T/S: Aging Mod Dudes vs Aging Punk Dudes

Isn't the first pic Liam Gallagher in 5 years minutes from now?

haha, I have spent all the time since this poll was posted looking at that trying to work out if it's Liam Gallagher or not.

Yes, Liam Gallagher rocking the haircut favoured by Media Studies lecturers in FE and guys who hang around the bar at Northern Soul nights.

Ideally the model Punk guy would have a septum piercing and a copy of Socialist Worker under his arm but I was working on a US hegemonic search engine.

thread collision!

He would occasionally drop in on my mod band

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jan/05/popandrock

Harris looks like he could teach BTEC National Diploma Music in his sleep.

the lazy punk aesthetic refuses to die in u.s., too. people here are too dumb and uncouth to do the mod thing, though

Don't they have Ben Sherman shirts in America?

Anyway these are both despicable obv but I thought we shd have a change from "who's the worst?"

older punx in the u.s. would probably be a little more grungey gutter punk usually...u.k. always had a certain element to punk that felt like everyone was dressing up for halloween

older mod dudez can look kinda cool IMO but i'm so removed from it maybe it's annoying in the u.k. if you actually see it.

mods are kinda like unicorns to me, like i'm just kinda blown away to actually see one on the rare occaission that i do

surely mod dudes are worse via smug aura from having 'won' (in their view) popular culture?

Older UK punks are grubbier than the guy in the pic too, it was just the first usable GIS I came across.

I think the Mod guys might well be worse, and it is down to how they carry themselves mostly yes.

yeah, there are ben sherman shirts in america. i have seen them on s. people who fetishize mod stuff and b. racist skinhead types

older punx in the u.s. would probably be a little more grungey gutter punk usually...u.k. always had a certain element to punk that felt like everyone was dressing up for halloween

i see both varieties everyday. nomadic homeless crusty punks panhandling, and halloween sorts with the haircuts, black leather, spikes, swimming in tattoos, etc.

there are more mods on the west coast, i think? i'm sure there are tons of u.s.-based scooter clubs on facebook

yeah, there are ben sherman shirts in america. i have seen them on s. people who fetishize mod stuff and b. racist skinhead types

freudian slip-- "s" for suggest, "b" ban

those being my favorite brands of underarm deodorant

You occasionally see the ageing mod who hasn't changed his outfit in thirty years (and, even better, the officially old original mod who hasn't changed his in fifty, although those dudes are probably a bit crazy), but I don't know that I've ever seen a 50-year-old guy decked out in the full Richard Hell kit. So I side with the punks. Or the mods. Someone give me some criteria to work with.

Wd you rather hang with dude who won't shut up about Paul Weller or won't shut up about Steve Ignorant? Me I'm siding with the latter.

but I don't know that I've ever seen a 50-year-old guy decked out in the full Richard Hell kit.

i see this in u.s.

in america i would rather hang out with hypothetical mod dude. in u.k, i'd probably go the other way.

it is funny how mod subculture never took off here. too much cowboy values, suspicion of all things fancy, european, i guess?

there was a lil scene in early 80s california, along with ppl into 2tone + uk ska.

yeah, i mean there were mod bands from cleveland during that period, but it never really took off in america. like, grand funk railroad never went through a mod phase.

I am tangentially acquainted with a bunch of aging mod types in Chicago. They seem to always have good w33d. Also pretty heavy anglophiles iirc.

midwest cognoscenti holler

old punk people always seem super cute to me, especially if they have spikes, backpatches, the whole nine. especially especially if they are pushing strollers and drinking coffee in the early morning. i always want to say "wow you are so perfect and cute" and take them home (in miniature form) and put them on a shelf so i can admire them periodically.

ugh i hate those people

where i live those ppl turn out to be foaming-at-the-mouth racists, without exception

oh

:(

i don't talk to them, so my admiration remains unmarred

so so many in portland

they probably are awesome. i'm just severely prejudiced

I think they shd let go.

Aging goths are the best. The people who made "Carpe Noctem" magazine lived in my hometown for a while...their kid was three or so years younger than me but we went to the same high school. He had dyed his hair purple and when people asked why he said, "Because my mom made me." And you got the feeling it was in some way partly true.

Aging seems to suit the goth aesthetic better, plus goths seem to naturally gravitate toward domestic bliss. It's a reasonably gender-mixed subculture.

