. 72, windy, not humid, and clear. I am seated outside, basking. Reveling, even.

Poll don't lie.

Troof.

last night we got an influx of flies (like eight of them) in our kitchen. i think they may have been hanging out in a cabinet i don't use that much, and escaped when i opened it to get out a serving bowl. we were gonna have a nice relaxed dinner but we got accosted by FLIES. i keep a pretty clean kitchen and take out the trash and recyclables often. and yet.

flies are not winter bugs.

(killing them all was its own tragicomedy that i won't go into here.)

We've had two alligators in the Chicago River this year. Winter should wipe out any stragglers.

WHAT?! really?

Yes. They were pretty small. There was one in NYC the other day, too. Under a car.

Here is the story about the most recent one in Chicago: http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/alligator-spotted-on-north-branch-of-chicago-river.html

I take it all back haha

It shouldn't be 80 degrees at 4am. This is nuts

It's sexy though. VERY sexy

no poll option for "extreme autumn wind"?

Was miserable last night. :( But somehow too lazy/woken up too confusedly to turn on the AC.

More people REALLY voted for extreme cold? Mentalists.

it would be interesting to see what the results of this poll would have been if it was done in february

anyway, while I don't really like either, I'm much better at handling extreme cold than extreme heat. Really hot and humid weather puts me in a bad mood in a way cold weather never could

We'll see who is scrambling to change their votes when Seasonal Affective Disorder sets in. MARK MY WORDS!

^^^

I'm confident my vote would be the same any time of year but I'm sort of an extremist about this matter.

I was cold this morning.

We'll see who is scrambling to change their votes when Seasonal Affective Disorder sets in. MARK MY WORDS!

― a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 14:30 (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^

― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 14:31 (35 minutes ago)

^^^

Darkness is sad-making but in terms of sheer physical misery, winter hasn't got a patch on summer, particularly THIS summer, including the current 80 deg and 100% humidity mark.

Yeh, I am dreading the darkness. It's so fucking terrible on the eastern edge of a time zone. But we're not talking about darkness, we're talking about extreme temperatures.

Oh, man, how I wish all you "extreme cold" folks were in Cleveland with me today.

these results are absurd

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/205168058.jpg

SO COMFY

i love sweltering humidity, hate any temperature under 60

fuck winter

the smell of marijuana smoke borne aloft under a summer sky

vs.

the smell of marijuana smoke darting around a corner on a winter wind

27 in Cleveland today? hmph

Plus 25mph wind gusts and 9mph sustained winds, so make that a wind chill of 13.

whatevs

Winter is some bullshlt

In spite of how cold it's been, I'm still picking cold over heat.

! I meant to revive this thread this morning. It's been down to 14 in Chicago, with wind. Wind chill has been in the single digits.

And I was going to revive it and say that not only do I prefer bone-chilling over sweltering, I like this kind of weather because indoor coziness is AWESOME. Taking shelter from the cold = hot cocoa, blankies, cuddling.

Taking shelter from the heinous, nasty heat = showers, A/C struggling to keep it cool, and wanting to murder anyone who touches me.

And to think a week ago I was in Southern California.

I love this weather and the full dark by 4:30.

yesssss

MONDAY:
Day: Mostly clear Highs 11 to 15

Night: Mostly clear Lows 1 below to 3 above zero

It also says "Windy" and shows this http://img.weather.weatherbug.com/forecast/icons/localized/50x42/en/trans/cond050.png but does not show speeds.

Previous days had 15MPH winds and did not say "Windy," so I expect we're in for it.

spent last evening shoveling my driveway and was actually surprised by how much I was enjoying the cold

It was about -8 C with hardly any wind, perfect winter temperature

I guess that's not extreme winter cold though

Leavin the house at 6:00am walking a mile to my train then another mile to work from the train in this shit is fucked. it almost hurts me sometimes. Walking in the heat and sweating may be uncomfortable to me but it does not hurt

since i don't have heating here everyone who said they prefer extreme cold can suck my dick, that'll keep me warm i'm sure.

Where are you that you don't have heat?

i'm in scotland and tonight's temperature is forecast at -7°C. i have a little plug-in heater that, in these temperatures, succeeds in making the area six inches around it kinda tolerable, so these days i don't move much.

I don't understand how this can be. Sorry Merdeyeux :(

Oh thats awful :/

I mean - that can't be legal.

