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ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT vs. THE SIMPSONS What's on TV, ILX? It's the American Sitcom Tournament FINAL MATCH

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Arrested Development vs. The Simpsons

Poll Results

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The Simpsons 73
Arrested Development 51


― Johnny Fever, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

dear usa, you've done some funny shit but not much of it is as funny as Arrested Development

― acoleuthic, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:22 (sixteen years ago)

all-time great show vs smarmy turd

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:23 (sixteen years ago)

And the only shit funnier was the Simpsons

― Mel Gibson, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty & the current King of Sweden (President Keyes), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:24 (sixteen years ago)

also Supertrain

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:25 (sixteen years ago)

morbius one day you will realize what a terrible mistake you have made dismissing AD out of hand for so long

and on that day

i will be there

shaking my head

― real s1ock (s1ocki), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:25 (sixteen years ago)

now... if i had to vote based on like, percentages, it would be AD easy, as at this point it must be like 80% of the simpsons has been total shit, right? what season are we on? 35?

but at its peak, nothing could touch it... it was really, really tremendous... nothing was ever that good

― real s1ock (s1ocki), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:26 (sixteen years ago)

with s1ocki on this one.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:30 (sixteen years ago)

it must be like 80% of the simpsons has been total shit, right?

No. Even the shit Simpsons was never total shit. Opie never narrated.

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:32 (sixteen years ago)

I'm still upset The Golden Girls lost out in the 2nd round.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:33 (sixteen years ago)

i can remember liking the simpsons, but it was a very long time ago

was family guy even in this poll?

― i am legernd (history mayne), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:33 (sixteen years ago)

Simpsons crushed Family Guy to dust in the 2nd round.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:34 (sixteen years ago)

No. Even the shit Simpsons was never total shit. Opie never narrated.

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, September 6, 2010 7:32 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

their loss then!

― real s1ock (s1ocki), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:37 (sixteen years ago)

i mean, he did appear as himself a few times on the simpsons so...

― real s1ock (s1ocki), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:37 (sixteen years ago)

The Simpsons

Easiest round in the whole thing.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:10 (sixteen years ago)

what? is this a joke? this is like comparing some old expensive french wine to coca-cola.

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

poll

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:29 (sixteen years ago)

tbh, I'd go Coca-Cola in that poll.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:30 (sixteen years ago)

^^

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:33 (sixteen years ago)

Isn't the aughts wave of network comedies (of which AD is apart of) influenced by The Simpsons to some extent?

― avant-sarsgaard (litel), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:36 (sixteen years ago)

man i love arrested development as much as anyone but...come on

― max skim (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:41 (sixteen years ago)

you love it as much as all the people that will vote for it ahead of the simpsons then?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:43 (sixteen years ago)

voting ad is kind of like thinking ralph considers himself a literal viking in that i can see where you're coming from but you're still the worst

― A B C, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:51 (sixteen years ago)

No. Even the shit Simpsons was never total shit. Opie never narrated.

"Oh that's it. You're going down!"

http://www.fancast.com/blogs/files/2009/05/simpsons-11-ron-howard.jpg

― Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:54 (sixteen years ago)

let's be real- every time someone mentions the 'viking' debacle, simpsons loses ten votes.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:55 (sixteen years ago)

Simpsons is probably the only thing that would make me hesitate before voting AD. I'm gonna have to think on this.

― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 01:08 (sixteen years ago)

As much as I love AD, I don't remember much in the way of pathos, whilst The Simpsons has some of the most devastating found in televised comedy.

No episode of AD has affected me as much as the episode where Homer eats the poisonous fish and thinks he is going to die.

On the other hand, AD never had a tortuously bad early 90s retcon flashback episode.

― avant-sarsgaard (litel), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 01:16 (sixteen years ago)

Simpsons will boringly but deservingly win this. Yes, there have been many, many bad Simpsons seasons, but that still leaves it with a longer and higher peak than Arrested Development.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 01:21 (sixteen years ago)

These are without a doubt the 2 best sitcoms ever, and actually constitute a hard choice. There have been times where I've preferred things to the Simpsons, particularly AD (I've often thought that, because of its untimely demise, it was a quintessentially perfect series: 53 episodes and not a dull moment), but the Simpsons* is always what it all comes back to, for me. More than anything else it has been definitve of sitcom quality.

*This is just the Simpsons seasons 1-10 or so mind you.

― EDB, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 01:24 (sixteen years ago)

The Simpsons

― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:00 (sixteen years ago)

Going to pretend there isn't even another show to be discussed here.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:00 (sixteen years ago)

kinda weird for a poll, what are you going to talk about then

― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:10 (sixteen years ago)

The Simpsons.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:12 (sixteen years ago)

prediction:

AD: 11 votes
Simpsons: 97 votes

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:16 (sixteen years ago)

US Office beating South Park wtf

Would prefer How I Met Your Mother to AD

― Lil Wayans Bros (S-), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:22 (sixteen years ago)

Simpsons ftw

― Donovan Dagnabbit (WmC), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:34 (sixteen years ago)

Family Matters lost to Family Guy? How is that possible?

Maybe I'm just too nostalgic about Urkel, though.

― avant-sarsgaard (litel), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:35 (sixteen years ago)

Yes you are

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:39 (sixteen years ago)

goodbye seinfeld, i'm glad you are dead.

voted ad because it quit before it got shit.

― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:44 (sixteen years ago)

AD is nice but it's sort of hermetically sealed, innit? group of quirky dudes bounce around in a Skinner box.

if we really are voting on the best American sitcom then I don't even see how AD enters the discussion. there has never been a show as incisive and revealing of American culture (as well as being an influence on) as The Simpsons.