The dudes I'm thinking of give off much more of a "last cowboy in town" vibe. Even tho there's fucking loads of them.

haha, noodle vague i admire your armchair anthropological spec

think you are "OTM"

Pro tip: 5 minute walks to the shops can provide useful material for ILX threads

nothing to do with you, but, i wake up sometimes at five am with "useful material for ilx threads" thank goodness i forget it all when morning light comes 'round

five minute walks to shops = me being too distracted looking at butts to be engaged in lofty ilx material

and i live near an art school so probably my leering is technically illegal or something

see this does all sound like classic thread material

at the very least epitomizes male ilxors' experience in any part of the world, i'm thinking

There was also a great lady in her 50s in my hometown who ran a headshop that also sold "goth accessories." Smoker's croak, still eyeliner doodles on her wrinkled face. She only liked two bands, though, Alice Cooper and Cradle of Filth. Half the stuff she sold was band merchandise, but only of those two bands, and then just drug stuff and Slave Labor Graphics comics and glitter. I think more stores should be run like this.

ha, wow. true lol

love that story/lady abbott (bt)

The first Saturday of every month she had a "dark convergence" of everyone having coffee at the truck stop.

i want to go to there

Aging seems to suit the goth aesthetic better, plus goths seem to naturally gravitate toward domestic bliss. It's a reasonably gender-mixed subculture.

but hey wait, i dunno about this. relative to west coast US, doesn't sync. cuz punks here is gender mixed and also domestically inclined, with the marrying and baby-making, etc. moreso than goths, who often seem to exist in semi-isolation, only ever seen out shopping with their moms, etc.

one time in college i was at this denny's and these dudes were sitting in a booth trying to write dark-themed speed metal lyrics

it was an eye-opener of sorts for twenty year-old me

what rhymes with "cadaver"? *grabs french fry*

palaver?

aging goths just look like barbara cartland

Filthy corpse
Rotting cadaver
Necrotic flesh
What a palaver

Living in the aging mod capital of the universe, I voting punx on this one.

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx343/Mount_Analogue/oldmod.jpg

I don't mind the full-on Quadrophenia theme party look so much as the Liam Gallagher/John Harris haircut discussed upthread. I think I have a bunch of mates who are basically aging mods/Northern Soul dudes but in a tasteful way maybe?

Shd've maybe worked in "dudes who look like they wanna be Ian Brown or Richard Ashcroft" somehow.

aging punk dudes are a lot less douchey, in my experience.

Just noticed that feller's WHITE JEANS gah!

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i wear ben sherman ;_;

ben sherman shirts are pretty nice i don't have any but they are just like regular collar shirst what's the fuss abt?

anyway i vote aging mods, except for the saddoes still trying to pick up young mod chix

http://www.pennyblackmusic.co.uk/PictureGallery/6454.jpg

graham day is my favourite aging mod

graham day is my favourite aging mod

Graham Day is my fave aging musician period

Mods of any age, obv. Ben Shermans seem like more of a skin thing, tho. Aging skinheads shd be separate entry although maybe the aging mod look is sort of the skinhead retirement plan.

It's either that or rockabilly ime.

Ben Sherman's are available at like Macys or Nordstroms or something. I imagine that tghey are worn by guys who hang out in bars.

There was a mod who worked at Domino's Pizza with me back in 98 or whatever. He had one of those re, white, and blue target stickers on the back of his car. He was a total snob about ska and I couldn't have a convo with him about even the Toasters or the Pietasters or anything.

Anyway, as far as the aging thing, punx all the way.

maybe it's a regional thing, most of the aging mods in melb are pretty nice peeps. don't really know any aging punx tho tbh

Mod clothes are fine, no matter what age you are, but the haircuts are indefensible

... for a 45 year old man especially

could be worse, could be a 43 year old indie kid

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/Tim_Burgess_290x300.jpg

I know older ones than that!

with that hair??

Mod clothes are fine, no matter what age you are, but the haircuts are indefensible

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:04 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

think this gets it...

i am actually jealous of mr burgess' hair but i would NOT wear it like that

I certainly would lay off the hair dye a bit too

Older punk dudes are usually quite endearing, mods are insufferable regardless of age.

See, the whole "mod" look is something I could 'carry off' but it's nothing I want.. (no desire to own a scooter, parkas were always a red herring, and it was always about looking good at age 20, not looking "mod" at age 50).

xpost I have good hair (i.e. I have (non-grey) hair)

bloody hell, this thread is xpost city!

Mod clothes are fine, no matter what age you are, but the haircuts are indefensible

Kinda sums up my inspiration for starting this really ^^^

older moddy dudes i have encountered often have gd taste knowledge of jazz/soul/modernism in gen, whereas i once got dragged to a rezillos reunion show by ageing punka friends and it was one of the worst nights of my life (also gold blade in support ugh)

I encounter a lot more aging punx than aging mods, but most aging punk dudes are A+ would hang out with again, so them.

Sort of realising if I actually dressed like a punk I would probably qualify as an aging punk dude now though...

xpost Goldblade are a curse on society, luckily when I went to see X-Ray Spex with them supporting I timed it just right to miss their entire set.