Is your heat not working or is that normal for Scotland?

xp

i don't have any central heating, which seems to be fairly common in the cheap housing that we students find ourselves in. i think law-wise landlords are obligated to have heating in housing that pensioners live in, but otherwise you're shit out of luck. but ey i spent tonight at the warm house of a friend and now i'm drunk enough to be just about impervious to the horrors around me, so i'm good.

And I was going to revive it and say that not only do I prefer bone-chilling over sweltering, I like this kind of weather because indoor coziness is AWESOME. Taking shelter from the cold = hot cocoa, blankies, cuddling.

Taking shelter from the heinous, nasty heat = showers, A/C struggling to keep it cool, and wanting to murder anyone who touches me.

Jesse is LUDICROUSLY otm. Who would rather not snuggle than snuggle? It just makes no damn sense.

Walking in the heat and sweating may be uncomfortable to me but it does not hurt

key point

Over the years I've been working on the mind-over-matter approach to dealing with the cold. It's worse if you think about how cold it is, if you brace yourself and constrict against it. For short periods I'm able to convince myself it's no big whup, I'm just an impassive receiver of sensory messages coming in informing me of the ambient temperature etc. Shit generally works long enough to make it to my car and the heat to kick in.

If the cold hurts you, you haven't learned to dress for it.

or maybe you just don't want to put on 20 layers, a scarf, gloves and hat for a short outing, ever think about that

i'm in scotland and tonight's temperature is forecast at -7°C

Oh, boo bloody hoo. It's -11°C out right now, and I think I'll go to the store before it closes. Or maybe I'll just go dancing. Yes, that's it, I'll dance a fancy jig just to prove that -7 is some seriously lame shit to bitch about.

I walked a mile in -13°C first thing this morning, and I am not bragging or exaggerating in any way. O was also dressed so that I was sweaty when I got home.

duuuuuuuuude i am 100% happy to be energetically walking around in these conditions, it's the sitting relatively still at home that's doing me in.

and i'm just not fit enough to exercise 24 hours a day.

True, my landlord is exceptionally generous with the heat, and my old building is exceptionally well-sealed.

Also this peach sorbet is delicious, and I must put it back in the freezer before I eat the whole pint.

you winter people are rich assholes fyi

enjoy yr gold plated parkas or w/e

Oh man, boy you got my number, i tell you whut.

Yes, that's it, I'll dance a fancy jig just to prove that -7 is some seriously lame shit to bitch about.

It's all relative, though. Your -13C ain't shit for a Yakutskite (avg Jan high: -33C)

Kenan, WTF? Why are you using celsius? Traitor.

I guess I still don't know how to dress for the winter. Always bone chilling cold and can't seem to get warm the entire day.

I could never enjoy my gold-plated parka, as gold conducted heat.

I'm not rich, but Chicago law means that I can sit on my couch naked and warm while I post this while it is -6.666666666666667°C (20°F) outside.

The Chicago Municipal Code states that, from September 15 of each year to June 1 of the following year, the temperature in your apartment must be at least:

* 68 degrees from 8:30 a.m. to 10:30 p.m.
* 66 degrees for all other times.

And heat is included in my fairly cheap rent.

I'll dance a fancy jig just to prove that -7 is some seriously lame shit to bitch about.

As a former Chicagoan and native Clevelander, I concur.

I now live in St. John's, Newfoundland and all anybody does here is bitch about the weather. People are always saying to me, "oooh, you're new here, just wait until the winter!" This place, while it holds many weather records, has the third mildest climate in Canada. Right now it's sunny and 44F/7C. This is not fazing me.

It's never been so cold I couldn't sleep.

Def. not the same case for heat.

I've hardly experienced extremes though.

The Chicago Municipal Code states that, from September 15 of each year to June 1 of the following year, the temperature in your apartment must be at least:

* 68 degrees from 8:30 a.m. to 10:30 p.m.
* 66 degrees for all other times.

wow. kinda torn between a) good on the gubbermint for ensuring rat bastard landlords don't freeze pensioners to death, and ii) damnit let's think abt global warming here, expecting to walk round yr apartment in shirtsleeves in winter is not reasonable.

Cold takes a long time to affect the way *I* feel, as opposed to the way my extremities feel. My hands, feet, skin of my butt and legs can be cold to the touch, but I'm well insulated and the coldness doesn't get to my torso and make me shiver and be miserable.

Heat, otoh, hits me right in the gut right from the beginning and makes me want to trade 3 years of my life to stop sweating.