― grandma: smells and textures :: 180 (dayo), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 02:49 (sixteen years ago)

If we were going by percentage hit-rate: Arrested Development, but it's got to be The Simpsons really hasn't it?

― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:04 (sixteen years ago)

this is really only a tough decision before you think about it

― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:07 (sixteen years ago)

love how morbz is saying all the shit I said when I'd seen one-and-a-half episodes of AD (the gratuitous narration drove me crazy), criticisms that went out the window entirely once I'd finished the first disc. I'll still avoid something I don't WANT to get into (like, say, Mad Men), but after my AD experience I won't announce some "pshaw!" final verdict of a show unless I've made it through at least one disc - TV shows are designed for regular viewing, its values are rarely immediately clear.

It's really three great seasons and THAT'S ALL FOLKS vs. eight plus great seasons and STILL GOOOINGG FOR TWELVE MORE WHAT THE FUUUUCK???

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:11 (sixteen years ago)

The Simpsons is funnier when Homer's a douche but fuck all y'all for voting down Larry Sanders tbh

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:14 (sixteen years ago)

The Simpsons is funnier when Homer's a douche

this is way too reductionist for me

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:17 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah it is but I get so bored/wound up by the "Simpsons needs heart" crowd

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:18 (sixteen years ago)

and the over-rating of the mid-period show that it implies

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:18 (sixteen years ago)

fair nuff, but dropping Homer's good intentions and making him a pure jerk in later episodes is part of why I eventually gave up on the show. By season 9-10 or whatever I'd rather watch early Family Guy because if I was going to see a bunch of random-riffing from assholes I'd rather not have an emotional investment in the characters. what the simpsons needed was to STOP AT A LOGICAL POINT.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:21 (sixteen years ago)

Usually I hold with the sitcoms needing to stop thing but I feel like Simpsons is invested enough in comic book nerdery that it makes sense for it to go on relentlessly, mostly missing but still usually hitting a couple of lols out of the park every ep.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:23 (sixteen years ago)

Like it's more Bazooka Joe than Fawlty Towers

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:23 (sixteen years ago)

i don't understand why an "investment in comic book nerdery" would be a reason to go on forever. Large piles of advertiser-drawn cash and merchandising, now that I get.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:25 (sixteen years ago)

been trying to get my girlfriend to watch AD, she's seen two episodes and hates it, to the point of not wanting to see more.

this is a real hard decision. would argue AD better repays repeated viewing, but only by a smidgeon.

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:26 (sixteen years ago)

xpost

cos like a comic book it just sits there listlessly reinventing itself a tiny bit forever, rather than being a set of rounded characters who we want to see develop. The family's always been more archetype than real peoples I think.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:27 (sixteen years ago)

fuck all y'all for voting down Larry Sanders tbh

also this

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:27 (sixteen years ago)

What's bugging her? If it's the show's shrillness or WHY IS OPIE TELLING ME WHAT I CAN SEE FOR MYSELF then I think she'll get over it

xpost yeah that's jive, I still vote they stuck around for $$$. It may be the funniest thing on Sundays at 8 still, but I don't have to watch TV on Sundays at 8.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:28 (sixteen years ago)

Well yeah it's all about the money but hey ho TV

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:29 (sixteen years ago)

Comics books can get away with total overhauls, if Dan Castanella dies the show is FINISHED.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:30 (sixteen years ago)

It's really three great seasons and THAT'S ALL FOLKS vs. eight plus great seasons and STILL GOOOINGG FOR TWELVE MORE WHAT THE FUUUUCK???

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 7, 2010 8:11 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

9, come on, dude

― office (max) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:30 (sixteen years ago)

can't believe the handwringing over the simpsons happens now as opposed to when south park went out

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:30 (sixteen years ago)

i think she thinks its kind of heartless and that all the characters are nasty. tbh this stopped us both from getting into mad men at first, but we're pretty much stans of that show now.

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:30 (sixteen years ago)

agreed that Family Guy has done the "random asshats saying pointless funny stuff" thing better for years tho. But I like Brian and Stewie better than any of the Simpsons now I think.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:31 (sixteen years ago)

haha i love that i have no idea whether you think i'm repping for too many seasons or too few, whiney.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:31 (sixteen years ago)

its possible the show has some real peaks in season 13 but being in college plus getting a job that had me working sunday nights meant I got out of the loop and my gradual disinterest in the show won over. That said, when I rewatched all those sunday shows while working at a video store years later I wound up going a lot deeper into King Of The Hill than when I stopped taping it, while the death of Maude Flanders remained my personal shark jump on the simps.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:33 (sixteen years ago)

i think she thinks its kind of heartless and that all the characters are nasty.

much like NV's comment on the Simpsons needing to have heart, this is just not something that would ever occur to me as a criticism of a show that is written and performed as well as AD

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:35 (sixteen years ago)

a bit after I stopped watching it regularly me and my sister saw that Homer gets medical marijuana episode when someone had taped it at the end of a movie. We didn't even finish the episode (laughed at the "I could blow smoke in the prez's face and all he could do is GROOVE on it" but WHY IS THERE PSYCHEDELIC SEQUENCES WHEN HE'S ONLY SMOKING POT???!), which was a real sad experience to have with a show I used to worship.

xpost I'd get that criticism after two episodes, see if you can just get her to finish Season One, Disc One. If she still hates it, no reason to go further.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:37 (sixteen years ago)

the death of Maude Flanders remained my personal shark jump on the simps.