How "funny" does Clint Boon's hair look nowadays btw? Not a rhetorical question, I haven't got time to GIS.

GIS indicates it is not quite what it used to be

I did meet TV Smith and Gaye Advert once and they both looked amazing - I actually did a pub quiz with them without realising who they were

I have it on good authority that Charlie Harper from UK Subs is the best aging punk dude in the world, and that John Robb is a pain in the hole.

Old mod haircuts are terrible, yes. My local pub appears full of them, and, just, no.

Filthy corpse
Rotting cadaver
Necrotic flesh
What a palaver

― jesper olsen twins (NickB), Sunday, 19 September 2010 20:26 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

underrated post

the old mods round my way, afaict, are sort of on the fringes of the Cardiff City hooligan cabal without being actual 'Soul Crew'

the old punks drink big plastic bottles of Olde English then come to gigs and lambast everyone else for not dancing

a winner is punx

Whoever tops this poll will be a "winner".

Nah my answer last night was mostly a factor of having to type on my little phone keyboard, really aging punks prob have the best outlook on life and are the nicest to be around. Pretty much if you survived the era and have moderately got some of your shit together, are drug-free, etc, a mellowed-out punk sounds unbeatable to me.

Mod dress ages really well on its own, though -- the sillier parts not obv but suits & tailored leisure stuff are always going to look good/feel good.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Old goths, mods and punks are OK, but from experience I've concluded that old power-pop fans are the worst BY FAR. You'll know you've encountered a power-pop fan when they get butthurt about their precious genre being lumped in with other mere generic rock.

can't believe mods won this worst ever

There are so many old goths in this town - 40 to 50+ year olds, some running stores, some just being regular people who happen to still have long purple hair and velvet dresses.

I think its p easy to be an elegant older goth lady.

oh u do do u

nick drake's sister pulled it off

I've concluded that old power-pop fans are the worst BY FAR

So you're actually met Geir Hongro?

He's old?

In spirit, in spirit

there are so few mods in the u.s. that i'm actually happy on the rare occasion i see one out in the wild. i approve of scooters (if driven safely). i like it when people dress nice.

old punks can be fun as long as they still listen to new music, and if their heads haven't completely been done in by 30-some years of drug/alcohol abuse.

Thinking there's a difference between Aging Mods and Aging Paul Weller Fans, tho it's easy to get the two confused. That horrible haircut that was acceptable when 19-y-o Steve Marriott had it in 1966 but is a fucking disgrace when you're 47 in 2010 is more indicative of Aging Paul Weller Fans than Aging Mods.

we also need to differentiate between standard mod style and hippie john lennon granny glasses mod style.

this needs to go away forever:

http://cdn.plussizecostumesupercenter.com/csc_inc/images/items/343x432/24581-01.jpg

They have a scooter rally at Largs every summer and while you occasionally see someone in full quadrophenia get-up, it's more likely they'll have a parka, stonewashed tesco jeans and a beer belly, I still shout 'WE ARE THE MODS' at them though, an't help myself :)

Found this when looking for a Liam Gallagher mod haircut that I actually like (was looking for the Kinks tribute kind of thing with the straight fringe and longer sides).

http://mindlessones.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/liam_gallagher.jpg

I have it on good authority that Charlie Harper from UK Subs is the
best aging punk dude in the world, and that John Robb is a pain in the hole.

This bears repeating, Charlie Harper is a fucking star. Can't vouch for the John Robb part but I hate Goldblade, so... although I'm considering going to see the Membranes reunion next month so maybe I'll see then

An aging punk dude was being really sneakily racist to a black friend of mine in the pub recently, and just ambiguously enough that no one could take him to task on it. It was was horrible.

That horrible haircut that was acceptable when 19-y-o Steve Marriott had it in 1966 but is a fucking disgrace when you're 47 in 2010 is more indicative of Aging Paul Weller Fans than Aging Mods.

If I could've been more eloquent when I started the thread then this is what I would've said.

Thread needs Jesse Hector

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Rz2lA3paL._SS400_.jpg

what i want to know is, is noodle vague an aging mod or punk?

An aging monk

I oppose all rock and roll, obv.

