Should ILX Have an "I Love Football" Board?

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=69

I don't care and I do like football

Yes! as i don't like football

See the poll options are clearly inadequate

I love polls where "I don't care" is an option.

As opposed to, y'know, just not voting. I care so much I want to tell you (anonymously!) that I don't care!

thats ilx for you.

yes to get this nonsense off ile no for the lols

No.

Yes.

An I Love Football would be like an I Love Politics, you just know it would have less participation than it does on ILE. Who cares how many threads there are at any one time?

On the other hand it might really take off like The Church.

^^^ legally obliged to do that zing

No - but if we must, move only the minor threads there and keep the Premiership one on ILE.

Let I Love Film be a cautionary lesson here - dozens of film threads thriving on ILE and that board totally ignored.. Even I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX, I Love Hoops and ILNFL look pretty threadbare most of the time. Keep it in the ILX mainstream.

BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD superiority complex, yo

xpost

In ILNFL's defense, we don't start many threads, the each one of them is MONUMENTAL.

the=but

Ha - I did think of you ailsa, honest, but representing you, dan, wbs and all the cups would've made for one unwieldy post!

I think yes, with except with the big ones staying here. Y'know, SPL and dunno what else. The foreign leagues and other discussion could benefit from not disappearing from sight so quickly.

to be fair, the ilnfl thread today has literally 7x the amount of reads as any other thread today

i voted i don't care

ILNFL = all killer, no filler imo. We may be small but we're scrappy

same with ilh

If you only have a small number of threads that are all monsters, why is another board even necessary?

(Not hating on ILNFL at all btw)

don't 'get' all these sub-boards, thought 'everything' was suitably comprehensive

And nary a clusterfuck thread too, might I add. :D

ILNFL I mean

^try repping for RBIs on i love baseball

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I don't care and I do like football

^

i love baseball is really the only board that would clog up ile if it was let out -- nfl & hoops use rolling threads

i like having separate boards myself but feel like this should be left up to the soccer folks

I've got all the current season ones bookmarked anyway (plus soccerball gifs, english football introspective handwringing thread etc), so don't care, tbh. But this poorly constructed poll doesn't have an option for me.

MattDC, I can see an argument that I Love Soccerball would allow some other threads other than the well-followed behemoths, but I don't know if it would happen or if anyone would care.

don't 'get' all these sub-boards, thought 'everything' was suitably comprehensive

― former moderator, please give generously (DG), Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:32 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

If they work they're great. I Love Comics was fantastic three or four years ago, for example. A smallish group of funny, enthusiastic posters.

don't really care here, i'm not much of a soccer fan and i rarely click on ILE anymore anyway, if i want to look at an index of threads about 'everything' i use site new answers. which is gonna give me the football threads regardless of where they are.

but i will say that the ability to make junky random threads about baseball and to have separate threads for each ballclub works great in ILBB, i probably would participate less if baseball was confined to a few rolling threads on ILE

My absolute bottom line - do NOT call it 'I Love Soccerball'. That would be twee.

Actually, I have just looked at ILNFL and ILHoops and ILBaseball for the first time ever and yeah, I like, even though the thread titles mean nothing to me.

(I do not want it to be called I Love Soccerball, btw)

Nah, I Love Pipecocks wd be better

yes, and all football threads to go in there. so that when it's the only board i tick on SNA i'm not missing out

If this board wants the A-League thread, it will need to pay COGH a transfer fee. (That's a football joke, son!)

But this poorly constructed poll doesn't have an option for me.
― ailsa

well a mod can lock this one and you can start a proper poll with all the right options, it's fine by me.

i would also like to state that this poll does not have my preferred personal choice fwiw

Newsflash: Poll is not going to influence anything, btw. Consider my abstention to be a "don't care because I don't care".

If we had an 'I'm Kind of Indifferent About Football' board, I would probably participate a couple of times or maybe even three.

no. why? it's not like anyone else on ile gives a toss about clogging it up with bollocks.

ile really isn't even clogged up w/ soccer thread either... it's like, what, four threads?

im not one of those complaining it clogs up ile btw.

I've got 16 football-related threads bookmarked at the moment. I suspect having a sub-board would mean more rather than keeping them most discussion in the rolling threads.

Funny how no one ever complains about there being too many film threads on ILE.

Still think we need a 'hide thread' option but that's a different thing.

im not complaining! I just liked the idea of a board of our own, thats all.

Still think we need a 'hide thread' option but that's a different thing.

if every thread was given a category like in the old days, that could be done i guess?

should there be an I love Football?

Good luck finding someone to categorise every old thread!

My biggest fear would be that ILF would ghettoise football talk a bit and there would be reduced participation leading to every thread turning into stale banter between the same four or five people.

which is what you complain about on the football thread anyway tbf!

stale banter between the same four or five people.

Just like the SPL thread then. We've made a successful model of this for about five or six years now.

think the football peeps should take it to iltmi

Still think we need a 'hide thread' option but that's a different thing.

^^

cosign, thirded, whatever.

If part of it is "I want to start more esoteric threads about football, but I don't want to clog the board up with 20 football threads a day" then you're basically no better than a politically correct local council refusing to put up Christmas trees in case it offends Muslims.

We could probably use an "I love polls" before "I love football"

tend to think not, just about

however if there is one, it has to be called i love football (and i'm probably one of the very few who read ~football~ threads and ilnfl)

think that everyone needs to concede that yr own personal belief in 'i love football' or otherwise doesn't in any way change the fact that it should exist i have read a book on this btw

can we have an i love conjuring animal spirits board

only if it's called 'i love soccer'

deal

thread of 'random football formations' is proof that general shit-shooting footy threads can exist happily on ILE, fwiw- even though I support separate board.

xp there can be no mention of the 's' word

i'd go for 'i love footie'

i love footsies

I Love (Real) Football

My biggest fear would be that ILF would ghettoise football talk a bit and there would be reduced participation leading to every thread turning into stale banter between the same four or five people.

― Matt DC, Sunday, September 19, 2010 6:31 PM (1 hour ago)

no this is a good thing - by ghettoizing the topic you draw the real heads in and provide a disincentive for people who don't know what they're talking about - this leads to better discussion and way better/funnier threads

it would obviously have to be called i love soccer, that's a given

I Love Foosball

http://images5.cpcache.com/product/30043635v1_480x480_Front_Color-White.jpg

I Hate Dogs

I Love (Real) Football

If you want people trolling your board non-stop, I say go for it.

think u just got trolled

johnny fever pitch

let's just call this board I LOVE FLOPPING amirite

or diving is it

innit*

^ getting there, getting there

I Love Football and think it should stay on ILE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Juan_Manuel_Mata_Garc%C3%ADa.jpg

I also think that the football player ROBIN VAN PERSIE is massively overrated and annoying.

xp

start a thread

He's not even worth a thread

but yr feelings about him are, surely!

Should be "I Love Futbol" Imho.

i'd go for 'i love footie'

This must never happen

"football" is nowhere near as popular globally as cricket or australian rules football, guys

I also think that the football player ROBIN VAN PERSIE is massively overrated and annoying.

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― Cox's Muffin syndrome (admrl), Monday, 20 September 2010 03:11 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in a worldleague where torres and rooney exist i say gtfo.

voted 'i only click sna or use my bookmarks anyway and don't get caught up in this outdated system'.

that said i've been thinking of turning the church into my own one stop religious wengerball palace

can i just say as a keen cyclist i was originally on the fence about iltrmb but it has brought me nothing but unalloyed joy and gratification.

as for ilg, its benefits and delights are without measure.

my sarcasm meter is just flying wildly from one extreme to the other, tbh

i am 100% genuine, mr sincere, i cannot tell a lie.

honestly

no really tho, iltrmb and ilg are a+++

I would love there to be an "I Love Football" board so I can banish all football threads to the same limbo that Cricket, NFL, basketball, bicycles, videogames and other people's children languish in. I think this would be a brilliant move.

The only slight caveat I have is that the problem is, even though unfollowed boards are bannished from Site New Answers, they still turn up on Blog View. This isn't really a problem with NFL and baseball threads as they don't tend to be active at the time I'm at work and reading blog view, but if there are suddenly 500 football threads in Blog View, that would be irritating.

However, I think it would be a minor request to make site Blog View mirror the Site New Answers filter? That would make everything just perfect. Obviously, if that's a massive programming hassle, then never mind. But it would be nice.

xp ok you owe me for a new sarcasm meter now

struggling to figure out how to be +ve about iltrmb and ilg without sounding sarcastic.

^ maybe that will do it.