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

can we get a SPOILERS ALERT for the love of god?

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:38 (sixteen years ago)

WHY IS THERE PSYCHEDELIC SEQUENCES WHEN HE'S ONLY SMOKING POT???!

Thinking like this is a bad idea, man

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:38 (sixteen years ago)

lol what they haven't retconned that yet

xpost if its a bad idea to think, it's a good idea to move on

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:38 (sixteen years ago)

Jesus, what a shit pairing

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:39 (sixteen years ago)

As far as shows about heartless, irredeemable people go,

Strangers With Candy > It's Always Sunny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arrested Development

― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:39 (sixteen years ago)

this poll was lame imo, needlessly complex and missed loads of quality shows

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:39 (sixteen years ago)

Heartless irredeemable people = Larry Sanders yet again.

Also Seinfeld, but then me and Darragh have to have a fist-fight.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:41 (sixteen years ago)

no brainer

― lmgtfofy.com (cozen), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:42 (sixteen years ago)

how the fuck 30 rock beat larry sanders

― lmgtfofy.com (cozen), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:43 (sixteen years ago)

30 rock vs larry sanders- str8 up, i don't think enough people have seen larry sanders. they're both contenders for #1 imo

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:45 (sixteen years ago)

wouldn't fight anyone over seinfeld. cept for underrated aerosmith that one time

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:46 (sixteen years ago)

Love 30 Rock too and it is a tough call but 30 Rock does not feature the douchebag stylings of Jeffrey Tambor.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:48 (sixteen years ago)

got a guy in a funny hat tho eh

― lmgtfofy.com (cozen), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:50 (sixteen years ago)

xpost I'd get that criticism after two episodes, see if you can just get her to finish Season One, Disc One. If she still hates it, no reason to go further.

cannot convince her to watch, am now reduced to quoting tobias all about the house instead, hoping some 'drip drip' approach might deliver

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:50 (sixteen years ago)

30 rock vs larry sanders- str8 up, i don't think enough people have seen larry sanders.

UKcentric view but I've never seen "30 Rock", don't know what channel it's on, Larry Sanders was on BBC2

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:02 (sixteen years ago)

it was on five... not sure if it's on anything now. other than the internet.

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:04 (sixteen years ago)

man we really left youse guys behind during the celtic tiger. i feel so insensitive.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:04 (sixteen years ago)

(it's a staple of E4 iirc)

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:05 (sixteen years ago)

It's on Paramount Comedy or whatever it's called on Sky.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:05 (sixteen years ago)

man we really left youse guys behind during the celtic tiger

Aye, that'll be the day

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:05 (sixteen years ago)

It's not physically possible to watch E4 unless you're so ripped to the tits that you don't know what you're watching anyway.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:06 (sixteen years ago)

they show friends and himym

i probably watch e4 and bbc3 more than anything else

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:06 (sixteen years ago)

but yeah tv lives on my hard drive these days. god knows how i ever manage to buy the stuff i need without commercials to guide me.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:07 (sixteen years ago)

"Arrested Development" was on BBC2 for about a month but I suppose it got pulled because they thought it was shit, was it on anywhere else?

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:07 (sixteen years ago)

bbc4 for a few years?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:09 (sixteen years ago)

it was on bbc2 longer than that... but at about midnight on a sunday or s.thing

this was pre-iplayer, maybe even pre-rapidshare era

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:09 (sixteen years ago)

Still on? I missed totally that. (xp)

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:10 (sixteen years ago)

they show friends and himym

i probably watch e4 and bbc3 more than anything else

OK but I am a pseud-y snob twat tbf

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:10 (sixteen years ago)

preudy

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:11 (sixteen years ago)

idk, at some point in the last few years i just stopped watching tv, and i try not to be 'that guy' about it, but in the end that's how you come off

i f/w himym and family guy tho

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:12 (sixteen years ago)

I don't want to be "that other guy" but what the fuck is himym?

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:14 (sixteen years ago)

how i met your mother

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:14 (sixteen years ago)

which wasn't polled coz this is a feeble poll

― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:15 (sixteen years ago)

I dig Family Guy and what I've seen of HIMYM was fair enough, but yeah I am also painfully that guy-ish without being judgemental about it. Also Mrs V watches a fuck-ton of reality shows so I just keep out of the way mostly.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:15 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, worked it out, I know absolutely nothing about that show! (xp)

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:15 (sixteen years ago)

live football-- all i need from tv

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:16 (sixteen years ago)

HIMYM stands up to sam's constant repping. good show.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:16 (sixteen years ago)

"Robot Wars Extreme" repeats and "The World's Strongest Man" are all I need

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:16 (sixteen years ago)

University Challenge is about the only thing I actively make time to watch, but I see plenty of Family Guy and movies and sport are the only other things really.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:18 (sixteen years ago)

i keep forgetting about university challenge.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:18 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, UChallenge rules

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:19 (sixteen years ago)

new poll imo

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:19 (sixteen years ago)

??

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:19 (sixteen years ago)

can we get a SPOILERS ALERT for the love of god?

Not wanting to be an asshat or anything, but I think this happened over ten years ago! I don't think that needs a spoiler warning.

― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:21 (sixteen years ago)

have we ever done an oldstyle ILX television poll full history poll?

― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:21 (sixteen years ago)

no sure what that means

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

i know we did a 00s tv poll recently, but have we ever done something full history of television poll thing

― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

Too much stuff, too many countries

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

only dr morbius could really take part

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:23 (sixteen years ago)

surely not more stuff + countries than any given end of year ILM poll

― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:23 (sixteen years ago)

I'd never heard of about half of the sitcoms in this poll, let alone seen them, so I don't think any "full history of television poll" would work

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:24 (sixteen years ago)

ilx must be limited by tom d's parochiality

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:24 (sixteen years ago)

I don't think I was exactly alone there

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:25 (sixteen years ago)

:)

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

which wasn't polled coz this is a feeble poll its a feeble show

i know, i know...

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

No Chico and the Man, no credibilty

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:28 (sixteen years ago)

I have seen that one

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:29 (sixteen years ago)

BBC, seventies, yes?

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:29 (sixteen years ago)

If people are still complaining about the lack of HIMYM, I'm going to start complaining about the lack of "Hello, Larry"

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:31 (sixteen years ago)

BBC, seventies, yes?

Indeed

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:32 (sixteen years ago)

I'm voting for Arrested Development, mostly because I think I'm in my "bored with the Beatles" phase with the Simpsons

― peter in montreal, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:37 (sixteen years ago)

the first season or two of the simpsons kinda sucked yall... wasn't it until like season 4 or whenever that it really got good?

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:38 (sixteen years ago)

^ that opinion must have made you really unpopular in elementary school

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:46 (sixteen years ago)

o that was just the tip of the iceberg

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:48 (sixteen years ago)

season one def isn't up to the later stuff, but by season two you've already got Dancin' Homer, the first Treehouse of Horror, the Dustin Hoffman substitute teacher episode, "Three Men and a Comic Book," classic shit

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:49 (sixteen years ago)

it's really like hating on Please Please Please just cuz it aint Revolver

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:50 (sixteen years ago)

lol Please Please Me, rather

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:50 (sixteen years ago)

i just hate the early-simpsons look and early-homer-voice

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:51 (sixteen years ago)

Simpsons is pretty pish until Castellaneta gets Homer's voice right.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:52 (sixteen years ago)

love when they show the tracy ullman bit on that recap special and Troy McClure is like WTF

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:53 (sixteen years ago)

haha i dont remember that

i do remember watching it on the ulls tho!

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:53 (sixteen years ago)

yeah it's from the "138th episode spectacular"

All 1:48 of MG01 ("Good Night") airs. When the camera returns to Troy,
he has a look of disbelieving incredulity on his face. He laughs
suddenly and observes, "They haven't changed a bit, have they?"

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:57 (sixteen years ago)

yeah that bit's great. They also brazenly admit that the show'll keep going until it's "no longer profitable" on that ep iirc

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:58 (sixteen years ago)

Troy: Yes, the Simpsons have come a long way since an old drunk made
humans out of his rabbit characters to pay off his gambling debts.
Who knows what adventures they'll have between now and the time
the show becomes unprofitable?

― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:59 (sixteen years ago)

brazenly

― office (max) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:02 (sixteen years ago)

the first season or two of the simpsons kinda sucked yall...

nutz. After all it got Papa Bush to seal his reelection doom by braying "America should be like the Waltons not the Simpsons!"

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:27 (sixteen years ago)

i liked arrested development a lot but seriously guys. it's the fucking simpsons.

― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:06 (sixteen years ago)

Arrested Development, as a whole, is one of television's best cult shows.

The Simpsons, as a whole, is one of television's best shows. No qualifiers.

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:10 (sixteen years ago)

"one of" is still a qualifier it doesn't need imo

― mecca lecca high, mecca whiney bro (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:23 (sixteen years ago)

hell, why din't you TELL us afore we done this here poll boy!

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:24 (sixteen years ago)

SHUCKS

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:24 (sixteen years ago)

WE ALL FEEL DUMBER THAN A BOX A GRITS

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:24 (sixteen years ago)

...

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

:)

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

umm

― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:27 (sixteen years ago)

?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:27 (sixteen years ago)

itt a dude from Europe walks into a US race relations landmine

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:28 (sixteen years ago)

oh wtf i say now? that was just meant to be a corn-chewing hick to whiney's hipster know it all.

eh i'm getting benefit of doubt on this one, right?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:30 (sixteen years ago)

"boy" has bad racist connotations rather than just general Southerner US speak I think dude

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:31 (sixteen years ago)

gaw blimey guvnor

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:31 (sixteen years ago)

I get that you were making an allusion and not being deliberately offensive but putting on a Southern accent and using "boy" in a manner that could be construed as referring to the dude known as "The Black Guy Who Is Super Touchy About Race" is so many shades of not-smart that I kind of don't know where to begin

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:31 (sixteen years ago)

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/167852-1/Sneaky_cat.gif

― mecca lecca high, mecca whiney bro (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:32 (sixteen years ago)

shd point out that most of us Europeans think that everybody south of Mason-Dixon talks like that fat sheriff out the James Bond movies tho

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:32 (sixteen years ago)

i don't like to make generalizations, but all irish people are violently racist so this was just a matter of time

― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:32 (sixteen years ago)

My mother-in-law is more of a gentle racist tbf

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:33 (sixteen years ago)

seriously?

i'm not in a position to dispute so wtf @ me, 'boy' just goes on teh end of country talk round my way. pologies etc.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:33 (sixteen years ago)

THE SIMPSONS VS THE BEATLES VS PIZZA

― acoleuthic, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:33 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, it's totally random culture clash

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:33 (sixteen years ago)

irish people only violently racist against english tbf

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:33 (sixteen years ago)

man I have heard the expression "smoked irishman" and it is not pretty

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:34 (sixteen years ago)

eh, i was aware of the 'boy' connotation, but i just assumed it was a lot more specific (and kind of old-fashioned/defunct?) than that.