An aging punk dude was being really sneakily racist to a black friend of mine in the pub recently

Aging Skrewdriver fan?

it's more likely they'll have a parka the same parka they wore at age 15, stonewashed tesco jeans and a beer belly

think we need some sort of ilx aging mod dude photo comp

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/eastmidlands/series10/images/mods_gallery/three_mods449.jpg

This is mostly acceptable. Guy on left needs to lose the shades, both younger dudes need to get 1 grip. Dude front centre possibly a bit racist.

http://www.paul-weller.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Weller-Imposter.jpg

Still marking down emo kids trying to pass their BTec Music. ugggh.

http://api.ning.com/files/geZ5vj*ehKwoMZ7TZijo5BHsGZEj3bx6a9hRGhe6U5j1Eko9f80X1zFKiNWmM04C/Weller.jpg?width=620&height=465

Double standard these look great obv

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JHr8RFbKOOU/SxT8u2lfWeI/AAAAAAAADKQ/dx0qdYPCM6k/s1600/pres3.jpg

Mary-Lou Who barber malfunction

is there a technical word for this fucking haircut, i am v. ignorant of style jargon?

http://www.phillipsartexpert.com/cms-media/2008-08-19/273_003.jpg

Oh jesus i have just become aware of Josh Weller. Take back everything I've said about the Mods.

Saw a couple of skinhead girls yesterday, always loved that look

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IeVEawIpC_k/TUJhEjn9aYI/AAAAAAAALVM/7a7H4qtLQ8U/s1600/miles_kane.jpg

I think it was (What's the Story) Morning Glory? I know it sounds obvious but I'm sure I got it from Woolworths. I was always a big Oasis fan. Noel sings harmony on a track on my record. It was only a little thing but he came to the studio for an afternoon and hung out. It was lovely. I love Beady Eye too, especially Four Letter Word. We're supporting them in March which I can't wait for. They're both lovely lads. It's great to see them back. Hopefully they'll bring a bit of rock and roll to the charts. There's not one guitar band in the top forty. I'd love to get in the charts and have it. The radio is awful at the minute - just so boring. It needs to change. My record's rock and roll but there's a pop element there too. I want my records in the charts and on the radio. I want to get it out there and break that barrier. It's influenced by John Lennon and T-Rex. It's got that groove feel. You can have a good dance to it, I love it.

No hype I hope yr vocal cords get run over by a bus.

sort of impressive how much cant can be fitted into a few lines

Saw a couple of skinhead girls yesterday, always loved that look

― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:34 AM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^this guy knows what's poppin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tdG0Ivz5uI

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chrisbevan/

Bevan dances perilously close to Faulknerian Idiot Manchild territory

think I'm right in saying noted ILX poster 'the lex' will remember Bevan from student journalism

doubt he'll look at a thread called "T/S: Aging Mod Dudes vs Aging Punk Dudes" tho :(

that 'do is the platonic ideal of "crap middle-aged mod hair"

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AwAB-70GL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

^ this fucking guy

Ah, come on. We all looked like that once.

Is that photo from just up the street from where the cover of What's the Story Morning Glory was shot?

The thing about ageing punk dudes is that they know they look ridiculous whereas ageing mod dudes actually think they dress well.

My take on it is:

Mods look great in the clothes and styles, etc. When they're 17.

After that, it's like girls dressing in "young C&A" fashions because they fit.

(girls, I meant "over 20" obv)

"first of my kind" particularly hilarious text to overlay on that photo

... this morning

Weller is looking like a cross between Rick Parfitt and Francis Rossi these days. NAGL.

the mentality that goes with a title like "First of My Kind" is the teeth-grinder.

was gonna launch another rant. don't have words. that haircut sums up such a nexus of raaaaaaarrrrgh in me that i can't articulate. always the fucking northwest, too.

REPRESENTING FOR 1972

London isn't British anymore. Truly English music now comes from the North, i.e. Manchester, Liverpool etc. Look up the word "Britpop" for a further explaination.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:47 PM (8 years ago)

He's right though, it's been like that since 1066 or so

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/aug/27/ofsted-council-rape-toddler-nursery

http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article143060.ece/BINARY/paul-wilson-623235793.jpg

not sure, maybe more emo-allied

the cropping in that guardian photo is mendacious editing of a high order

anyway by the time he gets released he will be AMD, assuming he doesn't get shivved to death

probably more of a fan of these guys

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mZ4mWlp5p2o/TxiaSkI0pcI/AAAAAAAAFMA/ykDWCHz4Chg/s320/the-wiggles.1.jpg

Good thread. Wish I'd noticed this when poll still open.

The issue with both options is the tightening up of a scene? - styles that used to be productive and capable of new things now reduced to a series of tick boxes.

Except it was probably exactly like that already when these guys were young, anyway.

And this sterility would also be a problem with young 'mods' and 'punks' too.

it started out really as a gripe about particular niche groups in the UK - middle-aged dudes with that horrible Liam Gallagher hair and usually the accompanying reactionary old fart attitudes to (especially musical) culture. i see punks of that age and lineage much less often, and when i do they tend to be a little further down the socioeconomic food chain, clinging tenaciously to some kind of crust realism. they're probably far less annoying as a group.

obviously the requisite fashion signifiers have quite different implications outside of the UK tho.

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Old Punks really usually means old 80s punks, though, right? So that's a mark against them, in that they're trying to keep alive a subculture which had already reached a calcified form.