I really just think you have to be born to one or the other. The bf has a crazy metabolism, faster breathing and heartbeat than I do, radiates heat like it's his JOB, and will claim to be freezing to death when I'm wearing a T-shirt inside.

66 indoors when it's below freezing outside in hardly balmy. xpost

FYI 66 degrees isn't shirtsleeve temp. You pretty much will need at least a sweater and socks on. xp exactly

and 68? by 10.30pm all decent people should be tucked under duvets.

how does one end up in newfoundland?

also, does the code mean yr heat has to be on even if yr not at home?

The heat is centrally controlled for the whole building, ledge, in many cases. If that's so, you won't have your own thermostat to turn down when you leave or go to bed -- the heat is just constant.

that's pretty bad imo ;_;

maybe more energy-efficient to do it that way than to give individual tenants their own thermostats?

arguable. you'd think a few people would have enough of an eye on the gas bill to have their heating off when they're out at work.

yeah but I'm saying it might still be more efficient overall to have one big central heating unit operating in the manner described above, rather than a bunch of smaller units, even if the latter could be more precisely controlled

we have thermostat set to go down 2 degrees during work hours. turning it completely off winds up being pretty inefficient, actually.

yeah, having to heat a whole house up from meat locker temperatures when you get home from work is not the best way to go about it imo

only SCIENCE can answer this question

Units heat each other through the floors and walls, so if they were individually turned off/on, and one got really cold, it would suck heat out of all adjacent units as well, making THOSE people turn their heat up. Plus, how would the building's owner, who is responsible for keeping the temp at non-life-threatening levels, know when each tenant is in or out??

how does one end up in newfoundland?

When I figure it out, I'll let you know.

Plus, how would the building's owner, who is responsible for keeping the temp at non-life-threatening levels, know when each tenant is in or out??

well i was questioning the legislation really (in the event of SCIENCE proving me right) (pensioners freezing to death notwithstanding). or yr frankly CRAZY system of building-wide heat control o_O

RE my building's heat: This morning the radiators happened to be on their ON cycle, so it was very comfy naked weather inside. The rest of the time, it's totally comfortable, but not quite so toasty.

You can control the heat in each unit to some extent. The boiler comes on, heating up radiators in all 200 units. The radiators each have knobs on them so that you can control to what degree they heat up. My building's lease has a clause saying that the tenant agrees not to use the knobs b/c the building is old (it's a hotel from the 1930s) and if too many people turn off radiators, the pipes could crack.

It's not just pensioners, btw, it's for people who can just afford rent but might not be able to afford to pay heating bills from month to month. The provision means that rent also entitles you to HEAT; it protects everyone.

This is pretty standard stuff in Chicago, but most in buildings you are allowed to control your radiator.

Though in some (many) buildings, the valves don't work, or turning them down makes them spit steam, or makes them emit piercing, terrifying noises.

NYC's version:

residential owners with tenants are required by law to maintain an indoor temperature of at least 68 degrees Fahrenheit between 6:00 A.M. and 10:00 P.M. when the outdoor temperature falls below 55 degrees. Between 10:00 P.M. and 6:00 A.M., building owners must maintain an indoor temperature of 55 degrees when the outside temperature falls below 40 degrees. Hot water is required to be maintained at 120 degrees.

55 degrees, by the way, is freaking COLD. You won't die, but you might feel like you are.

Wow. 55 IS really cold for an indoor temp.

Cold takes a long time to affect the way *I* feel, as opposed to the way my extremities feel. My hands, feet, skin of my butt and legs can be cold to the touch, but I'm well insulated and the coldness doesn't get to my torso and make me shiver and be miserable.

Heat, otoh, hits me right in the gut right from the beginning and makes me want to trade 3 years of my life to stop sweating.

This is my feeling, too. My body can be pretty damn cold, but it doesn't bother me like it does when it's too warm. And cold air feels good on my skin, but unless I'm just coming in from Arctic temps, I don't like warm air at all.

Also, Laurel OTM re that's just how we are. I hate to say anything that would curb arguing about the weather, since it's a favorite pastime of mine, but that's how it is.

wish it felt good on my skin. my knuckles crack and eventually bleed from a mere 2 minutes or so exposure per day.