also- NV OTM about mason dixon line sherriff accent tbh

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:34 (sixteen years ago)

pizza > simpsons > beatles imo

― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:35 (sixteen years ago)

are there more simpsons episodes than beatles songs yet

― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:35 (sixteen years ago)

By miles I think. Also the Beatles can fuck off.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:36 (sixteen years ago)

why are both of these shows CANON anyway?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:36 (sixteen years ago)

I dunno, I haven't watched one of them.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:37 (sixteen years ago)

arrested development isn't CANON at all, it's a recent show that has a cult following

― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:38 (sixteen years ago)

i loved the simpsons but it gets harder to remember that vs how done with it i am now. i am pretty sure that when i loved the simpsons the most i loved it more than i love AD, but for this immediate purpose i find it hard to care about that. i still like 30 rock better than either tho so i am already an opinion leper on the 1st century ad levantine byways of ilx television polls

― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:38 (sixteen years ago)

Looking at the stuff AD beat to get to the final tho is a smh moment.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:39 (sixteen years ago)

based on not having seen it, like

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:39 (sixteen years ago)

Well yeah but Taxi and Cheers and 30 Rock?? CTFO

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, you may have somethin with 30 rock

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:41 (sixteen years ago)

shd point out that most of us Europeans think that everybody south of Mason-Dixon talks like that fat sheriff out the James Bond movies tho

Nah, just Buford T. Justice.

― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:45 (sixteen years ago)

Don't most Americans think that too?

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:46 (sixteen years ago)

well... yes

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:46 (sixteen years ago)

Not Californians tho, they all talk like Bill and Ted.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:47 (sixteen years ago)

I mean, judging by the attempts at Southern accents by any number of non-Southern actors over the years

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:47 (sixteen years ago)

people aren't still talking bout that, surely

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:48 (sixteen years ago)

They are too, boy(o)

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:50 (sixteen years ago)

The Mason-Dixon line does not extend to California!

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:51 (sixteen years ago)

then why is there a southern one?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:52 (sixteen years ago)

what constitutes the us south as a geopol concept baffles the rest of the world tbh

― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:53 (sixteen years ago)

Easy, it's part of the US where they talk like that fat sheriff out the James Bond movies

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:55 (sixteen years ago)

As a lifelong southerner, I can tell you that "boy" has a multitude of connotations. As it was used upthread -- a rebuttal to Whiney's know-it-all city slickerness -- is perfectly acceptable.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:56 (sixteen years ago)

i'm not about to throw a victory parade tbh

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:57 (sixteen years ago)

this poll kinda bums me out, esp. seeing stuff like wkrp, mash, cheers, taxi, cosby show bite the dust....the two finalists aren't really sitcoms at all. this seems like a sitcom poll conducted by ppl that don't really like the sitcom format IMO...

that said will vote simpsons so fast

― When I'm back in my old 'hood (Hopkins, Minnesota) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:59 (sixteen years ago)

this seems like a sitcom poll conducted by ppl that don't really like the sitcom format IMO

Surprised David Cronenberg didn't make the final tbh

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:00 (sixteen years ago)

this seems like a sitcom poll conducted by ppl that don't really like the sitcom format IMO

Oh, it's CONDUCTED by someone who appreciates the format a great deal. Now as for the voters...

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:01 (sixteen years ago)

still kind of amazed The Simpsons beat MASH tbh

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:02 (sixteen years ago)

MASH is another hermetically-sealed american weirdness example imo.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:02 (sixteen years ago)

this seems like a sitcom poll conducted by ppl that don't really like the sitcom format IMO

Oh, it's CONDUCTED by someone who appreciates the format a great deal. Now as for the voters...

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, September 7, 2010 5:01 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry johnny, poor word choice!

― You know, Caps... Jimmy Hats, Gloves, McRibs, Slee (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:02 (sixteen years ago)

Nah M*A*S*H is 9 tenths Fucking A if you can see it without the laugh track.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:03 (sixteen years ago)

then i really wouldn't know when it had made a 'joke'

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:03 (sixteen years ago)

MASH is another hermetically-sealed american weirdness example imo.

Not sure what you mean, but it's one of the most popular American sitcoms on British TV ever, certainly it was shown for a long time (I suppose that doesn't necessariy equate with popularity)

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:04 (sixteen years ago)

brits/yanks ur all the same to me

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

Apart from "Friends" I can't think of a more popular American sitcom on British TV than "MASH"

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

the weirdest thing about sitcoms to me is that the classic format ones are so lonely...like they all exist in a fundamentally lonely universe...

i realize this is because of budgets and the fact that you can't have that many characters, but it always strikes me watching, like cheers or night court, like how friendless everyone is...

it's kinda weird almost...like unintentional commentary on modern life i guess or something....

the cosby show is the exception, bill always made it seem like the huxtables exist in a real, human community...like the kids have FRIENDS! which shouldn't be weird but it is weird in sitcom terms...usually the only ppl that exist are the ppl in whatever the main situation is - the family room, the bar, the place of work, etc....

― You know, Caps... Jimmy Hats, Gloves, McRibs, Slee (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:06 (sixteen years ago)

I think my top 4 would include MASH, The Cosby Show and The Simspons but I have no idea what the 4th show would be.

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:08 (sixteen years ago)

coach

― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

Was "Barney Miller" in this poll anyway?

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:10 (sixteen years ago)

I wonder if I'd seeded the bracket differently, would M*A*S*H have beat out Arrested Development and made it to the final vs. The Simpsons? (The Simpsons beat it already here, but more people come out for the finals.)