I find it difficult to trust someone who decided to listen to the UK Subs and Crass at a time when there was Throbbing Gristle and other weird post-punk directions branching off.

80s punks are the safe version of 'punk' that you'd see on Blue Peter or in cartoons about 'people who you might see in the jobcentre', or as villains in beat-em-up arcade games. Part of the reduction of punk, from a radical break, to just another 'generation' in a comfortable 'history of British popular culture' where culture morphs gently, organically, from teds to mods to hippies to punks to new romantics.

Also, re: that anarchy symbol on the back of the jacket, and that ACAB tattoo: it's a stupid performance of 'the political', which signs off the death of The Political proper.

But then Old Mods really means old 90s mods, too. Boooooooring.

I.E. I'm placing a lot (probably too much) on the idea that 77-80 era punk, in its moment, is actually the punk that's still fucked up and weird, whereas 80s punk, which in many ways is more actually radically left wing, at least on paper, is actually the commodified form

Not an old 90s mod

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You might've picked a better example than Throbbing Gristle to make your point with since they were only active from 76-81, you might as well say I don't trust someone who decided to listen to any punk music at all when there was Throbbing Gristle to listen to. Or in fact why listen to any other music ever if there's Throbbing Gristle to listen to.

If the kids bought United...

A+

vg+

He's a gag machine, somebody should be paying him for this material

Steve Ignorant, lifeboat man:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23851982

Crass were themselves one of the weird postpunk directions branching off, fwiw & imo

yeah fair enough, this thread just seemed a felcitious place to put that link

Steve Ignorant was at the forefront of the anarchist movement, taking part in direct action...

But now his life has taken a rather different turn...

As he takes part in voluntary action within the community he lives in.

GREAT WRITING

http://www.theargus.co.uk/resources/images/2629589.jpg

Which band was he in, the Hammersmith Gorillas?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ef/Caughtbythefuzz.jpg/220px-Caughtbythefuzz.jpg

clicked on thread to type, essentially, this:

The thing about ageing punk dudes is that they know they look ridiculous whereas ageing mod dudes actually think they dress well.

Well that's because they often do dress well, it's their hairstyles that are real problem

http://i1.cdnds.net/13/34/618x525/uktv-what-remains-len-harper-2.jpg

^ think this look actually suits this guy

sorry mods don't dress well

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48409000/jpg/_48409350_alan_johnson304.jpg

I like the mod look and scooters its the fact none of them listen to soul music and only like either weller/ocs/the jam or secret affair/merton parkas type stuff that annoys me.
Weller used to carry off the hairstyle great but none of his fans ever did.
The 2 old 80s punks who lived in hamilton . who i used to say pushing their wean in a buggy sadly got rid of the haircuts a decade ago. They just look normal now.

oh and the liam gallagher lookalike oasis/ocs fans can fuck right off

sorry mods don't dress well

OK, you're right

http://slamxhype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Paul_Weller_in_1986_31632s.jpg?0a2ff8

mods think they look cool punks think they look awesome they're all idiots for thinking that dressing up is for adults

THANK YOU

look i know i hate fun but you can love fun a little too much just sayin

i love fun but i have a long list of what isn't fun

i love fun but we can't live together without fighting

I love fun but if I never hear 'we are young' again...

I love fun but fun doesn't love me...

T/S: Aging Mod Dudes vs Aging Punk Dudes vs Aging 'Rock' Dudes

Rock

Gonna say mod but i wonder if mods are a big thing in England or not, I guess there are some in America but I think I've only ever met one or two and they seem to just be stylistic variants in the greater punk rock scene. Anyways for me it comes down to dressing up like you are James Bond vs. dressing up to scare your parents.

I'm not sure to this day what "mod" is but I love the music. I liked the Who in high school but back then I had no idea there were parkas and all that in the US. Told my parents I went to a mod party -- my dad still had plaid suits in the closet. Mom said, "I remember ska music!" Got sick of the parkas and that...I'm like, "you twats, my parents did that in the sixties!" I still listen to the music though. As long as it's not about being sullen, I can deal with it.

I like the Who and the Kinks. Did mods listen to the Kinks?

yes

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1397352489/bevo2.jpg

Scotland is full of guys like that nakh

And they're not mods!

I like to call them "soccer fans."

http://i.imgur.com/bfugO4h.jpg

A fan holds a portrait of the Noel and Liam Gallagher outside the Pretty Green store in Glasgow today

T/S: Aging Mod Dudes vs Aging Punk Dudes vs Aging 'Rock' Dudes vs Aging Mad(chester)Dudes

which one are you tom?