The temp regs are for landlord controlled heat, aka radiator buildings. For units w/ individually controlled heat, like a central heating system or our weird ass apartment with one blower furnace in the front half and one in the back (bc I'm pretty sure there was no heat at all when the building was built in 1900, so this is a weird aftermarket solution), the code basically just means that landlords have to provide some form of heating. Mdx's single space heater setup would be in violation of the code even if there were no radiators because every apartment has to be heated in some fashion.

i radiate heat like it's my JOB, but this means that i'm the one wearing the T-shirt inside whilst others freeze to death

BTW cold means snow, and snow meant a three and a half fucking hour commute home from downtown Cleveland to Cleveland Heights last night. (Distance: 8 miles.)

on Carnegie Ave. no less.

Heat has never made me miss a weekend full of parties and merrymaking due to illness like cold is about to do for the 3rd goddamn time this year.

Being cold occasionally does not make you sick. It is so freaking annoying when people insist that it does.

Being hot occasionally doesn't make you sick either, but I don't think anyone claims it does, so

Seconding Laurel here. Cold does not cause a cold. (Though I read a study a medical journal recently that said that *sometimes in some people,* extreme cold *might* increase the risk of infection with certain nasal and chest infections, but it was far from revolutionary in its findings.)

Yeah, in and of itself it doesn't but certain conditions it produces do. When it's cold people are more likely to use the heat which dries out the nasal passages making you much more susceptible to catching viruses.

Although I think there is also some evidence that certain viruses like the flu do actually thrive in colder weather.

OKAY BUT THAT IS AN INDIRECT CHAIN OF EVENTS! You don't get cold from, for instance, not wearing SOCKS around the apartment, sitting next to an exterior wall, or going outside with wet hair for 10 minutes.

You could also say that hot weather makes you sick because mold and mildew can grow in the air conditioning mechanism or vents.

Nope. Not at all and you're right - it's annoying when ppl say that. Jesse's right - you'd have to be in extreme conditions for an extended period of time in order for the cold to lower your body temp enough so that your immunity would be compromised.

Sorry, not yelling at u!

This summer I moved to a place 4 blocks from my gym and since it turned cold, I've discovered a cold-weather treat: Getting sweaty and hot at the gym, then walking home wearing shorts and no hat. It's just far enough that I don't get cold before I get home. Last night it was 18 degrees, windy, and snowing and it felt like a delicious glass of ice water for my skin. And it saves time changing clothes, like I used to, which is nice.

I did that when I took hot as hell yoga that one time. Except it was a mile walk.

50-55 is the normal inside temp for my house during the winter, because my parents never ever turn on the heat (this is for philly/south jersery)

I find that I am 'allergic' to cold - like when the temp gets really cold I get sniffly/start producing mucus, but I'm not actually sick.

Okay that's kind of insane re your parents. How do they stand it?? At a certain point, living with extreme cold is like being under attack by a thing, all the time. That's how I felt in the loft with no heat at all...it wants to get you, and you just have to resist it.

big thick sheets at night, when you wake up the first thing you do is put on long underwear/sweats etc.

there's a space heater in the bathroom so taking showers isn't so bad.

you get used to it

All. Winter. Long. I am a snot factory. About a month ago I started my annual stocking up on Kleenex, and raiding of coffee shops' napkins for my bags and pockets. It's not that I'm sick, but I just get runny.

I'm convinced that Kleenex makes your nose run more tbh. it disintegrates as soon as you touch it. tissues in other countries, they are actually strong and thick and don't...shed microscopic paper particles.

Might have been exacerbated by fact that the loft itself was like living in an ironworks, and about as dirty -- did not contribute to any kind of feelings of safety or homey-ness, so it might not have been temperature alone. But still. I don't mind being "cold" and yet real cold, constantly, is miserable.

Oh, our bathroom didn't have a heater, and it was made of concrete blocks and tile and had a giant exterior window. As long as you stood directly under the scalding water, you'd be okay.

http://scorpionsurvival.com/store/images/guardian/HPT.jpg

^^ best tissue ever. 4-ply! 4-ply! fuck kleenex.

I swear by the tissues with lotion, especially if I have a cold. They are totally effective in preventing chafing and raw, red nose and upper lip.

I prefer it on the cold side, but I would go crazy living in a house that was kept in the 50s. It makes my mental state go down few levels in the hierarchy of needs scale.