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:11 (sixteen years ago)

I think my top 4 would include MASH, The Cosby Show and The Simspons but I have no idea what the 4th show would be.

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, September 7, 2010 12:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

real stories of the highway patrol

― goole, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:11 (sixteen years ago)

haha matt otm

i would like to see a "three-camera, laugh track" sitcom poll

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:14 (sixteen years ago)

Never seen Sanford and Son but is it as unrelentingly bleak as the UK sitcom it's based on?

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:19 (sixteen years ago)

I would very much doubt that

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:21 (sixteen years ago)

not really

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:21 (sixteen years ago)

Figured it wouldn't be. Steptoe and Son is like Beckett, no exaggeration.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:22 (sixteen years ago)

a camera zooming in on bramble or corbett before a monologue is a sobering journey

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:23 (sixteen years ago)

Titus amd Daniel?

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

Oh, you won't know who Daniel is

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:26 (sixteen years ago)

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/networks/cbn-e/images/members/uk_daniel_corbett.jpg

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:28 (sixteen years ago)

:|

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:29 (sixteen years ago)

Altho Brambell did manage to outbleak Steptoe later on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KNMeIu_cjM&feature=related

(Warning: will scar you for life)

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:30 (sixteen years ago)

pretty sure bramble managed to outbleak steptoe off screen too iirc

― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:32 (sixteen years ago)

thx for killing the thread bros

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:22 (sixteen years ago)

this is the only one of these polls I've voted in and I'm voting Simpsons because AD doesn't actually have any jokes, just premises.

― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:24 (sixteen years ago)

no.

― snrub-n-tug (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:29 (sixteen years ago)

if they don't say knock knock i don't know when i'm supposed to laugh :(

― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

I'm voting Simpsons because AD doesn't actually have any jokes, just premises.

don't understand this at all

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 20:56 (sixteen years ago)

it's a pun -- AD is about property developers ("premises")

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 21:02 (sixteen years ago)

itt: fun-hatin'

― acoleuthic, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 21:18 (sixteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

― System, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

this is the only one of these polls I've voted in and I'm voting Simpsons because AD doesn't actually have any jokes, just premises.

― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:24 (5 hours ago) Bookmark

OTM

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 23:51 (sixteen years ago)

don't understand this at all

you don't understand the difference between a premise and a joke...? The former contains the raw material required for something funny to happen, the latter actually is funny. "What if there were a kid named George Michael?" for example, is a premise, but it isn't really a joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itbUSS-gZPc

― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 23:56 (sixteen years ago)

I've watched a bunch of AD and while it's mildly entertaining, it's never actually made me laugh. I find it's popularity here perplexing (sort of like ILX's love affair with Wet Hot American Summer, which is kinda similar in terms of it's funny premise to actual joke ratio)

― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 23:58 (sixteen years ago)

AD is brilliant as hell, but the Simpsons seasons 4-7 is not only already longer than AD's run, but probably the best 4 seasons of television ever made, ever, anywhere, ever.

I mean, REALLY.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:03 (sixteen years ago)

Was "Barney Miller" in this poll anyway?

Knocked out in the first round. I was sad.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:05 (sixteen years ago)

simpsons is a behemoth. nothing will beat it. that said - i voted simpsons.

― lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:09 (sixteen years ago)

It's just the truth.

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! You no truth handler, you! Bah, I deride your truth-handling abilities!

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:22 (sixteen years ago)

friends 1-4 as good a four year run of sitcom as simpsons 4-7 imo. and i'm pretty sure most four year runs of south park beat it too, for me.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:24 (sixteen years ago)

^ madness.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:25 (sixteen years ago)

South Park, I can see, actually. But Friends?

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:26 (sixteen years ago)

best run of South Park was clearly 4-8

― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:27 (sixteen years ago)

Where were you when they built the ladder to heaven?

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:28 (sixteen years ago)

will rep for friends

it was actually a sitcom, for a start

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:28 (sixteen years ago)

Bending statistics to your will is all that is.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:29 (sixteen years ago)

in your heart you know i'm right

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:30 (sixteen years ago)

In my heart I'd rather watch reruns of "The King of Queens".

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:32 (sixteen years ago)

No exaggeration, I really would.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:32 (sixteen years ago)

OMG what's going to happen to his big television THIS week, I wonder?!?!?!

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:33 (sixteen years ago)

ur mockery wounds only urself in the long run sir

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:35 (sixteen years ago)

I'd make a joke about Friends, but I can't much remember any of it.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:36 (sixteen years ago)

yeah well i spoke to one of the writers or performers of the tv show 'fends' and they'd never heard of YOU either

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

fends

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

nerd gag about dinosaurs, stupid one says something stupid, hippy does something ditzy but cute

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

wait no that was The Young Ones.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:38 (sixteen years ago)

ws phoebe. Not enough, though.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:39 (sixteen years ago)

maybe it's a 'went through puberty with only 2 tv channels' thing. it was aniston, cox and whateverhernameis vs the angelus.

you guys are both nearly dead, as the curve goes- you think that might be it?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:40 (sixteen years ago)

Been outside the 18-34 demo for coming on two years now. But the thing is, I was squarely in that demo when Friends was popular, and I just didn't care for it. It's even worse now, when I surf past it. It had zero teeth.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:42 (sixteen years ago)

Seinfeld is a sitcom about a bunch of sociopaths. So is AD. And the Simpsons was at the very least written by a bunch of sociopaths.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:43 (sixteen years ago)

I don't want to play identity politics with TV characters, I want them to embody my darkest impulses. Homer Simpson, Eric Cartman, and George Costanza are the best characters TV has ever seen.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:45 (sixteen years ago)

Fuck a pile of Ross.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:46 (sixteen years ago)

Dale Gribble and Hey Now Hank Kingsley are TV's greatest characters too

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:47 (sixteen years ago)

pffft brian griffin shits on all of em

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:48 (sixteen years ago)

Oh, Hank. Hank makes me hurt inside. In a special way, though. You can't not love Hank.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:48 (sixteen years ago)

and steptoe jr kills em all for teeth/rage

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:48 (sixteen years ago)

Brian is also a bit of a douche tbf

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:48 (sixteen years ago)

George Costanza also makes me hurt inside, but in a way that's best not ever spoken of.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:49 (sixteen years ago)

I have hidden under my desk and napped. Oh yes I have.