Is that Bonehead on the right?

in a very real sense, they're all Bonehead

Saw some guy at Saturday morning soccer school with this haircut, turned round to look and his 8 or 9 year old son had the same thing too :(

child abuse, is that

considering a thread for "21st Century Forms of Child Abuse"

i almost gave him and his child some fucking abuse, that's for sure

"trying to make your kids like the same music as you" - that's child abuse

coming on here telling us you happened to be playing it to yourself and they totally got into it - that's child abuse

It isn't always the case. My son loves Chief Keef and Schoolboy Q from listening to his mum's ipod. It's not like we have forced him to listen to to it. It struck a chord with him and he likes to listen to certain tracks 10 times in a row. Same for stuff from the Cars soundtrack as well, stuff that he listens to that I secretly love like Sheryl Crow. I know what you are driving at though.

Would be better for them if my kids did like the same music as me tbh, cos short of me winning the lottery, the only thing they're likely to inherit when I die is a couple of carboot's worth of shite old records. I've even got some Jam ones too, maybe I should get them both Paul Weller haircuts after all, just in preparation for the day I pop my loafers.

"trying to make your kids like the same music as you" - that's child abuse

coming on here telling us you happened to be playing it to yourself and they totally got into it - that's child abuse

What if they liked it more than I did?

http://img.youtube.com/vi/TqqdO7pwl30/0.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvFnVdYMkxk

can't think of any TV ads featuring aging punk dudes, at least not as audience identification figure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXQ4348sPGk

Well spotted.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/08/article-2230098-15EC11CB000005DC-338_634x827.jpg

think i know that guy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cbl7VXQUUAEe2Mi.jpg:large

joe pesci's ageing surprisingly well

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There's a 70-something year old guy who I sometimes see waiting at the bus stop who looks like he might have been an original 1960s mod. Although maybe I'm just assuming that on the basis of him wearing a matching waistcoat with his suit.

xp. pal of mine moved to manchester and a couple of years later got one of those haircuts. i asked him if it he asked especially or is this just something they do there when you ask for a short back and sides but he was a little cagey and opaque with his response

pretty sure it's some sort of barbers' conspiracy to perpetuate this whole culture, there's surely a place in every town that's got its black & white photos of steve mcqueen and its table full of shite men's magazines and some wizened old git behind the chair in his button-down shirt and his harrington just waiting to give you the best rick witter of yer life

there are a million of these places in brighton, but i think this is my local favourite:

https://s28.postimg.org/q0ig2e2fh/20151108_111934.jpg

it is just called 'hair' btw afaicmo

disliked the red white and blue decal ever since i first laid eyes on it (= making airfix planes as a nipper, long before i heard of the who) and still do

not sure why: tho it occurs to me my mild trypophobia can't help

(i also always disliked the union jack, colours and design, long before politics came into it)

https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/3372/33720982_sa.jpg;maxHeight=550;maxWidth=642

ha! A+ work there Soref. I heard Freeman talking about this project and was wondering about what kind of fucking numpt still self-identifies as a Mod whilst going into their late 40's.

Late 40s? Pretty young for a mod.

Some of the ageing Mod people I used to see at football matches often look even more tragic, but with added menace. Anyway another day of Modding about in a Fred Perry top.. hey! what do you mean scruffy balding twats can't be mods!

i should have called this thread "millions now living will never get their hair cut"

I wonder who would buy that record.

I thought that was Will Self for a minute

Sir Bradley Wiggins might buy that album, and then complain about the music not sounding like Weller.

(xps) Martin Freeman stars in the movie to launch the Jerry Anderson Cinematic Universe: 'Joe 90'...

In late 2010, Piller began to host a regular podcast called "The Modcast". This monthly podcast is co-hosted with Acid Jazz Records A&R man Dean Rudland, and features discussions about "all things Mod and beyond" including the influence of mod subculture on fashion, television and sport with guests such as musicians Steve Cradock, P.P. Arnold and Rhoda Dakar, the actor Martin Freeman and Olympic medal winning cyclist Sir Bradley Wiggins.

Sir Modley Wiggins.

Sir Cheatley Druggins morelike innit?

i don't mind so much when they're into the soulier more intersting end of the sound rather than dadrock but still could these Faces be any more Po?

I wouldn't doubt there might be some decent tunes on there. But I have much more respect for Bronies than these absurd fools.

I confess I do like mod clothes though!

I'm sure lots of good clothes could be deemed "Mod". But the whole po-faced package as presented here is bad!

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMozUI76zvk

Paul Weller’s Birthday.