Heat, otoh, hits me right in the gut right from the beginning and makes me want to trade 3 years of my life to stop sweating.

a thousand times otm.

haven't read the whole thread, but i'm sensing that if you've grown up in the upper midwest, this is a common sentiment. i love summer and all it entails, but at some point it gets so hot+muggy that the only non-submerged-in-water option is nudity, or something close to it. and even then you can just be Too Hot. too cold? put on another sweater!

plus being outside in the winter is the best, mostly because no one else wants anything to do with it. its the best and maybe only way to be guaranteed some solitude when you're in the city

on Carnegie Ave. no less.

Oh, that would've been too easy. Because of where I was parked and the fact that I needed gas, it was Lakeside > 18th > St. Clair > 27th (fill car at BP station) > Payne > 55th > Hough > East Blvd. etc.

Among other things, being from somewhere with cold winters definitely acclimates you to being cold indoors. I definitely don't feel entitled to dress lightly, sit in one place while my blood pools in my ass, drink cold beverages, and still feel warm. I expect to wear a few layers, get up and move around, drink hot bevs & carry the warm mug around with me while I do stuff, and eat frequently. And sleep UNDER the covers at night instead of tossing them off and then waking up whimpering. It's just a way of life.

gbx otm

I'm generally happier in extreme heat because it's sunny out and it can still be nice in the evening or early morning. but i find it easier to deal with extreme cold: just stay inside, crank up the heat, wear a bunch of layers and put extra blankets on the bed. also caters to my inherent laziness.

I'd take extreme heat any day. I despise cold weather.

Hard to stay inside all the time when I have to commute to and from work 5 days a week.

hate the winter so much

This winter has been very mild, but the other day while I was waiting for a bus while it was around 20F and windy, I was thinking how that weather was so much better than the atrocities of summer b/c once I got on the warm bus, I would be comfortable in no more than 30 seconds. If it were over 80, the bus would have A/C, but I wouldn't feel OK for the rest of the 30 minute ride. And then I would have to walk two blocks to my office and get overheated again.

It only takes a few moments in a warm room to stop shivering, but the stickiness and overheating take forever to overcome.

Give me winter. I love gardening and yard work and don't mind being hot and sweaty for the most part, but I do hate being blinded by sweat in my eyes. I have to do yardwork either blind from not wearing my glasses or blind from splashing sweat on the inside of my glasses every time I blink.

Working outdoors all day, I'm not sure which I prefer. Last summer was unbearably hot and we had a few guys go down with heat strokes, but I enjoyed the heat. This winter will be my first winter working north and in the snow and ice and I think I'll want to come back to Texas. I hoping I'll like the snow since I've never worked in it much, but I'm nervous.

It's 22° F outside and I just happily repotted a plant on my back deck wearing a shirt and sweater, pajama pants, and slippers w/ no socks. I didn't even realize until I came back in and my glasses steamed up that it was probably too cold to be out there gardening without a coat.

It's not too cold if you didn't feel too cold.

As far as working outdoors, I might possibly say that hot>cold. Though heat stroke is no joke, and physical labor warms you up, I can deal with working or exercising in the heat. With heat, there comes a zen-like point where you just surrender and misery becomes normal.

The worst thing is when you're doing physical work in extreme cold and your covered parts are hot and miserable and your less-covered parts are aching from the cold.

I'm pretty sure it's not 22° F outside in Chicago right now. I'm showing 39°.

All major weather services are showing 22 to 23.

my real answer is whatever the opposite of what im feeling.

but, being from Texas i have a high heat threshold, and i'd honestly miss swimming in cool water on 95+ type days. and anything below 85 is balmy to me.

i dont mind the cold but i do wish it wouldnt get dark so early

i mean im a big baby and just the sunny shores of the cote d'azur and perfect weather all the time but if i had to choose cold is better than heat

All major weather services are showing 22 to 23.

Oh, that's b/c my stupid Accuweather extension was set for NYC. I *thought* it felt colder than 39 out there.

i dont mind the cold but i do wish it wouldnt get dark so early

OTM

i dont mind the cold but i do wish it wouldnt get dark so early

― Deist (Hungry4Aslan) (Lamp), Monday, January 2, 2012 5:23 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is pretty much it

32 degrees in Miami tomorrow! Put booties on your pets! Use your children as firewood!

Chicago basically hasn't even had a winter this year. It sucks.

i'm saying i want hot now but it's constantly 100º and humid here all of july and august so i don't really mean it. tomorrow will be the coldest day we've had yet at 35º so i should not complain.

I hate weather below sixty fucking degrees & don't care if I never seen snow again, bring back July and August, the imperial months imo

I like midwinter dark, too.