I still have no idea why anyone would want to use Blog View.

It means that you can keep an eye on threads you're not actively following without having to click on them and get that annoying little hollow bullet you can't reset. Also it gives you an idea if threads whose title is confusing or misleading are actually about something you want to read, or if a previously boring thread has mutated into something interesting.

Mostly, it just enables you to look at a whole series of recently updated threads and see what's going on, without clicking every single thread and reading them.

Hence, it's really good for work, when you want a quick hit of "what's going on in ILX" in a short enough capsule to do before the next chunk of work.

i don't care about where football is on ilx, but a real-world equivalent of a sub-board for it would be MUCH APPRECIATED

i'd go for 'i love footie'

― sonderangerbot, Monday, 20 September 2010 00:27 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

better yet why not 'I Love Footer' and everyone has to post exclusively in the style of Hunter Davies

'i love footsie' TMI collaboration

no this is a good thing - by ghettoizing the topic you draw the real heads in and provide a disincentive for people who don't know what they're talking about - this leads to better discussion and way better/funnier threads

― france bans luriqua (k3vin k.), Monday, September 20, 2010 1:30 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah this totally works for _____________ (zing!)

non-affiliated, but if ILE isn't football-averse then why hold off on this kind of thing

Greatest goal ever

just do more football threads on ile in you want

the difference w/ ilg for instance is that there are loads of threads for games in development that might occasionally or sporadically get new posts, whereas football threads are either for a season or just random

*if* you want

just do more football threads on ile if you want

FUCK NO. ILE already has more than enough football threads. It's just about tolerable when it's one rolling thread but if there were half a dozen in new answers, it would be really annoying and intrusive. Like when New Answers gets swamped by 16 different THE ILX TOURNAMENT OF CHEESE or whatever threads all at once.

well it's one or the other tbh, more on ILE or a dedicated board.

I have already stated my preference for a dedicated board.

this is exactly why you should do more football threads on ile

the difference w/ ilg for instance is that there are loads of threads for games in development that might occasionally or sporadically get new posts, whereas football threads are either for a season or just random

So, what's the difference w/ ILBaseball for instance?

football is good

FUCK NO. ILE already has more than enough football threads. It's just about tolerable when it's one rolling thread but if there were half a dozen in new answers, it would be really annoying and intrusive. Like when New Answers gets swamped by 16 different THE ILX TOURNAMENT OF CHEESE or whatever threads all at once.

Not really your position alone to dictate things like this. It's also why Hide Thread is a better option than constantly starting new boards to hive off everything that might ever possibly annoy someone. You don't have to click on the threads.

It's just about tolerable when it's one rolling thread

that's big of you, considering you probably have to scroll down an extra line sometimes

Not really your position alone to dictate things like this

well tbf to kate we're all just throwing round opinions on this, folks?

this is exactly why you should do more football threads on ile

Did you ever think to consider that perhaps retorts/attitudes like this are part of the reason that people who hate football REALLY hate and loathe football, rather than just hate and ignore it?

Imagine how some of you would react if there wasn't just the occasional single clusterfuck thread about religion/atheism, but about a dozen threads about various aspects of obscure theology hovering constantly at the top of new answers?

Obviously, this doesn't happen (and there is actually a supposed dedicated board for religion) but this is why some people would rather have a separate board the same as all the other sports do. Because not everyone is interested in it, and the cultural domination of sport is really objectionable to some people.

But you are probably just trolling and I have probably just taken the bait, but my point still stands.

Not really your position alone to dictate things like this

well tbf to kate we're all just throwing round opinions on this, folks?

Exactly. Someone did ask the question, it's completely justified for me to reply to it.

voted yes so i don't have to deal with the idiocy that is ILE ever again

Because not everyone is interested in it, and the cultural domination of sport is really objectionable to some people.

these aren't reasons for fewer football threads, but i agree about a dedicated board to avoid clogging ILE with too many similar threads

I probably just wouldn't click on them, rather than getting all irate and self-righteous about it.

Did you ever think to consider that perhaps retorts/attitudes like this are part of the reason that people who hate football REALLY hate and loathe football, rather than just hate and ignore it?

don't rly give a fuck that you have a few extra threads on SNA that you don't have to click on

there aren't rly a surfeit of 10 reply football threads being posted every day

changed my mind, ilx should have an 'i love clusterfucks' board as a priority, we'll deal with football at a later date.

Well, "I love football" board would have, potentially:

1) dedicated threads for each team,
2) general discussion points, rolling "what's happening" stuff, you know,
3) individual news items, "Lol Gazza", roonie, etcet

What's not to love about that, football dudes?

exactly^

not for a second advocating moving the bigger and more popular threads from ILE fwiw, those monsters can co-exist happily with a smaller and more, eh, 'annoying' board

I have noticed that sub-forums for specific topics have fared a lot better since the introduction of Site New Answers and being able to edit what boards are displayed.

Sub-forums introduced after this distinction have thrived in a way that ones like I Love Film didn't have much of a chance to.

If you are using SNA, it doesn't really seem to change your experience of the board much at all, positively or negatively (in fact, if anything, it would seem to affect it positively if a subforum meant you could have more threads and more discussion) - and yet it has the effect of enabling other people to *definitely* have a more positive experience of ILX by being able to filter more effectively.

I simply do not understand why there is such an objection to this idea. It's no weirder or more inconvenient than having "I Love Music" at this point.

My fear is the same as Matt's I think - that we'd lose random interjections and end up talking only to ourselves. There are worse fates I guess (see: every other footy forum I've ever seen) but it'd at best make it less interesting; at worst, I don't know, fail to attractnew blood and dwindle towards in-jokes.

At the very least keep the big rolling threads here, I say.

Works both ways btw - just reading a footy board would mean missing out on a whole load of random ILE cal.

New boards seem to be shown in SNA by default - you have to actively turn them off in order to get them not to show. So I really don't think you'd be losing any randomers unless they had deliberately chosen not to see football threads.

I don't know how anyone else navigates the site

kate, you had a role in starting iltmi; are you really whinging about site new answers being shitted up with threads you don't want to read?

if we do have a footer board call we call it i love feminism

ilx isn't rly about football, in some respects its presence is anomalous cuz inane football challops is the lowest entropic level of human discourse

ilx brings enough meta to make it interesting tho

i'd rather that it remained in the miscellaneous continuum of ile, and i'd cite i love film as precedent...whilst you ~can~ isolate discussion about film, it creates an unecessary schism between ppl who like inception and ppl awaiting the new straub-huillet retrospective

there were many neophytes/idle viewers in the world cup thread who were nonetheless ~valued contributors~ and i don't know that would be a case in a subforum

nb i'm not ~that~ concerned, and there are some benefits to having a separate forum

who *does* want it to be a subboard?

will prolly make mind up on that basis

The reason that I *wanted* to start ILTMI in the first place was to take "objectionable" personal or sexual content off the main board into a subforum that people could choose to view or not.

I recognise that not everyone enjoys reading about sexual or personal relationship oriented subjects. (I actually have ILTMI turned off SNA because I don't want those topics coming up when I'm not at work.) Not everyone on this site is interested in reading about Music or Cricket. I don't see why Football cannot be treated in the same way.

You can have a football forum with a 100 new threads a day, and talk about it as much as you like, while others can choose to turn it off, and not be regailed with football threads the same way that some people don't enjoy reading, say, threads about blowjobs or threesomes.

Should be (I actually have ILTMI turned off SNA because I don't want those topics coming up when I'm not at work.)

who *does* want it to be a subboard?

will prolly make mind up on that basis

― paying AFFECTIONATE homage to his somewhat exaggerated teeth (history mayne)

darragh, k8, some belgians maybe?

ah, and herman g neuname

a solid no from me, then

kate, you had a role in starting iltmi; are you really whinging about site new answers being shitted up with threads you don't want to read?

― paying AFFECTIONATE homage to his somewhat exaggerated teeth (history mayne), Monday, 20 September 2010 13:42 (15 minutes ago)

thankfully there is always

I Want to Change the Boards Shown on Site New Answers...

i don't wanna invoke the ghost of dom but i'm sure he'd want this

that's a special case tho xp, and not a justification for endless balkanized subforums

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WHAT THE FUCK

"i'd miss random interjections from ILE'rs that clicked on the wrong thread by mistake but read on and loved it and posted a comment"

seriously is that it? because who tf otherwise wouldn't be able to go into ILFootball and browse and contribute at will? it's how i use other subboards where there's still topics that interest me tho they're not obsessions or anything.

never cross the 47th parallel

(unless you need to c&p some sick thread titles)

this all got a bit heated, i'm kinda sorry now that i'm out front pushing for it. i still don't see why not, i think the arguments for are stronger than those against but yknow whatever ile football threads are still better than 90% the rest of what i read so it's all love etc

darragh, k8, some belgians maybe?
Me too, and I'm not Belgian.