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:50 (sixteen years ago)

course brian griffin is a douche he's a lodger

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:51 (sixteen years ago)

The whole structure of Family Guy is too ramshackle to support solid personas, at least not across episodes. They're more like voices, and whether one character or another gets to voice the witty observation in that scene is less a matter of personality than timing. I don't think that's bad, but Brian is just another incarnation of Seth MacFarlane. Mind you, Seth MacFarlane is a smart, funny guy, but why not pick Stewie?

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:04 (sixteen years ago)

still got aspirations, no drink habit- not as funny

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:06 (sixteen years ago)

nah I think Stewie is funnier, especially when he is enthused by something

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:08 (sixteen years ago)

or when he zings on Brian's novel

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:09 (sixteen years ago)

being real in tandem they're as good as anything on tv, and to heck with whatever this week's 'storyline' is

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:10 (sixteen years ago)

I think they're as fleshed out as most other sitcom characters, yeah.

― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:11 (sixteen years ago)

Interesting. To what degree does the creator's or writer's sensibility affect all of the characters equally, regardless of the setup? (At the risk of sounding way over-analytical about cartoons.)

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:16 (sixteen years ago)

I mean, to some degree ALL of the characters on Seinfeld are Larry David, right? George just moreso. (And more perfectly so.)

― kenan, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 01:18 (sixteen years ago)

you don't understand the difference between a premise and a joke...?

i do. the george michael thing is hardly even a joke, and i find it bizarre that you would focus upon that when there's a blizzard of real actual jokes throughout every episode of the show.

i mean, does the word "analrapist" mean nothing to you? "all premise and no jokes" is on a Morbsian level of misappreciating and misrepresenting something to remain curmudgeonly and superior. Why not just say you don't get it? there's no shame in it.

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 07:01 (sixteen years ago)

Why not just say you don't get it? there's no shame in it.

Ha cmon if it were that easy ILM would just stop.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 09:07 (sixteen years ago)

Interesting. To what degree does the creator's or writer's sensibility affect all of the characters equally, regardless of the setup?

well yeah when the characters are all dreamt up and set rolling from a pool of one or two creators it's more of a thing, isn't it?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 09:08 (sixteen years ago)

There's definitely a big difference between not getting a show's humor and not liking a show's humor. I don't have any real axe to grind with AD other than I only ever found it amusing sometimes and boring and labored the rest of the time. It's disappointing too, because I like the cast.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 09:11 (sixteen years ago)

There's definitely a big difference between not getting a show's humor and not liking a show's humor.

i can totally understand not liking a show's humour too. but denying that it even exists?

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:48 (sixteen years ago)

i do. the george michael thing is hardly even a joke, and i find it bizarre that you would focus upon that when there's a blizzard of real actual jokes throughout every episode of the show.

i mean, does the word "analrapist" mean nothing to you? "all premise and no jokes" is on a Morbsian level of misappreciating and misrepresenting something to remain curmudgeonly and superior. Why not just say you don't get it? there's no shame in it.

GO STEVIE!
GO CH1CK!

― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:51 (sixteen years ago)

I don't get it

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:53 (sixteen years ago)

new adventures in OTMing

― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:58 (sixteen years ago)

Arrested DevelOTMent

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:59 (sixteen years ago)

Okay. Tobias Funke, never-nude and clearly-closeted husband of Lynsey Bluth, is discussing his unsuccessful career as a psychiatrist, and states that business seemed to suffer when he announced himself as a combination analyst/therapist.

Cut to: Image of his business card, reading "Tobias Funke, Analrapist" (a conflation of the words therapist and analyst)

Now, you may not find this funny. You may think it peurile or stupid or offensive. You may be so irritated by the presence of Ron Howard as the narrator that you're reduced to stony-faced silence throughout regardless.

But it is a joke, not a premise. So there are jokes in AD, as well as premises.

I whole-heartedly support Shakey's right to think AD is trash and unfunny. But there are jokes.

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:00 (sixteen years ago)

That's funny, reminds me of a Benny Hill sketch where a succession of women keep coming up and slapping a guy in the face 'cos he'd inadvertently covered part of the sign on his office door that read Therapist so it said Rapist.

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:06 (sixteen years ago)

In fact, it might have said The Rapist, which is funnier

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:06 (sixteen years ago)

I'm about 2/3 of the way through Season 1 of AD, and yeah, there are definitely jokes. And I've even LOLed a few times, but nothing so far has made me laugh as much as anything in the first ten seasons of The Simpsons. Henry Winkler has so far been the funniest thing on the show!

― Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:09 (sixteen years ago)

but you agree, Tom, that its "a joke" yes?