Up/down here on the 29N meridian (and I will never not be tickled by that), we are having to deal with 20 degree temperatures and 15 MPH winds.

what is the joke?

11 F in NYC, put me in the damn hospital awready

heat, always heat.

-7 in downtown Cleveland yesterday. Grow a pair!

but you lakefront dingalings are accustomed.

it's true, is this supposed to be cold? (i'm in ny)

it's so nice

surm, you know i love you, but sheeeesh.

i just want to reach out and hug the world

if you have a heater strapped to your chest I'll be right over.

I left the house w/ slightly wet hair and it turned into icicles

the water that condensed on the aluminum frame of my room's window was frozen this morning

I'm about ready to change my stance on this issue. THIS IS HORRIBLE. Also, I think I need a hat or something.

soup day!

surmotm

a hat is a good idea too

it was really cool of me to leave my scarf in another state

'cool'... get it??

i am told that montreal has a -39 wind chill right now, so everyone else needs to . . . chill

yeah but they have built an entire city underground

It is good weather for soup, that's true.

I actually like cold weather but this is just inhumane!

How the fuck am I supposed to smoke a cigarette; this weather is unauthorized.

bloomberg authorized it

you stand under one of those rooftop extension things and have people stare at you incredulously as they walk by

I mean at home on my stoop with a glass of wine. :(

Like a real person.

11 F in NYC, put me in the damn hospital awready

― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:50 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol -11 f in montreal right now

breathing is like drinking water when it's super cold <3

feel like "extreme humidity" should be third option since it produces a very distinct form of discomfort.

I don't care about Mtl, Twin Cities etc. this is NEW YORK

also I was hoping for a snowday on Friday for some relief but it appears that has evaporated.

even if it snowed it wasn't gonna be a noworkblizzardday

it would just be a day that sucked even more

0F this morning (-9º wind chill). A+++

currently warmer in iqaluit than in montreal

its mid 70s and slightly overcast in la

fuck you

I went outside. Big mistake.

I went outside w/ a sweatshirt because it was overcast and came back slightly sweaty

iirc you have to physically be in LA to experience its weather so

windchill in montreal right now is -31F, so...

Can you live in the underground city?

here it's nice and worm

the underground city is a shopping mall

exactly, it has everything you need to survive

at -10F without the wind chill. which sounds a lot nicer than -23C. but i still don't really understand Fahrenheit.
xp

lol and it is downtown and i avoid it

:(

I am sorry Canadians. I will stop complaining now.

tbh this weather is only truly excruciating on exposed skin, if i had the means to cover myself head to toe and wear like, ski goggles, i could go for a p long stroll

it connects malls and office buildings and metro stations, not my house to my friends houses or a grocery store, sadly
xp

complain away! i think complaining produces heat.

you guys need to appreciate your underground city more

yeah i was thinking i'd be fine for at least an hour or more out there if i was walking and had ski goggles on.
i snowshoed once in the laurentians on a day almost as cold as this and was thankful so much of it was uphill. every time we stopped moving, our feet and faces got cold immediately.

RIP canada, you had nice maple syrups and were generally more civilized than america

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/430045_4769557749208_1214021467_n.jpg

^^ bike courier friend posted this today

I never got why they decided to build cities in places like montreal

or really most parts of north america not located in california

we have a multimedia show to answer all yr questions
http://pacmusee.qc.ca/en/exhibitions/multimedia-show

fur trappers, iatee

yeah the my first few times in NY before moving here were in the spring and early fall. thought the weather was awesome :-/

i still don't really understand Fahrenheit

all you need to know is that negative numbers will terrify us even more than they do you (until you get to -40, anyway)

fur trapping can't have been worth braving these winters pre-modern technology, they shoulda just left

also how did people end up in norway, why would you just keep going north

better fur trapping in acadia than sweltering in louisiana imo

the larger norwegian cities mostly have milder winters than almost all of new england

pretty sure ppl who tolerated hostile indigenous people and hostile wildlife could cope with a bit of cold

also had plentiful furs to keep them warm

Just turn all your furs inside out, never apply water to the outside of your body between November and May, and stop trying to lose any weight whatsoever and just stuff that seal fat right into your mouth, like that.

they were fleeing the destruction of babel

60 degrees warmer here than were I moved from in December, sadistically enjoying the complaints of people i know back there

omg I forgot how angry this thread made me

Sittin here after work, reading this rather than brave the cold outside

i am definitely having some fantasies about last-minute cheap trips to tropical places

I just waited for the fucking bus for twenty five fucking minutes in the shit. I can't feel my feet.