Not everyone on this site is interested in reading about Music or Cricket. I don't see why Football cannot be treated in the same way.

But the logical extension of this is that all discussion about, y'know, actual things that exist, get hived off into their own forums and ILE is just full of This Is The Thread Where I Stay style chatz. No one's interested in everything, I don't like endless discussion of use of the N word, or lame British reality TV shows, but I'm not advocating splitting those off into their own forums.

i can definitely see that POV too

Well, not all of those subjects are big enough to be able to hold their own board.

'I Love Belgians' ftw

isn't that called De Subjectivisten

slippery slope argument there, matt. not good.

Maybe we should have an I Love Television? There are more TV threads on here than anything else and it would save those people who choose not to own a TV from being confronted by its all-pervasive influence via the tyranny of being forced to skim over a few blue lines on a monitor.

well I *have* been going on about how great Belgian footy is recently

'safe' thread for footy fans tired of being pilloried by the rest of ile tbh

xxp but no-one's arguing for an ILT! think you should stick to arguing the merits or otherwise of this one particular scenario.

Right, so it basically comes down to:

Some football fans violently opposed to being 'shunted off' to the sidings of another board.

Vs

some people who think it'd be nice for them, plus some people who don't want football threads on ILE.

right?

What the fuck is a fucking premiership anyway. Give 'em the boot, imo.

on the former side, some people feel that we are denying football thread participation to the casual ILE'rs also, i think

Cricket, Baseball, and Hoops.

Vs

Football.

Basically, it's not got its own board because it hasn't got one already?

well, yes. i feel that's the case at this stage.

i mean, the argument that those boards aren't working isn't borne out by the references i pick up from other threads about them tbh

Ledge - the merits or otherwise of this particular scenario aren't much different from the hypothetical I Love TV from what I can tell. I'm just a bit of a hippy when it comes to ILE really, I liked the days when it genuinely was all-inclusive and didn't have other potentially interesting discussions hived off just because a handful of people don't want them there.

It's the difference between having something on BBC1 where it might get loads of viewers and having it on a minor digital channel where only people or are actively looking for it will see it.

Also when the big events like the World Cup roll around people will still end up talking about them on ILE anyway.

Maybe once upon a time a big ILM-sized I Love Sport would have worked, but we're probably about seven or eight years too late for that.

Also when the big events like the World Cup roll around people will still end up talking about them on ILE anyway.

That's an argument for from the POV you are coming from though!?

I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX has done wonders for the appreciation of cricket on ilx it's true

I liked the days when it genuinely was all-inclusive

Sure, but it's a bigger place now, isn't it?

I dont' think the Superbowl gets discussed on ILE.

I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX has done wonders for the appreciation of cricket on ilx it's true

― jabba hands, Monday, 20 September 2010 14:49 (1 minute ago)

but this is true

i appreciate it being out of sight

I think ILX is smaller in terms of number of posters than it was around 2004-05, pre-compulsory registration.

hang on, did someone upthread mention a HIDE THREAD option? how does one actually do this? that would be a+.

HIDE THREAD would be the perfect compromise IMO.

oh it doesn't exist yet, oh well

do you not use site new answers, matt?

there is a hide board option apparently

actually i think there's way more need for an I LOVE TV board, ile actually does seem cluttered with tv threads in a way i've never noticed w/football (and i hate football, so y'know). plus, football stays on ile => i get to continue to argue why it and other team sports are all inferior to individual sports.

HIDE THREAD would be an OK compromise IF it also hid the thread from Blog View.

Because for all your "OMG how inconvenienced are you by having to skip one little line of text" is quite different when you're not talking about one line but massive chunks of text.

I'd be happy with HIDE THREAD and an improved blog view that includes filtering.

But all of these things are suggestions for new ILX features which require additional programming, while "new board" is an already available and easy to implement with minimal fuss option.

I'm not concerned about anyone complaining about football threads clogging up ILX, to be clear- it's a POV but fuckem from where I'm posting.

I'm more bothered that the huuuuge main premier league/euro football threads are rendered unmanageable and unfriendly to use by sam and lj and myself and whoever else feels like it posting fantasy formations for two hours straight or the irritation shown by many 'older' posters (like yourself, matt, and prob rtc and a few others) whenever shit gets sidetracked.

that's not a complaint against ye- i understand that stuff pisses you off a little and we should all just post the scores at 5.30 on a sat and fuck off, but i find it strange that the same subset of footy posters are against a separate board to shoot that kind of shit all day if it's what enough regular contributors want.

seperate threads is in-your-face for SNA/ILE, imo, and i can see the argument against it, as i've said. while not giving a fuck really, if it's the other option.

Because for all your "OMG how inconvenienced are you by having to skip one little line of text" is quite different when you're not talking about one line but massive chunks of text.

This is why I don't understand why you use Blog View, surely it necessarily gives you bits of every single thread, regardless of whether or not you're remotely interested in it? That would drive me mad.

I worry that with an I Love TV board that people just wouldn't bother to go in, like the I Love Film board. Football fans will have no trouble seeking out the board though.

But all of these things are suggestions for new ILX features which require additional programming, while "new board" is an already available and easy to implement with minimal fuss option.

― Karen D. Tregaskin, Monday, September 20, 2010 2:55 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

given that no1 else is too bothered about how football threads clog up blog view, perhaps you could code this change yourself

I'm more bothered that the huuuuge main premier league/euro football threads are rendered unmanageable and unfriendly to use by sam and lj and myself and whoever else feels like it posting fantasy formations for two hours straight or the irritation shown by many 'older' posters (like yourself, matt, and prob rtc and a few others) whenever shit gets sidetracked.

First argument in favour that's actually worked with me fwiw.

yeah i felt like developing 'lol u cranky' out and tailoring it to the audience tbh

I actually don't mind the rapid pace of the Premiership thread even when it is mostly oneline 'lololol' nonsense but I can see how others might.

Right, so it basically comes down to:

Some football fans violently opposed to being 'shunted off' to the sidings of another board.

Vs

some people who think it'd be nice for them, plus some people who don't want football threads on ILE.

right?

― Mark G, Monday, 20 September 2010 14:44 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

fuck off

there's no consensus among ppl who read football threads that it'd 'nice for them', hence it can stay on ile

eh, hence 'some people'

ur cranky and all today tbh

i love green st

I'm not concerned about anyone complaining about football threads clogging up ILX, to be clear- it's a POV but fuckem from where I'm posting.

― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Monday, 20 September 2010 14:57 (3 minutes ago)

naturally

it's kinda fronting to want to hive off ile according some borgesian taxonomy of things yr not interested in

so yeah, no i love football, no i love prolix clusterfucks about the misuse of the n-word

it's kinda fronting to want to hive off ile according some borgesian taxonomy of things yr not interested in

SO MUCH THIS. really don't get the conceit of wanting to 'hide' swathes of ILX - just ignore it, it isn't trying to hurt you

think i misread 'some people who think it'd be nice for them' there actually

so i retract 'fuck off'

the argument remains tho

borgesian, yes, v good, but if a minority of posters are creating a lot of threads on a topic that is of no interest to the majority of posters, then that's a perfectly legit argument for a sub-board.

or if they want to create, not suggesting this is a prob right here right now for football threads on ile.

^^^

so i retract 'fuck off'

Fair enough, accepted.

really don't get the conceit of wanting to 'hide' swathes of ILX - just ignore it, it isn't trying to hurt you

it impinges usability, and the melange is always available for anyone who wants it thru SNA.

or if they want to create, not suggesting this is a prob right here right now for football threads on ile.

― ledge, Monday, September 20, 2010 2:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

tho we've a few today, i can't ever decide am i starting them/participating and the debate flares up again, or does the debate send me out in a pugnacious 'thread starting' mode.

Fair enough, accepted.

― Mark G, Monday, 20 September 2010 15:13 (2 minutes ago)

thank you, i need to read more carefully :/

it impinges usability, and the melange is always available for anyone who wants it thru SNA.

Everyone has their own opinion on what they want to hide/ignore, being the point.

Alternate course of action:

Since I'm the only mod with any interest in football from what I can see...