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:43 (sixteen years ago)

^ leading argument imo

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:44 (sixteen years ago)

just requesting clarity is all dara

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:45 (sixteen years ago)

:)

see, that was a premise, but not a fully fledged 'joke' imo

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:45 (sixteen years ago)

pls to explain

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:46 (sixteen years ago)

o no u dont

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:46 (sixteen years ago)

Homer Simpson, Eric Cartman, and George Costanza are the best characters TV has ever seen.

SGT ERNIE BILKO
BASIL FAWLTY
PHILIP E. MARLOW

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:47 (sixteen years ago)

MAUDE FINDLAY
JERRI BLANK
BOB ROSS

― Eric H., Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:51 (sixteen years ago)

RITCHIE
RALPHIE
POTSIE

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 12:05 (sixteen years ago)

JFK
BLOWN AWAY
WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 12:06 (sixteen years ago)

5 ounces semisweet or bittersweet chocolate, chopped
2 ounces unsweetened chocolate, chopped
8 tablespoons unsalted butter (1 stick) cut into quarters
3 tablespoons good-quality cocoa powder
3 large eggs, room temperature
1 1/4 cups sugar
2 teaspoons vanilla extract
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup (5 oz) all-purpose flour

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 12:14 (sixteen years ago)

Would Eat

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 12:22 (sixteen years ago)

MEL
VERA
FLO

― Olde Executioner 8hundo (Eazy), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 12:24 (sixteen years ago)

JOEY'S DUCK
CHANDLER'S CHICKS
THE ARMCHAIR WITH THE POP OUT LEGS

― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 12:25 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jm6B31HKBw&feature=player_embedded

― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 13:19 (sixteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

― System, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

Fair results.

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 23:02 (sixteen years ago)

So, as predicted from the beginning, The Simpsons = Pizza.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 23:04 (sixteen years ago)

margin shoulda been even wider

― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 23:06 (sixteen years ago)

need 51 to sb 51

― always be cozen (dayo), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 23:51 (sixteen years ago)

happy enough with that showing tbh

― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 00:33 (sixteen years ago)

jesus 51 major challops

― rock n roll individual (some dude), Thursday, 9 September 2010 00:33 (sixteen years ago)

at least it wasn't a total blowout

― Nhex, Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:02 (sixteen years ago)

wow I thought this would be 5-1

― iatee, Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:13 (sixteen years ago)

The Plain People of ILX have spoken.

― Aimless, Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:16 (sixteen years ago)

ILX gets harder and harder to stereotype everyday
Many of the polls prove that there must be 100s or lurkers

― false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:36 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, The Simpsons win a poll on an Internet message board, no stereotypes there.

― Jeff, Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:38 (sixteen years ago)

don't know why polls have to avoid stereotypes.

― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:40 (sixteen years ago)

this poll isn't surpising (did I say it was. no)

but the one where arrested development and cheers beat 30 rock and frasier surprised me.

also curb your enthusiasm (a show I never saw because I don't have HBO) lasting as long as it did surprised me. I mean, I didn't realize so many people have HBO.

― false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:48 (sixteen years ago)

If anything this poll had a surprising amount of arrested development votes. I like that show and own all 3 seasons on DVD but come on

― false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:49 (sixteen years ago)

I think I voted for the simpsons, but there's something to be said for a kick-ass show that didn't wear out its welcome (I know the last season has haters, but whatever), esp compared to a show that is the deathless poster child of wearing out its welcome.

― da croupier, Thursday, 9 September 2010 02:31 (sixteen years ago)

If it would just die we could totally give it the Michael Jackson treatment and pretend the last decade didn't happen.

― da croupier, Thursday, 9 September 2010 02:32 (sixteen years ago)

nobody I know who watches curb your enthusiasm has HBO, they all either torrent it or watch the dvds

xp

― peter in montreal, Thursday, 9 September 2010 02:32 (sixteen years ago)

this poll isn't surpising (did I say it was. no)

wasn't responding to yr post, tbf?

― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 02:33 (sixteen years ago)

i was responding to jeff

― false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 9 September 2010 02:34 (sixteen years ago)

oic

― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 02:37 (sixteen years ago)

pronounced "hoick"

― Aimless, Thursday, 9 September 2010 02:43 (sixteen years ago)

but the one where arrested development and cheers beat 30 rock and frasier surprised me... If anything this poll had a surprising amount of arrested development votes. I like that show and own all 3 seasons on DVD but come on

will never understand people who are actually SURPRISED that everyone on a poll doesn't reflect their opinions exactly, and wonder what they actually think the purpose of a poll is... if i were a psychiatrist i would name this pfunkboy's syndrome.

― the cusses of 2 live crew (stevie), Thursday, 9 September 2010 07:34 (sixteen years ago)

i mean its cool and all, but isn't the purpose of a poll to find out what other people think? why should their tastes reflect yours?

― the cusses of 2 live crew (stevie), Thursday, 9 September 2010 07:35 (sixteen years ago)

That's not why I was surprised. I was surprised because the 30 Rock thread on ILX is humongous and I thought the demographic of ILX was a little more skewed towards people being of the age of Frasier vs. Cheers (but that was a dumb of me to think that)

― false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 9 September 2010 22:05 (sixteen years ago)

i must admit, it hurt to watch cheers, one of my favourite shows of all time, exit the poll

― the cusses of 2 live crew (stevie), Thursday, 9 September 2010 22:35 (sixteen years ago)

It fought the good fight for many rounds.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 September 2010 22:38 (sixteen years ago)

at least 51 ppl who don't know when to laff

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 September 2010 02:17 (sixteen years ago)

and no fewer than 51 who do

*pats self on back*

― max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 02:21 (sixteen years ago)


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