This is exactly why I moved from Massachusetts to Texas

Snow in DC! Guess who has the honor of shoveling it?

Get those 66 winter-voters to do it for you!

The goddamn bus better come on time today. I'm in no mood to stand outside in -1°F Real Feel temperature weather again tonight. :(

would shovel snow

dog shit looks kinda weird when it's frozen, like cheap chocolate ice cream that's melted and refrozen

i'm down with cold, but i could do without the wind gusting to 34mph

^a form of backtracking

otm

i like cold so long as it is a measured, complaisant cold = u dont like cold

temperature is addressed in the thread title; wind velocity is not

it is true that my love is not unqualified, yet anything is better than extreme summer heat

temperature + wind = more cold!

I cannot stand this wind chill shit. I don't know what -5 feels like bcz WHEN IT'S -5, THE WIND CHILL IS -17.

Bought a liter of mineral water and left it on the balcony to chill. 45 minutes later it was a slushie.

Still rather have this nonsense than 100º.

fuck yes. Honestly 5-10 degrees doesn't even feel that bad to me. I don't want to go throw a ball around or anything, but walking down the street it's nbd as long as you're covered up.

you're horrible human beings and traitors to humanity but at least you're consistent, kudos

^^^u mad doggie

Speaking only for myself, today I was miserable when I had to walk a few blocks in sub-zero temps w/ strong winds, but once I got indoors, I was warm and comfy within 60 seconds. And I could have mitigated the misery by bundling up better (sneakers were a bad idea).

OTOH, in July when temps get above 80 I'm also miserable, but it takes about an hour to stop feeling flushed, prickly, and clammy. And that's if I can find sufficiently cold A/C, which is rarer than adequate heat.

I'm sure I've posted this before when crying over heat waves, but I feel the same as the big cold tests my feelings.

I never got why they decided to build cities in places like montreal

― iatee, Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:38 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or really most parts of north america not located in california

― iatee, Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:38 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is actually a pretty recent innovation

fur trading,

vikings

Still rather have this nonsense than 100º.

― Je55e, Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:15 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My mind is changing....

extreme summer every time

extreme cold = invigorating
extreme heat = enervating

OTOH, in July when temps get above 80 I'm also miserable

feel like this is in large part due to 1) humidity. I'm more uncomfortable during an 85 degree summer day in Chicago than 100 in Arizona, though it helps that I like the sun, do find it invigorating. And 2) physiology of those who live in places with very cold winters adapting to cope with the cold and so 50 feels decent, 70 is warm, 80 is hot, 90 is death. Opposite happens too, as evidenced the other day by ladies in Phoenix, already wearing light jackets, complaining that the heaters weren't turned on on the patio cause it was brr 70F.

-20 windchill and it's still 5000% better than the swamp hell of summer

When I get overheated in the summer, a cool shower will get my body back to normal pretty quickly. If a chill sets into my bones, though, it takes me forever to warm back up. Fuck the cold. (Fuck the heat too, but it's at least manageable.)

This winter and the latter part of last winter I have felt the need to hide from the cold like never before. Of course it's been much colder these winters. It's like the cold is a storm or a natural disaster.

But compared to Johnny Fever here

When I get overheated in the summer, a cool shower will get my body back to normal pretty quickly. If a chill sets into my bones, though, it takes me forever to warm back up.

98-degree steaming urinetown in NYC is better than this shit. For one thing, the trains run.

I feel like urban environments make both extremes way worse than they would otherwise be. summer in nyc is mainly brutal because it's ungodly humid (and I say that as someone who grew up in Houston) and the heat reflects off of the pavement.

that said = I'll take extreme heat every time. especially if there's a pool around.

Chicago has the worst winters and worst summers of any major American city (except maybe Minneapolis? but it's not really "major" is it?). I thought maybe NYC would beat us on humidity but apparently not

http://outflux.net/weather/noaa/index.php?cities%5B%5D=CHICAGO,IL&cities%5B%5D=NEW_YORK_(JFK_AP),NY&cities%5B%5D=NEW_YORK_(LAGUARDIA_AP),NY&cities%5B%5D=NEW_YORK_CPARK,NY&what=6

http://outflux.net/weather/noaa/index.php?cities%5B%5D=CHICAGO,IL&cities%5B%5D=NEW_YORK_(JFK_AP),NY&cities%5B%5D=NEW_YORK_(LAGUARDIA_AP),NY&cities%5B%5D=NEW_YORK_CPARK,NY&what=7

Wait, sorry - I was trying to take a dig at Minneapolis without any good reason at all. Just looking for an argument today.

are you seriously trying to tell me that chicago has worse summers than DC?

lol or any city in the southeast US

Houston has the worst summers of any major American city.