- Go with the result of this poll, or start one with better options
- Set up ILFootball if people vote for it
- Keep all the old/existing threads here (ie the current Premiership and foreign league threads, plus David Beckham C/D from 2002 and so forth)
- See if it sinks or swims
- If the latter then we are in magical dreamland of 'Your favourite Stig Inge Bjornebye moments, talk about them here'

the melange is always available for anyone who wants it thru SNA.

yeah, like my sna has ile, ilm, 1p3, 77, and a few others. That way I don't have to read about NFL, comic books, or other seriously niche things that I just won't ever care about. Football is a pretty serious niche.

That way I don't have to read about NFL, comic books, or other seriously niche things that I just won't ever care about.

You don't have to read about them anyway.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

y'all acting spoilt tbh

Like, Rob Liefield - is he a footballer or a comic booker? No fucking idea. Could be either way.

- re-do this poll on ILF, see who has 'hidden' it

start one with better options

this poll does not reflect any of my personal opinions etc

If the latter then we are in magical dreamland of 'Your favourite Stig Inge Bjornebye moments, talk about them here'

that's all i've ever asked!

This thread is a poll?

(looks up)

Oh yeah.

Still, no-one's banning Football-tangentially-"related" threads, right? I'd hate to miss out on the next photoshop this picture of andrei arshavin onto things thread...

Maybe I should make Darragh happy by setting I Love Football up, but unsuspecting of the sting in the tail that I've made Local Garda sole moderator with complete autonomy?

That way I don't have to read about NFL, comic books, or other seriously niche things that I just won't ever care about.

You don't have to read about them anyway.

― Matt DC, Monday, September 20, 2010 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, September 20, 2010 2:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

y'all acting spoilt tbh

― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, September 20, 2010 2:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

you guys don't like SNA?

fucking hell; some real moses at the gates of the promised land shit there matt

the ppl who like football aren't at all convinced so leave it as it is

if this poll ends up approving i love football, then 80% of that will be down to ppl who ~aren't~ interested in it

ps LG would make ILFootball an awesomely cool board, he'd be the paddy scouser tombot imo

Everyone has their own opinion on what they want to hide/ignore, being the point.

yes, and sna enables this, is this a bad thing or something?

it's an ILE issue, nakh, if you look at it another way.

I love SNA! But I also have the ability to not screech when I accidentally open a thread about pipecocking, which doesn't happen anyway because it's usually pretty obvious from the title (or sub-board)

the ile issue is the fronting from nonconcerned ppl i described earlier

yes, and sna enables this, is this a bad thing or something?

It doesn't really.

tbh whatever NV decides will be my guide on this.

the ppl who like football aren't at all convinced so leave it as it is

despite this being potentially the best thing that has ever happened to them in the history of ilx! smh.

but y'know it occurs to me i really don't give a shit, if y'all are not really interested in starting a whole lot of soccerball threads every day then w/evs.

It doesn't really

do go on...

If we're doing it on the result of a poll, it just needs to be a straight yes/no. Except I suspect the yesses will mostly come from people who actively dislike the existence of football and discussion thereof, rather than people who actual post on football threads, who seem mostly meh. Abstentions don't matter in this instance, especially when the only option for registering abstention in this poll is pretty one-sided.

some xposts

i dunno it seems like a strange contention that there's a silent majority of footy thread regulars that don't want this, but everyone else's vote somehow matters less, or is to be given a haircut to some unspecified ratio of 'these votes don't matter'

course, the votes don't matter, it's not really a poll to decide what happens but still, strange approach imo.

Except I suspect the yesses will mostly come from people who actively dislike the existence of football and discussion thereof, rather than people who actual post on football threads, who seem mostly meh.

this is why it's invalid, in a west loathian question kinda way

dmac why don't you do a straw poll of ilx football thread reglas, just y/n

ha how'd i do that?

in fact

given that the proposal would leave the regular threads where they are, i don't see why their vote should count?

you choose who gets to be in the poll, like hugo drax

btw ur v v pretty

Except I suspect the yesses will mostly come from people who actively dislike the existence of football and discussion thereof

i only want what's best for you!

Can I just say that threads about 69ing and such got WAY better after being balkanized off of ILE.

the biggest argument in favour of ILF is that intelligent football-obsessed internet users will have something more concrete to latch onto should they wish to bring content - eventually, who knows, ILF could rival WSC or w/e (while being far, far better than it the whole time, obv)

in fact

given that the proposal would leave the regular threads where they are, i don't see why their vote should count?

― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Monday, 20 September 2010 15:34 (59 seconds ago)

just start a thread w/ only y/n responses accepted

if they have any interest in football you'll recognise them i'm sure....

not a response to that question, tbh

The idea of the sort of people that a dedicated I Love Football might bring in is somewhat worrying actually, given the state of most other dedicated football forums on the internet.

^^ strong point

(or 'football threads are bad enough already!!11!' if u like)

not a response to that question, tbh

― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Monday, 20 September 2010 15:38 (37 seconds ago)

that's kinda jesuitical worrying

the constituencies for hypothetical i love football and current ile football threads will be more or less the same

the options seem to be-

keep the existing threads as is, get bollocked every coupla weeks or don't post shite.

start new threads for that shite, get bollocked by new and interesting people coming in to complain about these threads.

have a board for these threads, keep regular thread ticking over, anyone who comes in to complain about nonsense football threads on nonsense football boards can gtfo

i mean, yeah fine 'don't post shite darragh' but i feel so fukn oppressed

The idea of the sort of people that a dedicated I Love Football might bring in is somewhat worrying actually, given the state of most other dedicated football forums on the internet.

y'know that is a fairly good point- would it have a much higher google profile etc?

The idea of the sort of people that a dedicated I Love Football might bring in is somewhat worrying actually, given the state of most other dedicated football forums on the internet.

― Matt DC, Monday, 20 September 2010 15:39 (3 minutes ago)

wots a sugban 4

also board mods could ban at own discretion

either that or we could let people come and go at their own discretion and try to keep our own level high because fuck elitism

no fuck it, that's a fairly cuntish snobby poiint maybe. maybe not. i dunno. i'm not that bothered about any of this, i just disagree with the arguments against. in a jesuitical manner

just do the straw poll

if the ppl concerned want a forum let them have one, i'm not hugely invested either way

am i fuck starting an ile poll asking 'do we want a dedicated I Love Football boards to avoid football threads clogging up ILX oh and by the way it's open ballot y/n'

or, y'know, i might

I LOVE YOU ALL SO FUCKING MUCH

^ new board?

posimeta circlejerk

ok

we've now taken this thread on a tandem for lols

this is where i'm with matt tbh, stfu lj and darragh

ON A FUCKING TANDEM SWEET CHRIST

one sweet day, d
one sweet sweet day

start the new board already

DG for mod

http://www.penwith.co.uk/artofeurope/blake_ancient_of_days.jpg

jeez should maybe make to clear that i'm having nothing to do with modding this board i'm the cheerleader for? i dunno does that even need saying but y'know matt matt matt ra ra ra etc

So sorry I missed this thread. There can be I Love Football or not, whichever will draw more contributors to my conceptualized but not-yet-realized "Guadaloupe won't win the 2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup" and "Not Worth the NASL, it's the MLS 2011 Thred" threads.

Also I will need a thread to post about Chad Ochocinco's budding futbol career next year when the NFL is on strike.

^ see this guy, jibe, all the other balkan aspie lolforeignfootball guys deserve their own board(i know i've left out loads of the french/belgian ohyoureallthesametome posse)

only thing that worries me is that if there was an I Love Football board because people who hate it just wanted it off ILE, then others might want to remove indie or metal or rnb or hip-hop off ILM to their own board.

hey if this works i want saparate boards for hurling, handball and gaa, or am i being cheeky and should just settle for a single "I'm a terrible man for the aul GAA so I Am" board

xp i dunno why that'd 'worry' you though? And it sounds very unlikely, really.

why wouldn't it worry me?

ha

But they'd have to raise a quorum in favour.

Srsly, how many people who would vote for a new board would do so to remove it off ILE, in raw percentage terms?

xpost sorry, are we stil funning?

I don't like the idea of being relegated to sub-boards just because things I like to discuss noone else does/some people dislike me so lets get rid of it/him kind of thing.

i dunno, i suppose, I'd have thought you could answer for yourself better than i could but i mean, i'm not questioning it just curious.

and xp fair enough

cards ont eh table- SNA kinda makes balkanisation irrelevant to me, but each to his own and all that

otoh if people into certain genres wanted their own board, then that's different.

bit like darraghmac & I wanting a football board

like i've said again and again, it's not worth falling out with even one football regular for

the main rolling threads will always be here anyway so i dont know why anyone would be against a board with a more niche interest type of threads.

well, that really is where i stand on that one tbh

Wow. I'm not even at work today and I don't have time to keep track of this thread.