The thing I admire about him most is how he keeps reinventing himself a bit like that there Madonna.#paulweller pic.twitter.com/RBlWvYgJ1m

— Keri Warbis (@KeriWarbis) May 25, 2019

I can't wait to see him wearing cones on his tits.

disliked the red white and blue decal ever since i first laid eyes on it (= making airfix planes as a nipper, long before i heard of the who) and still do

not sure why: tho it occurs to me my mild trypophobia can't help

(i also always disliked the union jack, colours and design, long before politics came into it)

― mark s, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:24 PM (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

full disclosure on this ^^^preening and pious post: making airfix planes as a nipper i *did* rather like the iron cross so

http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/10343/Freightdog%20Decals/PGS72004.jpg

a timely revival as I'm going to see the Varukers on their 40th anniversary tour tonight

that bloke off the Legal & General ad is from a band called the Phobics (who I don't know) but has also been singing for the Snivelling Shits recently (who I do know)

rip giovanni dadomo

What about us dudes that are just plain old aging?

Bradley Wiggins’ “My Culture Fix” in The Times did not go well. pic.twitter.com/lokEXqsENy

— Neil Forsyth (@mrneilforsyth) May 25, 2019

I never quite nailed what i wanted on the initial blurb here, really it just needed to be a "subcultures preserved in aspic and why?" kinda title

finds television "quite vacuous" apart from First Dates, which sounds like some good middlebrow action for a leg-pumping fool on a push iron.

yes sorry NV i was being quote lazy appending that tweet here

No the Wiggins is closer to one of my initial impulses, it made me realise this was done better in the OG interior life of Nole Gallagher thread, of which that Wiggins piece is the vertiginous real life counterpart

I have a lot of love for many aging goths

People as individuals are always better than our straw figures of them but it's interesting how some people seem to want to externalize their affiliations more than others. And like 90 percent of threads this started off as self-psychoanalysis as much as anything.

Yeah I feel ya, I think I’m just sort of envious of people entrenched in subcultures like that*.. it sucks when a perfect vintage look is ruined by pulling outta cellphone.

*no doubt a romanticized vision of belonging... still love fashion and things

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02554/Alan-Johnson_2554079b.jpg

he recently said on the wireless it was his bestselling coming of age memoir that was his greatest legacy, he really underrates himself as a style icon though.

Still got his hair so it would be hilarious if he went for the Weller cut - but then he's an original mod and not a saddo Jam fan so unlikely.

70 yr old bloke with a Wellender is a pretty classy look, lol he's only 8 years older than Weller so should go for it.

Who is this person?

Also:

Aging Mick Jones Actually Lost In Supermarket

LONDON — Mick Jones, founding member and former guitarist/singer for the classic punk band the Clash, grew confused yesterday while shopping at a Tesco supermarket and could not decide if he should stick around or head for the exit, market security confirmed.

“I almost called for help — this old codger kept pacing, mumbling that he ‘came in here for the special offer.’ His cart was filled with coupons for tea, though, so I figured he knew what he was doing,” said Tesco produce and fish-and-chips specialist Jennifer Bronson. “I see a lot of geezers like him come in and wander the aisles aimlessly. Normally, it’s not a big deal — it gets them out of the house. But he was spooked by all the people coming up and taking pictures of him.”

former postman + home secretary and self styled ace-face, the most august Alan Johnson - he's basically a total dickhead.

(xp) Funnily enough, one of the few times, after I first moved to London, when I was excited to see a celebrity in the flesh was when I saw Mick Jones in an M&S Food shop and, I must admit, I did kinda follow him around for a few minutes.

When me and my girl were at the Velvet Underground gig, we were trying to get ice lollies out of the vending machines at the back of the hall. We succeeded, and turned back to watch the band, and right there was Mick Jones and some of his friends. Man, he was thin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqG8em2Qss

There's a guy in his 40s who's regularly on my bus to and from work who convincingly wears the Ben Sherman shirt / jeans / work boots / parka combo. I think a lot of that is because he has a buzzcut rather than a Wellend or similar hairstyle. Although today he was wearing a Liam bucket hat, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that this was entirely for practically as it was very sunny and hot today. And I could hardly criticise his choice of headgear as I was wearing what my work colleagues refer to as a 'fishing hat' ie a repeatedly folded/crumpled up and sweated through khaki number from M&S.

practicality

aging goths >= aging punks > > > > > aging mods (throw them in the Thames)

Just remembered, I was on the bus home last week when I saw Alan Johnson walking up Caledonian Road, shopping in hand, wearing one of those stupid big mod parkas.

what a detestable old dickhead. If you are ever looking to buy an ironic gift for someone you really hate, send them one of his awful memoirs of being a really despicable postman who unfortunately didn't die of diphtheria in the 50s

Lol

Aging Scab Dudes

Aging mod reporting for duty but frequently now undercover except for soulie weekender parka excursions.

Idk I was always shy about claiming a subculture label when I was of the age to be in it. Now in retrospect it seems silly but I always felt like there was a purity test that I would fail etc.