I didn't communicate very clearly at all what I wanted to say. I meant that we have (maybe) the worst weather overall - both summer and winter are extra harsh here.

Houston has far worse summers but far milder winters.

DC/Chicago charts are actually pretty close. DC winters are milder, but not by as much as I expected.

(graphs, not charts)

In spite of how cold it's been, I'm still picking cold over heat.

― Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 10:12 PM (4 years ago)

^^^ still going with this. It's been a miserable cold winter and it looks like the next few weeks are going to be continuous rain, but I'll take this over just about any summer.

I lived in Galveston for three years and could. not. believe. when people came down from Houston to "cool off." Like, place is barely habitable for most of the year. Thankfully in-laws are ditching Houston soon so I will not have to go back EVER at ANY TIME. Coopers BBQ can and has been shipped to home in a better climate, so no loss whatsoever.

Not that Coopers is in Houston but y'know. Whole fucking state is a flaming hellhole for too much of the year.

Caek will disagree but somehow britishes (and GERMANS, my god the GERMANS) seem to love horrible heat with a passion.

I mean caek seems to like it. But west texas is not godforsaken houston.

once you get out of the "big thicket" of east Texas I think the summers are quite manageable*

*= you must have access to a pool and modern central air conditioning.

plus the evenings in central Texas cool down quite a bit and there's often a breeze. even August evenings in Austin, say, can be quite lovely if you have a cool drink and it's not too humid. anyway I suppose it's a lifestyle thing: being a bit sticky and hot while still outside >>> being cooped up inside with a comfy fire. I just prioritize being able to be *outside*, which isn't really as easy for me to do in winter. maybe I need to pick up some outdoor winter hobbies.

Throughout a geologic time scale life seems to have coped with extreme intraglacial cooling periods better than it did that Permian greenhouse climate that nearly sterilised the planet. Wearing layers and stoking up the burner is more my thing than coping with extreme heat, although I have not experienced anything close to extremity of this polar vortex phenomenon which seems fucking crazy.

pretty sure Putin organized it to punish 'merica

I didn't communicate very clearly at all what I wanted to say. I meant that we have (maybe) the worst weather overall - both summer and winter are extra harsh here.

I knew what you meant...there's like 2 weeks in spring and 2 in fall when it's awesome weather. The downside is that every yarbo within 200 mile radius shows up at the handful of prime spots to enjoy it. There really needs to be some mountains nearby Chicago, I don't know what the holdup is on that.

You have a narrow definition of awesome weather.

extreme heat for the most part does not cause cities to shit down or flights to be cancelled. so even though it goes against everything i believe, i am voting extreme heat

https://moviewriternyu.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/snow-miser.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps2WwRjvQkY

exteme winter = more chances of car accidents because of ice and snow. i'm voting heat.

You have a narrow definition of awesome weather

was exaggerating for effect but keep track of every perfect weather day in Chi now thru end of year and lemme know how many more than 28 there are. genuinely would be curious to know.

perfect weather day = day i don't need a/c

http://i1.ytimg.com/sh/YlLGF_o08No/showposter.jpg?v=52cc791f

The last couple of weeks in Toronto have been brutal--most days in the neighbourhood of -20C. As I see I wrote four years ago, give me extreme heat any day. (The big story here is a three-your kid who somehow wandered out of his building at 4:00 in the morning yesterday and was found dead six hours later.)

"three-year-old kid"

i'd suggest that that's better than suffocating in a hot car, but i think we're getting away from the original premise

I'm sure they're both gruesome--indulge me as I get off the original premise for another minute or two--but the thought of freezing to death terrifies me far more. Something that speaks to abandonment or hopelessness or something.

Something that speaks to abandonment or hopelessness or something.

The Little Match Girl

To Build a Fire

i'd also suggest that ontarians lack a sufficient appreciation of extreme summer heat, but . . . soon, alas

I'm looking at temperature records, and compared to some states, sure. But we seem quite comparable to most of the Northeast.