I only really support an ILF because, well, there's a board for the NBA, NFL and MLB so why shouldn't a decent sport have one as well. Happily concede that that's juvenile but so it goes.

From a practical position, I think it would encourage less directly relevant football chatter to take place away from teh main Prem season thread and I wouldn't have to load 10,000 messages just because I was out one match-packed evening in late April. A new thread every month or so would prob solve that though anyway.

where's nakh where's nakh where's nakh

straw pollin up in dis ting

xxp:

Oh my god, yes. Look at I Love Baseball: http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=53 Look at all the nerd sports shit you could nerd out about together at! You could start a thread for each of your favorite squads and their managers and their legal problems. The world can be yours.

I started a football thread once:

Likely Outcome of taking Amber and Alice to a football match

xp

of all the days for my sarcasm meter to break, eh

No sarcasm darragh. It's like, that's an example of totally arcane shit that dudes could get enthused over that would clutter the hell out of ile new answers. I don't speak baseball, but my guess is they're having a wonderful time over there.

Yeah, RIGHT yr sarcasm meter is broken...

i can't wait to be able to start a thread for each position i need filled in FM2010 tbh

From a practical position, I think it would encourage less directly relevant football chatter to take place away from the main Prem season thread

This is the only reason why I'm not entirely against the concept, but for me it'd have to be a board for the niche stuff only, and keep the main threads on ILE.

I think I just like the nature of the chat that the music/footy/random nexus of ILE has produced, and I fear losing it. Almost every other footy forum is a mixture of the same old jokes, name-calling, bravado and dullness, and why take the chance of going down that road? When we have our own brand here amirite, Sturridge to Chelsea, etc

tbh i couldn't care less about ilm, but i know that it's considered a hugely important part of the site for everyone else.

but given that they co-exist very comfortably (SNA again) i don't think it would be a huge wrench to take soem random crap out of the mammoth threads and spray it out in little nuggets of joy on a nichey nerdy board of irritation that y'know regulars are free to come in and mock without having it ruin their sunday. you could even just choose to have it in yr SNA page and then it's be literally no difference to you.

i can see where it might change the threads on ILE, but tbh probably for the better for most regulars?

the problem with that darragh, is that the fans of those genres probably wouldn't want to leave ILM. Many people just look at 2 (or even one) board(s). It's not like there is an overabundance of metal or hip-hop threads on ILM spoiling it for anyone else.

http://www.bigsoccer.com

enough to make anyone stop posting about football/futbol/soccer/calcio/bootfall

There's threads for just about every band on ILM, but not on ILE for football related stuff. So it just makes sense for a board for niche football stuff, just like with Cricket, but the England threads stay on ILE.

Why, though?

tbh i think this should mainly be a question of whether the football folks want the ability to make more threads about football or stick to the 4 or 5 rolling threads. the latter isn't intrusive at all in ile imo, but if there's suddenly 15-20 threads going instead of 4 or 5 thats when they probably should have their own board.

Football folks *have* the ability to make more threads about football. There's no embargo on it.

Oh, and there are rolling threads for: EPL, English lower leagues, SPL, MLS, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Euro qualification, Champions/Europa League, as well as a few other random ones that get bumped every so often (footballing joy/cliches/commentators/are the lolspurs a big club yet?/general state of English football, etc). Granted some are fairly time-limited, so only roll every so often, but that's quite a lot (and that's just the ones I have bookmarked - I know there's a Chinese football thread and I think an A-league one that no-one ever posts one).

<3'n your screen name darragh

dan, your shit-talk about big soccer is justified, but tell me this isn't awesome

i voted yes, btw. i want a weird stadium thread (inspired by these, and a tifo thread, and a conmebol thread, and and and
i wouldn't start any of those on ILE.

wmc otm re: i love futbol for a name

Yeah, that's pretty cool. I think they should use these old relics as trophies (maybe cure that jabulani for a hundred years or so first), instead of the vulgar things that are in fashion at the moment. Bit like The Ashes, teams could compete for Pele's first boots or a lock of Dixie Dean's hair or something.

Hmm... USA/Sounder fan... that you sam acre? ;) It is pretty cool.

Loving the "I'll give you 20 bucks for it" zing. I hate that site yet I can't look away.

What if we were to combine all the sports-related sub-boards into I Love Sport(s)?

NO

Yeah, I figured that wouldn't be a popular suggestion, but why not exactly?

All sorts of musical subgenres happily coexist on ILM, after all.

morbius banging on about his hatred of nfl for one

(voted 'I don't care' because I really like both ILH's specialization and the broad happy ignorance of the Prem thread but an ILSports full of "it's not even real football" is the worst of all worlds surely)

jaymc - I think my horror is mainly from the fact that I really enjoy the differing characters of the existing sports boards, and it seems inconceivable to me to argue for losing all that character and replacing it an as-yet-undetermined one?

Sturridge to Chelsea

Wait - what?

futbol not a sport to most americans obv

if there were a general USA/CONCACAF thread, I'd put this there

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/20/jurgen-klinsmann-usa-coach

damnit, US Soccer

In three years, after the establishment of the new board, people will look back and go "lol remember when we fought against it?"

nah, we'll look back and say 'nobody uses this fucking thing', most likely.

OK, I know this is going to start something, I'll ask anyway.

Why was Kate banned?

on this thread???

Look in the admin log.

and she was suggest banned, there's no 'why'. we've done all this if you search for suggest ban

that's all i'm gonna get into this one tbh

That's all I wanted to know. ta.

I tend to be on the side of no, for the "other football boards" reason: I think having our football talk in the context of ILE probably serves to stop the football talk from becoming too much like other football discussion boards on the internet, i.e. fairly vile. Now, it's possible that ILX would become the home of the world's greatest and least vile football discussion but I reckon it's more likely that it'll just become like the others.

I think the status quo is OK and I see no reason why it shouldn't continue to be OK. Not perfect but OK.

Even thought the proposal would be to leave the major football threads on ILE as is, Tim?

How does ILM rate vs other 'music discussion sites on the web'?

How does ILE rate vs 'other message boards on the web'?

Considerably less vile, I'd have said in either case. I don't see where it would then follow that a football board would be any more likely to thus degenerate.

i don't know why i'm talking like that. maybe because i get the feeling that Tim is A Serious Poster!

No, no, a hundred times no

xpost

I am totally unbothered by the football threads being on ILE (and believe it or not they are the things I look at most on the whole site). I use the bookmarks, they cause me no pain.

To answer your other questions honestly and without trying to sculpt my answers to support (or contradict) my point:

I barely look at ILM any more, barring the (unproblematically massive) Rolling Country thread and one or two bookmarked items of special interest which show very sporadic action, and I get the impression it's much like other generalist music discussions but with (a) a few l33t posters raising the level and (b) a bit more justified guilt about the fact that it's indie-dominated.

ILE? Seems pleasingly dominated by liberals given it's a general discussion board. It's OK. Still has some of my actual friends on it.

domination by liberals is still domination, but sure that's a different story.....

But my point was that ILX as a site in general seems to do pretty well at avoiding the kind of drift you're getting at.

Just because a few others have made the same point, and initially I'd accepted it as fair enough but after thinking about it in context of this particular set of boards I'm not sure it stands.

hmm if vicki pollard wanted to make that point it would prob read better

I barely look at ILM any more, barring the (unproblematically massive) Rolling Country thread

I read that as "(unproblematically massive) Ross County thread", which caused an uncomfortable moment's cognitive dissonance, and made me wonder if we hadn't gone too far with the football thing after all

I'm not saying I know it'll degenerate, I'm just saying it's a risk I'd prefer not to take since I don't see the status quo as a problem.

fair enough

Missed all this.

fwiw I'm mostly in favour of the idea. If, as many suspect, it dies on its arse like I Love Films then it doesn't really matter as the end result will be things exactly as they are now.

If Events like the World Cup still end up on ILE while things like KERLON or Jimmy Bullard Appreciation get a bit more attention on a separate board I think that's good for everyone.

Board name suggestion to avoid trolling Americans with "real" football - give the sport its actual name: I Love Association Football (ILAF!).