Some part of me will always be a metalhead. (It really comes out when I’m in the presence of jazz dudes.)

old punks never die, we just stand in the back

That LA Punk segment on that show John Mulaney did for Netflix was pretty great cross look at aging punks in one room. Worth searching out if you have not seen it before.

it's been fun to see multi-generational families at all-ages shows and events... grandpa punk, 30 year old punk, and the 11 year old granddaughter punk, all together.. like at a Linda Linda's show or something

yeah I love that

Are mod parkas bad? I always sorta liked them. The army green fishtail ones.

They look kinda stupid if you're 74.

they are mainly bad when an absolutely detestable ex-New Labour politician like Alan Johnson wears one, but I wouldn't judge any average citizen for wearing one in the same harsh way. But also, yeah, it's worth noting that old septuagenarian fuckwits pretending to be jimmy from quadrephenia is kind of fucking ridiculous tbh!

the punk and the great-grandfather ;)

From roughly 1974 to 1984 my cold weather coat was an army surplus parka. It was cheap at the local army surplus store and indestructible. I tried to home-dye it black, but it just turned a murkier shade of olive green. After I married my wife made me give it to charity. It was never remotely stylish, whether as 'mod' or otherwise.

to me that is a classic punk look!

the failed home-dye being key to the aesthetic ofc

I have a highly customized one with scooter club patches etc on it so I am definitely part of the problem! I took it from an ex who was leaving the country which means I never had to see him again and he couldn't ask for his parka back.

IMO the skin/suedehead look is not a bad way for (aging) men to stay relatively stylish into their middle years, but a pink mohawk at 56 is pretty fucking silly looking.. but whatever brings you joy

"I have a highly customized one with scooter club patches etc on it"

As mentioned passim I passed my motorcycle test earlier in the year, and I actually owned a scooter for a while. Which got me to thinking about Mod fashion. I assume that actual 1960s Mods wore military surplus jackets because they were cheap, not because they were particularly good as safety gear - they don't have any padding and there's no space for armoured pads. So the Mod look is basically a side-effect of poverty. And then it was copied and formalised until it became a style. In the same way that a few casual comments from a carpenter two thousand years ago became Christianity.

Which also got me to wondering about the modern equivalent of an actual OG 1960s mod. Not an imitation mod, but the original thing. E.g. a mobile but not particularly well-off hipster. Presumably he or she would wear the cheapest safety jacket they could get from Amazon, except that in the UK at least they wouldn't need it, because they wouldn't be riding a petrol scooter. They would be riding an electric stand-up scooter, so a military jacket actually would be a decent choice. The modern Mod would be a takeaway delivery driver with superior taste.

This suggests that the whole petrol-scooter-riding mod subculture is one of those things that made organic sense at the time but doesn't make any sense whatsoever today. And punk isn't quite the same, because I have the impression that the punk subculture generally wasn't too hot on motorbikes. Or at least it's not something The Clash or The Sex Pistols particularly showcased in their music. I've always associated biking with 1970s pub rock and pub-rock-esque bands such as The Stranglers rather than punks, who were either too uncoordinated to ride a motorbike, or too young, or too poor.

For the record I wear a Bellstaff copy, so I probably look like the writer pictured towards the bottom of this article, minus the binoculars:
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2024/dec/19/goodbye-to-old-town-beloved-utility-inspired-norfolk-clothing-company

I feel sorry for that chap because he's obviously going to put on a lot of weight later on in life.

Aging metal dudes want in on this thread

There was a discussion on one of the guitar subreddits about how boomer Tone Lawyers were being superseded by Tonegazers with five-figure pedal boards worth more than a car. Holy fuck did I feel seen.

lol

several podcasts I listen to have nailed the aesthetic evolution I’ve seen in a lot of North American late gen x’ers —rockabilly is the punk retirement plan

[I assume that actual 1960s Mods wore military surplus jackets because they were cheap, not because they were particularly good as safety gear]

My understanding is they were widely available from US GIs and/or military surplus suppliers, and they weren't safety gear as much as all-weather gear, with the fishtails and longer hems helping to protect the new Continental fashions from rain and mud (which the scooter's knee shields also protected against as compared to bicycles and motorcycles).

Rockabilly has been the skinhead retirement plan for at least several decades lol

I've mentioned before a cartoon I find impossible to search now but it's an image of an aging punk standing in front of two escalators, one labeled "Rockabilly" and the other labeled "Jazz".

ha yes but u forgot the detail that the rockabilly one goes down to hell, and the jazz one goes up to heaven

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtcPY32gjYCdQ9_jjGSnxs8fXG_RmV6nl5ZA&s

and they weren't safety gear as much as all-weather gear

Yeah, that's my understanding as well... keeping the threads clean on the scooter ride to the club, and staying warm in the drizzle

those are actually the flames from a hot rod, possibly driven by rat fink