(Surprised at Herman G starting this as I thought he'd stopped posting on the football threads - it's a hard life following Hamilton & Liverpool in 2010)

i hoped a separate board might be more friendlier

Never noticed football threads being especially unfriendly, especially in comparison to a lot of the rest of ILX.

mostly the same people posting about mostly the same subjects but you never know...

xp

SPLers tackling religion/sectarianism and Scousers tackling Liverpool challops/lazy zings gets a bit heated but I don't think there are any lasting beefs.

na i mean chris and ronan get searing hot but we've all had our little football related blowouts, right?

in fact the worst vibes i've ever got is prob ppl getting pretty snotty about thread hijacking. hence, y'know, this thread and the likes.

I never thought the threads are unfriendly, just somewhat impenetrable to non-Britishes w/o careful lurking.

just got a mail denouncing the proposed purchase of huddlestone from a man utd fan who's due to be getting married in about 2 hours.

just in case someone tries to point out that this stuff isn't important.

Don't understand these dudes who get married in-season - July in a non WC/Euros year is the way to go & your wife thinks you're doing it for the good weather.

I'd like a Footie board if only to get barely related stuff about the Arse, or Spurs, or Man U etc from clogging up the rolling thread. It can be tough scrolling through pages of asides to get to the main discussion if you don't care about the latest on Almunia's possible replacement with some dude from the Swiss league or what-have-you.

well, i don't understand the concept tbh, but recognise that it's there.

I could start MLS threads on such a board, right? Cause MLS has gotten a lot better in the past, like 3 years and pretty fun to watch these days IMO and the one thread on it here is dominated by Red Bulls fans...

I could start MLS threads on such a board, right?

Just occurred to me that while the prospect of more threads does have me salivating (Anticipating Liverpool-Sunderland; IFK Gothenburg Appreciation Thread; Rolling In-Ground Catering 2010/11; Goal Of The Month write-in POLL; etc) it would actually be a terrible thing as: (i) I have a real life too; and (ii) I have an unreal life on ILE and elsewhere and I'm not sure I'd have the time to venture back here.

Cause MLS has gotten a lot better in the past, like 3 years and pretty fun to watch these days IMO and the one thread on it here is dominated by Red Bulls fans...

Really? Most of the time I feel like a Fire fan dominates it. :)

But yeah it could be fun to have a thread solely dedicated to the Henry vs. Kevin Hartman kick-a-thon.

Just occurred to me that while the prospect of more threads does have me salivating (Anticipating Liverpool-Sunderland; IFK Gothenburg Appreciation Thread; Rolling In-Ground Catering 2010/11; Goal Of The Month write-in POLL; etc

ha anyone didn't know you could read this as a searing zing to the idea of the board tbh

I'd like a Footie board if only to get barely related stuff about the Arse, or Spurs, or Man U etc from clogging up the rolling thread. It can be tough scrolling through pages of asides to get to the main discussion if you don't care about the latest on Almunia's possible replacement with some dude from the Swiss league or what-have-you.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 17:28 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

eh? what is this "main discussion" you speak of? not sure if this is the game for you son.

I've changed my mind. I had forgotten about Bullard, THUDD, Bellamy, Kerlon threads etc, and the existence of I Love That Daniel Sturridge Has Gone To Chelsea means more of that where I can see it rather than stuff just disappearing into rolling threads, so yay. I'm in. It was the Marlon King thread that changed my mind, btw.

Does the result of this poll matter then, or are we doing a real yes/no one, or can we just have a board and see how it goes?

(and who would be moderating it?)

Sturridge has gone to Chelsea?

course he fucking has cop on

i hate football

^^^ Post mauling good spirits

all lols man. Not like we was robbed!

I can laugh now that plucky Wolves have managed to get their noses in front against the might of 10-man Notts County.

Hahahaha I guess I'll shut my big fucking mouth

sandro looks good so tbh as long as bentley never plays ahead of kranjcar again im alright with this

Assuming the results of this poll have nothing to do with whether there is a new board or not, who will decide?

is it just down to Matt DC?

richard dawkins iirc

Obv. there should be a group-based bracket championship to decide, just like in the GREATEST GAME IN THE WORLD!

I also like the idea of a board because I think it will foster ilx0r fantasy leagues.

The longer this thread goes on, the more I'm coming round to the idea

we're playing the long game here at i love soccer

If this were created the satellite board it would perhaps be like ILB not ILFilm:

ILB = a rolling reading thread with book threads surrounding. Its other effect has been to absorb anything 'headline' bounced from ILE, hence the 'Rolling Contemporary' thread.

An IL Football board would have rolling prem/championship as backbone (with a transfer talk to replace those in summer) and then single thread on a player/club going under etc. I'd look at it but I think football type stuff is so much more visible than books related material that I don't see the point.

An update on a peripheral book thread would be visible for a few days on the main answers page and that encourages the odd response. With football you get any of those and 50 posts can spring up fairly quickly.

IL Football wouldn't have a rolling prem thread, I don't think. That works as it is on ILE and I don't think anyone sees any reason to change that.

I think ILB is something of a special case in that the speed at which people read and discuss books is so much slower than music/film/football. So in the old days a thread on an author would often drop off New Answers and into oblivion pretty quickly, whereas the smaller size and slower pace of ILB made it easier to conduct that kind of longer discussion.

i dunno, i could prob read a book while waiting for bentley to put in an early & accurate cross

I can't see why you'd have an I Love Football but then leave the biggest football thread on ILE. Just seems unnecessary either way. I know why people are arguing for it but either the board will thrive fine without adverts or don't have a board.

poll

anyway- for the same reason you can read about movies on ILE

Because ILF is a barren 3 post a month wasteland?

one fat thread that already exists isn't gonna change that one way or the other imo

Without any kind of rolling thread there is even less of a point. The smaller boards that centre on a topic need that driver behind it.

With ILB its a mixed picture. You can, yes, revive a thread on Gravity's Rainbow months later but much of the time space is taken up with people reading their own thing where by chance you'll get two people who have read the book the other poster is talking about, or something a poster will say about a book gets picked up.

The old ILE 'lets get a thread on an author' thing is not really there anymore.

Although many are doing a book group type thing now (although that has a schedule so it doesn't interfere too much with what everyone else is interested in reading at the mo)

Why I Love Football wouldn't work: it has the same acronym as I Love Film THIS IS A WARNING

dibbs on mod

also whats the marlon king thread and is it worth reading?

i don't know that it's anything like ILB- for the reasons outlined above, such as ppl not all reading passage of the same book at the same time, etc.

there are ten games every week in the english league alone that most people will have an interest in- each one probably generating some comment, and a lot of them generating more comment than the average movie on ilx.

marlon king thread is called 'marlon king' and it is rather short and uncontroversial tbh

ie everyone know's he's a dick and nobody wants him at their club

With films there exists a separation between the art-house/foreign films crowd and the latest weekend fare. Real mass of posters wanting to talk about Inception, so there is no space for a driver thread.

Books on ILX = no mass for any particular thing, this means that you can have a thread with a poster talking about Claude Simon and another talking about Ian McEwan. No huge mass for a blockbuster type book.

Music = a board isn't enough. xxxp

I think whether or not there's a driver thread is pretty irrelevant here.

the drive for the board is coming for a desire for niche threads, i agree with matt

Most people will have an interest in one game but they'll also put in a comment on other games, state of the league etc etc. That sustains a rolling thread, like ILB, where I want to read about what other people are saying about other books I haven't read/things I haven't gotten round to yet.

xp = I'm thinking about what an I Love Football would look like and without a prem/championship thread there I don't actually know what its for. The desire for niche thread comes from having a driver board where a mass gets together in the first place. From what I can see the niche threads get quite a few posts quickly and don't sink on ILE.

xp or regardless of that issue, i think it's irrelevant. have rolling threads on each and let the ILF one die out within the week or w/e

I love football will lok like twenty threads a day on formations, goals, tackles, transfers, rafa out, uncle roy's bedtime stories, grounds, classic teams, classis players, lower league specifics, more threads on european and other leagues, quotes and media storis, and new 'photoshop this picture of...' every week and whatever else ppl feel like.

When we've hived off things like people having children, riding bikes, buying records(!), reading books, etc. I really can't see why this is anything other than a simple mod request.

This whole thing should be

All in favour: Please can we have an I Love Football board?
A Mod: Done.
All against: We will continue to discuss football on ILE (just like people discuss children, bikes, films, records and books).
Everyone: That's your prerogative.
This thread has been locked by an administrator

Is it less straight-forward because one mod who happens to be a football poster doesn't particularly like the idea?

truth to power

Wait, do we have to put the FM threads on I Love Soccer or I Love Games?

Is it less straight-forward because one mod who happens to be a football poster doesn't particularly like hates the idea?

So it seems...

well i tried starting one on ilg but it got ignored for ile, so i guess ilpf

There's an I Love Pitchfork? Figures.

matt's been reasonable! just teasing the idea out before we dive into creatin the board

which will be done, obv

The Marlon King thread is completely unexceptional, I just liked that it was there, rather than in a rolling thread. And I would like more of these things.

seperate board for FM would get more traffic than some existing boards imo, but not lobbying yet.

matt's been reasonable! just teasing the idea out before we dive into creatin the board

Agreed, he has - and as I've said before he and the other sceptics could prove to be right and it will turn out to be another I Love Films - but I think we should suck it and see.

I'm waiting for the result of this poll before making any kind of call btw. A lot depends on the number of people who are against it, if it's a big majority then yeah, if there's only a narrow vote in favour with significant numbers against it I say go with the status quo.

I am assuming that no one who doesn't like football is going to vote No.

last line is pure spin, i can't make head nor tail of it MATT OUT

All the no votes will be from people who love football, obv.

One embarrassing e/t defeat and the Spurs fans turn on each other.

also more talk of qualifying the results of the poll-

the poll is either accepted as a genuine decision making device or not (not, imo)

if it is, results decide

if it isn't, it's a mod decision

Ah come on, seriously? It's a consultation document and nothing else, unless you enforce compulsory voting.

Otherwise there's gonna be a lot of "BAN ___________" polls being shut down.

yeah, grand- i'm with that.

just not sure about the 'i'll allow for so many votes that don't/shouldn't count on the side i disagree with' which i think someone else (nakhchivan?) was playing around with earlier.

thread didn't need a poll anyway imo, the discussion is the value.

true

it's been a great thread whatever the result

ya, savage

just not sure about the 'i'll allow for so many votes that don't/shouldn't count on the side i disagree with' which i think someone else (nakhchivan?) was playing around with earlier.

The point being that if there's a one or two vote majority in favour and a load of people against then it's effectively a draw given that the poll hasn't been particularly well structured. But I'm not setting hard and fast rules on this.

Can't think of many reasons why people who dislike football would vote against a separate board, unless they're nervous about attracting more football fans to ILX, or they are the Lex and see it as a value judgement.

Is it less straight-forward because one mod who happens to be a football poster doesn't particularly like the idea?

― meta the devil you know (onimo), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:26 (33 minutes ago)

mods should be ideological guardians of the borad and not just conduits for the masses imo - props 2 matt for beating back the gobshite barbarians in this holy war

Can't think of many reasons why people who dislike football would vote against a separate board

Maybe some people just vote for anything when they see a poll. Who knows?

Can mods see who voted for what?

i'm not getting hung up on the poll, matt, but:

The point being that if there's a one or two vote majority in favour and a load of people against then it's effectively a draw

!

'a load of people' clearly outnumber 'one or two majority', huh!

think mods shd strike off the votes of lower-tier posters tbrr

xp

No way to see who voted. Maybe we should have included a Nate Dogg option.

In the event of a very narrow win for the Yes crew, maybe they could go into coalition with another board?

lol

rtc- what difference in ur life do you see arising from a proposed board that would hopefully eliminate the kind of thing you spend a lot of your football posts complaining about?

in the event of a very narrow loss for the no crew, maybe there'll be no difference to them?

didnt realise ilf would eliminate cardiff city fc - proceed with my blessing

i personally guarantee it

"I love football will lok like twenty threads a day on formations, goals, tackles, transfers, rafa out, uncle roy's bedtime stories, grounds, classic teams, classis players, lower league specifics, more threads on european and other leagues, quotes and media storis, and new 'photoshop this picture of...' every week and whatever else ppl feel like."

Voted no.

I think I voted "no" but after reading Omnio's post I should have voted yes

Just to make the numerical results more ambiguous.

xp

anticipated that tbh. a manifesto is a blunt object at the best of times, unfortunately. see you on the main thread that will stay exactly the same as it is now, no hard feelings.

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time to get the non-football threads off ILE imo

^^ evidence of a blatant campaign to produce exactly that conclusion

In fairness, there aren't many things in British society that generate more everyday conversation than football.

it's not evidence of anything other than plenty of people saying 'nah go ahead what d'you need a board for?' during this thread, imo

400 posts? start the board ffs, get this shit off ile

We already have a 300 post thread that I linked to upthread saying mostly the same stuff, btw.

must rescreen that one actually.

when the board is started can someone automatically move all suitable boards pls ta

all suitable threads, sorry. it was a ridiculous proposition as was!

This thread has driven others to start/revive football threads.

Just like when ILE went feminism crazy a few weeks ago.

just not sure about the 'i'll allow for so many votes that don't/shouldn't count on the side i disagree with' which i think someone else (nakhchivan?) was playing around with earlier.

does this even mean anything?

just ask the reglas in the main football threads (pl/spl ones probably will do) if they want i love football and repost a running score of who is/isn't in favour

i'm not rly hugely concerned either way but it's a far better way of doing things than this poll since it will be determined by the ppl who wd use a new forum

it'll be determined by a mod/mods after it was requested lots of times more than is the norm.

and in 6 months we'll ask again. it's all a bit of craic sure.

there will be an i love football if ppl want one, so just ask in the naming rights thread

this poll is shit from the inane 'real football' trolling onwards

This is a controversial thread about the architecture of ilx - where the hell is Tuomas?

must rescreen that one actually.

this post (re using ILNFL for new football threads) still cracks me up should there be an I love Football? and has led to me forever thinking of it as Passing Through The Whirlyturn every time I swipe my ticket.

at first i voted 'don't care' but the more this thread goes on and the more i think about, the more i wish i pressed yes. i think i can really come into my own on threads no-one else should be stupid enough to read. (case in point: halloween havoc 96 savage v. hogan (c) )

i don't watch or like football but i seem to like a lot of the posters who do like it so i voted no, i don't like all this splintering.

although ILB is VG and Matt DC does a good job here of explaining why it works re. the pace etc.

I vote we just randomly post about football in whatever happens to be top thread on SNA at that moment

― Allbran Burg (Noodle Vague), Friday, March 26, 2010 3:35 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark

nakhchivan is pretty cranky this week imo

there will be an i love football if ppl want one, so just ask in the naming rights thread

i mean, ya think?

and we love football

just do it, what are you afraid of?

there's obv a case for i love football but until a majority of its hypothetical users vote in favour i can't see how it can happen

i don't understand the push to go and ask in another football thread if we should have a football board?

half of the respondents, and in all probability voters in this poll are ppl who don't give a fuck abt football but wd happily have it shunted off ile

however it can't be said that ile is usually cluttered w/ football threads to the detriment of other users (at least until ppl started bumping them this week)

this sets a shitty precedent where one or two ardent posters can have their 'niche interest' hived off to subforums by relying on a load of other ppl who have no interest in it but want 2% fewer unread threads on their sna

it has to be clear that ppl who like football want a subforum

half of the respondents, and in all probability voters in this poll are ppl who don't give a fuck abt football but wd happily have it shunted off ile

i honestly doubt there are more than two or three of these people!

maybe, but there's no way of knowing

faulty poll options

dmac could have had his subforum already if he'd done it right

fanonist insurgency, fenian ethnocentrism, gandhian 'silent dignity'/passive-aggression....numerous methods

instead he has been altogether too whimsical for his own good, content to dream and play maudlin tunes on his piano, a carrick where a kevin-prince boateng was needed

fanonist insurgency, fenian ethnocentrism, gandhian 'silent dignity'/passive-aggression....numerous methods

all been tried iirc, tbh. haven't o'connell's style, been through parnell on to redmond atm, next stop full-on collins

not bothered any more, last post to thread. we'll see ye on the other side lads. god bless.

see ye on I Love GAA it is, then

sort of 55-45 in favour now

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

http://www.unconditionalconfidence.com/mt/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/Image/nervous.gif

lol!

but seriously it would be a good idea. Just make the board already!

http://www.322variety.com/I_LOVE_FOOTBALL.jpg

pins & needles here

You have already voted in this poll and cannot vote again.

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damn you ILX System!

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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41867000/jpg/_41867646_italianprays416.jpg

http://www.365englandfans.com/images/gareth-southgate_1115392c.jpg

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http://neverfamous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/newcastle-united-fans-at-the-villa-game-55050594.jpg

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/covtelegraph/may2008/9/6/B8FEE7E3-AF45-AA2E-CECF2AC7ED162DAB.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01407/fan_1407716c.jpg

also foresee a bit of:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_04/angry2803_468x414.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/wc2010_07_12/w17_24176147.jpg

http://www.nigerianbestforum.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/35.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/08/article-1179316-04D7A5EC000005DC-498_306x409.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/worldcup_06_25/w30_24046437.jpg

hopefully not
http://www.michaeladams.eu/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ronaldo-crying.jpg

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/267/realkid.jpg

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/jancker%20cry-thumb-250x213.jpg

Inevitable result whatever happens:

http://crabfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/newcastle_1212519c.jpg

Probably some
http://dorukakan.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/keown1.jpg

hahahaha at 'somebody out'! ffs I can't even hate Newcastle any more

That's gold.

it's a shop, dunno who was originally wanted OUT - Ashley maybe? Or Big Sam?

Dennis Wise maybe, anyone will do.

Jimmy Nail

? is this the same one?

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00007/ashley2_516x196_7781a.jpg

Photoshop Cheats Out!

anyway, how can you not vote for this?
http://static.railbirds.com/gallery/2008/06/13912i_love_football.jpg

way to lose us the feminists man

"Sexist pig!"

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01076/paraguay_12_682x40_1076574a.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38107000/jpg/_38107671_disappointed_fan_ap300.jpg

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/_44442580_gazza_evans_baker416.jpg

history mayne boosting the "get this shit off ILE" vote - thx dude

Kiss ILE goodbye

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/10cordenkissll1109_500x497.jpg

love that robinho-van bommel one.

^^^this

also I voted 'yes' in the end because it's been ten years and we might as well shake it up a bit, could be fun, could raise our profile, I could find a nice female Addicks fan, and anyway the core posting repartee won't suffer a jot

JOIN THE REVOLUTION

and anyway the core posting repartee won't suffer a jot

What makes you say this?

We'll still have the same threads, and they'll still be on SNA, and none of the posters will have stupidly gotten themselves banned (he says)

I post on ILM, so I'm saddo music geek, and now I'm to be outed as saddo football geek too?

That utd-referee pic is astonishing - such an amazing mix of beauty and ugliness in that team!

Had forgotten all about scary Jaap Stam.

I only see Will Self

My first thought was Pete Pothlethothle

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/wc2010_07_12/w05_24089121.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/wc2010_07_12/w19_24197953.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/wc2010_07_12/w27_24247859.jpg

I thought of
http://api.ning.com/files/e5wJQIhKv44pzSZuUO2kjAlrpW5x07JltZe9JwEQAvc_/voldemort.jpg

http://www.idrottsforum.org/features/oddner/hairpics/waddle_eng68.jpg

^ HE'S READY

Resist the tyranny of the "just use Site New Answers!" Who Moved My Cheese crew.

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/worldcup_06_25/w16_23975117.jpg

getting ready for this

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/fifa_06_14/f27_23824607.jpg

hope the mods are ready, shit is going to get real if this doesn't go the right way

He's.... uh.... ready

http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/3570350.jpg

Is that Robbie Williams?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_UDIwZAxomYk/S_-Q0dH02iI/AAAAAAAAAn0/K0xQ_1OjyFk/44-gary-neville-01.jpgg

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PWO2112.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_An4j8pnZ7QQ/SJRuu-Wf3vI/AAAAAAAAAjU/WWFn4_FlMGo/s1600-h/Justin+Timberlake.jpg

killin' it

Is that Robbie Williams?

I assume he won that cap under McClaren

we got polls directing our fate, and we're praying it's not too late

Away for the weekend. I await yr response with interest.

wait, what if there's a tie?

what d'you mean 'wait'?

how'm i gonna explain that to my gf?

This isn't an election, it's a coronation

If the thread gets locked now, we'll never get the results. Not that Matt would stoop so low.

prediction: matt dc will overrule this result and be found at jfk with 10kg of heroin taped to his legs in 2016.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

How's the refereeing community taking it?

A closer parallel would be for me to ignore the results of the poll and create I Love Badminton/Aussie Rules/Kabbaddi instead.

And then be found at JFK with 10kg of heroin taped to my legs.

sadly no longer a member of the refereeing community. forgot to mail in cheque for annual "are you a nonce?" background check with oxfordshire fa :-(

anyone who says i conveniently forgot to send the cheque because i am in fact a nonce as of 2010 is lying

nothing left but to get into the heroin trade I guess

I vote yes, I'm not necessarily a soccer fan but if ILNFL has one, I'm certain I Love Football would generate even more traffic.

I'm not one of those who's offended by the posts being on ILE though.

How are you enjoying Liverpool fandom thus far?

http://darrenhardy.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/08/15/bang_head.jpg

the only way is up

I would post to I Love Kabaddi tbh

without taking a breath

if only Morgan Freeman would do a voiceover endorsement for an I Love Soccerball board, everyone couldn't help but vote yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QA0Rln5ruU&feature=player_embedded

Can't wait for the Football Manager 2010 strategy discussion thread on the new board!

should just wait for fm11 tbf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHdYfzfZ9rs

are you kidding? most of the tightwads on ilx are still playing FM2004 or before!

1st thread on I Love Football will probably be about FM2004 tactics.

83 vs 37!!

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

no, 82!

now matt dc tells us he's not doing it anyway

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/wc2010_07_12/w30_24252959.jpg

l-r: matt dc, ilx

HERE WE GO

SAYONARA, I LOVE CARS

suggestions for thread title of sam's rolling wengerball thread?

"If 1 of my posts is directly about Arsenal and is over 4 lines, you are welcome to suggest ban me."

lololol no1 was man enough to do so on that thread.

"Aliadière always scores against us. Props to Wenger for selling him in favour of Robin van Injury."

did jeremie ever find a new club?

here i go to wiki

oooh he doesn't. might start a 'into the void' thread for his ilk on our new borad :)

"come and play for the ILX XI"

loved jeremie's french/cockney accent. frockney?

http://blogs.tampabay.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/11/celebrate2.jpg

what.

http://itc.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/celebration6_2.jpg

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/alumni/Magazine/Winter2007/images/soccer.jpg

http://www.kickoffworld.net/Download/mobile/SensibleSoccer/sensiblesoccer4.JPG

i wish FM2011 was out.

Alright let's do this.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Columnists/Columnists/2009/12/4/1259953278019/Michael-Portillo-and-Step-001.jpg

http://secureimmaturity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/planetofapes.jpg

Tim otm

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Zonaro_GatesofConst.jpg

darraghmac arriving at his hotel this morning

Near 500 years of the Ottoman Empire in Europe led to nothing but good tho

led to more exposure for Colin Kazim-Richards iirc

think darragh went a little overboard getting 130 of his brothers to vote

tenacious separatism

Well it's been nice knowing you guys, it's been fun, maybe see you around sometime?

have a nice life y'all

Are you two off somewhere then?

aw come on Tom you can suss out the SNA magic so you can still see ILE, ILM and I LOVE FOOTBALL: THE NORTHAMPTON TOWN OF ILX: THE NORTHAMPTON TOWN OF ILX!

I only use SNA for Thread Connections Yuks tbh

I don't understand why you wouldn't use it all the time?

I suppose because I don't wanna accidentally end up on some weird board with some bunch of anal geeks, irony or what?

As I said before, I'm already on ILM and that's bad enough

You can set SNA so it only shows the boards you're interested in. Or you can add the football board to your menu at the top right next to where it says ILM and ILE.

Might be a lesson in egg-sucking here but you choose what gets shown in SNA. Go in to preferences and click on 'I Want to Change the Boards Shown on Site New Answers...'. Then uncheck the weirdy boards.

xps

who are the mods? dmac and ismael?

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/customise-board-shortcuts.jsp
and/or
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/CustomiseSiteNewPostsControllerServlet

No thank you! This is Darragh's baby as I recall.

who are the mods? dmac and ismael?

― caek, Friday, 24 September 2010 10:09

It's a tough and thankless job being a referee. You're the only man with the experience to take it on, though you'd need to renew your not a nonce papers.

^ making like he knows what a mod is and does xp

lol nonce papers

i'm thinking ronan and lj for the radge lols

that said xp, having mod privileges purely to correct misspelt thread titles would be sweet

I just look for consistency from mods, that's all I ask for. Have no objections to the use of technology to make their job easier.

Gonna have to clear any board mods with the other sitewide admins I think. Although IIRC Darragh said he was only interested in a posting capacity?

Ismael I think you'd be good fwiw.

me too

Ah, stop buttering me up. Seriously though, what does it entail? I still kid myself that I'm here in a part-time capacity.

Darragh said he'd do it at some point yesterday I think.

I Love Football Opening Ceremony

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